1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,520 Alright, welcome to Nice Ashes. 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:09,520 I'm Mike. 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,800 And I'm Nate. 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:18,600 And so, I just, we didn't talk about this last time, but these CAO flavors, they have 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:24,480 a nice little kind of wooden and ribbon wrapper. 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:25,480 They do. 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,120 They have very good packaging. 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:35,520 And tonight we are smoking Eileen's Dream, which Mike informs me is Irish cream flavored. 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:36,520 Yes. 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:37,520 This is a Robusto. 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:42,840 Looks to be 52, 54 gauge, 52 gauge probably. 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,360 You can look it up. 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:52,760 So initially, I feel it's better than the Bella Vanilla. 14 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:59,480 I after the first puff or two here, I have to concur with that. 15 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,480 It's also a significantly darker wrapper, which might be it. 16 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:04,480 Yeah. 17 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,240 And it's a little, I mean, it's a little harsh at the get go here. 18 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:14,080 I think, especially for like a flavored, flavored thing. 19 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,600 So it is definitely initially a little harsh. 20 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:22,680 But I am getting kind of a creamy, you know, Irish cream-esque flavor. 21 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:27,160 I don't know if you just handed me one and had me drink it or drink it. 22 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:28,160 Whoops. 23 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:33,040 If you just handed me one and had me smoke it and had me guess what flavor this is, I 24 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,960 don't know if I could place it actually. 25 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:41,080 I'm definitely not getting any sweetness off the wrapper with my lips and I'm not getting 26 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,160 any flavor yet. 27 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,800 But I feel like the Moon Trance did take a little, I'm getting a little bit of sweet 28 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:56,640 on the puff, but not to the extent that I could distinctively tell you this is Irish 29 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:57,640 cream. 30 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:58,640 Sure. 31 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:04,760 I'm not seeing, I don't know if I'm getting any sweetness that I would say is more than 32 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,000 what I would get off of just a sweeter tobacco. 33 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Yeah. 34 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:14,160 So I've got a little game envisioned for you, Mike. 35 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,560 A little trivia, as it were. 36 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:29,000 I've got a quote that I want to read and then I want to see if you know who said it. 37 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:35,360 And then this will kick off our topic for this episode. 38 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,280 So here's the quote. 39 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,400 This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people no longer. 40 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,400 It is a government of corporations, by corporations, and for corporations. 41 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:55,460 Ooh, I'm going to say Jesus Christ. 42 00:02:55,460 --> 00:03:01,960 You know that's close, it was actually Moses. 43 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,920 My second favorite founding father, Moses. 44 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:08,440 Yes. 45 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,800 We're not a Christian nation, we're Moses nation. 46 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,120 Have you ever seen that painting where it has the founding fathers and Jesus and Moses 47 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,120 in there? 48 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,120 Oh no. 49 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,560 Do you have the other Bible characters? 50 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,120 There's another real bad one. 51 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:27,240 It's the United Nations building and Jesus is like the size of Godzilla and he's like 52 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:33,060 knocking on the window on like the 120th floor or something like that. 53 00:03:33,060 --> 00:03:34,760 It's a goofy picture, man. 54 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:41,320 If you Google like Jesus United Nations, you'll probably see it, but we saw that once and 55 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:47,760 it just it's like in my it burned itself into my brain. 56 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,120 I think that my lovely spouse has arrived home. 57 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:56,280 I don't know if you could hear her music in the background, but I'm hearing her greet 58 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:57,480 the dog in the kennel. 59 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,440 Oh, I can hear some music, but as long as it's not Disney music, we shouldn't get any 60 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:02,440 takedown notices. 61 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:07,300 No, it was very heavy metal, very heavy, very heavy metal. 62 00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:10,280 So it was on my end. 63 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:18,080 For those who who are listening, my third podcast host, she needed a kennel, so I built 64 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,240 one and spent the last two weekends building her one. 65 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:27,600 And so now she's all excited to be out there. 66 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,420 But anyway, continue on, Nate, continue on. 67 00:04:31,420 --> 00:04:32,840 So who was the quote? 68 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:33,840 All right. 69 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:35,880 So you're thinking like founding father? 70 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,440 No, no, no, no, no. 71 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,880 I'm thinking modern person realistically. 72 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:47,560 OK, maybe Christopher Hitchens or Noam Chomsky or somebody of that nature, or maybe Tucker 73 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:48,560 Carlson. 74 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,240 The answer may surprise you. 75 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:57,040 This was said by Rutherford B. Hayes, the 19th president of the United States, and he 76 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,200 was president from 1877 to 1881. 77 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:01,760 Wow. 78 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,640 Wow. 79 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,960 That's a shocker. 80 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,280 I know. 81 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:09,840 That is crazy. 82 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:17,140 That's why I thought you would get a kick out of that. 83 00:05:17,140 --> 00:05:18,140 That was definitely interesting. 84 00:05:18,140 --> 00:05:21,480 You got another one for me? 85 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:22,480 Well, I don't know. 86 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:27,320 So I don't know that much about Rutherford B. Hayes, only that he only served one term 87 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,080 because he said he would. 88 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:34,480 I looked it up a little bit, and I guess he and his opponent didn't win enough votes to 89 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,040 win the election. 90 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:42,880 So they decided to let Rutherford B. Hayes do it because of the way the election system 91 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,720 works in our country. 92 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,720 If nobody gets enough votes to do it, I think the House gets to decide. 93 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,880 Yeah, they do. 94 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,000 And so he did that. 95 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:59,080 And I don't know that much else about him, but it was fascinating that somebody of that 96 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:05,280 era, and he died, I think, in 1889 or 1890 or something. 97 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:08,280 So he didn't even see the turn of the century. 98 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:13,760 But for somebody to say that back then, and I feel like it's only gotten- 99 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:19,520 Well, back then was, you have to remember that was right before, 1870s was right before 100 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:28,640 the Gilded Age, and that was the height of evilness in corporate America. 101 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:29,640 That was like- 102 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:30,640 Was it though? 