1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,920 Hello, welcome to Nice Ashes. 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:10,360 I'm Mike. 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:11,360 And I'm Nate. 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:12,960 What are we smoking tonight? 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,480 We're doing our CAO flavors. 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,520 We're on the second to last one, I believe. 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,680 Is it the second to last or is it the last? 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,200 No, we got a special episode with one of the flavors. 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:24,920 We have a special episode. 10 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:26,960 We're doing the, what is it called? 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,720 The Gold Honey. 12 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,600 This is the Gold Honey. 13 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,680 And then next episode we're going to do a cherry bomb. 14 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,120 Yes, yes we are. 15 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:42,400 And then we decided we're going to revisit the Moon Trance, but we're going to do the 16 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:48,400 Torpedo instead of the regular, as it were. 17 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:55,880 Yep, and then later on we have a Blood Red Moon cherry cigar that we've talked about 18 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:56,880 on there. 19 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:57,880 But that's not CAO. 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:58,880 No, no. 21 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,980 So we're about to clear it. 22 00:01:02,980 --> 00:01:06,080 This is our second to last CAO flavor we haven't tried. 23 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:12,400 We're going to go back and revisit the Moon Trance at the end, just to kind of bookend 24 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:13,400 it. 25 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:22,800 Yeah, but the Moon Trance is the only one we've liked so far. 26 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,280 Yes. 27 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:29,240 I don't know, man. 28 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:37,560 You're going to have to tell me, but I'm getting kind of some bad vibes a la Bella Vanilla 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,640 off of the first few puffs here. 30 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:46,480 I'm not thrilled about the tobacco quality just up front. 31 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:51,200 But to be fair, we got to give it at least an inch, inch and a half. 32 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,280 I am not thrilled with the quality of the cigar roll itself. 33 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,480 It's very loose, in my opinion. 34 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:05,000 And the flavor is acidic, but I am getting some honey on it. 35 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,360 What's the, isn't the saying loose cigars sink ships or something like that? 36 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,360 Something like that. 37 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,440 Something very close to that, at least. 38 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:16,440 Yeah. 39 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,560 I've got a little bit of wind down here. 40 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:23,880 It's a hundred degrees Fahrenheit, both where Mike is and where I am. 41 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,200 It's kind of just a hot, hot, hot summer day. 42 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,200 Yes. 43 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,480 And where I'm at, the thunder is starting. 44 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:32,480 I can hear it. 45 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,480 I'm sure that it's going on in the background for me. 46 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:37,480 Okay. 47 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:42,520 Well, just, you know, we're smoking cigars and we can't always be inside, inside where 48 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:43,640 everything's nice and quiet. 49 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:48,040 So that's why you listen to us, because we're actually smoking these cigars when we're recording 50 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,120 this podcast. 51 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,120 Yes. 52 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,120 Yeah. 53 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,080 So gold honey. 54 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,320 That's what we're smoking tonight. 55 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,840 I've got myself half of a gin and tonic left. 56 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,800 This is my second gin and tonic of the evening. 57 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,880 And then I've got a natural light natterdaze strawberry lemonade queued up for when I'm 58 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,360 done with my gin and tonic. 59 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,400 So you got some of those, huh? 60 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:17,000 Well, my wife went on a camping trip and brought some back and I thought it's a hundred degrees. 61 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,080 I will drink that. 62 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,960 But Mike and I had a little seance or powwow together. 63 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:29,240 We didn't record any episodes, but we smoked a ton of cigars and he introduced me to these 64 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:34,520 Natty Light natterdaze and their strawberry lemonade flavored beer. 65 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:40,160 But I would say like the moon trance, very tasty. 66 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,720 It's not overdone on the lemonade. 67 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,580 It's a nice, nice blend of lemonade and beer. 68 00:03:45,580 --> 00:03:48,920 So if you see them, don't be hating. 69 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,560 What do you want to talk about tonight, Mike? 70 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:53,560 Mike's on mute. 71 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,760 He may be, he may be dying. 72 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:56,760 Oh, he's back. 73 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:57,760 He's back. 74 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:58,760 I am back. 75 00:03:58,760 --> 00:03:59,760 I apologize about that. 76 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,800 I had to let the third cohost inside. 77 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:02,800 Yes. 78 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:10,640 She grabbed a cord for my headphones, my headjack and ripped it off. 79 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,560 Accidentally. 80 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,680 She wants all the spotlight to herself. 81 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:17,680 She does. 82 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:18,680 She does. 83 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:24,160 So, but yeah, so your wife went on a camping trip and got some. 84 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,160 Yes. 85 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:31,360 I don't know if she bought them or if her camping compatriot bought them. 86 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,760 But the fact remains is she brought some, she brought two of them home. 87 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,800 So I got to snag it before she gets her hands back on it. 88 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:40,800 Yes. 89 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,840 And this is from somebody who really enjoys craft beer and hazy IPAs, but these are well 90 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:46,840 worth it. 91 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:49,840 Yeah, they're good. 92 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:52,080 Especially for a hot summer day. 93 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,880 Yes. 94 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,880 I'm drinking Guinness. 95 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:56,880 Okay. 96 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,440 Seller-made Guinness. 97 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:04,640 Not my preference for a hundred degree weather day, but you do you. 98 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,880 Well, I've been drinking ice water all day. 99 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,360 I've also been staying inside. 100 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,000 I had the day off. 101 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,000 Yeah. 102 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,080 Well, why don't we talk about that first? 103 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:18,200 Because there was something that was really kind of like irking me about today. 104 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:19,860 Okay. 105 00:05:19,860 --> 00:05:25,960 And for those of you who don't know or might know, because we record things and then we 106 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,680 edit them and then we post them online. 107 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,120 So it'll be like a week later when everybody's listening to this. 108 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:39,960 But today is the observed day of Juneteenth. 109 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:50,040 And for those that don't know, this is the day that what the federal armed forces marched 110 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,600 into Texas and demanded they end slavery. 111 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:55,640 Yes. 112 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:01,020 This is the last day that black people en masse were enslaved, but not the last day 113 00:06:01,020 --> 00:06:04,000 of slavery in the United States. 114 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:09,920 The last day black people were en masse enslaved in the United States, but also not the last 115 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:19,640 day of slavery in the United States and not the last day of slavery of any people worldwide. 