1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,240 Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Mike. 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:18,060 I'm Nate and we've got our guest, Dev, on board with us today. 3 00:00:18,060 --> 00:00:20,000 What are we smoking, Mike? 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,200 We are smoking a Buffalo Trace cigar. 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:30,400 Does this have any correlation or relation to the whiskey? 6 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:31,400 It is. 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:36,720 They came out with the cigar as a memorial for the company. 8 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:42,320 I thought it was for the poor bison on the wrapper there. 9 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,320 The memorial for the bison. 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:49,160 I'm not sure if it's taste, I don't know a whole lot about it. 11 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:52,000 We got it, you know more about it than I do. 12 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:58,160 Yeah, I think I got like a five pack of it from PipesandCigars.com, not a sponsor, and 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,080 gave you a couple. 14 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:08,760 We're going to try to explain this on air, this cigar, and Mike you give input because 15 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,080 Dev hasn't smoked a whole lot of cigars. 16 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,080 He smoked some. 17 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:18,120 Yeah, I smoked a fair amount of cigars when I played golf on the regular, probably about 18 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,280 20 some years ago. 19 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:26,000 So it really has been a while since I've imbibed. 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,040 And Dev's 32 for our listeners. 21 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,040 That's his age. 22 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:35,160 So looking at this cigar, if we hold it so that we can read the wrapper, on the very 23 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:40,680 bottom it's got a green bit of ribbon, and then about, I don't know, five sixteenths 24 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,840 of the way up, whatever that is. 25 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,840 It's probably more like what, nine sixteenths, ten sixteenths of the way up? 26 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,440 I'd say nine. 27 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,440 Nine. 28 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,400 So you've got the buffalo trace, it's a little mini wrapper, and then it's got a big buffalo 29 00:01:54,400 --> 00:02:01,800 head wrapper closer to the end that you stick in your mouth. 30 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,400 And correct me if I'm wrong, Mike, but we want to take the green one off, because that's 31 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:06,400 where we like it. 32 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,400 You have to take the green one off, yes. 33 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,480 And then you leave the other two on until... 34 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,040 I was going to make that assumption. 35 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,040 Okay. 36 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,040 Until it sticks once up a bit. 37 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,040 Go ahead. 38 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,960 And what I do, and what I typically do, Mike, and this is probably wrong because I'm not 39 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,920 a smart man, but I know what love is. 40 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:27,720 I usually just take all the wrappers off, and then I light that thing and just do it. 41 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:28,720 I do not. 42 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:36,200 I leave the banding on until the cigar heats up enough and the glue loosens. 43 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,880 Okay, that's what I was thinking. 44 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:38,880 And then it'll come right off. 45 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,320 Once the glue loosens, it'll come right off, no problem. 46 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:43,320 Okay. 47 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,720 Because it's always been so tight, I always just spit on it, and then it just slides right 48 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:48,720 off. 49 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:49,720 I'm fucking with everybody. 50 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:50,720 Oh my God. 51 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:51,720 That's a sex joke. 52 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:52,720 All right. 53 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:53,720 I get it. 54 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:54,720 Okay. 55 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:55,720 I like it. 56 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:56,720 Dev's got it. 57 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:57,720 All right. 58 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,160 And then, Mike, so this is what I do, and I've seen you do both. 59 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,200 I've seen you do both. 60 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:09,200 I usually just stick the uncut end, the foreskin as it were, of the cigar, into my mouth to 61 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:15,480 moisten it a bit before I cut it so that I get less split wrapper or whatever. 62 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:16,480 Yes. 63 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,780 And sometimes you do, and sometimes you don't. 64 00:03:17,780 --> 00:03:22,560 So what's the best here for Dev to try? 65 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,260 I would tell him to lip it. 66 00:03:24,260 --> 00:03:26,440 I lip this one when I cut it. 67 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:27,440 Okay. 68 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:28,440 Just moisten it a bit? 69 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:29,440 It all depends. 70 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:35,320 I look at the cigar and I see how moist the wrapper is, and if I think it's moist enough, 71 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:36,320 I won't. 72 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,320 I'll just cut it. 73 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,320 I won't actually get it wet. 74 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:40,320 Yeah. 75 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,320 I usually wet mine. 76 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,320 I'll wet all of mine. 77 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,800 I mean, seriously, honestly. 78 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,000 Not really a sex joke thing. 79 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,600 All right. 80 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,160 Here goes. 81 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,200 I'm assuming that you guys are doing the straight cut and not a cross cut. 82 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,200 Yeah. 83 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,200 We're doing the straight cut. 84 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,440 I'm going to let Dev do his own straight cut. 85 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,760 One hole is bigger, so stick the big end in that part. 86 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:05,760 No. 87 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:06,760 Okay. 88 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:07,760 Sorry. 89 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:08,760 Ah. 90 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:13,740 And then right there is the no-no zone. 91 00:04:13,740 --> 00:04:16,880 So anything you want circumcised goes in the no-no zone. 92 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:17,880 And how? 93 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:18,880 Yep. 94 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,680 Just stick it in, hold the pressure back, and snip. 95 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:23,680 It's sharp. 96 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,200 There you go. 97 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,720 And then dump that in the ash tray. 98 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,320 There you go. 99 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:36,080 And then this has a mirror on the lid, and you just hold it, and you light it, and you 100 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,160 rotate it as you light it, and inhale. 101 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:39,160 Gotcha. 102 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,160 But not into the lungs. 103 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,160 Right. 104 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,160 Just hold it in the mouth. 105 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:49,360 And if Mike has any other tips for lighting, you want to kind of rotate it a bit. 106 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:54,560 Rotate the cigar, and make sure you get even flame, and rotate it until it's 100% lit 107 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:55,560 around it. 108 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,760 Then you're good to go. 109 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,240 There's a mirror on there, so you can kind of see the mirror in there. 110 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:09,840 So when you puff, it all should be red. 111 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:11,980 Now Mike, have you smoked this one before? 112 00:05:11,980 --> 00:05:12,980 I have not. 113 00:05:12,980 --> 00:05:15,440 This is the first time for me. 114 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,560 Like I say, I have no idea what to expect. 115 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:25,080 Whether it's got a whiskey casing, it does not taste like it has a whiskey casing to 116 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:26,080 it. 117 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,080 It just tastes like a standard Maduro cigar. 118 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,880 Yeah, and I've smoked this one before. 119 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,440 So this is the rare, rare instance. 120 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:40,080 This is history in the making, where I've smoked a cigar Mike hasn't. 121 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,080 Interesting. 122 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:50,400 What are your initial thoughts, Dev? 123 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:51,400 It's smoky. 124 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:58,360 It's got a slightly bitter taste on my lips. 125 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,200 Enjoyable on the first couple. 126 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:10,960 Yeah, I guess I do get a peppery, but I also do get a slight bitterness. 127 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,040 And I taste a little bit of the pepper. 128 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,720 Most cigars are a little bitter at the very get-go, especially with this wrapper. 129 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,640 Darkness, so. 130 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:28,880 I don't get the bitterness anymore because it is bitter, now that you say it, but I get 131 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:33,000 more pepper out of it than anything else. 132 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:42,880 I also should warn you that I smoked a Rocky Patel Edge earlier today, so it is Labor Day 133 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:43,880 for the listeners. 134 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,120 We have been forewarned. 135 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,400 I was at a Labor Day party. 136 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,280 I didn't make you call it early, did I? 137 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:53,280 No. 138 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:55,600 You were already on the road when I called you. 139 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:00,040 I had been texting Mike all day about, hey, we're going to smoke this cigar, and Dev's 140 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,040 on board finally. 141 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,080 We're going to get to talk to Dev, because Desmond wanted to do this for a little bit 142 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,240 of time. 143 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:06,240 Indeed. 144 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,320 And it was time to start the podcast, and there was no Mike, no Mike, and Dev and I 145 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:11,320 were sitting here. 146 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,680 And so I decided to give Mike a call, which is something my generation almost never does. 147 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,720 So I'm sure Mike was worried that I was dead in a ditch somewhere. 148 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,520 So sorry to give you a heart attack, Mike. 149 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:27,160 But then he was driving, and I'm like, well, are we not doing the podcast then? 150 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,400 But here we are. 151 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:39,440 So have it be known that speed laws do not count if you're late for a podcast. 152 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,600 So let's get to know Dev a little bit. 153 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,120 Dev kind of wanted to do a cold open, where he didn't want to get to know either one of 154 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,800 us very well before hopping on the podcast. 155 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:49,800 A little bit. 156 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,800 I thought it might be kind of interesting to just sort of jump right into it and have 157 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,040 it be as sort of natural and organic as possible. 158 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:02,240 We're just three guys on the golf course that happen to be looking for our ball in the same 159 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,240 set of weeds, because that's how I golf. 160 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,240 I do too. 161 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,440 I tend to slice it quite a bit. 162 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:17,160 Do you really? 163 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:18,160 It's funny. 164 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,040 I golfed a lot when I was younger. 165 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:29,200 I was doing massage therapy, and I was just getting into it and had my own practice, and 166 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,440 it was slow, and I sort of had my own schedule. 167 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:37,800 So my brother-in-law had a super open schedule too, and so we golfed probably three times 168 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,640 a week. 169 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,920 And yeah. 170 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:48,560 So where was I going again? 171 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:52,360 You're just talking about your slicing. 172 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:58,120 But I do want to say that I agree with all of Dev's initial impressions of the cigar, 173 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:03,080 but I'm getting a little faint sweetness coming from it. 174 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,080 There is sweetness. 175 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,080 Now that I'm a few puffs in. 176 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:06,080 Yeah. 177 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:07,080 Very peppery. 