Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Nate.
And I'm Mike.
What do we got tonight Mike?
Today, whenever you're listening.
Whenever you're listening.
What do we have when you have it?
We have the Nub 4-inch Habano.
I was giving this the old SNAS test, and it smells more interesting than the Cameroon
which we smoked last episode.
Yes.
It smells much darker, well it looks much darker too.
I found, in my head I've always thought of myself as a Maduro guy.
But you've been digging the Connecticut's.
I've been digging the Connecticut's and the Cameroon's and the lighter stuff.
So not that I'm not liking the Maduro's.
Well yeah, of course.
Maybe my palate is changing.
Because I used to be really into English pipe tobacco as well.
And that stuff's really earthy, I like that.
Yeah so do I.
I like the spiciness of it.
But lately I've been going more towards the high end flavored and lighter tobaccos as
well.
So maybe in my old age, quote unquote old age, I am expanding my palate.
I don't want to get too deep into this, but I did try the Kalt Blood Red Moon pipe tobacco.
Oh did you?
With Dave.
And Dave has done a lot of aromatic tobaccos.
And we were sitting out smoking it and I built a fire back here out on our patio.
And I was telling Dave that this was my very first aromatic pipe tobacco.
And I've been smoking a pipe for two plus years now.
And he was very surprised that I hadn't had a flavored tobacco yet in my pipe.
Wow.
See and I've tried a lot of flavored pipe tobaccos.
And I don't like them usually.
Yeah and that's what I thought, but that one was really nice because it's not overly...
And I don't want to get too much into it because we're going to do...
Hopefully we're going to do some little like special episodes with pipe tobaccos.
But I'm a fan.
I like that one.
Alright that's pretty much the first flavored pipe tobacco that I have found that I really
liked.
And I've tried the CAO cherry and I really like that one too.
Okay.
See I got the CAO cherry bomb and the Colt blood red moon in a pack.
In that pack from...
They had it on a huge discount on pipesandcigars.com.
Not a sponsor.
And I just got both because it was super cheap.
And I've only tried the blood red moon so far.
In my opinion the CAO cherry is not as good.
But I also have all of the CAO flavored tin tobaccos.
I want to try the Mood France.
Yes.
So do I.
I want to try all of them.
We're going to do some special episodes.
It is...
What is it?
It is September here.
It might be October by the time this episode goes live but in the winter it's a lot easier
for me to smoke a pipe because it smokes a lot quicker than a cigar.
So we might be recording some special episodes over the winter here.
For our listeners.
You know what?
This one doesn't taste overly bitter at start.
And I'm getting a...I don't know if nutty is the right sense but it's kind of like a
sweet nut.
It's interesting because my sense of smell is not very good.
And not because of COVID.
It's just it's never been very good.
Like I can smell things.
But Sarah will always smell things first and be like do you smell that?
And then if I really inhale I can smell whatever she's talking about.
Sure.
So I think because I don't have a highly attuned sense of smell that maybe my taste isn't as
highly attuned either.
But I'm trying my best for this podcast to explain what it is I'm tasting but a lot of
times I just don't know.
Other than if I like it or don't.
So sure.
I'm getting nuttiness and that traditional kind of alcohol-y flavor that you get at the
start of a cigar.
You know what I mean?
That really high note.
That almost like liquor.
I like this one.
I'm only a couple puffs in of course but...
I had some waiting issues so I just lit mine.
I'm about an eighth of an inch in.
So I wanted to talk about this and I was telling Mike in between episodes here that I'm drinking
the...I bought this as a single from Trader Joe's because Trader Joe's is one of the few
liquor stores you can just walk into and crack open a pack on the shelf and buy one can or
one bottle.
But I bought this big, big tall boy can of Toplin Goliath Brewery.
The King Sue Double India Pale Ale.
And if you go to the Natural History Museum or the Field Museum in Chicago, they brewed
the Sue beer for Sue, the Tyrannosaurus Rex, which is on display there.
