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All right, everybody. Well, welcome back to the All Things Croatia podcast.

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Today we have a very special guest, Katica Rakuljic. She was the first runner up of Miss

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Universe Croatia in 2011. She represented Croatia at the Top Model of the World competition,

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among other titles in her successful modeling career. She was also recently at the, and I

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forgot I wanted to ask you how to pronounce this, Cannes Film Festival?

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Cannes Film Festival. I used to say it incorrectly myself.

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Really?

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I used to say Cannes.

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I think I'm pretty sure I just say Canes. I mean in the US, you know, you say everything.

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Yeah, I think. Yeah.

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Cannes, I'll try to pronounce that. If there's any of our French Croatian audience listening,

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hopefully they don't get upset at me. Film Festival, but you covered the festival this year,

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2023, as a TV presenter, as well as walking the red carpet as a model. Yeah, Katica, thanks for

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coming on the podcast. I'm excited to delve into this a little bit.

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Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm excited.

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Of course. Yeah. You know, if you could just sort of introduce yourself to, you know, our viewers

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who may not be familiar with you, tell us a little bit about, you know, where you were born and

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you're growing up.

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Okay. Yeah. So I was actually born in Split in Croatia. I lived there for three months and I

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came to Sweden to Gothenburg at the age of three months and I grew up in Sweden. I did a few beauty

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pageants, big pageants, as you mentioned, you know, Miss Universe, the model of the world.

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I live in Gothenburg. I was also Miss Gothenburg and I have been modeling for the past 10 years,

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living in a lot of cities around the world. I recently got into TV hosting, maybe two years

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ago, probably. And I also have a degree in economy and public administration and have been working

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six years in the Swedish government for the Swedish companies.

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Wow. So you're doing it all.

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A lot. Yeah.

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Well, you know, you mentioned, of course, you were born in Split, you know, you and your family

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moved to Sweden. Is there a big, there is a big Croatian community, I believe in Sweden, right?

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Is there one near you in Gothenburg? Yeah, we have the Croatian club,

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Velebit, here in Gothenburg, actually in my city, like 15 minutes from here, really.

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It's a Croatian club. They have their own like football team as well. And I used to dance there

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when I was much younger, the Croatian traditional dance. So I used to hang out there a lot, not so

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much now, but it is a very big community of Croatian people in Gothenburg, especially, I would say.

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Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, I read that you had, either I read or heard in another interview that you were

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dancing, you know, kolo growing up at the church. I think it's funny because we do that too in LA.

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Actually, I never did that. My dad did it and then I was, you know, the middle kid and they took my

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older sister to the church for language things. But by the time they had me, they were too far

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of a drive and everything. So I didn't do kolo, but a lot of my friends over there in the Croatian

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community did kolo. And when I first came to Croatia, I expected, I thought everyone danced kolo

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here, you know, and it turns out it's not like a modern, you know, popular dance, I guess,

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for like, you know, young kids. Yeah, not at all. But I know they have competitions in it because

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I read about it. And also here they have competitions about like, you know, the best group because they

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dance in groups. So they do some tournament, I guess, or I mean, I'm seeing and reading about it online,

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but I don't know too much about it. But it's not so modern, I would say.

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Yeah, yeah, it's interesting to see what sort of traditions are kept alive in the diaspora and that

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are, you know, maybe kind of being modernized in Croatia, or at least here in Zagreb, you know,

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which is probably the most, I don't want to say most modern city in Croatia, but you know, the

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biggest and most influenced by, you know, sort of other places. Yeah. But so do you ever do you

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still remember all the steps and stuff if you go to a Croatian wedding or something? Do you?

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Not at all. Not at all. Maybe, you know, one or two steps, but it was such a long time ago.

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And I did it for a very short period of time, really. So yeah, not really. But I wore the

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costume a lot of times for contests and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. But I can't remember the steps.

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So do you? No, I know the basic, but like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do,

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and then it's like the same three or four steps. Yeah, I can do the three or four, any more than

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four. That's too much. Too much. Yeah. But Katica, tell us a little bit about, you know, modeling,

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you know, about Miss Universe Croatia, how you started modeling and then, you know, Miss Universe

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and how all that happened. Well, I have always been like an entertainer since I was very little.

