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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Mike.

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And I'm Nate.

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What are we smoking today, Nate?

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We are continuing our CAO, I guess it's the country series.

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And this is the Brasilia.

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So we're kind of going in alphabetical order because we smoked the American last time.

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And this time it's the Brasilia.

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The wrapper is again loose on the top, but it was lower down.

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But I pulled it off anyway because it's one less thing to worry about later.

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See my wrapper is not tight, but it's firm.

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You know what I mean?

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I can move it if I wanted to.

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Yes.

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And first initial impressions with cutting it and moistening the tip.

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It's not spicy.

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It's not as dark.

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And there is no Connecticut highlight throughout.

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But I will be lighting up now.

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We probably should have said that the last one was a Robusto size.

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Oh yeah, this is the same size.

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And this is also a Robusto size.

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Yeah.

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We do a lot of Robustos on the channel.

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This one is not as tightly packed.

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It makes for a good length of episodes.

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Oh, go ahead, Nate.

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Yeah, this one's not as tightly packed as the last one, the American.

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Got a little bit more airflow through the stick.

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But yeah, Mike is right.

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We do a lot of Robustos.

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It's a good length.

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I like Robustos sizes.

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I think that it's a good length for a cigar.

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It's a personal preference.

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Everybody has them.

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I also like the Presidente size, which is massive, of course.

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But it all depends on your usage.

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I think the Robusto is the standard size for a smoke.

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In my mind.

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Not that it is.

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Just in my mind.

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If you get to a Toro or like a Gordo or something, or not Gordo, Toro, those are sizes.

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But you get to like six inches.

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Now you're pushing the length of a cigar.

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I don't have that much time.

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But we've had some good long ones and big ones and whatnot.

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This one's sweeter than the American.

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But it's not a Connecticut though.

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It's just a lot sweeter and lighter.

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I don't have that alcohol cigar flavor that we get on a lot of them.

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This is smooth.

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This is very smooth.

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For this episode, we decided, well, this will be a couple of weeks past, but the first episode

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of Mandalorian Season 3 came out and my wife and I watched that and it was only 37 minutes

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long so we decided to binge watch Obi-Wan Kenobi.

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I have not watched the Mandalorian Season 3 and I've only watched up to Episode 3 or

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4 of Kenobi.

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Kenobi.

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Okay.

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And so Kenobi is a mini series and there's, I think it's six episodes.

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And I had wanted to watch it.

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I know it didn't get very good reviews.

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I know Mike has no interest in watching the rest of it, but I thought it would be good

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to talk about our thoughts for the episodes that we've watched, that we both have watched

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and then I can talk about kind of my remaining thoughts on the whole series.

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Do you want me to start with my kind of initial thought of the show as a whole and then we

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can kind of dive into it?

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I think so.

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I think so.

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Okay.

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We're going to delve into Kenobi.

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I'm going to make a little aside for our listeners.

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We are trialing a new software to collect our audio and if there's any hiccups, we apologize,

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but hopefully not.

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So Kenobi takes place in between the prequel trilogy and the original trilogy and it is

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set 10 years after the end of Revenge of the Sith, right?

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Whatever the last prequel one was.

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And Obi-Wan Kenobi is living out his life on Tatooine guarding Luke Skywalker.

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And I guess my initial thought is that this series falls in the same realm as Solo, a

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Star Wars story movie did for me, where I don't really care.

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I didn't need to know how Han and Chewie met.

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I didn't need to know that he actually did the Kessel Run.

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He's supposed to be kind of a bravado, braggadocious, rascally character Han Solo that is.

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So I don't really need to know if he's being truthful or not.

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And likewise with what happened between the end of the prequels and the start of the original

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trilogy, I don't need to see Obi-Wan Kenobi whittling away his time in the sand dunes

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of Tatooine.

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So it's another one of those Disney Star Wars storylines that never needed to be made.

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I did not watch the film you just mentioned.

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What did you say?

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The Han Solo origin movie.

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I did not watch the Han Solo origin movie.

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Han Solo is supposed to be a unknown variable.

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The fact that he turns up to be...

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The whole point of his character is that he ends up being a badass, but he's an unknown

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variable.

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He's the mystery dice.

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That's kind of the point of Han Solo.

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Yeah, and the Han Solo movie was bad because it kind of did a character assassination on

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Han Solo by showing that he was telling the truth the whole time when he's supposed to

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be a rogue.

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He's supposed to be a brigand.

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Yes, so in that sense, Obi-Wan Kenobi is better than Solo, a Star Wars story, because it doesn't

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actually assassinate Obi-Wan Kenobi's character.

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It doesn't undo his character.

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He's very much Obi-Wan Kenobi in this.

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I disagree, but I only watched the third or fourth episode.

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Yeah, I mean, it still didn't need to happen.

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Is the point.

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They could have had a much better storyline.

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It starts out with him watching Luke, and then Leia gets kidnapped because the Inquisitors

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are trying to, surprise, surprise, track down Obi-Wan Kenobi, who's vanished off of the

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maps for 10 years.

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They found out that he was friends with Bail Organa, who now has a child, and so they steal

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her, kidnap her.

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Can we take a pause here?

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In the original series, Darth Vader did not know about Luke Skywalker or Princess Leia.

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So if these minions of the dark side were on the radar of these two kids, how is it

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that Princess Leia and Luke Skywalker weren't aware, at least, of Darth Vader?

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He's supposed to be the fucking biggest, most darkest guy ever.

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The most badassest person ever.

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And then, magically, he forgot about the fact that his minions were watching this girl.

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It's not in his tertiary experience at all.

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Well, so, let's just...

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Leia was very much aware of Darth Vader in the first movie, A New Hope.

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Leia was aware of Darth Vader, but Darth Vader was not aware of Leia as a Force user.

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Well, no, because she wasn't in the first one, and she wasn't until the sequel failed

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in the first movie.

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Ah, not according to Obi-Wan Kenobi series.

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Not according to Kenobi series, my friend.

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Well, how...

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There was one scene when they were interrogating the...

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Reva was trying to use the Vulcan mind meld, I'm sorry, the Force mind meld on Leia, and

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she was fighting her.

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And so that one should have been an instant trigger, but otherwise there was no acknowledgement

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that she even had the Force.

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Instant trigger means instant trigger, does it not?

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Well, yeah, but other than that, there wasn't.

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Other than that, instant trigger is instant trigger.

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I mean, come on, man.

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I know, I'm not trying to...

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I'm not...

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Okay, so I want to get into that, but not like right now.

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I want to get the overview.

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I'm sorry, I'm slamming your...

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I should be silent.

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I am so negative.

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Listen, I listened to all the Madsen stuff.

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I'm so negative in the context.

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I listened to all the Madsen stuff and I let you talk.

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Now let me have my moment in the spotlight.

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I'm so sorry.

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Everybody, everybody.

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I am so sorry.

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I have a very negative outlook and I will be silent.

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No, no, no.

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So yes, that was one of my big problems.

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I had a lot of big problems with it actually, but let's just say that by the writers setting

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this mini series in between two trilogies and after Clone Wars and Rebels, so you've

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already got stuff that's still in canon with the Disney Star Wars storyline and deciding

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to have Obi-Wan interact with Luke and with Leia and have both of those characters interact

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with Inquisitors that have armed lightsabers visible.

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And then you go to A New Hope and Luke is like, oh, T'at'u'wi'n's so boring, except

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for that time 10 years ago where I ran away from an Inquisitor across the Sand Dunes.

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But you know how they fixed that?

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And you wouldn't know until you see the last episode.

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They fixed Luke Skywalker not knowing anything about the Inquisitor chasing down, she actually

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showed up at Owen's farm and Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru went toe to toe with this Inquisitor.

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So not believable for one.

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And two, Luke saw kind of the whole thing and then he ran off into the Sand Dunes.

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And you know how they got around it?

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How?

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Okay, they had Luke trip and hit his head on a rock and he was then unconscious.

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So he forgot everything.

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That's my son.

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Yes.

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So that was me and it and you.

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Yes.

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My favorite character in all of Star Wars is Ahsoka.

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You know that.

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I know.

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We've talked about that before.

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I don't like any story that delegitimizes Ahsoka.

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I think Ahsoka should be propped up.

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I think she's wonderful.

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Great character in the franchise.

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And with this new modern bullshit they want to do, they could have focused on Ahsoka and

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had a positive outgrowth.

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But instead they did this.

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Yeah, they did this.

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And so here's, okay, I want to say how I would fix it, how I would have done it.

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This is, and so like, I'm going to tell you two different ways.

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Well, I'm going to tell you one way and then there's another way that could have been even

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better.

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But if they really wanted to focus on this era in Kenobi, in Kenobi's storyline and his

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life and whatever, that's fine.