116 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:27,480 But I did want to talk just upfront of some things that I learned kind of through, you 117 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,160 know, like the Instagram stories and things, but also that's where I saw some stuff that 118 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,600 kind of upset me greatly. 119 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:44,200 And I was reading that, you know, well, even before my reading, words have certain powers. 120 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:51,680 And you know, if you're a writer, if you are a reader, if you are interested in kind of 121 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:58,160 communicating with people in general, you know that the word choices that you make greatly 122 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:06,520 affect the message that is received, irregardless of what the intended message may be. 123 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:07,520 Right? 124 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,560 So you can pick certain words and certain words have certain connotations and certain 125 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:18,160 words have different meanings maybe or more subtle meanings. 126 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,680 So word choice is important. 127 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,100 Let's just say that. 128 00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:30,960 And I was reading that, you know, calling somebody a slave is maybe diminutive of their 129 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,520 experience as a person. 130 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:37,440 And so calling them enslaved, you know, making it something that happened to them and not 131 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,820 like the defining word that sums them up. 132 00:07:41,820 --> 00:07:44,080 So I think that maybe is important to just begin with. 133 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,440 And that's something that I can definitely get behind. 134 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:55,640 I know that words and your word choices greatly influence how your message is received. 135 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:56,640 That is true. 136 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:01,160 But I will also note that the people who are having a conversation about this have never 137 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,720 been chattel slaves. 138 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:04,720 So. 139 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:09,400 Well, and that's where my second point comes in. 140 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:15,680 So I just first wanted to say that yes, you know, wording matters. 141 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:21,240 Calling somebody a slave versus calling them an enslaved person, there's definitely a different 142 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,480 meaning there and one that certainly I never thought of. 143 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:31,320 So I think just in general, it's very, very good to, you know, think about the words that 144 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:37,160 you use and maybe it's solely based on the words that your parents and grandparents used. 145 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,340 I know for me that's very, very true. 146 00:08:41,340 --> 00:08:42,340 So that's one thing. 147 00:08:42,340 --> 00:08:43,340 Okay. 148 00:08:43,340 --> 00:08:44,340 That's its own thing. 149 00:08:44,340 --> 00:08:56,080 I can get behind, you know, if referring to that terrible part of our country's history 150 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:01,240 as calling them enslaved instead of calling them slaves, that's fine with me. 151 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,240 Not a big deal. 152 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,320 I just wanted to kind of mention that for awareness for everybody. 153 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:12,680 But to Mike's point, nobody alive today because Juneteenth happened in what, 1865? 154 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:15,080 I believe so. 155 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:21,640 So nobody alive today, you'd be, you'd be a hundred and almost 160 years old. 156 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:28,400 So there are currently no living formerly enslaved people in the United States, formerly 157 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,000 enslaved by the United States in the United States. 158 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,800 Maybe somebody fled from somewhere else where their slavery is still happening and they're 159 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,680 here now, but certainly nobody- 160 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:46,080 There's no people who were slaves who were directly, who directly benefited from the 161 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,960 freedom of the slaves after the Civil War because there were, well, there might be some 162 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:55,680 people alive who were enslaved as a part of the incarceration system. 163 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:56,680 Yes. 164 00:09:56,680 --> 00:10:00,040 Because that didn't end until the 1940s. 165 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,040 So- 166 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,040 However, Juneteenth is not celebrating 1940. 167 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,360 No, no it's not. 168 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:13,600 Juneteenth is celebrating the official end of slavery in the United States as an institution. 169 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,040 Yes. 170 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:22,720 Might there have been other things, indentured servitude or what have you, the Japanese concentration 171 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,600 camps in World War II. 172 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,600 Yes. 173 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:31,280 We're talking about the ending of slavery as an institution. 174 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,920 Sure. 175 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,920 And the PO, we had POW camps. 176 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,200 And they definitely use those people as labor. 177 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,640 Yes. 178 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:47,360 Which most people would not disagree with. 179 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,920 If you do or don't, it's beside the point of what we're getting at here is there's not 180 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,960 a living enslaved person anymore. 181 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,000 Not in the United States. 182 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,160 Not in the United States. 183 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,200 And if they're in the United States, they fled somewhere else. 184 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:08,000 They're not a victim of American enslavement, of American slavery. 185 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:15,540 There's nobody alive today in America who owned enslaved people. 186 00:11:15,540 --> 00:11:16,960 Not in the United States. 187 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:17,960 There are people in the United States- 188 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:18,960 Not in the United States. 189 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,600 ... that owned enslaved persons in other countries. 190 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:21,600 Well, yes. 191 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,040 And the same thing is true. 192 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:28,640 There's nobody alive in the United States who under the American slavery institution 193 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,360 owned an enslaved person. 194 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:32,360 Okay? 195 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:39,720 Because that ended in 1865, which was far too long past the 13th Amendment. 196 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,720 I'm writing my numbers on that. 197 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,920 14th Amendment, I believe. 198 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:44,920 14th. 199 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,440 Oh, 14th Amendment was the Civil Rights Act. 200 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,440 Yep. 201 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,640 13th was abolishing slavery. 202 00:11:51,640 --> 00:12:00,200 So there's nobody alive in America who suffered or profited under American slavery. 203 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:09,900 There may be heirs of rich people, but they never directly owned any enslaved people. 204 00:12:09,900 --> 00:12:16,360 So this brings me to my point here, and this is my thing. 205 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:21,880 And also to further be clear, I did not have the day off. 206 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,640 It's a federally recognized holiday and I worked. 207 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:26,640 Okay? 208 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:27,960 Mike works for the state. 209 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,200 He had the day off and that's fine. 210 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,200 Yes. 211 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:37,280 And one of my coworkers had to work today because his union didn't ratify the holiday 212 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,160 last contract cycle. 213 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,160 Okay. 214 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:48,240 But so also on Instagram, where I also saw the slave versus enslaved, a lot of people 215 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:57,080 were posting, if you have the day off, you need to make reparations to African Americans. 216 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:03,440 And I thought to myself, that is some absolute horseshit. 217 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:04,440 And if I'm... 218 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:05,440 What? 219 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:06,440 Okay. 220 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,360 If I'm wrong, if I'm out of line here, let me know, but... 221 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,720 No, no, no, no, no. 222 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,040 Somebody online posted that... 223 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,960 Multiple people shared this same thing. 