1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,000 All right, welcome to Nice Ashes. 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,000 I'm Mike. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,000 I'm Nate. 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,680 And it's rare we're both here in the same space. 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,600 I'm looking right into Mike's eyes. 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,000 And we have another guest. 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,400 Would you like to introduce our third guest? 8 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:24,200 Yes, our third co-host here is my dog, Evie. 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,000 She is probably going to be making noise in the background if she's lovingly chewing on 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,000 a bone. 11 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,000 She will not be partaking in this cigar smoking. 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,000 No, or the whiskey drinking. 13 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Or the beer drinking. 14 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,000 But she is partaking in some doggy delights. 15 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,000 Yes, she is. 16 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,000 What are we smoking today, Mike? 17 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:48,000 These are Diesel Whiskey Rose, which are one of your favorites, I think. 18 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,000 They are, yes. 19 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,000 I quite enjoy these and I'm glad we get to smoke them on our podcast here. 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,000 Absolutely. 21 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,000 Well, light up. 22 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Light up. 23 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:12,000 It is nice to be smoking in Mike's patio instead of out in the wilderness. 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:17,000 Yeah, the 17 degree weather that we've been having, which is miserable. 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,000 That it is. 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:25,000 Well, what are we talking about today as we're smoking these whiskey rose? 27 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,000 Well, I think we were going to talk about NEETs, weren't we? 28 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Yeah. 29 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,000 NEETs are some variation of that acronym. 30 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Some variation. 31 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,000 So, there's a NEET. 32 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:40,000 It's not in education, employment, or training. 33 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,000 And these are people we're talking about. 34 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,000 These are people, yes. 35 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,000 People. 36 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Usually under 30s. 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,000 They're typically referring to under 30s. 38 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Okay. 39 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,000 And there's a second one that's called ENLET. 40 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:59,000 I'm going to look it up here because it's more specific. 41 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,000 Very specific. 42 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,000 They went and dialed it in even closer, huh? 43 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Yes. 44 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 N-L-F-E-T. 45 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,000 And that is not in the labor force education or training. 46 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:17,000 And the NEETs include people who are unemployed, whereas not in the labor force excludes that 47 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,000 number. 48 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,000 And so, let's clear this up right now. 49 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Unemployed is you don't have a job, but you're actively looking for one? 50 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,000 That's correct. 51 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Okay. 52 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,000 And then not in the labor force is you don't have a job and you're not looking for one. 53 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,000 You're not looking for one. 54 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,000 Okay. 55 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:38,320 Because I remember back in, I don't know, well, they're doing it now even with the great 56 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:43,000 resignation and they'll say like the unemployment numbers are dropping, dropping, dropping. 57 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,000 But that could be because people are just giving up too. 58 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,320 And that was kind of back in 2008 in that economic downturn. 59 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:56,960 There was some concern that maybe the numbers were being, the unemployment rate was being 60 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:02,000 artificially lowered because they weren't including people that just kind of gave up. 61 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Yes. 62 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,000 That was the same case in 2009, 2008, I think. 63 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,000 Yeah, that's what I said. 64 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,000 Listen. 65 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,000 I was looking it up by my research. 66 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,000 I know. 67 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,000 I was giving Mike some grief here. 68 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,000 Yup, yup. 69 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Yup. 70 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:22,000 So we have a map here of NEETs and where they're located. 71 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:28,480 And it's pretty interesting because in the West, we've been propagandized to believe 72 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,920 that this population is a problem, right? 73 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:32,920 Which population? 74 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:38,260 Well, our population, the NEET population, that the lazy man-child's living in his mother's 75 00:03:38,260 --> 00:03:42,000 basement is somehow like a phenomenon. 76 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,520 Okay. 77 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:50,520 And realistically, if you look at the numbers, which you can look right here, the little 78 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:51,520 graph. 79 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,520 And Mike's holding this up to the microphone so you can hopefully see it as well. 80 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:55,520 Yes, I am. 81 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:56,520 I am. 82 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,920 But the United States and the Western world does not have that much of a population of 83 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:00,920 these NEETs. 84 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:01,920 Okay. 85 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:02,920 Not by comparison to... 86 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,960 Yeah, it looks like Africa and then China. 87 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:06,960 Africa and China, yeah. 88 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,880 Have kind of the higher densities there. 89 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:09,880 Which is crazy. 90 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,960 You wouldn't think that China would be the place where they had a bunch of people not 91 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,600 working and doing anything at all. 92 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,320 Would this discount politicians and oligarchs? 93 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:18,320 They should. 94 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,840 They should. 95 00:04:21,840 --> 00:04:27,200 But I really enjoy it because we all know people that are NEETs, as they would say. 96 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,200 They're N-L-E-F-E-T. 97 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:34,280 For as low as the population density is, chances are you know at least one. 98 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:35,280 Absolutely. 99 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:36,280 Absolutely. 100 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:40,640 And according to the stats, the United States has maybe 7% of the adult population in this 101 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:41,800 category. 102 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,320 Which is not good. 103 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:45,320 But it's not really... 104 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:46,320 I don't know. 105 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,360 I wouldn't consider it an act of phenomenon that's going to cause a problem. 