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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Nate.

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I'm Mike.

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This is our second to last CAO flavors episode.

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But it's the last new flavor we'll be trying.

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This is the Cherry Bomb.

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Smells fantastic.

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And it tasted fantastic when I was wetting it to cut.

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Man is this going to be like the new best thing or is this going to be...

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Is it going to be the new Moon Trance?

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We'll find out.

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So quick recap.

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Moon Trance as of last episode was still number one.

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And the Gold Honey was a number two choice.

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So we'll see if this Cherry Bomb can dethrone it.

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I'm going to guess no.

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But I shouldn't prejudge.

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Yeah, the first few puffs are very, very interesting.

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We'll see.

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That definitely has a cherry flavor.

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Yes.

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Yes, cherry flavor.

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I think the Tobacco is better quality than the Gold Honey.

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Just initially.

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Initial thoughts.

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Yeah, I'm feeling the wrapper.

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It's still a little loose for my liking.

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But I still think it's better than the Honey.

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And the wrapper's a little darker.

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Yeah, nothing overly offensive the first few puffs.

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About a quarter inch in.

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Nothing overly phenomenal, but nothing overly offensive either.

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So we'll see how it turns out.

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No, it's got that cherry tobacco flavor.

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But I actually taste it.

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Yes, I taste it too.

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This is the most I've tasted the flavor this early, I think.

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Outside of maybe the Moon Trance.

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Because the Moon Trance is consistent throughout.

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But the other ones, even the Honey, took about halfway through the cigar.

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To get the Honey flavor.

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Right.

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Well, that Moon Trance is lightning in a bottle.

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Yeah, yep.

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So.

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And I think now having smoked, well, with this one, it will be all of them.

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I think it is fair to say the Moon Trance is lightning in a bottle.

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But we'll see how we feel at the end of this one.

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To see if they captured it twice, or if they just came close.

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Yes.

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So what are we going to talk about today?

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Well, I thought we were going to talk about our solution to the gun loss of front school

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shootings.

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Yes, that's what I thought we were going to talk about as well.

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Do you have an opinion about that?

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I do.

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I strongly dislike the narrative that is talked about in the media.

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I dislike the narrative as well.

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I disagree with any of the solutions that anybody in the mainstream media has.

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Nope.

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Me either.

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At all.

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I don't think that prayer is effective.

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You don't think prayer is effective?

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Yeah, I don't think prayer is effective.

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I don't think doing nothing is the solution.

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I don't think banning firearms is the solution, right?

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Yes.

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The talk of extended magazines is stupid because you can make them.

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The people that conflate semi-automatic sporting rifles with assault rifles because of the

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plastics that are on them are stupid.

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Yep, exactly.

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There's no mainstream narrative that I agree with because most of the mainstream narrative

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is not informed about firearms.

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Yes.

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Do you want my thoughts first or do you want to give your thoughts first?

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Oh no, you go right ahead.

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Oh, I mean, I don't care either way.

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I think mine is more easy to implement than yours.

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I don't know though because I don't think we talked about it.

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Here's my solution or my thoughts, I guess.

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Up front, I read an article from, I don't know, it was a medical journal and they were

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talking about mass shootings and mental health.

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What they said was that mass shootings, there's not enough statistically speaking.

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One is too many, right?

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For statistics and to be able to draw conclusions and the causation arguments, there's not enough

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of them to directly link mental health issues with school shootings.

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So that's one.

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Two, this article also said to put that burden on therapists was unreasonable and for a lot

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of the same reasons we talked about last episode where having all teachers carry firearms was

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unreasonable.

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That's not their purview.

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That's not their role.

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That's not their purpose.

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No.

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Yes.

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The thing that this article concluded with, this medical journal concluded with was that

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the discord between pro and anti-gun was maybe the real issue, the real barrier to reaching

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a solution.

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There are some people who when you say gun control, they do the knee jerk, you can't

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take my guns.

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Or there's some people where they say, gun control and they say, we shouldn't have any

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guns.

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But it's those extremes, those polar opposites that are preventing logical and some kind

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of solution that actually works or would work.

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And so my thought was then, because reading this one about the Texas shooting here, he

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posted.

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He said, and it might've been a private message, but it doesn't matter.

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He was using some social media app.

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Okay.

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And he said, I'm going to shoot my grandma.

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And then he shot his grandma in the face.

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And then he posted or messaged, I shot my grandma in the face.

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I'm going to go shoot up a school.

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And then he went and shot up a school.

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Okay.

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And a lot of other school shooters have done similar things with social media or messaging.

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And if I were to, in my home, we've got a couple Amazon units that play us music and

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control some smart bulbs and things.

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But if I'm sitting in my home and I say, Hey, I'd really like a, let's just say a Swedish

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made penis pump.

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All of a sudden on my phone, every ad that I see is going to be for a Swedish made penis

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pump.

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Okay.

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It's just going to happen.

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If I Google Swedish made penis pump even once, that's all I get for years is emails about

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Swedish made penis pumps.

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And I'm just picking something ridiculous.

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Okay.

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Like I'm not pro or against Swedish made penis pumps.

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But that's just the nature of our consumer society is if you mention or search or express

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interest in any way, shape or form about something, you get all of these targeted ads.

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And I don't think anyone could sit here and dispute me.

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Like yes, you can use a VPN and yes, you can use incognito mode and yes, you can, you know,

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hide your things.

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But the fact of the matter remains is if you post something on Facebook or Twitter or Instagram

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or Tik Tok, it's all marketing for them.

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They've got the algorithms.

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They just, it automatically happens in the background.

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They find your interests and they market to you.

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So that's, that's number one.

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Number two is all of these shooters or most of them have used some form of social media

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or messaging.

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And I understand that Apple has end to end encryption on their, on their text messages

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and WhatsApp has an end encryption and a lot of these places use an end encryption, but

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the end to end encryption doesn't stop them from marketing to you based on things that

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you might be interested in.

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So there's nothing to say that these companies couldn't put an algorithm in place that says

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if a user says they just shot somebody, uh, flag it, report it, have some human look at

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it within 45 seconds, within a minute, within five minutes, you know, these places have

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call centers.

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They've got tech help desks that are 24 seven.

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They've got these people, they've got the staff.

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They've got the data.

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That's all they do.

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They don't care about social media platform.

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They don't care about social media at all.

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They care about data aggregation.

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They care about data collection.

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They care about algorithms to sell more shit to you.

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There's no reason they couldn't put those algorithms to good use.

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There's no reason somebody should be able to shoot their grandmother and then two hours

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later shoot up a school.

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There's no reason that shit should have been reported instantly.

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That should have been instant report.

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That's my thought.

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That's my initial thought is it's not so much.

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It's a big brother aspect of that.

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I don't like it either, but it's already happening is the point.

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Oh, it's, it's, it is definitely already happening.

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You know, target knows that your daughter's pregnant before you do.

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As they say, even, even back in the day before social media was as big as it is, target was

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tracking.

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Yes.

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And apparently Evie has big thoughts on this.

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Yes, she does.

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I'm not, you know what?

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I'm not saying it's right.

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I'm not saying it's right at all.

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I'm just saying that they already use it for marketing, for consumerism.

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And if they wanted in any way, shape or form to make a positive, like why would we keep

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your data to sell you more shit?

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Maybe saving the lives of children would be a good like, but we've also saved the lives

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of kids.

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You know what I mean?

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Like, uh, I'm not saying that's like the ideal or that's what it should be, but you know

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what, we have all this data.

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That's all every company ever does.

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You know, any, any raffle you enter in a mall, they take that data and they sell it.

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They sell it.

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They sell your data.

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Uh, even a paper form that you fill out in a mall to win a, a, win a Hummer or to win

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a motorcycle.

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Um, that's all sold.

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These companies already do it.

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Anytime you sign paperwork, they collect your data.

