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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Nate.

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And I'm Mike.

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What are we smoking today, Nate?

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Well before we get into what we're smoking, we've got a special guest.

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And what did we say you were going to be introduced as, Simcha?

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The Sultan of Desire.

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Yes, that's right, that's right.

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Apologize for the mispronunciation of the name, we should have cleared that up before

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we started recording.

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No, it's okay.

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It's the way we...

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It's all good.

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We'll get into all that in a second.

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This cigar that all three of us are smoking was Simcha's choice.

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It is the LFD Double Liguro Churchill.

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And it was difficult for Mike and I to find, but I did not go to a gas station like Mike

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believes.

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And I actually went across just downtown here in the little suburb that I live in, and they

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have a smoke cigar vape shop thing, and they do have a walk-in humidorum.

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And that was that.

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Oh, nice.

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But this stick is so big, it's fallen into my ashtray twice because I've not placed it

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perfectly balanced as all things should be.

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I have lit it up.

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It's good.

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Good start.

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Yeah, it's a good recommendation.

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Now, have you smoked these before?

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Myself?

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No, the guy that recommended them said, I think the first time...

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I think it was the first cigar he ever smoked, and if anyone asked him for recommendations,

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this is the one he gives.

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Nice.

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Well, it's good.

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It's girthy.

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Got a little bit of spice on the wrapper.

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All the things Mike and I normally like.

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Yeah, a little peppery.

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It's a good start.

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It's girthy and spicy.

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So I think, I don't know, I mean, it's whatever Simho wants to talk about, but I think we

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ought to talk a little bit about how we know each other, which is through some random

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habit stance.

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But I did a web series that I got scored by a fellow named Zeriel, who has a son who's

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friends with Simha.

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Yep, Shlomo, local DJ.

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And now you're out in Chicago.

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Yeah, I'm out in Chicago.

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I live in the heart of the Orthodox Jewish community.

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And yeah, it's really big.

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Now, did you move to Chicago to be with that community, or was it happenstance?

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My future ex-mother-in-law, may she rest in peace, lived in Indiana, in Fort Wayne.

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So it was a close drive.

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She had MS, and so it was easy for her daughter to go and visit her.

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It was close by.

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I went to New York at first.

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I went to Crown Heights for a few months, but ended up deciding it was best to come

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to Chicago.

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I've never been to New York or Chicago, so there we go.

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I've been to both, but not the Jewish sections of either that I've been aware of.

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Crown Heights was cool.

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I was there for a couple months.

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I wanted to settle there, but I'm from Oklahoma, and I never moved anywhere before on my own.

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I didn't know how to get stuff lined up, but I had some money saved up, so it just helped

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me stay in myself for a couple months.

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I learned in an urbanical seminary over there for a few months, and then as things would

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have it, I ended up moving to Chicago.

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I've been here since July 31st of 2012.

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So you've been there quite a while.

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Some might even say you're native now.

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I still don't feel like it.

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Sure.

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That's actually longer than I think I've ever lived anywhere, other than when I was growing

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up.

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I've kind of moved around in my adulthood.

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I've lived all in the western part of the country and rural areas doing industrial work

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for the most part.

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So almost the exact opposite of going to New York City.

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Go ahead.

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Some people ask me how I like Chicago or whatever turmoil goes in Chicago with Chicago politics

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or crime.

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I was like, I don't know about Chicago.

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I live in the Jewish community, and that's like home.

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It's like one giant family.

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But if it wasn't for the community, I'd probably hate this place.

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I feel like it would be depressing.

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Is it really that bad?

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Because I lived in Minneapolis.

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My community is pretty quiet and safe.

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Like you said, it's the heart of the Jewish community.

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But I'm saying if they weren't here, this place would feel empty.

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It's not really much.

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All the stuff to go do is not in this area for people that come to Chicago to do things.

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Do they have a transit system that's worth anything?

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I've only used it once.

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I don't know.

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I lived in Minneapolis for a year and we were talking before the show.

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My wife is from Minneapolis and I lived a block, a couple of blocks off of the train

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system they have.

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And you get on the train for two bucks.

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You can go anywhere in the city basically.

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So it's not too bad.

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As far as getting around the park.

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Sarah and I used the L when we were there.

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I think we were there for like a week and it got us pretty much everywhere.

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So Nate, you're from Oklahoma, right?

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No, I'm from Wisconsin.

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Oh, and you lived in Oklahoma.

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I went to school in Oklahoma for four years and then worked there an additional year.

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So how did you make Serial Cocktail?

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Yeah, I was looking for a composer for my web series and I can't remember exactly what

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site or platform it was that we got introduced.

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But I believe, and I don't know if he still is, but he was at that time actively seeking

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more composing roles.

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And so I think he must have been out on some site that filmmakers go to to find other people.

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And then we just kind of got talking and went ready, steady, go.

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And it was weird because I think that he was really truly the first Hasidic Jew, right?

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That's the term.

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That I kind of met.

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And so my co-star in this series was actually an ex-Hasidic Jew.

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And I think he was a Jewish down in Texas and then moved up north and left the order.

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But he never really talked much about it.

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So you know.

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And then, I don't know, it must have been five or six years ago now, or longer, probably

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longer ago now, that my wife and I actually traveled over to where Zuriya lives and we

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met him for coffee.

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Wow.

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It was very interesting because my wife went with me and it was strange because I'd never

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actually interacted with an Hasidic Jew before.

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And so he would shake my hand but wouldn't shake her hand.

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I wasn't rude about it, just said, you know, my religion prohibits me from touching another

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woman.

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And you know, but it was very, very pleasant.

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But I didn't, I don't think I did a good job preparing my wife for the interaction because

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I didn't know myself.

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Right, right.

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Yeah, you couldn't have known.

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I don't know if you want me to share how I knew that you knew Zuriya.

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Yeah, I don't care.

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All right.

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So basically, our dearest friend Nate here dated my future ex-wife.

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And a long time ago, I had him on Facebook because she's like, you would get along with

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him so well.

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So I just had him on my Facebooks.

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And then I said, you know, hey, Nate likes my anti-political posts.

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She's like, really?

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I guess she looked them up and she says, you know, it's Zuriya Ocasio?

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And I said, no, but I know that last name.

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And so she's like, he knows Zuriya, he did the music for him.

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Maybe it's related to our friend.

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So I searched on the profile, Zuriya Ocasio, and I found a picture of you two.

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And I showed my friend Shlomo, I was like, do any of these guys mean anything to you?

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And he goes, dude, the guy's my father.

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I was like, this is crazy.

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And so I told Nate, and Nate's like, well, how did you know I know Zuriya?

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I was like, oh, you know, my wife.

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I was trying to be vague.

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That's my wife.

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And he's like, who's your wife?

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And I told him.

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And then I said, you wouldn't believe it.

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She's a Hasidic Jew now.

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Yeah.

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So I wanted to ask you a few questions about that.

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Not about your wife necessarily, but so when you join or become, I mean, I guess what's

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the term for it when somebody comes to join Hasidic Judaism?

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Like conversion?

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Conversion.

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When somebody converts, they get to pick their own name or do they get named by someone else?

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So they get to pick their own name and back in Oklahoma, I was with my wife and we were

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talking, talking it up and somebody, a non-Jewish guy who was a music professor, a friend of

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mine came to pick up a gas can and he let me and in order not to look stoned, I wore

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a sombrero.

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Don't know why like that was like, you know, to me that says absolutely not stoned.

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Anybody in a sombrero cannot be stoned.

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Anytime I see that, I think, I just think sober.

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So I go outside to give him his gas can and he goes, you know, I was just thinking you

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should name yourself Simcha.

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Simcha means joy, like happiness.

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Cause I'm walking out goofily and it just reminded him like he was thinking that.

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So when I went to Crown Heights, they're like, you know, what's your name?

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I said, Justin, do you go by like a Hebrew name?

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And I just said Simcha and it stuck.

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And then whenever I did my conversion, I said, do you have a name?

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And I said, yeah, Simcha.

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So that was that.

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So you weren't always a Hasidic Jew?

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No, I was raised Southern Baptist in Oklahoma.

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Like most people are in Oklahoma.

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I don't know if you were here for that, Mike.

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We were saying that I spent five years in Oklahoma, four in college and then one working.

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So we both, we, but we didn't know each other when I was in Oklahoma and he was in Oklahoma.

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We knew of each other.

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We might've been the sombrero twins.

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I don't know.

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But I was, I was looking up some of the stuff about Hasidic Judaism earlier today.

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And one of the things was saying that the tenants are kind of, there's like three love,

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love, joy and humility are kind of the three big ones.

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Yeah, pretty much.

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Service to the creator and service to your fellow man.

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That's kind of like the values that, you know, Hasidic Judaism present.

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Not all Judaism technically, but I'm saying like that's the values that we emphasize.

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I am certain that you were the first person I've talked to who I knew was Jewish.

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Nate and I talked about that before.

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There's Jewish temples in this area, but all the people left to go to larger cities.

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So I've just never had the opportunity to talk to somebody who is Jewish before.

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I didn't either like back in Oklahoma.

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Yeah, it's weird.

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I mean, it's weird from my perspective to say, well, how have I never talked to a Jewish

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person before?

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But I was thinking about it.

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I haven't.

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You know, there was a guy I went to school with and I didn't know he was Jewish.

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And I started getting into Judaism like my summer after my 10th grade year, 2007, I just

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lost my train of thought.

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I partied too hard last night and didn't sleep.

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So obviously, partying is not against the rules.

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I partied way too hard.

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And marijuana is not against the rules because marijuana is actually kosher.

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And we were talking about this when we were trying to set this episode up.

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And there are certain kosher cigars, but it's the leavening agents, right?

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Yeah, for Passover.

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And now it's for Passover.

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That was all for getting, you know, like, soaked tobacco and alcohol or how it's made.

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So then I asked all my cigar connoisseurs, tell me you guys smoke cigars during this

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week.

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And they're like, nope.

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And I was like, darn.

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OK, so there's one type of cigar called.

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I don't know.

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It's called I didn't have a Solomon's something or anything.

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I have to order online.

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OK, I don't know what it's called.

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Maybe for next next Passover, we'll have to have you back on the show and we'll all smoke

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the kosher cigar and see how it compares.

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I heard it was good.

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Somebody told me it was good.

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But I met my wife when she was my music teacher in college in high school.

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But she wasn't a faculty.

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She was like a student teacher for the college.

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That's what they all say, man.

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I met her at band camp.

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You were groomed.

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She plays euphonium.

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So I don't want to know her band camp stories.

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So I was playing trombone.

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And then when she came onto the scene, she's like, can you play euphonium?

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Because we need a euphonium player.

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And I was like, sure.

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So I switched that.

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I can, you know, I can learn an instrumental week.

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And then some guy was instrumentalist.

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I'm like, what is 13 or 12?

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Mormon.

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But when you play classical piano, you can learn anything.

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So I was like, okay.

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So I learned the tuba.

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And, you know, then I went to college and she was my section leader in band and my bully.

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You said bully?

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No, she was my bully.

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She was like, she was like cool.

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And when I started college, she was like very hard on me.

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I almost switched majors.

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I think it's the the Sultan of desire in you.

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It's very intimidating for others that know you.

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So it's a fight or flight response, I think.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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You know, one day, like I was already into it by high school and then she got into it

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and went to class.

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And there was a rabbi that came to Fort Sill.

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And that's when I got involved.

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That was my first Jew.

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The guy I went to school with that I didn't know was Jewish.

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But he she came and she was started learning Hasidic philosophy.

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And she has had philosophy is like Kabbalah, esoteric.

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And she just now she's a Hasidic woman.

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Oh, yeah.

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But when I was with the guy, the rabbi, he was on the base.

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He was a chaplain.

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My friend from high school, his mother was there speaking Hebrew.

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I was like, why is Matt's mom speaking Hebrew?

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And then he's like, oh, I get it.

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She's Jewish.

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She's Israeli.

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I never met his mom before.

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And do you speak more Hebrew or Yiddish?

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I don't speak them, but I can learn books in Hebrew.

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OK.

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I just can't speak it.

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I mean, I can say things, but I can understand.

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OK, I was going to say this is probably probably a little out of pocket and I don't meet it

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in the way that it's intended.

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But when I'm absolutely shit faced, I can understand German.

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Oh, my goodness.

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Something something happened to me when I'm like, you know, hungry and like low blood

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sugar.

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I just did French on the screen.

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I don't know if that I don't happen once.

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I never had the opportunity to try to see French when I was low blood sugar again.

312
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Oh, yeah.

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That's not not a state you want to because I'm diabetic.

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It's not a state you want to repeat usually.

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Right.

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I mean, being drunk and high is one thing, but, you know, low blood sugars is completely

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different.

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But I had a nice night.

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You know, we all went to a bar and I wanted my I don't know, we'll call my former female

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domestic associate.

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I was talking around the phone for like three hours the other night and I was like, you

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really have to meet my friends.

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Like if you meet my like my new friends, like you'll be like, where were you guys all my

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life?

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So you have to come to my birthday.

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It was like my birthday was during Passover.

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So we did everything late and she came last night.

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It was really fun.

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And she hit it off with them and we stayed till like 3 a.m. and then I came home and

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didn't sleep.

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This is the way.

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This is the way.

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And I had my I had my podcast that we did at two o'clock and it was a couple hours and

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then boom, boom, boom.

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I haven't crashed yet.

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There we go, but we still have over half the stick left.

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So everybody stay tuned.

