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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Nate.

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And I am Mike.

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What are we smoking today, Nate?

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Alright, this is one I have trouble pronouncing, but you've been warned.

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It's a Macanudo in Spirado, and it's the red label version.

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I believe there's a black label version as well.

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Yes, there is.

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But this is the red label version.

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It's a box press.

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It is less girthy than the Rocky Battelle 1990 that we smoked the previous episode.

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And it's a little shorter.

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I'd say what, it's probably about six inches.

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It is a Rabusto, a traditional Rabusto size.

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Yes, should be five inches.

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Okay.

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Whether it actually is, it'd be four and a half, five and a half.

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It's kind of like a two by four.

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Is it really two by four?

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No.

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It is originally before they shave them.

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So there's a national number.

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Well, yeah, you got to finish it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you can get unfinished two by fours at truly R2 by four.

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This one lit really easy, which I'm excited about.

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This one lit very easy.

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Yeah, very easy.

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Which is not a bad thing.

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Oh no, not a bad thing at all.

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It's a smaller size than what we normally or usually smoke.

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Not by much, but just by a little bit.

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So that could be it, or it just could be a little drier.

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Not overly dry, of course, but less oily maybe.

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Yes, potentially.

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Mine lit a little unevenly.

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Oh, mine lit.

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Never once mine lit really even.

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A lot of times I have kind of uneven.

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Mine lit a little uneven.

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It tastes, trying to place it.

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I don't know if it's, I don't think it's quite oaky.

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It's something a little different, like a little lighter than like an oak taste.

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It's a medium bodyed cigar.

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And it's not overpowering by any means.

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No, it's got a distinct taste though.

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I think.

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Just initially, the first couple of puffs.

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I enjoy the taste.

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I'm not like a wine kind of sewer or anything.

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So I couldn't tell you like, oh yeah, that's whatever.

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I can't even think of anything that you would taste.

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But it is a little distinctive of taste.

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It's a lighter taste, like Mike was saying.

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It's not really dark or anything.

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It's quite enjoyable so far.

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You know, two or three puffs in.

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Do you know my favorite joke that I've been telling people recently?

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And by people I mean mostly women.

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And I think, oh, I told this when I was with you and Sarah.

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Okay.

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But I'll go and I'll look at them very seriously and I'll say, hey, do you know mansplaining

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is short for man explaining?

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And I've been getting some really good reactions from that.

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Really good.

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So I was just thinking about that.

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I'm here trying to like, bumble my way through like what this cigar tastes like and I'm coming

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up short and have no fucking idea.

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So sorry listener, but suffice it to say, I like this so far.

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It is good.

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I like the box press too.

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I'm a sucker for some reason.

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And I keep talking about the hex press and by God we're going to do it.

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On season one of our show we're going to do this hex press.

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Which means before winter.

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Not tonight.

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Yeah, before winter.

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Before winter.

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We were talking about that pre-episode is, you know, there's going to come a time here

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in Minnesota where Nate will not be sitting outside freezing his ass off trying to smoke

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a cigar because we get below zero quite frequently.

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I set my shop up to where I have a ashtray and stuff out there and I'll smoke a cigar

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outside.

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Oh, nice.

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In the extreme cold.

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But in the, you know, in the shop it doesn't get as cold as it is outside.

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Yeah, and I've got to do some work in my garage and I was just telling Mike I don't think

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that's going to get done before the snow flies.

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Because then I could, then I could go out there and smoke a cigar and we could continue

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the podcast over winter.

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And I think we'll be able to, we'll be able to do it.

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We'll pre-record a lot of stuff.

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And I can always go visit Mike because he's got a heated patio we can smoke on.

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The do all room.

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Yes.

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So speaking about doing it all, Mike and I consumed a lot of media recently.

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Mike even got to meet one of one of my best friends.

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Yes.

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The one that I typically watch shitty movies with.

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And so there's quite a few bits of media that Mike and I have consumed.

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I will tell everyone what those media's mediums, media objects were.

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And then Mike will get to choose which we talk about first.

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So outside of anything we talked about on the podcast here, Mike and myself decided

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to reread Animal Farm.

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And it comes in at a whopping like 90 pages.

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So it takes about an hour to read the whole thing.

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So we both have reread Animal Farm.

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We talked about on the podcast, we talked about watching the new Predator movie, which

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is called Prey.

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And so after Mike and myself smoked some cigars at his place, we recorded an episode, then

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we stopped the recording.

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And what did we do to Kila's cigar?

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And it's just as great as it was the first one we ever did.

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And then we went over to my buddy Luke's house and he doesn't listen to this podcast, but

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he didn't shout out to Luke.

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But he's the guy that I always watch shitty movies with.

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We watch a lot of like really great movies too, but usually they're more independent,

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less known by popular society.

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We watched Prey and then we followed it up with Sharks of the Corn, the cinematic masterpiece

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which Mike, I believe, said he liked better than Prey.

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Yes I did.

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And then we watched some...

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Lama Gettin.

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We watched a little bit of Lama Gettin.

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Yep, not a lot.

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We just watched a little bit.

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And then we watched the Oats Studios, which is the...

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I'm struggling with the name right now, but he did District 9 in Elysium.

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But we watched the first intro episode to his little like...

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How was it?

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Hulu?

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Or some exclusive studio thing.

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Netflix.

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Oh, was it really?

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It was one of those.

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I think I didn't watch the whole thing.

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I left.

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Yeah, yeah, you had to leave.

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I watched part of it.

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I watched the intro and it was interesting.

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Very great.

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Yeah, and it stars Sigourney Weaver.

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Neil Blowcamp.

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That's the guy.

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All right, so Mike, do you want to talk about Prey, Sharks of the Corn, or Animal Farm first?

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We should do Animal Farm last because that's the most serious one.

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And that's serious, almost depressing to read it now as an adult.

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And I read it way back when I was a junior in high school, I think.

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That was the last time I read it too, sometime in high school.

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And I used to have a copy and I didn't, so I had to go buy one.

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I had to.

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I was forced.

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I was forced to go buy a book.

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If you haven't been forced to buy a book recently, go buy one.

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Don't care what it is, just go buy one.

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I had to buy several books last weekend.

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Preferably not from Barnes & Noble.

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Go to your local bookseller if you have one.

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Most of you will.

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So we'll talk about Animal Farm last.

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And I think we should probably go with the cinematic masterpiece that is Sharks of the

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Then we'll go into Prey and then we'll do Animal Farm.

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And Mike, not being a film person, buy-in-large.

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Like you've seen film, you've seen TV, you've seen modern cinema.

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You know what's up with that, as most casual viewers do.

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I found this is a total aside to the content, but I did find the running commentary by two

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people who went to film school to be very interesting and informative.

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So my buddy Luke and I both went to film school.

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I have a film degree and have a couple web series and short films under my belt.

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And they're out there.

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This is not really a cross-promotional, self-promoting kind of thing, but it is Mike and Mike podcast.

