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You're listening to a podcast of spurious morality.

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You're listening to a podcast of spurious morality.

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Hello and welcome to a podcast of spurious morality.

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I'm Johnstone and with me I have Connor.

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Hello.

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And we're here on this, this February evening in the Spodcast Coffee Bar.

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We've not been here for a while, there's a few cobwebs.

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The Cyberman that was working here last time seems to have cleared off.

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So we've had to make our own coffee, but it's still here.

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Oh, you're on tea as well.

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I am on tea.

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You're not on coffee.

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Yeah.

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I'm actually on hot vimto at the minute.

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I seem to be going through a bit of a hot vimto phase.

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There's a bar, it's sort of a shop, record shopping cafe in the day and a bar in the

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evening that I DJ in sometimes and they do hot vimto.

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And I just went in and saw hot vimto, yeah, really fancy that.

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I had that one day.

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You have taken a notion for it.

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Yeah.

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And I've kind of, I've run with the concept.

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So maybe we need to be called the Spodcast Vimto Bar.

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And as you know, I'm roughly Manchester based, the home of vimto.

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I'm happy with that.

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For Northern Ireland, it's probably Buckfast and the less said about that, the better.

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The Spodcast Buckfast Bar.

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No, we're not going there.

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No, we're never recording that.

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No, no, that would not end well.

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I would say what I really think about Doctor Who.

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There was once, I think it was back when we did the Caves of Andrazani commentary, which

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we did across sort of two episodes in our second Spodcast season.

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At the end of it, a few of us did sort of suggest, right, let's get onto Twin Dilemma,

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but we've got to down a bottle of whiskey each first.

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And that could perhaps be the greatest recorded thing ever linked to Doctor Who ever.

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I think it might be the last thing we ever record.

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It could be, yeah.

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It's like if we ever decide to cancel Spodcast, if we ever spod our last cast, I reckon that's

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how we go out.

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Just like a big, horrible, slurry Twin Dilemma mess.

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And we'll be talking about it while drunk.

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My imagination is running wild.

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And yeah, I don't think that's a thing the world needs to hear.

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I mean, I don't think the Twin Dilemma is a thing the world needs to see, but it has

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been present with us for 40 years now.

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I don't know if you're one of those people who ever watches reaction videos on YouTube,

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but I very occasionally check in on Seska says, because she's working her way through

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classic Doctor Who and her reactions are incredible.

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Because she's going into this almost completely blind.

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She's seen the new series, but she doesn't know what's coming when.

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So it's quite special whenever Sarah Jane Smith turns up and she loses her mind.

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But she recently got to the caves of Andrazani and had no idea that it was Peter Davison's

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last story.

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And you get to that final scene and she only realizes that a regeneration is coming when

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the doctor gives Perry the milk, you know, the bat's milk.

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And she realizes once he looks at the empty file, she's like, oh no, it's the end for

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him and it's going to be, there's going to be a regeneration.

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So I've watched that and it's genuinely, it's an incredible reaction video.

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It's astounding to see someone watching that moment play out in real time.

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And then I got suggested video, Twin Dilemma, part one, part two reaction.

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And I just thought, no, I'm not going to spoil, I'm not going to spoil this lovely moment

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by watching the reaction to the Twin Dilemma.

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It's a bizarre sort of jolting quality, isn't it?

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Like we do go from pretty much the best Doctor Who story ever to pretty much the worst Doctor

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Who story ever.

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Kind of needlessly, as I like, you don't need, a new doctor is a good place to leave

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a series.

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You don't need to see the doctor's first adventure straight after, you know, a week

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after the old one has shuffled off.

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You know, I still find it bizarre that the Twin Dilemma is part of season 21.

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It feels wrong.

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I quite like it.

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I can sort of, I like it as an idea.

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I like it as here's a little bit more of a tease of the new doctor, but you've got to

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make the new doctor sort of watchable if you're doing that.

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And like he strangles the companion and that's not really the sort of thing that says tune

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back in in six months, kids.

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I mean, I mean, that scene is not the only problem with that story.

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It's probably the biggest problem with that story, but it's not the only problem with

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And I just sort of think that it's actually a really good idea, particularly like when

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it was made and that kind of thing.

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I do like that and I do think it can work.

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It's something I kind of wish that the new series had done on occasion.

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It's a shame, you know, maybe we could have got Eccleston back just for the first half

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of series two or something.

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I mean, I know it's not that simple, but you know, a regeneration at about the time of

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the Cyberman two-parter in series two, that could have been interesting because I'm sick

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and tired of meeting new doctors at Christmas.

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That's all we've ever done with new who?

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And I don't want that.

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So yeah, it's very odd.

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So yeah, I think the idea was sound.

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regulars than it starts.

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doctor and Perry.

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And Perry kind of turns up basically to make friends with the fifth doctor and then watch

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him die.

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Yeah, there's some kind of dramatic stuff that can be found in that, I guess.

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in Twin Dilemma.

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If it was me, I'd have kept Turlo on.

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I'd have had Turlo just see out the regeneration.

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He could have gone two or three stories in.

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He could have stayed on Varos to be the new governor or something like that.

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I don't know.

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But just a little bit of regeneration continuity could have helped, I think.

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not being handled particularly well.

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And that's what makes A, Twin Dilemma bad and B, it a really, really bad end to actually

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a very, very good series of Doctor Who.

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Yeah, I don't think there's anything could improve the Twin Dilemma.

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To be honest with you, I don't.

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I think I would much rather pick up with I wonder how easy it is to do.

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I wonder how easy it is.

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Can you cut the Twin Dilemma out and just skip straight ahead and start with Attack

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of the Cybermen?

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Because there's references in Attack of the Cybermen about how he's struggled a bit since

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his regeneration, but he's starting to settle down now.

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Isn't the...

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I can't remember exactly what it was now, but there is sort of a, oh, you know, ever

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since your regeneration, this has happened, this has happened, and this has happened.

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I don't like kicking the sex doctor at all because Colin Baker is a wonderful doctor

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and I cannot fault Colin Baker one bit.

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I think the sex doctor is wonderful now.

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I don't think the doctor is the problem with the Twin Dilemma at all.

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I think the way the doctor is presented is I think there are production decisions there

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that kind of really, really go against him.

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The sex doctor's brilliant.

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He just comes across as a really lovely man.

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We love Colin.

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I just wish Twin Dilemma wasn't his first story.

