1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,920 Welcome to Nice Dashes. 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:10,580 I'm Mike. 3 00:00:10,580 --> 00:00:11,580 And I'm Nate. 4 00:00:11,580 --> 00:00:13,600 So what are we smoking today, Nate? 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,920 We are starting our Nub series. 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,780 And Nub is what? 7 00:00:19,780 --> 00:00:23,600 Just the brand name of the cigar, right? 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:24,600 Nub is the series. 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,120 I believe that these are Olivia's. 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:29,120 Okay. 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,360 And we're starting with the Nub Cameroon. 12 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:33,360 Yes. 13 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:39,200 We have seven of them, I want to say. 14 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,960 I'll double check that before we commit to the number. 15 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:49,520 Yes, there's some number greater than two, probably less than ten. 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,820 We have seven. 17 00:00:51,820 --> 00:00:52,820 We have seven. 18 00:00:52,820 --> 00:00:57,880 Yes, and the Nubs are by, I'm pretty sure the Nubs are by Olivia. 19 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,080 Awesome. 20 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:00,080 They're good. 21 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,080 Nubs are kind of their own, oh, Olivia. 22 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,880 I thought it was Olivia. 23 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,400 That's the name of my niece. 24 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:10,480 Oh yeah. 25 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:11,480 One of my nieces. 26 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:18,920 So yeah, we're going to start her off with the Nub Cameroon. 27 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:25,840 You can get these bushel packs from Pipes and Cigars for a pretty reasonable price given 28 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,800 the expense of the stick. 29 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,720 On this wrapper is a little bit lighter. 30 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:42,120 I wouldn't go full on to call it a Connecticut, but it's not quite as dark as a Maduro. 31 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:47,460 It is firmly in the medium category. 32 00:01:47,460 --> 00:01:50,120 And it's got good draw off the bat. 33 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,120 Yes. 34 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,920 This is a four inch cigar, very girthy. 35 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:56,920 Yes. 36 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,480 They have the reputation of being a four inch cigar that smokes like a six inch cigar per 37 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:02,480 length. 38 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:03,480 Yes. 39 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:09,720 So I'm sure you can hear the third podcaster in the background. 40 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,840 She's getting very excited. 41 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,540 She loves podcast day. 42 00:02:15,540 --> 00:02:16,540 She does. 43 00:02:16,540 --> 00:02:17,540 She loves every day. 44 00:02:17,540 --> 00:02:19,700 Well, why wouldn't you? 45 00:02:19,700 --> 00:02:20,700 As a dog. 46 00:02:20,700 --> 00:02:21,700 Right. 47 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:27,240 Well, two of the cats decided they wanted to hang out with us. 48 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,240 Perfect. 49 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:34,520 So, we got a dog and two cats. 50 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:41,480 I would say the first couple of pops, it tastes fairly medium. 51 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,480 Yep. 52 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:49,240 Nice, good flavor, but medium. 53 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:50,240 We'll see. 54 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:56,240 I had a number four, I think. 55 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,080 Pretty sure that we got one at Tobacco Grove a while ago. 56 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,080 Yes. 57 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,840 And I had one too. 58 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:11,480 I think that one was just like blonde or something, the one that I got. 59 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:12,480 I'm not sure. 60 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:13,480 I'd have to go look. 61 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:14,480 I could be way off. 62 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,800 I tried a couple of puffs off of one that was a Cameroon. 63 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,280 By someone we both know. 64 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:27,800 Let me try their cigar. 65 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,680 You know them better than I do. 66 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:32,680 That is interesting. 67 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:33,680 Yes. 68 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:39,640 They are a big fan of the Nubs. 69 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:40,640 How do I know them better? 70 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,800 I don't know anybody that smokes cigars. 71 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,760 Yes you do. 72 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,560 You're related to them, kind of. 73 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,520 My brother? 74 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:52,520 By marriage. 75 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,520 Oh, okay. 76 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:56,520 So my brother? 77 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:02,680 Oh no wait, that's the queen, sorry. 78 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:08,960 I heard the best theory ever on how Queen Elizabeth died. 79 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:15,240 I'm not sure how many of our listeners are followers of Gale Cor Schuller, but she's 80 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,600 an internet lullcow and she's hilarious. 81 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,280 She's got all kinds of theories about all sorts of wonderful things. 82 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:30,680 The one about Queen Elizabeth was that she died having sex with a horse. 83 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:31,680 It's a very long story. 84 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:32,880 I'm not going to get into it. 85 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:40,600 If anybody wants to find out the truth behind the Queen's death, it involves Prince Andrew 86 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,680 and a horse and blood thinners. 87 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:50,880 Okay, and also if that boy returns, that's on page two. 88 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:58,920 I did see some pretty funny memes because of course being the head monarch of a colonial 89 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:06,000 country that has given everybody an Independence Day, which is the one holiday most countries 90 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,120 share in the world, independence from Britain. 91 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:15,440 There are people on both sides of the spectrum, some are very sad to see her have passed. 92 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:20,540 This will be a couple of weeks after the fact, but that's what has most recently happened 93 00:05:20,540 --> 00:05:23,220 in the news. 94 00:05:23,220 --> 00:05:25,920 Some are happy that she passed. 95 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:33,920 One of the ones that I saw that was pretty funny was listing a bunch of Queen Elizabeth's 96 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:34,920 good things. 97 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:43,040 The last one was Anne being a good cousin to her husband, because they are third cousins 98 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,040 or were. 99 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:51,440 Well, they're definitely inbreeders. 100 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,840 Inbreeders and petal protectors. 101 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:59,480 I thought Prince Andrew's involvement with the Queen's death in Galecord Shuler's version 102 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,080 of events was quite hilarious. 103 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:11,640 I'm not sure if she quite caught on to that, but it was pretty good all the same. 104 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:19,560 So outside of royal families that are really just figureheads and nothing more, what do 105 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,040 you want to talk about tonight? 