And this is the double IPA version of that.
And it's brewed in Decora, Iowa of all places.
And we talked about Iowa on our last episode.
But this one's got like some mango, orange, and pineapple in it.
And I'm just reading that from the can.
I can't taste hardly anything.
I mean, that's not true, but like I don't have the palette.
So I think it's a good pairing with this little bit darker Habano.
We did say we were smoking the Nub Habano, right?
Yes.
You know, I don't have a great palette either.
So I like dark roast coffee.
I like medium roast coffee as well under certain circumstances.
But I have never found a light roast coffee where I was like, ooh, this is wonderful.
Okay.
And normally we drink, like I drink when I go buy coffee in the store, in the grocery
store, I always pick the light roast.
Sure.
So you and I get medium.
Because.
And dark.
Because.
I read somewhere that light roast coffee has more caffeine than dark roast.
I've always been under that impression as well.
We always, we usually get the Cameron's, which is local, you know, it's a Minnesota coffee.
And they've got some good light roasts.
Sure.
And they've actually been branching out now and they've got like a Hawaii, a Hawaiian
blend and a Norwegian blend.
Their woods and water is really nice.
So if you see that you should pick up at least a small bag and just give it a try.
I'm really, I'm a big fan of their velvet moon.
Ooh, that one's good.
Is that their espresso, right?
Yep.
That's the medium, medium dark espresso bean.
And it's wonderful.
That is very good.
Very good.
But I drink a lot of different coffees from a lot of different places, local places usually.
And you drink a lot of tea.
I do.
Which we've talked about before on the podcast here.
Yep.
I am a tea guy.
There's one company, now I can't remember the name of it, but I drink several of their
teas and they're out in North Carolina.
Okay.
And they're quite good.
I suppose I could look it up for everybody.
You might as well give a shout out.
I mean, we don't have any sponsors, so you know that this is unsolicited recommendation,
which sometimes are the best recommendations.
I think Oliver Pluff and Company.
Okay.
Yeah, Oliver Pluff and Company.
And they make some pretty good teas also.
I got the first one I got from Mount Vernon.
They had the colonial Bowie tea.
Okay.
And it's kind of smoky.
Very good.
Now I've been to a lot of places in the country, but I have never been to either Carolina.
And I've heard that kind of both Carolinas, because they've got a lot of coastline too.
And I've heard that they're very, very beautiful places to visit.
And one of our old coworkers has a family pecan farm out in one of the Carolinas.
Okay.
They're from South Carolina, by the way, not North Carolina.
I'm not sure if I said North.
I don't remember.
I don't remember either.
They're kind of the same thing, like Virginia, West Virginia.
It's just Virginia.
Well, no, because West Virginia-
Let's not fight.
Weren't a bunch of traders 150 some years ago, 160 years ago, whatever it is now.
Well, and I only said that because I knew that both Virginias, we're going to get upset
at that.
I think you're going to get more upset about the trader part.
That too.
But I don't know.
I'd like to go visit the Carolinas because you never, I mean, you hear about them sometimes,
but it's not really, you know, being from the Midwest, you don't really hear about the
Carolinas a whole lot.
They have some good beaches there.
I know that.
Yeah.
For beach people.
I mean, if I can, if I can drink and sit in the shade, I'm a beach person.
Right.
I've always wanted to go to one of those resorts in Central America that has an in-house cigar
roller.
Let's do that.
Yes.
I've always wanted to do that.
All we have to do is bring one of our mics and then that could be a special episode.
We should get that resort to sponsor an episode.
We should.
Yeah.
We can drink rum or whatever the local liquor is, tequila and some cigars.
So in between episodes here, I was telling Mike that I discovered my coworker also likes
cigars and I had no idea.
And I was trying to tell him to go and watch the Arnold Schwarzenegger tequila cigar.
And he goes, no, no, no, I've already tried that.
And we've tried Brandy and they're both great.
So Mike and I have tried tequila and we tried vodka, which was not great.
