1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:18,560 Welcome to the first episode of Dice Ashes. 2 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:19,560 I'm Nate. 3 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:20,560 I'm Mike. 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:26,640 And what we're going to do on this podcast is we're going to both smoke the same cigar 5 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,640 and give you notes throughout the episode and the episode will last as long as the cigar 6 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:31,640 does. 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,240 So, Mike, what are we smoking tonight? 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:40,200 We are smoking Flathead 660s by CAO. 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:45,480 These happen to be one of my favorite reasonably priced cigars, moderately priced. 10 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:48,920 It's not crazy expensive, but it's not a cheaper leader. 11 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:49,920 And they're a little flatter. 12 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:58,080 It's a six inch box pressed cigar with a blunt nose. 13 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,080 They're good. 14 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,280 I would suggest everybody have one. 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:03,280 You got yours. 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:04,280 We'd start with something safe. 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,280 Yes, I do. 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:06,280 Me as well. 19 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:11,960 I put a cross cut, a cross cut on the tip with a V cutter. 20 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:13,960 Mike rocks the V cut. 21 00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:19,880 Yeah, Mike rocks the V cut and I just do the straight guillotine for right now. 22 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,400 He has yet to convince me. 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,320 That's one of our biggest arguments in life. 24 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:30,760 Well, it's a pressing issue on today's political scene. 25 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:31,760 Yes. 26 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:36,800 If we could solve cross cut, V cut versus straight cut, I don't know. 27 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,560 The government would never shut down and there'd be peace on earth. 28 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:41,560 Yes. 29 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,240 And definitely goodwill towards all men. 30 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:46,240 And women. 31 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:54,360 Now, it's open for a lot of my V cut versus cross cut. 32 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:55,440 So what are your initial impressions? 33 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,800 I know we both smoked this one before. 34 00:01:58,800 --> 00:01:59,880 We have. 35 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,760 I don't like the first half an inch or so on these. 36 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,080 Yeah, the initial is a little, it's a little bitter. 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:15,360 Yeah, they start off a little bitter, but they really improve the rope of cigar, I think. 38 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:20,800 So I'm not saying you have to power through the first half an inch, but it's not going 39 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:21,800 to be that impressive. 40 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:22,800 I've heard that before. 41 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:28,440 You have a half an inch to power through? 42 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,840 Well, it helps to get it in a little bit, you know. 43 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,520 They will find this interesting. 44 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,960 My dog is watching me through the window of our porch. 45 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,920 Yeah, I suppose we should talk a little bit about our smoke setup. 46 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:48,520 So Mike's got a really nice screened in kind of insulated porch. 47 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,800 And then I'm sitting out in a snowbank because we're both in Minnesota. 48 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:58,120 But I don't smoke in my house because we've got a toddler and we've got a little fire 49 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,480 pit ring out here. 50 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,960 And I've got that kind of going. 51 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:02,960 It's kind of getting going now. 52 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,160 I was a little worried about five minutes ago. 53 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:10,320 Yeah, I have a four season's porch with a knotty pine. 54 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,160 We're on a wall, a ceiling and of course heaters and everything. 55 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,720 So I won't be getting cold, fortunately. 56 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:23,280 Of course, it's a balmy like 35 here today in Minneapolis. 57 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,320 So perfect for sitting in a snowbank with a cigar. 58 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:28,760 It was beautiful today. 59 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:33,960 I was hot wearing a sweatshirt, funnily enough, that time of year. 60 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,040 See, now I'm about half an inch in and it's starting to taste pretty good. 61 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,040 Mike's a fast smoker. 62 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,480 I'm a little slower. 63 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,960 But we want you to know whatever speed you smoke, that's OK with us. 64 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:53,240 Yes, we accept all speed of smokers here. 65 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,840 So maybe we should give everyone a little bit of background on ourselves. 66 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:57,840 Sure. 67 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,820 Do you want to go first? 68 00:04:01,820 --> 00:04:05,780 Not really, but I can. 69 00:04:05,780 --> 00:04:11,840 So I'm Nate Phillips and I got a degree in film and video, which is very helpful in the 70 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,600 job market. 71 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:30,320 35, like cigars and like movies, videos, music, board games, sarcasm, that sort of thing. 72 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,680 We can tell the story about how we met and kind of why we named our podcast what we named. 73 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,120 So why don't you tell a little bit about yourself, Mike? 74 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,120 Sure. 75 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:39,120 I am 34. 76 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:45,800 I dropped out of college right before my capstone class to go work in the oil field in North 77 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:46,800 Dakota. 78 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:53,520 Then I got my electrical license out there and now I do maintenance full time with no 79 00:04:53,520 --> 00:05:00,040 intention of ever trying to become a school teacher, which is what I was planning on doing. 80 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,200 Did my student teaching and everything. 81 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,880 I just couldn't do it. 82 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:04,880 I hated it. 83 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:05,880 Did I know that? 84 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,640 Did I know you were going to be a teacher? 85 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,400 I don't remember. 86 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:10,400 I don't remember. 87 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,040 I know that's what I went to school for. 88 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,040 It didn't work out, obviously. 89 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,200 Okay, say I left what's it? 90 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,760 Four credit short-term degree. 91 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:28,440 So I can pursue the almighty dollar as we do. 92 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,360 And we didn't necessarily get along when we first met, so it wouldn't have been out of 93 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,560 the realm of possibility for me not to have known that information about you. 94 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:36,560 That is true. 95 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:37,560 That is true. 96 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:48,160 I guess I'm a big time bowler and I smoke cigars and run a little, not even a hobby 97 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,160 farm. 98 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:54,840 It's just legally it's a hobby farm, but it is not really a hobby farm. 99 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:58,680 We'll ask any of our IRS listeners to please stop the podcast now. 100 00:05:58,680 --> 00:05:59,920 Yes, yes, yes. 101 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:05,440 It is legally a farm because somebody farms it, but I do not. 102 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,760 So there we go. 103 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:12,480 I live in Northern Minnesota. 104 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,160 And we met at the bowling alley. 105 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,520 We did. 106 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:18,520 We did. 107 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:19,680 And we did not get along. 108 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:20,760 We did not. 109 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:26,860 And I think we could sum it up without getting into a lot of name calling and kind of angry 110 00:06:26,860 --> 00:06:35,680 words on our first inaugural podcast by saying that when it comes to bowling, Mike is a by-the-book 111 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:42,360 rules follower and I'm just not. 112 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:43,360 That is true. 113 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:48,480 I have coached several people throughout my life. 114 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,160 I started bowling in leagues when I was four. 115 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:57,520 And I've coached teenagers now occasionally and my cousins are the head high school coaches 116 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,280 in the area. 117 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:03,120 And I firmly believe that there are right things to do and wrong things to do in bowling. 118 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,520 And it's worked for me. 119 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:17,600 So I was taught by my dad and that generation who are all Vietnam vets and they were very, 120 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:29,440 veryTRS and not very well Fahrenheit and silver salute, are you able to get to him? 121 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,440 Yeah. 122 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,660 So, at times like these bowling schools are the best right? 123 00:07:34,660 --> 00:07:39,920 A lot of you are all dissipating from your bowl accurate every year. 124 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:45,000 our bowling scores probably reflect which is the better methodology there. 125 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:51,080 Yes. Although I don't think we've ever bowled again since then because we tried 126 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:56,300 and we took a walk, tried to take a walk while smoking some cigars to a bowling 127 00:07:56,300 --> 00:08:02,420 alley and we kind of, it wasn't really accosted but we did get approached. We 128 00:08:02,420 --> 00:08:09,320 did. By Vikings Dam. Yes but I'm talking about before that guy. We'll talk about 129 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,480 Vikings Dam but we were walking and there's an older gentleman on the other 130 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,520 side of the street and he like shouted nice ash because we had, I don't know 131 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,400 what we were smoking but we had some bigger ones and and then he came over 132 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,880 and we had to talk all about the cigars and stuff because I guess that it's not 133 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:31,240 very common to see people walking around smoking cigars anymore. No it is not and 134 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:39,120 we probably stick out even in the metro area. We stick out. Yeah well I'm 135 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:49,880 6'6 and you had your pink bowling backpack on. Yes I did. Which then we... I'm 6 feet tall and bearded. 