1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,560 Welcome to Nice Ashes, episode two. 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:09,560 This is Nate. 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,220 And Mike. 4 00:00:12,220 --> 00:00:14,100 And what are we smoking tonight, Mike? 5 00:00:14,100 --> 00:00:19,680 We have Punch 1840 Diablo's. 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,280 This one, yeah, I've not had it before either, but it's got the same, I can't remember what 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,320 you called it, like the box, the box squish. 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,320 The box press, yep. 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,220 The box press, yep. 10 00:00:32,220 --> 00:00:36,720 Box press looks to be six and a half, seven inches long. 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:41,000 Hard to tell the gauge, but I'm gonna guess it's a 60. 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:46,080 So people can look it up online better than I can tell them. 13 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,320 I'm just looking with my eye. 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:49,760 That is true. 15 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:54,480 My wrapper here says 56 maybe. 16 00:00:54,480 --> 00:01:05,040 58, I don't know, it's hard to see. 17 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:10,400 The good news is the snowbank I was sitting in last episode has now melted. 18 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:15,800 And I was able to get my fire going out on the patio and it's 50, 60 degrees out here 19 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:16,800 still. 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,640 So should be a lot less teeth chattering this time. 21 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,640 Yes. 22 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:32,320 My little label doesn't have any of that information. 23 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:37,400 I must have ripped it like a fool. 24 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:44,680 Well I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but the wrapper appears to be quite a bit darker 25 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,080 than the diesel, I mean than the flathead. 26 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,640 Yes. 27 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,960 I would say so, yes. 28 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,840 I'm lighting this one with a match as well. 29 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:56,840 Okay. 30 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:05,440 I'm using my Jetline 3 burner lighter with the mirror on the little cap that I like so 31 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:13,120 much. 32 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,800 Also they don't sponsor us, nor do matches, I guess. 33 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,480 No, no, no. 34 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,040 Diamond matches do not sponsor us. 35 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,240 But all in all a great brand of matches if you're in the market. 36 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,240 Yes. 37 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:36,720 It reminds me of, we talked about this a little bit last episode and I talked to you afterwards. 38 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:41,160 You've never heard of King Cobra JFS. 39 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,840 No I have not. 40 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:53,120 King Cobra is an internet famous lolcow and he always says not a sponsor. 41 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,600 Always. 42 00:02:54,600 --> 00:03:03,960 And there's another group or another YouTube video group, YouTube content creators I suppose. 43 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,200 YouTubers, there we go. 44 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,400 I'm aging myself a little bit. 45 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:17,480 The people that put videos on YouTube, that site where you put videos on. 46 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:22,280 But they say that to Good Mythical Morning and they do a lot of weird stuff. 47 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,240 But I like watching them when they kind of do the candy taste tests. 48 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:31,160 They do blind taste tests of different candies or fast food, chicken sandwiches, things like 49 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,160 that. 50 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,880 But they quite often say not a sponsor. 51 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,160 Okay, Good Mythical Morning is actually big though. 52 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,040 Yeah, yeah they're big. 53 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,960 And for those of us listeners, not me, not me. 54 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:51,240 But when you say lolcow or whatever, that means something. 55 00:03:51,240 --> 00:04:01,400 Oh yeah, so a lolcow is somebody who is not aware of how ridiculous they are. 56 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,840 So they go around and they make YouTube videos typically and it's hilarious because it's 57 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,320 just psychotic. 58 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:09,320 But they don't think they are. 59 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:15,120 They think that everybody else is crazy and they usually interact pretty strongly with 60 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,120 their troll fans. 61 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,120 Okay. 62 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,440 Yes, and that's where a lot of it comes from. 63 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,320 So I suppose time will tell if we're lolcows or not. 64 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:27,320 Right. 65 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,320 Right. 66 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:33,280 Well, Ken Cobra, you know, he's like a kid with Asperger's. 67 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:34,280 Well, he's not a kid. 68 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:36,440 He's 30 years old, but he's got Asperger's. 69 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:41,240 And he makes videos in a shithole apartment and he practices magic with his wand. 70 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:46,000 And he'll have like a Mountain Dew and he'll say, not a sponsor. 71 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Okay. 72 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,000 Classic. 73 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,000 Yep. 74 00:04:49,000 --> 00:05:01,200 So I think I'm about, if my eyes judge correctly, about a quarter of an inch into this so far, 75 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,640 this Diablo. 76 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:08,040 And I think the initial quarter inch on this has so far been more impressive than the first 77 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:13,120 quarter inch of the flathead. 78 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,560 Okay. 79 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,400 So what do you mean? 80 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,560 Well it tastes more full. 81 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,480 It tastes more rounded out. 82 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:32,080 Whereas with the other one, the one we smoked last episode, you know, it really kind of 83 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,520 took to that middle part to get to the real sweet spot. 84 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,840 And that first inch and a half, I remember you used that measurement quite a bit last 85 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:41,840 episode. 86 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:44,040 So it was probably cold where you were too. 87 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,880 I don't know. 88 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,280 I don't dislike this first, these first few puffs that I've taken. 89 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:52,280 Interesting. 90 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:57,880 So I found them to be harsh and overwhelming almost. 91 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,560 If you can believe it. 92 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:00,560 On this one? 93 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:01,560 Yeah. 94 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:02,560 Oh. 95 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:03,560 Yeah. 96 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,160 I'm about a quarter inch down as well. 97 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,160 And it is intense. 98 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,960 It is intense, but I like the flavor. 99 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:11,960 It's bold. 100 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:12,960 Like I like it. 101 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,360 It's very bold. 102 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,520 I'm definitely not pumping hard on it. 103 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,320 It's slow puff. 104 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:20,880 It tastes very nice. 105 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:21,880 It does. 106 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:22,880 It does. 107 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:23,880 I quite like this one. 108 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,360 We bought this one at the same time together, did we? 109 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:27,360 Yep. 110 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:28,360 I think at the- 111 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:29,360 Yeah. 112 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:30,360 At the Tobacco Grove. 113 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:31,360 Yes. 114 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:32,360 Yes. 115 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,680 Also not a sponsor, but it would be great to get them on the show at some point because 116 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,240 they've got like the best humidor I've seen. 117 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:44,640 You walk in there and I wear glasses and they instantly fog because they keep it at the 118 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,120 appropriate humidity in there. 119 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,720 But it's a fairly large room for their humidor. 120 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:50,720 Yes. 121 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,720 It was very big. 122 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,880 And it's rare that they allow you to smoke cigars in their shop. 123 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,600 They actually have like a lounge. 124 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,520 I don't know about how rare, but I haven't seen that before. 125 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:08,440 I mean, you're not going to see that at like a smoke shop that also smells vapes, but their 126 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,960 sign on their door is great because they say, we don't sell cigarettes, vapes, e-juice or 127 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:13,960 anything. 128 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,600 We only sell cigars and pipe tobacco. 129 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:17,600 Yep. 130 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:26,800 It's- so we had a cigar shop up here when I was growing up and you could smoke inside. 131 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:32,080 When Minnesota decided to do the smoking ban, they kind of killed a lot of that. 132 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,080 Yeah. 133 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:38,320 Not really on purpose, but the exemptions for cigar shops, proper cigar shops were extremely 134 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:39,320 limiting. 135 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,320 Yep. 136 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:48,040 So down in the Metro, I really only know of two offhand, which is Anthony's in uptown 137 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:53,840 and then Tobacco Grove, which is crazy for a city that has, or a metropolitan area that 138 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,040 has two and a half million people. 139 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,640 There's only two cigar shops you can smoke inside. 140 00:07:58,640 --> 00:07:59,640 Yep. 141 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,880 What we did talk about last time, you don't really see a lot of people out and about smoking 142 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:04,880 cigars. 143 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:05,880 No, you don't. 144 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,160 Like you might have decades ago. 145 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:10,640 Right. 146 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,160 It's not as popular as it once was. 147 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,400 At least not for a daily type of thing, for sure. 148 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:19,400 Yeah. 149 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:27,240 And so, I don't smoke cigarettes, but I have smoked vapes every now and then a couple of 150 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:28,240 times. 151 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:33,200 And I'll tell you, when I'm watching a movie and the main character is vaping the whole 152 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:38,880 movie, there's just something about it that kind of takes me out of the movie that I don't 153 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,440 get when they smoke a cigarette or even a cigar or pipe. 154 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:47,480 It's like they've got the... 155 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,240 What movie are you talking about, Nate? 156 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:51,240 Oh man. 157 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:58,840 It's the one with Rosamund Pike and it's got... 158 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:05,840 Oh man, I just watched them in Cyrano. 159 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:06,840 Peter Dinklage? 160 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:07,840 Peter Dinklage. 161 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:08,840 Yeah. 162 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:09,840 Yep. 163 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:10,840 Okay. 164 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:17,240 And the whole premise of the movie is Rosamund Pike is a healthcare advocate for old people, 165 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:23,480 but she gets them committed to these old folk homes and swindles them out of their inheritance 166 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:29,000 money by working with the doctors to rack up the medical charges so that their inheritance 167 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,360 goes to that and then they split that. 168 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,440 So she's a lovely young lady. 169 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:36,440 Yeah. 170 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,120 But it's a fantastic movie. 171 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,360 But in there, I believe, I think she... 172 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,680 It's not so frequent that it's distracting, but I've seen some other movies where the 173 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:52,800 main characters are just always puffing on their vape and it's like, oh man. 174 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,440 But maybe that's how prevalent it was with cigarettes too. 175 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,640 And I just don't know because I grew up before they banned smoking in Perkins. 176 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,720 Oh, it was. 177 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:01,720 It was. 178 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,920 I've watched a lot of movies from the 50s and the 60s. 179 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,360 It's like a cigarette advertisement. 180 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,400 They'll have John Wayne smoking a Marlboro Red and the Marlboro will be showing onto 181 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,120 the top of his little pocket that he put it in, stuff like that. 182 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,240 Yeah, but that's historically accurate for cowboys. 183 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,440 Absolutely. 184 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,880 Absolutely. 185 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,840 Yes. 186 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:34,400 So before I lose too much light out here, I know last time we promised we'd talk a little 187 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:40,440 bit about the Black, Red, Next, and White Liberals book that I finished reading and 188 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,240 will soon be sending your way. 189 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,080 I listened to it on Audible. 190 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,080 It was free. 191 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,080 It came with my subscription. 192 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,080 Excellent. 193 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,080 Well, and what did you think? 194 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,200 I thought it was good. 195 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,360 I thought it was good. 196 00:10:53,360 --> 00:11:01,200 I wanted to listen to it again, to be honest with you, to hear more notes. 197 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,000 Yep, exactly. 198 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,400 I wanted to criticize them. 199 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:09,400 Well we can. 200 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:10,400 We can do both. 201 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:15,200 In the earlier section, he was describing Black Redneck culture and White Redneck culture, 202 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,960 and he kind of was railing or not railing, pushing forward the idea that White Redneck 203 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,280 culture had diminished. 