Alright, welcome to Nice Ashes.
I'm Mike.
And I'm Nate.
And so, I just, we didn't talk about this last time, but these CAO flavors, they have
a nice little kind of wooden and ribbon wrapper.
They do.
They have very good packaging.
And tonight we are smoking Eileen's Dream, which Mike informs me is Irish cream flavored.
Yes.
This is a Robusto.
Looks to be 52, 54 gauge, 52 gauge probably.
You can look it up.
So initially, I feel it's better than the Bella Vanilla.
I after the first puff or two here, I have to concur with that.
It's also a significantly darker wrapper, which might be it.
Yeah.
And it's a little, I mean, it's a little harsh at the get go here.
I think, especially for like a flavored, flavored thing.
So it is definitely initially a little harsh.
But I am getting kind of a creamy, you know, Irish cream-esque flavor.
I don't know if you just handed me one and had me drink it or drink it.
Whoops.
If you just handed me one and had me smoke it and had me guess what flavor this is, I
don't know if I could place it actually.
I'm definitely not getting any sweetness off the wrapper with my lips and I'm not getting
any flavor yet.
But I feel like the Moon Trance did take a little, I'm getting a little bit of sweet
on the puff, but not to the extent that I could distinctively tell you this is Irish
cream.
Sure.
I'm not seeing, I don't know if I'm getting any sweetness that I would say is more than
what I would get off of just a sweeter tobacco.
Yeah.
So I've got a little game envisioned for you, Mike.
A little trivia, as it were.
I've got a quote that I want to read and then I want to see if you know who said it.
And then this will kick off our topic for this episode.
So here's the quote.
This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people no longer.
It is a government of corporations, by corporations, and for corporations.
Ooh, I'm going to say Jesus Christ.
You know that's close, it was actually Moses.
My second favorite founding father, Moses.
Yes.
We're not a Christian nation, we're Moses nation.
Have you ever seen that painting where it has the founding fathers and Jesus and Moses
in there?
Oh no.
Do you have the other Bible characters?
There's another real bad one.
It's the United Nations building and Jesus is like the size of Godzilla and he's like
knocking on the window on like the 120th floor or something like that.
It's a goofy picture, man.
If you Google like Jesus United Nations, you'll probably see it, but we saw that once and
it just it's like in my it burned itself into my brain.
I think that my lovely spouse has arrived home.
I don't know if you could hear her music in the background, but I'm hearing her greet
the dog in the kennel.
Oh, I can hear some music, but as long as it's not Disney music, we shouldn't get any
takedown notices.
No, it was very heavy metal, very heavy, very heavy metal.
So it was on my end.
For those who who are listening, my third podcast host, she needed a kennel, so I built
one and spent the last two weekends building her one.
And so now she's all excited to be out there.
But anyway, continue on, Nate, continue on.
So who was the quote?
All right.
So you're thinking like founding father?
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm thinking modern person realistically.
OK, maybe Christopher Hitchens or Noam Chomsky or somebody of that nature, or maybe Tucker
Carlson.
The answer may surprise you.
This was said by Rutherford B. Hayes, the 19th president of the United States, and he
was president from 1877 to 1881.
Wow.
That's a shocker.
I know.
That is crazy.
That's why I thought you would get a kick out of that.
That was definitely interesting.
You got another one for me?
Well, I don't know.
So I don't know that much about Rutherford B. Hayes, only that he only served one term
because he said he would.
I looked it up a little bit, and I guess he and his opponent didn't win enough votes to
win the election.
So they decided to let Rutherford B. Hayes do it because of the way the election system
works in our country.
If nobody gets enough votes to do it, I think the House gets to decide.
Yeah, they do.
And so he did that.
And I don't know that much else about him, but it was fascinating that somebody of that
era, and he died, I think, in 1889 or 1890 or something.
So he didn't even see the turn of the century.
But for somebody to say that back then, and I feel like it's only gotten-
Well, back then was, you have to remember that was right before, 1870s was right before
the Gilded Age, and that was the height of evilness in corporate America.
