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You're listening to a podcast of spurious morality. For the first time in a while.

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We're back and it's about time.

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Yeah, sorry guys, Connor's back as well.

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There's no escaping me. Yeah, we're back. We're back. Series three. Series three.

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Series three. We're very back. Like what didn't get a third series? What stopped at series two?

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I mean, class didn't even get a series two.

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I was going to say class didn't even get that far. So we're doing a little class.

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Class barely got a series one.

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Do you think the war between the land and the sea will get a second series?

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Doctor Who? Doctor Who might not get a third series.

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I mean, yeah, that's true. We might actually have had more series than Doctor Who.

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That was mean. That was very mean of us.

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I really think we should leave that bit there. Get on with the episode.

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Hello and welcome back to a podcast of spurious morality. I'm Johnston and bringing back this

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podcast with me is Connor. Hello, Connor. Hello. And we genuinely haven't done this for quite a

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long time. Like we've recorded podcast episodes and kind of banked them and you're going to hear

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them over the next sort of few months. But we've not sat down and recorded an episode with the

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intention of putting it online within the next couple of weeks for quite some time now.

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The last one, genuinely the last one I did was the Jodie Whittaker one. I haven't recorded since

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we did the Jodie Whittaker online special. And that was the last one we put online.

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We have got some stuff stashed away that we record season by season quite a bit in advance. And we've

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done some other things we've had a guest on. We've recorded an episode with a guest, a returning

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guest. So that should be online in the next few weeks. And that guest has promised to share it

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all over social media, including Blue Sky. We are on Blue Sky now. We are not on Twitter or whatever

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the idiots calling it these days, but we are on Blue Sky. So do hop over there to find us.

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We're still on Instagram. We're still on threads. We're still on Facebook. There's probably a few

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that I've forgotten and need to kind of log back into after having a six month break from podcasting.

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But yeah, find us on Blue Sky. We're there with podcast.bluesky.social, whatever the system is on

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there with that. So let's put a link in the description to this. That's the best way of

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doing it, isn't it? Probably. Anyway, yeah, let's do that. But yeah, the point is it's been quite

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a long time since we've done this and it's absolutely great to be back. And it feels like

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an awful lot has happened. I mean, just around the Who universe, there's so many other things

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I want to talk about. I've got like 25 coffee bars worth of not really Doctor Who materials

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to discuss, but I think we're keeping it to the worlds of Doctor Who and Big Finish for

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just these first couple of episodes back. So we've been away since April. We kind of did

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a couple of specials for series one. So we're not going to talk too much about sort of new

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Telly Doctor Who, but from a Big Finish point of view, there's tons to discuss.

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Give us some of your highlights since April, Connor. Go ahead.

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So I've just been clicking through the app here. I didn't realize that this came out after we

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stopped recording, but the Ninth Doctor and River Song had a box set together, which was pretty big.

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And it was Christopher Eccleston's last box set for the time being anyway. He has said it's an

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au revoir to Big Finish and not a goodbye. So hopefully it'll be back at some stage. But for

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now, that is the end of the Ninth Doctor adventures. And I know I wax quite lyrical about those,

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you know, on this podcast all the time, anytime I come up. But I just want to say again, how

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utterly special it was to have Christopher Eccleston, my doctor, back on playing the

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role again every three months on a regular basis. That was wonderful. It was said over the years,

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if he even came back to do one box set, that would be enough for me. And we got three full

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series out of them. So I cannot fault him for taking a step away from the role again,

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because I've got more than I ever could have possibly hoped for. And I thought it was a pretty

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good set to end on. I thought it was a really nice, particularly that last episode Archipelago by Tim

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Foley. That was brilliant. And, you know, to actually get the River Song meeting with them,

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not just once, but three times. I'm glad they were able to pull that off. And it was such a good set.

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We also had Lost Stories. We had Death World and Operation Werewolf. I think out of the two,

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Operation Werewolf definitely was my highlight. It was just really flipping good to get a proper

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second Doctor story with Michael Troughton and Fraser Hines and Wendy Padbury. You know, like a

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set during the original run. Michael Troughton is just brilliant. I think he's one of the best

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recasts they've done, full stop. So that was excellent. That was fantastic. Really enjoyed

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Trial of a Time Lord and the stuff of legend as well. And I'm also, I was also quite a fan of the

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Quintessence, which is the most recent third Doctor set with the Cybermen, because it sort of goes

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back and revisits the world and the atmosphere of Spare. You know, spoilers, you know, obviously,

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if you're listening, it goes back and revisits the world and the tone and the feeling of Spare parts

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in a more, in a way that I think was more directly referential to Spare parts than I expected. I

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thought it was, I thought it was great. I had a great time with it. So that's my highlights from

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what we know we've had since we've been off air. I think it's been a strong enough wee run for

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big finish, mostly. Yeah, it's definitely been a pretty strong few months, I think. I did enjoy

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Operation Werewolf and I know exactly what you mean. It's a little bit long, but it's recreating a

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late 60s Doctor Who six-parter. Yes, it's a little bit long. Of course it is.

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We've had some good Torchwood. We've had some great Torchwood. We've had Art Decadence,

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which introduces us to this sort of 1920s aristocratic Mara-infested Torchwood, which

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was great. I enjoyed Endgame, which was like, I mean, Tosh Torchwoods are always good, but I think

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it might be the best Tosh Torchwood we've ever been given. And we've had loads of Morbius. Like,

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we've not seen or heard from Morbius for absolutely years. And all of a sudden we get an entire Dark

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Gallifrey Morbius series, which was exceptionally unique. I really don't think we've ever had

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anything else like it from Big Finish. And we've had a proper War Doctor versus Morbius horrible,

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nasty battle. Like, I love the idea of Morbius popping up in the Time War and just deciding to

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ignore everything else that's going on, getting a load of Time Lords onside and going after the

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Doctor, like proper vengeance style. It was a really, really good release. I had an awful lot

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of fun with it. And Jonathan Carley is, I mean, I will always say this for the rest of time,

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just such an incredible War Doctor. Like, how anybody can just be so close to an actor as great

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as John Hurt and make me believe it is him all the way through flawlessly is beyond me. It's just

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such an achievement. I had a lot of fun with Trials of a Time Lord, kind of.

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that anyway. Having a great time with Bernice Summerfield, the new Benny series, which we've

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still got one to go. And going back to what you were saying about Michael Troughton being absolutely

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fantastic in his father's role, by far the best thing about Trespassers 3, the Paternoster gang

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set that came out a few days before recording this. It'll be a few weeks old by the time this

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goes out. But he was absolutely fantastic in that. Like the second Doctor and Vastra were a nice

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little double act. I really enjoyed hearing that. So yeah, we've had some great stuff.

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In the next few weeks, we're getting an eighth Doctor set that I'm very much looking forward to.

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The next few TORCHWOODs announced all sound rather good.

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I think they've announced their release dates now, and I'm not sure if this is the very last

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release of the year or the second last. But The Curse of Time, I think it's called The Curse of

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Time, which is the first four part, fourth Doctor, Sergean Smith and Harry Sullivan story,

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they've released. They've only released one totally original, brand new to big finish

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story with the fourth Doctor and Sarah so far. That was in the last classic Doctor's New Monster

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set. But this is the first four part serial they've done with Tom Baker and with Sergean

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Smith and Harry Sullivan. And I'm desperately excited to hear it.