204 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,760 And I'm not sure if White Redneck culture has diminished because- 205 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:33,600 I know the White Redneck gods have diminished because we took all the statues down of them. 206 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:41,560 Right, but the fact that they had statues to their gods in almost every small, hellhole 207 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:47,240 southern town, they got very upset about it. 208 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,080 Yeah, I guess that's a good point. 209 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,360 I don't know that they have diminished either. 210 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:56,920 I spent five years in Oklahoma going to college and then working. 211 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:03,160 And being from Wisconsin, Minnesota area, I got called Yankee quite a bit for people 212 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,600 from a state that wasn't in the Civil War. 213 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:12,240 Oh, as you know, I worked at the oil field for many years and I have friends from the 214 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,640 South and I worked with a lot of guys from the South. 215 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,600 I've been called a square head. 216 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,240 They always want me to pronounce words for them because they think it's funny, which 217 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:23,600 is normal. 218 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,200 But the square head thing caught me off guard. 219 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,680 I'd never heard that until I moved there and worked with Southerners. 220 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:31,840 I haven't heard that until tonight. 221 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:39,440 Oh yeah, that's a, I guess a slur against Scandinavians. 222 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,800 Well, color me offended, good sir. 223 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:43,800 I know. 224 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,400 I was like, I'm barely Scandinavian, 12.5%. 225 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,920 Yeah, I think, you know, I'm Norwegian and German. 226 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:56,160 And then, you know, the various kind of European mix sprinkled in. 227 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:03,240 But even with some of these racial slurs, like I don't, I haven't looked them up because 228 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,840 I don't want Google to target ads to me with like the Confederate flag boxers and things 229 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:08,840 like that. 230 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,560 But, you know, they, I don't know what some of these words mean that people call other 231 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:13,560 other races. 232 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:16,720 Like I don't know where it came from or why that's what we call them. 233 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:17,920 Not we call them, but. 234 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:18,920 Right. 235 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:19,920 Well, yes. 236 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:26,560 But a lot of the, in my experience, a lot of slurs are regional. 237 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:27,560 They're not national. 238 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:30,800 I mean, obviously we got the big, the big group that everybody knows. 239 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:31,800 Don't you say it. 240 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:32,800 Don't you say it. 241 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:33,800 We're not saying nothing. 242 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:34,800 We're not saying nothing. 243 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:35,800 But. 244 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:41,880 So to get back on point, Thomas Sowell is the one who wrote Black, Rednecks and White 245 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:42,880 Liberals. 246 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,920 And I thought, you know, it's a series of what, you know, what five or six essays, I 247 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:47,920 suppose. 248 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:54,280 But I thought it was very interesting because it kind of looks at things from a further 249 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,680 distance at the start. 250 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:04,200 And then kind of he drills down to different specifics and different reasons why certain 251 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,800 things may or may not have happened. 252 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:10,720 But I know on the last episode we were talking about, like imperialism. 253 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:16,240 And so his last, his last essay in here is called History versus Visions. 254 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:21,440 And basically I don't want to, you know, this is just my summation of it, that it goes into 255 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:26,680 way more depth and he's way more eloquent in getting his point across than what I am. 256 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:34,080 But basically he's saying that by living in modern times as we are stuck right now and 257 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:42,160 looking back at history, he is making the argument that certain people, perhaps in power 258 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:50,880 or whatnot, have colored history with their vision of what they want history to enable 259 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,800 them to do today. 260 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:59,400 Would you say that's kind of a fair assumption or a fair like summation of that last, that 261 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:00,400 last chapter? 262 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:06,240 Yeah, I would say it's, it's, it's pretty fair. 263 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:14,960 I think his criticism of policies that we've had never really addressed like elements of 264 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,920 hard work and personal responsibility. 265 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:26,560 Yeah, I think the biggest complaint that I have against this whole entire book is there's, 266 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,640 there's not a call to action. 267 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:35,800 There's not a solution or a resolution really other than just kind of a generic, like everybody 268 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,280 should be educated. 269 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:38,280 Sure. 270 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:39,280 Yes. 271 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:40,280 In these things. 272 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:45,320 But that doesn't, it doesn't really give you a path of like, well, if I want, you know, 273 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:53,280 equality to work, if I want things to be better, you're not going to find that in here. 274 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:58,200 I mean, maybe, maybe it will, maybe it will like trigger you to find something or come 275 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,200 up with something. 276 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,680 So, I mean, I guess there's that. 277 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,000 Sure. 278 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,280 It's potentially describing a way that we got to where we're at. 279 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:08,280 Yeah. 280 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:09,280 And you can say the same thing about like algebra. 281 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,560 Like algebra is not going to tell you how to solve it, but you know, we can use that 282 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,360 and go to the moon, you know. 283 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:17,360 Right. 284 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:25,360 And when I mean hard work, so I wrote a little screed about white rednecks. 285 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,720 It's not that the white redneck doesn't work hard, quote unquote. 286 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,920 It's that they're not smart. 287 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:37,200 They're not, they just, they don't value using your brain to solve problems. 288 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,440 Yeah, it's very more of a brawn. 289 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:46,120 Yeah, they'll grab 10 guys to lift a big pump up instead of going and grabbing one skid 290 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,880 steer and one strap, you know. 291 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:53,880 So they use 10 guys where they, when they're taking five times as long, you know, they're 292 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,520 just slow because they don't want to use machines. 293 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,400 You know, they don't want to look weak. 294 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:00,400 Yeah. 295 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,760 They want to, you know, get her done. 296 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,520 You know how many times I've heard that in my life. 297 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:12,480 It's like, no, well, it depends on how much you've listened to Larry the cable guy is 298 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:13,480 really what. 299 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:14,480 Oh yes. 300 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,440 They're all fans of Larry the cable guy. 301 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:20,440 Yeah. 302 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:26,280 But yeah, I did want to talk and I was going to read just one sentence out of here because 303 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:32,320 we were talking about imperialism conquest, you know, conquering other nations, um, Louisiana 304 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,040 purchase that kind of stuff. 305 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,560 Uh, but in, in this last chapter here, he says conquest like slavery existed on every 306 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:44,280 inhabited continent and involved all the races of mankind as both conquerors and subjugated 307 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,280 peoples. 308 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:52,120 And, um, you know, in that chapter, he really does go through and goes through all the different, 309 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:58,800 not every single different people, uh, but he does go through quite a few examples of 310 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:05,200 how that's kind of been humanity's way of life ever since we got here. 311 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,200 Yes. 312 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:12,520 And I thought that section of the book was wonderful because he is being accurate. 313 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:19,320 Uh, racialized slavery existed in Europe before America was discovered. 314 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:26,440 Uh, there was a push to end slavery by imperials, you know, by the imperial governments of the 315 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:27,440 world. 316 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:28,440 Yeah. 317 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,920 So in many ways, uh, and by Imperial, I think we should also clarify by Western Imperial 318 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:33,920 countries. 319 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:34,920 Yes. 320 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:40,000 So I remember that was kind of a big distinction that he made, um, was that, you know, Britain 321 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:46,200 and eventually America, um, after both had outlawed slavery, uh, England ran a pretty 322 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:51,280 large deficit sending ships out to stop slave, slave ships. 323 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:52,280 Yeah. 324 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:57,680 In the Arab empires, the Ottoman Empire, you know, those, that area, which there's still 325 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,480 slavery there now. 326 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:05,200 Uh, unfortunately, well, I guess we can blame England for that. 327 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:11,600 Well, I guess if they would never have, uh, made them independent after the first world 328 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:18,280 war, more imperialism, nothing that's a good thing to do. 329 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,280 Well, that's true. 330 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:26,880 Um, for that issue, it's true for that issue. 331 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,180 It's definitely true. 332 00:19:28,180 --> 00:19:32,840 And I suppose it's also true that, I mean, it's great that we got out of, uh, Iraq and 333 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,320 everything, but you know, the Taliban's back now. 334 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,100 So right. 335 00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:39,520 That's also not good. 336 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:45,240 But being an inch in now to the cigar, it's, it's mellowed out quite a bit. 337 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,320 I think I agree. 338 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,200 It's mellowed out and I really like it. 339 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,420 Me as well. 340 00:19:55,420 --> 00:20:00,200 I'm not getting an even burn, but, uh, I didn't get an even burn on my last one, but this 341 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:05,720 one it's, it's even, this is one nice Ash I'm looking at here. 342 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:13,560 The other one burned very even for me, but this one's a little lopsided, not like a danger 343 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,560 zone or anything. 344 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,560 Yeah. 345 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:17,920 But very good. 346 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:18,920 Yeah. 347 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:19,920 It's tasty. 348 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:29,520 So yeah, that's a, Thomas Sowell is very, uh, even though it's reasonable and calm, 349 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:34,600 he's not blaming anybody for anything, but it's very controversial. 350 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:40,880 Very controversial, uh, you know, because, uh, certain groups just can't be at fault 351 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,760 for their own problems sometimes because it's all, uh, you know, the, the, the fault of 352 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,080 this other evil group where they're always wrong. 353 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,520 Well, and I think that was kind of the great thing about this last chapter, you know, the 354 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:57,920 history versus visions, because, you know, a lot of the things he talked about was saying 355 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:05,400 that, you know, if you dig into some of these social programs, let's just say that their 356 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:14,160 vision doesn't match with what actually happened or the statistics or facts, and they will 357 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:19,000 ignore things that go against their vision, even if they're true. 358 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,240 Sure. 359 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,840 Which could be said for, for, you know, a lot of people doing all sorts of things, you 360 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:29,400 know, and we talked a little bit about that last episode too, about, you know, just how 361 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:36,240 do you, or why don't people nowadays converse civilly with one another when they disagree 362 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:37,720 on something? 363 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:38,720 Right. 364 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:39,720 Yeah. 365 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,800 It's always, uh, evilist hope immediately. 366 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,160 Immediately. 367 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,920 Yeah. 368 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:54,560 So the other thing we talked about last episode was world war three and we posited that perhaps 369 00:21:54,560 --> 00:22:02,320 China was kind of watching this Russian Ukraine situation with a closer eye and a day or two 370 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:09,640 ago, I got a news update on my phone that China had mobilized, um, some troops. 371 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,600 Oh, okay. 372 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,200 But I don't know where or why. 373 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:22,800 Um, cause I don't, I try not to go too in depth into any like news things because it's 374 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:29,560 the, the swing they put on it or the, um, oh, the spin, the spin they put on it. 375 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,200 Swing is different swingers. 376 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,200 Yes. 377 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,480 It's, uh, it's, it's slightly different, similar, but different. 