224 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,520 People that you know personally are just random trolls on the internet. 225 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:27,200 If you don't have to work today, most people that generally post, in my opinion, they generally 226 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,760 post things that are more thought provoking. 227 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:35,160 They're maybe a little more left leaning than most other things. 228 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:41,320 They're kind of anti-Elon Musk and anti-Trump, but they're also anti-Biden in some senses 229 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,920 because it's just kind of like... 230 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:51,760 But sometimes they veer fairly heavy into like, all white people are bad kind of thing. 231 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:59,000 Well, I mean, we could have a very long discussion about that concept. 232 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Well, yeah. 233 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,000 It's been around for a while. 234 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,960 Yes, that's true. 235 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,720 But I just thought, my God, here we are. 236 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,520 We're all wage slaves. 237 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:10,520 Okay? 238 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,680 I mean, most of us. 239 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:14,680 We don't... 240 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:16,480 You know what inflation was? 241 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,280 40 year high. 242 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:19,480 I'm not even 40 years old. 243 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,840 This is the highest it's ever been in my lifetime. 244 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:22,840 8.6%. 245 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,280 And you know what my increase is going to be this year? 246 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:28,760 It's not going to be 8.6. 247 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,840 I'll tell you that right up front. 248 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:36,720 So it's like you just, you slowly fall down this hill, right? 249 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:44,400 You're clawing up this sandy hill, but inflation outpaces, raises, and cost of living increases 250 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:52,880 8 to 1, 5 to 1, year after year after year. 251 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:57,320 But then they're telling me, but I didn't have the day off, so I guess it's not me, 252 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:58,320 it's you, Mike. 253 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,520 It's all your fault. 254 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,200 But they're telling people you have the day off. 255 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,480 It's a federal holiday. 256 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,360 Everybody's supposed to have it off. 257 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:06,360 Everybody's supposed to have it off. 258 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:11,640 But if you have it off, you have to make reparations to an African American person. 259 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,760 Like I wasn't, I didn't, I never owned any enslaved people. 260 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,480 I don't know anybody who was an enslaved person. 261 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:23,260 That doesn't mean they're not out there, but math tells me that they're not. 262 00:15:23,260 --> 00:15:27,600 At least in America. 263 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:33,280 If you want reparations, you know what, instead of coming after my $5 or my $20, petition 264 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:34,840 the government. 265 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:39,120 They can shift some money from the military industrial complex and give it to some African 266 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:40,600 American people. 267 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:41,680 But then that's got to be it. 268 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,800 You can't just keep doing it. 269 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,200 You know what I mean? 270 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,520 Well there are, you know, there's the reparations argument. 271 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:55,000 It's been happening since before our time, obviously. 272 00:15:55,000 --> 00:16:04,120 But as far as I was aware, the whole concept behind quotas in hiring and you know, the 273 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,960 quota system for college admissions and those sort of things. 274 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,840 You're talking affirmative action. 275 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,720 While there's affirmative action and then there's like various versions of, I suppose 276 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,000 it is all affirmative action, you know? 277 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,000 Yeah. 278 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:26,280 So we've discussed the hiring policies of certain organizations that I've worked for 279 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:35,760 in the past and all of them give extra credit for not being a white man, basically. 280 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,480 And in college admissions, the same too. 281 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:44,040 And I figured all that was the reparations, right? 282 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:49,160 You know, when you create a 14-point system into which I, as a white man, can only get 283 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:58,040 11 out of 14, then that's a pretty unfair advantage for other people, assuming they 284 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,080 have equal qualifications. 285 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,160 Yeah. 286 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:03,160 And that's, I mean, whatever. 287 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,800 It's just the way that it is. 288 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:05,800 Yeah. 289 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:15,640 And that's not taking into account, you know, generation upon generation of, you know, enslavement, 290 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,200 not equal rights segregation. 291 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,160 So I'm just trying to say like- 292 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,000 But as you said, I have never directly benefited from that. 293 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Yeah. 294 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Yes. 295 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:37,400 I'm just saying as you and me, you know, and it's not to justify slavery at all because 296 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:38,400 it's terrible. 297 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:39,400 It's not a good- 298 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:40,400 Obviously. 299 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,400 Some people would justify slavery. 300 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:42,400 I hear arguments- 301 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:43,400 Some people would. 302 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:48,400 But nobody that I would be friends with. 303 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:58,240 Well, I hear arguments on conservative radio shows that aren't an outright call for slavery, 304 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:05,440 but the consequences of what they're saying would re-enslave large sections of the population. 305 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:06,440 Yeah. 306 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:11,760 But I'm just going to go out there and say that I am 100% against slavery in any form, 307 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,720 shape, or fashion. 308 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:20,120 But the fact of the matter is, I mean, like, let's look at this historically, and you as 309 00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:29,960 a history major, in the grand scheme of life and everything, the small slice of time where 310 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:40,000 slavery was legal in the United States pales in comparison to world history where slavery 311 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,080 was accepted. 312 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,440 Yes. 313 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:52,280 Because when, you refresh my memory, when did America break free from Britain? 314 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,000 1784, I would say. 315 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,840 I think that's what it was. 316 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,280 Yeah, but they issued the Declaration in 1776. 317 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:06,120 Well, that's when they issued the Declaration, but they formally won the war. 318 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:07,120 Yeah. 319 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:12,880 So let's just be, you know, let's just say 1776. 320 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,360 Let's be generous and say 1776 to 1865. 321 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:22,000 That sounds like less than 100 years to me in American history where we had slavery, 322 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,720 because everything pre-1776, that's not Britain. 323 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:26,720 Sorry. 324 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:27,720 Sure. 325 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,000 Can't help you there. 326 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,440 That's Britain's fault. 327 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,680 I'm not taking ownership of that. 328 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:33,800 Right. 