1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Nate. 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:10,200 And I'm Mike. 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,680 We are going to do a first ever on the podcast. 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,720 I hope you're all sitting down. 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,660 Unless you're standing and listening, then that's great too. 6 00:00:19,660 --> 00:00:25,040 We're going to do two back to back in one episode, one episode. 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,460 I feel like I'm like a circus. 8 00:00:27,460 --> 00:00:28,660 Step right up, step right up. 9 00:00:28,660 --> 00:00:35,200 Come and see the great show of Nate and Mike smoking two Alec Bradley seconds back to back. 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:40,480 These are unlabeled, but we've got a light wrapper and we've got a short wrapper and 11 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:43,080 they are Rothschilds. 12 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,080 These are Rothschild size. 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,080 Yep. 14 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:50,800 So we're going to start with the light one and we've got a doozy of a topic this episode, 15 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,760 but we're going to start with the light one and then we'll get into the topic. 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,680 So I'm going to get cut and lit. 17 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,640 And Mike will tell us a little bit about the cigars. 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:07,040 So these are Alec Bradley's, as you know, Rothschild size, which I like. 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:14,080 And Alec Bradley makes a lot of promo style cigars, I would say. 20 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,760 And this is something they call a second. 21 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:23,240 So these are not, they're usually wrapped too tight or too loose or there's something 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,280 off about them. 23 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,640 Maybe the color, the one I have is not off color. 24 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:29,640 I got them in a bundle. 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:30,640 I don't know. 26 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,760 Mine told me an off color joke, but otherwise it's pretty good. 27 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:36,760 You know what? 28 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,120 And I have to say, I just lit it and the draw is amazing through this. 29 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,760 So it might be loose, looser than their spec. 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:46,760 That's oversized. 31 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:47,760 You know what? 32 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,640 That could be of the original cigar. 33 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:55,160 And I don't even know what these are originally supposed to be, to be perfectly honest. 34 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,960 It's not like the Edge Humar, something. 35 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,840 It's more like the Ben Maduro, except I know the brand of this one. 36 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:02,840 Yes. 37 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:03,840 Okay. 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,600 You know, I'm just going to go out on a limb. 39 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:13,600 And I think I mentioned before on this podcast that I'm not the taste expert and I'm not 40 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:14,880 the smell expert. 41 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,120 You know, my wife sometimes would be like, oh, what's that smell? 42 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:18,120 Can you smell that? 43 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,080 And I'm like, no, I don't know what you're talking about. 44 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:28,920 But I'm getting kind of like an almost like a nutty, like kind of like a nut flavor from 45 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:29,920 this. 46 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:30,920 It is. 47 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:32,920 And they smell really nice. 48 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:33,920 They smell. 49 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:34,920 Oh yeah. 50 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:35,920 Yeah. 51 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:36,920 Yeah. 52 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:37,920 You know, like what a cigar should smell like. 53 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:38,920 Yes. 54 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:39,920 Ha ha ha. 55 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:40,920 But. 56 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:45,160 So first few puffs, you know, I like it so far. 57 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,600 As we know on the show, sometimes what you taste at the beginning is what you taste at 58 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:49,600 the end. 59 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,160 And sometimes it's not. 60 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:56,520 But as it stands right now, even though it's a second, I would happily smoke this all the 61 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:57,520 way to the end. 62 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:58,520 Yes. 63 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,400 Like I say, most of these are, it's a branded second. 64 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,760 So it's probably going to be pretty good. 65 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:11,200 And you can guess based on the shape and the color of what they're supposed to be. 66 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,120 Wink, wink. 67 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:18,240 It's not like a Fuma where they're saying it's this cigar. 68 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:23,600 This was supposed to be a factory rolled cigar that was just one of the ones that couldn't 69 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:24,600 pass the test. 70 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,600 So to speak. 71 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:26,600 Yeah. 72 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:31,800 Well, and they have other cigars that don't pass any tests and they probably just trash, 73 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:32,800 right? 74 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:39,200 Like quality control purposes, like it got wrapped weird or, you know, the length. 75 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:40,960 I'm guessing they don't have a lot of wrap issues. 76 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,000 They probably have a lot of discoloration issues as they age. 77 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Oh, okay. 78 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,000 Yeah. 79 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,960 Usually when they're discolored, it's not like really obvious. 80 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:50,960 You know what I mean? 81 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:51,960 Yeah. 82 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,800 Well, not to, not to like, you know, us, right? 83 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,800 We don't look at their production line every day, you know? 84 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,800 Right. 85 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,360 It's a cigar that would look out of place in the box. 86 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:05,360 Yes. 87 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,960 But not out of place in my hand, which is where it currently is. 88 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,760 And I like smoking seconds. 89 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,840 I think a lot of guys like myself do. 90 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:15,840 Yeah. 91 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,160 But there's really nothing wrong with that. 92 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:27,280 You know, it's, and with the way everything's been kind of more globalized, you can get 93 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:33,920 a lot of, I don't really want to call them knockoffs because it isn't really, but there's 94 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:43,360 a lot of imitations or alternate versions of things you can buy that, or emulate. 95 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:49,680 They emulate the name brand expensive price tag, but they do it in a way that doesn't 96 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,880 have the expensive price tag. 97 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,120 So you're not like a hundred percent sure what you're going to get, but you know, if 98 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,200 they went, if they studied what they're kind of like emulating, you just know it's going 99 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,440 to be, it's going to be good. 100 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:03,440 It's going to be decent. 101 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:04,440 So 102 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:05,440 Right. 103 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,080 I'm a big fan of factory second, Redwing boots. 104 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:09,080 Okay. 105 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:16,560 A lot of times they have like a loose, the stitching is tight, but the way that they 106 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,400 blasted the leather, there's like a loose spot on it. 107 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,000 So it's not perfectly shaped. 108 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,000 Oh, okay. 109 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,160 Which blends right out after you wear it, after you wear them and get them worn in, 110 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,040 you can't tell. 111 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,160 But there's like a weird, you know, there's like a loose spot or a tight spot. 112 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,160 Okay. 113 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,120 That'll shake back in as you use them. 114 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,640 You know, you can't even tell. 115 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:40,640 Yeah. 116 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,400 Those black Redwings that I wear, you've seen me wear them. 117 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:45,400 Yeah. 118 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:46,400 Those were seconds. 119 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:47,400 Oh, okay. 120 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:48,400 Yeah. 121 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,200 And I saved 130 bucks. 122 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:51,200 Yeah. 123 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:56,640 Buying seconds and you, one of the boots had a loose part. 124 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:02,600 It had a little bulge right where the last meets the welt at the bottom. 125 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:03,600 Okay. 126 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,360 And it was just ugly until you, until I broke them in. 127 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,320 And then now you can't even tell. 128 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:10,320 Yeah. 129 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:16,640 So well, and even, even to the untrained or uninitiated, I'm sure at the very beginning, 130 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,880 unless you were looking really closely, you couldn't tell. 131 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:19,880 Yeah. 132 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:26,840 Once they were on my feet, they were fine, but you're not going to charge 320 bucks for 133 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:29,360 a pair of boots that aren't perfect. 134 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:34,680 No, and not representative of the brand you want to convey, but that doesn't mean that 135 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:44,040 they're any worse than, you know, the, the flagship line or the non-second version, you 136 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,960 know, it's just, if I had an office job, I'd wear those every day. 137 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:53,920 Didn't quite, didn't quite meet the quality control brands, you know, on point stuff. 138 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,960 So, but I'm really excited because we get to talk about one of my favorite authors tonight. 139 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:04,760 Today, whenever you're listening, Kurt Vonnegut. 140 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,120 Yes. 141 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,760 So we did the Animal Farm. 142 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,680 We both read that. 143 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:15,400 We didn't call each other every night and read, read each other chapters, but we both 144 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,320 read or consumed it. 145 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,800 Because Mike does a lot of audio books because he's in the car a lot. 146 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,640 And I've never really gotten into the audio books. 147 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,480 So I always just read and we both read Animal Farmer. 148 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:31,920 We talked about that on a previous episode and we did a Kurt Vonnegut book, Slaughterhouse 149 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,000 Five, which is one of my favorite Kurt Vonnegut books of all time. 150 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,320 It's a very famous book. 151 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,720 And it's the first time that I ever listened to it. 152 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,680 I listened to it on audiobook twice. 153 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:43,680 Yeah. 154 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,880 And have you, have you had any exposure to Kurt Vonnegut previously? 155 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,440 No, no, I did not. 156 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:50,440 Okay. 157 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:56,600 I've had exposure to post modernist literature. 158 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,640 So I understood the style and the content. 159 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:02,640 Yes. 160 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:10,440 So, you know, like I read Boiling Hippos and the Beat Novels and all that sort of thing. 161 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:16,640 And I would say, and I recently read for the first time White Noise, which I know they're 162 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,760 going out with a, I think a movie adaptation of that. 163 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,680 And I can't, and forgive me, I can't remember the author right now. 164 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:29,720 I think it's something I'm not even going to guess, but I read it and I was very impressed. 165 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:35,480 And it's actually, if you've heard of the band, the Airborne Toxic Event, that's the 166 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,200 novel they take their band name from. 167 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:44,680 But it's basically a professor who is an expert in Hitler studies. 168 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:48,320 So that's all he teaches is Hitler. 169 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:54,560 Not because he's pro Hitler, but that's just his, he's made, it's funny because he made 170 00:08:54,560 --> 00:09:00,560 like a huge name for himself in Hitler studies, but he doesn't speak German. 171 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:05,280 And so part of the book is he's super nervous about having to go give this keynote speech 172 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,400 because he doesn't speak German and everybody's going to expect him to speak German because 173 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,120 he's a Hitler studies professor. 174 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,400 So it's, I think it fits in that same vein of postmodern. 175 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:16,400 Right. 176 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,160 Or very similar to. 177 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,400 It's by Don DeLilo, Never Her Own. 178 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,400 Yeah. 179 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:24,400 I would recommend that book. 180 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,240 That one's, that one's pretty fun and disturbing. 181 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,600 Kind of like most of- 182 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,080 Never read it to be honest with you. 183 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,080 Well yeah. 184 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,600 And I had never read it until I think last year. 185 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:42,120 Cause I've been trying to branch out and read more, read more books and read more things 186 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:50,240 that are, I don't know, different, I guess, not Game of Thrones or Twilight or Harry Potter. 187 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:56,080 It's eye opening to read a lot of the postmodern novels by like that World War II veteran generation. 188 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,080 Yeah. 189 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,960 Cause it's always like, those fuckers were dark. 190 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,760 It's so anti what society tells you those people should be. 191 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:06,760 Oh sure. 192 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:07,760 You know what I mean? 193 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,120 Or like what the media says, like, oh, the last great war. 194 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:16,460 And to dive right into Slaughterhouse Five, I love like the prelude or the preface where 195 00:10:16,460 --> 00:10:22,720 he's talking about, he goes and talks to his war buddy and his wife, his war buddy's wife 196 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,720 is like, you better not make this where people want to go and enlist. 197 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,040 Right. 198 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,860 You guys were all men and you were all heroes and it was glorious. 199 00:10:31,860 --> 00:10:36,280 And she's like, you were kids and you better not make this where more kids sign up to go 200 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:37,280 fight. 