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Simha may crash during this episode.

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So now you have rabbis and Rebbe's or they are interchangeable.

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I thought you explained to me that Rebbe was a little more less like church leadership

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type and more like spiritual type.

342
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Yeah, kind of off base on that.

343
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You know, the Rebbe or a Rebbe is like a leader, like the head of a Hasidic dynasty.

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And there's different movements and they come from different places in Europe and they're

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all named by their places.

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So I'm part of a very large influential Hasidic movement called Chabad.

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And excuse me, the leader of our movement, the head of our movement is Rabbi Menachem

348
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Mendel Schneerson.

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Part of the reason you have food stamps, I don't know if you guys have food stamps, but

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he was very influential figure.

351
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Really like compared to all the others, he was really big.

352
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The world leaders would visit him.

353
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John Voight, actor John Voight had a relationship with him.

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And Bob Dylan, Bob Dylan spent some time in the Yeshiva I went to.

355
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Yeshiva is like a seminary.

356
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Okay.

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And Bob Dylan's from Minnesota where Mike and I both are.

358
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Yep.

359
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Hibbing.

360
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Hibbing, which is near Virginia as a callback to our previous conversation.

361
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Yes.

362
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I believe Bob Dylan was the original original mumble rapper.

363
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So I haven't really got in into any of his stuff because it's all like mumbly jumbly.

364
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Mike and Mike's going to fight me afterwards for saying that.

365
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So it's all right.

366
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Some of us were not born in Minnesota where Bob Dylan is required listening in your teenage

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years.

368
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Well, and some of us weren't born in Wisconsin where winning Super Bowls is part of your

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heritage.

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I thought you were going to say binge drinking lightning coogles.

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Day now.

372
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That and serial killers, right?

373
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Oh, homosexual serial killers, I think is your specialty, isn't it?

374
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I don't know about my personal specialty, but maybe the states.

375
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Dahmer was well done, by the way, just for the record, if you guys haven't seen it.

376
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No, I haven't seen that yet.

377
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We did do an episode on the Manson family.

378
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Oh, we did.

379
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Not quite the same as Dahmer, though.

380
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No, no, not quite the same.

381
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Similar but different.

382
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Charles Manson has some good songs.

383
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His music isn't bad.

384
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It's not.

385
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That's what Mike was saying the whole episode when we were talking about the Manson family.

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He's like, you got to check out his music and become part of his like sex cult thing.

387
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I sent a message to my friend.

388
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I was like, this song is really good.

389
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Am I allowed to like this?

390
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Look at your brain, girl.

391
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That's kind of the strange thing, though.

392
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I mean, nowadays, right?

393
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So many of these musicians and stuff have, you know, like rape charges or all these weird,

394
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weird things going on.

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And I mean, I know some of it is, you know, haters going to hate and try and drag you

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through court.

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But some of it's legit, you know, like Chris Brown beating women and stuff.

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R. Kelly.

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It's like, well, can I still like the music or not?

400
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I'm not saying I like Chris Brown's music or R. Kelly's music, but you know, there's

401
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some other big names out there and bands that have kicked singers or guitarists out of their

402
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band because they were doing things with underage people, you know?

403
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Yeah.

404
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I forgot what the band was.

405
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Lost Profits.

406
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

407
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I remember hearing about that.

408
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Yeah, Lost Profits.

409
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You know, that's why I haven't written the song yet.

410
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I'm not broken enough.

411
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I'm not crazy enough to write songs.

412
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Okay.

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I thought you're going to go a different way with that.

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And I was like, oh my God, are we going to have some kind of weird confession on the

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show?

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I haven't hit enough women.

417
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I haven't.

418
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Right?

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You would think after everything I went through in the past, like, you know, since August,

420
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like at least a decent song will come out of it.

421
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Yeah.

422
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Well, we believe in you.

423
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One of these days.

424
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You know, you can just write a country song, being from Oklahoma, and just throw out the

425
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generic platitudes and it should be good to go, you know?

426
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And make it metal.

427
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Every, yeah, every time you talk about a truck, just swap it out for, you know, like the Baptist

428
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God or the Christian God.

429
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:09,040
And you can make it a acidic Jewish heavy metal song, right?

430
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Right.

431
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:11,040
Yeah.

432
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Jewish heavy metal song.

433
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I am playing it.

434
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There's got to be Jewish heavy metal.

435
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There has to be.

436
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I thought just to make it one of those heavy metal songs, you sat on a vinyl seat enough

437
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to wear it down to get your name, your band name, and then you just play all the instruments

438
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as fast as you can and scream unintelligible things into the microphone.

439
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Like where's the writing in that?

440
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Just start screaming, man.

441
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Just start screaming.

442
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Scream into the void and see if it screams back.

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You know how I really, I really like to try to see myself as, and like ideally would be

444
00:20:42,660 --> 00:20:44,200
like Corey Taylor from Slipknot.

445
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Yeah.

446
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With the mask and everything.

447
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At least him as like a person.

448
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I don't know if you guys are like familiar with like him as the person.

449
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No, no.

450
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I mean, I'm familiar with the band.

451
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The whole band's familiar with it.

452
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Right.

453
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I've always had this kind of philosophy, like, you know, just because you're a specific religion

454
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doesn't mean your music has to have the religious content.

455
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I mean, mine would be spiritual probably just because that's who I am.

456
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But also like there's some good, like meaningful heartfelt lyrics about like, you know, whatever

457
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life brings you.

458
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Yeah.

459
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I mean, I really appreciate that because there are a lot of bands that like, I don't know

460
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if Korn went full on Christian music, but you can definitely sing about things in your

461
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life without making it so oddly specific that only people that share that exact belief system

462
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like it, you know?

463
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Right.

464
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I mean, how much, how many lyrics on like, you know, esoteric Kabbalistic concepts can

465
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one write?

466
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Well, if you're a fatalist, they've all been written already and now we're just recycling

467
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everything.

468
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If you're an optimist, then there's an infinite amount of things left to write.

469
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Right, right.

470
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And I mean, I like writing movies and things.

471
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And so I would like to think that there's still things out there to say, although I've

472
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been on quite a dry spell, except two years ago, I finally wrote, yeah, I'm a good writer.

473
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I writ something down, see?

474
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So it's years in Oklahoma getting me.

475
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I do the National Novel Writing Month every year.

476
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And I finally finished it, 50,000 words two years ago, I finally finished it, which isn't

477
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long in terms of novel, but it's, you know, it's technically a novel, but I haven't gone

478
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back to revise it or anything because I'm kind of like, I spent a whole month with that.

479
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I'm kind of, I need a break for a couple of years.

480
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I just need discipline.

481
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Yeah.

482
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I mean, the point is I'd like to think there's still stories out there to tell, despite what

483
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Marvel and Hollywood would lead you to believe.

484
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,320
Well, if I may give this opportunity to give a shout out to my podcast, because we're going

485
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to tell, Team Spirit Art House is something that my friend from Oklahoma has made.

486
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I don't know if you know what an art house is.

487
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:52,120
It's a new concept for me and I can't really fully describe what, because it's a multifaceted

488
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thing and he's into film and animation.

489
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But one of the things is the podcast.

490
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So it's not like the podcast is Team Spirit Art House.

491
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That is the name of the podcast, but it's like part of this larger thing that he's trying

492
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to create and like the whole website and everything and he's these two non-Jewish guys.

493
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I know from Oklahoma because we were part of this movement called the Hebrew Roots movement.

494
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It's like, you know, Christians that start to do Jewish things, but they're still Christian.

495
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:23,320
Like we still have like the Christian mindset, the Trinitarianism and the eternal hell, whatever.

496
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,400
Then I met him through that and he introduced me to Hasidic philosophy and Kabbalah, which

497
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:32,120
like quickly got me out of the Christian mindset and well, long story short, here I am.

498
00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:33,120
But he had a stroke.

499
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:37,920
He's like 45 and he sends me a message and says, you know, can you help me?

500
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,880
Like I can't do all of this myself and I had a stroke and it's more exhausting.

501
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:43,880
And I said, yeah.

502
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,720
So I was helping him with some research and ideas.

503
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,960
So he doesn't have to research the Jewish concepts he's looking for because I have them

504
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:50,960
right here.

505
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,800
I have like five Ikea bookshelves full of books.

506
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,360
Then he asked me if I wanted to be on his podcast.

507
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:59,580
The same week you asked me if I wanted to be on here.

508
00:23:59,580 --> 00:24:04,360
So when we made a WhatsApp group with this other guy who he met online named Elias Dan,

509
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:07,240
who's like in the cult, he has all these different podcasts.

510
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,640
And when we were talking on the WhatsApp group, he said, what should we list Simcha as?

511
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:11,640
And he says, a co-host.

512
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,560
So I was like, oh, I'm co-hosting now.

513
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,080
So that's kind of how it started.

514
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,920
They recorded one episode and we did like, I don't know, last three Sundays recording

515
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,920
stuff.

516
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:23,920
Like there was an introduction of me.

517
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,280
I was telling my story and then I guess it's all going to be edited and then this Walter

518
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:33,560
Benjamin, we interviewed a doctor or professor who was like an expert on Walter Benjamin.

519
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,000
So that's what we did today.

520
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,000
Yeah.

521
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,640
And I will say you sent me your, it was like a three or five minute video that you did

522
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,680
for the art house, team spirit art house.

523
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,480
And I really enjoyed that.

524
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:52,360
And you also sent me a video about whether or not Hitler was in hell, which I really

525
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:53,360
thoroughly enjoyed.

526
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:54,960
Do you remember that one?

527
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:55,960
Was that the rabbi?

528
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:56,960
Yeah.

529
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,640
The rabbi and he was like, nope, Hitler ceased to exist or whatever.

530
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,200
He was talking about how there's no eternal hell and people should throw whoever believes

531
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,200
that should throw it out.

532
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,200
Yeah.

533
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,200
He's from Minnesota or not.

534
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,880
He's not only from Minnesota, he's from Crown Heights probably, but he for a while, I don't

535
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,280
know if he still lives there, but he had his whole thing in Minnesota.

536
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,280
Okay.

537
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,280
Yeah.

538
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,280
I really enjoyed the video.

539
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,440
And yeah, I don't know.

540
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,560
I was reading something today where it was like, I don't know, 20 things that people

541
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,120
believe were in the Bible, but actually aren't.

542
00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:32,800
And there's not a whole lot of devil or eternal hell run by the devil in the Bible.

543
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:38,000
And so like the levels of hell comes from Dante, not from the Bible.

544
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:43,760
And there's nothing really in the Bible that says that Satan oversees the eternal torture

545
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:44,760
in hell.

546
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,360
And it's more that hell is as far away from God as that you can be.

547
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,840
And so that would be the worst thing for an angel to be.

548
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:52,840
But it doesn't really...

549
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:53,840
Yeah, it's the washing machine.

550
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:54,840
Yeah.

551
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:55,840
Yeah.

552
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:56,840
It's the washing machine.

553
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,480
The devil as they call it, but we call him the Satan, but we say the Satan, which means

554
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:02,480
adversary.

555
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,960
He's like a prosecutor in court.

556
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:04,960
Okay.

557
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,440
So he's not like God's alter ego or whatever like Christianity kind of has portrayed him

558
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,440
to be.

559
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,440
Does he...

560
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,840
In your religion, does he put the temptation in you like in the Christian religion, where

561
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,480
it's kind of like, well, Satan was tempting me that day or something?

562
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:25,520
Well, we can't really blame him, but he's the type of guy that I think from my understanding,

563
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,360
everyone listen to Bill Hicks.

564
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:28,360
Yes.

565
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:29,360
Yeah.

566
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:30,360
I use this as an analogy.

567
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:33,720
I don't know if it's a weak analogy, but Bill Hicks was talking about it as a government

568
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,160
thing where he's like, you know, pick up the gun.

569
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,160
The guy picks up the gun.

570
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,160
So the other guy shot him.

571
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,160
He's like, look, he had a gun.

572
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,160
Does that make sense?

573
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,160
Yeah, classic.

574
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,160
So, right.

575
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,360
So that's kind of, I think, what the Satan does.

576
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:49,640
Put something in you, you give him the temptation or whatever it may be.

577
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,520
And then in the heavenly court, he's like, look, look what he did.

578
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:53,520
Yeah.

579
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,040
The eye was there is irrelevant.

580
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,040
Look what he did.

581
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,040
Sounds like the FBI.

582
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,040
Sounds like our government.

583
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,040
Palpatine, right?

584
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,040
Meet your checkable with me.

585
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:07,400
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

586
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,480
Yeah, we haven't, speaking about unwelcome surprises, I don't think we talked about the

587
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:18,440
new three movies that Disney just announced where Ray Palpatine, sorry, Skywalker is coming

588
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:27,420
back to be the Jedi Jesus, as it were, and to resurrect and save all of the Jedi.

589
00:27:27,420 --> 00:27:32,360
This will be the new movie directed by a female starring a female Jedi who had, I don't know,

590
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:36,760
three and a half minutes of training of how to drink milk out of a seal's nipple.

591
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,360
But she's, she's going to be back and she's going to save the Jedi.

592
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:42,960
So I for one cannot wait.

593
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,200
So where are we holding on the three movies that came out in the last few years?

594
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:53,000
The sequels or are you talking like, we shall not speak their names.

595
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,520
Oh, the ray triad, the ray triad.

596
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,280
If they would have came out with Darth Jar Jar, I would have been okay with them.

