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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Nate.

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And I'm Mike.

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And fresh off the heels of the absolute worst cigar Mike and I have ever had, the misfortune

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of smoking, which is saying something.

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It was worse than a gas station cigar.

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It was horrible.

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We are smoking instead, or hopefully one that is better, the Punch Classico.

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It's a similar shape as the Blood Red Doom, but a little girthier, I think.

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Oh yes, much girthier.

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Much girthier.

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This is almost as big a round as my thumb.

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And I was able to get this one lit without gagging and wishing I were dead.

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So that's a plus.

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I'm going to assume that this is going to be a decent cigar.

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You know what?

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I'm five puffs in and I think it's great.

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It could be because of how bad the last one was.

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But I think the flavor is really nice.

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It's a very pleasant, I wouldn't say sweet, really, but kind of a semi-sweet maybe.

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There's sort of a little bit sweeter tones to it.

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Very smooth, very nice draw.

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And this is just initial thoughts.

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Yeah, the first couple puffs are good.

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I straight cut this one as well because of how narrow the end was.

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Yes, not as narrow as the blood red moon, but it was still narrow so it would have been

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a tough cross cut.

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Right.

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But I will say the airflow through it is great.

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So you probably could have gotten away with it.

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I think so.

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I want to try out my new cutter.

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I have new toys and I have to play with them.

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And what brand and everything is your new cutter?

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Oh, I got this as part of a kit from Pipes and Cigars.

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Not a sponsor.

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It is a...

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Not a sponsor.

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Ha ha ha.

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That's right, Tubes.

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It's a Paleo cutter that's very similar in design to the Calibri S-cut, which is ultimately

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the one that if I were to buy one alone, that's what I would have gotten for sure.

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But it's cut.

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The last two cigars just fine.

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Last few.

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So I can't complain.

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Everyone can get one for a reasonable price.

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We'll see how long it lasts.

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Have you gone through cutters?

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The cheap ones.

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Oh, the cheap ones, yeah.

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Yeah, the cheap ones.

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I was going to say, I've had mine for years and I don't...

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There's not really...

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I don't think it's going to slow down any.

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Right.

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Yeah, the cheap ones.

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The cheap ones, you even know what brand this is, let me look.

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To Stain the Steel Cuban Crafters.

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It's the only thing it says on it.

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But I like it.

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It was big enough to cut the Asylum 13 that we smoked.

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And it's got the little torpedo hole, which I quite like.

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Yeah, well, you got to remember too that I wore out a lighter with my Calibri.

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So my Calibri has lasted me one full lighter and it's still going strong.

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Well, and my jet line lighter I've had also probably since college and never replaced

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anything on it, just refill it and it's going.

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Right.

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That's why I got that jet line insert for my zip line.

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For those who don't know, you probably do, I'm going to talk about it.

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I have a torch insert for a Zippo lighter that I use as a cigar lighter.

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And my original torch was a Zippo branded torch, which lasted me not very long, half

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a year maybe.

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And then it kind of fizzled out.

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But the jet line's been good so far, had it for a year, year and a half, something like

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that.

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Yeah, I like that insert.

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Yeah, I do too.

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How does that one refill?

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Does it have the little hole in the bottom?

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You got to pull it out and.

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Yep, you just pull the case out.

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It's got the hole and fill it right up.

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Perfect.

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So it works pretty good.

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And it burns the fuel pretty good too, until the end.

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You don't have to bleed out half the bottle of fuel or anything weird like that.

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Oh yeah.

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Zippo had that problem from the get go.

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It only would burn half the fuel and then you'd have to drain it and refill it, just

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a pain in the butt.

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Yeah.

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There's so many other nicer lighters I think on the market.

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Or inserts for Zippos if you like the size and the feel and the flicking of the Zippo.

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Right.

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I wonder, I used to have just a stainless steel Zippo case.

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I'll have to see if I still have it, because maybe I'll get a jet line insert and then

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I can have two lighters for cigars.

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Yeah, I like the Zippo.

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You can shove it in your pocket and not have to worry about it.

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Yeah.

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Which is nice.

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My jet line's not too bad, but it is a little bulkier.

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You've seen it.

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Yes.

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It's kind of a square case.

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But then the lighting mechanism or the button to ignite it.

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Rather large rectangle off to the side.

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But it does have the mirror in the flip top, so you can look and see for an even light.

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I like it.

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I do a lot of cigar smoking outside.

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So it's nice to be able to shove some crap in your pocket and go.

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Yours is very futuristic.

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Which is nice.

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Not as futuristic as some other ones I've seen.

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No, no.

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Your Inlaw lighter is pretty cool too.

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You dial, it almost looks like a lightsaber, but you dial up the intensity you want.

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And then that's pretty cool.

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Yeah, like a flint and then it lights.

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It is like a lightsaber.

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It's pretty cool.

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I think it's nifty.

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I think it's cool, yeah.

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I'd want mine to look just like Luke Skywalker's lightsaber.

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I'd want it to actually be modeled after that.

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I think that would be cool.

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Oh, I'd want mine to be modeled after Teva.

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Whoever the new black lady inquisitor is on Kenobi.

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That fan favorite.

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Her lightsaber, whatever that looks like.

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I was going to say maybe like Ahsoka, but I think hers are a little curved, so it wouldn't

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really stand.

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Right.

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And she's got two of them.

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I'd be okay with two.

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Well, yeah.

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Would you have to cross them to be able to light it?

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Otherwise it wouldn't work.

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I thought you didn't cross the streams, but I'm not sure.

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Too much multiverse stuff, I think, going on these days.

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The only thing more ridiculous than, this is my opinion, the only thing more ridiculous

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than Disney Star Wars is the people who get very upset over Disney Star Wars.

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Just don't watch it.

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If it's shit, just don't watch it.

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You know what?

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I was very upset after the first sequel movie and then got progressively more upset with

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the second one because I was still hoping that they'd make something good.

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And then I was over it, because there's like the stages of grief.

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Like you're upset, acceptance.

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And so I moved to the acceptance in between the second movie and the last I'm Rey Skywalker

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movie.

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And it was just acceptance.

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And I went with a buddy because he really wanted to see it.

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And I knew going in, it was just going to be absolute and utter trash.

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And then they were writing Camels on the Outside of a Star Destroyer somehow.

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And I was like, you do you, Disney.

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Like whatever.

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It doesn't matter to me.

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I know when I'm stopping the movies series, Furby, it's Return of the Jedi is the last

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Star Wars movie in my mind.

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But I will say Rogue One was great.

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I don't think I've seen that one.

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I stopped watching the movies after the third trilogy.

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I sat down and forced myself to watch it over a weekend.

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Yeah.

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I had to watch the last one twice because Sarah didn't believe me on how bad it was.

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And she goes, well, I kind of want to watch it.

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And I said, well, you get me a shit ton of booze and I will watch it with you.

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And even she, when they revealed decrepit Palpatine at the end, and it's like that fucker

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is still alive and they brought him back and they couldn't think of one original thing

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in this entire trilogy.

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And she's not a huge Star Wars fan.

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I mean, other than she watched, she watches it with me.

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She's watched Rebels and Clone Wars, but those are good stories.

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She missed, Star Wars missed a huge opportunity to bring out Darth Jar Jar.

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If they would have brought out Darth Jar Jar, I would have forgiven everything.

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I mean, you know what?

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They had a lot of opportunities to do a lot of good things.

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And now all it's been is since that trilogy has now ended is there's all of these fan

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theories that are now defending Disney, right?

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The one that I saw was, well, Palpatine's back because he can actually transfer his

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consciousness to another being.

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And that's how Darth Plagueis and Darth, you know, like all of those other ones, like,

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so they're like, was it really like Palpatine in the prequels or was it really like Darth

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Plagueis who transferred his and it's like, okay, now you guys are really coming up with

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just some absolute bullshit to defend this billion trillion dollar company that's just

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pumping out crap.

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You know, like it's one, it's one thing to have a fan theory to say, you know, Jar Jar

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is a Sith Lord.

