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Alright welcome back to the podcast everybody.
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In this episode we have special guest Ida Hamer.
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Ida is a television journalist and reporter for RTL who was raised in Zagreb, went to
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the UK for school and decided to move back to Croatia and start her career.
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She also started and runs the project, Straanatsu Hojavatskoe, where she interviews foreigners
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who moved to Croatia about their experience and why they decided to live there.
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In this episode we're going to learn more about her, her projects, and her interviews.
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Ida, thanks for coming on the podcast.
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You're very welcome.
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I appreciate you taking the time to come on here, the All Things Croatia podcast.
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I'd first seen you, I forget how many months ago, maybe four or five months ago, for your
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Straanatsu Hojavatskoe project, where of course you're talking to people not from Croatia
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who are here in Croatia, but before we sort of get into that, can you tell us a little
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bit more about yourself?
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I know you were born and raised in Zagreb, what was that like for you growing up?
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I think, can you tell us a bit about yourself is one of the hardest questions always, because
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then you need to tell us something about yourself and I'm always very bad at it.
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Yeah, I was born in Zagreb and my parents are from Zagreb, but I spent my childhood
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in Zabok, which is in Zagreb.
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Then we moved back to Zagreb when I went to high school and then after that I went to
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the UK to study.
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In my high school I used to love theater.
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I was acting in a theater in a musical, which made me really happy.
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And during my high school I decided to move to the UK, so then I was kind of working towards
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that.
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And I don't know what else to say.
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So you were still in high school when you moved to the UK?
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I thought just for a couple...
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No, I moved to the UK to go to the university, but during my high school somewhere when I
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was, let's say, my first grade or second grade, actually it was I think second grade.
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We went to our trip with a school to London as I was attending bilingual school, so it
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was also kind of part of the whole project to go to London.
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So we went to London and I kind of fell in love with London at the time.
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And that's when I actually really made a decision to go and study there, even though I always
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kind of dreamed of going to study somewhere abroad, but that was the time when I actually
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decided, okay, I want to go to study abroad definitely.
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And I at the time still didn't know it's going to be actually UK.
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There were many different places in my mind that I was reconsidering, but the UK was the
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one in the end where I ended up.
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And how did you like it over there?
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I mean, it's got to be, I've actually I've never been to the UK, but I would imagine
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it's completely different than Croatia.
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It was a big challenge for me, I need to say that.
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When you're like, I just turned 19 when I moved to the UK, and you kind of have that
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feeling that you're a grown up, but you're actually not a grown up, you are getting there,
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but you know, you are still not there exactly.
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And I thought, you know, that I've got everything, you know, that I'm a grown up.
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But then when you actually go somewhere where you're so far away from your whole support
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system, your family, your friends, from everything that you've known and where you actually, you
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know, grew up and you put yourself in a completely different culture with completely new challenges.
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It is perhaps that's the time when you realize, okay, you know, now I actually need to be
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that grown up and you need to actually take care of yourself in the whole sense of that
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word.
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And I was, I found a job, I was working throughout my whole studies.
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And at the time when I got there, I didn't know a single person on the island.
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I later on reconnected with my relative who actually lived in London.
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So she was kind of here and then took me with her to London on weekends because I was not
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in London.
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I moved to Northampton, which is 45 minutes with a train to London.
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So sometimes over the weekends, I would go to see her and then she would take me to all
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these amazing places.
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But at the time, I didn't know a single person on the whole island.
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So it was very challenging for me and it was a big cultural shock, definitely.
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You know, the weather is not the weather like what it's like in Croatia.
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So the whole, you know, raining part and the dark darkness, like it was autumn and then
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winter and actually the dark started to fall down very, very quickly.
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And the rain and the wind, that was like very depressing for me because, you know, now even
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like in November, we had, you know, sunny days, even now today was sunny outside.
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So that was challenging and, you know, the coffee culture that they don't have and we
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have it where, you know, you just sit down with your friends and have a cup of coffee
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and then you talk about everything that bothers you.
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What was actually a big cultural shock for me were the mobile phones.
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Like everyone were constantly on their mobile phones.