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So ideally, would I rather have, you know, personal responsibility and training and licensing

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and other things?

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Yes, of course.

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Um, but to get the instant most instantaneous change, just put an algorithm.

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Is this person going to shoot up a school?

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You know, I mean, I know the logic will be different than that, but if you can tell when

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somebody is pregnant before they know it or before their family knows it, you can tell

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when somebody's going to shoot up a school.

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Like humans aren't that complicated.

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I'm sorry.

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Um, well, I agree with that statement.

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You can tell.

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Um, so I, you know, if you want to come after guns, come after guns, but you know what?

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Guns don't know.

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They don't know that their owner is going to do something terrible with them.

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They don't know somebody's going to steal them and do something terrible with them.

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Uh, but these big corporations and these media giants, they know everything.

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They know a lot more than you think they know.

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They know a lot more than you would ever want to think that they know.

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So that's my, um, fix it within like a week solution.

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Is it ideal?

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No, uh, but it doesn't change any gun laws.

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It doesn't change what you can or can't buy.

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It just, you know, if you're going to be an absolute idiot and post that you shot your

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grandmother and then they're going to go shoot up a school, it's going to stop you.

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And I don't think these people do it for reasons other than they want to be famous.

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They want to be the famous person that shot up something.

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And that's what algorithms, algorithms, algorithms, algorithms, um, that's a Midwestern conundrum

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right there.

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But, uh, that's what those will tell you is if they want to do it for real, if they want

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to do it for fame, uh, if they're part of these neo-Nazi groups online and they post

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about shooting up somebody, maybe take that seriously.

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Maybe report that right away.

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Um, there's already laws that are constitutionally allowable for speech.

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If you give a credible threat to somebody's life, guess what?

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That's not protected by the first amendment.

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So I don't see how this is kind of out of the purview of that.

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This is, this is very, very well within the realm of things that are already legally acceptable

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within America.

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Well, I guess that goes into free speech laws and what we think social media companies are,

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but I truly think that these companies are violating the spirit of the first amendment.

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I think they are too, but they're, but the point is they're doing it.

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And they've got all this data and nobody can stop them.

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And the government doesn't want to stop them.

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They want it to, you know, the government could if the government wanted to.

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No, because they're on the payroll.

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They're on the payroll.

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Right.

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You know, the corporations and the government are definitely acting for the benefit of both.

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Yes.

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And that's, and you know what, and I, and I will acknowledge this because, uh, my solution

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may feel like kind of a cheat, um, but I was just trying to look at our country as it is

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today and things that are already currently happening and what's the quickest and easiest

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way to stop this from happening.

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Social media knows everything.

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The phone companies, you know, Verizon, uh, T-Mobile, AT&T, Sprint, they have all your

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data.

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Um, they can flag certain things, even if it's unencrypted, they can flag certain things.

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They already do it for, for child pornography.

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Um, and that's acceptable.

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Hey, we're going to stop child pornography by if you send an underage picture to somebody

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else, you're flagged and you're reported to the FBI.

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They already do this.

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See, I'm going to say something controversial.

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I don't think that they should be monitoring your private messages at all.

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Uh, unless they get a warrant, unless the government gets a warrant, I don't think that

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they should be monitoring.

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And I don't disagree with that.

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Not actively monitoring.

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And I am not coming out as pro child pornography or whatever.

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No, and I, and I've not, and that's not how I took that.

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And you know what?

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I'm also not, I'm also not coming out as pro, uh, plotting to commit crimes of any, of any

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kind.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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Um, uh, but I do want to, I do want to clarify that, um, you know, in my ideal world, yes,

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if Verizon wants to read my text messages, uh, they will serve me with a warrant and

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then they will, you know, act in accordance to the warrant.

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And if they're looking for school shooting things and they find child pornography things,

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those child pornography things would not be admissible in a court of law because that's

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not what the warrant specified.

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Okay.

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And that's how warrants typically work is they have to specify exactly what it is they're

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looking for.

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And if they find something else, they can't just go back and say, well, we happened to

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find this, so now we're going to do a warrant for this.

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Um, you know, and so I'm very much for that.

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Uh, but it's just, there has been so much with these school shooters using social media

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to post your message.

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Um, and they already do it for child pornography and I'm not saying that that's, that, that

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that makes it okay.

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But if, you know, and, and, and we talked about this too, the government doesn't have

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a morality there to act in the best interest of the citizens, uh, regardless, irregardless

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of morality.

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And if they've deemed that monitoring messages for child pornography is best for the citizenship

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and not necessarily for morality and not for the intent of the constitution and all of

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that, there's no reason to say monitoring for school shooting activity, uh, wouldn't

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also fit under that same thing.

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Um, would I rather there be a different solution to this?

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Yes of course.

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Yes of course.

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Um, but any of us that are of our age or younger, I hope, I think, um, know that anything that

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you post or message through like Facebook, for example, it could be, um, could be Twitter,

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could be Instagram, it could be WhatsApp, it could be, uh, Tik Tok, whatever, whatever

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platform you're using, even truth network or whatever, uh, Trump has, you have to understand

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that it's not fully private.

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It is for them to monetize somehow some way, whether that's through promoting it and making

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it a featured post, or if it's through harvesting your data and serving you ads that you will

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then click on, you know, I mean, that's, I mean, they're, they're businesses for business

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reasons.

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They're not in it for the greater good.

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Um, but there's no reason they couldn't be in it for the greater good too.

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Right.

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Um, not that that's ideal and, and I get what you're saying and it makes complete sense.

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And you know, even I'm sitting here and like, why would I ever advocate for that?

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But it's already happening.

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I can't change that.

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There's nothing I can ever do to say, Hey, if I look up a penis pump, don't give me more

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ads about penis pumps.

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Like I don't want it.

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Uh, there's just no way around it.

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Somebody is listening to this out loud at their home and they have an Alexa device.

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They will probably get advertisements for Swedish penis pumps.

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I hope so.

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I have a potential.

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It's a potential that I think, I think Alexa has, um, algorithm because a lot of TV shows

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use it too.

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And I've never had my Alexa like get triggered by a TV show.

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So I think there's some sort of algorithm where it somehow knows.

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Um, I don't know how I'm very difficult to advertise to because I will get the advertisement

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that is actually, they want you to choose what the advertisement is.

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Have you ever seen that before?

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And uh, I get those a lot, a lot.

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They don't know what to do because I'm not buying products that are paying for advertising,

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you know, uh, storm bowling is not paying for advertising on YouTube TV, right?

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They're just not.

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Yeah.

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And if they are, it's during a bowling program.

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Uh, and then that's easy.

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But you know what else is YouTube is taking that data and they're probably soliciting.

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If they get enough people that fit your profile, they might go and solicit storm bowling to

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sponsor an advertisement.

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They might say, we have X number of listeners or viewers that we think would, you know,

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convert, convert your ad to money in your pocket.

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So I mean, there's, there's that too.

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I mean, I'm just saying like, it is a crazy insane amount of data that these companies

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have.

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That's, that's the only thing I'm saying.

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I've seen a bowling, uh, this is just, I know this is a total aside.

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I've seen Bolero and, uh, like Bolt, like Kaggle, like the big companies that own bowling

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centers advertise in the last decade.

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Yeah.

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But I have not legitimately seen a bowling ball company advertise in the last decade.

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I think that a lot of it is so performance driven now, uh, that, uh, there's so much intensive

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research that they know they already have their market.

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You know what I mean?

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Like they don't need to advertise so much as inform their customer.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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But even, um, even YouTube with as much money as they make, they still have to find new

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advertisers.

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That's true.

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You know, and I'm not saying they're, they're actually going out and soliciting these bowling

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ball companies, but they have their own algorithms based on what people watch.

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And I'm sure they take all of this data.

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You know what they do?