That was like-
Was it though?
Led to the progressive era, as they call it.
I think so because they had child labor and all kinds of crazy shit.
People should, I don't know how much they cover it in the standard history class in
high school nowadays.
Yeah, I don't know about nowadays.
I remember learning about Upton Sinclair in the jungle and some other working conditions
and stuff like that.
But I guess I don't know if the corporations, I don't think the corporations are any weaker
nowadays.
Now they're back to being extremely powerful.
They just export a lot of the really bad shit.
And they make everybody here a wage slave, so they can't resist the system more or less.
I feel like you talked about that briefly where it's like you can't really vote with
your dollar anymore because if Amazon's cheaper, you can't afford the real price because with
inflation and everything and they pass all the taxes and everything down to the consumer.
Right.
They do.
I don't know, it drives me nuts when people, you know, I buy my work clothes and my work
boots and my shoes and my regular clothes and I try to get all American made or German
made or Finnish made stuff.
I try to avoid all that stuff made in communist China and Bangladesh.
But it can be difficult for people.
It's like a part-time hobby to try to do that.
And then it limits you.
When you're buying a pair of work pants that cost you 70 bucks instead of the 20 bucks
you can get a pair of Dickies for, it does limit the number of work pants you can have
for sure.
And speaking about like work pants and work boots and stuff, one of the other things that
kind of popped up when I was looking up the Rutherford B. Hayes is a little thing from
Terry Pratchett.
I do not know who that is.
Oh, he's an author or was.
And he is the one that did the Discworld series.
I don't know if you're familiar with that.
But basically it's kind of a, I don't know, it's all very satirical of course, but Discworld
is the world is a disc and it's on the back of, what is it?
It's on the back of I think four elephants standing on top of a space tortoise.
And they actually send expeditions like over the edge of the disc to get a look at the
thing.
And one of the big arguments in the books, I guess, I haven't read, I think I maybe read
one of the books.
I mean, there's a ton of books in this series.
One of the things is they want to find out what gender the turtle is, the tortoise.
But it's way down because you have to go way down, you know, elephants and then the tortoise
and whatnot.
And he came up with this boot theory.
And so I'll just read it.
It's a little long, but that's okay.
We've got time.
The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend
less money.
Take boots for example.
He earned $38 a month plus allowances.
A really good pair of leather boots cost $50, but an affordable pair of boots, which were
sort of okay for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out,
cost about $10.
Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought and wore until the soles were so thin
that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the field of the cobbles.
And that's just the name of this kind of world and neighborhood he was writing about.
But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years.
A man who could afford $50 and had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet
dry in 10 years time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent
$100 on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.
This was Captain Samuel Vimes' boots theory of socioeconomic unfairness.
Which I guess is kind of true, you know, if you buy decent, you know, you can buy cheap
and get by for a bit, or you can buy quality and not have to worry.
Right.
But that doesn't, but that's not to say that everybody can afford to buy the quality either,
you know, so that's, I mean, that's kind of the point of Terry Pratchett was making.
Absolutely.
There's a Woody Guthrie line, which I'm not sure how many of our listeners are listening
to Woody Guthrie at the same rate that I do.
But there's a line in one of his songs that says, your $2 boots don't fit my feet.
It takes a $10 boot to fit my foot.
And I'm not going to take this, or I'm not going to be treated this way, you know.
It's like the same sentiment in a way, you know, where being poor means that you're limited
on what you can spend your money on.
And a lot of times you're getting a very inferior product.
Yeah.
And then you have to keep re-buying it.
Oh, absolutely.
Which could be the, you know, according to Terry Pratchett, could be the design all along.
Yes.
Well, you know, we live in, was it fast fashion is the trend.
Yeah.
But I mean, like, if you can't, if you can't buy a good pair of boots and you have to buy
the bad pair of boots and keep buying boots, you can't do things like invest in AMC or
GameStop and mess with the rich people's Wall Street money.