597
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,800
But other than that, they are horrible.

598
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,880
They should have been banned.

599
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,720
I don't know if you heard the Mike loves a Soka episode, but if they would have put a

600
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:14,760
Soka in there, Mike would have been over the moon happy and he would be trying to propose

601
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,200
to Kathleen Kennedy right now, probably.

602
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:23,640
But Soka is my Jedi knot or force sensitive crush.

603
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,240
Oh, there we go.

604
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,240
I don't know.

605
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,440
I don't want to put words in Mike's mouth.

606
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:32,560
I'll let his episode on a Soka do that for him, but he probably feels a little stronger

607
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,560
than that.

608
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:42,720
Well, you know, well, I think, I think the trouble with the trilogy for me was everything.

609
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:48,360
But the biggest thing was that they had three directors lined up and they told them, do

610
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,420
whatever kind of movie you want to do.

611
00:28:50,420 --> 00:28:55,640
And they never really got together to write out a cohesive trilogy story.

612
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,760
So like JJ did the first one or Rainn Wilson, or I don't know who did it.

613
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,340
Rainn, I don't know.

614
00:29:01,340 --> 00:29:04,760
Somebody did the first one and then somebody else did the second one.

615
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,720
And then the first director came back and did the third one, but they never really talked

616
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,080
to one another about what would happen.

617
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:16,760
And that was supposed to give them full creative control, but it led to very overly muddled

618
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,120
and plot points that got dropped because the second movie then didn't pick up any of the

619
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,080
plot points that were set up in the first one because they didn't have to talk to one

620
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,080
another.

621
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,120
They had full creative control.

622
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,480
And I don't think any of them had even seen any of the movies or the Clone Wars or Rebels

623
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,380
or any of the other stuff that was out there.

624
00:29:32,380 --> 00:29:34,360
And they just said, hey, wouldn't it be neat?

625
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,940
And it wasn't.

626
00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:36,940
But in the first one.

627
00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:37,940
Oh, go on.

628
00:29:37,940 --> 00:29:38,940
No, go ahead, guys.

629
00:29:38,940 --> 00:29:43,880
I was just going to say in the first and second one, there's at least one scene that I enjoyed

630
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,040
that I was like, hey, that's really cool.

631
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,800
In the first one, it was Kylo Ren stopping the blaster bolt in midair.

632
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,800
I thought that was pretty cool.

633
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,660
Just you know, cinematically.

634
00:29:53,660 --> 00:29:58,640
And then the scene that everybody hated, but I loved was when they hyperspaced through

635
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,320
the Star Destroyer and the way that they brought everything together together with the editing

636
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:09,640
and the visuals and the silence, it was phenomenally done.

637
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,400
Like they used up their entire cocaine budget on that one scene.

638
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,400
And then they went back to meth.

639
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,880
Like, I don't know why.

640
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,720
But and then in the third one, I don't even remember what what happened, except there

641
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,960
was like a there was a dagger there for some reason, because that's what people at the

642
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:25,960
Star Wars universe use.

643
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,360
I don't think anyone's ever used a dagger ever in Star Wars.

644
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,720
Man, weird fighting dagger stuff.

645
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,760
Yeah, I listen to this guy named Star Wars theory.

646
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:41,360
I don't know if I'm assuming that you guys are obsessed enough to found him.

647
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,760
But I used to I used to defend the Disney sequels a little bit.

648
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,720
And I mean, I like the characters and I would like movies all my friends think were crap.

649
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,520
So I guess, you know, it's not really saying much that I enjoyed them.

650
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:57,080
But after listening to him and what he was bringing up about, like how they, you know,

651
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,120
Lucas's idea for the sequels was different.

652
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,480
And they basically said they're not contractually obligated, but they would stick to what he

653
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,080
wanted and they didn't.

654
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,240
It was entirely different thing.

655
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,880
And that's what like changed my whole mind about it.

656
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,840
I just think the sequels had a lot of missed opportunities, largely because of what Nate

657
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:14,840
was talking about.

658
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,560
You know, they could have had a very interesting storyline with Finn and they didn't they could

659
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,280
have interesting storylines with all the characters.

660
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:29,160
But instead, they wanted to have blue milk and magical finding of abilities instead of

661
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,720
earning instead of earning your place in the world.

662
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:40,160
None of us like watching the original trilogy, I never once thought to myself, I really wonder

663
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,720
where that blue milk comes from.

664
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,960
And yet here here's Disney answering it for me.

665
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,380
And I never asked.

666
00:31:46,380 --> 00:31:51,520
And I don't need a scene of supposedly the most powerful Jedi Luke Skywalker drinking

667
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,120
straight from the nipple of this thing.

668
00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:02,120
Like it was like it's that shocking of a scene in a Star Wars movie in any movie.

669
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,200
And you know, like all the people breast is best and nursing in public is natural and

670
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,200
all that stuff.

671
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,200
That's not what this is about.

672
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,360
This is it's a it's a I don't know what it was.

673
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,040
I don't know what the what the animal was.

674
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:17,520
And the porgs were kind of like terribly comical, except then Chewie Chewie like burned one,

675
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:18,520
didn't he?

676
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,520
He was like grilling one.

677
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,520
Virtus.Ri style.

678
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,520
He was.

679
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:22,520
Yeah.

680
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:23,520
And it's like, OK.

681
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,520
So I don't know.

682
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,880
It was very I guess uneven would be the best way to to to sum them up.

683
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,040
Even within the movies, they were uneven.

684
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,160
And one of my buddies dragged me to the last one, The Rise of Palpatine.

685
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,040
Sorry, The Rise of Skywalker.

686
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,040
And we were watching it and watching it and watching it.

687
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,760
And I'm sitting there going like, what in the hell is going on here?

688
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,020
But he really wanted to go.

689
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:45,220
And I'm like, I'll go with you, man.

690
00:32:45,220 --> 00:32:46,920
Like you don't have to fly solo.

691
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,200
I'll come with you.

692
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,520
And then the lights came up at the end and he turns to me and goes, what the hell did

693
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,520
we just watch?

694
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,520
And I'm like, I don't know.

695
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,960
I don't know.

696
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,960
What what did Finn want to tell Rey that he loved or that he was for sensitive?

697
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:00,960
I don't know.

698
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,240
I honestly didn't think about that at all.

699
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,440
That wasn't one of the questions the the sequel trilogy left me with.

700
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,720
Most of mine were how did this happen?

701
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,920
How could I get paid that amount of money to make this level of output?

702
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,440
And what is Kathleen Kennedy still doing there?

703
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,080
Cats was a better movie.

704
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,800
People say that Palpatine somehow survived and they were like, how did he survive?

705
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,960
Lucas told I can't think of his name right now because I haven't had sleep, but I know

706
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,440
all their names because I'm about Ian McDermott.

707
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,760
He said that Lucas told him that Palpatine was officially dead.

708
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,760
But like in like Star Wars Legends or somewhere in the Star Wars universe, the expanding universe,

709
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,280
the Palpatine clones himself.

710
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,680
So like I was thinking, well, that's not that's not necessarily a crazy thing to say that,

711
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,920
you know, there's another Palpatine.

712
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,720
I think it was I think it was just easy for them to do.

713
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,400
That's probably why they did it.

714
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:58,640
But and also said also like people criticize the ending where Rey says Rey Skywalker.

715
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:04,800
And I think because of my like, you know, involved in Judaism, like in my religion,

716
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,360
like there's a concept of somebody teaches somebody Torah.

717
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,520
It's as if he fathered him or if he parented him.

718
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:15,160
So I was just kind of thinking, well, they taught her the Jedi wisdom and like, why would

719
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,640
you want to be a Palpatine?

720
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,120
So like it almost made sense that, you know, she kind of saw them as parents.

721
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,680
That was like my defense of it.

722
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:22,680
Yeah.

723
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:28,760
And I don't have a super huge, huge issue outside of it kind of being lazy writing,

724
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,520
I think, because she could have been a Skywalker.

725
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,140
She would have and they kind of set her up as like a nobody.

726
00:34:35,140 --> 00:34:36,520
So she could have been a nobody.

727
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,320
Like why does she have to be a Palpatine or a Skywalker?

728
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,600
It would have been better if she was a nobody and then chose the name like that would have

729
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,560
felt more earned, I think, writing wise.

730
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,560
Right.

731
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:53,640
FYI, guys, I am about halfway through my cigar and we usually do a cigar check cigar check.

732
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,440
And I'm enjoying it.

733
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,680
We'll do we'll do a hand check later because we have talked about a so good quite a bit.

734
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,920
So Mike, let's see those hands too late, too late.

735
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,720
At least we're all remote, right?

736
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:07,720
Exactly.

737
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:08,720
Right.

738
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:12,240
I'm going to put off the microphone.

739
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:15,720
Thanks for being quick on the mute button, Mike.

740
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:16,720
The first time ever.

741
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:17,720
Yes.

742
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:19,880
No, but I'm enjoying my cigar.

743
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:20,880
It's good.

744
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:21,880
Yeah.

745
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,720
It's no flavor change, which we talk about that.

746
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:28,920
It takes some work to make them taste smooth and similar the whole way through.

747
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,840
So it's it's good.

748
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,840
Pleasant.

749
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,840
Yeah, I've been liking it.

750
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,000
It's it's dark, not overly dark.

751
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,120
And but it's spicy.

752
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:41,480
I still have some spicy aftertaste in my mouth from my last puff.

753
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,600
And I don't know, it's it's kind of a solid flavor that I that I enjoy.

754
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:47,600
What are your thoughts?

755
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:48,600
Nice.

756
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,000
My my friend always has good recommendations, though.

757
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,160
You know, they're all like libertarian, like anarchist attorney.

758
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,800
All these people like smoke cigars, all the people I go like talk to, they're all pathetic

759
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:58,800
Jews.

760
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,840
What do you recommend?

761
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,400
Anything that they recommend has been good.

762
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,360
That's excellent to have friends like that.

763
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,360
That's Mike for me.

764
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,360
Oh, geez.

765
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,360
Yes, indeed.

766
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,600
Some of my friends from the synagogue, these same people, they have a fire pit that we

767
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,120
know somebody's house, we just kind of frequent on a Saturday night.

768
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,160
And like always somebody brings like a big bag of cigars.

769
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,840
It's like fire pit cigars and like 90s music.

770
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:23,840
Nice.

771
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,280
You know, Mike, Chicago is not that far away.

772
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,280
No, it's not.

773
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,280
No, it's not at all.

774
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:33,920
My Sarah and I were talking about making me making a trip to go to Chicago, visit the

775
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,920
museums and the zoo and all that fun stuff.

776
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,000
And the shed aquarium.

777
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,040
And they've got a lot of Frank Lloyd Wright.

778
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,040
Yes.

779
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,280
Yes, I want to see some of those buildings.

780
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,840
I'm an architecture minor.

781
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,640
So the Frank Lloyd Wright boner is strong with me.

782
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,640
That's an architectural term.

783
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,320
It has nothing to do with an actual erection.

784
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,760
By the way, are you still into Ayn Rand?

785
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,720
No, we did a whole thing.

786
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:03,680
I think we talked about on the podcast fairly extensively, but I have forsaken her and her

787
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,840
clan and have moved on to stoicism.

788
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:13,400
That's what I thought because I was going to say, despite being an atheist, I do believe

789
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:18,640
it's very important for a person to have a strong philosophical grounding point in their

790
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:19,640
life.

791
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,800
And it could be religion and it could be philosophy and it could be, you know, whatever it is.

792
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,040
But I think that you kind of always need external input on things.

793
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:35,680
And stoicism is kind of everything that Ayn Rand wasn't.

794
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,840
But you know, I do like the one thing that she said, which was don't accept unearned

795
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,080
guilt.

796
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,680
But the rest of her stuff is very, very black and white.

797
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,480
And actually, that's how Mike and I met is I was in Ayn Rand black and white ville and

798
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:54,600
he was in Mikeville, for lack of a better term.

799
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,960
And we butted heads and actually did not like each other at all when we first met.

800
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:07,320
My mutual friend here in Chicago, you influenced her to read Ayn Rand, what she saw as the

801
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:08,320
book.

802
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,000
And she tried to reread them several years ago.

803
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,920
She's like, I can't do this.

804
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,720
She's like, this is terrible.

805
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:16,680
But whenever I knew her from college, she was very much into it.

806
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,680
Yeah.

807
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,320
And I kept her novels, but I got rid of all the other stuff because she did a lot of like

808
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,480
essays and like pontificating and things.

809
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,560
But I do enjoy Atlas Shrugged, even though it's a absolute bear to read because it's

810
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,680
fucking massive and long.

811
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,840
But I kept kind of the novels because I was like, well, you know, you can read a novel

812
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,120
and not be sucked into the whole philosophy kind of thing.

813
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:45,120
So I enjoyed Atlas Shrugged, but I have to admit when I read it, I did skip the 150 page

814
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,120
monologue.

815
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,320
Oh, yeah, that one's a bear.

816
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,720
That chapter is a bear.

817
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:52,800
But yeah, without that, it's a really good book.

818
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,120
There's a book like I don't I haven't read most.

819
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,260
I mean, I just kind of started.

820
00:38:58,260 --> 00:39:02,120
And I haven't been continuing like I got like five bookshelves of holy books that I'm like,

821
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,120
you know, going through.

822
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,200
So but it's called Democracy, the God that Failed by Hans Hermann Hoppe.

823
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,200
Yeah.