103 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:35,280 Led to the progressive era, as they call it. 104 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:41,240 I think so because they had child labor and all kinds of crazy shit. 105 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,200 People should, I don't know how much they cover it in the standard history class in 106 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:46,200 high school nowadays. 107 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,200 Yeah, I don't know about nowadays. 108 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:54,280 I remember learning about Upton Sinclair in the jungle and some other working conditions 109 00:06:54,280 --> 00:06:57,040 and stuff like that. 110 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,360 But I guess I don't know if the corporations, I don't think the corporations are any weaker 111 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,840 nowadays. 112 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:07,320 Now they're back to being extremely powerful. 113 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:12,920 They just export a lot of the really bad shit. 114 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:20,520 And they make everybody here a wage slave, so they can't resist the system more or less. 115 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:27,200 I feel like you talked about that briefly where it's like you can't really vote with 116 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:35,680 your dollar anymore because if Amazon's cheaper, you can't afford the real price because with 117 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:43,080 inflation and everything and they pass all the taxes and everything down to the consumer. 118 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,080 Right. 119 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,080 They do. 120 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:55,600 I don't know, it drives me nuts when people, you know, I buy my work clothes and my work 121 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:01,000 boots and my shoes and my regular clothes and I try to get all American made or German 122 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,960 made or Finnish made stuff. 123 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:09,440 I try to avoid all that stuff made in communist China and Bangladesh. 124 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,120 But it can be difficult for people. 125 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,880 It's like a part-time hobby to try to do that. 126 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,160 And then it limits you. 127 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,960 When you're buying a pair of work pants that cost you 70 bucks instead of the 20 bucks 128 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:28,400 you can get a pair of Dickies for, it does limit the number of work pants you can have 129 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,880 for sure. 130 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,660 And speaking about like work pants and work boots and stuff, one of the other things that 131 00:08:34,660 --> 00:08:47,520 kind of popped up when I was looking up the Rutherford B. Hayes is a little thing from 132 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,400 Terry Pratchett. 133 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,080 I do not know who that is. 134 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,940 Oh, he's an author or was. 135 00:08:56,940 --> 00:09:02,240 And he is the one that did the Discworld series. 136 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,240 I don't know if you're familiar with that. 137 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:13,600 But basically it's kind of a, I don't know, it's all very satirical of course, but Discworld 138 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:19,600 is the world is a disc and it's on the back of, what is it? 139 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:25,960 It's on the back of I think four elephants standing on top of a space tortoise. 140 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,920 And they actually send expeditions like over the edge of the disc to get a look at the 141 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:31,920 thing. 142 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:38,560 And one of the big arguments in the books, I guess, I haven't read, I think I maybe read 143 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:39,560 one of the books. 144 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:41,800 I mean, there's a ton of books in this series. 145 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,000 One of the things is they want to find out what gender the turtle is, the tortoise. 146 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:51,460 But it's way down because you have to go way down, you know, elephants and then the tortoise 147 00:09:51,460 --> 00:09:54,500 and whatnot. 148 00:09:54,500 --> 00:09:58,080 And he came up with this boot theory. 149 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,640 And so I'll just read it. 150 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,760 It's a little long, but that's okay. 151 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:03,760 We've got time. 152 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:08,600 The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend 153 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:09,820 less money. 154 00:10:09,820 --> 00:10:10,960 Take boots for example. 155 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,120 He earned $38 a month plus allowances. 156 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,840 A really good pair of leather boots cost $50, but an affordable pair of boots, which were 157 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,840 sort of okay for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, 158 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,200 cost about $10. 159 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,600 Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought and wore until the soles were so thin 160 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:36,240 that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the field of the cobbles. 161 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:41,720 And that's just the name of this kind of world and neighborhood he was writing about. 162 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,840 But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. 163 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,840 A man who could afford $50 and had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet 164 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,120 dry in 10 years time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent 165 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,960 $100 on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet. 166 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:05,520 This was Captain Samuel Vimes' boots theory of socioeconomic unfairness. 167 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:11,960 Which I guess is kind of true, you know, if you buy decent, you know, you can buy cheap 168 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:20,080 and get by for a bit, or you can buy quality and not have to worry. 169 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,080 Right. 170 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:28,900 But that doesn't, but that's not to say that everybody can afford to buy the quality either, 171 00:11:28,900 --> 00:11:32,360 you know, so that's, I mean, that's kind of the point of Terry Pratchett was making. 172 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:33,360 Absolutely. 173 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:39,360 There's a Woody Guthrie line, which I'm not sure how many of our listeners are listening 174 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,360 to Woody Guthrie at the same rate that I do. 175 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:51,880 But there's a line in one of his songs that says, your $2 boots don't fit my feet. 176 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,360 It takes a $10 boot to fit my foot. 177 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:59,200 And I'm not going to take this, or I'm not going to be treated this way, you know. 178 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:07,880 It's like the same sentiment in a way, you know, where being poor means that you're limited 179 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,680 on what you can spend your money on. 180 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:13,120 And a lot of times you're getting a very inferior product. 181 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:14,120 Yeah. 182 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,120 And then you have to keep re-buying it. 183 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,680 Oh, absolutely. 184 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:24,840 Which could be the, you know, according to Terry Pratchett, could be the design all along. 185 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:25,840 Yes. 186 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:26,840 Yes. 187 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,720 Well, you know, we live in, was it fast fashion is the trend. 188 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:32,720 Yeah. 189 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,160 But I mean, like, if you can't, if you can't buy a good pair of boots and you have to buy 190 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,720 the bad pair of boots and keep buying boots, you can't do things like invest in AMC or 191 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,320 GameStop and mess with the rich people's Wall Street money. 192 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:53,200 And get upset because they ban you from doing it, even though it's technically illegal. 193 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,200 Yes. 194 00:12:54,200 --> 00:13:00,280 You know, for 300 bucks, you can get a decent pair of work boots. 195 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:05,360 For 400 bucks, you can get a very solid pair of work boots. 