And get upset because they ban you from doing it, even though it's technically illegal.
Yes.
You know, for 300 bucks, you can get a decent pair of work boots.
For 400 bucks, you can get a very solid pair of work boots.
But I see people try, even I work with people that are salaried.
They're making plenty of money and they're trying to work with $125 work boots.
It's just like, really, dude?
Really?
Like, just go get a nice pair of boots.
I know you can afford it.
And of course, those are the same people that always complain about, you know, their feet
hurting and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
It's like, of course.
Don't be a fool.
You know, you're not going to damage them at the job, more or less.
You'll wear out the soles.
But anyway, not to get out.
Yeah.
Do you ever get your work boots resold?
Yeah.
Do you just buy a new pair?
Okay.
I get them resold.
Yeah.
You can see by a good enough pair of shoes, there's still people that do it, the cobblers,
that will resell shoes, even dress shoes.
There's three cobblers within 30 minutes of my house and I'm out in the middle of nowhere.
Oh, okay.
There's probably more than I'm aware of then.
There's loggers and there's all that sort of stuff.
And those loggers get their boots resold for the most part, you know.
Okay.
Yeah.
So I'm not sure if I'm quite halfway.
I'm approaching the halfway mark of this cigar and it has lost all hints of sweetness, I
think.
I think I got a little bit of sweetness the first inch or so.
But now I just, I don't think there's any flavor.
I'm a little less than halfway done.
It's a very good flavor as far as a cigar.
It's a good flavor.
I'm not, you know, again, it's just, I don't know that, I don't think the Irish cream is
coming through.
No, I might get a creaminess, but not sweetness.
Yeah.
It's definitely not sour.
No, no, no.
It's not acidic.
It doesn't have enough cigar.
Like the Bella Vanilla.
Yeah, you know, I don't know.
I guess we'll keep smoking and kind of see where it goes.
Yeah.
So I mean, it's not a dud.
It's not unpleasant.
No.
By any means, but I would not call this a flavored cigar at this point.
I think so.
I kind of let it sit for a bit and then the puff that I just took, there was a hint, a
hint of something.
Sure.
I think a better word we'll call Irish cream.
You are actually ahead of me on the cigar.
So I've been smoking it much slower than you.
Okay.
And I'm getting some creaminess, but not really Irish cream.
Yeah.
Yep.
So I'll just leave it at that.
But what are we going to do about the corporations, Mike?
Hard to say, right?
The buy less shit.
That's ultimately the answer.
Buy less shit.
And legally in the United States, corporations are human beings thanks to the Supreme Court.
So at this point, you almost have to get politicians in who are so outside of the mainstream, they
would be willing to support a constitutional amendment to make corporations businesses
again.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
It's almost beyond repair.
If the government is saying that corporations are people, then you're kind of fucked.
There's just not a whole lot that can be done at that point because they can spend legally,
corporations can give politicians unlimited amounts of money through various means.
I wonder who that benefits.
Right.
And now I know Ted Cruz, he just started a lawsuit last week or two weeks ago or something.
Okay.
A while ago where, so there's a loophole in the law where a politician can loan themselves
$250,000 from their campaign fund.
So they can loan from their private money, they can loan their campaign 250 grand.
They can charge interest to the campaign and collect on the interest.
So they can charge 25% interest, which is not illegal in the United States.
You can charge 25% interest so they can get back $250,000 plus 25% legally into their
pocket directly and they can do that over and over and over and over again.
In fact, they have to be paid back within like 30 days or something.
So Ted Cruz just loaned himself $260,000 at 20% interest or whatever to break the law
on purpose so he could sue to break the cap.
He thinks it's illegal.
Oh, to put a cap on it?
To put a cap on it, that they should just be able to take all the money from their corporate
donors and put it directly into their pocket without having anything to do with any limitations
or campaign funds or whatever.
Yeah.
And see, so that's where...
Because money is speech, you got to remember.