106 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,320 Well, I figured we'd talk about Don of Encerife. 107 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,280 Oh yeah, let's do that. 108 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:30,440 I tried to get my Sarah in on the action. 109 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,200 It's a tough sell, dude. 110 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,320 I tried to get my... 111 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:36,320 Tough sell. 112 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,320 That's what she said. 113 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:39,320 Literally. 114 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,200 Why do you want me on this podcast so bad? 115 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,880 Oh, I thought it. 116 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,640 I was saying tough sell to actually watching Don of Encerife. 117 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:48,960 Oh, she loves it. 118 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,760 I told her that you didn't like it. 119 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,000 She was like, what? 120 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,000 Okay. 121 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:00,840 Let's set the stage a little bit, Mike. 122 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:06,740 I grew up watching John Wayne movies with my dad and grandpa, and we watched primarily 123 00:07:06,740 --> 00:07:12,000 all of John Wayne's cowboy movies, Western flicks. 124 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:20,360 And we would dabble occasionally into his war flicks, but we were pretty firmly in the 125 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:21,360 Westerns. 126 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:28,720 So True Grit and The Searchers, Big Jake, Sons of Katie Elder. 127 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,640 Angel and the Bad Man, great one. 128 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:31,640 North to Alaska. 129 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,160 I don't think I've seen that one. 130 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:35,160 Okay. 131 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,160 I should watch that. 132 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,200 Then Rio Grande, Rio Bravo, and Rio Lobo. 133 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,720 And two of those are the same film, but with different people. 134 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,480 I mean, John Wayne's in both. 135 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:44,480 Right. 136 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,360 Let's see, Man Who Shot Liberty Valance and The Shootist. 137 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:48,360 I mean, there's more. 138 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,360 The Shootist. 139 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:50,360 The train robbers. 140 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:55,600 I've seen almost all of those films other than North to Alaska. 141 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:02,440 And then, so my first exposure to Donovan's Reef was when I was in high school and my 142 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,640 parents and grandparents were watching it and I just couldn't get into it. 143 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:12,220 And so I left and did something else in grandpa's basement, which sounds super sketch, but it 144 00:08:12,220 --> 00:08:13,220 really wasn't. 145 00:08:13,220 --> 00:08:16,600 But he had cable so I could go watch whatever I wanted. 146 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:21,240 And then Mike was telling me that it was one of his favorite John Wayne movies. 147 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,920 And so I said that I would watch it again and give it another shot. 148 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,560 And so, you know, I did. 149 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:28,560 And I still don't like it. 150 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:36,800 But I'm excited to kind of get into why because it's not just like a, I don't know, there's 151 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,320 reasons is all I'll say. 152 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,320 Sure. 153 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:47,320 So I generally like John Wayne films, but I really like his non-traditional Western 154 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:48,320 films. 155 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,120 I'm not a big fan of traditional Western films. 156 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,960 I'm more of a spaghetti Western kind of guy. 157 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:03,240 So I like McClintock and some of the more absurd works that he's done, which I would 158 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,560 consider Donovan's Reef in there, The Quiet Man's in there. 159 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:10,560 You know, both as a Branigan where he's a detective. 160 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:16,920 I like The Shootist because it kind of turns the whole Western genre upside down, especially 161 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,520 for a John Wayne film. 162 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,960 Well, and that's why I like The Searchers so much because for, and have you seen that 163 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:23,960 one? 164 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:24,960 Yes, I have. 165 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:31,720 For that one, like for, I don't know, three quarters of the movie at least, or maybe more, 166 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,980 3.8 out of four is of the movie. 167 00:09:35,980 --> 00:09:41,680 You think John Wayne is the bad guy and he's going to straight up shoot his niece. 168 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:42,920 And it's not till the very end. 169 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:50,380 So for him to play a bad guy at all is for that era, even if you're a big major movie 170 00:09:50,380 --> 00:09:56,760 star hero, like that's fairly rare because back then you got typecast a lot into the 171 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,760 hero slash villain. 172 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,760 Absolutely. 173 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,800 So I like that one a lot and the cinematography is great. 174 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,000 That's also a John Ford. 175 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,760 John's Reef is a John Ford? 176 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:07,760 Yep. 177 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:08,760 Yep. 178 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:09,760 Have you ever seen Iron Sky? 179 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:10,760 Yeah. 180 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:11,760 Yes. 181 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,360 I like that one a lot too. 182 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,160 Wait, is that the one with John Wayne? 183 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,160 Are you talking like the 2017? 184 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,160 No, no, the one with John Wayne. 185 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,160 Oh, okay. 186 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,160 Nope. 187 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,160 Nope. 188 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,760 I've seen the one with Nazis on the Moon, which also is a great movie. 189 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,200 Maybe it's not Iron Sky. 190 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:26,200 I own the film. 191 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:27,200 I can tell you. 192 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:28,200 Okay. 193 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:29,200 I thought it was Iron Sky. 194 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:38,120 It's a World War II deployment or World War II pilots that are dropping off payloads of 195 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,520 supplies and they get, the plane comes down. 196 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:42,520 Okay. 197 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:43,520 I know like Sansi and Jima. 198 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:44,520 Island in the Sky. 199 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:45,520 Oh, Island in the Sky. 200 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:46,520 Island in the Sky. 201 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:47,520 Okay. 202 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,600 Yeah, and their plane goes down in the Arctic Circle and they all go insane. 203 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:51,600 Oh. 204 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:52,600 Yeah. 205 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:53,600 Oh yeah. 206 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,160 One guy starts going crazy and like wanders off into nowhere. 