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I just wish Twin Dilemma wasn't a story.

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Yes.

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But yeah, it's just, it's so jarring.

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See, this is what I'm saying.

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I have actually seen the Twin Dilemma and I haven't seen all of Colin Baker's other

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stories.

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I'm pretty sure.

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So I don't know why I've seen the Twin Dilemma.

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Like why did I actively choose to watch that story?

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Because it's the exciting follow up to The Caves of Ambrose Arnie.

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That genuinely might have been the reason.

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I think I did a big fifth Doctor Marathon a couple of years ago.

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He did all of his TV stories and worked in a couple of big finish stories as well.

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And it's one of the best things I've ever done in terms of Doctor Who.

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I had such good fun with that.

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That was fantastic.

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I think I did The Keeper of Tracking and Legopolis as a little prologue.

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And I think I did the Twin Dilemma as a coda to the whole run.

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And that's why I've seen it.

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I do think I did it because it was following up on Caves of Ambrose Arnie.

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And I wish I had just ended with Caves of Ambrose Arnie.

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I suppose the thing that we can take comfort in is that The Sixth Doctor's never ever that

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bad again.

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Like Timelash comes really close.

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But it tries to be as bad as Twin Dilemma, but it doesn't quite get there.

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But yeah, it's unfortunate that it's his first story and that it follows Caves of Ambrose

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Arnie and all these other things.

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And unfortunately, I agree with you.

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I think it is irredeemable, the story itself.

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So we've started off our coffee bar episode by talking about the worst Doctor Who story.

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Or one of them.

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One of them anyway.

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Is there anything that you think is worse?

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We're always so positive and happy and isn't everything brilliant on this podcast?

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We never talk about the rubbish.

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Is there anything you think is worse than the Twin Dilemma?

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I'm having to think really hard about that.

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I'm not keen on...

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Actually, do you know what I saw recently?

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And I actively, I was really annoyed by it.

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I watched Delta and the Bannermen for the first time recently.

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And Doctor Who in the 1980s deserved every single thing I got.

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That was dreadful.

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Oh, I like it.

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See, this is the thing.

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Everyone seems to like it.

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And I'm watching it.

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I'm seeing all those people in their silly costumes getting off the silly bus.

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And I'm just looking at this thinking, my god, Michael Gray was right.

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Doctor Who absolutely deserved to be buried in some vault somewhere and never seen again.

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I wouldn't stick it on and show it to somebody who's not a fan.

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Like I'd never put it on in front of somebody and go, watch this, it's bloody brilliant.

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It has its flaws.

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It wears those flaws on its sleeve.

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But I think it's exactly the production it was intended to be.

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And that's the problem.

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That's the problem.

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The problem is that Delta and the Bannermen, one, got made.

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Two, got made as intended.

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time.

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It's just completely...

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It's complete and utter dross.

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What I can't get my head around is two stories later, it's Remembrance of the Daleks, which

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is one of the best Doctor Who stories ever made.

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How do you just yo-yo in terms of quality?

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It is such absolute whiplash.

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The next year they're doing Remembrance of the Daleks.

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The year after that they're doing Battlefield and Survival.

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That is proper top drawer, Doctor Who.

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It looks pretty dreadful.

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The budget's not there.

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And I think that was the big problem, was that Doctor Who looked as bad as it did.

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Because if you go and look at a lot of other TV that was being made at the time, it doesn't

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look that rubbish.

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And Doctor Who did, quite frankly.

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I know that's part of the charm of it.

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And I know it's cheap of me or shallow of me to say, oh, it looks a bit rubbish and

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the sets are wobbly and all that sort of thing.

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But it wasn't keeping up with the rest of the TV industry.

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But I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I think I would not say Doctor Who deserved what it got in the late 1980s if they had

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skipped season 24 and just gone straight into the whole tone and atmosphere of season 25

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and 26.

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But the problem is season 24 exists and Delta and the Bannermen exists.

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And to some extent Paradise Towers exists.

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I was about to say at the very least, we've got Paradise Towers.

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Oh no, disagreement.

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I really like Paradise Towers.

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I do like Paradise Towers up until the last episode.

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I do not like the chief caretaker and it drags the story down for me.

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I believe this may be wrong.

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I may be about to malign this poor man in the wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

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Was that, am I right in saying that was deliberate sabotage on his part because he thought it

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was a bit rubbish and couldn't be bothered acting well?

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I don't know.

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What I do know is that Richard Browse was a fantastic actor.

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I mean, he blew me away when he did Torchwood.

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Yes.

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But Paradise Towers.

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Yeah.

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I mean, he blew me away, but yeah, not good.

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I don't know.

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It did feel like he was sending the whole thing up a bit.

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It's funny because I'm watching at the moment, I'm watching the season 18 box set.

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Some of the best Doctor Who ever made.

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Well yeah, in my opinion, the best Doctor Who ever made.

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I mean, this will probably go out long before it does, but we're going to record season

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by season 18 over the next week or two.

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So I'm kind of doing the homework for that.

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And I'm watching all of the extras on the Blu-ray discs and stuff.

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And something that pops up in just about every single one of the making of documentaries,

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usually mentioned by Lala Ward actually, is the best actors in Doctor Who came in and

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took it seriously.

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They didn't send it up.

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They might have gone, oh, the effects are a bit rubbish and it's a bit camp and the

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script's not a main blah, blah, blah.

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But they threw everything at it and still gave an amazing performance when there was

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the potential to go a bit silly.

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I think the example in point might have been a state of decay when, you know, it would

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have been very easy for the three vampires to just completely camp it up.

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And it is very camp.

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It's a very camp performance, but they're taking it seriously.

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They are taking the scripts.

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They are going, the script is asking me to do exactly this.

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And that's exactly what they're doing.

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We need look no further than Nicholas Parsons in The Curse of Fenrick.

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Yes.

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Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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That's, I mean, that's got to be up there with one of the best performances in Doctor

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Who and not necessarily somebody you would have expected such a brilliant performance

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from.

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However, when we did season by season 17, which I still don't actually think will be

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out when this is so spoilers for future podcast episodes, we point out that in The Horns of

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Nightmont, Graham Crowden is doing exactly the right thing.

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It's a really, really over the top and slightly silly performance, but that's what the script's

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asking for.

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That's what Douglas Adams wanted.

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That's what Graham Williams wanted.

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He involved, wanted a silly over the top camp performance and everybody is on the same page

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with The Horns of Nightmont.