So Ted Cruz's argument is that it's morally right and just and legal for corporations
to give politicians money directly because that's human beings talking to their elected
representatives according to the law.
That's where I get a huge like American dream like sad funeral march noises or something
because when you say, hey, one day you could be like an Elon Musk or you could be a Donald
Trump or you could be a whatever.
These people, they have so much money, they think so differently with their money and
they can do things like this, loan themselves money and just make more money from nothing
because they bought all the laws that allow them to do it.
There's really no way for the average citizen to get into that upper echelon unless one
of those people brings you there for whatever reason.
Right.
And by the way, Ted Cruz is an extremely wealthy man.
His wife is on the board of Goldman Sachs or something like that.
And he was a Supreme Court lawyer.
They all are.
Absolutely.
They become mega millionaires.
How is Joe Biden a millionaire?
He's been in government his entire adult life.
Well, they're all millionaires and when they get into politics, they just exponentially
grow that.
Right.
But you can't really get to that level of politics without being a millionaire or a
multimillionaire because the smear campaigns that they could be ready against you, you
know, like you would go bankrupt trying to come up with better advertisements than they
have.
Sure.
I mean, it's hard to say.
Maybe in a smaller district, you could win a congressional seat without having a lot
of money.
Yeah, I feel a lot of those people are kind of like once and done though.
Oh, yeah, because the machine gets in there.
And then, yeah, if you're not playing ball.
Yeah, if you don't play ball with the machine.
Yeah, you're not going to get a chair, chairmanship for anything because you can't raise money
for the Democratic or the Republican Party, whatever.
This is for any of our listeners who are getting their hackles up.
I'm sure there's somebody who's trying to blame the other party.
This is a both sides issue.
I mean, Nancy Pelosi is an embezzling piece of shit, just the same as Ted Cruz or anybody
any of the other ones.
They're all the same as far as being corrupted, corrupted by money goes.
Even Bernie Sanders has been corrupted by money.
And his fame to claim is that he is the least corrupted by money.
But still corrupted.
But still corrupted, yeah.
I mean, these are, I don't know if we talked about this, but there was a, I don't know,
an interview with Bill Gates where they were asking him how much like a gallon of milk
cost.
And he literally had no idea.
And somebody was like, oh, it was so cute how Bill Gates didn't know how much a glass
of milk cost.
And somebody came back and was like, that's not cute.
That's sad.
These are the people that are kind of setting the prices and taxing us and doing inflation
and setting financial fiscal policies and things.
And they don't know how much basic necessities of life costs.
Just like the baby formula shortage.
It was, they introduced a bill to kind of jumpstart the baby formula production.
And something like 192 Republicans voted against it.
Probably the same people that voted for outlawing abortion.
So they don't care.
They just want the babies to be born, but they don't want them to be taken care of,
I guess.
Right.
Well, the people who are against abortion because of the right to life are also the
people who support all sorts of things that are against life, like war and executing criminals
and things of that nature, which I'm pro-executing criminals kind of in theory.
All right.
Well, let's get into that a little bit.
So I'm not morally against capital punishment, but in practice, it's just not practical.
In the US court system, for instance, in Minnesota, they don't have the death penalty.
And Minnesota saves a shit ton of money because without new evidence, once you're convicted
of a murder, let's say in Minnesota, you get one appeal.
And then if there's no new evidence and you lose the appeal, which is a second trial,
you're done until new evidence comes forward.
So there's two fucking trials and then it's over.
But if you get the death penalty, you have the right to have your local trial, your state
appeal court, your state Supreme Court, your federal court, your federal appeals court.
And then theoretically, you could put it in the Supreme Court docket and then they can
execute you.
So that's a shit ton of money wasted for no reason.
And it does cost a lot of money to house people in prison, but it doesn't cost that as much
as having lawyers tied up in court for years with trials and everything else.
Because you have a right to a trial by jury every time.
And you can get what?
I don't know how the states of execution work, but you can get those too.
Oh, sure.
