Welcome to Nice Ashes, this is Mike.
And I'm Nate.
What are we smoking today, Nate?
We are doing the nub habano, the 5 inch.
So it's about a full inch longer than the rest of their nubs.
Yes, yes, and last episode we did the 4 inch nub and I think that we smoked it too fast
because I let it sit and I smoked a little bit more and Nate and I were talking about
this before the show and it did sweeten up again until about an inch left of the cigar.
So we'll see what we do with this one.
So it's a race, here we go.
Well then we can see if the added inch changes anything about the overall smoke.
Sure.
Sooner not pleasant enough.
Yeah.
We should be disappointed to know one.
Yeah, kind of like how I remember from last episode.
Right.
What are we going to talk about today?
Oh I was going to say, and you said just puff down on this thing right?
Just like in those cartoons you remember watching like the old Looney Tunes when a character
would smoke a cigar and they'd smoke it all in one puff.
So they'd have a full cigar length of ash that would then fall to the ground with perfect
comedic timing.
Yes.
Well I thought we'd talk about visitors.
Visitors, that's an interesting way to put it.
Well visitors from outer space.
Aliens or extraterrestrials.
For those depending on how much research you've done into them.
I've not done a whole lot of research into aliens.
What about you Mike?
I read Bob Lazar's book and I've listened to many, many podcasts about aliens.
Okay so this will be a good topic then for us to talk about.
Did you listen to the Joe Rogan episode with Bob Lazar?
Nope, I don't know who Bob Lazar is.
But I've consumed some other alien media of late so I figured it would be a good thing
and I'm glad that we both don't, and maybe you've heard of, I'm going to talk about Stephen
Greer.
I don't know who that is.
Okay well then this will be perfect because I kind of wanted to look at this whole alien
thing and so it's good that we don't have the same people that we've listened to.
But I think maybe we should start out with, I don't know, do you think we should start
out with, I think we're going to have to.
I think we're going to have to start out with whether you or I, what each of our personal
thoughts are on the existence of aliens in general and then we can probably dive into
if we think aliens have ever visited humans.
Okay, because that's how I was going to break it apart.
I think that it's very likely that alien life exists.
I don't know if that alien life is advanced enough to leave their planet and I have no
idea if alien life has visited our planet.
I think that a lot of the alien stuff that we get is just as if not more likely to be
misinformation by the government.
Yeah, and we'll get into some of that kind of stuff a little bit later, but I too, given
how vast the universe is, believe that there's probably life out there, whether that life
isn't intelligent like we are or not.
I mean, there's different levels of intelligence and statistically speaking, as we rank intelligence,
we're the most intelligent on the planet.
It doesn't mean everybody, your neighbor may or may not be, but we have complex thoughts
and we can enunciate and communicate and there's some other animals that are entering the Stone
Age now.
If you heard about that, the chimpanzees, I think, have entered the Stone Age.
I heard that.
Very particular groups that are with humans.
Yeah.
Close contact with humans.
The other thing is, have they visited humans?
I don't know.
I guess I would say probably not or if they have, probably not recently, not since we've
invented radar and stuff.
I don't know.
But the thing is, is space is so big that anybody looking back from a habitable planet
or potentially habitable planet, and if they're looking at Earth, they're seeing dinosaurs
walking on the face of the planet because the light hasn't got there from us yet.
So they don't know that we're an advanced civilization.
They think we're a bunch of dinosaurs walking around because that's just how that distance
works.
Even though light is super fast, that's how that distance works is they're not seeing
us as we are today.
So for them to say, hey, there's dinosaurs there, why don't we get in our spaceship
and fly for a few million years or whatever.
Who knows how fast they can travel?
Right.
I mean, we can use our imagination to imagine how they could fly faster than the speed of
light, and that's how it would have to work.
I don't know if there's any strong evidence to show that you can fold space like you can
in sci-fi.
Yeah.
It'd be wonderful if we could.
There's lots of hypotheses, theories out there of how to get places quicker than eons.
But then also it's like, well, can they look faster than light too?
Because they would have to also have like a telescope that would be able to look at
the light that we're emitting right now, not the light that we emitted millions of years
ago.
Because otherwise they would still see dinosaurs even if they could get here and the dinosaurs
would be gone.
So it gets really kind of mind boggling and crazy when you start thinking about the distances
in space.
Yes, it is.
It's even more mind boggling to know that the pyramids were landing sites for alien
spacecraft.
Yes.
Actually, you know what?
I just found out that aliens have visited us because my butthole just tingled.
So I think it's my time soon.
Avenge me.
There's a lot of alien abduction stories and they all sound very similar.
That does not necessarily mean that it's aliens doing it or that it's real.
Yes.
I don't know, maybe I'll start with Stephen Greer because I think that's a little more
mainstream and a little and he's I guess he's technically a doctor.
I don't remember of what but not extraterrestrial studies.
He's like a different sort of doctor.