207 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,880 It's actually interesting, especially for a John Wayne movie. 208 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,960 I don't think I've ever seen this one. 209 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,920 Yes, Island in the Sky. 210 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:12,280 It came out in theaters and then they never released it on DVD until we were enrolled, 211 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:13,280 until I was in high school. 212 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,280 You probably were in high school too. 213 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,640 That's probably why I've never seen it because my grandfather had all of it on VHS and then 214 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,360 he just totally converted his collection to DVD. 215 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:24,360 Yes. 216 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:25,360 Yeah. 217 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:26,360 I watched it on AMC. 218 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:31,920 It was the first screening of the movie in like, you know, hominid of the years. 219 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:37,600 But it came out right before The Flying Tigers and The Flying Tigers just kind of like sank 220 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,480 it because it's kind of negative. 221 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:45,880 Or it's a psychological movie, which wasn't popular at the time. 222 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:46,880 Yeah. 223 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,360 And not really in John Wayne's fan's wheelhouse. 224 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,360 Right. 225 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:52,920 That's, they were popular. 226 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,800 They just weren't popular for John Wayne. 227 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:55,800 Yeah. 228 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,640 And you had a lot of Hitchcock films out at that time and those were mostly psychological 229 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:00,640 thrillers. 230 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:01,640 Right. 231 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:07,680 I mean, some were borderline kind of more of your straight up horror, but they're all 232 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:13,880 kind of have that psychological who's the killer kind of vibe to them. 233 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:21,300 So but when you go to a John Wayne movie, you're expecting, you know, six shooters and rains 234 00:12:21,300 --> 00:12:24,520 in the teeth and swearing at people. 235 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,640 So right. 236 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:31,600 My dad calls it the John Wayne gun, which is a single action cold that never runs out 237 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,600 of bullets. 238 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:33,600 Yes. 239 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:40,200 I like the John Wayne rifle, which is the Henry rifle with the oval lever that he can 240 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:46,760 swing while he's riding on horseback to reload. 241 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,920 Even at 65 or 70 years old. 242 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:50,920 Yes. 243 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:51,920 Yes. 244 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,600 And he was a former CGI, so you know, he was really doing it. 245 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:55,600 Yes. 246 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:56,600 Yeah, he was. 247 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:57,600 Yeah, he was. 248 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,640 Was he hitting whatever he was aiming at? 249 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:00,640 Probably not. 250 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,640 But I'm guessing that's the movie magic. 251 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,360 Right. 252 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:14,880 So let me just upfront say that I was fairly excited about rewatching Donovan's Reef. 253 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:25,240 Even though I had such a negative thing coming into it, but I really enjoy Lee Marvin. 254 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:26,480 Yes. 255 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:27,560 Okay. 256 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:32,120 And the other thing is, in the end, I gave it a six out of 10. 257 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,160 So I won't say that I hated it. 258 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:40,440 You know, it's not a not a hate, but it's probably more of like, I'd watch it if, you 259 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,680 know, you liquored me up and we're like, Hey, do you want to watch Donovan's Reef? 260 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:45,680 Sure, Mike. 261 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:48,000 I'll watch Donovan's Reef with you. 262 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,880 But I'm not really going to go seek it out. 263 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,500 And here's why. 264 00:13:51,500 --> 00:13:58,280 And this is maybe the biggest reason why is it starts on Lee Marvin on a boat and he punches 265 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,260 the captain and dives off. 266 00:14:01,260 --> 00:14:03,900 And it's like, okay. 267 00:14:03,900 --> 00:14:10,440 And then for the next 45 minutes, I was trying to figure out what the hell John Wayne's character's 268 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:15,160 name is because they call him three or four different things, but never twice in a row. 269 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,760 So I wasn't quite sure. 270 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:18,760 Yes. 271 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,520 Which is his rank in anything, but you don't hear him. 272 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,480 And Michael, I think is his first name. 273 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:25,480 Yep. 274 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:26,480 Michael. 275 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:27,480 Yep. 276 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,520 So they've got like a slew of nicknames and they've got a slew of other names, first names, 277 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,040 last names that they call him. 278 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:41,880 And it was just very confusing to try and figure out what his name was and was he actually 279 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,680 the owner of the bar and where all of this free beer was coming from underneath the bar. 280 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,680 Because they go into the bar and everybody- 281 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:53,660 All the cigarettes that they throw under the ground and bottles of beer that they break 282 00:14:53,660 --> 00:14:54,660 are ridiculous. 283 00:14:54,660 --> 00:14:56,000 It's a comedy. 284 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,860 It's supposed to be farcical. 285 00:14:57,860 --> 00:15:00,200 I view it as a farcical movie. 286 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:06,200 I also think it's hilarious that John Wayne is as old as the actor playing the father 287 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,840 of the love interest. 288 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:15,560 He's clearly number one, he's too old to be a World War II vet in what year was it? 289 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:16,560 1963. 290 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:17,560 He's too old. 291 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:18,560 But I- 292 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:23,360 Because you had told me that and after I watched it, I like to do the trivia. 293 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:28,140 So I read the trivia on the movie and apparently, and this, I don't know if this is a hundred 294 00:15:28,140 --> 00:15:33,160 percent sure or not or if this is what John Wayne's estate wants us to believe, but apparently 295 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:41,520 John Wayne petitioned to have a more age appropriate actress play opposite him. 296 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:47,080 And he was very uncomfortable having to play the main love interest to this woman. 297 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,040 I have heard that also and I did not look up trivia. 298 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,280 My mother told me that way back when. 299 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:58,660 So I don't know, but that was a little weird. 