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I remember my first memory of something similar to this was I saw this old man sitting outside on a

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bench, like on his own. He was very old and I thought he looked sad. So I decided to go and

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dance for him and sing for him. I was very, like maybe 10, nine years old and he got very happy.

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And so I remember always being like an entertainer. And in school, I always used to sing on, you know,

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graduations or Christmas gatherings and things like that, like perform. But when I was about 16,

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my mom took me to a local agency, which I spoke about before for a casting to become a model.

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And they chose me and this other girl. And from there, it kind of, you know, started,

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but I was too young. They wanted to send me to Paris. I was still in school. My parents said,

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you know, there's no way. So I had to wait and to pursue that career later on.

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And for the Miss Universe contest, I remember I was on the beach one summer in Croatia,

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because first they have this, you know, region contest. Like first I was in Miss

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Dalmatia and then if you move on from there, you go to the big final. So somebody approached me and

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was like, you know, you should go to this casting in Hotel Madrid 11, which is now my favorite hotel.

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So I went there with my sister and they chose me to be in, I believe it was the top 12 or 15,

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I'm not sure, to compete. And from there on, I went to the big final, Miss Universe Croatia.

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And I also got my agent from there that recognized me from the contest. He is in Canada,

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does movies and has their own agency. So he was like, you should come model for me. We want to

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be your mother agents. And from there, he sent me to Mexico, China, US, all of the countries I've

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been really on modeling contracts. So yeah, I mean, that's a long story short.

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Yeah. So that sort of kicked off the Miss Universe sort of kicked off your modeling career.

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You could say that. I mean, I was still interested in modeling before, but didn't really go that far.

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Didn't pursue it like that. And after Miss Universe, I guess, you know, I got more confident and

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I just kept going, really kept it rolling.

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Mm hmm. Well, you mentioned modeling in some other countries, Mexico, China. I want to ask,

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how does the Great Wall of China compare to the walls of Stone and Molly Stone?

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To the walls of Stone? I didn't understand that.

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And Molly Stone over in Pelyashtats. Have you ever been to the walls there? The big...

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Oh, really? You should go. It's...

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Like, you know, the new bridge that they built?

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Yeah, I know.

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So you don't have to go through, you know, Neum, Dubrovnik. If you go on that bridge,

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there's two little cities, Stone and Molly Stone. And it's the second longest

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I think the second longest walls in the world, the first longest in Europe.

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See, I didn't know that actually. Okay.

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Ah, I thought for sure.

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Then I definitely have to go.

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Yeah, you should check it out. You can walk along the walls and it's a really beautiful

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Well, I'm actually sure it's better than the Great Wall of China.

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Because I always, you know, Crescia is like number one for me. I am, I don't know,

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some people even think it's too much. Like some people say, oh, you're like a nationalist,

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you know, a little bit, but I'm proud of it because I'm proud of my roots. So yeah.

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But the Great Wall of China, I've been there actually two times, one time to shoot for

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a job and another time with the media actually for top model of the world. And I mean, it's

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beautiful. It's one of the seven wonders of the world. But I'm not sure I'm going to be

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there. But I mean, I would recommend anyone to go there if they want to see something.

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Yeah, I'm sure that's, that's awesome that you've been able to travel. Where were you

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in Mexico when you were working a shoot there?

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So I lived in Mexico City for six months. I lived and worked in Mexico City on a motor

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contract, but I also traveled to places for work. I was in Cancun. I love Cancun because

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I love tropical places and the beach and the sun. So of course, in Acapulco, Guadalajara,

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I don't know. Guadalajara?

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Guadalajara, yeah. So that was for a beer commercials. I did two different commercials

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there for Coarse Lights. So yeah, I've been in a lot of small cities. I don't remember

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all of the names, but mainly in Mexico City, which was my base.

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That's pretty cool. I've never been, always wanted to go. Sort of last questioning about

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modeling. Is there anything about modeling that maybe people don't realize?

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And yeah, I think that you, I mean, I guess it looks very glamorous and easy, easy life,

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but it's definitely not. I would say if you don't have a strong mindset, you should not

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get into modeling. You need to know who you are. You need to be true to your values, to your morals

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and to your beliefs, because there's a dirty side of modeling for sure. And if somebody

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tells you it's not, they probably didn't really model. So yeah, just that you have to have a

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mental toughness. And even when it comes to the agency, you're going to get a lot of critique

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about your looks and people are going to think different things about you. And you must be able

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to take that and just have a very strong confidence, I would say.