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Everyone's doing exactly the same thing.

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And therefore, same with Delta and the Bannermen, it's exactly what the production is meant

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to be.

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It's what's intended.

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It's not someone going off piste as I suspect Paradise Towers was.

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Yes.

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What's the modern equivalent to that?

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It was the guy out of The Power of Three and they had to like recut the whole episode around.

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Oh, Stephen Berkoff.

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Yes, yes.

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Yeah.

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It feels like the modern era is equivalent to Paradise Towers in that sort of situation

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where the actor just doesn't take the role seriously.

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And again, maybe this is slander, maybe there were very valid reasons, but I believe that

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whole ending was reshot to remove most of that performance in The Power of Three.

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And I think you can pretty clearly see that in some of the continuity on screen.

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It definitely comes across as a bit chopped together with what they could, which is a

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shame.

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I like Power of Three.

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It's a good story.

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It's a good story.

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It's a good story.

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I know.

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I always liked it.

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I thought I like it's a change of pace and it's quite a good little story about that,

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you know, that slow invasion thing with the cubes invading over the course of the year

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just by becoming normal parts of our lives.

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It's a good story.

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It's a great idea.

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And as you say, it just it all falls apart in the last couple of minutes, I think through

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no fault of the writers or production team.

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Which is a shame because it's Amy and Rory's last big hurrah really, isn't it?

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I mean, I know we've got their actual departure story one week later, but in the angels story,

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they're very much like thrown into a series of events that ultimately dictate they can

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no longer travel with the Doctor.

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There's no nice bit before it.

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The story starts and then boom, that's it.

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It's just misery and grimness and bye bye Amy and Rory.

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The Power of Three is the proper goodbye.

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I think the very last thing that Karen Gillan and Arthur Darfell filmed was the last shot

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of the Power of Three with a walk into the Tardis with the Doctor.

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Perfect.

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I think that was the very last thing they did on Doctor Who.

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I do wish we'd have got that scene at the end of Power of Three.

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I think it was, was it released as like a rough animation or an audio recording or something

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like reading even, which was somebody knocking on Rory's dad's door and sort of delivering

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a letter like Back to the Future style.

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Yes.

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What was that called?

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Postscript?

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Yes.

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I think.

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I wish that had actually been part of that episode.

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Yes.

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I think that would have been quite nice.

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Like it had given Brian closure even if not the Doctor because the Doctor needs to go

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and do the snowmen and sort of find his purpose in that.

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But yeah, Brian deserved closure.

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Of course he did.

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I was just gonna say they don't really do that sort of supplemental material now anymore.

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I know that was the case and that being written and filmed and then the animatic was done.

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But like when you used to get around that time, there were many episodes.

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Like what was that?

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Remember the run up to Asylum of the Daleks that did that Keeping Up with the Pawns thing?

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Yeah, when they ended up having the Ood live with the Ood.

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Yeah.

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All that kind.

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Yeah.

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I don't remember that anymore and that's quite nice.

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I like those little add-ons for Doctor Who.

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Please, Cavalli's Doctor got prequels, didn't he?

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There were a couple of prequels to Which is Familiar, if I remember correctly.

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Yeah, that was around the time of season nine.

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There was the one with the Sisterhood of Karn and I lost my proverbial as a Doctor fan seeing

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Ohila come back.

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There was the other one where it was like the Doctor's Day in medieval England and he

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was teaching the guy how to play guitar, that sort of thing.

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And it turned out the guy was a Dalek agent.

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Yeah, that was right, I forgot about that.

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Was that in the episodes?

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That was in the episode itself, but it was the same guy.

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Yeah, I miss those little fun add-ons.

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Do you remember the Tardysodes from series two?

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Yes.

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In the era of YouTube and social media, why is that not a thing?

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We can wake out.

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I may be completely misremembering this, but I think Tardysodes were essentially a...

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Well, we've started to be able to watch short videos on our phones now, so here's a short

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video each week that you can now watch on your mobile phone.

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You had to text a special number, didn't you?

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Yeah, something like that.

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They sent the file back and I tried and couldn't get it to work and I think I might have cost

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my mum and dad a fortune on the phone bill.

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I just used to watch them on the website, but it was a bit of an event.

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I can't remember when they were released now.

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Was it like the Thursday or something like that?

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I think they had a very specific release time.

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And I'd remember going...

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I don't know when I've been in, what about 12, 13, 13?

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13 at the time.

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I remember going on the website specifically to go and find this week's Tardysode before

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the new one started.

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And some of them were quite interesting.

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This is something that every story should have, like a little prequel, sequel, something

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that happens during...

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And I know there are anthologies about this and I know that big finishers created entire

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ranges out of this sort of idea, but they were good.

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They were really sort of just interesting little teasers, which...

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Yeah, you're right.

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We don't get any of that anymore at all.

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I'm pretty sure this got mentioned either in this month's Doctor Who magazine or last

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month's where Russell T Davies was talking about...

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Do you remember the old trailers they used to do, like the Ninth Doctor, do you want

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to come with me?

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That they're not footage edited together.

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They're specially shot trailers.

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Like the Doctor and Martha.

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Do you remember the trailer where it was like it was half his face and half hers?

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And she was saying like, oh, I'm a doctor and he's, oh, I'm the doctor, that sort of

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thing.

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And Donna's sitting around the campfire like, don't do those anymore.

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And Russell has said, I think Russell said in Doctor Who magazine, he would look into

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bringing them back, which would be nice because I always thought those were great.

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I still go back and watch the trip of a lifetime trailer a lot.

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Oh, that trailer was fantastic.

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It couldn't have been more perfect.

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You imagine.

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Absolutely got it right.

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Can you imagine, right, not knowing Doctor Who was coming back?

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Because I feel like that might have been possible back in 2003, 2004 to miss, you know, if you

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weren't, if you're maybe a hermit or something, you wouldn't know Doctor Who was coming back.

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The internet wasn't, social media wasn't a big thing.

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I know it was in the papers and on the telly and Doctor Who magazine was falling through

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people's doors.

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You know, when that was how people found out that Doctor Who was coming back, Christopher

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Eccleston is the new doctor.

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But I like to imagine that someone sat down on Christmas Day 2004, whenever it was, that

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trailer went out, not knowing Doctor Who was coming back.

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And it starts off Christopher Eccleston, do you want to come with me?

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And the TARDIS sound starts playing.

