WEBVTT 00:00:02.250 --> 00:00:05.049 You're listening to a podcast of spurious morality. 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.799 Hello and welcome to a podcast of Spurious Morality. 00:01:03.859 --> 00:01:08.719 I'm Johnston and hello Greg. Hello. And we're 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:11.579 going to talk about The Well, which is the latest 00:01:11.579 --> 00:01:14.739 episode of Doctor Who, which seems to be going 00:01:14.739 --> 00:01:17.120 down quite well. I've seen sort of generally 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:21.459 positive things about it across the board and 00:01:21.459 --> 00:01:23.959 quite right too. It was an awful lot of fun. 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:26.780 For my money, I'd say definitely the best of 00:01:26.780 --> 00:01:29.859 this series so far. And it's a strong series 00:01:29.859 --> 00:01:32.700 so far, I think. We seem to be doing quite well. 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:36.599 So let's dive straight in. Greg, talk to us about 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:40.120 The Well. What did you think of it? I agree with 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:43.280 you. It does seem to have gone down quite well. 00:01:44.459 --> 00:01:53.260 I really enjoyed that. Sorry. I really enjoyed 00:01:53.260 --> 00:01:56.920 that episode. As you said, that's my favorite 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:00.840 of the season so far out of the three. It's been 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:08.039 a really good season for me so far. I think there's 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:11.120 a lot going on under the surface with The Well. 00:02:12.539 --> 00:02:16.439 There's a lot of, of course, right off the top, 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:19.509 I mean, it's a sequel to Midnight. But there's 00:02:19.509 --> 00:02:22.009 a lot of other references going on there, too. 00:02:22.169 --> 00:02:25.449 I mean, the pit itself is a pretty clear visual 00:02:25.449 --> 00:02:30.490 reference to the impossible planet, two -parter. 00:02:30.590 --> 00:02:33.810 And then the idea of something being just behind 00:02:33.810 --> 00:02:36.409 you is very similar to turn left. There's something 00:02:36.409 --> 00:02:39.590 on your back. Of course, like I said, it's a 00:02:39.590 --> 00:02:45.289 sequel to Midnight. There's also, it's a clear... 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:50.240 Visual reference to the film Aliens, you know, 00:02:50.259 --> 00:02:52.539 where you've got a squad of what are effectively 00:02:52.539 --> 00:02:56.560 space marines visiting a planet, finding everyone 00:02:56.560 --> 00:03:00.719 there either missing or dead. Someone saying 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:03.960 you should nuke the place from orbit. It's the 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:06.680 only way to be sure. I mean, these are not subtle 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:12.349 references. And I think... That all works. I 00:03:12.349 --> 00:03:16.250 think it's nice to see Doctor Who paying homage 00:03:16.250 --> 00:03:22.729 both to itself and to other big sci -fi productions 00:03:22.729 --> 00:03:26.250 and finally having the budget and the visual 00:03:26.250 --> 00:03:29.930 appeal to get away with that. I think, yeah, 00:03:30.050 --> 00:03:33.590 so right off the top, enjoy the references, enjoy 00:03:33.590 --> 00:03:37.759 the... enjoy the visuals like it's a beautiful 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:40.939 looking episode like i think they did an excellent 00:03:40.939 --> 00:03:43.020 job with those little shots where they showed 00:03:43.020 --> 00:03:47.159 the midnight creature um because you'd never 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:49.520 i know in the behind the scenes thing you'd get 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:51.800 an actual look at it which i haven't seen but 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:55.960 you just get these brief deep in shadow you know 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:59.240 fraction of a second looks and it it really adds 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:03.360 to the the tension in the atmosphere