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And I was a bit surprised by that because even though we all, of course, had mobile
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phones in Croatia, when we were together, we were not using them so much.
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Like we were spending time with each other joking around and stuff like that.
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And I kind of felt people are more virtually connected than we were virtually connected
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in Croatia.
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So all sorts of things like that kind of were very challenging for me.
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But I think that the experience that I gained there was the experience that I would never
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gain if I would have stayed in Croatia.
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Not only the educational part, because the educational system is much different from
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the one in Croatia, but also the life experience that I got being away from my family, being
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away from my friends and everything that I've known at the time, studying at a different
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language, working on a different language, operating completely on a different language.
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The funny thing is that when I got to the UK, I thought, well, I know English, but I
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was used to the American English.
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And then I heard British English and I was like very confused for the first two weeks.
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Like it was completely different for me to understand it and the jokes that they've made
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in their own dialects and stuff like that, I didn't understand.
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So I was kind of like panicking, how am I going to finish the university here?
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I don't understand anything they're saying.
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But then after two weeks, of course, it started to be much easier.
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But yeah, so good experience overall, good experience, good life experience.
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I really appreciate it with all of its challenges.
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I really appreciate that I had that experience because that experience actually showed me
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that perhaps positive sides of Croatia.
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Like now maybe I'm going off topic, but one of the reasons, like when I moved out of Croatia,
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I was a teenager, but I saw that some things are not working out here.
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Like I saw the corruption and nepotism and lack of opportunities and I thought that the
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grass is greener.
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So I was kind of a bit perhaps frustrated with the government and with how everything
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works around here in Croatia.
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But then when I got to England, after a while I actually realized what are the positives
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of our country.
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We have this beautiful nature.
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We can be at the seaside in two hours if we want to.
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We still have that big connection with people around us.
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We have solidarity.
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I think people are much more connected with each other still here and all sorts of things
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like that.
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So I think the opposite happened.
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I started to romanticize perhaps Croatia a bit more than because I was homesick.
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But now I think that and even when I came back to Croatia, I was full of optimism and
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motivation and energy.
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And then I think I saw everything through pink glasses.
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But now I can say that I have a really realistic view about both things.
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I have realistic view.
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What is it like to live abroad?
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And I have a realistic view of what is it like to live in Croatia?
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Croatia is a beautiful country, but it has many of its problems, of course.
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But it is not necessarily true that the grass is always greener.
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Well having both those experiences then, living in Croatia, thinking the grass is greener
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going to the UK and now coming back to Croatia, it sounds like you've decided that the benefits
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outweigh the pros outweigh the cons coming back and living in Croatia?
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People always ask me why have you came back?
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When I actually came back, people were so shocked.
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And that was the time when all of my peers, my generation, they went abroad.
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Many of my friends went abroad to study or they went abroad later on in their lives.
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And some of them are still there, living abroad.
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So it was a time where it was very popular to move out of Croatia.
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And I was the person who came back.
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And that was something that was very shocking for people in Croatia.
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Like when I would see somebody on the street that I don't perhaps really know, I don't
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know the person, like a neighbor or somebody like that, people would ask me like, oh my
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god, why have you moved back?
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And they were so shocked and surprised.
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Like the bombs are falling down around us.
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And I didn't have like, it was kind of like not so motivational for a young person to
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be coming back to their home country and people were so shocked.
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And, you know, they approach you like you've made a wrong decision.
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But I understand where they are coming from.
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I did understand that at the time and I understand it now.
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But my answer is not a complicated one.
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I just decided when I finished the university, it's time to go back home.
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Like that's it.
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Like I just said to myself, okay, I'm going back home.
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So there's nothing complicated behind that decision.
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It's just that I wanted to go home.
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That's all.
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But you're, I mean, are you happy here now that you've been, how long has it been since
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you returned?
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It's been five years now.
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Okay.
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Am I happy?
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I would say that sometimes I wonder what would life be like for me if I have stayed.
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But that doesn't necessarily mean I'm not happy here.
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Actually I have made a great life here for myself.
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I do the job that I like.