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So we can talk about what we want.

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But that's kind of like Luke and Mike thing is when we're watching a shitty movie or if

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we're watching a movie that everybody thinks is good.

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We even had running commentary and you chimed in and you had really good points in Prey.

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And we'll get to that when we talk about Prey.

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But even if it's a good, supposed to be a multi-million dollar blockbuster and it's shitty

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because the script or the angles or whatever, we'll talk about it.

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We'll be like, oh my God.

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What's this?

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What's going on?

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That's kind of our thing is you get a couple drinks in, you throw on a shitty movie after

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you watch what should be the better movie, and then you just kind of trash it.

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A lot of people do this, Cinema Sins or Mr. Science Theater.

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They do the similar thing.

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We're not trying to emulate them.

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It's just we're two film school guys that we really enjoy watching movies because they're

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fun.

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with there are multiple different types of shitty movies.

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So there's a shitty movie that is trying way too hard and they're taking themselves way

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too seriously.

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So it's not really enjoyable, but you can kind of like laugh at them, right?

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So you could be like laughing at them.

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Not to diminish their effort that they put into it, but if you take it too seriously,

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you're not really creating entertainment.

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You're not really creating a movie that's going to resonate because you're trying too

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hard.

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There's a shitty movie that understands that they're a shitty movie and they're just doing

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it for fun.

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And those ones you can really enjoy because they'll kind of, they'll try and throw you

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for a loop knowing that you're a shitty movie watcher, but they know they're making shitty

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movie.

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So they're going to go and have fun with it and they're going to take it like places

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you never even thought it could go.

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And those are really fun.

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And then there's, I don't know, there's kind of like shitty movies where it's like, it's

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like a shoe string budget, but they really came together on the story and making their

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circumstances work.

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So there's a wide gamut there.

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So I'm not telling you to go out and watch like all the shitty movies out there, but

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they can be enjoyable if you know, if you kind of just expect going into it.

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Sure.

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One of my favorite movies of all time is Idiocracy.

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And I would consider that to be a shitty movie.

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And it's not for everybody.

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It's not for everybody.

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It's hate it.

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It's trash.

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And I love it.

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It's wonderful.

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And it is trash, but I too think it's wonderful.

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And it was a couple of years ago, the creators of that came out and said, guys, guys, this

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was not meant to be a roadmap for where our country is going.

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So, so I don't know how much warning we gave you, Mike, about sharks of the corn.

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I mean, the name said it all.

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That's.

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I did not know that it was going to be about, but I gather from the.

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It was going to be, you know, yeah.

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And I like the opening.

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The opening was, uh, was great.

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Uh, you know, you can't go wrong with the first 10 minutes.

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It's like that dialogue.

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Drinking, uh, and then blood.

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I'm like, all right.

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And like a plastic shark going through the cornfield.

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And that was hilarious.

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Oh my God.

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You can see the guys holding the plastic.

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Of course you could.

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I mean, they're not, yeah.

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So, uh, it was great.

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Uh, very entertaining to watch.

252
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It opens on a couple, I guess, or I bet in like a one night stand thing.

253
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I don't know.

254
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But they're like sitting in the cornfield.

255
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They were, they were coming home or they were after a county fair.

256
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Oh, drinking.

257
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Yeah.

258
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On the edge of a cornfield.

259
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He was drinking because he had like the whole glass bottle, like the 1.75 of vodka or something.

260
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I was, uh, what the hell was it?

261
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It was new Amsterdam vodka.

262
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Yeah.

263
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So that was the whole film budget.

264
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That's what they, that's what they paid for.

265
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It was the bottle.

266
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They didn't even take the label off.

267
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No, but they always kept it away from the camera.

268
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So you couldn't, yeah, for sure.

269
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Yeah.

270
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For sure.

271
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For sure.

272
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No.

273
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Well, yeah.

274
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I could tell what it was because I used to drink new Amsterdam vodka when I was in

275
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college.

276
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But, uh, I don't think that man ever left the field.

277
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He always was there with the bottle.

278
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Like, I don't think, I don't think he ever left.

279
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He did not leave.

280
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That was part of the story.

281
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He, uh, sat down on a, uh, oh God.

282
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Fuck.

283
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I forgot that.

284
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Like a, like a scarecrow guy that had a penis made out of a zucchini for some reason.

285
00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:56,640
No, it was a corn.

286
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It was a corn cob.

287
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Was it a corn cob?

288
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Oh, it was a corn cob.

289
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Yeah, it was.

290
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Yeah, yeah.

291
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It was sharks in the corn, not sharks in the zucchini.

292
00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:04,280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

293
00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,800
That was underneath a real life deer hunting stand in the middle of a field.

294
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Yes.

295
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So they obviously went to.

296
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But you didn't see the deer stand until like five cuts later.

297
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And then we were all like, should that, that should have been the establishing shot.

298
00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:25,040
Like you should have told us that stand was there before, but they didn't, you know.

299
00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,040
Right.

300
00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:30,040
Yeah, they were playing, uh, strip right around the field or some.

301
00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,240
One of my favorite games.

302
00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,240
Yeah.

303
00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,800
It was like literally strip, strip, strip in the field or something.

304
00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:36,800
Yeah.

305
00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,320
And of course this woman.

306
00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:45,120
Who was, you guys described her as she's a single mom with three kids.

307
00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:50,200
Yeah, it is a very average looking rural ish.

308
00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:51,200
Yeah.

309
00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:52,680
A very white woman.

310
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Yeah.

311
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Tractive enough.

312
00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:55,680
Yeah.

313
00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:56,680
It's all good.

314
00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:57,680
Yeah.

315
00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:58,680
It was, it was very entertaining.

316
00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,720
Uh, got murdered to death by a.

317
00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:01,720
Yeah.

318
00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,680
The sharks only randomly showed up.

319
00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:08,160
It wasn't really like a constant threat, but every once in a while, the shark would

320
00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,080
show up and kill somebody.

321
00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,080
Right.

322
00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,080
Yeah.

323
00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,360
And the story went on to be like the serial killer who wanted, who was obsessed with

324
00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,360
sharks and.

325
00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:17,360
Yeah, there was.

326
00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:18,360
Oh yeah.

327
00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,120
And he had a weird like a shark fetish and like the cops went to question him and he

328
00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,520
was like watching like the nature channel shark show.

329
00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,920
Well, he was dealing with prostitutes and drug dealers and.

330
00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:30,920
Yeah.

331
00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,640
And he was like, do you want me to bite you or something like that?

332
00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:34,640
Yeah.

333
00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:35,640
Oh yeah.

334
00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:36,640
It was, it was great.

335
00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:41,920
And they obviously they got permission from this, clearly a rural motel.

336
00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,920
You know, yeah.

337
00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:44,920
It was wonderful.

338
00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,800
It was like, they clearly, they shot it all in like rural wherever the fuck.