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But it's another thing to then try and overwrite other movies that are, have been established,

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well established to say it wasn't really Palpatine in the prequel trilogy.

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That was, you know, Darth Plagueis and it wasn't really Palpatine in Return of the Jedi.

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That was also Darth Plagueis somehow from eons and eons ago.

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And you know, and the new trilogy or the sequel trilogy did this kind of like force meditation

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long distance calling with 10 10 to 20 or something, you know, like, do you remember

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that commercial from like the nineties?

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Like, Hey, tell 10 10 to 20 and every, every minute is like a dollar or something.

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Similar to 1-800 collect.

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You know, and it's like, okay, but you're inventing that and then you're inventing force

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healing.

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So you're telling me Luke could have force healed Vader when he was dragging him out

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of the thing or that like Palpatine could have force healed Vader and had him regrow

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limbs and he wouldn't need the suit.

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And then maybe he wouldn't be such a bitter person or, you know, like what you could have

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force healed Padme.

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So I don't know.

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It's interesting when people take an established franchise and introduce completely new and

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bullshit things that don't make sense.

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I mean, at one point in that last movie you saw they were forced passing lightsabers through

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the void or something.

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Oh, it's well, like, and people get upset about the Eagles and Lord of the Rings, but

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my God, they're just pulling lightsabers out of thin air from across the galaxy.

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I don't understand the Eagles and Lord of the Rings.

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That's a separate issue, but I don't understand why people get so upset.

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The Eagles are not fucking pets, right?

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The Eagles and Lord of the Rings are like their own little kingdom, right?

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So they're their own rules and laws and their internal politics would affect.

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They saw Ukraine going against Russia and they thought, my God, I can't we can't fly

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in now.

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And then they got to the breaking point and said, now, now we fly.

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And they're like the US in every major world war.

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And they're like the US in every major world wars, as they call them.

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The US just was like a fucking arms dealer.

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Our internal politics at that time meant that we were arms dealers until the war was coming

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to the tipping point.

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And then, yeah, it's not that difficult to figure out, guys.

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I just don't get it.

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Like, let's just calm down.

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You're supposed to enjoy it.

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They could have taken, you know what?

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They could have, you know what?

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They could have called on his wizard phone and said, yo, Eagles, my homie Frodo needs

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to drop this thing into the lava.

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Eagle would be like, cool.

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I owe you one, Gandhi, because you saved my life from falling out of my nest or something.

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Pick them up.

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Go.

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You've got a 20 minute movie.

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You've got a 20 minute movie.

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Like you're complaining about something that took three movies away from you that were

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amazing and excellent.

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And you know, it's like.

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Plus the books, which are incredible.

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Yes.

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Of course.

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So, you know, let's calm down on the Eagles and go back to dissing on Disney.

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Well, I'm sure that, you know, Amazon will be green lighting the internal politics of

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the Eagle Empire in Little Rings of Power.

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Yeah.

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Which I'm not going to watch.

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The sequel.

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I am preemptively not watching it.

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Yeah.

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I've, you know what?

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I've got to watch, got to watch Obi-Wan and then I guess I have to watch Book of Boba

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Fett before the new Mandalorian season drops.

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Yes.

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I've been, you know, and I've heard some things about Obi-Wan and you and I have talked about

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Obi-Wan and it could be the bait and switch thing.

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I mean, you've watched Obi-Wan so you would know, but.

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I will not spoil it for you, but I will say that we are in episode three or four.

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I can't remember.

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We're all connoisseurs together.

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And I started booing at the screen.

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Okay.

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You know, in the living room or whatever, you know, boo Disney Star Wars, boo, boo Disney

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Star Wars, boo.

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Every time something happened I didn't like.

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So this is, this is my thought.

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The stink eye.

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Yeah.

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I'm not, I, you know, I wasn't really super excited about Book of Boba Fett.

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Like they teased it at the end of the last season of Mandalorian.

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And I was like, okay, I'm not really interested.

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I don't, I don't care.

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You know, it's more tattooing stuff.

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And then Obi-Wan was announced and I know Ahsoka is coming, but I got to say I'm most

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excited just to see Ian and Christopher, Christopher Hayden.

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And I feel if I can see any more of them, it's probably okay.

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You know, it's probably a win.

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All right.

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But you need to lower your expectations because.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I don't have.

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Let's say that we're on episode four.

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I think we're on episode four.

304
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Yeah.

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Sarah has no desire to see episode five at all.

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What about you?

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And I had no desire to see episode three.

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Oh, okay.

309
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That's what I mean.

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I started like, I started just booing the screen.

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But I think it's just a, I think it's just a mini series.

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So there's only eight.

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There's not going to be a second season.

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I think there's six episodes or something like that.

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Okay.

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I thought, I thought like I am.

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Maybe there's eight.

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I don't know.

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But I'm not sure, but it's a limited run.

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You know, it's only so many episodes.

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They're not coming back for a second season.

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They're not going to pay Ian McGregor and Christopher Hayden more to come back.

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I think what they're going to use it for is to be a, you know, use it as a launching pad

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for the first spinoff.

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So you can get more of that female Inquisitor just from what I've seen.

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It was a terrible character.

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So awful.

328
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I mean, the actress is fine, but the character is a petulant child.

329
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Definitely not somebody you'd want on your team.

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You know what I mean?

331
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You mean it's Kylo Ren?

332
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Yeah.

333
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It is like that.

334
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Yeah.

335
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Like a petulant child.

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Not a very impressive villain, I can tell you that.

337
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Yep.

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So Disney came out and you need to watch this one.

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But the first one that came out with was Rogue One and that was phenomenal.

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I really enjoyed it.

341
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Really good.

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So it kind of set really high expectations for what I hoped and thought Disney was going

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to do with the franchise and the rights to the franchise.

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And then I don't remember if Solo was the next one they came out with, but that one

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was pretty terrible.

346
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I mean, it was watchable for sure.

347
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But Mike, did you see Solo?

348
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The Star Wars story one?

349
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No.

350
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Okay.

351
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So it's like young Han Solo and young Chewbacca.

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Or younger Chewbacca.

353
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I don't remember how old he is.

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But that's the whole point is like you can watch the movie and they show them doing the

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Kessel Run and they show him doing all the stuff that he kind of bragged about in the

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original trilogy.

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But that was Han's character.

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That was the whole beauty of his character was he never knew if he was actually telling

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the truth or if it was some like long con or swindle he was running.

360
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Right.

361
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I mean, Han Solo showed first, right?

362
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Yep.

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But that was the whole point of the character, is you weren't supposed to know if he was

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telling the truth all the time.

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You weren't supposed to know if he was going to change his mind, come in and make the saving

366
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shot at the last minute for Luke to be able to blow up the Death Star.

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You weren't supposed to know that.

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That was his whole character.

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So to do a whole movie explaining that, oh no, actually he is the hero and he did do

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all these things he said he did.

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Like that undermines the character in my mind.

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I agree.

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And that's a lot of, and it's not just Disney.

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It's other companies, they do that with Terminator, Terminator Dark Fate.

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They come in and they undermine these characters because they don't understand the character.

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They don't take the time to watch the character in other movies that are established and then

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carry that character on in a logical progression.

378
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It's all money driven and how can we spend more movies off of this?

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How can we, you know, not have to hire old actors that could die at any moment and put

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a new actor in there that's younger that we have to pay less money to?

381
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Right.

382
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Well, that's, I don't know.

383
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They need to come up with new stories.

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And that's it too because there's so much of the Star Wars universe or any universe.

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I mean if you want to carry on the franchise.

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And Rebels did that.

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It was a completely new cast of characters.

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Leia showed up once or twice.

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But it was young Leia.

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Soca showed up a handful of times.

391
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Yeah.

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And Vader was there and then there was one episode with Obi-Wan and Darth Maul.

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And Darth Maul was kind of there.

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But the main protagonists, they were all people that nobody had ever heard of because they

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invented them for the show.

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And it was their story and their planets and their livelihoods and families.