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I'm living with my boyfriend.
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We have our friends surrounding us, our family surrounding us.
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We have opportunity to make little trips, whether that's somewhere inside of Croatia
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or in the neighboring countries or somewhere else.
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So I think that I never, when people are asking me whether I've regretted my decision to move
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back to Croatia, no, I haven't.
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And I don't think I ever will.
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And if I ever feel that I'm regretting it, I probably will move abroad again.
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I never actually said to myself, okay, I'm going back to Croatia and I'm never moving
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out of Croatia again.
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No, that's not true.
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If I will not be satisfied with my life at some point, perhaps I will look to other options.
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But at a moment I'm really satisfied how everything is turning out for me.
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And the thing is, there's a hard work behind it.
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You can't just accept that your life is going to be perfect.
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You need to work hard to get the life that you want.
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And you need to be realistic enough to understand that for some things you need to be patient.
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And whether that's abroad or here, you need to make your life good for yourself.
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And that does not necessarily mean that your life is going to be much better if you move
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abroad.
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If you have much more opportunities, maybe you will have a great job and great experience,
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but maybe you will miss your friends or your family.
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There are always pros and cons for every country, whether that's your home country or a country
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that's somewhere else.
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So I think it depends what you want in your life.
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Yeah, that's a very well-spoken answer for a tough question.
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Sorry to put you on the spot.
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Are you happy?
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No, it's okay.
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It's a legitimate question.
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It's a question to think about, though.
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Definitely.
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No, I was like, hmm, yeah, but it's a legitimate question.
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One more question for you about the UK before we get into your career and what you're doing
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now as far as journalism and reporting.
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I've heard you see on the internet a bunch of memes and stuff about the food over in
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England.
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It's pretty bland and coming from Croatia, which is culturally rich with food, different
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types of foods and good food.
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Did you notice anything?
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Is that a true stereotype about England?
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I don't want to offend anyone, but to be quite honest, my first shock was I came to England,
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came to Northampton, and the first thing was, right, I'm here now.
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I'm going to go and I'm going to drink a cup of coffee somewhere.
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So I went to this pub, wrong thing to drink coffee in a pub, so I went to this pub and
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I ordered coffee and I ordered cappuccino and I got it in a really big mug and it was
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like a soup and I was like, what's this?
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And it didn't take like coffee, it tasted like milk with perhaps, you know, slightest
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sip of coffee.
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So it took me a while to get used to English coffees and I always took some coffee with
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me when I was going back to Croatia to visit my family and friends over the holidays.
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I would always take Croatian coffee with me back to England and then I was making myself
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a Turkish coffee at home because I can't live without it and I never anywhere managed to
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find something that would be similar like that when we are talking about this commercial
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coffee shops in the UK.
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When it comes to food, to be quite honest, they're not eating healthy and that concerned
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me because I was like, okay, I don't want to be that student that's going to eat frozen
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food constantly, you know, frozen pizza and chicken nuggets and who's going to eat fast
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food and stuff like that.
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I'm not raised like that, you know, there's always needs to be some soup, you know, at
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least once or twice a week, mix it up a bit, you know.
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So actually I was very often I would cook for myself at home and I really was trying
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to be careful about what I'm eating because I didn't want to develop bad habits.
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The food is not amazing there.
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I need to say that it's not and I'm really sorry.
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I don't want to offend anyone.
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However, they do have perhaps in London, for example, plenty of restaurants and so many
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rich cultures where you can try Vietnamese, Vietnamese, you can try, you know, I don't
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know, even Croatian food, you can try Italian from all sorts of different countries.
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So you always have plenty of options and of course, plenty of greatest restaurants are
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in London.
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So I think that my answer is no, the food is not perhaps best in the UK.
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However, they do have plenty of different options where you can, you know, try out some
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great stuff.
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Yeah, I'm sure in London, it's a big city.
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There's plenty of, you know, diversity as far as food goes.
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Yes, definitely, definitely.
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I'm planning to go to the UK in March, fingers crossed to see my friends there.