329 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:41,320 And well, the mainstream narrative around American slavery doesn't include the native 330 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,320 population that was enslaved. 331 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,320 No. 332 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,320 It doesn't include the indentured servants that were... 333 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:48,320 Yeah. 334 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,680 It goes all the way back to though, to a Plymouth Rock when British people first landed here. 335 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,120 Like they're more than happy to... 336 00:19:55,120 --> 00:20:00,600 My family, my original progenitor was a indentured servant in New England. 337 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:05,120 So yeah, it's... 338 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:11,120 They definitely have versions of slavery in the United States from the earliest days of 339 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:12,120 colonization. 340 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:15,160 Let's put it that way. 341 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:23,360 So before we continue the enslavement slavery debate that's raging hard and fast here on 342 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:29,280 nice ashes, I'm about halfway done with this gold honey. 343 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,640 And I have to say it's really kind of... 344 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,960 I've warmed up to it. 345 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:34,960 You have. 346 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:35,960 Yes. 347 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:42,240 I'm halfway through and I've got just a slight honey, a slight hint of honey. 348 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,520 And well, I'm drinking a gin and tonic, so that's kind of dry, right? 349 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:47,640 Dry and harsh. 350 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,000 And it's a little bit of honey in this cigar. 351 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,000 It's... 352 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:58,680 I don't know that I'd go out and buy another one, but it's probably my second favorite 353 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,120 so far. 354 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:03,400 I like it better than Eileen Stream. 355 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,240 See and I don't. 356 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,640 I don't like the tobacco. 357 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:07,640 Okay. 358 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:13,240 I do get the taste of honey, but the tobacco to me, maybe it's because I'm smoking it too 359 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:14,240 fast. 360 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:15,800 I'm also about halfway through. 361 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:16,800 Okay. 362 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:17,800 But it tastes harsh. 363 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,800 I don't like the tobacco at all. 364 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:20,800 Well, and mine doesn't... 365 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,080 It might be a bad pairing with the Guinness too. 366 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,200 Yeah, that could be. 367 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:31,600 And I think pairing is huge and I'm not going to discount that, but I've got this new ashtray 368 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:37,640 that I got for my birthday and it's a big chalice and it's got four welded on cigar 369 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:38,640 holders. 370 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,880 So I've been setting mine on the cigar holder there. 371 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,480 Man, and it just... 372 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,480 It sits there. 373 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,720 It sits there and it's never going to roll off, even in the wind. 374 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:49,720 It's great. 375 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,280 It's a beautiful ashtray. 376 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:52,280 I love it. 377 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,960 It is a very nice ashtray. 378 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,880 So I've been setting it on there and so I'm smoking it. 379 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,560 I'm taking deep puffs, but I'm not smoking fast. 380 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,280 So nothing's tasted harsh to me. 381 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:10,000 I am almost done with my second gin and tonic for the evening. 382 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,000 It's a hundred degrees. 383 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:17,640 I've been outside drinking since five, since 5 PM and it's 8 PM now. 384 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,080 So it's about three hours of good solid drinking. 385 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,480 But it pairs well with the tonic. 386 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,720 The tonic's a little bitter, the quinine or whatever. 387 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,680 So I think it's a good compliment to that. 388 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,680 I don't know if I was drinking a sweeter beer or something. 389 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,920 I don't know if it'd be as good. 390 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:46,040 Yeah, because I'm trying not to puff too hard on it, but that tobacco just has a little 391 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,440 bit of a sour taste to it to me. 392 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,200 Maybe it's my humidor. 393 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,200 I don't think so. 394 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,400 I wouldn't think so. 395 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,440 I don't think it is, but I can definitely taste the honey. 396 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:05,040 So you don't like this as much as Eileen's Dream, the Irish whiskey? 397 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,680 I don't like the tobacco as much. 398 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,560 The flavor on this is better. 399 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:09,560 Okay. 400 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,080 And maybe that's the difference is the flavor here is better. 401 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,080 Definitely. 402 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,080 Oh, for sure. 403 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,720 The flavor here is second only to the Moon Trance so far. 404 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,280 But I don't think, you might be right about the tobacco not being even as good as Eileen's 405 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,880 Dream because this is a little bit lighter wrapper again. 406 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,200 And I remember the Bella Vanilla was a lighter wrapper. 407 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,600 So I don't know if it's just when they wrap them with the lighter wrappers, if it's a 408 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,560 different tobacco that they use. 409 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:46,760 I'm open to the suggestion that it's me because I usually do not smoke Cameroon wrapper cigars. 410 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,600 I'm usually a Maduro kind of guy. 411 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,160 Well, me as well. 412 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:58,720 But I think the honey, I think that's a great flavor. 413 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,320 I don't think it's overpowering like the Bella Vanilla was. 414 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,320 That was terrible. 415 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:13,480 But it's more prevalent than the Eileen's Dream where we were kind of only getting like 416 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,520 a vague creaminess. 417 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,880 But this one you definitely do get a honey flavor. 418 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,160 But it's not overpowering. 419 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,280 But so that's our halfway check-in. 420 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:31,320 I just wanted to pop back in with, so far I've been fairly impressed with this one. 421 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,840 Like I said, I don't know that I'd necessarily go out and buy it. 422 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:42,160 I would go out and buy more Moon Trance because if it comes down to it and you're saying like, 423 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:47,680 you got to smoke a flavored cigar, I'd be like Moon Trance, Moon Trance all the way. 424 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:48,680 What about the gold honey? 425 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:49,680 Nope, it'd be Moon Trance. 426 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:55,320 I give Moon Trance to people all the time because they're good. 427 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,320 They're really good. 428 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,520 This is not an episode about Moon Trance though. 429 00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:59,960 No, it's not. 430 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:00,960 It's not. 431 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,280 But this is our what? 432 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,040 Moon Trance, Bella Vanilla. 433 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:13,920 It's our fourth episode of the CAO Flavors and we promised the listeners a hard blow 434 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,560 by blow which one is best. 435 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:24,360 And I do not foresee the Moon Trance being dethroned, but I'm open to the possibility 436 00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:27,000 that it will be. 437 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,000 But it's not going to be this one either. 438 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,000 I'm definitely open to the possibility. 