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Welcome to Night Sashes, I'm Mike.

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And I'm Nate.

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What are we smoking today, Nate?

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We are smoking the CAO Flathead 554.

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Yes.

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I am a big fan of the Flatheads.

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I've never smoked this model.

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I like the 660s a lot, which we smoked on the show earlier.

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Boxpress, Maduro, all those wonderful things that I enjoy in cigar.

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And I generally like the CAOs, even though they're not all winners.

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When they're good, they're good and you can get them for pretty cheap most of the time.

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While I'm outside, my lighter absolutely hates the cold.

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It doesn't matter how much fuel is in there.

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I don't think.

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It just absolutely hates it.

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I don't know if that's common in lighters or not.

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The Bix definitely don't like the cold.

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I don't know about torches.

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Yeah, if I hold it in my hand and warm it up a bit, then it's fine.

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So anyway, initial impressions, good.

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I was expecting something good because we like the other Flathead so much.

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Right.

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Oh, yeah.

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So far, it's been very good.

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Good light, good draw, all the things you'd expect.

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Yes.

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Good quality cigar.

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So what are we going to talk about?

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Indeed.

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Well, I did a lot of research for this episode.

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I'll have everybody know I haven't done this much research since our last open enrollment

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for our medical plan at work.

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And that's the season, I'm guessing.

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That is correct.

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For me as well.

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Does your employer pay you to do your enrollment?

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No.

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Well, I mean, we do the enrollment on work time, if that's what you mean.

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Right.

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That's what I meant.

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That's what I meant.

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Mine does as well.

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So our topic tonight, because it is, what, a week after Halloween?

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Something like that.

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Something like that.

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So when this airs, it will no longer be a week after Halloween, but it is fresh in our

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minds as podcast hosts.

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So I thought we would talk a little etymology, and we're going to go through some words.

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And Mike and I are going to let you know if that word that is being requested by certain

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people to fade out of common usage.

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If the word is racist or if it's linguistic tyranny that they're asking that this word

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be removed.

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Okay.

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And we're going to make a little bit of a game show out of it, kind of.

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Am I a contestant?

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We're all contestants in the game of life, Mike.

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Sounds good.

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I'm going to be Burt Reynolds in the SNL skit.

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All right, I'll have everybody know that I am just now starting a vodka tonic.

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And I guess the other disclaimer is if you do not want to hear two white dudes that are

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straight, talk about words that progressive people may or may not want out of the lexicon.

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This episode might not be for you.

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But if you don't mind that we potentially say some things that certain people might

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think is racist, then step right up and listen to this shit.

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I think it's appropriate in a way, right?

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Because we're the targets.

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We're the ones that want to convince that we need to change our ways.

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I'm guessing.

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Most of the time.

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You know, some of them.

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There's going to be some surprises in here.

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I mean, I went through this list of words.

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So just to preface, I went I had a personal story.

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I was not being accused of being racist, but I had a personal story where a friend was

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over and they said, you know, and we'll get into this a little bit more later in detail.

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I don't want to give anything away at the start of the show here.

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But they were saying that a very common word was racist.

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And I was like, no, you've got to be crazy.

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So I looked it up and turns out that, you know, and that's what kind of got this thing

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going is looking up the origin of these terms and if they were rooted in racist past or

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if they were terms that had been co-opted by racist people.

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So and certainly there are words that if used a certain way are racist and if used a certain

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different way, they're not racist.

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So but that was kind of the jumpstart into this topic because I thought who better to

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tell us if a word is racist or not than Mike.

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Mike the notorious racist.

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I am not a notorious racist for anybody who does not know that.

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From the great hinterlands.

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From the great hinterlands.

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Yes.

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The Western.

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I grew, I lived in the Western regions where all the racists live.

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Which is not to be confused by the nether regions.

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All right.

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So as one can imagine trying to research this topic, there are a whole slew of websites

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that have a very either progressive liberal slant where everybody is evil or a very conservative

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slant where they want to take our fun words away.

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So it took a little bit of digging but I found a nice article or a nice-ish article from

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CBC.ca which is out of Canada and I believe it's the Canadian broadcast company or something.

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I didn't bother looking up too much about the website other than I saw it was from Canada

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and that it seemed to be written without an overt slant one way or the other.

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It simply put up the words and said why you might want to consider not using them instead

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of trying to make you feel like an evil person for even reading this article.

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Yeah, the CBC is their state-funded news.

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So the first word here and this is the one that kicked off the whole thing so I figured

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let's start with it.

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Since Halloween just happened that word is spooky.

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I have heard that term used to cover up certain things.

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Okay, well.

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I have heard that term used in a way that is potentially racist.

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We are going to get into that but what launched this all off was there's an orchestra that

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had a like a spooky concert series and they decided and they came out and made a big like

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public news release about it that due to racist undertones of the word spooky they are dropping

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that from the name of their concert series or whatever and this made some kind of bigger

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waves amongst some more progressive people I guess.

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And there's a similar thing here in where I live where one of their events for Halloween

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is called spooky something and so that kind of set off a little bit of a oh I don't know

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what you would call it some kind of polite conversation certainly not a disagreement

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on Facebook.

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I was not partaking and I haven't read that particular argument online because I don't

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care but it did lead me to believe or lead me to do research on whether or not this word

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is racist.

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So I will tell you what I found and then you can tell me if we should drop spooky because

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it's racist or if we should keep spooky because we don't want to fall victim to linguistic

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tyranny which is a word I found in my research of this podcast topic and I really enjoy that

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linguistic tyranny.

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It's kind of like when they ban books.

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So this word spooky or spook came into usage in the 19th century which means the 1800s

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for those of you who would otherwise normally assume that the 19th century would be 1900

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something but alas our world is not sensical like that.

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So and it's a Dutch word that meant ghost or spirit or spy.

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So 1800s came into came into existence meaning a ghost or spy.

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Nothing race related.

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Then it wasn't until a 19 or yeah 19 well 19 yeah but World War II was its first known

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usage regarding race and it was the African-American pilots and they were called the spookwaffa.

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Sure.

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You know and that is decidedly a racist usage.

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Oh for sure.

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Of that.

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It's kind of clever.

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Well you know.

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I mean in that sort of like shitty way but.

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I mean I'm not saying it to be racist I'm saying it because that's just the history

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of the word.

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I've never heard that term before.

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That's incredible.

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Well this whole thing.

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I apologize to any listeners who are offended by me laughing.

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That is hilarious.

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Well we laugh because we care.

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Yes.

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I appreciate old timey racism.

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I do.

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It's like right out in the open and it's so stupid.

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I'm not laughing.

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I'm laughing at it not with it.

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You know.

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It's so dumb.

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Well and you know just to get it out there I mean racism on a whole is just so dumb.

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But actually you know what.

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Let's reserve more judgments on that for later.

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We're just going to go through each word here.

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So since I've already researched all these and I've kind of formed my own conclusions.

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What is your conclusion Mike on the term spooky?

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Well I've heard it's all about connotation right.

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Like if you get spooked that doesn't have a connotation that's racist.

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No.

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And something being spooky can have a connotation that's racist or it could be the more traditional

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way of you know spooky ghost type situation.

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I've also heard spies called spooks before.

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And they certainly weren't being used as a racist term.

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So it's kind of like any other word.

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Almost any turn of phrase can be used in a racist way.

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If you try hard enough and believe in yourself I suppose so.

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I mean I've heard you know like it's awful dark in there.

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You know what I mean.

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Like that's racist.

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Yeah let's put this one in context and say spooky celebrations for Halloween.

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Is that racist or not racist?

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No unless it's talking about like something that's racist.

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I mean you could use that you could use that exact phrase in a racist way.

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I suppose.

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So but what they're doing is they're taking these Halloween celebrations that are called

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you know spooky hayride.

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Yes I know you could have a spooky hayride and have it be racist.

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You could do that with anything like you said.

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But this one is Halloween celebrations at like the city government level and orchestra

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levels you know across the world.

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Right no.

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And so yeah and so I felt this one was a classic example of linguistic tyranny because the

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word didn't have racist origins to begin with.

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We'll get to some others that do and have.

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And it's not often used in a racist connotation.

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And even the racist derivative of this word has fallen hugely out of favor since I think

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the 1950s possibly in 1960s.

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You know it's not a common racial slur anymore.

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Right.

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Well the guy that I knew who used it was a Native American man and he used it very tongue

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in cheek.

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Yeah.

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He was trying to be funny in a race you know trying to be racist and funny in an inappropriate

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way of course.

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Yes using humor to get a free pass to be racist.

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Yes but he was also Native American so how do you break that up?

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That's reverse racism.

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Sure.

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Something like that I mean it's still racist for sure.

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Yes.

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But in the modern paradigm of power and you know blah blah blah you know all that all

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that nonsense.

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So I don't want to rush us along but I do have four pages of notes.

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Holy crap.

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Okay.

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We don't have that many words it's just I had to take enough notes so that I could speak

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somewhat intelligently about because etymology isn't my strong suit.

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It's interesting you know kind of in passing like the term like the term pussy doesn't

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actually when you call somebody a pussy you're not calling them a female's vagina you know

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it's short for something else that meant cowardly and I can't remember what that word is hence

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why it had been shortened to pussy.

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Right.

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But moving right along this one I'll tell you what it is and then we'll get into it.

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The word is blacklist.

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Okay.

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Okay and so they were this is typically used nowadays with internet you know you can blacklist

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certain sites or whitelist certain sites to allow them or deny them through your router

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or your firewall.

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So the recommended changed word of this would be the allow list or the deny list which doesn't

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quite roll off the tongue the same way but once we decide if this blacklist term is racist

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then we can decide if it's worth the extra tongue muscle movements to say the replacement.

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I've heard this argument before because in our society we associate good things with

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the white and bad things with black.

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Yes.

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And I've heard the argument before and I don't necessarily disagree with it as a general

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concept.

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As a general concept sure you know even before well in a lot of the old westerns the good

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guys wore the white cowboy hat and the bad guys wore the black cowboy hat but the good

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guys and bad guys weren't necessarily black or white.

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It was just the clothing choices.

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So we could go into the whole I don't have this word on there but dark like we could

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just you know is dark bad you know just light for the start.

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I don't know.

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But like you know some of that stuff is and we've talked about this before with movies

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and books and some of it's just artistic license.

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Like you need a quick and simple way to let somebody know who the good guy and bad guy

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is.

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At least back then in the westerns you know we the audiences maybe weren't as sophisticated

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or the studios didn't think the audiences were sophisticated to get the subtleties of

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there could be characters kind of in that gray area.

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But regardless we're talking about the blacklist here and there's been big TV shows called

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blacklist and you know Hollywood had a blacklist and there's you know the blacklist from the

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communist era.

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But let's get down to the origin story of blacklist.

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It originated in Philip Massinger's tragedy called the unnatural combat.

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And this came out in the year 1639 a hell of a year.

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And it had to do with the whatever king it was.

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I failed to write that down because you know royalty doesn't interest me a huge amount.

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But the king had a blacklist of people that went that had gone and killed his family.

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And so he made a list a blacklist if you will.

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And it had nothing to do with race.

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And my my kind of question offhand is is black associated with death because when when organic

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material decomposes it turns black and it has nothing to do with race.

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It's just the state of life after death.

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So interestingly enough I just listened to a great courses series on King Arthur and

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black was associated with negative things in European society a thousand years ago before

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black people were a common thing.

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Now that might have been a common thing there.

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A common well a common thing for them.

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OK.

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And that might have been affected by the Crusades as well though.

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That could have been an effect because they knew about moors obviously and they were not

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the good guys to the Europeans of course.

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So I don't know.

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I don't know if it was racially motivated or not.

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Do you know since you did the research?

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I did the research and I just I kind of decided that since it came out in a literary sense

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and the usage of the word or the first coinage of the word was in relation to a list of people

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about to die that it was not racist because these people were all you know English nobility

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that fucked over the king basically.

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Right.

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So and you know as far as I know the gallows hoods even for beheadings were all those were

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all black.

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So yes possibly did not show blood.

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You know again something not racist overtly or unconscious like racial thing.

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The old executioners were it was a hereditary post and a lot of those guys wanted to hide

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their.

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Oh I meant I meant the one they put over the people being executed.

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Oh I thought you were talking about the executioner.

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No but I suppose they were black.

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I suppose like so if we if we go ahead and say that the blacklist is racist then is calling

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it the black plague racist.

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Right now it's definitely due to the color.

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I mean I know like I know it's called the bubonic plague if you're at least somewhat

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moderately scientifically motivated.

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But you know the common parlance was black plague.

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Right.

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So then you'd have to go and examine everything like is my is my car black or do we have to

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invent a new name for that color.

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You know I think it's the same thing and I don't know.

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I know that they use the blacklist against communists.

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You know blacklisted but those people weren't necessarily black in skin color.

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Most of them weren't.

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So I don't know that this blacklist thing really holds a whole lot of water with me

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because it doesn't have much to do with African-American people despite somebody somewhere reading

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it and then applying it to themselves and thinking themselves offended.

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Right I the arguments I've heard are that there's the subconscious stereotype that whiteness

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is good and blackness is bad attached to the visual images and possibly terms.

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And I don't know if that's true or not because I've never experienced that those thoughts.