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And it wasn't, hey, did you hear about the Skywalker dude?

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You know, like it wasn't that.

399
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So you know, I mean come up with original things.

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There's a whole entire galaxy, universe, whatever.

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I mean it's everything.

402
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You have unlimited potential.

403
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That would create original thought, right?

404
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,600
It's kind of like Star Trek.

405
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Which Hollywood is against.

406
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Yes.

407
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It's exactly like Star Trek.

408
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All they're doing is rehashing old shows.

409
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Yeah.

410
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Old characters.

411
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Like we do not need a show about fucking Captain Pike.

412
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Okay.

413
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We don't need it.

414
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We don't need it.

415
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We've been there.

416
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We've done that.

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Let's do obviously the actor that played Nog is dead.

418
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But let's do Captain Nog.

419
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You know, let's do Jake Sisco in the future.

420
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Let's move forward in the storyline, right?

421
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Let's get out of the past and get into the future.

422
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You know, maybe bring in a couple of legacy characters as side characters.

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Yeah, but they ran into that because it wasn't, and so I've never seen it, but the Star Trek

424
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Discovery.

425
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I've never watched it.

426
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I heard there's a whole slew of stuff, but wasn't that in the future or was that in the

427
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past?

428
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:27,320
I don't remember.

429
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That is alternative universe.

430
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Oh, see?

431
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Okay, so.

432
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TOS timeline.

433
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I hated when they did the reboots movies with Kirk.

434
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Oh yeah, Jar Jar Abrams.

435
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Yeah.

436
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Because one, we already have all those shows and movies with those characters and I don't

437
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need a re-imagining of those characters.

438
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By and large, the first movie was fine, okay?

439
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You know, as a one-off, but they made like two more.

440
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And what really kind of drove me away from that was when the second one came out or the

441
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trailer for the second one came out and everybody goes, well, that's Wrath of Khan.

442
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And then J.J. Abrams came out and they issued like this huge press release and it's like,

443
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it's not Wrath of Khan.

444
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And then he watched it in the theater because he suckered you into going because he promised

445
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,680
you it wasn't Wrath of Khan.

446
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,400
And he went there and it was Wrath of Khan.

447
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,440
Yeah, and it was White Khan.

448
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,800
It wasn't even like Brahman Khan.

449
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Like he's supposed to be from that like subcontinent, Indian subcontinent somewhere.

450
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,720
Yeah.

451
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But seriously, you can't find a single actor who would at least represent physically what

452
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Khan would look like.

453
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Even I don't want to get too, like I say, I don't want to like, it's like ridiculous

454
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,560
to get upset about it, but at the same time it's like, come on, man, Ricardo Montevante

455
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is a legend.

456
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:09,440
You're shitting on this like legacy character by having some effeminate British guy play

457
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,440
like this badass character.

458
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,480
He's supposed to be a Superman, literally.

459
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,400
Yeah, because he was genetically altered.

460
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He's genetically enhanced.

461
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Physically and mentally, you know, and don't get me wrong, I think Benedict Humbert-Batch

462
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,840
is a great actor and there's a lot of things that I like him in, but I don't think it

463
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,160
was a right casting call for Khan.

464
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:37,520
No, well, they should, like I say, move forward.

465
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:45,440
Star Trek Discovery is the main character is a Red Khan alternative universe Spock's

466
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,840
adopted sister who's a black woman.

467
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Right?

468
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,280
So it is like TOS timeline better than all the other ones.

469
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,040
And Voyager had a black Vulcan.

470
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And they were-

471
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I'm not against black Vulcan.

472
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,040
She's not a Vulcan, she's a human.

473
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,040
Oh, okay, human.

474
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,040
Well, whatever.

475
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,560
I mean, but I'm just, I'm trying to say like Voyager, they went forward in time or they

476
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,520
were running kind of concurrent or just towards the tail end of Next Generation.

477
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It was a similar timeline.

478
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But they did something new, a new crew and they sent him out and there were certainly

479
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,820
some episodes that were absolute horse crap in Voyager, but there were some really great

480
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episodes as well.

481
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And you know, kind of gave us the first featured in a series, female captain.

482
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You had a black Vulcan.

483
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You had a, I don't remember if he was actually like a Native American, but he was like a

484
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stand in kind of-

485
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Chocolate Day was a Native American.

486
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Yep.

487
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Yep.

488
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,920
And so you really had a diverse cast and you had, you know, new storylines that kind of

489
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,960
really though piggybacked hard on the Borg thing.

490
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,120
You know, I wish because they sent him way out into deep space and it was like, you can

491
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have any alien you want.

492
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,720
You don't need to piggyback off the Borg.

493
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:09,200
Well, they had the Kazon for the first two seasons and they were incredibly unpopular.

494
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:16,960
The Kazons were just not popular with the fan base because they were ridiculous, unfeasible

495
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:22,760
alien species to focus on for multiple episodes, you know?

496
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,360
And then they had some good ones though.

497
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:30,520
I mean, they had good aliens and stuff and it was better than anything that they're producing

498
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:31,520
now for sure.

499
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Oh yeah.

500
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,440
And then they came out with Enterprise and they went way back before they even had Warp

501
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,200
Drive basically.

502
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,840
I like that concept too, by the way.

503
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,840
I thought it was a good show.

504
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:41,840
Yeah.

505
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,840
It was, you know what?

506
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,400
I didn't dislike it.

507
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:50,200
I'll tell you watching it, it was very frustrating sometimes because they had what?

508
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,720
Armor plating instead of shields.

509
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:59,000
And so it was kind of frustrating to go back in time and be like, we're just watching these

510
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,640
people struggle for no reason.

511
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:05,000
I thought it was an interesting thought experiment as far as...

512
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,000
Yeah.

513
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,000
You know what?

514
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,280
I think it's an interesting thought experiment.

515
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:15,760
I think if it would have been like a standalone movie or a few seasons shorter, it would have

516
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,640
been better, you know, just tightening up.

517
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:30,920
And how they did the series finale was an absolute slap in the face to every single

518
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:37,600
actor on that show because they made the series finale an episode of Next Generation.

519
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:38,600
Sure.

520
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:45,640
Because they had Riker and Troy going through the holodeck explaining this last thing.

521
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,600
And I don't remember, maybe they got canceled and they were like, we got to do something.

522
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,880
But like, let the actors have their own finale.

523
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:59,000
Like we understand they're part of a bigger Star Trek universe, but let those actors have

524
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,440
their own finale and not be overshadowed by Riker and Troy.

525
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,440
Right.

526
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,880
That's my thought.

527
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:06,880
My thought.

528
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,880
No, I agree.

529
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,600
You know, like you say, I am a big Star Trek fan.

530
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,600
I'm so disappointed they didn't just continue the story.

531
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,600
Like I said, I know Nagas...

532
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,600
I got so mad.

533
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,600
I got so mad at Picard.

534
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:27,160
I watched the first episode of the first season and I was like, man, I just don't think this

535
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,160
is going to be for me.

536
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,040
I just don't think this is going to be for me.

537
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,040
Yeah.

538
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,240
My buddy, he goes, you got to watch it.

539
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,240
I'm watching it with my dad.

540
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,280
You got to watch it so we can talk about it.

541
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,040
And after every episode, I'm like, man, I can't, I can't.

542
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,520
He goes, oh, come on, finish the season at least.

543
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,600
And I'm like, dude, I don't know if I can, but I forced myself and I watched everything

544
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,280
that's out unless they have a new one out now, but a new season.

545
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,320
But I was like, dude, I can't do it.

546
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,560
And he goes, I'm probably going to watch the new season when it comes out.

547
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,760
And I said, I will not.

548
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,760
I don't care.

549
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,760
I can't, I can't do it anymore.

550
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,120
How do you like the cigar, by the way?

551
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,280
I'm over halfway done.

552
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,280
Maybe halfway point.

553
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,280
All right.

554
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,280
I like it.

555
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,280
It's good.

556
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,280
I like it.

557
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,280
It's good.

558
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,280
It's good.