439 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,000 It's not going to be this one. 440 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:35,400 I have smoked the CAO Cherry Pipe Tobacco. 441 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,720 Okay. 442 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,080 And I like the CAO Cherry Pipe Tobacco. 443 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:44,960 So we shall see. 444 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:51,440 But I will tell you and the listeners that right now the stack ranking first place is 445 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,840 Moon Trance. 446 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,760 The second place is probably the gold honey. 447 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:07,520 Third place by a slim slim margin would be the Eileen Stream and then somewhere 50,000 448 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,240 spaces down is the Bella Vanilla. 449 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,480 I would generally agree with that assessment. 450 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,480 I would say that the Moon Trance is, that's like S tier. 451 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,480 You know? 452 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,480 Yeah. 453 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,480 Yep. 454 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,440 I always have a half a box of those in my humidor. 455 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:25,440 Yeah. 456 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:32,200 And you know what, this one here, the gold honey, you might not like the tobacco flavor, 457 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,200 but the flavoring of the honey is fine. 458 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,200 Yes, absolutely. 459 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,200 So it's a nice summer. 460 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,360 It does have a honey flavor. 461 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:39,360 You know, nice summer. 462 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:40,360 Hey, I want it a little sweeter. 463 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:43,440 I don't want it overly sweet. 464 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,080 You know, they got the flavor right on this one. 465 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,520 So that's, you know, that's good. 466 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:53,400 The tobacco, they could probably up the tobacco quality, but they didn't. 467 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,480 So it is what it is. 468 00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:01,080 I wonder if this would be better if it was a natural wrapper instead of a Cameroon. 469 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,080 You know, it probably wouldn't. 470 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,080 Because I don't mind natural wrappers. 471 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,280 I've had a couple green cigars and I like them. 472 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,280 They're good. 473 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,280 So, I don't know. 474 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,340 Hard to say. 475 00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:14,880 It's tough to say, especially with these flavored cigars. 476 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,400 You know, it's tough to kind of pick out the palate. 477 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,600 You know, is it the tobacco? 478 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,600 Is it the wrapper? 479 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,600 Is it the flavoring? 480 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,600 Is it something else? 481 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,680 You know, is it a loose wrap? 482 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,640 Is it a, you know, some kind of manufacturing defect? 483 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:32,640 I don't think. 484 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,720 See, and as we've been talking, the flavor is actually getting a lot better now. 485 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:38,720 Okay. 486 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,200 It took me to about the halfway point for it to like, that's why I wanted to mention 487 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,200 it. 488 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,200 Because I was like, man, this one's finally coming into its own. 489 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:55,760 You know, the first half or, you know, 45% of the cigar, it wasn't anything that I was 490 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,320 excited about. 491 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,840 It wasn't as harsh as the Bella Vanilla. 492 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:05,880 So, in my mind, that's a win in terms of our CAO Flavors, you know, smoke off. 493 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:06,880 Right. 494 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,560 It wasn't offensive. 495 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:09,840 It wasn't offensive. 496 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:15,880 It was one that, you know, if somebody said, man, I don't like vanilla flavor and I don't 497 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,040 want the moon trance. 498 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,240 Right now, my second would be, well, do you like honey? 499 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,360 Right. 500 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:29,000 You know, if we were somehow in a circumstance where it was like, I will only smoke a CAO 501 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:34,520 flavor, I won't smoke anything else, but I don't like vanilla. 502 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,600 It would be this one. 503 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:37,600 So far. 504 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,600 So, I would also like to mention a totally different topic. 505 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:49,400 Revol Day happened between the last episode where, if I remember correctly, I kind of 506 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,200 shit on the police and this episode. 507 00:28:52,200 --> 00:29:00,240 So, I would like the listeners to know that my opinions were not affected by any events 508 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,000 that have been going on or were going on. 509 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,000 Yes. 510 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:12,200 And I would also say between, I think, two episodes ago, maybe more. 511 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,200 I don't know. 512 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,920 There's one episode we were talking about capital punishment. 513 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,360 People who shoot up schools. 514 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,080 Top of the list. 515 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,360 Top of the fucking list. 516 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,960 You know, I remember, you know what? 517 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,780 And it's sad. 518 00:29:33,780 --> 00:29:38,560 It's really sad because I enjoy shooting guns. 519 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:44,480 I enjoy hunting to a certain extent. 520 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,160 I have never shot anybody. 521 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,160 I don't want to shoot anybody. 522 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:56,280 I've always practiced very, very responsible gun ownership, gun handling. 523 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,280 I think it was Newtown, Newton. 524 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,520 There was one that happened when I was in college and it was like the first elementary 525 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:05,880 school shooting or something. 526 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,280 And I remember just crying. 527 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:12,320 And this was before I had kids. 528 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,640 But it was just so sad. 529 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,520 And I can't, I don't know. 530 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:28,000 We did active shooter drills in my school like my last maybe year in high school. 531 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:34,680 You know, I just put cardboard in the window of the door and close the blinds and basically 532 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:42,720 hide under your desk as if an atomic bomb in the 1950s was going off. 533 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,160 But there's these people out there that think arming teachers is the answer. 534 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:53,240 And I don't know about anybody else, but I always had good grades, but I was never like, 535 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,280 you know, rah rah fan of the teachers. 536 00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:01,840 So I don't know if anyone can imagine what having an armed teacher would be like. 537 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,080 It would be like prison. 538 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,480 Arming the teachers would be a serious mistake. 539 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,120 I don't want to offend anybody when I say this, but people who are school teachers are 540 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:21,080 either true believers in whatever educational cause that they're doing, or they are the 541 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,520 lowest common denominator. 542 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:29,600 Well, and regardless of all of that, they just don't pay teachers enough money to get 543 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:37,760 truly competent people and you don't 100% or not 100% there. 544 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,320 Well and let's see guns around children. 545 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,480 Let's be very, very clear. 546 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,680 They don't pay enough to always get competent people, but the competent people that they 547 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:52,240 do get because they do get competent people, but they're there because of their heart, 548 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,360 because of their life's mission, because of some deeper thing than money and pay. 549 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,360 They're there, I'm not saying that's right or wrong. 