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Awesome. Yeah. So do people recognize you when you're, well, actually, let me ask first,

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how often do you go back to Croatia?

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A lot. I mean, every year for sure. I was just in Croatia. I'm just going back now in 10 days

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for my cousin's wedding and finishing some projects I'm doing there. So I try to go at

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least two times a year. I mean, it's not so far. It's about two hours by plane, really.

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Yeah. With Ryanair Airlines, it can be super cheap to fly here in Europe. That's one thing

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that I really don't miss from the US because a two-hour flight in the US can cost 250, $300.

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And here at Ryanair, I'll get a 20 euro flight for a two-hour flight to Belgium or somewhere.

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It's the same with my aunt in Australia. It's super far for them and apparently,

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very expensive as well if you're going to travel a lot because it's probably super far.

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So I guess I'm lucky it's close.

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Yeah, definitely. I didn't realize it was only two hours from Gothenburg. Is that where you

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fly from or is there a... There's a direct flight. So it's like two hours and 40 minutes,

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I believe, from Gothenburg to Split. Wow, that's perfect. It's perfect to go down,

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especially in the summer and go relax on the beach and everything. That's awesome. I'm assuming you

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go in the summer at least if you can when you do only once a year. Yeah, I mean, I usually come

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sometimes in the summer or before the summer, let's say like May, but I love to come this time of year.

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I just came from there and at the end, I was there all of September because it's still summer and it's

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super hot, at least by the coast. I don't know about Zagreb. It was still hot here, I think,

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but less tourists down over by the coast this time of year, a little bit after the season ends.

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So that's nice. Yeah. Yeah. Do you listen to any Croatian music? A lot of Croatian music, yeah.

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What kinds? What sort of bands or genres? I mean, really everything. I mean, the klapek,

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you know, Severina, Jelena Rozga, how can I say, Narodna, Narodna, Mozi, pop music,

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like typical Dalmatian music. And also when I mentioned this, people don't like it,

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I understand, but I also listen to Tzajke sometimes, you know. But you know, I mean,

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I listen to what makes me happy and you have to feel the music. Yeah, yeah, that's true. In terms

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of like modeling or anything that you do, do you ever use the music to either pump you up or calm

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you down or get you ready for something? I don't know. Definitely. If I sit in hair and makeup and

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I'm waiting to do a shoot, I usually listen to Croatian music. Sometimes I put it on loud if

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it's okay for other people, you know, you never know. But definitely when I run, for instance,

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I love to listen to you, you know, I really love football, Croatian football, I'm a big fan. So I

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listen to all these songs. If I go running, it really pumps me up. I love to run every morning.

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So yeah. So what, all the like Croatian football hype songs, like Igor and Moja,

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Hrvatska and all those. Yes, for sure. For sure. Yeah, those two actually, if I, you know,

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I'm working out or something, you know, those songs are great for pumping you up.

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Yeah, I like the, you know, cheering song and it cheers you up. You know, you listen to them as well?

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I do. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I'll just, you know, be in my room and listening to them,

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not doing anything special, but getting hyped up to cook dinner or something.

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Exactly. Just dance around, you know, you're cleaning or something.

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Exactly. Well, maybe not so much the dancing for me, but yeah, that type of thing.

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But I know you're a football fan, a Croatian football fan. You messaged, when I messaged you,

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you mentioned, you know, you were upset that they lost. They lost the other day, of course,

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to Wales and the, before that, you know, to Turkey, a little disappointed, but.

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A shocker actually. Yeah. Yeah. Where were you watching?

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I was watching at home. But if I'm in Croatia, I always go outside to watch because they don't

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really show the football game here in Sweden, obviously, you know, unless they're playing

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against Sweden and then they show it. But I cannot go outside and cheer for Croatia when

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Sweden are playing. I mean, I can, but not so popular. Yeah. Well, I mean, they have Rakitic.

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Is he well liked over there in Sweden? I think it's, I'm not sure about it, but I mean,

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of course it's more Luka Modrić. Everybody knows him, I guess internationally as well.

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So that's the name I hear the most here in Sweden. Even my friends from, you know, different

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countries, they're like, yeah, we're watching Croatia. They're like, look at Modrić fans.