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The first proper season 12 story.

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Yes. Yes. And I like that it apparently is like a week quarter to season 12. So I'm looking

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forward to that. Yeah, I think that'll be a lot of fun. And it's a TARDIS team we've really,

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really waited for. I did enjoy them in Return of the Cybermen and the other Lost Stories we've had

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them in. But we've had quite a lot of Harry with the fourth Doctor and Naomi and then Unit and then

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the seventh Doctor. We've had quite a lot of Sarah with the third Doctor. But this is

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what we want. We've wanted the season 12 team ever since they've had

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the fourth Doctor and Sarah and Harry as active characters at big finish, haven't we? Surely

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that's what we've all been waiting for. How long has it been now since like Return

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of the Cybermen, which was Sergean's first, you know, or, you know, it was the first recast

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Sergean story that was back in. Was it 20 or 21?

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2021, I think, because it wasn't far off Eccleston coming in. So that was 2021. That's quite a long

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time. And I think it's I know it's just how big finish record, but that feels like a long time

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to wait for a brand new Sergean Smith and fourth Doctor story. It feels strange that we're only

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getting that now, but I'm glad it's finally here. Yes, I do sincerely hope that at some point in

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the distant future, because we know the fourth Doctor is recorded the best part of a decade in

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advance at this point. I'd love to think that we were getting another series with Ramana as well,

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like the fourth Doctor and Ramana have been such a great pairing at big finish.

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But I'm more than happy to wait for that if it means we're getting more for and Sarah or for

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Sarah and Harry. Yes. Yes. Let's let's address the well, the elephant in the room that we've

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already done two very long episodes about but obviously, telly daughter who we've had series

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one since we were last regularly online as a podcast and we did do a couple of episodes at

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the time we covered half the series in one and the second half the series in the other and

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overall think we enjoyed it think that maybe the finale left us feeling a little bit.

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I don't know short changed. Is that a fair word to use? I think the fairest thing I can say about

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it is is that I am a little it's not that I'm not excited, but I'm feeling a little more

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ambivalent about what's to come than I usually do. Which is to say that I don't ever feel

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ambivalent about Doctor Who and I sort of do this time. I think I think I didn't make much

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secret at the time. I wasn't a huge fan of series one. I thought some of the individual stories

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were pretty good, but the overall effect of it left me feeling a bit cold. Joy to the world

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looks good. I I'm I I'm glad it's a Steven Moffat script because I think I'm maybe slightly more

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predisposed to like a Steven Moffat script. And I'm I'm looking I'm I'm really glad it's back in

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Christmas Day. I had wondered for a while because have you seen the BBC schedule for Christmas Day

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this year? It's absolutely insane. It's Walson Gromit. It's Doctor Who Gavin and Stacey. It is

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the best Christmas schedule they've had for years and I had sort of thought I wonder is Doctor Who

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going to get bonked at Christmas Eve or Boxing Day? Because you know to make room for

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Walson Gromit and Gavin and Stacey are 19 minutes each. But the BBC have made the right decision

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and they've taken Michael McIntyre off instead. Yes, very correct decision. So Doctor Who's still

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on Christmas Day where it belongs. I think it was all I always said I thought it was a shame

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that Doctor Who was taken off Christmas Day and I'm glad it's back there now. I'm looking forward

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to it. It looks like a good story. Trailer came out yesterday. It's a good trailer. You know at

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the time of recording it was yesterday. So I am looking forward to it. But I think it's fair enough

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to say season one has put a little bit of a dampener on my excitement for what's coming next from

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Telly Doctor Who, which is fine because I have big finish and I will be quite happy with it and the

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books as well. I think that I'm definitely looking forward to Walson Gromit more, but I think that's

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fine. That's right. I don't think that's any sign of where I am with Doctor Who at the moment. I

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think it's just oh my god more Walson Gromit. Yes, yes. They are, I was going to say they're

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national treasures. They are the national treasures. Yeah, I'm not sure how, I know

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there has been stuff, but I've not seen any of it. I'm not sure how I'm going to cope with

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not Peter Salis Wallace. He's very good. He is genuinely indistinguishable to my ears.

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I think that at the time of Matt Rolofan death, it was kind of half and half, wasn't it?

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I think pretty much for the last 10 years, it's not been very much Peter Salis, you know, I think

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from 2010 on. He's been dead for a good 10 years. But yeah, it sort of inhibits your ability to

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even before I play the character. Not a big finish.

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I haven't quite gone that far just yet. I didn't really see him dead that long. I think even before

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he passed away, it was Peter Salis did the the actual Wallace and Gromit and Ben Whitehead did

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everything else, all of the supplementary stuff. So he's very, very, very good to my ears. And you

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know, I'm listening to the trailer or I'm watching the trailers and listen for it.

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And it just sounds like Wallace to me. So I'm very much looking forward to it.

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And we're doing very well on art. We're only talking about Doctor Who episodes so far.

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Yeah, I'm still in pretty much the same place with season one. I've not rewatched it.

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But I've not sort of felt as though I want to go and rewatch it. And normally, when there's a new

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series of Doctor Who, within six months, I will have watched it again. I mean, I'm a lot busier

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now than I was in the days of RTD1 when I was quite young. But yeah, it hasn't at any point

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sort of made me want to go back and like, yeah, I need to do that again. I need to catch up. Is

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there anything I've forgotten? Because I genuinely don't think there is anything I've forgotten. I

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don't think there's anything being carried over to a Christmas special or a new series that I kind

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of need to remind myself of. I could be wrong, like I said, I'm not bringing back to it. But

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it felt as though season one tied pretty much everything that was dangling off. And in a few

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cases, not very satisfactorily. We've got the Mrs. Flood thing, but that's not really gone anywhere

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yet. No, judging by the trailer, I think the Christmas special is going to deal on a little

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bit of the fallout of Ruby leaving. And I have watched the finale twice. I've watched everything

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else once. I've watched the finale twice. And looking back, I think it's half and half that

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Ruby left and half and half the doctor decided to leave Ruby behind for her own, for what I think

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he thought was her own good, which you could argue was not his decision to make. But I think

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the trailer seems to be dealing with some of the fallout from that, how the doctor feels in the

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wake of a companion leaving him. So that's good material. It's good material for Stephen Moffat

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in particular. So I think that'll be good. I want to know what's going to happen with Mrs. Flood. I

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think she was great. I think Anita Dobson's great. And I'm looking forward to that. I don't expect

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to get any answers or hints on what's going on with her until the end of season two. I think

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that's the absolute earliest we'll find anything out about Mrs. Flood.

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Mrs. Flood. Yes, I'd agree. But it's, you know, I'll watch it. I'll be there on Christmas day,

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probably after one too many glasses of wine, and I will be watching it. And then I'll probably need

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to rewatch it a few days later due to the aforementioned wine. But that's a tradition.

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So yeah, roll it on. Roll on Christmas day. I'm definitely here for it. But I'm kind of in the

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same position as you where sort of take me back 10, 15 years and I'd be counting down to new doctor

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who not to Christmas. And I think that's the difference. Maybe we've just grown up.

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Never.

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That's it. No, no, we're not doing that. We're definitely not doing any of that nonsense.

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one. Oh, God. One big finish release since we went off air that has been

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the best or the most significant.