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I think you would lose your mind.

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Yeah, just sort of.

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Yeah, imagine that had been your first sort of hint that I mean, Doctor Who was always

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coming back.

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And then the scene starts playing and it cuts around the new TARDIS console and oh my god,

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it's Doctor Who.

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Doctor Who was always coming back.

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I remembered it used to pop up in the news, you know, whether it was just a newspaper

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floating something out or something, I don't know.

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But every few weeks there was a new oh, this person's going to be the doctor when it comes

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back.

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I'm fairly sure I remember, I mean, we must be talking late 90s, maybe early noughties.

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I remember Ken Dodd actually being interviewed on BBC News about being linked with the role.

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I swear I am not making this up.

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I need to float this on Gallifrey base or something like someone please confirm for

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me that this is a real thing.

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I am sure I remember Ken Dodd with his feather duster making a point about how he would incorporate

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the feather duster as part of his doctor's character.

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When Doctor Who came back and he was the doctor and I'm sure it was BBC News.

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Oh man.

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So I'd actually heard about Doctor Who's coming back and it's Christopher Ecclestone

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and it's Billy Piper and I was like, oh yeah, here we go again.

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It's Ken Dodd and his feather duster again.

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And then I saw the Do You Want To Come With Me trailer and that was kind of the moment

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where I went, oh my God, it's real.

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It's happening.

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Because up until that point, every actor on the planet was associated with the role.

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It just seemed like a, I think collectively as a nation, we just accepted that Doctor

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Who was coming back at some point and literally anybody could play the doctor.

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And I think literally everybody was considered to play the doctor by the newspapers if nowhere

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else.

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I always love seeing the list of names that were thrown about whenever they were doing

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the TV movie.

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Oh yeah.

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Like Ecclestone and Capaldi were on that list.

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Hugh Grant and Richard E. Grant were on that list.

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I think casting the doctor is really difficult.

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I think you see a name like Hugh Grant and you can see what his doctor would be like

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and it's not right.

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I think even Richard E. Grant, I don't know, I think he could probably do it better or

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he could have done it better then.

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I don't know if he could do it now, if that makes sense.

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I wouldn't mind seeing him.

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I don't know.

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I've come around, I was a bit scaling about this when Rogue went out and put his face

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in the lineup.

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I actually think it would be quite cool to see him come in and play the doctor on screen

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now.

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I'd certainly take a big finish.

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I think I want to see it on screen because there's so much, yes, he has a fantastic voice,

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but I think you want to see his profile as the doctor on screen.

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I think that would be the ideal.

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I would be up for seeing a Richard E. Grant doctor in a special guest role.

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I don't want a series, but I think it would be quite cool to do like that guy from the

480
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:48,680
animation is here on screen.

481
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,040
Big finish must have talked about it at some point.

482
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,920
They must have gone, well, we've got Derek Jacoby as the master anyway.

483
00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:01,920
Is there any way we can do a retcon and just sort of do a Schalke continuation series?

484
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:02,920
I'd be fine with that.

485
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:03,920
I'd be all over that.

486
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,920
That would be a lot of fun.

487
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:13,000
I almost think you're better casting an unknown as the doctor or someone who's on the up

488
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:21,480
and coming list rather than a big established name because you see how well it's worked

489
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,280
for the likes of Superman over the years.

490
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,080
I'm again, maybe maybe I'm wrong.

491
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:32,840
I have never heard of David Corrin's wet before he was cast as Superman.

492
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,640
I don't think anyone had heard of Christopher Reeve before he was cast as Superman.

493
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:43,680
I think casting an unknown in this sort of situation does help with defining them as

494
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,360
the doctor rather than, oh, that's Hugh Grant and he's playing at being the doctor, that

495
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:49,360
sort of thing.

496
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,680
Yeah, it's a bit strange.

497
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,680
I don't know.

498
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,160
I like seeing big names thrown about as potential doctor who's.

499
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:04,520
And the other thing is a big name probably wouldn't want to stick around and do three

500
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:11,880
series over four years or whatever the average is now.

501
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,800
I think they got David Tennant at just the right time, didn't they?

502
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:16,800
Oh yes.

503
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:22,320
In terms of David Tennant's career, they got David Tennant at exactly the right moment

504
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,400
like he'd done.

505
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,720
He'd done some bits and bobs.

506
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,080
He had done Casanova and I'm pretty sure he'd done Blackpool as well.

507
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,080
Done Casanova.

508
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,080
I think he'd done Blackpool.

509
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,080
Yeah.

510
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,360
Am I right in thinking Harry Potter was before Doctor Who?

511
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:43,040
It was the year before it was 2004, 2006.

512
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,200
He had just filmed it.

513
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,040
I think it was he had just filmed it before he went to do Doctor Who.

514
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,440
Yeah, that sounds about right.

515
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,120
So he was definitely, I mean it wasn't a massive role, but he was definitely on the up.

516
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:59,720
He was becoming established as one of those go to British actors.

517
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,480
Yes.

518
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,680
And then I mean I think his career would have exploded without Doctor Who.

519
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,160
I don't think David Tennant actually owes all that much to Doctor Who.

520
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:18,120
I think it's helped, but I think we'd probably be discussing David Tennant in a similar context

521
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,640
to how we do anyway if he hadn't have done Doctor Who.

522
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:26,560
But I think the fact that he did Doctor Who as he was becoming incredibly popular and

523
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,560
incredibly well known and well respected actor.

524
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:37,200
I think it sort of mutually benefited him and the series.

525
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,360
Have you seen, this is a slight change of topic, have you seen his podcast is coming

526
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,360
back?

527
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:47,000
David Tennant does a podcast with.

528
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,240
He has got Russell T Davies is coming to do an episode.

529
00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:59,440
Ben Schwartz from what's that Apple TV one everyone's talking about?

530
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:00,440
Severance.

531
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,440
Severance.

532
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,440
He's coming on to it.

533
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,760
There's a few others that haven't released a full list of all the guests just yet, but

534
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,560
I'm very, very excited because that's a fantastic podcast.

535
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,080
Tennant is an unbelievably good interviewer.

536
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,520
I'm really looking forward to hearing this new run.

537
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,240
He seems to be one of those people that's just frustratingly good at anything he does.

538
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:28,240
I assume you've seen it because everyone on the Internet has seen it.

539
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,200
Have you seen his BAFTA's intro?

540
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,600
Yes, doing 500 miles.