Like I know in Hollywood, it's always like they're on the chair or something and somebody
runs in and is like, no, no, we got the state of execution.
And I don't know how often it happens like that.
But you know, there's lots of lots of things.
It's just not guess like not fiscally responsible as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah.
And there's something to be said about like the mental torment and anguish potentially
if they're wrongfully accused of what what being on death row would would do.
Sure, the Innocence Project has found hundreds of people.
Yeah.
Who were falsely convicted back in the day.
Yeah.
But before DNA evidence became borderline mandatory.
Yeah.
But yeah.
What do you think about it?
Ah, well, I guess like initially, I think that if you did a nonviolent crime, you shouldn't
you shouldn't be in prison.
I disagree.
OK, that financial crimes should be punished severely.
But by prison, though.
Yeah, I think by even more than prison sometimes, you know, the Bernie Madoff's of the world,
I think that him and his wife should have been publicly executed for sure.
I have no problem with that.
Not that I'm for not that it's economically feasible to have him go through all the courts,
procedures and everything.
But I see no no problem with that.
Personally, I don't think it's cruel or unusual for people who steal that much money.
Yeah.
And maybe, you know, and maybe there's there's certain limits or or upper bounds.
You know, that you have to kind of break to get into that into that realm.
I guess I wasn't when I said nonviolent crimes, I don't I wasn't really considering, you know,
like Bernie Madoff.
But the financial crime could be that it started as a financial crime, but they really fucked
over a lot of people's lives and livelihoods by doing that.
And so I think you'd have to show have to show that.
I don't know about, you know, like a possession of drugs.
But that's different than maybe like possession of drugs with intent to sell.
I don't know.
I think most drugs should be legal.
That way, you know what's in them, you know, the potency and and all that stuff.
But I agree.
I'm a hard liner on the drug issue, too, I guess.
I don't think that any drugs should be against the law.
There's a lot of people in prison that really didn't do anything.
You know, like if you're not violent, if you didn't swindle half the country or something,
I don't know.
Should you be getting free room and board access to a gym?
I don't know.
I think in some cases, a death penalty I'm fine with.
The only thing that kind of makes me nervous is, you know, that the innocent ones, because
no system will be perfect.
No, and that's why they have all the appeals.
You know, yeah, I just don't know that it's the I don't know if it's the right way to
do it or the right thing to do.
I'm perfectly I'm perfectly OK with life in prison for I mean, it sounds psychotic, but
I think it should be expanded.
I don't see any reason why rapists or pedophiles or, you know, wife beaters should get off
as late as they do.
No, no, I, you know, maybe I'm maybe I'm a crazy hardliner.
But if you're convicted of rape, you probably shouldn't be allowed out.
Yeah.
When I think about people that I would give the death penalty to, it's all those people
you just listed.
Right.
You know, and and I know that there's been studies on kind of like trying to reform the
the prisoner, the inmates and things.
And I don't I don't know that I don't know that you should discount that, but I don't
know how realistic that is in a lot of circumstances either.
It depends on what their quote unquote crime is.
If their quote unquote crime is being a petty drug dealer, then sure.
But if they're a sex trafficker, they're probably too far down the rabbit hole of a criminal
lifestyle to rehabilitate them at that point, at least in large enough numbers to make it
financially responsible to try.
Yeah.
We're not talking about somebody selling loose cigarettes on the side of the street, which
people have been killed for doing that by the police all the same.
You know, the 22nd most dangerous career.
Yes.
I was going to kick out of that.
Yeah.
You know, I guess I think the death penalty is kind of a slippery slope because, you know,
do you do you want to kill people and do you want and then the extension of that almost
is like the police force.
You know, do you want the police killing people?
And sometimes I understand there's there's circumstances and situations where, you know,
police are in a life threatening situation and need to do something to protect themselves
or protect somebody else.
But it seems and maybe it's just the media and maybe it's just people with with the message
that they're trying to get across that police are evil and bad, which I don't think is what
we're trying to say.
But it might be.
But I don't think so.
