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eat a modalia and let's get started. Okay, welcome back to the podcast everybody. We're
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kicking off season two with this episode's guest, Dragica Drastegorats. Dragica is a
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Peruvian Croatian who moved to the homeland in search of a better or different life. And since
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then she's learned the Croatian language, started her own Croatian-themed brand and business,
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Furovamor, which you might already be familiar with, and even does stand-up comedy in Croatian.
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In this episode, we're going to hear the why and how behind her story. Dragica, thanks for coming
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on the podcast. Hi, Stan Ko, thank you for being your host guest, actually. Yes, I appreciate you
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coming on. I heard about you a while ago because you are a so-called success story in terms of
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You made it sound very big. Well, it's true. It's true. I mean, you made the move here,
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first of all. You had to deal with the paperwork. I know that's always a hassle. You found a job,
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hobbies, you started the business, and now you're living here in Croatia happily. That's the most
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important thing, right? Before we talk about all this, your company, your brand, your stand-up comedy,
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can we go back to the beginning and talk a little bit about your Croatian background and heritage?
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My dad is from Croatia. He's actually from Puprez. He's like, I always say, 100% Croatian or
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200% Croatian. And my mom has Croatian and half from everywhere in Europe, because I don't have
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really family from Peru, but we were all born in Peru. So we're all in like three quarters of
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family, really, really, really Croatian. So I just grew up in that culture, even though we didn't
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start at home, but we always went to the church on Croatian. We always sung Croatian songs.
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We were like for traditions, very, very Croatian. Some things that people didn't even understand.
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I remember like a good night instead of good night to everybody, even when growing up and going to
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my friend's house. It was so normal to me to say like a notch that they were, what does that mean?
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And I was like, oh, I forget I'm not at home. And I have to explain what like a notch means.
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You're from Lima, right? In Peru? Yes, in Peru. In Lima. Yes, I grew up in Lima.
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What in general is the Croatian community like there? Is it a big community?
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Unfortunately, no. It's now most people from third and fourth generation. I'm the second,
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but most of them are granddaughters and grandsons of the people that came in the 84
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after the Second World War. I think that's when the strongest community arrived in Croatia,
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because they arrived all together and they needed a club or a place where to have
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parties and reunions and everything. So that's when it was stronger, but then
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it faded away a little bit. It's not that big as in Chile or Argentina, unfortunately.
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I think that after this program of Croaticum started and people started to come here,
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it kind of expanded a little bit to at least fourth generation, for example,
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because they found out that they have a place to go as Croatians.
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Well, so it sounds like in Lima then it's more of a third and fourth generation. People aren't as
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close to their roots as in other communities in Latin America.
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Yes, definitely. There is not a lot of people talking Croatian, for example, or having connection
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with the songs. For example, I heard Croatian songs, but unfortunately there is not a lot of
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people doing that with their families because they don't have how. They have a grandfather or a
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grandmother from Croatia. Most of them pass away, unfortunately, so they don't have a link
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to Croatia until they come here. And had you been to Croatia at all growing up as a kid?
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I lived in Osjec for two years when I was nine years old. It was after the war and the government
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had support for families back after the war. We took that and tried to live here, but it was hard
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for my mom because of the language. And then we decided to go back because it was not a good economic
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situation. It was better on that time in Lima. Now then moving once to Croatia and moving back
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to Peru, then why did you decide to try it a second time? What was different for you?
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I always had a bug saying me go to Croatia. I didn't understand why, but I wanted to try. I heard
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and first I thought it would be really hard for experiences and everything, but then when I
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read more about that, I realized that it wasn't that expensive to go somewhere else.
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I came here in 2014. I had a little bit of a shock because coming from the Aspera,
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it's like everybody loves Croatia and everybody would give everything to be in Croatia. And then
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you come here so happy that you are finally in Croatia and they are all like, why are you here?
