Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Nate.
I'm Nate.
And I'm Mike.
Well, I'm Nate, he's Mike.
We're all good.
What are we smoking tonight?
We're smoking the CAO Bella Vanilla.
This is part two of our CAO
flavors, where we're going to smoke all the different flavors and then tell you which
one's best.
So far, very sweet.
Not a lot of flavor.
Yeah, I would concur.
The interesting thing is, just a couple days ago, I had smoked a Placencia Amaforte, and
it's a Hexpress, and it's chocolate and citrus.
But actually, for the first maybe inch and a half, two inches, there wasn't really any
hint of the flavor in that one.
So definitely curious to see if this one will...
Sure, change over time.
So we had smoked the Moontrans, which is a bourbon vanilla, and now we're doing the Bella
Vanilla.
We decided to do the vanilla's back to back, at least for our listeners.
Yes.
But it is much, much sweeter than the Moontrans.
And I don't know what Bella Vanilla is, if it's just what they decided to call it, but
I don't think it's quite as tasty as the Moontrans, the bourbon vanilla.
No.
So far, the tobacco isn't entirely satisfying either.
But I'm not even a quarter inch in, really.
We'll see.
We shall see.
We'll see how it goes.
Yes.
So what are we going to talk about today, Nate?
I thought we would talk about some nipples.
Perfect.
You're talking about rigid steel, or EMT, or black pipe, something like that?
Something.
Any kind of nipples, they're all good.
No, but the...
I don't know if anyone remembers, there was, I guess, I did a little looking it up.
Not so much the nipple part, but there was, I guess, like a movie or documentary that
came out maybe 2016, and it was called Free the Nipple.
Okay.
And I don't know if you've seen that hashtag, you know, hashtag free the nipple, but that's
kind of where this term came from, originated from, because leading up to this documentary,
and I don't know how accurate it is, because I've never seen it, but leading up to this
documentary, they were doing a whole bunch of social campaigning to make the female nipple
as acceptable in public as the male nipple is.
So if any of you have gone to a beach or a pool or just your neighbor's backyard in the
summer, you have probably seen somebody else's male nipple.
I suppose so, yes.
And maybe if you're a male, you have exposed your nipple to other people.
Oh yes.
So I guess what I wanted to kind of talk about is, is the female nipple inherently sexual?
Should they be allowed to, you know, free their nipples in public spaces?
And what do we think about that?
Well, I know what I think.
All right.
So we're going to, I think we're going to try, and maybe we won't try, but I was hoping
we would try to be kind of objective about this.
I mean, my initial thought is love the nipples.
Let's see all the nipples.
But I don't think, I don't think that's taking into account all of the different viewpoints
or things that maybe you should take into account when thinking about nipples.
I mean, I am also pro nipple and I would be a big fan, but you know, I recently read an
article or not read an article.
I was watching a YouTube video and the guy linked it to an article.
So I read the article after the guy mentioned it.
But apparently in several countries, including Australia, female Uber drivers are allowed
to discriminate against male riders.
And this worked in Latin America and other places.
So the women drivers are allowed to only have male customer or female customers if they
want.
There's a little thing they can check.
So I don't think women could handle, most women could handle the amount of negative
attention that they would receive as a result of going around topless.
I don't think, I think that even the women who want to advocate for freeing the nipple
would only do so one time.
It would only take once.
Or maybe, you know, certain areas, you know, like the beach, maybe.
Maybe.
I don't know.
You know, like I'm trying to think of all the times I'm shirtless and it's not very
many.
Like out in public, you know.
Yeah.
Cruising the lake I could maybe see.
But even then I don't think that they would want that, you know, drunk voters, you know,
I mean, I just don't see a lot of instances where most women would be OK with the attention
they get.
Women, a lot of women can't handle the attention they get already without being shirtless.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
I guess that's kind of where my, or my question in my head was, is the female nipple inherently
sexual?
I mean, so I get it in our society, yes.
But if you go back, there was a time where if a woman showed her ankle, you know, that
would cause men to hoot and holler and cat call at the construction sites and all that
stuff.
Now, is an ankle inherently sexual?
You know, how many people Google ankles?
Don't answer that.
I don't want to know.
But can an ankle look nice?
Yes, I suppose.
I suppose there's a stories of Victorian, a lot of the old Victorian furniture has the
skirts on the tables because they thought it was lewd to see the legs of a table.
So we do generate that.
There's indigenous cultures where the women are shirtless and doesn't seem to cause a
problem in their society.
Yeah.