559
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,280
It's, I don't know.

560
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,280
It's, it's good.

561
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:21,320
I don't know that there's anything standoutish about it, but it's good.

562
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,200
No, it's not like crazy, but it's very pleasant.

563
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,880
It's very, very pleasant.

564
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:36,080
Nothing, nothing offensive, nothing too crazy good about it either.

565
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:41,400
It's not like blowing my socks off here, but I think it's perfectly acceptable.

566
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,880
Yeah, I like it.

567
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,880
It's a nice, you know.

568
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:52,640
I kind of wish they would have put a spicy wrapper on it, but otherwise it's, it's good.

569
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,640
It's

570
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,840
That has a lot to do with our personal preferences.

571
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,840
Yeah, that's true.

572
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:57,840
That's true.

573
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,840
Yeah.

574
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,120
I like, I like the spicy wrappers as well, but no, this one's good.

575
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,760
I like it.

576
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,040
I wouldn't hesitate to smoke another one.

577
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,480
Definitely better than the last one.

578
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,480
Yeah.

579
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,480
Yep.

580
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,360
I know, and it's going to go down in the books.

581
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,360
It's got to be, oof.

582
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,120
It's rough.

583
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,400
But yeah, I, Boba Fett, you're going to like it.

584
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:34,000
It's like I say, it's not really about Boba Fett so much as it is Mandalorian 2.5, which

585
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,000
is fine.

586
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,120
It shouldn't have been called Boba Fett and they shouldn't have presented it as being

587
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,160
like about Boba Fett.

588
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:51,840
But, it was fine, you know, a lot of characters from, from Rebels.

589
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:57,720
So Sarah was lost when she watched it because she's never watched Clone Wars or Rebels.

590
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:04,600
So they got a lot of Clone Wars characters that show up and that's fine.

591
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,600
Yeah.

592
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,480
Well, you know, I'm going to give it a watch.

593
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:08,920
We'll watch it before.

594
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:16,120
We'll watch the newest Mandalorian that comes out and I'll watch Obi-Wan just because I

595
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,120
want to see Obi-Wan and Vader.

596
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,120
Right.

597
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,680
Well, I mean, the problem that I have with Obi-Wan and you'll find out is they crap on

598
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:30,720
certain characters in the episodes shows and it's like, crapping on your own characters

599
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,920
is just not a good plan when you're trying to create entertainment, right?

600
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,920
Yeah.

601
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:42,200
It's just not the way that things should be done in my opinion.

602
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,040
Not that I'm an expert.

603
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:52,280
What franchise have you not created but purchased and then decided to carry on?

604
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,520
What do you know about what Disney's doing?

605
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,520
Yeah, I don't know.

606
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:56,520
I don't know nothing.

607
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,520
I don't know nothing.

608
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:03,100
I know that I'm not excited for Lord of the Rings, which my nephew, I was shooting the

609
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:08,560
breeze with him last Wednesday and he's never read nor has he watched the Lord of the Rings

610
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,680
movies and it's like, really, dude?

611
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,680
You've never, never?

612
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:19,120
He's like, no, they looked like they were going to be like, you know, dweeby or whatever.

613
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,120
I'm like, what?

614
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,960
He was reading a sword and board type novel, you know?

615
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:25,960
Oh, yeah.

616
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,160
I'm like, dude, this is right up your alley.

617
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,520
In fact, this is the OG.

618
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,680
Yeah, this is like, this is where it's all at.

619
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,640
This is what kind of catapulted fantasy novels, you know, into the mainstream.

620
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,480
Yeah, I don't know.

621
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,960
I'll probably watch a little of the Rings of Power.

622
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:52,080
I know my brother is going to watch it because he's a huge Tolkien fan.

623
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:57,640
But I got to say the little teaser trailer thing they dropped didn't make me overly excited.

624
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,160
No, I'm not.

625
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,160
Yes.

626
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,520
To me, it looks like they're going to write out Celeborn, which I am not a huge fan of

627
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,360
writing out Celeborn.

628
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:16,360
I wanted to see Celeborn's story, which is probably why it pisses me off, you know, or

629
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,640
not pisses me off, but why I'm like super not excited about it because I don't want

630
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,640
to see Celeborn.

631
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,600
It's tough to say from a teaser, you know, I mean, who knows?

632
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,160
It is, but Warrior Galadriel tells me that they're just going to like take all of Celeborn's

633
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:34,880
roles and give it to her and not put Celeborn in the story at all.

634
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,800
Potentially, you know, who knows?

635
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,680
And I know they had Hobbits, racially diverse Hobbits.

636
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,360
And that's like a big red flag to me as well.

637
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:54,360
Yeah, especially when the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, you know, he kind of wrote that

638
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:59,600
as an alternative take on, you know, English history.

639
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,480
Well, it just doesn't make sense.

640
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,120
I mean, that's like factual reality.

641
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,600
I'm staying within like the confines of lore.

642
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,280
Hobbits were confined to a very small area.

643
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,600
Homogenous, confined community.

644
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,600
Yes.

645
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:24,920
They are analogous to like the peasantry of England, like a genetically homogenous, small

646
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,000
minded group of fools.

647
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,600
That never travel except for Bilbo and Frodo, but they never travel.

648
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,120
They never leave the Shire.

649
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,920
And who knows if they're even...

650
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:44,720
They're just narrow minded, simple folk.

651
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:45,720
That's the whole point.

652
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:46,720
Yes.

653
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:48,200
That's like the charm of Hobbits.

654
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,680
And you know what?

655
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,240
And a lot of them didn't like Gandalf.

656
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:57,520
They gave Gandalf, you know, sideways glances and things when he showed up with his fireworks.

657
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:58,520
Right.

658
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:05,040
So even allowing an outsider in wasn't something every Hobbit was on board with.

659
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,040
Right.

660
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:17,040
After the end of Lord of the Rings, Aragorn even further isolated them by law in Decree.

661
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,040
Yes.

662
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,600
Purposefully protected them from outside influences.

663
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,520
So yeah, it's what it is.

664
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:26,520
It's what it is.

665
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,200
I'm just not confused about that.

666
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:34,480
I think it's hard to go way, way, way, way, way back in history and go, yes, we had black

667
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:46,240
Hobbits, but they left and went to the Black Shire and all of the white Hobbits stayed

668
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:47,800
here in Whiteshire.

669
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:48,800
Yeah.

670
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,600
I mean, I don't know what kind of crazy shit they're going to have.

671
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,960
They're going to have like Burning Alabama, Burgeoning Hobbiton.

672
00:35:53,960 --> 00:36:04,400
It seems like an odd thing that you have to do like crazy storytelling, writing.

673
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:11,600
You have to have cartwheels and backflips and contortionism to somehow make a diverse

674
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,440
version of Lord of the Rings.

675
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,860
At that point, it's like if you're going to do all of these crazy writing tricks to try

676
00:36:19,860 --> 00:36:25,840
and say, yeah, we had black Hobbits back then, but now we don't have any.

677
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:33,700
Just make your own fantasy story with a diverse cast and do your own thing and be 100% creative

678
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:40,720
instead of stealing somebody else's franchise and then writing your own stuff that you want

679
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:41,720
into it.

680
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:42,720
Right.

681
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:49,200
Just be somewhat lazy and just have the Easterlings come in and now they're black.

682
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,200
Yeah.

683
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,200
Whatever.

684
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,200
Why not?

685
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,200
Right?

686
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,200
That's fine.

687
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,200
Yeah.

688
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:00,000
Just because Easterlings are technically on the side of Sauron and they were kind of Middle

689
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,920
Eastern in appearance, whatever.

690
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,480
Well, there are other regions that weren't explored in the books.

691
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,480
That's right.

692
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,600
There were other regions where they said that people there were of darker skin.

693
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,880
You could literally take any other region that was never touched in any of the Tolkien

694
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,320
books and venture your own backstory for them and create your own culture for them and have

695
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,520
them come in and it would make sense with everything else.