We do not recommend vodka.
But Brandy sounds interesting.
And so I think we might have to try a Brandy cigar.
Yeah.
My favorite Brandy is Osbock Uralt and I think that'd be good.
Yeah.
And I think that's got just enough of the sweetness.
Yes.
Oh yes.
You know what I mean?
Like I don't ever, unless you get a flavored vodka, it's not overly sweet.
No.
Tequila's got the sweetness because it's like the agave.
Right.
It's got some taint to it too.
Yeah.
It's got a very good flavor profile or whatever for mixing with other things.
And I think the Brandy, I think like, and we had been like, I don't know, philosophizing
about this, right?
Like which other liquors could we possibly soak our cigars in?
Right.
I remember when I tried whiskey and you were, Oh no.
Well, no, I'm not, Oh no.
I think we should.
But I think the whiskey might be one where the type of whiskey we pick.
Oh yes.
It's going to be huge.
I think with tequila, you could almost do any tequila and it would be fine.
Right.
We just use the cheap, well, relatively cheap tequila.
Yeah.
But I think with whiskey, you really have to pick, you have to be discerning with the
whiskey.
You can't pick like just bottom, bottom shelf.
No, you probably don't want to use screaming Eagle and you probably don't want to pick
like a Elay malt either.
No.
First real smoky, you know, like I don't know how that goes.
You don't want the PD, earthy, smoky.
Right.
You want something a little lighter probably.
Yep.
Something nice and sweet.
Maybe a Whistler.
That might be all right.
Yeah.
The Whistler might be fine.
And they've got a couple of different variations of that too.
Yes.
I got some basil adens at the house now.
We could maybe use if I still around by that time.
Yes.
I mean, I can be there in a couple hours.
So.
Right.
So we'd rum.
I think rum would be good.
Yes.
Would you do just the white rum or would you do the spiced?
Oh, I'd do a spiced rum.
Yeah.
I'd get something good.
Yep.
We can do white rum too, but I think spiced rum would be the ticket.
Yeah.
I think the white rum would be too close to the vodka.
Right.
And it just wouldn't be, wouldn't be magical.
Right.
Oh, good white rum has sweetness to it.
But yeah, Bacardi is trash.
Yeah.
Except more like the real McCoy or, you know, a real Barbados rum of some kind.
Yes.
But.
Not sure how discerning people are on their liquor, but I tend to be fairly picky.
Yeah.
And what I've heard, and I don't know, it's not necessarily always true.
But what I've heard is, you know, it's kind of like just one of those sayings where there's
a little bit of truth in it.
But for the clear liquors, you can be less discerning and you need to be pretty picky
with the brown liquors.
Sure.
You know, I mean, a spiced rum is a spiced rum.
Not always.
Not, not always.
Not always.
I've had spiced rums that were, had fruit notes and were extremely good, like straight.
Just drinking it was really good.
And then I've had clear liquors that are, the Carcob vodka is not good.
No.
But I also think like it depends on what you intend to do with this liquor.
Like if you're mixing it, that will play a role in the decision.
Sure.
That is true.
I've gotten away from mixing my liquor at all.
Yeah.
Mr. Whiskey Sour over here.
Well, yeah.
I mean, I like my whiskey sours.
This is like-
Well, who doesn't?
I'm not, I'm not naysaying that.
I'm just saying like, you know.
It's like the way I make, quote unquote, make a whiskey sour at home is I do a shot of whiskey,
a shot of lemon juice, and then just club soda to fill up the rest of the glass.
I put it in a beer glass with ice in it.
So it's a, it's definitely a mixed drink, but I'm not putting brown pop in it or something.
Or like three tablespoons of sugar.
Right.
Yeah.
There's no sugar.
Or simple syrup is what they use, right?
Yeah.
You can use simple syrup.
I don't have any of mine.
I made them with simple syrup and I don't like it.
I don't like the overly sweet, you know.
Yeah.