Well, like those, you're talking to those really kind of uncomfortable documentaries
they would show you in middle school with like the tribeswomen.
Yes.
Yep.
That's a nice way to put it.
This is chief's wife here.
Pay no attention to her nipples.
Yes.
So I guess like the other question then is, you know, I mean, how different is a female
nipple from a male nipple?
I mean, outside of the, you know, feeding a baby, I wouldn't say a whole lot.
I don't know.
Like I don't know.
I mean, I would say that most women have larger nipples than men.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, they don't necessarily have to look different than a male nipple.
But then the question is, is it really the nipple because, you know, you can see women
with like the pasties on or tape over their nipple.
I went to the pride parade or pride festival down here in Minneapolis a couple of years
ago, maybe four or five years ago, and all the women were topless, but they had, you
know, like tape over their nipples.
Sure.
And I don't know, I guess, is the nipple the sexual part of the boob?
I mean, that's not to try and be like overly lewd or, you know, like I don't want to be
that, oh, that man, he's talking about boobs and nipples and it's really getting them going
because it's not, it's just, I'm trying to-
In my personal opinion, the boob without a nipple is pointless.
I'm not a fan of big breasts in general.
Is that a pun?
It is punny.
But yeah, it's the, I'm not a fan of big boobs in general.
And literally the point of the boob is the nipple.
Well, so, I mean, we're not talking about what you or I like.
We're trying to decipher if, you know, freeing the nipple, one, if that, if it makes sense,
like just in theory, and then two, if it did make sense in theory, could our society handle
it?
Could our culture handle it?
I think our society would handle it just fine.
I don't think it would affect anything.
The sort of people that would be offended by seeing a woman's titties aren't going to
the places where women are going to be hanging their titties out anyway.
You know, the moral purists are not going to the beach.
Probably.
I'm guessing.
Probably not.
I mean, there are some fairly revealing legal to wear swimsuits.
Absolutely.
You know, so I don't, I don't know that that's it.
But I guess I wasn't so concerned about like the moral purists.
I was worried more about like, you know, the bar crowd or.
Like I say, I don't think that most women would, most of the women who want to free
the nipple would not be freeing the nipple for more than one time.
I'm guessing.
Yeah.
I'm just guessing.
Like I say, women can't even handle being an Uber driver as a group.
Not every, you know, there's individual women who can do whatever they want.
But as a group, women in general do not do dangerous things.
You know, look at the, I just, I checked out the list of the 25 most dangerous jobs in
the United States and they are all male dominated professions for a reason.
Women are danger reverse.
And I think they would find out very quickly that it's dangerous to walk around without
a shirt on.
But why is it dangerous?
Because there are very lewd men.
So then are the men the problem?
Probably I guess.
Well, and that is also probably why I would say it's natural to our species for men to
be more dangerous.
You know?
Yeah.
But is it, I mean, is it natural for men to be more like sexual, sexualized?
I mean, I guess like, are we the only, we're the only species on the planet where we sit
here and we have to be very, very careful about like sexual advances.
I mean, you could say it's true for both sides, but both sides don't kind of, don't get equal
representation in the media or in the law.
Even like the Johnny Depp Amber Heard case going on, you know, it's everyone kind of
had a favorite side until they started getting into the details.
Sure.
I guess I've learned some of the details of that case, but I wasn't on anybody's side.
I just assumed that they were both abusers.
Yeah.
It's kind of like the Will Smith slap.
You know, it's unfortunate, but they both have money and can do what they want.
And I don't know, not to, not to minimize, you know, abuse and things, but the only reason
it's in the headlines is because they are who they are, not because of abuse.
Right.
Well, and I, I watched a little snippet today and I did not know that that bitch cut his
finger off with a broken liquor bottle.
I didn't know that either until, until, until you said.
Yeah, apparently they cross examined some doctor that never saw him, but said that it
wasn't, it didn't happen that way.
And it's pretty well documented that she cut his fucking finger off with a bottle of vodka
or something.
So did he, did he get it reattached or yes, he did.
Okay.
Australia.
Did they put it on upside down?
Oh, that would be great.
That would be great.
But I'm a one inch and a half, maybe in, I'm not liking this.
I'm not going to lie.
Yeah.
I think I'm about halfway, halfway done.
And it's not, not, not fabulous.
Oh, put it that way.
Oh, it's like, it's a harsher, harsher vanilla.
But the vanilla is kind of like overpowering everything else.
Whereas the moon trance I felt really complimented the tobacco.
I don't think the tobacco was very good in this one.
No.