um yeah 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:09.360 so you know i Just to start there, I think there's 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:14.159 a lot going on here. I think it functions well 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:16.560 as a sequel, which I'll get to in a second. I 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:22.519 enjoy seeing Doctor Who with a budget that's 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:28.259 comparable to other sci -fi TV is still impressive 00:04:28.259 --> 00:04:34.790 to me. It's quite interesting how Midnight was 00:04:34.790 --> 00:04:38.689 obviously done as a very budgety episode. Midnight 00:04:38.689 --> 00:04:43.910 was possibly the cheapest New Who episode there's 00:04:43.910 --> 00:04:46.350 been. I don't know that for sure, but it's a 00:04:46.350 --> 00:04:50.050 reasonable guess. And then obviously, like you 00:04:50.050 --> 00:04:52.810 say, this is money on screen. This is big budget. 00:04:52.889 --> 00:04:57.370 This looks absolutely fantastic. So I quite like 00:04:57.370 --> 00:04:59.970 the idea that we've gone back to Midnight, but 00:04:59.970 --> 00:05:04.110 we've got a budget. I also picked up on particularly 00:05:04.110 --> 00:05:07.910 the aliens stuff. Absolutely, when they first 00:05:07.910 --> 00:05:09.569 arrived on the colony and everything, that was 00:05:09.569 --> 00:05:13.589 very, very aliens, which it's a good thing to 00:05:13.589 --> 00:05:17.689 be taking inspiration from. I'm surprised Doctor 00:05:17.689 --> 00:05:23.589 Who hasn't quite done aliens, I should say, in 00:05:23.589 --> 00:05:29.180 particular, so well. before so yeah that was 00:05:29.180 --> 00:05:31.040 good and yeah you're right there are all these 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:33.939 other little references as well and it's it sort 00:05:33.939 --> 00:05:37.240 of is a little bit of a RTD's greatest hits episode 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:41.379 but it works and it all sort of comes together 00:05:41.379 --> 00:05:44.420 quite nicely and you know when you take all of 00:05:44.420 --> 00:05:47.060 the good bits from something that's good you're 00:05:47.060 --> 00:05:49.519 probably going to get something good and that's 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:54.160 exactly what this did so yeah great episode and 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:59.920 it's It's sort of interesting to see how we've 00:05:59.920 --> 00:06:03.980 had three very, very different episodes this 00:06:03.980 --> 00:06:07.279 series as well. I think there's sort of been 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:09.279 quite a big contrast. And, you know, we know 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:13.100 that RTD likes to do the sort of the first three 00:06:13.100 --> 00:06:16.360 episodes should be all very different things 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:18.420 and let you see completely different parts of 00:06:18.420 --> 00:06:20.500 the Hooniverse and all that sort of thing. And 00:06:20.500 --> 00:06:23.220 I think it's probably actually being done more 00:06:23.220 --> 00:06:25.939 effectively here than it was in the last series. 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:30.620 And I think it's sort of rough general consensus 00:06:30.620 --> 00:06:34.339 that we're preferring season two over season 00:06:34.339 --> 00:06:39.639 one so far, which is good. It's good to see. 00:06:39.819 --> 00:06:43.879 Oh, 100%. And you're right. I mean, he has a 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:46.319 very consistent format that he does when he starts 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:49.839 a new season or series or whatever they're calling 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:55.279 it now. There's the first episode, which is set 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:57.860 in the present day, where if there's a new companion, 00:06:57.980 --> 00:07:01.399 we meet the new companion, get a sense of them. 00:07:01.500 --> 00:07:04.120 And then in some order, we have an episode where 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:05.939 we go into the future, and then we have an episode 00:07:05.939 --> 00:07:08.839 where we go into Earth's past. And of course, 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:11.959 we've done that again here. And in this case, 00:07:12.100 --> 00:07:15.000 the episode going into the future is episode 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:18.579 three. But there's another reference there. I 00:07:18.579 --> 00:07:20.980 mean, during the very quick wardrobe sequence, 00:07:21.180 --> 00:07:24.779 they play Toxic, which has to be a callback to 00:07:24.779 --> 00:07:27.000 The End of the World, which was the very first 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.519 space story of the revived series back in 2005. 