So my wife had started watching Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind, which is like a little
docu-series and then she wanted to watch their feature length documentary called Unacknowledged.
I will say that he definitely is a lot more sane than the Ancient Aliens and History Channel.
So a lot of the Ancient Aliens stuff is they find a human skull and then they look at it
and say, oh, it doesn't have the suture lines.
It has to be alien.
And so I looked it up real quick because you've got the Google machine in your pocket at all
times and I don't watch this stuff.
It was when we were over at somebody else's but it was like, yeah, those kind of disappear
anywhere between age seven and 70.
And so some people die before they disappear.
Sometimes they don't disappear.
Like it's not a huge deal.
Like it's not a medical mystery that should make anybody go and say, well, it doesn't
have the same lines that most skulls have.
So it's got to be an alien.
And that's not even pseudo-science.
That's just wishful thinking on the show's part.
They just get these crazy people in there and they say, okay, what can we randomly say
as aliens today?
Sure.
But this guy, he's a little more methodical and he's apparently got dossiers on lots of
different things.
And they brought in people that allegedly worked for the Air Force in Roswell and they
claimed that their job was misinformation and they weren't able to discuss about things,
but they totally saw something there.
And I guess the Stephen Greer's newest thing is he believes that anybody can contact aliens.
If they want to.
And his belief is that aliens don't want to do us any harm and they're more worried about
us blowing ourselves up than they are of anything else because of our nuclear capabilities.
So already you can kind of tell without getting into any of his alien data or facts, as he
claims, that he's got an agenda.
Right.
The aliens are peaceful.
They're not going to hurt us.
Which there's really, I mean, you know, there's really nothing on our planet to give anybody
that impression.
I mean, look at humanity from the dawn of time, look at animals fighting each other,
look at, you know, I mean, just look at everything in nature.
It's always a struggle, you know?
I suppose you could evolve to the point, right, where you wouldn't need any of that, but...
I always thought it would be interesting to meet aliens until I heard Richard, Stephen
Hawking, I was going to say Richard Dawkins, but Stephen Hawking that did a little speech
about it.
And in this little statement he made, he said that meeting an alien civilization would be
like the Native Americans meeting Europeans for the first time.
And I was like, that is probably the truth, dude.
That is probably the truth.
And it did not go very well for the Native Americans and we are the Native Americans
in that scenario.
So, if there is a more advanced alien civilization, it would be not good for us if we came into
contact with them.
Yeah.
Most likely.
But, so anyway, Stephen Greer believes that, and now I haven't seen, this is his new series
out, The Closing Counters of the Fifth Kind.
But in summation, and again, not having watched it or not being an expert on contacting peaceful
aliens whenever I choose to, you can apparently meditate and get into a deep meditative state
and reach out to the cosmos and communicate with these friendly aliens.
So I don't know much about that other than I don't know if you've heard of a study called
the God Helmet.
So this was a clinical medical study that they did and they built this helmet to stimulate
with electric shocks or electric impulses different areas of your brain.
And they would put it on you and people who would wear this helmet would claim to see
angels in the room.
They would claim to see deceased loved ones in the room.
And so they were, the patients anyway, or the subjects, were 100% convinced that this
helmet allowed them to tear through the life-death veil and see heaven and things.
And they reported, they all reported similar senses of euphoria as the extremely devout
experience in a church service.
So it was stimulating that same area of the brain, whatever area that is, me not being
a scientist or a doctor.
But I was curious because I was thinking that was the first thing that popped into my head
is if you are able to somehow through training or willful delusion activate certain areas
of your brain, you could certainly believe you were communicating with something or somebody.
I mean, it's kind of like how a Ouija board works.
Yes.
Yeah.
You can't have an Ouija board where you're working alone.
You can, but it loses the charm.
Or you have a serious illness.
Yeah, that too.
And then we'll look forward to watching the Hollywood horror film remake of your story.
But in the documentary, so that bit aside, I just figured I had to mention that just
upfront that he has some kind of out there claims.
But for this documentary, he went through and presented all this evidence and his big
thing was stop asking the people that believe that aliens are here to give you proof.
We've given you proof.
There's plenty of proof out there.
And then he proceeded for the hour and a half of the documentary to not really give conclusive
evidence or proof.
So it's kind of hard to take him at face value.
Now I know the Pentagon did release a bunch of UFO papers recently.
Their papers just confirmed the leaked information we already had.
Yeah, that they saw something they couldn't identify doesn't necessarily mean it's an
alien.
That they saw something they claimed they couldn't identify.
Yes.
That's more important.
They claimed they couldn't identify it.
I am partial to the idea that a lot of the alien sightings are a part of like the old
Cold War game and the current geopolitics.
We're seeing this crazy thing that the US military is not capable of.
And here's the evidence that's leaked to blah, blah, blah.
I'm partial to that theory.
It's possible that there's aliens, of course.
I'm not going to deny that.