196 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:10,920 But I see people try, even I work with people that are salaried. 197 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,720 They're making plenty of money and they're trying to work with $125 work boots. 198 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:20,360 It's just like, really, dude? 199 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,360 Really? 200 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,280 Like, just go get a nice pair of boots. 201 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,080 I know you can afford it. 202 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:32,760 And of course, those are the same people that always complain about, you know, their feet 203 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,400 hurting and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 204 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,480 It's like, of course. 205 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:38,480 Don't be a fool. 206 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:45,880 You know, you're not going to damage them at the job, more or less. 207 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,040 You'll wear out the soles. 208 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,400 But anyway, not to get out. 209 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,400 Yeah. 210 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,200 Do you ever get your work boots resold? 211 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:54,200 Yeah. 212 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:55,200 Do you just buy a new pair? 213 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,200 Okay. 214 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,200 I get them resold. 215 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:58,200 Yeah. 216 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:09,360 You can see by a good enough pair of shoes, there's still people that do it, the cobblers, 217 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,480 that will resell shoes, even dress shoes. 218 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:17,360 There's three cobblers within 30 minutes of my house and I'm out in the middle of nowhere. 219 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:18,360 Oh, okay. 220 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,360 There's probably more than I'm aware of then. 221 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,160 There's loggers and there's all that sort of stuff. 222 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,000 And those loggers get their boots resold for the most part, you know. 223 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,000 Okay. 224 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,000 Yeah. 225 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,160 So I'm not sure if I'm quite halfway. 226 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:41,440 I'm approaching the halfway mark of this cigar and it has lost all hints of sweetness, I 227 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:42,440 think. 228 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:49,640 I think I got a little bit of sweetness the first inch or so. 229 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:57,200 But now I just, I don't think there's any flavor. 230 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:03,240 I'm a little less than halfway done. 231 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,360 It's a very good flavor as far as a cigar. 232 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,040 It's a good flavor. 233 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:14,580 I'm not, you know, again, it's just, I don't know that, I don't think the Irish cream is 234 00:15:14,580 --> 00:15:15,840 coming through. 235 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:20,320 No, I might get a creaminess, but not sweetness. 236 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:21,320 Yeah. 237 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,320 It's definitely not sour. 238 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:24,320 No, no, no. 239 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:25,320 It's not acidic. 240 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:26,320 It doesn't have enough cigar. 241 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,960 Like the Bella Vanilla. 242 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,920 Yeah, you know, I don't know. 243 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,800 I guess we'll keep smoking and kind of see where it goes. 244 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:38,800 Yeah. 245 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,440 So I mean, it's not a dud. 246 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,440 It's not unpleasant. 247 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:42,440 No. 248 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:48,480 By any means, but I would not call this a flavored cigar at this point. 249 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:49,640 I think so. 250 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:59,000 I kind of let it sit for a bit and then the puff that I just took, there was a hint, a 251 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,000 hint of something. 252 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Sure. 253 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,840 I think a better word we'll call Irish cream. 254 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,280 You are actually ahead of me on the cigar. 255 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,080 So I've been smoking it much slower than you. 256 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,080 Okay. 257 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,320 And I'm getting some creaminess, but not really Irish cream. 258 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:17,320 Yeah. 259 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:18,320 Yep. 260 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:27,960 So I'll just leave it at that. 261 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:36,200 But what are we going to do about the corporations, Mike? 262 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:37,200 Hard to say, right? 263 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:38,960 The buy less shit. 264 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,400 That's ultimately the answer. 265 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,440 Buy less shit. 266 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:53,400 And legally in the United States, corporations are human beings thanks to the Supreme Court. 267 00:16:53,400 --> 00:17:02,600 So at this point, you almost have to get politicians in who are so outside of the mainstream, they 268 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:09,640 would be willing to support a constitutional amendment to make corporations businesses 269 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,440 again. 270 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,520 You know what I mean? 271 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:14,880 Yeah. 272 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,880 It's almost beyond repair. 273 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:26,080 If the government is saying that corporations are people, then you're kind of fucked. 274 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:33,160 There's just not a whole lot that can be done at that point because they can spend legally, 275 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:38,960 corporations can give politicians unlimited amounts of money through various means. 276 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,880 I wonder who that benefits. 277 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,700 Right. 278 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:49,680 And now I know Ted Cruz, he just started a lawsuit last week or two weeks ago or something. 279 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:50,680 Okay. 280 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:57,400 A while ago where, so there's a loophole in the law where a politician can loan themselves 281 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:03,000 $250,000 from their campaign fund. 282 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:09,960 So they can loan from their private money, they can loan their campaign 250 grand. 283 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,760 They can charge interest to the campaign and collect on the interest. 284 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:20,160 So they can charge 25% interest, which is not illegal in the United States. 285 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:30,160 You can charge 25% interest so they can get back $250,000 plus 25% legally into their 286 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,160 pocket directly and they can do that over and over and over and over again. 287 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:39,080 In fact, they have to be paid back within like 30 days or something. 288 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:48,200 So Ted Cruz just loaned himself $260,000 at 20% interest or whatever to break the law 289 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:54,120 on purpose so he could sue to break the cap. 290 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:55,120 He thinks it's illegal. 291 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:57,680 Oh, to put a cap on it? 292 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:02,880 To put a cap on it, that they should just be able to take all the money from their corporate 293 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:08,720 donors and put it directly into their pocket without having anything to do with any limitations 294 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,760 or campaign funds or whatever. 295 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:11,760 Yeah. 296 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,520 And see, so that's where... 297 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,240 Because money is speech, you got to remember. 