824
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,840
You sent me that and I got the PDF to read.

825
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,680
I'm reading and I'm going like, you know, I never I grew up in a Republican bill.

826
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,080
And when I became like, you know, started learning Judaism, like I left for publicanism.

827
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,080
I was never like a Republican.

828
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,920
I never identified that I played video games in Red Lord of the Rings growing up.

829
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,600
You know, Harry Potter is a minion of the devil.

830
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,600
Oh, yeah.

831
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,160
I was not allowed to read Harry Potter.

832
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,160
Yeah, that's witchcraft.

833
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,840
But you were allowed to read Lord of the Rings.

834
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:34,840
Yeah.

835
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,440
But I went by my mom's back and read Harry Potter.

836
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,520
And then as I as I got older, she went to see the movies with me.

837
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,960
But she went through a phase.

838
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:48,040
But like all my like anti political views when I'm talking to my friend, they're like,

839
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,960
it's I said, this is just how I feel like I don't have any sort of intellectual like,

840
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:52,960
you know, thing behind it.

841
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,600
And he's like, well, if you read Democracy, the God that failed, you know, a lot of what

842
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,480
you're saying is, is in there.

843
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,640
I'm very much influenced.

844
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,920
I don't know, like some people think libertarians are these like, I don't know, I guess there's

845
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:03,920
two different types.

846
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,200
I guess there's those like crazy right wing types.

847
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,200
I don't know.

848
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,720
Again, I'm not really educated in that.

849
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:13,520
So I said libertarian in my podcast, my friends like I just want to confirm what you mean,

850
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,920
because in Tennessee, libertarianism is like different.

851
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,760
I'm like, no, these are like, these are the guys that get accused of being leftists when

852
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:27,280
a Republican is president and they get accused of being a conservative when a Democrats president,

853
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,280
these types of libertarians.

854
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:35,440
Yeah, I think the problem is the most vocal groups of libertarians kind of co-opted that

855
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,600
term, right?

856
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,160
So now you can't say libertarian without thinking about the Tea Party party.

857
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,400
And even they kind of co-opted the Tea Party stuff.

858
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,240
I was like, it doesn't mean what it means anymore.

859
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:50,160
And now you can't even have the don't tread on me flag without being without somebody

860
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,160
thinking you're racist.

861
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,160
You know what I mean?

862
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,680
Like they've like these outspoken groups have taken something that meant something completely

863
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:01,600
different and have taken it to mean like uber conservative racist asshat.

864
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,080
And now the rest of us have to find a different term to call ourselves because I don't want

865
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,400
to be labeled the libertarian or Tea Party.

866
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,820
You know, I want to be labeled something different.

867
00:41:10,820 --> 00:41:12,640
Maybe nothing at all.

868
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,760
My pronouns are none.

869
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,720
Please don't refer to me.

870
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:18,120
I took a political compass.

871
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,960
I don't know how accurate those are.

872
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,440
People say that pretty good.

873
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,560
I answered all the questions according to my best of my knowledge and I had most of

874
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:33,680
it had to be based on my Jewish values because I get I'm not like an expert in a lot of the

875
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,360
stuff that people are talking about.

876
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,200
And it said I'm libertarian, like a little left of center.

877
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,200
Sure.

878
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,200
So that was the result.

879
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:46,080
I would be considered libertarian left, so I'm about three quarters of the way in the

880
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,400
libertarian and about three quarters of the way on the left.

881
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:54,040
So yeah, I don't remember exactly what mine was, but it was a lot further left than I

882
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,000
originally thought, you know.

883
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,240
And I think that part of the reason is the right has been getting further and further

884
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:04,840
to the right so that anything even close to center now is considered left, which is kind

885
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:05,840
of fucked up.

886
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,200
It is because I was getting accused of being leftist.

887
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:15,280
Well, you know, anybody left of certain right wing political figures in America are considered

888
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,000
to be to the left, you know.

889
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,600
So if you're left of what are they?

890
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,600
Pat Roberts.

891
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:26,040
Well, even Pat Roberts is left now on issues supposedly.

892
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:31,840
But if you're left of let's say, oh, who's some hardcore right winger that is Marjorie

893
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:32,840
Taylor Green?

894
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:33,840
Yes.

895
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,600
If you're if you're left over to the green, you're a leftist, you know.

896
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,120
So even Pat Roberts, Pat Robertson is OK with trans people.

897
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,000
He doesn't think that they should be harassed.

898
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,420
And he's a televangelist, for fuck's sake.

899
00:42:46,420 --> 00:42:49,060
So it's kind of crazy.

900
00:42:49,060 --> 00:42:51,480
And we talk about that issue here a bit.

901
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,580
And it's like we're talking about such a small percentage of the population that who cares

902
00:42:55,580 --> 00:42:56,580
what's going on?

903
00:42:56,580 --> 00:43:00,320
You know, well, it doesn't affect anybody.

904
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:01,320
So what's the difference?

905
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,320
Yeah.

906
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:07,800
I mean, and really, like we try to be even even off the podcast here, we try to be as

907
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,880
reasoned out as we can, you know, and we think about things and we have a whole episode that

908
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:18,760
we talk about kind of, you know, trans rights and some of these bills that are out about,

909
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,800
you know, a lot of the outspoken.

910
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:21,800
Right.

911
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,940
So all of these things in the national media are outspoken people.

912
00:43:24,940 --> 00:43:26,840
They're not the majority of people.

913
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,160
They're the far left or far right.

914
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,440
And the far left outspoken people say every kid deserves a sex change operation and the

915
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,960
far right says there are kids and you shouldn't and nobody should be getting a sex change.

916
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:42,640
And you know, there's somewhere in the middle that I think our society needs to get to.

917
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:43,640
Right.

918
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,500
Some people need it because then some people don't.

919
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:51,360
And you need to kind of protect the kids in both senses where the kids need to be protected

920
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,340
if they legitimately need it and they need to be protected if they're following a trend

921
00:43:55,340 --> 00:43:56,340
or a fad.

922
00:43:56,340 --> 00:44:00,600
I carried pogs around to screw cardboard circles.

923
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:01,600
Like I carried those.

924
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,920
Somebody should have protected me from those.

925
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:04,920
And then the school banned them.

926
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,200
So we went on to something else.

927
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:11,240
But you know, I mean, as a kid and even as adults, there's lots of these transitory fads

928
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:17,680
that kind of go on like bitcoins and cryptocurrency and stuff.

929
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:18,680
Texas Hold'em.

930
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,840
My friend and I were doing some research on transgender and Jewish law.

931
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,560
This is a real question, especially nowadays.

932
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,280
I don't know how much of a question it was back then.

933
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:34,360
But you know, because men are obligated to certain commandments that women aren't.

934
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:39,460
So if a person transitions against a sex change operation, does this person still keep the

935
00:44:39,460 --> 00:44:44,640
commandments of that all of them just like a man or would he just be like a Jewish woman?

936
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:51,000
And we found one contemporary authority on Jewish law who rules a lot more liberal in

937
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:58,400
a lot of his rulings and he says that they recognize the sex change and she would be

938
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,320
considered a Jewish woman and her obligations would be thus.

939
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,320
And that seems reasonable.

940
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,200
So that's not gonna stop people who got sucked into society.

941
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,360
Unfortunately, that's what happens.

942
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,960
And so you have Jews, unfortunately, that are very right wing.

943
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,080
And you have those that are libertarian, you have those that don't care.

944
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,120
And I don't know, I guess it's not like some topic of discussion at synagogues or anything.

945
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,880
My friend and I were talking about these people, like it's not easy being them.

946
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,960
It's not like so simple as some like, you know, woke dude just wanting to become a woman.

947
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,700
Like these people go through some shit.

948
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:35,040
And so that's what we were trying to find like the sources.

949
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,040
Better to have these people be, you know, in our mind, the religious Jews than like

950
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,120
being made to feel like they can't be religious because of their identity.

951
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,120
Yeah, for sure.

952
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:48,560
And that's super interesting because, you know, that's been some of the criticisms

953
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:53,800
of, let's just say the Bible, because that's what I'm more familiar with is, you know,

954
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:59,040
if God and Jesus were all knowing why didn't they put in the New Testament, you know, thou

955
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,560
shalt not send dick pics to minors.

956
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:02,560
Right.

957
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:08,000
You know, so I mean, a lot of it's open to interpretation, but it's not willy nilly interpretation.

958
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,600
It's you know, you need the people, the right people to look at it and study it and in accordance

959
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,080
with everything else.

960
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:20,680
And you know, the overall, I mean, even the Constitution was designed as sort of a living

961
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:26,400
document to some extent, you know, because there's an amendment process, which is, we've

962
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,920
never seen an amendment in our lifetime.

963
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,960
I don't believe Mike, have we?

964
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,680
So you know, it's not something that happens very frequently, but there are definitely

965
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:39,000
Supreme Court cases that come and redefine things that have previously been decided,

966
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,860
you know, and right now it's the abortion stuff and the access to the abortion pills

967
00:46:43,860 --> 00:46:45,840
and medications.

968
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,000
And I don't know what 10 years ago or so, or maybe longer than that, because I don't

969
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,760
want to believe I'm as old as I am.

970
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:56,000
It was, you know, same sex marriage, and they decided on that.

971
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,560
But it's always kind of one of those things where you can go back and change your definitions

972
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,840
as the environment changes.

973
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:03,840
Yep.

974
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,280
That's why we have the Talmud, which is a, I don't know if you've ever seen these people

975
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,360
accuse the Talmud of being black magic, but it's just a bunch of legal discussions.

976
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,040
And then we just use the logic of those discussions, like books and books of Jewish law have been

977
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,520
written for like, you know, over the past 2000 years for contemporary times, because

978
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,600
some things just weren't, they didn't exist back then.

979
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:22,600
So how do we do it?

980
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:28,000
So then you have these people that are experts on Jewish law and then this is what they do.

981
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,000
They get together and they design.

982
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,600
Based on sources, everything has to be based on sources.

983
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:32,600
It can't be made up.

984
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:33,600
Yep.

985
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,320
So very much unlike our government.

986
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,320
Right.

987
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,360
Well, Nate and I have talked about this before.

988
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,240
Inflation must be higher, therefore it is.

989
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:47,280
And now the post office is trying to raise the stamp price to 66 cents because inflation

990
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,440
wasn't enough for you and I to shoulder.

991
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,480
So they're going to hit us somewhere else.

992
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,560
All my Dear Abby letters are going to be more expensive.

993
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,400
I'll be published one of these days.

994
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,400
I tell you.

995
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,400
Dear Abby.

996
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,000
Is Dear Abby still being actively published?

997
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,720
The CEO of my company was making eyes at me.

998
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:08,200
Dear Abby, what do I do?

999
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:12,400
Dear Abby, my friend said that transgendered women aren't allowed to be on the girls volleyball

1000
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,400
team.

1001
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,080
What should I do?

1002
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,320
Dear Abby, Kathleen Kennedy is still employed at Disney.

1003
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,320
What do I do?

1004
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:29,680
On a serious note, did you guys see the interview with John McCain's wife where she said that

1005
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,920
everybody knew about Jeffrey Epstein and they knew what he was doing, what was going on.

1006
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,880
They just didn't know who they could report him to.

1007
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:37,880
I didn't see it.

1008
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:38,880
He didn't see it.

1009
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:39,880
I didn't.

1010
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,760
But that is what I've been saying all along.

1011
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,400
Mike and I have been saying all along, you don't go to Pedophile Island, see pedophilia

1012
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,800
going on and then be like, I didn't see anything.

1013
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,000
It's like Bohemian Grove, right?

1014
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,160
Everybody knows what's going on.

1015
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,560
Yeah.

1016
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,600
Or what's that place in Florida with the spring break?

1017
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,160
Fort Lauderdale.

1018
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,160
You know what's going on.

1019
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,160
Yeah.

1020
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:08,920
If your wife goes to Fort Lauderdale for spring break, you know that's not a good situation.

1021
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,400
How do people trust these people?

1022
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,240
I don't understand how people trust politicians.

1023
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:14,240
I really don't.

1024
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:15,240
I don't either.

1025
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:16,240
Stupid people.

1026
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:18,960
But they all watch the news media.

1027
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,800
They're plugged into the machine and the news media repeats every story like twice an hour.

1028
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,240
And then that's the only story they think of.

1029
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:28,720
And that's why everything in our culture is so transient.

1030
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:35,960
One week it's school shootings, one week it's Bud Light beer cans, the next week it's USPS

1031
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,480
stamps going up, the next week it's Russia doing something else or Ukraine doing something

1032
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:41,480
else.

1033
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,480
Everything's on a two week cycle.

1034
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:48,560
If you stop and pay attention and they released, it was years ago now with the Panama Papers

1035
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,360
and the Pandora Papers.

1036
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:55,200
And it was outlining how all of the uber rich and the ruling class, meaning all of our politicians,

1037
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,800
keep all their money in these offshore accounts to circumvent taxation.

1038
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,280
And they all came out and everybody was all up in arms.

1039
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,760
And then the journalist who broke the story the first time wound up committing suicide

1040
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,040
in their jail cell.

1041
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,920
No wait, that was Epstein, I'm sorry.

1042
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:11,920
But they died anyway.

1043
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:12,920
This journalist.

1044
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:13,920
Epstein didn't kill him, folks.

1045
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:14,920
I'm sure of a suicide.

1046
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,000
No, yeah, of course he did.

1047
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,080
Of course he did.

