1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,200 Welcome to the cannabis data science meetup group. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,600 Good. I try to make the most of it today. 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:16,000 I know last week I missed out on sharing all the cool 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,800 insights with you. 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,400 So my apologies for that. 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,900 But as I said, I'll get the blog post in your hands and 7 00:00:25,900 --> 00:00:28,700 there's a lot of cool things there. 8 00:00:28,700 --> 00:00:32,700 So we can talk about that here momentarily. 9 00:00:32,700 --> 00:00:39,500 We'd love to kind of get some of your thoughts because 10 00:00:39,500 --> 00:00:43,600 actually somebody's trying to join. 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,500 Because I can kind of use some direction. 12 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:52,400 Was not made a little dissatisfied with where my 13 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,000 research is heading and was kind of just wanting to 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,500 change years. 15 00:00:57,500 --> 00:01:04,500 So for example, with all my frustration, I was saying, 16 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:06,200 okay, right. 17 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,600 For example, we were talking about pesticides and 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,200 Candace asked the question about, you know, how can we 19 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,300 break, for example, for lab results, there was the 20 00:01:16,300 --> 00:01:22,200 whole problem of lab shopping and a cheap effective 21 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,900 solution was just having people ask for their lab 22 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:27,900 results. 23 00:01:27,900 --> 00:01:32,000 And I think we may still need to think about this more. 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,700 But I haven't thought of a quick simple solution like 25 00:01:35,700 --> 00:01:41,000 that necessarily for this sticky issue of pesticides. 26 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,300 And the only thing that I can think of at the moment is, 27 00:01:45,300 --> 00:01:48,700 you know, in certain states, if you don't have access 28 00:01:48,700 --> 00:01:52,700 to data, then really the only way to know for certain 29 00:01:52,700 --> 00:01:58,100 your products are pesticide free or basically to grow 30 00:01:58,100 --> 00:02:01,100 it yourself. 31 00:02:01,100 --> 00:02:03,300 And that's permitted in some states. 32 00:02:03,300 --> 00:02:06,000 So I know it's going to be difficult. 33 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,600 So for example, Candace, you're in Massachusetts. 34 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,700 You can in fact grow your own. 35 00:02:12,700 --> 00:02:17,300 But once again, this is not a cost free solution, right? 36 00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:22,200 It's almost costless to ask for your lab results. 37 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,200 However, it is quite expensive to actually grow your 38 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,900 cannabis at home. 39 00:02:27,900 --> 00:02:33,900 So it's not really the end all be to solutions. 40 00:02:33,900 --> 00:02:36,800 And in many states, it won't even work. 41 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,500 So for example, I'm in Washington state. 42 00:02:39,500 --> 00:02:44,000 So we do have access to open data here so that I can 43 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,900 at least look at the lab results and make sure my 44 00:02:47,900 --> 00:02:49,800 products are pesticide free. 45 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,600 But I can't grow it at home. 46 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,600 So at least I have open data. 47 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,700 So that's what I've just basically been encouraging 48 00:02:57,700 --> 00:02:58,400 people. 49 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:04,000 If you're a cannabis consumer, either ask, ask, ask, 50 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,700 ask for your data or ask, ask, ask, ask to grow it 51 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:10,800 yourself. 52 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,900 If you have any better ideas about how you can, you 53 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:19,600 know, ensure your products are in fact pesticide free, 54 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:20,800 I'm all ears. 55 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:27,200 Or if you've got a bigger issue or problem or research 56 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,200 idea, then I'm all aboard to hear that and pursue it 57 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,200 too. 58 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,400 But basically just trying to, you know, put my time, 59 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,300 effort and energy into, you know, sort of the most 60 00:03:41,300 --> 00:03:44,400 press pressing issue for a while. 61 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,200 I thought it was lab shopping. 62 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,800 And I think it's that problem still exists. 63 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,800 But I hope it's heading in the right direction from 64 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,500 what I see with people in Florida, you know, asking 65 00:03:57,500 --> 00:03:59,400 for their lab results. 66 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,000 But those are my thoughts for today. 67 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,300 And before, you know, I keep droning on, we'd love to 68 00:04:05,300 --> 00:04:08,800 get some of your input because it's a cannabis data 69 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,100 science meetup after all. 70 00:04:11,100 --> 00:04:14,000 So we'd love to hear about, you know, what do you 71 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,300 think's a pressing issue for research? 72 00:04:17,300 --> 00:04:21,300 Because we've got, well, at least I have a little bit 73 00:04:21,300 --> 00:04:25,300 of time and energy to devote to pushing this forward. 74 00:04:25,300 --> 00:04:27,300 So what do you think, Candice? 75 00:04:27,300 --> 00:04:30,100 What's the most pressing issue we should be working 76 00:04:30,100 --> 00:04:34,900 on here at the cannabis data science meetup? 77 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:37,900 I'm not sure, Keegan. 78 00:04:37,900 --> 00:04:40,500 It's a big question. 79 00:04:40,500 --> 00:04:41,700 It is a big question. 80 00:04:41,700 --> 00:04:44,300 It's a loaded question. 81 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:46,800 You know, it is interesting though that you do get open 82 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,700 data sets in Washington state. 83 00:04:48,700 --> 00:04:52,900 And, you know, it's pretty interesting too that, you 84 00:04:52,900 --> 00:04:55,600 know, you discovered a pesticide that they 85 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,400 shouldn't be using. 86 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,500 And, you know, it's all so interesting. 87 00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:05,200 It's kind of hard to walk away a bit from the 88 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,900 pesticides, but, you know, we're just in Massachusetts 89 00:05:08,900 --> 00:05:11,900 and I'm just banging my head against the wall trying 90 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:13,600 to get, you know, details. 91 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,900 So frustrating. 92 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:21,300 But I love growing and I don't think I spend a ton of 93 00:05:21,300 --> 00:05:25,600 money growing compared to the fact that the, it's 94 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:26,600 easy to do. 95 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,700 You know, I didn't start cannabis until seven years 96 00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:33,400 ago and it's so easy to grow. 97 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,900 You know, I just, you know, I water every couple days, 98 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:38,300 you know, make sure there's no bugs. 99 00:05:38,300 --> 00:05:40,700 That's really the key thing. 100 00:05:40,700 --> 00:05:45,100 And, you know, I don't spend that much on electricity. 101 00:05:45,100 --> 00:05:47,600 And I have a really small house too with a 100 amp 102 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,800 service and I still, you know, I probably get about 103 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,400 a pound, you know, per grow. 104 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,700 So, and I have tiny tents, you know, one in the 105 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:59,200 laundry room that's tiny, you know, one in a spare 106 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,200 bedroom that's, you know, a little bigger and it's 107 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,700 not like my old house where I had the big tents, you 108 00:06:04,700 --> 00:06:08,000 know, and outside, you know, I could grow outside. 109 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,800 But it's all interesting what you're doing, Kegan. 110 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,500 You're really on the bleeding edge. 111 00:06:12,500 --> 00:06:13,300 Thank you so much. 112 00:06:13,300 --> 00:06:17,500 I love some of these things you brought up, 113 00:06:17,500 --> 00:06:20,600 Candice, and one in particular was the cost. 114 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,600 And what got me thinking was if you talk to like an 115 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,700 old school botanist, they're just going to say 116 00:06:28,700 --> 00:06:32,600 that it's ludicrous that people are growing cannabis 117 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,100 inside. 118 00:06:34,100 --> 00:06:39,000 You know, you're spending an enormous amount of 119 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,000 energy trying to replicate the sun. 120 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,100 You know, the sun is in the sky in some parts of the 121 00:06:47,100 --> 00:06:50,700 country, you know, a large portion of the day, you 122 00:06:50,700 --> 00:06:52,100 know, for free. 123 00:06:52,100 --> 00:06:58,800 It's just this, you know, I mean, some people talk to 124 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,200 engineers and they argue you can kind of replicate 125 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:03,800 the light coming from the sun. 126 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,700 But I'm super skeptical. 127 00:07:05,700 --> 00:07:09,400 And so I think plants love the sun. 128 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:16,700 I was out at the field, super sunny days, and all 129 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:21,500 they're concerned with is watering the plants, right? 130 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:23,200 That's their principal concern. 131 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,000 They're like, you know, in that field I was at was a 132 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,700 completely organic field. 133 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:34,500 And I'll show you pictures, but the plants were in 134 00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:37,000 just pristine health. 135 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:42,500 They do have, it's interesting, the hemp fields 136 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:46,800 have different sorts of like viruses and pathogens 137 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,200 than you get inside. 