178 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,080 I'm getting a lot of peppery. 179 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,080 I thought we were going to talk about your wife, Mike. 180 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,080 A dark sweetness with some pepper. 181 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,080 A dark sweetness with some pepper. 182 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,800 What can I say? 183 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:19,800 I like them black and bitter. 184 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:20,800 Nice. 185 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,600 That's just the souls though. 186 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:29,400 Well, we never described her physically, so she can be black and bitter and dark and sweet 187 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:30,400 and peppery on the spots. 188 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:31,400 Yes. 189 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:40,560 If that makes you subscribe to our podcast, then that's what she is. 190 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:44,680 I think I was saying I had a lot of free time on my hands, and that's when I was golfing, 191 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:52,280 and then I had three kids, and priorities change, and you just don't have enough time 192 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,000 anymore. 193 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:02,280 The golf course was when I smoked cigars, so I just stopped indulging, I guess, in that. 194 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,040 I stopped... Actually, I smoked cigarettes back then too. 195 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:10,000 When I turned 40, I quit smoking cigarettes. 196 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,200 It was like, okay, well, I'm going to be 40. 197 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:20,360 It was right when they were trying to get funding for the new Viking Stadium, and so 198 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,000 they decided to jack the prices of cigarettes up another $2. 199 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:29,760 I'm like, okay, well, this is a perfect time to just stop smoking. 200 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:34,120 After that, I was like, okay, I'm not smoking cigarettes, so I guess I'm not smoking anything. 201 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,480 There you have it. 202 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,480 Now I'm 49. 203 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,680 32, he means, 32. 204 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:42,680 32, yes. 205 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:43,680 That's what I meant. 206 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:46,440 49 is the new 32. 207 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:47,440 Yep. 208 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:48,440 Why shouldn't it be? 209 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:49,440 Why not? 210 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:57,600 How I know Dev is we were at the same rave, and he had the same color glow bracelet that 211 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:58,600 I had. 212 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:03,960 We were the only two with the pink glow bracelets, which is weird because you would think that 213 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:08,200 pink is a popular color at raves, but apparently not. 214 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,960 Is he also seven feet tall? 215 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:11,960 Yeah, yeah. 216 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,560 Well, I mean, when he's fully erect, yes. 217 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:16,560 No, there we go. 218 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:22,320 No, Dev and I are neighbors, but we've since become more than that. 219 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,240 So bad, dude. 220 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,920 This is our coming out story. 221 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,800 I'm just kidding. 222 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:36,080 But no, so the other, well, Saturday, I was building a workbench with my other buddy, 223 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:42,760 and we needed some socket adapters because we had power drills, but they only had the 224 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,760 small socket adapter. 225 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,800 And we had these big fucking leg screws that we had to sink in, and we tried it with just 226 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,600 the socket handle, and it sucked ass. 227 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,120 So we're like, absolutely not, we're not doing this manually. 228 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,920 We got to figure out what adapter we need. 229 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,640 And Dev does a lot of work on cars and things. 230 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,080 And I just figured he would have them because I saw his two, I've seen his two, you got 231 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,480 two rolling toolboxes in the garage, don't you? 232 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,040 Sort of, they're not rolling, but. 233 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,140 Well, yeah. 234 00:12:12,140 --> 00:12:13,480 If you hit them hard enough, they'll roll. 235 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:14,480 They'll roll. 236 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:15,480 Yeah. 237 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:20,480 So he had the adapters we needed, so he saved the day, but we keep very friendly relations 238 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:21,480 to you. 239 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,400 You're talking like a three quarter to a quarter inch impact adapter? 240 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:24,400 Like a half inch or something. 241 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,400 Yeah. 242 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,780 It was like a half inch that you can sink right into your drill. 243 00:12:29,780 --> 00:12:32,160 So it's got that hex head on it. 244 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,160 Yeah. 245 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:34,160 Sure. 246 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,080 But we were, what was it? 247 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,300 It was national night out. 248 00:12:37,300 --> 00:12:40,920 So it was a couple of months ago, a month ago. 249 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:41,920 Yep. 250 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,560 We've known each other for 42 years. 251 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:46,560 You know what? 252 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:48,360 Time is so weird ever since the pandemic, I think. 253 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:54,640 Like I can't, I don't know what, when it is or how long it's been since something. 254 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,520 But maybe that's just getting older because it feels like 2000 was like 10 years ago, 255 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,560 but it was 22 years ago. 256 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:03,720 I agree with both of your statements. 257 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,720 I agree with both of your statements there because I think that the pandemic sped up 258 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,480 a lot of people's dissatisfaction with their lives. 259 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,680 They had a lot of reassessing. 260 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:14,680 Everybody did. 261 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:15,680 I feel called out. 262 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:16,680 What are you doing? 263 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:17,680 No. 264 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:18,680 What's going on here? 265 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:19,680 Are we- 266 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:20,680 No, no. 267 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:21,680 I'm laying down on my sofa. 268 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:27,320 I think a lot of people reassess their careers and they reassess their relationships. 269 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:28,320 You know, there's like a big- 270 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:29,320 Absolutely. 271 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:34,640 There's a huge turnover in the workforce right now and I think a lot of people just kind 272 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,920 of reassess what they find important in life. 273 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,740 And a huge increase in monkeypox. 274 00:13:39,740 --> 00:13:40,740 So what's that tell you? 275 00:13:40,740 --> 00:13:43,440 Well, we already talked about that. 276 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:48,440 Well, do you remember that whole killer bee thing that kind of like- 277 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:49,440 Yeah. 278 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:50,440 I wish that would have been bigger. 279 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,640 Like I'd love to come out with like an electronic racket to kill killer bees, but instead of 280 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:55,880 we got COVID. 281 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,480 I mean, what was that? 282 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:58,480 Was that just a distraction? 283 00:13:58,480 --> 00:13:59,480 I mean, I'm sure that's what it was. 284 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:00,480 Well, the killer bee thing- 285 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:01,480 Yeah. 286 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:09,280 They hybridized European with African bees because the European bee population was doing 287 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:14,680 really poorly in South America and they started spreading North and they thought that they 288 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:17,440 would just continue to spread North forever. 289 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:22,760 But then they hit winter time and then all the bees died. 290 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:30,440 Because they Africanized European bees so that the European bees would be more adaptable 291 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:36,680 to the summer times in South America and it made them more aggressive. 292 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:41,880 But then they couldn't handle winter and so they all died off in like Mexico and they 293 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,880 never made it up here. 294 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:44,880 Wow. 295 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:50,400 I do know about that because I know two guys that are beekeepers. 296 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,680 So yeah, I have two friends that are beekeepers. 297 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,440 Did it create concern for them? 298 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,440 Were they worried? 299 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:03,720 Yes, because if you get one of those bees into your hives, they'll interbreed with the 300 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,520 local population and then the bees have become more aggressive towards the beekeepers and 301 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:08,520 stuff too. 302 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:13,040 They are more aggressive, but they can't handle winter. 303 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,320 But they never made it this far North, right? 304 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:16,320 Like you said they- 305 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:17,320 No, never. 306 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:18,320 Okay. 307 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,920 They made it into like Arizona, but then they had a couple cold years and they all died 308 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:22,920 off. 309 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:23,920 At least here. 310 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,640 Down in like Central and South America, they still have that problem, but not in the states 311 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,480 right now. 312 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,400 I got stung by a bee today, of all things. 313 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:35,400 That's right. 314 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:36,400 Yeah. 315 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:41,320 Right in between, right on my forefinger, like right down by the base. 316 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:49,600 It was not fun, but good news, I'm not allergic, so I'm not the size of like an overripe tomato. 317 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,080 It's crazy how painful a bee sting can be. 318 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:54,080 It's not right. 319 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,080 It's not right how painful it is. 320 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,080 Yeah. 321 00:15:58,080 --> 00:15:59,080 It's, yeah. 322 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,600 They always seem to get you on like just the right spot. 323 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,360 A sensitive body part. 324 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,000 Like right where you don't want a bee sting, which incidentally is my entire body. 325 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,680 So they always get me there. 326 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,280 But no, as a way of more of an introduction to Davin, what we want to try and talk about 327 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,560 and what he was super jacked up about talking about is we were talking to National Night 328 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,000 Out because the cops were here and I was trying to get him to tase his wife because she was 329 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,040 splittering on my lawn. 330 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,360 Just friendly neighborhood stuff. 331 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,360 Yeah. 332 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:31,360 Just rappers. 333 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,760 But they were threatening to tase me and then we were kind of talking after, after party 334 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:43,600 hours about how like I've never been in a physical altercation, like a fight, right? 335 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,000 Yeah, like a legit fight. 336 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,960 Yeah, and have you been in one? 337 00:16:48,960 --> 00:17:00,200 So I was thinking about that and I had a couple interactions when I was a teenager with kids 338 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:08,080 that were bullying me, so to speak, I guess. 339 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:14,400 There was a time when this, I was just getting harassed by this kid and there really was 340 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,320 no basis for it other than he didn't like the way I looked. 341 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,560 Which is awesome, by the way. 342 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,360 How I look or it's awesome that he didn't like it. 343 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:23,360 No, that's how you look. 344 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:24,360 You look awesome. 345 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:25,360 Thanks, man. 346 00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:26,620 So people, of course, are going to be jealous about that. 347 00:17:26,620 --> 00:17:28,600 So I had come from another school. 