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Because I love Croatia. People were like, why? And then I understand that there are not the kind
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of people that I socialize with nowadays, but at the beginning it was kind of a shock because
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everybody here was happy to be here. But then I went back to Croatia. Peru was kind of a shock for me
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to be around so many people that don't love Croatia. I thought that the love for Croatia was
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bigger outside than in Croatia, but when I already had to leave, I bought the ticket back to Peru.
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And it was like from the moment that I bought the ticket, I had two more months here. And in those
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two months, I really understand that I want to be here. So I went back to Peru just to say goodbye
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to everybody forever and then came again and stay here. Wow, that's quite the story. And yeah,
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I agree. I mean, in the diaspora, I know in Los Angeles, everyone is about everything
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Croatian. They love Croatia. I thought it was funny. This is a sort of related story, but
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during the World Cup in 2018, everyone was wearing all their checkers all over. I had
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checkered pants that I was wearing and everyone thought it was great in Los Angeles. And then
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for this World Cup, I was here in Zagreb and I'm looking around and I'm the only one wearing
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these checkered pants, bright checkered pants and everyone's kind of looking.
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Everyone's also wearing their jerseys and stuff, but I was the only one with pants.
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And so people were getting a little bit of a smile out of that. But yeah, it's different in the
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diaspora community, of course, because that's all you hear about is Croatia and you hear the
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good things about it and stuff like that. You mentioned in Croatia, which is the program that
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actually I'm in right now as well for learning Croatian for the diaspora to come back
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to Croatia and learn. What was that like for you? How much, I mean, you had moved,
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you were in Oseac for two years before that. How much Croatian did you know before you started
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this program? I understand some of it. So I was like 1A+, the ones that know something but don't
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know grammar at all. And it was okay. I mean, it wasn't that hard for me. I mean, it's hard,
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the pathogenism, that is hard for Croatian people, that is hard. But understanding wasn't that hard.
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So then I said, well, I didn't have the 2A, just 1B and 2B. And it was okay. It wasn't
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the hardest thing because when you see that sometimes the teacher has problems to explain
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you why some rules are like that, then you say like, okay, I don't have to understand why.
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I just have to memorize it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, times like that you realize, wow, how difficult
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the learning Croatian is. Yeah, really difficult. But coming from Spanish,
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is that, I mean, me learning from English, it was hard. Is it any different? Do you think
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coming from a Spanish language background or no? I think it's the same. I mean,
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English and Spanish are different. But I think that in general, the difficulty is the same.
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It's not like coming from Poland, for example, that they also have pathogen. And they can
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understand that. Instead of that, but Spanish or English is the same. We don't have the
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pathogen, which is I think the hardest thing to understand when you just arrive.
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Yeah, I agree. Speaking of just arriving, you have maybe any advice for people who are learning
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Croatian for the first time? Don't give up. That's most important. Yeah, at times it definitely
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and try to not speak English because I know that in Croatia, a lot of people don't know English
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and it is easier to just throw the whole conversation in English. But if you do that,
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I mean, you can do the first month. But then when you have some words, try to use them because
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if you don't start at the beginning, then it will be harder. It's not like you are going to learn
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everything and then you're just like start speaking Croatian. You know, you will fail and
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people will laugh at you a lot of time and it's normal. But it's better than be here 15 years
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speaking English. Yeah, I made that mistake as well as falling back on English when I don't know
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how to say something in Croatian. And it makes it easier to get around, but it makes it harder to
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learn the language, of course. Yeah. How would you say your level is now? Are you fluent? Is it easy
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for you to communicate on a day-to-day basis in Croatian? Yes, I communicate like 90% of the
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time in Croatian, maybe with my brother in Spanish and with my parents when they are here or some
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family. But in general, I speak Croatian and I work in Croatian. I still make mistakes, especially
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grammar, but in general, I can understand 98%. You know, sometimes when you go somewhere like,
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I don't know, Zagoria or some mindlands that they have totally different
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vocabulary, it's hard. But in general, I can understand everything and everybody understands me, I think.