But they know they tend to use they tend to use lethal force in certain circumstances
that doesn't call for it.
See, I can't believe I'm going to defend the police here, but I am of the millions of police
interactions a year, possibly even tens of millions of police interactions a year.
There's a few hundred that are bad enough to make it on the news.
You know, people are people.
Police are going to make interpersonal poor decisions that don't make it to the news.
And then there's a few extreme cases like that are just egregious that make it out of
the news.
So let's say that there's five hundred a year.
I don't know how many there really are.
I'm sure there's a study that says it.
It's really not that common.
It's uncommon enough to where it makes it to the news.
If it was really common, it wouldn't make it to the news.
They would cover it up.
Yeah.
And the police the problem I have with police violence is when the uncommon does happen,
the police departments still try to protect the cops and they should because there's millions
and millions of interactions with officers every year that go perfectly fine, even when
there's a violent criminal involved or whatever.
You know, yeah.
So when there is a cop like a Derek Chauvin, they should hang him out to dry, which they
did in that instance.
Yeah, not initially, but they came around to it.
You know, but it's the same thing.
It's I don't know, you know, the police force kind of a fraternity.
You know, you're all out for the other person and you have to rely on them in certain cases,
you know, and you face potentially life threatening circumstances together and you have to do
that.
But that doesn't mean every single one of the police officers is a good person or makes
good decisions.
And sometimes they're just like anybody even in an office setting where, yeah, we're all
in this office building, but that doesn't mean, you know, you know, so and so down the
hall doesn't have a temper or so and so in the hall doesn't have an authority complex
or all that stuff.
The only difference between maybe like an office building and police officers is in
the office building, you're not generally carrying a gun all the time.
Right.
Well, I know that this is, again, another controversial thing.
My grandfather, who's been dead for many years now, told me that when he got out of World
War II, you couldn't it was hard to get a job initially.
And he ended up getting a job at the railroad and was a mason and all that sort of stuff.
But he applied to be a cop and the police departments in this area wouldn't hire World
War II vets.
They would only hire the guys who didn't go to the war.
OK, so the guys like my grandfather had no respect for the police, basically their entire
lives, you know, because they were the guys who went to war were a group together, you
know.
Yeah.
And the police were universally not from combat.
And because police violence has been an issue, even when I was a little kid, my grandfather
told me to basically be wary of the police, you know, you know, back in the day.
And I thought about that and I did a little bit of research.
And it was a common practice then post, you know, in the 40s and the 50s because they
didn't want the guys that had PTSD to come back and fucking start shooting people as
a police officer because they were aware that these guys were going to have problems from
their experience in World War I.
And now it's encouraged for police officers to be veterans.
And there's nothing wrong with being a veteran, obviously.
My dad was in for years and years.
My grandfather was in.
But if there is a problem with treating civilians like they're enemy combatants, and I think
that...
Well, and more and more police departments are getting more and more militarized with
their equipment and weapons and some of them even have like urban tanks.
Oh, yeah.
So they kind of need...
They need the veterans to teach them how to use that stuff.
Yeah.
Well, I think that's probably the problem too is that, I mean, even if these guys are
good guys, you put them in SWAT gear basically full time and you give them tactical shit,
you're going to be in that mode of like, let's go kill Iraqis, you know, except you're not
in Iraq, you're in downtown Sacramento.
Yeah.
And that's not good.
I know a couple of the police slash sheriff departments up here got those tanks, the MRACs
or whatever.
And a few of the local departments, one department in particular that I'm thinking of, they've
made a video of them jumping the fucking tank and they got in trouble.
Oh, I think I heard about that.
Yeah, they made a...
I mean, I'm not worried about the cops up here using a tank to hurt anybody.
I mean, these guys up here are good old boys.
They're here to harass tourists and teenage drinkers.
They're not like going around beating people up or whatever or anything like that, you
know.
Yeah.
But they wanted the tank so they could be abilities and jump cars and shit.
Like on the weekend for fun.