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They should have given Ewan McGregor some more gray hair so that he would, you know,

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more in between his prequel trilogy and his original trilogy appearance.

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I know it wasn't Ewan McGregor in the original trilogy, but you know, do a little something

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with the gray hair, right?

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And they did something with Clone Wars.

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You know what I mean?

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They made them believable.

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And he was even in, well, whatever.

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And that's beside the point.

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But they end up, Leia and Obi-Wan, who never really needed to ever have met before, and

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they didn't meet in A New Hope.

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So it doesn't even matter because Leia could still have heard the war stories of how awesome

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Obi-Wan Kenobi was and still sent the message to him that he was their only hope.

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Based solely on stories, there'd be no reason for her to need to have personal experience

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with him to then reach out to him.

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So it's unnecessary.

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But because they chose to do this, they went through actually kind of like, and they made

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it kind of like the Underground Railroad for Jedi.

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Like they called it The Path.

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And Obi-Wan, there's a scene where Obi-Wan looks at like all the names carved on the

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wall because that's what super smart Jedi would do is carve their names on the wall

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of the hideout deep in Imperial compound that they were there, like proof that they were

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there.

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But he's like, oh yeah, Vos, Jedi Vos or whatever.

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Oh, he came through here.

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That was cool.

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And then they continued on with this bullshit with Leia.

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Well, if you want to focus on this time in Kenobi's life, have him go save Vos.

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They had this super lame Jedi show up on Tatooine of all places and then got himself hanged

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by the Inquisitors because he was a lame ass Jedi.

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Like why would he even go to Tatooine?

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Like he was a younger Jedi.

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He would have no reason to go there or anywhere for that matter.

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Like he would have been killed a long time ago because he's fucking stupid.

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He's got Inquisitors in the bar and he stops a knife with the Force.

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Like the fuck is his problem?

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You know what I mean?

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Well, this reads to me like somebody who read about train jumping and train jumpers, they

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put their mark on things and they jump trains, obviously.

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But outside of the individuals who are doing the train jumping, there's a network of people

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and those network of people are never known.

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They're just people that host them because they're nice and they're outside of it.

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These people heard about train jumping.

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They heard about train jumping and they want to make Obi-Wan Kenobi a train jumper instead

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of considering the fact that the person who hosts the train jumper never gets their name

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put on the side of a fucking rail car.

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You know what I mean?

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He is the man who's not there.

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They're trying to set up that there's other Jedi out there that might still be alive.

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So why not have Vos, who's in the prequels and I think in Clone Wars, briefly, he's like

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a minor character, right?

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He's not super important, but that's what made Clone Wars so good is they took all of

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these people that are background characters and added to their story.

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They're already there.

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You don't have to do mental gymnastics to try and-

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That's where Mandalorian gets its rope is that they add in the characters from Clone

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Wars or from whatever story, it's side stories.

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Yes, because it's done by-

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And Sarah doesn't understand, but I understand.

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But Mandalorian is done by Dave Filoni, who's responsible for Clone Wars and Rebels, and

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Jon Favreau, who I think produced some of that stuff.

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And they are Star Wars scholars.

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They will watch the footage and the background details and find the names and they will add

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to these characters' background stories.

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And for Clone Wars, Filoni had to do all of this gymnastics.

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He pulled it off with a perfect landing to keep Anakin and Grievous from seeing each

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other for like five seasons of Clone Wars, because the first time they ever met was in

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the movies.

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Great, and it worked out well.

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So they knew that they could never have-

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And Clone Wars is a masterpiece.

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And they stuck the landing.

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They stuck the landing, right?

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But you have somebody who just decides, hey, it'd be fun to see Obi-Wan Kenobi and Leia

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do something together.

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Well, one, I didn't like the actress who played Leia.

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She was fine, but she kind of was like the star of the show.

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And Reva was fine.

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The star of the show who's like a fucking 10-year-old.

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Yeah.

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And Reva, I thought I was going to have a bigger problem with Reva, but I actually didn't

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have a problem with Reva.

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I was out of just generalness, but I thought it was going to be kind of like the whole

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message thing being rammed down our throats, but it didn't feel that way.

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She definitely failed a lot and got whooped up on a lot.

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So I didn't really feel like that.

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And you were never really rooting for her.

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They did make her sympathetic at the end, kind of.

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But I never understood why Reva was even there, to be honest with you.

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I know, but I'm not going to sit here and tell you.

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I cut out at episode three or four.

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Yeah.

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And I'm not going to tell you that Reva is my favorite Star Wars character.

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She's not.

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She's not an overly interesting character.

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I expected to hate her more, and I actually found her tolerable, decent.

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Like a decent character in a modern storytelling kind of way.

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Not a great character, not any of that stuff.

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But they could have had Obi-Wan Kenobi get a distress signal from Jedi Vos, right?

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Or even Ahsoka, and they could have gone and done their thing.

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They still could have had the Darth Vader battles, right?

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But that was the thing that I liked about the Kenobi series is so it's six episodes

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and they're anywhere from like 40 minutes to an hour long each.

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I would have cut it down to maybe three episodes and I would have solely focused on Obi-Wan

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and his guilt for what happened with Anakin.

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And so when he found out Vader was alive, that was a cool moment.

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And when they had their final fight, that was a cool moment.

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And Obi-Wan Kenobi kind of got the closure that he should have had earlier, but he had

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guilt about it.

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And that was fine.

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I enjoy kind of those mental examination pieces if they're done well.

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But this one, I guess they felt like we also had to have Leia and Luke in there for whatever

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reason, even though these people shouldn't really be knowing about each other.

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So that's what I would have done.

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I would have done something different.

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Go and find another Jedi that's still out there.

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Go talk to Filoni and Favreau and say, hey, are you going to bring this Jedi into your

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Mandalorian because it'd be a great tie in or hey, you already have Ahsoka.

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We have an Ahsoka cast.

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We have an Ahsoka show coming up.

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Why not have her make an appearance here?

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Because that's way less problematic than having any of the Skywalker kids involved.

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My arms are wide open right now.

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My arms are wide open.

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They have a ton of lore between Kohn Wars and Rebels and even the Bad Batch.

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We have all this stuff.

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Use existing characters, create new ones when you have to.

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There's no reason to shit on anybody or make anybody look bad.

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I thought that they made Obi-Wan Kenobi look bad.

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They made him look bad in the first three or four episodes because he was so guilt-stricken

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he couldn't access the Force, I guess.

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Which I only made it three or four episodes.

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I know.

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Full disclosure.

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And that's fine, but it should have been a one-episode thing, right?

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Like, oh, I feel guilty, blah, blah, blah.

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Vader's here.

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Oh yeah, he's a huge dick.

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And yeah, I guess it wasn't all me.

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Obi-Wan Kenobi is supposed to be the rape monster.

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You know what I mean?

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He's supposed to be the most baddest man you've ever met in your entire life, but he's good.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I guess he's kind of like...

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I mean, I get it.

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He's in kind of a self-imposed but self-chosen exile watching a kid grow up in a fucking

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desert planet, right?

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Well, in the context of Star Wars lore, we have Anakin and Obi-Wan training Ahsoka, which

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I'm going to focus on Ahsoka because she's my favorite character.

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She becomes Fulcrum.

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They do all that shit with the rebels, you know, behind the scenes.

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Obi-Wan should not be weak at any point.

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He should be sharp as a tack the whole time.

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The whole point of Obi-Wan is he's sharp as a tack.

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He's just so cautious because it's been so long and he's been reading so long independently

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that it's too late for Luke.

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You know what I mean?

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He was too late for Luke.

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If he would have been a little more aggressive with Luke, he could have got ahead of the

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Empire.

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He was too late.

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So he was sharp.

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He was sharp coming in.

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Oh yeah.

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He wasn't a sloppy loser coming in.

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They make him look like a sloppy loser and Luke is there.

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So now he's dealing with this Luke guy that's interacting with the Empire.

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And then we get to the first movie and he's a sloppy or he's late to the game.

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If he dealt with all this shit with Luke, he should have been sharp from the start and

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not have been late.

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You know what I mean?

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He should have been ahead.

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Yeah, but I know.

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I know.

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And I'm saying this series has little to do with Luke and the whole Luke thing where their

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out was, well, he fell and he bumped his head.

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And so now he still thinks Setuin is boring and nothing happens here, even though he was

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running for his life from one of the spinny red lightsaber things.

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Obi-Wan did it and Obi-Wan was fucking late to the game.

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Obi-Wan was late to the game in the original movie.

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Yeah, Luke had to go find him.

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Right.

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If Obi-Wan was already aware, like this show said, he should have been grooming him for

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the role.