136 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:56,200 Sometimes I'm bearded and sometimes I'm not. Yes. Depends. This this past winter I 137 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:01,120 had a really nice beard gone and I was doing a little trim and my my trim guard 138 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:07,160 fell off the the razor and I couldn't stop it in time and so I immediately put 139 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:12,000 it down and and went to my wife and she took one look and started 140 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,480 laughing her ass off and I was like okay I guess it's noticeable I'm gonna have 141 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:20,880 to shave the rest of this off then. I couldn't even do like it was just in 142 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,800 that one spot where you can't do anything with it you can't save it it's 143 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:31,960 gone like it's done. Yeah the beard trimming accidents. I like having a beard. 144 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:37,480 I couldn't have a beard for a lot of years working in the oil field and now I 145 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:43,640 pretty much rock it full-time. I had a pretty impressive beard there during 146 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,640 COVID. I don't know how long it was. Had to have been four inches long. Yeah it was 147 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:52,920 good. It was quite large yeah but. It wasn't near as tickly as I thought. I thought it 148 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:59,000 was gonna be more scratchy tickly but. Yes. No it's soft and I get the Father 149 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:05,320 Christmas beard going on. This is the big poof ball. Yeah. It just got in the way. I 150 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:10,120 don't know how guys do it. I commend them I guess for their commitment to the 151 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:18,280 bearded lifestyle but. Yeah it is a lifestyle. It is. It is. I always like mine you know 152 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:23,920 neater. I don't like the even in the winter it gets hot and sweaty you know I 153 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:32,840 think. If you let it go too long. I never had issues with that. It was issues with everything else you know. 154 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:50,840 Do elaborate. You zip it up your jacket. Oh okay yeah. You zip up your jacket and you zip your beard in. You have to put your clothes on and then you have to brush your beard you know to get it not all flailed everywhere. When you eat or drink you can get it in your mouth. 155 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:56,520 You know it's so long and it's right in the way of everything that's around your face. 156 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:04,840 Yeah beards. Beard still talking about. Yes yes beard still. So I just don't have the 157 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:11,320 patience for hair maintenance ever since I went bald. Just keep it short and then 158 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:17,080 I don't have to worry about it. I don't know if you know this but I have not had a 159 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:23,840 haircut at a salon since 2015. I went in for a cut because I had to go to a 160 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,960 wedding in India. So I went to a professional and had my hair touched up 161 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:36,360 because my friend wanted us to look a specific way for his month-long wedding. 162 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:42,960 So I went and got it professionally done but even before then I all throughout 163 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:50,040 college I cut my own hair with a razor and now I haven't cut it either. I 164 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:56,840 hadn't cut my hair since the start of COVID actually at all. Nice. I always just 165 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,160 either do it myself in our own bathroom here. My wife does it you know. 166 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:06,000 Ever since I went bald it was silly to spend you know like even the 18 bucks or 167 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:13,360 whatever it is on the buzz cut at the at the hair place. Yeah James and I, James is 168 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:20,000 a friend of mine. I've been friends with him since we were children and we went 169 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,920 to college together. We were roommates for our listeners to know and he's a 170 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,240 he's an interesting character. I'm sure that if anybody is listening they'll hear 171 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,760 stories about him. He's the one that lives in the cabin with no water or 172 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,520 electricity. He is yes. Yep he's the one that lives with no water or electricity. 173 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:42,560 He does technically have a one outlet now because he ran a 150 foot power cord 174 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:48,960 to a service that he had reconnected. It's enough to charge a cell phone. It is. It is. 175 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:55,320 Yes it's enough to charge a cell phone enough to run a tabletop stove you know 176 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:00,200 on those little burners. That's what he heats his room with is the one of those 177 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:05,240 in a fan over the top to blow the heater on circulate the heat in his room. Yep 178 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:12,280 anyone from that county listening that's not what he does. If you're in the government there. 179 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:19,000 Or the state we don't know where he lives. Yeah we don't know the state. We don't know his last name. 180 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:26,800 We do not know his last name. I know that he's one of fun fact he's one of 181 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:33,160 three people that voted on the socialist ticket in our county. He voted for the 182 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,760 socialist ticket last presidential election and I voted for Kanye West and 183 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,600 we compared the numbers and there was three people that voted socialist and 184 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,680 like 70 people that voted for Kanye. I bet you're feeling pretty dumb right now 185 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:50,520 because now he's yay or ye. Sure you're sure you know I just thought that he was 186 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:58,360 the most coherent candidate at the time. And he probably was. He may still be. 187 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,960 Objectively I think that he is yes. I'm waiting for the Netflix documentary 188 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,240 about him to come out so I can gain a deeper understanding of him and his 189 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:15,960 worldview. Yes a very interesting character. But yeah so anyway back to 190 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:21,680 James and I. James started buzzing his hair and then in college we didn't have 191 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,920 any money. We were eating out of a dumpster full-time. So we just started. I'd 192 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:32,440 start a buzz cutting my hair. That's why I got the crazy expensive trimmer. 193 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:37,480 Because you know if you're gonna commit to the lifestyle you might as well get a 194 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,600 good one. That's my attitude. So yeah otherwise he ended up buying. We had one 195 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,840 that was a rechargeable one for a while. It was the cheapest one at the store 196 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,880 you know. And it was rechargeable. It's like hey cool they don't have to mess with 197 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,400 the cord and everything like that. And it just it wouldn't last the whole 198 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,560 the whole haircut. And then it started like grabbing my hair and yanking and 199 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,640 pulling. I wasn't even in the bedroom. So got rid of that one and got one of the 200 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:09,320 corded ones. Sure yeah I got it's an Oster brand and it's one of the ones 201 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,480 that are made in America that you can replace the the razor blades. Oh yeah 202 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,160 yeah. Which they shouldn't because they're all like self sharpening I think. 203 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,920 Yeah and I oil it. I clean it and oil it every time I use it. I still trim my 204 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:27,000 beard with it to get it all level. Oh yeah. So and I'm sure that I'll start 205 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:35,160 cutting my hair short again someday. My hair is past my shoulders now but I'm 206 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:43,040 sure that I will get the buzz cut again at some point. Especially if I start 207 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,280 to go bald. If I start to go bald I'm gonna do the Picard. Yeah the Picard's a 208 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,960 good look. Yeah it is. It is perfectly acceptable especially when you have a 209 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:59,600 wife. Yeah as long as the wife is happy I don't care what I look like for the most 210 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:06,000 part. Right. But I'm not quite I'm not quite to the point of going out yet and 211 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:11,760 and having her say are you are you wearing that out in public? You know 212 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,440 sometimes like the dads the older dads you know they got their pure white new 213 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:21,360 balance shoes with the socks up to their calves and like jean shorts or something 214 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:26,280 and they're like going out to the store you know. I will get that occasionally. I 215 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:31,120 will not tell a lie. I will not tell a lie. I'll uh you know be working around the 216 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:36,520 house or something and I'll just have my work pants on. Which are always carpenter 217 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:41,120 jeans and a ripped up t-shirt and I'll have a pair of Birkin Stocks on or 218 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:47,560 something and Sarah will make me change before we go into town. The other fun the 219 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,320 other fun thing we should probably mention is my wife's name is Sarah and 220 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,960 your wife's name is Sarah so it's just up to the listener to guess which Sarah 221 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,960 we're talking about because we're all friends and hang out so. Yes. And that's 222 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:05,440 before the show. We met through my Sarah because she brought me to the bowling 223 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:10,400 alley where Mike was. Yeah. And said here's a hairy bastard you should get 224 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:17,680 to know. Yeah. I am a hairy bastard too. And now I know him. Yeah and now we know 225 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:23,400 each other. I bowled a tournament this weekend. It's tournament season for 226 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:28,960 those of those people who don't know that bowling has a tournament season for 227 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:34,120 about two months at the end of the regular season. Springtime. I bowled the 228 