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They ship it over to their sales department and their sales department has all these cold

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calls that they have to do.

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And they say, Hey, look, we've got X number of viewers that are watching this or they're

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doing this.

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And we think that fits with your industry.

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Do you think that fits with your product?

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And they're going out and trying to find more advertisers.

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So you know, I mean, I'm just saying that these people are collecting all this data

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anyway.

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We get North Dakota on our television.

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We get North Dakota ads all the time.

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Yeah.

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Because I bought my TV in North Dakota, I think.

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And they think that maybe I'm from North Dakota or I live in North Dakota.

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Possibly.

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I know that it'll reset to North Dakota, my location, you know, when they do the G location.

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And I don't know why.

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So that's well, and that's like spyware that they put baked into the TV.

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You know what I mean?

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Like they pre-program that.

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And so it's like that happens at all levels.

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Every everything you ever possibly buy, if it's got a computer chip in it, it's got a

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default something or something.

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So they know where it was sold.

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You know, you know, general home regions either ever.

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I get Toyota, Honda, Ford and Chevy ads and I never get Dodge advertisements, but I talked

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so much shit about Dodge.

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They're listening.

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I know they're listening.

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They have to.

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I mean, that's the whole point.

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I know they are.

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Is like, even if it's illegal, they're still doing it and there's no way to prove it really.

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And there's, you know, if you say, Hey, I think you're listening to me.

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You know what they would say?

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Well, you're just paranoid.

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But they could use that.

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But there's, they're uploading data packets from your cell phone.

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Yeah.

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You know, I mean, you can like, you know what, if you're technologically advanced enough,

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you can prove it.

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I'm not saying you can't prove it.

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Really?

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Like I'm just saying like, you know, I'm tech, I'm technologically savvy and I just, I don't

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have the energy or effort to try and prove it one.

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And then to try and like to take it to court and pay lawyers for hours upon hours upon

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hours.

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Like I don't have the same money that these tech companies have.

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Like, it's just not reasonable.

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It's not feasible for one single person to come in and say, Hey, you're, you're stealing

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my data.

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It's illegal.

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Don't do it.

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It's just not going to happen.

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Anybody with the resources to do that would be co-opted into the organization.

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Yes, of course.

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And but you know, the point is they're doing it anyway and they're doing it for evil for

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most, most, most parts, except for child pornography and, and maybe some human trafficking.

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But there's no reason then that they couldn't just say, you know what, we're terrible companies.

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And really the only thing we have going for us is we caught like one child pornographer.

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What if we turned on an algorithm for school shooting and we could bring that to our, to

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our board or to the media and say, look, we've, we've saved, you know, all of these, we've

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stopped all, we've thwarted all of these school shooters.

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And that's not to say that they would get the same punishment they would if, as if they

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actually had shot up a school, but maybe they would get help and maybe they would get treatment

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and maybe they would get what they needed to not shoot up a school.

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And maybe they wouldn't, you know, within like certain ideological boundaries, you know,

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like the right libertarian groups would probably be more okay with that than something like

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my solution.

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Well let's talk about your solution.

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I just wanted to say, yeah.

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I mean, I just wanted to figure out something like quick and easy and something that's already

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happening and you just like, you, you make a few like keystrokes and then boom, you've

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got an algorithm for school shooters and then you report those people the same way you do

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with child pornographers.

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Right.

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And then that's easy.

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It's done.

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It's done.

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It's done.

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Um, because most of these people have, have interfaced with social media in a way, shape

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or form to tell people what they were doing.

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They're, they've been radicalized by these, these groups.

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Um, oh, there is definitely, there's always going to be little signals, you know, as they

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say that something's not quite right.

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Uh, so right before we get into your solution, which will be part, you know, the second half

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of this episode, I think I'm about halfway done with this.

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I am more than halfway done.

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Okay.

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I, you know, I'm, you know what?

460
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I've liked it too.

461
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I think I still prefer the moon trance, but I definitely think this, I think this dethrones

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the gold honey.

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This has got to be the, this has to be their number two.

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About halfway through the cherry flavor has left like that sweet, uh, what do you call

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that?

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Syrupy flavor.

467
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Yeah.

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The, uh, the maraschino.

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Sweet.

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Yeah.

471
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Like it's very sweet.

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Yep.

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And there's like a very slight cherry undertone.

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The first half was a very strong cherry flavor.

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So far, I don't know.

476
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I think the first half was better so far, but we'll see how it goes.

477
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I'm on the second half and I like it still, but the cherry is calmed down a lot.

478
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Yeah.

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It's very sweet though.

480
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And that's what I want out of a flavored cigar anyway.

481
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Yeah.

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You know, kind of a sweet, smooth experience.

483
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Um, so, but yeah, so far this is definitely second best.

484
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Yeah.

485
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So we've done a point check, uh, and now we're going to hear Mike's controversial solution

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to school shootings.

487
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Sure.

488
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Uh, so if you just, if you're just tuning in, oh wait, this isn't live radio, uh, but if

489
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you're just tuning in, welcome, you're about to hear some shit.

490
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Yes.

491
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Uh, this idea I've only heard floated around in the mainstream media in the last couple

492
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,280
weeks by Bill Burr, who's a fucking comedian.

493
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,280
Yeah.

494
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:44,480
And there's been some people who have addressed his comments, but this is an idea that has

495
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:49,040
been around in gun circles, uh, since I've been in gun circles.

496
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,840
Is that like a drum circle?

497
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,560
Yeah, kind of, right?

498
00:27:53,560 --> 00:28:00,120
Uh, there was actually, uh, a guy that was a big time, uh, U S pistol shooting association

499
00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:07,360
guy who, uh, really turned me onto this idea, uh, cause I shot in the U S pistol shooting

500
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,600
association leagues, uh, for a little while.

501
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,760
I'm not like a huge, uh, person in there or whatever.

502
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,160
I'm not, I'm not involved anymore, but I I've done it.

503
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,160
Yeah.

504
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:25,880
And, uh, we basically need to get gun rights groups and gun rights groups adjacent, uh,

505
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:33,720
altogether with some of the, um, shooter at her victim advocacy groups.

506
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:41,400
And we need to draft comprehensive legislation that would create a logical licensing system

507
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,640
for firearms.

508
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:49,380
And uh, I'm talking the reason why I say we need, we need to have the U S pistol shooting

509
00:28:49,380 --> 00:28:52,680
association and the NRA and ducks unlimited.

510
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:58,400
Well, I think you're confusing, you're confusing the NRA with a gun, straight advocacy group

511
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,720
because that's how they are.

512
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,720
Yeah, I know.

513
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,800
I mean, I'm not a member of the NRA.

514
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:09,640
I heavily criticize their decision making, but there's what is the U S gun, blah, blah,

515
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:10,640
blah.

516
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:11,640
There's another gun rights organization.

517
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,000
That's a lot more legitimate.

518
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,000
Yeah.

519
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,000
Yep.

520
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,000
Yep.

521
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,000
Yep.

522
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,000
Uh, U S gun owners, I think is what it's called.

523
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,000
U S gun owners.

524
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,000
Yeah.

525
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,000
Yeah.

526
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,280
Uh, and pheasants forever and you know, stuff like that.

527
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,660
And then you need to get like whoever the hell the organization is who wants to ban guns

528
00:29:26,660 --> 00:29:35,200
together and you got to have a licensing system generated by people who actually know firearms.

529
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,040
You know, we need knowledgeable people to be doing it.

530
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,520
Otherwise it just won't, it won't function.

531
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,520
Yeah.

532
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,200
You can't be showing people here.

533
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,280
Here's my 10 22 Ruger and having them say, well, that's an AR 15.

534
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,280
That's right.

535
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,280
Steve Crowder, right?

536
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,280
That's a good guy.

537
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,720
Uh, I actually liked that video.

538
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,040
I think it's cool, but I do.