My fantasy and wonder wants that to be true.
Well yeah.
I first got, not first got introduced to aliens.
It was at a barbecue and no, I mean, of course, like growing up watching Star Trek and X-Files
and things, it was always, you know, aliens were everywhere.
Did you watch Star Trek as a child?
Yeah.
See, I did not.
I saw a couple episodes on UPN9.
Okay.
But we didn't have satellite or anything like that growing up.
So no, my dad had them all on VHS.
Oh, see, my dad was not into it at all.
Okay.
My parents weren't into sci-fi.
They were westerns and old movies and Disney movies and stuff like that.
Yeah.
And earlier on, I think TNG was still on the air and then completely blanking on your favorite
Captain's show.
Deep Space Nine.
Yep.
Deep Space Nine.
And then Voyager and then Enterprise.
And we watched like all of those every week.
You know, there's just over the lake, local.
I know, I think, I think it was, well, okay.
So it was after, this was like during high schools when I kind of really started watching
that stuff because then we had, we actually had satellite at that time.
But the first, the first, I think the first thing that I kind of read that was somebody
seriously like honestly believing that there were aliens that had come down and visited
us was Charites of the Gods by Eric Von Daniken.
And I think I've talked about him before on the podcast, but not regarding aliens so much
as religion because he's a devout, was, is, I don't know if he's still living, a devout
Catholic.
And he kind of went through the entire Bible and explained every miracle as having been
happened or caused by aliens.
And so, you know, he's like, okay, so when Lot's wife turns into the pillar of salt,
it's because the alien warp core overheated and went nuclear and we totally went and checked
the trees.
He did not.
And there's totally radioactive evidence in their, in their bark, in their cross section.
And that's completely 100% fabricated.
He never went to check the trees.
He just wrote it because he thought it sounded nice.
But you know, that was like my first exposure to somebody who was published and believed
that aliens were here and doing things.
It doesn't sound to me like that person believed.
It sounds to me like they were trying to make you profit off of people who didn't have access
to the internet.
Well, and possibly, and this is an older book, you know, from the, I don't know, seventies
or eighties, maybe.
You can say whatever you want 1970 in a pulp novel.
Yes.
And then he made, you know, and he wrote, I think a couple of sequels to that and further
expounded his heavy air quotes beliefs.
Right.
But you know, a further like moral character research into him, not that that, you know,
we, you know, poo poo the police for doing this when they go and try and, you know, arrest
somebody.
But you know, he is convicted of some crime somewhere.
So he's not necessarily the most straight laced person.
And it's different because we're not armed and going to try to apprehend him.
We're just talking about his ideas.
So when you say it sounds like somebody trying to make a profit, that's definitely not out
of the realm of possibility.
No.
And I think a lot of it's scamming, a lot of it's scamming because I used to listen
to late night NPR, you know, okay.
And that NPR would be talk radio.
And it was coast to coast.
You ever listened to coast to coast?
I haven't listened, but I'm vaguely familiar.
People would call in claiming to be aliens and people would call in claiming to be alien
experts.
And the host would have conversations with people who claim to be possessed by aliens.
Perfect.
Right, and that's kind of how I feel about a lot of the alien stuff.
Yeah.
And I think that is probably the biggest hurdle is if you believe or if you have found, let's
just say you've found concrete evidence of alien visitation.
The problem is anytime you mention the word alien or extraterrestrial or UFO or what have
you, you attract all of these like really nutty people.
And as soon as the nutty person tries to associate themselves with you, you become discredited.
So even if you had all of the data and you're ready to go and brief somebody on this, you're
never going to get that brief out before somebody makes a crack about it or associates you with
a crackpot or any of those things.
So it feels like it's a very difficult field to try and prove conclusively without grabbing
like an actual flying saucer with an alien coming out of it.
And even then, with all the deep fake technology we have today and CGI stuff, there's almost
no way to know for sure.
Unless you see it with your own eyes.
Yeah.
It's difficult.
I listened to a program called Mysterious Universe.
Have you ever heard of this?
No.
My good friend who's a crazy hippie, he introduced me to the show and they talk about some things
that are true.
A lot of it is alien abduction and crazy stuff like that.
Yeah.
And there's a lot of similarities in a lot of the stories.
Usually it's people who have, they're seeking out aliens or something of that nature and
they find it.
Yeah.
Right.
If you look for something, you're going to find it as the saying goes.
And I think that that's a big part of it too, are people who have mental health issues potentially
already convinced themselves that they're seeing something weird.
I know that Skinwalker Ranch seems to have a lot of crazy shit happening at it.
Yep.
And the government tries to put a stamp down on that, which tells me it might be just a
cover up for a military base potentially.
Yeah.
Or they might just randomly pick something from the History Channel's lineup and say,
let's just stamp down this one thing and then that'll keep everybody looking over there
and continue doing our stuff over here.