348 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:34,160 It was like the beginning of like the skater days and I had like long bangs and sort of 349 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,520 a side spike on the side of my head. 350 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:44,680 So that was kind of a cool look where I was coming from and I came to this new school 351 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,080 and sort of being harassed. 352 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:58,280 But anyway, this one boy was calling me names and I never was one to just put up with it 353 00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:59,280 and just take it. 354 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,480 So he asked me if I wanted to fight. 355 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,520 He's like, you want to fight? 356 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:04,520 Okay. 357 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,640 I'd never been in a fight before. 358 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:13,920 So he said he wanted to meet at Kordiak Park at five o'clock. 359 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,800 And God, what grade I was in. 360 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,760 Seventh grade, I think. 361 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:26,320 And so right before dinner, I asked my brother who was six years younger than me. 362 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:27,320 So he was just a kid. 363 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:28,520 I'm like, hey, I'm going to get in a fight. 364 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,480 Do you want to come with me? 365 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:38,000 So I show up with my kid brother and this guy has another guy with him. 366 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,080 And it was just one of those things where he was just kind of, we were just talking 367 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:47,320 shit back and forth and there was like some shoving going on, just shoving back and forth. 368 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,880 I don't know if you've experienced this or seen it. 369 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,800 It's like, I've seen some sort of this weird thing where like pretty lame fights, but you 370 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:55,920 throw the first punch. 371 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,240 No, you throw the first punch. 372 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,720 It was like, okay, this is stupid. 373 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,880 Like I guess if we're doing this, I'm going for it. 374 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:08,600 So I just socked him in the gut and he didn't even fight back. 375 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:14,960 And he just sort of like doubled over a little bit and he was like, hey, we're cool, man. 376 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:15,960 We're cool. 377 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:24,660 And he like shook my hand and it was really bizarre and he never bothered me again. 378 00:19:24,660 --> 00:19:28,960 But that was, I mean, that was the first sort of thing. 379 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:34,200 There's others, but obviously I'd like to get, find out if, if we know Nate has never 380 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,120 been, how about you, Mike? 381 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:43,040 I have been in a few physical altercations. 382 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:48,200 And that shoving thing is usually where they, where they stop depending on who you're with. 383 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,200 Yeah. 384 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:55,360 So just like, it's not really like even like an honor thing, but my, my friend in middle 385 00:19:55,360 --> 00:20:00,280 school was getting picked on by this kid that was held back like, I don't know, two or three 386 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,280 years, right? 387 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,160 So it wasn't his first year being held back. 388 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,800 And I'm quite tall now, but I didn't really spring up until high school and he was picking 389 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:09,800 on my friend. 390 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,720 And so after class one day, I pinned him up against the wall and you know, he's like a 391 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,800 foot taller than I am because he's, you know, three years older than I am. 392 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,480 And I told him to leave my buddy alone. 393 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:20,680 And then we became best friends. 394 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:25,160 Like the three of us all became best friends, but there was no like punching or anything. 395 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,880 It was just like push them against the wall. 396 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,160 And that was kind of it, you know? 397 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:40,120 And so like Dev and I were talking, like, is it weird that as educated and logical and 398 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:44,440 rational men that there's some part of us that still wants to get into a fight? 399 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:50,880 Not like, you know, hiding rolls of quarters in your, in your boxing gloves kind of fight, 400 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,240 like not dirty fighting, but just like almost like fight club. 401 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,320 Like I don't, I don't want to like lose an eye. 402 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,680 I don't want to necessarily spit out teeth, but you know. 403 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:10,000 But just sort of like establishing yourself as like the animalistic side of a man, you 404 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:20,380 know, you know, with just a deep core feeling of having to sort of either establish yourself 405 00:21:20,380 --> 00:21:28,380 or defend yourself or defend somebody around you in a physical way. 406 00:21:28,380 --> 00:21:32,280 And we've, we got to talk and thought that was really an interesting concept because 407 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:41,200 okay, ideally it's in you sort of to need to defend and fight. 408 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,440 So yeah, I mean. 409 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:49,400 Ideally you'd want to win, but like even to some extent, like even if you got into a fight 410 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,600 and you're like, Hey, I'm still standing. 411 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,680 Like I was able to take a beating, you know, like, I mean the first Rocky movie, like, 412 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,800 you know, Adrian, like I did it. 413 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:01,560 Like even that to some extent is like enough. 414 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,160 I don't want to go and like just fight a random person because what if they're packing or 415 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:11,040 you got knives or, you know, what is there some like jujitsu master or something, but 416 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,760 there's some kind of like weird evolutionary thing. 417 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,640 I think. 418 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:20,600 I think that a lot of that has to do with the fact that you guys are educated gentlemen 419 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,840 where violence was not a routine part of your lives. 420 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:24,840 Right. 421 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,760 Because I never grew, I did not grow up in a violent area. 422 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:37,160 Nate knows where I grew up, but I lived in a violent world being like a traveling person 423 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:42,920 and fighting is, is violent and it is ugly. 424 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,680 And somebody will turn your head into a fucking canoe. 425 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,400 So you definitely want to avoid confrontation if you can. 426 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,960 And in my, at least in my experience, I got into one physical fight where it was like 427 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:04,160 the stand up punch, punch fight happened to be in the middle of a road over something 428 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,360 very dumb. 429 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:11,120 And I've been sucker punched a few times and those always ended with me grabbing them 430 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:16,560 and then like immediately back and down because they didn't want to get hurt. 431 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:22,200 Cause once I'm a big guy, Deb doesn't know who I am, but I'm a big strong guy and I got 432 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,040 really strong hands. 433 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,520 So once I got my hands on them, they knew that I could really, really hurt them. 434 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:33,720 If I want, I mean, I showed him your only fans, so he kind of knew. 435 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,040 I am the man with the 10 inch cock. 436 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,040 Yeah. 437 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,040 Well, I will be subscribing. 438 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,040 Yes. 439 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,040 Yes. 440 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:48,000 But in my experience, fights are usually extremely violent and they're not very gentlemanly and 441 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:53,760 they're either quick or they're, it leads to ultra violence very quickly. 442 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:59,840 Well I actually went to school with a guy that got shot in the head in a fight when 443 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:00,840 we were in trade school. 444 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:01,840 Wow. 445 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:02,840 See, and that's, is he okay? 446 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:03,840 Yeah. 447 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:04,840 Yeah. 448 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:05,840 He's not okay. 449 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,800 That's when it becomes not, yeah. 450 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,000 I mean, that's when it becomes not, you're not fighting anymore. 451 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,000 You're just, yeah. 452 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,320 And so like, and that's kind of what we were talking about. 453 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:22,000 There's a distinction between like, we've got this evolutionary need as males to kind 454 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,960 of like set a, set a pecking order almost, you know, or to like prove yourself or whatever 455 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,960 it is. 456 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,440 And maybe that's why people get into like extreme sports. 457 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,580 We don't necessarily want to go and like kill somebody else or we don't want to be killed, 458 00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:36,580 you know? 459 00:24:36,580 --> 00:24:42,080 Maybe that's why Fight Club is such a great movie because like you have to go and buy 460 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,040 these things that they all match the other things that you already have. 461 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:54,040 And really men are more, you know, historically antiquity speaking, men have been the hunters 462 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,240 and women have been the gatherers. 463 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,400 And we're kind of now we don't get to hunt things and we don't get to go and do, you 464 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,480 know, like the manly things that evolution has trained us to do. 465 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:09,760 And so that's why people get really like super upset about their sports team or something. 466 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:10,760 Like I don't know. 467 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,240 I mean, but there's gotta be, there's gotta be like a healthy outlet and maybe that's 468 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,160 where like the Fight Club comes in, you know? 469 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,960 I think Fight Club, I love the movie and I love the book. 470 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,840 It was great, but it's just not realistic. 471 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:32,480 People are, when it comes down to, when you start fighting, it gets, whoever is going 472 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,480 to lose. 473 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:34,480 How the rules go out the window. 474 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:35,480 It becomes violent. 475 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,480 Like in an instant. 476 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,680 The violence rolls up and wraps up and wraps up. 477 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:44,440 And the first person to take it to the true, like I'm going to kill you violence is always 478 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,440 the winner. 479 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,440 You know? 480 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,640 Well, and it's always that way. 481 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:57,000 Here's the other thing is in a fight, if it's a real fight and is knuckles to knuckles, 482 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:02,200 and I mean, it's obviously more than knuckles to knuckles, but like you don't know what 483 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,640 the other person is capable of or what they, where they're willing to take it. 484 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:13,040 So it's so intense that if you're in a fight, it's, it's on and anything goes. 485 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,040 Am I right? 486 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,040 Like, um, I mean, okay. 487 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,360 I've got a clear shot of this dude's nuts right now. 488 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,960 Should I, should I go for it? 489 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:23,960 You know what I mean? 490 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,560 Like, cause there's always that thing like, Oh yeah, you don't go for nuts. 491 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,840 You go to the nuts or to the back of the head or the side of the head. 492 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:40,000 If they don't go down now, you're fucked because they know it's on and it's going to be extremely 493 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,000 violent. 494 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:48,800 And now you have to either give up or you have to take it up a notch from there, you 495 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:49,800 know? 496 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,360 And usually guy doesn't go down from a shot to the nuts in a fight. 497 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,800 Use your testosterone is up here. 498 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,800 That's adrenaline is up. 499 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,080 Like everything is your ramped into it. 500 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:04,840 It doesn't hurt until later, you know, physically hurt until after the fact. 501 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,840 It's not a movie, right? 