539
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,800
It points out to people that they're, they're dumb.

540
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:07,520
But uh, like, and I, I mean, like I had advanced licensing system, kind of like, uh, Minnesota,

541
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,360
you have to have an endorsement for everything.

542
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:15,680
If you want to have, you know, I have a driver's license, you have a driver's license.

543
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:21,120
If I want to run a four wheeler on a public trail, I need a four wheeler endorsement.

544
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:26,480
So I have to do the class and it's all online and I just write the test and it's not in

545
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,480
person for it.

546
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,800
Or, you know, and you just do it because it's not that dangerous.

547
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:32,800
You know what?

548
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:33,800
Let's compare apples to apples.

549
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:34,800
It's the same thing.

550
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,800
Sure.

551
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:36,800
Yeah.

552
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:37,800
Let's compare apples to apples.

553
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:44,280
Let's, let's like, uh, cut through the shit here and just say, if I want to buy a gun,

554
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,280
I can go buy a gun at, uh, at 12.

555
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,280
Okay.

556
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,800
No, it'd be 18 to buy a gun.

557
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,680
Oh, you can hunt.

558
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:54,680
Okay.

559
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,800
So that you can at 12.

560
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,920
Well, actually you can hunt at eight.

561
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:00,920
Okay.

562
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,920
Well, let's just like, let's just call it 12 just for the, for the sake of it.

563
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:11,640
Um, but if I, if my dad wants to buy me a gun at age 12, uh, he can, um, you know, I

564
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,560
guess like legally, technically it would be his gun.

565
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,800
Um, yes.

566
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,100
But if I want to go hunting, right?

567
00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:20,100
So I can have a gun.

568
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:22,000
I can shoot guns at any age.

569
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,000
Really?

570
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,800
Um, the government's not, not checking.

571
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,600
They're not, they're not saying, Hey, uh, you're buying a youth shotgun.

572
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,560
Uh, is that for you or is that for your son?

573
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,320
Like the, the gun store doesn't care.

574
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,320
They don't ask.

575
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,600
They don't ask that question.

576
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,600
You go buy a youth gun.

577
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,760
They're like, Hey, you want a youth gun?

578
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,760
Great.

579
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,760
We don't care.

580
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,680
Uh, but if I want to go hunting at 12, what do I have to do?

581
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,560
I have to sit through a class and then I have to take a test and then I have to get licensed

582
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,560
to go hunting.

583
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:54,720
Um, if I want to go, if I want to go fishing, you literally take a string, tie a hook on

584
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,360
the end and put a bait on the end of that hook.

585
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,640
I need a license for that.

586
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:06,320
If I want to go bang somebody and have unprotected sex and create children, I don't have a, I

587
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,320
don't have to have a license for that.

588
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,280
Um, if I want to drive a car or a vehicle, I need to have a license for that.

589
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,120
If I want to drink beer, um, I don't really technically need a license for that.

590
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,760
I just need proof of age.

591
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:24,280
Uh, but then to drive a car well intoxicated, I don't need a license for that either.

592
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,440
Um, so I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm not trying to, you know, whatever.

593
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,880
I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies of, of some of these things where people say,

594
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,880
well, we can't have a license for guns.

595
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:39,200
Uh, the only reason we have a license for, for driving automobiles is because the constitution

596
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,960
didn't explicitly state, uh, the right of the people to drive shall not be infringed.

597
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,520
Uh, but you know what?

598
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:50,480
We have endorsements, like you have a tanker endorsement, a bus endorsement.

599
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,800
You have air brake endorsement, you have a manual transmission endorsement.

600
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:55,800
You have-

601
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:56,800
What?

602
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,040
You have a manual transmission endorsement.

603
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,200
I drive manual and I don't, I don't have an endorsement.

604
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,560
If you have a class B or a class A or a class C license, you have to have a manual transmission

605
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:07,560
endorsement.

606
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,560
Okay.

607
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,240
So your class C license allows you to drive certain, uh, weighted vehicles.

608
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,900
And then B is even heavier.

609
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:20,500
and then A is with the trailer over a certain weight. There's all sorts of restrictions.

610
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:24,500
I'm just gonna, you know what, I'm gonna go ahead and say that I'm against driver's licenses.

611
00:33:27,860 --> 00:33:32,340
Just like, just okay, just based on, just well, let's just say based on principle,

612
00:33:32,340 --> 00:33:37,940
based on legal principle, because all rights and privileges not outlined in the constitution

613
00:33:37,940 --> 00:33:43,380
revert to the state and the individual. And I don't, you know, every state has different

614
00:33:43,380 --> 00:33:48,500
rules for the driver's licenses too. The driver's licensing system is a state thing.

615
00:33:49,780 --> 00:33:52,580
Yeah, but every state has it, so that makes it federal.

616
00:33:55,060 --> 00:33:58,660
Because how the federal government gets around it

617
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:04,260
is they'll withhold federal funding if you don't do certain things as a state.

618
00:34:05,540 --> 00:34:10,100
And that's how they ensure compliance with a lot of these things. But I don't want to,

619
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:15,540
I don't want to, yeah, and I don't want to distract from your point. I want to hear your solution.

620
00:34:15,540 --> 00:34:20,900
I just wanted to kind of do the counterpoint of licensing and the crazy things that we need

621
00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:25,620
to have licenses for versus guns. Oh, you need to have a fucking boating license.

622
00:34:26,340 --> 00:34:31,380
Yeah. I don't think you and I do because we're old enough, but people under a certain age have

623
00:34:31,380 --> 00:34:38,580
to have a license to drive a boat on the water. Okay. Wait, so how about this? How about this?

624
00:34:38,580 --> 00:34:44,580
Yes. You can drive a boat with an open beer in your hand and clearly intoxicated and nobody's

625
00:34:44,580 --> 00:34:50,100
going to give you a DUI. Yeah, but there is such a thing as a BUI, which is a boating under the

626
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:59,220
influence. There is, but it's way more relaxed. Like it's way more relaxed than a DUI. Like you

627
00:34:59,220 --> 00:35:03,140
could be driving around with a beer. They take you to jail, you pay your fine and then you...

628
00:35:03,140 --> 00:35:09,220
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He got two of them in that one weekend. Okay. So I'm just saying like there's,

629
00:35:09,220 --> 00:35:15,220
you know, a lot of inconsistencies in the licensing thing. There's a lot of weird things that we

630
00:35:15,940 --> 00:35:19,620
are currently needing to be licensed for that everybody takes for granted. Like nobody's out

631
00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:25,460
there petitioning like, I shouldn't need a license to fish. Nobody's doing that. There's no petition

632
00:35:25,460 --> 00:35:31,220
for that. Is it ridiculous? Yes. You know, do we, should we have to have a license to fish?

633
00:35:31,220 --> 00:35:38,740
I don't know. Well, it depends on the state you're in because like Wisconsin, Minnesota,

634
00:35:38,740 --> 00:35:45,700
North Dakota have massive DNR slash game and fish departments and they need revenue and their major

635
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:51,700
revenue sources through licensing. And they use that revenue to support the fish population and

636
00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:58,740
do research and they're using the money. I thought they used the money to go and bust people on the

637
00:35:58,740 --> 00:36:05,700
lake. That's bad now. Did you know that? No, I didn't. In Minnesota that's illegal. Okay.

638
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:12,020
Yeah, they can't do that anymore. Well, that's odd. So for people who don't know DNR, which is

639
00:36:12,020 --> 00:36:17,700
the game and fish people here, they used to be super cops. Department of Natural Resources. Yes.

640
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:22,740
And they could break into your house to find out if you had any game. And check your fridge or freezer.

641
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:26,900
Yeah. Yes. But they, so they used to break into ice houses that were out on the

642
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:34,260
ice or fish houses out of the ice and ransack people's fish houses when they weren't there.