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Yeah.

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And that's why they shouldn't have had the Inquisitor show up on Tatooine and they shouldn't

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have fucked with that.

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They should have had Obi-Wan Kenobi take a distress call from Ahsoka or from the Jedi

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Vos and then he should have left Tatooine to go help them.

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Had nothing to do with Leia or Luke and he still could have battled Vader.

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Right?

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Because they still could have had Leia, but no Luke.

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Luke should not have been involved at all.

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No, exactly.

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The whole idea of Luke is that he's fresh.

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He's clean.

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He has no...

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Well, yeah.

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And they shouldn't have done anything with Leia either in my opinion, because it's not

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needed your shoehorning things in that don't even need to be there.

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And it could have been a completely separate side story.

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So you wouldn't have any conflict with anything.

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Obi-Wan's there.

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He's watching Luke.

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He gets a little beep, beep, beep on his thing.

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Oh my God.

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One of my old Jedi friends are in trouble.

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And if you really want to go with the Obi-Wan Kenobi has all this guilt over Anakin turning

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to the dark side, then why doesn't he have all this guilt over Ahsoka being excommunicated

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from the Jedi Order because of how they treated her in the Clone Wars?

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So if you want to double down on the guilt, have it be Ahsoka for fuck's sake and have

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them mend their bridges.

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And then he can feel okay about the Vader thing because Ahsoka has already faced Vader

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as Vader.

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And the scene where Obi-Wan Kenobi in the final fight with Obi-Wan Kenobi and Vader

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was really good.

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And I liked it and I liked their interactions.

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But Obi-Wan Kenobi cuts off half of Vader's mask, just like Ahsoka did.

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And they had an interaction and it was great in both, I thought.

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But why not have it be Ahsoka?

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And Ahsoka could be there or Ahsoka could have saved Ahsoka and then Vader shows up

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and Ahsoka just escapes.

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And then you can have the final fight with Vader and Obi-Wan and he can get his final

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closure.

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He goes back to Tatooine and says, fuck, I don't want Luke to end up like that guy.

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I'm going to play this cautious and then leave it at that.

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Right?

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But they didn't do a good job at this series of bridging the gap between I'm watching Luke

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every day to I'm just an aloof, eccentric old man out in a rock hut.

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You know what I mean?

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Like they didn't bridge that gap at all.

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And they should have at least laid the groundwork for that.

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They had some banter between Uncle Owen and Obi-Wan where Owen was like, you got to leave

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him alone.

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And at the end, Obi-Wan is like, yeah, all he needs is you.

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But that's super bullshit because obviously all he needs is not them as the rest of the

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movies prove.

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But that's a super lame cop out way.

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And that's what I felt is they had the potential for some great moments and they had some good

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scenes, but they chose the cop out every time.

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Dude, I felt that they had a set up.

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You mentioned Ahsoka several times.

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They have a set up.

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I had to to keep your interest.

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You told me at the beginning, you only care about Ahsoka.

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So I'm just going to name her.

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I really do only care about Ahsoka.

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I think she is the best Star Wars character, but a lot of these bullshit tie ins they did

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are because they wrote Ahsoka out of the story, which is a lie.

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Right?

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Like a lot of the Star Wars lore involves Ahsoka and it's not a part of the movie series,

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but this is a good example for them to tie her in to get them to get into Clone Wars

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and to get into the backstory because a lot of-

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Especially when you have a fucking hit show, the only good Star Wars in the last, I don't

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know, whenever the last prequel movie came out or after Rebels was done has been The

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Mandalorian.

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That's like the only-

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Right.

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And Rogue One.

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Rogue One is good.

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And I hear Andor is good, but I haven't said it yet.

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I haven't watched it.

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I'm not sure if I've watched Rogue One.

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I'm not sure.

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But Rogue One is good.

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I'm not sure.

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But they take the side characters and focus on that.

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Right?

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Okay.

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Vader's there at the very end, but it ties right into the very start of A New Hope.

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So-

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Okay.

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But Rogue One, just for anyone who doesn't know, because we're kind of like nerding out

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hardcore on the Star Wars stuff this episode, Rogue One is the story of the team that got

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the Death Star plans for the Rebels in A New Hope.

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So at the end-

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Sure.

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That doesn't need to have Ahsoka.

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That does not need to have Ahsoka.

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No, no.

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I know, man.

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But they did a good job because they invented these characters for the sole purpose.

482
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:19,560
And spoiler alert, everybody dies at the end of Rogue One because in A New Hope, remember

483
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:24,520
Mothma or whatever her name is, Mon Grand whatever the fuck?

484
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,520
Sorry about-

485
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,520
Yeah.

486
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,520
I don't know what her name is.

487
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,520
Grandma Terken or whatever.

488
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:29,520
No, no.

489
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,520
The woman.

490
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,880
She's in the white robes and she's like, hey, a lot of people died to get this.

491
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,400
Well, you know they all fucking died, right?

492
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,720
Like it was such a somber, like a lot of people died for this.

493
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,940
Like you just knew whoever got the data died.

494
00:29:42,940 --> 00:29:46,840
So you just knew going into Rogue One that all the characters are going to be dead.

495
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:52,400
So there was no, there was never ever going to be any kind of weird crossover bullshit

496
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,440
that they had to like write around, you know, because this is a side story that takes place

497
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,480
before the first movie with people that all die.

498
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,720
So they had leeway and that was good.

499
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,500
You don't have to shoehorn everything in, but you have a hit show.

500
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:10,500
Everybody loves Mandalorian.

501
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:13,200
Even if they're not Star Wars fans, they love Grogu.

502
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,040
They love baby Yoda.

503
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,040
Why not?

504
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,080
And Ahsoka makes an appearance in Mandalorian and it was great.

505
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,080
Rightly so.

506
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,080
Rightly so.

507
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,080
Best character in Star Wars.

508
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:29,520
And why wouldn't you and Ahsoka and Obi-Wan Kenobi have a huge history together and Leia

509
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,280
and Obi-Wan Kenobi have no history together.

510
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:38,880
So why wouldn't you take Ahsoka so you could tie this in more closely to the Mandalorian,

511
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:44,640
which everybody loves, and Obi-Wan, which everybody loves, and put those two together.

512
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,920
And Clone Wars, which everybody loves.

513
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,920
Yeah.

514
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,120
And put those two together in real life, live action.

515
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,080
Put those two together.

516
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:58,600
And why you chose to go with a bratty 10 year old Leia instead of Ahsoka is mind boggling.

517
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:04,800
And why you chose to go with Luke, whose character doesn't even say, I think he has one sentence

518
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:10,640
on screen, but to have him be such a huge part of the series just by the fact that he's

519
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,360
fucking there, but you keep showing him, but you know you can't actually interact with

520
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,800
him because otherwise the rest of the movies don't make sense.

521
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:26,600
So that's again, Ahsoka is my favorite character.

522
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,040
She's also the most disrespect character of all time.

523
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,440
I don't understand why they don't lean on her more.

524
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,440
Yeah.

525
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,360
And I'm pathetic.

526
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:44,920
I watched the first four episodes and I could not understand why they went the way they

527
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:45,920
did.

528
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,600
There's no reason for a Leia to be there at all.

529
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:55,840
A Leia could literally not be there and the story would be the same story.

530
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,840
Luke could be there.

531
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:57,840
Well, that's what I mean.

532
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:03,000
You could remove Luke and remove Leia, the same fucking story could happen.

533
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,560
It's irrelevant to either character.

534
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,560
It's pointless.

535
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,600
Here's the other thing I thought was weird.

536
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:16,280
Now, doesn't Bale Organa and his wife have a previous child?

537
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,720
I thought they had their own child and they always talked about it.

538
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,240
The first child was Leia, they had a second child.

539
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:29,520
The story from my understanding is that the first child was Leia, the second child was

540
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,360
Nashelborn.

541
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,440
I wasn't sure about that, but I thought for sure.

542
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,360
But at age 10, she would have had another sibling, but they didn't in the movie.

543
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,800
I think at age 10, she would have another sibling.

544
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,120
They're just kind of blatantly disregarding some of the lore.

545
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,240
Well, I mean, but that's the kind of stuff that like, what I'm saying is like Dave Filoni

546
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,480
and Jon Favreau would not have overlooked that detail.

547
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,040
We're getting spicy as far as that.

548
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,040
I just...

549
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,040
I need to be spicy.

550
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,040
They cut Ahsoka out of the fucking story again.

551
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,040
You know what I mean?

552
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,040
They cut her out again.

553
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,040
They cut her out again.

554
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,040
All right.

555
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:11,000
So let's say this, and you made a great point.

556
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,800
You could cut out either Skywalker child.