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:37,040 tournament this weekend and I want all my money back in gameplay if you can 229 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:43,480 believe it. Wow. That's good. Yeah. Team we took third which I don't know how 230 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:48,080 much money it's gonna be and then doubles my aunt and I took a word first 231 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:56,240 at the end of the day. So congratulations. Yeah in the in the scratch division so 232 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:02,960 or a division A which uh where we average is 179 or something like that 233 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:09,480 and mine's much higher so we obviously we qualified for scratch. Not that it's 234 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,200 obvious to anybody who doesn't know anything about bowling but it's similar 235 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:21,080 to golf with the handicap system. And you want the lowest score possible. Yeah. 236 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:25,880 Oh I guess. Have I been doing that wrong? Have I been doing that wrong? I'm not 237 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:31,200 trying to get zeros. Yeah it's like that the whole one hundred collect perfect zero 238 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:36,720 or whatever. Yeah I always I always remember the 10 10 to 20 from I don't 239 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,080 know late 90s you know it was like Terry Bradshaw and he's like yeah 10 10 to 20 240 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,680 you know you call this and you get however much phone time for a minute or 241 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:52,200 something or for a dollar. Yeah yeah I took my nephew to the theater and he is 242 00:18:52,200 --> 00:19:00,880 17 now. And what'd you see? Well what the heck did we see? Some inane teenager film 243 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:05,760 that I wasn't interested in watching. Some superhero film. I'm not into that. Okay. Well he 244 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:10,360 wanted to go and he never gets to go to the theater for some reason because he 245 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:15,520 works all the time probably. Yeah. So we went to hang out and I showed him all the 246 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:22,480 area where the phones used to be as people who are our age know before you 247 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,040 know high school or even in high school there were no cell phones. I always used to go and check all the coin 248 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,960 returns to see if there's a quarter I could get a gumball with or something. 249 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:39,520 But oh my. It reminds me of going to the casino and getting a penny tickets and 250 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:45,960 get building them up so we can get some money to gamble. But James and I used to 251 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:52,160 do that. We used to walk around the casino and get drunk. We were not 252 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:58,240 illegally drinking underage in high school. Mike's old for his age. 253 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:03,160 Everyone should know. He's very old for his age. I did not graduate high school until I 254 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:11,680 was 21 years old. But yeah we'd smoke and walk around and pick up penny tickets so 255 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,080 we could get enough money to gamble because we could afford to drive to the casino 256 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:22,680 which was not very far away but we couldn't afford to gamble. So which I'm 257 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,560 sure is a thing that most people have done who grew up in the area that had 258 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:38,320 casinos. But so very entertaining. Are we gonna talk about the impending doom of 259 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:44,440 World War III? Why not? I thought I was gonna I was gonna lead with that but 260 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,240 then I thought you know what that's what they're gonna expect us to do. Everybody 261 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,880 every one of our fans and followers they're gonna say you know what we're 262 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:56,720 only listening to this to talk about the Ukraine and we had to make them wait you 263 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,720 know 20 minutes. Speaking of we should do a quick Stokey chat. Oh I was thinking 264 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:10,320 mine's very nice and mellowed out now. Yes I smoked oh I got four and a half 265 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:16,040 inches left so I'm an inch each and a half in and it is very pleasant now very 266 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:22,520 smooth. Yeah this is really the best part of this cigar once you get past that 267 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:32,080 initial like Mike was saying. It is it is not a Gurka. It is not a Gurka. So you 268 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,760 you got that cigar did you get the Gurka pack a couple years ago? Yeah I got the 269 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:43,520 Gurka pack. We don't have any sponsors but we do like the pipes and cigars.com 270 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,120 for bigger buys bulk buys kind of not not quite bulk I mean Mike goes bulk with 271 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:55,000 them but you can get a good packs good samplers. Yes and we got at the same 272 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:00,280 time we got the 20 cigar sampler smoked them yeah and gave each other notes and 273 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:04,880 I still have some left. And we swapped some sticks too we swapped some sticks because they 274 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,960 gave you a couple of duplicates I think. Yes they did. Or was this they were 275 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,840 running a sale or is like you get so many sticks for like 15 bucks for 276 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,920 whatever? Yeah yeah. They run some deals like that. They run deals like that we did that 277 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,880 also but I still have some those Gurkas left if you can believe it in the bottom 278 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,600 of my big humidor. I can believe it you've got you've got a lot more sticks 279 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,040 than I have. Yes. This last this past summer we hung out a lot more and we 280 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,960 ended up smoking a lot more so I've been trying this winter to kind of 281 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:44,840 restock for this summer. Yes. Yes World War Three. World War Three. So it'd be cool if 282 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:50,800 it'd be cool if like we didn't have to get involved but I think I think here's 283 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:57,600 what I think. I think that there are people and I think I need to say this 284 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,840 upfront is there are people that are very heavily invested in one side or 285 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:10,040 the other whether that starts with an R or a D and the thing is that politics 286 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:17,040 and the world is not R&D. It's not black and white. There's lots of other things. I 287 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:23,360 personally hate all politicians and because they all lie and they don't care 288 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:28,480 about us they just want more money and so when Biden came on and said we're 289 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:34,200 cutting off our importation of Russian oil and it's gonna cost money and and 290 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:39,560 freedom cost money and you know yeah I understand things cost money but we 291 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,960 don't import that much from Russia for it to even make a difference at the 292 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:57,920 pumps. Yes. But here we are. But here we are. I I do fear that we will 293 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:05,640 potentially get involved. I think it's a terrible decision. I don't really care 294 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:12,720 what happens in Ukraine. Not that I support any military invading any other 295 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:20,360 country for almost any reason. Almost any reason. Almost any reason. The United 296 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:25,680 States which we are both from Minnesota but you're not originally from 297 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,720 Minnesota you're from that horrible cheesy. I was born in Minnesota but I 298 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:37,520 lived across the river. Oh that's right. That's right. Yes that's right. So do do 299 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:43,760 with that what you will listeners. Yes yes. So I think like on one hand let's 300 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:50,280 just say growing up on a lot of John Wayne movies and things I in a movie 301 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,840 sense in a in a fictional land I would love nothing more than for us to go 302 00:24:54,840 --> 00:25:00,480 gangbusters and put Russia in their place once and for all you know and the 303 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:06,240 Cold War and the New Cold War and and you know World War Three. But I think 304 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:13,080 with the way that all the political alliances work out that it's just it's 305 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:21,480 not a good decision and it's not really our fight. There's there's layers to it. 306 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:27,680 What I was getting at is that we are both residents of the United States and 307 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:34,360 it's just a fact that the United States has been an aggressive imperial nation 308 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:39,680 for a very long time. Probably arguably the whole history of the country you 309 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,560 know. But shorter than other countries. Well yes we don't have a history going 310 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:51,560 back to a thousand AD or whatever going into prehistory. But for the duration 311 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,760 we've been fairly warlike. Sometimes good sometimes not. Yeah we had isolationist 312 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,640 periods as well but it seems like some sort of war always kind of drug us out 313 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:06,560 of that. Well even during our isolationism my my opinion was that it 314 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:12,800 was mostly because the government in Washington wanted to expand and take 315 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,600 over the lands of the indigenous peoples of the continent. You know we were 316 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:22,400 fighting a war. It was just a different kind of war. It's a bait and switch war 317 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,480 of taking over territory that wasn't currently under control of the United 318 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:33,600 States government. Yes. That's a different argument. Yeah I was gonna say I just 319 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,760 read a really interesting book that went kind of in depth in a lot of that kind 320 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:43,080 of things. But we're talking about World War III here. We'll talk about conquest in a 321 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:50,480 later later episode. But I don't agree with the invasion of Ukraine but we 322 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:57,040 don't have a moral grounds to argue against it. But they're bombing 323 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,880 hospitals and killing pregnant women and children Mike. You know there's been a 324 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:07,920 civil war there since 2012. So no I understand I'm just for the counterpoint. 