1048
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:22,080
I mean, the security camera at this high security facility just happened to go out and then

1049
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,720
his guards just happened to walk away, you know, at the same time, magically.

1050
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:30,120
Not like there's an alarm on things like that at high security facilities.

1051
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,520
I mean, that would be magical.

1052
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:37,560
They have alarms on security footage are magical.

1053
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:42,920
I don't know, the government takes hardly any taxes from you or I, and they can't afford

1054
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,160
a battery backup generator thing.

1055
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,680
You know, they're like less than 100 bucks to go get a real nice one that'll run your

1056
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,000
fridge in a power outage.

1057
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,760
But yeah, high security, they don't they can't afford backups for those cameras and the guards

1058
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,560
have their union mandated breaks.

1059
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,640
So it was the unions fault really, and all the Lib Dards, right?

1060
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:00,640
Yeah, unionism is horrible.

1061
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:01,640
This ban unions.

1062
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,040
If the Republicans would have had their way, they would have they would have went in there

1063
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,760
and shot him themselves instead of hanging him and trying to make it look like a suicide.

1064
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,720
Wait, I'm sorry, did I say that out loud?

1065
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:11,720
Make total sense.

1066
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:14,680
You know, one of his conspirators committed suicide in prison too in France.

1067
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:15,680
Shocking.

1068
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:16,680
I know it's weird.

1069
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:17,680
It's real weird.

1070
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,320
Strange, strange how that stuff happens.

1071
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,880
I guess these high power people are really emotionally unstable.

1072
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,360
Wow, that makes a lot of sense.

1073
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:27,360
Or something.

1074
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,780
It's 100 percent.

1075
00:51:30,780 --> 00:51:33,960
If you're just not paying attention, it's fine.

1076
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:40,520
Yeah, if you just plug into the national media, it doesn't matter if it's CNN, Fox or whatever

1077
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:41,520
the other ones are.

1078
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:42,880
They just repeat the cycles.

1079
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,420
And it's it's always the distractionary technique is the other side is to blame.

1080
00:51:47,420 --> 00:51:48,420
Get mad at them.

1081
00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:52,000
Get mad at your neighbor because your neighbor wants to do something different than you do.

1082
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,760
They cheer for a different football team.

1083
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,360
How can you trust them?

1084
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:56,960
And that's all people think about.

1085
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,920
And that's why and that's legitimately why I quit watching football is because everybody

1086
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,240
got so wound up about millionaires hitting each other trying to chase a ball around the

1087
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:08,440
field and they would get downright mean.

1088
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,360
And it's like we're watching millionaires.

1089
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,200
We're supposed to be entertained and we're fighting each other over it.

1090
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,200
Like stop.

1091
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,200
You got to stop.

1092
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:16,200
Right.

1093
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,920
It is the opiate of the masses.

1094
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:24,680
I really like how they throw around cultural Marxism now is like some sort of weird insult.

1095
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,640
I don't even know if it has a definition in reality.

1096
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,000
That term, you know what I mean?

1097
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,000
It's like the boogeyman.

1098
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,840
You might as well say the boogeyman.

1099
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,680
Yeah, it's almost like terrorism, right?

1100
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,600
I mean, terrorism is totally a thing.

1101
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:42,880
But after 9-11, anybody that did anything that was upset about anything anywhere ever

1102
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,580
was terrorism or domestic terrorism.

1103
00:52:46,580 --> 00:52:47,820
They're a domestic terrorist.

1104
00:52:47,820 --> 00:52:49,040
We can waterboard you now.

1105
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:55,320
We don't have to give you your your God given rights to a fair trial or to anything because

1106
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:56,320
you're a terrorist.

1107
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,080
Therefore, you forego all of your rights.

1108
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,080
America.

1109
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,000
Fuck yeah.

1110
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,680
Freedom cost a buck oh five or with inflation $10 and 50 cents.

1111
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,840
You just have to appreciate that you have the freedom to do what you're told.

1112
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:11,840
God damn it.

1113
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,680
I would love to do that as an American citizen here and all these communist bastards.

1114
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:17,680
We're going to get them.

1115
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,800
I don't know how we're going to drive over a pothole roads and our tanks and we're going

1116
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:21,800
to get them.

1117
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:22,800
We got our EVs.

1118
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:23,800
We're going to get them.

1119
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:24,800
I want to talk about that.

1120
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:32,400
Did did you guys see that Biden's new plan is to get EVs to be two thirds of all vehicle

1121
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:33,400
sales by 2035?

1122
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,320
I didn't hear about that.

1123
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:36,320
You sent me that.

1124
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,720
I said, yeah, I sent Nate a video and I sent you the New York Times article too.

1125
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:41,720
I can't remember.

1126
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:43,720
But yeah, it's behind a paywall.

1127
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:46,200
And apparently I've used up my quota for free.

1128
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,200
New York.

1129
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,240
I thought it was the first fucking amendment freedom of the press and why do I got to pay

1130
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:52,240
to read journalism?

1131
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:55,200
New York Times is that journalism really?

1132
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,240
I know.

1133
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:59,200
Is any of the journalism journalism really?

1134
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,400
We're just talking about today in the podcast.

1135
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,800
Walter Benjamin made a lot of a lot of profound statements and predictions.

1136
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,800
I'm not a Walter Benjamin expert to explain it here when that episode comes out.

1137
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:11,800
Listen to it.

1138
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,400
The guy talks about it.

1139
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,320
I think that you guys are really, really like it.

1140
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:21,280
The things that he was talking about is like, wow, people need this in our times, you know,

1141
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:22,280
the way and media.

1142
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:28,240
I don't remember what specifically, but media, how it affects culture, how it affects society

1143
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:29,240
and just art.

1144
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:31,880
We're not even talking about news.

1145
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,760
But we did talk about how like, you know, you can't trust these news sources because

1146
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,480
it's about what the consumer wants and they're just giving it turn to Fox News.

1147
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,840
Yeah, it's like infotainment is what it is.

1148
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:48,320
They give you just enough of what actually happened and then they spin it.

1149
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,280
I think Nate has, but have you ever read any Noam Chomsky?

1150
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,280
I'm familiar.

1151
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:57,360
OK, so one of the big ideas is manufacturing consent.

1152
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:02,520
And that affects media and any sort of thing we see in the national news where you don't

1153
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:07,160
get to be in that position unless you already agree with the consensus opinion.

1154
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,920
And that's part of the problem.

1155
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:14,040
You know, you don't get to be there unless you truly believe with the consensus.

1156
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,040
That's scary.

1157
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:20,000
I mean, I knew that, but I mean, I didn't know that part, but I knew about the scary.

1158
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,000
Like, how are we supposed to do?

1159
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,000
Where are we supposed to trust?

1160
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,560
You know, no one trust, no one.

1161
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,840
You know, something disturbing happened around covid.

1162
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,680
I think we were still doing the masks, the separation, the synagogues.

1163
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,320
I mean, it's a large community.

1164
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,880
There's like 30 synagogues or the synagogues that I can walk to because of the Sabbath,

1165
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:38,880
we don't drive.

1166
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:39,880
So I walked it.

1167
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,320
But I was there once.

1168
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,560
And OK, I don't know if you're familiar with Education Day.

1169
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,360
I don't know how many people are really aware of that.

1170
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:47,840
Never heard of it.

1171
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,640
So Education Day, they have some resolution.

1172
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,240
They read it, whatever the White House puts it out.

1173
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:56,200
And I think they read it at the UN or something.

1174
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:02,000
But it was a day commemorating the leader of my Hasidic movement that I'm a part of

1175
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:07,400
because the Rebbe, our Rebbe Menachem El-Shenarism believed in education.

1176
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,240
So they honored him by making his birthday Education Day.

1177
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:14,680
So whenever his birthday falls out, I don't know if it's if they make it the Hebrew Day

1178
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,360
or if they make it like the English day he was born, is Education Day.

1179
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,480
This is where I don't know, like nobody makes a big deal out of it, except they just read

1180
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,160
it as a resolution.

1181
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:27,200
But during this whole Trump thing and the whole anti-vax thing, I don't have an opinion.

1182
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,720
I'm not a scientist or a medical professional.

1183
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:34,400
But one of the people, like whatever, he was giving a talk about something and he just

1184
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,640
said the education was dangerous.

1185
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:37,640
And I didn't say anything.

1186
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:42,640
I was just like, wait a second, this is totally opposite of like what we value and what the

1187
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,560
leader of our movement valued.

1188
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,760
But like I couldn't tell if he was joking at first.

1189
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,080
Like I just really couldn't tell.

1190
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:49,080
But it was just weird.

1191
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,440
Like this whole that whole thing just made a bunch of people forget they're Jews and

1192
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,280
they became like Republicans first.

1193
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:56,280
Sure.

1194
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:57,280
Well, education is dangerous.

1195
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:03,000
You know, any sort of ignorance based ideology funded education.

1196
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,200
I think the trouble with education is a lot of education with the standardized testing

1197
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:13,920
and everything is it's teaching you to memorize facts rather than it is teaching you to think

1198
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:14,920
for yourself.

1199
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:15,920
Right.

1200
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,360
Thinking for yourself and questioning authority is dangerous.

1201
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,560
It just inherently is to the to the to the state.

1202
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:27,880
Well, yeah, the people with power, you know, you should really be worried about Bud Light

1203
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:32,320
sending a can to an online influencer that has three people that follow them.

1204
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,000
Dude, I'm so mad.

1205
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,360
I am so mad about that.

1206
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,880
But like, can I forgot all about French haircuts?

1207
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:38,880
It's amazing.

1208
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:39,880
I know.

1209
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:40,880
Right.

1210
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,480
No French haircuts on that day.

1211
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:47,160
All anger towards Bud Light and some random person who lives somewhere in America.

1212
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,160
Did they not like it because the person was trans?

1213
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:50,480
Is that like the whole thing?

1214
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:51,480
Yeah.

1215
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,240
Well, it was a masterstroke, actually.

1216
00:57:53,240 --> 00:58:00,560
So the people who are like the hard left people hate Dylan Mulvaney because of certain factors.

1217
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,240
And then, of course, the right wingers hate Dylan Mulvaney because of the trans issue.

1218
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:05,240
It's perfect.

1219
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:06,240
Perfect.

1220
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,240
As far as it makes one of my bud light.

1221
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:13,600
I don't know if I'd go that far, but I do enjoy the hardcore conservatives that go out

1222
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,920
and buy Bud Light now just to shoot it with their AR-15 on their YouTube channel to give

1223
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,680
Bud Light even more money and promotion.

1224
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,840
Like, that's how not to do like a boycott.

1225
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:24,840
Right.

1226
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,120
Like you don't you don't boycott something by buying more of it.

1227
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:28,120
Well, yeah.

1228
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,360
And people are talking about that instead of the government going after whistleblowers,

1229
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:37,640
which they just the New York Times just exposed a whistleblower on purpose and they don't talk

1230
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:42,400
about how the government is trying to ban VPNs right now.

1231
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,160
You know, there's a lot of serious issues that are a lot of serious things that are

1232
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,440
happening in our government and they don't want you talking about that.

1233
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,800
They don't want you to talk about how the government is purposefully extending the war

1234
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:54,800
in Ukraine.

1235
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:55,800
Yeah.

1236
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,360
Well, the good thing about the VPN that I use that I don't use, I mean, is that I did

1237
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:04,200
an extensive amount of research and it's not part of the 13 eyes group of countries and

1238
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:09,440
it's not based in the U.S. so it's not really limited to whatever the United States decides.

1239
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,960
I'm not saying I did that research and I'm not saying that you, the listener, should

1240
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,080
do that research.

1241
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,080
I'm just saying.

1242
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,680
By the way, I meant to ask you guys something.

1243
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,520
People see Marxism as a quote unquote threat.

1244
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:27,680
I don't know much about Marxism, but some of the newer friends that I made in my community

1245
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:33,640
are like their words, real lefties, not this guy left that America has.

1246
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:38,960
You mean what you mean the zero sugar lefties, Coke Zero?

1247
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:39,960
What's yours?

1248
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:40,960
Coke Zero lefties.

1249
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:41,960
The gluten free.

1250
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:42,960
Yeah, we don't use diet anymore.

1251
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:43,960
The gluten free is a good one.

1252
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:44,960
Oh, I see what you're saying.

1253
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:45,960
He said that, you know, he went to Evanston nearby here.

1254
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:46,960
He grew up in Evanston.

1255
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:47,960
He used to hand out like Marxist newspapers.

1256
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:48,960
He was a very good guy.

1257
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:49,960
He was a very good guy.

1258
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:50,960
He was a very good guy.

1259
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:51,960
He was a very good guy.

1260
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:52,960
He was a very good guy.

1261
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:53,960
He was a very good guy.

1262
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:54,960
He was a very good guy.

1263
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:55,960
He was a very good guy.

1264
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:56,960
He was a very good guy.

1265
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:57,960
He grew up in Evanston, and he used to work at the Marxist newspapers, and his wife's

1266
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:58,960
parents were some revolutionaries in Chile or something.

1267
00:59:58,960 --> 00:59:59,960
Like, it's really crazy.

1268
00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:00,960
It's so cool.

1269
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,960
Like I was like, oh, so what we have here is just a joke?

1270
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:04,960
Yeah, this is the joke.

1271
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:05,960
Whatever is left.

1272
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:14,340
If you're seeing something that's left wing on television, it's not left wing.

1273
01:00:14,340 --> 01:00:15,340
Right.