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Well, I want to talk about your stand-up comedy. I mean, for that, you are speaking Croatian and,
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you know, that's another level of understanding a language if you're able to tell jokes in a
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different language. How did you get started in comedy?
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Well, in Peru, I did a lot of acting. And when I came, I wanted also to perform, but it's hard to
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perform in Croatian when you don't know. I started in acting the same year that I came here. So I
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really didn't understand everything. And we have some classical scripts like Shakespeare,
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Molière and Dice, hard in Spanish, in Croatian, it's another level. So I wanted to look for a way
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to be on stage, to do something similar than acting. And I just saw some promotions, I think,
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about Sudezmija and Naikol and Marina Orsak, told me that I would be funny for my accent. So it's a
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McMister, it's still funny, funny, funny, or I'm funny in Croatian, but people laugh. It's good.
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Either way, the goal, you've reached the goal, you've got people to laugh, right?
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I think I have that same problem. I started doing stand up in Croatian a few months ago,
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I've gone maybe five, six times. And yeah, that's, I also think, probably especially for me,
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because my Croatian is not very good yet, that mostly when they laugh, it's I'm saying something
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wrong or I'm just saying it in a funny way. Maybe. Yeah. At least they're laughing. At least they're
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laughing. At least they're laughing. Yeah. How would you describe Croatian humor? Is it different?
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Is it different, you think, from in Peru or speaking in English? Is there something different
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you have to do when thinking of jokes in Croatian or just in general, how is Croatian humor
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seemed to you? Well, I think it most depends on the city. For example, when I had stand up in
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Istria, it's really, it's easier. It's like they are already, they are really relaxed, you know,
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they are ready to laugh. In Sagreb, especially if it's some bigger place, if it's not like a coffee
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or a pub, they are more like, they need 15 minutes or a beer to relax. You know, I think that's the
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main difference. But in general, they know how to laugh, especially women. Sometimes with men
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it's harder, but women, they laugh a lot. So you're telling me I need to go to Istria in front of an
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all female crowd to get the most laugh? Yeah, that will go very well. I might have to try and set that
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up somehow. Kickstart my career. I want to talk about your business that you started, which is
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puro amor, which is Spanish for pure love. In Spanish, it would be just love. Love. I should
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have double checked. I thought, oh, I took Spanish in high school. I don't need to double check.
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We'll translate before the episode. No, but you're the only one. Everybody, everybody thinks that it's
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pure love or chista lubeb. And I'm like, no, if it's amor puro, then it's pure love. But if it's
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puro amor, it's just love or some lubeb. Okay. My old Spanish professor would kill me if you hear
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me. We'll talk to us a little about that. What is it, first of all, and where did you get the idea for
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this new brand? Because it's still new. I started here inside it because I love creation language.
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I love quotes. And I wanted to make something with that that will show to people creation,
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lifestyle, creation, sense of humor. Sometimes it's really sarcastic. Sometimes it's just cute.
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But in general, I love to use creation quotes and things that they and put them on products.
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And so people can use can wear their attitude in in the process. There could be t-shirts,
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sweatshirts, mats, tote bags. But most of the things are with
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Okay, give an example of maybe one or two phrases or words that you would put on those.
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The first one, I think it was the first one that I created. I collect mats, and I wanted to have a
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mug in creation, but not like the the cathedral or something like that. I wanted something creative,
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and I couldn't find anywhere. So I said, like, how would how would I say but first coffee in creation,
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something similar to that. And I created Nemerem Nesbria Cade, which was, I think, the
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the first mug that I that I created. And it was for a long time one of the best sellers,
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because it's really like very, it's very creation, you know, like you can start anything before coffee.
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That is one of the first ones. Then the creation dictionary collection, it was really well accepted
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by especially Pomalo or Siaca, where I explain what Pomalo means, if you are not from creation,
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and you can't understand what Pomalo means to us.
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And were you getting, I mean, did it hit off right away as soon as you started the business,
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you were getting a lot of customers, or did it take time?
