All right, welcome to Nice Ashes.
I'm Mike.
I'm Nate.
And it's rare we're both here in the same space.
I'm looking right into Mike's eyes.
And we have another guest.
Would you like to introduce our third guest?
Yes, our third co-host here is my dog, Evie.
She is probably going to be making noise in the background if she's lovingly chewing on
a bone.
She will not be partaking in this cigar smoking.
No, or the whiskey drinking.
Or the beer drinking.
But she is partaking in some doggy delights.
Yes, she is.
What are we smoking today, Mike?
These are Diesel Whiskey Rose, which are one of your favorites, I think.
They are, yes.
I quite enjoy these and I'm glad we get to smoke them on our podcast here.
Absolutely.
Well, light up.
Light up.
It is nice to be smoking in Mike's patio instead of out in the wilderness.
Yeah, the 17 degree weather that we've been having, which is miserable.
That it is.
Well, what are we talking about today as we're smoking these whiskey rose?
Well, I think we were going to talk about NEETs, weren't we?
Yeah.
NEETs are some variation of that acronym.
Some variation.
So, there's a NEET.
It's not in education, employment, or training.
And these are people we're talking about.
These are people, yes.
People.
Usually under 30s.
They're typically referring to under 30s.
Okay.
And there's a second one that's called ENLET.
I'm going to look it up here because it's more specific.
Very specific.
They went and dialed it in even closer, huh?
Yes.
N-L-F-E-T.
And that is not in the labor force education or training.
And the NEETs include people who are unemployed, whereas not in the labor force excludes that
number.
And so, let's clear this up right now.
Unemployed is you don't have a job, but you're actively looking for one?
That's correct.
Okay.
And then not in the labor force is you don't have a job and you're not looking for one.
You're not looking for one.
Okay.
Because I remember back in, I don't know, well, they're doing it now even with the great
resignation and they'll say like the unemployment numbers are dropping, dropping, dropping.
But that could be because people are just giving up too.
And that was kind of back in 2008 in that economic downturn.
There was some concern that maybe the numbers were being, the unemployment rate was being
artificially lowered because they weren't including people that just kind of gave up.
Yes.
That was the same case in 2009, 2008, I think.
Yeah, that's what I said.
Listen.
I was looking it up by my research.
I know.
I was giving Mike some grief here.
Yup, yup.
Yup.
So we have a map here of NEETs and where they're located.
And it's pretty interesting because in the West, we've been propagandized to believe
that this population is a problem, right?
Which population?
Well, our population, the NEET population, that the lazy man-child's living in his mother's
basement is somehow like a phenomenon.
Okay.
And realistically, if you look at the numbers, which you can look right here, the little
graph.
And Mike's holding this up to the microphone so you can hopefully see it as well.
Yes, I am.
I am.
But the United States and the Western world does not have that much of a population of
these NEETs.
Okay.
Not by comparison to...
Yeah, it looks like Africa and then China.
Africa and China, yeah.
Have kind of the higher densities there.
Which is crazy.
You wouldn't think that China would be the place where they had a bunch of people not
working and doing anything at all.
Would this discount politicians and oligarchs?
They should.
But I really enjoy it because we all know people that are NEETs, as they would say.
They're N-L-E-F-E-T.
For as low as the population density is, chances are you know at least one.
Absolutely.
And according to the stats, the United States has maybe 7% of the adult population in this
category.
Which is not good.
But it's not really...
I don't know.
I wouldn't consider it an act of phenomenon that's going to cause a problem.
Eventually these people will have to find jobs.
Perhaps.
So how does the typical NEET or N-F-L-E-T live then?
How do they not starve and die of exposure?
See?
And that's the thing.
Is that what we're talking about.
These people, even though they're not a huge percentage of the population, they're not
really a problem.
They're living off their family members.
Because you can't just survive without...
So this could be the 30 something gamer man living in his parents basement.
Absolutely.
It also includes 19 year olds.
And in the UK they consider 16 year olds all the way down there because they're in their
employment numbers.
Okay.
Yep.
Japan actually has a kind of a subculture of neatness.
It's really weird.
They have a lot of interesting subcultures over there.
They do.
Like the... what are they?