298 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:23,000 So Ted Cruz's argument is that it's morally right and just and legal for corporations 299 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:29,080 to give politicians money directly because that's human beings talking to their elected 300 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,480 representatives according to the law. 301 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:42,520 That's where I get a huge like American dream like sad funeral march noises or something 302 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:48,160 because when you say, hey, one day you could be like an Elon Musk or you could be a Donald 303 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,560 Trump or you could be a whatever. 304 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,360 These people, they have so much money, they think so differently with their money and 305 00:19:55,360 --> 00:20:01,040 they can do things like this, loan themselves money and just make more money from nothing 306 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,720 because they bought all the laws that allow them to do it. 307 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:10,240 There's really no way for the average citizen to get into that upper echelon unless one 308 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:16,280 of those people brings you there for whatever reason. 309 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:17,840 Right. 310 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,160 And by the way, Ted Cruz is an extremely wealthy man. 311 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,400 His wife is on the board of Goldman Sachs or something like that. 312 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,720 And he was a Supreme Court lawyer. 313 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:28,720 They all are. 314 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:29,720 Absolutely. 315 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,040 They become mega millionaires. 316 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:33,320 How is Joe Biden a millionaire? 317 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,640 He's been in government his entire adult life. 318 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:40,840 Well, they're all millionaires and when they get into politics, they just exponentially 319 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:41,840 grow that. 320 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:42,840 Right. 321 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:49,240 But you can't really get to that level of politics without being a millionaire or a 322 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,680 multimillionaire because the smear campaigns that they could be ready against you, you 323 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:58,240 know, like you would go bankrupt trying to come up with better advertisements than they 324 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,240 have. 325 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,240 Sure. 326 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,360 I mean, it's hard to say. 327 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:07,600 Maybe in a smaller district, you could win a congressional seat without having a lot 328 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:08,600 of money. 329 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,840 Yeah, I feel a lot of those people are kind of like once and done though. 330 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,360 Oh, yeah, because the machine gets in there. 331 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:18,320 And then, yeah, if you're not playing ball. 332 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,240 Yeah, if you don't play ball with the machine. 333 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:25,960 Yeah, you're not going to get a chair, chairmanship for anything because you can't raise money 334 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,020 for the Democratic or the Republican Party, whatever. 335 00:21:29,020 --> 00:21:34,320 This is for any of our listeners who are getting their hackles up. 336 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,760 I'm sure there's somebody who's trying to blame the other party. 337 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,600 This is a both sides issue. 338 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:47,800 I mean, Nancy Pelosi is an embezzling piece of shit, just the same as Ted Cruz or anybody 339 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,400 any of the other ones. 340 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:56,320 They're all the same as far as being corrupted, corrupted by money goes. 341 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,400 Even Bernie Sanders has been corrupted by money. 342 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:03,600 And his fame to claim is that he is the least corrupted by money. 343 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,600 But still corrupted. 344 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:05,600 But still corrupted, yeah. 345 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:13,040 I mean, these are, I don't know if we talked about this, but there was a, I don't know, 346 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,920 an interview with Bill Gates where they were asking him how much like a gallon of milk 347 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,120 cost. 348 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:23,560 And he literally had no idea. 349 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:30,360 And somebody was like, oh, it was so cute how Bill Gates didn't know how much a glass 350 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:31,880 of milk cost. 351 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,560 And somebody came back and was like, that's not cute. 352 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:35,560 That's sad. 353 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:41,120 These are the people that are kind of setting the prices and taxing us and doing inflation 354 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:45,080 and setting financial fiscal policies and things. 355 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:51,360 And they don't know how much basic necessities of life costs. 356 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:55,280 Just like the baby formula shortage. 357 00:22:55,280 --> 00:23:03,720 It was, they introduced a bill to kind of jumpstart the baby formula production. 358 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,240 And something like 192 Republicans voted against it. 359 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:13,520 Probably the same people that voted for outlawing abortion. 360 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,520 So they don't care. 361 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,640 They just want the babies to be born, but they don't want them to be taken care of, 362 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,640 I guess. 363 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:19,640 Right. 364 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:26,920 Well, the people who are against abortion because of the right to life are also the 365 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:36,840 people who support all sorts of things that are against life, like war and executing criminals 366 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:43,920 and things of that nature, which I'm pro-executing criminals kind of in theory. 367 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,920 All right. 368 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,480 Well, let's get into that a little bit. 369 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:56,320 So I'm not morally against capital punishment, but in practice, it's just not practical. 370 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:05,520 In the US court system, for instance, in Minnesota, they don't have the death penalty. 371 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,880 And Minnesota saves a shit ton of money because without new evidence, once you're convicted 372 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:16,480 of a murder, let's say in Minnesota, you get one appeal. 373 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:21,200 And then if there's no new evidence and you lose the appeal, which is a second trial, 374 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,360 you're done until new evidence comes forward. 375 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:27,680 So there's two fucking trials and then it's over. 376 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:34,920 But if you get the death penalty, you have the right to have your local trial, your state 377 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:41,160 appeal court, your state Supreme Court, your federal court, your federal appeals court. 378 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,760 And then theoretically, you could put it in the Supreme Court docket and then they can 379 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,720 execute you. 380 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:54,040 So that's a shit ton of money wasted for no reason. 381 00:24:54,040 --> 00:25:01,760 And it does cost a lot of money to house people in prison, but it doesn't cost that as much 382 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:07,280 as having lawyers tied up in court for years with trials and everything else. 383 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:12,320 Because you have a right to a trial by jury every time. 384 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,320 And you can get what? 385 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:19,720 I don't know how the states of execution work, but you can get those too. 386 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,760 Oh, sure. 387 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,680 Like I know in Hollywood, it's always like they're on the chair or something and somebody 388 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,920 runs in and is like, no, no, we got the state of execution. 389 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,040 And I don't know how often it happens like that. 390 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:40,280 But you know, there's lots of lots of things. 391 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,760 It's just not guess like not fiscally responsible as far as I'm concerned. 