1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,160 Alright, I'm Nate. 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,960 And I'm Mike. 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,280 And due to some technical difficulties, we have both just lit up our cigar. 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:22,640 I'm about an inch, an inch in, but Mike will tell us what we're smoking. 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:30,240 We are smoking a Cohiba Black and the size is a Robusto because I like Robustos. 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:35,400 Yes and I was going to say that usually as long as we're not in the bedroom we do whatever 7 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,480 Mike likes. 8 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:43,880 But the first couple puffs off of this cigar were very tasty. 9 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,620 Not really bitter at all. 10 00:00:45,620 --> 00:00:51,120 And then now being an inch in, I don't know, I feel like it's a really decent, decently 11 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,120 made cigar here. 12 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:59,960 See, mine went out and I had to relight and I'm about a quarter inch in. 13 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:05,680 So from that everybody can tell who was having the difficulties. 14 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:13,040 Our third co-host decided to chew up my microphone and my headphones so I've had to make a do 15 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,760 with a different setup. 16 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:21,800 We'll have to start a third co-host destruction go fund me or something. 17 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:31,760 Oh, we are making her a kennel because she was naughty over the weekend when I was gone. 18 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,160 Yes, and what were you doing when you were gone? 19 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,160 I was paddle fishing. 20 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,000 And I saw pictures. 21 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,480 Now what do you do with those? 22 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:41,480 Do you eat them? 23 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,400 Do you throw them at friends? 24 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,400 Do you eat them? 25 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,440 I actually today, I filleted up. 26 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,160 I didn't fillet the fish. 27 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,440 I brought it to the fish cleaning station. 28 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,480 But I packaged it, cut it up and cleaned the red off and packaged it. 29 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:06,120 I got eight sandwich bags full, something like that. 30 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:07,160 And what is it? 31 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:14,880 Is it comparable to another kind of fish that our listeners may or may not have tried? 32 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,560 It's white, firm and flaky, but it has fat in it and you have to get that fat out. 33 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,540 Otherwise it's real fishy. 34 00:02:21,540 --> 00:02:25,240 But it's similar to like a halibut, something like that. 35 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,200 Some halibut tastes good without having to doctor it up. 36 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:29,200 Okay. 37 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,860 Paddle fish, you have to get that fat out so you can boil it or brine it or something 38 00:02:32,860 --> 00:02:35,180 like that. 39 00:02:35,180 --> 00:02:36,180 Grill it. 40 00:02:36,180 --> 00:02:38,960 It'll cook the fat right out of it. 41 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,160 Okay. 42 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:44,960 They were quite a bit larger than I kind of thought when you said paddle fish. 43 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,200 Of course, I've never been paddle fishing. 44 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:52,160 So I wasn't sure if you were fishing for a fish called a paddle fish or using a paddle 45 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,520 board to go fishing. 46 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:55,520 Yes. 47 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,120 It is a fish called a paddle fish and I caught a little one. 48 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,880 Okay, but they're big. 49 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:01,880 They look big. 50 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,400 Oh yeah, they're huge. 51 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:12,320 The one I caught was 18 pounds, but you can routinely get them 60 pounds. 52 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,880 That's a pretty normal size paddle fish. 53 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:22,040 Records vary, but they can get upwards of 140, 150 pounds. 54 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,240 Is the largest they get. 55 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:26,600 I have a picture. 56 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,680 I caught a 28 pounder a couple years ago and it was right next to an 80 pounder. 57 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:31,680 Okay. 58 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:32,680 It looked so small. 59 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:39,520 But yet that 28 pounder was twice as big as that 18 that I caught as far as size. 60 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,760 So do you need a deep sea pole? 61 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,680 You need a special pole for those? 62 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:46,840 Oh yeah, yeah. 63 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:53,280 I have a 10 foot ugly stick with a big salt striker reel. 64 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,680 I think I have 30 or 40 pound monofilament. 65 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,280 Okay. 66 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,960 So my little walleye rod wouldn't do it, huh? 67 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,640 No, no, I don't think so. 68 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,720 I've got a musky rod and reel. 69 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,320 Would that do it or would I need something bigger still probably? 70 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:14,040 I mean, it would do it if you did catch a 70 pounder. 71 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,520 That's the thing is that you're snagging them. 72 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:21,640 You cast into the river with a weight in the number 12 treble and you try to snag them. 73 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:22,640 Okay. 74 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,400 So you don't know what you're going to get. 75 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,620 You know what I mean? 76 00:04:26,620 --> 00:04:27,620 You have no idea. 77 00:04:27,620 --> 00:04:29,200 You could snag into a 100 pounder. 78 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,240 You could snag into a 10 pounder. 79 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:38,480 So a musky rod would definitely handle a 28 pounder or a 30 pounder, but probably not a 80 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:39,480 70 pounder. 81 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:40,480 Yeah. 82 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,440 And they'll jump out of the water like a marlin. 83 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,480 I mean, it's pretty impressive when they fight. 84 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:46,480 Yeah. 85 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,480 Yeah, they don't like getting jabbed. 86 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:50,960 Shocker, right? 87 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:51,960 Yeah. 88 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:52,960 Surprise, surprise. 89 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:53,960 But. 90 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,960 Yeah, we'll have to go sometime. 91 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:56,960 Absolutely. 92 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:57,960 Anytime. 93 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,920 This is my sixth or seventh year. 94 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:00,920 Okay. 95 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,560 In a row going. 96 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,880 Other than they canceled it one year for COVID. 97 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:05,880 Yeah. 98 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:06,880 But. 99 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,880 Because the fish were worried for their safety. 100 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:09,880 Yes. 101 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,880 Yes, the fish were very worried. 102 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:12,880 But. 103 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,880 Yeah, it's interesting. 104 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,560 Well, what's our main topic today then? 105 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:24,120 I think our main topic is going to be our favorite historical fact and or historical 106 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:25,120 period. 107 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:26,120 I have two facts. 108 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,600 Okay, perfect. 109 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,080 I think before we get into that though, we should talk about a little bit of legislation 110 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,440 that's kind of working its way through. 111 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,480 And I don't think it's the one you think that it's going to be. 112 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:45,560 I want to talk about the FDA and they're banning menthol cigarettes and flavored cigars. 113 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,560 Oh, I have not heard of this. 114 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:55,160 Well, they're trying to keep cigarettes and cigars out of the hands of children. 115 00:05:55,160 --> 00:06:00,520 And so they're banning menthol cigarettes, which makes sense, I guess, because it's like 116 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:05,800 I don't smoke cigarettes and I haven't smoked a menthol cigarette that I'm aware of, but 117 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,320 they taste kind of minty. 