557
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:21,440
The only reason Leia was there, this is the only sole reason, is everybody knows Obi-Wan

558
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:29,280
Kenobi is on Tatooine until Luke comes to him in A New Hope and then they leave.

559
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,280
That's his mission.

560
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:37,440
No, the point of the story, the original story was that nobody knew that Obi-Wan was there.

561
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,640
That's the whole point of the original fucking story.

562
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:40,640
No, no, man.

563
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,640
I know, I know.

564
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,720
I'm just explaining the audience, like everybody in the audience knows Obi-Wan is there.

565
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,960
He told them at the end of Revenge of the Sith or whatever.

566
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:58,360
The whole point of Fulcrum is to prevent Tatooine becoming discovered by the fucking Empire.

567
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,960
Dude, man.

568
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:05,240
The whole point of the story is that we all need to save Luke.

569
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,520
You're getting fucking salty on me and I want to finish my train of thought here.

570
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,520
I'm sorry, bro.

571
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,520
I have to get salty.

572
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,520
I have to get salty.

573
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,520
They disrespected my Ahsoka.

574
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,120
They disrespected my Ahsoka.

575
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,920
Give me three minutes.

576
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,000
Give me three minutes.

577
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Give me three minutes, man.

578
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,760
Let me just get this thought out and then we'll go back to Ahsoka.

579
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:27,760
We're fighting.

580
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,720
We're fighting very hard right now.

581
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:32,480
Also I'm halfway through.

582
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,480
Very good.

583
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

584
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,120
Me too.

585
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,120
Very sweet.

586
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,640
I'm getting sweet vibes.

587
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,320
Yeah, very sweet.

588
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,040
Not overly sweet, but...

589
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,040
It's sweet and dark and sweet.

590
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:51,320
I mean, it's a lot sweeter than the rapper would lead you to believe, but it is, I wouldn't

591
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,840
say it's a light cigar by any stretch.

592
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,680
No, it's a dark cigar, but it's sweet and good.

593
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:08,600
All right, let me finish my thought here, my friend, and then we'll go back and cry

594
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,000
all the war crimes they've committed against us.

595
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,360
One is I agree with you 100%.

596
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:21,040
Neither of the Skywalker children had to be involved in this six episode mini-series.

597
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:31,080
The audiences know that Obi-Wan has self-exiled to Tatooine to protect Luke, and we know this

598
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,760
even just watching the original trilogy, even though it's not explicitly stated he was there

599
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:41,520
to watch over Luke, but why else would a Jedi Master be where Luke is?

600
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,520
You know what I mean?

601
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,480
He was there to train Luke.

602
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,680
I know.

603
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,080
Everybody knows, the audience knows.

604
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,200
I am reinforcing my brother.

605
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,960
I am reinforcing my brother.

606
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,160
I'm just saying I just want to get this thought out, and then we can go into everything else.

607
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,160
Sorry, I'm sorry.

608
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,160
Go ahead, go ahead.

609
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,160
I will stop.

610
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,160
I will stop.

611
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,160
I'm so mad.

612
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,160
I know, I know.

613
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,440
The only time this riled up is when his snow blower broke.

614
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:13,640
Anyway, the only reason Leia is involved at all is because the writers, in order to make

615
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:21,360
all of this Vader stuff happen, needed a way to get Obi-Wan Kenobi off of Tatooine.

616
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:27,960
And even though at the end of the prequel trilogy, he says he's going to sit there and watch

617
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:35,720
Luke on backwater Tatooine, and he's there in a new hope, doesn't mean he was there every

618
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:37,120
day.

619
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,400
You know what I mean?

620
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:44,600
And even this series wants us to believe that whatever reason that got him off Tatooine

621
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,240
is good enough to get him off of Tatooine and not keep a watchful eye over Luke.

622
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:54,520
But Luke is like the son of a moisture farmer that nobody really gives a fuck about because

623
00:36:54,520 --> 00:37:00,080
it's Tatooine and Vader doesn't like it because I don't like sand.

624
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,320
So Leia was just, what's a way to get Obi-Wan off of Tatooine?

625
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,120
Oh, hey, you know what?

626
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,920
Leia, Leia's still out there.

627
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:14,840
And we could get her involved and then Ben and Leia could have some screen time together,

628
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,440
which they never got.

629
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,680
And that would be cool, except it sucks dick.

630
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:25,880
It's a bad reason to get Obi-Wan off of Tatooine and a better reason is Ahsoka or literally

631
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:31,800
any other Jedi that was in the original trilogy, I mean, the prequel trilogy that needed help.

632
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:37,280
Like they've already established other Jedi have gotten out through this path thing.

633
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:43,200
So that's a better story angle than Leia, other than Leia as a main character.

634
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:49,600
And then they did all that Mary Poppins bullshit in the sequel trilogy stuff with her and whatever.

635
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:57,360
But like it's a bad, it's a lazy writer way to get Obi-Wan off of Tatooine.

636
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,920
And you can see it.

637
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,720
You can see it's lazy because it makes no sense.

638
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,480
Like it's dumb.

639
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,700
Like Bail Organa is a powerful senator who managed to hide his alliance to the Jedi because

640
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:14,080
Vader certainly knows about Bail Organa.

641
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,640
The Empire knows about Bail Organa.

642
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,440
He's on the fucking Senate.

643
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,400
Like if they thought he was a rebel sympathizer, they would have just killed him.

644
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,320
But he's powerful.

645
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,000
So you know, he's got his other means like Obi-Wan doesn't have to be the one to fly

646
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,400
all the fucking way across the galaxy to save Leia.

647
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,120
You would have certainly known about the monitoring before that event.

648
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:42,880
It's so obviously a trap, which he even said.

649
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,800
You would not allow a child to fall into that.

650
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:46,800
It's so stupid.

651
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:53,520
All right, let's talk a minute for how dumb her running through the forest and the red

652
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,200
hot chili peppers chasing her was.

653
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:02,920
Like she leapt through like a fork in a tree that was surrounded by zero shrubs.

654
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,560
And then this grown ass man is trying to go through the same like fork in the tree when

655
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,120
he could have just gone around the fucking tree.

656
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,800
Like it was bad.

657
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:11,800
It was not good.

658
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,920
It was like.

659
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,680
Every adult knows it's stupid.

660
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,480
I mean, it just looks dumb.

661
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,760
It looks fucking dumb.

662
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:28,320
It's offensive when you consider the original and the ladybug droid she had was dumb.

663
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,240
Oh, the floating.

664
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:36,440
I like the floating droid, but you have to use it better than that.

665
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,440
You know what I mean?

666
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,960
Like, well, it's a little lady.

667
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,040
It looks like a little kid's toy thing.

668
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,200
Like they wanted to sell that like, hey, let's market this.

669
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,880
And then you get back into Ewok territory and it's like, well, okay.

670
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,120
I'm okay with the floating droid.

671
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,240
Just you can't be so stupid.

672
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:54,240
Yeah.

673
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:55,240
So stupid.

674
00:39:55,240 --> 00:40:02,000
And I think, and I guess what I get so upset about outside of the Ahsoka thing, obviously,

675
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,020
is they brought Hayden Christensen out of retirement.

676
00:40:05,020 --> 00:40:07,800
They got Ewan McGregor back.

677
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,500
Even the composer came out of retirement to do the Obi-Wan theme because he never did

678
00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:14,480
the theme for Obi-Wan ever.

679
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,300
And you could have, you had this golden opportunity where they're all here and they're all ready

680
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:20,800
to do this.

681
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:27,920
And you've got the, you've got Rosair Dawson who plays Ahsoka in the Mandalorian and in

682
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,720
her own show coming up soon.

683
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:33,280
And you have all these people here and they're alive and they're committed and willing to

684
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,520
do this.

685
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,800
And you go with a Luke and Leia subplot that makes no sense.

686
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:43,640
And you have to do all this weird writing gymnastics to make anything make sense beyond

687
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:44,640
it.

688
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,740
And it's like, why did you, are you that dumb that you wanted to make everything so hard

689
00:40:47,740 --> 00:40:48,740
on yourself?

690
00:40:48,740 --> 00:40:51,440
You could have just picked, you could have literally picked anything.

691
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,200
Obi-Wan himself was kidnapped by people who didn't even know he was a Jedi and he has

692
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,200
to fight his way out.

693
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,400
Like, that's a better storyline than he has to go rescue Leia.

694
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,520
Dude, it's a lowest common denominator.

695
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,720
It's a lowest common denominator.

696
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:09,840
They had every single buzzword involved with no thought.

697
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,080
It was the dumbest shit I've ever fucking seen.

698
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,080
It was terrible.

699
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,080
Terrible.

700
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,040
Well, it's not the dumbest shit that I've ever seen.