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I started in 2017, like, unofficially, because I didn't really have the time
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at the Museum of Illusions. So I didn't have time to do everything you have to do when you have a
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brand. So it didn't kick off immediately. It started at the end of the of that year, when I
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how do you say, when they heard me from the Museum, and I had to look for a way to live.
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And I said, if I don't take a chance now for my brand, we'll look for another job. And I will
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still go in that circle that I don't have time to do what I like. So I just paid for
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one Facebook group that is about Sagreb, Sagreb Facts. And that's how it started, actually,
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to be nice. And then they called me for some fairs. And then it all started to grow.
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The rest is history, they say. It's a big leap to start a business, especially in Croatia,
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where a lot of people complain about the paperwork and bureaucracy. What was your experience like
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in starting up a business in Croatia? Well, I was afraid because of that, of people saying that
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it's really hard. And I think that maybe because I was so afraid that I wasn't going to understand
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everything I was supposed to need, I just went to the office and asked for a night. I think I looked
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very clueless when I was there, because everybody was helping me like I was a little lost child.
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And they were really, really nice with me. They explained everything to me. And it wasn't that
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hard. It was like, okay, there are some things that I have to do that I don't see the sense on
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that for me, doesn't have some papers or this or that. But when you do all together, it takes you
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one day, two days to do everything. So it's not that hard, maybe because it's like overt, which is
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more simple to do. When you have really like another kind of firm, it's different, harder,
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and it's more money. But for what the model of business that I have, it wasn't that hard,
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as I was expecting. So for people who are maybe who were in your same position where they want
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to start a business, but they're scared to do it in Croatia, you would say go for it. It's worth it.
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Yeah, yeah, I think I would say go for it. Of course, no, you're not going to invest all your
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money. But if you read on like important or sites that really look that they have all
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information because you can difference, means fake news or not, you read, you ask to people
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that know. And especially I would stay apart from Facebook groups, because when I was added to this
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faith, Facebook groups about firms and things in Croatia about businesses, they were all like bad
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stories and bad experiences, nothing positive. So I said, I can't be here. I just called because
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it was just making me very confused. Yeah, too much negativity. Yeah, and fake news, you know,
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like this happened to me. And actually, that person made a big mistake. And that's why that
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happened to them. So you need to listen to the advice of people who know what they're doing that
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maybe. Yeah, yeah. Well, Dragunza, as we sort of come down to the end of the episode here,
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I want to ask you, do you have any future plans, you know, as far as comedy, as far as your brand,
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you know, what's sort of your goals for the future here in Croatia?
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I would love to have more stand up comedy, of course. Now we were talking about stand up comedy
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in English. And we will see now if I'm funny or funny in Croatia. And my brand, I want to
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create more last year, 2022 was a very busy year, but from the side of production,
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because I had a lot of collaborations with a lot of stores. And I want this year to create more
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because I have a lot of ideas. But last year, I didn't have the time. So I really want to create
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more and be able to get to more people that love Croatia, even they are here or outside of Croatia.
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Where can people find your products? Is it in store? Do you have a website or Instagram that
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you can shout out? For now, they can find on our website, or in a store next to in front of the
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cathedral actually, in Zagreb, they have some of dictionary products. And in Split on the store,
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Discover Croatia, they can also find some Pura more things now. And when the summer comes,
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there are a lot of stores in different cities. Awesome. Well, I have only one last short question
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for you, because I know that Peru is known for its amazing food. And I'm sure that you missed some
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of the specialties over there. Do you have a favorite Croatian dish? Favorite Croatian dish.
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I would say buttec, but then we will say that's not from Croatia. So I would change it from Dalmatian.
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Oh, yeah, that's very good. Actually, I think I've only added the menza here, which if it's good in
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the menza, I mean, it's good. It's even better. It's good in the menza then. For sure, it's good somewhere else.
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Yeah, exactly. Well, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. I appreciate the time.
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And we're looking forward to exciting things from you and from the brand and for your stand-up comedy as well.
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Thank you for the time also for inviting me.