118 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:16,040 And then I was really worried because we were talking about doing the CAO flavor off. 119 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,760 The CAO flavor off. 120 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:22,320 And I was thinking, well, are those going to be banned under these new rules? 121 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,200 And so I did some digging. 122 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,200 There are listeners who might not have done digging or might not have heard about this. 123 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:35,520 And they're really just banning like grape, cherry, anything that's overly very swish 124 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,940 or Swedish. 125 00:06:37,940 --> 00:06:40,040 Not Swedish like the country. 126 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:45,640 But they're banning cigars with a primary flavor additive. 127 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,620 I see. 128 00:06:48,620 --> 00:06:50,560 So they're banning blunts. 129 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,200 That's what I'm picking up here. 130 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:58,040 So just like the United States government made laws that somehow made pizza a vegetable, 131 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:03,440 they are now making blunts and swisher sweets legally cigars. 132 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:04,440 I see. 133 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:09,080 Well, you know, that's interesting. 134 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,200 I remember when they banned flavored cigarettes. 135 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:17,260 And that really bummed me out because I used to get a brand of cigarettes called Sweet 136 00:07:17,260 --> 00:07:22,680 Dreams and they were German made and they were chocolate flavored and they had a couple 137 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:23,880 different other flavors too. 138 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,320 But I like the chocolate ones and I really love those things. 139 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,960 They were a nice little treat every now and again. 140 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:31,960 Yeah. 141 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,640 And you know, I liked them. 142 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:35,640 Yeah. 143 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:41,360 Well, I think they're not going to ban the vape juice since that's what I understand. 144 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,640 That's not dangerous at all. 145 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,640 That's not dangerous at all, Mike. 146 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:46,640 Sure. 147 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:52,880 Unless you buy those vape cartridges from like the 7-Eleven, then they explode in your 148 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:59,520 lungs or something if the news headlines are to be believed. 149 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,920 But I would hope that none of our listeners would do such a thing and they would go to 150 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,280 like a reputable online shop or something. 151 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:07,280 Yes. 152 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,640 And not go to the 7-Eleven for your fix. 153 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:16,440 But I think for our historical facts, tidbits, periods, whatnot, since you have two and I 154 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:22,160 just have one, why don't you lead us off, then we'll do mine, and then we'll wrap up 155 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:23,600 with yours. 156 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,200 Perfect. 157 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:34,100 Both of mine are relevant to current politics, interestingly enough. 158 00:08:34,100 --> 00:08:39,840 As everybody knows, there's perennial things that Americans all fight about. 159 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:46,560 And both of these historical documents pretty much make the debate pointless, but there's 160 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:54,120 a group of people that like to just deny reality and pretend like they don't exist. 161 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,800 Me when a work email comes through. 162 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,920 This email does not exist. 163 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,740 You have not found me. 164 00:09:04,740 --> 00:09:15,160 So the first is the Treaty of Tripoli, which was signed in 1796, while John Adams was president, 165 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,320 one of the founding fathers, FYI, for those who are not Americans. 166 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,680 And not his son, John Quincy. 167 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:25,680 He was also president. 168 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:32,640 No, the OG John Adams, my favorite president. 169 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,640 He's my favorite president and definitely my favorite founding father. 170 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:37,640 Interesting character. 171 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:44,720 But the Treaty of Tripoli was what the United States signed with a bunch of Barbary pirates 172 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,880 who were seizing Americans and were enslaving them. 173 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:55,040 And America didn't want Americans, white American citizens to be enslaved in Africa. 174 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:59,280 So we started a war with these pirates, basically. 175 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,080 And they were Muslim pirates. 176 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:12,840 So the original treaty was made in Arabic and that was translated into English and the 177 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,640 United States ratified it. 178 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:21,040 And ultimately, the Islamic treaty or the Arab treaty in Arabic and the treaty in English 179 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,960 were not the same treaty. 180 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:29,160 So they resigned a new treaty, I believe in 1806. 181 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,440 Excuse me, 1805. 182 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,880 One second here. 183 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,680 So it's very interesting. 184 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:40,120 And it was signed unanimously passed by the Senate. 185 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:45,320 And all those senators were, of course, founding fathers, given the time period. 186 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:50,600 The reason why all this background information is relevant is because in the Treaty of Tripoli, 187 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,400 which have you heard of the Treaty of Tripoli, Nate? 188 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,920 I've heard of the shores of Tripoli. 189 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:55,920 Yes. 190 00:10:55,920 --> 00:11:01,160 And the Treaty of Tripoli does sound vaguely familiar, though I couldn't tell you with 191 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,040 any certainty what it had to do about. 192 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,520 And I wouldn't have known it was having to do with pirates until you told me just now. 193 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:09,520 Sure. 194 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:17,840 So the important part to our current situation was that the English translation or the American 195 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,280 version has Article 11. 196 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:30,640 And Article 11 has John Adams's view of what the separation of church and state is. 197 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:38,520 So Article 11 reads, and this was unanimously passed by the founding fathers and endorsed 198 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,640 by a founding father president. 199 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:41,640 Remember? 200 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:42,640 Yes. 201 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:47,080 So, as the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on 202 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:52,720 the Christian religion, as it has in itself no character or enmity against the laws, religion, 203 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:58,160 or tranquility of Muslims, aka Muslims, and as the said states never entered into any 204 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:04,320 war or act of hostility against any Mohammedan nation, it is declared by the parties that 205 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:09,120 no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the 206 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,600 harmony existing between the two countries. 207 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,760 Isn't that interesting? 208 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:20,200 I think I know now why they don't teach the Treaty of Tripoli in government-run schools. 209 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:21,200 Yes. 210 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,800 Oh, yes. 211 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:29,600 Or I should say in Christian indoctrination churches. 212 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,560 Right. 213 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:38,840 It's insane that a document like this exists and people argue about it. 214 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:47,240 And interestingly enough, modern people argue that it should be discounted because it wasn't 215 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:52,640 in the Arabic version of the treaty, even though it was in the English version that 216 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,680 everybody read and everybody signed. 217 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:56,280 The treaty is only two pages long. 218 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,600 So yes, it's an OG treaty, you know, very, very simple. 219 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,520 Yeah, it's not the Apple terms and conditions. 