201 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:38,280 Right. 202 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,640 And it definitely was not, it was definitely an anti war novel. 203 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:46,120 I want you to talk first because I've read it before and I've got all my own like, you 204 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:51,000 know, Kurt Vonnegut reading Boner, I guess. 205 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,000 Sure. 206 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,040 But you having never read a Kurt Vonnegut book, I'm so excited to hear your thoughts, 207 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,600 whether bad or both or indifferent. 208 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:08,020 So the first listen through, I read it more literally than it was intended or I listened 209 00:11:08,020 --> 00:11:11,640 to it more literally than it was intended to be taken. 210 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,240 And I was like, God damn, this is dark. 211 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:20,880 You know, I focused a lot on his wife dying as he was in the hospital. 212 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:27,200 And like those like darker personal aspects and I kind of didn't focus a whole lot on 213 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,720 the World War II story. 214 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,680 What could be taken as flashbacks, right? 215 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:35,280 Quote unquote. 216 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:36,720 Well he's unstuck in time. 217 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:46,320 So he's he's unstuck in time, but I focus less on that and more on his like life story, 218 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,880 which did tie in. 219 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,680 It was patterned throughout and it was so depressing. 220 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:52,680 Yeah. 221 00:11:52,680 --> 00:12:05,040 And then the second time through, I listened to it more of like a PTSD kind of story where 222 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:10,400 I was like, because I had already heard the story, I could focus more on the details. 223 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:17,720 Yeah, there's a lot of details and a lot of the things obviously got tied back and tied 224 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,000 back and tied back. 225 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,960 Yeah, which I thought was funny. 226 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:32,200 And I definitely on second reading perceived it as a attack on the US government and their 227 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:39,760 denial of PTSD and World War II soldiers because that was a theme over and over. 228 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:44,640 That I noticed on the second reading where it was like, oh, he was in the hospital for 229 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,320 the psychiatric thing, but it was definitely wasn't the war. 230 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,840 Just like in the end, it was like this brigadier general who had never seen the war who just 231 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,320 totally discounted him. 232 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,320 Yes. 233 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:00,360 He was saying something bad about the bombing of Dresden because it's totally just war is 234 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:01,360 wonderful. 235 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:02,360 Yeah. 236 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,280 Well, and the counterpoint, I guess not the counterpoint, but like another thing is that 237 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:10,960 brigadier general was complaining because he had to rewrite his World War II history 238 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:16,880 books because they just declassified the Dresden bombing and now he had to include that in 239 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:17,880 his book, right? 240 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:18,880 Yes. 241 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,720 He had to go back and rewrite it and include Dresden because if he didn't, then nobody 242 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,080 was going to believe he was even part of the war because now it's been declassified. 243 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:27,080 Right. 244 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:34,440 And he said a bunch of sissies to that effect would have been bothered about all the death 245 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,600 that was caused in the Battle of Dresden, even though Dresden was known not to have 246 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:43,600 any value in the war, which it did, I'm sure. 247 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:44,600 Well yeah. 248 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,520 That's what total war is, right? 249 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,120 We're still complaining about the burning of Atlanta. 250 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:51,360 Yeah. 251 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,080 And just for our, to get our listeners up to speed, if you've never read Slaughterhouse 252 00:13:55,080 --> 00:14:00,480 5, we've got spoiler alerts, yada, yada. 253 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:07,100 But it's basically Kurt Vonnegut lived through the bombing of Dresden. 254 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:12,280 And this is his novelization kind of, of that. 255 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:18,320 And it's maybe less about the actual bombing of Dresden than it is about, like you said, 256 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:26,280 you know, just war in general and kind of the government's role in war, which is different 257 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,920 than the people actually fighting the war's role in war. 258 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:31,920 Sure. 259 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,640 And I viewed, well, I guess, like I say, I read it, I listened to it once through, took 260 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,000 it literally the second time he started paying attention. 261 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:47,480 And it almost seemed like every time that he slipped between the two was a triggering 262 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,640 event for like PTSD, like a PTSD trigger. 263 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,120 And then it would flip and flip and flip. 264 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,560 And it was always on a trigger point and a trigger point and trigger point. 265 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,560 And it was very well done. 266 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:00,560 Oh man. 267 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,280 I'm sure that you pick more up on it when you read it with your eyes instead of listening 268 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:05,760 to it in a novel. 269 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:06,760 Yeah. 270 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:12,680 And I did, and Mike and I talked about this a little bit on in between episodes, we'll 271 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:20,960 say, but Kurt Vonnegut does some really phenomenal, and we're not talking Vincent van Gogh or 272 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:31,160 Picasso, but he does some phenomenal hand illustrations in his books. 273 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:37,080 And like I said, if you have like an elementary school kid, that's about the level of his 274 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,720 drawings, no offense to Kurt. 275 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,700 And I think they're intentionally done that way, right? 276 00:15:42,700 --> 00:15:49,320 Because he does write about a lot of heavy subjects, but he does so in kind of like a 277 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,360 laugh out loud way. 278 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:57,800 And I told Mike this too, my brother and I read almost everything Kurt has ever written 279 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,040 and then we read it in high school and like early college. 280 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:06,040 And we instantly like after the first like book or two, this was still when you could 281 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,360 go out in public, right? 282 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,800 And you could read a book and nobody would look at you like you're like a mass murderer 283 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:11,800 or something. 284 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,760 But this was before like internet was on your phone and all this stuff. 285 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,120 But we made a rule that we can't read Kurt Vonnegut in public because you're reading 286 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:25,320 about the firebombing of Dresden and then he'll throw something in there and it's just 287 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,080 the most absurd funny thing ever. 288 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:34,720 Like one of the lines in the book was I think when Billy Pilgrim was at the zoo on Trafalgar 289 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:41,800 Moor and they were like, and he goes and Billy was hung or something like he had like a massive 290 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,240 cock or something. 291 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:44,240 And it's like what? 292 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,240 He had a massive wing. 293 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:46,240 Yeah, massive wing. 294 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,600 And you're like, wait a second, this is a book about the firebombing of Dresden. 295 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:55,880 You have your protagonist in an alien zoo stripped naked. 296 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:00,640 He's got a massive wing and he's banging a movie star. 297 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:06,240 But then even the banging the movie star came back later and Billy was like, oh yeah, a 298 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,160 lot of times I just had to do like domestic things for her and she wanted like attention 299 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,640 because she was raising our child. 300 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:18,240 But we're in a zoo so is it like, it wasn't really like a child, like humans, like on 301 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:19,240 earth. 302 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,600 So like it was disconnected somehow, right? 303 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,000 And you could like pick that up from the writing. 304 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,760 So I don't know, I really love Kurt Vonnegut and his writing style. 305 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:30,760 And it's- 306 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,000 I laughed at the beginning when he said most of the things in this story are true. 307 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,200 Well, at least some of the things. 308 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,600 Well, this and this and this and this I did see with my own eyes. 309 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:42,600 Yeah, yeah. 310 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,800 Where it's like, okay, so we've already been prefaced. 311 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:52,240 The parts of the war, a lot of it like is true. 312 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:53,240 Oh yeah. 313 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,240 Yeah. 314 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:59,440 And there is like a very true story hidden in there. 315 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:00,440 Yeah. 316 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,640 And one of my favorite things and you know, I've read this book a lot because it's one 317 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,840 of my favorites of his. 318 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:11,920 I love, I think every book I've read of his I really enjoy. 319 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:17,120 And I wish I could keep them all separate in my head, but it's all kind of like the mass 320 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:18,640 of Kurt Vonnegut, right? 321 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,680 So like when I think about Kurt Vonnegut, I think of course of Slaughterhouse Five, but 322 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,440 I think of all the other books of his that I've read and I can't remember which scenes 323 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,120 are from which books because they all kind of blend together because- 324 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:31,120 Sure. 325 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:33,000 No, I know exactly what you mean. 326 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,000 It's like Dune. 327 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:39,440 Once you've read a lot of the Dune story, it's hard to pick out where- 328 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,880 Which book did this happen in? 329 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,840 I remember liking it, but I don't know where it was. 330 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,960 Where can I say? 331 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:52,520 But I love, I love because in Slaughterhouse Five, it starts out the first whole chapter 332 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,080 is him, just him, Kurt Vonnegut. 333 00:18:55,080 --> 00:19:04,480 He's writing about himself going and visiting a war buddy whose wife hates him and stuff. 334 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,240 And then you're like, okay, I guess this is a preface. 335 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:12,560 And then it's all Billy Pilgrim and it's like, you're three quarters of the way through. 336 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,760 And somebody shit their brains out. 337 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,600 And then Kurt goes, that was me. 338 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:17,600 That was I. 339 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:18,600 I was there. 340 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:19,600 I shit my brains out in that boxcar or something. 341 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,120 And it's like, he throws himself back in there and you're like, oh, holy fuck. 342 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:25,040 He told me he was in here at the beginning. 343 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,480 More broadly than that, it was somebody said, I'm going to shit my brains out. 344 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,320 Then that person said, oh, there they go. 345 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,520 There they go. 346 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:36,520 That was me. 347 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:37,520 There they go. 348 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:44,880 I mean, it's that kind of stuff where it's like, but you're reading about the firebombing 349 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,200 of Dresden, but you're not. 350 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:52,960 I mean, you're reading about human nature, really. 351 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:59,280 I found the parts about World War II very intriguing, especially like the Englishman's 352 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,000 speech was interesting. 353 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,000 Oh, yeah. 354 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,360 The American Nazi was super interesting. 355 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:13,240 I thought that his little diagnosis of America was like on the nose. 356 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,640 All Americans are poor. 357 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,720 They're trained to hate each other, especially the other poor. 358 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,400 And everything that he said was actually true. 359 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,120 Like I've been in a bar with a small little American plague and the little picture on 360 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:29,880 the wall that says, if you're so smart, why aren't you rich? 361 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,320 I've been in those bars. 362 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,320 It was you. 363 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,320 Literally that. 364 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,320 Yeah. 365 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,040 And it's true. 366 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:43,480 I loved how the English, they were captured at the start of the war, right? 367 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:52,400 And they built up their POW camp and they were putting on stage plays, stage plays. 368 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,800 And then you get these Americans and it's at the end of the war and they've been fighting 369 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:03,320 and slugging through the trenches and the mud and the death and the blood. 370 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:10,880 And they get dragged into the POW camp after spending a week on this train. 371 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:16,800 And they're watching like Cinderella by the English being put out on stage. 372 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:22,480 Like these very buff Englishmen who have been working out for five years. 373 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:23,480 Yeah. 374 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,240 And improving their lives and reading and making the best of their time in the POW camp. 375 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:36,600 But you read it and it's like, you feel as disoriented as Billy Pilgrim did. 376 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:42,440 And he steals the spray painted silver boots and that's what he wears the rest of the novel. 377 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:50,240 So he's always wearing this goofy getup because he just has to scrounge. 378 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:56,680 But you're watching a stage play and they were able to acquire silver spray paint in 379 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:01,240 their POW camp to put on the stage play. 380 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:06,160 And they were the two brothers, the snipers, right? 381 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,840 That got killed when Billy got picked up. 382 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:15,080 And he got fresh off of people dying in front of his eyes. 383 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,160 And now he's watching Cinderella on stage. 