106 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,680 Eventually these people will have to find jobs. 107 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:54,680 Perhaps. 108 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:55,680 Perhaps. 109 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:56,680 Perhaps. 110 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:03,160 So how does the typical NEET or N-F-L-E-T live then? 111 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,680 How do they not starve and die of exposure? 112 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:07,680 See? 113 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:08,680 And that's the thing. 114 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,000 Is that what we're talking about. 115 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,560 These people, even though they're not a huge percentage of the population, they're not 116 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:15,920 really a problem. 117 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,200 They're living off their family members. 118 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,000 Because you can't just survive without... 119 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:27,400 So this could be the 30 something gamer man living in his parents basement. 120 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,400 Absolutely. 121 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:29,400 Absolutely. 122 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,920 It also includes 19 year olds. 123 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:37,880 And in the UK they consider 16 year olds all the way down there because they're in their 124 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:38,880 employment numbers. 125 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:39,880 Okay. 126 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:40,880 Yep. 127 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:47,640 Japan actually has a kind of a subculture of neatness. 128 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:48,640 It's really weird. 129 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,680 They have a lot of interesting subcultures over there. 130 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:52,680 They do. 131 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,400 Like the... what are they? 132 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,800 The waifu pillows or whatever they are? 133 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:57,800 The waifu pillows. 134 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:58,800 Yeah, waifu pillows. 135 00:05:58,800 --> 00:05:59,800 Whatever that is. 136 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,800 It's a pillow that's supposed to be like your wife. 137 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:08,480 I haven't met one of those yet. 138 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:09,480 Even the MyPillow guy. 139 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,520 Oh yeah, MyPillow guy. 140 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:12,520 Oh my god. 141 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:13,520 Michael Lennel. 142 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,000 I don't know how he sells pillows. 143 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:21,480 He's just not the kind of person I want to imagine when I'm laying down. 144 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,320 He's a character in half. 145 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,880 So we're about half an inch in. 146 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,000 What are we thinking? 147 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,000 It's good. 148 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,000 A little harsh. 149 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,000 Yeah. 150 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,000 You know what? 151 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,000 When you said, oh, this is one of your favorites. 152 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,200 And I'm like, this does not taste how I recollected. 153 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:39,200 Yeah. 154 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,200 And it's... 155 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,480 They've been in my humidor for a couple of months. 156 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:43,960 So it's not that. 157 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,760 They're nice and soft, but they're definitely a little... 158 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:48,760 Yeah. 159 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:49,760 It's quite a bit harsher. 160 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:55,120 And I remember the last time, and maybe this is just false memories, but I thought that 161 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,120 it had a whiskey kind of flavor to it. 162 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,240 And I'm not really getting that from this one. 163 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:03,960 So yeah, I don't know what's going on. 164 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,760 I'm not getting a whiskey flavor from it either. 165 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,840 And I'm getting good puffs out of it. 166 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,920 But like you said, it's a bit harsh right now. 167 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,640 It definitely is. 168 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:16,640 The ash is good though. 169 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:17,640 Yeah, it is good. 170 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:18,640 Look at the ash. 171 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:19,960 I'll hold mine up to the mic here. 172 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:20,960 Yup. 173 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:21,960 You can see it. 174 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:22,960 You can see it. 175 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:23,960 All right, carry on. 176 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:24,960 So they've got a... 177 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,960 Japan has an interesting, neat subculture. 178 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:28,960 Yes. 179 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,960 Yes, they do. 180 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:42,000 Apparently, there's a subculture that rejects adulthood, and they just kind of live off their 181 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,840 parents. 182 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,760 And it's interesting. 183 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,920 It's kind of a fight against their gray man. 184 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,400 You know, the corporate corporatist in the gray suit. 185 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,280 We grew up with that sort of imagery. 186 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,000 They have that there as well. 187 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,640 And it's viewed as these young people who are educated for the most part, just don't 188 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,360 want to participate in Japanese labor. 189 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:12,840 Which I guess probably has a lot to do with the fact that they work so many hours. 190 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:13,840 Yeah. 191 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,560 Well, we kind of do here too. 192 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:26,480 You know, it seems our societal drive or normalcy is, you know, if you work 60 plus hours a 193 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:33,680 week and get no sleep and devote your entire life to your job, then somehow your company 194 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:35,440 will look out for you. 195 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:42,520 And I think ever since 2008 and beyond, that just doesn't happen anymore. 196 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,040 Our parents had pensions. 197 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,360 They stayed with one company for their whole lives. 198 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:55,240 And now I think the average, last time I checked, several years ago now, but it was like the 199 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,200 average person has maybe eight to 15 different careers. 200 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,960 Like, it's not a career, but different jobs. 201 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,840 Because the way of the career is kind of dying in our culture. 202 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:06,840 Oh, for certain. 203 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:12,760 And I've worked for a number of employers ranging from restaurants to school districts. 204 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,280 You know, I've had a lot of different jobs. 205 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,520 Like job I have now is actually the longest one I've ever had in four years. 206 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:20,520 Yeah. 207 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:21,520 That's kind of scary. 208 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:22,520 Mine too. 209 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:23,520 I'm coming up on seven. 