220 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,800 No, it was not. 221 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:11,560 You can look up what would be called a PDF version of it, and there's only 12 articles 222 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:17,680 in the treaty, and they're all two or three sentences long. 223 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:25,160 So yeah, it's not exactly complicated to understand what was going on. 224 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,280 I can't believe they had PDFs back then. 225 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:28,280 I know, right? 226 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:29,280 Yeah. 227 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,080 John Adams uploaded it to a PDF. 228 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,000 He put it in the founding fathers cloud. 229 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,320 Yes. 230 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:43,040 I just thought of a third fun fact, but we can get to that later. 231 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,040 Okay. 232 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:51,000 But yeah, I can't believe this is always a hot topic even today with religious types. 233 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,280 Even without the Treaty of Tripoli, which I did do some researching on whether or not 234 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,920 our country was, you know, quote unquote Christian or not. 235 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:04,480 And even without the Treaty of Tripoli, surprise, it's not. 236 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:10,680 Most of the founding fathers didn't consider themselves Christian, for one. 237 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:14,680 Thomas Jefferson actually wrote the Thomas Jefferson Bible, where he took all of the 238 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:17,760 miracles out of it, out of the New Testament. 239 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:23,240 And it was basically just more like a philosophy book for him of, you know, guiding principles 240 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:29,400 and none of the, what he considered to be kind of like the magic, magic spells and things 241 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:30,400 like that. 242 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,980 But I think they were, is it Unitarian? 243 00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:35,980 Is that what? 244 00:14:35,980 --> 00:14:36,980 Adams was Unitarian. 245 00:14:36,980 --> 00:14:37,980 Unitarian. 246 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:41,600 They were mostly not Christians. 247 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,080 In the strict sense. 248 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:48,120 No, not, and Ben Franklin certainly wasn't a Christian. 249 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,280 At least not in any practical sense. 250 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:56,200 Yeah, he flew that kite at the try and lightning strike God. 251 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,120 All right. 252 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,080 Are you ready for my fact? 253 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,080 Absolutely. 254 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:10,880 And luckily for me, my fact coincides with one of my favorite historical periods, which 255 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:17,160 is the Lewis and Clark expedition, the Westward expansion. 256 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:22,480 And I'm very, very pro Lewis and Clark. 257 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,920 I'm all about stealing land from the native populace. 258 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,760 And okay, so somebody's going to take that and make a clip. 259 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:37,020 So when I run for president later, I won't be able to get any votes, but I'm not really 260 00:15:37,020 --> 00:15:38,020 for that. 261 00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:40,560 And actually I read one of my favorite books about Lewis and Clark. 262 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,080 I went on a huge Lewis and Clark spree last year. 263 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,160 I found all these books, I researched them. 264 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,960 Don't bother with Steven Ambrose. 265 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,200 Sorry Steven, or not sorry. 266 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,760 I guess he's very divisive in the historian community. 267 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,120 Yes, he is. 268 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,560 He'll write about anything basically. 269 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,680 But I read one of my favorite ones was Lewis and Clark among the Indians. 270 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:10,000 And it was less about them getting from point A to point B, but how their Native American 271 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,280 relations went. 272 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:20,800 And they basically are a very good case study for how it should be done. 273 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:26,160 And they were very, very good with all of the tribes that they encountered. 274 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,800 And they were very friendly with all the tribes they encountered. 275 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:34,920 And they had to be out of necessity for one point. 276 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:40,360 But Thomas Jefferson gave them the edict to go and be nice to these tribes and learn about 277 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,560 these tribes. 278 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:50,160 And to learn about the Native populations that were now under US rule, more or less. 279 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:57,860 Or within US lands, however they kind of phrase it at the time. 280 00:16:57,860 --> 00:17:05,400 In reading these books, and I've got a slew of suggestions if anybody is interested, but 281 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,920 Lewis and Clark among the Indians was a very good one. 282 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:13,360 And it really kind of opened my eyes to all of the things that they actually did. 283 00:17:13,360 --> 00:17:18,120 Because in most common conversation, Lewis and Clark, oh yeah, they went and found the 284 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:21,760 west side of the country, which isn't really what they did. 285 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:27,840 They were trying to find the quickest overland route to the west side. 286 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,560 They knew there was a west side. 287 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:36,140 But what I read in all of these books, they had a little addendum either at the beginning 288 00:17:36,140 --> 00:17:40,440 or in the back talking about Sacajawea. 289 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:45,020 So my favorite historical fact is if you read all the journals, and they're not just the 290 00:17:45,020 --> 00:17:49,640 Lewis and Clark journals, it's the Lewis and Clark Expeditions journals because they encouraged 291 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,040 every member to keep a journal. 292 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:59,200 Now every member didn't necessarily, or they didn't write as often as Lewis and Clark did, 293 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,640 but they all wrote journals. 294 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:11,040 And these notes about Sacajawea were basically, okay, I know we have to mention Sacajawea, 295 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,960 but if you read the journals, she actually doesn't really do anything. 296 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,340 She was 16 years old with a newborn. 297 00:18:18,340 --> 00:18:23,800 She had her French fur trapper husband slash owner. 298 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:29,980 We weren't even sure if she was a slave or if they were married or whatever. 299 00:18:29,980 --> 00:18:33,880 But his name was Charbonneau. 300 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:39,120 And she was, I guess what they figured was she was kind of kidnapped from her home tribe 301 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:45,880 by another tribe and then somehow got sold or married to this Charbonneau fur trapper, 302 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,820 French fur trapper. 303 00:18:47,820 --> 00:18:53,720 And hadn't been home since she was maybe 12 or 10 or 8, somewhere, really young. 304 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:58,880 And they get out there, and so everybody says, oh yeah, if not for Sacajawea, the expedition 305 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,680 wouldn't have survived. 306 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,400 But they go out there and they happen to be standing in the backyard of her tribe. 307 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:09,320 She doesn't recognize any of the landmarks, looks up across the river and sees her brother 308 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:14,260 or cousin or something and says, we're here. 309 00:19:14,260 --> 00:19:19,660 And that's basically all that there is about her in the journals. 310 00:19:19,660 --> 00:19:29,760 One of the two kind of adopted or quasi adopted or educated her son, her and Charbonneau's 311 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:30,760 son. 312 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:36,720 So I wanted to look up why we minted a coin for Sacajawea, the dollar coin, Sacajawea 313 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:41,440 dollar coin, why everybody loves Sacajawea when there's really no historical evidence 314 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,320 that she did a whole lot of anything. 315 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:49,920 Now, maybe she did, maybe she did, but not enough to warrant a lot of text in the journals. 316 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:50,920 Sure. 317 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,520 So here's what I found out. 318 00:19:54,520 --> 00:20:01,360 I found out that the Lewis and Clark expedition, if you're somebody who likes to romanticize 319 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:06,680 history, if you want to create fiction, if you want to create a dramatic work based on 320 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:13,080 the Lewis and Clark expedition, it's a shitty thing to try and base anything off of because 321 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,080 you know what? 322 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:21,000 They went all the way out, all the way back and they lost one person due to appendicitis. 