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So like I'm just, you know, now thinking about some restaurants where I want to where I want
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to eat some food that we've perhaps had here in Croatia.
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Hmm, yeah, that's true.
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Although Zagreb is starting to get, I've noticed more and more restaurants from, you
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know, different diverse backgrounds.
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It is.
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And I'm completely thrilled about it.
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A couple of years.
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There once they there weren't so many.
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So sorry, it's my alarm for something.
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I'm just going to take it off.
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No worries.
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Are we short on time?
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No, no, no, I've got time.
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That's for something else just to remind you.
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Sometimes I put alarm to remind myself of the things that I actually need to do.
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Yeah, but where were we?
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I thought a couple of years ago the food in Zagreb restaurant.
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Yeah, so I'm completely thrilled that there are some great stuff to try here as well.
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Yeah, I agree.
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Well, I want to ask you about, you know, your career now, your reporter slash journalist
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for RTL.
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How did that happen?
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Did you major in journalism at university?
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Yeah.
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And then from there, it was multimedia journalism.
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And I need to say that I still I'm still in touch with my professors in the UK.
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And sometimes, you know, they ask me for something or ask them for something.
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And I just want to take this opportunity to say that, you know, they're they've done
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a great job.
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And the reason that I wanted to go and study multimedia journalism in the UK was and to
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study abroad because I know that their educational system is much different.
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And we had plenty of practical work, which I really appreciate today.
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And we weren't just, you know, students, they really try to approach to us as individuals.
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And we had small groups.
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So they were very, you know, they took time to to actually be devoted to us as individuals.
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And they did took a lot of care that I feel comfortable there knowing that I'm away from
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my friends and family.
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So just wanted to take this opportunity to to say to them that I didn't forget that.
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But yeah, I did major in journalism.
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And then you asked me how the RTL happened.
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I came back to creation and started to look for job and I applied to many different, many
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different jobs.
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And then the job opened at the RTL and I applied for that too.
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And I had an interview, few, few, few circles of interviews.
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And then I passed.
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Here I am now.
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What was your role at first coming on?
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I was my role was a journalist, but I started from scratch.
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So I was doing desk journalism.
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So I was kind of doing, we call it like, shorter news that are airing at 430.
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So I started from that.
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And after a while, I, you know, got an opportunity to to reports then live reporting.
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So I was kind of, I started from scratch and now building it up.
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So now what are your responsibilities?
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I know you're doing the live reporting.
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I've seen some of that.
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Are you writing articles as well?
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No, we don't write articles for television.
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However, I am also doing another job, which is I'm doing interviews with people who perhaps
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made some kind of difference in creation public space, like the actors or singers or architects
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or, you know, scientists or all sorts of different people.
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So I meet with them, I interviewed them.
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And then I write in write interviews down.
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So I am doing a bit of writing, but that's not for the RTL.
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In the, at the RTL, we don't do articles.
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We do reports, television reports and live reporting.
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And that the interviewing that you just mentioned, what is that for?
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Where can people listening find those articles that you're writing in the interviews?
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I'm talking about the HR.
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And took me a while to transition into my groggy mindset for a little bit.
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And I'll put a link to that so, you know, people can check that out.
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Whoever's listening, you have a favorite, perhaps live report for RTL that you've done?
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You know, sometimes people ask me what's my favorite thing that I've done?
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I don't know, really, there are plenty of things that I really enjoyed working on.
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What really makes me happy is be the person who does good stories and stories that are positive
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or have some positive outcome.
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I really enjoy doing culture, covering culture and covering, you know,
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happenings, whether that's music, theater or, you know, something like that.
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And, you know, stuff like that makes me perhaps the most happy when I'm doing things like that.
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When it comes to, you know, something that's my favorite, I really enjoyed perhaps traveling
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to Indonesia with the RTL, which happened a while ago, a couple of years ago.
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We've done some travel reports from there and that was like really good experience.
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We've done a lot of things, so it wasn't easy.
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It was like a very, very high tempo, but actually it was amazing.
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It was just to see that nature, to meet those people.
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I met some Croatians who moved to Indonesia, spoke with them.