300 00:15:58,660 --> 00:16:03,920 And then there were some funny bits, but I think if they would have spent just a little 301 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:12,080 more time on, I don't know, character development, just at the beginning, I don't need it to 302 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,840 be a three hour movie, Zack Snyder cut of anything, but just a little bit more like 303 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:22,400 setup would make all of the jokes and everything else a lot funnier. 304 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:27,320 But what I also heard or read on the trivia was that John Ford was very sick at the time 305 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:28,320 of filming this. 306 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,200 And that was actually, I think his last film that he made. 307 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:39,000 So John Wayne, I guess, stepped in to direct somewhere around the 50% of the movie. 308 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,680 Because if you watch Donovan's Reef compared to any other John Ford film, it just does 309 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:52,160 not have the same cinematography or the things that you would look for in a John Ford film 310 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,780 that you've seen in all of the John Ford films. 311 00:16:54,780 --> 00:17:02,520 And here you are in the tropical Hawaii or whatever island they claimed it was. 312 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,480 Yeah, Halo, Lala Kaua or something like that. 313 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,920 And you don't really get any of the great John Ford vistas. 314 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:21,920 And I know it's a comedy farce, but you can still do some amazing things with your location. 315 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:27,000 But I think that was over on my biggest gripe is it took me so long to figure out are Lee 316 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,520 Marvin and John Wayne actually friends? 317 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:30,720 Are they not friends? 318 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,560 What is John Wayne's name in this movie? 319 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,080 And is it actually his bar? 320 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,080 And of course it is. 321 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,720 Donovan's Reef is the name of the bar and his name is Donovan, but you don't find that 322 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,960 out until halfway through the movie. 323 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:48,600 So it's kind of as just somebody coming in and not being very familiar with it. 324 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:54,240 And maybe it's one of those movies where upon repeat viewings, it gets better and better. 325 00:17:54,240 --> 00:18:01,520 But I tell you, this first rewatch that I did, I was fairly confused on characters and 326 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:02,800 what was going on. 327 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,160 So well, full disclosure, I've seen this movie many times. 328 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:11,800 So I know the story, I guess. 329 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,040 And like I say, I think that the farce is hilarious. 330 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,160 No, it's enjoyable. 331 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,160 Right. 332 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:25,320 A lot of the jokes are relevant to film of that time because, you know, Miss LaFleur, 333 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:32,480 who was Lee Marvin's girlfriend, is a terrible singer, but she's played by Dorothy Lamour, 334 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:38,200 who was with Bing Crosby and what the hell is his name? 335 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,760 A Bob Hope in all those damn movies that they did. 336 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:41,760 Oh yeah, like White Christmas. 337 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,760 So she's a real professional singer. 338 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,680 A very good professional singer. 339 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:51,080 I heard that the one, one of the songs that she sang that wasn't very good, she had like 340 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,960 a throat thing and they didn't want to bother reshooting it or something. 341 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,240 So they kind of played it off or whatever. 342 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,240 Yeah. 343 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,520 She's like just trash. 344 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:10,120 And then I also read that they did a script rewrite and they wrote out a lot of Lee Marvin's 345 00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:16,000 dialogue and interaction with John Wayne in favor of playing up the romance portion of 346 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,000 it. 347 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,000 Right. 348 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,600 Well, you also have to remember Lee Marvin is the appropriate age to be a World War II 349 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,840 vet and John Wayne is not. 350 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:25,840 Yes. 351 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,240 John Wayne is 15 years older than Lee Marvin. 352 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:37,040 Now, wasn't this one of Lee Marvin's first films or not first films, but maybe more top 353 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,520 billing or something? 354 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,480 Yeah, I don't know. 355 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:42,480 Let's check here. 356 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:50,640 Cause I know he was in Paint Your Wagon with Clint Eastwood, which is a fantastic Western 357 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:55,760 slash musical slash comedy slash drama. 358 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,760 It's a long one, but it's really good. 359 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:04,320 That's one of those, it's a really weird movie because the woman, the love interest in that 360 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:10,600 movie is, is she actually Mormon or is she just open to multiple men? 361 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:16,040 And so they both, Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood have to like share their wife. 362 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:23,280 So you can already tell that it's not your standard kind of John Wayne-esque with the 363 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,000 puritanical rules Western. 364 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,000 Right. 365 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,520 And I like Lee Marvin as the scoundrel. 366 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,360 And I don't know. 367 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:34,560 I like it. 368 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,400 And Cesar Romero is a scoundrel. 369 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,600 They're all scoundrels basically, other than John Wayne, who's like playing John Wayne. 370 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,600 Well, he's a reformed scoundrel. 371 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:49,960 Cause they talk about scoundrel days, which he tries to hide from the love interest in 372 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:50,960 Donovan's Reef. 373 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:56,200 And, and then they go up and they had that big monument, which he was trying to like 374 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,200 hush hush too. 375 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,200 Right. 376 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,200 Well, yeah. 377 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:05,200 And the whole hook of the story is that they're trying to pretend that the children are his 378 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,000 and not her father's. 379 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,000 Yes. 380 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,680 Because they're from a different, a different marriage because her mother died. 381 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,680 She doesn't know about it. 382 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,040 Yes. 383 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:22,200 And so he fell in love with a Hawaiian woman or whatever. 384 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,120 I don't know if Hawaiian is the right term. 385 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:28,120 I know like Polynesian. 386 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:29,120 Okay. 387 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:31,080 Perfect. 388 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,320 Not meant to be racist in any way, shape or form. 389 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:38,800 Well, they filmed the movie in Hawaii, but it's based in French Polynesia. 