701
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:25,520
Like I said, there were some moments that I enjoyed, but by and large it was very tedious.

702
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,920
And the only reason we kind of kept watching is I wanted to see how they were going to

703
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:36,520
kind of do their, their gymnastic writing to keep Luke from having any excitement on

704
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,520
Tatooine.

705
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,440
And it was a head injury.

706
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,520
So that was kind of, that was super dumb.

707
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:44,520
Really dumb.

708
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,520
Dude, that's so dumb.

709
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,720
How was that even a thing?

710
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,000
That's so dumb.

711
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,000
I know.

712
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Really?

713
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,480
And it's the same thing with the sequels because you had Carrie Fisher alive and you

714
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:04,760
could have done literally anything but what you did.

715
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,040
And now it's dumb and now it's done and that's it.

716
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,040
It's dumb and done.

717
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,040
And there you go.

718
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:18,080
Well, we had to have, you know, Jurassic Park lady be very aggressive and we can't take

719
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,080
that back.

720
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,080
Yeah.

721
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,080
You know what I mean?

722
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:26,280
Well, and you know what's weird to me is a lot of these franchises, right?

723
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:33,720
Marvel and Terminator and even James Bond all want to have a strong female character

724
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:36,240
and you have one in Ahsoka.

725
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:40,600
Like you fucking have one who has a brilliant backstory.

726
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,600
You're talking to my soul, Nate.

727
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:43,600
You're talking to my soul.

728
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:44,600
I know, man.

729
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:45,600
I know.

730
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,080
We talk about this outside of the podcast many times.

731
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,080
I know.

732
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,080
I know.

733
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,080
But you have one.

734
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,080
You have that character.

735
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,440
She's there.

736
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,680
She's an open book beyond the end of Clone Wars.

737
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,680
And the brief appearance of-

738
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:02,800
She's an established character who is respected by everybody who is a fan.

739
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,440
You can do anything you want.

740
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:05,440
She is-

741
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,440
Well, that's what I mean.

742
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:07,440
Like she's an open book after-

743
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,440
She's fucking Volker.

744
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,440
You can do anything you want.

745
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,440
I know.

746
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:16,960
But after Clone Wars, like there's no story in canon written for her.

747
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,720
So it's an open book.

748
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,680
Like you have carte blanche.

749
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:26,560
She could go and go to a Tatooine and grab Obi-Wan Kenobi and go on an adventure and

750
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,200
fight Vader and come back and drop him off and say, hey, thanks.

751
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,200
It was fun.

752
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,200
We should do this again sometime.

753
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,000
And then that's your miniseries.

754
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,440
Like, hey, fucking awesome.

755
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,440
Everybody's fucking happy.

756
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,920
They're doing a new series on Ahsoka.

757
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:40,920
Maybe that'll be the new-

758
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:41,920
I know they are.

759
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,920
It has Rosario Dawson.

760
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,600
She is a wonderful actress.

761
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:46,880
She's got a lot of talent.

762
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:47,880
So-

763
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:48,880
I know, but here's the deal.

764
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:49,880
We're going to get it all.

765
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:50,880
We're going to get it all, bro.

766
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:51,880
No.

767
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:52,880
No.

768
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:53,880
I don't know, man.

769
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:54,880
We're going to get it all right now.

770
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,480
We're going to get it all right now.

771
00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:59,520
Yes.

772
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:07,680
The Obi-Wan Kenobi series has given me very little hope for the Ahsoka series, but I need

773
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,560
to see who's behind the Ahsoka series.

774
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:14,400
Because if it's Filoni, then it will be Golden.

775
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:20,280
And if it's anybody else, it is a 100% roll of the dice.

776
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:25,720
The Ahsoka series should not be dependent on anybody other than Ahsoka.

777
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:30,320
And Ahsoka is a wonderful character who has her own life.

778
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:36,720
And it's the best character that Star Wars ever created.

779
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:38,720
And I agree with that 100%.

780
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:41,120
Well, I mean, that's fine.

781
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,760
Because the best character they ever created.

782
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,440
That's a circle-ological thing.

783
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,800
And I know that's circle-logic, but I don't give a fuck.

784
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:51,800
Yeah.

785
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,360
I know, but check this out.

786
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,920
Ahsoka is a great character with a great backstory.

787
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:02,640
Somebody could take that and fuck everything up like they did with Obi-Wan.

788
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,360
That's perversion against humanity.

789
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:12,320
Any dumb fuck that Kathleen Kennedy wants to hire to do Ahsoka can do whatever the fuck

790
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,460
they want.

791
00:45:13,460 --> 00:45:20,920
So that's why I'm saying, if it's not Dave Filoni, who's involved in some aspect of

792
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,280
Ahsoka, it is a 100% roll of the dice.

793
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,400
Are we going to get a good Ahsoka?

794
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,640
Are we going to get an Ahsoka that we hate?

795
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:33,400
Are we going to get something that tarnishes her legend and then somebody else takes her

796
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,400
place?

797
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:40,880
I've already established on this episode and between you and I, that Ahsoka is my favorite

798
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,800
Star Wars character and she will have a good series.

799
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:45,800
Okay.

800
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:51,320
Speak the dream and it will come true.

801
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,520
Speak it and it will become true.

802
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,880
So final thoughts on Kenobi.

803
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,480
Was it trash?

804
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:11,520
I mean, obviously, but it was not as trash as Solo and...

805
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,520
Never watched Solo either.

806
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:13,520
Is that something to watch?

807
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,520
No.

808
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:22,280
I had two inches on my cigar left, so we have tons of time.

809
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,280
I know.

810
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,280
We got tons of time.

811
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:29,960
I'm trying to look up who's responsible for Ahsoka and it just says in development.

812
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,320
It doesn't tell me.

813
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,400
I don't want you to put Ahsoka in a negative light, man.

814
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:36,880
I am so...

815
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,480
Ahsoka is the best Star Wars character for sure.

816
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:41,800
Oh my God.

817
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:48,680
I am running interference.

818
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,240
Look man, I agree with you.

819
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:53,080
I'm saying I want her in capable hands.

820
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,760
I don't want her in some fucktwit's hands.

821
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,960
What is your favorite Star Wars character?

822
00:46:58,960 --> 00:46:59,960
Ahsoka.

823
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:01,840
I already told you that.

824
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:02,840
Really?

825
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:03,840
You too?

826
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,160
God, how is it we're both Ahsoka?

827
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,560
How are we both Ahsoka fans?

828
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,560
Because she's the best.

829
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,720
I like a lot of the characters in Star Wars.

830
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:20,040
I think the handling of her and her story arc was brilliantly done.

831
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,840
And it's the same kind of thing.

832
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:28,680
They gave Anakin a Padawan in the Clone Wars, but he couldn't have the Padawan in the movies

833
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,720
because she doesn't make an appearance in the movies.

834
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:35,320
And so they had to do something and they chose not the easy road.

835
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,840
They didn't choose the easy road.

836
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,160
They chose the hard road and it paid off for them.

837
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,160
And now she's back in Mandalorian.

838
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,880
Ah, Anakin and Obi-Wan.

839
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,720
To bring it back, it was Anakin and Obi-Wan.

840
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:49,960
They both had the same Padawan.

841
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,680
But Anakin take most of the work.

842
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:58,240
Yeah, and Anakin and Ahsoka spent the most time together.

843
00:47:58,240 --> 00:47:59,240
In the Clone Wars.

844
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:00,240
They did.

845
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:01,240
They did.

846
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:06,200
So, you know, and I'm just saying, but they did it brilliantly and it was great writing

847
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:12,160
and the character was great and her story arc was great and the fucked up shit that

848
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,160
happened to her.

849
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,880
I mean, it's a dick, but it was great writing.

850
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:16,880
Yeah, it was great writing.

851
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,000
You know what I mean?

852
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:24,120
And so you've got this character that's tormented and on neither the dark nor light side.

853
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,160
And so something you can explore because it's a middle ground character kind of, right?

854
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,760
And you could do so much with it.

855
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:31,760
And she's the fulcrum.

856
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,800
She is the fulcrum.

857
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:39,960
And they chose, I know, and they chose Leia and Luke over Ahsoka for the mini-series.

858
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:40,960
So stupid.

859
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:41,960
Fucking dumb.

860
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,680
And it's dumb.

861
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,360
And you know, like I said, there's some good moments, but overall it's dumb.

862
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,800
It's a dumb mini-series.

863
00:48:51,800 --> 00:49:01,760
I liked the Hayden Christensen and Obi-Wan scenes more so when Hayden was Darth.

864
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:07,560
They did some digitally age reduced kind of bullshit that was supposedly taking place

865
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:12,400
during the prequel trilogy, like some trainings they did and some dialogue that never actually

866
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,400
happened in the movies.