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That I would pick as a favorite. I think we're going to talk about it fairly shortly.

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It's quite possibly goth opera because the novel adaptations were such a big part of my

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early big finish listing. I got into big finish 2015 end of 2015 started 2016. And the novel

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adaptations were sort of at their height around about then, if I remember. So I listened to a

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lot of those the likes of all consuming fire and cold fusion was a big one. It was great to hear

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those because I cannot bear the thought of trying to track down these novels via eBay and pay for

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them. I've got very one or two. You got like I went and got all consuming fire because I

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flipping love Doctor Who and Sherlock Holmes. And I thought, yes, I need that novel. But I

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don't particularly feel the need to go out and buy like a whole set of Virgin New Adventures

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because the thought of having to track them all down terrifies me. So I'm always delighted to get

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these adaptations. And goth opera was actually the only one that I've ever read before I've

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listened to the adaptation. I listened. I got goth opera a couple of years ago. And it was the only

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one that I was in any way familiar with before I listened to the big finish version. So it was nice

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setting a listing going, oh, I recognize that or oh, they've changed that bit.

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So I think I would pick it as my as my favorite from this year so far anyway, since we've been away.

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And that's fair enough. I it's definitely a good one. It's definitely up there. I mean, I'm just

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I'm scrolling through the app because I've thought about this so many times and come out with

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something slightly different each time. I think I am going to have to settle on Morbius the Mighty.

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War Doctor. Yeah, I really, really enjoyed it. And it, it wasn't, it wasn't big or clever. It was just

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let's go to war. It was just nice and simple, vengeance filled Morbius going after the War

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Doctor with the Time War as a backdrop. And it held the Daleks back towards the I mean, the Daleks

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had to be in it. There's no way they weren't going to do Morbius versus Daleks versus the Doctor. And

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like Morbius having a pop at the Daleks was quite a lot of fun. But they held that back to the last

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episode. The first episode was pretty much just Morbius coming back and strengthening himself.

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The second episode was him going after the Doctor and them having a bit of a confrontation. And

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then the third episode just threw the Daleks into it. It was just a really nicely, a really nicely

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structured set that did something really well with actually quite a simple and basic idea like

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there's the Doctor, there's somebody that wants the Doctor dead, let's do it.

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Yeah, I really enjoyed that. And it was great to listen to around the Morbius Dark Gallifrey series

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as well, which I have to admit, I did not enjoy on the first listen. I listened to one and two

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and just kind of went, oh, no, no, I'm not getting this. I'm not clicking with this.

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And somebody said to me, re-listen to it before the third one comes out, re-listen to it.

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And then you can listen to one, two and three as a whole. And I did. I listened to the whole series

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as a whole in one day. And it just clicked. I just got it. And it was really weird how parts one and

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two just did not click with me the first time around. And the second time listening to them as

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a full series, it all just fell into place. And I don't think I've ever sort of turned around my

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opinion on a new release so quickly before. So it was great to have that. And then it was great to

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have Morbius The Mighty, which just, it thematically linked to it. And whether the release

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schedule has just kind of worked out quite nicely there, or whether it was a deliberate decision to

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kind of have a lot of Morbius all at once. Well, it was a direct sequel, wasn't it? I haven't heard

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the Morbius Dark Gallifrey series, but I have heard Morbius The Mighty and it is a direct sequel to

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the Dark Gallifrey run, isn't it? It's, I mean, it's a direct sequel to anything that's had Morbius

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in before, really. It's, yeah, it's very much Morbius is really annoyed with the Doctor because

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of Brain and Vengeance and Dark Gallifrey. Let's just really go for it. Like I say, it was just a

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really simple idea done well. And it reminded me that, you know, we were going to have a

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series of characters that were going to be really, really complicated. And it reminded me that,

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you know, we don't need to be big and clever. We don't need to be timey-wimey and overly complicated.

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Actually, just a really, really straightforward, this character wants that character dead kind of

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scenario can work very well in Doctor Who. So yeah, that was, I found it to be a really, really

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interesting, when I look through the list of stuff we've had, I mean, that's not to do down a lot of

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other stuff. I really enjoyed New River Song. I really enjoyed Starcross, which was also New

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River Song and, you know, various other bits. Goth Opera was fantastic. I mean, I want the novel

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adaptations to come back. I want there to be one a month until they have done everything, literally

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like, give me the rubbish ones. I don't care. I just want all of them. I want a full set.

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And when you think of some of the stuff that they've not done, like, give me,

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give me that. What's the trilogy with kind of those all-time twins in it? I know there's a

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couple with the Six Doctor. Is the first one Scales of Injustice? It might be.

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I have absolutely no idea.

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I can't remember. Well, it's Business Unusual and Instruments of Darkness, which are both

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six Doctor books, but they are sequels to an MA and I can't remember what it is.

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Was it Spiral Scratch?

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Was that part of it?

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No, no, that wasn't part of it, but that was a thing. But I just sort of think, you know,

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take the ones that aren't so popular, that aren't so well remembered and just

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see what you can do with them. I'd actually rather them try to adapt something that's a little bit,

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a little bit less beloved, just to see if they can, they can do something with the adaptation,

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just to see if it works better on audio or, or anything like that. Because

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while you're going back and just adapting the classics, you're not going to hit the nail on

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the head in the way that the books do, if that makes sense. They're lovely to have, they're great,

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don't get me wrong. And like I say, I will take any novel adaptation, big finish one to throw at me.

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I must admit that I'm a fan of the way they've handled some of them because of adapting them

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because of adapting them as single stories. Am I right in saying Damaged Goods originally,

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the book sits in the middle of a trilogy? Is that right?

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I think so, yeah.

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And the changes they make for the audio version, I really liked, because it came out just as they

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got the rights to the new series. I don't think I knew that they had got those rights fully at that

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point. I'm not sure. But I got Damaged Goods at Christmas 2015. And I got that because it was

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a Russell T. Davies story. And I thought that's great for me. And you're listening through to it.

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And there's that really, it's really well done. It's the reveal they do about Torchwood.

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Torchwood replaced the villains of that trilogy. And that's great. That makes it standalone. It

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ties it in. For a new series fan coming in, I think Damaged Goods is the best place to start

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a big finish because it's so new series-y. And you suddenly do get this Torchwood drop,

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and then the time work gets worked in a wee bit later on. That was beautifully done, I think,

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as far as adapting a story goes, to take one set of villains and replace them with this other

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really super recognizable bunch. I thought that was great. Maybe people who read the original

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book thought it was sacrilege. I thought it was great. I do absolutely love that. But I also

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think they're absolute cowards for not making it The Forge. Not that it makes any sense to do so.

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I would have been sitting there. I can't remember when I listened. I think I'd listened to that on

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Boxing Day or something like that that year. I would have been sitting there going, who?

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And instead I was going, oh my God, it's Torchwood. Well, dragging the conversation back to

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Goth Opera then, which was our first novel adaptation for absolutely years. I don't get

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the whole, well, they never sold very well thing because everybody seems to love them. Everybody

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that I've ever talked to about Big Finish has kind of gone, yeah, I love the novel adaptations. They

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need to do more. It's the most in demand thing to come back except perhaps Frobisher.