643
00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:43,860
So anyway, yeah, and they can technically give you a DUI or drinking underage or

644
00:36:43,860 --> 00:36:50,020
they never harassed us with that when we were, when I was younger. Yeah. When you were 21.

645
00:36:50,020 --> 00:36:58,580
Yeah. When I was, yeah, when I was drinking, of course I was 21. But, but let's hear your

646
00:36:58,580 --> 00:37:05,060
controversial. Anyway, so the controversial thing is that we need to have a licensing system and we

647
00:37:05,060 --> 00:37:12,740
need to fundamentally as a society accept. Well, the gun people are people who know about guns.

648
00:37:12,740 --> 00:37:19,060
Like myself, I would consider myself an enthusiast. I fundamentally see different types of firearms as

649
00:37:19,060 --> 00:37:26,820
being different. I think that a muzzleloader, traditional muzzleloader should be able to be

650
00:37:26,820 --> 00:37:34,260
purchased by anybody at any age, regardless of their background or anything like that.

651
00:37:35,060 --> 00:37:38,180
And right now. That's like the worst way ever to shoot somebody.

652
00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:46,660
It is. Yeah. Or anything, you know, like it's a terrible, it's terrible. Sure. And I think that,

653
00:37:46,660 --> 00:37:50,740
you know, you should have a series of trainings and licensures and background checks.

654
00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:55,060
And your background checks should be like every two years, let's say.

655
00:37:55,060 --> 00:38:00,500
Well, and I think even for a muzzleloader. That style of firearm. Even for a muzzleloader,

656
00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:06,660
I mean, if we're talking licensing, we should have just a basic gun handling license where it's like,

657
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:10,900
don't point a loaded gun at something you don't want to hit. A basic gun handling license that

658
00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:15,940
anybody can get. And it's an online course. Yeah. And there's no age requirement, no age requirement

659
00:38:15,940 --> 00:38:22,580
just like, yeah, you pass it. If you're a fucking felon, you can go out and buy a muzzleloader.

660
00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:32,100
Yeah. I think that nonviolent felons should be able to own single action rifles and shotguns also.

661
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:38,180
Yeah. Why not? I happen to think so. That way they can hunt. Right? Hunting rights is a big issue.

662
00:38:38,180 --> 00:38:46,820
And in my world. They can hunt, you know, what for a home invasion, you need one shot. Yeah.

663
00:38:46,820 --> 00:38:52,980
I mean, a single shot is more than sufficient for most people to be honest. Yeah. And I think that

664
00:38:52,980 --> 00:38:57,700
should be if you know what you're doing. Right. You should be able to take an online class

665
00:38:58,980 --> 00:39:04,900
and pay your little fee for your background check and you have the license. And so the way they'll,

666
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:09,700
and so on and so forth. And I think they should break up pistols from long guns. And I think they

667
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:16,260
should break up repeaters that are manually operated versus semi-automatic firearms that

668
00:39:17,780 --> 00:39:24,260
reload the chamber on their own or through the action of firearm. And there's all that is

669
00:39:24,260 --> 00:39:30,020
details that could be banged out in deliberation through the process. Yeah. Well, let everybody

670
00:39:30,020 --> 00:39:37,620
else figure it out. Right. But you have to have the general gun safety first. And then. Yes.

671
00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:42,420
You would have, well, you would have a series. You'd have to have break action shotgun training

672
00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:47,380
and licensure before you can go to pump action shotgun. Yeah. I mean, that makes sense. Like,

673
00:39:47,380 --> 00:39:52,660
you should have an understanding of everything. Yes. And I don't think they should break up

674
00:39:52,660 --> 00:39:57,700
rifles from shotguns, but I do think pistols are their own thing. Oh, yeah. Any kind of pistol,

675
00:39:57,700 --> 00:40:02,980
whether single shot or not is a totally different beast. And they're totally different. Yeah.

676
00:40:02,980 --> 00:40:08,100
Single shot revolver or semi-auto pistol. It's way, way different because the barrel is so much

677
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:16,660
shorter. A single action revolver is a lot different of a gun than a semi-automatic pistol.

678
00:40:17,540 --> 00:40:23,380
Oh yeah. And a single, how about a single action revolver that has a breech load black powder.

679
00:40:23,380 --> 00:40:27,220
I mean, they still make percussion cap, you know, breech load,

680
00:40:29,140 --> 00:40:32,580
black powder pistols that you could buy the way you don't even need a background check right now.

681
00:40:32,580 --> 00:40:38,100
You can just go fucking buy them. Like you can go to the, to your local sporting goods store and

682
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:43,860
pick it up for the rack. I mean, they're not under case or anything. Yeah. But they're, you know,

683
00:40:43,860 --> 00:40:49,060
everything. Yeah. Everything is every type of firearm is different. You should have different

684
00:40:49,060 --> 00:40:55,700
trainings and different, a different level of background check, right? Different things should

685
00:40:55,700 --> 00:41:01,700
be acceptable. I don't think that people who are convicted felons should be owning semi-automatic

686
00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:08,020
firearms, but I do think they should be able to own a break action rifle that shoots one or two

687
00:41:08,020 --> 00:41:15,540
shots. Why not? I mean, non-violent, non-violent, non-violent. Yeah. Yeah. We're not talking about

688
00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:20,740
spousal abuse abusers. I'm not talking about convicted rapists. I don't think a victim should

689
00:41:20,740 --> 00:41:26,020
be getting out of jail pretty much anyway. No, that's a separate issue. But that'll be a different

690
00:41:26,020 --> 00:41:31,460
episode. So the whole point in my mind of the licensing system is that you have to renew your

691
00:41:31,460 --> 00:41:37,780
license every two years. Let's say during that renewal process, they do the background check

692
00:41:37,780 --> 00:41:44,020
that is equivalent or necessary for your level of licensure. And then when you buy a firearm,

693
00:41:44,020 --> 00:41:49,220
you show the license, there is no background check at the point of sale. The background check is done

694
00:41:49,220 --> 00:41:55,540
with the license. That way you get rid of any quote unquote gun show loophole. You get rid of

695
00:41:55,540 --> 00:42:02,420
any of that at all. You get rid of all of it. You take that responsibility off of the shop owners,

696
00:42:03,780 --> 00:42:10,260
right? So it's a win for small business. And it's a win for safety because you have to have

697
00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:16,020
a valid license. They actually at the liquor store, they scan the back of my driver's license now to

698
00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:20,740
make sure I don't have any provisions, you know, that say I can't be served alcohol.

699
00:42:23,540 --> 00:42:26,980
And it takes my date of birth into account. And there's no reason you couldn't have the

700
00:42:26,980 --> 00:42:31,940
same thing on the gun licenses. And it will show the owner of the single scan of the barcode,

701
00:42:32,660 --> 00:42:36,660
which licenses you have, I'm sorry, you want to buy a semi auto pistol, you only have semi auto

702
00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:42,340
rifle or long gun certificate certification, you can't buy this pistol. Go take your class and come

703
00:42:42,340 --> 00:42:49,940
back. And it's also a revenue stream because the police could, let's say in a certain area of the

704
00:42:49,940 --> 00:42:56,180
country, they have issues with illegal firearm sales. The police can go undercover and catch

705
00:42:56,180 --> 00:43:00,340
these guys and throw them in prison because there should be a felony to sell somebody a firearm

706
00:43:00,340 --> 00:43:05,780
they're not legally allowed to have. You know, that's the only way you can do it. That's goes

707
00:43:05,780 --> 00:43:09,780
with your licensure system. If you are selling something that they're not supposed to buy,

708
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:15,300
it needs to be a serious crime. Yeah. But what if you're on the black market and you're selling to

709
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:20,820
criminals anyway? I mean, that's a whole counter argument of people like, well, you can make more

710
00:43:20,820 --> 00:43:28,660
gun laws, but criminals are going to get guns anyway. That's where, which is true. When the

711
00:43:28,660 --> 00:43:36,500
police go to these people's homes for other offenses and they find firearms and they see that they

712
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:41,620
don't have a firearm certificate for those firearms, they can now charge them with a felony and put them

713
00:43:41,620 --> 00:43:47,300
in prison because they are in possession of a firearm. Yeah, but is that admissible in a court of law based on the

714
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:54,740
warranty you wanted with the big data? Maybe, maybe not. Right? Maybe, maybe not. So. But at least you're getting the

715
00:43:54,740 --> 00:43:59,540
guns out the street and you're now you have a target on that person. Well, and you're making it,

716
00:43:59,540 --> 00:44:05,620
you're making it very easy for people to comply with the law because it's all online stuff, right?