1274
01:00:15,340 --> 01:00:16,760
It's just not.

1275
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:22,120
You're never going to see anybody talk about on national television, criticize the military

1276
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,560
industrial complex and explain that we could spend 100 billion,

1277
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,360
a hundred million dollars in end homelessness in the United States.

1278
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,800
Hey, or we could buy Twitter for 44 billion.

1279
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,880
Right. Yeah. Yeah. We sent more money to Ukraine than it would take us to end

1280
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,840
homelessness permanently in the United States.

1281
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,640
So what benefits you and I more? Right. It's very,

1282
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:42,920
why are people scared of Marxism?

1283
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:44,760
It's propaganda.

1284
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,000
So there's like really nothing in Marxist philosophy that like, you know,

1285
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,120
is somehow dangerous. I never like, I'm not. Well,

1286
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,920
Marxism is kind of like a pipe, pipe dream, kind of like, uh,

1287
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,400
true libertarianism is a pipe dream.

1288
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,120
Well, and you know, like capitalism, capitalism is kind of a pipe dream.

1289
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:06,240
I mean, the same people that, the same people that say cap or Marxism is

1290
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,120
dangerous or the same people that see nothing wrong with our capitalistic

1291
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,320
society as it is today. And I think the problem is,

1292
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,800
is that power is that goes back to star Wars and Palpatine, right?

1293
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,240
Like absolute power corrupts absolutely or something.

1294
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:24,720
And those people that seek the power and can vote themselves

1295
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,520
salary increases and whatever,

1296
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,520
it doesn't matter if that's under a capitalistic economy or a Marxist economy

1297
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,840
or communist or socialist or whatever kind of economy.

1298
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,360
When you have the ruling class versus everybody else,

1299
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,640
anything's a threat. Even capitalism, what we have today,

1300
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:44,000
which is morphed into like corporatism and cronyism.

1301
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,880
And that would happen even under Marxism, you know?

1302
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,840
So there's gotta be some kind of safeguards under these things to keep these

1303
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,280
people in check. Sure. I mean, it's a pipe dream. Like I say,

1304
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,560
we've never seen a government that fell underneath the strict Marxist ideology.

1305
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,800
It was always Bolshevism, which is just a,

1306
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,080
another way of saying totalitarian government, you know what I mean?

1307
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,680
So it's just a political philosophy,

1308
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,800
but it's a good bogeyman to throw out there. Right. Yeah.

1309
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,920
And so I've been wanting this. If you read, Oh, go ahead, Nate.

1310
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,080
Oh, you go Mike, and then I'll go.

1311
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,840
Oh, as I was going to say, if you read Karl Marx,

1312
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:22,920
a lot of it makes a lot of sense as far as the means of production

1313
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,840
are owned by the ruling class,

1314
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:30,760
but the means of knowledge are owned by the middle classes and the working classes

1315
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,160
and that the ruling classes, because they own all the capital,

1316
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,320
they get all the profits, even though they don't have any of the knowledge

1317
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:38,960
to produce anything.

1318
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,120
And that's just fundamentally true.

1319
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,920
You know, the people who make all the money don't actually know

1320
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,680
how the system works and they don't know how to produce anything.

1321
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,240
And they don't make anything operate.

1322
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,920
They just have capital so they can maximize profit.

1323
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:53,960
And that's what our society is all about.

1324
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,800
Yeah. And that's why my boss doesn't know how to do what I do.

1325
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,080
Like if I like, I can't go to him to ask for questions

1326
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,400
about how to do my job because he just doesn't know.

1327
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,200
He's a nice enough guy, but he doesn't know.

1328
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:10,840
And I think that's true of any economic or governmental,

1329
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,680
whatever, whatever you're following is a country like

1330
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,000
there's going to be people that know more that actually do the things.

1331
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,120
And it's all kind of like checks and balances.

1332
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,360
And so the whole point is like what when we started our country,

1333
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,360
we had the three branches of government to try and do checks and balances.

1334
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,920
But now they all work together because they get rich off of us,

1335
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,120
you know, and off of their other deals and stuff that they do.

1336
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,400
And so but I was going to say the book that I'm reading is called

1337
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,600
The Dawn of Everything, and it's looking at inequality

1338
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:43,320
through the lens of pre-Columbian tribes here in North America.

1339
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:47,280
And they had it was I can't remember the exact term, but it was

1340
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,920
they were basically flabbergasted, which is totally in modern parlance

1341
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,600
these days, that the French people had poor people

1342
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,600
that were begging for money and couldn't afford to feed themselves.

1343
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,680
And they were like, and you guys think you're better than us?

1344
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,320
Like everyone in our tribe eats. They all eat.

1345
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:09,040
Some of our tribes, tribes, people have, you know, more beads to trade

1346
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:13,080
or more knives or more arrows or whatever.

1347
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,520
But we all eat like we're all taken care of.

1348
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,680
So it's kind of like the social social socialism or something

1349
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,560
or like base needs socialism.

1350
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:25,080
And then, you know, if you're quote unquote poor,

1351
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:29,440
you can't do as much much trading with other tribes, but you still eat.

1352
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:33,080
You sell a home. You still have a role within the tribe.

1353
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,920
But you're just not, you know, I don't know.

1354
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,320
I mean, what's wrong with that? Like, why why couldn't we fix homelessness?

1355
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:44,240
Why are we spending all this money on aggressive homelessness architecture?

1356
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:49,080
You know, the spikes on benches and windowsills and things instead of,

1357
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:54,400
you know, giving them places to live and teaching them skills to do things.

1358
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,080
I don't know. That's just left.

1359
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:58,800
It's nonsense. I know. Damn it.

1360
01:04:58,800 --> 01:04:59,960
I blame Disney.

1361
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:04,120
Well, if we tried to take care of our social problems like homelessness,

1362
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:09,320
how could we have military bases circumnavigating the entire globe?

1363
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,040
You know, that is a good point.

1364
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:12,000
My was a few of them.

1365
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,240
We definitely need military bases everywhere in the world.

1366
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,120
I don't know how we could function without having that military base

1367
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,560
in that country I can't pronounce.

1368
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,800
Right. There hasn't been a terrorist attack in my county since

1369
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:30,360
a war that happened 130 fucking years ago against the Ojibwe.

1370
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:34,800
But I got to really worry about, you know, what happens in the Philippines.

1371
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,200
Yeah, right. Are we Team America?

1372
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:38,680
Well, please. Exactly.

1373
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,040
How are we supposed to have good puppet sex without it?

1374
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:45,480
I know that makes that makes our rulers a lot of money.

1375
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,520
So we have to have all these wars all the time and all these things

1376
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,720
that we fund all the time militarily.

1377
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,120
We couldn't possibly have a military base in the country

1378
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,920
we couldn't possibly, you know, have.

1379
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,840
I don't know. This is going to this.

1380
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,720
I'm you know, this is going to make me sound like a communist.

1381
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:03,880
I don't know why we can't just have universal health care

1382
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:07,320
like most other first world democratic countries have.

1383
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,840
But that would make us communist. So we can't do that.

1384
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,440
Well, what's good for Pfizer is good for America, dude.

1385
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,160
Obviously. I mean, that's why the head of Pfizer is an American.

1386
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,040
Yeah. OxyContin was great for us. Give us more, please.

1387
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,080
That's why the head of Pfizer is an American and not like the son

1388
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,160
of a fucking Nazi war criminal.

1389
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,160
I feel like both are probably true.

1390
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:29,840
I don't know if he was the son of the grandson.

1391
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,200
Not nice guys, not nice, not nice guys.

1392
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,240
But man, can they turn to profit?

1393
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,240
So therefore they're successful Americans. Right.

1394
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,440
It makes my heart swell with pride to be an American.

1395
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,160
Proud to be an American.

1396
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:54,000
The Jewish sages 2000 years ago said don't trust politicians

1397
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,800
because when you need them, they're not going to be there for you

1398
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,560
because they're only interested in themselves.

1399
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,240
They only care about themselves.

1400
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,560
And and whatever they were doing on Epstein Island.

1401
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,000
And whatever they were doing on Epstein Island.

1402
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,200
But I really don't understand how even like Jews could like trust.

1403
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,760
Oh, Donald Trump's not a politician.

1404
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,680
He became one. So there you go.

1405
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:16,320
If you're actively seeking a public office, you are therefore a politician.

1406
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,840
If you're a business person, you're a politician.

1407
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:20,120
You have to be.

1408
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,640
That's the whole definition of politician. Right.

1409
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:26,640
I just don't understand how people can overlook the fact

1410
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,640
that Donald Trump has been in the cultural zeitgeist for 40 years.

1411
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:36,800
And his whole persona was being a dirtbag, corrupt, rich New York businessman

1412
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:41,680
that went around grabbing pussies and banging, you know, Eastern European prostitutes.

1413
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:46,480
You're fired. Exactly.

1414
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,040
And that's fine.

1415
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:51,520
I mean, I'm not trying to like say he's any worse than our current president,

1416
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,080
who is well known for certain negative things.

1417
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,400
Being a dixie, potentially being a molester, you know,

1418
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,120
we're not defending any politicians.

1419
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:02,920
He just likes to smell hair, man.

1420
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,320
Let him let him sniff hair in peace.

1421
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,560
Always raining on the hair sniffing parade, this guy.

1422
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,200
Right. You know, and that's why his daughter wrote that

1423
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,480
she was afraid to take a shower at home when he was home.

1424
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,360
I'm afraid to take a shower knowing that he's somewhere out there

1425
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,640
and has the NSA watching me.

1426
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,080
And the term woke man, this got ruined.

1427
01:08:22,440 --> 01:08:24,160
What do you say, woke? What?

1428
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,600
I said the term woke got ruined. Oh, for sure.

1429
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,320
Yeah, the cult of these go on, Sima.

1430
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,520
I was saying, I always thought that woke meant you had like some

1431
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,360
higher perception of reality.

1432
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,200
That's how I always interpreted it.

1433
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,400
And then the past two years, every time I heard the word woke,

1434
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,480
it's like people are using it in a negative term.

1435
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,480
Yeah, because like originally it was like Matrix, right?

1436
01:08:47,480 --> 01:08:51,560
Like you've awoken from your captive cell or pod or whatever,

1437
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,680
and you see the state of things as they are.

1438
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,040
And now it means something completely different.

1439
01:08:56,040 --> 01:09:00,400
And I just could we have like a societal movement

1440
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,080
where they don't co-op terms that I'm used to using,

1441
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:04,720
and then I have to learn a new definition of it

1442
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,120
and then find something else to use because they ruined it.

1443
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:11,280
Definitely. Well, as some wise man once told me,

1444
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,680
the revolution will not be televised.

1445
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,560
Thanks, Obama. Probably the truth.

1446
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,840
Oh, yeah, we still got to blame him for stuff.

1447
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:20,760
I forgot about that.

1448
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,960
What I think is so funny is that people think there's a difference

1449
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:28,080
between Obama and Bush and Clinton and Trump and Biden.

1450
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,400
Can you tell me a meaningful difference?

1451
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,960
A couple of those guys are white.

1452
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:39,640
At least one of them doesn't know how to pronounce names in the Bible,

1453
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:43,960
which I think is hilarious.

1454
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:48,280
And I don't think Trump uses a script writer or speechwriter.

1455
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,560
I think he just goes off the cuff all the time.

1456
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,920
And we talked about that, too, Mike, where it's like, you know,

1457
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,040
his whole persona is kind of like I speak from the truth

1458
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,440
or speak for my truth or whatever.

1459
01:09:58,440 --> 01:10:02,800
But it ends up making him sound like a giant ass hat, which, of course, he is.

1460
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,600
They all are. But the others, at least to my knowledge,

1461
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:07,800
have kind of used a script writer.

1462
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,280
And it's not our fault.

1463
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,120
And it's not his fault that Bush can't read a teleprompter.

1464
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,240
So, you know, he's like the Ron Burgundy of presidents.

1465
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:19,280
And that's what everybody like tore into him about instead of other things

1466
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,360
that were maybe more meaningful to tear into him about.

1467
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:24,080
Oh, geez.

1468
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,920
I said that kind of fast, just, you know, just in case.

1469
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:32,600
Yeah, we we use a slang terms around here, like French haircuts.

1470
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:33,600
And in Minecraft.

1471
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:35,600
Yes.

1472
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaking about Minecraft, the guy that leaked all those documents

1473
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:44,160
did it on like a Discord server for his game gamer buddies.

1474
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,400
I mean, supposedly, that's if you believe what the media is telling you.

1475
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:49,640
Oh, that's a hard one.

1476
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,320
Well, it's interesting because he got exposed by the New York Times

1477
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,280
when he was on the news.

1478
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:59,840
He got exposed by the New York Times, which is completely against journalistic

1479
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:04,440
ethics. So that tells you the state of journalism in a nutshell right there.

1480
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,240
So what news do people trust?

1481
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:11,800
You have to do the research and get them, you know, get a variety of sources

1482
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:16,240
and try to make the decision for yourself based on the various lies

1483
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:17,560
that are being propagated.

1484
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:18,720
That's the big thing, Mike.

1485
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,320
You got to look at a more than one source.

1486
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:26,320
You can't just say, oh, this newspaper, this media outlet has served me

1487
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,760
well in the past. Therefore, I'm going to believe what they say.

1488
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,040
Who is the I'm trying to?

1489
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,920
Oh, Edward Snowden, you know, and he's and he's on the run.

1490
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,440
And all he did was tell the American people they were being spied on.