696
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:34,400
But even some of the Star Trek stuff, they made these new movies and then they were like,

697
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,240
oh yeah, it doesn't really fit with anything, does it?

698
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:50,160
We had old Spock from the original stuff and then we have new Spock, alternate timeline.

699
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,120
That's our solution, alternate timeline.

700
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,120
We don't have to worry then.

701
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,120
We can write anything we want.

702
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,920
We can rehash all the old movies that were classics and then just say that they're a

703
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:00,920
little different.

704
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:07,240
So, it's not Wrath of Khan because this time Spock yells Khan and it wasn't Kirk that yelled

705
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:08,240
Khan.

706
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:10,000
So, it's different, see?

707
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,480
And it's alternate timeline.

708
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:17,560
Oh, the first time I watched the new Star Trek movie, I did not quite catch on to the

709
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,760
fact that it was alternative timeline right away.

710
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:20,760
Yeah.

711
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,880
I was watching it and I'm like, what the fuck is this?

712
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,640
It's the laziest writing ever.

713
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,080
A lot of this stuff, you watch this stuff where they're reviving things and they're

714
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,080
bringing things back and they're even with the original cast members and they're bringing

715
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:43,960
things back like X-Files and other things and it's like, this is the laziest writing

716
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,700
of all time.

717
00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:51,400
You can't possibly be making enough money off of this to justify it, but I guess they

718
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,400
are.

719
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,800
I guess somebody somewhere is like, hey, I love all this rehashed stuff.

720
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,200
I don't want anything new.

721
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,360
I want to, you know, but I don't honestly how.

722
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,400
I'm super excited for Dune.

723
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:09,840
I like, I mean, I, this break with all this negative talk, I was very pleased with Dune.

724
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:16,680
I did not like that they gender swapped a few characters, but at the same time, I know

725
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,120
that they're not going to do all of the Dune books.

726
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:25,800
So the long-term political consequences of that decision will never be seen on the screen

727
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,600
and I'm okay with that.

728
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,680
Yeah, I mean, like I understand.

729
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,280
I'm almost done with children of Dune, the book.

730
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:40,600
I've got all the books in the original series plus the two that Frank's son and other guy

731
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:46,500
wrote to finish out Frank's series.

732
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:52,640
I'm excited to read them all and I'm trying to think like the only, the biggest one I

733
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,040
saw that they gender swapped was Keen's.

734
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,040
Yes.

735
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:03,760
The planetologist and so far even they still mentioned Keen's every once in a while in

736
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,720
children of Dune, but more in passing.

737
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:10,760
And I can't possibly see how it would matter if Keen's was a man or a woman.

738
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:11,760
Like I don't, it doesn't.

739
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,800
Later on it matters, but not, it's not a huge consequence.

740
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:16,800
Okay.

741
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:23,480
But it does eventually matter because of the development of political change that happens

742
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:28,480
over the span of the series, which is over thousands of years, as I'm sure you could

743
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:29,480
already tell.

744
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,480
Well, yeah.

745
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,800
If you're on children of Dune.

746
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,800
Yeah.

747
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:33,800
Children of Dune.

748
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:43,440
So it's Paul's twin kids, spoiler alert, from Dune Messiah.

749
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,040
And then I have a feeling that we're going to kind of like, I mean, what, there's like

750
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,240
eight books or something.

751
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:54,440
If you count the sand worms of Dune and hunters of Dune that Frank's kid.

752
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,920
Well, there's more than that, but because there's like the expanded Dune universe.

753
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,480
Yeah, but he did.

754
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,480
But yeah.

755
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:06,400
So his son did like, they did one for each each of the houses and they did one on the

756
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,400
Butlerian.

757
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,400
Well, there's three for the Butlerian Jihad.

758
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,160
There's three books for that.

759
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,120
And then there's three house books that covers like a prequel.

760
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,120
Yeah.

761
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:23,480
So, you know, if I, I've decided that if I, if I read and finish this kind of like main

762
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:33,040
storyline arc and like it, then I'll pick up that other stuff that Frank's son and the

763
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,680
other guy did.

764
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,800
I'm on House Harkonnen right now.

765
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,800
Okay.

766
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:43,880
So I've read a few more than just the original series.

767
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,200
And so the gender stuff does matter in the larger Dune universe, right?

768
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,160
Like the gender politics plays an important role.

769
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:57,400
And that's like I say, they're not going to make the extended Dune universe on screen.

770
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,520
So I'm okay with that.

771
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,800
And then they kind of reswapped a couple characters too, which is fine.

772
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,600
It's not like the end of the world by any means.

773
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:08,600
So big deal.

774
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:09,600
Yeah.

775
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:20,120
And I guess I would say, I would say from my reading of the first three or almost the

776
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:29,120
full first three now, some of the gender stuff matters.

777
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:38,240
I guess in Fremen culture, the women typically aren't the ones that are roaming around the

778
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,960
desert and doing things, right?

779
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:46,400
They're taking care of the Seaches and offspring and things like that.

780
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:55,680
Their political power is centered around the CHs and the maintenance of those, which is

781
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,160
the most important part because they're the ones generating all of the wealth.

782
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,640
I'm not trying to minimize that.

783
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,800
And I think in Fremen culture, they really revere their women.

784
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,840
Well, in Fremen culture, the women are the ones who hold all the money because money

785
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,800
is water and they have all the water rings.

786
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:14,800
Yes.

787
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,080
So it depends on how you want to look at it.

788
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,080
Well, yeah.

789
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:24,080
But I'm just saying like, even with understanding like that Fremen culture and stuff, like for

790
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:31,120
Keynes to be a woman in the movie, I don't think that matters.

791
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,120
They're not going to get into all of that stuff.

792
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,120
No, it's not.

793
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,120
They might.

794
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,640
Like I said, I was very happy with the movies.

795
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:38,640
Yes.

796
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,640
And then, you know what?

797
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:45,320
They might do a little bit of water rings in this second part with Paul and Zendaya.

798
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,320
I'm sorry.

799
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:52,640
I can't remember the actual character name.

800
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,240
Shani.

801
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,360
Yes.

802
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,040
So they might do some watering stuff with that because that was kind of like Paul's

803
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:04,280
only hiccup with Fremen culture in the book, you know, because he got his still suit on,

804
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:10,400
you know, the right appropriate Fremen way and he knew pretty much everything.

805
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,580
And the water ring thing was kind of like his only hiccup.

806
00:44:12,580 --> 00:44:17,520
So they probably show that in some form in the second part of the movie.

807
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:24,560
But, you know, I guess for Keynes being a female and then they didn't in the first part

808
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,760
of the movie, they didn't really find out that Keynes was a Fremen until close to the

809
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,880
end of Keynes' life cycle.

810
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:32,880
But right.

811
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,320
Well, let's be clear.

812
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,360
It's not that Paul knew all of the ways of the Fremen.

813
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:44,600
It's that he fell into many of their ways naturally because many of the ways of the

814
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:51,120
of the, oh, come on, now I'm drawing a blank, his house name.

815
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,560
They're not the Harkonnens.

816
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:54,560
The other ones.

817
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:55,560
No, Atreides.

818
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:56,560
Atreides.

819
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,960
Many of the ways of the Atreides were similar to the ways of the Fremen.

820
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:02,880
So unlike the Harkonnens.

821
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:03,920
Yes.

822
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,240
So I wasn't overly concerned with any of that stuff.

823
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:08,280
I, you know, and I had, I watched them.

824
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:15,240
Well, I watched the mini series first, the Frank Herbert's Dune mini series.

825
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:21,640
And then I tried to watch the Sting Dune, but I just couldn't do it.

826
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,400
I had to stop it.

827
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:28,120
Kind of like that last cigar, the Blood Red Moon.

828
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,600
I couldn't get behind the Sting version of Dune.

829
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:32,600
I've never watched it.

830
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,600
I haven't met the host, but I haven't watched it.

831
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:35,600
I need to.

832
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,200
But the mini series is great.

833
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,980
And I want to watch, they did a Children of Dune mini series, which is actually Dune Messiah

834
00:45:40,980 --> 00:45:45,120
and Children of Dune combined into one mini series.