867
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,920
And I wish they would have used deleted scenes or something, but those probably didn't exist

868
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,440
because why would they?

869
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,840
And so some of that stuff was really good and I enjoyed, I hated the first Darth Vader

870
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,000
and Obi-Wan fight because it was dumb and lame.

871
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:34,960
And Obi-Wan was like a very weak infantile man in that and just getting force fucked

872
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,920
by Vader.

873
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:42,320
And they also had Vader do some really crazy force things.

874
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,840
And they had the Inquisitor and Inquisitors are only supposed to be force sensitive.

875
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,120
They're not supposed to be full on force users.

876
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:53,560
But they had the Reva do a force mind meld where you can read people's minds with the

877
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:54,560
force.

878
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,240
And that was dumb because that would have fucking come in handy in A New Hope when Vader

879
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:03,840
was right there and had Leia and no, let's send her down to the torture droid when I

880
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,040
could just force read her mind.

881
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:12,120
So they had to make her be able to repel the force mind probe.

882
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:17,000
But then Vader never tried to force mind probe her in A New Hope because obviously that's

883
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,320
a bullshit thing.

884
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:23,960
Reva had to be much more important than she should have been.

885
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:24,960
Yeah.

886
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:30,440
And then Vader stopped a whole freighter from taking off.

887
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:35,200
It was fully powered engines and he just force fucked it down to the ground.

888
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:43,040
And he's supposed to have a fair fight with Obi-Wan ever.

889
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,560
Why would he ever have a fair fight with anybody?

890
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,320
He would just force fuck everybody, wouldn't he?

891
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:48,320
Right.

892
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,680
Vader is supposed to be the strongest guy ever.

893
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,760
Well, and that's fine, but like...

894
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,760
Other than Luke, right?

895
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:56,760
Other than Luke?

896
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:02,160
Yeah, but if he's able to force fuck everybody, why doesn't he just force fuck everybody?

897
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,600
Why does he spend so much time like dicking around with his lightsaber?

898
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:06,600
Right.

899
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,240
He should be able to slam bam, thank you man.

900
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:16,080
Yeah, if he applied the same amount of force that he did to that freighter taking off out

901
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:21,280
of the hangar bay that actually drove it back to the ground and like smushed it into the

902
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,280
ground a little bit.

903
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,640
Like if you do that to a human, they're dead.

904
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:26,640
That's it.

905
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:27,640
Game over.

906
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,920
Why are you fucking around with your lightsaber?

907
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,680
There's no reason.

908
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,760
Like why doesn't Emperor Palpatine carry a lightsaber?

909
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,560
Because he fucking forced lightnings everybody.

910
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:36,920
Jesus Christ.

911
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:37,920
You know what I mean?

912
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:38,920
Right.

913
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,520
Like he doesn't need the lightsaber to fight anybody, he lightenings them.

914
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,440
That's his whole thing.

915
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,460
But Vader has to fuck around with the lightsaber and now you're giving him these crazy powers

916
00:51:48,460 --> 00:51:51,800
in this mini-series that he doesn't exhibit anywhere else ever?

917
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,000
Like, come on.

918
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,200
I know Ahsoka.

919
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,200
Where is Ahsoka?

920
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,620
Well, that's the biggest point.

921
00:51:58,620 --> 00:52:00,400
The biggest point of contention.

922
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,600
It is, really.

923
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:10,440
Anyway, I'm hoping that the Ahsoka series is good and written by people who actually

924
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:11,440
know how to write.

925
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,560
I just hope that it's somebody who actually knows how to write a decent story.

926
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,440
Oh, you know, the modern Star Wars is just trash.

927
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,760
It's trash.

928
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:27,240
If they fuck over Ahsoka, Mike will march with a sign to wherever-

929
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:29,240
I'm not a fan.

930
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:34,000
Yeah, and you know what, and we've talked about this on the show, is most modern writing

931
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,880
absolutely sucks.

932
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:41,320
It's the dumbest shit anybody's ever seen.

933
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,080
Modern is relative too, you know.

934
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,440
I mean, Clone Wars is just not that old.

935
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,440
Ten years.

936
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:48,440
Yeah, yeah.

937
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,440
Ten years ago.

938
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,440
I mean, you know, the last...

939
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,560
Yeah, 2000 what?

940
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:56,560
Did it end in 15?

941
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:57,560
2015?

942
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:58,560
13?

943
00:52:58,560 --> 00:52:59,560
Something like that.

944
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:00,560
Something like that.

945
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:08,760
But like most modern writing within the past, I don't know, eight, five years, is absolute

946
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:09,760
trash.

947
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,000
Like overall, the writing has gotten so bad in a lot of things.

948
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,520
I mean, there's still standouts, things that have good writing, but they're the exception.

949
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,840
They're not the rule anymore.

950
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,320
There's always been bad stuff out there, but not your classics.

951
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:29,760
I mean, sure, there's been some James Bond movies that have been absolute dogs, but you're

952
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:34,480
not really going to James Bond for really good writing, you know?

953
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,440
Yeah, it's fast action.

954
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:44,880
The negative reaction to the last James Bond movie was disturbing because it was a way

955
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:45,880
overreaction.

956
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:46,880
I thought it was fine.

957
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:53,040
I thought it was well within the lexicon of James Bond.

958
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,640
It was fine.

959
00:53:54,640 --> 00:54:00,080
Yeah, I mean, I guess I thought it was fine.

960
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:07,920
And I know Daniel Craig was kind of done doing them, but they could have pulled a On Her

961
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,640
Majesty's Secret Service at the end of that one.

962
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,880
You know, because I don't know if you've seen On Her Majesty's Secret Service where he gets

963
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:22,000
married, Bond gets married, and then his wife gets shot on their wedding day by Spectre

964
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,000
of all people.

965
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,000
I've seen it, yeah.

966
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,640
I've watched Spectre, and I watched the second one.

967
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,400
Well, no, I mean, Spectre is the organization.

968
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:30,960
But she was killed by Spectre.

969
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,480
I watched Spectre the movie, and I watched...

970
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:35,480
I know.

971
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,320
I was trying to clarify for our listeners.

972
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:43,800
But I didn't love the fact that Bond died at the end because he's never died at the

973
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,800
end of any movie.

974
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:52,080
But then you sit and think, well, they did kind of like with Daniel Craig's first Bond

975
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,760
movie, they did kind of like a reboot, which I don't like reboots either.

976
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:03,520
And so is the Daniel Craig thing kind of his own mini movie series?

977
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,600
And then they're going to go back to just, here's a new actor playing Bond, here's a

978
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,920
new actor playing Bond, but it's the same Bond, and they don't die, and whatever.

979
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,120
And so, I mean, it just kind of felt kind of weird.

980
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:14,120
I don't know that...

981
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,840
They made it weird on purpose in a lot of ways.

982
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,880
They wanted it to be mysterious, you know?

983
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:20,880
I respect that.

984
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:27,040
I know, I mean, I wasn't outraged by it, but it was definitely a way different vibe.

985
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,600
And I liked some of the Daniel Craig stuff.

986
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,120
And by and large, I don't know.

987
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:35,120
I don't know.

988
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:41,080
I mean, I like the grittier Bond and less like jokey round Bond, but there was some

989
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:47,100
good stuff in the original movie run of Bond where they had some more touching moments

990
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:48,900
and more stuff like that.

991
00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:51,840
And a lot of it was kind of hokey, but a different era, too.

992
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,640
I want the Bond movies to be more close to the books.

993
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:04,520
And the books were very negative, dark, human-side.

994
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,560
People are pieces of shit.

995
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,720
And that's how people really are.

996
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:13,200
I mean, I'm dark and unpleasant.

997
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:19,160
I don't want to tell you all that, but I'm not the nicest person.

998
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:24,880
And Nate, I'm sure, is just sun and, you know, bright.

999
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:35,240
But the James Bond books were like hard drinking, gambling, fucking, and destruction.

1000
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:38,560
Yeah, they're quite a bit different in tone.

1001
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:45,200
Oh, the tone is like dirty, dark, destruction.

1002
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,200
Bad.

1003
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,880
You know what I mean?

1004
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:48,880
It's bad.

1005
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:49,880
Yeah.

1006
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,520
It's not all fun and sunshine.

1007
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:57,000
And I'd be cool with that, you know, if they want to take it to that direction.

1008
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,800
But they're not.

1009
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,920
They're hopefully they do, but they're probably not.

1010
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,480
I mean, who knows what they're going to do.

1011
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:06,480
I don't know.

1012
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:11,760
I'm kind of burned out on all these franchises nowadays.