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I've never associated it that way but apparently some people do.

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And that's perfectly legitimate everybody gets to make their own decisions.

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Yeah everyone gets to make their own decisions until they tell the rest of the world that

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they can't do a certain thing.

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Well they can say whatever they want.

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That doesn't mean that people are going to do anything different.

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Oh no no I understand that.

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I'm just saying for the purposes of our game show and that's all it is a game show on a

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podcast about cigars and nothing to do with race or states rights even.

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But is that a term that we're going to look into on the game show.

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There are some terms that will call up fond or unfond memories of the states right era.

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Perfect.

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I would say blacklist is not particularly racist.

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Yes I would say blacklist falls in the same category as spooky for me even more so I think.

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I think blacklist is more firmly in the linguistic tyranny camp because it was never associated

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with African-American people.

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Sure.

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Which is the group that the I don't know what you would call them the social justice warriors

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are trying to protect.

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Right.

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All right so that's blacklist and spooky that's two down and we're halfway halfway through

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one page kind of.

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Nice.

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Okay so the next one and I just I mostly took these in order that they were in the article

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except I bumped spooky to the top because that was the word that kicked this whole little

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personal vendetta off for me.

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Sure.

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It's not really a vendetta it's more like a learning exercise I guess because sometimes

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you never know if something's racist or offensive until something you say is interpreted as

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that or you're made aware that that is you know.

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Right you don't know until you know.

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And it was kind of nice because you know this article one of the other articles I found

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was a lot of people will use these terms without intending them to be racist or not knowing

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that they could be interpreted as racist and that's okay but once you're made aware that's

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when you kind of have to you know make efforts to not do that.

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Right.

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So I'd say these these range from some that are struck me as very clearly racist and some

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that I was you know kind of shaking my head at.

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But this next one it's a two parter some of these are two or three you know words that

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are all kind of similar or the same as it were.

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This next one is ghetto or inner city.

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Well ghetto didn't that term come from European Jewish ghettos.

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You are not far off Mike.

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I thought it was.

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There's a few different origins of this term.

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I guess there's a little bit of discussion in the etymology reddit threads about where

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ghetto originated from.

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Sure.

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Things are heating up there I guess.

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But so the origin the most solid origin I could find was 1516 and it described where

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Jewish people were forcibly segregated to live segregated to live.

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But the I don't know if it's like Latin or Italian there's some other word that looks

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like or sounds like ghetto but it's spelled with those those funky word spices you know

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like the umlauts and the other things.

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Yes all the things that we don't have in English.

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And ghetto meant foundry in that in that sense and it just so happens that there the biggest

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foundry was where they made all the Jewish people live.

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So that's I think that's just an example of like the evolution of that where you know

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nobody in the upper class wanted to live near the foundry because it's smelly and dirty

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and what have you noisy I don't know.

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So that's where they put all the Jewish people and the definition of ghetto is a group or

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a section of a city where the minority lives.

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So this one necessarily isn't necessarily racist only towards black people.

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Right.

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This would be racist to anyone who's in the minority I suppose.

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I don't think it's racist.

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It's a descriptive word of a fact.

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It is not you can use it just like any other word you can connotate something negative

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from it but all it is is a descriptive word of the fact of the situation.

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There are areas in the cities every city where poor people live and those poor people are

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usually not white in the United States and that's just a fact.

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What other term are we going to use?

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The next term is going to be the new racist term at that point.

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You could say underprivileged area or underserved area.

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And we'll get into more of this and some of this is you know a lot of these intentions

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are good I believe or at least some of them are.

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I think in my mind because it originated with we forced the Jews to live in the least desirable

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part of the city and then we called it the ghetto.

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No not you or I.

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I'm just saying you know the people who coined this term and started using this term.

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Those people forced the Jews to live in the least desirable part of the city and then

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called it the ghetto because the foundry was there.

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So in my mind that makes it racist.

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I understand the argument.

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But to your point part of life is you need to be able to describe things.

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So you've got the suburbs.

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You've got well I guess inner city is lumped in here and I would say inner city is probably

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not racist because to me that inner city doesn't necessarily mean anything bad either.

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No not not not to my knowledge not to my knowledge either.

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I didn't do too much research on inner city because I just didn't feel it had the same

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kind of like pull as ghetto.

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Right.

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When I hear ghetto I think poor.

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Yep.

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I think of the Elvis Presley song.

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Yes.

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But you know I think this one could go either way.

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Like you said I mean you'd have to kind of reestablish ghetto in the sense devoid of

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race and just where the minority lives.

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But then you know there's a lot of minorities that don't like being called a minority.

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But and then you know I don't even think of the minority aspect.

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I just think the poor people live there.

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Yeah.

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And so but that's the thing is not all of these words are racist.

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Even though I said at the top like you know racist or linguistic tyranny.

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But like racist or ableist or classist or you know some other classist terms are good.

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You know the poor and the working people need to know where they're at.

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Like we're together and you know it's not a bad thing in my opinion.

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The rich people don't want us to think about it but.

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Well and to your point I mean we have to describe things somehow.

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And a lot of these words can be used in a racist manner and a lot of words can be used

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in a non racist manner.

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You know like oh they live in the ghetto.

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Well to me that means they lived in some burned out shithole.

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You know what I mean.

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Yeah.

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And that's not really what it's supposed to mean.

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So I think the word you know I think this one's probably safe to say you know maybe

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we should have a new descriptor word for if we if we need to define where the minority

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lives in a city then we probably need a word that doesn't conjure images of you know burned

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out buildings.

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Right.

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I wouldn't use it at work.

446
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Let's put it that way.

447
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Yeah and maybe maybe that's use the term at work.

448
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Yeah and maybe that is racist.

449
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Yeah I mean and this is one I would feel comfortable saying you know what ghetto that one is racist.

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I would say I have to I have to agree.

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So and that's what I liked about this article because it had some that were goofy and I

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was and I was thinking like that can't possibly be.

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And it had some like this one where initially I was like I don't know if it really is.

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But then you know learning about the origin of it I was like OK that seems pretty racist

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to me.

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And just the way it's evolved since that time it hasn't really changed.

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It always kind of comes down to race.

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And I know I know it was you know it's intended to describe where the minority lives and that

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comes down to race.

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At least in when most people say the minority.

461
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They're not thinking necessarily along economic lines.

462
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Right.

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I guess I've never really thought of it in modern usage as a racial term.

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But I understand how it is.

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I mean when you explain it.

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I look at the world mostly through economic lenses as you know.

467
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Yes.

468
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And if you go down to Lenscrafters not a sponsor they'll give you some racial lenses as well

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for a small upcharge.

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Yes.

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Tell them nasty Nate sent you.

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OK the next word on our on our list is nasty Nate.

473
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No I'm just kidding.

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The next the next phrase.

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And it's OK I'm just gonna say it.

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And again we're not saying these words to be racist or you know have a chance to air

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these words out in a public forum.

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This is strictly a learning and educational exercise.

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The next phrase is sold down the river.

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Sure I can understand what people would consider that to be racist.

481
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So what is what is sold down the river mean to you Mike.

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When you hear somebody say that phrase.

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That means that somebody screwed me over.

484
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Yep.

485
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So it means kind of like betrayal or being screwed over.

486
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Are you interested in the origin of this phrase.

487
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Yeah.

488
00:34:13,780 --> 00:34:16,660
Is the origin what I think it's going to be.

489
00:34:16,660 --> 00:34:19,940
I think it very much is.

490
00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:28,300
This term originated in slavery era America where the naughty northern slaves to be punished

491
00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:35,900
were sold down the river usually the Mississippi to the southern slaving states to live out

492
00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:42,580
harsher lives in harsher slave conditions.

493
00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:45,940
OK that sounds about right.

494
00:34:45,940 --> 00:34:50,660
Yep I mean that sounds about like when I first read it and this is not a phrase like I kind

495
00:34:50,660 --> 00:34:55,940
of knew what it meant in my in my in my head but it's not a phrase I've ever used.

496
00:34:55,940 --> 00:34:56,940
I don't think I've ever used that phrase.

497
00:34:56,940 --> 00:35:04,620
I've never really heard anybody use that phrase in the past 10 or 15 years at least.

498
00:35:04,620 --> 00:35:07,540
Yeah I've seen it on old television or old movies.

499
00:35:07,540 --> 00:35:13,220
But that's it I've never heard I don't think I've even heard anybody say it.

500
00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:14,220
Yeah.

501
00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:19,820
But we also like grew up very north you know.

502
00:35:19,820 --> 00:35:20,820
Yeah.

503
00:35:20,820 --> 00:35:21,820
Interesting.

504
00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:26,900
So I would call this one racist for sure.

505
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:30,380
Yeah I totally understand why people would say that.

506
00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:35,060
I would say that at least with the people that I associate with this is not a phrase

507
00:35:35,060 --> 00:35:37,660
that ever gets uttered.

508
00:35:37,660 --> 00:35:45,460
So I'm hoping it's I'm hoping it's fallen out of favor in modern times here.

509
00:35:45,460 --> 00:35:48,660
So maybe we don't have to worry so much about this one.

510
00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:50,700
But I think definitely it is it is racist.

511
00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:51,700
All right.

512
00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:53,820
I'm about halfway through my cigar by the way.

513
00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:57,300
I was just going to say I'm about halfway it's been wonderful.

514
00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:01,700
I had to do a little bit of a relight because I've been talking a lot and kind of let it

515
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:05,180
sit in the 30 degree weather.

516
00:36:05,180 --> 00:36:06,180
But it's great.

517
00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:12,460
The lighting issue was environment and me and not the cigar.

518
00:36:12,460 --> 00:36:13,460
Yes.

519
00:36:13,460 --> 00:36:14,460
OK.

520
00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:18,140
Next term are they going to get progressively worse.

521
00:36:18,140 --> 00:36:19,140
No.

522
00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:20,140
OK.

523
00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:23,100
Well let me let me check.

524
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:28,020
I hope not.

525
00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:31,540
We'll have to we'll have to see.

526
00:36:31,540 --> 00:36:36,620
I think I think this this sold on the river and this next one might be the biggest offenders

527
00:36:36,620 --> 00:36:38,300
on the list.

528
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:44,140
Not to predetermine your decision on this next word.

529
00:36:44,140 --> 00:36:48,180
The next one is grandfathered in.

530
00:36:48,180 --> 00:36:50,100
Why would that be racist necessarily.

531
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:53,820
I understand the term and I have used it myself.

532
00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:55,740
Yeah.

533
00:36:55,740 --> 00:36:57,020
And they use it in.

534
00:36:57,020 --> 00:37:01,700
That's like a legal term.

535
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:02,700
A lot of things.

536
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:03,700
Yeah.

537
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:04,700
Yeah.

538
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:06,820
But here's why it's a legal term.

539
00:37:06,820 --> 00:37:12,220
The click now and the truth will shock you.

540
00:37:12,220 --> 00:37:18,220
It originated in the southern United States as a way to deny blacks the right to vote

541
00:37:18,220 --> 00:37:25,140
because they had a literacy component to voting and a lot of the poor southern whites couldn't

542
00:37:25,140 --> 00:37:26,140
read.

543
00:37:26,140 --> 00:37:32,300
But if they had a grandfather who cast a ballot and voted they were grandfathered in and the

544
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:35,580
literacy requirement did not matter for them.

545
00:37:35,580 --> 00:37:43,340
And it couldn't possibly apply to the blacks who just recently got the right to vote.

546
00:37:43,340 --> 00:37:46,300
Because none of their grandfathers ever voted.

547
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:49,620
That makes a lot of sense now that you've said that.

548
00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:53,460
I mean it's definitely got race.

549
00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:56,980
The origins are in racism for sure.

550
00:37:56,980 --> 00:38:00,380
But it's also a descriptor of what the action is.

551
00:38:00,380 --> 00:38:01,380
You know what I mean?

552
00:38:01,380 --> 00:38:02,380
Yeah.

553
00:38:02,380 --> 00:38:04,380
And it might be narcissism.

554
00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:06,860
You know I mean if you just want to call it that.

555
00:38:06,860 --> 00:38:07,860
Sure.

556
00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:09,260
You know you're grandfathered in.

557
00:38:09,260 --> 00:38:17,660
Or I mean it happens a lot in even in businesses where you know if there's like an acquisition

558
00:38:17,660 --> 00:38:25,420
or something the people that were employed by the company being acquired gets to keep

559
00:38:25,420 --> 00:38:30,540
some of their benefits that the new employees that are the new hires wouldn't necessarily

560
00:38:30,540 --> 00:38:34,920
get because they weren't with the company being acquired and they're coming into a new

561
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,140
company.

562
00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:37,140
You know what I mean?

563
00:38:37,140 --> 00:38:38,140
Yes.

564
00:38:38,140 --> 00:38:40,760
Like they keep certain employees whole.

565
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:46,820
Might be a less racist way of saying it but it certainly takes a lot more words.

566
00:38:46,820 --> 00:38:47,820
Yes.

567
00:38:47,820 --> 00:38:53,100
But I would say grandfathered in is probably has at least one foot in the racist camp.

568
00:38:53,100 --> 00:39:01,340
Oh the origins are definitely rooted in the racist history of the United States.

569
00:39:01,340 --> 00:39:02,340
Yes.