325 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:14,640 It's very easy to emotionally and that's what I was saying with like you 326 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,520 know watching the rah rah you know let's go in and kick their asses movies and 327 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,800 things you know it's like emotionally there's probably nothing more rewarding 328 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:28,280 than that. Here's a country that's you know killing civilians and you've got 329 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,680 the Ukrainian president who's basically saying I'm gonna stay here and fight 330 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,880 and like why wouldn't you want to go fight with that you know just emotionally 331 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:44,880 speaking. Well I guess my emotions are tempered by the fact that my dad's a 332 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,400 Vietnam vet and all his friends were Vietnam era vets. My dad was also in for 333 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:55,000 30 years. Worked for the military as a civilian his entire life also. My 334 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:01,400 grandfather was in World War II. My other grandfather was in Korea and yeah 335 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,280 I had a grandfather in World War II that I was very close with and then one of my 336 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:15,400 other grandfathers was in Korea. So my grandfather was damaged from his time in 337 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:21,440 the service for sure. Yeah I don't know that I've met anybody from the service 338 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:27,160 that didn't have something some sort of reservations or some sort of. My dad 339 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:34,000 does not. He was stationed in Korea, Fixon radios, radar equipment and he ran radar 340 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:40,240 equipment after the war. So he doesn't he never really he he's got sevens he was 341 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:47,680 in seven conflicts active duty but he wasn't a combatant you know and a lot of 342 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,440 his friends weren't either. They were computer technicians and guys behind the 343 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,680 scenes so they never saw combat but they were all very cynical about the motives 344 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,640 of the government. Yeah and my father worked for the military his entire life. 345 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:08,160 He's yeah he encouraged all of us. I have two other brothers. They both got out of 346 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,360 high school right after the end of the Cold War and I got out of high school 347 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:18,920 during the start of the invasion of Iraq and he encouraged us to not join the 348 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:25,280 military because of his cynicism towards the military even though he worked. You 349 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,680 know what my dad used to do he worked for the military 350 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:34,040 yeah his entire life. He was cynical about the motives of the politicians not 351 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,280 really the military structure. He supported the military itself but he was 352 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:43,440 I mean it all comes from somewhere and those at the top are less than 353 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,040 trustworthy will say unless they're listening then we love you. Yes yes 354 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:55,600 yes so I also happen to agree that the world does not break down into red and 355 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,960 blue colors cleanly so yeah. But no I think like emotionally it would be great 356 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:07,240 to go and just you know not do it and I think that's what we should have done you 357 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,840 know we had made up our minds in 2001 that we're going to Afghanistan and then 358 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,200 it kind of spread from there but I always kind of said or thought in my 359 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,920 mind like if we're gonna go we shouldn't put a single boot on the ground just 360 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:29,080 bomb it and leave and say there you know I don't know what that would be that's 361 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,840 probably why I'm not in politics or I didn't get elected actually now I'm old 362 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:40,080 enough I can be elected to president. Yes I vote for you. And I think you could be you 363 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:46,600 could be a vice president right? There's not an 18 on that is there? We can we can both run 364 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:52,920 Oh yeah because you'll be old enough. Well why not? That's that's what we should gear up for. 365 00:30:52,920 --> 00:31:08,280 We'll create the cigar platform yeah. But yeah logistically, legally, logically I 366 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,080 don't want to I don't want us to do anything over there. I don't I don't 367 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:18,560 I kind of like every time I see on my newsfeed you know the US imposed this 368 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:24,400 sanction or that sanction it's like okay okay but I mean they already have all 369 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,000 the weapons to use so it's I don't know I mean I'm sure it's hurting their 370 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:34,400 economy but I don't think that's what he cares about. I watch a channel on YouTube 371 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:43,200 called Survival Russia and it's a guy out there doing woodsman stuff in oh come 372 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,600 on now where the Gulags were? Siberia. Yeah Siberia. Yeah Siberia and he runs a 373 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,160 little farm out there and stuff and I like it because I kind of live with it I 374 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,040 live out in the middle of the hinterlands myself you know. You've got 375 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:59,920 your hobby farm he's got his whatever Russian hobby farm is. Yeah exactly yeah so I 376 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:04,840 want to watch his channel to learn little tips and tricks as I grew up messing 377 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,840 around in the woods doing stupid stuff and it's just enjoyable like a nice 378 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:13,600 little hobby but he is showing the prices and it's not really hurting their 379 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:21,560 economy yet. You know I didn't think it was. The price of the pump hasn't gone up. He's been showing gas prices for the last month. Gas hasn't gone up because 380 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:27,400 Russia is just using their internal oil supply to boost it. But you know what our 381 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,040 gas did go up but that's because freedom is expensive. Yeah. Okay that's what our 382 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:37,160 president said freedom is expensive and if you're a fan of Team America it's at 383 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:43,680 least a buck oh five. Yes I thought that Biden was did the most courageous thing 384 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,480 any president has done in my lifetime which was pull out of Afghanistan. I 385 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:53,040 thought that was great. Yeah you know I really kind of thought I thought Obama 386 00:32:53,040 --> 00:33:01,840 was gonna do that. I mean I just I still can't believe we were there for 20 years. 387 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:08,520 To do nothing. To do nothing. It's the fact. Yeah because then the Taliban's back in 388 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,200 charge and they were like yeah we're gonna be nice to women this time but 389 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,800 they're not. Well the Taliban is the popular political party there as much as 390 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,520 we don't like that. It doesn't really you know I don't think it's unreasonable to 391 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:29,200 say that they are supported by the populace largely so that'd be. Yeah do you 392 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,360 know I don't know if they're supported by the populace or if or if they've just 393 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:40,040 got enough power that they can force force popularity. Is there a difference? Not 394 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:46,280 really. We even do it here to some extent with you know if you if you don't vote 395 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,840 Republican or Democrat you're stealing votes from them. Well if they didn't 396 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:55,760 earn my vote they don't get it. Like you don't you're not entitled to my vote. 397 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:01,960 For the listeners to be aware I've lived in North Dakota for 13 years I 398 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:09,280 think. 13 years 2006 to 2018 and there they have a single party state. 399 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,640 Everybody's a Republican that gets elected. There are a handful of Democrats 400 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:20,080 elected to the legislature but they are only Republicans that get elected 401 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:25,600 there. But their Republicans are not national Republicans you know they have 402 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,880 liberal Republicans in North Dakota if you can believe it or not. And that's 403 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:35,360 kind of the same thing in Afghanistan I'm sure. I don't know. I'm guessing that 404 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:42,520 there's probably Talibanis who are less severe. Pro women's rights maybe? I don't 405 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:51,320 know if they're that far. I did research something interesting I got into a 406 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:58,080 political argument which I've sworn to not do that but you know sometimes if 407 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:03,240 you're partaking in some alcoholic beverages and you have somebody on the 408 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:07,920 far opposite side of the spectrum from you although I would consider myself 409 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:15,360 like kind of in the middle by and large like I like smoking, I like drinking, I like 410 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,200 shooting guns and I like people to have their rights and for the government to 411 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,400 leave them alone which I guess sounds more like you know conservative 412 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:31,520 Republican. I would say that you were socially libertarian. Yeah I would 413 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,840 probably identify with the libertarians if they hadn't done the whole like tea 414 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,680 party and kind of got really weird as a party you know so that's why I kind of 415 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:45,360 have trouble and it's also why I don't I don't really have like why I don't have 416 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,200 any tattoos but if I did I wouldn't get like a band tattoo because like you like 417 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,120 this one band and then all of a sudden they come out with like a crap album 418 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,820 and you're like ew and then you know suddenly it's like oh I shouldn't got 419 00:35:54,820 --> 00:36:02,800 that Nickelback tattoo. Everybody liked them for a while. I have a great Nickelback story. 