138 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:55,200 So they were saying their main virus is this curly 139 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,100 top virus. 140 00:07:57,100 --> 00:08:00,900 And so you just see some plants, the tops of them 141 00:08:00,900 --> 00:08:06,200 would just get a little curly. 142 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,300 And basically what the farmer said is if the plants 143 00:08:10,300 --> 00:08:13,100 are healthy, they can just kind of power through it. 144 00:08:13,100 --> 00:08:18,600 And of course, you know, the researchers at, you 145 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:23,700 know, the Washington State University, they're kind 146 00:08:23,700 --> 00:08:26,700 of, of course, concerned with the curly top virus 147 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:29,100 and trying to learn more about it. 148 00:08:29,100 --> 00:08:33,100 But the hemp farmer, you know, he says maybe he'll 149 00:08:33,100 --> 00:08:35,900 lose a plant here and there for it, but, you know, 150 00:08:35,900 --> 00:08:38,900 the plants are just so healthy, loving the sun, 151 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:42,700 loving the water, you know, they can power through. 152 00:08:42,700 --> 00:08:47,800 But I may have lost my train of, I don't know where 153 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:48,600 I was going. 154 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:49,800 Well, I kind of know where I was going with that, 155 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:50,700 but I started rambling. 156 00:08:50,700 --> 00:08:54,700 But Ruth, you may have had a comment or question. 157 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:56,700 Oh, I'm sorry, I hit it accidentally. 158 00:08:56,700 --> 00:09:00,700 I was just, I was thinking that what we're seeing 159 00:09:00,700 --> 00:09:04,900 right now in the industry is hoplite and viroid. 160 00:09:04,900 --> 00:09:09,000 And I've heard that something like 90% of plants 161 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,600 in California are affected, which is miserable. 162 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,300 The only way, I've been listening to talks on it 163 00:09:15,300 --> 00:09:20,500 and it's like coronavirus in a lot of ways, but it 164 00:09:20,500 --> 00:09:24,200 gets into the seeds and the plant. 165 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,400 It sounds like really the only way to control it 166 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,600 is to eradicate it. 167 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,400 So it sounds, I don't know. 168 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,100 I haven't heard that there's been mass destruction 169 00:09:34,100 --> 00:09:35,300 of crops in California. 170 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:39,100 So I don't know what they're going to do with how 171 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:42,600 they're going to address the problem. 172 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,500 I love that you, well, I don't love this, but it's 173 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:47,500 interesting that you bring this up, Ruth. 174 00:09:47,500 --> 00:09:50,800 So someone reached out to me and I'm hoping that 175 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,100 they'll join the meetup next week. 176 00:09:55,100 --> 00:10:00,300 So somebody who, a CEO who runs a testing lab 177 00:10:00,300 --> 00:10:04,500 in California that is primarily focused on testing 178 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:08,400 for hops late and viroid wants to join the meetup 179 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,500 and talk with us and tell us what it's all about. 180 00:10:11,500 --> 00:10:14,700 So I'll get you the specific dates, but I want 181 00:10:14,700 --> 00:10:18,100 to say that's next week. 182 00:10:18,100 --> 00:10:22,400 And I'm personally super interested in learning 183 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,000 more about this. 184 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,800 As you pointed out, this is basically the number 185 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,500 one concern, threat to the indoor growers. 186 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:34,300 You were saying, you know, potentially 90% of 187 00:10:34,300 --> 00:10:42,500 the crop that grows in California. 188 00:10:42,500 --> 00:10:47,200 I know it's also a problem in Colorado. 189 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,200 A thought that comes to mind is I wonder if it's 190 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:56,600 affecting the outdoor cultivations as much as the indoor. 191 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,300 What I've heard is 90% of all cannabis in California 192 00:11:00,300 --> 00:11:02,800 is infected. 193 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,700 I've also, I've seen a couple of presentations 194 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:09,800 and listened to podcasts on it and it can get 195 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,300 into the seeds. 196 00:11:11,300 --> 00:11:14,700 And I don't know if you can actually test the seeds 197 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:16,600 or if you have to germinate them. 198 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,000 And what's really interesting is they said it, 199 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,800 you want to, if you're testing, you want to test 200 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,400 the roots because it'll get into the roots and 201 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,800 then it'll distribute through the rest of the plant. 202 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,900 So you can have an infected plant. 203 00:11:28,900 --> 00:11:31,800 You can test sections of the leaves and the leaves 204 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,200 will come back negative, but that might be perhaps 205 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,000 because the virus hasn't spread to that part of the plant 206 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:39,400 yet. 207 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,900 So you can get essentially a false negative. 208 00:11:42,900 --> 00:11:45,800 And it's, from what I'm hearing, it's really insidious. 209 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,900 And, you know, if it's in the seeds, then if you're 210 00:11:48,900 --> 00:11:52,500 planting new seeds, then I don't know how you 211 00:11:52,500 --> 00:11:56,300 protect against it because it's expensive, obviously, 212 00:11:56,300 --> 00:11:59,700 to have to germinate the plants to figure and then 213 00:11:59,700 --> 00:12:02,500 wait and test them to see if they're infected. 214 00:12:02,500 --> 00:12:04,400 It's a real mess. 215 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,300 I don't know how the industry is going to address it, 216 00:12:06,300 --> 00:12:07,000 as I said. 217 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,800 Phenomenal points. 218 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,600 And as I said, we'll get the facts next week. 219 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,300 So anything I tell you right now is just going to be 220 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:22,500 hearsay that sort of, yeah, hearsay wisdom or knowledge 221 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:28,500 or just opinions that I've just accumulated just 222 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:29,900 talking with people. 223 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:33,100 But I think you're absolutely right. 224 00:12:33,100 --> 00:12:36,200 I think there's suspicion that, yes, it can be passed 225 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:41,100 through the seeds, that the rate may be low. 226 00:12:41,100 --> 00:12:44,500 So maybe, say, I don't know, I think people are just 227 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:49,400 throwing out numbers like maybe 2 to 8 or 10 percent. 228 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:54,100 If you've got an infected plant, maybe 2 to 8 percent 229 00:12:54,100 --> 00:12:59,600 or 2 to 10 percent of the seeds may have the virus. 230 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,900 I don't, this is, as soon as people start mentioning 231 00:13:02,900 --> 00:13:07,400 chemicals, I get super, super cautious. 232 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,300 But I've heard people say that they go through 233 00:13:11,300 --> 00:13:16,700 protocols such as putting a small amount of bleach, 234 00:13:16,700 --> 00:13:20,000 I forget what it was, like 0.1 percent of bleach 235 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,800 or something in water. 236 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,100 And they basically, and once again, don't quote me on that. 237 00:13:25,100 --> 00:13:27,500 I don't even personally recommend that. 238 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:30,400 Like I said, I'm not a big fan of chemicals, 239 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,400 so I wouldn't do any sort of thing like this. 240 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,000 But I have heard of people doing it. 241 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,300 So it's something to know about that people may be doing this. 242 00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:41,700 But they may be basically cleaning off the seeds 243 00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:48,100 before they germinate it with some sort of disinfectant, 244 00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:53,400 potentially super diluted bleach. 245 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:54,500 I've heard that. 246 00:13:54,500 --> 00:14:01,300 I think I read that it works sometimes, but not always. 247 00:14:01,300 --> 00:14:02,100 Exactly. 248 00:14:02,100 --> 00:14:06,000 And then that's pre-germination. 249 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,100 And then basically, from my understanding, 250 00:14:08,100 --> 00:14:11,500 they basically quarantine. 251 00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:13,600 Well, in the facilities where this is a big problem, 252 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,300 like California, they basically would, I guess, 253 00:14:17,300 --> 00:14:24,000 quarantine the sproutlings until they get them tested. 254 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,700 And as far as my understanding, like you said, 255 00:14:26,700 --> 00:14:29,400 in California, it's such a big problem 256 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:30,800 that I think people are basically 257 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,300 having to use tissue culture. 258 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:39,700 Which is, once again, you're going 259 00:14:39,700 --> 00:14:43,700 to have to talk to a chemist or botanist 260 00:14:43,700 --> 00:14:47,600 to really understand tissue culture. 261 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,200 What they do is they take small. 262 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,800 They want to go to the very, very tips of the plants 263 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,400 where you're getting new growth, because that's essentially 264 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:57,400 like stem cells. 265 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:58,700 They're very clean. 266 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:00,900 And then you take samples from there, 267 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:03,600 and you can test the cells to make sure they're clean. 268 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,400 And then you propagate more samples from those clean cells. 269 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:13,300 That's the way my understanding of tissue culture works. 