384 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,160 Right. 385 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,960 And he was already in shock, clearly. 386 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:21,960 Well, yes, of course. 387 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:27,120 He was already in shock by the time that he got picked up. 388 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,120 And very interesting. 389 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:30,120 Yeah. 390 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:32,440 I like that he kept on laying down and trying to die. 391 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,640 And they kept on picking him up and picking him up and picking him up. 392 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,880 And then the two guys who were trying to keep him alive and the weird guy who died in the 393 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:47,520 train, which how was it Billy Pilgrim's fault that the weird guy died? 394 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,520 Yeah. 395 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,000 And that was the guy that was like, we're the three musketeers. 396 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,840 And then the other two snipers were like, we don't want no part of that. 397 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,560 We don't want to be the three musketeers. 398 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,120 How was it Billy's fault that that guy died on the train, though? 399 00:22:58,120 --> 00:22:59,120 I just don't get it. 400 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:00,120 It's not, no, but it doesn't matter. 401 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:01,120 Yeah, it's weird. 402 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:02,120 That's kind of the point. 403 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:03,120 Yeah. 404 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:10,560 The second time through, I tried to find the point at which he fucked with this guy, but 405 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,560 it just never came about. 406 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,720 He would just blame for his death for no reason. 407 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:14,720 Oh yeah. 408 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,720 The only reason this other guy, I think his name was what, Ronald? 409 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:20,720 Something like that. 410 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:21,720 He was a plumber. 411 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,920 He was the son of a plumber who was really into weird shit executions. 412 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:27,920 Yeah. 413 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:33,360 But the only, I think the only reason that Billy was ever blamed was because Billy was 414 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:37,240 the exact opposite personality of this guy. 415 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:42,400 And so this guy took Billy's wanting to die and not wanting to fight the war anymore as 416 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,200 like a personal affront. 417 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,400 And I think that's the only reason because Billy was like, do you guys go on without 418 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,400 me? 419 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,400 Just leave me. 420 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,400 I'm happy. 421 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,400 Like leave me alone. 422 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,120 And this guy would go back and like punch Billy in the face and like get him up and 423 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:56,120 moving again. 424 00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:57,120 You know? 425 00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:02,500 So like he kind of made it his own like personal vendetta to keep Billy alive, which he hated. 426 00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:06,200 But the only reason he did it was because he hated Billy so much that he didn't want 427 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:14,920 Billy to like be able to die and fulfill his destiny or whatever, because it was so against 428 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,800 this other guy's perspective. 429 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:18,800 Right. 430 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:24,520 And I really like the cast of characters, you know, the hobo, which I identify with 431 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:25,520 the hobo. 432 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:26,520 I've had it worse. 433 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,520 I've had it worse. 434 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:28,520 Yes. 435 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:29,520 Yeah. 436 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,520 Until he died. 437 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,520 Yes. 438 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,400 And I'll meet you in Cody, Wyoming. 439 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,400 You know, wild Bill. 440 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,400 Yeah. 441 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,640 If you're ever in Cody, Wyoming, find wild Bill. 442 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:40,640 Yeah. 443 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,800 Cody is a huge fucking place, by the way. 444 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:43,800 Oh, I know that. 445 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:44,800 I know. 446 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:45,800 I've been there. 447 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:46,800 Okay. 448 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:47,800 Yeah. 449 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:48,800 I mean, that's a ridiculous statement. 450 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:49,800 I looked for a wild Bill. 451 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,240 It probably goes over the heads of readers who don't live in like, who've never been 452 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:55,240 there. 453 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,240 It's like a huge... 454 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,240 Yeah. 455 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,160 Or who don't live or have come from bum fuck nowhere. 456 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,160 Yeah. 457 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,640 There's a thousand wild Bills in Cody, Wyoming, I'm sure. 458 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:03,640 Yeah. 459 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:04,640 There has to be. 460 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,640 There has to be. 461 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:06,640 All right. 462 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:07,640 So quick pause. 463 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,640 I'm done with this cigar. 464 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,200 What? 465 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,840 I'm only halfway through. 466 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:13,840 Holy shit, dude. 467 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:14,840 What the hell? 468 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:15,840 I don't know. 469 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,880 Maybe mine's looser than yours. 470 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,200 That's what she said. 471 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,200 Must be. 472 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,480 Mine's actually tasting great too. 473 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,080 Dude, I like this one. 474 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,200 This one's really good. 475 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,880 And maybe that's why I've been smoking it so much. 476 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:27,880 Yeah. 477 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:28,880 It's light. 478 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:29,880 It's lighter than... 479 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,080 I mean, it's a Connecticut, so it is a little lighter. 480 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,080 Yeah. 481 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,760 Which maybe I'm starting to really like the Connecticut's, I guess. 482 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,640 I think they've got a really good place. 483 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,280 What was the one that we smoked that was a Connecticut, but then it got like so dark at 484 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,240 the end that we were both like buzzing? 485 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,240 Was that the Edge? 486 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,240 No, that wasn't the Edge. 487 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,880 That was the Perdomo Champagne. 488 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:53,880 That one is great. 489 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:54,880 But it was the big one. 490 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,880 Yeah. 491 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,440 It was like a Super Toro. 492 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,400 It was not like a Robusto. 493 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:00,840 It was Super Toro. 494 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,680 I liked that one a lot. 495 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,000 And that was the 10th anniversary special edition, blah, blah, blah, blah. 496 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,840 That was a pretty expensive stick. 497 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:09,840 Okay. 498 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:10,840 That one was so good. 499 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:11,840 Yeah. 500 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,840 I think I only got two of those. 501 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,720 But yes, it was that one. 502 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,520 I think I paid $12 for it. 503 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,520 Okay. 504 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,960 So at a store it would be 18 bucks, 15 bucks. 505 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:22,960 Easy. 506 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:23,960 Yeah. 507 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:24,960 Yeah. 508 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:25,960 It was a good stick though. 509 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:26,960 It was really good. 510 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:27,960 This one's really good. 511 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:28,960 I like this one a lot. 512 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:29,960 How much do you have left? 513 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,960 You're only halfway through? 514 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,200 I have over two inches left, if you can believe it. 515 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,200 I absolutely cannot. 516 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,200 But yeah. 517 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,320 I don't know how the hell you popped that down. 518 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,680 The truth is the truth, I guess. 519 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,360 Well, you were doing a little more talking. 520 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:46,360 That's true. 521 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:47,360 Yeah. 522 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,400 We're vamping a lot. 523 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,960 We're not doing the synopsis of the story. 524 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,240 It's difficult to do a synopsis of the story. 525 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,240 You can't. 526 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,520 It's Billy's on a second time. 527 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:04,200 You can't really summarize the story other than the firebombing of Dresden plays a part, 528 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:10,000 aliens play a part, PTSD, and just general life. 529 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:17,560 The layout of the story, the World War II part is in order, but then it cuts. 530 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,760 The beginning and the end of the novel are actually the same setting, and the middle 531 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,160 is jumbled up. 532 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,320 It starts and ends in the same place, and the narrator actually takes over for the last 533 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,560 page or so. 534 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,480 And then the World War II story goes throughout, which is horrific. 535 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,280 I actually did not know that they made, I mean, I don't even know if it's true. 536 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,600 I did look up the bombing of Dresden. 537 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,880 He made up the number. 538 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,360 There was not, according to the government, 135,000 people that died. 539 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:55,160 That was thrown out, but they think it's more like 30,000, 40,000 people died, which is 540 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,920 horrific, but less so. 541 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:03,240 With those stats too, though, I don't know that they always count the full civilian count. 542 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,240 Right. 543 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:12,240 And the government has maybe, because our government did it, so they have a vested interest 544 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,120 in making that number less in retrospect. 545 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,400 So I don't know. 546 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,560 It's probably somewhere between the two numbers is what I would say. 547 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,000 Just trying to look at it logically, I suppose. 548 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,640 But it's interesting is all the times I've read it, and even this last time I read it, 549 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,480 I never even considered PTSD. 550 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,480 Really? 551 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:43,160 So that's a great insight because it totally does make sense. 552 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,520 Oh, my grandfather had real bad PTSD. 553 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:47,520 Okay. 554 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,520 But that's why I enjoy it. 555 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,520 It fits the premise, right? 556 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,520 Yeah. 557 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:59,120 That's why I like reading books with other people, because everybody's got a little bit 558 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,920 different take on everything. 559 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,640 So it really opens up awareness. 560 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,680 Well, you never notice the anti-government talk with, oh, this has nothing to do with 561 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,680 the war. 562 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,800 It was repeated multiple times. 563 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,800 Oh, no. 564 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:14,800 I picked up the anti-government. 565 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:15,800 Yeah. 566 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:16,800 This has nothing to do with the war. 567 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:26,480 I never ascribed it like the PTSD lens or filter. 568 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,480 You know what I mean? 569 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:35,280 A lot of the postmodern, the beat generation, those guys all wrote about it before the government 570 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,480 admitted it was true. 571 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,480 Yeah. 572 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,000 But there's an awful lot that's going on in the book, even though it's a short book, and 573 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,400 it's written very excessively. 574 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,400 He doesn't- 575 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,400 Oh, yeah. 576 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,160 There's nothing complicated to it. 577 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,720 But there's a lot going on. 578 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,440 And that's why I like it so much. 579 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:09,200 And one of my favorite things about Kurt Vonnegut is he takes almost like everyday feelings. 580 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:16,120 And I suppose whether they're PTSD or not, but when he talks about Billy marrying the 581 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,920 wife that he married, and then becoming a successful optometrist because his wife's 582 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,680 dad ran a successful optometry business. 583 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,160 He ran the school. 584 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:35,800 And he never really even liked his wife, but Kurt made a point that Billy bought this super 585 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:43,520 expensive $800 ring to give to his wife at this party. 586 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:49,320 But then, do you remember when Billy got so shook up by the barbershop quartet that sang 587 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,320 his songs? 588 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,320 By the Fabs. 589 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,320 Yes. 590 00:30:52,320 --> 00:31:02,360 And he got so shook up that he couldn't even give her the ring in the manner he intended. 591 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,640 And then now that you say PTSD, I'm like, oh my, that makes sense. 592 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,560 That's exactly what that was. 593 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:15,600 Did you also pick up on Billy treated his wife so well, there was another woman at the 594 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,520 party that was jealous and started talking shit about how his wife already had all the 595 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,320 jewelry in town? 596 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,320 Yes. 597 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:31,600 So even though he was not super impressed with his wife, he still treated her very, 598 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,600 very well. 599 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,600 Oh, of course. 