They're not ever intending on bringing this thing to Leech Lake or whatever.
Yeah.
They're not driving it over to Mille Lacs to police the fishing tournament.
But uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
Is there a tornado, Nate?
No, that's the...
They do a nine o'clock curfew here.
I don't know how in practice it is with law enforcement or the tanks that they have crawling
around the neighborhood right now.
Just kidding.
There's no tanks.
But it's like a holdover from the 40s or 50s.
This siren has gone off at nine o'clock at night for decades.
So I don't know if it's...
Oh, so it's a sign for the kids to go home.
Yeah.
I don't know if there's like legally a curfew that's enforced or if they just do it because
they've always done it.
Sure.
That's like the beard laws that are up here.
Yeah.
For people that don't know, there's a few places up north here where the railroad was
the dominant force and they made the guys shave in the 1800s.
So a lot of towns passed beard laws saying that people who lived in the city limits had
to have a beard for six months out of the year so they could circumvent the corporate
authority back then.
But anyway, what were you going to say?
I was going to say that I'm just about done with this cigar.
Maybe an inch left.
I got maybe an inch and a quarter.
It's okay.
Yeah.
It's okay.
I'm not getting a huge flavor from it.
It's definitely better than the Bella vanilla.
I'll say that.
But it doesn't come close to the moon trance.
No, it's not repulsive.
The moon trance was something special, I think.
It's borderline magical, really.
I mean, I really like them.
So what flavors do we have left then of these?
We have cherry and a honey maybe.
Yeah.
Okay.
I think that might be it.
I think we, I'm not sure if we should talk about it on air, but I'm pretty sure we have
that torpedo as well.
Okay.
If we do have the torpedo, it's a moon trance torpedo that we might have.
We were going to smoke that one just to see if the torpedo is any different, right?
Yeah.
We can cap off the experience.
I might have an extra one so I could shoot that one to you.
Okay.
So you could have two for potential guest usage.
Yes.
I'm going to have to search my humidor though.
I can't remember if I bought them, how many I bought when I bought them.
I'll have to look at mine too to see what I got.
Because I know I have a moon trance, but I guess I didn't look to see if it was a torpedo
or not.
I was just trying to find the cigar for tonight.
So for this episode.
So yeah, I guess the Eileen stream, if you're going into it wanting an Irish cream flavor,
it's probably not it.
But if you want a CAO, it's not offensive.
As kind of a, you get a creamy, creamy taste.
I wouldn't say consistently throughout, but you do get, I don't know, hints of that throughout
the cigar.
Yeah.
It's, you know, it's okay.
This is a, I would say it's a dud as well, but it's not, it's a meh.
It's not a bad, it's not horrible.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I guess here's a good question.
Trying to just place this somewhere where you and I can wrap our heads around it and
hopefully our listeners can wrap our heads around it.
Would you rather smoke Eileen's dream or the bin Maduro?
Not the tequila Maduro.
They're similar.
They're very similar in my mind.
I feel rather smoke the bin Maduro cause it's cheaper.
Okay.
Yeah.
I would say that I might just for taste wise, flavor wise, I might give the edge to this
Eileen stream.
Yeah.
But the, but the price would be a big, big factor.
So it's not good enough for me to say that this is better than the bin Maduro.
I guess the bin Maduro really didn't have that much flavor until we put tequila on it.
Yeah.
I would, I, you know what, I would probably only buy those bin Maduros to put tequila
on them because it was fantastic with the tequila.
Yeah.
I don't, you know what, I guess like, so here's a good question.
And these are probably too expensive of cigars to, you know, do this a lot, but would tequila
improve a flavored cigar like this?
You know, probably, probably.
I don't think it would help the, the, I don't think you'd get the flavor they want you to
get out of it, but it would probably make it more full bodied on this cigar.
Yes.
Um, the vanilla cigar, gosh, I don't know what would help that.
I think that'd be weird.
Yeah.
That was not a very, that was unpleasant to smoke, to be honest.
Yeah.