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So yeah, I don't know who else is really famous there, like internationally. I'm not,

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I'm not really sure. Were you able to be in Croatia at all for this World Cup,

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this most recent one for any of those games? You know, I just came actually the same night

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as the game. So I wanted to be able to attend the game, but I was not, unfortunately.

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That would have been awesome. Have you been, or do you go to the games or?

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I have been, I went to one game, which was not during the World Cup, but it was a qualifiers

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against Russia at Poljub. Oh, right. When it was raining super hard and it was, I had to wear a

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trash bag because they didn't have any, you know, ponchos or whatever. They were sold out. So we

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found some trash bags, me and my friend and put them on to protect from the rain. Cause we were

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at the only spot in Poljub that doesn't have the roof. Oh really? Oh, yeah. It's like the cheapest

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tickets there in the stadium. It's the only uncovered part. So we were just getting soaked,

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but that was an awesome game. And then other than that, you know, of course I go to the

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Tadork or you know, wherever they show the game and you know, I watched that out with people.

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And I guess the atmosphere is, you know, amazing. I mean, my first football game I ever saw,

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I was, my grandma took me when I was like 12, it was Hydro Split playing. I remember that.

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But I mean, I love the Croatia fans and you know, the support. I think it's hard, as they say,

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it's hard to tell somebody else that's not from Croatia, the energy, the love, you know, the

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feeling for the country and the game basically. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to explain to other people,

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but Croatians really have so much pride in their country and their people. Definitely.

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Katica, let's talk a little bit about the CAN, did I say that right? Film festival.

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Oh yeah. Yeah. The CAN film festival, right.

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So tell us a little bit, you know, what were you doing there first of all, and

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you know, what was sort of your role there? So I was hosting the festival, the whole film festival,

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all the days. I think it was seven or eight days, something like that. So every day I was covering

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with the team, you know, who's going to walk the red carpet today, what movie has the premiere today.

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We went to the press conferences, asked questions to the movie stars. So basically covering every

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day because every day something happens. It was a new movie, a new premiere. That was the main

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attraction of the day. So basically that and, you know, went to premieres and got to walk the red

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carpet there. So yeah, we were very busy. And then at the end of the day, you were also invited to

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all these after parties. So, you know, you are on it 24 seven, like you had to be there. But I mean,

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it was great. It was work and it was fun. So it was really amazing experience, I would say.

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I didn't think the carpet would be so little, to be honest. That surprised me the most.

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I thought it would be much longer and bigger carpet. Yeah.

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Marshall Sikorski And it's just a small little...

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Janna Pichai It looks very huge, actually.

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Marshall Sikorski On TV only?

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Janna Pichai Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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Marshall Sikorski Wow, they got us.

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Janna Pichai Exactly.

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Marshall Sikorski Did you meet any, you know, any celebrities that you were excited to meet there

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or anyone, you know, you were excited to talk to over there?

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Janna Pichai I mean, we asked some questions to Johnny Dapp. I really liked him very down to

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earth, you know, and no filters speaks what's on his mind. And we went to Harrison Ford's after

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party. He was there as well. And I got to talk to the producer of the Die Hard producer, the movies.

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So yeah, there was a lot of producers that I got to know and still people, industry people,

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because the celebrities, you only meet them for a short while and you ask some questions.

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And that's it, you know, unless they come to the after parties and you can mingle and, you know,

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but there's so much people and it's very hectic. People just come and grab you, introduce themselves,

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they want to know who you are and it just goes very fast.

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Marshall Sikorski Oh, yeah, that's, I mean, that's great networking too for you,

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because I saw that you actually did shoot a movie. I don't know how long ago that was, but...

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Janna Pichai It was about four or five years ago in New York.

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I shot it, it's called Earl Griffin, it's called I Come Out. But I don't know if you know about it or

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you read something about that, but I decided to stop shooting the movie and ended the deal,

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because I could not agree with the producer of the movie. He added some scenes that I did not agree

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on and so on. So, I decided it's best to, you know, end that collaboration. But that goes back to

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actually what we talked about before, you have to be very firm in, you know, who you are and what

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you want, what you don't want, set the boundaries and, you know, if you don't feel comfortable with

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something, simply don't do it. But I also have an agent, as I said, that does movies, so my goal is

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to be in one of his future projects. He's been asking me about it, but I always, you know, I,

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we never got to it, but that's definitely something I'm looking more into and I love acting as well.