323 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,520 There wasn't, I mean, yeah, sure. 324 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,560 They encountered like a bear. 325 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:31,320 Some of the tribes, like the situations got a little like sticky, got a little sticky, 326 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:36,600 but really there was, there's no death. 327 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:43,080 Got a whole lot of excitement in terms of modern Hollywood or even not modern Hollywood. 328 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,880 I guess I've never read any of the memoirs. 329 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:46,880 Yeah. 330 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,360 I would, you know what I'd say, I pick up Lewis and Clark among the Indians. 331 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:57,220 That's probably your best bet to kind of shine a whole new light on what they did. 332 00:20:57,220 --> 00:20:59,760 But they didn't, like there was really no danger. 333 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,560 And so in, so people started romanticizing it and putting out fictional versions, you 334 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:10,560 know, where Sacagawea was the one part of the love triangle between, you know, Clark 335 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,400 and Lewis and stuff. 336 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:19,640 And Charbonneau was some kind of slaver and whatever. 337 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:30,960 But what I found out was in 1893, a historian named Elliot Cows, and it looks like Cooz. 338 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,840 And the Cooz deer is actually named after him, but it shouldn't be pronounced Cooz 339 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,280 deer, it should be pronounced Cows deer. 340 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,140 So Elliot Cows, he's not a historian. 341 00:21:40,140 --> 00:21:44,620 He's an army surgeon and he was an avid traveler to the expedition sites. 342 00:21:44,620 --> 00:21:49,240 But what he did was he redrew Sacagawea's character, increased her participation in 343 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,760 the journey. 344 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,720 And it says that his work strayed widely from what was originally recorded about the expedition. 345 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:01,480 And those alterations that he made blossomed into expedition fiction. 346 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:06,800 And here is probably the most important part. 347 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,960 That pro-feminist arguments contributed to the uplifting of Sacagawea's character and 348 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:17,720 that anti-French sentiment was used to turn the fur trapper, who did a lot more of the 349 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:26,160 guide work, into a kind of a crass and terrible person because there was a lot of anti-French 350 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,680 sentiment at the time. 351 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,720 And I guess the pro-feminists really liked the idea that there was a 16-year-old female 352 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:37,120 that saved the expedition, even though that's not true. 353 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:38,880 Interesting. 354 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:47,080 That reminds me of Washington Irving making up the myth that Columbus set sail to prove 355 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,600 the earth was round. 356 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,840 Which is a complete falsehood. 357 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,880 But people believe it. 358 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,200 I thought he set sail to rape and pillage. 359 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,280 Well, kind of. 360 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,960 That was kind of the goal. 361 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,400 Just not on the continent he landed on. 362 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,400 Well, yeah. 363 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:11,200 I have another little tidbit about Columbus, real quick. 364 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,720 That they were in, what is it, they landed where? 365 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,720 South America, right? 366 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,120 Yeah, it was in Espanola. 367 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:25,320 Yeah, and they were raping and pillaging and the population was like, whoa, wait a second, 368 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:30,600 we thought you came here as gods, but you're clearly just a bunch of horny assholes. 369 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:36,840 And because they knew the star charts and everything, they knew a lunar eclipse was 370 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:37,840 coming. 371 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,440 And so they said, well, if you don't let us continue raping your wives, we're going to 372 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,120 blot out the sun or whatever. 373 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:52,960 And so two days later, the eclipse happened and they got to go back to raping all the 374 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,700 women. 375 00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:55,700 That's horrible. 376 00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:56,700 Horrible, but amusing. 377 00:23:56,700 --> 00:23:57,700 Well, what do you do? 378 00:23:57,700 --> 00:23:58,700 Right, I wasn't there. 379 00:23:58,700 --> 00:23:59,700 It's in the past, sorry. 380 00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:08,960 Right, I'm not directly responsible for that. 381 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:15,620 But maybe it's a good lesson in stay in school and don't do drugs. 382 00:24:15,620 --> 00:24:20,280 Because then you'll know when the next eclipse is and you can not be taken advantage of if 383 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,880 you're on the weaker side. 384 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:31,360 Sure, maybe it's a good lesson about critical thinking and questioning charlatans. 385 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:38,360 So before your next tidbit, I'm about, I don't know, three quarters of an inch from the wrapper 386 00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:40,960 here, which I'm about to peel off. 387 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,120 But so far it's been very steady, very consistent. 388 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,200 And as well, I'm about halfway through. 389 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,600 Okay. 390 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:56,040 It's not overly dark, but it has nice characteristics, I think. 391 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,680 Nice, goes down a complex flavor. 392 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,560 Not super sweet, but it's not offensive by any means. 393 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:05,560 It's pleasant. 394 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:06,560 I was expecting that. 395 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,080 I've had a particular cigar before. 396 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,080 Okay. 397 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,480 Cohiba is a very popular brand, but I don't. 398 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,080 Well, I see why. 399 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,880 I don't care for them because they usually don't have a lot of character. 400 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,320 You know, they're just kind of a one note pleasant. 401 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,080 It's good, but it's just like. 402 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,440 Yeah, it's pleasant. 403 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,920 I don't think it's the best one we've smoked. 404 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,720 No, it's not. 405 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:37,520 But it's certainly one that I might keep just for kind of a go-to on a day where I don't 406 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,680 have anything else to smoke, I suppose. 407 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:41,680 Right. 408 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,400 It's good to give somebody who doesn't smoke a lot of cigars, but they want to try a real 409 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:47,400 cigar. 410 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,400 Yeah. 411 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,160 I mean, they've got the brand cred. 412 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,080 Everybody's heard of Cohiba, mostly. 413 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,440 That's into cigars anyway. 414 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,680 Oh, absolutely. 415 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,320 They're very famous. 416 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,280 So it's mainstream borderline. 417 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,880 Kind of like Omega watches or something. 418 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,000 Everybody knows about it. 419 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:19,320 So anyway, I guess speaking of charlatans, my next two are also about American politics 420 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:25,800 and charlatans and people lying. 421 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:31,160 So we're going to fast forward in American history about 60 years to right before the 422 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,160 Civil War. 423 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,240 Where could this possibly be going? 424 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,480 Where could this possibly be going? 425 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:46,840 So again, for anybody who is listening to us who's not an American, we still have these 426 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:55,440 debates 150 years after our Civil War about the causes and motivations of the political 427 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:56,880 leaders who started- 428 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,400 It was states' rights. 