270 00:15:13,300 --> 00:15:16,200 I do want to say real quickly that what I find 271 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:23,700 so extremely paradoxical about cannabis is that there 272 00:15:23,700 --> 00:15:26,700 are so many diseases out there, and they spread so quickly. 273 00:15:26,700 --> 00:15:28,700 Which means that my understanding 274 00:15:28,700 --> 00:15:30,400 is that cannabis grows are essentially 275 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,000 becoming like clean rooms. 276 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,500 And what I find so paradoxical is it's weed. 277 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:39,500 As you're saying, it grows so easily outdoors. 278 00:15:39,500 --> 00:15:44,500 All you need to do is water it and let it have some sun. 279 00:15:44,500 --> 00:15:48,000 And it's the most technologically 280 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,200 un-intensive product out there, and that it just 281 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:53,500 grows on its own. 282 00:15:53,500 --> 00:15:56,600 Yet, if we look at where the industry is going, 283 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:01,100 it's becoming perhaps the most technologically intense, 284 00:16:01,100 --> 00:16:02,700 cultivated product. 285 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:04,400 And I find that very ironic. 286 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,800 And this is where you'd almost have 287 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:15,400 to talk to someone who knows ecosystems. 288 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,200 Like I want to say environmentalist, 289 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,600 but that doesn't sound right. 290 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,200 So an ecologist. 291 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,500 Because there's an interesting principle 292 00:16:26,500 --> 00:16:32,200 that I've been trying to learn and incorporate more of, 293 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:38,000 where it's too much of something is bad, 294 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,200 but then too little of it is also bad. 295 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:48,600 And so basically, the people growing outside, 296 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,900 they've got tons of pests. 297 00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:56,700 But then there's also things that eat the pests. 298 00:16:56,700 --> 00:17:01,100 Like it's a bug eat bug world. 299 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:05,900 And so it seems counterintuitive, 300 00:17:05,900 --> 00:17:10,900 but it's almost like that was kind of what 301 00:17:10,900 --> 00:17:12,400 I was learning about the hemp fields. 302 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,200 It's almost like a little bit of an ecosystem. 303 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,600 So they are pulling weeds. 304 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:23,000 But so that's the main battle, I think, 305 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,800 when you're growing outside are weeds. 306 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:31,900 But a lot of the bugs will target other bugs. 307 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:39,100 And then I think things like the white powdery mildew. 308 00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:42,200 So that's a big problem inside. 309 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:47,900 But they said outside, it's just not sure 310 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:50,200 it's as much of a problem. 311 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,700 So some of me thinks that part of this 312 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:59,100 may be like it's almost too clean, right? 313 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,800 Which is kind of a paradox. 314 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,900 But it's basically they're trying 315 00:18:13,900 --> 00:18:20,100 to grow inside, outside of the plant's natural habitat. 316 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:22,400 There's nothing else in there. 317 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,000 There's no other organic material. 318 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,700 So it's like if you get any pathogen, 319 00:18:28,700 --> 00:18:33,400 like any mold or parasite into that room, 320 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:38,500 then it's just like the only organic thing to eat on 321 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:40,500 is your cannabis plants. 322 00:18:40,500 --> 00:18:43,000 And it's got no predators. 323 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:49,400 So if you do get and then you've also got 324 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,600 the problem of what's it called? 325 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:58,400 Like monocrop, where a lot of these rooms, 326 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:03,800 it's just a room full of clones that are all genetically identical. 327 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,800 You say, break a one line? 328 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,800 Break a break a one line. 329 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,000 Break a break a one line. 330 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:09,800 Copy that. 331 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:10,700 Wild squirrel. 332 00:19:10,700 --> 00:19:11,700 Wild squirrel. 333 00:19:11,700 --> 00:19:12,900 Wild squirrel. 334 00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:13,600 Wild squirrel. 335 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,200 Copy that, Roger. 336 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:23,000 So John, comments, question John. 337 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,500 I'm not sure if you're OK. 338 00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:31,200 So I apologize about that. 339 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,300 Put my mic. 340 00:19:32,300 --> 00:19:33,900 OK, it's OK, John. 341 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:38,700 But I'll let you, Ruth, if anyone else has any more thoughts about this. 342 00:19:38,700 --> 00:19:45,700 But what's kind of just getting back to me is just like, 343 00:19:45,700 --> 00:19:49,200 a lot of the other big agricultural crops, 344 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:55,200 like I want to say, like bananas maybe, maybe super susceptible to viruses 345 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:01,700 because they're just, you know, all the bananas are very, very genetically similar. 346 00:20:01,700 --> 00:20:06,300 And so that's the other advantage to growing these giant hemp fields. 347 00:20:06,300 --> 00:20:10,600 They are technically growing them all by seed. 348 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:20,000 So while they are the same variety, there is genetic variation among every single plant. 349 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:26,800 So yes, they're not they're closely related, but they're not perfectly related. 350 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:32,200 So maybe that has a factor. 351 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:37,700 So maybe something about every single plant being a clone. 352 00:20:37,700 --> 00:20:42,400 That may be a problem. 353 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,400 But obviously, this is an unsolved issue. 354 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,000 So I'm just kind of conjecturing here. 355 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,300 But as I said, I was trying to get them in this week. 356 00:20:52,300 --> 00:21:00,100 But I think next week we should have somebody hopefully to talk to us about hops late and viroid. 357 00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:03,500 You know, there's an interesting potential data question here. 358 00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:06,400 And that's if you could collect. 359 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:14,000 Well, I don't know, but collect large scale information on how the conditions under which 360 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:19,100 crops were grown and how they end up, I don't know, performing. 361 00:21:19,100 --> 00:21:22,200 It's that's not well formed question. 362 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:28,200 But you know what you're saying is essentially. 363 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:34,300 Left to the natural environment, they should be they should be hardier, I guess. 364 00:21:34,300 --> 00:21:35,700 I don't know. 365 00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:38,200 I don't know what I'm saying. 366 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:46,700 I think that's a that's a research question because that's so. 367 00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:53,200 My dad's a biologist and he's the one who's always going on about like how cannabis really 368 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,300 should be grown outside. 369 00:21:55,300 --> 00:22:02,500 And it's like different people have their different perspectives. 370 00:22:02,500 --> 00:22:07,700 You know, his perspective is like, you know, it's like good for the plants to get eaten 371 00:22:07,700 --> 00:22:09,900 a little bit by the bugs, right? 372 00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:17,400 Because it's you know, they're they produce terpenes as a defense mechanism against bugs. 373 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:25,800 So a research question I've always wanted to try is just have two plants and just like 374 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:36,000 hole punch some holes in one of the plants to kind of mimic it being eaten by bugs and 375 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,500 see if because it would be kind of kind of counterintuitive, right? 376 00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:45,000 Because it's like you wouldn't think like getting your leaves eaten up would be good 377 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,400 for the plants. 378 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,000 But it may be. 379 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:56,600 And so this is where I'm starting to wonder, like obviously too many bugs are bad, right? 380 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:01,600 If you've got too many pests, that's going to be bad. 381 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:10,300 But one has to wonder if maybe just a just a little bit of, you know, just natural pathogens 382 00:23:10,300 --> 00:23:19,600 out there may just kind of almost like build the plants immune system, so to speak. 383 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:25,100 You're actually right that they do introduce stressors to the plants at a certain time 384 00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:29,600 and that makes them pump up their volume of different cannabinoids and terpenes. 385 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,100 So you're definitely on the right track there. 386 00:23:33,100 --> 00:23:43,700 But, you know, good luck convincing any of these large growers to, you know, let any, 387 00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:49,400 you know, pests into their into their environment. 388 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,400 So I don't know. 389 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:58,100 This may be a question more for, you know, like I said, a biologist, a botanist, an ecologist. 390 00:23:58,100 --> 00:24:00,400 But this is kind of what I'm starting to think. 391 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,900 And long story short is I'm still really big on these on these hemp fields because when 392 00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:12,800 you go and you see them, you really remember that this is still the cannabis plant. 