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Oh, such a sore point with Frobisher. I think they probably sold about as well as any other

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Big Finish sells, which wasn't enough to cover the costs of making them. Because there's like,

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if you look at the cast of Goth Opera, even it's absolutely stacked and it's a big three hour play,

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you know, they do require a larger cast. I think there was a bit more doubling up with

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Goth Opera than the other ones. Maybe they're trying to cut down on the production side of it

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a wee bit, you know, the production costs. But I really enjoyed it. I thought it was great.

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Yeah. No, I see what you mean. It was a huge cast and I think it did it well. It's funny

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because it's one of those books that's just so well beloved throughout fandom that even though

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I've never read it, I kind of knew the gist of it already. Like there was nothing in there that

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surprised me. I do kind of wish they'd have done whatever the new adventure is that it ties into

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as well. Blood Harvest. Blood Harvest. It's the seventh Doctor and it comes first and then Goth

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Opera comes after. And that's it. Goth Opera, it felt like it was a sequel. It felt like

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I've missed something here because I've not had Blood Harvest, which wasn't a problem. Like at

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no point did it take me out the story because again, you know, I've got the fandom perspective

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of I know it links to another story. I know that this is taking place during or after other events.

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But yeah, it was good. It was a great release. It was a lot of fun. I did find the stuff with

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the theme music and there were just a few little productiony things in there that seemed a little

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bit strange. And I actually have they altered them now? I haven't heard the new version, but I

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understand they have. And I have to be completely honest, I think it was a mistake to do so. I

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actually really liked the different way the theme was used because the music was done to tie into

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it. If you listen to the soundtrack and the build up to certainly the first Cliffhanger,

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it has been arranged to tie in with the opening version of the theme. Yeah, absolutely. If it has

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been changed, which I suspect it has, my honest opinion is that it should not have been.

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I thought it worked really well. I thought it was something different. I also, it gave it a

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little bit more of a, I guess a cinematic quality. It felt more like this is the fifth Dr. Nisser and

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Teagan, the movie, as opposed to this is just another story. Yes. You can make an argument

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that it was different for differences sake. I think it worked pretty well. I think it was

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pretty well. I liked that it made this feel like something out of the ordinary because it is,

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it's a novel adaptation. It's not your average run of the mill, big finish, Dr. Who. And I liked

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that it had these wee things to market it as a slightly alternative thing. I saw a lot of

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people complaining, oh, they've used the door sounds wrong. That's not on, et cetera, et cetera.

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The only argument I get for that is that this is an audio drama and yes, the door opening sound of

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the TARDIS notes them going outside. And yes, you sort of do need, that's important on audio, I think.

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It sounds good. It's a good sound. And you, I think there's enough cues, you know, for you to

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understand that they're still inside the TARDIS. I know this is getting into a really nitty gritty

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thing, but a lot of people, certainly from what I saw, talked more about this stuff than they did

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about goth opera as a story. And I know there was a lot of complaints and I am sad that Big Finish

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did change it in response to those because I thought it worked well and I liked it.

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I mean, it's like, it's Big Finish's own release, The Snyder Cutters, isn't it?

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Pretty much. Do you know what makes me sad more than anything else? It was, I think this was a

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deliberate artistic choice by the director or the sound designer. I think, you know, probably the

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director, not sure. But I think it was a deliberate choice. The soundtrack, as I said, builds up to

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the theme being used in the way that it is. And I'm sad that it was changed for the sake of this

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slavish accuracy to 1981. And the first mistake is they're adapting a book from the mid-90s.

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Yeah. But this isn't 1980s Doctor Who, this is 1990s Doctor Who. Yeah. So it can be different.

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I thought the original version, which I have on CD, I haven't replaced the discs. They sent me discs

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out and I wish they hadn't. But, you know, they sent me the replacement discs, as I said, I really

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wish that they hadn't done that because I'm not going to listen to them. I like the original

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version as is. I'm sad that I can't get the original version now as a download. I wish they

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had kept that even as a bonus release that you could listen to the original version as intended.

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I'm pretty sad that it got changed, as I said, just for the sake of being really slavishly

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accurate to 1981 or 1982 or whenever it's big finished, I think it was meant to have been produced.

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See, I'm going to go back and listen to it now to see just how heavily it has been changed.

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I had no problems with it listening to it the first time around at all. And it is kind of a shame

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that that original version may now be lost, which makes me wish I'd just downloaded it on day one

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as opposed to apt it. But we'll talk more about the app in a bit.

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Well, yes, because I know we've talked about a lot of the problems with Goth Opera, but the story

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itself is great. I love it. It's a nice, refreshing, not London centric classic Doctor Who story,

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set in Manchester and it automatically has a different feel for it. It's playing in the

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whole vampire realm, which I don't think Doctor Who does quite enough. Certainly not as part of

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run of the mill Doctor Who and not the likes of Time Lord Victorious or whatever, just as a big

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special thing. I like Doctor Who delving into that side of things. So I really enjoyed it. I thought

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it was great to hear this version of a story I already knew and enjoyed. I just really liked it,

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as I say, probably my favourite release of the year. Really, really good.

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Excellent stuff. Yeah, I did thoroughly enjoy it. And it was, I was looking forward to it. I have

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to admit that I've had so much to listen to, Doctor Who and otherwise recently, that I've not

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really had the time to anticipate new releases and have kind of gone, oh, that's coming out and it's

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going to interrupt listening to this instead. But this was one that I was very much like, no,

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the day this comes out, I'm getting it downloaded and I'm getting it listened to. I really can't

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wait for this one. And it did not let me down in the slightest. And I'm going to argue that

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the Doctor and Nissa did a load of repairs on the TARDIS leading up to Ark of Infinity.

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And TARDIS doors are meant to make that noise and they repaired that. And then Tegan rejoined them

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in a few adventures, including Gothopper happened. And then for some reason, the TARDIS doors stopped

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making the noise again, because the TARDIS got broken again. There we go. Tegan broken.

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Tegan broke it even better. There we go. Sorted. Done. There we go. Right. Come on,

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big finish. We'll have the original version back now, please. God, can you imagine the reaction

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of these people when they watched The Five Doctors and the ending theme was a little bit different?

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Oh, I'm just very done with the whole approach of this isn't exactly like how I remember. I'm

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not going to like this. You know, we're not making Doctor Who in 1970X or 1980X. We're making Doctor

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Who in 2024, soon to be 2025. Make Doctor Who for today. Yes, absolutely. Couldn't agree more.

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I think that's something our next release for discussion has done, which is the CODA,

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the sort of final once and future release that's come over a year after the last one.

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And I mean, once in future, we'll talk about another time. It wasn't as well received as perhaps

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a lot of people would have hoped, but I think there's still some absolutely fantastic stuff

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to find in there. But I think CODA might be the strongest release of the lot. And I can't work out

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whether I genuinely do think it's the strongest release of the lot. It's definitely a contender,

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or whether I just think Jo Martin is so amazing that you could hand her anything and she's going

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00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,280
to turn it into some of the best Doctor Who you've ever heard. I completely agree with what you say

377
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,960
about it being the best of the once and futures. I thought it was good to end that series on a high.

378
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:08,480
Jo Martin, I'm really, really excited for Jo Martin coming to Big Finish because obviously

379
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:16,880
we did not get enough of her on TV. One of the best things about the Chibnall era, and she was,

380
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:24,080
how many, what was it, four on screen credits? And three of those were she was only, three of those,

381
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,440
she was only on screen for three minutes. Three of those were basically cameos. Yeah.