550 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,240 I'm not saying like positive view. 551 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,600 I'm going to take a negative view. 552 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,560 They're there for their agenda. 553 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:16,160 That's usually political or personal or whatever, you know, that could be, that could be, you 554 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,000 know, and there certainly are teachers like that. 555 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,600 And you know what, in all of my years of schooling, and I don't remember what the, what the number 556 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,640 is the average American gets because you know, you start in kindergarten, sometimes you get 557 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:33,160 a pre-K and then if you go to like a four year college, it's like, I don't know, 20, 558 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,720 you know, 18 or 20 years of schooling, right? 559 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,880 So you get, you get all these people. 560 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:44,360 When I look back at my entire educational career, as it were, my educational indentured 561 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:54,160 servitude as it were, there's maybe two, maybe if I stretch three teachers that I thought 562 00:32:54,160 --> 00:33:01,400 were really truly excellent teachers that were there not for their political agenda, 563 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:10,160 but were truly there to encourage learning, encourage kind of a positive constructive 564 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,760 discourse. 565 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,240 You know, but that's like, I mean, if you think about all of the years and all of the 566 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:25,200 teachers I interacted with, they only have three that I could look back on and say, yep, 567 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,960 I remember that teacher and I loved their classes. 568 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,620 They clearly had a passion. 569 00:33:30,620 --> 00:33:32,300 They weren't trying to indoctrinate people. 570 00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:35,720 They were really trying to encourage free thought. 571 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,760 That's pretty sad statistically. 572 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,440 And regardless of if you're a good teacher or not, you're right. 573 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:50,800 They're not getting paid enough to make life and death decisions with active shooters. 574 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,680 And I don't think, I don't think any of our children, any of our children anywhere should 575 00:33:54,680 --> 00:34:00,160 ever, ever have to face that. 576 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,440 The police, and they just released video this last week, the police didn't even try, they 577 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:13,960 didn't even try to go into the room, into the school in Texas. 578 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,680 They didn't even try. 579 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,620 That should be a surprise to no one. 580 00:34:18,620 --> 00:34:22,240 People that don't act and they have the power to act and the power to save lives and you 581 00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:31,640 don't, that is the utmost show of cowardice that anyone anywhere could ever possibly display. 582 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:37,680 And that is, it's, it's unforgivable in my mind. 583 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,680 These are kids. 584 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,600 These are elementary school children. 585 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:48,820 And I made a post, or I put a post online and I shared this meme with you, Mike. 586 00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:56,160 It was a picture of the, the blue Lives Matter flag with the thin blue line, rah rah. 587 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,600 And it said, these colors don't run, and in parentheses it said into buildings where there's 588 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,520 an active shooter. 589 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:10,540 And my dad who's, who's like a thousand percent Trump said, that's why he said, everyone has 590 00:35:10,540 --> 00:35:11,800 the right to defend themselves. 591 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:17,420 And I said, not elementary school children, because they don't, they don't vote. 592 00:35:17,420 --> 00:35:21,600 They can't buy, they can't buy firearms, nor should they. 593 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:22,600 That's not the point. 594 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,600 That's not the point I'm trying to make. 595 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,520 I just want to be clear. 596 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,720 And then he said, that's why teachers need to be armed. 597 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:35,480 And that's what got me really thinking like, man, if, if my gym teacher, if that guy had 598 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,280 a, had an open carry, or we knew he was carrying in high school, it would have been game over. 599 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,560 Like he would have been drill sergeant. 600 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,880 You would have had to like, I mean, he was the type of guy that kept the women's locker 601 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,920 room open because his office had doors to women's locker room and the men's locker room. 602 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,640 He kept both doors open so he could watch everybody change, you know? 603 00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:00,240 But if that guy had a gun, like Jesus, you know, like that would have been a whole different 604 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:01,840 dynamic. 605 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:07,960 The people that say teachers should carry guns are also the people that lose their minds 606 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:19,680 when like these SJW freaks try to teach about gender studies to in, you know, grade schools. 607 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,660 So you know, they really need to think about what they're asking. 608 00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:28,840 Do you want the gender queer kindergarten teacher who cries when you say mean words 609 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:35,760 to them to be carrying a gun to defend children when a psycho comes in? 610 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,760 That doesn't seem like a good long-term strategy for success. 611 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,080 And I'm not attacking the teacher. 612 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,480 People are all different. 613 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:50,200 I'm just saying that that is not somebody who is going to shoot somebody else. 614 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,240 Most of those people, and I've met a lot of them. 615 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:59,040 And so you cannot handle dealing with somebody who is abrasive towards them, let alone somebody 616 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,880 who is trying to kill them. 617 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,880 Yeah. 618 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:07,560 And I think to be very, very clear here is that there are terrible people. 619 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:08,560 They're out there. 620 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,440 You know, maybe you live next to one of them. 621 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,920 Maybe they come into your store and berate you and ask to speak to the manager. 622 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,680 But there's terrible people out there. 623 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,120 But I think the point that we're trying to make is not that any of these terrible people 624 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,560 are correct or should be somehow exonerated. 625 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:34,160 But the point is that these are the same people that say, I don't want this liberal teacher 626 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:41,680 teaching whatever, whatever to my son or daughter, but I trust in the carry gun to save my offspring's 627 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,160 life. 628 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,840 You can't have it both ways. 629 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:51,640 You know, like, or you've got, and on the flip side, let's just say the flip side, I 630 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:56,520 don't want this conservative teacher teaching my children that the founding fathers were 631 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,520 100% right. 632 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:06,040 Like I don't, I don't like that teacher, but also I trust him to use lethal force if needed. 633 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,400 Like that's not how that, that's not how that works. 634 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,480 You know, like you can't sit there and on one hand say, oh, all the teachers are super 635 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,560 liberal and we hate them all. 636 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,080 And then say, well, they should all carry guns. 637 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,120 And then they'd say my kids like, no, that's not how that works. 638 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,400 Like you understand like taking another life. 639 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,520 That's a huge, huge, I mean, that's a huge thing. 640 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:36,160 And certain morality or moral codes allow for it. 641 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,160 But I think, and you know what? 642 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,840 So I've never killed anybody. 