429 00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,720 It was states' rights. 430 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:07,200 Yes, it was states' rights and the average Confederate soldier was fighting for his state 431 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,680 and his culture and his freedom. 432 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,320 So these black people and chains back here, don't pay attention to them. 433 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,320 States' rights. 434 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,320 Right. 435 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:20,680 It's called the Lost Cause Myth for those who are not aware. 436 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:29,800 It's like a romanticization of the motivations of the Confederate forces. 437 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:35,360 Where of course both Yankees and Minnesota lost a significant portion of its soldiers 438 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:36,360 in the Civil War. 439 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:42,000 So I do have a slanted view as a warning for everybody else. 440 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,480 And my family's been in the North since the 1650s. 441 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,280 So it definitely skews my perception a little bit. 442 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,240 I went to college in Oklahoma where everybody called me a Yankee and I did some checking 443 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,240 and guess what? 444 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,240 Oklahoma? 445 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,440 Not in the Civil War. 446 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,960 So they weren't there. 447 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:01,960 Sorry. 448 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,960 Right. 449 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,960 Yeah. 450 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,920 That's how the Southern culture is spread. 451 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:13,760 So anyway, my second little favorite fact here is a little thing called the Cornerstone 452 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,760 Speech. 453 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:22,320 And the Cornerstone Speech was made March 21st, 1861, which is shortly before the start 454 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,320 of the Civil War. 455 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:31,040 And it was made by the vice president, the future vice president of the Confederacy, 456 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,880 Alexander Stevens. 457 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:39,640 Oh, yes. 458 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:50,680 So it's called the Cornerstone Speech because basically the guy was trying to lay the cornerstone 459 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,840 in the speech for the foundation of the Confederacy. 460 00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:01,160 And it was very interesting. 461 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,600 So here's a direct quote from the speech. 462 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:11,600 The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our 463 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:18,240 peculiar institution, aka African slavery as it exists among us, the proper status of 464 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,260 the Negro in our form of civilization. 465 00:29:21,260 --> 00:29:26,120 This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. 466 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,080 Jefferson in his forecast had anticipated this as the rock upon which the old union 467 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,400 would split. 468 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,400 He was right. 469 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:41,400 I'm glad he put it to rest. 470 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,400 I mean, thank goodness. 471 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,640 Let's all read it and then we can stop arguing about it. 472 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:46,640 Right. 473 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,640 Yeah. 474 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,520 It's like, you know, in the speech, he said, our new government's foundations are laid 475 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:57,200 as cornerstone rests upon the great truth that the Negro is not equal to the white man. 476 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,440 That slavery is is his natural and normal condition. 477 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,440 This our new government is the first in the history of the world based upon the great 478 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,880 physical, philosophical and moral truth. 479 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,580 So I don't I don't I don't like that. 480 00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:17,480 But I mean, if he knows what he's talking about, I just have to blindly accept it, I 481 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,720 guess. 482 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,280 I don't agree with that. 483 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,280 Obviously, I don't know. 484 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,480 Me either. 485 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,400 I was doing a parody of the people on the Internet and they're like, well, I read this. 486 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,760 I don't quite like it, but it must be true. 487 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:30,880 Oh, yeah. 488 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,200 It's like so it's kind of like the Treaty of Tripoli. 489 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:41,800 It's so blatant and obvious that anybody who does any amount of research for themselves 490 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:48,560 and who has an open mind knows that the South was fighting to preserve slavery. 491 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:49,560 I don't know. 492 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,720 That still kind of sounds like states rights to me. 493 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:52,720 Yeah. 494 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,600 States rights, which is now still a boogeyman in many ways. 495 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,960 Not all the time, obviously. 496 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,640 I'm a states rights person myself. 497 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,440 But well, I like state states rights. 498 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:10,760 I believe in state rights, but I don't believe in state rights to subjugate an entire population 499 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,320 based on race. 500 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,320 Sure. 501 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,120 Well, obviously, I shouldn't say sure. 502 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,120 Yes. 503 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,120 Yeah. 504 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,120 Sure. 505 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,120 OK, Nate. 506 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,120 OK. 507 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:27,000 So I support states rights because I from working around the country with different 508 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,600 people from around the country, I kind of came to the understanding that the United 509 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:37,540 States is an empire and that each state is kind of like a nation and we're radically 510 00:31:37,540 --> 00:31:40,560 different from one another. 511 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,600 You know, Minnesota, Wisconsin and North Dakota are radically different. 512 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:50,200 And they're certainly radically different than Louisiana and Arkansas, you know, or 513 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,200 Mississippi. 514 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:57,920 Like those are those places are not anything alike in culture just because we share a similar 515 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:58,920 language. 516 00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,920 Yeah. 517 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:00,920 For those. 518 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:06,920 And I'll say like even within the upper Midwest here, you know, like Minnesota, North Dakota, 519 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:12,360 Wisconsin, we all kind of like hate each other or give each other grief about, oh, you're 520 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,200 from Minnesota, oh, you're from Wisconsin, oh, you're in the Dakotas. 521 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,280 You know, you can loop in like, you know, Iowa and Illinois sometimes do. 522 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,920 But by and large, like if there's like some southerner up here, we're going to defend 523 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,240 each other to that southerner, you know. 524 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,240 Oh, absolutely. 525 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:30,240 So we've got kind of a shared culture, even though we have little like fractures or good 526 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:36,600 natured ribbing between the different states and even even, you know, like within the state, 527 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:45,280 you know, if you're in the city center like I am versus Mike or James in somewhere else 528 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,280 northern Minnesota. 529 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,440 Yeah, you still get you still get some differences. 530 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,360 But then we're all still we're Minnesotans. 531 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,360 We're living here. 532 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,400 Oh, absolutely. 533 00:32:54,400 --> 00:33:00,760 But you know, for those who don't live up north, my local news puts subtitles on people 534 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,920 from the south when they have them on the news show. 535 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:09,360 So if they cover something going on in the south and they have an interview with somebody, 536 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,160 they put subtitles because a lot of people cannot understand southern English, the southern 537 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,700 dialect. 