Bob Lazar is kind of a similar story to that where you don't know who Bob Lazar is.
No.
Okay.
Bob Lazar was a guy who claimed to work at Los Alamos nuclear testing facility and he
got hired to work on a secret military base that does in fact exist.
And he claimed that there they were working on ships that were crashed.
And he has a lot of crazy stories attached to that.
And he wrote a book and he went on Joe Rogan.
And one of the things about Bob Lazar that makes his story believable was that the government
did actively try to unperson him in the 80s and the 90s.
So they tried to deny that he worked for the government at Los Alamos, which he proved
he produced documents saying that he did.
And there's no record that he ever went to MIT, but yet somehow he was hired to be a
rocket scientist at Los Alamos nuclear facility.
Okay.
You know what I mean, like real questionable, but well, where did he, he's got only has
a record of ever graduating high school, but you hired him to be a rocket scientist at
a government nuclear facility.
That seems legit.
He also produced documents proving that this military base of the government denied and
then after a time admitted existed.
So he knew about a military base that the government said didn't exist.
And then now they say it does.
Okay.
And he also predicted an element on the periodic table that didn't exist yet being discovered
before it was discovered.
Okay.
There's some interesting information that he's had.
So a lot of the evidence, it's all circumstantial to an extent, other than the Los Alamos lab
thing, there's like very solid evidence to prove that the government's trying to unperson
him.
Yeah.
And force him into a bad position in life.
And he's done some shady things as a result.
Again, one of those kinds of things where he was caught kind of scamming people, but
that was after he kind of was unpersoned by the government.
Okay.
And he claims that the government does have nuclear spacecraft and they are trying to
learn from them.
Yep.
Well, and it's interesting because even in the Steven...
Also, by the way...
Oh, sorry.
Go on.
Sorry to cut you off, but...
No, no.
...Bablazar also said that it is possible that it was a setup and that they allowed
him to see this stuff knowing he would come forward to the news in an attempt to threaten
the Russians.
Okay.
Like an advanced kind of like plot.
Yep.
And he's admitted as part of the Cold War.
He fully admits that everything that he saw might be a lie.
Yep.
Well, that's interesting.
It does very much appear that he is at the receiving end of a conspiracy against him
by the government.
Yeah.
For sure.
But anyway, go ahead.
So and you can just get one of those, it doesn't have to be alien related.
The government just has to decide to not like you.
And then boom, you're at the receiving end of a conspiracy.
But I was going to say it was interesting because the Steven Greer documentary brought
up...
Well, they were so nervous because they brought up at the beginning that these aliens are
peaceful and they just want to communicate with us and they're so advanced.
And one of the big complaints against the whole documentary is, well, if they're so
advanced and peaceful, where are they?
What are they doing?
They can't shut down our nuclear sites or anything like that.
So but at the end of the documentary there, they were kind of positing or putting forth
that they believed that the United States government could fake an alien invasion and
that they have the technology and the aircraft to do so.
And the average citizen would not be any wiser.
Like the average citizen wouldn't be able to tell if it was a government craft or an
alien craft.
So I think that tells you just how far possibly some of our military technology has come.
But the point of that would be, again, further controlling the populace.
Or in the documentary, it would be to wage war against the peaceful aliens.
But I think in the government scenario, faking an alien invasion, it would be solely to control
us, the people, and have nothing to do with actual aliens.
Yeah, it'd be a version of Atlantia versus Oceania or whatever.
I can't remember the three nation states in 1984 anymore, but it would always have war.
Yeah, it'd be similar to the war on terror.
Well, if you want to bring it to reality, yeah, the war on terror is perfect.
The war on Ukraine, potentially.
We'll see in time.
Yeah, I guess the Ukraine forces pushed Russia back and then found a mass grave.
But then when you think of the two most corrupt countries in the world are Russia and Ukraine,
I don't know about world, but they're up there.
You know, it really makes you wonder when you get some of this news and you're like,
wow, did they really find a mass grave though?
Because that's all the Ukraine needs is Russia to do something completely atrocious to get
the backing of everybody and get a full blown like world war going over there.
Let's say there was a mass grave.
Was it the Russians that created the mass grave or was it the Ukrainians?
I've heard no evidence to prove that.
Also another good question.
We know that they had a very difficult time with coming out with press releases that don't
have Nazi references in them.
They just released something the other day about a little boy that saluted the tanks
that went by to the front and in the background there were little girls doing the Nazi salute
to the same said tanks.
Okay.
Yeah.
Oh, it's the propaganda is strong.
Well, and that's something happening right here on earth.
So we don't know what's going on over there.
And so I think it's very difficult to say that anyone, any one person would know what's
going on with aliens and whether they're here or not.
Right.
Well, did you see the, this was maybe, I don't know if it was real recent, Putin sent out
a message to the American public about American inflation.
Did you see that?
No.
It was very interesting.
You should seek it out.
I can send you a link.
Okay.