643 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,000 I have no desire to kill anybody. 644 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,520 You know, my grandfather killed a lot of people in World War II and he never talked about 645 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,560 it. 646 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:56,440 So all I can surmise in trying to flex my empathy muscle, all I can surmise is regardless 647 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:03,960 of your thoughts, if you think you're justified or not in taking a life, it's not, it's not 648 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,100 going to prepare you for actually doing it. 649 00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:10,040 And it's not going to prepare you for any, any sort of guilt or remorse or anything that 650 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,380 you might feel after the fact. 651 00:39:12,380 --> 00:39:17,920 Like that's not something that you're, you can just, you know, overwrite with whatever 652 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,920 you think your moral code is. 653 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:28,280 I think even shooting a bad person, killing a bad person in self-preservation, I think 654 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:33,440 you're still going to feel guilt somewhere, somehow, if you're anywhere close to a decent 655 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:34,720 human. 656 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,760 I don't know for sure. 657 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,840 I'm just trying to think like, you know, trying to put myself in some of those situations 658 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,620 where it's like, you know, of course I would sit here and say, yes, of course I would storm 659 00:39:47,620 --> 00:39:51,580 the school and take out the shooter. 660 00:39:51,580 --> 00:39:53,560 But also I wasn't there. 661 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:58,320 And you know, I don't live in fantasy land. 662 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,040 I have no idea what I would do in that situation. 663 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,040 Yeah. 664 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,040 Yeah. 665 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,840 I just wanted to, you know, just bring that up. 666 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:05,840 Right. 667 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,840 I think that I don't want to sound too harsh on the teachers. 668 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:16,120 I watched a TikTok video compilation of all these crazy teachers and there's only like 669 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:22,080 a dozen of them that were clearly out of their minds with their politics. 670 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,320 And they were all grade school teachers, of course. 671 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:29,200 So it was like, do I want those 12 people carrying a gun in a school? 672 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,500 No. 673 00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:35,680 I think back to all the teachers I had, a couple of them probably were carrying guns. 674 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:41,400 In fact, I know that one of my teachers had a gun in his vehicle because I was his student 675 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:47,240 in aid and he was a hunter, so he had his shotgun and his gun dog on this truck during 676 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:48,240 the school day. 677 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:54,120 Part of my job was to go up there and feed and water and walk the dog. 678 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,640 But yeah, but I mean, that's different. 679 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,160 That's different than open carrying in the school. 680 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,160 You know what I mean? 681 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,160 Right. 682 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,160 Right. 683 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,160 He wasn't carrying a gun in the hallway. 684 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,400 And there's people that are responsible gun owners. 685 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,400 Okay. 686 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,080 You know, they keep them in safes. 687 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,560 They make sure they're unloaded. 688 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,640 They, you know, they don't hand loaded guns to complete strangers. 689 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,440 You know, they know what's going on. 690 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,240 They know that it's a tool. 691 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:21,240 They understand that. 692 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:27,680 They understand that just like a pocket knife or even a lighter or a box of matches. 693 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:28,840 It's a tool. 694 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:36,040 You can do great harm with those tools if you are so inclined. 695 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,200 But if you're responsible, and we talk about personal responsibility all the time on this 696 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:46,640 show, you know, I'm not worried about one of my neighbors having a semi-automatic AR-15. 697 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:53,520 You know, that's not necessarily an assault rifle, but that's what the media calls it. 698 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,720 You know, if they're responsible people, we should talk about gun control, what we think 699 00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:00,960 should happen because I know I think we should. 700 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,600 I have a very firm idea of what should be done. 701 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:05,600 Yeah, that'll be next. 702 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,760 I think that a lot of people who are firearms enthusiasts have the same idea because I've 703 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,160 been talking, I've talked to many people about this over the years. 704 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,160 Yeah. 705 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,920 All of whom are pro-gun. 706 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,320 I really don't know anybody who's anti-gun to be honest with you. 707 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,920 Yeah, I think there are people out there that I've interacted with that are very clearly 708 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:27,920 anti-gun. 709 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:34,480 I don't necessarily talk to them anymore. 710 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,320 And I'm not going to say that they have a point, but we'll get into it more in like 711 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,400 next episode. 712 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:49,280 But like I said, you know, these school shootings, I never thought about it. 713 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,520 I never thought about anything. 714 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:58,780 Like honestly, like all my school, you know, up until high school was all tornado drills 715 00:42:58,780 --> 00:43:01,200 and fire drills, right? 716 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:09,160 And then 9-11 happened and that happened live in my first period class. 717 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,880 And that like rocked my world. 718 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,920 How did you start school that late? 719 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,280 Mine was in second or third period. 720 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,720 Well, maybe it was second or third period. 721 00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:18,720 I don't know. 722 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,520 You know, that was 2001 and it's 2022. 723 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:22,520 So it was quite a while ago. 724 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:27,440 I remember because I remember that day very clearly because my dad was in Washington, 725 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,000 DC at that time. 726 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,600 So I had to get called into the principal's office and he called the school. 727 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,760 He had an office at the Pentagon at that time. 728 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,120 You know, all that jazz. 729 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:44,440 So I don't think it started, but it was like, so after our first class in the hallway, some 730 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,320 kids were saying, oh, some idiot pilot flew into a building in New York. 731 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,800 Like I can't believe it. 732 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,760 They're just a moron, you know? 733 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:52,800 And that's what we thought. 734 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,440 And then I don't know how they heard about it. 735 00:43:54,440 --> 00:44:01,880 But then I went to my next class, which was social studies and the teacher and he was 736 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,560 the football coach too. 737 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:10,200 So he could be fairly intense, but I can't ever forget what he said to us and the way 738 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,920 he said it and the way he looked when he said it. 739 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:19,560 And he said something, I don't remember exactly the words, but I remember like the feeling 740 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,080 and just like you could tell. 741 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:28,600 Like this is 2001, so I was in my, I think my sophomore year of high school and it was 742 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:29,600 like, you could just tell. 743 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:34,400 Like you're a young kid and you're feeling like good and you're like, I'm almost an adult 744 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,400 and stuff. 