210 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:24,520 Holy smokes. 211 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:25,520 Yeah, I'm over four. 212 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,520 And it's like, wow, I've never been anywhere. 213 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:34,800 I know, I'm getting like the fight or flight, you know, like I gotta get out. 214 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:40,320 I worked for one company for three years before this, and I really liked working for them. 215 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:45,360 I enjoyed my job too, don't get me wrong. 216 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,880 It's definitely interesting. 217 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,800 I've never been in NEET though, I don't think. 218 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:58,160 I've always been in, even since I was 15, I've been either employed or in college or something. 219 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:03,160 Yeah, me as well. 220 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:08,000 Ever since graduating college, I'd go back and live with my parents over the summers. 221 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:14,320 But ever since graduating college, I haven't been unemployed. 222 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:20,280 I was unemployed for a little bit, for like two weeks in between jobs once. 223 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,440 I've been unemployed when I was doing construction. 224 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,760 Didn't run back and live with the parents there. 225 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:26,760 No, no. 226 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,760 When I was unemployed doing construction, I was ice fishing and I was enjoying being 227 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:32,760 unemployed. 228 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:37,160 It was kind of like a vacation between working 70 hours a week and working 70 hours a week 229 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:38,160 again. 230 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:43,920 And even then I was still in education, because I'm pretty sure I was still, when I was last 231 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,720 time I was unemployed, I was still in trade school. 232 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:52,440 So now I'm about an inch in and I think it's mellowed considerably. 233 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:53,440 I agree. 234 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,400 It's starting to really round out. 235 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,360 Yeah, that first half inch man was not- 236 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,900 The mighty first half inch. 237 00:11:03,900 --> 00:11:08,200 So there's a story behind why we're talking about NEETs. 238 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:14,160 And it happened a couple months ago, we were talking about someone that we both know. 239 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,560 A mutual acquaintance. 240 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:23,280 A mutual acquaintance who through faults of their own found themselves to be unemployed 241 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:30,560 and not in education, not in training and wallowing in their own self pity. 242 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:34,640 More or less, yes. 243 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,080 More or less, yes, yes, yes. 244 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,600 Which it happens. 245 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:39,600 It happens. 246 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:40,600 It happens. 247 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:41,600 It's interesting. 248 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:51,520 I think it's all about the attitude and you could be a NEET or whatever the other acronym 249 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,520 is. 250 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,520 N-L-F-E-T. 251 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,600 Not to be confused with an NFT, which we don't know enough about to even begin to talk about 252 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,760 on an episode here, but maybe eventually we will. 253 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:02,760 I know it's a scam. 254 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,400 That's what I know. 255 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,880 But the distinction here, it's a legal scam for now. 256 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:09,880 For now, yes. 257 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:10,880 It's a legal scam. 258 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,880 It's a good way to put it. 259 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,600 Kind of like taxes. 260 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:26,720 But I think it's the attitude because the NEETs and associated acronyms can come and 261 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:33,600 be humble and they can understand that they are to blame or even if they're not to blame, 262 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:38,760 and circumstances may have throughout whatever may have led them to that. 263 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,440 But they are at least self-aware and they can know. 264 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:47,960 And then there's a whole other group of them that don't think they did anything wrong or 265 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:57,280 they feel wronged by let's say people of a different gender or race even or sexual orientation 266 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:58,280 in them. 267 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:03,160 And those are the people that have held them down and forced them to live like this. 268 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:04,160 Absolutely. 269 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:10,280 It reminds me of the incel movement, which I've always thought was hilarious, involuntarily 270 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,280 sell a bit my ass. 271 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,080 Like, oh, you are a loser. 272 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,160 You don't want to go to the bar or something. 273 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:24,320 Well, you don't have to go to the bar. 274 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:25,320 Not always a sugar thing. 275 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:26,320 No, it's not always a sugar thing. 276 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:27,320 Which bar you go to. 277 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:28,320 Yeah, it depends. 278 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:29,320 But they're not interacting. 279 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,080 They're not doing that to go and interact with people in real life. 280 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,560 Yeah, and a lot of it kind of comes back to something we've talked about almost every 281 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:37,480 episode is personal responsibility. 282 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:44,480 And if you're not getting dates or if you're not whatever, maybe give yourself the sniff 283 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,520 check under your armpits. 284 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,520 Take a shower every once in a while. 285 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,640 But I don't want to be, or maybe don't do that because I don't want to be yelled at 286 00:13:54,640 --> 00:14:01,200 for being a cis man telling everybody that they have to shower and smelling good is beautiful. 287 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:08,960 Because it certainly wasn't probably until what, like the 1910s, 1920s, I think, when 288 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,000 they kind of discovered germs and germ theory and things like that. 289 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:18,720 Because I mean, if you look at any of the pioneers crossing the plains or you're stuck 290 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,440 on a ship crossing the ocean, you're not showering. 291 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:23,600 No, you're not. 292 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:28,220 You have the heavy wool coats and you're walking across with your wagon out to the California 293 00:14:28,220 --> 00:14:29,220 Gold Rush. 294 00:14:29,220 --> 00:14:30,220 You're not showering. 295 00:14:30,220 --> 00:14:32,960 You're just going to take crap, dude. 296 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,400 And kids and women and everybody that was there. 297 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,680 And the oxen probably smelled the best. 298 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:37,680 I don't know. 299 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:38,680 Absolutely. 300 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,560 There's a lot of evidence to show that during the Middle Ages people were trying to get 301 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:44,560 clean. 302 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:45,560 They wanted to be clean. 303 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:46,560 That's where... 