339
00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:49,800
Yeah.

340
00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:50,800
Idaho.

341
00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,040
No, it was at the movie that had Idaho plates or was it Lama again?

342
00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,040
Because one of them had a lot had.

343
00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,160
Well, so both plates and the other one had Ohio plates or something.

344
00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:04,440
So the only reason we found out about sharks of the corn was because it's made by the same

345
00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:11,040
group of people that did Lama, get Lama, get and I was looking up to see if they'd done

346
00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,440
anything else.

347
00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,640
And sure enough, sharks of the corn was their next movie.

348
00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:16,640
Sure.

349
00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:17,640
Sure.

350
00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:18,640
Okay.

351
00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:23,560
But it's not, you know, getting permission to shoot in a hotel is really easy because

352
00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,400
I got permission in your hometown to shoot in a hotel there for one of my folks.

353
00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,800
Oh, there we go.

354
00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,760
So usually the smaller towns, the hotel is just happy to have somebody there.

355
00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:34,760
Yeah.

356
00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,760
Even if you're not paying, like they don't care.

357
00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,960
Like, hey, yeah, we got an open room.

358
00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:39,960
Go film.

359
00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:40,960
Yeah.

360
00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:41,960
No problem.

361
00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,800
So anyway, and then there was like a magical crystal skull.

362
00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:49,560
It's mainly as involved and, you know, some sci-fi shit and, you know, incompetent police.

363
00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:50,560
Yeah.

364
00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,440
There are some really weird like police scenes.

365
00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:57,120
I don't know how the police wronged these filmmakers, but they sure did somewhere.

366
00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:02,560
And a special forces guy that clearly had no makeup on, like at all.

367
00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,040
Or special forces training.

368
00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,040
No, no.

369
00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,560
He had razor bumps from shaving his head.

370
00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:09,560
Like you can see.

371
00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:10,560
Yeah.

372
00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,560
The shave his head for the movie.

373
00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:13,560
Yeah.

374
00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,440
They were like, hey, bro, we want you to be bald for this.

375
00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:16,440
That'd be so badass.

376
00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:17,840
And he's like, oh, I've never done that before.

377
00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:18,840
But sure.

378
00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:19,840
Yep.

379
00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:20,840
Yep.

380
00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:21,840
It's exactly it.

381
00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,800
And, you know, first time he ever had the skin had a look.

382
00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:25,800
Yeah.

383
00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,480
And then there was all like their personal cars.

384
00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,240
You can see it was their personal cars.

385
00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,160
And then there was that overweight guy that was like repeating everything the other guy

386
00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,040
would say, like the bad guy.

387
00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,040
Yes.

388
00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:42,680
And it was like bad like mafiosos who had terrible.

389
00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:48,160
But not really because they were so like, they were like the comedic relief almost.

390
00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:53,120
I mean, it's tough to say because you have a plastic shark being held by like the guy

391
00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:55,840
off camera going through the cornfield.

392
00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,480
So it's tough to say like the mafiosos were the comedic relief, but they kind of actually

393
00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:01,480
were.

394
00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:02,480
Yeah.

395
00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:08,360
And they were trying to act tough and it was like clearly the some dad uncle of a friend

396
00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:09,360
or whatever.

397
00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:10,360
Yeah.

398
00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:11,360
Yeah.

399
00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:12,360
They were like just guys.

400
00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:19,200
But the point of the matter is, as shitty as the movie was, they were just having fun.

401
00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,400
And it was fun to watch.

402
00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,160
And anytime you can watch a shitty movie and they're going to like, you know, I mean, this

403
00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,760
is going to sound a little crass to say, but you don't watch shitty movies really for the

404
00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:31,760
storyline.

405
00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,560
You watch it for like the really goofy stuff and for tits.

406
00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,880
So they, they definitely delivered on both.

407
00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:37,880
Yes.

408
00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:38,880
And they had tits and below.

409
00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:39,880
Yes.

410
00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:46,280
And they were, you know, like normal titties and I'm a big fan of that.

411
00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:47,280
So.

412
00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:54,120
Well, to harken back to our free the nipple episode, Mike's just a fan of nipples.

413
00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:55,120
So yeah, doesn't matter.

414
00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:56,120
It doesn't matter.

415
00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:57,120
Yeah.

416
00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:01,280
They were just like, I can say it's always good to see not like the weird.

417
00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:02,280
Oh yeah.

418
00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,280
Like the scientific project.

419
00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,280
Yeah.

420
00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,280
Yeah.

421
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,280
Yeah.

422
00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,280
Yeah.

423
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,720
Where they actually use the, what is it, the calculus or whatever.

424
00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,720
You can calculate the area under the curve.

425
00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,640
Like we don't need the Fibronochi sequence or something.

426
00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:18,640
Yeah.

427
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:19,640
Yeah.

428
00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,200
It's a, but it was very entertaining.

429
00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,840
Just, just like popcorn and they, they, they fought the alien skull and like this weird

430
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:34,040
shrine and some guys like a mezzanine style barn that had like a dirt floor.

431
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,040
Yeah.

432
00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,520
Like a tractor shit.

433
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,720
And they had a gunfight there too, I thought.

434
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:41,720
They did.

435
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:42,720
Yeah.

436
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:43,720
They had a shoot out.

437
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:44,720
Yes.

438
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:51,000
And uh, variated with like a random assortment of pistols that and guns that they, I'm sure

439
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,720
that they just all owned.

440
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:53,720
Yes.

441
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,360
And uh, I like that sort of thing.

442
00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:58,360
Oh yeah.

443
00:19:58,360 --> 00:19:59,360
It was very entertaining.

444
00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:02,040
You don't have to take it too seriously.

445
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,440
And if the, if, and if you can tell the filmmakers and the cast and crew and everything, if

446
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,080
they're enjoying it and just having fun, like it's just fun.

447
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,080
Right.

448
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,080
Yeah.

449
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,360
Does it make sense that there's great white sharks swimming kind of around this cornfield?

450
00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:18,360
Absolutely not.

451
00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:21,280
Um, but it doesn't matter that they're having fun.

452
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,880
They wanted to tell the story for whatever reason and it's fun.

453
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:31,320
Um, so that kind of was, I mean, I don't know if it was like the, the biggest highlight.

454
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:37,040
Cause I really liked the Neil Blow camp, uh, Oats studio episode, but uh, it was definitely

455
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,360
one of the, one of the bigger up, up points of the, of the evening.

456
00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:44,560
I thought it was, I thought it was very, very good.

457
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:49,000
To start the evening, we started with the, what you would call like the, the main movie

458
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,800
or the, the major Hollywood production movie, which was prey.

459
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:59,240
And this is, I don't want to say the 15th, but you have predator, predator one, you know,

460
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,120
predator, predator two.

461
00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:04,960
And then there was, I think, uh, well you had the alien versus predator.

462
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,960
There was two alien versus predator movies.