420 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,040 But continue. Oh yeah okay so I'm gonna share my research and then we're gonna 421 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,640 do the Nickelback story. Okay so we were we were arguing and we're arguing about 422 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,000 news media and and so is with my dad and he said that because I lived in the big 423 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,280 city now in Minneapolis which I don't actually technically live in 424 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,640 Minneapolis but that's beside the point because if you're not in the city area 425 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,920 the Twin Cities area here you're one of those city people. Yes. No matter where 426 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,160 you came from or like how much time in the woods you spent because that was me 427 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:38,320 as well as a kid and he was like oh you you know you're watching that City News 428 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,720 that CNN and they're so far left and NPR and he was like really railing against 429 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:49,200 NPR and so I was like okay let's look it up and so I found this website and so it 430 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,080 has to be true because it was on the internet but I can't remember the site 431 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,080 but it seemed to be reputable you know didn't seem like they were doing 432 00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,920 anything and so NPR they had the spectrum like left and left went all the 433 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,800 way down to like extremist like conspiracy theory and the right went 434 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,520 all the way over to right to conspiracy theory stuff and so NPR was like a 435 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:15,480 smidge to the left of Center and Fox News and Fox News was like encroaching 436 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:21,920 into the conspiracy theory aside of the right right part of that scale and then 437 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,000 they had the other news sources too but really that's why I told myself I'm not 438 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,080 gonna do any more political talks or political arguments with somebody who 439 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:37,200 can't because as a nation I think we've lost the art of having civil 440 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,880 conversations with people with differing opinions or viewpoints than us and if 441 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:48,640 somebody can't stay calm and talk to me about an issue I don't care if it's 442 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,760 politics I don't I don't follow sports anymore because people were getting so 443 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,400 riled up about the Packer Viking thing you know and name-calling and it's like 444 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,800 dude it's entertainment man we're just we're watching this together yes I hope 445 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,200 the team I'm cheering for wins and I hope your team doesn't but at the end of 446 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:12,240 the day my life's no different if my team wins or loses like no different at 447 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:18,960 all so we can be friendly about it you know marks I've been accused of being a 448 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,680 centrist Marxist and a socialist many times is that because of the beard or 449 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:32,280 yeah but Marx said that sports and entertainment were the opiate of the 450 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:37,800 masses and it's true because a lot of people really care about their team of 451 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,160 whatever winning yeah this is irrelevant it doesn't change my life at all it's 452 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,120 irrelevant and I mean I guess that people need to be passionate about 453 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:53,360 something but that passion shouldn't override just being a nice person to 454 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:58,920 other people you know it's just there's gonna be people out there that disagree 455 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:07,680 you know and you get you get so many more good insights and really good 456 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:13,880 English language speaking like I just did there by talking with people with 457 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:19,640 different opinions like otherwise you don't learn anything right it's I live 458 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,160 in Minneapolis for those listeners out there I lived in Minneapolis for a boat 459 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,280 of a year that was the best year man it was a year it was actually very 460 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:36,120 enjoyable anyway but I found people there to be just as ignorant as these 461 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:41,400 hicks out in the middle of nowhere possibly even more so because people get 462 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,920 just set in their views and then they well they get set in the view as their 463 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,480 other you know they can put them in the other category yeah and then they get 464 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,680 righteous in their views and that's the worst part yes they can pass judgments 465 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:59,560 on for any negative nasty for everything it's insane and it doesn't matter like 466 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:05,600 all all genders do it all races and classes and you know they all do it 467 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:13,720 everybody does I've been guilty of it too you know absolutely I I am a bad 468 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:21,720 person in many ways you know mistakes have been made but that's the thing is 469 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:26,440 you know the modern culture modern society is mistakes are bad you should 470 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,480 never make a mistake so then they get so people get so caught up in what they 471 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,360 believe is right and what they think is right or what they think they know is 472 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:41,360 right and then if you disagree with them that could could then like out a 473 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:48,720 mistake that they made so they have to fight even harder against it I was 474 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:53,080 always stopped at admitting that you were wrong is a sign of you know 475 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:59,640 self-confidence maybe that's an old-fashioned view of being alive that's 476 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,360 certainly not what people do now in many cases they don't want to admit that they 477 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:10,280 their perception was incorrect you know yes well and I've done that quite a few 478 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,960 times in my life I've you know I think I was wrong about that I had no you know 479 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:19,240 I had no idea right and I try you know it's it's it's not easy it's easier to 480 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:24,120 be passionate about something and just argue and call names for sure it's way 481 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:30,200 more emotionally satisfying to be self-righteous yeah been self-reflective 482 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:35,320 self-reflection is so speaking of times speaking about self-righteousness tell 483 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:41,240 me this Nickelback story oh Nickelback so I was working in Fargo at a restaurant 484 00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:47,640 now is North Dakota they pro Nickelback well the population in Fargo watched 485 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,720 Nickelback they were very popular at the time and they had a big successful show 486 00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:58,400 yeah and I was cooking at the fanciest restaurant in town or one of the fancier 487 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,200 restaurants so Nickelback decided after the show to come to this restaurant we 488 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:08,640 stayed open late for him and all all that stuff because the the head chef 489 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,400 they they worked ahead of time so he kept the full staff on oh yes you know 490 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,520 all that stuff so Nickelback could come in and they could have a couple drinks 491 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,560 and eat food and all that and we had the opportunity as a kitchen staff to go out 492 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:27,360 there and meet Nickelback and the chef was really excited and he was happy you 493 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,920 know it was a very nice thing that he did for us really yeah it doesn't matter 494 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:37,440 like their music or not it's cool to meet it's very cool very cool but not 495 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,120 one person from the back of the kitchen which I was not working on the line I 496 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:46,720 was doing back prep prep work you know okay working with a knife full-time not 497 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:52,400 one person from the back went to go meet Nickelback when they were there that's 498 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,200 how much they were hated by the staff of that restaurant so you didn't go either 499 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,840 you didn't go either you didn't go shake hands with Chad yeah I know I should have 500 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,840 I should have you know I was a much younger man at the time in my early 20s 501 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:12,680 and maybe even very early 20s I think very early yeah and I didn't go I 502 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,960 should have I should have there I'm sure they're fine gentlemen and I don't even 503 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,560 dislike their music it's fine yeah you know I mean they got you guys think I 504 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:26,360 kind of a bad rap you know of late recently you know but I don't know why 505 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,200 it's like you know they have like the number one songs a couple number one 506 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:35,240 songs for a long time like they were crazy popular and they're not bad I mean 507 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:39,440 and now they're not popular anymore I guess but I'm not a fan of new new metal 508 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:45,400 and new rock or by any means but they're good you know they're not tool yeah 509 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:55,000 that's true as the phrase goes not many things are not many things are no so 510 00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,800 yeah that was I'll always remember that 511 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:06,320 lose my mind yeah I haven't met I haven't met very very many you know like 512 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:11,320 nationally or in that or internationally famous musicians we go to a lot of 513 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:16,920 local shows or you know smaller shows down here in the in the cities but we 514 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:23,480 did go to the warp tour in 2008 and angels and airwaves was there which is 515 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:30,480 Tom DeLong and company no marker Travis though but and Katy Perry was there and 516 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,760 we met both both all of angels and airwaves and they were really nice and 517 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,360 actually Tom DeLong is the reason we got that UFO footage a few months back 518 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:45,120 declassified he's been working on he believes aliens are real and he believes 519 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,920 we've already made contact and he believes the government is hiding it 520 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:54,120 from us I don't know I don't know I believe that in the vastness of space 521 00:44:54,120 --> 00:45:02,520 that there's probably life out there I don't know if it's come and visited us 522 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:08,040 certainly I don't wake up with a sore ass without knowing why I guess right 523 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:13,720 it's just we're probably on similar pages with that statistically it's 524 00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:20,720 likely well statistically it's not statistically there is no life in the 525 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:24,760 universe and I learned