541
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,800
Joy from start to finish.

542
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:42,880
The only person that looks like they're not enjoying themselves is his wife.

543
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,880
I think that might be put on.

544
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,160
Oh, definitely.

545
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,400
That was the joke.

546
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:53,120
The wee bits at the start where he prays to the gods of BAFTA and Dame Helen, Your Majesty,

547
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,120
and Captain Cox, sir.

548
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,720
It's just those wee bits.

549
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:03,560
I really thought they were really funny.

550
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,960
Yeah, national treasure.

551
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:06,960
David Tennant.

552
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,960
Absolutely.

553
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:08,960
Absolutely.

554
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:09,960
Without a doubt.

555
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,440
Well, that was the Doctor Who bit.

556
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,120
I wasn't expecting the Doctor Who bit to be that long, to be honest.

557
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:19,440
I thought we were going to do 10 minutes about Doctor Who and then discuss other stuff.

558
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,160
As it is, we don't have an enormous amount of time left.

559
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:27,320
So talk to us about some of the TV you've been watching recently, Connor.

560
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,920
I've actually been watching more TV.

561
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:34,480
So I've recently, for fairly recently, moved into my own house for the first time.

562
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,120
And I'm living on my own for the first time.

563
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,360
And that's very relaxing.

564
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:45,200
But one of the biggest things that has changed is I'm actually watching TV again because

565
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:50,840
I didn't really when I was living with my family because someone else was always watching

566
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,240
it and you couldn't really get to sit for a couple of nights in a row and watch what

567
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:56,440
you wanted to.

568
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,320
So I can now and it's wonderful.

569
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:04,880
I have watched, so since I moved in, I've watched the full original run of House of

570
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,080
Cards starring Ian Richardson.

571
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,360
It's fantastic, isn't it?

572
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,360
Absolutely brilliant.

573
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:16,680
Absolutely one of the best British dramas ever made.

574
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,360
You might very well think that I couldn't possibly comment.

575
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,520
Many, many Doctor Who links as well.

576
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,520
I know.

577
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,120
Yes, yes.

578
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,320
It's stacked with Doctor Who cast.

579
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,840
It's directed by somebody that was in Doctor Who.

580
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,200
And of course, Ian Richardson's son is Raxxytel.

581
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,240
Yeah, yeah.

582
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:41,840
So I watched it and ouch.

583
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,720
Did you catch Raxxytel's cameo in it?

584
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:45,720
No.

585
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:47,440
When was that?

586
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:52,880
It's in, I think it's in the very, very final episode.

587
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,200
And it's been years since I watched it, but there's sort of a cutaway.

588
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,200
Yes, I did.

589
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,200
He's the soldier.

590
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,200
He's a soldier.

591
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,200
Yeah.

592
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,200
I didn't realise.

593
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,200
Of course.

594
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,280
Yes, I didn't realise that was him.

595
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,280
Of course it is.

596
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,280
Yes, yes, yes.

597
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,280
Oh, that's very good.

598
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,280
That was a young Miles.

599
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,280
Oh, that's very good.

600
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,280
I didn't twig.

601
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,280
But of course it was.

602
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:18,320
Yeah, I was going to say I'd seen them all before.

603
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:26,760
So I sort of thought it was a case of diminishing returns where season one's absolute perfection

604
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,840
and then it sort of drops in quality as it goes along.

605
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,840
Absolutely on the case.

606
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,480
Season two and three are just as good as the first one.

607
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:43,680
So season three was the biggest sort of revelation for me this time round.

608
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,320
Isla Blair's in that and she's fantastic too.

609
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:53,880
She is really, really good at playing off our cart against Tom Makepeace and she's sort

610
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,600
of going between the two and it doesn't work out for her in the end.

611
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,400
It doesn't really work out for anyone in the end, which is sort of the way House of Cards

612
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,400
always goes, I think.

613
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,500
But what a good series.

614
00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:07,500
So I've watched that.

615
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:08,500
I've watched SSGB.

616
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:12,760
I can't remember how I've talked about SSGB on here before, but it's one of my favourite

617
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,800
novels and I really love the TV season as well.

618
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:24,720
The whole idea of what it is, it's Britain in an alternative universe where the Nazis

619
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:31,760
won the war and it's set about six months after the Nazis invade Britain and take over

620
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:37,680
London and Britain just capitulates or the southern part of England capitulates and then

621
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,240
I think they make a mention that there's a front line somewhere around the Midlands and

622
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:47,340
the north and Scotland or, you know, there's a resistance up there.

623
00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:53,200
But London is under Nazi rule and it sort of goes into, I always think, so there's this

624
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,960
sort of thriller plot going on about the atomic research programme.

625
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,680
I don't think that's the point of the story, either as a novel or in the TV series.

626
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:12,280
I think it's more about day to day life under a Nazi occupation and it sort of goes into

627
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:20,220
how the Nazis appropriate a lot of what makes a lot of what's quite iconic about Britain.

628
00:40:20,220 --> 00:40:26,600
So the head of the SS takes over Scotland Yard as his own private office and he dresses

629
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:34,400
himself in British tweed like it's a costume and has a magazine come over from Germany

630
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,640
and photograph him walking in the footsteps of Sherlock Holmes in Scotland Yard, this

631
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:39,640
sort of thing.

632
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:44,640
They make a point, it's more, I think this is more so in the TV series, but there's Nazis

633
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,200
riding the King's horses for fun because they're the King's horses and they can do that and

634
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,200
there's a novelty to them.

635
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,440
Oh, look at us, we're riding the King's horses.

636
00:40:54,440 --> 00:41:01,320
The very opening shot of the TV series is a Spitfire flying over the green fields of

637
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:09,380
England and that's quite a rose tinted image of freedom and triumph for Britain.

638
00:41:09,380 --> 00:41:12,800
But it flies over London and London looks not right.

639
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,760
You can see red banners in places, you can see bombed out buildings.

640
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,800
It lands on this road and you initially don't know what road this is, but it lands in a

641
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,160
road in central London.

642
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:29,920
A Luftwaffe pilot gets out and he has basically taken this Spitfire and it's described as

643
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:38,360
one of the last remaining Spitfires in, I think this is set in 1941.

644
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:44,240
He's taken it for a joyride and the camera sort of slowly pans round and in the background

645
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:51,320
then is the bombed out Buckingham Palace and this joyride has ended with the Luftwaffe

646
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:58,000
pilot or captain or whatever he is landing the Spitfire on the mall.