But Putin basically said that America's experiencing inflation because the U S government has been
printing money like mad over the last several years and that our money supply has been inflated
by 40% and we should expect to see 40% inflation.
That's the direct result.
Yeah.
More or less it's more complicated than that obviously.
Well, yeah.
That's kind of where Russian propaganda, at least the stuff that I've seen, which we've
discussed on the show and personally, it's hard to, because they're banning Russian propaganda,
it's even harder to know what they're really saying.
We only get little snippets that happen to make it through the firewall.
Yep.
And most of the propaganda I hear is just the Russian government telling the truth about
the American government.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, the Russian government isn't telling lies as well.
They certainly are.
I just haven't happened to hear any of those lies recently.
It doesn't take a whole lot to talk smack about our government.
In my opinion, the most effective propaganda is true.
Yeah.
Well, and by and large here, if you're watching American media, you only hear what the government
wants you to hear.
Even if it's something that you think is super benign, but if you watch, you know, like the
BBC or, you know, just the different countries coverage of the event that happened in America,
sometimes it's drastically different.
Well, the BBC is propaganda as well.
Yes, but it's different propaganda so they don't propaganda size the exact same points
that America does.
So if you're watching the same news story or a news story about the same news event
and you watch the United States media versus, you know, the BBC, there's going to be enough
differences that kind of make you realize that somebody's intentionally messing with
the facts here.
Oh, yes.
That's like in our news, they try to say that Russians are being squeezed by American sanctions.
But I watch a channel by a Danish guy that lives in Siberia and he's been doing updates
on the prices in his local Siberian town.
Yeah.
And none of the prices have gone up.
Not, I mean, I guess maybe it's Russian propaganda, but that'd be pretty deep level involvement
with this fucking random dude that lives out in the middle of nowhere.
Yeah.
Literally shows you with his camera, he walks into the store with the camera and shows you
the prices on the shelves in the store on the side of the street.
It's all a set, man.
It could be a set.
I'm doubting it though.
It could be like, it's the Truman show.
Yeah.
It's the Truman show in the wilderness.
It could be, like I say, he does woodsman videos.
That's why I watched him back.
I started watching him before all this stuff happened.
Yeah.
But yeah, I don't think, I'm not even sure if he's a Russian citizen, to be honest with
you.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
So I think I'm about halfway done with the cigar.
And I think the same as last time really, it's been really consistent throughout.
Very consistent.
I don't...
I'm trying to smoke it a little slower this time.
As am I.
I'm not getting a lot of depth of character on this cigar for some reason.
Nope.
It's really not well-rounded.
It's one note.
It's a good note.
Yeah.
It's a fine note.
You know, again, I think the Cameroon was better.
Yes.
Yes, I agree.
It's fine.
It's not something I'm right all about.
So far.
We'll see.
So far.
Not that it's bad.
It is something I would podcast about though.
Right.
Maybe it's all the alien talk that's souring my tongue.
Could be.
I don't think so though.
This cigar is the linchpin in our defense against the imminent alien invasion.
And the aliens want this to taste bad to human palates.
So...
Right.
But it doesn't taste bad.
So that's just fantasy that I was saying.
Maybe we should put our addresses down and we'll get some tin foil sent to us to make
some helmets.
But we can really just cook chicken in the oven then.
You're right.
I have plenty of tin foil.
I'm not too worried about it, I guess.
I was really excited.
I went to a store in a different town and they had bullets there.
So I actually got some shotgun ammo for peasant hunting season.
Okay, good.
I got some.22s and some gold dots.
So I saw some gold dots.
And I was like, oh, fuck yeah, I'll get some gold dots.
Did you take your hovercraft and were you wearing your gray man suit in this other town?
No.
I did buy a bucket of.22 rounds though.
Okay.
That was nice.
Down here, the 1400 round Remington buckets, they don't have those here for some reason
anymore.
They get sold out right away, which is super disappointing in my opinion.
Is the.22 ammo still crazy expensive?
They did have.45 and.40 and stuff.
What did you say?
Oh, I was just asking, is the.22 ammo still crazy expensive?
No, it wasn't that bad.
I think it was a hundred bucks for 1400 rounds, which is more expensive than it was years
ago, but inflation and stuff.
Yeah.
You know, we used to be able to buy 550 for about 25 bucks.
So it's not completely unreasonable to spend a hundred for 14.
I don't think.
Yeah.
The most expensive.22 I ever bought, I bought a box of 550 for $75 during the Obama administration.
Okay.
And I had none.
I had no ammo.
So of course I bought it.
And then I traded it later to a guy that needed that ammo more than I.
And that's how you got your alien costume.
Right.
Yeah.
That's exactly it.
And I needed four shot, some four shot at an ounce three ACE at 1450 feet per second.
So just enough to go hunting later in the season.
That's it.
I don't really need a whole lot.
Yup.
I thought about buying more than one box, but I didn't, didn't want to be selfish.