745 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,640 But like, man, when somebody comes out and says, look, we got to watch this news thing 746 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:45,800 because it's happening live and whatever we had planned for today, it takes a second seat 747 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,120 to what's happening here. 748 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:57,720 And I mean, that's just impactful as a young kid, as a teenager, you know, and for a teacher 749 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:02,440 to like kind of level with you in that way. 750 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,440 Like this is something serious is happening. 751 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,880 And remember the only thing I heard about it was some pilot. 752 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,320 And I saw I'm thinking like a little Cessna or a little two seater plane flew into a skyscraper 753 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,160 in New York, you know, like, oh, obviously that's a mistake. 754 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,160 Like how dumb can you be? 755 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,160 Like, look, it's right there. 756 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,160 It's huge. 757 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,160 It's a skyscraper. 758 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,160 Like miss it. 759 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,800 Like don't hit it. 760 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:23,800 Don't fly that close. 761 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,640 But then he turned on the plane and the one tower was smoking. 762 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,560 And we actually saw live the second plane hit. 763 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:39,200 And we saw the second plane hit and we had the same, you know, or at least I did the 764 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:44,040 instantaneous realization that the newscasters had, you know, because they were thinking 765 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,800 it was a mistake or it was an error, pilot error, somebody was drunk under the influence. 766 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:49,800 They had no idea. 767 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,300 Like how would you know? 768 00:45:51,300 --> 00:46:03,480 And then to see that second, that second airplane hit, you know, very clearly not a mistake. 769 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:12,680 But it was a very, very impactful, I don't know, awakening and of innocence as it were 770 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:18,280 to my childhood. 771 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,560 And there were other things happening. 772 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:24,360 Like I was born in 86 and that's when the Berlin Wall fell, but I was an infant. 773 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,700 So you know, it doesn't matter. 774 00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:32,800 You know, in Korea and some other things happened, but I was too young and OJ Simpson happened, 775 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,800 but I was in elementary school. 776 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:41,120 So I had no idea of what the implications either way were. 777 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:47,320 But when you watch an airliner crash into a skyscraper with thousands of people in it 778 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,480 on live TV, that's, I mean, that's different. 779 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,040 Oh, sure. 780 00:46:54,040 --> 00:47:03,120 At school shootings, I mean, we've had school shootings in Minnesota, both justified, AKA 781 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:08,880 the police shooting criminals and mass shootings. 782 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,880 No laws have changed here. 783 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:11,880 That's for sure. 784 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:18,800 And we'll talk about it again next episode, but it's not considered a mass shooting unless 785 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,880 more than four people die, not including the shooter. 786 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,720 Sure. 787 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:29,920 But I, you know, when it comes to schools, I don't think anyone should die except maybe 788 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,760 the person with the gun that's going in there to shoot kids. 789 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,760 Preferably not. 790 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:34,760 Yeah, preferably not. 791 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:44,120 There was a school resource officer in Minnetonka a couple years back that shot a child having 792 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:50,200 a mental health episode at an after, that was playing basketball at an after school 793 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,640 program or something, you know? 794 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:59,260 So even somebody who's trained to carry a gun in a school is susceptible to using the 795 00:47:59,260 --> 00:48:06,000 gun against a child that there's no reason for that to have happened. 796 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,760 The child didn't have a weapon, you know what I mean? 797 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:09,760 Yeah. 798 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:10,760 Yep. 799 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:11,760 So. 800 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,640 Well, and that's why you can't possibly, with what you pay teachers, you can't possibly 801 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:23,980 expect them to be trained to the level beyond the level of police officers, because if Texas 802 00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:29,720 has shown us anything, where would you ever suspect the most rah rah, let's go shoot the 803 00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:32,320 bad guy police force would ever possibly be? 804 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,320 It would be Texas in my mind. 805 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,600 I mean, that's the whole state's persona. 806 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,880 You know, that's the stereotype. 807 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:47,920 And for them to wait and be detaining parents outside the school building and to not go 808 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:55,000 in and shoot the bad guy, like if they can't go and do their basic job, how would you ever 809 00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:03,520 expect a teacher whose primary job is to instill knowledge to ever be able to do anything with 810 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,520 a gun? 811 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,920 Right. 812 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,920 I am done with my cigar, by the way. 813 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,000 Smoked it right to the nub. 814 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,000 It was good. 815 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,320 Well, that's good. 816 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,040 I've got about an inch left. 817 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,800 But it's been it's been good. 818 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,160 It's getting a little little harsh here at the end. 819 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,800 But the middle part of my note with about an inch left, but that to me is about the 820 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:26,800 no. 821 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:27,800 Yeah. 822 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:28,800 Okay. 823 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:29,800 Yeah. 824 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:30,800 Burn my mouth or whatever. 825 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,360 Yeah, I'm not going to put it on a no. 826 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:34,360 No. 827 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:40,480 So but by and large, this this so far, I think to me has been the second best. 828 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,480 I would say it probably second best. 829 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:43,480 Yeah. 830 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:44,480 Thus far. 831 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,480 I would not recommend it. 832 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,640 Yeah, I don't know. 833 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,600 Maybe if you like lighter cigars. 834 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:58,560 Possibly if you like lighter, if you're if you're a huge honey honey addict, I would 835 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,360 say sure, go for it. 836 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:02,680 Right. 837 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,200 Yeah. 838 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,680 And if you ask me what the second best CAO flavors was, I would say probably the gold 839 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,760 honey thus far. 840 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,400 But I would say why would you want the second best and you can just go for moon trance. 841 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:16,400 Right. 842 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,400 Yeah. 843 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,160 That's like I say, that is a S tier. 844 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,160 That is a very, very good. 845 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,160 Yes. 846 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,440 Always in my humidor. 847 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:27,920 It's right there with the Kentucky shrew. 848 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,520 It's got to be in there. 849 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:34,920 You know, I run out, I buy more. 850 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,920 Buy them in bulk. 851 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:37,920 Yep. 852 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:38,920 All right. 853 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:39,920 Well, that's it for this episode. 854 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:40,920 Thanks for listening. 855 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,120 Take care now.