570
00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:04,900
And we've talked about this before.

571
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:08,420
Not that America has been any more or less racist than other countries.

572
00:39:08,420 --> 00:39:10,180
Oh no.

573
00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:15,500
It just happens to be a phraseology we have here and it comes from other history.

574
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:21,260
And a lot of other countries like to slam America for having slavery for you know I

575
00:39:21,260 --> 00:39:24,380
don't know 80 years.

576
00:39:24,380 --> 00:39:25,860
Sure.

577
00:39:25,860 --> 00:39:32,380
Now I know that slavery was here for a lot longer on this continent but not past the

578
00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:33,500
Revolutionary War.

579
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:34,500
So right.

580
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:39,740
Because it wasn't it wasn't our country I guess until then.

581
00:39:39,740 --> 00:39:45,100
And speaking about our country here comes another trifecta of words and we'll go I'll

582
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:49,140
tell you all three at the top and then we will go through each one individually and

583
00:39:49,140 --> 00:39:52,860
we can make up our own minds on each word.

584
00:39:52,860 --> 00:39:55,100
Okay.

585
00:39:55,100 --> 00:40:01,540
We've got three Native American or indigenous phrases.

586
00:40:01,540 --> 00:40:04,380
We have spirit animal.

587
00:40:04,380 --> 00:40:06,420
We have pow wow.

588
00:40:06,420 --> 00:40:07,420
And we have tribe.

589
00:40:07,420 --> 00:40:11,740
None of those are racist.

590
00:40:11,740 --> 00:40:15,420
So you say now.

591
00:40:15,420 --> 00:40:20,020
Well somebody could be derogatory about it but there's pow wows.

592
00:40:20,020 --> 00:40:22,940
Where I live.

593
00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:24,300
They're called pow wows.

594
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:26,700
They advertise them as pow wows.

595
00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:32,380
That they being the people who are running the event on the reservation.

596
00:40:32,380 --> 00:40:37,980
But well we're going to talk about each one individually.

597
00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:40,660
The first one up and I appreciate your candor Mike.

598
00:40:40,660 --> 00:40:45,540
I think I think your initial thoughts were similar to my initial thoughts.

599
00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:48,980
I know that there are a lot of and the first word is spirit animal and I know there's a

600
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:56,060
lot of you know do we call them basic Becky's or whatever that wear the Ugg boots and they

601
00:40:56,060 --> 00:40:59,140
get the Starbucks and they say oh my god.

602
00:40:59,140 --> 00:41:00,140
Ugg boots are comfortable.

603
00:41:00,140 --> 00:41:01,140
Oh my god.

604
00:41:01,140 --> 00:41:02,380
I'll defend their choice.

605
00:41:02,380 --> 00:41:05,340
This latte is my spirit animal hashtag whatever.

606
00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:06,340
Sure.

607
00:41:06,340 --> 00:41:07,980
Ugg boots are very comfortable Nate.

608
00:41:07,980 --> 00:41:10,380
It's like a barefoot shoe that's warm.

609
00:41:10,380 --> 00:41:17,100
Well you know what I just came around to the Crocs so give me another year.

610
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:18,100
They're so comfortable.

611
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:19,940
I don't wear them out in public a lot.

612
00:41:19,940 --> 00:41:23,260
I wear them like so I wear right now I'm wearing winter slippers.

613
00:41:23,260 --> 00:41:24,260
They're insulated.

614
00:41:24,260 --> 00:41:28,500
They've got a hard plastic bottom or rubber bottom and I love them just to come out in

615
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:30,460
the yard and like run the trash out.

616
00:41:30,460 --> 00:41:31,460
You know what I mean.

617
00:41:31,460 --> 00:41:34,780
I am wearing Uggs slippers.

618
00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:36,020
Okay.

619
00:41:36,020 --> 00:41:38,940
So we can all call Mike basic Mike.

620
00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:40,540
Yeah basic Mike.

621
00:41:40,540 --> 00:41:47,380
I also and you know this Nate I wear moccasins out in public routinely so which I don't think

622
00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:48,380
I was.

623
00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:50,180
I don't consider that cultural appropriation.

624
00:41:50,180 --> 00:41:54,100
I just I was very slow to come around to the Crocs.

625
00:41:54,100 --> 00:42:01,540
I fought it and fought it for years and finally Sarah got me a pair and my brother had some

626
00:42:01,540 --> 00:42:02,540
and he let me try his on.

627
00:42:02,540 --> 00:42:06,340
I'm like hey these are kind of like summer slippers that aren't you know flip-flops.

628
00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:10,140
They give you a little bit more they stay on your foot a little bit better when you're

629
00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:11,140
out in the yard.

630
00:42:11,140 --> 00:42:12,140
Sure.

631
00:42:12,140 --> 00:42:15,140
But that's not really here or there.

632
00:42:15,140 --> 00:42:17,220
We're talking about spirit animals.

633
00:42:17,220 --> 00:42:25,540
So kind of the origin of spirit animal came from the Ottoman Empire and the Ottomans.

634
00:42:25,540 --> 00:42:26,540
Surprise.

635
00:42:26,540 --> 00:42:28,980
Etymology is weird.

636
00:42:28,980 --> 00:42:31,060
Like if there's a word like just go look it up.

637
00:42:31,060 --> 00:42:34,180
Look up the etymology of the word and some of these origin stories.

638
00:42:34,180 --> 00:42:38,620
If you if you could make a movie about the origin story of some of these phrases and

639
00:42:38,620 --> 00:42:43,620
words it would be like wild but probably only stoners would watch it or you know English

640
00:42:43,620 --> 00:42:45,100
majors.

641
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:46,300
Sure.

642
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:56,980
Anyway the Ottomans believed humanity to be not just animals but spirit animals which

643
00:42:56,980 --> 00:43:03,760
kind of follows Christianity's tenants on that where you know God created man and beast

644
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:10,820
and put man above beast by giving them a soul basically.

645
00:43:10,820 --> 00:43:12,980
At least according to Christianity.

646
00:43:12,980 --> 00:43:20,660
So and here's here's what was the biggest deciding factor for me or not deciding factor

647
00:43:20,660 --> 00:43:26,820
but kind of based eye-opening thing is what a lot of people call a spirit animal is really

648
00:43:26,820 --> 00:43:32,060
a totem in the Native American mythology.

649
00:43:32,060 --> 00:43:38,900
The totem or the datum but it's since kind of shifted to the realm of culture cultural

650
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:46,580
appropriation because the Native Americans never called their totem a spirit animal.

651
00:43:46,580 --> 00:43:47,880
Sure.

652
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,580
So that's kind of where it's been.

653
00:43:51,580 --> 00:43:55,220
I you know I don't know I didn't look I didn't have time because there's so many words on

654
00:43:55,220 --> 00:44:01,920
this list I didn't have time to go into each individual little like sub breakdown of everything

655
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,660
but that was kind of enough enough for me on the spirit animal like.

656
00:44:04,660 --> 00:44:12,660
I've never heard somebody use spirit animal in a way that was serious so that's always

657
00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:21,700
like a no and I and I think you know I think it's hard to say spirit animal is racist although

658
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:26,540
mostly because the Native Americans don't have spirit animal in their in their past

659
00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:30,580
like that wasn't that wasn't something we took from them and then made ours but it's

660
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:35,020
something we took from a different different culture and then applied to the Native Americans

661
00:44:35,020 --> 00:44:43,340
so it's probably you know the white settlers incompetence that led that to fall in line

662
00:44:43,340 --> 00:44:45,740
or fall in place of totem.

663
00:44:45,740 --> 00:44:47,140
Sure and there's a bit of that.

664
00:44:47,140 --> 00:44:53,060
You know in a sense I would sum this one up as just plain ignorance you know and it's

665
00:44:53,060 --> 00:44:58,860
sad because you kind of you know the Native American culture loses some of their heritage

666
00:44:58,860 --> 00:45:08,620
by having a wide swath of non Native American people calling miss miss naming part of their

667
00:45:08,620 --> 00:45:11,820
religion or part of their beliefs.

668
00:45:11,820 --> 00:45:14,500
Well not all Native tribes have the same beliefs.

669
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:18,060
No no no and I'm not saying that I'm just saying you know if you if you would make the

670
00:45:18,060 --> 00:45:22,300
case I would say it's not racist it's just incompetent you know.

671
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:23,300
Sure.

672
00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:29,220
Yeah it's well it's American culture in a nutshell isn't it.

673
00:45:29,220 --> 00:45:30,860
Pretty much.

674
00:45:30,860 --> 00:45:37,260
The next one well let's go to powwow first and I'm going to save tribe for last because

675
00:45:37,260 --> 00:45:43,660
tribe was the one that kind of lit up for me that was like this can't possibly be racist

676
00:45:43,660 --> 00:45:49,180
but we'll save tribe for the last one on this on this little section here and we'll move

677
00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:50,660
on to powwow.

678
00:45:50,660 --> 00:46:00,340
So powwow was an Algonquin term meaning medicine man and the English settlers then took that

679
00:46:00,340 --> 00:46:06,900
and the medicine men would have meetings of medicine men and the English settlers took

680
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:13,700
those meetings to be called a powwow instead of it being a meeting of powwows.

681
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:15,740
Sure.

682
00:46:15,740 --> 00:46:16,980
Right.

683
00:46:16,980 --> 00:46:23,460
And eventually that became synonymous with any meeting of any Native Americans anywhere

684
00:46:23,460 --> 00:46:28,980
for whatever reason regardless of if they're medicine men present or not.

685
00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:30,340
Sure.

686
00:46:30,340 --> 00:46:35,900
So that one give me your thoughts on that one.

687
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:45,820
No the Native Americans now use that term for their meetings so yeah regardless of whatever

688
00:46:45,820 --> 00:46:54,020
idiocy that the English settlers who are my people made the Native Americans themselves

689
00:46:54,020 --> 00:47:01,580
the different bands have taken the term and used it on their own.

690
00:47:01,580 --> 00:47:09,460
So yeah let me give a quick counterpoint or counter argument to what you said.

691
00:47:09,460 --> 00:47:14,380
I don't personally I don't disagree at all with what you're saying.

692
00:47:14,380 --> 00:47:21,900
This is simply for a devil's advocacy which is my nonprofit I'm starting up to accept

693
00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:29,180
donations that I can then give to my family per our charity episode.

694
00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:39,720
But anyway I'm curious if the Native Americans are taking this term because the English settlers

695
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:46,900
or the white people could not be dissuaded from their incorrect usage of it.

696
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:50,460
I mean somebody could make the argument that they would never have called them powwows

697
00:47:50,460 --> 00:47:56,300
in today's society had somebody not been so royally stupid at the gate.

698
00:47:56,300 --> 00:48:02,220
Possibly not but I'm just trying to find out if you're not Algonquin I'm guessing that

699
00:48:02,220 --> 00:48:05,860
powwow isn't a term that's native to their language.

700
00:48:05,860 --> 00:48:08,860
And they all had different languages.

701
00:48:08,860 --> 00:48:14,260
And they had very distinct beliefs and you know so that's not you know that's not the

702
00:48:14,260 --> 00:48:15,260
argument here.

703
00:48:15,260 --> 00:48:20,260
I was just trying to bring another counterpoint in that somebody might say well you know Mike

704
00:48:20,260 --> 00:48:25,180
and Nate they never would have had to do that had the white people just listened at the

705
00:48:25,180 --> 00:48:27,260
beginning.

706
00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:28,260
I wouldn't disagree.

707
00:48:28,260 --> 00:48:32,740
I was saying I don't think it's inherently racist.

708
00:48:32,740 --> 00:48:39,180
The people that you know the social justice warriors or the cry bullies that take offense

709
00:48:39,180 --> 00:48:47,820
on behalf of some other group or some other person have been largely disproven.

710
00:48:47,820 --> 00:48:53,820
You know if you like there's a little girl who really enjoyed Japanese culture and wanted

711
00:48:53,820 --> 00:48:59,580
to have a Japanese themed birthday party and she was white and she was wearing a kimono

712
00:48:59,580 --> 00:49:06,980
and some cry bully who happened to be white commented on the picture saying you know crying

713
00:49:06,980 --> 00:49:12,940
cultural appropriation and some Japanese person said this is absolutely is not cultural appropriation.

714
00:49:12,940 --> 00:49:16,620
We love celebrations of our culture and people and we want people to learn more about our

715
00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:18,700
culture and beliefs.

716
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:21,480
So you know there's a very fine line.

717
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:28,580
This is my opinion and it's not shared by all but cultures that are confident in their

718
00:49:28,580 --> 00:49:36,020
own traditions don't mind when outsiders participate because it doesn't negatively affect anything.

719
00:49:36,020 --> 00:49:43,220
So if anything it grows their people's awareness of what they're doing and their business opportunities.

720
00:49:43,220 --> 00:49:45,300
It's like the Mung Festival.

721
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:50,540
You know the Mung Festival they want everybody to come to the Mung Festival regardless of

722
00:49:50,540 --> 00:49:51,540
who you are.

723
00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:54,540
As long as you're there to spend money.

724
00:49:54,540 --> 00:50:00,260
And this little girl wasn't in makeup to make herself appear Japanese.

725
00:50:00,260 --> 00:50:05,380
She was simply wearing Japanese styled clothing.