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So that's something that I'll probably assert and we will remember for the rest of my life.
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And things like that, yeah.
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It's hard to just say, you know, this was the best.
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It's really hard.
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I know, I'm giving you tough questions here.
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Yes.
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I feel like you just mentioned, I feel like Croatians will always find a way to meet other Croatians,
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you know, throughout all the world, no matter.
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That's certain.
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That's for sure.
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Like, not just Croatian people from this area, whether it's from Bosnia or Serbia,
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like when I was in the UK, we used to have this thing where we,
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a couple of us from Croatia would meet, make ourselves Turkish coffee
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and then we would talk and hang out.
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And I met some pretty great people, Croatian people in the UK.
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And basically, I've met a friend.
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We are still in touch.
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He's from Serbia.
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He's living in the UK.
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So I think, and how we met is that we heard each other languages on the street.
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So I think that, you know, when we are abroad, we are so great to each other,
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no matter from which neighboring countries you're coming from.
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I'm just not sure why this is sometimes not happening when we are actually in our own countries,
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which is very sad, but hopefully those things are going to change as well.
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Yeah.
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Well, that's a topic for someone who knows more than I do.
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That's for sure.
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You mentioned, you know, you like positive and cultural type projects.
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You know, I want to talk about Strahmnac and Hrvatskoje, which is a foreigner in Croatia.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, no, yeah.
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That would be a literal translation and it would be right.
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When did you come?
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How did you come up with that and when?
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And, you know, what is it about?
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So basically, when I moved back to Croatia,
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I kind of realized that there are many foreigners that moved to Croatia as well.
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Croatia didn't have so many people from abroad living in Croatia before.
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And I kind of felt that when we entered the European Union, that changed.
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And that was the time where I actually went to UK.
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So when I was, I felt like when I was in the UK, people just moved to Croatia.
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And then I came back from Croatia and I realized when I went back to Croatia and I realized,
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OK, you know, there are people from abroad living in Croatia as well.
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So I met a couple of them and there are some meetups for foreigners who decided to move to Croatia
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or Croatia and Diaspora moving to Croatia or Croatia's who moved abroad and now came back to Croatia.
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They are called International Business Meetup Club.
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So I actually, it's an informal, informal hanging out, just, you know,
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networking and talking about stuff you want to talk about.
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And I went on a couple of those meetings and I realized, you know,
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that there are plenty of interesting people around me with many of interesting stories.
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So this is where I actually kind of realized after a while that it would be interesting
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to make reports about people who moved here to hear their stories and what they like to share.
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And I always wanted that to be something positive.
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Like I wanted people from Croatia to meet those people and hear what are their problems
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and how do they find us and, you know, what are they are struggling the most with.
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And I wanted it to be like perhaps a bit educational,
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but also informal and fun and positive.
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And so I've done that project.
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That project was aired last year for around eight months, every Friday on RTL Dana, so on our main news.
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I'm actually very proud how that all turned out to be.
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We had almost million, no, more than a million, around a million views on social media
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when you look at all of those reports.
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So I think that those numbers actually show me that people were interested to see and hear different stories
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from foreigners who decided to move to Croatia.
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And I've met so many interesting people with interesting stories.
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And I'm very grateful that they actually all, I don't think that anyone refused me.
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Perhaps, I don't know, one, two, three people perhaps refused to share their story with me,
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but they were all very open-minded.
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And I'm very grateful they let me into their homes, their businesses,
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and to, with an open heart, tell me why they are here.
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And those were the stories for me that actually reminded me why Croatia is a beautiful country.
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Because foreigners see the things that we sometimes take for granted.
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And those are perhaps the reasons why they moved here,
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because the country is safe, because the weather is nice, because the people are nice,
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because the food is awesome, because the nature is beautiful,
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and there are so many things that you can do here.
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And also, it's so well connected with the rest of the world.
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So I think they reminded me why Croatia is beautiful.
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And I really hope that those stories inspired somebody.
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Because at times, they certainly inspired me.
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I really think it's a great thing what you're doing, and I'm really a big fan of it.