378 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:38,480 Yeah. 379 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,440 I mean, sometimes spin helps there too. 380 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,160 I suppose it would. 381 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,080 I suppose it would, but, uh, yeah, we'll, we'll see. 382 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:55,520 I know that, uh, China was in some negotiations with the United States and, uh, they were 383 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:01,200 pretty much told us to piss up a rope, us being the United States government, not any 384 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,200 regular person. 385 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,720 We're not really involved with any of that. 386 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,920 I thought they singled you out specifically. 387 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:06,920 Yes. 388 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,120 They mentioned me by name. 389 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:11,120 Yeah. 390 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:15,600 In their little guy from that cigar podcast where they don't talk about cigars a whole 391 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:16,600 lot. 392 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,600 Yeah. 393 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,280 That's that, that, that show that has zero listeners. 394 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,400 Well, we don't know. 395 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:29,800 Uh, speaking about listeners and things, uh, we just watched the Adam project. 396 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,840 Okay. 397 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,440 That's the new Ryan Reynolds movie. 398 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,440 I've never heard of it. 399 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:37,440 With time travel. 400 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:44,920 Uh, so it's Ryan Reynolds, uh, playing Ryan Reynolds in a Ryan Reynolds film, uh, that's 401 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:45,920 not Deadpool. 402 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,960 But it kind of is, but less F words. 403 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,360 Um, so I don't know if you've seen a lot of Ryan Reynolds films. 404 00:23:54,360 --> 00:24:01,440 I've seen the proposal and Deadpool and I just watched Deadpool over the last two years 405 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,440 or a year or something. 406 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:04,440 Okay. 407 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,440 Uh, yeah. 408 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,920 So he did like free guy and I don't know, I'm sure those are kind of like the recent 409 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,400 ones that we've seen of his, you know, his free guy where he's the, uh, NPC in the video 410 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,120 game. 411 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:17,120 Okay. 412 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:20,200 Do you see any, uh, trailers for that one? 413 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:26,280 I don't, uh, I don't, I don't watch any sort of, uh, movies. 414 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,280 I watched Dune. 415 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,960 That was really excited for Dune. 416 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:29,960 Yeah. 417 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:35,040 But, uh, typically if it's not as good as Dune, I don't want to watch it. 418 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,040 Yeah. 419 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,840 I'm busy doing other stuff. 420 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:38,840 Yeah. 421 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,680 Well, so anyway, uh, you know how he is in Deadpool, right? 422 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,920 He's always, he's got the snarky comments for everything. 423 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,400 Yes. 424 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,040 Yes. 425 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,400 Okay. 426 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,120 So that's kind of how Ryan Reynolds is, I guess, maybe in even real life. 427 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:59,400 Um, certainly his Twitter is like that, uh, from some of the Twitter screenshots that 428 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:05,120 I've seen, but so he kind of plays that same character in all the movies now. 429 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:12,440 Uh, and we were kind of comparing him to say, you know, Michael Cera when you hear like, 430 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,080 oh, there's a movie with Michael Cera. 431 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,080 Well, guess what? 432 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,880 He's probably playing a high school kid who hasn't had sex yet. 433 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:18,880 Right. 434 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,880 And that's gotta be 40. 435 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:21,880 Yeah. 436 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,880 Well, and I haven't seen him in anything or heard about him, you know, for quite a while. 437 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:31,080 And so I think he probably got so typecast as that character, um, that he just, he never 438 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,080 could get bigger than, you know, super bad. 439 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:42,400 Um, but it's kind of the same with Ryan Reynolds, although Ryan Reynolds, I think is he's the 440 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,680 guy who's done other roles before Deadpool and before he was able to kind of like be 441 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:52,500 himself and have enough, uh, you know, money or say so to be able to bring his own interpretations 442 00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:54,720 to these characters. 443 00:25:54,720 --> 00:26:00,320 And even though some of the themes in this newest movie, the Adam project are, uh, you 444 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:07,780 know, fairly serious, he still has kind of that running sarcastic commentary throughout 445 00:26:07,780 --> 00:26:09,680 the entire movie. 446 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,480 Which is good. 447 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,480 It's good. 448 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,480 It's good. 449 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:22,920 Um, I can see where Ryan Reynolds would be kind of a distraction from the storyline, 450 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:28,640 uh, because like I said, there are some serious things like there's time travel, uh, trying 451 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:34,160 to save other people at different times throughout times. 452 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,600 Um, and stuff. 453 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:44,880 So do you think he's getting to like, uh, the Burt Reynolds level famous where I'm not 454 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,560 sure how many Burt Reynolds movies you've seen, but I've seen a few. 455 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,560 I've seen a few. 456 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,960 I mean, you know, I grew up watching all the movies my grandpa liked, which, you know, 457 00:26:53,960 --> 00:27:00,400 it was a lot of John Wayne, um, a lot of Jimmy Stewart, a lot of, uh, like grumpy old men, 458 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,400 that sort of thing. 459 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,400 Sure. 460 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,400 Sure. 461 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,920 So, so, oh, maybe he'll turn into Walter Matho, Jack Lemon, you know, maybe. 462 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:09,920 Yeah. 463 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:10,920 I mean, I don't know. 464 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,040 You're getting, you know, what you're getting when you watch those two in, you know? 465 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,040 Yes. 466 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,040 Yeah. 467 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,280 And, and I would say in the past, since Deadpool came out, if you're watching a movie with 468 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,080 Ryan Reynolds in it, you know what you're going to get. 469 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,280 I think he's, I think he's about there. 470 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:29,520 Uh, you know, he might do like a Nick Cage where he's going to, you know, abruptly shift 471 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:34,800 direction and then kind of like shift back, um, cause Nick Cage put out a bunch of really 472 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,800 terrible, terrible movies. 473 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,640 And then he put out one called Pig, where he's a truffle hunter and he uses a pig to 474 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,640 hunt the truffles. 475 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,760 It's a serious movie and it's quite well done. 476 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,560 And I really enjoyed it. 477 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,900 And I was reading trivia on it. 478 00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:54,080 And Nick Cage said that he did this one, he did Pig because he wanted to prove to everybody 479 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,400 he could still act because he was, he was self-aware enough, uh, to know that he was 480 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,360 doing a bunch of, you know, crap movies. 481 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:04,760 Um, some of which are entertaining and some have not been. 482 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:10,000 His money problems are, uh, even I know that he's terrible with money. 483 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,000 Yeah. 484 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,320 And he's got, and he's, and he's got a new movie coming out where he plays basically 485 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,920 a caricature of himself with money problems. 486 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,400 And so it sounds quite, quite entertaining if they can do it the right way. 487 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:30,520 Sure, if it's, yeah, it might be some good popcorn blockbuster, you know. 488 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,920 So you don't watch a whole lot of movies? 489 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,200 No, I don't watch a whole lot of movies. 490 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,800 I don't watch a whole lot of television. 491 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:38,800 Yeah. 492 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,760 I don't watch hardly any television. 493 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,720 Um, but speaking about movies, just cause that's what I'm interested in and I seem to 494 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,280 have your attention on the subject for right now. 495 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,280 Um, but I think this next thing you might be interested in, because I know that you 496 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,640 like the more controversial opinions on things. 497 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,800 And so I really, really want your opinion. 498 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,280 And so I think your homework after this episode is to just pick, pick a movie, like a modern 499 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,440 movie and watch and see what you find. 500 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,480 Because there's this guy on YouTube and we've determined that these people are called YouTubers. 501 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,480 Right? 502 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,200 That's the kids are calling them that now. 503 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,840 Um, we're done with, we're done with calling people vloggers or do we still call them that? 504 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:26,840 I don't, I don't remember. 505 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,080 There are still vloggers if they're of a certain age. 506 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,080 Damn it. 507 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,080 Yes, they are. 508 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,080 The video response is dead though. 509 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,080 Oh yeah. 510 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,080 Yeah. 511 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,080 That's a, that's a forgotten. 512 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,080 Yeah. 513 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,720 You know what I wish would die is you're trying to get this great recipe and you have to read 514 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,720 about their life story. 515 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,360 And you have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to find the ingredients and how 516 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,360 to cook it. 517 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,120 You know, and they're like, I made this for, you know. 518 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,340 But anyway, so there's this YouTube channel that I like and I've only just recently kind 519 00:29:55,340 --> 00:30:00,640 of been introduced to it and it's he's called the critical drinker and he's a, he's a drunk 520 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,640 Scottish guy. 521 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,280 Uh, but he did a great one on why modern, he does a little series on why modern movies 522 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,640 suck. 523 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:17,400 And so this most recent one that I watched was, um, I can't remember what it was called, 524 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,400 but it was something about. 525 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,360 Well, he did one on heroes, he did one on villains. 526 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:23,360 Yep. 527 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,360 He did. 528 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,360 Oh yeah. 529 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,360 It was modern. 530 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,360 Why modern villains suck. 531 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,840 Uh, and that's, that's the one I want to talk about because he says that the unwritten 532 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,920 rule of screenwriting, you know, and there's, you know, it's the rules of storytelling. 533 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,720 Basically you've got, you know, you have to have things that catapult your characters 534 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,400 along to make a compelling story that people want to watch. 535 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,760 You can't, you know. 536 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,480 Um, I think clerks is the first one that kind of comes to mind where almost nothing happens 537 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,480 the entire movie. 538 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,560 Uh, but you still want to watch it. 539 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,600 Um, but that's cause he knew what he was doing when he made that. 540 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:07,240 But the modern villains, he's saying the unwritten rule is that, was that a jab at he man of 541 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,640 the masters of the universe 2.0, the he man free version of he met. 542 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,600 It could be, it could be. 543 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:22,760 But he was saying the unwritten rule now is you can't have a woman ever be beaten by a 544 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:23,760 man. 545 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,560 And I'm not talking like Chris Brown beaten. 546 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,720 I'm just talking like they can't lose, uh, to a man. 547 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,520 And he's very pro like, yep, there should be more women in films. 548 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,040 There should be more minorities in films. 549 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,560 There should be more everything in films. 550 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,200 Uh, but with the caveat that the films have to be good. 551 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:46,200 You can't just randomly throw people in there, especially in a setting where they wouldn't 552 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,200 typically be. 553 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,680 Um, you know, and the, the new Lord of the Rings series, uh, he kind of like broke that 554 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:58,380 down and he was like, uh, the first woman to ever fight in middle earth was in return 555 00:31:58,380 --> 00:31:59,920 of the King. 556 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:05,720 So why are there women in full battle garb in the trailer for this prequel to Lord of 557 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:06,720 the Rings? 558 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:13,120 Um, I don't, I don't want to get into that, but what are you saying? 559 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,400 We can, we can, but I wanted to finish this thought first where modern films and modern 560 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,200 things, all the villains suck. 561 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,920 And I was going to talk to you about, uh, Adam project because I watched the movie and 562 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,760 then at the end I was like, Oh man, the critical drinker was right. 