717
00:44:05,620 --> 00:44:10,580
It's all online training. You take a little quiz and then you've got your certificate. You've already

718
00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:16,900
done the background check as part of the licensing. So you don't have the wait times. And people who are already firearms owners,

719
00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:25,460
I already have to pass a background check to buy a firearm. Yep. I'm pretty sure that I can pass the training,

720
00:44:26,180 --> 00:44:31,540
right? It's not like the training is a one and done. You can reapply or whatever. And during that

721
00:44:31,540 --> 00:44:36,500
background check, they can maybe do some psychological testing, which is questionable. I understand that.

722
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:41,860
It's questionable. And you can beat a, you can beat a psych test online.

723
00:44:41,860 --> 00:44:45,140
I think though, here's my only gripe with your plan,

724
00:44:47,540 --> 00:44:52,340
is every two years is too frequent. I think, I think it should be the same as the concealed

725
00:44:52,340 --> 00:45:00,180
carry, which is I think five years in most states. Sure. But you know what? You know what? That's,

726
00:45:00,740 --> 00:45:08,020
that's a small little, little complaints. Okay. And if you have, if you have the gun advocacy

727
00:45:08,020 --> 00:45:13,460
groups and you have the anti-gun advocacy groups working together to come up with something

728
00:45:13,460 --> 00:45:20,580
reasonable to say, actually, Hey, you know, you know, it's more dangerous than gun violence

729
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:29,620
driving an automobile. Let's come up with something that makes sense for the realities of

730
00:45:29,620 --> 00:45:37,540
gun violence. And let's try and curb them in a reasonable way that everybody will accept as, as reasonable.

731
00:45:39,220 --> 00:45:42,580
You know, because it's not going to be, and that's the whole thing of that article that I read is the

732
00:45:42,580 --> 00:45:49,540
dichotomy, the difference between the pro-gun and the anti-gun is so huge and people are so triggered

733
00:45:49,540 --> 00:45:55,220
emotionally one way or the other. And if they could come and put their stuff aside, like you said,

734
00:45:55,220 --> 00:46:02,820
and work together and say, what actually makes sense here? What actually makes sense? Well, and

735
00:46:02,820 --> 00:46:07,940
you could come up with some really good, really good solutions that almost everybody would be

736
00:46:07,940 --> 00:46:15,620
happy with. I hear city liberals say often, especially on television, which is only on

737
00:46:15,620 --> 00:46:20,980
television, right? That we need to ban firearms and nobody needs this and that. And

738
00:46:20,980 --> 00:46:26,580
those people are just not taking into account that realistically, and I know that we've talked

739
00:46:26,580 --> 00:46:33,700
about it before, even on this program, America is an empire and there's massive differences

740
00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:41,380
between one area in a different area of the state and even more differences between one state and

741
00:46:41,380 --> 00:46:48,660
another state. You know, if I were to go fishing in the same state, I would be able to go fishing

742
00:46:48,660 --> 00:46:58,260
in Florida. I would carry some sort of kit gun to shoot snakes that were trying to get into my boat.

743
00:46:59,540 --> 00:47:07,700
They don't need to carry or have a gun at their house to shoot wolves like I do, right? Or a bear,

744
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:14,180
which we had one in the yard last night, right? So I didn't shoot it, but we had it in the yard

745
00:47:14,180 --> 00:47:18,100
last night. They don't have to worry about that problem because they don't have that animal and

746
00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:25,860
I don't need to worry about snakes. Well, and let's go to the other, because you're an average

747
00:47:25,860 --> 00:47:32,980
citizen and I'm an average citizen, but farmers get their own hunting seasons on animals that

748
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:38,900
are destructive to their crops. Okay. Absolutely. And they can sell or give away these licenses

749
00:47:39,620 --> 00:47:46,820
to avid hunters to come in and clear out these, you know, quote unquote pests that are destroying

750
00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:53,380
their crops or their livestock or whatever. And so that's already an acceptable governmental,

751
00:47:53,380 --> 00:48:00,420
acceptable, you know, hunting use or firearm use or trapping use. Absolutely. But that's already

752
00:48:00,420 --> 00:48:07,300
accepted use. So, you know, that's, and that's just, and that's just to prove that that people

753
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:12,260
that don't shoot up schools need guns to protect their livelihood. And it's not necessarily from

754
00:48:12,260 --> 00:48:19,540
the government or from Russia or from, you know, invading forces or criminals or whatever. It could

755
00:48:19,540 --> 00:48:25,140
just be the deer eat all my corn and I sell corn to live. I can't provide for my family if these

756
00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:33,220
deer are allowed to eat my corn. Absolutely. And more to the point, people say nobody needs an AR-15.

757
00:48:33,860 --> 00:48:40,580
But if you go, let's say out West where they have huge cattle ranches, those guys mostly carry AR-15s

758
00:48:40,580 --> 00:48:47,060
to shoot things like mountain lions because the ammo is cheap, they're relatively accurate,

759
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:52,580
and they shoot long enough distances for them to shoot mountain lions that are trying to harass

760
00:48:52,580 --> 00:48:58,740
their cattle. Yeah. And it's not an over expensive gun model gun frame. Right. No, it's a, it's a,

761
00:48:58,740 --> 00:49:05,540
it's a perfectly efficient thing. I have a neighbor here. He shoots on average two to three wolves a

762
00:49:05,540 --> 00:49:11,860
year because he raises long horn cattle and the wolves, when they start to get hungry, they start

763
00:49:11,860 --> 00:49:15,700
looking at his cattle and he shoots them in the middle of the day and he turns them over to the

764
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:22,420
DNR and it's perfectly legal. He's not illegally shooting them. And that's just the way it is. You

765
00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:30,500
know, you know, my uncle shot a bear on his porch the other year. Well, you had a bear on your porch

766
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:36,100
and you're 66 or 65, you're going to shoot the fucker because you don't want it. You don't want

767
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:43,860
it breaking through your, in your house. It says, you have, if you have pets or dogs or cats or,

768
00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:50,500
or anything, like you don't want it to come after them. His neighbor is his son and he's got

769
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:56,740
grandchildren around. You don't want that. Yeah. For him specifically, but yeah, these, these people

770
00:49:56,740 --> 00:50:01,140
who say that we don't need firearms to protect ourselves are living in a fantasy. Yeah. They

771
00:50:01,140 --> 00:50:06,980
don't live in the same places that we live in. No. Oh, you know, because I want protection for

772
00:50:06,980 --> 00:50:13,300
people from Minneapolis too, because, and I know this is, well, that cuts me deep. It's semi

773
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:20,100
controversial, but, uh, like the meth heads will break into people's barns and steal their shit.

774
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:25,380
Yeah. They're not from Minneapolis. They're just, they're not from Minneapolis, but if we didn't

775
00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:29,780
have firearms out here, you know, goddamn well, those gangs from Minneapolis would come up here

776
00:50:30,820 --> 00:50:37,380
and start ransacking houses. I mean, you know, that if they just had a massive firearm grab,

777
00:50:38,020 --> 00:50:44,820
you know that they would do that. They would do it in Minneapolis. Yeah. But, uh, I do the

778
00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:55,300
firearm grabs have been wildly, uh, wildly, uh, inefficient. Oh, it would, it would never happen.