392 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:45,800 Yeah. 393 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:52,160 And there's something to be said about like the mental torment and anguish potentially 394 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,800 if they're wrongfully accused of what what being on death row would would do. 395 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,880 Sure, the Innocence Project has found hundreds of people. 396 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:02,880 Yeah. 397 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,200 Who were falsely convicted back in the day. 398 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,200 Yeah. 399 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,200 But before DNA evidence became borderline mandatory. 400 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,200 Yeah. 401 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,200 But yeah. 402 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,400 What do you think about it? 403 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:26,760 Ah, well, I guess like initially, I think that if you did a nonviolent crime, you shouldn't 404 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:32,600 you shouldn't be in prison. 405 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:33,600 I disagree. 406 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:40,800 OK, that financial crimes should be punished severely. 407 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:41,800 But by prison, though. 408 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:47,840 Yeah, I think by even more than prison sometimes, you know, the Bernie Madoff's of the world, 409 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:53,960 I think that him and his wife should have been publicly executed for sure. 410 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,280 I have no problem with that. 411 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:03,120 Not that I'm for not that it's economically feasible to have him go through all the courts, 412 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:04,800 procedures and everything. 413 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,040 But I see no no problem with that. 414 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:12,880 Personally, I don't think it's cruel or unusual for people who steal that much money. 415 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:13,880 Yeah. 416 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:20,320 And maybe, you know, and maybe there's there's certain limits or or upper bounds. 417 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:27,440 You know, that you have to kind of break to get into that into that realm. 418 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,880 I guess I wasn't when I said nonviolent crimes, I don't I wasn't really considering, you know, 419 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:38,720 like Bernie Madoff. 420 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:49,760 But the financial crime could be that it started as a financial crime, but they really fucked 421 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:57,520 over a lot of people's lives and livelihoods by doing that. 422 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,760 And so I think you'd have to show have to show that. 423 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:07,040 I don't know about, you know, like a possession of drugs. 424 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,560 But that's different than maybe like possession of drugs with intent to sell. 425 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:11,680 I don't know. 426 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,000 I think most drugs should be legal. 427 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,600 That way, you know what's in them, you know, the potency and and all that stuff. 428 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,760 But I agree. 429 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,040 I'm a hard liner on the drug issue, too, I guess. 430 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,360 I don't think that any drugs should be against the law. 431 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:32,760 There's a lot of people in prison that really didn't do anything. 432 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:40,920 You know, like if you're not violent, if you didn't swindle half the country or something, 433 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:41,920 I don't know. 434 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:42,920 I don't know. 435 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,800 Should you be getting free room and board access to a gym? 436 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,920 I don't know. 437 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:56,440 I think in some cases, a death penalty I'm fine with. 438 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:02,880 The only thing that kind of makes me nervous is, you know, that the innocent ones, because 439 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,880 no system will be perfect. 440 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,600 No, and that's why they have all the appeals. 441 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,160 You know, yeah, I just don't know that it's the I don't know if it's the right way to 442 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:20,160 do it or the right thing to do. 443 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:27,520 I'm perfectly I'm perfectly OK with life in prison for I mean, it sounds psychotic, but 444 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,320 I think it should be expanded. 445 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:35,940 I don't see any reason why rapists or pedophiles or, you know, wife beaters should get off 446 00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:37,440 as late as they do. 447 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:43,140 No, no, I, you know, maybe I'm maybe I'm a crazy hardliner. 448 00:29:43,140 --> 00:29:46,360 But if you're convicted of rape, you probably shouldn't be allowed out. 449 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,360 Yeah. 450 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:53,280 When I think about people that I would give the death penalty to, it's all those people 451 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,280 you just listed. 452 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,400 Right. 453 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:03,720 You know, and and I know that there's been studies on kind of like trying to reform the 454 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,920 the prisoner, the inmates and things. 455 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,520 And I don't I don't know that I don't know that you should discount that, but I don't 456 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,400 know how realistic that is in a lot of circumstances either. 457 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,880 It depends on what their quote unquote crime is. 458 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:28,840 If their quote unquote crime is being a petty drug dealer, then sure. 459 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:35,560 But if they're a sex trafficker, they're probably too far down the rabbit hole of a criminal 460 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:41,920 lifestyle to rehabilitate them at that point, at least in large enough numbers to make it 461 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,440 financially responsible to try. 462 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,440 Yeah. 463 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:52,200 We're not talking about somebody selling loose cigarettes on the side of the street, which 464 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:58,320 people have been killed for doing that by the police all the same. 465 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:04,120 You know, the 22nd most dangerous career. 466 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,800 Yes. 467 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:14,280 I was going to kick out of that. 468 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,280 Yeah. 469 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:23,240 You know, I guess I think the death penalty is kind of a slippery slope because, you know, 470 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:30,000 do you do you want to kill people and do you want and then the extension of that almost 471 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,320 is like the police force. 472 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,040 You know, do you want the police killing people? 473 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:45,660 And sometimes I understand there's there's circumstances and situations where, you know, 474 00:31:45,660 --> 00:31:51,480 police are in a life threatening situation and need to do something to protect themselves 475 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,400 or protect somebody else. 476 00:31:54,400 --> 00:32:00,020 But it seems and maybe it's just the media and maybe it's just people with with the message 477 00:32:00,020 --> 00:32:04,160 that they're trying to get across that police are evil and bad, which I don't think is what 478 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,800 we're trying to say. 479 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,160 But it might be. 480 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,400 But I don't think so. 481 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:16,680 But they know they tend to use they tend to use lethal force in certain circumstances 482 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,640 that doesn't call for it. 483 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:27,480 See, I can't believe I'm going to defend the police here, but I am of the millions of police 484 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:35,000 interactions a year, possibly even tens of millions of police interactions a year. 485 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:40,080 There's a few hundred that are bad enough to make it on the news. 486 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,320 You know, people are people. 