393 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:18,600 You know, there are these lovely plants with seven pointed leaves, except this variety 394 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:27,400 just happens to produce predominantly CBD and CBG versus THC. 395 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:32,300 So it's just the same plant, you know, it still gets trichomes on it. 396 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:37,900 Just these trichomes fill up with a different molecule. 397 00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:52,400 So so long as so a question that comes to my mind is, you know, you know, question every 398 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,400 statistic. 399 00:24:53,400 --> 00:25:01,400 And so I wonder, you know, is this the 90 percent we hear in California? 400 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:08,740 Does that include all the outdoor cannabis, you know, up, you know, in like the the green 401 00:25:08,740 --> 00:25:11,160 triangle, so to speak? 402 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:19,560 And so I've got a feeling that I wouldn't be surprised if 90 percent of the indoor grows 403 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,600 in California are infected. 404 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:30,820 But I don't, you know, you know, I wonder if it is also 90 percent of the outdoor farms 405 00:25:30,820 --> 00:25:33,240 or not. 406 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:41,040 So but but anywho, that's where sort of my thoughts were taking me was I wouldn't be 407 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:49,440 surprised if you see hemp grown at large scale and even cannabis grown at large scale out 408 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:54,440 doors, especially if it's just going to be, you know, basically turned into concentrates. 409 00:25:54,440 --> 00:26:02,120 Like I think that's basically what we saw with, you know, the the raw garden farms that 410 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:04,280 they're producing. 411 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:09,840 It looks like a lot of outdoor cannabis and then they're producing a lot of, you know, 412 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,240 concentrates and edibles and, you know, some joints. 413 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:20,760 But it looked like the predominant was getting turned into concentrated goods. 414 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,720 So I can see that happening a lot with the outdoor flower. 415 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,560 I wouldn't be surprised if there's still some indoor flower left. 416 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:29,560 But today. 417 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:35,040 But I don't know, I think so. 418 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,960 I'll kind of get on to some of my other thoughts here in a bit. 419 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:47,480 Basically, you know, the indoor farming may almost just be just kind of a consequence 420 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:53,840 of just the way cannabis has come up in this really like illegal nature and like a real 421 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,640 you know, illegal hidden nature. 422 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:04,760 Basically people didn't want to be outside, you know, in the public's view. 423 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:15,200 So you know, we're seeing it permitted, right, that we saw the glass house farms in California, 424 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,560 you know, just these giant greenhouses. 425 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:24,400 I know in Florida, I want to say I've seen some pictures of some giant greenhouses. 426 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:34,560 So the other point you raised was we need some metrics to to start to start getting 427 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:35,560 your gathering. 428 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:42,240 And so if you're all interested, I was going to maybe start putting this together for her 429 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,560 home growers. 430 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:49,840 But what do you all think about basically like, like a homegrown research project where 431 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:55,680 we have some sort of standardized worksheet or spreadsheet where, you know, home growers 432 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:01,200 can keep track of some of your various factors. 433 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,680 And then you could also, you know, keep track of some of your outcomes. 434 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:13,600 So the easiest would just be yield, just weigh how however much you you've got. 435 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,200 But then potentially, I was going to depends on your state, but you know, potentially, 436 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,760 we could start figuring out ways for home growers to get their products tested. 437 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:33,640 Because I know in Washington State, I imagine I imagine that if I mean, I worked at a laboratory 438 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:41,000 and we definitely had consumers bring in products now like on a once in a blue moon. 439 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:51,480 But I don't see why a home grower say in Massachusetts couldn't get their product tested at MCR labs. 440 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:58,680 So we'll have to check the various laws and regulations just to make sure this is in fact 441 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,080 allowed in all the various states where home grows permitted. 442 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:10,400 But I don't know, I think this I think this would be a really fun, insightful research 443 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:17,600 project, you know, try to keep everybody anonymized, but just just kind of record, you know, some 444 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,880 of the key things. 445 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:25,080 So I started to write down some of the things we may want to keep track of. 446 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,160 But basically, you know, when you planted it, and when you harvest, you know, which 447 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:36,680 strain you're growing, if you can, you know, the amount of light you're giving your plant 448 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:46,800 each day in is it inside or is it outside, you keep track of the temperature, potentially. 449 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,800 And this is where, you know, good data scientists like yourself come in, you know, we could 450 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,520 potentially work this out where, once again, we can maybe keep their location anonymous. 451 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:03,160 But if somebody does have their location, then you may be able to just knowing your 452 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:09,240 location, you may be able to augment that with temperature and humidity, and just sort 453 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,600 of local weather conditions. 454 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,360 And then what were some other things. 455 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,440 So there was like the nutrients. 456 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,120 And then the Okay, now this is a wild one. 457 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,160 How much water you're giving your plants. 458 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,320 So this was remarkable, I'll have to send you pictures. 459 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:39,000 So I saw this, this small plot of hemp at the Oregon State University, and they weren't 460 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,640 watering it. 461 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:47,200 They were just the only water that that the that hemp plot was receiving was just natural 462 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,440 rainfall. 463 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,360 And I want to say that, like all summer long, they made it. 464 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,240 Once again, I'll get you the exact number in the blog post. 465 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:02,240 But I want to say it was only around an inch of rain, like this whole summer. 466 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,000 And I mean, the field, the plot did not look great. 467 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,960 Like it was definitely the plants were definitely wiltering. 468 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,760 But they were they were kind of hanging in there, surprisingly. 469 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:20,040 And, you know, everywhere else is just basically desert. 470 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:26,440 It is like technically a desert, apparently in a in eastern Oregon. 471 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:33,280 But, you know, apparently, cannabis can get by with remarkably little water. 472 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:39,800 So that could be something you kind of do some experiments on is maybe like, you know, 473 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,280 see how drought tolerant your plants are. 474 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:53,900 And once again, I always kind of wonder, you know, does basically, you know, stressing 475 00:31:53,900 --> 00:32:01,800 your plants with like water deprivation, does that have any effect on, you know, some of 476 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:08,720 the, you know, the flowers of the trichome production? 477 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:14,600 So because because that's something that if you talk with gardeners, they'll stress is 478 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,760 you do not want to overwater your plants. 479 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:19,760 Right. 480 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:27,960 You're going to you're going to start getting rot in your roots. 481 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:40,320 And in some gardeners are you get better root growth if you kind of, you know, let that 482 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:45,880 let your plants get super dry because I get once again, this is all kind of hearsay. 483 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,840 That's why we kind of have to tie the science to the folklore. 484 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,640 But the way the folklore goes is, you know, if you get them super dry, then the roots 485 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,400 have to, you know, start like searching for new sources of water. 486 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:08,240 But and then basically all of this, and then once again, you know, say if you are using 487 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:16,680 any pesticides or or or just pest management solutions, right, maybe you introduce a bunch 488 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,000 of ladybugs or or something creative into your. 489 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:27,720 And in fact, if any of you are interested, I do know someone who specializes in these 490 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:34,640 sort of organic pest pest control solutions. 