382
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:33,600
Yeah. So brilliant that she managed to make such an impact in such a short period of time. And I'm

383
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:41,360
glad now she's getting to expand on that through Big Finish. That's brilliant. And I think,

384
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:46,960
looking back, like even in David Tennant and Christopher Eccleston's case, I think it took

385
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,280
them an episode or two to settle back into the roles and get their voices back. Jo Martin,

386
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,760
straight in, I thought she was exactly the same. She wasn't the same. She was a little bit more

387
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:01,680
reserved. She was exactly the same. She wasn't TV. I thought she was fantastic, instantly nailed

388
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,960
her own role again. I don't think this was a case of her finding her feet. I think she stuck the

389
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:14,160
lantern and I think she was excellent. And a real thrill to hear this, it's a new version of The

390
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:21,120
Doctor on audio. You always get that excitement whenever you're here listening to

391
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,520
to a new doctor coming to Big Finish.

392
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,400
And in my case, I think that's only happened

393
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,360
with David Tennant and Christopher Eccleston,

394
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,800
as they say, I can't, I don't think there's any others

395
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,800
have joined Big Finish in the time

396
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,120
that I've been listening to them.

397
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,440
So hooray, Joe Martin's here.

398
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,880
Jacob Dudman is furious with you.

399
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:41,720
Doesn't count.

400
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:48,040
But do you know what I mean?

401
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,480
It's great to be sitting down listening,

402
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,280
oh my God, it's that person off the telly

403
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,200
and they're here, they've joined the party.

404
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,000
And we're gonna get that again with Jodie Whittaker.

405
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,040
And I'm really looking forward to that.

406
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,960
But I think Joe Martin is this.

407
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,720
And I'm glad that she got a nice big focus episode in CODA.

408
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:05,080
Yeah, quite right.

409
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,680
Because it's kind of a, I don't know,

410
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,960
it's sort of a looking to the future thing.

411
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,200
From a Big Finish point of view,

412
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,920
like, you know, we've got loads of adventures

413
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,720
with this whole brand new undiscovered doctor coming up.

414
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:19,720
So here she is as part of the 60th anniversary celebrations

415
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,800
as she should be, even if it came out on the 61st anniversary

416
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,880
or the day before the 61st anniversary.

417
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,200
But yeah, great.

418
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,480
And I'm really, really looking forward to,

419
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:32,320
is it next month?

420
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,160
Is it January?

421
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,640
Yeah, yeah, it is a sort of far away at all.

422
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:37,880
And they're tied in as well,

423
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,600
because there's a bit at the end where she realizes

424
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,560
she's being followed by Cosmo,

425
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:46,440
who is Alice Krej's character from the Joe,

426
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,080
you know, from the Fugitive Doctor series.

427
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,000
So they tied it in.

428
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,920
It's brilliant that they got this all done at the same time.

429
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,120
Yeah, this is very much our starting point.

430
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,560
I do think we should come back to Once and Future.

431
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,960
I think that we should do an episode on Once and Future,

432
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:03,480
because I'm going to re-listen to it relatively soon.

433
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,320
I've just finished a run through.

434
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,520
I did it in the late up to CODA coming out.

435
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,360
And I think it's probably a universal truth,

436
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,080
a big finish, because of the way they release stuff,

437
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,600
you know, monthly.

438
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:16,440
Yeah.

439
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,800
In so many cases like this, I think it's,

440
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,040
you know, we said this before as well

441
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,720
about the Fifth Doctor 40.

442
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,560
It's much better to listen to this as one series,

443
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,320
because I think I got more out of it this time

444
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,280
than I did on first listen.

445
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,960
But that's not to say I think it's a work of art.

446
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,880
I certainly think the series had its problems,

447
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,240
but CODA was a great ending.

448
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:40,400
I think it really did end on a high.

449
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,400
Just a great story.

450
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,000
And the perfect, it's one of the few cases

451
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,960
in Once and Future, I'm looking at the two main characters

452
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,040
who've been put together and said,

453
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,280
actually that makes tons of sense

454
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,400
for those characters to meet,

455
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,600
and you know, for this to be a battle

456
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,720
between the Fugitive Doctor and the War Doctor,

457
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,320
the two forgotten incarnations,

458
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:08,320
the two slightly more not business as usual incarnations.

459
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,120
Well, I'm definitely expecting to get a lot more out of it,

460
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,720
listening to it as one big run.

461
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,880
So yeah, I'm looking forward to that.

462
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,080
And I'm going to listen to it

463
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,760
as part of the War Doctor's timeline.

464
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,520
So it's my intention to kind of try

465
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,680
and do the time war in order if such a thing is possible.

466
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,080
So I'll be starting with sort of the classic Doctor,

467
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,480
new monsters, Eighth Doctor stories,

468
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,320
where he's just sort of on the edge of it

469
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:40,920
and not quite there yet.

470
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,840
And then I'll go into the Eighth Doctor time war,

471
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,920
and then I'll go through the regeneration

472
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,080
and follow it that way with stops off

473
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,400
for the War Master and Gallifrey and all that kind of thing.

474
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,280
But Once and Future is going to fit quite nicely in there.

475
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,920
I think I've put it after War Doctor begins,

476
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,960
like after the six sets.

477
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,080
Yeah.

478
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,400
So we'll see what happens there.

479
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,240
I was going to say,

480
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:05,480
I think that's probably the perfect place for it

481
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,800
is between War Doctor begins and War Doctor rises.

482
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,160
Let's talk about one more big finish release

483
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,800
that we have had before we move on to,

484
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,400
well, before we end even.

485
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,520
And that is Stuff of Legend,

486
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,840
which is big finish doing something a bit different.

487
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,040
They did this as a live recording.

488
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:27,880
I never got there.

489
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,720
I never went to the live recording.

490
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:32,160
Don't think you did, did you?

491
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,000
I wish I had.

492
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:33,960
I wish I could have made it,

493
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,080
but just the time it was announced,

494
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,080
it was only announced like a month and a half

495
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,200
before it was due to happen.

496
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,600
And it just was not enough time

497
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,760
to book flights over to England.

498
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,120
Yeah.

499
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,760
Whereas I just had 700,000 million things on

500
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,440
and unfortunately wasn't even able to think about it.

501
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,520
But I do know people who have been there.

502
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,720
They said it was, who were there even,

503
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:58,520
they said it was absolutely fantastic.

504
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,320
At this point of recording,

505
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,080
this is another one of those,

506
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,400
when we record, it's not out,

507
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,800
but I suspect by the time this episode is online,

508
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,240
it will.

509
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:11,200
We've got the live version actually to be released.

510
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,840
So everything I'm talking about here

511
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,200
is based off the studio version

512
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,840
that they released on the same day

513
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,440
that the live recordings went ahead.

514
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,600
And I really enjoyed it.

515
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:28,600
It was just a nice traditional four-part Dr. Who story,

516
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,000
Dr. Who story, Eighth Doctor and Charlie.

517
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,240
And okay, yes, Master and the Daleks were there.

518
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:36,560
That was a little bit big and over the top.

519
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,760
But of course it had to have the Master and the Daleks in.

520
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,640
It's a special, you know,

521
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,560
designed for live recording story.