The waifu pillows or whatever they are?
The waifu pillows.
Yeah, waifu pillows.
Whatever that is.
It's a pillow that's supposed to be like your wife.
I haven't met one of those yet.
Even the MyPillow guy.
Oh yeah, MyPillow guy.
Oh my god.
Michael Lennel.
I don't know how he sells pillows.
He's just not the kind of person I want to imagine when I'm laying down.
He's a character in half.
So we're about half an inch in.
What are we thinking?
It's good.
A little harsh.
Yeah.
You know what?
When you said, oh, this is one of your favorites.
And I'm like, this does not taste how I recollected.
Yeah.
And it's...
They've been in my humidor for a couple of months.
So it's not that.
They're nice and soft, but they're definitely a little...
Yeah.
It's quite a bit harsher.
And I remember the last time, and maybe this is just false memories, but I thought that
it had a whiskey kind of flavor to it.
And I'm not really getting that from this one.
So yeah, I don't know what's going on.
I'm not getting a whiskey flavor from it either.
And I'm getting good puffs out of it.
But like you said, it's a bit harsh right now.
It definitely is.
The ash is good though.
Yeah, it is good.
Look at the ash.
I'll hold mine up to the mic here.
Yup.
You can see it.
All right, carry on.
So they've got a...
Japan has an interesting, neat subculture.
Yes.
Yes, they do.
Apparently, there's a subculture that rejects adulthood, and they just kind of live off their
parents.
And it's interesting.
It's kind of a fight against their gray man.
You know, the corporate corporatist in the gray suit.
We grew up with that sort of imagery.
They have that there as well.
And it's viewed as these young people who are educated for the most part, just don't
want to participate in Japanese labor.
Which I guess probably has a lot to do with the fact that they work so many hours.
Yeah.
Well, we kind of do here too.
You know, it seems our societal drive or normalcy is, you know, if you work 60 plus hours a
week and get no sleep and devote your entire life to your job, then somehow your company
will look out for you.
And I think ever since 2008 and beyond, that just doesn't happen anymore.
Our parents had pensions.
They stayed with one company for their whole lives.
And now I think the average, last time I checked, several years ago now, but it was like the
average person has maybe eight to 15 different careers.
Like, it's not a career, but different jobs.
Because the way of the career is kind of dying in our culture.
Oh, for certain.
And I've worked for a number of employers ranging from restaurants to school districts.
You know, I've had a lot of different jobs.
Like job I have now is actually the longest one I've ever had in four years.
Yeah.
That's kind of scary.
Mine too.
I'm coming up on seven.
Holy smokes.
Yeah, I'm over four.
And it's like, wow, I've never been anywhere.
I know, I'm getting like the fight or flight, you know, like I gotta get out.
I worked for one company for three years before this, and I really liked working for them.
I enjoyed my job too, don't get me wrong.
It's definitely interesting.
I've never been in NEET though, I don't think.
I've always been in, even since I was 15, I've been either employed or in college or something.
Yeah, me as well.
Ever since graduating college, I'd go back and live with my parents over the summers.
But ever since graduating college, I haven't been unemployed.
I was unemployed for a little bit, for like two weeks in between jobs once.
I've been unemployed when I was doing construction.
Didn't run back and live with the parents there.
No, no.
When I was unemployed doing construction, I was ice fishing and I was enjoying being
unemployed.
It was kind of like a vacation between working 70 hours a week and working 70 hours a week
again.
And even then I was still in education, because I'm pretty sure I was still, when I was last
time I was unemployed, I was still in trade school.
So now I'm about an inch in and I think it's mellowed considerably.
I agree.
It's starting to really round out.
Yeah, that first half inch man was not-
The mighty first half inch.
So there's a story behind why we're talking about NEETs.
And it happened a couple months ago, we were talking about someone that we both know.
A mutual acquaintance.
A mutual acquaintance who through faults of their own found themselves to be unemployed
and not in education, not in training and wallowing in their own self pity.
More or less, yes.
More or less, yes, yes, yes.
Which it happens.
It happens.
It's interesting.
I think it's all about the attitude and you could be a NEET or whatever the other acronym
is.
N-L-F-E-T.