835
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,440
And so I want to watch that as well.

836
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:55,760
But you know, I watched the first part of Denis Vinvue's, you know, Dune part one.

837
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,960
And I said, man, I got to read Dune.

838
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,560
So then I made that a priority and I read Dune.

839
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,280
And it was very interesting because there was a lot more political backstory in the

840
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,320
book than they showed in the movie.

841
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,440
Oh, yes.

842
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,000
Plans within plans within plans.

843
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,000
Right.

844
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Yes.

845
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,120
And that's where the gender politics comes into play.

846
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,400
I realized that's not going to be in the movies.

847
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,240
So yeah, there's only so much you can put in a movie.

848
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:24,520
And a lot of the stuff that was the plans within plans within plans and a lot of that

849
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:30,560
political like negotiating was the book can show you inside people's minds, but the movie

850
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,760
is not going to sit there and well, hopefully not if you're a good filmmaker, you're not

851
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,600
going to like here's Lady Jessica and then just have an internal monologue running.

852
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:40,600
Okay.

853
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,520
Well, I'm looking over at this person and I think they might be doing this because my

854
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,000
Bennett Jesuit training says they might be doing this.

855
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,120
Like we don't want that.

856
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:55,760
Like that's bad filmmaking to have an internal monologue for not comedy purposes.

857
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:56,760
Right.

858
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,760
Right.

859
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,680
So unless you're, you know, Deadpool, great.

860
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:01,680
Yeah.

861
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:02,680
What's that guy's name?

862
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:03,680
Guy Ritchie.

863
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,680
You know, unless you're Guy Ritchie doing that.

864
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:07,680
Yes.

865
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,480
Probably not going to work out in your favor.

866
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,800
You know, not if you're trying to make a serious sci fi flick.

867
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:20,160
So no, like I say, like it was as good as it.

868
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,960
I was very excited for it.

869
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:22,960
Yeah.

870
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:28,000
I'm reading the Dune books and currently reading the Extended Universe.

871
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,000
Okay.

872
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:39,120
I think, I think in contrast to what Star Trek and Star Wars and some other franchises

873
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:45,120
are doing, if you want to add diversity and you want to be more inclusive, the way they

874
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:50,520
did it in the Dune part one movie is the right way to do it.

875
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:51,520
Right.

876
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,320
Okay, it doesn't detract from anything.

877
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,880
It's not a big deal.

878
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,680
These characters aren't always described in the book by skin tone.

879
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:02,680
You know what I mean?

880
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:03,680
Right.

881
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:04,680
Well, there's no spoiler alert.

882
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:05,680
The Fremen are a spoiler alert for everybody else.

883
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:11,760
The Fremen are kind of a proxy for Arabs.

884
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:16,080
So yeah, it makes sense to have black Fremen in a certain way.

885
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,080
You know what I mean?

886
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,080
Yeah.

887
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,080
And there's millions and millions of them.

888
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,080
So yes.

889
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,080
And there's nothing to say that they've learned.

890
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,080
Yeah.

891
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,280
Well, you've got, and you have space travel.

892
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:33,280
Not that the Fremen were doing that in the first book, but you have space travel.

893
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:38,940
You have Arrakis and people go there to get spice.

894
00:48:38,940 --> 00:48:52,620
So to say that nobody ever took a Fremen spouse or child bearer partner, that would be kind

895
00:48:52,620 --> 00:48:53,620
of dumb.

896
00:48:53,620 --> 00:49:02,320
So you could have multiple skin tones of Fremen just because you have all the entirety of

897
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:08,600
space that would come there because that's the only planet with that commodity that everybody

898
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:09,600
needs.

899
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:15,480
And that's why this little backwater desert planet is important.

900
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:16,840
And that's why we meet the Fremen.

901
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:24,840
And that's why we, you know, so I think that everything in that, and what they did with

902
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,520
this version, it all makes sense and it's fine.

903
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:34,440
It doesn't break any of the hard and fast dune rules or, you know, hey, we've got a

904
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:35,440
black comet suddenly.

905
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,440
It doesn't break any of the lore.

906
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,200
You can have black Fremen.

907
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,920
You can have white Fremen.

908
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,400
You can have tan Fremen.

909
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,020
You know, you can have all of this stuff.

910
00:49:46,020 --> 00:49:50,720
And I think the other spoiler spoiler alert is, which my buddy got really upset.

911
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:55,280
He's like, I just wish they wouldn't have called that one guy Idaho because that's like,

912
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,800
it just popped me way out of it.

913
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,840
I'm like, well, dude, they're all from earth.

914
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,320
Like all of these people are all from earth.

915
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,400
Like, so, you know, his family probably originated in Idaho and that's what their name they took

916
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:08,400
on.

917
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,600
You know, I mean, like you got last name like Cooper.

918
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,600
What did they do?

919
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,080
They made barrels and they were Coopers.

920
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:20,280
They, you know, most British people have names that describe their job and location.

921
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:21,280
Yeah.

922
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,280
What did Smith do?

923
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,280
I don't know.

924
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:24,280
Take a wild guess.

925
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:25,280
Yes.

926
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:32,160
Most of the, like I say, every British name because it's English, it's just the descriptor

927
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:40,560
of what they did or what they did and their location, which is a lot of it too.

928
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:47,980
So I think, but yeah, I think just to kind of like bring it back, Dune, the newest Dune

929
00:50:47,980 --> 00:50:49,620
did that the right way.

930
00:50:49,620 --> 00:50:51,840
You want to have, be a little more inclusive.

931
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,640
You've got all of space, all of humanity.

932
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:59,920
Basically, you've got people that, you know, modified themselves certain ways they can

933
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:04,600
only live in, you know, tanks of water or something like that, but they're still started

934
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:10,320
out as human kind of, and you know, we're generations and generations beyond leaving

935
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:11,320
earth.

936
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:17,120
Well, people criticize Frank Herbert for not having computers because they considered a

937
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:24,880
cop out because of course you make a universe with no computers and now you're no longer

938
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,800
beholden to current technologies.

939
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,880
So it's an aid in many ways.

940
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:35,800
But that was the whole point of the Butlerian Jihad, was that the AI became sentient or

941
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,720
something and stuff.

942
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:43,240
And so they only kind of hint at it, you know, in the first three books.

943
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:47,040
I think in the second book, they talk a little bit more about it because they, well, spoiler

944
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,920
alert again, I guess they bring back Duncan, Idaho from the dead.

945
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:59,240
But it's this crazy kind of like group of people and they reanimate dead flesh and they

946
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:03,920
give them their own, their own crazy like robotic eyes.

947
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:12,400
But it's like just, just enough to not fall prey to the universal rule that we don't have

948
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,400
computers.

949
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:14,400
But that's why they have Mentats.

950
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,720
They're the human computers.

951
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:21,440
So they've trained humans to behave like computers.

952
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,840
And I think it's very, very interesting.

953
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,040
And I don't think it's a cop out at all.

954
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:30,600
I think it's, it's, you know, and then actually, you know, that's why I think his son wrote

955
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,720
those three books about that Jihad because it probably, you know, gives a lot more meat

956
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:37,160
to that storyline.

957
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,320
So I think it's fascinating.

958
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,320
And I would say kudos to Frank.

959
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:43,360
Right.

960
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:50,860
And that's where the only reason why Salia Kynes gender swap makes a problem is that

961
00:52:50,860 --> 00:52:55,760
in the Dune universe, the Benedjesserts are like the breeders of the superhuman program.

962
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:56,760
Yes.

963
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,040
And women hold the keys to that.

964
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:03,240
So women have certain power that the men don't have.

965
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:10,160
And the men, the women are largely not involved with the politics of planetary bullshit because

966
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,520
all of the upper class women are involved with the breeding program.

967
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:14,520
Yeah.

968
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,840
Well, they don't need to be because they have the true power.

969
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,000
Basically, they have the power that like the real power.

970
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,000
Yeah.

971
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,800
Because all these men have to have to take Benedjessert wives.