563 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,840 Um, so he, and I'm going to talk with these other movies that he talks about in the video 564 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:36,560 because they're, you know, within the past year or so or more, people have had a chance 565 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,560 to see them. 566 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,080 We don't have to do the spoiler alert thing. 567 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,080 Uh, but he talks about the new star Wars, uh, trilogy where, you know, Kylo Ren basically 568 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:51,440 sucks because the man, the protagonist is a woman. 569 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:57,260 So therefore even at the beginning of the movie series, when she's supposedly the weakest, 570 00:32:57,260 --> 00:33:01,720 he can't actually defeat her because that's not allowed. 571 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,360 You know, the unwritten rules, he can't, he can't defeat her. 572 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:10,200 Uh, and then you get this, you get two more movies of him not being able to defeat her. 573 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,000 So then when she defeats him at the end, you know, and it's not just, it's not really a 574 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,000 clear cut like defeat. 575 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,040 It's, you know, it's kind of, they did the same thing. 576 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:24,320 I mean, it's basically the original trilogy, but just told poorly and it makes way less 577 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,720 sense. 578 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:31,700 But even when she defeats him at the end, there's really no payoff because she never 579 00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:34,960 had to work for anything because he never defeated her. 580 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:41,240 There was never a point where she was like down and out in any way. 581 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:47,080 Uh, no, I, uh, I hate those movies. 582 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,800 I hate those movies. 583 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,720 Well get used to it because the same thing happens in the Adam project. 584 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,720 Uh, but they do some fancy footwork to make it less obvious. 585 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,280 Oh, okay. 586 00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,280 No. 587 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:04,040 And, and, and he talked about Thor Ragnarok where Thor's sisters, the evil one. 588 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,320 Uh, but Thor can actually defeat her even though he's Thor. 589 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,680 And so what they did was they had this, and I'm not a huge comic Marvel person. 590 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,840 So if you're going to get upset by me not knowing the name of the thing that came out 591 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:21,480 of the, like the beam and killed her, uh, but they third partied her death. 592 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,680 They had something else come like some entity come and like stab her with this like cosmic 593 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,380 sword. 594 00:34:28,380 --> 00:34:29,700 So it wasn't Thor. 595 00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:30,700 It wasn't a man. 596 00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:34,120 It was some cosmic entity that came out of like a wormhole. 597 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,760 Uh, and I can just hear, yeah, yep. 598 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,880 I can, I can hear all the Marvel people just like flipping their shit. 599 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,560 Like this guy calls himself a movie fan, uh, but doesn't know the name of the thing that 600 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,080 came out of the wormhole at it. 601 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,080 Sorry. 602 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,080 I don't know. 603 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,880 There's like a thousand Marvel movies. 604 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:51,880 I'm sorry. 605 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,960 I, I can't watch all the Marvel movies. 606 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,880 Some of them are bad and some of them aren't. 607 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:58,880 Yeah. 608 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:05,680 I'm interested in watching them to be honest with you because it's all mishmash together. 609 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,800 You know, I'm not interested in that type of storytelling myself. 610 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,840 But you know what? 611 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,400 Here's what I will say. 612 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:20,040 Like we did, um, Avengers end game and, uh, infinity war. 613 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,520 Like, you know, that two part one, we did that one. 614 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,160 Um, and we've seen some of some of the other ones, you know, I don't know that we, I don't 615 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,680 think we've seen any like the black widow or stuff like that, but here's, I'll give 616 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:38,640 Marvel their, their props because you could be me and have never read a comic book in 617 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:39,640 your life. 618 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,680 Uh, only vaguely know like these characters from growing up with like the 1990s X-Men 619 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,720 movies, um, you know, and the Toby McGuire, spider-mans and things like that. 620 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:54,960 Um, but they do a good job of, you can come into any movie, even if you haven't seen the 621 00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:01,320 other ones in the, the universe that they have, you know, and you, and you know what's 622 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,320 going on. 623 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,400 Like they do a very good job of making movies that you can just kind of like, you can watch 624 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,200 as a one-off even though, you know, it still fits into like a bigger thing and you can 625 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,880 watch them in the, you know, the order. 626 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:19,080 I've seen these big lists online of all these orders of like how to watch these Marvel movies. 627 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:24,680 Um, and I just, I don't have the time to do that because there's like a thousand of them 628 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:25,680 now. 629 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:32,160 Um, you know, but, but some of them are good and some of them are less good, but I think 630 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:38,680 they do a good job of keeping them accessible for people that aren't the huge comic book 631 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:39,680 fans. 632 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:40,680 Sure. 633 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:41,680 Sure. 634 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:49,000 I, I think that the Marvel franchise suffers from the same thing as a lot of these new 635 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:57,760 TV shows do a lot of Vikings comes to mind and Bolin comes to mind where instead of coming 636 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:05,760 up with a new story with new characters, they just shove in diverse people into spots where 637 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,600 they probably don't belong. 638 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:14,080 You know, there's no woman leader of ancient Scandinavia or whatever in mythology. 639 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,640 It's just not, that's just not the way that it was. 640 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,280 And there's historical consequences for lying. 641 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,280 Right. 642 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,280 And Bolin wasn't black. 643 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:28,520 Uh, and it takes away from the struggles of, uh, black people in our culture to pretend 644 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,200 like she was. 645 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,720 Well let's, let's counterpoint that real quick. 646 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:33,720 Sure. 647 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:38,820 And let's say what about in glorious bastards and some of these Tarantino films that are 648 00:37:38,820 --> 00:37:42,820 reimaginings of historical events. 649 00:37:42,820 --> 00:37:45,760 That's different because it's a fantasy story, right? 650 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:52,160 Like, okay, so because he does, you know, that this is not an accurate, this is a fantasy 651 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,200 story and you know that immediately. 652 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,200 Yes. 653 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,200 Yes. 654 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,200 I'll agree with you. 655 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:06,040 I just, I wanted to do that counterpoint because you can do movies like this where it is, um, 656 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,800 fantasy and you, and you know, going into it like in glorious bastards, you just know, 657 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,680 like you know, the whole way the film is done, you still get invested in the characters. 658 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:22,200 It's, it's just enough base in history that you know, the people, you know, um, and you 659 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:28,600 know what, what really happened or you, you have a vague understanding of, you know, he, 660 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,120 you know, Hitler wasn't machine gunned in a theater. 661 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,120 Right. 662 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:37,240 You know, like you, you, you know that, I mean, some people, I mean, some family did 663 00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:43,040 not get shot, you know, by a drunk actor or whatever. 664 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,040 With a, with a flame thrower. 665 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,040 Yeah. 666 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,680 Like we, we know that that's not true. 667 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:49,680 It's a fantasy story. 668 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,040 So it's fine. 669 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:58,280 Uh, I was thinking more specifically of, uh, we're watching Stargate and Stargate has 670 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:04,880 the main cast are a white woman who's a scientist, who's like a borderline genius, a black guy, 671 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,000 who was also an alien, who was one of the most entertaining guys on the show. 672 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:14,160 And then, uh, Richard Dean Anderson, uh, cause he's legacy for TV and very popular at that 673 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,160 time. 674 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,720 And then a random white guy, right. 675 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,760 Who's also a genius. 676 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,720 Like they had two geniuses, one's a woman, one's a man. 677 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:27,080 Well, I mean, to be fair, they're traveling through star gates. 678 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,600 They need geniuses. 679 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,640 You can't just walk through one of those things. 680 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:32,640 Exactly. 681 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,680 And no, and the head doctor's a woman and they have a diverse cast within the earth 682 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:38,680 side. 683 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,800 And then you go to these other planets and they have diversity there as well. 684 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,440 So are you saying that that this is done well? 685 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,960 Yeah, yes. 686 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,080 It makes sense. 687 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,560 It's not, uh, it's not diversity just for diversity sake, you know? 688 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:54,560 Yes. 689 00:39:54,560 --> 00:40:00,280 And, and so I don't know if you saw the, um, 2016 Ghostbusters answer the call, the all 690 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,360 female reboot of Ghostbusters. 691 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,400 I could not bring myself to watch that movie, Nate. 692 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,760 I apologize. 693 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,160 You don't have to apologize to me. 694 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:20,760 But there's, there's things like that where you're taking a well-known loved franchise 695 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:26,720 and you are making it female only, but you're not actually spending the time to write a 696 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:31,880 good script to make it stand on his own two legs. 697 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:39,400 And I can prove to you that they didn't write a good script and they didn't care. 698 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:45,560 They just wanted to have the sensational headline, all female Ghostbuster cast or something like 699 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:46,600 that. 700 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:51,760 And here's the proof because they brought in every single actor from the original movie 701 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,160 in cameos playing parts that weren't their parts that they played in the original. 702 00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:02,240 Um, but they would get their own kind of head of steam going and then there'd be Bill Murray 703 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:03,240 doing something. 704 00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:05,660 And you're like, Holy, Holy shit, that's Bill Murray. 705 00:41:05,660 --> 00:41:09,480 And then you would completely forget what these female Ghostbusters were doing. 706 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,800 And then it would take another 10, 15 minutes for their story to kind of pick back up pace 707 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,280 again. 708 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,080 And then there was somebody else and you're like, Oh, okay. 709 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,000 And so it was just kind of like, they would, it was like start and stop. 710 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,880 They'd kind of get their little storyline going and then they'd say, well, this movie's 711 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:29,880 no good. 712 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,520 So let's get Bill Murray in here, Dan Aykroyd, or let's get, you know, one of the original 713 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,080 cast in here. 714 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:40,960 And then, and then that tanked their entire plot line for like the five minutes. 715 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,960 And then they, you know, it took them so much time to get back. 716 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:44,960 Sure. 717 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:51,960 But that's one where it's like, it's diversity for diversity sake and story be damned. 718 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,400 Right. 719 00:41:53,400 --> 00:42:05,060 See, and, uh, I watched some of the previews because obviously I'm of the age where I wanted 720 00:42:05,060 --> 00:42:06,920 to, uh, do it. 721 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:12,800 You know, I wanted to watch it cause it's, it's good, but they had, uh, is that Leslie? 722 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,680 I can't remember her name. 723 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,420 The Melissa McCarthy and then Leslie Jones, I want to say. 724 00:42:20,420 --> 00:42:25,360 And they have that these women on the screen and they're acting goofy. 725 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:31,080 And I mean, that's not, the story is that these guys are really smart. 726 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,960 All of them are smart. 727 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:33,960 They're not goofy. 728 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:34,960 The story is goofy. 729 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,640 They're trying to be serious in this goofy world. 730 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,720 And that's the way that the, the story works. 731 00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:42,720 Right. 732 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:43,720 It's a zany world. 733 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:44,720 They're not zany people. 734 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:45,720 Yeah. 735 00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:46,720 And you're talking Ghostbusters? 736 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:47,720 Yeah. 737 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:48,720 The original ghost. 738 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:49,720 Yeah. 739 00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:50,720 Well, I mean, Bill Murray was zany. 740 00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:51,720 Like his character was zany. 741 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:55,720 He was kind of, you know, he wasn't doing like three stooges, ratfalls. 