Not to be confused with an NFT, which we don't know enough about to even begin to talk about
on an episode here, but maybe eventually we will.
I know it's a scam.
That's what I know.
But the distinction here, it's a legal scam for now.
For now, yes.
It's a legal scam.
It's a good way to put it.
Kind of like taxes.
But I think it's the attitude because the NEETs and associated acronyms can come and
be humble and they can understand that they are to blame or even if they're not to blame,
and circumstances may have throughout whatever may have led them to that.
But they are at least self-aware and they can know.
And then there's a whole other group of them that don't think they did anything wrong or
they feel wronged by let's say people of a different gender or race even or sexual orientation
in them.
And those are the people that have held them down and forced them to live like this.
Absolutely.
It reminds me of the incel movement, which I've always thought was hilarious, involuntarily
sell a bit my ass.
Like, oh, you are a loser.
You don't want to go to the bar or something.
Well, you don't have to go to the bar.
Not always a sugar thing.
No, it's not always a sugar thing.
Which bar you go to.
Yeah, it depends.
But they're not interacting.
They're not doing that to go and interact with people in real life.
Yeah, and a lot of it kind of comes back to something we've talked about almost every
episode is personal responsibility.
And if you're not getting dates or if you're not whatever, maybe give yourself the sniff
check under your armpits.
Take a shower every once in a while.
But I don't want to be, or maybe don't do that because I don't want to be yelled at
for being a cis man telling everybody that they have to shower and smelling good is beautiful.
Because it certainly wasn't probably until what, like the 1910s, 1920s, I think, when
they kind of discovered germs and germ theory and things like that.
Because I mean, if you look at any of the pioneers crossing the plains or you're stuck
on a ship crossing the ocean, you're not showering.
No, you're not.
You have the heavy wool coats and you're walking across with your wagon out to the California
Gold Rush.
You're not showering.
You're just going to take crap, dude.
And kids and women and everybody that was there.
And the oxen probably smelled the best.
I don't know.
Absolutely.
There's a lot of evidence to show that during the Middle Ages people were trying to get
clean.
They wanted to be clean.
That's where...
Yeah.
Well, perfume kind of took off earlier than you might think it would have.
Well, supposedly they had perfume in Roman times.
But there was also a society that bathed daily.
Yes, they enjoyed their Roman baths.
Yes.
Yeah.
So yeah, that's the neat thing.
I find it so fascinating.
I don't get it.
I don't understand why their families don't kick them out of the house.
I mean, I realize they probably end up on the street somewhere.
Well, but some of these needs, they can be very psychologically manipulative.
Oh, yes.
I think we should talk about that a little bit because I don't know, five, 10 years ago,
maybe if you were a social justice warrior, that was a good thing.
You were out there and you were like, I want to make sure everybody has an equal chance
at this or that.
You weren't necessarily the equal outcome, but you were the more equal opportunity.
But in the past, I don't know how many years now, that term has kind of turned into a slur,
like a derogatory...
Oh, absolutely.
...there's another social justice warrior where they just want everyone to forcibly
have equal outcomes and equal everything.
And if something doesn't shake out equally, then it's whatever group they pick, which
is usually white straight men, that are oppressing them.
And they'll even lash out at white straight women or straight people in general, regardless
of color, that are holding them down.
There's another term that I found doing some research on our mutual accretance, but it's
cry-bully.
It's where they cry foul at an offense that they have imagined in their head against somebody
else.
So if you say something that this need to do or whatever, this cry-bully, deems offended
somebody else in the room, then they will launch on a tirade and try and get you to
fall in line because of some offense that they invented in their head, regardless of
if this person took offense or not.
They'll just take offense on their behalf.
And you see this a lot, and there's some news stories where this happens, especially with
themed birthday parties.
So there's one where a young American girl wanted to do a Japanese-themed birthday party,
so the parents set it up for him.
The mom did it for...
They put her in a kimono and all the Japanese things.
And then there were some cry-bullies online that said, hey, this is cultural appropriation.
And so you had, I don't know, a hundred comments from, I don't know, white suburban moms saying,
this is cultural appropriation, this is terrible, blah, blah, blah.
And then if you went all the way to the bottom, there was a Japanese man or somebody that
popped on and said, this isn't cultural appropriation, this is great.