491 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:41,560 But basically just measure all your inputs and then the main outputs are, of course, 492 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:48,440 you know, yield and then, you know, the cannabinoid and terpene concentrations. 493 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:56,200 So so that's sort of just an outline of what we could potentially do. 494 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,680 And I don't know what are your thoughts? 495 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:07,720 You know, should we try to, you know, wrangle up some home growers and see if they can. 496 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:15,840 If they're interested in participating in a home grow analytics study. 497 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:24,760 OK, so. 498 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:30,080 Because I don't know, I was just thinking this could be like. 499 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:37,440 You know, a fun pet project, because there's not really much data out there on this, right? 500 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:43,440 There's the only data on home grow. 501 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,400 As far as I know, once again, there's probably better sources, right? 502 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,400 There's the. 503 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,960 We've stumbled across them, so I'm sure there's other sources. 504 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:57,200 But the main one is just the what was it? 505 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:07,160 The National Survey on Drug Use and Health, the NSDUH. 506 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:13,560 And there I believe there was a question about how many people home grow in. 507 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,760 Didn't sound right to me because I forget what it was. 508 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,160 It was just a small fraction of people. 509 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:26,720 But then if you kind of extrapolated out to the entire US, I'd want to say our numbers 510 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:29,880 were like as high as like five or six million. 511 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,040 But that just seems way, way, way, way too high to me. 512 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:38,720 It doesn't seem like there'd be that many people growing cannabis at home. 513 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:39,720 But. 514 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,720 But that's really it. 515 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:47,880 And so what we would kind of be interested in discovering is. 516 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:48,880 What are the two? 517 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,720 This is an interesting research question right here. 518 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:56,680 What's the average yield for a home grower? 519 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:04,600 Because that's been one of the biggest reasons why home grows not been permitted. 520 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,920 So in Washington state, they don't permit home grow. 521 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:15,080 And one of the principal reasons is they say they're worried about diversion. 522 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,960 Of course, now, you know, the arguments kind of changed a little bit. 523 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:25,000 And now they're saying, you know, now they're mostly worried about access to youth. 524 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,480 But that would still technically be diversion, right? 525 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,480 It's diversion to youth, which is not what you want. 526 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:33,480 But. 527 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,240 But but any. 528 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:46,600 My main point is we should maybe just quantify how much a home grower actually yields on 529 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:47,600 average. 530 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:53,160 And, you know, you could probably estimate that, you know, prop. 531 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,800 You know, you could do an estimate by hand, but you actually want some data and some statistics 532 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:07,760 because as we all know, the real world's messy and how how do things actually shake out? 533 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:17,320 So so we can kind of compare that to, you know, how much does an average consumer consume 534 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,560 in in a year? 535 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:25,320 And then once again, potentially look at the home grower themselves using some of these 536 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,920 cool things like the the receipt tracking we have. 537 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:36,800 But the long story short is just try to figure out, OK, the people that grow at home. 538 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:43,800 Are they even growing enough to meet their own consumption needs? 539 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,320 Because you know what? 540 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,320 I forget. 541 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,880 Once again, I'm pulling a number out of my hat. 542 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,480 We did calculate it at one point, but I don't remember it. 543 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,680 But, you know, let's say somebody consumes maybe they're a heavy consumer. 544 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,960 They consume 50 grams a year. 545 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:04,720 How many grams if they were home grower, would they produce a year? 546 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:09,120 You know, maybe maybe one plant. 547 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,200 They have a low harvest and they only harvest an ounce, which is like 28 grams. 548 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,680 Well, that's about half of their consumption. 549 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:26,120 And so when we theorize if they're only growing half of the amount they consume, they're probably 550 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:31,600 not diverting it right because they're they're actually going to the store to get their other 551 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,880 half. 552 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,160 So so that so that's one thing. 553 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,200 And then the other thing is just quality. 554 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,360 Right. 555 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:53,200 What's the average home grow THC percentage versus the average THC percentage you see 556 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,920 at the retail store? 557 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:07,120 You know, are home growers better or worse at a growing high THC or say maybe you're 558 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:12,320 interested in high CBD, whatever it is, you know, are home growers better or worse? 559 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:19,120 Then then a licensed growers. 560 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:25,400 And similar for terpenes, you know, who has the better terpene expression? 561 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:32,680 And this is and this is where you could really, really unlock the some really cool scientific 562 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:38,480 studies because. 563 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:44,220 For example, MCR Labs, I want to say, was doing a study where I want to say they were 564 00:39:44,220 --> 00:39:49,920 looking at soil quality and they may have I forget. 565 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,160 They may have all to look up the study. 566 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:58,500 But the biggest complaint against the study was the sample size was small, like maybe 567 00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:03,360 like 12 plants or something were grown in total at different soils. 568 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:10,840 Well, the cool thing about, you know, getting a bunch of home growers on board, it's not 569 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,560 going to be your traditional controlled scientific experiment. 570 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:21,920 But this is the type of scientific experiment that like economists, you know, like myself 571 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:29,300 are used to, which is just, you know, crazy variation from, you know, just all over the 572 00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:32,160 board from tons of different sources. 573 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,280 But I love this type of variation myself. 574 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:41,600 So it's just like, you know, get a get a home grower in Massachusetts growing outside, get 575 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:49,040 a home grower in San Diego growing inside, you know, get someone in Washington state 576 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:56,520 or they'd have to be a medical patient, get a medical patient in Oklahoma, get some some 577 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,920 people in Missouri. 578 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,600 And I want to say maybe Minnesota is allowing home grow. 579 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:08,800 So you know, just get all these different states, get all these different people growing 580 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:16,140 different strains, maybe in some cases, they're growing the same strain, you know, keep track 581 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:20,200 of the soil, the water, the light. 582 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:29,560 And once again, you know, it's not it's going to be quite different than your you know, 583 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,560 your typical control scientific experiment. 584 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,120 But I don't know this. 585 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,760 That's sort of the type of study that I personally love. 586 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:45,440 But what are your thoughts, comments, questions about about putting together something like 587 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,440 this? 588 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,160 I'll volunteer. 589 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,960 Okay. 590 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,000 Okay. 591 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:03,880 Bro, but you know, I could ask some people if I can, you know, propagate in their backyard 592 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:11,440 to in Massachusetts and help, you know, I'm always giving away phones and stuff. 593 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:18,400 But I get though, right, I started doing a closed loop system keegan right after I had 594 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:25,320 spider mites off the Massachusetts grower group, Facebook group, right. 