742 00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:57,720 Oh, no, no, no. 743 00:42:57,720 --> 00:42:58,720 Remember? 744 00:42:58,720 --> 00:42:59,720 You know what I mean? 745 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:00,720 No, no. 746 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:04,160 I mean, he was, he was doing like the, uh, you know, holding up the flashcards and shocking 747 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:09,600 the men and, uh, you know, rewarding the women, you know, he was doing like that kind of stuff. 748 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,040 Even, even though the man was like guessing everything, right. 749 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,680 He was still getting the punishment shock. 750 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,680 Right. 751 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:15,680 Yeah. 752 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,120 He was kind of, he was that kind of zany, like a loose, loose cannon, you know, womanizer 753 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,120 type. 754 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,120 Yeah. 755 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,120 He's not necessarily a good guy. 756 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:28,740 Well, he, you know, but I mean, like, I think of the, of the, the cast or of the characters 757 00:43:28,740 --> 00:43:34,480 of the first Ghostbusters, the original, um, he was maybe the less, the least smart. 758 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,880 Uh, maybe he was smarter in, in, you know, interpersonal things because the other, uh, 759 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,000 the other characters are quite a bit more brainy, you know? 760 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,000 Yes. 761 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,280 He was a sleazy salesman type character. 762 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,280 Yeah. 763 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,280 Uh, yeah. 764 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,240 Which is, you know, you need to have that sort of thing, but I don't care for these 765 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:58,880 re-imagining stories where they're just shitting on the characters. 766 00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,880 Yeah. 767 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:00,880 Yeah. 768 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:01,880 In my opinion, they're shitting on the characters. 769 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,840 I want, I want, if you want diverse cast, diverse, diverse everything, I'm all for that. 770 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,440 I want a diverse story then. 771 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:13,680 I don't want a story from my childhood that you're just going to lazily put these diverse 772 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:14,680 people in. 773 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,560 Like, I want, like, you give me a diverse story. 774 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,960 I don't, I don't need another Marvel movie. 775 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,640 I don't need another Ghostbusters movie. 776 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,760 I don't need another James Bond movie. 777 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:32,720 I want a fresh original story that's a diverse story that comes from diverse people. 778 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:39,160 I don't need another Hollywood, you know, by the book, paint by the numbers blockbuster. 779 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:44,080 You know, if you're going to modernize, let's say Jane Austen, because there's a thousand 780 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,400 and one fan fictions, people love it. 781 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:47,400 Yeah. 782 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,440 If you want to modernize it, make a diverse cast, of course. 783 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:51,440 Yeah. 784 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,920 But if you're setting it in Georgia and England, you can't have diversity in that. 785 00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,760 I mean, there was no diversity in upper class England in the 1700s. 786 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,480 There just wasn't. 787 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,360 I, I don't know what else to say. 788 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,800 Like, that's part of the problem in our society now is that they were assholes then and we're 789 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,880 getting the hangover still from them. 790 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:11,880 Yeah. 791 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:12,880 It's. 792 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,040 Why don't you go back and fix it? 793 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,800 Go back and you fix Victorian England. 794 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,760 Yeah, exactly. 795 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:25,560 So I'm about halfway through the cigar now. 796 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:26,560 Yeah. 797 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:27,560 Yeah. 798 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:28,560 Me as well. 799 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:29,560 I was just thinking we should do a cigar check. 800 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:30,560 Yeah. 801 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,560 I am really enjoying it. 802 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,560 It's yeah. 803 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,440 I wish I could, I wish I could unsmoke part of it and smoke it again. 804 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:41,320 No, it's really a well rounded, still dark, but it's not. 805 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,120 It's not overpoweringly. 806 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,120 So it's not. 807 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,120 No. 808 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,120 It's not. 809 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:51,440 And I'll say the first, you know, the first half inch inch, that was, that was really, 810 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:52,440 really bold. 811 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,440 Very bold. 812 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:54,440 I liked it. 813 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:55,640 I still liked it. 814 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,560 It wasn't, it wasn't bitter. 815 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:02,480 It wasn't, you know, it wasn't unsavory. 816 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,040 It was, but it was a lot. 817 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,700 And if it would have, if it would have stayed that bold, we'd probably have different opinions 818 00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:11,360 on this cigar right now, but it really has mellowed out. 819 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,360 Yes. 820 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,360 Yeah. 821 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,640 If it had been that bold, I'm pretty sure I would not have, I don't know if I could 822 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:17,640 have smoked it all. 823 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:18,640 Oh, you would have. 824 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,160 I know you and I know you would have. 825 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,160 I would have. 826 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,360 Just to spite it. 827 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,360 Oh, you think you can out-bold me? 828 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,880 Sad but true. 829 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:30,880 Sad but true. 830 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:31,880 Yes. 831 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,760 Have you ever watched a channel called The Metatron? 832 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,240 A YouTuber called The Metatron? 833 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,240 No, no. 834 00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:42,920 Oh, he talks about all sorts of historical things. 835 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:49,520 He's a very interesting character, but he did a video recently on putting, and he's 836 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:55,960 had this series for a while, putting black characters or Indian, Indian being from India 837 00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:04,260 characters in storylines, historical type settings that they don't belong in. 838 00:47:04,260 --> 00:47:08,840 And it's not, they don't belong in it in like, oh, authoritarianism. 839 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:14,560 It's just, if you misrepresent the past in our entertainment, it is misinformation. 840 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:15,560 Yeah. 841 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:22,880 If you misrepresent the past with the intent of making a film that is, you know, historical, 842 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:30,760 historically based, opposed to Tarantino's fantastical retellings or reimaginings of 843 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,840 historical events or, you know, like what ifs. 844 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:34,840 Right. 845 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,640 You know that it's alternate reality. 846 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:37,640 Yeah. 847 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:44,680 And I also want to say though, that it's not just putting, you know, diverse people into 848 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:49,160 the sort of situations where they were not, or there weren't diverse people. 849 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,160 It goes the other way too. 850 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,640 Like if you're watching a movie set in Africa before white people ever got there and you 851 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,480 have white people running around, like that's, that's a problem too. 852 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,400 And the only one that really comes to mind and has nothing to do with Africa. 853 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,500 So I don't know why I mentioned that, but the James Bond movie with Sean Connery and 854 00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:10,720 they make him like look Japanese for a portion of the film. 855 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:14,440 And that was like their big thing with Q and then, okay, we're going to make you look Japanese. 856 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,440 And of course he doesn't. 857 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,160 He looks like Sean Connery with, you know, like a bowl cut. 858 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:25,800 And so, I mean, that's probably a very, very low point in the James Bond franchise for 859 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,840 just all things, all things. 860 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:29,840 We're guilty of that. 861 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,160 They even had Marlon Brando playing a Japanese guy in a movie. 862 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,160 Oh yeah. 863 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,160 I remember that. 864 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,160 I remember that. 865 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,160 Just insane. 866 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,160 But, but, but why? 867 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,160 From our perspective, no. 868 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,160 Well, yeah, yeah. 869 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,520 Look at all the cowboy in any movies from the 30s and 40s. 870 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:44,520 And I know there were. 871 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,840 Where all of them were white. 872 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,320 There were no black people and then we know there was a ton of black people in the West. 873 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,320 A lot of black cowboys, you know, ranch hands. 874 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,800 A lot of black cowboys and ranch hands. 875 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,760 Cowboys were kind of outlaws at that time. 876 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,840 And Native Americans are Native Americans, right? 877 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,640 Like there were Comanches in the 20s and 30s and 40s that could have played those actors. 878 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,360 You know, they're just assholes. 879 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,360 They were. 880 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:19,960 And, you know, I'm not up to speed on, you know, how many good or, you know, recognized 881 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,200 Native American actors there were back in the 30s or 40s. 882 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,200 I don't, I don't know. 883 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,200 Me either. 884 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,200 Me either. 885 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,200 And I apologize for that. 886 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,960 I don't, you know, I'm really bad with actors and names and things too. 887 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:35,440 So I'm just going to kind of like play that card and be like, I don't know. 888 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,560 But it kind of brings back to the black, rednecks and white liberals because he's talking about 889 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,000 in there, he talks about like the black colleges. 890 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:48,400 They didn't have black professors because there weren't any black people that had the 891 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,480 qualifications to be black professors yet. 892 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:56,400 You know, so they had white professors come in and teach at these black colleges to get 893 00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:01,280 that the black population to that level of education where they could then take over 894 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,280 and be professors. 895 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:03,280 Sure. 896 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,280 You know. 897 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,280 Yep. 898 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,880 And I, you know, and I just, I don't know, could it have been a similar thing with, you 899 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,120 know, minority or, you know, diverse actors back in the thirties, forties? 900 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,120 I don't know. 901 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,120 I honestly don't know. 902 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,440 Oh, there was, there was a lot of crazy blackface going on. 903 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:18,960 Oh, no, I know that. 904 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,480 I just mean like, you know, I can't think of any, you know, famous Native American actors 905 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:24,480 of that era. 906 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,320 And probably because Hollywood didn't cast them, you know, right. 907 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,760 But you have to do some research on that. 908 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,880 So they would even get rid of the Mexican actors too. 909 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,000 This as well as everybody knows. 910 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,000 Yeah. 911 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,360 There's Mexican cowboys and ranch hands to this day. 912 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:47,120 You know, you're having an all white cast in an area that was diverse traditionally 913 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,280 in real life. 914 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,560 You know, it's crazy. 915 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,880 I did think of a modern movie that had all white actors playing Africans. 916 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,440 It was a, what was it? 917 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:58,440 The Egyptian gods. 918 00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,680 You remember that movie? 919 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,360 It came out, huge blockbuster that flopped. 920 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:03,360 Okay. 921 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,360 And it had all white actors. 922 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,760 It totally sounds like a movie that I wouldn't watch. 923 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,600 Just to be honest with you. 924 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:10,600 I didn't watch it either. 925 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,760 It was like, why do you have all these, this is ridiculous. 926 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,720 Like this is a story about the mythology of Egypt, right? 927 00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:20,640 Like there were no white people there. 928 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,560 So I'm just saying, not, yeah. 929 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:33,880 But then you get the people, you get the people that also will just cry foul, just to cry 930 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:39,960 foul because there was a movie with Rami Malek and he was, he was playing an Egyptian. 931 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,080 It might've actually been night at the museum. 932 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,160 He was playing like one of the Pharaohs or something. 933 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,760 And there was some angry comments. 934 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,640 Like, why do you have a white dude playing this Egyptian person? 