1491
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:39,640
And now he can never come back here.

1492
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:45,200
And Julian Assange is in prison and was on the run for years.

1493
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:49,520
And the journalists who reported on what he leaked got pulled surprises.

1494
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:55,200
So, yeah, so it's a whole big it's all a big game to the powers that be,

1495
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:56,320
you know, the ruling class.

1496
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,560
And I say this all the time is it's not Republican versus Democrat.

1497
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,920
It's ruling class for us everyday citizens.

1498
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,400
And if you're not in the ruling class, you're an everyday citizen.

1499
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,720
It doesn't matter if you're middle class or poor.

1500
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,760
You're an everyday citizen and the ruling class.

1501
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:10,800
It's all a game to them.

1502
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,040
And they love to spin it.

1503
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,640
And they love to shoot out different things to both their bought

1504
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:17,320
and paid for media outlets.

1505
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:21,400
I think just the stuff that came out of Fox News with all the Fox News anchors

1506
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,600
saying that they hated Donald Trump off air, but then on air, they said

1507
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,560
he was the greatest thing ever in the world.

1508
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:31,480
So, you know, there's no journalistic integrity anymore because these are not

1509
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,640
journalist outfits anymore.

1510
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,040
They're propaganda outfits, they're propaganda wings.

1511
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,080
So you have to go to both to both sides.

1512
01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:44,800
And, you know, and that's when we did a whole episode on one of our friends.

1513
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,160
My wife and I, as friends, sent us a book called The Case for Christ

1514
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:52,440
because they knew that I am an atheist and they wanted to bring me into God's

1515
01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:55,200
loving arms and save my eternal soul.

1516
01:12:55,200 --> 01:13:01,960
And I read that book because part of stoicism is you should always be reading

1517
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,040
and always be learning.

1518
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,960
But if you're only learning or reading the things that agree with your beliefs,

1519
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:08,440
you're not doing it the right way.

1520
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:13,520
So I read that book, but I found it to be and, you know, you can go, our listeners

1521
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,160
can go back and listen to that episode.

1522
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,440
I'm not going to rehash the whole thing here, but I found it to be so poorly

1523
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:22,280
researched that I found another book called The Case Against the Case for Christ

1524
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:26,480
by another New Testament scholar who basically took the same umbrage that I did

1525
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:31,960
with the researching of that book and refuted it chapter by chapter.

1526
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,960
So I read the chapter in The Case for Christ and then the chapter in The Case

1527
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,120
Against the Case for Christ.

1528
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,560
And I learned so much more about the Bible than I ever knew, just reading both

1529
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,640
of those things, both of them together.

1530
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:42,840
And I'm an atheist.

1531
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,080
Why do I care about learning about the Bible?

1532
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,760
Well, it's fascinating and it's not something I believe in, but I grew up

1533
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:50,120
trying to believe in it.

1534
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:50,880
You know what I mean?

1535
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,040
So it's very, very fascinating to me.

1536
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,600
And I think more people should do that.

1537
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:55,560
Go read something.

1538
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,120
You know, if you don't like Republicans, go read one of the new Republican books

1539
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,400
out there by one of the Republican people.

1540
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,440
And if you're a Republican and hate Democrats, go read the New Democrat book.

1541
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,360
I don't know, like branch out, think for yourself.

1542
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,120
You got to look at multiple sources.

1543
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:10,560
Right.

1544
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,560
The case or crisis, they just want you to worship a Jew.

1545
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:15,280
Yeah, but they hate Jews.

1546
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,160
Yeah, but he's a Jew that looks like he's from Scandinavia.

1547
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:19,640
So, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1548
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:19,960
Right.

1549
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:20,760
Yeah.

1550
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,880
Like everybody is like, you're my favorite white person.

1551
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,440
Jesus, excuse me.

1552
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:25,040
What?

1553
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaking about speaking about that.

1554
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:32,480
So that's like Christians have no problem with a white Jesus.

1555
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:37,320
But everybody's up in arms about the new Netflix documentary about Cleopatra,

1556
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:42,000
where she's shown as a full on black woman, which incidentally is not true

1557
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,920
because she was descended from Greeks.

1558
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:46,200
And that's why they're mad.

1559
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:51,720
Yeah, because they're they're effectively so liberals get mad for people

1560
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,200
whitewashing stories.

1561
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:58,840
And now the liberals are mad because they're blackwashing history, you know,

1562
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:00,240
and making Cleopatra black.

1563
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,600
The conservatives are mad because they're blackwashing.

1564
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:03,440
Oh, I see.

1565
01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:04,440
Oh, somebody's mad.

1566
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:05,000
I don't know.

1567
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:06,960
But it's also not history.

1568
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:07,280
Right.

1569
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,400
Like if Cleopatra is not black, then she's not black.

1570
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,920
You can in my mind, you can make the little mermaid black.

1571
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:19,000
And it's not a big deal because as far as I know, and I'm not a mermaid ologist.

1572
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,320
So don't quote me on this.

1573
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:21,640
But mermaids aren't real.

1574
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:27,720
So if they're black or white or orange or blue, it literally doesn't matter to the story.

1575
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,680
But if you're going in, it matters.

1576
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,960
Yeah, it matters to insecure people.

1577
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,720
I'm sure the story is going to be absolutely rubbish anyway,

1578
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,600
because most remakes are rubbish to begin with.

1579
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,520
So but it has nothing to do with the race of the actors.

1580
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:42,520
Right. Right.

1581
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,560
I mean, I take a controversial stance.

1582
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,360
All right. Hit us, Mike. Hit us.

1583
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:52,440
I think that it's fine to race swap mythical characters like Jesus or Santa Claus

1584
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:53,880
or the Little Mermaid.

1585
01:15:54,240 --> 01:16:00,160
But I'm less of a fan of race swapping real historical figures or telling stories

1586
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:04,200
in historical context and putting people in there that don't belong.

1587
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:09,520
So it kind of lessens the sting of racism in America

1588
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:14,360
when you put like a black queen in Scandinavia, circa 1200.

1589
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:15,360
You know what I mean?

1590
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:21,720
They get to tell realistic stories about the past if that's what you're planning on doing.

1591
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:27,240
But race swapping Santa Claus, who cares if Santa Claus is whatever.

1592
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:31,160
That's what every culture has their own version of Santa Claus, kind of.

1593
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:31,600
Right.

1594
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:36,280
I mean, isn't there one in Mexico that comes in like if you don't do the right thing,

1595
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,240
they like beat you or something like, I don't know.

1596
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,280
The Krampus. Yeah, the Krampus.

1597
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,000
Yeah. Like a lot of these mythical things like it doesn't matter.

1598
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,160
Yeah. I mean, a lot of these mythical things.

1599
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:51,560
And that's what I'm trying to say to Mike is like, it doesn't matter.

1600
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:57,360
I don't care if Ariel is black or, you know, like, I don't know why Aladdin would be white necessarily.

1601
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:01,200
Like, I don't think he would be white or Jasmine, you know, like in a lot of the

1602
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,000
in Aladdin, but maybe they were.

1603
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,600
I don't know. This mythical stuff, it's all make believe.

1604
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:06,400
But to put.

1605
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:10,400
Well, that and Jasmine being black would make a lot more sense than being white.

1606
01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:16,760
Yeah. But but yeah, but like making a race that she wasn't right.

1607
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,920
Go ahead. Are they doing that on purpose?

1608
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,280
Are they doing that on purpose for like equality or something?

1609
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:25,800
Is that what you do?

1610
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,760
Or any of like the changing the race of any character?

1611
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:35,360
Well, the change in the race of any any character is mostly to try and fit the modern society, which is fine.

1612
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:39,960
That's fine with me if it's a mythical thing, if it's a if it's a fictional thing.

1613
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:46,960
Like if you want to go back and retell Star Wars and have Luke be black, that doesn't that doesn't offend me at all.

1614
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:48,480
Other than the movies were great.

1615
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:52,720
And I don't know why I have to keep fucking around with them. George, special edition.

1616
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:54,680
I'm looking at you. Yeah.

1617
01:17:54,680 --> 01:18:02,000
I know that if I was going to sell Santa Claus to like middle of India, I would make Santa Claus Indian for sure.

1618
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:10,120
Yeah. If I was Coca-Cola and I was putting Santa Claus on cans in Colombia, I would make him probably a medium skinned Latino.

1619
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:14,000
And if I was selling Santa Claus in California, I'd make him a trans woman.

1620
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,440
I thought Santa Claus was a trans man.

1621
01:18:16,440 --> 01:18:18,960
Oh, there's a spin I didn't see coming.

1622
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:20,760
Yeah, I don't know.

1623
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:25,440
I mean, people people get all riled up about this kind of stuff.

1624
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:33,400
And that's the whole point is it's all it's all fluff because what's the what's the government doing when we're arguing about fictional characters?

1625
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:34,800
They're plotting their next thing.

1626
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:41,120
Exactly. How many billions are being stuffed into illegal bank accounts right now that we're not focusing on?

1627
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,480
Supposedly, Zelensky stole 400 million dollars out of the money that we sent to Ukraine.

1628
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:53,240
Well, we said it before on the podcast, the only country more corrupt than Ukraine is Russia by like one spot.

1629
01:18:53,480 --> 01:18:59,880
So they're on the very top of the corrupt countries list if you go look at that kind of research online.

1630
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,920
But we're sending them all this all these great weapons of war.

1631
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:04,640
So hooray for us.

1632
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:08,200
Well, who would thought that a guy named Voldemort would be corrupt and a baddie?

1633
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,840
Not me. That man was just misunderstood.

1634
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:18,920
Yep. Just misunderstood. We got totally siderelled on our sidetracked on that.

1635
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,920
Well, you know, I did ask what somehow I wanted to talk about.

1636
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:25,640
And he said anything.

1637
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:31,320
He's big into Judaism, of course, and Star Wars, of course, and, you know, politics.

1638
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,960
So we kind of covered all three of those topics.

1639
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,520
Sure. Did you guys did you guys hear about Clarence Thomas?

1640
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,520
Oh, his fancy trips. Oh, his fancy trips.

1641
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,520
You mean his constitutional right to fancy trips?

1642
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:54,080
Yes, yes, yes. His totally not corrupt bribes, multimillion dollar yearly trips.

1643
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:55,480
I don't have to report those.

1644
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:00,000
Oh, God, it's fucking awful.

1645
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:01,400
It's always been awful, though.

1646
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:03,520
We're just more aware of it now than ever.

1647
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,560
Well, we have to be because like the Internet's everywhere.

1648
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:06,200
Right.

1649
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,000
But not everybody uses it. And I've said this before.

1650
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:13,960
And one of my favorite things I've seen online is, hey, remember, you know, 30 years ago

1651
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:18,160
when we said, man, if only everybody could have equal access to the wealth of human

1652
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,560
knowledge, there wouldn't be idiots anymore.

1653
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:24,800
Well, turns out with the advent of cell phones and the Internet, that that's not the

1654
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:26,240
reason people are stupid.

1655
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,680
Just so you guys know, I am officially done with my cigar.

1656
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:30,840
It was a finger burner.

1657
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,400
Yep. Finger burn. My fingers are warm right now.

1658
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,000
I had to stick them somewhere cool.

1659
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:36,280
Wine reek.

1660
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:38,560
The stuff smelling them then.

1661
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:43,600
I don't know if this is taboo.

1662
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,560
I guess it's not taboo here.

1663
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:50,600
But is anybody familiar with the usage of psychedelics as like a therapy?

1664
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,400
I am somewhat familiar.

1665
01:20:52,440 --> 01:20:55,400
But the other day I met my friend's house a couple of weeks ago.

1666
01:20:55,440 --> 01:20:57,000
I met my friend's house.

1667
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,840
He's a Hasidic guy who grows them.

1668
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:04,000
And it was a Saturday night and we decided we're going to order pizza and watch

1669
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,640
Han Solo. He's never seen it.

1670
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:07,600
I've seen it many times.

1671
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:08,200
Yeah.

1672
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:12,240
And he goes to his garden and picks up these giant.

1673
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,640
I mean, I don't know how to measure the stuff.

1674
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,760
These two really big penis envy is what it's called.

1675
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:18,560
Okay.

1676
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:20,560
Boy, I was envious when I saw that.

1677
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,600
He comes into the room and he hands them both to me and says, if you eat these

1678
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:25,400
right now, you can have these.

1679
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:26,880
And first off, they're nasty.

1680
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:27,960
Yeah, it's not peer pressure.

1681
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,200
It's just your turn, right?

1682
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,760
Yeah. And I was like, I'm not going to say no.

1683
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,800
And I ate them and I got smacked by the cosmos.

1684
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:35,680
It was beautiful.

1685
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:39,240
I lost all sense of self-awareness, like really, like what do they call it?

1686
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:40,320
Ego death.

1687
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,040
I use the term in Hebrew, but it means ego death.

1688
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,560
I was all sense of self-awareness

1689
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:49,840
and I was like getting kind of worried, like, am I am I going to go crazy because

1690
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:53,120
of the when I came to like I would come to whatever, wondering if I was going to

1691
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,560
go crazy. Obviously, I didn't.

1692
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:56,960
Maybe I did. I don't know.

1693
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:01,120
But it was a very healing experience, to say the least.

1694
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:04,800
So I talked to my therapist about psychedelic use and he told me like all

1695
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,400
these like good things about it that he knows.

1696
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:11,320
Yeah. So I've always been interested psychedelics.