502 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:07,840 Yeah. 503 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,360 But I mean, we talked about this too. 504 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:15,000 When we were, when we were chatting about this, you know, like a month ago is, you know, 505 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,000 logically, right? 506 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:23,440 Like logically, if, if you know anything about fighting, even just from textbook, I mean, 507 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,920 you know, you know, the, the weak spots, right? 508 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,960 So even if you've never been in a fight, you know, where to focus your energy and effort 509 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:37,680 if you want to end the fight instantly or as close to instantly as you can, right? 510 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,520 Like you know, the places to go for, we're not going to mention them here because we 511 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,960 don't promote fighting and violence and you should love everybody and be a rational human 512 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:53,280 being in that, you know, uncaged apes, like, like us here on the podcast, but you know, 513 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,280 like rationally or logically, you know, where is going to end the fight the quickest for 514 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,700 you on your opponent. 515 00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:03,200 But that's not the point of like getting into a fight. 516 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,680 Like just because you can outsmart them doesn't mean, you know, I mean, you know what I mean? 517 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,680 Like it's, it's weird. 518 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,640 It's like sick almost. 519 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,360 Like I just want to go and go, I just want to be rocky. 520 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:17,760 I want to go like 18 rounds with Apollo Creed and, but not have, not to have my eyelid like 521 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,060 razor blade opened. 522 00:28:19,060 --> 00:28:23,600 Like that would be okay if that didn't happen to me in my life. 523 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,600 Sure. 524 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,360 Most fights start with somebody hitting you in the back of the head when you're sitting 525 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:27,360 down. 526 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:28,360 Yeah. 527 00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:32,840 But I mean like, you know, like is it wrong to want like an honorable, like almost duel 528 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,980 where it's like, there's people there that will stop it if, if the other person gets 529 00:28:35,980 --> 00:28:37,640 out of hand or if you get out of hand. 530 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,840 I think the other thing too is like, if you've never been in a fight, you don't know what 531 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,520 you're capable of either. 532 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,120 You know, like I've got two younger brothers and I'm capable of some really fucked up shit. 533 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:53,540 Not even like fight wise, but just like, you know, to win. 534 00:28:53,540 --> 00:28:55,480 So there's also that. 535 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,680 And so some of it is like knowing your limits and what you're capable of, or like knowing 536 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,740 those kind of like dark things about you that you'd rather not get out. 537 00:29:03,740 --> 00:29:07,240 So when you say you don't know what the other person's capable of, I mean, you don't also, 538 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,960 you also don't know what you're capable of sometimes. 539 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,520 And that can be equally frightening. 540 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:12,880 It can be. 541 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:18,480 So did it, did it ever get pretty knocked down, dragged out with your siblings then? 542 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:24,000 I mean, I know siblings can be pretty ruthless with each other, but super ruthless. 543 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,360 I hope, I mean, I don't know if my brother's listening to the podcast. 544 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,880 I mean, I hope it didn't get that way. 545 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:35,680 I hope it was just normal stuff, but like we had kind of like an angry household. 546 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,200 And so we didn't really have good ways to manage our anger as kids. 547 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:44,720 We've all kind of gotten our new ways of, or like our adult ways of moving beyond that 548 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:50,600 anger and that super testosterone stuff. 549 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:56,200 But you know, like I'm happy to not be that angry all the time, like super happy, but 550 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,640 I still want to get into a fight. 551 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,920 I mean, not like, you know, not like a life threatening fight or like I got to get my 552 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,240 copay has to go up on my insurance kind of fight. 553 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,040 But just, just, just to urge that sort of in the back of your mind, because it's never 554 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,120 happened before. 555 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,160 And so you don't like, you feel like you're kind of maybe missing out on something or 556 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,640 missing out on something that you're not missing out on anything. 557 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,640 I assure you. 558 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,640 Well, I know. 559 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:20,640 And I know it's dumb and stupid. 560 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,640 It's like the stupidest thing ever. 561 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,200 Like, they don't want to get into a fight. 562 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:32,280 I can tell you, if you were to get sucker punched in a bar and you got into a fight 563 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,960 and it happened a couple of times, your immediate response is like, Nate, see me, I'm a big 564 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:38,960 guy. 565 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,160 I'm going to get them on the ground to get on top. 566 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,600 They, they're going to give up because they know they've lost. 567 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:45,600 You're on top of them. 568 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,600 Yeah. 569 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,600 Like that's, it's not, you're just standing up and fighting. 570 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,040 Like if you're the bigger, stronger guy, or if you're big enough, you flip them, you get 571 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,880 on top of them, get them on the ground. 572 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,520 And then you can fucking start hitting them with your arm. 573 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:00,520 Yeah. 574 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,480 Used to, I mean, you don't even hit them with your fist. 575 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,920 You just hit them with your arm. 576 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,400 Like straight up. 577 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,400 Okay. 578 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:14,520 See, now I feel like, I feel like, you know, Mike's got some experience maybe with, well, 579 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,840 clearly you've been in a few fights. 580 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,280 Have you had any training in any sort of self-defense? 581 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,280 No. 582 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,280 Okay. 583 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,560 I was beat up by my cousins and my brothers, but I was not. 584 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:26,560 No. 585 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:27,560 So what? 586 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:28,560 Well, some of that's evolutionary though. 587 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:29,560 It is. 588 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:30,560 Yeah. 589 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,480 You get on top of them, you hit them with your elbow. 590 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,080 Like I'm talking your forearm, you know, hit them with your fist. 591 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,760 You just kind of like get your weight on them and start just bashing them with your forearm 592 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:40,760 and your elbow. 593 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,800 Cause you're not going to hurt you. 594 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,800 You're just going to hurt them, you know? 595 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,080 Right. 596 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:52,880 So you can really get your shoulder into it and you're in control. 597 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,800 You know, the fight, like a real fight, which I've seen many fights other than me being 598 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,760 in them, it always goes to the ground. 599 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,600 It's always easier to fight on the ground. 600 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,360 I see. 601 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,040 That's okay. 602 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,800 And I haven't seen a lot of fights. 603 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:16,000 I mean, so the only fights that I've seen is when I was a kid, when I was a teenager, 604 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,500 you know, middle school, high school, everybody was getting into fights and it was always 605 00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:20,500 a big deal. 606 00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:21,760 I don't know if you guys experienced the same thing. 607 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:27,080 It was like, Oh, meet you out back at the water tower and the entire school piles out 608 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,560 and crowds around and there's just a crazy battle Royale. 609 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,440 It was like, I've seen probably six fights like that. 610 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:41,360 I think they discontinued that when you went to high school and when I did, but I was a 611 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,240 smaller town. 612 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,560 And then I was like the last class in high school before they put in the security cameras. 613 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:48,560 Okay. 614 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,560 Right. 615 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,840 Cause like, that's when like a lot of the school shootings started to happen. 616 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,320 So they started putting in all these cameras everywhere after I graduated. 617 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,920 And I was like, man, how am I going to like, if I was still in high school, how would I 618 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:07,300 hide out in a corner and talk nerdy stuff with my friends with the cameras everywhere? 619 00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:15,080 So the other scenario that I can think of that I was ever in a fight was another one 620 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,160 of those things where I was being picked on about the same thing or whatever. 621 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:29,640 I guess I was a real geek, but it was on the bus and I was the very first stop on the bus. 622 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,000 And okay, so can I say a word in context or okay. 623 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,800 Yeah, well, so, okay. 624 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:42,560 So this kid that had been giving me a hard time, he was a year younger than me and he 625 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,680 was probably entire head shorter than me. 626 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,760 And he was always calling me a faggot. 627 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,400 And I'm like, fuck you, fuck you. 628 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,480 And I was talking back to him and I was just like, I wasn't taking his shit. 629 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,280 I'm like, this is a little kid. 630 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:02,720 I mean, I could take this kid if I really had to, you know, I'm like, screw you. 631 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,680 So I was sitting in the front of the bus because that's where kind of the nerdy kids sit, I 632 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,120 guess. 633 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,560 Or somebody new to a school that's not established. 634 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,360 So I'm the first stop on the bus. 635 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,240 I get off and I start walking home. 636 00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:23,040 It was probably like two blocks home and the entire bus unloads behind me. 637 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,880 I'm like, all right, well, this isn't going to be good. 638 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:26,880 So I'm just walking. 639 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,280 I'm like, I'm out of here. 640 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:33,400 I know something's going to go down, but I'm just going to make a beeline home. 641 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,840 And I felt a tap on my shoulder and I turned around and boom, I got sucker punched right 642 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,520 in the eye. 643 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,000 And here's what triggered in me. 644 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,280 It wasn't trying to take the kid down. 645 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,560 I grabbed him by the nape of the neck and I started pounding on his head. 646 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,920 I'm like, I was like, I had so much adrenaline built up because I knew something was going 647 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,360 to happen. 648 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,040 But when I got a hold of this kid, I wasn't going to stop. 649 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,560 Like it was, it was an absolute animalistic thing, but I wasn't trying to get on top of 650 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,560 him. 651 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,560 I was pounding on his head and I was like, okay, this is pretty ruthless. 652 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,880 Well, another kid grabbed me from behind and punched me in my other eye, which was his 653 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:11,880 older brother. 