390 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:39,800 Okay. 391 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:40,800 Yep. 392 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:46,960 So speaking of French Polynesia, this Cameroon is halfway done. 393 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,240 And I think it's getting a little bit sweeter. 394 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,080 I think it's sweet and it's very smooth. 395 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,080 Very pleasant. 396 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,080 It is very smooth. 397 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,080 Very nice. 398 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,920 I wanted to make sure we talked about it because typically on the show, if it's a really good 399 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:07,160 cigar, we don't really talk about it, you know, because it's like, oh, it's so good. 400 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,720 But you know, it kind of lubricates the conversation as it. 401 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,760 A little bit of bitterness that was there at the beginning, which is always there at 402 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:15,760 the beginning of the cigar. 403 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:16,760 Yes. 404 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:17,760 It's melted away. 405 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:18,920 It's melted away. 406 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:24,360 It's become a little lighter in taste because of that sweetness, I think. 407 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:27,360 And because the bitterness kind of faded away. 408 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:28,360 Yes. 409 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:31,880 And it is very lovely. 410 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:32,880 Quite lovely. 411 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:33,880 Yes. 412 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:39,920 But you know, I don't, I would say that I actively dislike Donovan's Reef. 413 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,940 I think there were maybe a few things that could have been done that would have made 414 00:22:42,940 --> 00:22:43,940 it better. 415 00:22:43,940 --> 00:22:44,940 Right. 416 00:22:44,940 --> 00:22:53,160 I think a lot of the comedy is based on the actors playing the roles, you know, because 417 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,160 they're all famous. 418 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,160 Cesar Romero is famous. 419 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,160 Oh, yeah. 420 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,160 Lamar is famous. 421 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:03,160 And they're just being kind of farcical based on their stereotypes. 422 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,160 All other than John Wayne. 423 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,160 Yes. 424 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,400 And it's like stupid little, it's just like joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. 425 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,400 Yeah. 426 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,680 There's not really a need for a lot of background information, you know. 427 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:14,680 No. 428 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:20,720 I think it is one of those ones where when I watch it again, not if, but you know, the 429 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:26,200 next time that I watch it, I think I'll find it much more enjoyable having gone through 430 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,200 it the first time. 431 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,200 Right. 432 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,280 You know what I mean? 433 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:38,080 I think one of my favorite ones where it's funny, like it's funny. 434 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:44,440 Well, both of them actually is True Grit and Rooster Cogburn. 435 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,880 Because John Wayne plays kind of like a drunk cowboy. 436 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:55,680 And you know, in the first one, I can't remember the name of the woman that plays the, you 437 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:02,240 know, in the movie, she's like a child that kind of like hires John Wayne to go get revenge. 438 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:07,280 And she keeps calling him like a washed up old fat man. 439 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,080 And then at the end of that film, he actually like jumps his horse over the fence, like 440 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,160 he'd been claiming the whole time. 441 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,080 And then, and I think it's in that one. 442 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,960 I can't remember if it's in that one or Rooster Cogburn where he's drunk and falls off his 443 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,480 horse and then he's like, we'll camp here tonight. 444 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:25,480 You know? 445 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:26,480 Yes. 446 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,480 I remember that. 447 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:35,080 But then, man, him playing a drunk belligerent cowboy against Catherine Hepburn was some 448 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,160 of the funniest stuff ever, I think. 449 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,160 Yeah. 450 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,200 Well, John Wayne was a good actor. 451 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,200 He gets a lot of heat. 452 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,440 Because his early films were basically all just the same movie a hundred times. 453 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,440 Yeah. 454 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:57,080 Well, he started out as singing Sandy, the singing cowboy, and he can't sing. 455 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,680 Right. 456 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:05,000 He did play a good scoundrel several times. 457 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,400 Most of the movies that are really good. 458 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,920 Even Big Jake, he's a scoundrel. 459 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,760 You know, total son of a bitch. 460 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,760 You know what movie is really good? 461 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,760 Is The Cowboys. 462 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:24,000 And that is, I'm trying to remember the, let's see. 463 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,360 And man, the bad guy in that one is just nasty. 464 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:29,360 Just nasty. 465 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:31,760 It is, I'm pulling it up here. 466 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:32,760 Sorry. 467 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:33,760 I'm so bad at names. 468 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:34,760 It's Bruce Stern. 469 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,040 Yeah, well, Bruce Stern is one of the all time great baddies in Hollywood. 470 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,000 He's a very young Bruce Stern and he's just nasty. 471 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,240 But that movie has pretty much everything you want. 472 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,280 It's got humor. 473 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,800 It's got John Wayne being a badass. 474 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:59,600 It's got heart, emotion, really good underrated flick, I think. 475 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,980 It wasn't underrated at the time, but nowadays when you say, hey, do you want to go watch 476 00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:04,980 a John Wayne movie? 477 00:26:04,980 --> 00:26:11,400 They're like, no, I hate the patriarchy or something like, you know, like it's almost 478 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,040 not socially acceptable. 479 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,600 He's a man of a different era. 480 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,600 So like his political views are definitely not acceptable now. 481 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,400 No, and even some of the movies, right? 482 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,440 They're not politically correct in a lot of the movies he's in. 483 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,440 No. 484 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,440 You know? 485 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:34,160 And it was kind of that I know, so I know in like film, they've got like black, black 486 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:40,120 exploitation, you know, films that exploit black people. 