595 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:30,040 And also to you know, I'm kind of glad that I did because now I can, you know, I can make 596 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,100 my own seeds. 597 00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:38,680 And I also have seeds to that have CBD that are CBD rich as well as THC. 598 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,400 And but anyway, volunteer. 599 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,160 Yay. 600 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:49,160 I have I love everything about that. 601 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,920 It's a lot of you know, learning by doing right. 602 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,800 You found out you had spider mites. 603 00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:02,440 Okay, you know, record the strain record when you planted and all of this. 604 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:08,560 And it's you know, we may like discover some super interesting things. 605 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:14,000 Just can just throw something out there like maybe spider mites strike. 606 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,040 At a particular time of the year. 607 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,040 Who knows? 608 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,120 I checked on my clones. 609 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,680 My house is winterized in the winter in Massachusetts. 610 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:31,080 So you know, and then I did actually do a bomb also. 611 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,980 I mean, and then after that, because that was last year's grow. 612 00:43:35,980 --> 00:43:41,560 And then after that, now I'm real careful closed loop and then with this, you know, 613 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,120 this droid, you know, just, you know, with everything, it's almost like, you know, 614 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,720 they're doing Franken weed keegan, right? 615 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:54,240 You know, it's like, and I get it, I really am not knowledgeable. 616 00:43:54,240 --> 00:44:00,800 I didn't do cannabis until, you know, after I became a patient late in life. 617 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:09,600 And it just seems like there's so much rushing and corner cutting with these state weed facilities, 618 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:15,000 you know, and I don't know, it just anybody can grow it so easily keegan. 619 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,680 I'm telling you, I am do not have a green thumb. 620 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:24,560 I did my local garden club website because I was the only one that knew computers, right? 621 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:30,520 But I couldn't grow for beans until I met cannabis and I treat my cannabis garden now 622 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,240 like it's a shroom factory, right? 623 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:35,240 I'm real careful about it. 624 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:41,880 And now really honestly, I let the leaves droop between water and I don't even bother with pH, 625 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,240 you know, except to check the water coming in. 626 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:55,080 And also too, I have town water or city water now that I move and I do a bubbler in it 627 00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:02,560 and the weed doesn't care, you know, gorilla glue, it locks me on the couch when I need to be. 628 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:12,600 And also too, you know, like there's some local people that have seeds and it's so easy to just do your own seeds, 629 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,920 but please do it inside. 630 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:21,280 Don't be like pollinating other people's outside crops in Massachusetts, right? 631 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,000 But it's amazingly easy. 632 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:30,040 And I think though that because of the rushing and corner cutting, the drive for profit, right? 633 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:36,440 And for tax monies is why cannabis is suffering. 634 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:41,240 But I don't know, I can be so weird that way, right? 635 00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:43,520 You've raised a lot of good points. 636 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:50,960 And one, I just think like, you know, you see the pictures of people growing cannabis back in the day. 637 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,440 And they're hippies, right? 638 00:45:53,440 --> 00:46:04,800 They're, you know, the revolutionary type, just the counterculture type, you know, the California hippies. 639 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,160 So that's where a lot of the history was. 640 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:13,680 And, you know, we were looking at the books, you know, 35 years ago, you know, they were saying, 641 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:20,240 oh, you know, they were talking about making compost the California way with, you know, 642 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:25,200 it's a lot of manure and tons of organic material. 643 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:38,360 But as cannabis is kind of slowly coming out, it's getting a little bit of a bad influence from some people who, 644 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,600 I mean, that's how they've been doing a lot of these large scale agricultural crops. 645 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:51,880 And so it's, you know, cannabis is, you know, they're getting a bad influence from some of the people out there. 646 00:46:51,880 --> 00:47:02,560 But the bright side of this is we've got to, you know, once again, always highlight an issue as it emerges. 647 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:11,520 But, you know, now is really your opportunity to keep cannabis in the hands of the home growers and keep the plant diverse. 648 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:21,600 Because basically, the the hemp field I saw, this was a just a standard large scale farmer. 649 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,200 And, you know, he says he normally grows onions. 650 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,880 And so basically, they just grow what's profitable. 651 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:42,560 I saw another farmer in Eastern Washington, and he was growing a few crops, but what was it? 652 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:49,400 He was actually growing hops. So it's kind of a coincidence, but he was growing hops. 653 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:57,680 And basically what he says is, you know, if hemp for cannabis was profitable enough, 654 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:05,720 he would just let the hops go bad right there in the field and just have everybody spend their time on cannabis. 655 00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:11,680 And so, I mean, that's how farmers think is as soon as cannabis is profitable, 656 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,240 they'll just clear the field and put down a bunch of cannabis. 657 00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:26,920 And that's what the. Kind of get getting into different places. 658 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:34,960 But that I'll stick to the main the main point is they're just amazed at how hardy cannabis is. 659 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:45,440 He says when he plants onions, he'll have to spend like six million dollars to weed the field. 660 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,520 He'll have to pay people to go out and pick out all the weeds. 661 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:59,880 When you grow cannabis, it's just such a just a hardy, thriving plant. 662 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:09,440 You have almost no problems with weeds because it's just the cannabis puts down its roots. 663 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:17,520 Plants have sort of their natural defense mechanisms to the hemp can more or less by itself, 664 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:23,320 bend off weeds. You know, there's some here and there, 665 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:28,520 but it's it's nothing compared to what you would see in like an onion field. 666 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:35,280 And it's and they're saying like, you know, their onions are way more susceptible to, 667 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,720 you know, disease and pests than these hemp plants. 668 00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:44,600 And so basically, the farmers are just amazed by them, right? 669 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:51,560 They're they're just used to growing these really, really delicate monoculture crops. 670 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:56,200 And then they get in, you know, a couple of varieties of hemp. 671 00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:02,600 And they're they're just amazed. They're like, wow, this is a this is a miracle. 672 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:10,520 Right. I don't have the and not only does it fend off the the weeds for the hemp, 673 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:15,920 but they they rotate the crops. So they plant hemp there. 674 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,560 They harvest the hemp and then they plant onions. 675 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:29,920 And they say because they planted hemp there, there's now fewer weeds for the onions. 676 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,160 And they and this is where you really have to start studying agriculture. 677 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:40,160 But I think they call it a cover crop, where it's basically like you want to almost have 678 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:47,600 the crop in the soil that way weeds don't grow when it's when it's time to. 679 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,600 And I'll get to your question here. 680 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:55,760 So long story short is. Can this grows well. 681 00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,520 One of the reasons it grows so well is it's a remarkably diverse plant 682 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,160 and grows super well under the sun. 683 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,360 It looks like it's thriving outside. 684 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:16,640 And what has to wonder is, you know, are we almost trying to monocrop cannabis too much? 685 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:22,040 Great. Like, are we growing too many clones of gorilla glue? 686 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:27,640 You know, are there just too many clones of gelato? 687 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:32,800 And it's just there's just not enough genetic diversity. 688 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:38,560 You're growing inside away from the plant's natural habitat. 689 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:45,560 There's bound to be viruses because from my understanding, the hoplite and viroid, 690 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,400 it's just on everything, like anything plant matter. 691 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,240 And there's a lot of plant matter in a grow. 692 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:56,600 So it's just everywhere. 