654 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,760 And I'm like, okay, here we have like a two on one situation now. 655 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,760 And a neighbor saw it came and broke the thing up. 656 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:25,960 That bottom line is like my instinct was, okay, I got hit and I'm going to hit and it's not 657 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,200 going to stop. 658 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,920 But I was what, how old are you when you're in seventh grade? 659 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:33,920 Yeah, not too old. 660 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:34,920 I guess. 661 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:35,920 I don't know. 662 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:36,920 13, 12, something like that. 663 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:37,920 Yeah. 664 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,920 13, somewhere in there. 665 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:39,920 Yeah. 666 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,440 So real quick, I'm about halfway done. 667 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:53,480 I'm maybe like a quarter inch from the closest band, which I'm about to tear off. 668 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:59,480 I'm a little behind you and mine keeps going up because I'm not puffing as much on it. 669 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,760 He's doing more chatting than he is smoking, which is fine because that's what we wanted 670 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,760 to guess. 671 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,080 Focus on the task at hand, which is smoking the cigar. 672 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,240 Do you have any thoughts? 673 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:09,240 I'm enjoying it. 674 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:10,240 Yeah. 675 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:11,240 I am enjoying this. 676 00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:12,240 Yeah. 677 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,200 I'm not smoking the bitter anymore. 678 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,760 The bitter wasn't even necessarily a negative thing for me. 679 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,960 It was just part of it, but I feel like it's smooth. 680 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,280 There's nothing harsh in my mouth about it. 681 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,720 Yeah. 682 00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:35,320 I do have, I'm definitely getting more of the peppery now as well. 683 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,640 Yeah. 684 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,200 I think it's good. 685 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,640 Full disclosure, the first one I smoked of this, I didn't really like, I didn't care 686 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,240 for. 687 00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:48,840 But I think this one's just fine. 688 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:55,760 I don't know that it's overly complex or changing notes necessarily, but it's smooth and it's 689 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,760 tasty. 690 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,760 I am way past you guys. 691 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:07,520 I have a quarter left of the cigar because I was being sad when you guys are chitty chatting, 692 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:08,520 which is good. 693 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,480 And it has not changed a note. 694 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,480 It's dark. 695 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,960 It's got some sweetness. 696 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,200 It's peppery, very smooth, not overly strong. 697 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,680 It's consistent. 698 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,680 It's consistent. 699 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,400 And that takes, we've talked about it many times on the show. 700 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,920 It takes a lot of talent to make a cigar taste the same way all the way through as you're 701 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:37,160 burning leaf and building up tar and everything in the wrap. 702 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:42,920 So is there in the cigar world a grading of cigars too? 703 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:50,840 This is a mid-range or this is a really hidey-tidy cigar. 704 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:56,040 Well, I know pipes and cigars, they have a darkness scale. 705 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,600 They got the little arrows up and down. 706 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,200 And I think there's five of them. 707 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,480 And so if you've got one arrow filled in, it's a lighter cigar. 708 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,560 And if you've got four or five filled in, it's darker. 709 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,880 So they give you a little bit of the taste profile in that. 710 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,720 I'm sure there's something more scientific. 711 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:21,040 Well, there's also the Cigar Aficionado rankings, which people follow religiously. 712 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:26,240 And in my opinion, a lot of those rankings are based off how much they cost and how much 713 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:29,480 the magazine gets as a promo. 714 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:37,040 But we mostly smoke mid-tier and lower-tier cigars. 715 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,840 We've had a couple upper-tier cigars, but I don't think that the upper-tier cigars are 716 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,640 any better than mid-tier. 717 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:48,400 Lower-tier cigars are really wild in how good or bad they are. 718 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:55,120 But if you get something like a Perdomo, which is what we smoked last episode, it's going 719 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,120 to be good. 720 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,120 And it's a mid-tier cigar. 721 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,120 You can go to a cigar lounge and get one for 10, 12 bucks. 722 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,680 And that's really all you need to spend to get a good cigar. 723 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,040 You can get a good cigar for five bucks, six bucks too. 724 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,720 But you have to be more discerning. 725 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:09,720 But less, yeah, less consistent. 726 00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:11,720 A lot of $5 and $6 cigars are terrible. 727 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:14,280 Yeah, it's not as consistent. 728 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,000 If you spend 10, 15 bucks on a cigar, it's going to be pretty good. 729 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,000 Okay. 730 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:26,680 But yeah, I think that's what I enjoy too, is being able to smoke the cigars that anyone 731 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,920 can afford and anyone can go get. 732 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:29,920 Sure. 733 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,480 We're not smoking the wrapped in gold foil. 734 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,480 I don't know if there is one. 735 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,480 I'm sure somewhere there is. 736 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,480 Yeah, I have one. 737 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,480 I have one. 738 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,480 Oh, of course. 739 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,480 Of course Mike would. 740 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,480 I got it as a Christmas present from Sarah's uncle. 741 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,920 I got one for a Christmas present. 742 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:51,280 And I think for our season finales, maybe we'll smoke an upper-tier one or something 743 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,320 more in the $20 per stick range. 744 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:58,800 You can get up to 40, 50 bucks a stick too, and more expensive than that too. 745 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:04,800 I know man, but until we get some sponsors, I'm just saying, we'll smoke some upper-tier 746 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,160 for us ones on the show. 747 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,800 But mostly we've been smoking in the 10 and under range, right? 748 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,000 Yeah, for the most part. 749 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,000 For the most part. 750 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,480 For the most part, the cigar shop. 751 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:22,760 Because we, Dev might not know this, but we order them online in bulk and you get really 752 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,800 good prices when you start getting online and getting a lot of cigars at a time. 753 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,560 You can get some good deals. 754 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,360 Very good deals. 755 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,880 And then where are you getting most of your recommendations? 756 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,560 You guys are subscribed to magazines or certain- 757 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:46,240 I just go based on what we talked about this, a couple episodes ago we talked about this 758 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:51,320 where I do more of the tech stuff and Mike kind of does the cigar scouting. 759 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:57,280 So he's more got a feel on the pulse of the cigar thing. 760 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,640 And sometimes when I buy cigars, I'm just like, hey, this one sounds good. 761 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,160 So I'll buy that. 762 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,840 And then I'll give Mike a few sticks. 763 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,400 But usually it's like Mike, like, hey, we should smoke this one or that one. 764 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,640 And he kind of hooks me up with some of those because he buys in bulk a lot. 765 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:21,880 So here's going to be a layman's sort of question, I guess, for a while. 766 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:27,440 And I don't know if it was because of the inability to acquire it, but everybody was 767 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,760 all about the Cubans. 768 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,080 You got to get the Cuban cigars. 769 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,280 And they were illegal or something, right? 770 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,840 The embargo. 771 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:41,760 So are they a better cigar or were they just coveted because they were hard to get a hold 772 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,080 of? 773 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:49,960 I have smoked a Cuban cigar and the Cuban cigar thing, there's a long history. 774 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,920 So they put an embargo on them in the Kennedy administration. 775 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,560 And at that time, a bunch of the friends of the Kennedys imported a shit ton of Cuban 776 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,560 tobacco. 777 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:07,640 So for many years, you could get a Cuban leaf cigar that was hand rolled in the United States. 778 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,880 And that's one of the cigars that I smoked. 779 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:17,240 If you go to a foreign country as an American, you have to be really careful because they're 780 00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:20,600 going to try to fuck you over and tell you it's a Cuban cigar. 781 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:21,600 You have to be very careful. 782 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:29,640 You can go up to Canada and get a Cuban cigar at a cigar shop there. 783 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:39,600 I spent $30 in 2006, I want to say, on a Cuban cigar that was hand rolled in America. 784 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,720 And it was a good cigar, but it wasn't any better than a $10 or $15 cigar that you can 785 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:45,720 buy today. 786 00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:46,720 They're good. 787 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:50,360 They're very oily and very dark and they are good. 788 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:55,060 But a lot of the mystique is because we have the embargo and we don't have really access 789 00:42:55,060 --> 00:42:58,000 to them in the States. 790 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,320 And it's difficult to get a real one unless you go to a real cigar shop in another country, 791 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,000 which a lot of people don't have the resources to do. 792 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:11,800 Like if I go to Winnipeg, I'm going to a cigar shop and getting Cuban cigars, but you can't 793 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,440 bring them back across the border. 794 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,440 So you can smoke them there. 795 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,320 And it makes it nice, but they're not really any better. 796 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,560 But is there just, there's not just one Cuban cigar either. 797 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:24,560 No, there's several brands. 798 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,040 So it's the same thing as here. 799 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,240 You can buy an American cigar, but as we've demonstrated on the show already, some of 800 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:34,240 them are terrible and some of them are great. 801 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:36,240 And a lot of them are middle- 802 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:37,880 Romeo and Julieta, Nicaraguan cigar, and it was great. 803 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,400 Well, Romeo and Julieta makes Cuban cigars as well. 804 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:47,400 I've had Arturo Fuente cigars and they make Cuban cigars and a lot of these companies, 805 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,760 if you get it from a reputable company, it's going to be good. 806 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:52,760 But it's just like anything else. 807 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,200 You could spend big money on a Cuban cigar and it's not the kind of cigar you like even, 808 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,200 you know, and you're not going to like it. 809 00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,200 Oh, sure. 810 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,640 And you're going to say, oh, Cuban cigars suck. 811 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,400 But it's the same as here, anywhere else, any other country that makes cigars is it's 812 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:12,040 not just one, we don't have the USA cigar company making every cigar in America. 813 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,160 You know, there's the same with breweries. 814 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,100 Like they all have their own take on them. 815 00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:17,600 They all have their own process. 816 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,880 They all have their own flavorings. 