726
00:50:05,380 --> 00:50:10,940
So it's different than the fraternity boys dressing up for their Halloween costumes in

727
00:50:10,940 --> 00:50:13,940
blackface.

728
00:50:13,940 --> 00:50:18,180
I mean I think and this goes to the same thing we were talking about earlier is sometimes

729
00:50:18,180 --> 00:50:19,820
it just comes down to intent.

730
00:50:19,820 --> 00:50:24,660
Like it's not inherently racist but the intent certainly could be.

731
00:50:24,660 --> 00:50:25,660
Right.

732
00:50:25,660 --> 00:50:26,660
Yeah.

733
00:50:26,660 --> 00:50:29,980
Me wearing moccasins is not I don't intend that to be racist.

734
00:50:29,980 --> 00:50:31,620
They're just comfortable to wear.

735
00:50:31,620 --> 00:50:32,620
Yeah.

736
00:50:32,620 --> 00:50:34,460
There's a reason why companies still make moccasins.

737
00:50:34,460 --> 00:50:35,460
Right.

738
00:50:35,460 --> 00:50:36,460
Yeah.

739
00:50:36,460 --> 00:50:38,180
There's handmade moccasins you can buy right here in Minnesota.

740
00:50:38,180 --> 00:50:41,820
I know Maine they have a company that makes them still.

741
00:50:41,820 --> 00:50:44,140
So people are buying them.

742
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:45,500
A lot of people.

743
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:46,780
Yes.

744
00:50:46,780 --> 00:50:48,700
So this next one then is Tribe.

745
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:52,900
And this one I struggled with on why it would even be here outside of like I know they call

746
00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:55,540
them Native American tribes.

747
00:50:55,540 --> 00:51:01,900
But tribe derives from Latin and refers to a group of people larger than a lineage or

748
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:08,660
a clan but smaller than a chiefdom nation or state.

749
00:51:08,660 --> 00:51:17,820
And tribe was common in kind of I don't know what do you call those people anthropologists

750
00:51:17,820 --> 00:51:24,500
until about the 1950s or 1960s where people started saying tribe is racist.

751
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:28,820
But much like ghetto the origin wasn't really racist.

752
00:51:28,820 --> 00:51:31,700
I mean people have been tribal.

753
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:35,420
Humanity has been tribal since the very beginning.

754
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:37,220
You know what I mean clans and tribes.

755
00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:38,220
Absolutely.

756
00:51:38,220 --> 00:51:39,220
Bands, clans.

757
00:51:39,220 --> 00:51:40,220
Bands whatever.

758
00:51:40,220 --> 00:51:44,820
And so getting kind of the breakdown that it's a unit of measurement.

759
00:51:44,820 --> 00:51:46,100
Yes.

760
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:50,500
You know like to me that that scream is not racist.

761
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:51,500
I agree.

762
00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:58,140
I mean just like anything else depending on the context you could I don't know how you

763
00:51:58,140 --> 00:52:03,380
would spin it to be racist but I'm sure it could be.

764
00:52:03,380 --> 00:52:08,940
I mean some of these people don't have anything better to do than to figure out how tribe

765
00:52:08,940 --> 00:52:09,940
is racist.

766
00:52:09,940 --> 00:52:10,940
Right.

767
00:52:10,940 --> 00:52:13,500
Well I've never tried to use the term tribe as racist personally.

768
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:14,500
No.

769
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:15,500
No.

770
00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:16,500
I understand.

771
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:17,500
It's a descriptor.

772
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:18,940
It's a unit of measurement.

773
00:52:18,940 --> 00:52:22,820
It's a certain number of people bigger than this number of people and smaller than that

774
00:52:22,820 --> 00:52:24,260
number of people.

775
00:52:24,260 --> 00:52:33,020
It's like saying measuring in feet and inches is racist because they used only black people

776
00:52:33,020 --> 00:52:34,340
feet or something.

777
00:52:34,340 --> 00:52:37,860
You know like they would cut a foot off of a black person and then that was their unit

778
00:52:37,860 --> 00:52:38,860
of measurement.

779
00:52:38,860 --> 00:52:41,620
That is not the real history of the foot.

780
00:52:41,620 --> 00:52:42,620
No it's not.

781
00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:43,620
That is okay.

782
00:52:43,620 --> 00:52:44,620
It's not.

783
00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:45,620
It's not.

784
00:52:45,620 --> 00:52:46,620
It's not.

785
00:52:46,620 --> 00:52:47,620
It's not.

786
00:52:47,620 --> 00:52:51,780
That's you know like if that had been the origin of foot sure then I could see foot

787
00:52:51,780 --> 00:52:56,500
being racist but this one just doesn't make any sense to me.

788
00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:57,500
No.

789
00:52:57,500 --> 00:52:58,500
No.

790
00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:03,740
Is the term potluck racist then?

791
00:53:03,740 --> 00:53:09,420
That one wasn't on the wasn't on the list and I don't think you should give these people

792
00:53:09,420 --> 00:53:11,140
more ideas of words of ban.

793
00:53:11,140 --> 00:53:12,140
Okay.

794
00:53:12,140 --> 00:53:16,820
Because that definitely has origins in Native American society in the northwest.

795
00:53:16,820 --> 00:53:22,100
So anyway I apologize.

796
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:24,820
No no no.

797
00:53:24,820 --> 00:53:31,260
It's a very fine line we walk here.

798
00:53:31,260 --> 00:53:34,900
I don't think that it's racist but that's okay.

799
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:38,860
I don't think it's racist either because it's not intended as a racist term.

800
00:53:38,860 --> 00:53:42,180
A lot of things aren't about intent really.

801
00:53:42,180 --> 00:53:43,180
You know what I mean?

802
00:53:43,180 --> 00:53:44,180
Yeah.

803
00:53:44,180 --> 00:53:46,140
Is luau is that racist?

804
00:53:46,140 --> 00:53:51,060
You know when a bunch of white people want to put on Hawaiian shirts and grill hot dogs

805
00:53:51,060 --> 00:53:52,060
in the backyard.

806
00:53:52,060 --> 00:53:53,580
I've been to a luau.

807
00:53:53,580 --> 00:53:54,580
It was fun.

808
00:53:54,580 --> 00:53:58,820
Yeah things are supposed to be fun and your culture is supposed to be celebrated so stop

809
00:53:58,820 --> 00:54:01,020
saying everything's racist or cultural appropriation.

810
00:54:01,020 --> 00:54:02,860
A lot of times it's not.

811
00:54:02,860 --> 00:54:05,540
It's just people that want to do nice fun things.

812
00:54:05,540 --> 00:54:11,500
Yeah the people holding the luau made lots of money and I got to eat that horrible poi.

813
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:14,660
Okay I've never had that.

814
00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:15,660
It's terrible.

815
00:54:15,660 --> 00:54:20,580
Better or worse than lutefisk?

816
00:54:20,580 --> 00:54:21,580
I'd rather eat lutefisk.

817
00:54:21,580 --> 00:54:30,740
I'm not gonna lie but that's the garbage food from where I'm from.

818
00:54:30,740 --> 00:54:37,460
I'd rather drink what the hell is it called?

819
00:54:37,460 --> 00:54:38,460
Acquavite or whatever.

820
00:54:38,460 --> 00:54:41,100
All right ready for the next word Mike.

821
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:42,100
Yes.

822
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:47,180
I think unless you're way faster than I am I think we'll have a little bit of time after

823
00:54:47,180 --> 00:54:54,420
these words kind of like decompress from this really intense brain burn of going through

824
00:54:54,420 --> 00:54:56,940
the etymology of all these words but we'll see.

825
00:54:56,940 --> 00:54:59,420
The next word is savage.

826
00:54:59,420 --> 00:55:01,580
Savage.

827
00:55:01,580 --> 00:55:04,820
I've heard that term used in a racist way for sure.

828
00:55:04,820 --> 00:55:08,140
It's actually in a lot of John Wayne movies.

829
00:55:08,140 --> 00:55:09,780
Oh yeah for sure.

830
00:55:09,780 --> 00:55:11,980
Savage is like barbarian.

831
00:55:11,980 --> 00:55:15,580
Modern version of barbarian.

832
00:55:15,580 --> 00:55:21,540
Well let's get down to the etymological brass tacks.

833
00:55:21,540 --> 00:55:24,220
If I'm using that correctly I don't know.

834
00:55:24,220 --> 00:55:25,820
Etymology is a weird word.

835
00:55:25,820 --> 00:55:32,780
So savage originates 1300 meaning wild or untamed.

836
00:55:32,780 --> 00:55:39,340
And in my research of this one I came across a modern day person from Ireland who said

837
00:55:39,340 --> 00:55:45,900
that the Irish use savage and deadly interchangeably to mean brilliant.

838
00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:50,100
Like that was savage or that was deadly you know like to mean brilliant.

839
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:51,100
Sure.

840
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:54,700
It's not really neither here nor there but you know other cultures use different words

841
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:55,860
differently than we do.

842
00:55:55,860 --> 00:55:56,860
Right.

843
00:55:56,860 --> 00:55:58,780
It's like bitching.

844
00:55:58,780 --> 00:56:05,100
But somebody said that allegedly this word savage is the equivalent to the n-word for

845
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:06,100
indigenous people.

846
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:12,780
Was it a white woman with dyed blonde hair?

847
00:56:12,780 --> 00:56:13,780
I do not know.

848
00:56:13,780 --> 00:56:17,780
Or pink hair or purple hair or bright blue hair.

849
00:56:17,780 --> 00:56:18,780
Sure.

850
00:56:18,780 --> 00:56:21,980
I always think of frosted blonde tips.

851
00:56:21,980 --> 00:56:24,300
Oh yeah.

852
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:34,620
The next thing was that it really what I found online was that it really depended on if you're

853
00:56:34,620 --> 00:56:39,580
using it to describe people versus non-people things.

854
00:56:39,580 --> 00:56:40,580
You know like that.

855
00:56:40,580 --> 00:56:41,580
Right.

856
00:56:41,580 --> 00:56:42,580
Like are you describing actions?

857
00:56:42,580 --> 00:56:45,260
Like a mountain lion attack was savage.

858
00:56:45,260 --> 00:56:46,260
Right.

859
00:56:46,260 --> 00:56:48,780
A murder was savage.

860
00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:49,780
Yeah.

861
00:56:49,780 --> 00:56:50,780
Yes.

862
00:56:50,780 --> 00:56:54,100
Or barbarous.

863
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:55,100
Somebody's acting barbarous.

864
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:56,100
Somebody's acting savage.

865
00:56:56,100 --> 00:57:00,140
I think this one probably didn't originate as a racist term.

866
00:57:00,140 --> 00:57:03,100
And I'm guessing that.

867
00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:12,740
But that it has been used very racially maybe even more so than our spooky word.

868
00:57:12,740 --> 00:57:17,820
So maybe I know there's a term around here called the jack pine savages and that is referring

869
00:57:17,820 --> 00:57:19,380
to white people.

870
00:57:19,380 --> 00:57:20,380
Okay.

871
00:57:20,380 --> 00:57:21,380
Specifically.

872
00:57:21,380 --> 00:57:22,380
Yes.

873
00:57:22,380 --> 00:57:28,060
So this one's kind of on the fence then.

874
00:57:28,060 --> 00:57:29,060
You know we don't know.

875
00:57:29,060 --> 00:57:30,060
It could be.

876
00:57:30,060 --> 00:57:31,060
It couldn't be.

877
00:57:31,060 --> 00:57:32,460
It really comes down to intent.

878
00:57:32,460 --> 00:57:34,060
It's context for sure.

879
00:57:34,060 --> 00:57:36,180
It's like spooky.

880
00:57:36,180 --> 00:57:37,420
That is context.

881
00:57:37,420 --> 00:57:43,900
If your buddy like tears into a I don't know Arby's roast beef and flings the food everywhere

882
00:57:43,900 --> 00:57:50,700
and is growling and snarling and stuff like he savagely attacked that roast beef.

883
00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:55,860
You know like that doesn't seem racist to me.

884
00:57:55,860 --> 00:57:58,780
Anyway that's probably enough on that one.

885
00:57:58,780 --> 00:58:04,940
Okay the next one is one that I had heard previously be called racist.

886
00:58:04,940 --> 00:58:09,340
And it's a word that I have used in the past.

887
00:58:09,340 --> 00:58:13,180
But only because I didn't know anything about it.

888
00:58:13,180 --> 00:58:14,660
Okay.

889
00:58:14,660 --> 00:58:17,820
And that is.

890
00:58:17,820 --> 00:58:21,260
Now the word that's the bigger offender in my mind is gypped.

891
00:58:21,260 --> 00:58:25,020
But apparently gypsy is also racist.

892
00:58:25,020 --> 00:58:26,020
Allegedly.

893
00:58:26,020 --> 00:58:27,020
Okay.

894
00:58:27,020 --> 00:58:30,340
Well I know that gypsies are the Roma.

895
00:58:30,340 --> 00:58:34,500
But they also have a couple other groups of people that are gypsies other than Roma.

896
00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:35,500
Roma is the biggest group.

897
00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:36,500
Yeah.

898
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:39,340
There's like four or five of them in Europe.