00:07:31.579 --> 00:07:36.620 So again, this is an episode that very much wears 00:07:36.620 --> 00:07:39.480 its history and its influences on its sleeve, 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:41.860 which I also think is interesting because... 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:46.639 Much like Midnight itself, this is an episode 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:50.779 that the classic series could have attempted 00:07:50.779 --> 00:07:55.100 to do. I mean, there's obviously the appearance 00:07:55.100 --> 00:07:57.720 of it and the budget of it is way in excess of 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:00.100 anything the classic series could have dreamed 00:08:00.100 --> 00:08:03.870 of. Just the simple concept of, you know, having 00:08:03.870 --> 00:08:06.170 a character in a room and you can't have, you 00:08:06.170 --> 00:08:08.509 know, two people on opposite sides of it. I mean, 00:08:08.529 --> 00:08:10.550 that's, you don't need any kind of budget to 00:08:10.550 --> 00:08:14.509 portray that, honestly. So it kind of has that, 00:08:14.589 --> 00:08:19.709 you know, tense horror feeling that, you know, 00:08:19.709 --> 00:08:22.689 that the classic series sometimes shot for. And 00:08:22.689 --> 00:08:25.529 I think because of everything else that, you 00:08:25.529 --> 00:08:28.129 know, Disney can throw at this, it ends up working 00:08:28.129 --> 00:08:35.419 so well. You know, talking about the season as 00:08:35.419 --> 00:08:42.139 a whole, I think, well, first of all, we're continuing 00:08:42.139 --> 00:08:45.679 what we had in the last season, which is like 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:54.480 RTD very much trying to bring high concept ideas 00:08:54.480 --> 00:09:00.539 of, you know, superstition. you know, magic and 00:09:00.539 --> 00:09:04.059 religion in a way, you know, a pantheon of gods 00:09:04.059 --> 00:09:07.460 and kind of, you know, melding that with the 00:09:07.460 --> 00:09:10.320 more traditional science fiction bent of Doctor 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:17.360 Who. And, I mean, obviously you see that in both 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:21.039 the scripting and in the visuals. I mean, Robot 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:25.340 Revolution isn't really, you know, doing the 00:09:25.340 --> 00:09:30.080 fantastic with the sci -fi thing. in the themes 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:32.580 but it is doing it visually because it's very 00:09:32.580 --> 00:09:39.779 much a a 1950s future sci -fi sort of thing um 00:09:39.779 --> 00:09:44.100 compared to the technology doesn't seem nearly 00:09:44.100 --> 00:09:47.460 as advanced as it should basically it's it's 00:09:47.460 --> 00:09:50.720 got that sort of retro feel to it lux of course 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:53.990 is very much just about the difference between 00:09:53.990 --> 00:09:57.029 fiction and reality or if there is a difference 00:09:57.029 --> 00:09:59.970 because of course it very much examines doctor 00:09:59.970 --> 00:10:05.509 who just as a concept as a program and then here 00:10:05.509 --> 00:10:10.789 in the well um we have the you know this this 00:10:10.789 --> 00:10:13.870 midnight creature which has unexplained powers 00:10:13.870 --> 00:10:17.389 unexplained abilities um what essentially seem 00:10:17.389 --> 00:10:20.049 like magical powers and we put it up against 00:10:20.049 --> 00:10:23.220 this very hard sci -fi you know, surrounding 00:10:23.220 --> 00:10:25.600 this hard science fiction frame. And I think 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:28.059 those things kind of, you know, they bounce off 00:10:28.059 --> 00:10:30.580 of each other a little bit. But I think that's 00:10:30.580 --> 00:10:34.519 something that he's been very obviously interested 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:36.980 in exploring for both of these seasons. And it's 00:10:36.980 --> 00:10:39.440 very much evident in all three of these episodes. 