600 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,480 Of course. 601 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:46,480 And then it got even weirder because there's so much with Billy's character to delve into, 602 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,920 that he didn't want to be in the war and he wanted to die. 603 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,800 But then he came back from the war and he married this woman he didn't really want to 604 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,240 marry, but he did. 605 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:02,720 And then he treated her great, like you should. 606 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:08,840 She got the diamond that he found in the coat. 607 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:14,720 And there's never any instances of him ever behaving poorly towards her. 608 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,520 Other than cheating on her once. 609 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:18,520 In the zoo? 610 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,520 No, no. 611 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,520 Oh, okay. 612 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,520 Yes. 613 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:22,520 Yep. 614 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,960 But he was drunk, so it's okay, right? 615 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,320 And he was shamed and he couldn't find the steering wheel. 616 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,320 Yes. 617 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,160 And he was in the back seat. 618 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:40,000 But you know, and that, and that like, and I feel almost like that generation was like, 619 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,800 I don't know of most, but like, I feel like a lot of them had mistresses. 620 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:51,200 Like that was just kind of like the culture at the time. 621 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,160 But I think by and large, he treated her very well. 622 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,760 And only us, the readers knew that he didn't, wasn't super thrilled about the whole thing. 623 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,760 She was as big as a house. 624 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,760 Yes. 625 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,440 And she kept on eating candy. 626 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,720 That was constant too, eating candy. 627 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:08,720 Yeah. 628 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,400 And only to us, the reader, like that wasn't something that he went about town saying, 629 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,400 I don't think. 630 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,480 You know, like you never got that feeling that he was vindictive in any way. 631 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,480 No. 632 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,120 And I also got the feeling that his son, the green beret died too, even though it wasn't 633 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,120 explicitly said. 634 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,120 Yeah. 635 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,760 Cause there's a line where it was like, oh yeah, back when he was still alive or something. 636 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,760 Yes. 637 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,920 Back when he was still alive. 638 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:42,560 And I think, you know, like Kurt takes a lot of these very complex emotions and kind of 639 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,000 like packages them up in a little like humorous anecdote. 640 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:54,320 You know, like the, the aliens, the Trafalgar Morians or Trafal, I don't know how to pronounce 641 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,320 it, but. 642 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,080 Have you lit your second cigar, Nate? 643 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,080 Not yet. 644 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,080 I'm waiting for you. 645 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,080 Oh, you should light it. 646 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,840 And if I'm, if I fall behind, I mean, I had, oh, I got a good intro. 647 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,840 I'm going to put this one out. 648 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,560 So I'll wait. 649 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,200 I'll wait for you. 650 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,560 We should light at the same time so we can give initial thoughts. 651 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,560 Thanks. 652 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,560 This is starting to get a little sour on me. 653 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:16,560 Yeah. 654 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,480 And the last two inches here, I put it out in an inch. 655 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:26,480 So it was smoking it faster than I otherwise would. 656 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,480 Yes. 657 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,320 Well, there's, there's really no rush, but you know, mine got a little sour at the last 658 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,160 inch and a half and I gave it the last half inch and then it kind of poured out. 659 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,600 So mine's woody and light and a little nutty. 660 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,360 It's very pleasant. 661 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,360 I got more nut. 662 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:47,880 I got more nutty at the beginning and it kind of gets into more of that, um, woodiness later, 663 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:48,960 but it's good. 664 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,240 I like, I like both flavors. 665 00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:52,720 Even right now I'm getting like walnut. 666 00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:54,720 It's sort of more like an acorn. 667 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:55,720 Yeah. 668 00:34:55,720 --> 00:34:58,720 Everybody's every acorn, acorns. 669 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:01,200 And uh, now it's more like a darker walnut. 670 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,200 Very nice. 671 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,200 It's changed. 672 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,200 It's a, like I say, it's a good smoke. 673 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,200 Yeah. 674 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:13,120 A lot of these, especially if you get a branded second, it seems like it's a good cigar. 675 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,400 It's probably not something you're going to give to your uncle at a party because it doesn't 676 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,600 have a band on it. 677 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,840 But if you did, it'd be good. 678 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,200 Depending on how much you like your uncle, uh, and how into appearances he is. 679 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,480 But I think if you gave this to somebody, I think they would like it. 680 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,640 Like even your uncle would like it. 681 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,240 They might like turn their nose up. 682 00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:33,080 Like, oh, it doesn't have a band on it. 683 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,080 But right. 684 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:39,040 Well, I mentioned last episode that I smoked a edge at a party. 685 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,040 Yeah. 686 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,720 The reason why I did is I was going to go to this party and I knew that Sarah's uncle 687 00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:47,200 was going to be there and he smoked cigars and he gave me a punch. 688 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,560 He gave me a pretty good cigar too. 689 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:56,040 But uh, when we lit it up, I was like, you know, blah, blah, blah. 690 00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,040 I actually liked the fuma of this cigar a lot better because they had a box of the fuma 691 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,840 and I got a box of the edges and the fuma are way better. 692 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,280 And he's like, oh man, I need to try one of those now. 693 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,280 Okay. 694 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,520 Should have brought to him. 695 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,600 But because I, I do think the fuma are better. 696 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,760 Just me too. 697 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,400 So Nate, you want to take us down? 698 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,120 This is not a novel where we can start at the beginning and end at the end because it 699 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,560 gets jumped so far. 700 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,560 Yeah. 701 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,560 It's really not. 702 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:30,840 Billy's life gets cut up. 703 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:38,480 The beginning and the end of his life are the same, same place where his wife is dead 704 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,480 and now he's at home in a house that doesn't have any heat and his daughter is treating 705 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,480 him like a child. 706 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:45,480 Yes. 707 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,280 Who's apparently very attractive. 708 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,640 Even though she's also eating a Mars bar, hinting that she's going to blow up as big 709 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,640 as a house as well. 710 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:54,640 Yes. 711 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,040 But she doesn't have the same personality that the mother had because apparently I never 712 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:06,920 felt like Billy's wife was mean or overly commandeering or patientizing. 713 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,560 She seemed like a very nice woman. 714 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,080 And I think the daughter, I don't know where she got the personality from, but she didn't 715 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:21,720 inherit the personality from either of her parents. 716 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:24,920 So that's probably her own doing, but the daughter definitely did seem a little more 717 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:33,320 like up in their business and wanted to take charge of Billy's life, especially post accident. 718 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,320 Yes. 719 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,440 And you know, you can- 720 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,920 That made me really depressed too. 721 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:39,920 Yeah. 722 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:40,920 That was so depressing. 723 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,520 And you can, I mean, you can look at this novel and you can look at it in a lot of different 724 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,160 ways. 725 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:56,100 You can read it as a very lighthearted alien slash anti-war novel and not dig too deep 726 00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:58,800 on anything and say, okay, well, they really were the aliens. 727 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:06,760 They really did take him to the zoo and he really did make love in public to the movie 728 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,760 star and raise a child there. 729 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:17,120 And their perspective on life is that everybody's always alive all the time. 730 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:24,660 Just choose, it just depends on when you choose to remember them, you know, like, which is 731 00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:26,600 a nice thought. 732 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:27,600 And maybe it's true. 733 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:32,300 I'm not a fourth dimensional or fifth dimensional interstellar being. 734 00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:37,960 So I don't know for sure, but you know, and then you can also read it in a way where it's 735 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:46,560 like this is just a man, Kurt, trying to deal with the atrocities of war, which is basically 736 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,800 just war. 737 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:54,760 You know, you don't have to go kill and rape and pillage to have war be an atrocity. 738 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,280 Sure. 739 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:01,320 And maybe it's just his way of trying to deal with it and to rationalize the people that 740 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:08,560 have died in the war that either he directly caused or just indirectly witnessed, you know, 741 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,760 and hey, they were alive five minutes ago. 742 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,960 So if I remember them five minutes ago, they're still alive. 743 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:19,960 So, you know, there's a lot of different levels or layers that you can kind of read into this 744 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,840 book. 745 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,040 And it's really kind of a terrible topic. 746 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:32,560 Well, I remember my grandfather talking extensively about how to blow up German, American and 747 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,560 French tanks. 748 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,560 Okay. 749 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,840 A lot on the Western front. 750 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:37,840 Okay. 751 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:38,840 He was a tanker. 752 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:39,840 He drove tanks. 753 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:46,240 He was six feet tall, which was too tall to be a tanker, but he joined up in California 754 00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:53,000 and he got put into a tank division being a graduate of eighth grade. 755 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:59,840 But he knew everything about how to blow up other tanks and his own tank and how to avoid 756 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:00,840 getting hit. 757 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,440 And he would talk a lot about it, but he never talked about killing people. 758 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,440 Yeah. 759 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:13,800 And so my grandpa was a merchant Marine on Navy ships and he was there at Normandy and 760 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,640 he was there offshore of Okinawa. 761 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,880 Sure. 762 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,760 The only time he ever talked about anything war related was once. 763 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:32,720 And it was, he was, I don't know, a couple of years from death at the time, you know, 764 00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:41,360 so he was older and we were all older, you know, the grandkids, it was just me and my 765 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,840 two younger brothers there. 766 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:51,440 And he got fairly drunk at dinner, not, you know, like an appropriate level of drunkenness. 767 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,440 You know what I mean? 768 00:40:52,440 --> 00:41:00,120 Like somebody gets drunk and they're chatty. 769 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:06,440 Not like the drunken, I'm going to, I don't know, smash this plate and be angry. 770 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:11,100 But you know, he was always very, very reserved and he would tell us stories about the war, 771 00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:17,040 but he'd only tell us about like a dog that they found and they kind of adopted and this 772 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:24,560 monkey that he adopted and then had to give to some other sailor, you know, cause he was 773 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,920 done with his tour or something. 774 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:34,560 But the only time he ever talked about like war stuff, you know, like more war stuff was 775 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:40,520 that one night when he got, got a little too drunk at dinner. 776 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:48,040 And it's just, it's different, you know, it's not something you go, you don't go to war 777 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:53,180 for fame and glory, you know, or if you do, you find out real quick that that's not why 778 00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:56,440 anybody's there. 779 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,800 I think, you know, sure. 780 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:06,800 So it's kind of, it's one of those book topics where you're not going to go into it thinking 781 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,380 it's, I mean, I don't know. 782 00:42:09,380 --> 00:42:14,520 It's like, it's a super heavy topic and for Kurt Vonnegut to be able to write a book about 783 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:22,080 it and to make me laugh out loud, like, and I, so like I read every night before bed and 784 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,600 so Sarah's always, you know, just laying there and doing her own stuff. 785 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,200 And I just started laughing and she goes, what are you reading now? 786 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:36,000 And so I showed her the line where Kurt was talking about this other woman and she's like, 787 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,520 I can't remember what the, what the, like the full insult was, but it was like, she 788 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,920 was a, like, I don't know, a titty flubicus or something. 