At least in mine, the tobacco doesn't seem to be of the quality I expect from a CAO cigar.
And I think that's harshing my experience, you know?
And I, I get that vanilla flavor, but there's a, like that taste of bad tobacco, that like
acidic, bad taste, you know, that I'm just focusing on in my head.
Yeah.
I thought it was, you know, if you take like the imitation of vanilla extract and you put
too much in and it kind of like burns.
I thought maybe that was it, but it could be the tobacco.
Maybe they just put, you know, maybe the vanilla they used wasn't, wasn't good either.
Sure.
It reminds me of a Swisher Sweet.
Yeah, not quite that bad, but I would see no reason and it might be early to call it,
but I would see no reason to ever grab this over the moon trance.
If you wanted a vanilla, vanilla cigar.
No, no, I love the moon trance.
Like I say, we were at the Renaissance festival three, four years ago.
Yeah.
Four years ago.
I bought two of them and Sarah had never smoked one and she loved it.
She thought it was great.
So we walked around the, walked around the Renfair smoking cigars.
But yeah, this I would not recommend so far.
No.
Yeah.
So far.
Yeah.
I'm probably two and a half, three inches from the end now.
Maybe I'm just smoking it fast too, but.
Yeah.
I got two and a half inches left.
I don't think that I'm smoking it any faster than I would a normal cigar of this size.
Yeah.
It's not a very beefy cigar.
Oh yeah.
We forgot to say it's a Robusto size again.
So they're pretty quick and nice size.
I think Robusto is pretty common.
I like Gordo's too, but.
You always pick topics that are uncomfortable to talk about.
Well, it's one of those ones where my initial thing is why not?
If you're all about individual freedom and individual rights, why not?
And then kind of like the animal in me is like, of course I would love to see nipples.
It's like, do you want chocolate on your brownie?
Of course I do.
Or whatever, just one of those things.
I think that, and in some states it is legal.
There was actually a state where it was legal.
The woman was exercising that right and she got arrested and fined.
And then she took it to court and actually won almost 30 grand for wrongful imprisonment
or whatever.
Oh, perfect.
But it's one of those things where it's like there'd have to be kind of a big mind shift.
And that's why I don't think our culture would be okay with it here in America anyway,
is because you've got, and maybe in big cities it'd be a different thing, but you've got
so many people that are so wanting to impose what they think is right on everybody else.
And it's the same people that say we're the freest nation on the planet, but they won't
let you say fuck on TV.
You can't show nudity on TV.
Certain channels now on different platforms and stuff like that.
But when I went to London in 2007, I was of that mindset until I turned on the news and
they're saying, oh yeah, and this fucking guy or whatever.
So it was a little more free there.
It wasn't every channel and they weren't saying everything.
But it's like we're kind of repressed in certain areas, I think.
Oh, for sure.
I mean, the people that say we're the freest nation on earth.
First of all, they haven't been to other places, I'm guessing, because freedom is not out of
their state.
Right.
Freedom is not the sole purview of the United States.
We are a fairly free place, right?
And if a corporation is involved, it's very free.
Great persons, as they're called in the United States, can do whatever the fuck they want.
But a person person like me can get arrested for having the wrong plant in their garden.
And it doesn't matter if it's a native plant or not.
Not rhubarb.
Yeah, right.
Well, I think let's save the corporate stuff for our next episode because I had something
to kind of lead into that.
Yeah.
For the second episode.
Interesting.
I mean, the next episode.
Unless you had something in mind.
No, no, no.
I was going to talk about the most dangerous jobs in the country.
Oh, well, let's do that and finish up this cigar and let's talk about the most dangerous
jobs.
Yeah, I was going to make fun of police and ladies who can't handle driving a fucking
taxi.
Okay.
Now, when you say you're going to make fun of police, are you making fun of the police
that can't tell their service pistol from their taser?
I'm going to make fun of the police that want everybody to ask their D. You know what I
mean?
Like, yeah, there's a big culture, at least where I live, of having the fascist flag is
what I call it on my head.
It's like the blue line.
Yeah.
The fascist flag.
And it's like, you motherfuckers don't even have top 20 most dangerous jobs.
You know what I mean?
Like, yeah, I've had several different careers in my life and three of them are more dangerous
than what a police does by the numbers, more dangerous.
So, you know, I just let's get into it.
Next episode.
Let's do it next.
Oh, I thought we were doing that this episode.
Oh, we can do that this episode.
That's fine.
Sure.
I've got two inches of the scar left.
No, so do I.
Unfortunately.
Yeah.