522
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,360
But ultimately it's just a really nice,

523
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,280
solid traditional slice of Dr. Who.

524
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,480
It took me right back to when I first listened

525
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,440
to the Eighth Doctor and Charlie stuff.

526
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,960
I would say it fits in perfectly,

527
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,400
but apparently some people have been getting wound up

528
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,040
about Charlie knowing what Daleks are continuity error.

529
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,240
Don't care at all.

530
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:07,600
It was just, it was fun.

531
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,480
It was just nice to kind of celebrate Dr. Who a bit,

532
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,280
listen to something that was a little bit bigger

533
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,480
and a little bit more special,

534
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,120
but ultimately fit very nicely into an era

535
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,520
that I really, really enjoy revisiting.

536
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,840
What about you?

537
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,280
I loved it.

538
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,080
So I, again, I'm in the same position.

539
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,640
I've heard the studio version

540
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,160
and I believe there's one or two differences

541
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,840
just in terms of cast members.

542
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,960
I really liked it.

543
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,400
I'm a big fan of them doing just really light,

544
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,520
breezy stories that you can listen to,

545
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,080
you know, not as part of a run.

546
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,560
So I'm always glad to get this sort of thing.

547
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,040
We know words that we too are

548
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,280
blitz through of a Dr. Who story.

549
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,800
And I'm very happy.

550
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,120
You know, I think if you're going to see Dr. Who on stage

551
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,400
in any form, you sort of want a big iconic villain or two.

552
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,920
And in that case, it's, in this case,

553
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,200
it's the master and the Daleks and hurrah.

554
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,400
Yeah, perfect choices.

555
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,760
Don't care that it doesn't fit into the continuity

556
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:12,600
just so neatly.

557
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,040
I do not care a jot

558
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:20,040
because that's not the point of this sort of thing.

559
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,360
When you're going to see something on stage like Dr. Who,

560
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,840
you want to see them with a big iconic villain.

561
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:27,760
And then in this case,

562
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,160
the choice of the Daleks and the master and brilliant choice.

563
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,840
If you're going to see Paul McGann on stage and you know,

564
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,680
there's a master going to be in it for a big Finnish fan,

565
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,240
you want that to be Alex McQueen.

566
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:39,000
And I'm glad he came back.

567
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,480
I think his appearances have been far too few

568
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:42,640
and far between.

569
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,560
So hurrah, he came back.

570
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:45,400
Brilliant.

571
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:52,320
I think judging from what I've seen of the live performance

572
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,760
it looked like a pretty special occasion.

573
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,000
Paul McGann on stage as the doctor in his costume

574
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,520
from Now to the Doctor.

575
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,680
There's a video trailer they released from it,

576
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,160
which the BBC actually put out

577
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,600
rather than Big Finish themselves.

578
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,160
And it was taken from material recorded at the event.

579
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,600
And there's a few shots of Paul McGann and India Fisher

580
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,240
as the doctor and Charlie coming out of the TARDIS,

581
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:17,280
coming out of the police box doors,

582
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,120
standing at the TARDIS console.

583
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,960
And it's the classic console.

584
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,800
It's not the Paul McGann one, but I don't care.

585
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,720
It's the doctor and Charlie.

586
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:27,800
It's the first time we've seen the doctor and Charlie

587
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,080
on a screen at the controls of the TARDIS.

588
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,240
And it looked, just those few seconds of that

589
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:37,000
in that wee trailer is pure magic to me.

590
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,160
Just make the bloody series, Russell.

591
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,320
Just do it now.

592
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,920
That's the long and short of it.

593
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,560
But you know, looking back at that,

594
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,120
I was just like, oh my God, that's the doctor and Charlie.

595
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,560
I'm seeing the two of them in character for the first time.

596
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,720
You know, I have heard the trailer for the live version.

597
00:49:58,720 --> 00:49:59,760
And I think that sounds,

598
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,560
I honestly don't think I'm going to hear,

599
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:03,800
I'm not going to get the live version.

600
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,200
I've bought the story once already.

601
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,760
I don't need to buy it again.

602
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,960
But like there's the line in there.

603
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,800
There's the wee Whistlin and I reference there.

604
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:11,800
He says, oh, Charlie,

605
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,400
we've accidentally gone on holiday by mistake.

606
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:15,920
And that's in the trailer.

607
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,000
And it got such a cheer from the crowd.

608
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,320
Can you imagine being in that room

609
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,320
for all those wee jokes and stuff like that?

610
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,240
That would have been brilliant.

611
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:25,160
So I hope they do more.

612
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,640
I hope there's a slightly longer period,

613
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,160
you know, of an announcement for it

614
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,360
that I can actually get over to the next one.

615
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,640
So I hope they do more.

616
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,200
I think it's a great idea.

617
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,720
And I would love to get the one.

618
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:44,120
I think they look like a lot of fun.

619
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,880
And if they do it with Paul McGahn, that would be great.

620
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,640
If they do it with other doctors, that's also great.

621
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,960
I think this sort of thing should be spread around

622
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,600
and we should be able to see the old doctors on stage

623
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,160
if the actors are ready and willing to do so.

624
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,160
I think they should give us VIP.

625
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,400
We should just be able to rock up

626
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,680
and go Johnson and Conor, spodcast.

627
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:07,680
That would be nice.

628
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,080
But I think we're dreaming.

629
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,320
I think we are.

630
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,080
That is not why we do this.

631
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:19,080
But yeah, no, I'd be really tempted to go to something,

632
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:22,600
but I agree with you.

633
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,760
I think I just need a little bit more notice.

634
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,720
And also just something Big Finish

635
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:31,280
might not be aware of actually.

636
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,520
There are other bits of the UK, better bits than London.

637
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,880
So you could come and come here.

638
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,440
Actually, my only issue with the whole thing

639
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,720
is that I think they probably could have,

640
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,160
I will not buy an audio recording of the live one,

641
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,080
not for I think the price that's being charged for it.

642
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,680
I would buy a video recording of it.

643
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,560
I think I would love to see this thing.

644
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:00,520
And obviously they recorded it

645
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:01,960
because they've done the video trailer for it.

646
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,080
I wish they would release a live video recording

647
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,040
because I would buy that.

648
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,840
Yeah, I'd love a DVD release or a Blu-ray release

649
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,400
or a just send me the video file for a tenner release,

650
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,240
whatever.

651
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:15,600
I'd just, yeah, I'd quite like to see it.

652
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,320
I'd quite like to see the video.

653
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,200
I'd quite like the visual of that one.

654
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:23,400
Yeah, for sure.

655
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,880
Because as you say, we've bought the story

656
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,320
and heard the story already.

657
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,440
And I fully appreciate that a live recording

658
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:34,120
is entirely different to something done in a studio.

659
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:39,040
I'm a vinyl collector and there's a lot of that.

660
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:44,040
But yeah, I think really I'd want to see

661
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,240
what went on for me to buy that one.

662
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:50,920
Either that or give it a year or two

663
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,360
and they'll stick it on a sale and I'll just go,

664
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,080
oh yeah, I've not heard that for a couple of years.

665
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,120
It'll be interesting to listen to the other version.

666
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,440
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

667
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,280
If it goes on sale then I'm gonna absolutely

668
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,080
see myself getting it.

669
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,280
Yeah, totally.