779
00:50:55,300 --> 00:51:02,260
You know, and, uh, and people actually build, people actually build, uh, like home built firearms

780
00:51:02,260 --> 00:51:09,220
to get the money. And these firearms would never ever work. Uh, but they qualify under the programs,

781
00:51:09,220 --> 00:51:14,180
you know, uh, specifications. So they still aren't entitled to the money. So people, you know,

782
00:51:14,180 --> 00:51:20,100
go and just get the money and turn in completely useless, uh, you know, firearms that aren't really

783
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:25,620
firearms. So those things really never work. And, uh, you know what, if you have firearms and you

784
00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:29,220
want to get rid of them, just get rid of them. Like you don't need a government program to do it.

785
00:51:29,220 --> 00:51:32,580
Like if you're that opposed to firearms and you have them, just get rid of them.

786
00:51:33,780 --> 00:51:38,580
Like that's, that's on you. It's not on me, you know? Right. And everybody, like I say,

787
00:51:38,580 --> 00:51:43,300
everybody's living situation is different. And I've lived in major city areas, as you know,

788
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:50,420
and I've lived in a variety of rural areas. And, uh, you know, when I, when I, when I used to hike

789
00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:56,260
in the badlands, I would carry a pistol because there are mountain lions in the area. And I wanted

790
00:51:56,260 --> 00:52:01,700
to at least give myself a chance to survive a mountain lion, you know, not that I would,

791
00:52:01,700 --> 00:52:06,260
I probably, probably a fantasy to think that I would survive a mountain lion attack, but

792
00:52:06,260 --> 00:52:13,300
I just wanted to know. Well, scientifically, scientifically mountain lions attack women

793
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:18,900
and children and they don't attack men. Sure. That's good to know.

794
00:52:20,500 --> 00:52:27,460
So, you know, but that's, that's a thing too. Like if your wife or your female friend is hiking

795
00:52:27,460 --> 00:52:32,740
somewhere in mountain lion country, uh, they need to be aware that mountain lions have no qualms

796
00:52:32,740 --> 00:52:39,300
about going after a child or a woman. Um, and that's based solely on evolutionary. They go for the

797
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:44,740
smaller frame and they very rarely attack men. Uh, they, you know, there, there's been instances

798
00:52:44,740 --> 00:52:50,660
where they have, but, uh, you know, I, I remember because we went out to the red woods and that's

799
00:52:50,660 --> 00:52:57,860
mountain lion country and, um, everything they said out there was they will mostly target women

800
00:52:57,860 --> 00:53:09,380
and children. Sure. But yeah, so like I say, I don't understand why the licensing, a serious

801
00:53:09,380 --> 00:53:16,980
licensing program is not the solution. And it's not that hard. If a dumb redneck like me can think of

802
00:53:16,980 --> 00:53:26,100
a plan that would function for everyone, then I don't see how government officials, uh, can't see

803
00:53:26,100 --> 00:53:32,020
it. And I think that they do, but it's in their interest to not, because then they can sell it to

804
00:53:32,020 --> 00:53:38,020
the boaters. We're going to protect your gun rights or whatever, you know? Yeah. And you've got the

805
00:53:38,020 --> 00:53:43,300
second amendment that says, you know, the right to, to own firearms should not be infringed. I

806
00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:48,500
don't know that licensing, I don't know. For the purpose of a well regulated militia, right? Yeah.

807
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:54,020
But what? The licensing system would qualify under a well regulated. Yes, it would, it would

808
00:53:54,020 --> 00:53:58,740
qualify. And I, and I don't think a licensing system would infringe on anything because, um,

809
00:54:00,260 --> 00:54:04,100
you know, we have to be licensed for all sorts of things that should just be, you know, like,

810
00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:07,620
you know, quote unquote natural God-given rights anyway, like fishing. Um,

811
00:54:08,980 --> 00:54:12,740
like you shouldn't have to have a license to fish. I just, I cannot stress,

812
00:54:12,740 --> 00:54:15,620
you have to have a license to fish specific species of fish.

813
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:22,580
Yes. And I'm just, I just want to point out that there is, there's nothing dumber than having a

814
00:54:22,580 --> 00:54:29,140
license to catch wet, slippery, slimy, scaly fuckers from the, from the water. Um, it's just

815
00:54:29,140 --> 00:54:35,060
stupid. Right. Um, so, you know, it's not, it's not that, but you know, you need a license to hunt

816
00:54:35,060 --> 00:54:39,140
ducks. You need a license hunt pheasants. You need a license to hunt white tail deer. You need a

817
00:54:39,140 --> 00:54:43,460
license to hunt bear, to hunt turkey. Like any species you want to hunt, you need a license for.

818
00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:49,700
Um, is it, is it irresponsible to force people to have some. You have to have a special license

819
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:54,740
to trap them versus shoot them with a gun versus shoot them with a bow and arrow. You have to have

820
00:54:54,740 --> 00:54:59,700
a special license to shoot them with a bow. Yeah. And is there, is there some, any, any semblance

821
00:55:00,340 --> 00:55:04,580
of any reasonable person who would say, I don't want somebody with a gun to be well-trained?

822
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:12,740
Um, right. Well, and that's where, um, the pistol shooting circles I used to run in,

823
00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:18,100
that was their solution because that was, you know, during the school shooter crazes then,

824
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:25,540
you know, and all those pistol guys are super trained, you know, they're shooting guns as a

825
00:55:25,540 --> 00:55:31,300
hobby. They're very trained. They know how the firearms work for sure. And they definitely have

826
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:36,820
to follow safety procedures. I think where the militia thing gets confused is I don't think the

827
00:55:36,820 --> 00:55:43,300
founding fathers intended it as a supplement to the standing army. Um, I think the founding fathers

828
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:50,100
intended it as, um, people protecting themselves from the government. Right. Well, they have more

829
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:58,420
frontier there. So they more fun. They needed guns to protect themselves from wildlife. And they also

830
00:55:58,420 --> 00:56:05,940
knew had slave uprisings and they wanted people, they want to basically be able to posse up, to

831
00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:14,740
put down black people. You mean enslaved people uprisings. Yes. Yeah. And slave uprisings. No,

832
00:56:14,740 --> 00:56:21,220
enslaved people uprisings. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. We learned about the wording last episode. Yes,

833
00:56:21,220 --> 00:56:27,860
we did. Yeah. Yeah. Our words and all that. Yeah. Well, and like cattle rustlers, regardless of race.

834
00:56:27,860 --> 00:56:31,940
Okay. Like cattle rustlers. Yeah. Well, regardless of your race. And they also had,

835
00:56:31,940 --> 00:56:36,740
uh, you know, they were encroaching on native American lands and there was a lot of reasons

836
00:56:36,740 --> 00:56:42,820
to have an armed populace back in those days. And there still is today. If, if you're telling me

837
00:56:42,820 --> 00:56:49,060
you're still fighting off bears on your porch. Um, absolutely. Yeah. Well, I mean, we definitely are.

838
00:56:50,820 --> 00:56:55,860
Even as far as we've come from pioneer days, we still have a lot of similar things because guess

839
00:56:55,860 --> 00:57:03,940
what? Nature doesn't change. No, and not if you live in it, especially cause, uh, yeah, my uncle,

840
00:57:03,940 --> 00:57:11,940
he owns a 44 coal Python for back in the eighties. Uh, one of the, one of the original ones and then

841
00:57:11,940 --> 00:57:17,620
shot that bear with, he got it when he was working. I don't know what the hell he was doing, but he

842
00:57:17,620 --> 00:57:24,900
felt that he needed a coal Python for some reason. Yeah. Well, I guess instincts were right in his

843
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:29,780
case. So right. Yeah. I think that's the first thing he's ever shot with it, you know, 40 years

844
00:57:29,780 --> 00:57:40,020
later or whatever, but yeah, whatever. Well, I think, um, interestingly enough, we've had two

845
00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:47,940
radically different, uh, gun solutions, uh, here tonight. And I think both can work hand in hand.