Yup.
So, yeah, I wonder if there'd be any way to know though about the aliens.
Maybe in our lifetime we'll find out, but yeah, maybe it's one of those unknowable things
man until after the fact, you know, like, well, yeah.
And I mean, now we've got the James Webb up there taking amazing photos.
So right.
You know, maybe we'll see something there, but I got to think if there, if, if the alien
life isn't within our solar system or just outside of it, there's no way to ever find
it because there's probably way more uninhabited planets than inhabited planets.
Yes.
So the odds of like happening to point your telescope at one planet where there happens
to be a display you can see from space, you know, millions of miles away is pretty slim.
Extremely slim.
If we ever find out about aliens, I'm going to predict it will be like the Gulf of Tonkin
or any other false flag operation the government does.
Yeah.
And then years and years later, after it's no longer relevant and in the zeitgeist, the
government will admit to their wrongdoing and nobody will pay attention to it.
Like Justin.
People still deny the government wrongdoing because the government released the information
in such a way to where it didn't make the headlines because of course the corporations
and the government are one in the United States, so there's no interest in the news media to
talk about how the Gulf of Tonkin was a fucking false flag and that the United States government
got involved in Vietnam under false pretenses and all those people that went there died
from nothing.
Yeah.
Well, they've been conditioning the American population for a long time and it's only gotten
worse and worse with social media and everything because the collective societal attention
span is so short.
Unfortunately.
Like everybody was up in arms over the Panama Papers and the Pandora Papers.
Well, more so the first one.
And then the second one, they came out and people were talking about it for like maybe
a day and a half and then nothing.
And they were onto the next thing.
What about Ghislaine Maxwell?
Having her to peep from her, about her.
I was at a party and my brother claimed that Ghislaine was killed in prison and I didn't
find any news sources that corroborated that.
No, I don't think so.
I think that's just trying to sensationalize something I think.
Right.
He probably had some misinformation that he received on social media.
Yeah.
And he was like, what about all the people though that were listed?
I still see that Bill Gates is moving around and doing his speeches and not every time
he goes up there, somebody calling him out for being on, you know, Petafal Island.
Yep.
That should be the only thing they talk to him about ever again in public.
Yep.
In my opinion.
And Bill Gates and Elon Musk.
Was Elon Musk on Petafal Island?
I don't know if Bill and Elon were there, but they certainly ran in the same circles
and both have pictures taken with him.
Bill Gates was on Petafal Island.
Many times.
Proven.
I don't know about Elon Musk.
That wouldn't surprise me, I guess.
Well, yeah.
Either way, either way, it wouldn't surprise me.
Who the fuck knows?
But there are certain public figures who were.
Yep.
Stephen Hawking was.
Really?
Isn't that shocking?
On the island?
From what?
Well, from what I've heard, I don't have the full list of like, you know, collaborated
facts of people being there.
Stephen Hawking was.
And I suppose it's one of those things where, you know, if you were there one time, possibly
you would be unaware, but I'd find that still pretty hard to believe.
I would find it very difficult to believe.
You would go to some crazy billionaire's island and not know what was going down.
That's not how it works.
It's not like you invited me to your house and I don't know, before you lived there,
there was some crazy shit going on.
Yeah.
Which there was.
We all know that.
But.
Well, yes.
And we're still working on cleaning that up.
Yes.
Are you really?
No.
Oh, OK.
I was going to say, jeez crease, it's been some time.
Yeah.
You know, but it's like, it's one thing if you're like the average, average person and
there is crazy stuff that happens, you know, like our front door got kicked in, you know,
before we moved in.
And, you know, you don't just go and replace your door frame as an average person.
Like if the door closes and locks and there's a steel plate there now, like that's fine.
We've since replaced the door and the frame.
But you know, if you're a billionaire, it's like if there's something goofy that the previous
owner had done, you just you get that day in care of that day.
You just pay somebody, you know.
Right.
Your reputation should be, would be important.
Yeah.
And if you're a pedophile and you're inviting people to your island, your private island,
they're going to, they're going to know that's something they're going to learn.
Like he's not going to, it's his own private island.
He's not going to tidy up all the pedophilia stuff when he invites people over.
Like he only invites those people over that are into that kind of thing.
Yeah.
I mean, the guess that the non-pedophiles just don't go there.
Yeah.
You know, like we've got the, the listening room downstairs with all the vinyl records.
Guess who I don't invite to the vinyl listening room?
People that don't like music.
I've never been there.
You've been there.
I have.
And I like music fun.
Yeah.
And, and to be fair, it was just an over the shorts kind of thing.
It wasn't anything.
Yeah.
You don't fly on the, on the, on the pedophile palace plane.
Yeah.
80 times.
Yeah.
And you're like, oh, you're not into that.
And you can't tell me like, you can't tell me you thought she was 18.
You know what I mean?
Like we're not talking 17 and a half year olds or on this island.