972
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:26,800
Yes.

973
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:32,560
So, yeah, they're the ones that are controlling who is in charge.

974
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:38,480
They're not in charge, but they're controlling who is in charge.

975
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:44,200
So when they can use the voice so they can kind of control, they can manipulate.

976
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:45,200
Yes.

977
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:50,480
So I'm near the end of this cigar, by the way.

978
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:51,560
Yeah, me too.

979
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:52,560
I like it.

980
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,600
It's very, it's good.

981
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:55,600
Yeah.

982
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,600
Very pleasant smoke.

983
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,800
I don't think that it's gonna knock anybody's socks off necessarily, but it's very pleasant.

984
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,720
No, yeah, it's not.

985
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:12,360
It's not going on my short list of, you know, favorite smokes, but it's a solid cigar.

986
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:13,360
You know, it tastes like more.

987
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,360
I can tell you that.

988
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,040
Yeah, that it does.

989
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,040
So there we go.

990
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,720
Yeah, I like the way they did the voice in the new Dune movie.

991
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:25,720
I agree.

992
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:27,760
Yeah, it wasn't too cheesy.

993
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:33,360
No, and, you know, I don't, it's very, and the way they do the voice in the book, the

994
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:39,600
way Frank writes it, I think is very, very subtle.

995
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,280
You know, more subtle than they did it in the movie, but if they did it more subtle

996
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:47,640
in the movie, you wouldn't, you as the viewer wouldn't know when they were doing it because

997
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:52,880
in the book it's kind of like, you know, Lady Jessica, she, you know, she's like, I, you

998
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:58,180
know, I pitched my voice to highlight this feeling and that feeling, and then she speaks,

999
00:54:58,180 --> 00:55:00,040
you know.

1000
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:04,320
So you as the reader know because he gave you that clue, but he never really kind of

1001
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,200
explained how it sounds.

1002
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,080
So I like the way they did it in the movie because it gives you that this is something

1003
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:17,600
that the person can't fight against or can't rebel against.

1004
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,400
Right.

1005
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,400
So I thought that was well done.

1006
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,920
I think I'm sure that they'll explore the witches of the Bene Gesserit more.

1007
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,920
Oh, they have to in part two.

1008
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,960
And that's like one of the things they, did they call them witches at any point in time?

1009
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:33,960
Oh yeah.

1010
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,800
They've been calling them witches, I think even in the first book.

1011
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:44,400
No, I'm talking about in the, oh in the movie.

1012
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:45,400
I'm not sure if they did in the movie.

1013
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,600
I know in the book, like whenever somebody gets mad at a Bene Gesserit, they're like,

1014
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,600
you're a Bene Gesserit witch.

1015
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:51,600
Oh yeah.

1016
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:57,360
And in the Dewan universe, everybody is consciously aware that these women are like, see, they're

1017
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:58,360
running the show.

1018
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:04,880
Yeah, they're running the show and there's nothing they can do about it because of the

1019
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,200
way that their political system works.

1020
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,200
They have to.

1021
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,200
Yeah.

1022
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,200
And you know what?

1023
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:16,100
They're almost like classified, I think, I think they're classified as like a religion

1024
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:17,400
in the Dewan universe.

1025
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:22,200
And they have kind of those special protections where nobody can really go in and kind of

1026
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,200
tell them what to do.

1027
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,440
They just get to do what they want to do.

1028
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:26,440
Right.

1029
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,640
Cause they're the ones, I think they're the ones that have the truth sayers too, right?

1030
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,240
Like they're the Bene Gesserit truth sayers.

1031
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:38,560
They kind of control the courts because if you're in power and you want the truth out

1032
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,760
of somebody, you bring in a truth sayer and guess what?

1033
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,160
That's a Bene Gesserit.

1034
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,160
So yeah.

1035
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:50,840
Well, like I say, every major political organization is ran by a man, but that man's wife and that

1036
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,400
all that man's daughters are part of the Bene Gesserit order.

1037
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:55,400
Yeah.

1038
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,680
And you know, we didn't see, well in the movie anyway, and I don't think in the book, well

1039
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:07,920
actually, you know, in the book, Baron Arkanin, he was like banging little boys and stuff.

1040
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,000
Like he brought in like a little boy that looked like Paul in the book.

1041
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:15,240
And that was like, gave me the huge.

1042
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:18,200
So I don't know that he was ever married to a Bene Gesserit.

1043
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:24,560
He didn't have any, he didn't have any offspring, but he's got like a nephew or something.

1044
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,080
He did in fact have offspring.

1045
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:28,080
Okay.

1046
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,080
Yes.

1047
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:30,880
I guess I didn't spoil your alert to you, I guess.

1048
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:31,880
Oh yeah.

1049
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:32,880
Yeah.

1050
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:33,880
I mean, it's fine.

1051
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,400
Like there's so many Dune books that by the time I get to the Arkanin family book, I will

1052
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,400
have forgotten.

1053
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:40,400
So yes, yeah.

1054
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,360
He did in fact have offspring, but the Bene Gesserit women can also decide whether they

1055
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:46,840
have boys or girls.

1056
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:47,840
Okay.

1057
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,520
Internally, they have control over their bodies to the point in the books where they get boys

1058
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,520
or girls or not get pregnant or get pregnant.

1059
00:57:55,520 --> 00:58:00,160
And they even said that, well, they hinted at it in the Dune movie and in the first Dune

1060
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:05,960
book they did too, where because Lady Jessica went against the Bene Gesserit edict to not

1061
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:06,960
have a boy.

1062
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:07,960
Yes.

1063
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:08,960
Well, she was a heretic.

1064
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:09,960
So yes.

1065
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:10,960
Yes.

1066
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,720
So I think that's interesting.

1067
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:19,400
And I think that's what I'm most excited about because I think, you know, after the first

1068
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:25,360
Dune book and maybe even after, you know, Dune Messiah, it gets really into, I think,

1069
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,760
from what I've kind of heard, and I haven't tried to read too much about like the Dune

1070
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:34,920
series other than should I get these last two that Frank's son and partner wrote to

1071
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:43,080
finish up his storyline, but that they kind of get into kind of church, church for state,

1072
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,760
a lot of politics and religion.

1073
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,840
And I think that'll be really interesting.

1074
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,240
Like I'm really liking Children of Dune and I've got, I don't know, I don't know how much

1075
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,640
left I've got to be 75% done, you know, or more with the books.

1076
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,240
So I've been liking it so far.

1077
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:10,240
Yeah, it's like you said, I enjoy it, but it's not for everybody.

1078
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,240
Just like anything else.

1079
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,240
Not for everybody.

1080
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,240
Yeah.

1081
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,680
But that's what it comes down to.

1082
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,640
And you even said it, like if you don't, if Star Wars makes you angry, don't watch any

1083
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:20,640
new Star Wars.

1084
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:21,720
Watch the Star Wars you like.

1085
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,960
You don't have to watch everything ever created about Star Wars.

1086
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,000
And the same with Star Trek and same with Terminator.

1087
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,840
You know, I'll watch Terminator and Terminator 2 and then that's where I stop.

1088
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,080
That's all the Terminators I need to see.

1089
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,320
Right.

1090
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:41,520
It does make me disappointed that I'm not watching Star Trek anymore because it's just

1091
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,920
not, it's just not the same anymore.

1092
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,240
But life moves on, right?

1093
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:48,240
Life moves on.

1094
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:54,440
I was watching Star Trek and now I'm reading Dune and I'm enjoying the extended Dune universe

1095
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:55,440
and that's good.

1096
00:59:55,440 --> 01:00:01,360
There's more books than I can ever read in a lifetime and there's definitely more TV

1097
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:02,720
than anybody can ever watch.

1098
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,000
It's just the way things are.

1099
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,720
Well, and you know, franchises that you enjoy.

1100
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,400
Like you loaned me that Ahsoka book and that was great.

1101
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,080
You know, franchises you enjoy, there's still a ton of Star Wars books out there, even though

1102
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,720
Disney made them not canon, despite what George Lucas said.