304 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:47,560 Yeah. 305 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:52,800 Well, perfume kind of took off earlier than you might think it would have. 306 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,000 Well, supposedly they had perfume in Roman times. 307 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,800 But there was also a society that bathed daily. 308 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,480 Yes, they enjoyed their Roman baths. 309 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:02,480 Yes. 310 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:03,480 Yeah. 311 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,160 So yeah, that's the neat thing. 312 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,320 I find it so fascinating. 313 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:10,320 I don't get it. 314 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,440 I don't understand why their families don't kick them out of the house. 315 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,280 I mean, I realize they probably end up on the street somewhere. 316 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,640 Well, but some of these needs, they can be very psychologically manipulative. 317 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:22,640 Oh, yes. 318 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:29,520 I think we should talk about that a little bit because I don't know, five, 10 years ago, 319 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,800 maybe if you were a social justice warrior, that was a good thing. 320 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,060 You were out there and you were like, I want to make sure everybody has an equal chance 321 00:15:38,060 --> 00:15:39,280 at this or that. 322 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:45,080 You weren't necessarily the equal outcome, but you were the more equal opportunity. 323 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:50,560 But in the past, I don't know how many years now, that term has kind of turned into a slur, 324 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,560 like a derogatory... 325 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:52,560 Oh, absolutely. 326 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:57,000 ...there's another social justice warrior where they just want everyone to forcibly 327 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,880 have equal outcomes and equal everything. 328 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:06,840 And if something doesn't shake out equally, then it's whatever group they pick, which 329 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,360 is usually white straight men, that are oppressing them. 330 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,620 And they'll even lash out at white straight women or straight people in general, regardless 331 00:16:14,620 --> 00:16:19,160 of color, that are holding them down. 332 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:25,480 There's another term that I found doing some research on our mutual accretance, but it's 333 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:26,600 cry-bully. 334 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:33,560 It's where they cry foul at an offense that they have imagined in their head against somebody 335 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:34,880 else. 336 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:41,600 So if you say something that this need to do or whatever, this cry-bully, deems offended 337 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:47,400 somebody else in the room, then they will launch on a tirade and try and get you to 338 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:53,720 fall in line because of some offense that they invented in their head, regardless of 339 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,480 if this person took offense or not. 340 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,880 They'll just take offense on their behalf. 341 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:05,560 And you see this a lot, and there's some news stories where this happens, especially with 342 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,640 themed birthday parties. 343 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:14,400 So there's one where a young American girl wanted to do a Japanese-themed birthday party, 344 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,320 so the parents set it up for him. 345 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,000 The mom did it for... 346 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:27,840 They put her in a kimono and all the Japanese things. 347 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:33,800 And then there were some cry-bullies online that said, hey, this is cultural appropriation. 348 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:38,880 And so you had, I don't know, a hundred comments from, I don't know, white suburban moms saying, 349 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,600 this is cultural appropriation, this is terrible, blah, blah, blah. 350 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,860 And then if you went all the way to the bottom, there was a Japanese man or somebody that 351 00:17:45,860 --> 00:17:49,520 popped on and said, this isn't cultural appropriation, this is great. 352 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:54,680 If you love our culture and want to learn more about it, by all means, go for it. 353 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,400 Absolutely. 354 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:02,720 And we've discussed that before outside of the podcast, where a lot of it's confidence 355 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,400 in your society. 356 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:12,520 The Japanese people don't need for outsiders to pump up their own culture. 357 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:18,200 So of course they're very comfortable with people including themselves in it. 358 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,880 The Hmong population in Minnesota is the same way. 359 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,640 When we were growing up, so I'm not sure, you were kind of in a different orbit maybe, 360 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,440 but man, people were talking a lot of smack about the Hmong when I was growing up and 361 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,160 how they were never going to assimilate and how they were the worst thing ever. 362 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,680 And the Hmong gangs were going to do all the stereotypical racist stuff that people say 363 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:39,680 about... 364 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:44,120 Yeah, it wasn't so much of that. 365 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:50,200 We didn't really have much diversity where I grew up, but I do remember some talks with 366 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,200 some adults, not that I was really participating in, but that I was just kind of overhearing 367 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,200 as a child. 368 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:00,240 Just talking about like mostly the Hmongs will eat anything or they eat the squirrels 369 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,240 in the neighborhood. 370 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,040 But then they were the same people telling me that the Chinese restaurants would take 371 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,160 stray cats and cook them up in their meals. 372 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,160 Oh yes. 373 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,560 They would have the Chinese restaurants and I never really put any stock in that. 374 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:19,120 No, I definitely remember people saying, talking about how scary the Hmong gangs were. 375 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:25,720 And now it's like the Hmongs are in the Hmong festival, Hmong New Year, and it's nice, you 376 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:26,720 know. 377 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,280 They go to those little events, different cultural events. 378 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:31,760 And most big cities have a Chinatown. 379 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:38,920 You know, they've got that Irish neighborhood. 380 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,000 And I think a lot of the Chinese, they celebrate the fact that it's Chinatown and you're there 381 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,680 and you can go and experience it because they don't do a whole lot of English. 382 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:55,240 And I remember my dad and I went to New York for a weekend and we went to Chinatown and 383 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,800 had a Chinese dinner and all they had was chopsticks. 384 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,400 And my dad didn't know how to use chopsticks. 385 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,040 And it's like, well, we're here in Chinatown. 386 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,040 They don't have forks. 387 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,040 You get the chopsticks. 388 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,040 And rightfully so. 389 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,040 Well, yeah. 390 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:11,040 I mean, it's neat. 391 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,640 You know, like I enjoy that. 392 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:13,640 Absolutely. 