If I'm doing like-
I think it should bring the sweetness up enough by itself.
If I'm doing a one-off drink, I could do a sweet, you know, like a sweeter, more fruity
drink, but I'm not going to sit there and drink those all day long.
Well, I make a whiskey sour and a vodka sour in the same way.
I just substitute vodka for the whiskey.
Yeah.
Well, and I, I tend to prefer the vodka martinis to the gin martinis.
Ah, as do I.
Okay.
As do I.
I like gin in sweet drinks, funnily enough, like a smash, you know?
Yeah.
I did, I drank when I was in London, I spent a month there on a film internship and I was
there with a New Yorker and we didn't have money really.
So we went to this like local, local, local bar, which is no longer there, which makes
me sad.
But it's not like I'm going to be able to go there soon.
But we did, we did gin and Coke and that was our mixed drink.
It's cheap.
And it actually didn't taste terrible.
So I had a friend in college that used to drink vodka and diet Coke.
Okay.
And it was, I mean, it was fine when I was 20.
Yeah.
Well, that's one of the things is like, it could still be fine now, but it just depends
on the situation.
Like if that's all they had or like the super fruity stuff.
Not that, not that the super fruity stuff is bad because of like, you know, masculinity
or anything like that is just, I don't prefer that.
Yeah.
You know, one is more than enough.
I, you know, I do enjoy a good mimosa, but I've only ever had, I think one or two of
those.
Sure.
I like mimosas.
I like margaritas.
Yeah.
Margaritas are good.
Do you just get it with the ice or do you get it all blended up?
I like it both ways.
Okay.
What I really like is when you use the brand Mariner as the sweetener.
Okay.
Yeah.
So you have the lime juice and then you have your tequila and you have brand Mariner and
that's what sweetens it up is the brand Mariner, not a sugary glob of, you know, strawberries
or something.
Yep.
But that's really, I would consider that as more of a sour, a sweet and sour.
Yes.
I like, I like a lot of sours, especially since they do a lot of them with fruit, you
know, like it's a fruit, a fruited sour.
Right.
Well, I'm probably halfway.
Oh yeah.
I'm halfway.
Not a lot of flavor change.
Nope.
It's still nutty.
Very good.
Very smooth.
Yeah.
And it started that way.
There really wasn't much hint of bitter at the, at the get go.
So this one is, has been a little more consistent, although I appreciated the flavor change in
the Cameroon.
Kind of the more sweet.
Yes.
I like the flavor change as well, but this is also very good.
Oh yes.
I would not turn my nose up at it for sure.
Absolutely not.
Definitely darker.
Yep.
Yeah.
By, by quite a bit from the Cameroon, even though the wrapper, the wrappers weren't that
far off shade wise.
No, they looked pretty similar.
The band gave it away.
Yep.
But yes, I, if you were to take the bands off, you could easily mistake them.
Yeah.
I liked both of them so far.
Yeah.
I think it's good.
I'm trying to decide like if I had both in the humidor, which one would I grab?
And I think that'll be a question that we can ask at the end when we, when we get there
to the end of the cigar.
Right.
Well, so far they're both good.
They're different, but they're both very good.
Yes.
But I'm, I'm thinking about like my personal preferences and your personal preferences.
Um, but that maybe we'll come back to that when we're closer to the end of the, of the
stick and we'll, we'll try and decipher which of these two, and we've only done the two
so far in the, in the nub series and we've got five more after this.
So it's not definitive until we've smoked them all.
No, no, it's not.
I think we're probably going to like all of them.
Maybe there'll be a dud in there.
Oh, I'm sure we're going to like all of them to some extent.
Right.
There's always a dud somewhere.
Yeah.
They can't even with the Rocky Battelle's.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
You know, there were some that were like, ah, probably not.
Probably not again.
Not, not, you know, I'm not going to spend $12 for it.
That's for sure.
Yeah.
If somebody else is like, here, do you want to smoke this?