1103
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:21,760
But you know what?

1104
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,220
You don't need Disney to tell you that you can or can't enjoy a Star Wars book that somebody

1105
01:00:25,220 --> 01:00:26,220
else wrote.

1106
01:00:26,220 --> 01:00:27,220
Right.

1107
01:00:27,220 --> 01:00:29,320
It's only a nonsense anyway.

1108
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:30,320
So yeah.

1109
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,360
And I really enjoy Alien and Aliens.

1110
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:40,080
Alien 3 is not good and Alien 4 is absolute trash and whatever Ridley Scott's doing with

1111
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,360
Prometheus and Alien Covenant is absolute trash.

1112
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:49,840
But my buddy said, hey, you got to read this Alien series written by this dude and his

1113
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,240
daughter and I read it and you know what?

1114
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,840
They continued on Newt and Hicks, but they had to call them something different because

1115
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,560
they didn't have the copyright to use those names.

1116
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,240
And all you had to do in your brain was say, hey, this is Hicks, this is Newt.

1117
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:08,800
And it's a phenomenal three, you know, trilogy continuing their story and it has almost nothing

1118
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,640
to do with Ripley.

1119
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:11,640
But it's great.

1120
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,920
And there's a whole bunch of stuff like that out there for any franchise you could ever

1121
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,600
possibly want.

1122
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,720
And you don't have to like the stuff that's officially recognized.

1123
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,240
You don't have to say, well, I can't read that because Ridley Scott said that that's

1124
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:23,960
not really how it goes.

1125
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:24,960
Right.

1126
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,600
Well, like the latest Fantastic Beasts movie.

1127
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,960
I haven't watched it and I'm not going to.

1128
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:36,080
And we are of the age to where I loved Harry Potter growing up.

1129
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:37,160
I read all the books.

1130
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:41,600
I was one of those people that bought them early and all that crap.

1131
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,760
And you know, I didn't like all the movies.

1132
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,680
I didn't like all the movies, but

1133
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,880
So my first exposure to Harry Potter was in college.

1134
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,840
And my girlfriend at the time was huge into it.

1135
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,240
And she made me watch like the first two Harry Potter movies.

1136
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,080
And I said, these are absolute trash.

1137
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,080
And I refuse.

1138
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:02,920
And then somebody said, well, have you read the books?

1139
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,040
And I said, no, because the movies are so bad.

1140
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:06,920
And they're like, well, read the books.

1141
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:12,360
And then in college, I read all the books and I loved it except for the last chapter,

1142
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:16,240
the last book, because I don't want Harry Potter to be like an accountant or whatever

1143
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,240
he was.

1144
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:18,240
Right.

1145
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,880
Like the greatest wizard who ever lived of all time is an accountant or something like,

1146
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,880
no, that's dumb.

1147
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,800
And then Sarah and I, we just watched the movies because they did that reunion special.

1148
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,040
We watched that and they were telling all these funny stories.

1149
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,360
And so we were like, hey, we should just watch the movies again.

1150
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,640
And I was like, yeah, I've only seen like the first two and we watched them.

1151
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:38,920
And actually I liked all of them.

1152
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:39,920
I liked all of them.

1153
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,720
They're all, they're all pretty good.

1154
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:47,280
And the way they did the end ending of the last movie was so much better than how J.K.

1155
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:55,120
Rowling ended her last book because it was just the, it was just Ron, Harry and no, not

1156
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:56,120
Ron and Harry.

1157
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:57,120
Oh yeah.

1158
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:02,840
Harry, Ron and Hermione bringing their kids to the station.

1159
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,280
And you never knew what they actually did for a profession.

1160
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,040
And you didn't know that they all like started to lead sad and depressing lives like the

1161
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,360
rest of us.

1162
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:17,640
But well, I think Harry was basically a mid-level bureaucrat at the horror's office.

1163
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:18,640
Yeah, whatever.

1164
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:23,400
But I mean, it's like, he's the greatest wizard ever of all time is what the books made him

1165
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,440
out to be until the last chapter.

1166
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:30,320
And then it's like, now he's just a paper pusher.

1167
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,000
So I liked how the movie did it because they didn't go into what they were doing with their

1168
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,000
lives.

1169
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:35,000
It was just, they're dropping their kids off.

1170
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,000
Great.

1171
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,000
They're continuing the thing.

1172
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,640
Harry could still be off doing crazy adventures.

1173
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,200
We don't know.

1174
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:42,200
The mystery.

1175
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:43,200
You liked the mystery.

1176
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:44,200
Yes.

1177
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,680
I don't need to know sometimes like the solo Han Solo movie.

1178
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,120
I don't need to know what he did.

1179
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,120
I like not knowing.

1180
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:53,120
Absolutely.

1181
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,240
That's part of the character too.

1182
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,880
He's supposed to be like the man with no name when he shows up.

1183
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:00,880
Yes.

1184
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:05,240
And very much the rogue and kind of anti-hero.

1185
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,520
And Han Solo did shoot first, just so everybody knows.

1186
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:09,520
Yes.

1187
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:10,520
So everyone's clear.

1188
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,720
And there was no CGI comically smaller version of Jabba the Hutt wiggling around the hangar

1189
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:15,720
bay.

1190
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,720
No, no, there was not.

1191
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:24,160
Oh my God.

1192
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:25,160
Yeah.

1193
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:32,400
So I think an interesting episode, hopefully you, the listener also thinks so.

1194
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,960
I like that we talked about dirty bullshit.

1195
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:35,960
Yeah.

1196
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:36,960
Well, you know what?

1197
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,000
Some of the topics and some of the things we've talked about have been pretty heavy

1198
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:46,240
hitting and divisive.

1199
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:52,600
So I think it's good to talk about something that has absolutely no controversy around

1200
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:59,040
it like Star Wars and Star Trek and fan favorite franchises.

1201
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,440
That's all stuff we can all agree on, I think.

1202
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:02,440
Right.

1203
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,080
I've heard, what the hell was it?

1204
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:10,000
Star Wars fan base is the most toxic fan base on the internet or some bullshit like that.

1205
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,320
Yeah.

1206
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:16,520
That's just something Disney says when people don't like that they're lazy about their stories.

1207
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,160
Yeah.

1208
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:22,560
It's like, obviously these people are not old enough to have been to the original storm

1209
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:23,560
front.

1210
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:34,120
For those who don't know, you don't want to know, but yeah, we will not be saying the

1211
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:39,480
words that are related to the original storm front, but you can Google it.

1212
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:40,480
You can Google it.

1213
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,920
It is, I'm sure they have it on the way back machine.

1214
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,400
Yes.

1215
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,160
So anyways, this car was good.

1216
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:50,160
I liked the cigar.

1217
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:51,160
Yeah.

1218
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,600
I liked this one as well.

1219
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:59,120
Nothing overly pro or con about it.

1220
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,600
It was tasty.

1221
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:10,880
Not tasty in a super distinct way where I would associate with anything, but very, very

1222
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,440
good.

1223
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,720
And I would definitely smoke another one.

1224
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:17,720
Yeah.

1225
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,800
I would, if somebody hands you one, I would definitely smoke it.

1226
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:27,320
And if you're looking for something to, you know, sit down and shoot the breeze and enjoy

1227
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:32,600
your smoke, it's a good choice.

1228
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:33,600
Yes indeed.

1229
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:40,240
Well, as always, thanks for listening.

1230
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,040
Have a happy 4th of July in the past.

1231
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:44,040
Yes.

1232
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,800
Think back to two weeks ago.

1233
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:53,400
Hopefully your heartbreak and whatever nasty shit you did, you'll get over.

1234
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:54,520
Yes.

1235
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,040
And hopefully you drank some Natterdays.

1236
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:58,480
Yes.

1237
01:06:58,480 --> 01:06:59,480
Something like that.

1238
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:00,480
All right.

1239
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:01,480
We'll catch you next episode.

1240
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:02,480
Have a good day.

1241
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:13,600
Have a good day.