693 00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:01,880 So. I don't know, something to think about. 694 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,000 What are our thoughts? And then so here, I'll get to some of these questions. 695 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:10,200 So what are our thoughts on sativa? 696 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:16,160 Well, I'm big up on the plant cannabis sativa. 697 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:21,560 And so I personally think that's what everybody's growing. 698 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:28,520 It's real funny to hear the hemp producers speak because they know even more about 699 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:34,840 plants than I do, and they basically say, hey, this is just kind of ludicrous. 700 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,200 You know, we're all growing the same plant. 701 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,760 Different varieties produce different chemicals. 702 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:48,720 It's just they're just different, right? 703 00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:53,720 Right, like, you know, different people have different colored hair. 704 00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:58,360 You know, it's like plants are just like little chemical factories. 705 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,440 So it's just for whatever reason. 706 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:09,280 You know, one had a slight genetic, this one seed had a tiny little genetic 707 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,400 variation than its its brother or sister. 708 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:20,800 And for whatever reason, it can produce a tiny bit more CBD or a tiny bit more THC 709 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:28,200 and or a tiny bit more CBG or, you know, whatever you may be interested in. 710 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:33,920 And then, you know, people have just selected these different varieties. 711 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:44,160 So. So a lot of this is is just, you know, still research to be determined. 712 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,720 And so, yeah, let's keep at this. 713 00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:54,280 And so basically, yeah, so I think some of the key data points that we should be after are 714 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,560 and this is what the people in the hemp field are principally concerned about is 715 00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:07,240 when did you plant, when did you harvest, how much did you get from your yield? 716 00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:13,000 And then you can then augment that with many, many, many, many variables, 717 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:20,040 because if you know where you were and you know when you were there, 718 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:24,040 so you know when you planted and where in the world you were, then all of a sudden, 719 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:32,560 you can now get temperature data, humidity data, potentially air pressure data, 720 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:39,880 maybe even soil data if you're planting straight there in the soil. 721 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:46,360 Potentially water data if you're relying on rainfall, 722 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,360 plus you can measure how much you're adding. 723 00:54:49,360 --> 00:55:00,720 So long story short, these are sort of the just the classic agriculture variables. 724 00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:08,680 And we talked about him one time in a statistics lesson, but I'll have to dig this up. 725 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:18,280 But at one point, we talked about an early statistician who basically just collected data 726 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:27,040 about varieties of plants, particularly when they like fruited, right, when they were harvested. 727 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,240 So we can do that exact same thing with cannabis. 728 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:36,920 Let's just keep track of strains, try to keep track of when they were planted, exactly how long they were 729 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:41,600 been flowering, when they were harvested, how much you got. 730 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:48,880 And then, you know, we can spice in and add some spice with some variables like light, indoor, 731 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,320 outdoor, soil, how much you watered it. 732 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,080 So we can just keep adding adding adding variables. 733 00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:03,400 I think this is what we should work on, because or at least this is once again, I don't know. 734 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:08,120 I'm just going to have to do the data side because I can't home grow, unfortunately, here in Washington. 735 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:14,440 But if any of you were interested, you know, I'm here to help so we can I'm here to help. 736 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:23,480 You know, we can put together worksheets, like help augment data, you know, whatever you whatever you're thinking. 737 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:30,680 So or if you have a more pressing research question, you know, let me know. 738 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:38,480 So I know that the hops late in viroid is, of course, a pressing issue that may be the most pressing. 739 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:50,280 So I'm going to try to double check and confirm that we can get the lab director or at least the owner to speak next week. 740 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:59,880 So that that should be super exciting if we can get some some actual, you know, boots on the ground information from a testing lab. 741 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:05,320 That would be that would be the best. 742 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:17,600 OK, so. So I know I know today was more just a talking day, but I owe you all a lot. 743 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,040 So first, I owe you all a big thank you. 744 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:26,680 So thank you for coming and giving your attention, especially after I kind of dropped the ball last week. 745 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:35,080 But I did take plenty of pictures, so I will make sure to to write up my notes and get the pictures to you. 746 00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:39,160 So that should be something for you. 747 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:45,400 I took some really cool, interesting pictures, so you can now get to see firsthand. 748 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:54,160 Well, I guess second hand through the photos, but you can now see what the hemp yield is all about. 749 00:57:54,160 --> 00:58:02,480 And then. I'm going to start thinking about, you know, how we can put together a worksheet for home growers. 750 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:10,680 But, you know, let me know if you know you find any new sources of data, have any cool new ideas of your own, 751 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:16,680 have any ways we can revisit prior sets of data, because as I said. 752 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:26,760 I don't know, I was sort of just starting to just worry too much about some of these big existential problems that I completely out of my hands, right? 753 00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,360 Like, for example, like the lab shopping completely out of my hands. 754 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:35,600 The only thing I can say is, hey, if you're a consumer, ask to see your lab results. 755 00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:43,200 Pesticides, that's a huge existential crisis or problem that's way bigger than cannabis. 756 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:53,360 Right. That's cannabis is just getting a bad influence from just the, you know, the giant agriculture sector. 757 00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:59,520 So that that problems, you know, as big as the whole the whole food ecosystem. 758 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:05,560 So that that's a whole problem. So how we can whittle on it? 759 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:12,800 Well, we can just say we're going to start as micro as micro as possible, 760 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:18,080 which is one home grower with one plant. 761 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:24,440 In Massachusetts, who's willing to help out and record some of your data, 762 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:32,600 like I said, just which strain you're growing, when you planted it, when you harvested it, and if you can, how how much you harvested. 763 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:41,360 We can start with that and then just scale up, see how big we can take this. 764 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:53,640 So again, I'm so my GG for even with the spider mites and the predator mites and ladybugs last year gave me over a pound. 765 00:59:53,640 --> 01:00:04,400 And now I have back in black and a hash plant that's from a local seed manufacturer because I'm doing a closed loop system now. 766 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,680 And I'm just going to make my own seeds, too. So thank you. 767 01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:16,440 I I'm volunteering. Well, if you got a pound off of one plant, then I think there's no no no no no. 768 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:21,680 It was six. I'm legally allowed to grow six. I have a little house. 769 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:27,840 I have little lights and but they're not like your traditional closet fluorescent lights. 770 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:32,120 Right. These can kick some serious sun butt. 771 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:38,840 And, you know, it's amazing like LED technology, but I get it outdoors better. 772 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,680 But, you know, sometimes, too, you want to be discreet. 773 01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:47,920 You know, you don't necessarily want you know, you might live in a closed kind of society, too, which I kind of do. 774 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:57,120 You know, I moved into a place that's more has more people around it, not like in the country like before when I could grow outside. 775 01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,520 But I won't even buy clones from dispensaries. 776 01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,800 You know, it's like that's where the the viruses are. 777 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,760 That's where the rushing and corner cutting is. 778 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:13,120 Well, don't want to pick on anyone. But but yes, actually, definitely watch out for that. 779 01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:21,200 I've actually have heard that that be super cautious about clones you see at dispensaries. 780 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:26,240 And it's it's not their fault. It's just it's just part of it. 781 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:34,560 Right. It's a. They have you have to keep these clones or cuttings in strict quarantine. 