789 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:49,800 Like it was some, some like super silly made up word, but like just his timing with where 790 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:56,720 that came was hilarious, you know, and it made me laugh like literally out loud. 791 00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:00,960 And I know, you know, the current generation is like, Oh, I laughed out loud and it doesn't 792 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,280 mean that they laughed and they say literally a lot, but like, honest to God, I laughed 793 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,000 out loud. 794 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,820 Probably three, three or four times in the reading of the book about the firebombing 795 00:43:11,820 --> 00:43:17,560 of Dresden of all things to be laughing about, but it wasn't actually the firebombing I was 796 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,560 laughing about. 797 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:23,440 But I think just, you know, for Kurt to be able to write a book about that kind of a 798 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:32,400 topic and it's, well, that's a, that's like a theme in war is that there are funny moments 799 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,720 and they're funnier because you're doing horrible things. 800 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:36,720 Yes. 801 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:43,520 So that's a, the way I feel about my experience in the oil field a lot of ways. 802 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:44,600 Yeah. 803 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:52,280 And I think that, and that was one of my, one of my biggest praises of Kurt Vonnegut 804 00:43:52,280 --> 00:44:00,120 is he can take a lot of these very serious topics and emotions and feelings that are 805 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:10,160 almost universal to humanity and he can make them funny. 806 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,880 At least in the extent where, you know, it's not like a Saturday night live, like, you 807 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,680 know, I'm going to roll on the floor laughing, but like funny in a way where it's like, it's 808 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:28,800 funny because I relate to it or he made me relate to this or, you know, so I think, are 809 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,920 you lighting up your second one? 810 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,560 I just finished my second one. 811 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,400 I opened my second beer here as well. 812 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,960 You mean you finished your first one? 813 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:38,960 Oh yes. 814 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,960 I finished my second, first one. 815 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,200 La la la la la la la la la la la la la. 816 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,680 Word salad out of my mouth. 817 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:45,680 Yeah. 818 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:46,680 So we're going to, yeah. 819 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:51,080 I finished it or I was about an inch and a quarter away from the end at circuit real 820 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,080 sour. 821 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,080 Yeah. 822 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,040 It was like, it's done now. 823 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,240 It's done. 824 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:57,240 It was good though. 825 00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:58,240 Yeah, it was good. 826 00:44:58,240 --> 00:44:59,240 I liked it. 827 00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:03,080 That's the great part of all the Rothschild cigar. 828 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,400 They are good until the end. 829 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,040 And that's like, yeah, awesome. 830 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,040 Yep. 831 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,000 So now this, this next one's darker. 832 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,000 Yes. 833 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,680 This is a Maduro wrapper. 834 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,600 Same shape, same exact size, same company. 835 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:22,200 I believe that, you know, I did not look it up. 836 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,080 I like the mystery. 837 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:30,320 But usually when these companies come up with a line, they'll do a Maduro in a Connecticut. 838 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:37,160 So I happened to be there at the right time to get the seconds and they're good. 839 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,040 That's definitely not something I need to put tequila on to make it taste good. 840 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,720 So no, that was a, that was a good smoke. 841 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:50,760 From what I remember, which I've smoked both of these before, I do have an opinion and 842 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,640 I will let you know after we smoke it. 843 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:54,640 Okay. 844 00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:01,080 So I've got this one going, trying to gauge any tastes that I'm getting from it. 845 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:06,680 I think I'm getting just the plain like, I don't know if you'd call it the stereotypical 846 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,720 Maduro taste. 847 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:13,320 Mine's sweet and dark and harder. 848 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,040 This one's much harder. 849 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,920 Mine are stored in the same humidor. 850 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,800 Yeah, mine were too. 851 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,040 Right next to each other. 852 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,400 This one does feel tighter packed. 853 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,280 I guess. 854 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,560 This one's definitely tighter packed than the other one. 855 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:29,560 This is too tight. 856 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:30,560 Yeah. 857 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:35,960 The other one, the airflow and maybe it was too much airflow and that's why I smoked it 858 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:36,960 so fast. 859 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,240 But I mean, the draw through this one is fine. 860 00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:42,960 Like it's what I would expect maybe. 861 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,200 The draw is great and the taste is actually good too. 862 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,200 I get maybe a little fruit. 863 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,200 Okay. 864 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,560 It's sweet and like not tangy, but fruity. 865 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,560 It's good. 866 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,720 Yeah. 867 00:46:58,720 --> 00:46:59,720 It's good. 868 00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:03,440 We'll see as it progresses along the way. 869 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:04,440 Yes. 870 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,320 So my grandfather was not so free. 871 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,800 I don't know any of the battles he went in. 872 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,120 He didn't even tell us the tank battalion or anything like that he was in. 873 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:20,880 I found all that stuff out later in life as when he died, he left a whole box of medals 874 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,280 and patches and all these things he got. 875 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,680 And then we could backtrace. 876 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:33,920 You can backtrace based on where he was and he fought the whole way across Europe. 877 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,240 He was there until 1945. 878 00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:46,360 He joined in 1942 on January 1st or something, like right away. 879 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,400 He was there the whole time. 880 00:47:50,400 --> 00:48:03,600 Well I like in the book when Dresden gets firebombed and then later they go back to 881 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,400 get their trophies of war. 882 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,080 Yes. 883 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:14,720 And then they get accosted or Billy gets accosted by that couple because the horses were bleeding 884 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:15,720 and stuff. 885 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:23,960 But the trophies of war, I don't know if it's really like a thing, but I know it's a thing 886 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:31,680 because I have my grandfather's trophies of war in my basement. 887 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,480 Really? 888 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,200 Yes. 889 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:43,360 And so I think that everybody probably did it, but I don't think it was a conscious thing. 890 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,880 My grandfather had no trophies of war as far as I know. 891 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:54,240 His trophy was that on one of his breaks, he went on a blind date with my grandmother 892 00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:56,600 and came back and married her. 893 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:57,600 Yep. 894 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,680 That's what my grandpa did. 895 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,080 He was a World War II nurse and on a blind date they met and then they married after 896 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,080 it. 897 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,080 Okay. 898 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:17,680 So I told you my grandfather was stationed off of Normandy and he was part of the shelling 899 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,080 because he was merchant marine so he ran all the guns on the Navy ships. 900 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,120 He didn't run all the guns, but that's what the merchant marines did. 901 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:29,920 They ran the guns on the ships. 902 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:36,280 After they had won Normandy, they all got to go ashore and so he picked up a bunch of 903 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:44,520 stuff and one of the things he picked up was a German rifle and he was walking back onto 904 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:50,840 the ship on the gangplank and the commanding officer ordered him to turn over the rifle 905 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,840 to the commanding officer. 906 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,160 My grandpa was like, there's no way I was given that asshole. 907 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,520 The rifle I picked up from the battlefield so I threw it in the ocean. 908 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:07,640 Rather than give it to the commanding officer, he threw it in the ocean. 909 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:15,520 But he did bring back an American helmet and a Nazi helmet so I have both of those in my 910 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,360 basement. 911 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,120 I can't believe I haven't shown you the helmets. 912 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,920 Why aren't they on your wall? 913 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,160 That's what I want to know. 914 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,720 Because it's not socially acceptable to hang a Nazi helmet anywhere really. 915 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:27,720 Yeah, it is. 916 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:29,320 I got my battle helmet on the wall. 917 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,360 You've seen it, haven't you? 918 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:32,360 No. 919 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,960 Yeah, I got my old hard hat on the wall. 920 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,960 Oh, your hard hat. 921 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,880 Down in the little game room area down there. 922 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,400 Oh, I get distracted by the Star Trek posters. 923 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,400 Yeah. 924 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,520 I always see the Star Trek posters. 925 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:51,540 They're posters in frames, just so everybody knows. 926 00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:56,440 My house does not have posters on the wall without frames. 927 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:57,440 We don't either. 928 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,680 We should have a woman living in the house. 929 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,720 I started putting mine in frames because they were starting to get ratty because move in 930 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:05,720 apartments and stuff. 931 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:07,800 So I just put them in frames and it's easier. 932 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:08,800 Sure. 933 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,600 But I got a lot of movie posters that aren't up. 934 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:12,600 We'll just put it that way. 935 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,080 I'm putting a lot of my posters on the ceiling of my work room. 936 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,080 Okay. 937 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,280 My little freezer room. 938 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,280 Yeah. 939 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,280 Yep. 940 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,280 That's where tequila goes. 941 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,280 Okay. 942 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:28,280 Perfect. 943 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:35,520 I don't have any cool war stuff. 944 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,440 My grandfather, I don't know, like I say, he never told a shit about it. 945 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:41,440 Yeah. 946 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,120 He didn't want to talk about it. 947 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,840 My dad was in seven complex. 948 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:46,840 Okay. 949 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,800 And he doesn't really want to talk a whole lot about it either. 950 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,360 He was always logistics though. 951 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,440 So he doesn't have like super duper war fancy stories. 952 00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:02,600 It's like, you know, we smoked two cartons of cigarettes a day and put together radios. 953 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,280 And I was like, two cartons of cigarettes. 954 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,640 He's like, yes, two cartons of cigarettes every single day. 955 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,720 I'm like, why the fuck is that? 956 00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:13,640 He's like, well, we were always under bombing, you know? 957 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:14,640 Yeah. 958 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:15,640 It's like, oh, okay. 959 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,440 I can see how you can smoke two cartons of cigarettes a day when the cigarettes are free 960 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,440 and you're getting bombed. 961 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:23,440 Yeah. 962 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:32,440 So my dad did have a friend that was in the Arab in Saigon. 963 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,440 Okay. 964 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,800 And he didn't want to talk about it either. 965 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,600 Like nobody that I knew who was in these wars want to talk about it. 966 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:43,600 Yeah. 967 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:48,720 I, you know, and the only reason that we probably ever got anything out of my grandpa is because 968 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:54,680 as kids you're curious, so you ask, but he would never tell other than some of the, like, 969 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,080 the, you know, the lighter stories where they found this dog or they, you know, he had a 970 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:05,840 monkey as a pet for a little bit from one of the Pacific islands or wherever. 971 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:13,760 And the only reason we heard the other story is because he was actually, I don't know if 972 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,320 he was, I don't think he was dishonorably discharged, but he had a mark on his record 973 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:25,720 and he was, I guess, reminiscing about that when he, when he had a couple too many beers 974 00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:33,620 or drinks that, that one night because his friend wanted to see his discharge papers 975 00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:38,200 and his friend noticed that on his discharge papers that he had a, a strike or I don't 976 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,200 know what you call it. 977 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:45,520 And so he told us the whole story and it was pretty wild, but it didn't have a whole lot 978 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:53,000 to do with actual like fighting and killing, you know, it was, it wasn't about that. 979 00:53:53,000 --> 00:54:04,920 It was about just, you know, people, I guess, and not, not turning in your friend for doing 980 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:11,640 something not, not anti-American or anti-war, but like just doing something stupid, you 981 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,640 know. 982 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:20,120 And so that's what he got in trouble for, for not bringing that immediately to the superior 983 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:21,120 officer. 