846
00:57:49,060 --> 00:57:54,500
I agree that they could work hand in hand. I think a lot of people are quick to assume that,

847
00:57:54,500 --> 00:58:01,380
uh, you know, a school shooters have some kind of mental component to what they're doing. And I

848
00:58:01,380 --> 00:58:07,700
think that that's accurate. Um, I don't know that it would be necessarily diagnosable by a therapist.

849
00:58:08,900 --> 00:58:14,900
Um, I think people are a lot different online where they don't think people know them than they are

850
00:58:15,620 --> 00:58:20,260
with a therapist, with somebody who might, you know, quote unquote, narc on them.

851
00:58:20,260 --> 00:58:25,540
Uh, so I think there's something to be said for kind of the algorithm, but I also think that there

852
00:58:25,540 --> 00:58:33,540
is something to be said also for licensing and just ensuring responsible practices, because, uh,

853
00:58:34,020 --> 00:58:39,540
not just with firearms, but if you go to the store and you see, you know, children that are

854
00:58:39,540 --> 00:58:44,340
misbehaving in the store, in the grocery store, those aren't the parents you want teaching kids

855
00:58:44,340 --> 00:58:52,900
about responsible firearm use. You know what I mean? Like there are, there are active parents

856
00:58:53,460 --> 00:59:01,620
and there are completely disengaged parents who let, you know, uh, media and tablets and whatnot

857
00:59:01,620 --> 00:59:06,980
raise their kids. And that's not what personal responsibility is about. And that's not what

858
00:59:06,980 --> 00:59:12,980
parenting is about. Um, not to say that if you're an active parent, you're never going to have issues,

859
00:59:12,980 --> 00:59:18,980
but if you can't, if you can't have your kids understand what it is to behave out in public,

860
00:59:19,540 --> 00:59:21,860
you can't expect to teach them proper firearm etiquette.

861
00:59:23,060 --> 00:59:29,700
Right. And gosh, you know, it was obviously been years since I took firearm safety, but

862
00:59:30,260 --> 00:59:34,900
I want to say that was a month long to do that as a 11 year old or 12 year old.

863
00:59:34,900 --> 00:59:38,100
Oh yeah. I was, I think it was like one night a week for a couple of weeks.

864
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:44,500
For a couple of weeks. Yeah. It was a while. I mean, it was a lot for an 11 year old to sit through.

865
00:59:45,220 --> 00:59:55,140
Yeah. But I mean, you never shot anybody. I never shot anybody. And, uh, but Alec Baldwin did.

866
00:59:55,140 --> 00:59:59,380
He shot someone. So maybe he should have taken a firearm safety class.

867
01:00:00,580 --> 01:00:06,020
I think Alec Baldwin should be in jail. I think that him and that director and the lady,

868
01:00:06,020 --> 01:00:11,060
well, he is, uh, people who are directly responsible for that. Yes. But he's,

869
01:00:11,060 --> 01:00:15,140
but he's the executive producer. So he's the one ultimately responsible.

870
01:00:16,660 --> 01:00:22,500
He's the one that pulled the trigger. Well, that too, that never, never does somebody hand you a

871
01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:28,100
firearm and you don't check the chamber to make sure that it's empty after. Nope. Doesn't happen.

872
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:36,020
And, you know, unless like in a semi-automatic pistol, you can break that slide back and lock

873
01:00:36,020 --> 01:00:40,180
open. And then you can see that the magazine isn't in it and then close it.

874
01:00:40,820 --> 01:00:44,100
Yeah. But that's still a check. That's a safety check. That's still a check.

875
01:00:44,740 --> 01:00:48,340
And you know what? The people that don't check guns before they shoot them, those aren't the

876
01:00:48,340 --> 01:00:51,460
people that I hang out with. And those aren't the people that I go hunting with. And those aren't

877
01:00:51,460 --> 01:00:56,900
the people that I go even to the range with. Uh, you pull that kind of shit around me and that's it.

878
01:00:56,900 --> 01:01:04,340
We're done. Right. Well, it's like I've gone hunting with groups of guys for years and

879
01:01:04,980 --> 01:01:08,900
there's one group that they've been hunting out of the same lodge for 40 years

880
01:01:09,940 --> 01:01:15,220
and, uh, they never had a shooting. Imagine that. Not never once. Yep. You know, and they're

881
01:01:15,220 --> 01:01:24,180
getting crazy blackout drunk and they'd never had a shooting, never had an accidental discharge, never

882
01:01:24,180 --> 01:01:30,980
never any of that. So, you know, I don't know what to tell people. It's not that difficult to be safe

883
01:01:30,980 --> 01:01:38,660
with firearms. Uh, as long as you're making the effort to do so. Yes. So. Well, I am done with my

884
01:01:38,660 --> 01:01:45,700
cigar. And like I say, oh, go on. I am also done. I'm also done. And it was great. I liked it. It

885
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:52,100
was delightful. Um, I don't think I liked it more than the moon trance, but I could see how you

886
01:01:52,100 --> 01:01:56,820
could see how you could like it more than the moon trance. If cherry flavor is your thing,

887
01:01:57,460 --> 01:02:03,140
if that's your jam jam, uh, this one is the contender. Uh, the two best ones they make

888
01:02:03,140 --> 01:02:07,540
are moon trance and the cherry bomb. Uh, moon trance wins it out because I like vanilla a

889
01:02:07,540 --> 01:02:13,540
little bit more than I like cherry. I would say moon trance wins out also. I have to think that

890
01:02:13,540 --> 01:02:17,620
it's, I think that it's lightning in a bottle. Yeah. It's one of those things. It's just hard

891
01:02:17,620 --> 01:02:22,820
to beat. It's hard to beat the gun theme. It's like, it's like a wing master, you know,

892
01:02:22,820 --> 01:02:28,980
hardly doing master part, hard to beat a BPS. They're, they're just, uh, more than the sum of

893
01:02:28,980 --> 01:02:35,940
their parts as they say. The moon trance is magical. Um, this one would be magical if I had a,

894
01:02:36,660 --> 01:02:42,500
uh, bigger, bigger liking of, of cherry. I, uh, you know, I like cherry just fine. I've got a couple

895
01:02:42,500 --> 01:02:47,540
of friends that are almost addicted to cherry flavor. Um, so if they were interested in cigars,

896
01:02:47,540 --> 01:02:52,980
I would give them this one. Um, and if you said, Hey, you know, outside of the moon trance,

897
01:02:52,980 --> 01:02:55,140
which of the flavors do you like? I'd say cherry bomb,

898
01:02:56,020 --> 01:03:01,540
moon trance, cherry bomb. Those are the two it's worth giving it a, giving it a smoke anyway.

899
01:03:01,540 --> 01:03:05,540
You know, the honey wasn't bad, uh, but it wasn't in the same realm as cherry bomb

900
01:03:06,260 --> 01:03:10,820
and a moon trance. I think moon trance edges it out, uh, for the wind all around. I think the

901
01:03:10,820 --> 01:03:17,220
tobacco that they use and the rap that they use and the, um, and everything is great. Uh, the cherry

902
01:03:17,220 --> 01:03:25,700
bomb, uh, really, really good. Uh, but the moon trance, I think is the winner. Perfect. I agree.

903
01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:35,460
I agree. All right. Well, now you know all about the CAO flavors. So thank you for listening.

904
01:03:35,460 --> 01:03:42,020
Have a good day.