647
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:08,880
It does so well at putting over high and occupying force, sort of belittles in this case the

648
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:09,880
British population.

649
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:15,920
I don't get, I will say about the Germans taking over this iconic, sort of the British

650
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,920
iconography Sherlock Holmes and Scotland Yard and the King's Horses and all that stuff,

651
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,960
the Spitfires.

652
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,360
The British public don't get any of that.

653
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,080
The whole British identity is erased, they go through the underground and the underground

654
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,320
logo has been changed and taken away.

655
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,080
The text has been changed.

656
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:41,440
I think the underground and London has quite a, you know what the text on those walls meant

657
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,320
to look like and it doesn't look like that.

658
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,080
I think that's in the behind the scenes photos, they said they deliberately changed that so

659
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,320
it looked wrong on screen and it's a really good effect.

660
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,160
The take away the red phone boxes, so it's like everything that you picture when you

661
00:42:55,160 --> 00:43:02,880
think about Britain, all the big iconic like red telephone boxes, red London buses, Spitfires,

662
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,480
that's for the Germans because they won the war and that's been taken away and you have

663
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,440
the British public then are absorbed into the Reich.

664
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,680
It's a really good story, it's done really well for TV and it's absolutely terrifying.

665
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:22,960
I hope I don't sound like I'm glorifying the idea of an invasion here but it's just

666
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,800
mind blowing how well this alternative reality is realised.

667
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,160
It's a fantastic story.

668
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,160
I love it.

669
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,160
I love it so much.

670
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:36,640
It's, I mean it's definitely one you've recommended to me before and I've not got

671
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,360
to yet and really, really should have done.

672
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,680
Both the book and the series, I think I've got the book lined up on Audible actually.

673
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,280
It's worthwhile to read the book before you see the series.

674
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,520
I actually think the series tightens up a lot of what's wrong with the book.

675
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:57,360
The book gets a wee bit loose in places where the plot meanders and wanders, all gets tightened

676
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,360
up in the series.

677
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:04,600
I think the TV version is better or it's tighter than the book but it pays to have read the

678
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,160
book first and then see the series.

679
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,160
All that.

680
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,160
That is what I shall do.

681
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:19,360
I'll report back in a future coffee bar meeting and let you know how I got on.

682
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,160
But yeah, TV's quite good at the minute.

683
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,160
I'm enjoying TV.

684
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,880
We've already mentioned Severance and there's a new series of that ongoing at the moment.

685
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:33,160
I'm not going to talk about it in a lot of depth because I've only watched a couple of

686
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,600
episodes of the new series and there's been a couple more released that I've not seen

687
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,080
yet and this won't be online for a few weeks yet.

688
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:49,000
So I'm trying not to discuss anything that's ongoing but I'm thoroughly enjoying Severance.

689
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,760
It's one of those series you've really got to concentrate on.

690
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:54,760
It's very enjoyable.

691
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,800
There's a lot to unpack there.

692
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:07,020
I also caught up, had a little bit of an Apple TV run really, caught up with Slow Horses which

693
00:45:07,020 --> 00:45:14,200
is one of the best series going at all at the moment.

694
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:19,760
It's just great that Gary Oldman's doing TV.

695
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,080
And Jackson Lam is such a fantastic character and that's another series of books that I

696
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:29,320
keep meaning to get to and sort of have the first one queued on Audible and haven't quite

697
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,000
made it there yet.

698
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:37,600
But I have every intention of sort of catching up with the series in the books and trying

699
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:38,600
to get ahead.

700
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,080
But they're doing those series quickly.

701
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:46,120
Apparently they've already started work on series six and we're not going to see series

702
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,900
five until much, much later this year.

703
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:54,280
So they really are kind of working two series ahead.

704
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,800
I think they're going to run out of books soon.

705
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,280
I think there's eight books off the top of my head.

706
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,400
I think that's about right, yeah.

707
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:08,160
So that's really, really worth watching but sort of every series I sort of think they're

708
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,960
not going to be able to keep this quality going.

709
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,680
There's no way they're going to be able to keep this level of quality going and then

710
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,160
they do.

711
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,200
I think it helps that the series are actually quite short.

712
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,880
Like it's six 45 minute episodes.

713
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,880
It's very tight, very sort of well put together.

714
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,960
There's no time for messing about or anything like that.

715
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,800
So I think that works particularly well.

716
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,280
Like it doesn't meander.

717
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:40,840
It's not some long drawn out adaptation.

718
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,160
It's not functional.

719
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,780
Characters do have relationships.

720
00:46:43,780 --> 00:46:48,440
Characters explore relationships and an awful lot happens but it's not gratuitous.

721
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:54,040
It doesn't wander off with anything but it still remains very watchful, very believable

722
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,480
and very, very gripping.

723
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,720
So I've had an awful lot of fun with that.

724
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:05,400
Another Apple series that I'm on at the moment and it's another one that's not quite finished

725
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:14,080
yet so again not going into too much detail but it's called Prime Target and it's about

726
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:20,120
a maths genius who sort of gets wound up in a bit of a conspiracy.

727
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:27,520
It's or the first episode at least has got David Morrissey in it, the next Doctor himself.

728
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:33,400
Yes, it's a very, very good series so far.

729
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,840
I think it's going to stick the landing.

730
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:35,840
I hope it does.

731
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:42,360
By the time this goes out I think it will have finished but it's definitely worth jumping

732
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:48,320
on if you've got access to Apple TV which there's a lot of very, very good stuff coming

733
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,000
out of at the moment but perhaps a little under the radar.

734
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,920
Yeah, I get that impression a lot with Apple TV.

735
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:01,840
I don't have it myself but you see Severance talked about and I don't really want to sign

736
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,800
up for another streaming service just for it.

737
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,120
So there's not a lot on Apple.

738
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:17,080
What I do is figure out what it is you want to watch and get the subscription for as long

739
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,520
as you need it.

740
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,800
I don't keep my Apple subscription.

741
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:27,680
I'll kind of let it build up and then maybe subscribe for two or three months and get

742
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,680
everything I want to watch watched because there's just not enough on there and there's

743
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:39,000
not enough new content that justifies having a sort of rolling 12 month subscription but

744
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,280
by the time you get to January, February there's probably three or four new series worth watching

745
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,880
on there.

746
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,640
Yes, yes.