899
00:58:39,340 --> 00:58:47,420
There's like Irish travelers and there's other groups that would be considered gypsies.

900
00:58:47,420 --> 00:58:48,420
And gypped.

901
00:58:48,420 --> 00:58:49,420
Yes.

902
00:58:49,420 --> 00:58:51,700
Because gypsies are thieves.

903
00:58:51,700 --> 00:58:56,940
That's the prejudicial thought.

904
00:58:56,940 --> 00:58:59,340
Yes.

905
00:58:59,340 --> 00:59:06,740
So it I guess first made an appearance in an 1899 dictionary as an abbreviation the term

906
00:59:06,740 --> 00:59:14,380
gyps now as an abbreviation of gypsy referring to sly unscrupulous people.

907
00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:16,820
Sure.

908
00:59:16,820 --> 00:59:21,620
So I guess you know that one because it's it's not the term that the Roma chose for

909
00:59:21,620 --> 00:59:26,020
themselves and the Roma and other peoples.

910
00:59:26,020 --> 00:59:27,020
Yes.

911
00:59:27,020 --> 00:59:28,020
And other peoples.

912
00:59:28,020 --> 00:59:35,940
And and the fact that gypped has such a negative connotation and is really derivative of the

913
00:59:35,940 --> 00:59:37,780
term gypsy.

914
00:59:37,780 --> 00:59:42,380
You know where I could see maybe gypsy not being racist.

915
00:59:42,380 --> 00:59:44,220
But it's kind of the same as Eskimo.

916
00:59:44,220 --> 00:59:45,220
Right.

917
00:59:45,220 --> 00:59:49,740
They're not Eskimos and the Native Americans aren't Indians.

918
00:59:49,740 --> 00:59:55,860
And those are have fallen out of favor I think in a large amongst white people.

919
00:59:55,860 --> 00:59:56,860
They're part of our favor.

920
00:59:56,860 --> 00:59:57,860
Yeah.

921
00:59:57,860 --> 01:00:02,740
I mean there's still a lot of people who call the Indian nations you know or Indian.

922
01:00:02,740 --> 01:00:03,740
Yeah.

923
01:00:03,740 --> 01:00:04,740
Yeah.

924
01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:05,740
Native Americans.

925
01:00:05,740 --> 01:00:06,740
Yeah.

926
01:00:06,740 --> 01:00:12,180
I'm just trying to say you know people that are a little more educated have no no issue

927
01:00:12,180 --> 01:00:18,260
calling you know Native Americans or Inuits or indigenous people.

928
01:00:18,260 --> 01:00:19,940
You know that's not a huge.

929
01:00:19,940 --> 01:00:20,940
Sure.

930
01:00:20,940 --> 01:00:27,900
I've heard some people who are opposed to the term indigenous people too.

931
01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:33,300
There's certainly a group of Native Americans who are against the term indigenous people.

932
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:34,300
Yeah.

933
01:00:34,300 --> 01:00:39,860
They want to be referred to as the band or the group the people's group that they are

934
01:00:39,860 --> 01:00:40,860
not.

935
01:00:40,860 --> 01:00:41,860
Yeah.

936
01:00:41,860 --> 01:00:46,780
I mean and I think there's something also to be said for not wanting to be called indigenous

937
01:00:46,780 --> 01:00:56,100
when all of life originated out of Africa and nobody outside of Africa is truly indigenous.

938
01:00:56,100 --> 01:01:04,380
You know Native Americans migrated here from Russia basically or you know they some of

939
01:01:04,380 --> 01:01:05,620
them don't believe so.

940
01:01:05,620 --> 01:01:06,860
Some people do.

941
01:01:06,860 --> 01:01:09,980
I don't know if it's actually been proven or not.

942
01:01:09,980 --> 01:01:12,340
I know there's been a few.

943
01:01:12,340 --> 01:01:18,180
Yeah I know there's been a few stories where people have found human remains encased in

944
01:01:18,180 --> 01:01:23,380
tree sap or amber somewhere that predates the Native American tribes.

945
01:01:23,380 --> 01:01:34,780
So I think for the Native Americans to willingly accept indigenous would be dangerous if a

946
01:01:34,780 --> 01:01:39,660
population of people were found to be living here before they got here or if they were

947
01:01:39,660 --> 01:01:42,020
to be proven that they weren't indigenous.

948
01:01:42,020 --> 01:01:43,020
Right well I know that.

949
01:01:43,020 --> 01:01:45,980
It could be a sticky situation is all I'm saying.

950
01:01:45,980 --> 01:01:52,460
Down in South America they've done genetic testing and they've found that Native tribes

951
01:01:52,460 --> 01:01:58,900
there, the Amazonians have some Polynesian and some Chinese as well.

952
01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:05,100
So there's like the island hopper theory of expansion.

953
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:06,860
I don't know if you ever heard of that.

954
01:02:06,860 --> 01:02:10,380
I've heard about it just in passing I haven't really looked into it.

955
01:02:10,380 --> 01:02:16,980
Yeah there's growing evidence that potentially people were coming across the island chains

956
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:20,860
and landed and settled as well.

957
01:02:20,860 --> 01:02:28,340
And we know that in like Labrador and stuff they have European genetics there that predates

958
01:02:28,340 --> 01:02:31,780
colonization.

959
01:02:31,780 --> 01:02:40,860
But we also know that they were, I think the Irish and the Icelanders were coming to North

960
01:02:40,860 --> 01:02:45,660
America long before settlement, white settlement.

961
01:02:45,660 --> 01:02:48,260
So that's not surprising either.

962
01:02:48,260 --> 01:02:49,260
Anyway.

963
01:02:49,260 --> 01:02:51,580
So that's that one.

964
01:02:51,580 --> 01:03:01,020
The next few here get a little more interesting because these ones all kind of fall under

965
01:03:01,020 --> 01:03:07,380
the ableist terminology rather than racist.

966
01:03:07,380 --> 01:03:11,220
So we're kind of shifting a little bit here.

967
01:03:11,220 --> 01:03:17,740
The next term is first world problem.

968
01:03:17,740 --> 01:03:23,500
So this term first appeared in 1979 in J.K.

969
01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:25,420
Payne's built environment.

970
01:03:25,420 --> 01:03:34,820
And I think he was an economist.

971
01:03:34,820 --> 01:03:38,660
All these words that I never say play in my way.

972
01:03:38,660 --> 01:03:42,020
Playing with my pronunciation here.

973
01:03:42,020 --> 01:03:43,860
But then so that was 1979.

974
01:03:43,860 --> 01:03:52,220
Then in 2005 it gained traction as a popular meme to define things that people will complain

975
01:03:52,220 --> 01:03:59,380
about but really shouldn't because at least here we live a lot better or more comfortably

976
01:03:59,380 --> 01:04:03,580
than a lot of other places in the world.

977
01:04:03,580 --> 01:04:04,580
Like slow internet.

978
01:04:04,580 --> 01:04:06,380
My internet is slow.

979
01:04:06,380 --> 01:04:08,380
Hashtag first world problem.

980
01:04:08,380 --> 01:04:12,900
Well, I mean, there's a point to that too, because we spent an awful lot of money to

981
01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:18,140
have fast internet and it's never been built even though we spent the money to build it.

982
01:04:18,140 --> 01:04:22,900
I'm going to take this a step further because I needed to know more, like just having it

983
01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:29,780
be in an economy paper and a meme wasn't enough for me to determine if this truly was ableist

984
01:04:29,780 --> 01:04:31,180
or not.

985
01:04:31,180 --> 01:04:36,580
The term first world, first world country originated during the Cold War.

986
01:04:36,580 --> 01:04:38,420
I knew this.

987
01:04:38,420 --> 01:04:41,700
And there's a first world, second world and third world.

988
01:04:41,700 --> 01:04:43,820
And I have what all of those mean.

989
01:04:43,820 --> 01:04:48,720
And I know and I had known about first world and third world just in the general sense

990
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:53,580
of first world rich, third world poor.

991
01:04:53,580 --> 01:04:56,300
But there's actual affiliations to these.

992
01:04:56,300 --> 01:05:03,580
So the first world was USA, the UK, NATO countries and Japan.

993
01:05:03,580 --> 01:05:04,580
Yes.

994
01:05:04,580 --> 01:05:07,460
And this was at the time of the Cold War.

995
01:05:07,460 --> 01:05:14,060
The second world was the USSR, countries of the Warsaw Pact and China.

996
01:05:14,060 --> 01:05:15,460
Yes.

997
01:05:15,460 --> 01:05:20,700
And third world was India, Yugoslavia and any other neutral nation.

998
01:05:20,700 --> 01:05:24,740
Yes, I knew that.

999
01:05:24,740 --> 01:05:31,660
But now the term first world means any country with little political or economic risk.

1000
01:05:31,660 --> 01:05:36,700
So I've heard the term, you know, developed nation as well.

1001
01:05:36,700 --> 01:05:37,700
Yes.

1002
01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:38,700
Kind of.

1003
01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:46,060
So, you know, if you have a infrastructure and utilities and a democracy that functions

1004
01:05:46,060 --> 01:05:52,180
relatively most of the time, I guess, then it's first world country.

1005
01:05:52,180 --> 01:05:54,380
So I don't know.

1006
01:05:54,380 --> 01:05:58,940
I mean, this seems like a descriptor doesn't seem like a racist or ableist thing.

1007
01:05:58,940 --> 01:06:01,620
It is a descriptor.

1008
01:06:01,620 --> 01:06:07,100
And the people that get offended, and I've heard this argument before, the people who

1009
01:06:07,100 --> 01:06:15,420
get offended about that, they don't take into consideration that parts of this country are

1010
01:06:15,420 --> 01:06:16,940
not equal to other parts.

1011
01:06:16,940 --> 01:06:22,660
There are parts of the United States that do not have access to basic utilities that

1012
01:06:22,660 --> 01:06:23,660
do not.

1013
01:06:23,660 --> 01:06:25,100
I mean, they just don't.

1014
01:06:25,100 --> 01:06:26,340
This is true.

1015
01:06:26,340 --> 01:06:28,340
It's pretty shitty.

1016
01:06:28,340 --> 01:06:29,340
Yeah.

1017
01:06:29,340 --> 01:06:30,340
West Virginia.

1018
01:06:30,340 --> 01:06:33,300
There are parts of West Virginia that are pretty shitty.

1019
01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:36,140
There's parts of the Western states that are remote.

1020
01:06:36,140 --> 01:06:42,660
Well, and the Southwest is some of the poorest places you'll see.

1021
01:06:42,660 --> 01:06:43,980
And the deep South too.

1022
01:06:43,980 --> 01:06:52,220
Standing Rock Indian Reservation is fucking horrible as far as economic development and

1023
01:06:52,220 --> 01:06:53,220
poverty.

1024
01:06:53,220 --> 01:06:54,220
Yes.

1025
01:06:54,220 --> 01:06:55,220
Yes.

1026
01:06:55,220 --> 01:07:00,580
And there are parts, which made news a couple of years ago, I'm sure everybody has heard

1027
01:07:00,580 --> 01:07:02,300
the word, but most people have not been there.

1028
01:07:02,300 --> 01:07:03,300
I have.

1029
01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:06,100
And it is not nice in parts for sure.

1030
01:07:06,100 --> 01:07:07,100
All right.

1031
01:07:07,100 --> 01:07:12,580
So we're going to delve a little bit more into some ableist terms or potentially ableist

1032
01:07:12,580 --> 01:07:14,380
terms.

1033
01:07:14,380 --> 01:07:17,420
This next one may shock and surprise you.

1034
01:07:17,420 --> 01:07:19,740
But first a word from our sponsors.

1035
01:07:19,740 --> 01:07:20,740
Just kidding.

1036
01:07:20,740 --> 01:07:24,780
We don't have them.

1037
01:07:24,780 --> 01:07:28,420
So the next one's a trifecta as well.

1038
01:07:28,420 --> 01:07:33,780
Brainstorm, blindsided, and blindspot for being ableist.

1039
01:07:33,780 --> 01:07:39,620
Now I thought for sure the brainstorm thing couldn't possibly be ableist.

1040
01:07:39,620 --> 01:07:45,220
However, this will shock you and amaze you.

1041
01:07:45,220 --> 01:07:48,660
And I'm surprised Kearney didn't make the list.

1042
01:07:48,660 --> 01:07:49,660
Kearney, yeah.

1043
01:07:49,660 --> 01:07:56,380
Kearney is definitely not an appropriate term, even though people use it.

1044
01:07:56,380 --> 01:07:58,300
Because they have small hands and smell of cabbage?

1045
01:07:58,300 --> 01:08:01,300
It is dirty.

1046
01:08:01,300 --> 01:08:03,260
Dirty and untrustworthy.

1047
01:08:03,260 --> 01:08:08,220
For anyone not familiar with Austin Powers, I was simply quoting the Austin Powers movie

1048
01:08:08,220 --> 01:08:11,060
with the little hands and cabbage thing.

1049
01:08:11,060 --> 01:08:13,140
Oh my God.

1050
01:08:13,140 --> 01:08:14,140
Anyway.

1051
01:08:14,140 --> 01:08:21,900
Brainstorm originated in the 19th century to mean sudden neurological or mental disturbance.

1052
01:08:21,900 --> 01:08:27,700
So instead of a, I don't know what you would call it today.