1697
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:12,320
Oh, go ahead, Nate.

1698
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,320
I was going to say, I've always been interested in kind of the the shroomage

1699
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:20,720
stuff because, you know, they can do a lot of things.

1700
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:25,040
But I was reading somewhere they had kind of like a scale where, you know, it

1701
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:29,240
ranged from like a mild kind of like buzz to what you said, like the ego death or

1702
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:32,880
the full complete loss of everything and, I don't know, floating out amongst the

1703
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:34,080
cosmos kind of thing.

1704
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:35,480
And I've always been a little like

1705
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:39,760
apprehensive of going to the deep end of that of that spectrum.

1706
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,040
But I don't know.

1707
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:42,920
I mean, I'd be down to try.

1708
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:44,760
I don't really enjoy mushrooms just in

1709
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,440
general, like on pizza and things because of the texture.

1710
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:50,720
But I've heard you can just put it in peanut butter and then everything is good.

1711
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:51,840
But I love peanut butter.

1712
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,480
So go ahead, Mike.

1713
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:55,880
I was going to say they used to use

1714
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:59,280
psychedelics in therapy and drug treatment.

1715
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,920
But of course, our government banned that

1716
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:05,640
despite the record of it being potentially useful.

1717
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:09,080
I don't know why all these drugs are banned and we have all these weapons of war

1718
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:10,480
that we're sending to Ukraine.

1719
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:15,480
Well, it's hard to have a person who wants to hate their enemy when they

1720
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,680
have their third eye opened occasionally.

1721
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:20,280
You know what I mean? Yeah.

1722
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,240
If you have three eyes, do you see that

1723
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,720
woman from Total Recall with Arnold and the three breasts?

1724
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:27,680
If you're watching the movie, I suppose.

1725
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:29,440
Is that a question for a different podcast?

1726
01:23:29,480 --> 01:23:30,800
I don't know.

1727
01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:35,120
Yeah, man, you can't have a whole population of people who feel brotherhood.

1728
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:36,000
We're happy.

1729
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:37,160
All the people of the earth.

1730
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:38,960
Yeah, I think we need more of that.

1731
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,320
And Mike and I have talked about this.

1732
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,120
Yeah. And I don't think you know this yet,

1733
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:47,560
but Mike and I have talked that we really feel that in America,

1734
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:52,600
America is so big and vast just in land, in land, your geography.

1735
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:54,360
Yeah, there I go with my big words again.

1736
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,040
America is big in the land.

1737
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,240
Elect me as your next president.

1738
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:01,960
But because it's such so huge geographically, we don't.

1739
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:08,000
And now everybody is so sectioned off in their little groups or cliques or

1740
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:13,080
political spectrum regions that we don't really have an underlying,

1741
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,560
uniting nationalism.

1742
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:19,920
And I don't mean the bad nationalism stuff, but we don't really have that.

1743
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,120
What would you how do you phrase it, Mike?

1744
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,480
Like the national consciousness or something? Yeah, we don't have a national

1745
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:30,880
consciousness. So not having the national consciousness is a huge detractor because

1746
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,600
I think it would fix a lot of our stuff because he couldn't.

1747
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:39,080
Right. And you were talking about this, too, somehow about the how can the Jewish

1748
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:45,160
population root for certain politicians when they're told to not trust politicians?

1749
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,760
But we don't have that social consciousness.

1750
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:51,480
And if we did, we would never elect any of these people that have been elected.

1751
01:24:51,480 --> 01:24:53,720
Right. That's for sure.

1752
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,520
That is for sure. Mushrooms are something people the first time

1753
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,440
person tries it should be kind of fun.

1754
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:02,680
I mean, I use it for more like I don't want to say spiritual things because that's

1755
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:06,840
using it as a cheat, but for more like therapeutic, I guess.

1756
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,040
Maybe that's an excuse.

1757
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,680
I mean, I do have fun when I'm on it, but it's like a reset.

1758
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:15,920
It might also get you closer spiritually, I mean, because that's who you are.

1759
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:17,200
Right, right.

1760
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:20,320
The idea is to reach spiritual high with one's own effort, though, like not

1761
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,720
necessarily use those things for spiritual eyes.

1762
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,800
I mean, you do get one regardless if you're looking for it or not.

1763
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:29,600
It's my experience, but but it was just so beautiful.

1764
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:32,560
Everybody I have a friend, he's a creating guy.

1765
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,560
He is a PhD in neuroscience and he's a data scientist.

1766
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:36,680
That's what he's doing.

1767
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:41,360
And he was asking he's he's a very intellectually curious Jewish guy.

1768
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,840
And he asked me, he said he thinks he wants to try shows.

1769
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,480
I mean, this guy buys Japanese Chinese teapots for no reason.

1770
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,000
So like, you know, he comes up with these endeavors.

1771
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,000
And so

1772
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,760
Corrine and I were telling him, yeah, you know, encouraging him.

1773
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:58,360
And we took care of his stepson and his daughter.

1774
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,080
So his wife could babysit him at this guy's house.

1775
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:05,720
And what my friend failed to tell me is that he had a PhD in neuroscience.

1776
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:09,600
And because of his knowledge of neuroscience, he gets super paranoid

1777
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:13,640
and anxious about things that he goes to the emergency room for like all the time.

1778
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:15,680
If he if something feels weird to him.

1779
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,080
So he had an awful he had an awful trip.

1780
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,800
So, you know, we're still waiting. I mean, his kids are fine.

1781
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:24,080
And then we get a call from his wife saying we're going to the ER.

1782
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:25,880
And I was like, what?

1783
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:27,800
Maybe. Yeah.

1784
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,720
We're like, he'll be fine.

1785
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:33,680
He's like, no, he insists, you know, his wife's American.

1786
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,840
So she took him to the ER.

1787
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,680
And I don't know whatever he was saying.

1788
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:39,760
And she wrote a note.

1789
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:44,000
She said, sorry, if my husband's an asshole and tripping balls, he took mushrooms.

1790
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:45,720
She added it to the guy.

1791
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,200
The guy was the guy was fine.

1792
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:52,560
But it's like the person who, like, tried to, like, brief him in it is really into,

1793
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:57,280
like, using it for, like, you know, ego death and, like, you know, all this stuff

1794
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:59,080
that you have to face and deal with.

1795
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:04,120
And that's kind of what made it what kind of thing made it a bad trip is because it

1796
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:07,360
was his first time and he's being told some serious stuff.

1797
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:11,000
Yeah. And then he tells you the other day, I think I should try it again.

1798
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:13,800
They said you should have told us about your underlying anxiety, dude.

1799
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:15,000
I don't know how to answer that.

1800
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,480
I would say yes, but I'm not.

1801
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:17,960
I would say probably not.

1802
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,280
Yeah, probably not.

1803
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:20,640
I mean, that's what I've heard.

1804
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:25,840
I mean, I've never done anything psychedelic like that, but I've always heard from

1805
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:30,680
people that have done it is that you have to go in with the right mindset.

1806
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:35,400
You know, you have to understand or you have to be in a safe what you would consider

1807
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:40,280
a safe place, you know, with people that you trust and maybe not a lot of, like,

1808
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:46,080
external stimuli, and then you can have a good trip. But, you know, I don't know.

1809
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:47,720
I've never done it. So I don't know for sure.

1810
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:52,360
I had one bad trip the first week I was away from home after my separation.

1811
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:53,880
I never had a bad trip before.

1812
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:58,520
So, like, you know, I was at that friend's house and I took mushrooms and I was just

1813
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:01,080
like, crying and it was just awful.

1814
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:02,160
Like, I thought I was fine.

1815
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:03,520
I felt like I was in a good space.

1816
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:04,560
I thought I'd close her.

1817
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:08,280
And then, like, I just had a bad trip and I didn't realize it.

1818
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:11,080
But obviously, like a week after a separation,

1819
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,120
I probably shouldn't have tried to take them.

1820
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,640
But I thought, oh, I need a reset from all this, you know?

1821
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:15,960
Yeah.

1822
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:17,280
I thought I was going to give me that.

1823
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:23,000
I have a friend, he's a rabbi that makes, like, edibles, like, for the Sabbath.

1824
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:24,440
We can't smoke on the Sabbath.

1825
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:26,200
So he makes them.

1826
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:31,120
He started making them for older Hasidic ladies that had problems and they needed it.

1827
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:33,800
And he wanted me to try it out because he wasn't a smoker.

1828
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:35,000
He didn't know the potency.

1829
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,200
And, you know, sometimes it was like too much.

1830
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:40,080
One sip was too much. Sometimes, like, whatever.

1831
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,040
Like, one sip was like a little bit.

1832
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:47,680
So last July, my friends, one of his sons got hit by a car and died.

1833
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:50,880
It was a whole community, like, very sad.

1834
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,920
And, you know, as a parent, just made it worse.

1835
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:58,040
And that following Friday, I hit up my friend and I was like, yo, dude,

1836
01:28:58,080 --> 01:28:59,040
can I get some of that oil?

1837
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:00,920
It was basically like olive oil or something.

1838
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:02,520
You can just drink it.

1839
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:03,600
I said, can I get some of that oil?

1840
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:04,640
Like, I really need some.

1841
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:08,320
After all this week, it's just, you know, and he gave me some.

1842
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:10,320
And I started to sip it.

1843
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:11,960
I just took a couple of sips.

1844
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:16,080
And right before, you know, we lit the Sabbath candles, you know,

1845
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:19,280
I took one last look at my phone and I saw like some news,

1846
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,920
like Jewish community news of somebody somewhere passing away.

1847
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:23,840
And I was like, oh, man, not another one.

1848
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:26,000
And I don't know why, but that gave me anxiety,

1849
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,520
probably because the edible, like, it really hit me.

1850
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,120
Yeah. And so I'm fine.

1851
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:32,520
I'm just feeling a little anxious.

1852
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,680
And I'm like, you know, Friday night we go to the synagogue and my son wanted to go

1853
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:39,080
with me. And of course, if you had a bad edible experience,

1854
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,640
you know that you judge yourself awfully.

1855
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:43,120
So I was like, I don't want to go.

1856
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:45,440
I'm going to be a bad father if I don't whatever.

1857
01:29:45,480 --> 01:29:51,080
So I go in the bedroom and I lay on my bed and my kids come in and say, you know,

1858
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:52,240
is Tati all right?

1859
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:57,720
And their mother said, and I was just stoned and feeling overwhelmed.

1860
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:02,360
But she had to say, Tati's just sad what happened to his friend's son.

1861
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:03,840
And that triggered me.

1862
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,520
And I just started like, I'm not a crier.

1863
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:08,040
I was crying.

1864
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:12,920
And we have basically Friday night and Saturday is like two days of Thanksgiving

1865
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:15,880
meal and you have guests. It's not like Thanksgiving food, but it's like pretty

1866
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,760
much a big thing. And I had guests over.

1867
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:20,360
I had guests over it.

1868
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:24,080
I could not stop being so emotional because I was high out of my mind.

1869
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:25,600
And I just played it off.

1870
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:29,000
Like, instead of saying like I had an edible, I just played it off as like, you know what?

1871
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:30,160
I mean, it is true.

1872
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:34,640
I was sad about what happened because she triggered, but, you know, it was just a

1873
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:35,960
terrible experience.

1874
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,400
I think most people have experiences like that.

1875
01:30:38,440 --> 01:30:43,680
As far as like people who are using substances, I've had bad experiences myself.

1876
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,280
So

1877
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:48,080
and it's usually triggered by something external, you know.

1878
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:49,840
Yeah, very much.

1879
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:53,840
And that's a drastically change all the topics, but I know Mike's done with his

1880
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:56,720
cigar and I just put mine out. How are you doing on yours?

1881
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:57,640
Oh, mine's done.

1882
01:30:57,680 --> 01:30:59,040
Oh, OK.

1883
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:00,680
I didn't know we had to announce that.

1884
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,520
Oh, yeah. Well, that's kind of the

1885
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:05,640
the format of the show is like we kind of go until the cigars are done.

1886
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:07,160
So,

1887
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,320
yes, we can do we can do final cigar thoughts.

1888
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:12,400
I think this has been a great conversation.

1889
01:31:12,440 --> 01:31:13,480
I thoroughly enjoyed it.

1890
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,640
I hope everyone else did as well.

1891
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:17,320
Yeah, it was great.

1892
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:20,320
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1893
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,360
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1894
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:28,120
If you know the website, team like T E A M Spirit Art House dot com at the website.

1895
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:31,000
Yeah, we'll put the link in the episode description here.

1896
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:34,200
Be sure to give them a follow, a check out, listen to them.

1897
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:39,040
And I've listened to some of their stuff and seen some of their other multimedia

1898
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:41,560
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1899
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:43,240
So give that a check out.

1900
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,040
This cigar was really, really, really good.

1901
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:47,600
I thoroughly enjoyed it.

1902
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:49,040
Yeah, it was definitely good.

1903
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:51,480
I'll get another one later.

1904
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:52,720
Yeah, I enjoyed it.

1905
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:54,520
Smoked it until my fingers got burnt.

1906
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:55,720
So, yeah.

1907
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:56,080
All right.

1908
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,960
Well, thank you, Simha, for being our guest.

1909
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,520
And we look forward to speaking with you in the future.

1910
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,680
And thanks for listening to Nice Ashes.

1911
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:06,320
All right. Yeah. Thank you very much.

1912
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:07,040
Take care.

1913
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:27,360
Be safe. Have fun.