782 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,760 But they do it for profit. Keegan. Right. 783 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:43,560 Believe me, in Massachusetts, what they were charging for clones was highway robbery. 784 01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:47,200 And I don't know. 785 01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,440 I guess it. Right. 786 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,520 You have to know what you're getting into. 787 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:57,960 I'm OK with it because it's like if somebody just wants to buy a clone and just kind of grow it for fun 788 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:07,920 and maybe it died, then then a well, it's kind of like, you know, maybe you grow a quick tomato plant 789 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,840 you bought that already has tomatoes on it at Home Depot or something. 790 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,480 So kind of kind of cheating or not really cheating. 791 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:22,960 But like I said, I'm a big fan of people growing proceed. 792 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,240 I love to see it just I just love to see it. 793 01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,200 Just these tiny little seeds. 794 01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,560 And then they they send out a little tail to germinate. 795 01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,760 And then, like you said, they grow into these remarkable plants. 796 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:48,120 And I did the quick math and you were getting about two and two thirds ounces per plant, which 797 01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,480 my G4 last year did phenomenal. 798 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,840 But then also to my girls started growing past the light. 799 01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:03,240 And I have the light right way above my carbon filters, way up at the top of my tight because, you know, 800 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,120 I grow in a small space. 801 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:14,480 So I had a little two bedroom, two bath that has 100 amp service instead of the four bedroom house in the country. 802 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,240 And but it's amazing how much you can grow. 803 01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:26,600 And honestly, the more that you the more water that you know, the more you mistreat cannabis sometimes, 804 01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:33,240 it's like she just those girls just like excrete all this oil. 805 01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:34,600 It's incredible. 806 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,160 And I don't know, I came into it late in life. 807 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:47,200 But, you know, and I guess to because I'm a high tech girl and, you know, I never really got into the hippie movement or anything. 808 01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,400 But you know what? Those hippies, they got it going on. 809 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:56,280 I don't know. That's what I discovered. 810 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:57,600 I absolutely love it. 811 01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:08,600 And it just brings it back to the point, like, you know, the plants want to grow their weeds after all. 812 01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,920 I don't know. I'm just tickled. 813 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,560 I think it's phenomenal. 814 01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:20,160 So as I said, let's let's keep let's keep documenting this because I don't know. 815 01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:29,760 I think if the data once again, we'll anonymize it because we definitely want to make sure the home growers stay confidential. 816 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:40,320 But I just kind of think if people kind of understood a bit more what it's all about, then I don't know. 817 01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,320 I think it could help the cannabis industry out. 818 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:55,160 Right. And just, you know, just nice people at home, just just growing some plants and just you just are interested in the particularly oily ones. 819 01:04:55,160 --> 01:05:00,960 Well, you know, it's kind of interesting, too, because I did some research, too, you know, even with kids like these kids. 820 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:05,800 Right. You know, they they grow with just a fluorescent bulb, right. 821 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,520 Like a little tiny bulb in a closet. 822 01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,160 And and they still come up with some bud. 823 01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:16,960 It doesn't take a ton of bud sometimes to, you know, help somebody get through a year. 824 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,920 Right. Until the next grow. I don't know. It's kind of interesting. 825 01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:35,320 I just really hope that big cannabis, these big cannabis companies that are rushing and corner cutting weed just for, you know, taxable and what have you profit that they're not going to ruin it for everybody. 826 01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:42,560 Like they did. I've got I've got faith in us. I've got faith in the people. 827 01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:52,840 Right. So you just got to make sure plant stays in people's hands because it's kind of like the same incentive about asking for your lab results. 828 01:05:52,840 --> 01:06:02,160 We're well, maybe maybe not. But it's like, hey, you know, if you're not going to tell us what's in the plants, then we'll just have to grow it ourselves. 829 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:07,240 So I have that medical card in Massachusetts. I paid for it. 830 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:11,120 I did the doctor appointment. I have the card. But you know what? 831 01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,280 And I get free product. Right. So I don't know what. 832 01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,360 I maybe 200 I paid for the card. So I get 200 free product. 833 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:25,880 But honestly, Keegan, with everything I know now, I don't think I want to buy in Massachusetts or from any state. 834 01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,520 Well, I'm stuck in Florida right when I go down in the winter. 835 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,520 But, you know, because I don't think it's healthy. 836 01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:38,920 I think that there's so much hidden in Massachusetts and in some of these other states. 837 01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:44,640 I'm a little suspicious. I almost feel like a cannabis conspiracy theorist. 838 01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:52,480 And that's crazy. But it's just like there's so much fact behind it and so much non transparency. 839 01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:59,480 It's awful. It's not like you said, it's not necessarily a conspiracy because we saw it in Washington state. 840 01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:07,480 There's a non negligible amount of cannabis out there that I don't know. 841 01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,800 I wouldn't really feel comfortable consuming it. 842 01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:17,000 And luckily, we can actually see the data in Washington. 843 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:21,800 Yes, it's it's not like easy, right? 844 01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:28,440 Because you have to do a Freedom of Information Act and then actually go and look at it. 845 01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,640 But at least in Washington, they listen to your Freedom of Information Act. 846 01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:38,400 They follow rules and laws, whereas in Massachusetts, they do not. 847 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:50,160 You know, it's like they deny everybody's Freedom of Information Act unless it's something small, you know, that might show some monetary gain collected. 848 01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:54,560 But certainly nothing when it comes to the health of medical patients. 849 01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:59,160 And, you know, I don't know, I'm going to be quiet now. 850 01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:04,720 I'm so disappointed, though. I was so gung ho seven years ago about cannabis. 851 01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:12,840 And it's like I said, I'm doing my I was sort of in that boat even as much as this morning. 852 01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:27,200 Where, yes, it's a little frustrating, I guess, seeing a I guess maybe people put in profit over people. 853 01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:32,640 I'm not certain. But. But I've got hope. 854 01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:41,920 And what gives me hope is when I see, you know, like, for example, you, where you grew a pound of just nice, clean, 855 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:47,120 really cool. So you know, spider mites. 856 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,880 So there was a little trouble last year. I did get a clone. Right. 857 01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:55,320 But yeah, and that's it. 858 01:08:55,320 --> 01:09:00,080 But we'll be wrapping up. But basically. 859 01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:09,040 Always got to look at this, the jar half full and in Candace's case, it's maybe a bit more than half full. 860 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:14,640 So that's good. Right. A full jar of gorilla glue. 861 01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:26,480 So, you know, please keep thinking about this, because obviously there is, you know. 862 01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:30,120 The cannabis space could use your good thoughts. 863 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:37,000 So keep thinking and, you know, please feel free to reach out. 864 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:41,040 If you have any questions or comments or thoughts during the week. 865 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:49,480 And exactly. Let's let's rendezvous next week and hopefully learn a bit more about the Hop Slate and Viroid. 866 01:09:49,480 --> 01:09:58,080 Hey, and are you going to put like some of this data onto the Slack channel so that we can start filling out the information or? 867 01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:03,800 Yes, I'm going to make a worksheet and then I'll just put the. 868 01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:15,400 As always, it's a starting point, so I'll put a worksheet there and then you can take it, make it your own, make some adjustments. 869 01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,920 Throw it out and make your own new one, just anything. 870 01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:24,320 So, as always, it's a starting point and then we can take it from there. 871 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,880 Wait, cool. Thank you. Definitely. 872 01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:33,200 Thank you all for coming. Thank you for helping advance cannabis science and stay productive. 873 01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,720 Until next week, everyone, keep being awesome.