You know what I mean?
There were some 15s and some 14s.
Yeah.
And some 17s as well.
From what I understand, there was a few, unfortunately.
I'm not, it's not a good thing.
No.
None of them were nine from what I understand.
Of course, I don't really know all the details.
I haven't looked that deep into it.
Well, yeah, it's one of those things I don't really need to look deep into.
Like if your name's associated with, with him, like that's enough for me.
Right.
I know the Clintons were involved.
Yeah.
I gotta say, man, this cigar has gotten very sour and I've been trying not to smoke.
Very fast.
But I just, it's not, uh, I think you gotta be smoking it too fast.
Mine's not that bad.
Okay.
I mean, I'm going to put it down and kind of let it like sit, but I don't know, man,
I'm just getting.
Yeah.
Mine's woody.
I got two inches left or so.
Maybe, uh, yeah, I'd say two inches left.
It's woody.
That's what I got left, but it's, uh, I'm not digging it.
Yeah.
Mine's not, mine's not terrible.
It's definitely one of those ones where you have to let it sit.
If you smoke too fast, it's like a, the little cigarillos.
Yeah.
It's like that where you have to smoke a cigarillo very slow on purpose.
And this is one of those cigars, I think.
Okay.
Just got to take it slow on purpose, slow it down, you know?
Yeah.
So it probably doesn't match my, uh, my smoke style, but.
You used to smoke a lot slower.
I did.
That's true.
But when you start doing a podcast and we're trying to kind of finish at the same time,
which you know, taking out of context could sound, uh, kind of scandalous, but.
Right.
Yeah.
We have to do them in a timely manner, I suppose.
They take what they take, man.
They take what they take.
That's true.
I mean, I'm not trying to rush, I'm not trying to rush through it.
I just try to keep pace with you is what I try to do.
So.
And now that I've been smoking more cigars too, it's easier to, you know, smoke them
at a little quicker pace, I guess.
Um, cause I remember when I, when we first started smoking together, you'd, you'd smoke
almost two to my one.
I do remember that.
Yeah.
Yep.
I would light up a second cigar and be done with it about the same time as you were done
with the first.
Yep.
Which is not a good habit to get into.
Well, too late.
Oh, well.
You enjoyed them.
Yes.
Uh, savored, if you will.
Yes.
Yeah.
These are definitely cigars where you have to like really let them pool, I think.
Yeah.
Which is okay.
It's fine.
Uh.
It is fine.
Yeah.
It's fine.
Yeah, it's so aliens.
Uh, I think a lot of it's nonsense.
There is some real information that comes through, of course.
The Bob Lazar thing is the most convincing evidence I've ever seen, but even he says
that it might be misinformation by the government.
Yeah.
I think he might even be an agent to the government like Alex Jones.
Okay.
Uh, because Alex Jones is fed information by the CIA.
From his own in middle, he's fed information from the CIA.
So some of it's real and some of it's not real.
Yep.
And it wouldn't surprise me if Bob Lazar was a government agent in that sense.
That's why it wouldn't surprise me if your Siberian woods guy is an agent of the Russian
government as well.
It's possible.
It's been talked about in his comments.
Let's put it that way.
Okay.
I mean, it's really tough to say.
It is tough to say.
And he's got a lot of good information about the woodsman stuff.
Oh yeah.
You know, so being a person that lives in the Taiga myself, I enjoy his content.
But it's really difficult to say.
I don't believe that it is misinformation from survival Russia is the name of the channel.
If anybody wants to go and do their own research.
Yeah, go ahead and check it out.
Survival Russia.
I don't think it is misinformation, but it is very possible that it is.
And he stopped, he kind of stopped doing that sort of content with the prices because he
was getting so much blowback.
So I don't know.
Impossible to tell really.
Yeah.
Especially because he does his channel in English.
So it is intended for an American audience.
American and English.
Yes.
So where the English speaking group is a large audience on the internet.
So it is true.
I do occasionally watch videos in non-English, but not very many.
I know that there's a whole non-English speaking internet out there, but I don't participate.
Yeah.
We don't want no part of that.
I do some.
I'll do watch videos and stuff like that.
They get a lot of watches that we don't have access to here.
Especially Japanese domestic market watches, which is mostly what I'm interested in.
You could go there and buy them, right?
Yeah.
You can buy them here.
You just can't get a warranty on them.
Oh yeah.
It's much more difficult to buy them.
You have to go through a dealer.
So there's several dealers that you can go through.
Even some American dealers get access to some of that.
Okay.
Very limited quantities.
Yeah.
Same with bowling balls.
They have international bowling balls that you can't really get in the States, but there
are dealers you can get them through.
I just want everyone to know.
It took Mike 52 minutes to bring up bowling.
Is that a comment that they talk about?
No.
Most of our podcasts go back to bowling when we're done talking about the main topic.
That's because that's what I do.
We still have cigars left to smoke and it's like, well, bowling.