463
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,560
And then there was like predator, predators, and then the predator.

464
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:16,400
And I'm not sure what order they came out in, uh, but the, the most recent one was,

465
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,040
uh, I didn't like it.

466
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,920
My buddy Luke really liked it, but they did the, uh, get to the choppers and it was a

467
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,640
parking lot full of like motorcycles.

468
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:29,760
So it was really kind of lame tie in and Arnold in it, that one, cause get to the choppers

469
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:30,760
or Arnold line.

470
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:31,760
Yeah.

471
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:32,760
But it didn't have Arnold.

472
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,720
Oh, well that's lame.

473
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:35,760
It was a super lame movie.

474
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,640
And then there was like a, they introduced like a predator dog that for whatever reason

475
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,880
looked just like the predators, but it was a dog.

476
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,960
And then one of the characters shot it in the head, but it lived, but it was retarded

477
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,960
then.

478
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:54,440
And that's not meant to be offensive, uh, other than the fact that, that the fact that

479
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:59,240
they made this, put this in the script and said, we're going to make the dog retarded

480
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,800
so that it's now friends with the humans, but we're going to keep this dog and it's

481
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,040
very clearly going to be retarded.

482
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:12,080
Like that's the dis like, I don't know how that cleared, uh, the writing room, right?

483
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,440
Like just, just kill the dog or make it friendly to humans, but don't like shoot it in the

484
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:17,760
head to the bottom.

485
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:22,640
Is it and then make it friendly and have it be like the comedic relief because you don't,

486
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:23,920
it's a, it's a predator film.

487
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,200
You don't need comedic relief.

488
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,800
Uh, but so now pray takes place in, I believe it was 1719.

489
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:30,800
Yes.

490
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,200
Something like that.

491
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,080
They actually put the date on, which I was really happy about.

492
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,080
They did.

493
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,080
Yeah.

494
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:44,400
Because it had the Comanche's and they were in, uh, the Rocky Mountain type area, uh,

495
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,600
which would have been fairly accurate to my understanding, more accurate than having them

496
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,200
on the Western Plains.

497
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,200
Yeah.

498
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:57,200
Uh, which the Comanche didn't move in, uh, to, to much later, uh, due to Westward expansion.

499
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,200
Yes.

500
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,200
Uh, which I believe I made a comment about at the time.

501
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,200
Uh, yeah.

502
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,320
And, uh, so basically the, uh, and this is, you know, if you haven't seen pray and you

503
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:11,960
really want to, and you don't want spoilers, um, just don't, don't turn us off, but pause

504
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,760
us and then go watch the movie and then come back and hit play again.

505
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:16,760
Um, sure.

506
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,840
But it could be like, the spoiler is going to be, uh, that it's not good, but anyway,

507
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,320
well, so here's, here's what I would say.

508
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,480
Here's what I would say, Mike is of all, and I've seen every predator movie.

509
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:30,480
Right.

510
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:37,600
Uh, did you mention that, uh, your friend Luke had like a miniature library of predator

511
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,640
novels that he, and alien novels.

512
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,680
And so I have read the predator novels that he recommended to me and the alien novels

513
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,360
that he recommended to me and they were fantastic.

514
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:52,480
And they give a lot of backstory, uh, to how the predators behave in the movies even.

515
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:58,440
So there's a whole lot of predator lore that's out there that actually works well with the

516
00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,440
movies.

517
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,400
And the same was true of like the Star Wars universe until Disney bought them and, and

518
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,840
decided to like retroactively like cancel all of those other Star Wars novels.

519
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,520
But, um, we're not talking about Star Wars in this, in this episode.

520
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:21,640
Um, but the predators, and even if you watch, you know, the original two, right, they're

521
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,960
very honorable.

522
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:29,400
They're formidable foes and they get off on hunting, but they're not about cheap tricks.

523
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,400
It's a win.

524
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,400
Right.

525
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,400
They want a fair fight.

526
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,160
They want a fair fight.

527
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:39,520
And uh, my, uh, you know, one of my, I have a few like complaints about the flick, but

528
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:46,480
I will say that Prey is my third favorite predator movie behind the original predator

529
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,920
and predator two.

530
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:57,280
So it's at least like, it's at least trending the series back into the good, good film realm.

531
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,240
I have only ever seen predator one predator two and now pray.

532
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,240
Okay.

533
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,800
And so that would make sense if this was your least favorite predator.

534
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:05,800
Yes.

535
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,880
Because compared to those two, it's the lesser of the three.

536
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,320
But if you watched any of the other predator stuff, I think there's five other movies.

537
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,800
There's the two alien versus predators and then, you know, three other predator movies.

538
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,520
I think you would be a lot more friendly towards this one.

539
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,680
Um, I'll say the cinematography and the score phenomenal, like really great.

540
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,800
The cinematography was really good.

541
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,800
Um, other than CGI.

542
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:39,080
Oh, they had the worst CGI animals that I've ever seen in a film.

543
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,440
Bad as sharks in the field.

544
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,480
Not it wasn't literally as bad, but we would consider the budget.

545
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,560
It was embarrassing.

546
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:52,000
But they would have been better off with a, uh, with like a stuffed grizzly bear and

547
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:57,600
having one of their cast or crew members like move it around just in front of the camera

548
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,480
and then crop out the hand holding it.

549
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,480
Right.

550
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,360
Like that would have been better than trying to make this fucking CGI bear.

551
00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:10,320
Um, and so there's a scene when they kind of first, it's not when they first reveal

552
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:15,960
the predator, uh, which is one of my biggest, one of my bigger complaints, not the biggest

553
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,200
complaint, but the bigger complaint is like right at the beginning, you see the predator

554
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,000
get dropped off and you can see him from behind and then he cloaks, right?

555
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:28,440
And, uh, and then you see like his cloaked form throughout the first, I don't know, half

556
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,440
hour, 45 minutes.

557
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,400
And when you first see him kind of like from the front, he's holding the bear over his

558
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,360
head and the bear's blood is kind of like dripping down and revealing him, which would

559
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:44,000
have been a, an amazing shot had we not seen the predator like five times previously.

560
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:49,080
Like if that was the first reveal of the predator, that's a great first reveal.

561
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,360
We've already seen him invisible.

562
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:52,360
You know what I mean?

563
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:53,880
Like you'd already seen him.

564
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:54,880
Right.

565
00:26:54,880 --> 00:27:00,120
So they kind of took all the, all the pomp and circumstance out of their first, you

566
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:03,080
know, quote unquote reveal of the predator.

567
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,080
Yes, they did.

568
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:12,240
Uh, it was really funny because, uh, Mike, this isn't meant as, uh, as an insult or anything.

569
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:17,000
This is, this isn't, this isn't the point of this, but Mike is kind of a self avowed,

570
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,960
like not film guy.

571
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:25,400
I would say that I am not a film enthusiast, at least when it comes to your level of film

572
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,880
and enthusiasm for sure.