487 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,920 I don't know if they have a term for, I mean, I'm sure it's the same thing. 488 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,360 It's like, you know, indigenous exploitation films or something like that. 489 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:53,920 But you know, I mean, there's a whole genre of those films out there. 490 00:26:53,920 --> 00:27:01,280 But I don't see many people like celebrating those as much as like the, the black exploitation 491 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,240 films of the seventies, even though Tarantino has done a couple, a couple, you know, Western 492 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,040 esque films like Django is great. 493 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,040 Right. 494 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,440 Which is borderline black exploitation also. 495 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,440 Yes. 496 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,040 Although the black person is the protagonist. 497 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,040 Right. 498 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,120 Well, I mean, all the black, all the black exploitation films that I have seen, most 499 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:29,040 of the characters are black, including the antagonist, you know, like black, everybody's 500 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,040 black and black. 501 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:39,080 The best, well, not the best, but like the original Night of the Living Dead was groundbreaking 502 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,160 for having the black man survive. 503 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,160 Right. 504 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,160 And he was, no, he died. 505 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,920 Nope. 506 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,240 He was the only one that got out. 507 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,360 I thought that he was shot by the police when they showed up. 508 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,040 No, he got out of the, he got out. 509 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,040 He got out of there. 510 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,040 Really? 511 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,840 See, I thought that he survived and then the cops showed up and they shot him. 512 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,840 I don't think so. 513 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:06,880 I thought that was like the, he was the hero that tried to keep everybody alive. 514 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,360 And he survived. 515 00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:10,360 And that was, I remember talking about that. 516 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:14,320 You see your Night of the Living Dead, right? 517 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,320 Yep. 518 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:20,640 And I'm looking up another one, another, another movie that I wanted to talk about here real 519 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,800 quick, just, just like as an in passing thing. 520 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:24,800 Yeah. 521 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:29,240 I'm pretty sure that I'm going to look to see the synopsis. 522 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,240 Okay. 523 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:38,040 But I'm pretty sure he died horribly, horribly. 524 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:44,000 Because he was the hero. 525 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,000 Definitely a hero. 526 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,000 Plot. 527 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:55,360 Yeah, Ben emerges from the cellar, but is shot and killed and then mistaken for a ghoul. 528 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,360 Oh, okay. 529 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,360 Yeah. 530 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,360 Sorry. 531 00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,360 Sorry, everybody. 532 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,040 He was the only one that survived. 533 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,480 And then the cops showed up, the white cops showed up and killed him. 534 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,880 So still. 535 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,960 There's another movie and I'm having trouble. 536 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:20,320 I can never really, never really remember what the name of this is. 537 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,640 But they all kind of, it's like an 80s movie, right? 538 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:23,640 Like an 80s horror movie. 539 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:29,760 And they all go to this house, you know, because you went and watched a movie with Luke and 540 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,960 myself and we've seen a lot of movies. 541 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:38,920 So we can really, oh, I think this is it. 542 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,240 So we can really call a movie, right? 543 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,600 We know the tropes. 544 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,600 And I think this is it. 545 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,000 I'm pretty sure. 546 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:54,680 I think it is called House of the Demon. 547 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,280 Or no, Night of the Demons. 548 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,400 Sorry, Night of the Demons. 549 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:06,720 And all these people show up at this house and it gets really wild because it's an 80s 550 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,480 horror film. 551 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,360 That man, the people we thought were going to walk out of that house alive were not the 552 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,040 people that walked out of that house alive. 553 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,520 So we both really enjoyed it. 554 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:23,040 Not that it's a great film, but we just enjoyed it because it kept us guessing. 555 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,040 Right? 556 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,200 Like it's one of, you know, it's a cliche 80s horror film. 557 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,760 But if you can keep the film people guessing, like you're doing something right. 558 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:33,840 Right. 559 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:42,880 Well, that's like, we just finished up Stargate SG-1 and we're doing Atlantis and we're watching 560 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,880 them all on order. 561 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,720 They appeared on television and there's definitely a formula. 562 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:47,720 Okay. 563 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,720 Yeah. 564 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,760 So it's enjoyable when they break the formula in an unexpected way, which happens less often 565 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,760 than is desirable. 566 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:01,620 But yeah, I was going to say like a lot of modern films or not films, but like a lot 567 00:31:01,620 --> 00:31:09,320 of more recent, you know, 2000 onward TV shows got very formulaic, very fast. 568 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,680 I'm thinking, I'm thinking Lost and I'm thinking House MD. 569 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,280 I'm thinking Dexter. 570 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:21,360 All of these are shows that I never actually finished through to the final season because 571 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:27,280 they got so formulaic that it just, it wasn't interesting. 572 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,560 And I just, I really didn't end up caring because they weren't doing anything to drive 573 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,120 anything forward. 574 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,200 I didn't finish at Vikings for the very same reason. 575 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,200 Okay. 576 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,200 The show Vikings. 577 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,200 I've heard of it. 578 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,200 I've never watched it. 579 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,200 Oh, you know, the first season is good. 580 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,760 The second season's okay. 581 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,080 Every single season gets worse and worse and worse. 