487 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:48,420 Police are going to make interpersonal poor decisions that don't make it to the news. 488 00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:55,560 And then there's a few extreme cases like that are just egregious that make it out of 489 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,560 the news. 490 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,280 So let's say that there's five hundred a year. 491 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,680 I don't know how many there really are. 492 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,760 I'm sure there's a study that says it. 493 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,640 It's really not that common. 494 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,720 It's uncommon enough to where it makes it to the news. 495 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,100 If it was really common, it wouldn't make it to the news. 496 00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:15,120 They would cover it up. 497 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,120 Yeah. 498 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:22,520 And the police the problem I have with police violence is when the uncommon does happen, 499 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:28,560 the police departments still try to protect the cops and they should because there's millions 500 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:36,080 and millions of interactions with officers every year that go perfectly fine, even when 501 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,600 there's a violent criminal involved or whatever. 502 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,860 You know, yeah. 503 00:33:42,860 --> 00:33:49,200 So when there is a cop like a Derek Chauvin, they should hang him out to dry, which they 504 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,160 did in that instance. 505 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:56,120 Yeah, not initially, but they came around to it. 506 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,440 You know, but it's the same thing. 507 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:03,520 It's I don't know, you know, the police force kind of a fraternity. 508 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:09,180 You know, you're all out for the other person and you have to rely on them in certain cases, 509 00:34:09,180 --> 00:34:14,080 you know, and you face potentially life threatening circumstances together and you have to do 510 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,080 that. 511 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,880 But that doesn't mean every single one of the police officers is a good person or makes 512 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,800 good decisions. 513 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:25,640 And sometimes they're just like anybody even in an office setting where, yeah, we're all 514 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,280 in this office building, but that doesn't mean, you know, you know, so and so down the 515 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:34,280 hall doesn't have a temper or so and so in the hall doesn't have an authority complex 516 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,400 or all that stuff. 517 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:44,840 The only difference between maybe like an office building and police officers is in 518 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,760 the office building, you're not generally carrying a gun all the time. 519 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,760 Right. 520 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:56,160 Well, I know that this is, again, another controversial thing. 521 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:02,240 My grandfather, who's been dead for many years now, told me that when he got out of World 522 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:07,080 War II, you couldn't it was hard to get a job initially. 523 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:12,560 And he ended up getting a job at the railroad and was a mason and all that sort of stuff. 524 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:18,640 But he applied to be a cop and the police departments in this area wouldn't hire World 525 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,000 War II vets. 526 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,880 They would only hire the guys who didn't go to the war. 527 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:31,520 OK, so the guys like my grandfather had no respect for the police, basically their entire 528 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,400 lives, you know, because they were the guys who went to war were a group together, you 529 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,400 know. 530 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,400 Yeah. 531 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,120 And the police were universally not from combat. 532 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,240 And because police violence has been an issue, even when I was a little kid, my grandfather 533 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:54,200 told me to basically be wary of the police, you know, you know, back in the day. 534 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,200 And I thought about that and I did a little bit of research. 535 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,600 And it was a common practice then post, you know, in the 40s and the 50s because they 536 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:09,400 didn't want the guys that had PTSD to come back and fucking start shooting people as 537 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:15,280 a police officer because they were aware that these guys were going to have problems from 538 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,360 their experience in World War I. 539 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,840 And now it's encouraged for police officers to be veterans. 540 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,960 And there's nothing wrong with being a veteran, obviously. 541 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,560 My dad was in for years and years. 542 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,000 My grandfather was in. 543 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:38,440 But if there is a problem with treating civilians like they're enemy combatants, and I think 544 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,440 that... 545 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,120 Well, and more and more police departments are getting more and more militarized with 546 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:48,000 their equipment and weapons and some of them even have like urban tanks. 547 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,000 Oh, yeah. 548 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,000 Oh, yeah. 549 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,000 So they kind of need... 550 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,280 They need the veterans to teach them how to use that stuff. 551 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,280 Yeah. 552 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,880 Well, I think that's probably the problem too is that, I mean, even if these guys are 553 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:07,360 good guys, you put them in SWAT gear basically full time and you give them tactical shit, 554 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,040 you're going to be in that mode of like, let's go kill Iraqis, you know, except you're not 555 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,680 in Iraq, you're in downtown Sacramento. 556 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:16,680 Yeah. 557 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:17,680 Yeah. 558 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,840 And that's not good. 559 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:26,520 I know a couple of the police slash sheriff departments up here got those tanks, the MRACs 560 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,520 or whatever. 561 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:33,840 And a few of the local departments, one department in particular that I'm thinking of, they've 562 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,480 made a video of them jumping the fucking tank and they got in trouble. 563 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,200 Oh, I think I heard about that. 564 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,200 Yeah, they made a... 565 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,760 I mean, I'm not worried about the cops up here using a tank to hurt anybody. 566 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,320 I mean, these guys up here are good old boys. 567 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,560 They're here to harass tourists and teenage drinkers. 568 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,600 They're not like going around beating people up or whatever or anything like that, you 569 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:58,600 know. 570 00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,600 Yeah. 571 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,080 But they wanted the tank so they could be abilities and jump cars and shit. 572 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,080 Like on the weekend for fun. 573 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:12,680 They're not ever intending on bringing this thing to Leech Lake or whatever. 574 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,600 Yeah. 575 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:23,000 They're not driving it over to Mille Lacs to police the fishing tournament. 576 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,000 But uh-oh. 577 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,000 Uh-oh. 578 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,840 Is there a tornado, Nate? 579 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:29,840 No, that's the... 580 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,960 They do a nine o'clock curfew here. 581 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:41,040 I don't know how in practice it is with law enforcement or the tanks that they have crawling 582 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,520 around the neighborhood right now. 583 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:43,520 Just kidding. 