If you love our culture and want to learn more about it, by all means, go for it.
Absolutely.
And we've discussed that before outside of the podcast, where a lot of it's confidence
in your society.
The Japanese people don't need for outsiders to pump up their own culture.
So of course they're very comfortable with people including themselves in it.
The Hmong population in Minnesota is the same way.
When we were growing up, so I'm not sure, you were kind of in a different orbit maybe,
but man, people were talking a lot of smack about the Hmong when I was growing up and
how they were never going to assimilate and how they were the worst thing ever.
And the Hmong gangs were going to do all the stereotypical racist stuff that people say
about...
Yeah, it wasn't so much of that.
We didn't really have much diversity where I grew up, but I do remember some talks with
some adults, not that I was really participating in, but that I was just kind of overhearing
as a child.
Just talking about like mostly the Hmongs will eat anything or they eat the squirrels
in the neighborhood.
But then they were the same people telling me that the Chinese restaurants would take
stray cats and cook them up in their meals.
Oh yes.
They would have the Chinese restaurants and I never really put any stock in that.
No, I definitely remember people saying, talking about how scary the Hmong gangs were.
And now it's like the Hmongs are in the Hmong festival, Hmong New Year, and it's nice, you
know.
They go to those little events, different cultural events.
And most big cities have a Chinatown.
You know, they've got that Irish neighborhood.
And I think a lot of the Chinese, they celebrate the fact that it's Chinatown and you're there
and you can go and experience it because they don't do a whole lot of English.
And I remember my dad and I went to New York for a weekend and we went to Chinatown and
had a Chinese dinner and all they had was chopsticks.
And my dad didn't know how to use chopsticks.
And it's like, well, we're here in Chinatown.
They don't have forks.
You get the chopsticks.
And rightfully so.
Well, yeah.
I mean, it's neat.
You know, like I enjoy that.
Absolutely.
But yeah, a lot of people like to cry, you know, cultural appropriation and it's, well,
how am I supposed to enjoy this culture I'm interested in?
Or am I supposed to learn more about them if every time I try to, I get labeled a cultural
appropriator or a racist or whatever it might be.
Well, it's just like the whole dreadlock.
People trying to say that dreadlocks are only for black people.
Yeah.
There's references to people locking their hair in Europe, going back forever.
Yeah.
Usually for religious reasons.
But nonetheless, it was a known entity in Western culture.
And modern dreadlocks that we have in the States are based off of Rastafarianism.
But that was taken from Indian culture because they have a couple of sects of their religions
that lock their hair as a devotion to Shiva or whatever it is.
I'm not a Hindu, so I'm not savvy on all that.
Stop appropriating Hinduism.
But the Indians, they don't care.
They love it when Westerners went over there.
They went over there for a month and went to all the temples and people were really
excited to talk to me.
So you were there for a month.
Oh, for the wedding.
For the wedding.
Yeah.
Last time you got your hair cut.
It was actually the last time I got my hair cut.
It was for the wedding in 2015, I want to say.
So that was pretty neat then.
Oh, it was very cool.
Yeah, all the temples and people were extremely excited that a big bearded white guy was coming
to their temples.
So in the middle of nowhere, we were in Varanasi, which is in the middle of nowhere.
It's like the holiest city in Hinduism.
But it's not a place where tourists go for the most part.
Yeah, it's off the beaten path.
My buddy's cousins, they had never met a white person before.
And my buddy Jordan and I were kind of like circus animals at their wedding.
Nice.
Yeah, because they had definitely never met two light skinned, bearded, light haired guys.
What white person tricks did you do?
Did you do the khaki shorts and socks with sandals?
Yeah, I did it.
No, I should have.
I wore an ascot.
That was my white guy trick.
You didn't do the fanny pack or the, oh, I think I have a coupon for that.
No, no, I didn't.
Let me talk to your manager at the temple.
No, I had my roll top bag and, you know, very cosmopolitan, I guess.
None of those guys, they actually thought my bag was dirty.
They kept on telling me that my bag was dirty.
And have you seen my roll top?
No.
It's waxed canvas.
Oh, okay.
They're like, oh, it's dirty.