Yeah.
I fucking love bowling.
Yeah.
Bowling season started people.
Yeah.
So that's what I'll be doing weekly.
Now until March, April, something like that.
We'll see.
I want to do the national tournament this year.
What's that?
They have a big national team and doubles and singles event every year.
I don't know where it's going to be this year.
Last year it was in Vegas.
We'll see.
Supposedly they're going to start traveling again to do the big national tournament.
My dad wants to do it, so I'd like to go and bowl with him before he dies.
But he's many years from dying, hopefully, but everybody gets older every year.
It is true.
I would like to go and bowl with him in that event at least once.
And I'd like to bowl with him state this year too.
I don't think our team is going to do as well as my team did last year, but oh well.
They can't do well every year, I suppose.
Yeah, you can.
But everybody else has to do bad then.
Yeah.
By comparison.
Sarah just started painting the entryway to the house too.
Yeah, I saw that.
While she posted stuff online.
Of course she did.
She posted something about reclaiming or whatever, more white walls in the house.
So I commented and said, well, if you run out of white walls there, we got plenty here.
So yeah, she's a big fan of painting.
Yep.
Which is good though.
Yeah, whatever.
Paint's cheap.
Doesn't take much to breathe a little bit of life into a room.
No, no.
I want to do the smoking room eventually.
We have the color picked out.
It's just a matter of getting it done.
But I don't care when it gets done.
Yeah.
Now I know what you're going to say, but I've been letting it sit and then periodically
like picking it back up and it's still like just super sour.
Really?
Uh oh.
Well, maybe the episode's done.
Why?
What'd you do to yours?
No, mine's fine.
Oh.
I was going to say, I don't have that much left and you know, this last, I mean the rest
of the cigar was fine.
It was, it was good.
Uh, it's just, it's always like the last few inches, uh, where it gets really super sour.
So while on these big, big gauge cigars, a lot of them we've had, uh, a lot of success
with smoking them all the way to the nub.
Yeah.
These are, they seem to be more finicky to the speed at which you smoke them.
Yes.
Or they're not really designed and intended to be smoked to the end.
That's also a possibility.
Uh, whether they'll admit that or not, it's another matter.
That is true.
And to be fair, we've only, this is what our third nub on the podcast anyway.
Um, so we don't really have the sample size to say one way or the other.
No we don't.
We just do one.
So yeah, it's hard to be fair.
Mine had a little sour note.
I have about an inch and a half left.
Okay.
And that had a sour, icky.
It hasn't been great for the last half an inch, but it hasn't been offensive either.
Yeah.
Which is not a great recommendation.
It's definitely not as bad as the, uh, cold blood moon.
Oh man.
I mean, you know, everything is like that.
We're not saying this is a bad cigar.
It's just, uh, you know, there, there've been some cigars that we smoked on the podcast
here where the first, uh, first inch, inch and a half has been fairly rough.
And then, you know, it evens out and becomes a really, really good cigar.
This one, uh, these nubs, they start out good, you know, they start out and then they're
consistent.
Uh, but I, but what I've been noticing at least on mine, and maybe it's my smoke speed
as Mike says is the last two inches or so just, uh, just isn't good.
Um, so maybe that's just the, maybe that's just how the nubs are made.
I don't know.
Reviews online would, uh, I guess maybe there's consensus online.
I didn't look.
I haven't looked either.
I know that they've been recommended to me by people who seem to really enjoy them.
Okay.
I, you know, I like them.
They're, you know, a good size.
Um, but I don't like the last few inches, so I'm fine wrapping here.
And the truth is out there.
The truth is out there.
Yeah.
For those who have audible, go and listen to the Bob Lazar book.
Uh, I don't know if I'd read it.
I think it'd be too difficult to read as far as that.
It wasn't that interesting for me to sit down and read or listen to the Bob Lazar episode
of the Joe Rogan podcast.
That was extremely interesting.
And it had all of the information that the book had more or less less detail, of course,
but it gets you all the basics of the Bob Lazar story.
And I would recommend it.
It's kind of fun fantasy.
I would say it's kind of like the, uh,
The Air Force guys that claim to have seen the tic tacs.
Have you heard of the tic tac?
No.
Uh, there's been several Air Force pilots that have claimed to see UFOs.
And a lot of times it's a tic tac that's flying around and doing things that are our current
technology cannot achieve.
Okay.
And the government, that's one of the things that the federal government confirmed was
true that they do a footage of this tic tac that they don't know what's happening.
Okay.
Which a lot of people are saying is potentially a flex and not actually alien technology.
Oh, got it.
Right.
It's kind of one of those leaks where, yeah, we have this technology, but they don't want
to say they have the technology.
Yeah.
All those kinds of deals.
Do your research.
Check into it if you're interested in aliens, try meditating and contacting them if you
want to get off the planet for a little bit.
Otherwise, thanks for listening.
Be safe and have fun.