1053
01:08:27,700 --> 01:08:32,140
It's certainly not what we call it today, but like a mental affliction.

1054
01:08:32,140 --> 01:08:33,780
Like a psychotic episode.

1055
01:08:33,780 --> 01:08:34,780
Yes.

1056
01:08:34,780 --> 01:08:38,060
Something like that.

1057
01:08:38,060 --> 01:08:40,540
But that's what it originated as.

1058
01:08:40,540 --> 01:08:49,020
And in the 1940s, Alex Osborne used it in his kind of business class or business philosophy

1059
01:08:49,020 --> 01:08:54,540
or whatever to mean, you know, to generate ideas.

1060
01:08:54,540 --> 01:08:57,100
You put a lot of brains together and you brainstorm ideas.

1061
01:08:57,100 --> 01:09:00,380
And I'm sure most people have heard it meant as that.

1062
01:09:00,380 --> 01:09:08,100
But people that, but he was basically co-opting or stealing this term that meant a mental

1063
01:09:08,100 --> 01:09:13,340
disorder or a mental problem and turn it into something else.

1064
01:09:13,340 --> 01:09:21,220
So other people preferred the term thought shower instead of brainstorm.

1065
01:09:21,220 --> 01:09:25,100
And I feel kind of the same way about thought shower as you do.

1066
01:09:25,100 --> 01:09:28,560
Because to me it's like, oh, that's how I clean my brain after I've thought some really

1067
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:29,560
dirty things.

1068
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,220
I just had a shower.

1069
01:09:31,220 --> 01:09:32,220
Yeah.

1070
01:09:32,220 --> 01:09:34,220
Now you're telling me I need another one.

1071
01:09:34,220 --> 01:09:36,340
What the hell?

1072
01:09:36,340 --> 01:09:37,340
Okay.

1073
01:09:37,340 --> 01:09:44,660
Well, you know, I mean, I guess I, whenever it comes to the like the blind spot and the,

1074
01:09:44,660 --> 01:09:47,620
well we'll, we'll get into those just a little bit.

1075
01:09:47,620 --> 01:09:55,540
But you know what, we'll, I think brainstorm now certainly is not used in an ableist manner.

1076
01:09:55,540 --> 01:10:03,140
And only those people who looked up to find out that it was initially in the 1800s used

1077
01:10:03,140 --> 01:10:07,740
to describe a mental affliction would be offended by it.

1078
01:10:07,740 --> 01:10:08,860
Yeah.

1079
01:10:08,860 --> 01:10:15,140
People who are people who have first world problems are potentially potentially.

1080
01:10:15,140 --> 01:10:18,380
So blind, blindsided.

1081
01:10:18,380 --> 01:10:22,300
And I just kind of, I didn't really look up blind spot because we use it in cars like

1082
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:24,740
the driver's blind spot.

1083
01:10:24,740 --> 01:10:27,700
But understand like, you know, there are people that are blind.

1084
01:10:27,700 --> 01:10:29,900
So is it wrong to call something a blind spot?

1085
01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:30,900
I don't know.

1086
01:10:30,900 --> 01:10:33,020
I mean, I mean, it literally means to not be able to see.

1087
01:10:33,020 --> 01:10:34,660
So again, it's a description.

1088
01:10:34,660 --> 01:10:35,980
That's what the term means.

1089
01:10:35,980 --> 01:10:46,680
So blindsided originated in the 1600s and the original sense didn't mean sightless.

1090
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,260
It meant confused.

1091
01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:51,980
Sure.

1092
01:10:51,980 --> 01:10:59,700
So I, you know, I feel like these ones here are kind of grasping at straws.

1093
01:10:59,700 --> 01:11:02,260
I agree because our language develops, you know,

1094
01:11:02,260 --> 01:11:06,180
the only one that has a little bit of legs to stand on would be brainstorm.

1095
01:11:06,180 --> 01:11:09,740
I mean, you know, just the origin.

1096
01:11:09,740 --> 01:11:20,660
But as we all know, terms, definitions change over time and over cultures.

1097
01:11:20,660 --> 01:11:24,400
Faggot in the beginning meant a bundle of small sticks.

1098
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:31,180
And in the UK, they still smoke fags even to this day, you know, as a cigarette.

1099
01:11:31,180 --> 01:11:37,220
Now certainly there's other usages for that term today, which are very, very racist or

1100
01:11:37,220 --> 01:11:45,260
offensive, I would say, not racist, but offensive, derogatory.

1101
01:11:45,260 --> 01:11:46,840
But that's not how they originated.

1102
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:53,220
But I'm still not going to go out and use those terms where it's not culturally or societally

1103
01:11:53,220 --> 01:11:54,220
appropriate.

1104
01:11:54,220 --> 01:11:55,220
Right.

1105
01:11:55,220 --> 01:11:56,220
It's like the term gay.

1106
01:11:56,220 --> 01:11:57,220
Yeah.

1107
01:11:57,220 --> 01:11:58,220
Yeah.

1108
01:11:58,220 --> 01:12:02,380
Which I heard people call somebody happy to mean homosexuals.

1109
01:12:02,380 --> 01:12:03,380
Old people.

1110
01:12:03,380 --> 01:12:04,380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1111
01:12:04,380 --> 01:12:05,380
Usually old people.

1112
01:12:05,380 --> 01:12:06,380
Yeah.

1113
01:12:06,380 --> 01:12:07,380
He's a happy guy.

1114
01:12:07,380 --> 01:12:08,380
Yeah.

1115
01:12:08,380 --> 01:12:11,380
Or like the light in the loafers.

1116
01:12:11,380 --> 01:12:12,380
Yeah.

1117
01:12:12,380 --> 01:12:13,980
Oh, yes.

1118
01:12:13,980 --> 01:12:15,820
So you know, these ones, I don't know.

1119
01:12:15,820 --> 01:12:19,620
I mean, you can make up your mind if you don't like those terms, then I guess just don't use

1120
01:12:19,620 --> 01:12:20,620
them.

1121
01:12:20,620 --> 01:12:24,700
I don't think blindsided or blindspot.

1122
01:12:24,700 --> 01:12:28,580
I don't really have any issue with those.

1123
01:12:28,580 --> 01:12:30,580
And I mean, to be fair...

1124
01:12:30,580 --> 01:12:33,180
Unless we're going to change the definition of blind.

1125
01:12:33,180 --> 01:12:41,220
Yeah, and I'm not a blind person, so I couldn't tell you if it would offend me if I were blind.

1126
01:12:41,220 --> 01:12:43,260
I'm guessing we're supposed to say unsighted.

1127
01:12:43,260 --> 01:12:49,460
Yeah, but unsighted spot makes me think of like dirty things.

1128
01:12:49,460 --> 01:12:54,460
And then I need a thought shower again.

1129
01:12:54,460 --> 01:12:56,780
Thought shower reminds me of like some dystopian novel.

1130
01:12:56,780 --> 01:12:59,340
Hey, I thought of your unsighted spot.

1131
01:12:59,340 --> 01:13:05,460
I need a thought shower.

1132
01:13:05,460 --> 01:13:07,700
Could you show me your unsighted spot, please?

1133
01:13:07,700 --> 01:13:11,300
A thought shower sounds like something they do to you in a dentist chair.

1134
01:13:11,300 --> 01:13:14,020
Yeah, or like at the end of A Clockwork Orange.

1135
01:13:14,020 --> 01:13:15,020
Right.

1136
01:13:15,020 --> 01:13:18,020
That's exactly what I was thinking of.

1137
01:13:18,020 --> 01:13:19,020
Yeah.

1138
01:13:19,020 --> 01:13:22,020
That's exactly what I was thinking of.

1139
01:13:22,020 --> 01:13:26,740
And then the next one, these next two, they go hand in hand.

1140
01:13:26,740 --> 01:13:29,900
And you used this earlier in the episode.

1141
01:13:29,900 --> 01:13:30,900
Oh.

1142
01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:35,620
So here we go.

1143
01:13:35,620 --> 01:13:39,260
The two words are dumb and lame.

1144
01:13:39,260 --> 01:13:40,260
Yeah.

1145
01:13:40,260 --> 01:13:46,660
So earlier in the episode, Mike said, that's dumb.

1146
01:13:46,660 --> 01:13:50,420
I thought I might have used the word lame.

1147
01:13:50,420 --> 01:13:53,020
And I quickly said, that is dumb.

1148
01:13:53,020 --> 01:13:55,580
And then I remembered that word was later on our list.

1149
01:13:55,580 --> 01:13:58,180
And I said, well, let's talk about that later.

1150
01:13:58,180 --> 01:13:59,180
Yep.

1151
01:13:59,180 --> 01:14:02,300
That's somebody who can't speak, right?

1152
01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:05,300
So let's get into the show.

1153
01:14:05,300 --> 01:14:08,700
Dumb originated in 1200, in the 1200s.

1154
01:14:08,700 --> 01:14:13,340
And it meant unable or refraining from speaking.

1155
01:14:13,340 --> 01:14:20,540
So you wouldn't necessarily have to be mute or have a physical condition not allowing

1156
01:14:20,540 --> 01:14:21,940
you to speak.

1157
01:14:21,940 --> 01:14:24,980
Dumb could just mean you're biting your tongue.

1158
01:14:24,980 --> 01:14:28,180
You're holding back comment.

1159
01:14:28,180 --> 01:14:32,740
In 1823, dumb started to mean ignorant.

1160
01:14:32,740 --> 01:14:36,580
And most of the things that we associate with it now.

1161
01:14:36,580 --> 01:14:46,580
So I guess the problem is that dumb is a bad way to refer to somebody who can't speak.

1162
01:14:46,580 --> 01:14:47,580
And I would agree.

1163
01:14:47,580 --> 01:14:48,580
I wouldn't.

1164
01:14:48,580 --> 01:14:49,580
It's an old timey word.

1165
01:14:49,580 --> 01:14:50,580
Yes.

1166
01:14:50,580 --> 01:14:51,580
Yeah.

1167
01:14:51,580 --> 01:14:52,580
Like archaic.

1168
01:14:52,580 --> 01:14:53,580
Yeah.

1169
01:14:53,580 --> 01:14:58,140
But I don't think using dumb in the sense that we use it today, because usually when

1170
01:14:58,140 --> 01:15:02,740
we say that person's dumb, we don't mean that they can't speak and we're not making fun

1171
01:15:02,740 --> 01:15:04,860
of a medical condition.

1172
01:15:04,860 --> 01:15:09,260
We're meaning that they're ignorant or uneducated or so on and so forth.

1173
01:15:09,260 --> 01:15:13,820
So it's just like the words we just talked about.

1174
01:15:13,820 --> 01:15:14,820
You know what I mean?

1175
01:15:14,820 --> 01:15:19,860
A bundle of sticks or a cigarette.

1176
01:15:19,860 --> 01:15:25,900
And then lame came from Middle English and meaning crippled.

1177
01:15:25,900 --> 01:15:29,580
And what a good segue because the next word on the list is crippled.

1178
01:15:29,580 --> 01:15:35,100
So I didn't do additional research for lame here because it simply means crippled.

1179
01:15:35,100 --> 01:15:36,100
Right.

1180
01:15:36,100 --> 01:15:37,600
Or at least its origins did.

1181
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,540
And now it means something that's boring or what have you.

1182
01:15:40,540 --> 01:15:46,060
So would the term lame pills be offensive?

1183
01:15:46,060 --> 01:15:48,460
I don't know.

1184
01:15:48,460 --> 01:15:50,860
Do they or do they not get you high?

1185
01:15:50,860 --> 01:15:51,860
That's the question.

1186
01:15:51,860 --> 01:15:52,860
All right.

1187
01:15:52,860 --> 01:15:53,860
So cripple.

1188
01:15:53,860 --> 01:16:02,220
Again, cripple is just a descriptive word that is describing something unpleasant.

1189
01:16:02,220 --> 01:16:03,220
Yes.

1190
01:16:03,220 --> 01:16:12,700
So there's been a big, big push recent times to instead of and you know what wasn't on

1191
01:16:12,700 --> 01:16:18,100
this list by this company was retarded.

1192
01:16:18,100 --> 01:16:21,420
And cripple and those kind of go similarly.

1193
01:16:21,420 --> 01:16:25,460
And I think the big push has been differently abled.

1194
01:16:25,460 --> 01:16:29,340
Okay.

1195
01:16:29,340 --> 01:16:34,980
But crippled came from Middle English meaning impaired physical abilities.

1196
01:16:34,980 --> 01:16:41,180
But before then, it originally meant to crawl, bend or crouch.

1197
01:16:41,180 --> 01:16:47,660
I suppose as you would if you had like an infirm leg or injured leg or something or

1198
01:16:47,660 --> 01:16:49,580
back or you know.

1199
01:16:49,580 --> 01:16:53,020
So it definitely could be kind of ableist I suppose.

1200
01:16:53,020 --> 01:17:01,060
Have you ever read script or listened to somebody read script in Middle English?

1201
01:17:01,060 --> 01:17:05,820
Because you can like you and I being modern English users can read it.

1202
01:17:05,820 --> 01:17:09,580
But when it's pronounced, it's almost impossible to tell.

1203
01:17:09,580 --> 01:17:10,580
Not impossible.