And I'm like, no, it's waterproof.
Because they don't, they just don't have waxed canvas there.
Yeah.
Which is good.
We have our third host is here now, if you couldn't hear her.
Ready for petting.
She is ready for petting.
Well, I'm about halfway through.
Me as well.
I think we're both, we're pretty similar.
Pretty similar there.
And I like it.
I like it.
It's not as good as I remember though.
I don't know.
Maybe I just latched onto the whiskey, you know.
Maybe I like it though.
It's good.
It's more mellow, I guess, than I kind of remember.
Oh, okay.
Oh, I like it.
Yeah, it's good.
It's not a bad stick.
Worth the money I paid for it.
This I got as most of my cigars that I order online, I was getting a part of a sale and
I think I spent like, I don't know, maybe $4 a stick or something like that for these
because I got a big bundle.
Yeah.
But.
Yeah.
Most of the sales you can get, get some pretty good things for, you know, 15 bucks for like
a five pack or something like that.
Yeah.
Some of them are 20.
It all depends.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a good one.
It's not as whiskey-y as I remember.
No.
Well, we're in freaking brandy, so that probably doesn't help either.
Yeah.
I don't want to drink whiskey with a whiskey cigar either.
Probably not.
Who knows?
I'm no expert.
Yep.
I'm no expert either.
Please listen to our podcast about cigars and how we know about them.
But I did, you know, we did place an order each and I put mine in the freezer like we
talked about last episode.
Yep.
And, you know, I guess you have to let them thaw before you try and light them up though.
No, they're resting.
Yeah.
I put them in a separate humidor even just so I would not go in there and touch them.
So they'll be sealed in there for quite a while.
Yeah.
At least another couple of weeks.
But we both enjoy the Bavada bags and I have to tell you a little Bavada bag story.
So I got my humidor that I've had at most consistently the right humidity was part of
the Not A Sponsor Pipe and Cigars intro pack where it's like 49 bucks.
You get the glass top wooden humidor and you get like five cigars.
Ten.
Is it ten?
It was ten.
Ten.
I remember specifically because it was such a good deal.
Ten cigars.
It's a crazy good deal.
We don't have a coupon code for you or anything.
I think they raised it up to 80 now.
Oh, did they?
Yeah, I think so.
It's a good deal.
Even at 80 it's a good deal.
But I tell you what, they came with the instructions on how to condition the humidor.
I followed them exactly and the thing has been rocking 68 to 74%.
I've had this now for almost two years.
And I've never used a Bavada bag.
I just put in some of the humidor juice in the puck and it just sits at that humidity.
And then it was a little high though.
It was like almost 80% humidity last week.
And so I thought, well, I'll just toss a Bavada bag in there because it's a two way thing.
And I tossed a Bavada bag in one of the other ones that's kind of sat around 50 or 60% humidity.
And I checked it the next day and my pipes and cigar humidor was at 90% humidity.
So I'm like, oh my God, I got to get that Bavada bag out of there.
And so I just put two Bavada bags in the other one because that was still at only like 62.
And there are 75, no, I think there are 72% Bavada bags.
Mine are 72.
I'm not sure where you have it.
I have a 72% Bavada bags because I looked and I'm like, this shouldn't be at 80 or 90%
humidity.
But now I put two of them in the other one with the freezer resting cigars.
So I'll have to check when I get back home and see what the humidity is on there.
We'll see.
Your calibration might be off on your, what is that?
Well, the one is, the one's a digital.
It's got digital.
Oh, okay.
Interesting.
It should be fine.
But I did the same process to condition that one and then the one that I got from my mom.
And both of those have just been low, low humidity.
I don't know why.
But the one that I got from my mom had sat in a basement for a long time with nothing
in it.
So maybe it's really dried out.
I don't know.
Well, you could always try the, what are the 84s?
You're supposed to season it.
Oh, okay.
I had to do that.
I would always just put them empty and then just let the humidifier juice kind of permeate
for a couple of weeks.
So I might mess around with it more.
For the longest time, I haven't had enough cigars to warrant even owning three humidors.
But now I've got, I couldn't fit all of them into the one.
So it's nice to have more and it's nicer to have more that are calibrated and not the
right humidity.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Especially the more you collect them.