538 00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:19,920 Sometimes they just put subtitles on black people and you can understand you can understand 539 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:20,920 them just fine. 540 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,720 And you're like, why? 541 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,240 Why though with the subtitles? 542 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,720 I guess I've never noticed that. 543 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,400 But I'm sure they do. 544 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,400 I'm sure they do. 545 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,920 I know that some of the southerners, I I never personally have a difficult time understanding 546 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,840 them, but I worked with a lot of southerners in the oil industry. 547 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:44,280 But I can see why they put subtitles on is my nieces and nephews can't understand, you 548 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,280 know. 549 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,280 I do. 550 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,280 Like I do watch quite a few foreign films and things. 551 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,320 And every once in a while is just like. 552 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,040 Usually I'm pretty good if they're speaking English, but they're you know, they've got 553 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,040 the accent. 554 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,080 But sometimes it's like I have to go back and flip the subtitles on to say what the 555 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,480 hell were they talking about there? 556 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,920 Especially if they get like agitated or they're, you know, like passionate. 557 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:08,920 Oh, sure. 558 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,400 I mean, it's the same when I get drunk, you know. 559 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,120 Yeah, I wish you came with an accent. 560 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,320 It gets stronger. 561 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,880 Oh, Siri barely understands me on my phone. 562 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:19,880 It's crazy. 563 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,520 Had an iPhone since forever, you know. 564 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,320 And they still still has our time understanding what I want. 565 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,560 But anyway, so that's yeah, that's the cornerstone speech. 566 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,880 And again, it's like an issue. 567 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,960 I still don't understand. 568 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:41,720 We're arguing about it today with the crazy Confederate flags and people. 569 00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:47,480 Why don't we talk about the Confederate flags and Confederate statues for a little bit? 570 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:54,200 Because that should be should be just far enough out of kind of the popular focus or 571 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,080 the mainstream focus in the news right now, especially with certain leaked documents from 572 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,120 the Supreme Court. 573 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:07,400 But you know, how do you feel about them tearing down Confederate statues and kind of banning 574 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,880 the Confederate flag? 575 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,320 Well, first of all, the Confederate flag is a lie. 576 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,800 It was not a Confederate battle flag and it wasn't a flag of the Confederacy. 577 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:23,080 It was a flag that was resurrected by the Ku Klux Klan to like wave around and terrorize 578 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,080 black people. 579 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,360 Now, now wait a second here, Mike. 580 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,640 The Ku Klux Klan, they're a states rights advocacy group, right? 581 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,640 Yeah. 582 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,400 Oh my God. 583 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,320 I hope everybody knows I'm being incredibly sarcastic. 584 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,440 Yes. 585 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,440 With that. 586 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,840 So again, no offense to anybody. 587 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,720 I'm guessing that all of our listeners are North American. 588 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,440 We do have listeners overseas though, Mike. 589 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,480 Do we really? 590 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,480 We do. 591 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,480 Interesting. 592 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,520 Well, hello overseas listener. 593 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,520 Or BienVidu. 594 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,520 Oh, OK. 595 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:07,760 But yeah, the KKK, short for Ku Klux Klan, is a white supremacist organization that's 596 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,120 ebbed and flowed over the years. 597 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,760 They've been embraced by Hollywood in the past. 598 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,040 Birth of a nation. 599 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:22,120 Birth of a nation, the first American blockbuster shown by Democratic President Woodrow Wilson, 600 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,120 president of Wisconsin. 601 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,120 I did not buy tickets to go see that. 602 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,600 So I am in the clear. 603 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,400 My conscience is clear. 604 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,680 No, I've never seen it. 605 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,160 I kind of want to watch it. 606 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,880 I've seen clips from it in film school. 607 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,680 It is pretty propaganda-y. 608 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:46,660 Oh, I can imagine that the super racist Woodrow Wilson. 609 00:36:46,660 --> 00:36:51,080 But is it more racist than Disney's Song of the South? 610 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,080 I don't know. 611 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,080 I don't. 612 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,000 I actually have a bootleg copy and I haven't watched it yet. 613 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,120 You mean you have a legal copy you legally acquired through the course of legal daily 614 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,120 citizen activities. 615 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:07,880 Yes, I legally acquired it and it is supposedly a German copy because they sold it there. 616 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,560 Why wouldn't they? 617 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,800 My grandma was full-blooded German, so I'm like, I love some German things, but sometimes 618 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,960 it's like, Germany, man, it was two world wars you started. 619 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:25,240 Well, my next fact is about that particular incident that has not been named yet. 620 00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:26,560 Still a good segue. 621 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:27,560 Let's go. 622 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,560 Yes. 623 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,560 Let's do it. 624 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,560 Perfect. 625 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,200 I found this out when I was in college going for history and I had to write myself a little 626 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,960 paper and I wrote a paper about Holocaust denialism, which was a pretty hot topic like 627 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:41,960 20 years ago. 628 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,960 I don't know how hot it is now, but I know that there's- 629 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,200 You still see it making the rounds though. 630 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:53,120 Every once in a while, a politician or a celebrity gets busted because they either denied that 631 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:58,840 the Holocaust happened or they compared something incredibly mundane and trivial to the Holocaust. 632 00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,840 Absolutely. 633 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:05,120 I know that the alt-right, they love Holocaust denial. 634 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,120 They love it. 635 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,120 They love it. 636 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:13,520 I don't know why it's so popular amongst that certain sect of right-wingers, but they enjoy 637 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,640 it for some reason. 638 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:23,880 My fun fact was that the American government, upper levels, knew that the Holocaust was 639 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:32,600 going on early on, like late 30s, early 40s, before we even, we being the United States, 640 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,400 entered the war. 641 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:42,400 And FDR kept this information tight to his clothes to the point where Eisenhower- 642 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,840 So is this- I'm sorry. 643 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,900 Just so that I'm clear and our listeners are clear. 644 00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:51,840 Is this something true or is this something Holocaust deniers are saying? 