670
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,480
I'm certainly never not going to get it,

671
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:07,920
but I'm certainly not gonna get it

672
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,880
when it comes out in the next couple of weeks

673
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,760
purely because I've got the studio version

674
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:16,280
and I don't have that while I was there connection.

675
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,960
If it was there, I'd have it like a shot, but there we go.

676
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:24,880
So one more thing to talk about

677
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,720
and then we will wrap up our first episode back.

678
00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:28,560
We're not done.

679
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,480
We're gonna do when we were,

680
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,320
while we were away again part two

681
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,040
because there's so much we wanna talk about.

682
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,680
Like we still wanna talk about what we know is coming up

683
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:38,680
across the next year.

684
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,600
We wanna talk about some other stories that we've enjoyed

685
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,880
such as Trials of a Time Lord, Time War Reflections

686
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,840
like the Eighth Doctor's had a really good Time War set too.

687
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,160
Going to those Lost Stories a little bit more.

688
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,760
But there is one,

689
00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:00,520
there is one elephant filled room.

690
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,640
That we've strolled past a couple of times

691
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,280
and not over heads into.

692
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,080
To be perfectly honest,

693
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,400
this thing has genuinely completely changed

694
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,600
the way I listen to Big Finish forever.

695
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,120
That this is, I've always used the Big Finish app.

696
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,680
I've always gone to the Big Finish app.

697
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,400
I've always filled the Big Finish app

698
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,360
with playlists and running orders and scrolled through it

699
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,080
and spent time going, oh, well, does this link to that?

700
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,360
Could this be a marathon?

701
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,200
How does that work?

702
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,640
And the Big Finish app,

703
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,880
just went, just.

704
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,640
It's not even that it just went,

705
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,240
it was an entirely self-inflicted went.

706
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:45,560
Yeah.

707
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:49,400
But it was almost like the Big Finish app

708
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,360
shot itself in the foot and went,

709
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,320
no, that didn't hurt enough.

710
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,520
Bang, nope, still not hurting enough.

711
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,880
But it just kept shooting itself in the foot.

712
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,120
Like it just, what was it doing?

713
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,520
So I know that so much of this

714
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,240
was outside of Big Finish's hands.

715
00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:06,800
I know. Oh, absolutely.

716
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,200
Yeah. This was, I think this was a case of them

717
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,440
being let down by their IT contractors.

718
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,960
I don't believe for a second

719
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,360
that Nick Briggs has sat down and developed an app.

720
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,920
I think this is very definitely a case of them

721
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,640
being let down by people who are not in Big Finish itself,

722
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,600
but have been contracted to make this website an app for them.

723
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,640
But I think from Big Finish's point of view,

724
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:39,880
I think the quality checks on it just didn't happen full stop.

725
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,880
I don't believe for a second that someone at Big Finish

726
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,320
actually sat down with the new app

727
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,320
and actually used it before it was sent out to us all.

728
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,040
Because if they had, this would not have all happened.

729
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,120
And it was the fact then,

730
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,040
so it was aggravating that the old app was taken away

731
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,760
and the new one was put on and we had to use it

732
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,640
and it just full stop didn't work.

733
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,240
It was unusable.

734
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:04,640
It was the fact that we then rolled back

735
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,920
and people were missing their library

736
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,200
and people were missing out on,

737
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,760
you know, like new releases weren't syncing in.

738
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,640
Stuff like that, you know, I think was pretty shoddy.

739
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,840
They have since, you know, made all the right noises

740
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,240
and given all the right apologies

741
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:29,840
and brought back the app and gone it working again.

742
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:34,040
I felt really scared in those,

743
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,360
what was it, like Fortnite or three weeks?

744
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,440
It was longer than that.

745
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,520
I think overall, I think it was a month

746
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:46,240
before anything relatively concrete happened.

747
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:48,720
It was a long time.

748
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:51,880
It was a long enough time to get the app back to the state

749
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,360
that it was once in, that it was usable.

750
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:57,120
It's still not entirely there

751
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,920
because it takes a really long time to rebuild your library.

752
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:02,960
Whenever you, you know, pull down and refresh

753
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,360
for a new release, it takes a solid minute or so

754
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,080
for it to pull anything through at least,

755
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:10,280
which it didn't used to do.

756
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,520
It used to be straight away.

757
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,960
But obviously it's better than it was.

758
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,880
And as I said, I know a lot of this was outside

759
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,440
of Big Finish's hands.

760
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:23,240
I didn't, I went on full cold turkey, Big Finish.

761
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,960
I went to BBC signs for three or four weeks

762
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,200
and listened to the likes of Sherlock Holmes

763
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,880
with Clive Morrison and Charles Parris mysteries.

764
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:32,720
That was great.

765
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,200
It was nice to get a wee bit of a break actually

766
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,880
and listen to something that wasn't Doctor Who.

767
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,040
Oh, we need to do a Charles Parris episode.

768
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,680
Like just forget Doctor Who for a week.

769
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,680
Let's just talk about Charles Parris mysteries.

770
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:44,640
They're amazing.

771
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,480
Yeah, I just, I was really disappointed

772
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:49,520
and I was really let down.

773
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,800
And I actually thought this is pretty serious enough

774
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,440
that I think Big Finish may possibly have just terminally

775
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:58,920
shot themselves in the foot.

776
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,720
There's something that they may not actually recover from.

777
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,680
And to the extent that I went out and bought a hard drive

778
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,640
and I have been loading it up with,

779
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,240
my Big Finish library,

780
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,400
I've been doing what they've told us to do all along,

781
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,440
which is to make a copy for ourselves

782
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,920
and not rely on the app.

783
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:17,880
And I hadn't done that.

784
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,960
So I just, I know you could download the stuff

785
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,480
from the website, but when you're used to the app

786
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,080
being this ultra convenient way of accessing your library,

787
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,640
I have, you know, I didn't have anything on hand.

788
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,320
I know I could have sat down and used the website,

789
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,880
but the website itself was pretty unusable

790
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,200
because you couldn't filter or sort through at all.

791
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,520
So I, as I say, have now done

792
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,000
what they've told us to do all along,

793
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,080
which is I've gone out and bought a wee external drive.

794
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,320
And I've been using that exclusively

795
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,800
just to hold my Big Finish library.

796
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,200
I haven't got everything on to it yet.

797
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,360
I'm chipping away at that slowly,

798
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,000
but I don't want to end up in a position again

799
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,600
where, you know, we can't use the app.

800
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,600
And the library is not conveniently accessible

801
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,480
because I've spent far too much money and time

802
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:07,840
building that up over the years.

803
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,080
And I do not want to lose it again.

804
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,440
And for those few weeks, I genuinely did not think

805
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:14,840
that was the first time I've ever thought,

806
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,120
right, Big Finish is actually not going to be around forever.

807
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,160
I need to get this sorted,

808
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,520
but I do not lose out on all of these stories.

809
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,920
Yeah, I thought it was pretty poor,

810
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,320
but since it's happened, they've made the right noises.

811
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,680
We've been given free stories, which is, you know,

812
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,520
hurrah stories we thought we'd never get,

813
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,560
the likes of the four doctors and the five companions.

814
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,760
Free stories that were genuinely a gap in my collection

815
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,480
in the case of four doctors, yeah.

816
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,280
As apologies to your customers go,

817
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,720
I think that's a pretty strong one.

818
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,160
So I'm happy enough with that.