Yeah.
I need to burn through some of my cigars.
I was going through my big humidor today.
I was like, oh my God.
I got to smoke, I guess.
Well, that's why we started this.
That's a terrible, terrible problem to have.
Yeah.
We had the starter podcast.
So we would both force ourselves to smoke the cigars that we have.
It's a good excuse.
Good excuse as any.
It's a good excuse.
So yeah.
My goodness.
This is actually turning out to be pretty good cigar.
Yeah.
I enjoy it.
Yeah.
I'm just saying it's different than I remember, but not necessarily in a bad way.
Sure.
I don't know that you'd want one overly flavored either.
I mean, we're going to do a flavor test off with the-
The CAO flavors.
Yeah, the CAO flavors.
We're going to do a flavor test off probably over however many flavors they have, how many
episodes it will go over.
I think there's four.
Four?
Okay.
So we'll do a four episode flavored smoke off or something.
We also have the blood red moon to try out and that's- I never had one.
I smoked the pipe tobacco.
Okay.
It's wonderful.
So I was like, well, the cigar, if it's as good as the pipe tobacco, this will be great.
Yeah.
I haven't really done many flavored cigars, except for I think one time I was young and
dumb and really hard up for like a cigar smoke and I did one of the Swisher sweets and it
was gross.
Yeah.
It was gross.
Grape?
Yeah, I think it was grape.
Cough syrup and a stick.
Yeah.
It's- I'm not a fan of the Swishers.
Nope.
My dad smoked wood tips when he went fishing when I was younger.
Okay.
Ick, Ick, Ick.
Not for me, but-
Yep.
My dog is playing with the screen door right now, just so our listeners know.
Sorry, that's our third co-host.
Yeah, our third co-host, Evie.
So well, how was your week?
It's been all right.
A lot of cold in the house.
Our daughter was sick for the first part of the week and then they gave it to me.
So I've been doing the cough syrup, not in the Swisher form, but-
The real stuff.
The other form, but my taste is back.
I might sound a little nasally or congested today, but-
It happens.
Oh, well.
What about you?
No, it's good.
Bowling's over.
We won one league.
The other league was a total disaster.
Bowling state tournament, we ended up in sixth.
Excellent.
At least as of that shift, they're still going on now.
So we might not be in the money at all.
I think they pay the top 30.
Okay.
But you know-
That'd be quite a drop though.
I mean, sixth-
It'd be quite a drop.
I mean, sixth-
it out so I'm sure if we drop probably tell you to let us know yeah you've got
an insider that we do we have an inside man you know but no it was good been
busy like always too busy I'm glad that we're having some weekends off now and
some weekdays off now if Minnesota would warm up I mean you're gonna be hearing
this a couple weeks later but right now it's middle of April and it's just cold
cold cold very cold very cold you haven't really had the spring warm-up yet no no
we had mud but it was like 35 degrees yeah 35 degree mud it's not fun nobody
no even my toddler the dog loves it yeah but she doesn't like that I
wipe her off every time she comes in the house yeah is that why you wiped me off
it's so funny is a the dog loves me he initially loved Sarah yes and then she
switched her affections over to me and now she won't listen to her sometimes
you know funny she gets so mad say well you know I don't have to tell you it's
got to work work on it spend time yep spend time with the dog yeah be patient
spend time yep it's always very similar to a toddler you know right not that
I'm always patient but I try to be patient and actually I don't know if we
talked about this before but I read a lot of books and parenting books are
some of them and I got recommended one and it was written probably in the 80s
and they were talking about disciplining your child and when you should spank your
child and and things like that and so they were like yep whenever your child
forgets basic German Shepherd then you can spank them and I'm like okay so one
you're advocating spanking to you're comparing your child to a German
Shepherd and they're like so basic German Shepherd is sit stay come you know
they didn't include rollover for whatever reason I mean they might as
well have and then they had like this really weird age range that spanking
was appropriate and then they're like well when they're older than this then
spanking doesn't really do anything and it's like well I thought the studies
came out and spanking doesn't do anything anyway except make you like an
asshole well we've got our third co-host and she found a deer leg deer leg I'm
guessing from the deer my nephew shot yes but it does look tasty let me tell
you commercial break well we're back we're back Mike's back from washing his
hands he did not want a venison flavored cigar I did not did you just toss that
on the roof so that I can't get it or yeah we've had the same gut pile since
1994 so she obviously found it and then marked it on her doggy GPS yes and