this from reading Douglas Adams Hitchhiker's Guide to the 526 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:30,200 Galaxy and of course this is satire but if you look at it mathematically there's 527 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:35,280 a finite number of inhabited planets and right now it's one you know like we know 528 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,840 for a fact one planet is inhabited and there's an infinite number of 529 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,160 uninhabited planets and this is this is what he says in his book and therefore 530 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,960 the average population of the universe is zero so anyone you meet is probably a 531 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,080 figment of your imagination or you of theirs 532 00:45:53,080 --> 00:46:03,920 that's possible very possible that goes into there's different philosophies on 533 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:11,280 that sort of thing which is always interesting to learn about I am to 534 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:16,280 learn about I have about three inches left in the cigar yeah about the same I 535 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,840 increased my smoke rate to try and match you ah yeah I slowed down I slowed down 536 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:31,580 and we met in the middle and this is now becoming bolder yep and more flavor 537 00:46:31,580 --> 00:46:39,600 rich and I like it I like that darker flavor yeah it is nice I usually like 538 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:48,520 the little bit darker cigars myself as do I even though as I've gotten older 539 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:53,920 background information I started smoking cigars when I was 18 there was a cigar 540 00:46:53,920 --> 00:47:00,680 shop in the town that I grew up in and started smoking cigars high school once 541 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,520 I turned 18 of course because they wouldn't allow somebody underage into a 542 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:09,600 proper real cigar shop yep and so you must have been 21 because you were 543 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:19,600 drinking at that time yes I was 21 but anyway but I started smoking cigars then 544 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,320 and I was obsessed with the dark cigars you know probably more bravado than 545 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:30,320 anything and now I've grown to appreciate the lighter cigars there's 546 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,880 just interesting to try you know yeah light and dark and you know it's all 547 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,080 good I mean there are definitely some bad cigars out there that's not what I'm 548 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,040 saying is you know but it's like normally if I'm going for beer I like 549 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,720 the IPAs or the New England you know the hazy stuff I don't I don't I'm kind of 550 00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:50,040 shying away not shying away but I used to really like oh give me the happiest 551 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,600 like punch in the face beer you can find and now it's like no I'd rather have 552 00:47:54,600 --> 00:48:00,440 you know like the hazy I just I still like IPA is better than a lot of other 553 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:05,440 things I know you like porters and things but they fill me up 554 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:13,360 I'll see you know I'm a big fat guy so I don't get filled up oh yeah I just so 555 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,840 everybody knows I was drinking I just finished at a great northern porter by 556 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,800 summit and I like that beer it's a good daily that's a good one yeah just a nice 557 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:33,640 nice drink but I'm also drinking a Moscow mule with Bundaberg ginger beer 558 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:40,860 as I'm a Moscow member not a sponsor haha and some you know could be could 559 00:48:40,860 --> 00:48:47,200 cold North vodka which they're not a sponsor either not that but they call 560 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,800 me as well vodka it's five rocks distilling they've got a good stuff they 561 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,840 definitely they have some great stuff I'd like to go in there I've driven 562 00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:04,240 past it that's about we're about two hours apart Mike and myself but you 563 00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:09,640 brought some down and we had it it was great yes oh yes I like having a 564 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:16,960 stillery around and I like trying the little distilleries they have a lot of 565 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,320 interesting stuff to try you know yeah you get stuff you don't you wouldn't 566 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,440 find at the liquor store you know necessarily unless they distribute 567 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,640 there but by and large your average liquor store you get you know the 500 568 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:39,240 flavors of UV vodka yes yes the Chan Casca they had that hops infused whiskey 569 00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:43,560 and I still oh yeah I still like that one but you don't get stuff like that 570 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:50,300 from Jim Beam or something you know you certainly do not and I quite like 571 00:49:50,300 --> 00:50:00,200 Mike introduced me to the Whistler that stuff's good very good actually like for 572 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:05,360 beer now the closest liquor store that I go to is the the one at the grocery 573 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:13,320 store and they've got a very small small selection okay and so I and they have a 574 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:22,400 lot of the S's so it's like they've got Summit and Surly and Sierra Nevada so 575 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,680 whenever I'm at it like a different different liquor store I'm like I need 576 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:31,120 to get a beer that doesn't start with s yes but not that those are bad beers it's 577 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:36,120 just that's typically where I'm at when I'm getting beer but recently I've 578 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:41,760 really traded Joe's they had one or they have one it's like the boat swain and 579 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:48,360 it's like a double double IPA it's 8% and that's that's a pretty hefty beer but 580 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,320 they came out and they just like just this year they just came out and it's a 581 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,800 hazy IPA but it's that same boat swing brand or whatever it is I don't I guess 582 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,880 I should look and see where it's from or who makes it but it's it's like four 583 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:08,440 dollars for a six-pack wow and it's actually a nice drink really it really 584 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:13,840 is it really is so next time that we're in the same vicinity we should pre-plan 585 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:18,840 it a little bit so I can get you get you a six-pack so you can try it yes absolutely 586 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:26,000 absolutely when I was younger living in Fargo I used to drink a beer called 587 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:35,000 Glicks Brown and GL UI CKS I think they might have changed their name to Great 588 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:40,120 Northern Brown or some nonsense like that but it's Glicks Brown yeah and you 589 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,800 could get a 24 pack for like $12 yeah it was super cheap but it was actually good 590 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,760 yeah for a drinking beer you know I always try and aim unless I'm getting 591 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:54,360 like a special beer you know just for like my everyday drinking beer I try and 592 00:51:54,360 --> 00:52:01,140 aim for somewhere around a dollar a can yes I feel like that's a good deal now 593 00:52:01,140 --> 00:52:06,240 you can get quite a bit better deals in Wisconsin where I grew up because 594 00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:10,440 Wisconsin has way different like drastically different liquor laws in 595 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,560 Minnesota you can buy beer and gas stations and things and you can buy you 596 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,720 know hard alcohol and gas stations but my wife and I went for my brother's 597 00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:25,520 wedding and we went out with him and his wedding party kind of is it wasn't 598 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:31,520 really a groom's dinner but it kind of was and you could buy a pint of beer 599 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,000 local beer that's really good you can't even get it unless you're in Wisconsin 600 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,880 and it was four dollars for a pint and in the Twin Cities here you go to a you 601 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:45,680 go to a micro brew and it's eight dollars for a glass of beer and so my 602 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:50,200 wife and I both told the waitress yeah I'll take two to start you know so we 603 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,880 were double fisting and they had no problem with it they didn't check our 604 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:59,560 IDs they're like yep two beers coming up you know what you're about so yeah 605 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,960 yeah the price of everything is going up yeah which is it's the price to be free 606 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,720 Mike yeah I guess yeah it's the price for freedom 607 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,880 the price of freedom and you know like honestly as much as we kind of like a 608 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:21,240 bitching bone about prices of things going up I think the the situation over 609 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:29,440 in the Ukraine there with them being invaded and then I thought you know it's 610 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:34,800 it's times like these where even though I still have issues with it but it's 611 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:41,800 times like these where I'm glad we spend what we spend on our military you know 612 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:48,840 I'm sure I know that there's ways we can still keep ourselves safe and not spend 613 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,200 so much on military and spend on other things that are maybe more important for 614 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:58,840 you know humanity but I'm not I'm not sitting here worried that Russia is going 615 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:04,760 to invade me or Canada or Mexico like that's just not something that the 616 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:11,920 average American worries about I don't think it's not but I think the Japanese 617 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:18,920 military in World War two put it best that an invasion of the continent would 618 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:26,760 be astronomically expensive in lives because every farmer and workman has a 619 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:32,000 gun at home yeah or has somebody in their lives that has multiple guns that 620 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,680 would loan some out absolutely absolutely and then you know like the 621 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:41,600 size the size of our country like it's massive you know oh yes you're just 622 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,640 you're not gonna do it and you're and you know what probably probably nobody's 623 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:50,680 gonna invade Russia either I don't know I mean that's just you know it's so it's 624 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:56,880 so big you know right it would be horrible I mean where we live Sarah and 625 00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:04,840 I yeah how are you gonna invade a forest how are you going to get there 626 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,120 yeah we're almost we're almost like in the center of the country you'd have to 627 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:14,320 