573
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:27,880
Well, yeah.

574
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,880
So the first, I don't know, the first like hour and the beauty of this movie is like,

575
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,080
it's an hour and 40 minutes.

576
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,440
Like it's not a long movie.

577
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,920
Um, cause oftentimes in modern movies, they try and drag everything out like past a two

578
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:39,920
hour mark.

579
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,960
And it's like, it was, it was tidy.

580
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,280
It was, it was well paced for sure.

581
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,080
If you don't have that much to say, don't make it a two and a half hour movie.

582
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,200
Just make it the 90 minute movie that it needs to be.

583
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,320
Um, but it's funny cause like Luke and I were really kind of like, we weren't like super

584
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,120
getting into it cause the cinematography was great.

585
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,120
We had some, we had more predator knowledge than Mike had.

586
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:05,520
So we were kind of like bringing up some of that stuff.

587
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,880
But then there was one scene and it was hilarious cause it went on forever and Mike's like,

588
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,640
where the fuck is all this smoke coming from?

589
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,520
And uh, it was, it was funny and, and even after you left, Luke was like, man, that

590
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,680
was so amazing when Mike was like, you know, getting into the ripping on the movie.

591
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,600
Like where the fuck is all this fog coming from and all this smoke, you know, cause there's

592
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,880
a whole scene where it's supposed to be intense, but then it's like suddenly you're, you're

593
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,360
out on the planes or whatever.

594
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,360
And then suddenly there's like fog everywhere and you're like, where the fuck is all this

595
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,160
fog coming from?

596
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,160
Yep.

597
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,160
Oh yeah.

598
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:42,600
It's how I, and they had a, I'm going to rip on the movie now.

599
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,680
Because the main baddies was not actually the predator.

600
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,280
The main baddies were French traders who were beasts.

601
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,760
Uh, characters.

602
00:28:52,760 --> 00:29:00,520
They were caricatures of evil French traders, uh, which is all nonsense.

603
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,440
And it was like a party, a band of these French traders.

604
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,040
Well, so here's the funny thing about that is like the first time we saw the French

605
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,760
traders, there was like five of them.

606
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,760
But then they were like, okay.

607
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:12,760
Okay.

608
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,760
The rest of them come from.

609
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:14,760
Yeah.

610
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,920
They, they take care of the first five and then suddenly there's like a hundred more

611
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,320
French traders just randomly out of the wilderness.

612
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:28,720
So by the way, the amount of Comanche's versus the amount of French traders, the French traders

613
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,160
could have wiped those Comanche's off the base of the planet.

614
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,160
Oh yeah.

615
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,240
And somehow magically, cause they have guns, right?

616
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,240
Yeah.

617
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,360
They have modern, well modern for 17, whatever.

618
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,360
1719.

619
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,360
Yeah.

620
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,560
And they could have wiped them off the face of the planet and the predator is just mowing

621
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,240
through these guys like a predator does with all this modern, crazy technology.

622
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,640
Yeah.

623
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,880
And then he has the difficulty fighting bows and arrows.

624
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:55,880
Yeah.

625
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,560
And there's a problem with that too.

626
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,880
Like we didn't, we didn't, uh, Luke and I didn't like the predator design because instead

627
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:07,240
of his like modern, uh, face helmet shield, he had like a bone one and his dreadlocks

628
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:13,880
were like smooth and not kind of like rough, like you've seen in every other predator movie.

629
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,680
Um, and we were kind of saying like what he should have done when he landed and saw that

630
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,760
he was going up against, you know, mostly bows and arrows and Tomahawks is he should

631
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,440
have like stripped off of his, stripped off his weapons and just gone, you know, like

632
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,160
fist to fist with them.

633
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,960
Or he should have fashioned his own bow, you know what I mean?

634
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,040
And put it on equal ground.

635
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,560
Um, and the ending was kind of super lame.

636
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,080
Uh, didn't make any sense at all.

637
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:49,760
But also the weapons that the Comanche were using were magic weapons that dug inches into

638
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,240
timber, never chipped, never broke.

639
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:59,960
And uh, we're just like, yeah, incredibly superior to what it was now in a factory.

640
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:08,040
Yeah, and it was funny because, uh, because the, the main, um, protagonist, the Comanche

641
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:13,880
woman, uh, Luke was like, oh my God, she's going to put mud all over herself.

642
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:20,120
And then she didn't because she had some magic native American flour that she could eat.

643
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,880
And it would do the same thing that the mud did.

644
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:22,880
That's fine.

645
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,080
I didn't have a problem with that.

646
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,080
Yeah.

647
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,920
It was just kind of like, you know, could have just been mud, but, um, I didn't have

648
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,280
as much of a problem with that.

649
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,280
Yeah.

650
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,320
Um, but we're a little, we're a little more versed in like the predator lore.

651
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:42,440
So it was, you know, neither here nor there, like somebody who's not heavily invested into

652
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,560
the predator lore can watch this movie and say, Hey, some things were good and some things

653
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,560
made no sense.

654
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,000
And we're kind of actually terrible.

655
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:56,400
Um, so the critics that are saying it's as good or better than the original one, I don't

656
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,800
know what they're smoking, but it's not a cigar.

657
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,280
Um, right.

658
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,240
I had a bigger problem without the animals acted.

659
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,240
Yeah.

660
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,440
The CGI animals were absolute trash, like terrible trash.

661
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,000
They looked terrible, but they acted.

662
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,600
You know, a mountain lion, they, the, the, the commands you were hunting a mountain

663
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:23,280
lion and the mountain lion instead of running away, which is what mountain lions do when

664
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,120
they know that there's multiple people out there hunting for it.

665
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,120
Right.

666
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,560
They can't, they can't, but they can tell.

667
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,560
Yeah.

668
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:39,360
Well, they know that there's, uh, other predators out there and they leave the scene, right?

669
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,920
Modern or mountain lion attacks are on a individual basis and you trap them.

670
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:45,920
Yeah.

671
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,160
They're not attacking a group.

672
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,160
Yeah.

673
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:53,640
You can shoot them when they're trying to attack, uh, animals, but they're very human averse

674
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:58,920
creatures, as a rule.

675
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:04,160
And of course this animal just is like almost active rabbit.

676
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:10,320
Well, it, it, it wanted to stand toe to toe and fight everything, which is just not going

677
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,320
to happen.

678
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,800
No, that is not a realistic, uh, uh, interpretation.

679
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,200
And people say, Oh, it's a fantasy.

680
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:26,680
Well, the way it is, but fantasy works is that everything is normal and there's fantasy

681
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,040
elements added to realistic situations.

682
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,040
Yeah.

683
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,040
Everything can't be bullshit.

684
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,040
Yeah.

685
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,560
You can, you can only suspend your disbelief on certain things.

686
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:36,560
Right.

687
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:41,960
And if you're a good filmmaker, you know where those areas are and where you can take liberties

688
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,480
and where you need to not take liberties.