817 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,680 They all have their own everything. 818 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,240 So just to go and buy a Cuban cigar. 819 00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:24,240 Yeah. 820 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,000 The only reason you're buying it is because we have the embargo. 821 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,620 Are there some Cuban cigars that are great and would blow most of the stuff that we smoke 822 00:44:30,620 --> 00:44:31,620 out of the water? 823 00:44:31,620 --> 00:44:32,620 Sure. 824 00:44:32,620 --> 00:44:35,480 Are there some that would taste a lot worse than some of the ones that we smoke? 825 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,480 Of course. 826 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,480 Gotcha. 827 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,480 I think I mean, I don't know. 828 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:44,880 I've never had a few figures, but I've heard like, you know, if you just want a Cuban, 829 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:45,880 it's kind of overrated. 830 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,320 If you know what you like, you can get a really good Cuban cigar. 831 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,320 I see. 832 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,320 It's not just get a real Cuban. 833 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:57,360 You know, if you go to a Mexican border town, you're not getting a real Cuban cigar. 834 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:03,200 But yeah, that's part of the mystique though. 835 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:11,380 For us being poor white people in the middle of nowhere, then yeah, it's nice to have something 836 00:45:11,380 --> 00:45:12,380 that you can't have. 837 00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:13,380 Yeah. 838 00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:20,360 I'd rather smoke the Rocky Patel in 1990 than try and go find a Cuban. 839 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:21,360 Yeah. 840 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:26,840 A CEO, Flathead 660 is a great cigar. 841 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:27,840 Yeah. 842 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,840 Hard to go wrong. 843 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,960 I mean, are they comparable to a Cuban? 844 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:32,960 I don't know. 845 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,760 But you know, it's kind of like you figure out what you like and you smoke that. 846 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,720 And if somebody offers you the chance to smoke a real Cuban, then do that too. 847 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:44,440 You know, but I don't think the Cuban is the end all be all of cigars. 848 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,440 No, it's not magical. 849 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,200 It's like anything else, right? 850 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,200 Except the Moon Trance. 851 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,680 Before, yeah, the Moon Trance is something else. 852 00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:03,040 They're truly great, but that comes around not too often. 853 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,040 You were smoking with Dave? 854 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,040 Yeah. 855 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,040 Okay. 856 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:17,440 It's like the AR-15 boom that happened after the assault weapons ban back in the day. 857 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:25,080 You know, before then people were shooting mini-14s and mini-15s and mini-30s and shit. 858 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:30,600 They're essentially the same firearm, just with a different stock, you know. 859 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:36,240 And if they do come up with a new assault weapons ban, they won't make a mini-14 illegal. 860 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:39,760 So they'll just switch back to that and it'll be fine. 861 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,280 It'll be perfectly fine. 862 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,840 Nothing will have meaningfully changed. 863 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:52,360 Just like even though they banned Cuban cigars, we're still smoking cigars and we enjoy them. 864 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,440 Nothing has really changed except instead of Cuba getting the money, somebody else does. 865 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,440 Gotcha. 866 00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,440 Right. 867 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,720 And there was talks during the Obama administration of lifting the ban. 868 00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:06,000 I'm not sure where it went. 869 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,000 I'm sure nowhere. 870 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,000 Probably nowhere. 871 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,000 But it's pointless. 872 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,000 Ultimately it's pointless. 873 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,000 Thanks Obama. 874 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,000 Yeah, thanks Obama. 875 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,000 Exactly. 876 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,000 We gotta bring that back. 877 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,000 I say it all the time. 878 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,000 It's still out there. 879 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,000 Yeah. 880 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:24,000 It's still out there. 881 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,000 You never went anywhere. 882 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,000 It's still here. 883 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,000 Way to go, Brandon. 884 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,000 Oh God. 885 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,000 Yeah. 886 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,000 Thanks, Brandon. 887 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:37,000 I had a discussion with my relatives about that, about Trump, because they were, you 888 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,680 know, saying how great Trump was. 889 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,360 And I was like, what's the difference? 890 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,340 They couldn't say a single thing. 891 00:47:43,340 --> 00:47:47,240 My wonderful relatives who were Trumpers could not say a single thing that was better about 892 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:48,240 Trump. 893 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:51,680 It's like, well, it's because there is no difference, is there? 894 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:56,840 Basically, I didn't say exactly that, but what is the meaningful difference in policy? 895 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:57,840 The politicians are all the same. 896 00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,360 It's the same shit. 897 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,000 My taxes went up. 898 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,560 My freedom went down. 899 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,240 And not in a good way. 900 00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:12,440 But they sure find a way to blame the current administration when it's not who they... 901 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:13,440 Or the last one. 902 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,440 Yeah. 903 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,440 Or the last one. 904 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,440 Exactly. 905 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,440 Right. 906 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:23,480 Every problem in the whole world is because of, you know, Don Biden. 907 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:24,480 Every single one. 908 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:25,480 Yeah. 909 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:26,480 And George Obama. 910 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:27,480 I know. 911 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,480 It was George Obama before. 912 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,480 Yeah. 913 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,440 Or, you know, Barack Trump. 914 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:36,440 Yeah. 915 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:43,440 They'll always figure out a way to not make it a systemic failure in policy. 916 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:50,960 So anyway, so you guys are really big fans of the romanticization of fighting. 917 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,840 I wasn't expecting that. 918 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,880 Of course, our lives are different. 919 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,120 You know, our lives are totally different in our backgrounds. 920 00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,120 Our lives are different. 921 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:05,400 I don't know that I would say I'm a fan of romanticizing fighting. 922 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,040 It was just kind of a weird thing because it's like I've never really been in a fight 923 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:16,800 that hasn't been over, you know, by pushing someone against a wall or, you know, whatever. 924 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,260 Like I punched my cousin a few times because he was being a giant dick. 925 00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:26,320 But there's not ever like a return punch, you know, so it wasn't really like a fight. 926 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,540 It was just kind of like a way to end a disagreement, you know. 927 00:49:30,540 --> 00:49:34,000 And I wouldn't say like it's romanticized because I understand that I don't want to 928 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,000 be in a fight. 929 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,820 I understand it's a dangerous thing to be in a fight. 930 00:49:37,820 --> 00:49:44,040 But there's some like weird evolutionary like drive in my body that I can like recognize. 931 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,040 Sure. 932 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,960 Like, you know, like it's not like it's not that I'm trying to romanticize fighting or 933 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,040 that I, you know, because, you know, and I'll say like, hey, I'd like to be in like a super 934 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,040 fair fight. 935 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,440 We're just like two buddies and they're like, hey, let's just, you know, let's spar or let's 936 00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:58,440 like whatever. 937 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,420 But like that's not really it, you know. 938 00:50:01,420 --> 00:50:06,680 But I can understand that it's like a weird like evolutionary thing, you know, kind of 939 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,920 like if you just want to like just fuck a whole bunch, you know, like that's kind of 940 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,160 evolutionary, right. 941 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,240 But you understand you can't just go fuck a whole bunch without getting syphilis or 942 00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:20,440 AIDS or crabs or whatever, whatever it is, you know, like there's always consequences 943 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:26,880 and that's the whole that was kind of like what intrigued Devon myself where it's like, 944 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,200 you know, we're educated people. 945 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:37,400 Like we're not, we're not, you know, go back 50, 60, 100 years where education was a lofty 946 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,560 goal for a lot of people. 947 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:45,400 And you know, and it still is in some instances, but and we should close that gap, of course. 948 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:50,420 But like we understand like fighting isn't how you resolve things. 949 00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:53,760 But there's still that weird evolutionary thing like the evolutionary holdover, like 950 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,960 the spleen or the appendix. 951 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,400 Like what is that doing? 952 00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,640 Like I don't, I don't need it. 953 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:00,640 It's tonsils. 954 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,640 I don't need it, but it's here still. 955 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,840 So it's kind of that weird thing where it's like, I understand that it's dumb. 956 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,920 Like I don't, like I shouldn't, I shouldn't even want, I shouldn't even be talking about 957 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,600 wanting to do it. 958 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,880 But it's this weird evolutionary kind of like drive almost. 959 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,000 I don't feel that drive. 960 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,600 Well, you are more evolved than me, I guess. 961 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:23,600 And they're done. 962 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:24,600 I'm not more evolved. 963 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,800 I've just seen more fights. 964 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,440 Yeah. 965 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:37,000 So when I was in high school, I had a buddy who was a wrestler and he was a little smaller 966 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,240 than me, real strong, wiry guy. 967 00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:45,800 And he was teaching me a little bit about wrestling. 968 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:51,640 And on a couple of occasions we engaged in a wrestling match. 969 00:51:51,640 --> 00:52:04,840 It wasn't weird or anything, but that is an interesting experience too, because there 970 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:11,120 is so much strength involved and it's a very intense thing too. 971 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:19,120 So it's not the same thing, I guess, as fighting per se, but you are really struggling to overtake 972 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:26,360 another person or trying to get out of a certain situation. 973 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:38,720 And I mean, that was kind of a, I guess, sort of a similar sort of concept, I guess, in 974 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:43,880 that like, you're trying to establish yourself with your strength and stamina to be able 975 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,360 to overcome another person. 976 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:57,920 And there were times when I was being held down or there were times when I was the aggressor 977 00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,200 in the situation too. 978 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:07,160 And I mean, I never wanted to be a wrestler or anything, but I do look at that experience 979 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:12,480 as something of a similar nature, I guess. 980 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:19,600 Like I say, most fights that I've seen are glorified wrestling matches with striking 981 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:20,600 involved. 982 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:21,600 Sure. 983 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:22,600 No kicking, really. 