984 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:22,120 Right. 985 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,120 Nothing to do with that. 986 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:28,960 I know that my grandfather entered in as a 16 year old private and exited a mid-level 987 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:29,960 sergeant. 988 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:30,960 Okay. 989 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,400 My father told me that meant that, that meant that he, he must've killed a lot of people. 990 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:36,400 Okay. 991 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:37,400 Yeah. 992 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:43,920 I don't know, I don't know what my grandpa exited as, but I know he started or he enlisted 993 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:48,400 at 16 and he had to have his parents sign off. 994 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,400 Sure. 995 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:57,840 My great aunt signed off for my grandfather and actually talked with his retirement and 996 00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:04,000 everything too, because he had the legal birth date and the real birth date. 997 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,000 Okay. 998 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:10,920 And the government tried to fight him on it a couple of times when he was receiving benefits 999 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,680 as a 80 year old guy, 70 year old guy. 1000 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:15,680 Yep. 1001 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,600 So, which is always fascinating. 1002 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:24,920 US government is always so great to their veterans. 1003 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,920 That is what I've heard. 1004 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:28,920 Yeah. 1005 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:33,720 So any other thoughts about Slaughterhouse Five? 1006 00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:39,440 Well, we're only, I'm not even halfway through the cigar. 1007 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,240 I never said you were, man. 1008 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:48,640 I just thought, you know, I'll tell you this real quick is no matter how many times I read 1009 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:53,960 that book, every time he says Billy's story starts with this and ends with Poe to Wheat, 1010 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,920 I always flip to the back page because it's just satisfying because it does end that way. 1011 00:55:58,920 --> 00:55:59,920 Yes. 1012 00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:06,000 Well, it's used as a device when shit gets so ridiculous that there's nothing else to 1013 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,000 say. 1014 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,000 Yeah. 1015 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:13,080 Every time there's a bird or a dog bark or it's like, it's above and beyond what can 1016 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,920 be talked about really. 1017 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:16,920 Yep. 1018 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,560 Did you pick up on the so it goes? 1019 00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:20,560 Yes. 1020 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,200 Every time somebody dies or mentions of death. 1021 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,200 Anything dies. 1022 00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,880 Yes. 1023 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:29,880 So it goes. 1024 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,840 And there's a lot of so it goes. 1025 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,120 A lot of death. 1026 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,440 It is a World War II story. 1027 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,160 Oh, I wanted to talk about Kilgore Trout. 1028 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,160 Yes. 1029 00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,400 I hated Kilgore Trout. 1030 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,240 Kilgore Trout makes an appearance in a lot of Kurt Vonnegut's books. 1031 00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:51,240 Yes. 1032 00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:57,440 And Kurt Vonnegut makes a lot of appearances in Kurt Vonnegut books, but only peripherally, 1033 00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:58,440 right? 1034 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:03,360 So when Kurt Vonnegut made appearances in Slaughterhouse Five, he wasn't stealing any 1035 00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:04,360 show. 1036 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,800 It was just, I was there. 1037 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:13,880 In some of the other books, it's like, and I was sitting there at the same bar or something. 1038 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,560 He's always just kind of like there. 1039 00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:23,160 But Kilgore Trout isn't a lot of different things, but why do you dislike Kilgore? 1040 00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:27,640 He was an unpleasant person. 1041 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:35,480 He spit fish flakes on the woman's titties and he would have followed Billy up to the 1042 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,720 bathroom when he was having a panic attack. 1043 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:38,720 Yeah. 1044 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:39,720 Which is what he was having, right? 1045 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:40,720 Well, yeah. 1046 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:47,040 He had a panic attack and went up, went upstairs and Billy had to tell him to stay downstairs. 1047 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:48,040 Yeah. 1048 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,840 He was freaking out. 1049 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,760 I just didn't like his, he was like just over the top. 1050 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:56,760 Yeah. 1051 00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,040 I didn't care for that. 1052 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,040 Not subtle. 1053 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,360 Not subtle like in Minnesota. 1054 00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:04,480 No. 1055 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:09,520 And then it was funny, he got the attention of that one woman at the party and was telling 1056 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,040 her all about this book that he hadn't even written yet. 1057 00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:16,160 Oh yeah, he was telling her straight lies and she was believing it. 1058 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,160 Yeah. 1059 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:23,560 Interesting character in a novel, but there's too many people that really like that. 1060 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:28,520 I love the bit when Billy goes to the sex shop, right? 1061 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,560 But the only reason he goes to the sex shop is because they have Kilgurr Trout novels 1062 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,440 in the window dressing. 1063 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,440 Yes. 1064 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:36,520 Remember? 1065 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,040 And they're like, hey, hey, all the stuff you want is in the back. 1066 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,120 And he goes, no, I just want the Kilgurr Trout novel. 1067 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:42,880 I haven't read this one yet. 1068 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,040 And he gets into this whole, like it's a whole thing. 1069 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:51,760 Like he's in this whole almost like altercation with the Smut Shop owners because he was convinced 1070 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,560 he hadn't read this Kilgurr Trout novel yet and he bought it and brings it home. 1071 00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,160 And he's like, oh, I had read that one. 1072 00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:07,360 He definitely saw a picture of a donkey fucking a woman in front of a curtain with Doric columns 1073 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,360 on the sides. 1074 00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:09,360 And it was the same one. 1075 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:10,360 He had to have seen it. 1076 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:11,360 Yeah. 1077 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,160 It was the same one from his war buddy. 1078 00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:14,160 Remember? 1079 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,040 I think Kurt Vonnegut had to have seen it. 1080 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,040 Yeah, no, yeah. 1081 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,040 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 1082 00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:19,040 The same one from the war buddy. 1083 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,040 Yeah. 1084 00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,720 I never looked up to see if it was real. 1085 00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,880 But they showed Billy that in the Smut Shop and that was the same one that his war buddy 1086 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:26,880 showed him. 1087 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,040 It was the same photo. 1088 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,320 I did follow that. 1089 00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,280 Second time reading through, of course. 1090 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:34,280 Or listening. 1091 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:35,280 Yes. 1092 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:36,280 I'm listening. 1093 00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:37,280 I'm not reading. 1094 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:42,280 Which does make a huge difference, of course. 1095 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:43,280 Yeah. 1096 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,200 It's like I said, there's layers and layers. 1097 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:54,560 I wanted to listen to it a third time because I bet I would pick up on more layers. 1098 00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:55,560 Yeah. 1099 00:59:55,560 --> 01:00:03,320 It's kind of like a literature class in college where they have you read it through once, 1100 01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,800 you take your notes, and you read it through it twice, you take your notes, you read it 1101 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,000 through three times, and you take your notes. 1102 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,000 Yeah. 1103 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:14,400 You pick up on different layers of the story every single time you read it because you 1104 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:19,880 already know the base layer before you go through the second time, the third time. 1105 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:20,880 Oh, yeah. 1106 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:26,600 I would say rather than... And I'm not going to dissuade you from listening to it a third 1107 01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:33,680 time, but I would say go for something else by Kurt. 1108 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:38,800 Go for like Cat's Cradle or something. 1109 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,960 Every time I hear Cat's Cradle, I think of the song. 1110 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:43,960 Yeah. 1111 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:53,600 But read or listen to just anything other by Kurt Vonnegut than Slaughterhouse-Five. 1112 01:00:53,600 --> 01:01:02,280 And I think by exposing yourself to more Kurt Vonnegut novels, you will get a better understanding 1113 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:07,060 of Kurt Vonnegut or of his style. 1114 01:01:07,060 --> 01:01:14,640 And then after you've listened to one or two others by him, then go back and listen to 1115 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,640 Slaughterhouse-Five again. 1116 01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:17,640 Sure. 1117 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:29,000 Because there's a reason that Slaughterhouse-Five is maybe his most well-known novel or the 1118 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,560 one that most people think of when they think of Kurt Vonnegut. 1119 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,920 I mean, it's a great novel. 1120 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:40,740 But I think if that's the only Kurt Vonnegut book you read or are exposed to, there's so 1121 01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:47,320 much more to Kurt Vonnegut in a lot of his other stories. 1122 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:53,960 And he's got... And like I said at the beginning, I wish I could remember which books all of 1123 01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:59,520 these things are from, but there's one whole book that's based on Bokanism. 1124 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:00,760 Okay. 1125 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:06,720 And it's a made up religion that he made where the people who started the religion had no 1126 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,960 families and they decided that everybody is their family. 1127 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:16,720 And that's kind of like, I mean, it's very, very service level, but that's their whole 1128 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,920 thing is like, everybody's my family. 1129 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:25,520 And so you've got all these different religious ceremonies and things, but it's all to do 1130 01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:31,120 with everybody's my family and I can make my own family kind of thing. 1131 01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:35,200 And then he's got one where it's the Church of Jesus Christ the Missing. 1132 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,200 So they don't believe that Jesus Christ was crucified and died. 1133 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,760 They just believe that he got lost. 1134 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:48,160 And so they're looking under dinner plates, behind curtains. 1135 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,040 They're always looking for Jesus. 1136 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:56,120 I think I'd like that one or at least test it out. 1137 01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,320 And then there's one all about Ice Nine. 1138 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,320 And this is like the world's most dangerous compound. 1139 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:05,840 It turns everything to ice, like everything, every living thing. 1140 01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:11,200 And the whole novel revolves around the threat of this Ice Nine being released. 1141 01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,980 But it's told in Kurt Vonnegut style. 1142 01:03:12,980 --> 01:03:17,080 So everything's hilarious and sad. 1143 01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,720 You don't know if you should be laughing or crying. 1144 01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:25,440 But I think if you, and this is for anybody who's never been exposed to Kurt Vonnegut, 1145 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,040 is read one of his books, read it twice. 1146 01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:34,960 But before you read it a third time, read some of his other stuff and get a feel for, 1147 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,760 I don't know, his worldview maybe. 1148 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,880 I mean, maybe that's what it is. 1149 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:44,160 But he's one of those ones where if you enjoy one of his books, you're going to enjoy the 1150 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,160 rest of them. 1151 01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:46,160 Right. 1152 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:47,160 It's like Kurt Vonnegut. 1153 01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:48,160 It's like George Orwell. 1154 01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,800 Similar theme. 1155 01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,080 For sure. 1156 01:03:54,080 --> 01:04:02,560 Very different settings, but very similar ideals he's striving for, I guess. 1157 01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,520 Yes. 1158 01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,200 Similar vein, similar or different. 1159 01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,520 I am halfway through my cigar and it's good. 1160 01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:12,520 It's still fruity. 1161 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:13,520 As well. 1162 01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:14,520 Yeah. 1163 01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,080 I don't know. 1164 01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:23,440 I'm trying to decide if I like this one better than the other one. 1165 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:24,440 It's very good. 1166 01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:25,800 Different, but it's good. 1167 01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:33,840 Yeah, it is a bit different, but I think we like that. 1168 01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:38,640 This one is definitely darker, but it's got layers of flavor. 1169 01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,760 It does. 1170 01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,640 It's not peppery and it's not spicy. 1171 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,440 And that's a good thing. 1172 01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:47,440 Yeah. 1173 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,400 It's just kind of sweet and fruity, but dark. 1174 01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:52,400 Yep. 1175 01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,000 It's got that undertone. 1176 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,000 Yes. 1177 01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:05,600 Which, again, one of the themes of our show here is a lot of times if you can get a cheaper 1178 01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:10,160 cigar that's good, they are typically very good. 1179 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,560 And this is very good. 1180 01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:12,560 Yeah. 1181 01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,800 This is very good. 1182 01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:15,800 And I think that's true. 1183 01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:23,640 Like we talked about it last episode where we're not smoking the top of the line stuff. 