689
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:46,480
Right.

690
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,480
So really quick, I'm over halfway down with the cigar already.

691
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,920
So I have like a quarter of it, uh, to be perfectly honest.

692
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:54,920
Yes.

693
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,600
So I'm going to say like, if we want to talk about animal farm, we better shift gears.

694
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,840
Well, we could push animal farm to another episode too, or we could shift gears.

695
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:04,840
It depends.

696
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:05,840
It doesn't matter.

697
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:06,840
It doesn't really matter to me either.

698
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:07,840
I'm not going to forget.

699
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:13,280
Uh, no, no, no, I mean like, so animal farm is not, not a terribly long book.

700
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,360
There's a lot to unpack.

701
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,520
A lot to unpack in the book.

702
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,440
Uh, let's go back to pray though.

703
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,440
Okay.

704
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,440
By the way, the cigar is good.

705
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,440
It's good.

706
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,440
It's good.

707
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,440
Flavors.

708
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,440
Nope.

709
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,440
It is a one note thing.

710
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,440
Uh, yeah.

711
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,280
I would say, we probably, we probably got to, uh, got to come up with like some terms,

712
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,280
right?

713
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,560
Like one note, one note is a one note.

714
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,280
And then the ones that we like that change, change flavor, would we call those like complex

715
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,760
cigars or would we call them multi stage, multi stage?

716
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:43,760
I don't know.

717
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,760
Yeah.

718
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:52,920
I mean, the, the tobacconist that designed it, uh, had a flavor change in mind.

719
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:53,920
We happen to prefer that.

720
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:54,920
Yes.

721
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,720
The tobacconist that designed this wanted a one note cigar that was going to be good.

722
00:34:58,720 --> 00:34:59,720
Is this very good?

723
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:00,720
It's good.

724
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:01,720
Yeah.

725
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:02,720
It's very good.

726
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:03,960
It's an easy, it's an easy smoke too.

727
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,680
I mean, it lit easy.

728
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,240
It stayed lit.

729
00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:10,160
And uh, I was, I was actually honestly quite surprised.

730
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,360
Uh, because we're like, I don't know, 35 minutes in.

731
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,560
And uh, we've just been talking movies and I looked down and I'm like, holy crap.

732
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,360
Like if we want to talk about something else, we don't have much time left.

733
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,240
So we'll stay on pray and we'll do a big animal farm episode next.

734
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:27,240
Yeah.

735
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:30,880
We can do, we can do animal farm later because it's been very quick.

736
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,360
It's it's smoking fast.

737
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,360
Yes.

738
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:39,520
Um, Macanuto has a reputation for being a simple cigar for people, uh, at like a golf

739
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,520
course.

740
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,520
Yes.

741
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,520
Uh, traditionally.

742
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,520
They're a major brand.

743
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,680
They're kind of like Ashley or Coheba, uh, where you can buy them everywhere.

744
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,680
And it's good.

745
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:50,680
It's very good.

746
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:51,680
Yeah.

747
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:52,680
I like it.

748
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,680
Good.

749
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:54,680
Yes.

750
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,320
Um, if you're out on a, on a course and you're gonna hit a ball around, definitely something

751
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,040
that you would want to bring with you.

752
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,040
Yeah.

753
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,480
You probably need three or four of them, uh, to finish our 18 holes, but yeah.

754
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,360
I mean, you're going to have a couple of steaks and a couple of drinks and it's good.

755
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,360
Oh yeah.

756
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,120
I would highly recommend it for not probably not for sitting down and bullshitting because

757
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,600
it's not very long.

758
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:17,600
Yeah.

759
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,280
But, uh, yeah, it's good.

760
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,280
Yeah.

761
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,280
I like it.

762
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,360
Or if you wanted to do like what, uh, what we do watching films, you know, if you wanted

763
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:29,760
to start with something short and quick, just to get into the mood and then bring out the

764
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,480
big bad later, you know, you could do that.

765
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:33,480
Yeah.

766
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,640
That's a nice, it's a nice short smoke.

767
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,640
Yeah.

768
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:37,640
Nice short smoke.

769
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:38,640
You know what?

770
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:39,640
It's very good.

771
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:40,640
It's going to be a good one.

772
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,920
I don't know if it's a good like intro to cigars cigar, but, uh, you know, this one would

773
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:51,200
be a good, good one for you to smoke or for you to give to a friend that wants to smoke

774
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,200
too.

775
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,200
I would agree.

776
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,200
Yeah.

777
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,600
When I say not bad at all, that's kind of a diss.

778
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,080
It is actually very good.

779
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,640
Oh, it's really good cigar.

780
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,640
Yeah.

781
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:06,080
It's, it's, it's just well made and, uh, not overly interesting.

782
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,080
Just good.

783
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,080
Yeah.

784
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,280
It's not overpacked or over oily or anything like that.

785
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,600
So not overpowering in my opinion.

786
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,520
It's a good stick.

787
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,960
So anyway, back to pray.

788
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,960
Back to pray.

789
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:30,560
Um, it wasn't overwhelming with the women, good men, bad trope because the other Comanche

790
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,920
men were good, uh, but she did only kill one thing in the whole movie.

791
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:35,920
Yeah.

792
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:36,920
Yeah.

793
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:44,400
She constantly hunted and failed and we talked about this too during the movie where like

794
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,280
she has failed every single time she's tried to hunt or tried to find something or kill

795
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,280
something.

796
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:58,000
And I don't think it was overly like men, bad woman, good because like her brother,

797
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,280
right?

798
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,400
And so I don't remember if you were still there, if you had gone, but like Luke and

799
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:08,560
that we're talking about, we wanted more of the brother not because, not because we hate

800
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,640
women characters.

801
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:16,680
We love women characters like alien and aliens are some of our favorite flicks and that's,

802
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,960
you've got all sorts of characters, uh, you know, but the Ripley character is so well

803
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,680
written and so well performed, uh, by Sigourney Weaver.

804
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:32,140
Um, and this one, I would say that, you know, the lead female overall felt very flat.

805
00:38:32,140 --> 00:38:36,720
And some of the most interesting parts were her interactions with her brother because

806
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:42,720
her brother was kind of on one hand, you know, if you have a brother or a sibling, you probably

807
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:48,800
know, like on one hand the brother was like, come on sis, like what are you doing?

808
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,240
But then he would be very supportive of her throughout.

809
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:56,760
So it was a very kind of nice, like, like his character was interesting in the fact

810
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:03,200
that it was kind of like a, like a normal sibling thing and I felt like if we would

811
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:09,720
have had more of that interaction, we could relate to her better.

812
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:15,320
Not that, not that women need a man to justify themselves, but they had kind of set this

813
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:20,880
up in the movie to where he was kind of a nice counterpoint to her kind of stubborn

814
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,880
bullheadedness.