I'd be like, yeah.
Right.
Um, but that, but they say that about, um, they say that about beer too, right?
Like you can't ever say anything bad about a free beer.
Right.
Yeah.
It's free.
You know, it's, that's just like common, common courtesy, a common etiquette, you know, if
somebody is giving you something, it's not bad.
Right.
I was at a bowling alley.
Shocker.
Oh my God.
You, you went to one of those seedy places, Mike.
I know.
Right.
I had a mango cart wheat and I tried that and then I was like, ah, I want something
dark.
So I had them look through and they didn't have a single dark beer.
Okay.
And I was talking to the bar manager.
I'm like, you guys don't have Guinness.
That's like the bud light of dark beer.
You know, if you have a fully stocked bar, which is a huge bar, you would think that
you had at least one dark beer there as a standard.
Every winter that particular alley gets snow drift, which is a Lanning Google's vanilla
porter.
And it's a little too sweet.
It's very sweet.
Yeah.
It's good though.
I like it.
I do.
I'm glad you like that, Mike.
You don't like it.
A lot of people don't.
I had a, well, I had a huge falling out with Linies.
When I first started getting into craft beer after college, I drink a lot of Linies and
then I started branching out and drinking more things.
And what really kind of sealed the last nail in the coffin for me for Linies was I drank
something called like a sunset wheat.
Okay.
And that's what it's called, sunset wheat.
And I drank it and I was like, this tastes like the milk leftover in the bowl after you
eat fruity pebbles.
Yes.
And it was terrible.
Like I felt like I was just drinking the milk.
I'm going to keep saying milk for all of our listeners in Oklahoma and South.
You can make fun of that pronunciation, but it was, it tasted like that super sugary,
sweet fruity milk.
Yes.
And I don't want that in a beer.
And then ever since I tasted that, I was hypersensitive to all the sweetness they put in all their
beers for most of them.
And you know, Barry Weiss is horrendous.
Oh God.
In my opinion, the sub, you know what, the, you know what I, the summer shandy is fine
in the summer, but it's gotta be, it's gotta be like an 80 or 90 degree day.
I don't like it.
It's too sweet.
I would, you know what, I would rather drink one of those natter days than a Linies anything.
They're juicy.
Peach is good.
It doesn't really taste like beer though.
It tastes like a, like a peach seltzer.
See, that's the problem.
Like if I want a peach seltzer, I'll go buy a peach seltzer.
I don't want it in my beer.
Their grapefruit shandy is pretty good.
Also very sweet.
One of my friend's wives really likes that.
Everything's overly sweet.
It is.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't like honey Weiss either.
I know that's like border bordering on sacrilegious in this area.
Yeah.
I don't think it tastes like honey.
Well, okay.
Okay.
Would you rather drink a spotted cow or honey Weiss?
Probably a spotted cow.
Perfect.
Great.
We can still be friends.
Yeah.
Probably a spotted cow.
I would say spotted cow every time pretty much.
Yeah.
I recently had a honey Weiss for the first time in years and it was on tap at the lot.
Yeah.
When we went to the Linus Lodge.
Yeah.
I mean, it's cool to go there, but everything they have is like overly sweet and that's
kind of what they've like dug their heels in.
And that's-
I like their, they used to call it creamy dark and now they call it whatever dark.
It's kind of a lighter dark beer, like a medium body beer.
And I like it.
That was the first dark beer I tried that I liked when I was younger.
I'm not opposed to like drinking a Linus here and there, but I'm not ever going to go buy
a six pack.
You know what I mean?
I don't think-
Sure.
Well, I don't buy the snow drift and bring it home.
I only drink it at this one bowling alley that I know is going to have it on tap.
Okay.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Well, and on tap is different.
Yes.
You know, if I had the opportunity to drink a Linus on tap first in the can or bottle,
it'll be on tap.
Right.
But I'm not buying it to bring home, like you said, you know?
Yeah, no.
I like Guinness.