645 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,880 No, this is something true. 646 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:54,880 Okay. 647 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:55,880 That- 648 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,240 I just wanted to clear that up. 649 00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:03,640 That defeats the argument of the Holocaust deniers. 650 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:10,100 So this was a state secret to the point where Eisenhower, who was the leader of the allied 651 00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:16,620 forces in Europe once the Americans got involved, he was not aware that the Holocaust was going 652 00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:18,120 on. 653 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:25,560 So when American troops, British and American troops started liberating Holocaust camps, 654 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,960 he started getting this information and he had a hard time leaving it. 655 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,200 He went onto the ground and he saw what was happening. 656 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:39,160 He could barely believe it, especially since he was a high level member of the government. 657 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,240 Wasn't he president or something? 658 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:45,000 He became president. 659 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:54,300 So he, in his infinite wisdom, started documenting their taking over the camps and taking pictures 660 00:39:54,300 --> 00:40:00,400 of the prisoners and taking pictures of the bodies and taking pictures of the bone piles 661 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,600 and taking pictures of the hangings and taking pictures of the tortured victims and taking 662 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:11,520 pictures of the Nazi propaganda and of the barracks and everything. 663 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:17,640 They actually sent, and I should know off the top of my head, I didn't know we were 664 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,960 going to talk about this or I would have looked it up, but you can't actually get it in America. 665 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,760 You have to buy this documentary that was shot in one of the Holocaust camps, in one 666 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,320 of the concentration camps. 667 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:36,700 They sent, I want to say like Stanley Kubrick to go film it because they thought nobody 668 00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:38,160 is going to believe this. 669 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,720 These are horrors beyond anyone's imagination. 670 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:42,320 Nobody's going to believe this. 671 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:50,160 So they brought in a big Hollywood director, like famous, to go film this stuff. 672 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,880 It's cost prohibitive to pick up because you can't get it here. 673 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,960 So you have to order it from overseas and they're the only ones with the footage. 674 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,880 You're saying that in the land of the free, home of the brave, our government is censoring 675 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,680 precious information? 676 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,560 No, it's state's rights. 677 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,640 So anyway, that's not funny at all. 678 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,200 We're talking about a very serious topic. 679 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,200 I know. 680 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:22,240 I'm not trying to poke light at what happened or whatever, but I think that- 681 00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:25,240 I'm hoping it's one of the people who deny the Holocaust is what I'm doing. 682 00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:29,840 And those people who deny those things deny that we're not actually a Christian nation. 683 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,360 Those are the people suppressing this sort of information and they're high enough up 684 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,680 where the average American, it's an awful lot of work to get to some of these things. 685 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,920 Well, it can be. 686 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,760 I'm still not to my fun fact yet. 687 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:42,760 Yes, I'm sorry. 688 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,160 The only reason why I know about this is because I was a history major in college and had to 689 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,920 write a paper on it. 690 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,640 So I had to go and find original sources. 691 00:41:53,640 --> 00:42:00,400 So anyway, Eisenhower had the notion that people in the future would deny the Holocaust 692 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,460 because it's unbelievable, even to him, and he was there. 693 00:42:04,460 --> 00:42:12,260 So the Eisenhower ordered all these documents to be created, pictures, apparently a film. 694 00:42:12,260 --> 00:42:17,440 But the fun thing or the fact is that anyone can go to the Eisenhower Library, which is 695 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,040 a government run institution. 696 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,360 You can go onto the website and you can see the images from the Holocaust. 697 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,120 You can go to the Eisenhower Library, you can go on the website and you can see the 698 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,880 proof that the Holocaust is real. 699 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,840 And it's pretty gruesome. 700 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:43,880 Some of them, you're talking piles of ashes mixed with bones, mass graves, all sorts of 701 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,080 stuff. 702 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:54,400 Pictures of Eisenhower and Patton and Bradley on tour at the concentration camps, pictures 703 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,160 of them there. 704 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:04,720 So it was a pretty big cover up, I know back when I was paying attention, it was always 705 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,200 like, oh, they're making it up or oh, it's a conspiracy. 706 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:16,480 And it's like, you have pictures of these generals next to mass graves open with bodies. 707 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,480 That's pretty incredible. 708 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:26,480 Well, they're kind of the same of the same cloth as the people who deny the moon landing. 709 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,520 And they say, oh, it was faked with computer imagery. 710 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:36,200 And then you look at CGI from like 2005 and you're like, how did we even watch this with 711 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,200 some CGI? 712 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:47,360 I can't imagine denying that because it shouldn't be like a political thing. 713 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,360 People died. 714 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:54,040 People's entire families were wiped off of the planet. 715 00:43:54,040 --> 00:44:01,120 Their lines of families, like family generations just ended. 716 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,360 And it's not about you whether or not you think it did or didn't happen. 717 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:10,280 You're minimizing somebody else's experience, somebody else's family experience, somebody 718 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,280 else's tragedy. 719 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,280 Sure. 720 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,960 I mean, it doesn't benefit anybody politically that I can understand. 721 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,000 But yet people want to fight about it or they want to use it. 722 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,880 They want to manipulate it to make it a political point. 723 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:32,100 To a certain extent, I understand why denial of the Holocaust against the Native American 724 00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:40,000 population is still going on because that is politically potent in some cases, which 725 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,120 is a total crap. 726 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:48,240 That's a long history of things going over 400 years. 727 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:52,480 And I could do research and we could talk about that someday, I guess. 728 00:44:52,480 --> 00:45:01,720 But even my, I know people that were at the residential schools where they tried to kill 729 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:05,680 the Indian and save the man was their motto. 730 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:06,680 It's like... 731 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,880 Like the re-education, they did all that. 732 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,080 And they've been doing that too more recently. 733 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:18,520 And this is more politically charged than the Native American re-education camps, but 734 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,960 the gay conversion centers, like those therapy centers. 735 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,960 Oh, right. 736 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:23,960 Right. 737 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:24,960 Like Michelle Bachman's husband. 738 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:25,960 Yeah. 739 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:26,960 Yeah. 740 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,240 For those of you who don't know, Michelle Bachman was a congresswoman from Minnesota 741 00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:34,680 who has a husband who is clearly a closeted homosexual. 742 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:35,680 Yeah. 743 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,080 And I actually met Michelle Bachman. 744 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,080 Oh, really? 