815
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:30,880
Which he was a badass male character who supported her and her heterodoxy, which is a good place

816
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,360
to start, but it never developed.

817
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,560
Yeah, they didn't do anything else with it, you know, and instead they decided to not

818
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:45,760
write anymore with those two and then give, I don't know, some middle schoolers, uh, after

819
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,560
effects and had them make a bear.

820
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,560
Right.

821
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,280
The bear that acted crazy as well.

822
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,840
I mean, all the animals acted crazy.

823
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,480
Yeah, and there was like a snake too that acted crazy.

824
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,640
Like they were all like, they were all terrible.

825
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:05,200
And just, and not even from, so Mike's coming at it from like the animal standpoint of what

826
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,320
like how would an animal act.

827
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,600
And I'm coming at it from a CGI angle where it's like, it's almost scorpion king level

828
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,120
bad CGI.

829
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:21,320
Like it's that CGI that will snap you right out of the film and you will say, that's a

830
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:27,040
bad looking CGI bear wolf mountain lion snake, whatever it was, they were CGIing it was all

831
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,040
bad.

832
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,040
Yes.

833
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,040
And I didn't like that.

834
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:35,640
The guys, they were like out fishing and they had like the full war paint.

835
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,240
They always had the full war paint.

836
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:40,040
Every time you saw them, they were in full war paint.

837
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,040
It was crazy.

838
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:46,880
And it's like, and she would wake up like she woke up one morning and she was in full

839
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:47,880
war paint.

840
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,680
And it's like, well, maybe just show us having her put it on.

841
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:52,680
Like does she sleep in this?

842
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:53,680
I remember we talked about this too.

843
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,120
We were like, are they, are they all sleeping in their war paint?

844
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,400
Or how are they getting their war paint on so fast?

845
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,240
You know, and normally, and maybe it's a trope, I don't know, but you know, normally you put

846
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:08,400
the war paint on before the big fight at the end of the movie.

847
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,920
You know, you're not, you don't go out hunting in war paint.

848
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:12,920
I don't think.

849
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:13,920
I don't know.

850
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:20,960
You don't go out gathering berries in your war paint or hunting in your war paint.

851
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:21,960
Yeah.

852
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:22,960
That's insane.

853
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:23,960
That's insane.

854
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:29,960
And again, I don't feel, oh, it's a sci-fi fantasy.

855
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,960
Mm.

856
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,720
Sci-fi fantasy works because it's not easy.

857
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:38,360
It is a sci-fi fantasy, but that's where you can draw the line between like a decent

858
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,960
you know, and I would call this one decent.

859
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:41,960
It's decent.

860
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:47,880
It's better than the other Predator movies because they were trying so hard to have callbacks

861
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,000
to the earlier films.

862
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,000
And you know what?

863
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,000
This one did too.

864
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,760
It had some callbacks, but they didn't feel overly forced, except for maybe the pistol

865
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,600
at the end.

866
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,000
But they didn't feel overly forced.

867
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,120
You know, I mean, the, the brother said the same line, you know, like if it bleeds, we

868
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,440
can kill it.

869
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,160
And that was from the first movie, but it kind of made sense, right?

870
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,760
Like it wasn't overly forced.

871
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,760
They weren't trying to somehow bring in lumberjacks and say, let's get to the choppers and have

872
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,080
the lumberjacks help us because they're chopping down trees.

873
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,080
Get it?

874
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,080
Ha, ha, ha.

875
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,080
Right.

876
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,360
You know, they weren't doing that kind of stuff.

877
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,720
So I felt like it was a little more refined than the previous entries to the Predator

878
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:27,720
franchise.

879
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:36,840
Well, I can tell you that 17, whatever, Comanche Girl, 1700s, whatever, Comanche Girl had an

880
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:44,080
incredible understanding of Predator technology by the end of the film.

881
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,120
She had to to win though.

882
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:47,120
She had to to win.

883
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,880
She had to rapidly learn modern technology.

884
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:50,880
And you know what?

885
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,480
And we were talking about this, and we were talking about this during it, during it too.

886
00:42:54,480 --> 00:43:00,680
And we were kind of saying, I think you brought this up, Mike, was would a 17, 19, basically

887
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:09,720
teenager have any of these kind of modern inklings of, you know, fighting the patriarchy?

888
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:11,600
I don't know.

889
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:12,600
I don't know.

890
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,600
I wasn't there.

891
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:19,280
And if any females back then had those feelings, I'm sure they were suppressed.

892
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,600
But you have to understand with films, just for anyone that's kind of like going to an

893
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:34,880
ASA on Mike or myself is films are a product of when they are made almost first and foremost,

894
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,120
and then secondarily, a product of the era that they're setting them in.

895
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:45,800
So you know, you can draw analogies or connections to any modern film that you've seen or any

896
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,280
film ever, and a lot of books too.

897
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,320
Like even if they send them back, they still work in some of the modern stuff.

898
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,120
So you can definitely tell just by watching without even looking at, you know, the level

899
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,800
of CGI or the film grain or whatever.

900
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:06,200
And just by the story, you can tell kind of the era the film was made based on that.

901
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,200
Right.

902
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:14,280
And there are accounts of Native American women fighting whites as warriors, for sure.

903
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:20,240
Because they were, there's Buffalo, something, something, something, I wish I had a rubber

904
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,040
to her name off the top of my head, but I don't.

905
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:31,320
But she's got an incredible story of fighting in the armies of the plains Indians, you know,

906
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:32,320
various tribes.

907
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:37,520
Yeah, and we talked about the female snipers and things too, and war heroes.

908
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,520
Oh yes.

909
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,520
Oh, in a previous episode.

910
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,520
Oh yes.

911
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:50,360
So I'm just trying to say I had less of a problem of having a strong, or you know, the

912
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,880
filmmakers wanting to have a strong female lead set in 1719.

913
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,480
Like I didn't really have a problem with that.

914
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:57,480
No.

915
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,800
Other than they didn't really do a whole lot of justice with her character development

916
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:02,800
throughout the thing.

917
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,000
Because she kind of like stubbornly and like bullheadedly rushed into everything and failed

918
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:14,560
a lot of the times and then just through sheer stubbornness kind of won at the end, you know,

919
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:19,120
and didn't really go on a character arc journey that you kind of want your protagonist to

920
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,120
go on.

921
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,000
But you learn nothing, you can do nothing.

922
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,000
Yeah.

923
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,000
And she learned nothing.

924
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,960
And again, like, it's fine.

925
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,640
It's not super intellectual cinema.

926
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,840
We're watching a Predator movie.

927
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:43,000
But again, you know, with like the CGI animals or the animal behavior, even if the CGI was

928
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:49,080
bad, but the animals acted like real animals, I think the CGI might have been able to be

929
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,080
forgiven.

930
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:55,560
Because at least they were making them act like real animals.

931
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:03,320
But those are like the fine dividing points between a decent movie and a great movie.

932
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,160
And you know, the first Predator movie is just phenomenal.