1204
01:17:10,580 --> 01:17:11,580
Okay.

1205
01:17:11,580 --> 01:17:13,540
It's 50% you understand what they're saying.

1206
01:17:13,540 --> 01:17:15,140
You get the gist of it.

1207
01:17:15,140 --> 01:17:17,380
And Shakespeare was old English, right?

1208
01:17:17,380 --> 01:17:19,460
No, no, he was modern.

1209
01:17:19,460 --> 01:17:21,660
He was the very beginning of modern English.

1210
01:17:21,660 --> 01:17:22,660
Yeah, yeah.

1211
01:17:22,660 --> 01:17:23,660
You listened or.

1212
01:17:23,660 --> 01:17:31,620
Because I know, I know, you know, like the, the Y E O L D E the whatever it says, ye old

1213
01:17:31,620 --> 01:17:32,620
shop.

1214
01:17:32,620 --> 01:17:36,780
Well, the, the Y E is pronounced the like that's how it's pronounced.

1215
01:17:36,780 --> 01:17:37,780
It's just the old.

1216
01:17:37,780 --> 01:17:38,780
Yep.

1217
01:17:38,780 --> 01:17:41,900
You know, you don't say ye oldie.

1218
01:17:41,900 --> 01:17:46,700
That's just you're reading it phonetically when, you know, linguistically it's the Y

1219
01:17:46,700 --> 01:17:51,100
was T and H back in, back in the day.

1220
01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:52,100
Yes.

1221
01:17:52,100 --> 01:17:55,900
Just like F's and S's were written the same.

1222
01:17:55,900 --> 01:17:56,900
Yeah.

1223
01:17:56,900 --> 01:17:58,980
In a lot of script.

1224
01:17:58,980 --> 01:18:04,460
I do know, I do know the only reason we, we tell people goodbye when we're leaving is

1225
01:18:04,460 --> 01:18:10,300
because some fucker somewhere and fucker is gender neutral and in no way offensive or

1226
01:18:10,300 --> 01:18:12,860
derogatory.

1227
01:18:12,860 --> 01:18:21,100
Some old fucker abbreviated God be with ye to basically goodbye, like God by.

1228
01:18:21,100 --> 01:18:22,420
Great.

1229
01:18:22,420 --> 01:18:24,700
And so now we say goodbye instead of God be with you.

1230
01:18:24,700 --> 01:18:27,340
It's like happy holidays, right?

1231
01:18:27,340 --> 01:18:28,340
Yeah.

1232
01:18:28,340 --> 01:18:35,340
Um, and now that brings us to our last, last word here and it is fitting because some of

1233
01:18:35,340 --> 01:18:40,940
you may have been listening to this podcast and may have even been thinking this word

1234
01:18:40,940 --> 01:18:45,500
at us without even knowing you yourself might be ableist.

1235
01:18:45,500 --> 01:18:46,500
Okay.

1236
01:18:46,500 --> 01:18:53,700
Uh, so our last word for the episode is tone deaf.

1237
01:18:53,700 --> 01:18:55,200
Tone deaf.

1238
01:18:55,200 --> 01:19:02,900
So tone deaf in modern, uh, modern language is somebody who basically doesn't read their

1239
01:19:02,900 --> 01:19:12,580
audience and proceeds to say something very ridiculous to, you know, to be said for that

1240
01:19:12,580 --> 01:19:13,580
audience.

1241
01:19:13,580 --> 01:19:19,160
We had a, we had a guest speaker in for one of our work meetings and we're all underpaid

1242
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:25,100
and overworked and he was, he started out his, with a, with a personal story to try

1243
01:19:25,100 --> 01:19:31,100
and bring us readers in and to try and relate or not us readers, but to try and relate to

1244
01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:33,060
us.

1245
01:19:33,060 --> 01:19:42,380
And he said, well, I was at my second home and I lost my car key to my, to my, uh, uh,

1246
01:19:42,380 --> 01:19:44,580
what was it?

1247
01:19:44,580 --> 01:19:46,380
It was some expensive car.

1248
01:19:46,380 --> 01:19:48,620
Maserati, just calling a Maserati.

1249
01:19:48,620 --> 01:19:49,620
Okay.

1250
01:19:49,620 --> 01:19:50,620
It is Maserati.

1251
01:19:50,620 --> 01:19:53,020
And he was like, I lost the key.

1252
01:19:53,020 --> 01:19:56,540
And so now here I am, I'm about to be stranded at my second home.

1253
01:19:56,540 --> 01:19:59,940
Well, none of us, most of us don't even have a first home.

1254
01:19:59,940 --> 01:20:04,740
I mean, we do cause we got lucky, but like most of our generation can't afford to get

1255
01:20:04,740 --> 01:20:06,380
out of the rent cycle.

1256
01:20:06,380 --> 01:20:13,540
Um, and, uh, he's like, well, instead of paying $800, which is a small sum of money in my

1257
01:20:13,540 --> 01:20:16,140
mind for somebody who has a second home.

1258
01:20:16,140 --> 01:20:20,540
So he's like, because, because the car dealership wouldn't give me a free replacement key and

1259
01:20:20,540 --> 01:20:26,140
wanted me to pay $800, I simply went out and bought a Tesla.

1260
01:20:26,140 --> 01:20:27,940
And that was his story to relate to us.

1261
01:20:27,940 --> 01:20:34,220
So that is the instance of tone deaf in modern modern society where he didn't really know

1262
01:20:34,220 --> 01:20:37,660
who he was talking to.

1263
01:20:37,660 --> 01:20:38,660
I don't know.

1264
01:20:38,660 --> 01:20:39,660
I don't know.

1265
01:20:39,660 --> 01:20:47,060
And we really lit up the, uh, the, uh, the supervisors and managers after that.

1266
01:20:47,060 --> 01:20:52,460
And for a lot of meetings beyond that, we were like, well, I was about to be stranded

1267
01:20:52,460 --> 01:20:56,420
at my second home, but thankfully I bought a Tesla and got out of there.

1268
01:20:56,420 --> 01:21:00,540
Um, and, you know, and like, we all had a good laugh and all the managers like, oh my

1269
01:21:00,540 --> 01:21:01,580
God, we're so sorry.

1270
01:21:01,580 --> 01:21:03,580
You guys, we had no idea.

1271
01:21:03,580 --> 01:21:08,980
Um, you know, and of course they, they, they bought this guy's book and sent it to all

1272
01:21:08,980 --> 01:21:12,620
of us as like a gift, you know, prior to him talking to us.

1273
01:21:12,620 --> 01:21:16,300
And, and then all of us went and promptly, you know, threw it away or sold it to half

1274
01:21:16,300 --> 01:21:17,300
price books or something.

1275
01:21:17,300 --> 01:21:19,460
Um, cause I'm not going to read that.

1276
01:21:19,460 --> 01:21:24,740
Like you don't, you don't know how to relate to people and, uh, bring it to the book shop

1277
01:21:24,740 --> 01:21:25,740
and get trade credit.

1278
01:21:25,740 --> 01:21:26,740
Yeah.

1279
01:21:26,740 --> 01:21:33,780
I'll get $5 out of it, which is more than what I got out of your speech.

1280
01:21:33,780 --> 01:21:34,780
That's awesome.

1281
01:21:34,780 --> 01:21:39,500
Uh, so, but that's like, that's a modern example of tone deaf and, uh, but tone deaf first

1282
01:21:39,500 --> 01:21:41,780
came into use in the 1890s.

1283
01:21:41,780 --> 01:21:46,820
And all I could really find out about tone deaf was, uh, amusea.

1284
01:21:46,820 --> 01:21:52,060
It's a, it's a musical disorder where you literally can't tell tones or pitch.

1285
01:21:52,060 --> 01:21:59,300
So, um, but this one is, is just simply because the term, the word deaf is involved in this

1286
01:21:59,300 --> 01:22:04,260
modern modern saying and therefore could be ableist.

1287
01:22:04,260 --> 01:22:09,700
Have you ever watched the George Carlin special where he talks about the softening of language?

1288
01:22:09,700 --> 01:22:11,660
Uh, no, I haven't.

1289
01:22:11,660 --> 01:22:12,660
Oh, you should watch it.

1290
01:22:12,660 --> 01:22:14,620
I do enjoy some George Carlin though.

1291
01:22:14,620 --> 01:22:16,580
I've been thinking about it this whole time.

1292
01:22:16,580 --> 01:22:26,100
Uh, he went off about how now we call it, uh, PTSD, the acronym before that it was post

1293
01:22:26,100 --> 01:22:27,940
traumatic stress disorder.

1294
01:22:27,940 --> 01:22:30,940
Before that it was shell shock, right?

1295
01:22:30,940 --> 01:22:39,060
Shell shock is a lot more dramatic and to the point that post-traumatic stress disorder.

1296
01:22:39,060 --> 01:22:41,740
And now we don't even say that we just use the acronym.

1297
01:22:41,740 --> 01:22:42,740
Yeah.

1298
01:22:42,740 --> 01:22:49,740
You know, because even saying the post-traumatic stress disorder is too traumatic.

1299
01:22:49,740 --> 01:22:56,780
Well and, and, and, you know, our corporate overlords, um, have a huge like boner for

1300
01:22:56,780 --> 01:22:57,780
acronyms.

1301
01:22:57,780 --> 01:23:03,780
Like everything's an acronym and I myself am acronym adverse or what I tell my managers

1302
01:23:03,780 --> 01:23:05,820
is I'm an AA.

1303
01:23:05,820 --> 01:23:07,540
Um, yes.

1304
01:23:07,540 --> 01:23:08,540
And I always get funny looks.

1305
01:23:08,540 --> 01:23:09,540
I don't know why.

1306
01:23:09,540 --> 01:23:14,460
Um, but I, and then I tell them, oh, that means I'm acronym adverse, uh, because it

1307
01:23:14,460 --> 01:23:20,700
doesn't save any time to give me alphabet soup and then wait for me to ask what it is

1308
01:23:20,700 --> 01:23:21,700
you just said.

1309
01:23:21,700 --> 01:23:29,100
Like that doesn't save me time at work sending emails that are only acronyms.

1310
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:34,220
And then somebody who's not in the loop will get sent this email because we need their

1311
01:23:34,220 --> 01:23:36,060
input for something.

1312
01:23:36,060 --> 01:23:40,260
And then I will have to create a new email saying exactly the same thing, just without

1313
01:23:40,260 --> 01:23:41,260
the acronyms.

1314
01:23:41,260 --> 01:23:47,460
Cause it'll be three sentences of acronym, acronym, acronym, and acronym, acronym, acronym,

1315
01:23:47,460 --> 01:23:48,460
you know what I mean?

1316
01:23:48,460 --> 01:23:50,020
It's like one, one, one, one, one over and over.

1317
01:23:50,020 --> 01:23:51,180
So are you really saving time?

1318
01:23:51,180 --> 01:23:52,520
Mike is what I'm asking.

1319
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:56,860
Could you not save time as long as I don't have to get involved with people who aren't

1320
01:23:56,860 --> 01:23:58,460
directly involved with what I'm doing.

1321
01:23:58,460 --> 01:23:59,460
Yeah.

1322
01:23:59,460 --> 01:24:00,460
But I would say that you have to read your audience.

1323
01:24:00,460 --> 01:24:03,580
And if you think it's something that's going to be forwarded on, like if I, like, you know,

1324
01:24:03,580 --> 01:24:09,300
my, my role is, is fairly technical at times.

1325
01:24:09,300 --> 01:24:13,700
And even the two main systems that we use have acronyms.

1326
01:24:13,700 --> 01:24:18,940
You know, people instead of, instead of saying Salesforce, they'll just type SF.

1327
01:24:18,940 --> 01:24:24,260
But I know not everybody works in Salesforce in our company and I'd rather just type it

1328
01:24:24,260 --> 01:24:28,380
out because it doesn't take that much more time because I'm typing.

1329
01:24:28,380 --> 01:24:29,780
I'm not, I'm not handwriting it.

1330
01:24:29,780 --> 01:24:34,980
And then I don't have to go back and have somebody feel, feel dumb to use another offensive

1331
01:24:34,980 --> 01:24:37,260
term for having to ask what that is.

1332
01:24:37,260 --> 01:24:41,380
Cause they didn't know or having to waste time getting to the answer, getting what I

1333
01:24:41,380 --> 01:24:45,460
need out of them by having to explain an acronym.

1334
01:24:45,460 --> 01:24:49,980
So I'm anti-acronym in my life as much as I can be.

1335
01:24:49,980 --> 01:24:51,740
I should be more anti-acronym.

1336
01:24:51,740 --> 01:24:57,060
I know that I recently had a, wasn't even an altercation.

1337
01:24:57,060 --> 01:25:04,060
And I was just like, they noticed that it was off because I created a configuration file

1338
01:25:04,060 --> 01:25:08,420
for other people, for myself and other people wanted it to save time.

1339
01:25:08,420 --> 01:25:13,060
And it was just STD, which is the standard configuration file.

1340
01:25:13,060 --> 01:25:14,060
It's the STD.config.

1341
01:25:14,060 --> 01:25:19,060
Hey, did you, that's not very nice.

1342
01:25:19,060 --> 01:25:21,060
Did you get Mike's STD?