745 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,080 Yeah. 746 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,080 How was she? 747 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:47,440 Except for asking if I thought her husband was attractive. 748 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:48,440 I'm just kidding. 749 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:49,440 That didn't happen. 750 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,440 I did. 751 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,480 I met her, but I was working for the Boy Scouts of America. 752 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,120 And they are not... 753 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,880 And recently they've been trying to change because they've been forced to, but they have 754 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:04,520 not historically been an atheist or alternative lifestyle friendly organization. 755 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:11,680 So I was not able to get into the weeds with her as it were on any political things. 756 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,400 So it was just more of a, hi, nice to meet you. 757 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,080 And then under my breath, I hope you burn in hell. 758 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,480 If there is such a place. 759 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,160 Well, Michelle Bachman's district had Stearns County in it, which not coincidentally has 760 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,120 the highest rate of incest in the whole state. 761 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,840 Huzzah. 762 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,160 Keep it in the family. 763 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,160 That's right. 764 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,880 But yeah. 765 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:43,020 So those are all, I'm sure that my American listeners noticed a slant of my fun facts 766 00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:50,400 because they all go against a certain narrative that is told in the United States by certain 767 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,400 people. 768 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,400 Yes. 769 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,840 I have one founding father fun fact that I think you might enjoy. 770 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,080 You might know it, you might not. 771 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:05,540 The first dinosaur fossil was discovered after George Washington died. 772 00:47:05,540 --> 00:47:10,680 So he had no idea there were even dinosaurs on the planet. 773 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,560 I did not know that. 774 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,160 I did not know that. 775 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:19,840 I know that when I went to Mount Vernon, it was summertime. 776 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:26,480 And for those who don't know, Minnesota summertime, especially up North, very humid and very hot, 777 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,000 90 degrees, 100% humidity. 778 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,600 Well that's not hot for Florida or Texas or Arizona. 779 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:35,800 No, it's not. 780 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:41,120 It's not hot for those places, but it also used to be negative 30 here for like a month. 781 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,760 But just as a frame of reference, it's 100% humidity and 90 degrees where I live in the 782 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:46,760 summer. 783 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,680 And I went there during the summer and I thought I was going to die in Virginia there. 784 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,800 It was absolutely horrible. 785 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,880 I definitely came away thinking that George Washington was an asshole with his slaves. 786 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:04,120 It's like who the fuck could consciously make people work in this shit? 787 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,120 It's awful. 788 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,120 It's just horrible. 789 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,440 Yeah, but I guess everybody was working in that shit. 790 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:15,960 And from the book we talked about a couple episodes back, the Black, Rednecks, and White 791 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:22,920 Liberals, he actually talked about George Washington and his kind of treatment of slaves. 792 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:32,680 And he was actively buying slaves because in his will, he gave all of his slaves freedom. 793 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,680 Yes, yes. 794 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,520 But that doesn't change the weather. 795 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,000 No, it doesn't change the weather. 796 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,000 In DC. 797 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,360 And actually for about a six year, six or seven year period, I was going to Washington, 798 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:51,160 DC every other year for reasons I can't talk about now because they've got a contract out 799 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,160 on me. 800 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,600 But no, it was with the Boy Scouts. 801 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,400 I would go and we went and took a family trip. 802 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,400 And so I went like every other year for the Boy Scouts. 803 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,600 But I got to see a lot of DC that way, which is pretty cool. 804 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:01,920 Oh, it's very cool. 805 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,680 I would definitely want to go back to go to the Smithsonian specifically. 806 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,800 I really enjoyed that. 807 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,960 I liked the air and space. 808 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,680 That one's really cool. 809 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,200 Oh, I didn't go there. 810 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,200 I didn't go there. 811 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:20,640 I went to the two art museums and the American History Museum. 812 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:21,640 They're all cool. 813 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:28,160 Oh yeah, you can spend a lot of time there, weeks and weeks probably. 814 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,680 So unfortunately, I'm done with my cigar. 815 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,400 I think it was very good. 816 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,760 Definitely not like a favorite. 817 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:38,760 I wouldn't say favorite. 818 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:46,640 I would say it's very firmly in the slightly above average. 819 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:55,700 See and now I have about an inch and a half left and I'm getting a very ashy sour taste 820 00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:56,700 out of the cigar. 821 00:49:56,700 --> 00:49:57,700 Okay. 822 00:49:57,700 --> 00:49:59,720 Mine kind of went a little sour and I just put it out because I've got about an inch 823 00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:02,880 left, maybe about an inch and a half. 824 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,240 I don't know, maybe about an inch and a half. 825 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:07,520 So I just put it out because I'm like, eh, okay. 826 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:13,920 It was like the pole was getting very hot and I was like, it's probably about done. 827 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:21,760 But I think by and large, I would smoke a Cohiba over our Bin Maduro. 828 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,200 Not if you put tequila on it. 829 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,080 See I would smoke our tequila Bin Maduro over a Cohiba any day. 830 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,280 Me too. 831 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:31,280 Yes. 832 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,280 Yes. 833 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,560 So yeah, that's it. 834 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,840 I think Cohiba Black. 835 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,320 If you want a good just middle of the road, you want to try a name brand cigar, you want 836 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:46,520 to get off of, I don't know, Bin Cigars or whatever. 837 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,080 You've got a special event and you've got people that want to try cigars. 838 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,680 Cohiba couldn't really go wrong, I don't think. 839 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,120 It was consistent. 840 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,940 It was consistent. 841 00:50:57,940 --> 00:50:58,940 It's all right. 842 00:50:58,940 --> 00:51:02,000 There's better cigars for the money. 843 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,720 But you can hand somebody a Cohiba and they're going to say yes, most likely. 844 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:07,720 Yeah. 845 00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:11,280 It's just like liquor. 846 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:18,160 There's better whiskey for cheaper than some of the big name brands that run multi-million 847 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,360 dollar ads. 848 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:22,640 But it's got the recognition. 849 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,600 So it's kind of a double edged sword. 850 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:26,600 But it's not a bad. 851 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,760 It's not a bad drink and not a bad cigar. 852 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:30,760 Right. 853 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:31,760 Well, okay. 854 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:32,760 All right. 855 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,400 Well, thanks for listening and we'll pick you up next week. 856 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:57,400 Have a good week.