935 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:55,680 And somebody was like, that's Rami Malek and he literally is Egyptian. 936 00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:01,920 So, you know, so some people just want to, you know, cry foul for the sake of crying 937 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:02,920 foul. 938 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:03,920 Oh, sure. 939 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:09,200 And I know in the animated world, there was a big push there for a quick minute to get 940 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,600 diverse act voice actors in, to voice cartoon characters. 941 00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:14,600 Yeah. 942 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:20,480 And there's been pushes, you know, to have only, only gay actors can play gay parts and 943 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,360 only transgender people can play transgender parts. 944 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:24,360 Yeah. 945 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:32,000 And I remember that with the Eddie Redmayne movie where he played a transgender and people 946 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,400 were mad that it wasn't a transgender actor. 947 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,400 Sure. 948 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:42,480 And, you know, I don't, you know, I don't know. 949 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,800 People get mad about that, but then they were completely fine with Brokeback Mountain with 950 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:50,360 two straight dudes banging in a tent pretending to be gay, you know. 951 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:51,360 Sure. 952 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,440 But I know there's probably like a whole like sub fetish for that. 953 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,120 Oh, there's, you know, I guarantee you that. 954 00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,120 I bet money. 955 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,120 I bet money. 956 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,120 Well, don't send me links on that. 957 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:04,120 Yep. 958 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:09,880 You know, where do you, where do you draw the line though? 959 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:17,760 Because I don't know, in my opinion, an actor is playing something they're not all the time, 960 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:18,760 all the time. 961 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:19,760 Oh, of course. 962 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,760 It's pretending that you're not gay. 963 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:29,000 And, you know, are we going to get upset every time a gay character is portrayed by a non-gay 964 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,000 actor? 965 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,360 Well, I was upset when in Lord of the Rings, they had all those hobbits and none of those 966 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,360 people were hobbits. 967 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:36,360 All right. 968 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:37,360 You know what? 969 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:38,360 I was so bad about that too. 970 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:46,600 I said we have so many good hobbits running around. 971 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,120 All great actors. 972 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,120 All great actors. 973 00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:50,120 Yeah. 974 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:51,720 Well, and like the Klingons in Star Trek. 975 00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:55,400 I mean, not one of those Klingons was portrayed by an actual Klingon. 976 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,000 Talk about cultural appropriation. 977 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,000 I know. 978 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,000 Yeah, Michael Dorn, pretty sure that's worth. 979 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,000 Yep. 980 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,000 Don't quote me on that. 981 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,000 That's worth. 982 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,240 I will because you're right. 983 00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:13,640 Michael Dorn and his brother, Captain whatever, Kern. 984 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:14,640 Yeah. 985 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,280 Well, they had Christopher Lloyd play a Klingon. 986 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,320 Yes, they did. 987 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,320 Which I thought was fantastic. 988 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:22,320 Yep. 989 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,320 Yep. 990 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,040 Well, as you know, I'm a Star Trek fan. 991 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,040 Yeah. 992 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,160 And I think it's great. 993 00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,440 You know where Star Trek really kind of lost me though? 994 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:40,240 Well, the new movies, because I don't need to go back and see somebody else play Captain 995 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:41,240 Kirk. 996 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:46,840 But I thought the movies were fine except the second one was Wrath of Khan and they 997 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,320 promised us that it wasn't Wrath of Khan. 998 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,200 And then you went into the theater and you saw it and it totally was Wrath of Khan. 999 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,200 Yes. 1000 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,360 You know, Benedict Cumberbatch playing Khan. 1001 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:57,360 And it's the same thing. 1002 00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,840 It's like you're just retelling the movie from before. 1003 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,400 You didn't even write a new movie. 1004 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:11,920 You just you grab the script from Paramount's locker of scripts and you just you made it. 1005 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:19,160 You know, but I just I didn't like the Beastie Boy tracks in a Star Trek movie. 1006 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,160 Sure. 1007 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,160 Right? 1008 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,860 Like he's like he's cruising listen to Beastie Boys and it's like fine. 1009 00:55:24,860 --> 00:55:28,400 But there's been so many other Star Trek movies where they either like you know, they'll do 1010 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:34,320 some classical music or something, you know, like Picard and whatnot. 1011 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,880 But you could invent any kind of music you wanted, like literally any kind of music you 1012 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:38,880 wanted. 1013 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,620 It's a make believe set in the future. 1014 00:55:41,620 --> 00:55:45,520 You could have any any any music you wanted. 1015 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,760 That would require creativity. 1016 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:49,760 And you know what? 1017 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:55,760 I went and saw the new Batman, the Robert Pattinson Batman. 1018 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:56,760 Yes. 1019 00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,280 Which I thought I thought it was very well done. 1020 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,560 It's a three hour movie that does not feel like three hours. 1021 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:10,600 So they did a phenomenal job with the editing and the pacing and and everything. 1022 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,860 The makeup was amazing. 1023 00:56:12,860 --> 00:56:18,100 But they said it's a three hour movie and they played one pop song twice, the same pop 1024 00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:20,600 song twice in the movie. 1025 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,020 It's a Nirvana track. 1026 00:56:23,020 --> 00:56:27,600 And it just like they played it in like the beginning part of the movie, like the first, 1027 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,000 I don't know, hour maybe. 1028 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,840 And I was like, Whoa, what what's going on here? 1029 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,720 Because like Gotham, it's supposed to be, you know, like New York or kind of a combination 1030 00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:39,060 of major American cities. 1031 00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:47,040 But I don't remember ever having them have like real life pop songs. 1032 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,120 You know, so it really was kind of like off putting and I was like that really kind of 1033 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,640 took me out of, you know, the Gotham aesthetic that they had going. 1034 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,240 And then towards the end of the movie, they play the exact same song again. 1035 00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:01,240 And I'm like, Okay, it's a three hour movie granted. 1036 00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:02,240 Yes, yes. 1037 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:06,140 And I understand the radio will play whatever song is popular, they play it, you know, twice 1038 00:57:06,140 --> 00:57:07,400 an hour or something. 1039 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,560 So that's not out of the realm of possibility. 1040 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,320 But it's still is this three hour movie, you can't play the same song twice in a three 1041 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,420 hour movie, you could do an instrumental version first. 1042 00:57:16,420 --> 00:57:19,800 And then over the end credits, play the actual pop song like that's fine. 1043 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:20,800 That's fine with me. 1044 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,480 That's not pulling me out of anything. 1045 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:27,760 It's you know, nice subtle way to include that piece of music in the movie. 1046 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:35,040 But I just that was kind of my biggest complaint about the entire entirety of that movie. 1047 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,640 In the interest of fairness, I would like to go back to Wrath of Khan. 1048 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:39,640 Okay, let's do that. 1049 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,320 Because I thought about this. 1050 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:48,240 So in the remake, Benedict Cumberbatch was a very white British man is playing a character 1051 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:54,600 called Khan, Noonian Soong, who's supposed to be kind of from the India region of the 1052 00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,840 planet Superman from the past, you know, real Vulcan. 1053 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:04,520 And it was originally played by Ricardo Montalban, who was a Mexican. 1054 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:10,560 So in the original, he did not get the character did not get played by a Superman from the 1055 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,080 Pakistan region, let's say. 1056 00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,080 But they could have done that now. 1057 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:19,240 They could have at least cast that character in a way that made sense, not just some like 1058 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,080 skinny white guy. 1059 00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:27,680 You know, he's supposed to be like a superhuman in the context of Star Trek, you know. 1060 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,320 Yeah, I guess here's my question. 1061 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,480 And I'm not doing this because this is what I believe I'm doing this because I want you 1062 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,280 to think on your feet. 1063 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:42,520 And I'm going to try and get you flustered a little bit. 1064 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,280 What if he was shirtless? 1065 00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:48,120 No, no, that's not what I was going to say. 1066 00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:53,080 What if what if the what if the point that they're trying to make with that is that in 1067 00:58:53,080 --> 00:59:00,800 the future that this movie is set in that humanity will be so homogenized that you could 1068 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:08,400 be have that name and look like a skinny white British dude? 1069 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:13,320 I would say that if that was the point, then they wouldn't have all of the other diverse 1070 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,000 actors in the story. 1071 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,360 You know, because they have a Japanese guy with a Japanese name. 1072 00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,760 They have an African woman with an African name. 1073 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:26,080 They have a white guy, you know, from Iowa with a white guy from Iowa name. 1074 00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,680 Yeah, I wasn't saying that because that's what I believe. 1075 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,360 I was just saying, you know, like for the counterpoint, what if that's what you know, 1076 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,680 that's how they're trying to get around lazy screenwriting. 1077 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:39,200 Well, it's lazy casting, lazy screenwriting. 1078 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,800 I mean, lazy all around for sure. 1079 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:49,520 But they could have gotten some bodybuilder, you know, somewhere to play that role who 1080 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:55,280 was actually Indian and not, you know, like a British Indian guy, whatever. 1081 00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,280 I don't care. 1082 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,000 He probably should in an English speaking movie. 1083 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,240 Obviously, he needs to speak English, but he can have an accent. 1084 01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,200 He could have got Gandhi. Gandhi was ripped. 1085 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,200 Right. 1086 01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:07,200 He was ripped. 1087 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,200 Ripped where it mattered. 1088 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:17,880 Well, I was hoping you're going like the brain, but that's not where you're going. 1089 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:22,880 Oh, you mean one of those brilliant guys in like the last hundred years? 1090 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,320 I can't make fun of him a little bit. 1091 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,320 That's not what I'm saying. 1092 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:36,160 But yeah, that's like a perfect example of, well, they should have, I can't believe they 1093 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,440 didn't make a stink about it now that I really think about it, you know? 1094 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:40,440 Yeah. 1095 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:46,880 I mean, you know, it just seems, it does, it seems so kind of, you know, pick and choose. 1096 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:51,200 Like they just, I don't know, they, I don't know who they are, you know, the social justice 1097 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:58,240 warriors or whatever, you know, the thems behind the curtain. 1098 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,520 But, you know, why wouldn't people get upset about that? 1099 01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:07,120 You know, why didn't people get upset about Brokeback Mountain outside of the religious 1100 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:08,120 right? 1101 01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,320 But I mean, for the casting, non-gay people in gay roles. 1102 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:12,320 Right. 1103 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:20,480 There's plenty of extremely attractive gay men in Hollywood that could have played ranchers 1104 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:21,480 in Montana. 1105 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:22,480 Right? 1106 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:23,480 Yeah. 1107 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:28,160 I mean, there's plenty of gay actors that would love to play that role. 1108 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,120 Well, and you know what? 1109 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:31,760 They don't have to necessarily be attractive. 1110 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,920 I mean, that's kind of, isn't that kind of what the point is supposed to be is we don't 1111 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:40,880 have to have like the womanizing of James Bond because, you know, everyone's beautiful 1112 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:41,880 in their own way. 1113 01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:46,560 I mean, I think that's like ideally what people want, but they can't vocalize that. 1114 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:47,760 Possibly. 