984 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,600 Knee-ing, but not kicking. 985 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:31,880 I don't think kicking is the most efficient way to take down an opponent though. 986 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,640 Unless you're standing and you kick them in the leg. 987 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,440 Yeah, or like some of those crazy karate people who can do the roundhouse and clock you in 988 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:46,680 the jaw and then it's lights out, you know, but you have to be highly skilled to do that. 989 00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,440 And you have to be, I guess, an opponent who's not ready for it. 990 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,700 Yeah, exactly. 991 00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:58,880 And so I guess like, not to defend myself intellectually, because that's the only way 992 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:05,200 I know how, but after Devin and I kind of talked about this, I looked it up and there's 993 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:11,160 actually a book written by a professor who had the kind of the same feelings where he 994 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:18,440 was kind of like, hey, I'm educated and I've never had the occasion or necessity to fight. 995 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:23,880 And what he did is he went and joined MMA, the mixed martial arts, you know, the octagon 996 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,920 ring or whatever. 997 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,560 And he wrote this whole book about kind of like how that affected him. 998 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,740 And I haven't read it yet, but I did procure it. 999 00:54:33,740 --> 00:54:36,520 So I will be reading it at some point. 1000 00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,560 But apparently it's not out of the realm of educated people who have never been in fights 1001 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,040 to kind of have that kind of evolutionary desire almost. 1002 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,600 And maybe it's not even evolutionary anymore. 1003 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,680 Maybe it's just societal pressure. 1004 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:56,160 Or I don't know what it could be, you know, but I'm very curious to hear like a professor 1005 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,400 or something, you know, because like, I don't want to just go get into like a scrap or like 1006 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,160 a fight or like turn into West Side Story or some stuff like that. 1007 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:08,380 But, you know, the singing and snapping, I don't know, I guess if I have to do that before 1008 00:55:08,380 --> 00:55:10,320 we fight, that might be okay. 1009 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,400 But that'd be more embarrassing than anything else. 1010 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:14,400 I think. 1011 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,920 Well, you can just go and drink at rural bars and wait because there's always guys that 1012 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,520 want to fight at rural bars. 1013 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:22,520 Okay. 1014 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,320 So you're saying I should wear a Biden shirt and just go and drink at a rural bar. 1015 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,280 Oh, not a Biden shirt, a fuck Trump shirt. 1016 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,280 Oh, yep. 1017 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,320 It's on the Adonkey Kong. 1018 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,000 Isn't a Kamala Harris shirt the same thing though? 1019 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:43,240 I've never seen such a thing, but sure. 1020 00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:47,800 I've seen the fuck Trump shirts for sure. 1021 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:48,800 Okay. 1022 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:49,800 But. 1023 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:55,880 So yeah, I mean, there is definitely, there is a definite population of people who enjoy 1024 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,120 fighting and they're looking for it. 1025 00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:59,120 Oh, yes. 1026 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:05,440 And I don't know if that is just a sort of the alcohol is doing, you know, doing the 1027 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:10,400 talking or if you like, they've got something to prove or they're just. 1028 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,200 It's a subculture of guys that love to just fight. 1029 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:20,760 Well, I suppose you could say like, well, evolutionarily, they're primed to fight, or 1030 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:25,320 you could say they've had a bad childhood or you could say they have mean parents or 1031 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,920 you could say, I mean, you could say any number of things. 1032 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:34,960 But I'm not looking to change my entire personality to be one that wants to fight. 1033 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,880 It's just one of those things where I've never been in a fight, but it's different because 1034 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,320 like I've never been in a plane crash and I have no evolutionary desire to be in a plane 1035 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,920 crash, you know, so. 1036 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:45,920 Come paddle fishing. 1037 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:50,120 I can guarantee you if you want to fight, you can have one. 1038 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,880 Am I fighting the fish or what? 1039 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,080 Cause like fish freak me out man. 1040 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,040 It's a nightly brawl for sure. 1041 00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:58,720 Oh, okay. 1042 00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:00,560 Every night there's always a brawl. 1043 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,720 Well, I don't think that you'd really want to get entangled with one of those guys that 1044 00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:11,840 really, really like to fight and have a lot of experience fighting. 1045 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:12,840 You probably don't. 1046 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:13,840 Can you just like. 1047 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,920 And that's the thing, like I don't even, I don't even really want to be in a fight because 1048 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,160 like, as soon as I'm like, Hey, I really want to get in a fight. 1049 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,680 And it's like, well, what about my teeth? 1050 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,000 Or what about my nose? 1051 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,000 Or what about my eyes? 1052 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:28,160 Or what about, you know, all of the things I need to live and to see and experience life? 1053 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,000 Like I don't really want to be in a fight, but like, there's this weird thing. 1054 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,200 Or it's like, I've never been in one. 1055 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,200 Yeah. 1056 00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:41,960 And like evolution is kind of telling me like, you know, so I don't, I mean, I don't think 1057 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,440 that you're alone. 1058 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,440 Yeah. 1059 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:53,920 And I, maybe, maybe our next business venture is going to be to develop some sort of app 1060 00:57:53,920 --> 00:58:00,520 where it's a social media sort of situation where, okay, we try to find another person 1061 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:05,600 in the same frame of mind as you are, who's also never been in a fight. 1062 00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:06,600 Yeah. 1063 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:07,600 And we could get Sock-Em-Boppers. 1064 00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:08,600 You guys remember those? 1065 00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:09,600 Yes. 1066 00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:10,600 Like they discontinued them. 1067 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,880 They were on the market for like six months, but they were great. 1068 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:15,920 Yeah. 1069 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:16,920 So okay. 1070 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,160 Who is your perfect fighting mate? 1071 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,200 Y'all have both never been in a fight before. 1072 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:30,720 Only some 12 year old female, you know, like same strength for me anyway. 1073 00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,240 I don't think Mike is down with this. 1074 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,120 He's not really down with the fighting. 1075 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:41,520 I want to get into a fight with somebody who does not have a knife or a gun. 1076 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,720 And I want to have one. 1077 00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:44,720 But I want to have one. 1078 00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:45,720 And I want to have one. 1079 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,200 But you want to have one. 1080 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,200 Okay. 1081 00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,960 I just want to have one at the ready, just in case. 1082 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:56,520 Mike's known me a long time and when have I ever been at your place without mace or 1083 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,480 a long knife or both? 1084 00:58:58,480 --> 00:58:59,480 Yeah. 1085 00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,280 Or a condom and a bunch of lube. 1086 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,520 Like, you know, it's one of the four. 1087 00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,520 It's going to be fucking or fighting? 1088 00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:06,520 Fucking or fighting? 1089 00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:07,520 What's it going to be tonight? 1090 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:08,520 Something with an F. 1091 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,720 Well, I'm going to fight you until I can fuck you. 1092 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:12,720 That's the thing. 1093 00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:13,720 Could be falafels. 1094 00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:14,720 Could be falafels too. 1095 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:15,720 We don't know. 1096 00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:16,720 Oh. 1097 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:21,240 Fajitas. 1098 00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:25,480 There's always a big thing where it's like, I'm going to get naked before I fight. 1099 00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,440 I mean, it's really the best way to avoid a fight. 1100 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,560 It might be a good way to avoid a fight. 1101 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:32,560 Yeah. 1102 00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,480 I only fight in the nude, like completely nude. 1103 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:39,080 So if you want to come at me with my dick out, then maybe you got to reevaluate your 1104 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:44,880 sexual preferences, which is probably a good diss for people who like to fight. 1105 00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,320 Because they're probably like the uber ego male type. 1106 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,680 They have no sexual masculinity. 1107 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:52,680 Yes. 1108 00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:53,680 Small member. 1109 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:58,640 Well, you know, they're raising a child that's not theirs. 1110 00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,640 Just put it that way. 1111 01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,760 There you go. 1112 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,640 Indeed. 1113 01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,760 So I think the disclaimer at the end here, if you've listened to this entire podcast, 1114 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:16,600 this episode, we do not condone fighting and fighting is bad. 1115 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:23,280 There might be some kind of innate drive within each of us that wants to fight. 1116 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:30,680 But you know, I've gotten a lot of satisfaction in my life of not having to get to that point 1117 01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:40,520 and to either like diffuse or antagonize a situation with words and logic and brain power 1118 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,480 and kind of have that kind of control over it. 1119 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,880 So I mean, there is some satisfaction there. 1120 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:52,660 It's not the primal satisfaction, you know, from the evolutionary standpoint, but it's 1121 01:00:52,660 --> 01:00:58,840 certainly a lot better to not have to get into a fight because if you get into a fight, 1122 01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:04,260 not only is there all the physical stuff, but then after the fight is done, you've got 1123 01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:07,020 all of the legal stuff, right? 1124 01:01:07,020 --> 01:01:11,440 Like the person, one of the two, whoever's been involved in the fight could choose to 1125 01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:17,280 charge the other one with assault or battery or any number of things, you know, and you 1126 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,840 just don't know how deep their daddy's pocketbook is. 1127 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,800 You know, so there's just a whole lot of things to dissuade people from fighting and fighting 1128 01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,960 isn't really the answer. 1129 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,800 Fighting is just a weird thing, right? 1130 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,880 Like it's just like, I know, like I don't want to be in a fight and I don't want to 1131 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:40,400 be the guy that gets into a fight, but sometimes fights happen. 1132 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,720 So it'd be nice to know before going into a fight that I can handle myself in a fight. 1133 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:45,720 I don't know. 1134 01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:49,440 It's like a weird, you know, weird thing, but yeah. 1135 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:53,160 You know, like Mike said, just get on top and top them till they tap out. 1136 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,520 So that's what you said, right? 1137 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:56,520 Top them till they tap out. 1138 01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,720 Top them till they tap out. 1139 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,360 What if they're a power bottom though? 1140 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:06,680 Well, you know, that's where the lube and the condom comes in. 1141 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:12,860 So long as somebody taps out, I guess it's okay. 1142 01:02:12,860 --> 01:02:16,240 So I don't think I'd make it in prison. 