582 00:31:52,080 --> 00:32:00,520 And it ends up being like, I left the show when it was like one of the major characters 583 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:07,160 who was the son of the major character suddenly magically became not the son of the former 584 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,160 major character. 585 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,080 He's like the son of this other guy. 586 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:15,000 And it's like, all right, there's all this sexual intrigue in the show already. 587 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,800 That's like, is there any legitimate children born to any of these fucking women ever? 588 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:20,800 Yeah. 589 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,240 You know what I mean? 590 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,760 That is not how reality works. 591 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,320 It's breaking my belief in the show. 592 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:37,080 And we talked about this before when you go back and you retcon something. 593 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,680 And you go back and we talked about with Dr. Who and even Star Wars, they go back and they 594 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:47,920 say, well, actually what you watched five seasons ago, that's not true. 595 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,000 We've got the new truth here or something. 596 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:56,120 Like they're the new, whatever it is, they do that sometimes in these things. 597 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:03,320 And they think for whatever reason, they think that it's like a great writing gimmick, but 598 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,360 it's really just a gimmick and it sucks ass. 599 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,680 Like it's lazy. 600 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:17,000 And then it makes your viewers wonder if the writers have even watched the show sometimes. 601 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,560 Like if you go back and you retcon something and you're like, yeah, but there are all these 602 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,760 great things that you're kind of undoing by doing this. 603 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:25,760 Right. 604 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,960 They think, oh, it's going to be a big twist, like a soap opera twist. 605 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,320 Well, keep that stuff in the soap operas because we're actually intelligent viewers and we're 606 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,440 keeping track of what's happening. 607 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,680 You can't go back and then you say, okay, but then if I know this and go back and watch 608 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,320 that one episode, that meant a lot to me. 609 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,080 Now it means nothing because this is no longer true. 610 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,360 So yeah, the soap opera twist is pathetic. 611 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,360 It's like a professional wrestling twist. 612 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:51,360 Yeah. 613 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,080 Most adults do not watch professional wrestling for a reason. 614 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,960 Instead of the chair, he's going to grab the ladder. 615 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:58,960 Okay. 616 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,760 Oh no, it's like, no, I know. 617 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:03,760 Yeah. 618 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:04,760 I mean, it's so stupid. 619 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,240 It's like, oh yeah, there's a few good twists out there that we all know about in professional 620 00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:13,840 wrestling specifically, but I stopped watching professional wrestling when I was in seventh 621 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,760 grade or something like that for a reason. 622 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:16,760 Yeah. 623 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,840 I never really watched it. 624 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,480 I had some friends, I think in elementary school that watched it and they were pretty 625 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,480 gung ho about it. 626 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,000 Oh, that was the attitude to WCW era. 627 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,440 It was very popular. 628 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,240 But that's kind of the target audience is elementary school children. 629 00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:32,240 Right. 630 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:33,240 Yeah. 631 00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:34,240 Teenage boys. 632 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:35,240 And younger. 633 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:36,240 Yes. 634 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:41,240 Or men that have hair that's longer in the back than in the front. 635 00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:42,240 Yes. 636 00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:43,240 Yes. 637 00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:45,680 I resemble that remark. 638 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,080 But you don't have a mullet. 639 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,080 You've got gorgeous locks. 640 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,080 Not a mullet. 641 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,080 I do. 642 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,080 It's all along. 643 00:34:53,080 --> 00:35:00,560 Even though I did trim my beard again, nice and tight. 644 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,560 Yep. 645 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,320 I'm getting to that stage now. 646 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,560 It's a beautiful, beautiful day here in Minnesota. 647 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,560 But it's getting to that point where it's like, I'm going to start growing the beard, 648 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,560 the winter beard. 649 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:19,360 I'm not going to let it get as long as I did during COVID. 650 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,360 That was ridiculous. 651 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:27,760 It got to the point where I couldn't even fucking eat. 652 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:28,760 And everybody loves to eat. 653 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:29,760 I know I do. 654 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,760 Everybody loves to eat. 655 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:31,760 Yeah. 656 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,840 Nobody wants their beard hair coming up into their mouth. 657 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:42,360 Mine, so I'm at a little less than an inch and it's starting to get a bit bitter on me. 658 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,360 Oh, wow. 659 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,360 See, I have an inch and a half. 660 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,680 I kind of slowed down and really kind of enjoyed how smooth it was. 661 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,680 Okay. 662 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:50,680 Yeah. 663 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:51,680 I had this one. 664 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:52,680 You know what? 665 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,320 This one, I don't know what it is. 666 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:59,000 I'm sure it's how they pack it. 667 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:05,320 But I had going like a two and a half inch ash on this one. 668 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,480 It was phenomenal. 669 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,480 It was amazing. 670 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,360 It had nice ash. 671 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,160 It did. 672 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,160 Very good. 673 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:21,800 And I drank, I started out with a foggy geezer from Warpigs, which is really good. 674 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,520 Mike doesn't like that, but you know what? 675 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,240 It's good. 676 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:31,200 And I'm finishing here now with another one Mike doesn't like, and that's the Spotted 677 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,200 Cow. 678 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,200 But we went- 679 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,200 Not that I don't like it. 680 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,360 I just don't think it's anything special. 