1013
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:16,120
We talked about this a little bit with the Marvel Universe because we watched all the

1014
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:20,480
Spider-Man movies and we talked about those and stuff on the podcast here.

1015
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:26,480
But it's kind of, I mean, it's almost getting to be exhausting, all these franchises.

1016
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,520
And that's nonsense.

1017
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:36,080
Well, I'd imagine as a writer, like it's got to be very confining and laborious because

1018
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,640
if you have good movies leading up to the movie and the franchise you're doing, there's

1019
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:40,640
a lot of pressure.

1020
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,240
And if you fuck it up, you kind of ruin the whole franchise.

1021
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:50,960
And if you go like the full on route of Obi-Wan Kenobi or the sequel trilogy and you absolutely

1022
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:55,480
fuck all the characters and make them unlikable to the point where you're like, I don't even

1023
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,960
know if I like the original trilogy anymore.

1024
00:57:58,960 --> 00:57:59,960
I didn't say that.

1025
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:04,880
But, you know, you could definitely do wreck some damage on these characters and kind of

1026
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,000
tank the whole series and tank the whole franchise.

1027
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,000
They did though.

1028
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,280
They did though, because like I say, I'm an Ahsoka fan.

1029
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:19,080
The fact that she wasn't a part of it, I was out.

1030
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:20,080
I was out.

1031
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,080
I was totally out.

1032
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,080
Yeah.

1033
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,080
Yeah.

1034
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,200
You know, so I'm kind of like franchised out, you know, so whatever they do with James Bond.

1035
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,520
And we talked about Doctor Who and I quit watching Doctor Who and I used to watch Doctor

1036
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,240
Who all the time.

1037
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,880
And I just lost interest because I don't fear anymore.

1038
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,400
And my house, we're watching Doctor Who again.

1039
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:41,400
Yeah.

1040
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,240
Did we talk about Lord of the Rings?

1041
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:45,240
Yeah.

1042
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,680
I mean, I haven't seen Rings of Power.

1043
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,720
I'm kind of franchised out, but.

1044
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:55,560
I haven't watched Rings of Power, but I got my Sarah to listen to the original Lord of

1045
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:02,080
the Rings and she was offended by how they treated the hobbits.

1046
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,640
She was really pissed off.

1047
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:05,640
In the books.

1048
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:06,640
In the movies.

1049
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:13,480
Like, so you listen to the original books and she was so pissed off about how they treated

1050
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,080
the hobbits in the movies.

1051
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:21,720
Because in the books, the hobbits are critical actors.

1052
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,360
These guys are smart.

1053
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,920
They're wise people in the realm.

1054
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:35,800
And then they enter the larger world where all these wise people exist.

1055
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:40,360
But in the movies, the hobbits are fools.

1056
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,120
But they're not fools in the books.

1057
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:44,120
You know what I mean?

1058
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,000
Like, there are no fools.

1059
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,160
There are no fools in the books.

1060
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,840
Every individual actor is a smart character.

1061
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,920
There is no fool.

1062
00:59:53,920 --> 01:00:01,240
And she was so pissed off because the hobbits were all smart and she was like, God damn

1063
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:02,240
it.

1064
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:07,160
Every single hobbit and every single person was a smart person.

1065
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:13,720
They were just not necessarily correct.

1066
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:20,280
And now the Rings of Power, I don't know what they're doing, but I mean, it's not treating

1067
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,280
everybody with respect.

1068
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,840
Well, that's the thing, right?

1069
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,120
In most literature, like Dune, you're reading Dune.

1070
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:31,120
I'm reading Dune.

1071
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,600
I'm almost done.

1072
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,800
And then we'll talk about Dune on a future episode.

1073
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,480
Yeah, we'll talk about Dune on a future episode.

1074
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,040
Every person is respectful.

1075
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,320
There's no fool.

1076
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,640
Everybody is a smart actor.

1077
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:49,240
I mean, there's some fools, but they don't usually last too long, if you know what I

1078
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:50,240
mean.

1079
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:56,120
I think most series and most, whether it's books or film or whatever, you have your fool

1080
01:00:56,120 --> 01:01:01,920
characters and they're there to kind of accentuate how smart everyone else is.

1081
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:02,920
And so-

1082
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,280
Well, Lord of the Rings does not have a fool character.

1083
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:07,920
That's the point.

1084
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:08,920
There are no fools.

1085
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,800
There are no fools.

1086
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,200
Everybody's smart.

1087
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,240
Some are more intelligent than others.

1088
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,600
Well, I said most.

1089
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:23,640
I mean, most series have little bit characters that aren't a main character.

1090
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:30,120
And if they have them and they have these fool characters, they don't last very long

1091
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:35,320
and they're really only there to kind of prove a point about how smart everybody else is.

1092
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,760
Not in like a beat it over your head kind of way, but you know what I mean?

1093
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,480
In movies, that's true.

1094
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,280
In novels, I don't think so.

1095
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:43,640
Yeah, I don't know.

1096
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:50,360
I don't know modern novels, but I'm doing a lot of old school, like in a Victorian novel,

1097
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,240
there is no fool.

1098
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:58,120
Everybody's intelligent actors, but some are less intelligent than others.

1099
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:59,520
You know what I mean?

1100
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:05,040
I mean, I would say that in Slaughterhouse Five, which we talked about, Billy Pilgrim

1101
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,680
is kind of a fool.

1102
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,320
I don't think he is.

1103
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:12,520
I don't think he's a fool.

1104
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:19,120
I think he is just living his life in a weird world, man.

1105
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,120
Well, yeah.

1106
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:21,760
He's not a fool.

1107
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,840
He's just experiencing shit.

1108
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:30,120
He doesn't really like make dumb, dumb decisions, but he's not shown to be smarter than anyone

1109
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,120
else.

1110
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:32,120
He's not brilliant.

1111
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:33,120
He's not dumb though.

1112
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:34,120
You know what I mean?

1113
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:35,120
No, he's not dumb.

1114
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:40,680
I mean, I guess it kind of depends on your definition of fool, but I don't know.

1115
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:46,360
I mean, there's definitely novels out there and some novels, the protagonist is the fool

1116
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,480
that you cheer for.

1117
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,320
You know what I mean?

1118
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:58,080
I really enjoyed the Lord of the Rings movies despite some of the liberties they took.

1119
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:03,120
Like I say, my Sarah was so mad.

1120
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,120
So mad.

1121
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:13,920
But I mean, that's the thing too is you don't necessarily always have to, but going from

1122
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:19,920
one medium to the other, you have to do certain things to make it work with the other medium.

1123
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:21,520
Oh, for sure.

1124
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,400
You have to make allowances.

1125
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:25,680
Yeah.

1126
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:31,400
And all the choices that everybody makes aren't always the best or what they should have done,

1127
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,720
but a lot of times it works out just fine.

1128
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,960
Like I think it did in Lord of the Rings.

1129
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,840
I think they did a great job with that.

1130
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:39,840
I agree.

1131
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:40,840
I agree.

1132
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:46,320
Not a huge fan of the Hobbit stuff, but there was other extenuating circumstances as well,

1133
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:50,720
but that they took a lot more liberties with and it kind of bit them in the butt.

1134
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:58,320
Oh, Lord of the Rings movies are probably the greatest franchise we know in our time.

1135
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,600
In the modern era.

1136
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:06,800
Yeah, in the modern era, that's gold standard, right?

1137
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,520
So you can be as critical as you want.

1138
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:10,520
Yeah.

1139
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:12,520
Yeah, it's not the books.

1140
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,720
It's not the best.

1141
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,560
It's not the book and it's the best we've ever had.

1142
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,320
I mean, it's fucking phenomenal.

1143
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:30,960
So that my criticism is in context of the greatest movie that's ever been made.

1144
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,520
You know what I mean?

1145
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:42,080
I'm still sucking on my cigar and I have an inch and a half left and I'm still going.

1146
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,440
I think it's wonderful.

1147
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:45,440
Same with me.

1148
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:46,440
I think it's good.

1149
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:50,400
I picked up the pace a little bit, so I got to kind of slow down because I had done a

1150
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:55,840
little more talking because I was getting a little combative with your constant Ahsoka

1151
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:56,840
is awesome.

1152
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,840
Dude, Ahsoka is awesome though.

1153
01:04:58,840 --> 01:04:59,840
That's the thing.

1154
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,840
I was just trying to make a point.

1155
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:03,840
What the fuck?

1156
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:04,840
I know you're trying to make a point, bro.

1157
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:05,840
I know.

1158
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,040
And I'm with you because any other storyline than the one they chose would have made a

1159
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,360
lot more sense and been a better story.

1160
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,560
So I don't know why they did what they did other than they're lazy and they wanted to

1161
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,520
shoehorn everything in.