start on one side one of the coasts and try and like work your way to get us 628 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:23,120 well even if fascist Trudeau decided to come down with his military forces let's 629 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:30,240 say yep how how is that gonna work every hick in the north has a gun yeah 630 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:35,720 well and and then what would it get him because like even Minneapolis is not a 631 00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:41,040 strategic military target like you're not gonna like oh I captured Minneapolis 632 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:46,640 good for you can you fix our roads please what is it eight miles or eight 633 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:51,320 miles eight hours south of the border yeah that's a long so it's like there's a 634 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:58,320 lot it's a long tank ride is what it is a lot of bathroom breaks for that yes 635 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:05,520 yes it is but you know it's not gonna gain him anything because even if you 636 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,440 capture Minnesota as a state it's like cool we'll drop a star from the flag 637 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,920 it's yours take it like we don't have anything here well we have tacky night 638 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:21,960 and we have yeah I'm saying like a military advantage like you're not yeah 639 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,160 you're not taking an oil field Minnesota's not even a good place to 640 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,520 launch an invasion from if you you know like oh I'm in Minnesota well it's still 641 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:35,560 like two days to any either of the coasts so absolutely you know good luck 642 00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:41,200 we've been watching Stargate and yeah Jack O'Neill who is the main character 643 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,240 have you seen Stargate Nate I've seen the movie yeah oh okay so we're watching 644 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:49,360 the television show together yeah and they kind of like the movie launched the 645 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,040 television series right yes yeah yeah yeah the movie launched a television 646 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:59,200 series and then they obviously put TV actors instead of Kurt Russell and yeah 647 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:05,760 whoever else is in it yeah so uh James Spader James Spader yes yeah that was uh 648 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,120 I can't remember the actor's name for Daniel Jackson but it's Richard Dean 649 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:13,720 Anderson a fellow Minnesotan as the main character but they always have him go 650 00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:18,640 back to his cabin in Minnesota and the cabins actually in Vancouver okay so 651 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,000 we're like oh maybe we'll go and visit this cabin you know because it's part 652 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:28,000 of a state park or something in Vancouver yeah and it was a 25 hour drive 653 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:36,000 from where we're at yeah okay that's a long ways away maybe if we're out out 654 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,680 there seeing something else we can work it in but it's not the sole reason to 655 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:49,800 make a 25 hour trip oh I do that for funsies I do it yeah yeah not not with 656 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:55,720 gas where it is now no no gas was the dollar a gallon for sure yeah yeah so 657 00:57:55,720 --> 00:58:01,280 I've got a little Honda Civic and it it it's from when I graduated high school 658 00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:09,040 so it's a 2004 and you know I get almost 40 miles to the gallon it's got a 12 659 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,360 gallon tank and I filled it up like two days ago and it was 50 bucks 50 dollars 660 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:19,080 and normally I can fill it for like 25 you know and it's like oh even I'm not 661 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:27,120 driving anywhere right Sarah filled up her Kia Soul yesterday and it was $50 662 00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:38,320 yeah oh wow yeah maybe I will stay home yes yeah stay home which we always now 663 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:43,200 we are literally planning our trips you know one time in one time back that's 664 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:48,960 it yeah so which is fun yeah so I had to do when I was a teenager so 665 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:55,640 it's not yeah it's it's you know I'm from a territory yeah and like I said to you 666 00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:01,680 know we can adapt to higher gas prices and things because of where we live and 667 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:10,960 the lifestyle that we have and and that's nice but you know we also 668 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,720 understand that that's not what the people in the Ukraine have that's not 669 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:20,800 what you know people even near Russia have because there's not a lot of 670 00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:26,240 countries that have the military that we have so even even other you know first 671 00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:31,520 world countries and things in Europe or in that in that region probably have to 672 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:38,200 be sweating a little bit oh I'm sure they are I'm sure they are nobody has 673 00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:43,560 military like we have we spend significantly more than yeah one so I 674 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:50,720 had one of my neighbors over and we also enjoy cigars and alcohol but he was 675 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:58,200 saying that he's convinced that if nothing gets done to stop Russia then 676 00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,840 China is gonna go after Taiwan 677 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:08,920 you think so I heard rumbling he's he certainly thought so because it's kind 678 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,200 of and that's kind of where things get a little more complicated too because 679 01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:17,000 it's not just one country invading another because ever since World War two 680 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:22,160 there hasn't really been a whole lot of open fighting you know there has been 681 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:30,240 there has been but not at that level and everybody I think is on edge about these 682 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:38,160 countries that have nuclear capabilities and how do you how do you fight a war 683 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:44,200 that has any sort of end without triggering you know nuclear retaliation 684 01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:52,480 and so I think what his point was is that China's watching and this is a good 685 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:58,840 good study for them to do you know if if America and other other countries don't 686 01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:04,760 step in to help Ukraine by putting troops on the ground then what's then 687 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,840 who's gonna put troops on the ground to stop them from taking Taiwan back sure 688 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:15,320 that's gosh that's a scary thought too as we're so embedded art where we are 689 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:21,680 not but American business has decided to get embedded with communist China yeah 690 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:26,480 well we're embedded everywhere because capitalists likes likes like to make 691 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:31,080 money right yeah they don't care about consequences yeah and they don't care 692 01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,920 about political affiliations you know and no it's like if they have money to 693 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:43,840 spend and they want to spend it with me that's great absolutely which is did you 694 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:51,600 hear about the news in Israel that just came out over the weekend I suppose no I 695 01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:59,520 did not we were entertaining I see I see so uh Israel who is a great ally of the 696 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:04,480 United States I will not say anything against that they certainly are in the 697 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:12,080 Middle East yeah one of our strong allies since the early 2000s they have 698 01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:21,480 yearly or annually banned marriages between Palestinians and Jews in Israel 699 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:29,240 and they didn't renew it last year but now they've made it a permanent law that 700 01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:36,720 a marriage between a Palestinian and an Israeli Jew is void no avoid can't 701 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:47,000 happen so you know we are supporting a state that is are they're doing things 702 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:51,280 that would never be accepted here that would never be hopefully gosh I'd hope 703 01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:57,240 that that would never be accepted here but even then what's their consequences 704 01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,560 for that nothing you know there's no consequences for them banning basic 705 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:07,040 human rights individuals you know that's pretty intense that's pretty intense 706 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:14,320 hatred that is that is intense that's pretty intense you know that's a 707 01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:20,520 miscegenation laws all over again which was the rule of the order in our country 708 01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:26,760 50 years ago yeah and it's been the rule of a lot of countries and still is in a 709 01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:33,400 lot of countries too most of which I'm assuming we're not allies with you know 710 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:41,520 we are though we look at Saudi Arabia Israel we're allies of all those I would 711 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:47,280 say I don't say evil regimes but they're definitely doing things that are not 712 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:53,560 very good yeah they're not nice they're not they are not nice there but then I 713 01:03:53,560 --> 01:04:02,800 mean you know what is what is our role in all of that you know and it's kind of 714 01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,800 maybe comes back to what we're talking about the very beginning you know sports 715 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:12,720 even and being so like self-righteous that you can't have allies you know 716 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:19,000 because certainly we are hopefully getting benefit from having them as 717 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:25,880 allies oh certainly you know it was great where do you put hold so to speak 718 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:31,200 and I would feel probably probably feel comfortable going to Israel I guess as 719 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,880 an American yeah but where would I mean and where would we be if we didn't you 720 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:44,640 know where would we be if we were so black and white in our dogma that we 721 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:49,920 couldn't have allies right I guess you know like I'm not saying I'm not trying 722 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,000 to say what they're doing is right 723 01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:03,600 no no I'm with you I'm just saying like I'm saying like you know some of some 724 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:10,200 of the things is some of the stuff is you're gonna have people you disagree 725 01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:15,880 with but you can still be civil with them and maybe try and enact change 726 01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:24,800 there differently than going to war or screaming at them or calling