1143 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,000 I mean, if you go to prison, you have to fight. 1144 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,000 I mean, that's pretty much a given, right? 1145 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,360 No, not if you're the supply guy. 1146 01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,560 If you can get them cigarettes and stuff, right? 1147 01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,960 But it takes a while to get to that point, I feel like. 1148 01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:35,360 I mean, I kind of like watching those shows, those like locked up abroad and locked up 1149 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:36,360 ... 1150 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:37,360 Can you watch, what is it, 90 Days In? 1151 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:38,960 Did you watch that one? 1152 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,960 They apparently take real people and put them in prison for 90 days. 1153 01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:42,960 So I did watch... 1154 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:43,960 They're 60 days in? 1155 01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:44,960 I did watch... 1156 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,120 I only watched the first season and it was like super lame kind of. 1157 01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:54,600 Yeah, I thought, to be honest, I didn't know if I really bought into it. 1158 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,520 You know, that it was actually real. 1159 01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:02,280 Because apparently the prison guards didn't know that they were there for a TV show, but 1160 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,760 the warden did or something, like the head honcho did. 1161 01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:05,760 So... 1162 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,760 Well, and they weren't... I mean, I don't remember seeing any physical altercations 1163 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:10,760 in it. 1164 01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:11,760 They got into some fights in the first... 1165 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:12,760 Did they? 1166 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:13,760 Okay. 1167 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:14,760 Maybe I just watched it. 1168 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,040 But then it's kind of the thing where it's like you read some of the stuff about those 1169 01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,360 reality shows and it's like everything's staged. 1170 01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,600 You know, or the crew, because the crew's there, right? 1171 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,400 They set up extra cameras in the... 1172 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:25,400 Right. 1173 01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:30,720 And I can't remember what the place is called, like the wing that they're in, or you know. 1174 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,640 So it's not like people are unaware of what's going on. 1175 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,760 I mean like the last... Okay, it wasn't this show. 1176 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,080 It was another... It was a locked up show. 1177 01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:47,320 And they were just discussing how somebody knew... It's like you got a target on your 1178 01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,120 back instantly. 1179 01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:55,320 And so it's like you need to establish... It's that raw pecking order. 1180 01:03:55,320 --> 01:04:00,400 And so unless you're in a gang, you're going to have to fight. 1181 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,360 At least at first. 1182 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,640 And the 90 days in or whatever, the one guy, he got in there and he was thinking the whole 1183 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,000 thing was a huge joke. 1184 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:12,760 And he was like, hey, do we get ESPN on the TV in the break room or whatever, in the rec 1185 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,280 room? 1186 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,480 And you could tell all the other inmates didn't like it, but I don't think he was in maximum 1187 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:18,480 security. 1188 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,200 So you're not going to get the same kind of like... Yeah, people there on drug charges. 1189 01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:23,200 Right. 1190 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:24,200 Right. 1191 01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:25,640 They're in there. 1192 01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:31,720 And you got some gang activity, but I think if you're not in the full on maximum security, 1193 01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:36,760 you're not getting the murderers and the gang violence people. 1194 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:37,760 I don't think. 1195 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:38,760 I don't know. 1196 01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:39,760 I've not been to prison. 1197 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:40,760 That's probably true. 1198 01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:41,760 My brother's a prison guard. 1199 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:50,760 The white... But I don't know a whole lot about... My brother is a prison guard. 1200 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:51,760 Okay. 1201 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:52,760 Yeah. 1202 01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,760 I don't know if he's going to be in prison. 1203 01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:55,760 No. 1204 01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:59,440 My dad retired from the prison. 1205 01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:04,120 He started out at guard and retired as like a senior case manager or something. 1206 01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:09,280 I remember one night he got home and he had to have a patch over his eye because he had 1207 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:14,480 to break up a fight between inmates where they tried to attack a fellow coworker or 1208 01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,360 something and he was trying to break it up. 1209 01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,320 And then he was on riot squad for a while too, but he was in maximum security. 1210 01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:22,800 He was... I mean, that's where he worked. 1211 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,840 He was at the maximum security one. 1212 01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:32,840 So I think probably the level of security the prison is kind of dictates what sort of 1213 01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,160 inmate population you have. 1214 01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:40,720 So it probably gets worse the more severe the security level is, I would imagine. 1215 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:46,240 If I got sent to prison, I would immediately become a transgendered woman for sure. 1216 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:47,240 You would have to. 1217 01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:48,240 A non-transitioning transgender woman. 1218 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,280 A non-transitioning transgender woman. 1219 01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:53,720 Yeah. 1220 01:05:53,720 --> 01:06:01,440 Respect my rights. 1221 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,320 So I feel like Mike's been done for a little bit with his cigar. 1222 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,720 I have been done for a little bit, yeah. 1223 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:07,720 But that's okay. 1224 01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,200 I'm just about done with mine. 1225 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,400 Deb's got a little bit left. 1226 01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:19,280 But do you want to give any final thoughts on your cigar there, Deb? 1227 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:24,120 Being that it's the first cigar that I've smoked in about 20 years or so, I would say 1228 01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:25,880 that I enjoyed the experience. 1229 01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:33,760 I don't have a lot to compare it to, but I do enjoy the peppery taste to it. 1230 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,880 It is a smooth cigar. 1231 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:37,880 I'm liking it. 1232 01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,640 I'll smoke another cigar after this. 1233 01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:41,680 So thanks, fellas. 1234 01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,000 Yeah. 1235 01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:47,160 And for any of our listeners, this isn't really a cigar that you would give to somebody who 1236 01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,240 hasn't smoked in a while or has never smoked a cigar. 1237 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,000 This isn't really like your starter cigar. 1238 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,120 But Deb has smoked previously. 1239 01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:02,800 And just from talking to him, I figured he might be okay with this one. 1240 01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,640 So I'm glad to hear that you liked it. 1241 01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,480 I liked this one. 1242 01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,640 The second one that I smoked of this brand better than the first one. 1243 01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,720 I wasn't too impressed with the first one. 1244 01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:17,680 But when we're on the podcast here, I tend to give a little more thought to the actual 1245 01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:18,680 cigar. 1246 01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:19,680 Right? 1247 01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:24,800 So I think more about it and I try and taste more of it so that I can try and talk not 1248 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:29,840 like a complete person who doesn't know what he's talking about, which I am most of the 1249 01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,880 time. 1250 01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,280 But I guess for me, I would say that it's a good cigar. 1251 01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,640 I think it's a fairly cheap cigar. 1252 01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,760 So it's not a bad for the price. 1253 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,200 It's a good experience. 1254 01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:51,120 It's not on my top list of like greatest cigars ever or even preferred cigars. 1255 01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:54,440 But if somebody was like, hey, do you want to smoke some Buffalo Traces? 1256 01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,440 Yeah, why not? 1257 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,480 Yeah, it was good. 1258 01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,640 It was dark. 1259 01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:02,640 Even throughout peppery. 1260 01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:03,640 A little sweet. 1261 01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,280 Yeah, which is something to be said. 1262 01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:07,280 Yeah. 1263 01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:08,880 It's good enough. 1264 01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,400 It's not terrible. 1265 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:11,400 It's a promo cigar. 1266 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:17,540 So yeah, especially if you consider it against like this is basically, I mean, it's not the 1267 01:08:17,540 --> 01:08:21,520 whiskey people doing it, but they commissioned this cigar basically. 1268 01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:22,520 Right. 1269 01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:26,320 So it's, you know, it's a tie in with their whiskey brand. 1270 01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:30,040 And it's a lot better than a lot of other tie ins, I'm sure, you know, or other promotional 1271 01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,040 things. 1272 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:32,840 Like this was actually a good cigar. 1273 01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,000 Yeah, it wasn't bad. 1274 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,840 Well, I appreciate the opportunity. 1275 01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,600 Yeah, thanks for being on the show, Dev. 1276 01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:43,600 Super nice to meet you, Mike. 1277 01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,600 It's nice to talk to you. 1278 01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,400 Hopefully we don't get into a fistfight when we meet in person. 1279 01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:54,040 And if we do, hopefully the three of us are on the same side. 1280 01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:55,040 Yes. 1281 01:08:55,040 --> 01:09:00,280 Because then you can top them, Mike, and then Dev and I will high five behind you. 1282 01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:01,280 Right. 1283 01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,800 Well, you know, I don't know what Dev looks like, but I'm guessing if we were to go out 1284 01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,480 in public, nobody would try to start a fight with the three of us. 1285 01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:14,320 So no, even even with your pink bowling bag, nobody even especially with the pink bowling 1286 01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:18,580 bag that freaks people out. 1287 01:09:18,580 --> 01:09:20,320 He's very comfortable with his sexuality. 1288 01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:21,320 Yes. 1289 01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,040 I know if you're top a stranger in a bar fight. 1290 01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:25,040 Yes. 1291 01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,320 The fat white guy with a beard and long hair and a pink bag. 1292 01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:30,960 Nobody fucks with that guy. 1293 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,640 Smoking a cigar, cigar hanging out of his mouth. 1294 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,400 Pink bag. 1295 01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:36,400 Whiskey in hand. 1296 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:37,400 Yup. 1297 01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:41,400 Come at me, fuckers. 1298 01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:43,400 So I would agree. 1299 01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,400 I don't want to fight against you. 1300 01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,400 Fighting is bad. 1301 01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:49,400 Peace and love. 1302 01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:55,120 Cigars and whiskey and bromances all around. 1303 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,920 Or them manses, however you feel. 1304 01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:58,920 Yes. 1305 01:09:58,920 --> 01:09:59,920 All right. 1306 01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:02,800 Well, I think that's about it for the show. 1307 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:03,800 All right. 1308 01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:04,800 Sounds good. 1309 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:32,800 Thanks again, Dav, and we'll catch you next week.