1184 01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,200 The most expensive things. 1185 01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,600 No. 1186 01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,000 We're trying a lot. 1187 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,360 A lot of different things. 1188 01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:42,760 We like to sometimes take a gamble on something that could either be great or terrible. 1189 01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:43,760 Right. 1190 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,520 And this is low tier. 1191 01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,320 One of the cheaper cigars we've ever smoked for sure. 1192 01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:51,320 Yeah. 1193 01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:55,400 I think I got these for two, maybe $3 a piece. 1194 01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:56,400 Okay. 1195 01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,000 That's even cheaper than the Ben Maduros we smoked. 1196 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,920 Yes, it is a lot cheaper. 1197 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,280 Half the size as well. 1198 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:04,280 Yeah. 1199 01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:09,920 But this one has the flavor. 1200 01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:16,160 Whereas the Ben Maduro, I don't want to say it was like the blandest thing that I've ever 1201 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,880 smoked, but it was pretty bland. 1202 01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,560 I would never smoke them without a topping. 1203 01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:22,560 Without tequila. 1204 01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:23,560 Yeah. 1205 01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:24,560 Yeah, basically. 1206 01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:28,200 With tequila, it's fine. 1207 01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,520 And we smoked two of them and both of them were good with tequila. 1208 01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:32,520 Oh yeah. 1209 01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,280 Well, we smoked three of them a piece. 1210 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:36,280 Yeah. 1211 01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:37,280 One without and two with. 1212 01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:38,920 One without and two with. 1213 01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:44,560 So there's your testimonial for tequila cigars. 1214 01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:45,560 And one with vodka. 1215 01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,240 And the vodka was not the ticket. 1216 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,680 No, don't do that. 1217 01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:51,680 Don't do that. 1218 01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:56,600 As tempted as you might be to do that, we can't recommend that. 1219 01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,280 There's something about the tequila. 1220 01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,200 It's got that spice to it naturally. 1221 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:04,200 Yeah. 1222 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:05,200 Yeah. 1223 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,040 That really raises the profile. 1224 01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:09,040 Yes. 1225 01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:15,120 It brings, it enhances the flavors, I think. 1226 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,120 I think so too. 1227 01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:17,120 Yeah. 1228 01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:18,800 Kind of blends well. 1229 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,840 I want to try a Connecticut tequila cigar. 1230 01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:25,320 We could try something. 1231 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,680 We had to find a cheap one that was a Connecticut. 1232 01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:29,680 Yeah. 1233 01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,320 Don't they do Connecticut bin cigars? 1234 01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,280 I'm sure. 1235 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,240 They can't just do Maduros, can they? 1236 01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:39,240 No, they don't. 1237 01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,440 I mean, obviously they're going to have Connecticut's. 1238 01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:47,800 They're not as common because the Maduros are more popular overall. 1239 01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,240 Okay. 1240 01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,160 Makes sense. 1241 01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:57,440 Well, I'm excited that you liked Slaughterhouse Five. 1242 01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:09,600 Yeah, like I say, upon second listening, it was more interesting because I knew the baseline 1243 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,320 of where it was going to go. 1244 01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:12,320 Yeah. 1245 01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,400 You weren't so focused on what's going to happen next. 1246 01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:15,400 Right. 1247 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,040 You could read a little more into everything. 1248 01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:29,520 See, and I even thought that maybe the whole Trafalgador journey was based on his like... 1249 01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:34,680 I did agree that it was like the drug-addled mind of a person who was in a horrible crash 1250 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:35,680 who had PTSD. 1251 01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:36,680 Yeah. 1252 01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:41,920 Like I could see that being the underlying cause. 1253 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:43,800 This was that way. 1254 01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:44,800 Yeah. 1255 01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,920 With flashbacks. 1256 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:47,920 He was clearly... 1257 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,560 I mean, like you say, it's like flashback, flashback, flashback. 1258 01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,120 It depends on how you want to look at it. 1259 01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:54,120 Yeah. 1260 01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,200 But he also did flash forwards. 1261 01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:57,200 Yeah. 1262 01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:58,200 Oh yeah. 1263 01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:03,200 In the very beginning of the book too. 1264 01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:04,200 So it's very interesting. 1265 01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:09,880 And I guess it's kind of like up to your interpretation as the reader or listener. 1266 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:15,480 Well, I don't know if he noticed, but at the beginning he never said, oh, it'll be fine. 1267 01:09:15,480 --> 01:09:20,720 It's only to the middle of the book where he started to get this attitude of like, I've 1268 01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,240 already seen what's happening. 1269 01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:23,240 It'll be great. 1270 01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:24,240 Yeah. 1271 01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,600 Until the very end where he was totally confident. 1272 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:28,600 Yes. 1273 01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,680 That it'll be fine. 1274 01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:34,320 Yep. 1275 01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:37,080 So it's interesting. 1276 01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:45,840 Not a page turner in the same way that Game of Thrones would be, I guess. 1277 01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:51,240 I've never actually read it or even watched a show of Game of Thrones, but it's good. 1278 01:09:51,240 --> 01:10:00,960 Well, so I've read the first three books and then I quit because I couldn't stand it anymore. 1279 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:09,440 I will say this, the first book was great, but I don't like George R.R. Martin's writing 1280 01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:10,440 style. 1281 01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:11,440 Okay. 1282 01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:19,680 And I actually looked up why. 1283 01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:27,960 And it's because that he, I don't remember what the term is, but what he does is he creates 1284 01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:35,800 the characters and then the characters basically have to live out their story. 1285 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:40,080 So he doesn't really know how things are going to end. 1286 01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:41,280 Right? 1287 01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:48,220 So he creates all these characters and puts them together and then he writes it true to 1288 01:10:48,220 --> 01:10:54,960 how those characters would actually behave in those circumstances, which on paper sounds 1289 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,320 great. 1290 01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:03,360 But when you get into even the second book and he's killing everybody, like everybody 1291 01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:04,360 fucking dies. 1292 01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:08,080 And then by the third book, all the people that he introduced in the second book are 1293 01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:09,520 all dead. 1294 01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:17,200 And then it's like, well, none of the characters that I like are still alive. 1295 01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:22,560 And now you're introducing even more characters in the third book. 1296 01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:28,320 And I just, I don't have the energy to learn all of these new characters, three or four 1297 01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:29,800 books in. 1298 01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,600 And I know you're going to kill these ones too. 1299 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,680 So what am I invested in? 1300 01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,000 I don't really care about the land that you've created. 1301 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:46,360 Like I don't care who ends up being the ultimate ruler of this shit pile that you've created. 1302 01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:51,640 And some people like that and that's fine, you know, but there's not like one, I mean, 1303 01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:56,080 there's a couple of characters that live throughout, but they're like minor characters and then 1304 01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,140 they like disappear. 1305 01:11:59,140 --> 01:12:01,200 And then you're like invested in other characters. 1306 01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:05,720 And then like two books later, they kind of come back and you're like, well, and then 1307 01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,320 other characters disappear for a long time. 1308 01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:14,080 And what I read was that there was actually supposed to be like a five year gap. 1309 01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:19,620 Like we're talking five years, a five year gap between two of the books. 1310 01:12:19,620 --> 01:12:24,420 And the reason there's so many books is because George R.R. Martin couldn't jump five years 1311 01:12:24,420 --> 01:12:28,720 ahead in the lives of these characters without actually writing their five year life story. 1312 01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:34,200 Because he couldn't foresee that because he only wrote the characters. 1313 01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:39,880 And so it gets kind of monotonous and like everybody fucking dies. 1314 01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:45,040 So it's not like Lord of the Rings, you know, and when I read the first book, I'm like, 1315 01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:49,240 oh my God, this is like Lord of the Rings for like adults because there's like killing 1316 01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:54,400 and there's like sex and there's intrigue and you know, like there's all this stuff. 1317 01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:59,160 But then it's like everybody's dying all the time and you get all these new characters 1318 01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,040 so that you're not really following one character throughout. 1319 01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:05,640 There's not like one protagonist. 1320 01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,920 And I think if he had a different writing style, you could do that same thing and you 1321 01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:14,640 could kill a lot of people and you could like get your reader off balance. 1322 01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:15,880 Is this guy really the bad guy? 1323 01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,920 Is this guy the good guy? 1324 01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,480 But it takes so long because he's only writing the characters. 1325 01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:23,040 He doesn't really have an end in sight. 1326 01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,940 He doesn't know how it ends yet because he hasn't written it. 1327 01:13:26,940 --> 01:13:30,760 And that's why the TV show, the last couple of seasons were so bad because they went beyond 1328 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:39,120 the books and the writers looked at the end of what the viewer wanted and then they backtracked 1329 01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,020 to make that happen for the viewer. 1330 01:13:41,020 --> 01:13:46,080 So it felt contrived because it was and it was completely against George RR's writing 1331 01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:47,080 style. 1332 01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:48,080 Sure. 1333 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:56,280 So it felt disingenuous to his style of writing, which will pull you right out of the world. 1334 01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,320 And that's why the last couple of seasons were bad is what I read. 1335 01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:03,480 And I haven't watched it, but I don't care because I can't. 1336 01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:07,180 Like there's just, it's too much. 1337 01:14:07,180 --> 01:14:14,640 It's almost like trying to watch a modern Marvel movie because you have to watch all 1338 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,040 of the other stuff now. 1339 01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:19,640 Like before I liked Marvel movies because you could get into it at any point and it 1340 01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,040 didn't matter, but now they did the big Thanos thing, right? 1341 01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:25,680 And they wiped out half the planet and they came back like five years later, but they 1342 01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,440 didn't age. 1343 01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:34,440 And so now every Marvel movie has to like reference that incident within the timeline. 1344 01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:39,800 And so you have to kind of like, you're always kind of like reminded that there's 20 other 1345 01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,300 movies leading up to this one movie. 1346 01:14:43,300 --> 01:14:47,520 So they kind of shifted from where all their movies were accessible to anybody. 1347 01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,640 And now they're only accessible to those people that are watching every single Marvel movie. 1348 01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:52,640 Yeah. 1349 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:56,440 I stopped watching superhero movies a long time ago. 1350 01:14:56,440 --> 01:14:57,440 Yeah. 1351 01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:00,120 So I'm just not, I'm not interested. 1352 01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:01,120 Yeah. 1353 01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:02,960 I mean, so that's my thought on Game of Thrones anyways. 1354 01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:09,200 Like it's, it's, there's too many characters and it's, it's kind of mundane, even though 1355 01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:15,000 exciting things happen, but like he has to write every single characters, like every 1356 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:19,480 single day out and he might not include it in the book, but like, you can just, you kind 1357 01:15:19,480 --> 01:15:25,480 of can tell that like he's writing all of this stuff out and it gets kind of like, well, 1358 01:15:25,480 --> 01:15:26,480 okay. 1359 01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:29,960 So this character forgot to brush their hair this one morning and that leads to this and 1360 01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:34,000 then the other thing, because that's out of character for them, but that's what happened 1361 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,000 that morning. 1362 01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,200 So now we're going down this path. 1363 01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:51,600 There's going to be a lot of Game of Thrones post humanists or post death reading is what 1364 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:52,960 you're saying. 1365 01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:57,800 His estate is going to be probably posting a lot of this. 1366 01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:02,640 I mean, if he's actually physically running it out genuinely, yeah. 1367 01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:06,800 And I don't know for sure how much he actually is, but yeah, you could get like the daily 1368 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:16,040 journals of character A, character B, character double C or whatever it is, you know? 1369 01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:19,800 And now they've got the prequel out leading up to it. 1370 01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:21,360 And I don't think he wrote any prequel stuff. 1371 01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,800 So this is just like, he sold the rights and now they're doing a prequel and they're doing 1372 01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,400 the Lord of the Rings prequel too, I guess. 