747
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:54,520
I was on the verge of cancelling my Netflix account the other day because I don't use

748
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:55,520
it.

749
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,120
I actually don't watch a huge amount on streaming services.

750
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,720
I buy DVDs and then I'll watch those.

751
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:07,400
But I was on the verge of cancelling my Netflix account when the news broke that there's going

752
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,240
to be a Dungeons and Dragons live action series on it.

753
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:12,240
Yes.

754
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:15,840
And I was just like, OK, we'll keep that going then.

755
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,040
I hope that gets me it.

756
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:25,720
I will eat my hat if it does and I'll eat another hat if it gets more than one series.

757
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:35,760
But I'm very excited for that when it eventually hopefully arrives on our screens.

758
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:44,960
Yeah, it's difficult to sort of decide which streaming services to keep and which to ditch

759
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,800
because it's getting to a point now where it's just not feasible.

760
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,840
Well, that was the point of Netflix back at the start of all this was that it was the

761
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,480
one stop shop.

762
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:56,480
It had the BBC.

763
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,520
It was the only one.

764
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,840
It was, as I say, the one stop shop.

765
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,880
Everything was under one roof and as time has gone on, that's not the case anymore.

766
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,400
And these things all cost what, ten quid a month, more than ten quid a month in some

767
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,240
cases now.

768
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:16,100
It's not affordable to keep up with everything.

769
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:22,800
So I think it's fair enough to do some surfing around, do six months with Netflix or maybe

770
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,000
not as long, do two months with Netflix, do two months with Disney, that sort of thing

771
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,560
and just catch up on it all throughout the year.

772
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:34,520
It's not in any way, shape or form sustainable to stick with all of them all at once.

773
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,240
No, I think you're absolutely right.

774
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:41,840
The one that I did, I mean, it's been a while since I gave up on it now, but it was Brit

775
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:47,360
Box and I realised that all I was watching on Brit Box was Classy Doctor Who and Blake

776
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,360
7.

777
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:53,960
And I kind of had the epiphany of hang on a minute, I've got all of these on DVD or

778
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:54,960
Blu-ray.

779
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,120
Why am I paying?

780
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,640
It wasn't an awful lot, was it?

781
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:05,000
Why am I paying a five or a month for the privilege of not walking upstairs to get the

782
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,000
disc?

783
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,000
Yeah.

784
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,000
It's just not worth it.

785
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,000
I didn't.

786
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,960
So I've been building up as the collection box sets have come out.

787
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,640
But whenever Brit Box launched, I didn't have a lot of Classic Doctor Who, so it was perfect

788
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,040
for me.

789
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:25,640
I think it launched on Boxing Day in the UK, I can't remember what year, but I watched

790
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:31,960
in one go the horror of Fang Rock and I loved it.

791
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,280
It was a very lazy Boxing Day and I watched the horror of Fang Rock and it was a wee bit

792
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:37,280
bad.

793
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,280
What made you go for that?

794
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,280
I don't know.

795
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:45,320
I think I quite like that gothic feel that Fang Rock has and the image of the Fendal

796
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,320
has.

797
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:52,120
I always say that they are more Hinchliffe than Hinchliffe himself.

798
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,240
So I'd heard it was good and I really loved it.

799
00:51:56,240 --> 00:52:00,720
It was a great Boxing Day story.

800
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:04,280
Just a really good little slice of Doctor Who.

801
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,000
But I got introduced to so much through Brit Box.

802
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,480
I started watching Big Seven.

803
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,240
I must admit I didn't get terribly far into it.

804
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,040
But it was that.

805
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,280
It was Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister.

806
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:17,280
I did a full run of that.

807
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:22,840
I did House of Cards and I did a couple of other things as well.

808
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,480
Brit Box was great and it's gone now I believe.

809
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,440
I think it's been folded into ITVX.

810
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,840
Yes, I think so.

811
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,840
Which is a shame.

812
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:38,880
I definitely got my use out of it, but I ended up falling into the habit of just watching

813
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,760
Doctor Who and Blake Seven on there.

814
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:41,760
I've got it all.

815
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,840
I've got it all on disc.

816
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,040
Why am I doing this?

817
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,320
I do always find it interesting, just going back to you mentioning Horror of Fang Rock

818
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:51,320
there.

819
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:58,680
I always find it interesting chatting to people whenever they get sudden access to every Doctor

820
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,080
Who story there is.

821
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:05,160
It was the same when it went on to iPlayer around the time of the 60th anniversary.

822
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:11,120
It was really interesting to see what people went for straight away.

823
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:17,920
Having grown up on videos and UK Gold and having Classic Doctor Who very slowly drip

824
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:23,040
fed into my life with not an awful lot of say over what I watch next.

825
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:27,800
It tended to be a case of, oh, I've got access to, I don't know, the Sea Devils now.

826
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,520
That's what I'm going to watch today then.

827
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:36,040
It's always very interesting to see what people go for when they suddenly get 26 years worth

828
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,840
of Classic Doctor Who dumped in front of them.

829
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:47,440
I remember seeing online, somebody went straight for the gunfighters.

830
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:52,560
As soon as it went online, went for the gunfighters and they were like, I reckon I'm the first

831
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:58,240
person in the world to watch the gunfighters on BBC iPlayer because no one else is going

832
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:00,640
to dive in and go straight to the gunfighters.

833
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,840
That's a great idea.

834
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,200
I love it.

835
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,400
Just shortly after I got Brit Box, I did watch the gunfighters.

836
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:15,200
It was one I went for pretty early on and I actually really liked it.

837
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:22,080
It's obviously not perfect, but it's better I think than its reputation suggests.

838
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:29,800
I think it's one of those things where I assume it was missing for a while, where someone

839
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:35,640
who didn't really like Westerns said it was rubbish and that became received fan wisdom.

840
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,680
Whereas when you watch it, it's actually a decent enough little story.

841
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:44,600
Obviously you can tell William Hartnell is very not well by that stage because he's not

842
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:49,240
doing a huge amount in it, but it's Doctor Who doing a Western.

843
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:52,240
What's not to like?

844
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:54,680
I could be wrong.

845
00:54:54,680 --> 00:55:01,080
I don't think it ever has been missing or if it has, it's not been at a time when anybody

846
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:08,800
would notice if it was missing or not because videos weren't a thing.

847
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:14,160
I think it was just the case of everyone that watched it first time round went, oh, that's

848
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,360
rubbish.