I buy Guinness and bring it home.
I like Guinness a lot.
Oh yeah.
Guinness is great.
And even their Harp Lager is good.
Yeah.
I like Harp.
I like Smidtichs.
Oh, Smidtichs is great.
Yeah.
Smidtichs is good.
Yep.
I'm a big fan of the snake bite, which I guess there's a lot of different versions of a snake
bite, but it's half Guinness and half Magners as far as I'm open.
As far as-
Okay.
I learned the term.
I know that there's a shot called a snake bite.
Yeah.
But what I mean is a layered drink with Magners and Guinness.
And I like black and tan.
Oh yes, me too.
Have you tried the Killian's Irish Red?
Yes, I've had Killian's.
Okay.
That's pretty good.
I didn't like it the first time I tried it.
It's totally not an Irish beer though.
Right.
I had a, my roommate in college was huge.
He had a huge Irish boner for all things Irish and that was the only beer he would drink.
I mean, he would drink Guinness and Smidtichs, but Killian's was cheaper and it was called
Irish Red.
So he loved it.
And he drank Irish breakfast tea.
Yes.
So we went, and I think I had mentioned briefly on the last episode that we went to Wisconsin.
Yes.
For my brother's baby shower and we stopped in this brewery and I did some research because
we were like, okay, we got to go there.
We got to get back because my wife's mom was here watching Vivian and she wanted to leave
that night yet.
And so it's a three and a half hour drive there and three and a half hour drive back.
So we spent seven hours in the car and we were like, oh, we got to find some breweries
on the way back so we can hit like a brewery on the way back.
And I found this one that was really highly rated called the Lazy Monk in Eau Claire,
Wisconsin.
Okay.
Not impressed.
We tried three different beers there.
You know, between the two of us.
The Monk was a little too lazy.
Yeah.
And that's what I was telling, telling my buddies.
I'm like, yeah, we stopped there and the beers really weren't that good.
And he goes, well, it's a Lazy Monk if he would have been, you know, even just an average
really performing Monk, it probably would have been good beer.
So you know, you can't always trust the reviews online, but they were dog friendly.
So that was kind of nice.
A lot of them are.
Yeah.
Not the one, not the one downtown Robbinsdale.
They're not anything friendly.
They hate the community.
We actually got kicked out of the brewery when Vivian was six weeks old.
We walked down there with her in the stroller and we sat out on the patio and Sarah and
I had a beer and they came out and they're like, you need to go sit under the giant circus
tent in the parking lot.
You can't sit on our patio.
And I'm like, she's six weeks old.
You think she's going to try and steal my beer?
So not, not family friendly.
They don't want dogs.
They hate the community and throw other things.
I wanted to make that joke, but I wasn't sure if that's how it was going to be.
No miners on the porch.
Yeah.
Yep.
That is how they are.
And it sucks because they're within walking distance and we just, we can't go there because
it's not, it's not fun.
And our daughter is very, very well behaved for a two year old, especially when you go
out in public.
And I just brought her two half rice books tonight because she wanted to go book shopping.
And so we went and you know, they've got a nice little kids area in the back where they
can pick out their board books and look at the stuffed animals and things like that.
Very well behaved, better, better behaved than some of the adult patrons in there.
I'll tell you that.
But I can't bring her to this brewery.
That's, you know, within walking distance from my house.
So I hate them.
I hate them now.
For the listeners who are not from Minnesota, you can bring children in any bar or liquor
store and they don't care.
It's not against the law.
Oh no, it's not a state thing.
It's up to the establishment.
So how big a dick does the establishment want to be here?
Right.
In the state of North Dakota, children cannot go into bars or liquor stores period.
In the state of Wisconsin, where I'm from, shout out the cheese.
You can drink at any age in a bar as long as your parents is with you and tells the
bartender it's okay.
That's awesome.
Yes.
You know, and I'm not going to give Vivian beer.
Right.
You know, probably at least not till she's.