681 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,160 You know, it's special because you can't get it outside of Wisconsin. 682 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,920 And it's not a bad beer. 683 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,600 It's not my go-to from them. 684 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:53,160 But we went and we went and visited my brother for his baby shower. 685 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,240 And then we bought a 24 pack of Spotted Cow. 686 00:36:56,240 --> 00:37:05,040 And then we got Dave, who was on as a guest, many episodes back now in the early days. 687 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:10,240 We got him his favorite, which is the Two Women Lager. 688 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,240 My favorite is the Moon Man. 689 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:13,240 I've never had Moon Man. 690 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:14,240 Okay. 691 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:18,280 I've had some of their sours, which I like all of them. 692 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,280 They were all good. 693 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,320 Next time I'm in, next time I'm over there, I'm going to grab some Moon Man for you and 694 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,520 I, and we're going to do a special Moon Man episode or something. 695 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,520 Perfect. 696 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,760 I know we're a cigar podcast, but we'll work it in. 697 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,480 Yeah, it doesn't really matter. 698 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,880 We talk once a week podcast is what we are. 699 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:37,880 Yes. 700 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,200 We shoot the shit and let you know if the thing we're smoking is good or not. 701 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,200 And I would recommend this one. 702 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,200 This one's really good. 703 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,200 Yeah, they're good. 704 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:51,000 The nubs are very popular for a reason, for good reason. 705 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,000 Well respected. 706 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:58,400 So this is one of the more well-known, no, not really. 707 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:04,600 The Rocky Battelle's are really famous too, but yeah, this is generally more mainstream. 708 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,880 You know, if you go to a decent cigar shop, they're going to have a couple nubs there 709 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:09,880 for sure. 710 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:10,880 Oh yeah. 711 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,520 They're going to have some. 712 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:22,480 I would recommend grabbing this Nub Cameroon and if you can smoke inside, throw on Donovan's 713 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,880 Reef if you want something that's not your stereotypical John Wayne movie. 714 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:27,880 Right. 715 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:28,880 It's slapstick. 716 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,280 You know, you're going to find the King of the United States of America in there. 717 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,280 Yep. 718 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,240 A priest that steals money. 719 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:39,000 But he won't ever fix his roof. 720 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,000 Right. 721 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,000 He won't ever fix his roof. 722 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,720 That would make you upset as a homeowner. 723 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:45,440 Like if you own a home, you're going to be mad at this guy. 724 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:52,680 Some mild, relatively mild anti-Chinese racist jokes, which I even caught on when I was a 725 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:53,680 teenager. 726 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,680 Oh man. 727 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,680 You know what? 728 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:56,680 That's a racist joke. 729 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,960 You know what my favorite part of the whole thing was? 730 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,160 Was when the British people come to his bar and they get into this huge fight because 731 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:11,320 they're calling them limeys and everything and the British are trying to be all proper 732 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,920 and everything and they just get into this like mad free for all brawl. 733 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,120 Like that was worth watching the movie in my opinion. 734 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,600 That was like the best part. 735 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,680 I like that half the British guys are clearly not British. 736 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:24,680 Well, yes. 737 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:30,840 They have the, well, Michael Wayne is the commander, even though he's stronger than 738 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:31,840 all the other guys. 739 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:38,280 He's like, what, how did that happen? 740 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,280 Is his son's name Michael or Patrick? 741 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,920 I think it's Patrick Michael Wayne or something like that. 742 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:44,920 Oh, okay. 743 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:45,920 Okay. 744 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:46,920 Yeah. 745 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,360 It's all the, he's got all his kids have like the Patrick and the Michaels and the, 746 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,080 because his name is Maurice Patrick that he was supposed to be called. 747 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,080 No, Marion. 748 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,080 His name is Marion. 749 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,080 Marion. 750 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,080 I've been to his birthplace. 751 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,080 Oh really? 752 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,080 Yes. 753 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,080 Somerset, Iowa. 754 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,080 Nice. 755 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,080 Nice. 756 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:11,520 Worth a trip if you're, you know, in Iowa for any other reason. 757 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:12,520 Right. 758 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:17,000 But I don't really recommend Iowa to people. 759 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,320 Unless you, the listener are from there, then it's my favorite state. 760 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:21,320 Right. 761 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,920 I mean, I've spent some time in Iowa working and it was fine. 762 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,120 They do tractor poles and stuff. 763 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:33,920 I know John Wayne and Gacy's from there. 764 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,880 So it's gotta be an interesting place. 765 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:36,880 Well, what's up? 766 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:37,880 Yeah. 767 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:38,880 Right. 768 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,880 You gotta be known for something. 769 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:48,240 So anyway, yeah, this is a good cigar. 770 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:51,600 Gets bitter towards the end, which is not surprising given its girth. 771 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,240 Well, and length too, you know. 772 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:57,040 Well, it's a relatively short cigar, but it is. 773 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,120 That's what I mean, like it's short. 774 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,120 Pick around. 775 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,120 Woohoo. 776 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:07,600 But the start of our Nub series, this was a good start and catch us next week for the 777 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,160 next In the Nub series. 778 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,240 Be safe, have fun. 779 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:27,880 Thanks for listening.