1115 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:55,440 You know, I met a lot of ranchers in Montana and they're not as attractive as Heath Ledger, 1116 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,440 I can assure you. 1117 01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:05,200 And the women certainly don't look like whatever actresses that are human goddesses they have 1118 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,520 in the movie that I don't even know the names, but I'm sure I'm certain they were attractive. 1119 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:10,520 Yeah. 1120 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:11,520 Certain. 1121 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:12,520 But. 1122 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:26,240 I have a lot two inches left in my cigar and it's still good. 1123 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:35,120 Yeah, I've got probably a little more than two inches just because now that it's not 1124 01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,320 quite so bold. 1125 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,880 Mike, you've been able to outpace me once again. 1126 01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:40,880 Yes. 1127 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,720 Yes, I have. 1128 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:48,280 But we did a lot better, I think this episode, kind of keeping pace with one another. 1129 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:49,280 Yes. 1130 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:54,160 I haven't really had to speed up and I don't think you've slowed down any. 1131 01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,160 No, no, I haven't. 1132 01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:00,080 I've just been casually puffing away. 1133 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,080 Yeah. 1134 01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:02,080 So. 1135 01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:09,240 Yeah, this one's I like this one quite a bit. 1136 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:13,400 Now I have a question for you and I've done no research, so I'm going to sound like a 1137 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,400 total fool. 1138 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:16,400 What happened? 1139 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:17,400 That's why we're here. 1140 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:18,400 Yeah. 1141 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:23,240 Well, if anybody is listening, they can tell we're fools. 1142 01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:30,600 But hopefully somewhere in the middle of the fool spectrum where we're educated enough 1143 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,440 to know when we're being a fool. 1144 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,120 I would, well, you know, at least when it's pointed out, we should. 1145 01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:41,040 Yeah, complete and utter fool, we know. 1146 01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,680 But what happened to Lou Diamond Phillips? 1147 01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:48,840 I would love to tell you if I knew who that was. 1148 01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:54,400 Like I said, I'm very terrible with names to the point that if we're watching a movie, 1149 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:55,400 my wife and I. 1150 01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:59,960 And I can't think of the actor's name who we're watching. 1151 01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:04,920 I'll just pick another actor's name and be like, man, I can't believe so and so is in 1152 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,280 this movie and he's doing such a great job. 1153 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:13,240 And she'll go, that's not that actor. 1154 01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:14,240 It's quite fun. 1155 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,160 She enjoys it a lot. 1156 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,080 And I do. 1157 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:23,800 OK, so refresh my memory on who this person is and then I will tell you what happened 1158 01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:24,800 to them. 1159 01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:25,800 Yes. 1160 01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:30,600 Lou Diamond Phillips played in Young Guns as one of the gang. 1161 01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:36,800 He was one of the Mexican members of the the regulators that rode with Billy the Kid and 1162 01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:37,800 all those characters. 1163 01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:44,320 And he was in a lot of blockbuster type movies in the late 80s and early 90s. 1164 01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,520 For about 20, 30 years, he was gone. 1165 01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:52,400 And now I've been seeing him as like bit roles in some of these like cop dramas that my parents 1166 01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,960 watched during the summertime. 1167 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:59,360 You know, you go and visit them and they'll be watching NCIS, whatever. 1168 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:00,840 And I've seen him in a lot of these shows. 1169 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:05,160 I don't know if he's a regular character on that show particularly or what, but he's kind 1170 01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,360 of disappeared off the earth for a while. 1171 01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,200 I just pulled him up, man. 1172 01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:11,200 And I told you he's right. 1173 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:12,200 I recognize him. 1174 01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:13,200 Like I know him. 1175 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:14,200 Yeah. 1176 01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:15,200 He's even super famous. 1177 01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:20,000 I'm just telling you, I'm terrible with names of actors and musicians. 1178 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,000 Yeah. 1179 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:25,600 There we go. 1180 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:30,880 But yeah, I don't see anything that necessarily explains like his absence. 1181 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:35,640 I guess he's been on some TV stuff and I don't watch a lot of TV things. 1182 01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:40,800 So that's why probably you haven't seen him either if you don't watch TV shows. 1183 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,160 No, I don't watch. 1184 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,440 I watch old sci-fi shows. 1185 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:53,160 From 2012 to 2017, he was on Longmire TV show, but you know, I haven't seen that. 1186 01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,760 So never heard of it. 1187 01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:57,760 Yeah. 1188 01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:58,760 It looks like he went to TV. 1189 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,440 Oh, good for him. 1190 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,720 To explain what happened to him. 1191 01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,560 And I miss him. 1192 01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,560 Yes, I miss him too. 1193 01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:09,560 I miss him too. 1194 01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,360 I miss Emilio Estevez as well. 1195 01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:12,360 And Charlie Sheen. 1196 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:13,760 He's not on there anywhere either. 1197 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:14,760 I love Charlie Sheen. 1198 01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:15,760 Oh, yeah, yeah. 1199 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,680 He's a great crazy guy. 1200 01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:25,840 We did just watch a movie though recently, within the past year or so, year or two, and 1201 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,680 Emilio Estevez was in it. 1202 01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,600 And I think the movie wasn't very good. 1203 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:37,120 I don't recall, but I remember saying like, ah, it was good to see Emilio again. 1204 01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:41,320 But I can't remember what it was. 1205 01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:45,760 The last movie I saw, not the last movie I saw, but one of my favorite movies he was 1206 01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,840 in was Judgment Night. 1207 01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,680 I think that movie is great. 1208 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:53,720 Okay, I haven't seen that one, so I'll have to put that on my list to watch. 1209 01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:59,520 Oh, it's got Cuba Gooding Jr. and Emilio Estevez and Dennis Leary. 1210 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,940 And very good. 1211 01:07:01,940 --> 01:07:06,880 Very good like horror action in a modern setting. 1212 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:07,880 Yes. 1213 01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:15,040 He's got the guy from Entourage, I can't remember his name. 1214 01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,040 My own bad memory with actor's names. 1215 01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:27,440 Yeah, really good like modern horror movie that we watched was The Wolf of Snow Hollow. 1216 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,080 That one was, it was fantastic. 1217 01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:30,680 It was really, really good. 1218 01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:35,480 And that same actor, he wrote, directed, and acted in it. 1219 01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,480 And he also, I think Jim Cummings. 1220 01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:45,800 And he also did one called Thunder Road, which was kind of like based off of the Bruce Springsteen 1221 01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,440 song or that's where it gets his name from. 1222 01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,640 And they never actually use the song in the movie, which is a little bit of a disappointment. 1223 01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:52,960 But that one was good too. 1224 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:54,240 It was completely different. 1225 01:07:54,240 --> 01:08:00,000 It was like The Wolf of Snow Hollow is more of like the creature horror, but it's more 1226 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,480 like funny than horror. 1227 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:09,320 And then the Thunder Road is like a police officer who's on suspension or something, 1228 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:14,200 I don't know, trying to win his daughter. 1229 01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,920 So two very different movies, but they're both excellent. 1230 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:23,040 Might have to start watching movies again. 1231 01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,040 I will have more time this summer. 1232 01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:25,040 I think so. 1233 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:26,040 I think so. 1234 01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:27,040 Yeah. 1235 01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,080 We've been watching Stargate. 1236 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:34,880 The whole Stargate universe of television shows. 1237 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,880 And then also we started watching The Witcher. 1238 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:37,880 Okay. 1239 01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,000 Which I don't know if you've seen that. 1240 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,000 I haven't seen it. 1241 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,480 I wanted to watch it. 1242 01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:45,840 But so here's my thing with like TV series. 1243 01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,360 I am much, much more interested in watching them if they're done. 1244 01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,800 Like if they're done making them. 1245 01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,800 And I think maybe that's why I like British television series more because they typically 1246 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,320 only go for two or three seasons max. 1247 01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:03,720 And then the writers, they go on and do something else and they put out another series. 1248 01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,360 But again, it's only a couple of seasons long. 1249 01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:07,360 So right. 1250 01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:11,160 It's not the Star Trek where it's five shows. 1251 01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:12,160 It's not the Simpsons. 1252 01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:13,160 It's not South Park. 1253 01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:18,200 You don't have to watch like, oh, I want to start with one while they're still going. 1254 01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,840 And they're 30 seasons deep now. 1255 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:21,840 Right. 1256 01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,600 They'll never be off the air. 1257 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:24,600 Well, they will eventually. 1258 01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,840 But I don't know if they will. 1259 01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:31,800 I mean, they're bringing people back with CGI and, you know, who's to say they won't 1260 01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:38,080 like bequeath the Simpsons property to somebody else to keep it going? 1261 01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:39,080 Sure. 1262 01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,440 That's possible. 1263 01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:47,360 I know that if you when you do watch The Witcher, it is very rated, mature, quote unquote, a 1264 01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,360 lot of sex and swearing and violence. 1265 01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:56,800 So not that you wouldn't watch with the kids. 1266 01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:58,880 Not a good one to watch with the kids. 1267 01:09:58,880 --> 01:09:59,880 Oh, yeah. 1268 01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:00,880 Probably not. 1269 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:01,880 It's good. 1270 01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,520 There's another show that has a diverse casting that makes sense. 1271 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:05,520 OK. 1272 01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,520 I mean, that's based on a video game. 1273 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:08,520 It's based on a video game. 1274 01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:12,440 It's based on a series of novels written by a Polish dude. 1275 01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:13,440 Oh, OK. 1276 01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:19,440 And he's a I after I watched the show, you know, of course, I did the Internet rabbit 1277 01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:20,440 hole. 1278 01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:21,440 Yeah. 1279 01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:24,320 And he's apolitical, you know, type of guy. 1280 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,080 So yeah, very interesting. 1281 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:34,880 And I know that he has criticized the English translations of his works for not having an 1282 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,920 accurate language, I guess. 1283 01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:38,920 That's you know, translations. 1284 01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:39,920 That's always interesting. 1285 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:45,840 I know that I really enjoy Marcus Aurelius. 1286 01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:55,640 And when I was researching which edition of of his his journal in Meditations to get, 1287 01:10:55,640 --> 01:11:02,040 I went down so many rabbit holes on which translation was, you know, quote unquote, 1288 01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:09,360 the best or the truest to the original text. 1289 01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,800 So what's the answer? 1290 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:17,960 The answer is that there are two very good ones. 1291 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:24,040 I've only read the one, but there is a newer one that just came out within the past year 1292 01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:28,880 or so, a new translation and a new edition and everything. 1293 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:34,440 And I guess that one's very well done. 1294 01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:37,800 I don't I don't know which edition I have. 1295 01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,360 I'll look I'll look right now, but we can keep talking. 1296 01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:41,360 Absolutely. 1297 01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,360 You should read it in Latin. 1298 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:44,360 That's the answer. 1299 01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:45,360 Read it in Latin. 1300 01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:50,520 That way you don't you don't lose anything. 1301 01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:51,520 I guess so. 1302 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:52,520 Except the language. 1303 01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:53,520 Right. 1304 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,200 Well, Latin's not that difficult to read. 1305 01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,840 But it's dead. 1306 01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:00,840 It's dead. 1307 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:01,840 It is dead. 1308 01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:06,200 But you can find all the Catholic texts and stuff in Latin still. 