819
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:49,760
I think they've recovered well from it.

820
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,920
And they are to be given all the congratulations for it.

821
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,600
It's just a shame that it happened in the first place.

822
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,520
I think, I mean, the main thing that concerns me

823
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,640
is we're going to end up in a situation

824
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,400
at some point in the future,

825
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,640
probably relatively soon where they go,

826
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,640
right, we're trying that new app again.

827
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,280
And they had better be really, really certain

828
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,920
that it is exceptionally ready to go.

829
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,920
I, for me, it has to have the features the current app does.

830
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,520
It cannot launch again before that point.

831
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,360
Because you couldn't play this properly.

832
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,920
You couldn't, it was really shoddy for trying to switch

833
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,840
between what you downloaded, what you'd purchased,

834
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:31,680
all that sort of thing.

835
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,280
The buttons just didn't work the way they should have done.

836
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,360
So I will not be happy with the new app

837
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,400
until it's released with the exact same functionality

838
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,320
that the current one has.

839
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,800
So I've, I mean, you say you started to back up

840
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,840
your collection and that kind of thing.

841
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:54,440
I've kind of taken that a step further, I guess.

842
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:59,440
So I've taught myself an awful lot through doing this,

843
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,680
but I have set up an audio bookshelf server,

844
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,600
which is, I'm hosting from a Raspberry Pi,

845
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,720
a tiny computer for those of you

846
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,160
who don't know what a Raspberry Pi is.

847
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,560
So what I've done is I've,

848
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,600
I'm still in the process of doing this.

849
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,360
It's a very long, slow process,

850
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,680
but I'm downloading Big Finish.

851
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:26,680
I am backing it up on the micro SD that's in this Raspberry Pi

852
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,480
and I am cataloging it.

853
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,000
And it's all accessible to me

854
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,480
through the audio bookshelf app.

855
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,080
So it's kind of like the Big Finish app,

856
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,640
except I control what goes on there.

857
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,560
So whenever there's a new release,

858
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,600
I've actually now managed to set up a Python script.

859
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,040
I don't know the first thing about Python,

860
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,680
but chat GPT is a wonderful thing.

861
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,800
I've managed to set up a Python script

862
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,120
that will automatically download a new Big Finish release

863
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,440
based on my RSS feed, stick it on there.

864
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,760
And all I need to do is just put in

865
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,200
which range it belongs to.

866
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:02,920
And that's it, boom, it's on there,

867
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,720
ready to download at the end of the day.

868
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,280
So, and I'm really happy this has happened.

869
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,240
Like I'm not doing it because the Big Finish app

870
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:14,440
let me down over summer.

871
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,000
I was in Florida and all of a sudden

872
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,760
I didn't have Big Finish to play with.

873
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,880
So I'm not doing it because of that at all.

874
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,560
It's genuinely something I've always liked the idea of doing,

875
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,480
but not only have I got my Big Finish library,

876
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,360
which is I'm actually alarmed at how massive it is.

877
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,400
It's far, far bigger than I actually thought it was

878
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:34,720
now that I'm actually going through it

879
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,120
or downloading it all and cataloging it all.

880
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:43,200
But it's not only backed up, it's there and available

881
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,600
on an app that actually gives me a lot more control

882
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,280
over how I listen to, what I listen to,

883
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,080
how I playlist and so on than the Big Finish app did.

884
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:54,520
And I've got other stuff on there as well.

885
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,720
It's not just Big Finish I'm using this for.

886
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,360
I've got loads of audio books, other audio dramas,

887
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:03,280
stuff I've built up over years.

888
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,640
Lord of the Rings is all on there, BBC radio's

889
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,720
Lord of the Rings, which is just exceptional.

890
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,240
And it's all available to me in the same way

891
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,240
that my Big Finish library has been available to me

892
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:14,080
on the Big Finish app.

893
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,360
I'm really happy that I've done this.

894
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:21,360
So this is something good that's come out of the app fiasco

895
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,440
on a personal level at any rate.

896
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:27,000
So this is how I'm gonna do it from now on.

897
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,280
Like sometimes it's a bit easier just to download

898
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,400
on the app and listen to a new release

899
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,040
if I want it in a hurry, but if I've got five minutes

900
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,800
to just make sure it's on the server, okay,

901
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:38,880
I've got that instead.

902
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:44,000
So yeah, that's a positive thing to come out of it

903
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,320
because I've learned an awful lot about getting it set up

904
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,520
and all that kind of thing.

905
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,120
And yeah, it's quite good.

906
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:52,640
That's how I'll be going from now on.

907
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,360
Yeah, I completely, 100% agree.

908
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,920
That it sounds like a great project

909
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,360
and fair play to you for doing it.

910
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:02,680
I'm still using the app

911
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,920
because I'm not so technically minded,

912
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:09,360
but as I said, Big Finish have recovered from this

913
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:10,520
really, really well.

914
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:11,360
They did the right thing.

915
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:12,200
They brought the old app back.

916
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,160
They brought the old website back

917
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,880
and they have given us lots of free stuff

918
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,640
and made lots of nice apologies.

919
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,160
So a hundred percent they have recovered really well.

920
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,400
I do not feel the panic I said I felt before

921
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,560
about them maybe not surviving it,

922
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:26,800
but it did feel for a wee while

923
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,200
like that was a genuine possibility.

924
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,160
It was like this might actually put them under

925
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:31,960
if this is not fixed quite quickly

926
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:34,600
because it couldn't be something you want.

927
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,720
You'd got pre-orders, you'd pre-ordered stuff

928
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,080
and paid for it and it wasn't being released.

929
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:40,200
So.

930
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,840
Well, they'd released Operation Werewolf

931
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:48,840
and told us we were going to get Death World the next day.

932
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:50,280
Yeah.

933
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,240
And then they launched the app the next day

934
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,520
and we didn't get Death World the next day

935
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,080
or the next week or, and it was delayed for quite a while.

936
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,160
Was it two weeks?

937
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:00,240
It was delayed by the end.

938
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,640
I think it was due to come out in one month

939
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,400
and it got bumped to the next.

940
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:05,520
Yeah.

941
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,640
And it came out quite late then if I remember rightly.

942
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,480
It was long, it was certainly a long time before I heard it.

943
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:13,320
Yeah.

944
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,200
But we'll get to those two stories next time.

945
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,320
Anyway, they're definitely worth a segment

946
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,960
but we have definitely run out of time for this

947
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,600
our first episode back.

948
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,120
So we will return next week with

949
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,560
while we were away part two,

950
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,280
while we were away again part two,

951
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,800
we've been away before but not this long.

952
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,040
And we'll talk about some more big finished releases

953
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,520
that we've really enjoyed while we've been off air

954
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,840
and we'll also have a little look forward to next year

955
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,120
and work out what it is we're particularly

956
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:47,240
looking forward to.

957
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,560
But in the meantime, like I say, we'll leave it there.

958
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:54,080
So I will say thank you to Connor for joining me.

959
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:55,080
Thank you very much.

960
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:56,960
It's been great to get back into this.

961
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,800
It's yeah, I have missed this.

962
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:00,080
I've really missed this.

963
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:02,600
And yeah, we'll be back.

964
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,680
We'll be back to do more of it very, very soon.

965
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:05,520
Goodbye now.

966
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:27,320
I'll see you next time.