1373 01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:32,560 So two episodes are out right now. 1374 01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:33,560 I haven't watched it yet. 1375 01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:35,920 No, I'm not going to either. 1376 01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:36,920 I don't know. 1377 01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:37,920 I probably won't. 1378 01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,640 I'll just wait and see how the reviews are. 1379 01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,320 I'm not going to watch it base. 1380 01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:45,320 I don't care. 1381 01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:46,320 I don't want to. 1382 01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,880 I don't really care either. 1383 01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:57,080 And I think part of the reason is because they've been milking and mining these franchises 1384 01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:09,640 to exploitation levels that I don't have any faith in the modern filmmaker to take these 1385 01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:16,840 franchises that have built themselves up on their own and then just milk them for that 1386 01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:18,360 one more drop. 1387 01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:19,360 Yeah. 1388 01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:25,240 Lance Epplin used to write songs about Lord of the Rings. 1389 01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:32,600 And if it's not that good, then I'm not interested because it was amazing at one time. 1390 01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,400 I just don't care. 1391 01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:39,000 I didn't watch the last Harry Potter movie either. 1392 01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:43,360 Not Harry Potter, what the hell was it called? 1393 01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,080 Wild Beasts or whatever the fuck. 1394 01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:46,520 Oh yeah, that stuff. 1395 01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:53,040 Yeah, I watched the first two, The Tales of Grindelwald or Fantastic Beasts. 1396 01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,360 Yeah, well they're all fantastic. 1397 01:17:55,360 --> 01:18:00,040 You drop the main actor and now we're going to continue to watch. 1398 01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:01,040 I fuck that. 1399 01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:02,640 I'm done with it. 1400 01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:03,640 Yeah. 1401 01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,760 And those are all like those Fantastic Beasts. 1402 01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:06,760 It's like what? 1403 01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:11,600 There's three or four of them, but they're all like prequels and they're not really based 1404 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:12,600 on the books. 1405 01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:16,480 They're just based on whatever. 1406 01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:20,600 They're just filling out little tidbits from the books. 1407 01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:27,240 So I think we watched the first one and we really didn't like the first one. 1408 01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:33,680 All the Harry Potter movies, like the full on Harry Potter movies, they're good. 1409 01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:34,680 They're all good. 1410 01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:38,520 I didn't like the sixth one. 1411 01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:43,000 The Half-Blood Prince, I did not think did justice to the book. 1412 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,200 As a reader of the books, I didn't like it. 1413 01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,480 It wasn't because it was a bad movie. 1414 01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:52,760 I can't see it as a movie because I've read the book. 1415 01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:57,200 And here's the thing is I like the ending of the movie franchise better than the ending 1416 01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:59,120 of the books. 1417 01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,240 Really? 1418 01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:07,600 Because in the books, Harry Potter is like some kind of lame ass accountant and not the 1419 01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,560 greatest wizard that ever lived. 1420 01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,280 He was a mid-level order. 1421 01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:13,280 Whatever. 1422 01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:14,760 He was a bureaucrat. 1423 01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:15,760 Yes. 1424 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:20,520 In the movies, he's just bringing his kid to the platform and that's it. 1425 01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,520 We don't need to know what he's doing. 1426 01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,120 That's the best ending. 1427 01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:29,520 I don't need to know that he's living a depressing life as a bureaucrat. 1428 01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,440 He's living a life just like us, man. 1429 01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:34,200 Mid-level nuns. 1430 01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:35,880 Mid-level nobodies. 1431 01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:41,360 I know, but I don't want that for my fantasy protagonist. 1432 01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,040 That's not what he needs to be. 1433 01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,960 I liked it just fine. 1434 01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,200 I liked it all until that last chapter when they told us what he was. 1435 01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,360 And then I was like, this is the worst. 1436 01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:55,840 The literal worst. 1437 01:19:55,840 --> 01:20:03,680 But he was banging the super hot redheaded skank from the whole Weasley universe, right? 1438 01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,280 Yeah, whatever. 1439 01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:13,400 If that's the price for that, count me out. 1440 01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,240 Okay. 1441 01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:24,320 So, anyway, sometimes they do good stuff, but I don't know. 1442 01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,920 See, no, I'm done with my cigar. 1443 01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,680 Yeah, I'm at an inch. 1444 01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:37,840 So an inch, it's starting to get a little toasty, but not sour. 1445 01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,320 The flavor is good. 1446 01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:42,160 Yeah, this one is still good. 1447 01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:44,840 Of course, the other one got a little sour at the end there, but... 1448 01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:46,600 It did. 1449 01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:47,600 This was so good. 1450 01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,760 So what were your thoughts that you wanted to wait and tell me about? 1451 01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:57,520 Because I liked both of these. 1452 01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:58,520 It's tough. 1453 01:20:58,520 --> 01:20:59,520 I think I would probably... 1454 01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,520 I don't know. 1455 01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:16,360 I liked the change of intensity of the Connecticut wrapper better, but I think this Maduro is 1456 01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,360 better all the way through. 1457 01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:23,000 I would agree. 1458 01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:28,400 I had smoked both of these before, and I thought the Connecticut was so-so. 1459 01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:29,400 Yeah. 1460 01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:30,400 It was fun. 1461 01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,840 And the Maduro was also fine. 1462 01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:33,840 Yeah. 1463 01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:40,040 But smoking them back to back, if you had to choose... 1464 01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:44,040 Smoking them back to back, I would choose the Maduro. 1465 01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:50,080 The Connecticut was good, but the Maduro was better, I think. 1466 01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:51,080 Marginally so. 1467 01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:52,080 Marginally so. 1468 01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:53,080 But it was better. 1469 01:21:53,080 --> 01:22:01,920 Yeah. Like you say, they're not anything I'd write home about. 1470 01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:06,240 They're good, but they're not intensely good. 1471 01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:09,720 It's not something that I would be like, try this. 1472 01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:11,560 This is really good. 1473 01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:12,560 It's good enough. 1474 01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:13,560 Yeah. 1475 01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:19,880 So we're about 80 minutes in on this podcast. 1476 01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:24,160 For a 40 minute cigar, they're both fine. 1477 01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:25,160 Yeah. 1478 01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,160 They're not bad. 1479 01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:28,160 Not bad. 1480 01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:34,680 I don't think you'd smoke one and say, man, I'd never smoke that again. 1481 01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:40,080 Not anything where it's not mind blowing like the Rocky Patel Fumas. 1482 01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:41,080 Right. 1483 01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:42,080 Right. 1484 01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:46,120 But these ones are just fine. 1485 01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:47,120 It's not a Moon Trance. 1486 01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:48,120 It's not a Rocky Patel Fuma. 1487 01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:49,120 No. 1488 01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:50,120 It's not Edge Connecticut. 1489 01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:54,000 The Edge Connecticut's are very good. 1490 01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,200 Yes. 1491 01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,400 Any Edge Connecticut is going to be good. 1492 01:22:58,400 --> 01:22:59,400 Yep. 1493 01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:05,640 But if you want a cheap 40 minute cigar, can't go wrong, I don't think with these. 1494 01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,560 No, that's good. 1495 01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:13,240 Do you think I'm too positive about all the cigars you smoke? 1496 01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,560 No, I don't think so. 1497 01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:16,560 Except for that. 1498 01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:17,560 Most of them are decent. 1499 01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,160 You mean that stupid fucking Blood Red Moon one? 1500 01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:26,480 That was, I keep them in the box and that's going to be like the Frank cigar, I think. 1501 01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:27,480 Okay, perfect. 1502 01:23:27,480 --> 01:23:28,480 That's how bad it is. 1503 01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:29,760 Give it to the uncle you don't like. 1504 01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:36,040 Oh my god, it's awful. 1505 01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:37,680 Maybe one of them would be good. 1506 01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,960 It's almost like they had like a dead animal in one of them. 1507 01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:41,960 It's awful. 1508 01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:47,920 Yeah, they ground up a mouse with the leaves. 1509 01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:52,000 This putrid, terrible. 1510 01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:56,440 I'd rather smoke a shrew than one of these. 1511 01:23:56,440 --> 01:23:57,880 One of these ones that we just smoked? 1512 01:23:57,880 --> 01:23:58,880 Yeah, I would. 1513 01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,880 I'd rather smoke a shrew. 1514 01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:02,880 And they're good. 1515 01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:03,880 Oh yeah. 1516 01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:04,880 We haven't smoked one on the show yet. 1517 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:05,880 What should we do? 1518 01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:07,880 Yeah, we're going to do a big shrew showdown. 1519 01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:12,160 Yeah, we have to, that'll be a while away. 1520 01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:13,160 We're coordinating. 1521 01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:14,160 We got to coordinate. 1522 01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:15,160 Several brands together. 1523 01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:16,160 Yeah, yeah. 1524 01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:25,840 But, you know, this is better than a Backwoods or a cigar you'd get at a gas station. 1525 01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:26,840 Yes. 1526 01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,040 And they're flavorful and good. 1527 01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,480 And these are better than a Bin Maduro, or at least the ones we got. 1528 01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:33,480 Yeah. 1529 01:24:33,480 --> 01:24:34,480 Oh yeah. 1530 01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:38,160 But the Bin Maduro, a lot of Bin cigars are trash and these are not trash. 1531 01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:39,160 They're good, but. 1532 01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:40,440 Yeah, these are decent. 1533 01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:43,120 These are decent, you know? 1534 01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:44,120 Yeah. 1535 01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:50,720 I think the only one that I'd really ever say no to is the Blood Red Moon. 1536 01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,080 I don't think I could smoke another one. 1537 01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:54,760 Oh, that. 1538 01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:56,840 Several of the CEO flavors were terrible. 1539 01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:01,360 Yeah, but not quite as bad as the Blood Red Moon. 1540 01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:02,360 No. 1541 01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:03,360 But you know. 1542 01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:04,360 The Blood Red Moon was awful. 1543 01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,520 The Bella Vanilla was really bad too. 1544 01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:08,520 Yeah. 1545 01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,720 That one was bad. 1546 01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:12,720 The other ones I could probably do. 1547 01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:13,720 I was out of the moon trance. 1548 01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:15,960 They don't really have anything going on there. 1549 01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:18,480 I don't know why they make any of the other ones. 1550 01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:19,480 No. 1551 01:25:19,480 --> 01:25:26,400 You know, but the other ones, like, if somebody had one and was like, hey, would you smoke 1552 01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:27,400 one with me? 1553 01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,800 I probably would as long as it wasn't the Bella Vanilla. 1554 01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:31,800 Yeah. 1555 01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:32,800 But. 1556 01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:33,800 That's true. 1557 01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:35,960 Because the Irish Dream was OK. 1558 01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:36,960 It was fine. 1559 01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:37,960 It was fine. 1560 01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:38,960 Like, whatever. 1561 01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:43,600 But these were good. 1562 01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,600 They weren't like, I don't know. 1563 01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:46,880 They were just good. 1564 01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:48,240 Yeah, it was fine. 1565 01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:52,960 Just good is good enough, though, for 250 a stick or whatever. 1566 01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:53,960 Yeah, and it depends on. 1567 01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:59,960 I think I got them for $20 a bundle. 1568 01:25:59,960 --> 01:26:01,460 OK. 1569 01:26:01,460 --> 01:26:02,460 Something like that. 1570 01:26:02,460 --> 01:26:03,460 For like 10. 1571 01:26:03,460 --> 01:26:06,200 I think I paid $2 even plus tax. 1572 01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:07,200 OK. 1573 01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,280 So they're good enough for that, for sure. 1574 01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:11,280 Well, yeah. 1575 01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:15,760 And it all depends on when you're smoking, where you're smoking, who you're smoking with. 1576 01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:16,760 Right. 1577 01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:17,760 Yeah. 1578 01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,760 It's great on a lawn mower. 1579 01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:22,960 Oh, yeah. 1580 01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,000 Sometimes and not too shabby on a podcast either. 1581 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,720 So no, you go. 1582 01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:29,720 Very good. 1583 01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,720 As far as that goes. 1584 01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:38,040 Anyway, I think that's about it for the night. 1585 01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:39,040 That's it. 1586 01:26:39,040 --> 01:27:06,560 Thanks for listening.