marked it on her doggy GPS I think that's the third leg she's brought up in
the last two weeks no how many how many legs did you typically have Mike yeah
they have four therefore so you've got one more in your future one more in the
future yeah and she found antlers too she found some sheds I'm guessing right
outside the house because the deer like to hang out here you know during the
wintertime because they know that they're safe but yeah she brought up a
little five pointer okay yeah did both sides use one not just the one yeah it
was a shed you could train her to find him probably probably she really liked
it I can tell you that yeah she was a fan yes
well Mike was gone messing with deer parts I was furiously smoking to try and
eat match his smoke rate so then we'd have about the same amount left when he
came back and it was effective it was it was pretty effective that move was
effective yes yours is a lighter color than mine isn't it slightly that is
slightly later interesting you know do better diesel maybe mine was sun
bleached or something maybe I don't think so though they weren't in that
even though they're really downstairs oh geez yeah all right do we have final
thoughts on needs and NFL t t sure I mean I think that it's funny for an
outsider but I think a lot of it it's a mental health issues and people are
allowing their children to abuse them largely or allowing their children and
grandchildren to continue to be children for much longer than they should be
right yeah you know but you know what like honest honestly you can you can
still be an adult and have an awful lot of fun in life I mean you don't have to
be stuck up and have no fun and work all the time right you can be a fun person
as an adult a lot of a lot of the things that adults have to do aren't fun but
that doesn't mean that you have to also not be fun right and I did I did see
something a tweet or a meme or something I don't really scroll Twitter or
anything but I do look at memes from time to time and one kind of came up
that was interesting and love to hear your thoughts on it okay see what I'm
saying I can do kind of my like sultry radio voice be like hey Mike what's your
thoughts on this I don't know if that was sultry or not but you have to tell
me very sultry very sultry it was something like the depression is a
societal or let me see how I went depression is a society fuck all right
composure so no society is a depression no that wasn't it depression is a
societally acceptable mental health condition okay why would you say that or
why wasn't the point of the meeting I wouldn't have said that well I think it
was just like and maybe you know I don't know and the kind of the way I took it
was like if someone's depressed usually people say they're depressed but they
never really say hey what can I do to help you you know is there anything that
you need I mean it depends on your friend group for sure and depends on who
you're around but I think it was that maybe so many people are depressed that
it's just a fact of life in our society and it's not enough to cause a red flag
perhaps I would agree with that there's one more thing I want to talk to you
about the question is do you want to talk about it this episode or next
episode well from the eagle from the look on your face I'm guessing it's
gonna be next episode okay let's do it next episode we're gonna talk about the
Brooklyn subway shooting oh and I don't know anything about it all right we're
gonna talk about that and we're gonna talk about the world rock-paper-scissors
championship yes and I don't know that sounds wonderful and we're gonna talk
about both those things this is gonna be a little bit shorter episode we're just
gonna wrap up now we're almost done with our cigars we can do our final thoughts
on these cigars and then we'll cut you loose well I think that they started off
pretty harsh yeah I was really disappointed I was like oh no I thought
it was gonna be a long slide yeah do this stick but it turned out to be
pretty good right now we're gonna last two inches and it's it's good yeah
outside of that first half inch I would smoke this way before smoking that Ben
Maduro that we had yes yes this is a nice it's it's a lot lighter I think this
one yes it's it's later and it's got a more complex flavor favor and flavor
profile yes and it's very smooth outside of that first half inch where it was we
both looked at each other like what are we smoking but power through you'll
enjoy it yes don't know don't know that this is still my favorite after
revisiting it well it's not the La Gloria Cubana that is true that was
fantastic I like that even better than the flathead and I like those flatheads
are great yeah that one's the been the favorite one we've smoked so far on the
show I think so yeah yeah so next time we're gonna smoke a tequila cigar
tequila cigar we're gonna talk about the subway shooting and rock-paper-scissors
championship championship alright thanks for listening