849
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,040
I think it was one of the least watched Hartnells.

850
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:23,360
It might even be the least watched Hartnell in terms of audience figures.

851
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:28,720
So I think it's just one of those things where everybody went, oh, well, you know, we've

852
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:35,600
got the low audience figures and those that watched it said it's not very good.

853
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:40,160
Therefore, it must be the worst Doctor Who story ever.

854
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:46,680
And that just sort of sat there for so long.

855
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:55,240
I bet nobody at all saw it between sort of the late 60s and what, the 80s, 90s?

856
00:55:55,240 --> 00:56:01,640
I don't know when it will have, when it have sort of received an airing after that.

857
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:02,640
Yes.

858
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:07,560
I suppose it'll have got floated around Australian markets and that kind of thing.

859
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:12,520
But yeah, realistically, there's probably a good 15 years.

860
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,040
And in those 15 years, fandom became a thing.

861
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,720
You know, Doctor Who magazine became a thing and D-Waz became a thing and all that sort

862
00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:22,120
of stuff.

863
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:26,280
So I think it just sort of became received wisdom that it was a bit rubbish.

864
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,080
But I remember watching it for the first time and thinking, this is great.

865
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:37,960
This is, this is up there with the better Hartnells actually.

866
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:46,600
Give me Gunfighters over any other story with Steven and Dodo as the companion pairing.

867
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,640
Give me that over the sensor ice.

868
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,040
Give me that over keys and marina.

869
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:55,120
There's all sorts that obviously it's got that really iconic song as well.

870
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:56,120
Yeah.

871
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:05,960
Which I can see putting people off as much as, yeah, but it, it does something different

872
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,320
and Doctor Who's allowed to do something different.

873
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,480
Doctor Who works when it does something different.

874
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,200
It doesn't work when it does something different.

875
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,400
Sometimes it does something different and it's Delta and the Bannermen.

876
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:24,920
I like Delta and the Bannermen on a basic level of it's doing something different and

877
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,360
it's exactly the production that it intends to be.

878
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:29,960
It's not a failed production.

879
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,160
It's a complete success.

880
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:37,320
Whether the outcome of that is to everyone's taste or not is a completely different thing.

881
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:42,400
But in the interests of not giving you the opportunity to argue back with that, I'm going

882
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,800
to say that we've run out of time and we'll have to end the episode there.

883
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:47,800
Okay.

884
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,800
Fair enough.

885
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:57,240
So, yes, that was another visit to the coffee bar.

886
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,840
So these episodes are completely unplanned.

887
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:04,520
We walked into this and the only prompt we kind of had was, oh, let's talk about not

888
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,960
Doctor Who TV a little bit.

889
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,320
Everything else has been just us having a chat.

890
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,040
So hopefully, listeners, you've enjoyed it.

891
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:19,320
The feedback on previous coffee bar episodes has been pretty positive.

892
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,880
We've taken far longer to bring it back than we actually wanted to.

893
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:28,040
We've just struggled to get one of these in or not had another recording that's taken

894
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,240
priority or anything.

895
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,560
So we do love doing these coffee bar episodes.

896
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:38,080
So thank you for listening and bearing with us, I guess.

897
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:42,360
As I said, they're always a lot of fun just to come on and talk complete nonsense for

898
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:47,320
an hour with no structure, just talking about the things we like or in this case, Delta

899
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,960
on the bottom end, which we don't like.

900
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:50,960
You don't like.

901
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:59,400
I think that as I said, this is the most Doctor Who-y coffee bar that we've done.

902
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:00,400
I think so, yeah.

903
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:06,040
We don't usually talk too much about Doctor Who in these, but we've done a lot about tonight.

904
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,720
We've done a lot of Star Wars, haven't we?

905
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,560
We did a bit of a Twin Peaks one.

906
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:15,360
And I'm watching Twin Peaks again now because David Lynch has very sadly passed away, which

907
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,880
has prompted me to start again with Twin Peaks.

908
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,400
And it's a wonderful series.

909
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,960
But that's for another coffee bar.

910
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:24,960
Right.

911
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,180
Well, we will leave it there.

912
00:59:26,180 --> 00:59:28,600
So thank you very, very much for joining me, Connor.

913
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,880
We'll coffee bar again sometime.

914
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:31,880
Thank you very much.

915
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:39,120
However, I suspect that we'll probably do a second series of Christopher Eccleston episode

916
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:43,800
before we get to that, because we need to talk about the fact that Nine and Rose are

917
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:44,800
doing a series.

918
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:45,800
I forgot.

919
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:46,800
How have we got through a whole episode?

920
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:51,320
We'll do that in the main Doctor episode.

921
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,880
Which I think we've probably just rushed up the priority list.

922
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:55,880
Yeah.

923
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:56,880
Yeah.

924
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,280
It's just like, oh my God.

925
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,200
Oh my God.

926
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,720
In the meantime, I will say goodbye and thank you to Connor.

927
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:04,720
Thank you very much.

928
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:10,160
And we'll be back for more discussing how great Delta and the Bannermen is soon.

929
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:11,160
Goodbye now.

930
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:27,000
You're playing with your audio design toys again with the coffee shop noises.

931
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,000
Oh yeah.

932
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,680
It'd be rude not to.

933
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,600
I might do a bit of foley.

934
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,600
I might actually record my own coffee machine.

935
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,840
Like this isn't just something I've got online and edited together.

936
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,520
This is actual legitimate.

937
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,440
This is the Spodcast coffee machine.

938
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,640
I'm the cuckoo in the nest again because I don't drink coffee and I'm sitting here in

939
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,280
the coffee shop with a cup of tea.

940
01:00:54,280 --> 01:01:01,240
I bet you're one of those people that puts milk in ill grey, aren't you?

941
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,400
I don't even know what sort of tea it is.

942
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,840
There's a bag and it makes me tea and I put milk in it.

943
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:17,240
I don't know what type of tea it is.

944
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:22,800
Philistinism.

945
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,920
Someone actually did buy me and I haven't used it yet to machine.

946
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:25,920
I'm going to do that tonight.

947
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,360
Actually, someone did buy me a little tea strainer and a little selection of teas that

948
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,320
you have to run through the tea strainer.

949
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,120
And there's Earl Grey and English breakfast and another kind.

950
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:40,040
I think the most wonderful thing about this episode is that we've already recorded the

951
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:45,680
post credit sequence at the start.

952
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:55,100
Thanks for watching.