CIO, you failed on this one.
I'm not going to lie.
So anyway, I started getting into this little subject because Uber was going to allow women
or is going to allow women in Australia, but they've already been doing in Latin America
to only take female customers.
And there's a shit ton of videos of male Uber drivers getting attacked by women.
Now, this right wing hate machines all getting, you know, getting their panties in a twist.
So I was like, well, taxi drivers have always been always been told driving a taxi is pretty
dangerous.
So I looked it up and I went to the University of Delaware site.
This is from 2020.
So we're looking up data from the university and this should be a fairly, you know, good
site or whatever.
Yeah.
Most dangerous job, logger.
By twice as more dangerous or twice as dangerous as the next job.
Right.
Okay.
So it's the most dangerous by far.
It's 111 injuries, fatal injuries, deaths per 100,000 workers.
Yeah, is the next most dangerous job to be a tree.
You would think so, right?
Yeah, sorry.
Little lumberjack joke there.
The second most dangerous job, which I'm not sure how they do this because flying is less
dangerous than driving.
Yeah, it's aircraft pilot and flight engineers.
So basically piloting an aircraft and that's 53 per 100,000.
So it's half as dangerous.
Well are they taking into account like the little Cessnas and things like that?
So there's an awful lot of like private, private plane crashes, you know?
Right.
I feel.
Yes.
The majority of aircraft pilot fatalities occur in crashes of privately owned planes
and helicopters rather than regularly scheduled commercial jet aircraft.
Okay.
So it is, it's taking the private stuff into account.
And third most dangerous job, which I've done, Derrick operators and oil, gas and mining.
So working on oil, Derrick or drill rig or something to do with the oil industry and
the fracking and the drilling and things of that.
So it says Derrick rotary drill service unit operators, oil, gas and mining, which I used
to do that as an electrician, but we would work on the rigs and shit too.
Finally I definitely did not have the most dangerous job on a drill rig.
All I was doing was hooking up temporary power and fixing stuff when it broke.
Yeah.
So not, not trying to put myself out there, but I have done that job.
Number four is roofers.
Okay.
No shock there.
Five is garbage collector.
A garbage collector is number five and it's 34 in a hundred thousand.
So we're already down to a third less dangerous than logging.
Yeah.
Iron worker, never been an iron worker delivery driver, which they drive around all the time.
So of course they're going to, they're going to be a vehicle accidents a lot.
Farmer firefighter supervisor.
I don't know why the supervisors are there, but yeah, firefighter supervisor.
And that's per 100,000 workers.
So already down a fifth less dangerous job.
Ten is linemen of help linemen.
I've never been a lineman, but I've helped them.
They're also 20.
Agricultural worker is 20, which I've worked.
I worked as an agricultural worker for two summers and grew up in a rural area.
So it shouldn't surprise anybody that I've done egg work.
So that's 20 per 100,000 crossing guards.
I was a crossing guard as a child, but I'm guessing that these are in city areas.
Yeah.
I would imagine.
Yeah.
Crane operators, which is 19 construction helpers.
So laborers, I've done that.
That's 18 landscape supervisors.
Again, why the supervisor?
You would think that being the worker would be more dangerous to being the supervisor.
Well maybe the supervisor doesn't get the protective gear.
Oh yeah, maybe that's possible.
It's a lot of supervisors dying though.
Yeah.
18 per 100,000 seems like a lot.
Highway maintenance workers, which I've done highway maintenance work.
That's 18 for 100,000.
Cement masons, 17.
Small engine mechanic.
How the hell is a small engine mechanic on the most dangerous jobs list?
Well, I don't know, but I do have a story about a small engine mechanic that I knew.
It's a quick one.
My grandpa had a cabin and the neighbor there was a preacher, but one time he was working
on his lawnmower and he took it all apart.
He put it all back together, but he forgot to tighten the screw on the flywheel and he
pulled that rip cord or the pull start cord and the flywheel shot right out of his lawnmower,
cracked him in the teeth and he lost like four of his front teeth.
Wow.
Now, I wouldn't call him a small engine mechanic, but.
Right.
Oh, transportation incidents are the most common cause of death for small engine mechanic.
Oh, okay.
It's a car accident.
Apparently, a lot of small engine mechanics get in car accidents.
Guess they do house calls.
Yes.
Supervisors of mechanics, which apparently that is due to obtaining supplies and equipment.
Oh, okay.
Heavy vehicle mechanics.
So mechanics in general here.
Apparently, being a mechanic is a pretty dangerous job.
Grounds, maintenance worker.