1309 01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:07,720 It's dead, Jim. 1310 01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:08,720 It's dead. 1311 01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:21,160 Sorry for the dead air. 1312 01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,720 I was yelling from the dog to come inside. 1313 01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:24,720 Oh, yeah. 1314 01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,680 So here it is. 1315 01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:37,360 It is the Meditations, a new translation, and it's it's only eight bucks on Amazon. 1316 01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:44,120 Not a sponsor. 1317 01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:48,960 Someday we'll be on Bezos's super yacht that they tore a bridge down to. 1318 01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:53,600 Yeah, he's going to come and he's going to slap me silly with a copy of this book because 1319 01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:59,360 I didn't give him any money for mentioning a book that he sells. 1320 01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:04,480 But OK, so it's Gregory Hayes. 1321 01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:07,080 It's the Gregory Hayes translation. 1322 01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,480 And that's the one that I read. 1323 01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:14,400 And then there's a newer one, which might be hardcover, might have extra like little 1324 01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,280 footnotes and things. 1325 01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,200 But I've I've heard that it's good. 1326 01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,200 So therefore it must be. 1327 01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:26,000 Well, everything you read on the Internet is true. 1328 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,000 Yeah. 1329 01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:28,000 So here it is. 1330 01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:33,280 The new one that I want to read is the Marcus Aurelius Meditations, the annotated edition 1331 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:38,120 translated by Robin Waterfield. 1332 01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,320 And so I hear that one is a nice translation, too. 1333 01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:45,360 And with the annotations gives you a little bit more to go on. 1334 01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:46,360 Sure. 1335 01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:47,360 Interesting. 1336 01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:55,400 Yeah, I've read the Penguin Classics edition years ago. 1337 01:13:55,400 --> 01:14:00,000 OK, I'm not sure if that's a good translation or not, to be fully honest. 1338 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,080 Yeah, I'm not sure. 1339 01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:08,240 You know, I guess on some level, on some level, if you're reading something, something like 1340 01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:12,320 that anyway, it's probably better than not reading that. 1341 01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:20,360 But you could certainly get more true to what what was intended by getting a one of the 1342 01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,840 higher rated translations, I suppose. 1343 01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:24,840 Sure. 1344 01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:29,760 But it's interesting that, you know, Marcus Aurelius, this was basically his journal. 1345 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:36,720 So it's not like he was writing it for publication or even intending anyone else to ever see 1346 01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:37,720 it. 1347 01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:38,720 Right. 1348 01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,920 Yeah, I'm aware that a lot of it was. 1349 01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:47,960 Like he wrote it on horseback a lot of times when he was, you know, traveling. 1350 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:49,960 Oh, really? 1351 01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:50,960 Yeah. 1352 01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:52,960 Very interesting. 1353 01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:54,960 Very interesting. 1354 01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,480 I didn't know that. 1355 01:14:57,480 --> 01:15:01,280 I know that a lot of it was not so much. 1356 01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:05,200 It was like him triding himself because he was making mistakes. 1357 01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:06,200 Yeah. 1358 01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:07,200 He was reminding himself. 1359 01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:08,200 It was very self-affective. 1360 01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,200 To not make those mistakes. 1361 01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:12,200 Yes. 1362 01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:13,200 Yes. 1363 01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:14,360 And mistakes, yes. 1364 01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:23,300 And also, you know, he's part of the Stoic philosophy, Stoicism, and one of the big critiques 1365 01:15:23,300 --> 01:15:29,160 of people that haven't really researched much about Stoicism is that they think that these 1366 01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:34,520 people are emotionless or strive to be because, you know, oh, he was Stoic, you know, and 1367 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:39,440 as somebody who's like in the face of great emotional turmoil and they, you know, they 1368 01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:42,600 stay like, you know, poker faced basically through it. 1369 01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:49,320 But really it's embracing your emotions, but not letting them carry you away or carry your 1370 01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,280 thought process away. 1371 01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:55,000 And so there's a lot of that kind of like self-chiding in there too. 1372 01:15:55,000 --> 01:16:02,240 Like, oh, I was angry about this and I shouldn't have made this decision in anger, you know, 1373 01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,040 kind of things like that. 1374 01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:05,040 Yep. 1375 01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:11,320 Well, my cigar at about an inch and a half is now starting to get sour. 1376 01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:12,320 Yep. 1377 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:17,240 Mine's sour and I've got, I have maybe about two inches. 1378 01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:18,960 Oh, okay. 1379 01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:23,800 But it's just, I could just, when you said that I could just, I just took a puff and 1380 01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:29,200 I just kind of got a little hint, little hint of sour. 1381 01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:30,200 Just a touch. 1382 01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:31,200 So I know it's coming. 1383 01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,200 Yes, it is coming. 1384 01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,200 Bitterness, bitterness. 1385 01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:37,200 Yep. 1386 01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:38,200 Yep. 1387 01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:43,000 So maybe I'll slow down and see if that fixes it. 1388 01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:44,000 Possibly so. 1389 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:53,040 But yeah, this one, it stayed lit the whole time, very even burn for me on this one. 1390 01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:58,560 You know, after I knocked the initial ash off, it re-evened up. 1391 01:16:58,560 --> 01:16:59,560 Oh, perfect. 1392 01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:04,600 And now it's very, very, very, very even smoke. 1393 01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,800 And the box pressing rounded off towards the end there. 1394 01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,160 Yes, mine did as well. 1395 01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:19,200 Yeah, I would say, you know, there are some cigars you can smoke pretty close to the end 1396 01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:21,440 and they taste great all the way through. 1397 01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:23,920 I don't know that this is going to be one of those though. 1398 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:27,920 No, I'm about done with it to be honest with you. 1399 01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,440 It's starting to get that dirt taste. 1400 01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:31,440 Oh, yep. 1401 01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:32,440 Yep. 1402 01:17:32,440 --> 01:17:36,720 Which is, you know, the sign, the sign to be done, which is fine. 1403 01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:37,720 Yeah, that's fine. 1404 01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:41,360 It's time for me to be done smoking. 1405 01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:42,360 Yes. 1406 01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,720 But yeah, all in all, it was an enjoyable cigar. 1407 01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:50,600 I thought it was a lot more consistent throughout. 1408 01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:55,440 Yes, it was very consistent, consistently good. 1409 01:17:55,440 --> 01:18:01,280 There was no wasted space, so to speak. 1410 01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:02,280 So very good. 1411 01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:03,280 That's true. 1412 01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:09,520 I would recommend it to anyone, I suppose. 1413 01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,400 I'll have to send you a care package here. 1414 01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:18,120 Yeah, I'll have to send one your way or maybe we should try and, I don't know, meet up in 1415 01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:19,120 person. 1416 01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:20,120 We could. 1417 01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:21,120 We definitely could do that. 1418 01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:27,560 I know that next weekend I am busy as usual, but I will be coming down mid April to the 1419 01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:28,560 cities. 1420 01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:33,160 We'll be going up, I think mid April because that's my wife's birthday. 1421 01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:34,480 Oh, yeah. 1422 01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:38,400 So we'll have to coordinate some schedules there. 1423 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:39,400 Yeah. 1424 01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,920 She's not old enough for me to lie about her age yet. 1425 01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:49,920 So over the weekend I had a friend turn 53 and we're all like, oh, he's 33 now. 1426 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,200 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 1427 01:18:52,200 --> 01:19:00,760 We had our neighbors over and he likes cigars and pipes as well and he's 51. 1428 01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,600 We have a lot of older friends though. 1429 01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:07,640 Most of the people we hang out with are like one of my best buddies. 1430 01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:16,040 We watch a lot of shitty movies together and he's eight years older than I am. 1431 01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:19,040 Most of my friends are older. 1432 01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:23,960 I've got a couple of good friends that are in their 50s and stuff. 1433 01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,880 Of course, you're what, 62 now? 1434 01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,320 Yes, yes I am 62. 1435 01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:30,320 Oh my God. 1436 01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,520 I guess I'd be close to retirement. 1437 01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:34,520 That's a positive. 1438 01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:35,520 Yeah. 1439 01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,320 So I don't know why I'm still smoking this cigar. 1440 01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,720 It should be done too. 1441 01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,720 Perfect. 1442 01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,640 Yeah, anyone younger than me, well, okay. 1443 01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:54,360 So any female I ever talk about is always 21 and I've never had any complaints from 1444 01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:59,260 the females whether they're younger than 21 or older than 21. 1445 01:19:59,260 --> 01:20:01,960 They all seem to like 21 as a number. 1446 01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:05,720 That does seem to be the peak age. 1447 01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:06,720 It's a safe bet. 1448 01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,720 Yes, yes it is. 1449 01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:20,480 A very safe bet, especially when you know she's not 21. 1450 01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:22,560 Well I suppose we got to wrap it up. 1451 01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:23,560 Yeah. 1452 01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:34,560 So yeah, I think if you do the Punch 1840 Diablo, that is a wise investment for something 1453 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:40,400 that is a little bolder and darker than other cigars. 1454 01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,600 Yeah, than average. 1455 01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,920 There's certainly darker cigars than this one out there. 1456 01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:52,720 But this one is if you like the bolder and darker flavor, this is a good one. 1457 01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:53,720 Absolutely. 1458 01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:58,240 All right, well join us next episode where we talk about... 1459 01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:01,360 Who knows, whatever we talk about. 1460 01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:02,360 Who knows? 1461 01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:03,360 We'll figure it out. 1462 01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:04,360 We will figure it out. 1463 01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,960 We'll figure it out and you will find out. 1464 01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,760 Do you have any Kentucky shrews at home? 1465 01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:12,200 No, I don't. 1466 01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,120 But here's what I wanted to do with that. 1467 01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:18,380 Okay, so our episode format is basically we light a cigar, smoke the cigar. 1468 01:21:18,380 --> 01:21:21,760 When we're done with the cigar, the episode's done. 1469 01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:25,120 Which I think is great because we can talk about the stuff that we normally talk about. 1470 01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:29,600 I mean, for Mike and myself here, this is when we get together and smoke cigars in the 1471 01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,640 same room or the same space, that's what we do. 1472 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:37,800 We light it and then we just talk about all sorts of things. 1473 01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:42,480 We're a little more focused for these podcasts here than we are in real life. 1474 01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:44,400 Yes, we are. 1475 01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:48,760 But what I was thinking about for the shrews, because they're smaller and you can smoke 1476 01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:50,520 them quickly. 1477 01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:55,800 I wanted to do a shrew showdown where we get the Kentucky shrews that we like, but we've 1478 01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:56,800 been eyeing. 1479 01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:04,280 We've been eyeing on pipesandcigars.com, not a sponsor, some other shrew packs. 1480 01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,000 If you bought a different pack and I bought a different pack, we'd have three different 1481 01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:12,040 shrews and we could do a three shrew episode where we smoke three shrews. 1482 01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:13,040 We could cut them in half, whatever. 1483 01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:17,480 I don't know how long we think we need to be smoking them. 1484 01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:22,240 But then we could give our thoughts and say, hey, these shrews, they're all around the 1485 01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,360 same price point or this one's a little more expensive. 1486 01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:26,360 Is it worth it? 1487 01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:27,360 Isn't it worth it? 1488 01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:28,360 Which of these is best? 1489 01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:29,360 Sure. 1490 01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:30,360 I like that idea. 1491 01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:31,360 All right. 1492 01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:34,080 That will be coming up sometime. 1493 01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:35,080 Sometime in the future. 1494 01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:36,080 Yes. 1495 01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:37,080 Sometime in the future. 1496 01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:47,800 I'm going to wrap this episode up and then we will see you next episode.