00:10:42.139 --> 00:10:45.399 And it's a good thing to explore as well. And 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:50.419 I am particularly enjoying the idea of. the pantheon 00:10:50.419 --> 00:10:52.980 um you know in last week's episode i'd sort of 00:10:52.980 --> 00:10:56.919 talked about how it's it could very easily get 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:00.360 old very quickly um just in terms of oh look 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:02.620 it's another god that the doctor's going to beat 00:11:02.620 --> 00:11:08.659 at the end of 45 minutes uh but it's having now 00:11:08.659 --> 00:11:11.240 had this having had the well which is nothing 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:15.960 to do with the pantheon obviously um it's It 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:17.840 sort of reminded me that, well, actually, no, 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:20.559 we do have this variety and the Doctor is still 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:22.820 going off and doing what he's doing and just 00:11:22.820 --> 00:11:26.500 the Pantheon are kind of interfering on the periphery, 00:11:26.500 --> 00:11:32.500 as is Mrs Flood, who's obviously sort of linked 00:11:32.500 --> 00:11:34.600 to the whole thing in some way, shape or form. 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:40.500 But, yeah, it's good that we're still getting 00:11:40.500 --> 00:11:43.500 episodes like this and it was episodes like this. 00:11:44.409 --> 00:11:47.330 that I was sort of concerned we'd maybe lose 00:11:47.330 --> 00:11:53.549 when we got the shorter episode count. But this 00:11:53.549 --> 00:11:57.549 seems to have restored my faith in eight episode 00:11:57.549 --> 00:12:01.009 series a little bit. Yeah, I mean, I think this 00:12:01.009 --> 00:12:04.490 is very much the, this is the wild blue yonder 00:12:04.490 --> 00:12:09.470 of the 60th specials, right? Where we had very 00:12:09.470 --> 00:12:13.840 traditional, you know, Russell T. Davis. opening 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.759 and very traditional RTD finale but then in the 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:18.940 middle we had this just completely dissimilar 00:12:18.940 --> 00:12:22.840 scary sort of thing and so it's good to see that 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:25.460 he's still interested in going back to that well 00:12:25.460 --> 00:12:29.340 and again there's the pun but yeah I mean it's 00:12:29.340 --> 00:12:30.860 good to see that he's willing to do that because 00:12:30.860 --> 00:12:36.840 you don't want anything in Doctor Who any season 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:41.070 of Doctor Who with exceptions to be you know, 00:12:41.070 --> 00:12:43.909 relentlessly the same style, the same tone, like 00:12:43.909 --> 00:12:47.049 especially with the modern show, like the variety 00:12:47.049 --> 00:12:50.789 within the seasons is one of the most appealing 00:12:50.789 --> 00:12:52.409 things about it. And it's good to see they're 00:12:52.409 --> 00:12:57.789 keeping that up. Yeah, absolutely. So while I've 00:12:57.789 --> 00:12:59.809 got you, because obviously you haven't joined 00:12:59.809 --> 00:13:04.169 us for one of these episodes yet, talk us through 00:13:04.169 --> 00:13:06.610 what you thought of The Robot Revolution and 00:13:06.610 --> 00:13:11.669 looks. So I liked the Robot Revolution. I think 00:13:11.669 --> 00:13:14.169 it's a really good opener. I think Belinda is 00:13:14.169 --> 00:13:18.730 a great companion. You know, I have absolutely 00:13:18.730 --> 00:13:21.470 nothing against Ruby. I just kind of, and even 00:13:21.470 --> 00:13:23.049 though, I mean, she was fleshed out, you know, 00:13:23.049 --> 00:13:25.169 she was given a family and a backstory. Honestly, 00:13:25.370 --> 00:13:28.669 she had more of a backstory than what we've seen 00:13:28.669 --> 00:13:32.990 with Belinda, even through three episodes. But 00:13:32.990 --> 00:13:39.259 