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Have you, did you receive sort of any common answers, you know,
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in these questions that they're asking, that you're asking them, you know,
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as to why did they come to Croatia and why did, do they like it?
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Everyone said that, almost everyone said that people are great,
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and almost everyone said that the streets are safe,
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and that the country is beautiful, everyone mentioned nature.
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But there are some common problems that bother them, and these are bureaucracy,
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and language that they all consider to be very hard.
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So what else?
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I think those two things were actually something that they were repeating the most.
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Yeah, I agree that the language is tough.
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I'm learning myself Croatian.
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And when you mentioned earlier in the beginning that you were spending a lot of time in Zagoria,
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first thing I thought it was, oh, like I wouldn't be able to understand anything over there.
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I can understand that.
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Well, Croatian language is a hard language.
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It's really a hard language.
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And sometimes when I would ask people whether they want to be interviewed in Croatian or in English,
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they would say, oh, can we please do it in English?
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My Croatian is very bad.
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But sometimes they would say a sentence or two or three in Croatian,
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and then I would really appreciate the effort they're making.
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So I know it takes a lot of time, and we all understand that.
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However, it's always nice to hear somebody trying.
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But if you can't speak any Croatian, that's completely fine with us as well,
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because I think that the majority of Croatian people are OK with English.
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They speak English or understand English at least.
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I think it might even be one of the highest in Europe of English literacy levels.
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I think Croatian has a very high English-speaking population.
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But yeah, they do.
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Croatians do always appreciate my personal experience when you try to speak Croatian,
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even though I know I'm messing up all the Pátegí and everything.
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Pátegí are awful, even for us.
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But yeah, the Stranac or Hrvatskoe, where can people find that?
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That's a really cool thing that you're doing.
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And I think a lot of people listening would be interested in hearing some of the stories of these people.
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You said that's on Arteo Daneš?
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Yeah, so it was aired last year.
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Now we took a little break from that.
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However, you can still find the reports that I've done before on some of our social media and on our website.
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So if anyone interested, I can send you the links.
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Message me on Instagram or somewhere, and I will be happy to share you some links.
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Yes, and I'll include all the links that you would like in the episode description,
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so people who are listening can click on those.
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Ida, before I let you go, I think I went a little over time when I told you this was going to be...
460
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,840
No, it's fine. It's completely fine.
461
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,520
Because I know that I can talk a lot, so maybe I actually went over time.
462
00:33:54,520 --> 00:34:00,200
It's all great stuff, though. All really interesting stories and what you're doing is really cool.
463
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,280
What do you have as far as future plans?
464
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:10,680
I want to still be very focused on my job. That's my priority at the moment.
465
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,880
But I've always been like that. I just really like to keep myself busy.
466
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:24,920
And especially if I'm doing things that I enjoy, I just really want to be able to put myself out there completely.
467
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,600
So I want to continue to building my career.
468
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:34,160
I think that there are perhaps... I really hope there are some great stuff ahead of me.
469
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:41,120
Hopefully some great projects in the future. Some new, perhaps serious, like,
470
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,440
Foreigner in Croatia. Perhaps something like that or something different.
471
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,720
I don't know. I really want to be focused on my career and I want to be focused on my friends and family.
472
00:34:49,720 --> 00:35:00,560
And just spending my time with them and also taking every free time that I have to be able to go and travel somewhere.
473
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:06,200
I love traveling, but I just sometimes don't have enough time.
474
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:19,840
And also the coronavirus kind of as well, as well, did perhaps messed up the tempo of traveling that I used to perhaps had.
475
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,480
But I think it was for all of us. It was quite stressful.
476
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:34,200
So yeah, these are my plans. Nothing really very exciting. Just normal stuff.
477
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,760
Yeah, if you're continuing what you're doing now, I mean, it's all exciting because what you're doing now is exciting.
478
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,320
You're doing some really cool stuff.
479
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,800
And I really appreciate you coming on the All Things Croatia podcast here.
480
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:50,720
And yeah, I wish you the best of luck and excited to see what you do in the future.
481
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:54,880
Thank you very much. I really appreciate your kind words and thank you for inviting me.