393 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,520 But yeah, a lot of people like to cry, you know, cultural appropriation and it's, well, 394 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,040 how am I supposed to enjoy this culture I'm interested in? 395 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:25,680 Or am I supposed to learn more about them if every time I try to, I get labeled a cultural 396 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,280 appropriator or a racist or whatever it might be. 397 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,960 Well, it's just like the whole dreadlock. 398 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,760 People trying to say that dreadlocks are only for black people. 399 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:36,760 Yeah. 400 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,920 There's references to people locking their hair in Europe, going back forever. 401 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:41,920 Yeah. 402 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,440 Usually for religious reasons. 403 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,920 But nonetheless, it was a known entity in Western culture. 404 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:54,880 And modern dreadlocks that we have in the States are based off of Rastafarianism. 405 00:20:54,880 --> 00:21:00,960 But that was taken from Indian culture because they have a couple of sects of their religions 406 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,840 that lock their hair as a devotion to Shiva or whatever it is. 407 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,520 I'm not a Hindu, so I'm not savvy on all that. 408 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,520 Stop appropriating Hinduism. 409 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,400 But the Indians, they don't care. 410 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,320 They love it when Westerners went over there. 411 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,960 They went over there for a month and went to all the temples and people were really 412 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,760 excited to talk to me. 413 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,120 So you were there for a month. 414 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:26,120 Oh, for the wedding. 415 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:27,120 For the wedding. 416 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:28,120 Yeah. 417 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:29,120 Last time you got your hair cut. 418 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:31,040 It was actually the last time I got my hair cut. 419 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,520 It was for the wedding in 2015, I want to say. 420 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,160 So that was pretty neat then. 421 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,720 Oh, it was very cool. 422 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:48,400 Yeah, all the temples and people were extremely excited that a big bearded white guy was coming 423 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,400 to their temples. 424 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,920 So in the middle of nowhere, we were in Varanasi, which is in the middle of nowhere. 425 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,120 It's like the holiest city in Hinduism. 426 00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:59,440 But it's not a place where tourists go for the most part. 427 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,920 Yeah, it's off the beaten path. 428 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,080 My buddy's cousins, they had never met a white person before. 429 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:11,200 And my buddy Jordan and I were kind of like circus animals at their wedding. 430 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,200 Nice. 431 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:20,160 Yeah, because they had definitely never met two light skinned, bearded, light haired guys. 432 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,520 What white person tricks did you do? 433 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,320 Did you do the khaki shorts and socks with sandals? 434 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,760 Yeah, I did it. 435 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,560 No, I should have. 436 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:28,560 I wore an ascot. 437 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,840 That was my white guy trick. 438 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,080 You didn't do the fanny pack or the, oh, I think I have a coupon for that. 439 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,080 No, no, I didn't. 440 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,080 Let me talk to your manager at the temple. 441 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:46,080 No, I had my roll top bag and, you know, very cosmopolitan, I guess. 442 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,320 None of those guys, they actually thought my bag was dirty. 443 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,360 They kept on telling me that my bag was dirty. 444 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:52,720 And have you seen my roll top? 445 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:53,720 No. 446 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:54,720 It's waxed canvas. 447 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:55,720 Oh, okay. 448 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:56,720 They're like, oh, it's dirty. 449 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:57,720 And I'm like, no, it's waterproof. 450 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:04,480 Because they don't, they just don't have waxed canvas there. 451 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,480 Yeah. 452 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,480 Yeah. 453 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,080 Which is good. 454 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,640 We have our third host is here now, if you couldn't hear her. 455 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:13,640 Ready for petting. 456 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,640 She is ready for petting. 457 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,280 Well, I'm about halfway through. 458 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,280 Me as well. 459 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,920 I think we're both, we're pretty similar. 460 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:25,920 Pretty similar there. 461 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,080 And I like it. 462 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,080 I like it. 463 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,680 It's not as good as I remember though. 464 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:30,680 I don't know. 465 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,000 Maybe I just latched onto the whiskey, you know. 466 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,720 Maybe I like it though. 467 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:36,720 It's good. 468 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:37,720 It's good. 469 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,720 It's more mellow, I guess, than I kind of remember. 470 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:41,720 Oh, okay. 471 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,720 Oh, I like it. 472 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,120 Yeah, it's good. 473 00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:48,120 It's not a bad stick. 474 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:51,320 Worth the money I paid for it. 475 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:56,280 This I got as most of my cigars that I order online, I was getting a part of a sale and 476 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,000 I think I spent like, I don't know, maybe $4 a stick or something like that for these 477 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,800 because I got a big bundle. 478 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:03,800 Yeah. 479 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,800 But. 480 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:05,800 Yeah. 481 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,000 Most of the sales you can get, get some pretty good things for, you know, 15 bucks for like 482 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000 a five pack or something like that. 483 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,000 Yeah. 484 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,000 Some of them are 20. 485 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,000 It all depends. 486 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,000 Yeah. 487 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,640 Yeah, it's a good one. 488 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,040 It's not as whiskey-y as I remember. 489 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,040 No. 490 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,040 Well, we're in freaking brandy, so that probably doesn't help either. 491 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,040 Yeah. 492 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,640 I don't want to drink whiskey with a whiskey cigar either. 493 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:29,640 Probably not. 494 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:30,640 Probably not. 495 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:31,640 Who knows? 