it almost felt like she just kind of... Just 00:13:39.259 --> 00:13:42.059 slotted in like, oh, well, this person was pretty 00:13:42.059 --> 00:13:45.200 much born to be a companion. Here she is. Whereas 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:50.679 Belinda's much more, she's reluctant. She's not 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:53.340 sure she wants to be there. She's stuck with 00:13:53.340 --> 00:13:57.759 the doctor. She wants to get home. And I think 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:01.740 she's, you know, she's not, she doesn't view 00:14:01.740 --> 00:14:04.820 all of this as just a great and awesome adventure. 00:14:05.389 --> 00:14:08.269 Constantly, she's taken aback by some of it. 00:14:08.330 --> 00:14:12.490 She's scared. And I think that's a more naturalistic 00:14:12.490 --> 00:14:16.049 reaction. That's part of why I like her so far. 00:14:16.909 --> 00:14:21.110 Robot Love Revolution's fun. I mean, it does 00:14:21.110 --> 00:14:24.429 a lot of the season premiere stuff of shorthanding 00:14:24.429 --> 00:14:30.330 the one character. whose name I forget, ironically 00:14:30.330 --> 00:14:33.389 enough, is killed. And then we see how deeply 00:14:33.389 --> 00:14:35.230 that affects the doctor. You know, we see the 00:14:35.230 --> 00:14:40.450 traditional tear run down his face. That's, you 00:14:40.450 --> 00:14:43.309 know, shorthanding to a new audience, like this 00:14:43.309 --> 00:14:45.809 is how deeply this doctor cares, blah, blah, 00:14:45.850 --> 00:14:47.549 blah. So, you know, it's doing a lot of that 00:14:47.549 --> 00:14:50.230 stuff where it's reintroducing the show again. 00:14:51.230 --> 00:14:55.429 It's got this very, like I said before, future, 00:14:55.690 --> 00:15:01.679 retro future aesthetic. It's the robot voices. 00:15:01.860 --> 00:15:06.460 I am convinced that Nick Briggs is doing an homage 00:15:06.460 --> 00:15:10.519 to Michael Kilgareff, the giant robot voice, 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:14.620 because they sound exactly the same. And yeah, 00:15:14.740 --> 00:15:18.000 I mean, I think it's an enjoyable episode. It's 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:23.340 light on its feet. It sets up the conflict for 00:15:23.340 --> 00:15:25.320 the season. It sets up the new companion. It 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:27.620 really feels like it's laying the groundwork 00:15:27.620 --> 00:15:35.539 in a way that previous RTD openers did not. I 00:15:35.539 --> 00:15:39.440 think one thing we're seeing from him this time 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:43.299 around is a lot more willingness to explicitly 00:15:43.299 --> 00:15:47.779 seed a season -long plot arc, which is not something 00:15:47.779 --> 00:15:51.740 that he did in his... First tenure as showrunner. 00:15:51.980 --> 00:15:55.240 Yes, of course, there was Bad Wolf and there 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:58.399 was Torchwood and there was Mr. Saxon, but literally 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:02.139 those are just words. Whereas here we've established 00:16:02.139 --> 00:16:05.840 the earth has been blown up. We don't know why. 00:16:05.860 --> 00:16:08.940 We don't know what happens on May 24th, 2025. 00:16:10.539 --> 00:16:13.419 We've got a character who explicitly wants to 00:16:13.419 --> 00:16:15.879 get home, but can't. So we've set up these 10. 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.159 And now in the well, we see that. People in the 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:21.159 future don't know what Earth is. So we've set 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:27.059 up these ongoing tensions. And that's not something 00:16:27.059 --> 00:16:30.759 that the show has done before under RTD. So I 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:32.960 wonder if this is, you know, kind of him being 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:37.240 influenced retroactively by Stephen Moffat, Chris 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:40.179 Chibnall, etc. So, yeah, I mean, Robot Revolution, 00:16:40.500 --> 00:16:43.100 good. You know, I don't know, seven out of ten, 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:45.860 probably. Like, you know, good, good, solid opener. 