1343
01:25:21,060 --> 01:25:22,540
No, no, I'm waiting for it.

1344
01:25:22,540 --> 01:25:25,540
I'm, he's going to set, he's going to give it to me tonight.

1345
01:25:25,540 --> 01:25:26,540
Exactly.

1346
01:25:26,540 --> 01:25:32,540
He's like, well, you know, STD is good enough for me.

1347
01:25:32,540 --> 01:25:34,700
It wasn't STI.

1348
01:25:34,700 --> 01:25:37,540
Mike's easy to please.

1349
01:25:37,540 --> 01:25:39,620
Yeah, exactly.

1350
01:25:39,620 --> 01:25:42,540
Change it to whatever you want once you get it.

1351
01:25:42,540 --> 01:25:43,540
Yeah.

1352
01:25:43,540 --> 01:25:54,300
If you don't want to call it crabs, call it whatever you want, baby.

1353
01:25:54,300 --> 01:26:00,340
But I get asked to share a lot of things that I create on the laptop, you know, and I need

1354
01:26:00,340 --> 01:26:02,620
to get better at naming them stuff.

1355
01:26:02,620 --> 01:26:04,660
People can understand.

1356
01:26:04,660 --> 01:26:05,660
Yep.

1357
01:26:05,660 --> 01:26:09,940
Well, that's, I mean, that's okay because they're coming into your kind of like your

1358
01:26:09,940 --> 01:26:11,340
personal workflow.

1359
01:26:11,340 --> 01:26:12,340
Right.

1360
01:26:12,340 --> 01:26:13,340
Yeah.

1361
01:26:13,340 --> 01:26:17,980
But I've said, I've sent emails that have three different files called log, log sheets.

1362
01:26:17,980 --> 01:26:23,980
And it's like, they're not the same thing though.

1363
01:26:23,980 --> 01:26:29,900
I try and name things, my files as descriptively as possible.

1364
01:26:29,900 --> 01:26:39,820
I mean, I take a lot of photos with my DSLR, which is a digital something, something, a

1365
01:26:39,820 --> 01:26:42,780
digital single lens reflex, I believe.

1366
01:26:42,780 --> 01:26:51,020
But DSLR camera is kind of almost common, common speaking now, I guess.

1367
01:26:51,020 --> 01:26:54,740
And now they don't have DSLRs, they have all mirrorless cameras that actually don't have

1368
01:26:54,740 --> 01:26:57,540
a shutter.

1369
01:26:57,540 --> 01:27:02,260
But I don't, I don't rename all the, all the image files, but I put every image file into

1370
01:27:02,260 --> 01:27:05,940
a folder that tells me, you know, I have, I have like the year.

1371
01:27:05,940 --> 01:27:14,140
So I, on my photo, in my photo folder on my computer, it's like 2020, 2021, 2022.

1372
01:27:14,140 --> 01:27:20,180
And then within there, it'll say, you know, Halloween or spooky season or Thanksgiving

1373
01:27:20,180 --> 01:27:21,980
or, you know, like, I'll just name it.

1374
01:27:21,980 --> 01:27:23,740
So I know what it was.

1375
01:27:23,740 --> 01:27:26,980
And then all the files are like, whatever the camera decides to name them.

1376
01:27:26,980 --> 01:27:27,980
Right.

1377
01:27:27,980 --> 01:27:31,300
So that's how log sheets, that's how log sheets became a thing.

1378
01:27:31,300 --> 01:27:37,100
Because they were all on different files, folders, and the folders had completely descriptive

1379
01:27:37,100 --> 01:27:46,380
names and they were not, yeah, obviously nothing to do with any of the other ones, but I knew

1380
01:27:46,380 --> 01:27:47,380
what they were.

1381
01:27:47,380 --> 01:27:48,380
Yes.

1382
01:27:48,380 --> 01:27:49,740
And that's all that matters.

1383
01:27:49,740 --> 01:27:50,740
Right.

1384
01:27:50,740 --> 01:27:52,940
So yeah, that's it for the words.

1385
01:27:52,940 --> 01:27:53,940
I thought that would be fun.

1386
01:27:53,940 --> 01:27:54,940
Fun for you.

1387
01:27:54,940 --> 01:27:59,580
I told Sarah what I, what I was going to do for the episode and she was like, Oh, Mike's

1388
01:27:59,580 --> 01:28:01,900
going to love that.

1389
01:28:01,900 --> 01:28:09,100
It is, and you know, I, and it was fun for me, you know, it's fun to learn.

1390
01:28:09,100 --> 01:28:15,180
And some of the ones, you know, decidedly in my mind, weren't racist or ableist or derogatory

1391
01:28:15,180 --> 01:28:18,180
and some were that I thought initially weren't.

1392
01:28:18,180 --> 01:28:19,180
So.

1393
01:28:19,180 --> 01:28:23,100
A lot of them are just the softening of our society.

1394
01:28:23,100 --> 01:28:24,100
Yeah.

1395
01:28:24,100 --> 01:28:30,900
Not wanting to recognize the brutality inherent to living on this planet.

1396
01:28:30,900 --> 01:28:31,900
Yeah.

1397
01:28:31,900 --> 01:28:34,540
Because people can live very soft lives.

1398
01:28:34,540 --> 01:28:35,540
Yeah.

1399
01:28:35,540 --> 01:28:41,700
If they just so desire, they can live a very soft life.

1400
01:28:41,700 --> 01:28:45,980
And you know, and we talked a little bit about this on one of our other, one of our other

1401
01:28:45,980 --> 01:28:52,940
episodes where slaves don't want to be called slaves or, you know, people don't want you

1402
01:28:52,940 --> 01:28:56,180
to call slave slaves because it's kind of demeaning and they would rather than be called

1403
01:28:56,180 --> 01:29:00,020
enslaved people because that's really what they were.

1404
01:29:00,020 --> 01:29:02,860
And that, and that one makes sense to me.

1405
01:29:02,860 --> 01:29:06,420
Like that makes sense.

1406
01:29:06,420 --> 01:29:10,700
And to me, like enslaved people is almost harsher than slaves.

1407
01:29:10,700 --> 01:29:15,380
You know, that's, that's more in line with the truth of what happened.

1408
01:29:15,380 --> 01:29:18,060
You know, it wasn't that person's choice.

1409
01:29:18,060 --> 01:29:23,860
So I think, I think that might be an instance where it's actually unsoftening it.

1410
01:29:23,860 --> 01:29:24,860
Right.

1411
01:29:24,860 --> 01:29:29,540
Well, it's, it's calling like the Slavic countries.

1412
01:29:29,540 --> 01:29:32,020
Is that racist?

1413
01:29:32,020 --> 01:29:33,020
I don't know.

1414
01:29:33,020 --> 01:29:35,620
It depends on if they're comfortable with their culture or not.

1415
01:29:35,620 --> 01:29:39,880
Well, I mean, those people probably don't think so, but they're called Slavic countries

1416
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:43,380
because that's where Northern Europeans got their fucking slaves.

1417
01:29:43,380 --> 01:29:49,100
So they were just slave regions.

1418
01:29:49,100 --> 01:29:50,100
Okay.

1419
01:29:50,100 --> 01:29:52,660
Well, that's news to me.

1420
01:29:52,660 --> 01:29:53,660
I did not know that.

1421
01:29:53,660 --> 01:29:54,660
Oh yeah.

1422
01:29:54,660 --> 01:29:58,180
That's why they're called the Slavic countries because they would go on rating parties.

1423
01:29:58,180 --> 01:30:03,060
Europeans from the Western and Northern regions would go on rating parties to Eastern Europe

1424
01:30:03,060 --> 01:30:06,460
and steal people and make them slaves.

1425
01:30:06,460 --> 01:30:08,340
So is Yugoslavia racist?

1426
01:30:08,340 --> 01:30:11,020
That doesn't, that country doesn't exist anymore though, does it?

1427
01:30:11,020 --> 01:30:12,540
No, it doesn't.

1428
01:30:12,540 --> 01:30:14,940
No, I guess you don't have to worry about that.

1429
01:30:14,940 --> 01:30:17,180
Czechoslovakia, does Czechoslovakia still exist?

1430
01:30:17,180 --> 01:30:18,380
I'm not sure on that one.

1431
01:30:18,380 --> 01:30:19,380
I don't know.

1432
01:30:19,380 --> 01:30:20,380
I don't know.

1433
01:30:20,380 --> 01:30:23,180
I'm just about done with my cigar.

1434
01:30:23,180 --> 01:30:24,940
This one's been very good all the way through.

1435
01:30:24,940 --> 01:30:29,180
Yeah, I have about an inch left and I would say it's pretty close to being done.

1436
01:30:29,180 --> 01:30:30,180
It's starting to get hot.

1437
01:30:30,180 --> 01:30:31,180
Yeah, it's getting hot.

1438
01:30:31,180 --> 01:30:32,180
And it's been excellent.

1439
01:30:32,180 --> 01:30:33,180
It's been very good.

1440
01:30:33,180 --> 01:30:34,180
Not a lot of flavor change.

1441
01:30:34,180 --> 01:30:39,900
No, here's the question then, and we probably should have smoked this one right after the

1442
01:30:39,900 --> 01:30:41,900
other flathead, the 660.

1443
01:30:41,900 --> 01:30:45,020
Which one do you like better?

1444
01:30:45,020 --> 01:30:46,020
I like them both.

1445
01:30:46,020 --> 01:30:47,780
I like them both too.

1446
01:30:47,780 --> 01:30:50,660
It's hard to say without having smoked them back to back.

1447
01:30:50,660 --> 01:30:51,660
Right.

1448
01:30:51,660 --> 01:30:54,380
They're both great.

1449
01:30:54,380 --> 01:31:00,220
When I go to like a big event and I'm bringing a box of cigars that a lot of people are going

1450
01:31:00,220 --> 01:31:04,740
to pick out of, I always bring some 660s if I have them.

1451
01:31:04,740 --> 01:31:09,860
Or some form of flathead in the box.

1452
01:31:09,860 --> 01:31:11,820
You never had this one before.

1453
01:31:11,820 --> 01:31:13,620
I've never had this one before.

1454
01:31:13,620 --> 01:31:16,620
How many others are there?

1455
01:31:16,620 --> 01:31:20,660
The flatheads, the whole line of cigars, different sizes and shapes.

1456
01:31:20,660 --> 01:31:21,660
Okay.

1457
01:31:21,660 --> 01:31:22,660
Yep, yep.

1458
01:31:22,660 --> 01:31:23,660
Interesting.

1459
01:31:23,660 --> 01:31:26,100
So far, what I've had is good.

1460
01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:31,300
I've had more than just the 660 and the 554.

1461
01:31:31,300 --> 01:31:32,380
Don't ask me the numbers.

1462
01:31:32,380 --> 01:31:33,380
I can't remember.

1463
01:31:33,380 --> 01:31:36,340
But yeah, I liked both of them.

1464
01:31:36,340 --> 01:31:38,900
This one was really good.

1465
01:31:38,900 --> 01:31:43,980
Maybe you took something away from the etymology lesson that we tried to put together for you.

1466
01:31:43,980 --> 01:31:47,740
It is what it is.

1467
01:31:47,740 --> 01:31:51,060
A lot of connotation versus denotation.

1468
01:31:51,060 --> 01:31:52,060
Yeah.

1469
01:31:52,060 --> 01:31:53,060
And also...

1470
01:31:53,060 --> 01:31:54,060
Intent.

1471
01:31:54,060 --> 01:31:55,060
Intent with this speaker.

1472
01:31:55,060 --> 01:31:56,060
Right.

1473
01:31:56,060 --> 01:32:03,100
A lot of people just want to weaken, soften language.

1474
01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:04,100
I shouldn't say weaken.

1475
01:32:04,100 --> 01:32:05,100
Soften language.

1476
01:32:05,100 --> 01:32:06,100
Yeah.

1477
01:32:06,100 --> 01:32:09,220
And look at the context.

1478
01:32:09,220 --> 01:32:13,460
If the people using these words, and they're using a lot of these words, and they're wearing

1479
01:32:13,460 --> 01:32:17,900
white robes and have Confederate flags flying, it's probably racist.

1480
01:32:17,900 --> 01:32:18,900
Right.

1481
01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:19,900
Oh yeah.

1482
01:32:19,900 --> 01:32:20,900
For sure.

1483
01:32:20,900 --> 01:32:26,020
If you've got your aunt's potluck, it's probably not racist.

1484
01:32:26,020 --> 01:32:27,020
Right.

1485
01:32:27,020 --> 01:32:28,020
I don't know.

1486
01:32:28,020 --> 01:32:29,020
It depends on how many...

1487
01:32:29,020 --> 01:32:31,820
It's a potluck for your own dish.

1488
01:32:31,820 --> 01:32:32,820
Probably not.

1489
01:32:32,820 --> 01:32:36,100
It depends on how many brews the uncle has had.

1490
01:32:36,100 --> 01:32:38,100
Then it might turn racist.

1491
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:42,660
But anyway, that's all we have this episode.

1492
01:32:42,660 --> 01:32:43,660
Thanks for listening.

1493
01:32:43,660 --> 01:32:44,660
Be safe.

1494
01:32:44,660 --> 01:33:04,660
Have fun.