584 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,360 There's no tanks. 585 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,100 But it's like a holdover from the 40s or 50s. 586 00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:52,480 This siren has gone off at nine o'clock at night for decades. 587 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,280 So I don't know if it's... 588 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,440 Oh, so it's a sign for the kids to go home. 589 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:57,440 Yeah. 590 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:03,280 I don't know if there's like legally a curfew that's enforced or if they just do it because 591 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,160 they've always done it. 592 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,440 Sure. 593 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,520 That's like the beard laws that are up here. 594 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,520 Yeah. 595 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:11,520 Yeah. 596 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:17,200 For people that don't know, there's a few places up north here where the railroad was 597 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,400 the dominant force and they made the guys shave in the 1800s. 598 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,120 So a lot of towns passed beard laws saying that people who lived in the city limits had 599 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,960 to have a beard for six months out of the year so they could circumvent the corporate 600 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:35,040 authority back then. 601 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,720 But anyway, what were you going to say? 602 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:41,200 I was going to say that I'm just about done with this cigar. 603 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,200 Maybe an inch left. 604 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,920 I got maybe an inch and a quarter. 605 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:45,920 It's okay. 606 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:46,920 Yeah. 607 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,920 It's okay. 608 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,000 I'm not getting a huge flavor from it. 609 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,320 It's definitely better than the Bella vanilla. 610 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,320 I'll say that. 611 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,600 But it doesn't come close to the moon trance. 612 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,480 No, it's not repulsive. 613 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,120 The moon trance was something special, I think. 614 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,960 It's borderline magical, really. 615 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,060 I mean, I really like them. 616 00:40:07,060 --> 00:40:11,000 So what flavors do we have left then of these? 617 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,280 We have cherry and a honey maybe. 618 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,280 Yeah. 619 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,280 Yeah. 620 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,280 Okay. 621 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,280 I think that might be it. 622 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,840 I think we, I'm not sure if we should talk about it on air, but I'm pretty sure we have 623 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,080 that torpedo as well. 624 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,280 Okay. 625 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:32,320 If we do have the torpedo, it's a moon trance torpedo that we might have. 626 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,560 We were going to smoke that one just to see if the torpedo is any different, right? 627 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:37,560 Yeah. 628 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,320 We can cap off the experience. 629 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,160 I might have an extra one so I could shoot that one to you. 630 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,160 Okay. 631 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,880 So you could have two for potential guest usage. 632 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:49,880 Yes. 633 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,440 I'm going to have to search my humidor though. 634 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,720 I can't remember if I bought them, how many I bought when I bought them. 635 00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:58,320 I'll have to look at mine too to see what I got. 636 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,760 Because I know I have a moon trance, but I guess I didn't look to see if it was a torpedo 637 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:03,760 or not. 638 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,400 I was just trying to find the cigar for tonight. 639 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,840 So for this episode. 640 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:19,260 So yeah, I guess the Eileen stream, if you're going into it wanting an Irish cream flavor, 641 00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:21,400 it's probably not it. 642 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:27,720 But if you want a CAO, it's not offensive. 643 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:32,680 As kind of a, you get a creamy, creamy taste. 644 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:41,120 I wouldn't say consistently throughout, but you do get, I don't know, hints of that throughout 645 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,120 the cigar. 646 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,120 Yeah. 647 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,360 It's, you know, it's okay. 648 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,760 This is a, I would say it's a dud as well, but it's not, it's a meh. 649 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,960 It's not a bad, it's not horrible. 650 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:56,960 Yeah. 651 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:57,960 Okay. 652 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,600 So I guess here's a good question. 653 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,840 Trying to just place this somewhere where you and I can wrap our heads around it and 654 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,440 hopefully our listeners can wrap our heads around it. 655 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:14,520 Would you rather smoke Eileen's dream or the bin Maduro? 656 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:15,520 Not the tequila Maduro. 657 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,520 They're similar. 658 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,760 They're very similar in my mind. 659 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,440 I feel rather smoke the bin Maduro cause it's cheaper. 660 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:23,440 Okay. 661 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,440 Yeah. 662 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:31,760 I would say that I might just for taste wise, flavor wise, I might give the edge to this 663 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,320 Eileen stream. 664 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,960 Yeah. 665 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,440 But the, but the price would be a big, big factor. 666 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:45,480 So it's not good enough for me to say that this is better than the bin Maduro. 667 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,560 I guess the bin Maduro really didn't have that much flavor until we put tequila on it. 668 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,560 Yeah. 669 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,400 I would, I, you know what, I would probably only buy those bin Maduros to put tequila 670 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,880 on them because it was fantastic with the tequila. 671 00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:59,880 Yeah. 672 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,920 I don't, you know what, I guess like, so here's a good question. 673 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:09,440 And these are probably too expensive of cigars to, you know, do this a lot, but would tequila 674 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,920 improve a flavored cigar like this? 675 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,520 You know, probably, probably. 676 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,680 I don't think it would help the, the, I don't think you'd get the flavor they want you to 677 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,920 get out of it, but it would probably make it more full bodied on this cigar. 678 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:26,920 Yes. 679 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,960 Um, the vanilla cigar, gosh, I don't know what would help that. 680 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:30,960 I think that'd be weird. 681 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:31,960 Yeah. 682 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,920 That was not a very, that was unpleasant to smoke, to be honest. 683 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:37,920 Yeah. 684 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:38,920 Yeah. 685 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,040 I highly, highly recommend not buying that. 686 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,320 This Eileen's dream, it's okay. 687 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,560 I mean, I would not suggest anybody go out and get one. 688 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:48,560 No. 689 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,760 To be perfectly honest. 