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So, yeah, that's, maybe you're gonna see me someday soon in some movie, I hope.

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I'm sure, yeah, I believe it. That would be awesome. Hopefully soon, sooner rather than later.

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But it sounds like at some point for sure, you're gonna, you know, film another movie with, I mean,

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talking about networking at the, you know, festival, I was wondering, how do you prepare for

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the festival? Do you have to watch all the movies that are being presented there?

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Yeah, I mean, actually it is preferred if I do that, but to be honest, I did not watch one single

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movie before I got there. And it was the same with the Swedish Film Festival, where I was as well.

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I needed to watch the movies, but I did not. However, I wrote all my own script for the movies.

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So I did some research, I looked up the movies, what, you know, what it was about, who produced them

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and some background info about every single movie, which was a lot. So I still knew, you know,

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the basics of, you know, the actors and the crew and the set and things like that. But

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I did not watch any movie really.

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Wow. I was wondering how many, if you did have to watch, if you did watch them all, how many is that?

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Like, I don't even know how many they have at the festival.

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I believe that I wrote about, maybe I'm wrong now, but I think it was around 30 or 40 movies that I

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did like a script for, for Canfield Festival.

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So it's not just go show up and ask some general questions. You really have to be prepared.

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And ask some general questions. You really have to know what you're talking about.

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Yes, definitely. And you know, you have to remember the names of people and you know,

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when you're going to present them for the TV. And maybe you don't have to talk about all of

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the movies, but you still have to know them in, you know, because you never know what we're going

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to talk about. So I think it's a lot of work still. And to have to watch all the movies on top of that.

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Yeah, that sounds like a lot of work. Definitely a cool opportunity though.

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That's awesome that you were able to, you know, have that opportunity.

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Kind of a fun question that I ask. I've been asking everyone lately who's come on the podcast.

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What's your favorite thing to eat when you're in Croatia?

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I am a seafood child. So I love seafood and clams. It's one of my favorites dishes actually.

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I love to eat that. I know it's either like you love it or you hate it, I guess, like with sushi,

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but that's their specialty. I really love. And of course, lobster and you know,

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all kinds of seafood, really.

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That's interesting. You know, I hear, especially in Dalmatia, of course, they're, you know,

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for seafood, I hear a lot about oysters, but clams, I feel like I don't hear about too often.

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I don't even know what's the difference between a clam and an oyster. I believe the clams are the

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black, you know, the small black ones. Yeah. And the oysters are there, I guess they're rounder,

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like the white rounder ones. I guess that's what you're eating, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well,

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do you eat them the same way? Is it like the same type of, how do you eat a clam?

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Oh, no, I'm sorry. You said oyster. That's the ones, sorry, that's completely wrong. That's

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the ones you eat raw actually. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I tried that too, but it doesn't taste anything

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just slimy. I think, but clams, you can cook them with wine, which is really yummy.

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Nothing like oyster at all. So I definitely recommend it or with, you know, polenta,

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polenta. You can do that or with pasta. I mean, sometimes I like to cook them, but yeah,

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you should definitely try clams if you have not. Yeah, I will have to. I've tried oysters. Yeah,

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they were a little slimy. You taste the seawater a little bit. I'm not a huge seafood guy, so that

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wasn't my thing, but I'll have to try clams. Do you have like a favorite restaurant in Split or

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anywhere that you go for that? I mean, not for seafood. No, I just, you know, try any place I

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heard or think or got recommended and I compare them and see, you know, if it's good. Yeah, but

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homemade is always the best, of course. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Do you cook or? I cook because I have

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to because I live alone right now. So yeah, I'm forced to cook and I don't do anything fancy.

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Actually, right now on the stove, I'm keeping an eye on it. I've got some meat sauce, you know,

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for pasta, the ground beef and the tomato sauce and the onions. I've got that on low right now.

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So nothing fancy. A lot of pasta. Yeah. I like pasta a lot as well. So and crazy for desserts.