I highly, highly recommend not buying that.
This Eileen's dream, it's okay.
I mean, I would not suggest anybody go out and get one.
No.
To be perfectly honest.
Uh, but, uh, it's not offensive.
It's fine.
No.
I am curious.
I'm sure somebody out there loves it.
Yeah.
So I guess that's kind of the, the differentiating factor for me is Eileen's dream.
I can, I can see people enjoying it.
Uh, whereas, whereas the Bella vanilla, um, and I even said at the end of the last episode,
like I was struggling to picture somebody who would enjoy this cigar.
Um, certainly if you, if you enjoyed the Bella vanilla, uh, then you're listening to us,
I mean, that's fine.
We're not saying don't enjoy it.
We're not trying to poo poo, uh, your tastes.
Uh, but I just, there's so many better cigars, I think out there.
It was very kind of acidic and harsh.
Right.
Yeah.
It's not a, it's not for everybody.
That's for sure.
Yup.
That'd get us a nice way.
See, I'm still smoking this Eileen's dream.
I'm going to smoke it down to a nub.
Yup.
I smoke mine down to a nub.
You know, it's, it's fine.
I would definitely say it'd be okay to smoke on a lawnmower.
Um, which isn't saying a lot.
Really.
I don't know.
But, uh, it's, it's, it's okay.
It's not bad.
Yeah.
That'd be a fine one to give away.
Um, uh, I wouldn't give it to anybody.
Okay.
I wouldn't because then that then the gift giving process is, you know, I would want
to give something better.
You can give it to an enemy.
Yeah.
You know, I'd give it to, uh, Donald Biden for sure.
Yeah.
You know, yeah, there's, I mean, there's better cigars.
Um, it wasn't entirely unenjoyable.
The Eileen's dream.
Um, but not one that I would go and smoke again, probably.
No, I'll never smoke one of these again.
I guess I shouldn't never say never.
If somebody gave me one, I would smoke it.
Yeah.
If I didn't have anything else to smoke.
Or if they were one of those people that were like, here, let me give you a cigar.
I heard you like cigars.
I want to watch you smoke it now.
Like you'd almost have to, but I've never met anybody like that, but you know, you should
show me those people because I would love to give you cigars.
Yeah.
So yeah, Eileen's dream is definitely not recommended, but it's not, uh, uh, I'm not
discouraging anybody from trying it either.
Yeah.
I wonder if we kind of messed up by starting with the Moon Trance.
Uh, I don't think so.
I don't think so because, uh, I knew the Moon Trance was good and I wanted to start off
on a positive note.
Yeah.
Get people, uh, get everybody, including you, invested.
Yes.
Excited for the flavor showdown.
Right.
Yeah.
Cause the Moon Trance, like I say, I mean, I've been smoking those for years and I, I
just, I can't get enough of them.
Um, but these are just trash.
Just trash.
Yeah.
Well, you know what else they say is trash, not a sponsor.
No trash is, uh, either are, uh, the police.
Nope.
Uh, and, and neither are a CAO for that matter.
No, no, not yet.
Ha ha ha.
Not yet.
Maybe they'll, maybe they'll listen to this and send us a box of, uh, Bella vanilla each.
Right.
Yeah.
Please, please don't.
Yeah.
Thorough Good Boots and Danner, that's who should sponsor us.
Okay.
I don't know.
Anybody who's out there who works for a living, quote unquote, uh, the Danner power foreman's,
I highly recommend if you have a narrow foot, which I do not have a very wide foot, but,
uh, otherwise get a pair of thorough goods.
They're pretty good too.
I don't really like any of the work red wings.
I do like, uh, the heritage red wings.
They're really awesome.
I'd wear those for work boots, but, uh, you know, you have to have steel toes pretty much
everywhere on this planet if you want to work maintenance.
So or construction, but, uh, and if a police, they like their Danners too.
So yeah, good, good.
You know what boots to get and which cigars not to.
Yes.
Have a good week guys.
Yep.
Thanks for listening.