496 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:32,640 I'm no expert. 497 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:33,640 Yep. 498 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,640 I'm no expert either. 499 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,720 Please listen to our podcast about cigars and how we know about them. 500 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:45,080 But I did, you know, we did place an order each and I put mine in the freezer like we 501 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,080 talked about last episode. 502 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,080 Yep. 503 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:54,600 And, you know, I guess you have to let them thaw before you try and light them up though. 504 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,240 No, they're resting. 505 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,240 Yeah. 506 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:06,120 I put them in a separate humidor even just so I would not go in there and touch them. 507 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:09,680 So they'll be sealed in there for quite a while. 508 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:10,680 Yeah. 509 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:11,680 At least another couple of weeks. 510 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:18,480 But we both enjoy the Bavada bags and I have to tell you a little Bavada bag story. 511 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:25,200 So I got my humidor that I've had at most consistently the right humidity was part of 512 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,640 the Not A Sponsor Pipe and Cigars intro pack where it's like 49 bucks. 513 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,080 You get the glass top wooden humidor and you get like five cigars. 514 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,080 Ten. 515 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,080 Is it ten? 516 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,080 It was ten. 517 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,080 Ten. 518 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,080 I remember specifically because it was such a good deal. 519 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,080 Ten cigars. 520 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,520 It's a crazy good deal. 521 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,040 We don't have a coupon code for you or anything. 522 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,520 I think they raised it up to 80 now. 523 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,520 Oh, did they? 524 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,520 Yeah, I think so. 525 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:48,520 It's a good deal. 526 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:49,520 Even at 80 it's a good deal. 527 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:50,520 Even at 80 it's a good deal. 528 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,160 But I tell you what, they came with the instructions on how to condition the humidor. 529 00:25:54,160 --> 00:26:01,080 I followed them exactly and the thing has been rocking 68 to 74%. 530 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,080 I've had this now for almost two years. 531 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,320 And I've never used a Bavada bag. 532 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:12,360 I just put in some of the humidor juice in the puck and it just sits at that humidity. 533 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:14,320 And then it was a little high though. 534 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:19,160 It was like almost 80% humidity last week. 535 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,080 And so I thought, well, I'll just toss a Bavada bag in there because it's a two way thing. 536 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:30,760 And I tossed a Bavada bag in one of the other ones that's kind of sat around 50 or 60% humidity. 537 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:37,080 And I checked it the next day and my pipes and cigar humidor was at 90% humidity. 538 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,640 So I'm like, oh my God, I got to get that Bavada bag out of there. 539 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,920 And so I just put two Bavada bags in the other one because that was still at only like 62. 540 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,200 And there are 75, no, I think there are 72% Bavada bags. 541 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,200 Mine are 72. 542 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,200 I'm not sure where you have it. 543 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:56,360 I have a 72% Bavada bags because I looked and I'm like, this shouldn't be at 80 or 90% 544 00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:57,360 humidity. 545 00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:00,960 But now I put two of them in the other one with the freezer resting cigars. 546 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:06,160 So I'll have to check when I get back home and see what the humidity is on there. 547 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,160 We'll see. 548 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,360 Your calibration might be off on your, what is that? 549 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:13,040 Well, the one is, the one's a digital. 550 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,040 It's got digital. 551 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,040 Oh, okay. 552 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,040 Interesting. 553 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,040 It should be fine. 554 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:23,480 But I did the same process to condition that one and then the one that I got from my mom. 555 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,320 And both of those have just been low, low humidity. 556 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,000 I don't know why. 557 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,920 But the one that I got from my mom had sat in a basement for a long time with nothing 558 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:32,920 in it. 559 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,520 So maybe it's really dried out. 560 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:36,520 I don't know. 561 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,640 Well, you could always try the, what are the 84s? 562 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,120 You're supposed to season it. 563 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:42,120 Oh, okay. 564 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:43,120 I had to do that. 565 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:48,520 I would always just put them empty and then just let the humidifier juice kind of permeate 566 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,680 for a couple of weeks. 567 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,440 So I might mess around with it more. 568 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:59,280 For the longest time, I haven't had enough cigars to warrant even owning three humidors. 569 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,400 But now I've got, I couldn't fit all of them into the one. 570 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:09,360 So it's nice to have more and it's nicer to have more that are calibrated and not the 571 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:10,360 right humidity. 572 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:11,360 Absolutely. 573 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:12,360 Yeah. 574 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:14,360 Especially the more you collect them. 575 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:15,360 Yeah. 576 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,360 I need to burn through some of my cigars. 577 00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:18,880 I was going through my big humidor today. 578 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,120 I was like, oh my God. 579 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:22,800 I got to smoke, I guess. 580 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,560 Well, that's why we started this. 581 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,560 That's a terrible, terrible problem to have. 582 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:28,560 Yeah. 583 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,560 We had the starter podcast. 584 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,320 So we would both force ourselves to smoke the cigars that we have. 585 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,320 It's a good excuse. 586 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,280 Good excuse as any. 587 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,160 It's a good excuse. 588 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,160 So yeah. 589 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,160 My goodness. 590 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,160 This is actually turning out to be pretty good cigar. 591 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,160 Yeah. 592 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,160 I enjoy it. 593 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,160 Yeah. 594 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:54,160 I'm just saying it's different than I remember, but not necessarily in a bad way. 595 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,160 Sure. 596 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,160 I don't know that you'd want one overly flavored either. 