15, 16, somewhere in there, but to not even be able to go into a place because she's not
a legal drinking age, it's kind of a huge downer.
Right.
And I understand you don't want those poorly behaved children running amok.
And you know, like in restaurants, you get these kids and they're like tearing all over
the restaurant and you're just like silently hoping that they trip and fall and have to
leave.
Or you like physically trip them and then blame it on the chair or the waiter or something.
But that's not, that's not, that's not our family, you know, if you have a well behaved
child, what's the big deal?
It's no different than going to a restaurant really.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, there's a lot of bars in Minnesota that have video games and pool tables and stuff.
They're intended for kids to play.
Yes.
And their parents to drink.
Basically.
And that's fine.
You know, and there's good money in that.
Yeah, of course.
You know, they usually serve food and.
Yep.
It's perfectly okay.
You know, but yeah, like North Dakota, they have to separate the bar.
If it's a restaurant bar.
Okay.
You have to separate those two out and the kids can't come into the bar.
So the bar area has only adults, it's actually kind of nice.
Yeah.
To a certain extent.
Well, and, and, and that's great too.
You know, like if you have babysitters and stuff.
Oh, they usually have a section that's not.
No.
Not the bar.
I know that.
I'm just saying like, you know, Vivian was born at the very, very start of the pandemic.
Right.
So we don't have the same, you know, do you call it a black book if it's babysitters?
Sure.
I don't know.
We don't have the same like Rolodex of babysitters as parents that had kids prior to the pandemic
because there was nobody and you didn't want anybody in your house at the very start of
the pandemic.
So we don't have that same babysitter network and we like going places with her, you know,
so when, when Sarah and I do have the babysitter or one of her grandparents here watching,
then yes, we'd love to go to places where there's no other kids.
Sure.
But I think, you know, if you have well-behaved children, you should be able to go wherever
you want and legally you can, but it's up to the establishment here in Minnesota.
And a lot of kids aren't well-behaved and I understand that too.
I have about an inch left and my cigar is turning sour.
It is.
It's very sour.
Yeah.
Mine is turning sour.
I think that, uh, it's not the flavor change I was hoping for.
No, it was good until you got just sour right at the end.
Yes.
I like the other one.
The other one lasted longer though.
It did.
The other one was much better overall.
I agree.
But I think this is probably it for this one.
Yeah, you know, I mean, there's a lot more left to smoke if I wanted to subject myself
to it.
Yes.
Which is kind of sad.
Yeah.
It's, it's a testament to this one.
I don't, I don't think this is a full on dead though.
No, no, the first three quarters was very good.
Very good.
And then instantly it was like a switch turned.
You said that we must be, we must be evenly matched on smoking this one because I just
put it down and then you said, Oh yeah, mine's getting sour.
And I was like, that's why I put mine down.
Um, I haven't like, you know, tapped it out yet, but I'm going to let it sit there, uh,
for a minute.
But, uh, I think so far the Cameroon-
I'm holding it, but I am not smoking it.
I think the Cameroon is better than the Habano so far.
Yes.
I would agree.
But, uh, no, this is bad.
No, it's not bad.
Cameroon was better.
It's good.
The Cameroon is better.
Yup.
Okay.
Say I, I think I'm starting to shy more towards the lighter cigars.
I still like the dark ones too.
It's not bad.
Oh man.
There's some really great dark ones we smoked.
But I, I almost wonder because like, I wonder if it's easier to make a great lighter cigar.
I don't know.
Cause there's a lot more oil in a darker cigar.
That's true.
Um, and that oil builds up and it just, it just turns sour.
You know, that's like the Winston Churchill effect, right?
Like he never smoked in past half.
Yeah.
Supposedly.
Well, he also had the disposable income to not smoke them past half.
So right.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yes, he did.
But not everybody gets to have champagne for lunch.
That is true.
As destructive as that would be.
This one's decent.
Uh, but the Cameroon is better so far.
Uh, tune in next time for the next nub.
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