1162
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,280
They had other options.

1163
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,040
That's what I'm trying to say.

1164
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:24,040
It's so lazy.

1165
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:25,040
I know they did.

1166
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:26,040
I know, man.

1167
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:27,040
So lazy.

1168
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:33,840
They had real good characters to bring everything into context.

1169
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,120
They had a whole wealth of characters.

1170
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:40,240
They had a plethora of everything.

1171
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,440
It was nonsense.

1172
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,720
You and I know Ahsoka was the right choice.

1173
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:48,240
However, they also had any number of characters they wanted to invent.

1174
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:53,320
They could have invented anybody and it would have been better than Leia and Luke.

1175
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:54,320
Yeah.

1176
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:55,320
Oh, absolutely.

1177
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:56,320
Yeah.

1178
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:02,640
Ahsoka should have been there, but if not Ahsoka, then not Leia and Luke.

1179
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:03,640
You know what I mean?

1180
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:08,920
The last, the absolute last choice should have been Leia and Luke.

1181
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,160
That should have been the absolute last choice.

1182
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,400
They should have gone to the writing room and said, look, if you fuckers can't think

1183
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:20,040
of anything better than Leia and Luke, that is our absolute last option.

1184
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:21,040
Last option.

1185
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:22,040
We have to get this thing made.

1186
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:23,200
That's our last option.

1187
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,560
So please come up with anything other than that.

1188
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:26,560
Yeah.

1189
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:27,560
It was dead last.

1190
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,320
That would have been my pitch to the writers.

1191
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:33,720
It's like, listen, last option, absolute last option.

1192
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:34,880
I do not want to go with this.

1193
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,600
I don't want to see this.

1194
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,120
Luke and Leia, do not do it.

1195
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:44,240
There are thousands of books in the Star Wars universe.

1196
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,040
They could have picked any one of those stories.

1197
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:48,520
Instead, they picked Leia and Luke.

1198
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,960
Yeah, or any combination of those stories.

1199
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:56,640
They could have put anything out there and they put the worst possible thing.

1200
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:57,920
He could have, you know what?

1201
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:03,200
Obi-Wan could have gone to save the Rancor beast that then came into play in Return of

1202
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:04,920
the Jedi.

1203
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,600
And that would have been better than Luke and Leia.

1204
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:12,240
My dudes, for that one person who's still listening.

1205
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:21,880
My local bookstore has a whole shelf eight feet tall just on Star Wars books.

1206
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:26,260
Any one of those stories could have sufficed.

1207
01:07:26,260 --> 01:07:33,280
My local bookstore, my local bookstore that is a shitty bookstore in the middle of nowhere

1208
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:39,240
in the north has an eight foot tall section of Star Wars books.

1209
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,560
They could have put any one of those stories.

1210
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,160
And you know what?

1211
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:49,080
That AI chat bot thing could have written a better story than Luke and Leia.

1212
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,200
Oh, for sure.

1213
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:52,200
For sure.

1214
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,840
The part, like I say, it makes me so fucking mad.

1215
01:07:55,840 --> 01:08:02,120
There's an eight foot tall bookshelf in my local shitty town with stories on it.

1216
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,640
Pick one of them.

1217
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:05,920
Not the one you did.

1218
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,640
It's so stupid.

1219
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:11,720
Pick one of those books, pay the royalty rights and go to town.

1220
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,200
Like have fun.

1221
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:17,800
So literally anything would have been better.

1222
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,800
Is that our end conclusion?

1223
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:25,080
Anything would have been better than what they did.

1224
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,740
Anything would have been better than what they did, but it was still somehow better

1225
01:08:27,740 --> 01:08:30,320
than Solo, a Star Wars story.

1226
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,600
Never watched either one of them.

1227
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:34,600
I know.

1228
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,040
I'm not saying it's better by much.

1229
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:42,600
I'm just saying it's slightly better than the Han Solo standalone film.

1230
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:49,720
Did they cut Ahsoka out of everything that they're doing other than the new Ahsoka story?

1231
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,160
That's what the writers say.

1232
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,160
When somebody brings up Ahsoka, they're like, who?

1233
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,160
Really?

1234
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:55,160
Is that what they're doing?

1235
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:56,160
No, I don't know.

1236
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,320
Well, I don't know if they're purposely doing it.

1237
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:04,880
I think, and I don't know, I heard somewhere that Ahsoka was Dave Filoni's creation, so

1238
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,760
he has creative control over her character, which I hope is true.

1239
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:13,440
So he's probably not allowing a lot of people to use her, which is fucking smart on his

1240
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:20,360
part because if they can tear down Han Solo and Luke Skywalker and Leia and all these

1241
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:25,000
other people that we've loved, if the writers can tear down all of these people, keep Ahsoka

1242
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:29,240
close to your vest, Dave, and give us good Ahsoka stories.

1243
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:30,240
That's interesting.

1244
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:34,880
Ahsoka was not popular right away.

1245
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:39,960
She became popular over the course of her storyline.

1246
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:40,960
Yeah.

1247
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,800
Where like during Clone Wars, she was not a popular character.

1248
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:45,800
They hated her.

1249
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:46,800
People hated her.

1250
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:53,240
And then she grew into being a popular character, which is how you create characters.

1251
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:54,400
Yes.

1252
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:55,640
Right?

1253
01:09:55,640 --> 01:10:01,840
You make a character that has a lot of salt and then you develop and develop and develop.

1254
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:02,840
Yeah.

1255
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,160
And I would say Luke Skywalker is not a very likable character in the first movie because

1256
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,640
he's a whiny little brat.

1257
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:08,640
Yeah.

1258
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,440
Luke Skywalker sucks.

1259
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:17,080
Han Solo is a great character in the original trilogy, but he definitely makes some choices

1260
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:21,820
that you're like, I would like him more if he would have just agreed to go with them

1261
01:10:21,820 --> 01:10:25,880
at the get go to assault the Death Star, but he comes in at the end and saves it.

1262
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:30,960
So Luke Skywalker is supposed to be a scumbag, right?

1263
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,760
In the original cut, he kills the guy, right?

1264
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:35,760
Yeah.

1265
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,960
Han Solo, you mean?

1266
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:38,960
Yeah.

1267
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,000
Han Solo is a murderer for sure.

1268
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,000
Yeah.

1269
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,920
And a gambler and all that stuff.

1270
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,720
Smuggler, cheat, all those things.

1271
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:50,720
Right.

1272
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:56,680
I don't know anything about gambling and cheating.

1273
01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:01,480
Me either.

1274
01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:08,880
So anyway, I think that's the end is Ahsoka's great, you know, if there ever comes out a

1275
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:13,800
fan edit of the Obi-Wan series where they cut out all the Luke and Leia stuff, then

1276
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,520
it's probably worth a watch.

1277
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:20,640
Otherwise you can safely skip it along with the Han Solo standalone.

1278
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,800
I would recommend Rogue One if you haven't seen that.

1279
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:24,800
I have not.

1280
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,840
Most everything else is rubbish.

1281
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:31,760
So Ahsoka is the best character that exists.

1282
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:37,280
Yes, but we are not an Ahsoka podcast or a cigar podcast.

1283
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:41,400
So I like the cigar, but I think I like the American better.

1284
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:42,400
Really?

1285
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,720
I think so.

1286
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,400
I don't know.

1287
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,000
I'm not going to miss one.

1288
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,560
I think it's pretty good.

1289
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:56,200
I don't think the American was bad, but the American got a bit sour at the tip.

1290
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:57,200
Okay.

1291
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:02,440
This one's getting a little like, but I did smoke it kind of fast to catch up because

1292
01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:07,160
you must've been like hate puffing when you were doing all these other stuff.

1293
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:08,160
Yeah.

1294
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,480
I had what I had left.

1295
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:16,640
And I was not, so I kind of smoked a little faster, so mine's a little bit on the sour

1296
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:17,640
side.

1297
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:18,640
So, I don't know.

1298
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:22,160
I mean, they're both, they were both good.

1299
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,720
I wouldn't say no to either one of them.

1300
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:34,560
I think I would say that if you're in a cigar shop and you saw it, the Basilia and the Americano

1301
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,480
is definitely the way to go.

1302
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:38,840
I mean, these are good cigars.

1303
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:39,840
Buy them.

1304
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:46,840
I would say these are both winners, which is a surprise for me to say, even though I

1305
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:54,640
know CAO is a reputable brand, but after the flavors, I was a little apprehensive and leery.

1306
01:12:54,640 --> 01:13:01,520
So, these are both great cigars and I'd recommend both of them.

1307
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:02,520
Be safe.

1308
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:03,520
Have fun.

1309
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:10,280
Have a great week.