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I mean, I love desserts. Yeah. Really? What kind of desserts? Ice cream for sure. I love to try

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different ice creams wherever I go. I think Italy has one of the yummiest ice creams. Yeah. The

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gelato over there. Yeah. So you get a different flavor every time or you have a couple that you

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stick with that are your favorite? Well, I love the sea salt caramel flavor. Yeah, really love

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that one. I don't like chocolate at all in ice cream, but yeah, I try to, I'm a person that loves

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to try new things or new food or actually, you know, new everything like adventures or exhibitions

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and stuff like that, you know? So yeah, a new ice cream flavor every time if I can find a new one.

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That's awesome. I know in Split everywhere on, you know, the coast there of the Adriatic, there's

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every block, there's, you know, an ice cream stand to try in the summer at least. On the era. Yeah.

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Yeah. I usually stick with vanilla. I'm pretty boring like that, but I've been asking some people

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on the podcast and they've told me a couple of good recommendations. Someone said not too long

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ago, like pistachio and something else, ice cream. Oh yeah, yeah, pistachio. Yeah, definitely. That's

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good as well. Because here in Sweden, we have a different chocolate like, you know, dime. I think

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it's Swedish or we have marabou, Swedish chocolate and they put it in the ice cream. So, I would

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recommend you that, but it's only here. So, I try to find, you know, something that's unique for the

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country. There is a flavor they put into it or, you know, something like that. But vanilla is nice

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as well. It's nice, I guess, when there's nothing else. I read that you really like castles. Is that

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true? Yes, I love castle. Why? I love history in general, I would say. So, I have a favorite castle

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here in Sweden. I try to visit those that are close. I didn't visit any in Croatia yet, but I

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had some in mind. I can't remember the name now, but it was like on the ocean, in the middle of the

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ocean somewhere. But yeah, I just love to hear the history and, you know, about what happened there.

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And if there's kings who live there or, you know, I like different timelines and also like period

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movies, you know, like old older movies. I really like that. Yeah. And of course, horror. I don't

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know if you read about that, but I'm a big fan. I did and I didn't want to ask because I hate, I get

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so scared. Oh, really? Yeah. So, I was like, I'm not going to bring this up. I have a thing for

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horror movies. It's like, I hate to be scared, but I still love to get scared. It's crazy thing.

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Yeah, I've heard that from friends that that's sort of the, you know, they don't like it, but

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they like the feeling of, or like once you are scared, then it's okay already. Yeah, the excitement,

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I guess the adrenaline you get. Not me, that's I'll do without the adrenaline and the excitement.

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Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. I don't know, just for whatever reason, I never really got into

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horror, but that would actually be a cool, you know, genre of movie to be in as well. I'm sure

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that's probably fun to shoot. Yeah, definitely. Or interesting at least. I mean, my favorite

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is probably an interview with the vampire. I don't know if you have seen this one with the

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compuze and the Brad Pitt. No, I don't know that one. Well, I can recommend it. It's or

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confessions of a vampire. Yeah. That sounds more familiar, although I still can't picture it, but

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yeah, I'm sure I stay away from the whole genre, so I probably don't know most of those movies that

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you would say, but for people listening, I'm sure they're familiar with it or if they're not,

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maybe they want to check that one out. Got a few minutes left here and I guess I'll save this

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question for last, but I'll ask you then the second to last question. What other sort of

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future plans do you have or goals that you're setting for yourself? You know, I don't, I always

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like to show my goals. I never like to see them. I've always been like that, but I could just say

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that, you know, just reaching my full potential as always and being the best that I can be,

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improve in my work that I already do. And I guess, you know, show you what the future holds. You'll

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have to wait and see. Awesome. Yeah. Looking forward to it. Yeah. Sometimes that's the best

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way to not give things away until they're actually done and you've completed them.

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But sort of last question here, Katica, and I want to thank you again, you know, so much for

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your time here and for coming on the All Things Croatia podcast. And do you have any, you know,

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social medias? Where can people find you? You can find me on Instagram at Katica.prokuric.

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I'm most active there. Awesome. This is something that I've asked everyone.

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What to you makes Croatia so special? I think it's the culture, the history and,

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you know, the people, I would say the warmth of the people. When you come to Croatia, you feel like

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home. I mean, at least I do. And they have their own ways, their own mentality for sure. And just,

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you know, the love for their country. You know, some people say it's, you know, their belief,

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like their religion and the love for just the country. I would say it's hard to explain.

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Yeah, definitely. You did a great job. That's an awesome answer. And I agree completely.

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Katica, thank you again so much for coming on the podcast.

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Thank you so much.