597 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,160 I mean, we're going to do a flavor test off with the- 598 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,160 The CAO flavors. 599 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,160 Yeah, the CAO flavors. 600 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:09,120 We're going to do a flavor test off probably over however many flavors they have, how many 601 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,360 episodes it will go over. 602 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,360 I think there's four. 603 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,360 Four? 604 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,360 Okay. 605 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:19,600 So we'll do a four episode flavored smoke off or something. 606 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,000 We also have the blood red moon to try out and that's- I never had one. 607 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,720 I smoked the pipe tobacco. 608 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:26,720 Okay. 609 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:27,720 It's wonderful. 610 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,960 So I was like, well, the cigar, if it's as good as the pipe tobacco, this will be great. 611 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:32,960 Yeah. 612 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:40,120 I haven't really done many flavored cigars, except for I think one time I was young and 613 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,960 dumb and really hard up for like a cigar smoke and I did one of the Swisher sweets and it 614 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:44,960 was gross. 615 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,960 Yeah. 616 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:46,960 It was gross. 617 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,960 Grape? 618 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:48,960 Yeah, I think it was grape. 619 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,960 Cough syrup and a stick. 620 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:51,960 Yeah. 621 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,960 It's- I'm not a fan of the Swishers. 622 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:54,960 Nope. 623 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,960 My dad smoked wood tips when he went fishing when I was younger. 624 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:58,960 Okay. 625 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,280 Ick, Ick, Ick. 626 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,280 Not for me, but- 627 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,280 Yep. 628 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:16,680 My dog is playing with the screen door right now, just so our listeners know. 629 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,960 Sorry, that's our third co-host. 630 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:25,360 Yeah, our third co-host, Evie. 631 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,560 So well, how was your week? 632 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,160 It's been all right. 633 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,560 A lot of cold in the house. 634 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:41,080 Our daughter was sick for the first part of the week and then they gave it to me. 635 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,400 So I've been doing the cough syrup, not in the Swisher form, but- 636 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,400 The real stuff. 637 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,800 The other form, but my taste is back. 638 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:54,320 I might sound a little nasally or congested today, but- 639 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,320 It happens. 640 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,320 Oh, well. 641 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,320 What about you? 642 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,320 No, it's good. 643 00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,320 Bowling's over. 644 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,320 We won one league. 645 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,320 The other league was a total disaster. 646 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,320 Bowling state tournament, we ended up in sixth. 647 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,320 Excellent. 648 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,320 At least as of that shift, they're still going on now. 649 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,320 So we might not be in the money at all. 650 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,320 I think they pay the top 30. 651 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,320 Okay. 652 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,320 But you know- 653 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,320 That'd be quite a drop though. 654 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,320 I mean, sixth- 655 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,320 It'd be quite a drop. 656 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,320 I mean, sixth- 657 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,320 I mean, sixth- 658 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,320 I mean, sixth- 659 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,320 I mean, sixth- 660 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,320 I mean, sixth- 661 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,320 I mean, sixth- 662 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,320 I mean, sixth- 663 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,320 I mean, sixth- 664 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,320 I mean, sixth- 665 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,320 I mean, sixth- 666 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,320 I mean, sixth- 667 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,320 I mean, sixth- 668 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,320 I mean, sixth- 669 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:39,240 I mean, sixth- 670 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,720 it out so I'm sure if we drop probably tell you to let us know yeah you've got 671 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:50,920 an insider that we do we have an inside man you know but no it was good been 672 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:57,320 busy like always too busy I'm glad that we're having some weekends off now and 673 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:02,720 some weekdays off now if Minnesota would warm up I mean you're gonna be hearing 674 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:08,680 this a couple weeks later but right now it's middle of April and it's just cold 675 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:16,560 cold cold very cold very cold you haven't really had the spring warm-up yet no no 676 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:22,200 we had mud but it was like 35 degrees yeah 35 degree mud it's not fun nobody 677 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:30,040 no even my toddler the dog loves it yeah but she doesn't like that I 678 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:39,680 wipe her off every time she comes in the house yeah is that why you wiped me off 679 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:49,080 it's so funny is a the dog loves me he initially loved Sarah yes and then she 680 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,600 switched her affections over to me and now she won't listen to her sometimes 681 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,320 you know funny she gets so mad say well you know I don't have to tell you it's 682 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:04,800 got to work work on it spend time yep spend time with the dog yeah be patient 683 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:13,240 spend time yep it's always very similar to a toddler you know right not that 684 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,280 I'm always patient but I try to be patient and actually I don't know if we 685 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:23,800 talked about this before but I read a lot of books and parenting books are 686 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:29,600 some of them and I got recommended one and it was written probably in the 80s 687 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:35,080 and they were talking about disciplining your child and when you should spank your 688 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,640 child and and things like that and so they were like yep whenever your child 689 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:45,400 forgets basic German Shepherd then you can spank them and I'm like okay so one 690 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,240 you're advocating spanking to you're comparing your child to a German 691 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:57,200 Shepherd and they're like so basic German Shepherd is sit stay come you know 692 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,520 they didn't include rollover for whatever reason I mean they might as 693 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,920 well have and then they had like this really weird age range that spanking 694 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,120 was appropriate and then they're