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:53.169 Enjoyed it. And then Lux, I loved. I thought 00:16:53.169 --> 00:16:58.690 it worked really well because A, the setting's 00:16:58.690 --> 00:17:04.430 great. B, it involves the Pantheon in an effective 00:17:04.430 --> 00:17:07.369 and surprising way. I mean, I don't know how 00:17:07.369 --> 00:17:10.769 everyone else felt, but like when his, you know, 00:17:10.769 --> 00:17:12.569 the don't make me laugh, don't make me laugh. 00:17:12.690 --> 00:17:15.009 And then when he finally laughs, it's the giggle. 00:17:15.029 --> 00:17:18.849 I did not see that coming at all. That was shocking 00:17:18.849 --> 00:17:24.269 to me. And I love the way that it ends. I love 00:17:24.269 --> 00:17:31.509 like this God becoming even more of a, I don't 00:17:31.509 --> 00:17:33.289 know how you describe it, more of a true God, 00:17:33.410 --> 00:17:35.710 I suppose, like actually becoming one with the 00:17:35.710 --> 00:17:37.990 universe and all of its light and I am everything 00:17:37.990 --> 00:17:41.670 and I am nothing. That's a beautiful and haunting 00:17:41.670 --> 00:17:45.259 ending for the... for the character. I thought 00:17:45.259 --> 00:17:47.859 the animation was spectacular. I thought the 00:17:47.859 --> 00:17:50.119 visuals were as good as anything we've ever seen 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:54.000 in Doctor Who. Alan Cumming was fantastic doing 00:17:54.000 --> 00:18:00.000 the voice. Yeah, I mean, it's a very strong episode. 00:18:01.299 --> 00:18:07.559 And I think it's not... What I've also liked 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:09.160 about this season, too, and we'll get to this 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:12.650 in a second, but I think there's been a... great 00:18:12.650 --> 00:18:16.369 deal of social commentary going on which i which 00:18:16.369 --> 00:18:23.410 i'm very interested in as well yeah it's um i 00:18:23.410 --> 00:18:25.210 actually think it's doing a far better job of 00:18:25.210 --> 00:18:29.009 handling that than the last season did it's it's 00:18:29.009 --> 00:18:32.470 slightly less on the nose i'm all for social 00:18:32.470 --> 00:18:35.130 commentary there should be more of it in fact 00:18:35.130 --> 00:18:40.259 but it perhaps doesn't always need to be as heavy 00:18:40.259 --> 00:18:43.140 -handed as it has been at some points. I get 00:18:43.140 --> 00:18:44.839 the need for heavy -hand with that kind of thing, 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:47.880 but there's also room for subtlety, and I think 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:51.240 we're handling that quite well in this series. 00:18:51.819 --> 00:18:54.440 Yeah, I mean, Robot Revolution gets a little 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:56.500 bit on the nose with the Planet of the Incels 00:18:56.500 --> 00:19:02.779 line, but that's fine. We can mock those individuals 00:19:02.779 --> 00:19:06.359 to their face. It doesn't bother me. But, you 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:11.599 know... Lux is, it shows, I mean, it doesn't 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:14.500 shy away from the racism of being in Florida 00:19:14.500 --> 00:19:20.279 in the 1950s at all. But it doesn't do it in 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:22.940 a way that's, you know, over the top or that 00:19:22.940 --> 00:19:25.619 overshadows, you know, the actual story that's 00:19:25.619 --> 00:19:28.819 going on, which, you know, I think that's really 00:19:28.819 --> 00:19:32.079 the, you know, the line you have to be careful 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:34.359 with is like, if the story is going to be about... 