933
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,160
Like it's great.

934
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:13,200
Like all the characters, they go into the whole thing and they get their whole worlds

935
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,280
turned upside down.

936
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,760
And you know, they have to rally and fight.

937
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,680
And in this one, it was just kind of like she was never in any real danger that I felt.

938
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,720
Like I didn't feel like she was in any real danger.

939
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:29,480
The French people, yeah, they were in danger all the time because they were, you know,

940
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,120
barbaric morons.

941
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,440
But she was in more danger from the French people than from the Predator.

942
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:37,440
Yeah.

943
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,440
For sure.

944
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:44,000
So, but you know, the Predator used all this modern technology and barely succeeded or

945
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,000
barely died.

946
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,000
It's crazy.

947
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,000
Yeah.

948
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,280
And you know, and that's really not.

949
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:55,720
And so that was kind of our, like, Luke and Maya's biggest complaint was it really didn't

950
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:59,520
feel like she was fighting a legit Predator.

951
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:05,480
You know, because like a legit Predator wouldn't have been using all the modern stuff, but

952
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,280
they're still seven feet tall and ripped.

953
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,280
Right.

954
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,080
So it's still going to be a, it's still a battle, even if they don't have laser cannons.

955
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,840
You know what I'm saying?

956
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:20,120
Like it's not an easy thing to take down a seven foot tall alien that's been bred to

957
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,120
hunt.

958
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,200
Like that's their whole thing.

959
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:33,280
A medieval knight could have taken out a hunting party of Comanche alone because of the armor.

960
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,280
Yes.

961
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,280
Right.

962
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:42,720
So to believe that a future alien species could not take out a band of Comanche, even

963
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:48,340
though they were, let's see, I mean, at any one time he was only battling five or six

964
00:47:48,340 --> 00:47:49,840
Comanche at a time.

965
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,840
Yeah.

966
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:56,760
Well, the problem was that he never took off any of his tech, which he would have if he

967
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:03,680
were a true to the lore Predator.

968
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,240
Like he would have even the playing field, right?

969
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:14,480
He would have, he would have, he would have come at them at a similar technology level.

970
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:19,160
He never would have used his laser guided arrows or whatever the fuck he had.

971
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,160
Yeah.

972
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,160
Yeah.

973
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,160
Projectile weapons.

974
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,160
Yes.

975
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,360
It would have been much more even match and you would have seen him take that shit off.

976
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:32,480
He would have been like, you know, I mean, he wouldn't have seen his like facial expressions,

977
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,320
but he would have like, you would have had a shot of him like looking at the band of

978
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,000
Comanches and then he'd like take off his like shoulder mount.

979
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:47,200
He'd take off some of his stuff and set them like under a log and then you'd go, oh, okay,

980
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:52,040
he's going to like, you know, meet them where they're at technology wise.

981
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,440
And then it would have been a fight.

982
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,520
And then all the stuff that he did later and struggled with would have made sense.

983
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:58,520
Right.

984
00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:59,520
Right.

985
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,040
You saving the skulls of these animals that he killed.

986
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,040
Yeah.

987
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,720
Like a snake.

988
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:06,920
You fucking killed a snake and you're going to say, oh, great.

989
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,360
Super advanced alien killed a fucking snake.

990
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,360
You know what?

991
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,440
A six year old native American can kill a snake, but they don't keep the skull because it's

992
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,440
a fucking snake.

993
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:17,440
Like.

994
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,440
Poachers go out and catch rattlesnakes.

995
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:20,440
Yeah.

996
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:21,440
All right.

997
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,760
No, you know, it's actually a problem.

998
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,560
I mean, yeah, but I mean, like it's not that hard.

999
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:26,560
Kill a fucking snake.

1000
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:31,120
It's not impossible by any means, especially if you have like heat sensing shit and you

1001
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,640
can see it before it sees you.

1002
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:33,640
Well, yeah.

1003
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:38,280
And if you're a fucking seven foot tall, like alien and we don't even know if the snakes

1004
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:39,800
here are venomous to you.

1005
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:40,800
Like, right.

1006
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:41,800
Nobody knows.

1007
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:42,800
Right.

1008
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:49,520
It's really hard to kill a wolf that is attacking you and not running away, which is not what

1009
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,520
wolves do.

1010
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,520
No.

1011
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:52,520
I mean, right.

1012
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,520
And wolves are pack hunters.

1013
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,400
So there should have been like a whole fucking pack of wolves.

1014
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,400
Right.

1015
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,080
A solo wolf is not going to attack a predator.

1016
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:04,160
A solo wolf is probably not going to attack much of any one person, let alone a band of

1017
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,120
people when they don't even attack.

1018
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,960
They don't even attack healthy animals.

1019
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,480
They go for the sick in the week.

1020
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:10,480
Right.

1021
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:11,480
Right.

1022
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:20,240
So, you know, if you're all like super hopped up on the predator lore, you might not enjoy

1023
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:22,720
the film.

1024
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:28,720
If you have watched any of the other recent predator films, you'll probably think this

1025
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:33,080
is a nice breath of fresh air.

1026
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,580
It's beautifully shot.

1027
00:50:34,580 --> 00:50:39,240
You know, you can't deny that, but that doesn't carry a film.

1028
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:40,240
It only adds.

1029
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:43,560
So, I wouldn't say it's the best predator film I've ever made.

1030
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:51,040
I wouldn't say it comes close to the first two even, but it's better than any of the

1031
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,040
other ones.

1032
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,240
I'm officially done with the macanudo.

1033
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:55,240
Yep.

1034
00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:56,240
I'm just about there.

1035
00:50:56,240 --> 00:51:02,680
But I'd say if you're thinking about watching Prey, and if anything we've said here has

1036
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:07,060
kind of made you think like, man, maybe I shouldn't, you should probably just go watch

1037
00:51:07,060 --> 00:51:09,560
Sharks of the Corn or Lama Geden.

1038
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:10,560
Yes.

1039
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:15,840
And just know you're going into something completely goofy, and get yourself in the

1040
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:22,160
right mindset to watch something goofy instead of something serious.

1041
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,760
I would hold hard to be agreed with that.

1042
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:31,320
But this macanudo was very enjoyable.

1043
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:32,840
It was very good.

1044
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,680
It was good throughout.

1045
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:39,880
Pretty much from the first puff to the last did not change at all, but that's not a bad

1046
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:40,880
thing because it was good.

1047
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:41,880
That is fine.

1048
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,120
It's a good cigar.

1049
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,760
And that wouldn't be a bad one to just have a bunch of, you know.

1050
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,000
And you want something quick.

1051
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,160
Want something that's solid, consistent?

1052
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,240
That would be your cigar.

1053
00:51:58,240 --> 00:51:59,240
Absolutely.

1054
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:00,240
All right.

1055
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:02,880
Well, thanks for listening.

1056
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:23,720
Talk to yourselves a good week.