like well when they're older than this then 695 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:14,860 spanking doesn't really do anything and it's like well I thought the studies 696 00:34:14,860 --> 00:34:18,600 came out and spanking doesn't do anything anyway except make you like an 697 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:28,880 asshole well we've got our third co-host and she found a deer leg deer leg I'm 698 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:34,720 guessing from the deer my nephew shot yes but it does look tasty let me tell 699 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:44,340 you commercial break well we're back we're back Mike's back from washing his 700 00:34:44,340 --> 00:34:50,640 hands he did not want a venison flavored cigar I did not did you just toss that 701 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:57,640 on the roof so that I can't get it or yeah we've had the same gut pile since 702 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:05,540 1994 so she obviously found it and then marked it on her doggy GPS yes and 703 00:35:05,540 --> 00:35:08,920 marked it on her doggy GPS I think that's the third leg she's brought up in 704 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,680 the last two weeks no how many how many legs did you typically have Mike yeah 705 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,280 they have four therefore so you've got one more in your future one more in the 706 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,440 future yeah and she found antlers too she found some sheds I'm guessing right 707 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,880 outside the house because the deer like to hang out here you know during the 708 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,920 wintertime because they know that they're safe but yeah she brought up a 709 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:36,560 little five pointer okay yeah did both sides use one not just the one yeah it 710 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,680 was a shed you could train her to find him probably probably she really liked 711 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,520 it I can tell you that yeah she was a fan yes 712 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,400 well Mike was gone messing with deer parts I was furiously smoking to try and 713 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,080 eat match his smoke rate so then we'd have about the same amount left when he 714 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,600 came back and it was effective it was it was pretty effective that move was 715 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,920 effective yes yours is a lighter color than mine isn't it slightly that is 716 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:15,720 slightly later interesting you know do better diesel maybe mine was sun 717 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:21,240 bleached or something maybe I don't think so though they weren't in that 718 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:29,440 even though they're really downstairs oh geez yeah all right do we have final 719 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:38,440 thoughts on needs and NFL t t sure I mean I think that it's funny for an 720 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:44,320 outsider but I think a lot of it it's a mental health issues and people are 721 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,680 allowing their children to abuse them largely or allowing their children and 722 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,600 grandchildren to continue to be children for much longer than they should be 723 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:59,280 right yeah you know but you know what like honest honestly you can you can 724 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,040 still be an adult and have an awful lot of fun in life I mean you don't have to 725 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:09,680 be stuck up and have no fun and work all the time right you can be a fun person 726 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:16,880 as an adult a lot of a lot of the things that adults have to do aren't fun but 727 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:22,640 that doesn't mean that you have to also not be fun right and I did I did see 728 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:28,280 something a tweet or a meme or something I don't really scroll Twitter or 729 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:33,520 anything but I do look at memes from time to time and one kind of came up 730 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:39,160 that was interesting and love to hear your thoughts on it okay see what I'm 731 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,440 saying I can do kind of my like sultry radio voice be like hey Mike what's your 732 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,100 thoughts on this I don't know if that was sultry or not but you have to tell 733 00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:55,120 me very sultry very sultry it was something like the depression is a 734 00:37:55,120 --> 00:38:02,080 societal or let me see how I went depression is a society fuck all right 735 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:08,680 composure so no society is a depression no that wasn't it depression is a 736 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:18,400 societally acceptable mental health condition okay why would you say that or 737 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,760 why wasn't the point of the meeting I wouldn't have said that well I think it 738 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,880 was just like and maybe you know I don't know and the kind of the way I took it 739 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:33,000 was like if someone's depressed usually people say they're depressed but they 740 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,480 never really say hey what can I do to help you you know is there anything that 741 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,120 you need I mean it depends on your friend group for sure and depends on who 742 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,320 you're around but I think it was that maybe so many people are depressed that 743 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:50,560 it's just a fact of life in our society and it's not enough to cause a red flag 744 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,840 perhaps I would agree with that there's one more thing I want to talk to you 745 00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:01,120 about the question is do you want to talk about it this episode or next 746 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:07,440 episode well from the eagle from the look on your face I'm guessing it's 747 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:16,240 gonna be next episode okay let's do it next episode we're gonna talk about the 748 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:21,320 Brooklyn subway shooting oh and I don't know anything about it all right we're 749 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,520 gonna talk about that and we're gonna talk about the world rock-paper-scissors 750 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,400 championship yes and I don't know that sounds wonderful and we're gonna talk 751 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,760 about both those things this is gonna be a little bit shorter episode we're just 752 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,880 gonna wrap up now we're almost done with our cigars we can do our final thoughts 753 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:42,480 on these cigars and then we'll cut you loose well I think that they started off 754 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,560 pretty harsh yeah I was really disappointed I was like oh no I thought 755 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,600 it was gonna be a long slide yeah do this stick but it turned out to be 756 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,920 pretty good right now we're gonna last two inches and it's it's good yeah 757 00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:01,840 outside of that first half inch I would smoke this way before smoking that Ben 758 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:08,560 Maduro that we had yes yes this is a nice it's it's a lot lighter I think this 759 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:14,440 one yes it's it's later and it's got a more complex flavor favor and flavor 760 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:20,080 profile yes and it's very smooth outside of that first half inch where it was we 761 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:25,440 both looked at each other like what are we smoking but power through you'll 762 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:30,320 enjoy it yes don't know don't know that this is still my favorite after 763 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:37,560 revisiting it well it's not the La Gloria Cubana that is true that was 764 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,960 fantastic I like that even better than the flathead and I like those flatheads 765 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,680 are great yeah that one's the been the favorite one we've smoked so far on the 766 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:50,840 show I think so yeah yeah so next time we're gonna smoke a tequila cigar 767 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,640 tequila cigar we're gonna talk about the subway shooting and rock-paper-scissors 768 00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:22,360 championship championship alright thanks for listening