I've done that job.
Yeah.
That's exactly what you think.
Oh, what would be like a landscaper or, you know, somebody who mows lawns full time.
Number 22 at 14 per 100,000 worker deaths all the way down here beneath garbage men
and fucking people who mow lawns for a living are police officers.
Police officers.
Isn't that crazy?
That is crazy.
Isn't that crazy?
And the other crazy thing is that that thin blue line flag, as much as the people who
love the police force and America and as much as those same people hate when professional
athletes kneel during the national anthem, citing, well, that's disrespectful to the
flag, kneeling during the national anthem is not against the United States flag code.
You know, it is against the United States flag code, making the United States flag a
sticker.
So any American flag stamp is against the flag code, altering the American flag in any
way, not having the American flag flying the correct way, making the American flag cloth-
or making the American flag into clothing.
And these are all things that these people do.
So you're saying that my upside down flag tags that I have on my work boots is against
the flag code?
Yes.
I've caused many a fight with my upside down flag tags.
I have, usually with people wearing Chinese made boots.
Yep.
It's one of those things though, the flag code, I don't know if it's actually, you know,
in practice to legally enforce that or not, or if it's even legally enforceable.
I think it's just guidelines written out.
Oh, it's definitely not enforceable.
No, definitely not.
But you know, it's just interesting when people say, well, that's disrespectful to the flag
and they do all these things that the United States has deemed disrespectful to the flag.
So sure.
Well, and you know, I know it would never pass legal muster, but I would support a law
banning importation of any item with an American flag on it that wasn't made in America.
You know, like-
How about the, how about the made in China American flags?
Yes.
Oh, easily or made in China, American flag boots.
I see fucking idiots by these stupid cowboy boots with the American flag on them.
They're made in communist China.
That does bother me.
I know it shouldn't, but yeah, it does all the same.
So speaking about communist China and I've got about an inch left, which I might not
actually finish.
But I did hear that Biden said the United States would get involved militarily in Taiwan
if China made a move.
I saw that.
Yeah.
Then he walked it back.
Well, they always do.
Well, Biden's a gaffe machine.
He always has been.
Yeah.
And now he's more prone to that sort of thing as far as I can tell.
Not to be too much of a dick, but-
Yeah.
Well, when you're, when you're a certain age, you're just going to play the same old hits,
you know?
Right.
I have about an inch and an envelope to this cigar and it is truly now acidic and atrocious.
Yeah.
Why don't we call it?
Yeah.
First time for the show, I think that we didn't finish the cigar.
Yep.
I'm not going to be too brokenhearted about it though.
No, no, no.
I would like to say just to continue on with their thing, police officers are 14 per 100,000
worker deaths.
Tied with them are maintenance workers and just behind at 13 per 100,000 are construction
workers.
So, being a construction or a maintenance worker, which I have done both, is more, is
as dangerous as being a cop.
Now, why don't we have, you know, garbage man flags?
Because being a garbage man is more dangerous than being a cop or delivery driver flags.
Being a delivery driver is twice as dangerous as being a cop.
Literally twice as dangerous.
Could it be that it's not about the truth, Mike, and it's about the social agenda?
That being said, I have a couple, I have several neighbors who are sheriff's deputies and the
sheriff and they're nice guys.
Yeah, we're not trying to rip on any profession at all.
It's just certain, for some reason, certain professions seem to get the limelight and
professions like janitors or garbage people, well, garbage men, garbage women, garbage
them, not garbage people.
You know, but in those professions don't really get the limelight and they do a huge service
for the rest of us.
Oh, absolutely.
The world would literally stop operating if the people who run the garbage trucks stayed
at home.
Yeah.
Or if the maintenance workers of the world just stopped going to work.
You know, that is true.
But I've never needed a cop ever in my entire life.
So there we go.
Yep.
All right, well, we put the kebab on the Bella vanilla.
I don't I can't I'm trying to even like imagine somebody who'd enjoy that.
Oh, I took a big puff off of it and it was horrible.
Oh, sorry.
I thought almost for a minute, like as I was getting down there and like, I think maybe
and then like that acidic blast hit me and I was like, Nope, it's not getting better.
I was hoping maybe like the last two inches were going to be like the real sweet spot.
But that's not true.
And if you want something vanilla, moon trans all the way, if you want something a lot sweeter
than that, almost anything else.
Definitely not that one.
Yeah, two thumbs down.
Yes.
But stick around next episode, we're going to smoke Eileen's dream, which is what Irish
cream flavored?
Yes.
All right.
Thank you.