690 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,680 Uh, but, uh, it's not offensive. 691 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:56,680 It's fine. 692 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:57,680 No. 693 00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:58,680 I am curious. 694 00:43:58,680 --> 00:43:59,680 I'm sure somebody out there loves it. 695 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,680 Yeah. 696 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:06,960 So I guess that's kind of the, the differentiating factor for me is Eileen's dream. 697 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,800 I can, I can see people enjoying it. 698 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:15,840 Uh, whereas, whereas the Bella vanilla, um, and I even said at the end of the last episode, 699 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,560 like I was struggling to picture somebody who would enjoy this cigar. 700 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:26,480 Um, certainly if you, if you enjoyed the Bella vanilla, uh, then you're listening to us, 701 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,600 I mean, that's fine. 702 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:28,960 We're not saying don't enjoy it. 703 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,960 We're not trying to poo poo, uh, your tastes. 704 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,040 Uh, but I just, there's so many better cigars, I think out there. 705 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,480 It was very kind of acidic and harsh. 706 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,480 Right. 707 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,480 Yeah. 708 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,480 It's not a, it's not for everybody. 709 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:44,480 That's for sure. 710 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,480 Yup. 711 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,080 That'd get us a nice way. 712 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,800 See, I'm still smoking this Eileen's dream. 713 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,360 I'm going to smoke it down to a nub. 714 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,360 Yup. 715 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,360 I smoke mine down to a nub. 716 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,560 You know, it's, it's fine. 717 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,760 I would definitely say it'd be okay to smoke on a lawnmower. 718 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,160 Um, which isn't saying a lot. 719 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,160 Really. 720 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,160 I don't know. 721 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,520 But, uh, it's, it's, it's okay. 722 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,520 It's not bad. 723 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:10,520 Yeah. 724 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,000 That'd be a fine one to give away. 725 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,000 Um, uh, I wouldn't give it to anybody. 726 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,160 Okay. 727 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:23,120 I wouldn't because then that then the gift giving process is, you know, I would want 728 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,120 to give something better. 729 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,120 You can give it to an enemy. 730 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,120 Yeah. 731 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:32,800 You know, I'd give it to, uh, Donald Biden for sure. 732 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:33,800 Yeah. 733 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:40,040 You know, yeah, there's, I mean, there's better cigars. 734 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,320 Um, it wasn't entirely unenjoyable. 735 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,360 The Eileen's dream. 736 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:49,840 Um, but not one that I would go and smoke again, probably. 737 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,800 No, I'll never smoke one of these again. 738 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,760 I guess I shouldn't never say never. 739 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,720 If somebody gave me one, I would smoke it. 740 00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:58,720 Yeah. 741 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:02,000 If I didn't have anything else to smoke. 742 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,320 Or if they were one of those people that were like, here, let me give you a cigar. 743 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,000 I heard you like cigars. 744 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,720 I want to watch you smoke it now. 745 00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:11,760 Like you'd almost have to, but I've never met anybody like that, but you know, you should 746 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:17,160 show me those people because I would love to give you cigars. 747 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,800 Yeah. 748 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:25,320 So yeah, Eileen's dream is definitely not recommended, but it's not, uh, uh, I'm not 749 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,920 discouraging anybody from trying it either. 750 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:28,920 Yeah. 751 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,320 I wonder if we kind of messed up by starting with the Moon Trance. 752 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,960 Uh, I don't think so. 753 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:40,400 I don't think so because, uh, I knew the Moon Trance was good and I wanted to start off 754 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,880 on a positive note. 755 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:42,880 Yeah. 756 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,600 Get people, uh, get everybody, including you, invested. 757 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:48,600 Yes. 758 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,800 Excited for the flavor showdown. 759 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:51,800 Right. 760 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:52,800 Yeah. 761 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,360 Cause the Moon Trance, like I say, I mean, I've been smoking those for years and I, I 762 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,040 just, I can't get enough of them. 763 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:06,720 Um, but these are just trash. 764 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:07,720 Just trash. 765 00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:08,720 Yeah. 766 00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:12,400 Well, you know what else they say is trash, not a sponsor. 767 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,240 No trash is, uh, either are, uh, the police. 768 00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:17,240 Nope. 769 00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:21,760 Uh, and, and neither are a CAO for that matter. 770 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,600 No, no, not yet. 771 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,600 Ha ha ha. 772 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:25,600 Not yet. 773 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:26,600 Not yet. 774 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:31,000 Maybe they'll, maybe they'll listen to this and send us a box of, uh, Bella vanilla each. 775 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,000 Right. 776 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,000 Yeah. 777 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,000 Please, please don't. 778 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,000 Yeah. 779 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,200 Thorough Good Boots and Danner, that's who should sponsor us. 780 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,200 Okay. 781 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:45,200 I don't know. 782 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:50,480 Anybody who's out there who works for a living, quote unquote, uh, the Danner power foreman's, 783 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,760 I highly recommend if you have a narrow foot, which I do not have a very wide foot, but, 784 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,320 uh, otherwise get a pair of thorough goods. 785 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,720 They're pretty good too. 786 00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:03,760 I don't really like any of the work red wings. 787 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,400 I do like, uh, the heritage red wings. 788 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,400 They're really awesome. 789 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,120 I'd wear those for work boots, but, uh, you know, you have to have steel toes pretty much 790 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,160 everywhere on this planet if you want to work maintenance. 791 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:22,600 So or construction, but, uh, and if a police, they like their Danners too. 792 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,240 So yeah, good, good. 793 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:28,880 You know what boots to get and which cigars not to. 794 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:29,880 Yes. 795 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,320 Have a good week guys. 796 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,320 Yep. 797 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:53,360 Thanks for listening.