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:38.380 you know, some sort of social commentary that, 00:19:38.420 --> 00:19:40.720 yeah, make it as overt and talk about it as much 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:43.039 as you want. But if the story in this case is 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:46.140 about, you know, the doctor and Belinda encountering 00:19:46.140 --> 00:19:48.960 one of the pantheon, you know, in an abandoned 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:52.960 movie theater, then you can absolutely have the 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:55.079 social elements there, but they shouldn't take 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:59.400 over the story and they don't. But, you know, 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:04.269 RTD makes an obvious effort to. you know, give 00:20:04.269 --> 00:20:07.329 them the spotlight from time to time. And I think 00:20:07.329 --> 00:20:09.930 that's the best and the smartest way to go about 00:20:09.930 --> 00:20:14.289 it. And honestly, the well, I think, has a lot 00:20:14.289 --> 00:20:18.769 of that going on. It doesn't, and it's the most 00:20:18.769 --> 00:20:21.690 subtle out of all of it. But, you know, I think 00:20:21.690 --> 00:20:26.130 the fact that we know he changed the, you know, 00:20:26.130 --> 00:20:30.230 Alice from being a hearing person to a deaf person. 00:20:31.950 --> 00:20:35.049 yes that you know changes the the tension of 00:20:35.049 --> 00:20:37.910 the scene it changes how it's filmed but it also 00:20:37.910 --> 00:20:43.170 makes it also in in making her a person with 00:20:43.170 --> 00:20:47.890 a disability it um it makes the stuff about don't 00:20:47.890 --> 00:20:52.089 turn your back on me more poignant right i mean 00:20:52.089 --> 00:20:55.269 it's Now we're not just talking about, you know, 00:20:55.269 --> 00:20:58.130 turning your back on just a person, which is 00:20:58.130 --> 00:21:00.250 bad enough. We're talking about turning your 00:21:00.250 --> 00:21:02.609 back on, you know, a member of a more vulnerable 00:21:02.609 --> 00:21:06.369 community. And, you know, that's the kind of 00:21:06.369 --> 00:21:10.930 thing that the doctor would never do. So, you 00:21:10.930 --> 00:21:14.890 know, I think that makes the episode a lot more 00:21:14.890 --> 00:21:20.349 effective in that way. And I think, you know, 00:21:20.349 --> 00:21:25.180 a... Victim character in Doctor Who just begging, 00:21:25.259 --> 00:21:28.440 please don't turn your back on me is more emblematic 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:31.519 of the series morality as a whole. So I thought 00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:38.799 the well was incredibly well done. And probably 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:42.880 it's that or Dot and Bubble for my favorite RTD2 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:48.660 episode. Yeah, it's definitely a contender for 00:21:48.660 --> 00:21:51.400 the strongest we've had in the last few years. 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:57.619 It was an excellent episode. Any last thoughts, 00:21:57.779 --> 00:22:02.539 anything you want to add before you escape? Not 00:22:02.539 --> 00:22:05.440 really. I mean, I think I'm very interested to 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:09.119 see where this goes because we've got Mrs. Flood 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:11.579 back. We've had her appear in a few episodes 00:22:11.579 --> 00:22:16.119 now, all of the episodes. And so we know that 00:22:16.119 --> 00:22:19.400 some of the stuff from the previous season still 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:25.150 has to be picked up on. I think some of the complaints 00:22:25.150 --> 00:22:27.569 that we heard about the previous season were 00:22:27.569 --> 00:22:29.509 in the vein of like, well, we introduced all 00:22:29.509 --> 00:22:32.150 this stuff and we didn't resolve it, but I'm 00:22:32.150 --> 00:22:35.950 curious to see how much is still out there to 00:22:35.950 --> 00:22:40.250 be resolved. And in addition to seeing, you know, 00:22:40.269 --> 00:22:42.130 what each of the individual episodes is going 00:22:42.130 --> 00:22:45.809 to be, I'm very interested in both the seasons 00:22:45.809 --> 00:22:48.650 arc and what could potentially be the two season 00:22:48.650 --> 00:22:50.789 arc as well. So very much looking forward to 00:22:50.789 --> 00:22:55.990 it. Yeah, it's certainly interesting to see where 00:22:55.990 --> 00:23:00.589 it's all going. And yeah, it's ticking along 00:23:00.589 --> 00:23:03.390 nicely. It's got me interested. It's got me hooked. 00:23:03.529 --> 00:23:06.710 So yeah, excellent stuff. Well, thanks very much 00:23:06.710 --> 00:23:10.450 for joining me, Greg. And we'll have you back 00:23:10.450 --> 00:23:14.470 on soon. Hopefully so. We'll see you in the future. 00:23:15.529 --> 00:23:16.569 Brilliant. Thank you.