them names 727 01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,920 you know you've been here obviously with people who don't know this was 728 01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:40,160 originally a just a deck and my dad added it on oh 2008 maybe he had it 729 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:45,440 he had this little four season porch on I was after I left house I put the 730 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,760 rafters up when I was in college but I never got to get any benefit from the 731 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:55,600 four season porch living here I bought my parents farm from them when they 732 01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,840 retired that was their plan their master plan to get me to move back to 733 01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:05,120 Minnesota well it worked it did work yeah they wanted to suck me in to to 734 01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:13,120 living in my hometown which is a lovely place but it doesn't have a lot of 735 01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:20,000 opportunities if you stay here like me it's a nice place to visit it's a nice 736 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:31,340 place to be from as I used to say it's a nice place to visit NAFTA and trade with 737 01:06:31,340 --> 01:06:36,600 China destroyed this region of the country as far as the old industrial 738 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:43,320 base yeah and people are very aware of that here growing up it was heavily it's 739 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:53,240 very strongly Democrat extremely so I mean you know DFL Democratic Farmers 740 01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:57,160 Labor was the dominant party and now it's the opposite it's all Republicans 741 01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:03,640 Republicans that are not racist or yeah they're not like evil wicked people like 742 01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:08,640 the news wants to say but they're very aware of NAFTA and the effects of like 743 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,600 Bill and Hillary Clinton there's a lot of anti-clinton sentiment here which I 744 01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:20,800 subscribe to myself to be honest because they did NAFTA really screwed over the 745 01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:28,400 paper industry and iron is dying forever you know yeah it's just regional politics 746 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:34,500 that I'm sure people let's say we have a single listener from outside of the 747 01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:40,520 region they might not know that the industrial base here was the main 748 01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:47,080 driving force and now it's entirely gone and now it's all tourists basically 749 01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:54,800 yeah it's definitely a tourist town tourist region a ton of lake resorts up 750 01:07:54,800 --> 01:08:02,440 there golf and so be like golf snowmobiling lakes destination wedding 751 01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:06,200 type of things a lot of that destination wedding I never got that 752 01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:10,560 maybe it's because I'm from here yeah I don't want to get married in my 753 01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:16,840 backyard it's my backyard yeah exactly it's like oh I mean if it's a fine place 754 01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,720 to get married I suppose but if you're not from here why do you want to come 755 01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:31,960 here get married but yes so yeah so cigar wise I I have about two inches left and 756 01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:39,840 it's getting this little sour yeah same with me all in all all in all is good 757 01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:45,880 smoke oh yes very good and I let it cool off a little bit now and it's it's 758 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:52,120 getting its flavor back so to speak yes but but not as nice as the the middle of 759 01:08:52,120 --> 01:09:01,120 the stick was no by no means by no means which is a you know everybody knows 760 01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:07,560 fairly typical cigar treat for something that's a little bit longer so on World 761 01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:12,920 War three do we have a solution we don't have a solution do we don't even I don't 762 01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:19,000 know for the Ukrainians yeah we I mean we never promised one I guess I don't I 763 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:25,200 don't know how would how would you resolve it I don't think the US should 764 01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:32,420 do sanctions I think the sanctions are pointless well they're not immediate for 765 01:09:32,420 --> 01:09:38,000 sure and you know Russia has its own allies right and can get its own 766 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:44,120 resources elsewhere so we're certainly not their biggest oil contract so by 767 01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:51,280 stopping that we're not really no I heard on the news that it's 3% of our 768 01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:58,080 total oil supply yeah it's going to be a disruption to us to an extent and of 769 01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:04,720 course our corporations are gonna make any excuse to raise prices of gas always 770 01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:09,840 yeah raise prices of anything we've had the worst inflation since 82 or 771 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:19,760 something yes yeah inflation is well it's real that way but uh yeah there's 772 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:25,640 nothing that we really can do unless we want to go to war but yes disastrous 773 01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:36,200 that's for all sides probably oh yeah it's it's a non a non starting point 774 01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:44,320 that's I can't imagine how terrible the consequences that would be we might not 775 01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:49,320 even exist as a species after that yeah I am you know some of these some of 776 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:54,080 these people like North Korea in particular with their nuclear tests and 777 01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:59,800 all of that it's just you know like what what's the outcome like what's the end 778 01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:06,480 what's the end of yeah name of that nothing good no no no and North Korea 779 01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:11,120 would have been when we started the war on terror that probably would have been 780 01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:16,440 a better point to get involved with North Korea if we were ever going to do 781 01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:23,920 so too late now we've lost the game on that yeah and then it kind of comes down 782 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:29,760 to like are we the world police or not 783 01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:36,320 right well team America were a police well yeah exactly feel that way you know 784 01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:41,680 we could have we could have done a lot of things and I think you know by and 785 01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:48,320 large with other let's just say empires or you know world powers we've shown 786 01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:54,040 maybe more restraint not not all the time but more restraint than other other 787 01:11:54,040 --> 01:12:00,360 empires of a similar age you know if you go back through history and you know 788 01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:05,280 find empires that have been are young you know world powers that are young 789 01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:13,120 they were all about world domination we have been but it's more economic 790 01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:21,480 domination people internally it's still what we call the it's almost political 791 01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:25,080 death of a politician calls the United States an empire which we clearly are I 792 01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:31,640 don't understand why people hesitate to admit it we've always been an empire 793 01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:38,080 always even as a colony we were an empire you know you can't say that 794 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:43,720 moving into Ohio and taking over lands of foreign peoples isn't an imperial 795 01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:50,880 move and we've been doing it since the beginning in many ways we praise the 796 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:56,040 Louisiana Purchase like it's some sort of great thing that Thomas Jefferson did 797 01:12:56,040 --> 01:13:01,360 which in many ways it was but it was a move of an empire undeniably yeah I'm 798 01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:07,320 at the point is that an empire just by being an empire isn't intrinsically bad 799 01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:14,440 no I don't think it's intrinsically bad to be an empire necessarily no it's 800 01:13:14,440 --> 01:13:20,800 mostly it more depends like what the Empire does you know what right the 801 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:26,040 promise of America is wonderful we haven't lived up to that promise which 802 01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:36,040 is a problem but we do have high goals as they say yes and I think next episode 803 01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:43,280 we should talk a little bit about the book that I just finished and kind of 804 01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:52,600 that author's view on you know world powers and indigenous peoples and how 805 01:13:52,600 --> 01:14:00,320 throughout history how that's kind of been handled what was it that was the 806 01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:07,000 black rednecks and white liberals oh yes you finished it I finished it it's as 807 01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,800 for those that don't know it's as it's a series of I think five or six essays 808 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:18,360 that kind of sort of tie tie in but he really does he talks about blacks in the 809 01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:29,160 south and he talks about Jews and other middlemen races or cultures and he 810 01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:33,840 talks about slavery in general you know the grants the grand the big picture of 811 01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:41,440 slavery and and then he has some really interesting thoughts on what I would 812 01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:49,360 call reparations for the past I'll have to bring up the old genealogy book 813 01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:54,480 because yeah I haven't read it for a while I do have it I got it from a 814 01:14:54,480 --> 01:15:00,480 relative in North Dakota but to my understanding my family are original oh 815 01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:06,800 gee hillbillies excellent English English hillbillies supporters of William 816 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:16,280 the Forge back in the day so very interesting sub sect of our history 817 01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:23,280 well that's our plan then for episode two sounds good yes thank thank you all 818 01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:30,200 for listening yeah and if you get a chance to pick up one of these cigars 819 01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:38,720 we've been smoking give it a try me as well I'm still smoking it too okay I 820 01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:43,280 just thought like if we don't if we don't wrap up the episode it's just gonna be 821 01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:48,640 you know hours of us reminiscing and continuing to talk about things that's 822 01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:54,840 very true yeah yeah to be tidy I know that I'm I let it sit and I did not go 823 01:15:54,840 --> 01:16:00,000 out my cigarettes really go out as you know but it's back being good they 824 01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:07,760 rarely have a chance to go out quite honestly even if I set it down even if 825 01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:12,320 you set it down I mean you you smoke maybe like a cigar and a half to my one 826 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:21,320 sometimes more that is true that is true I definitely thought them down all right 827 01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:31,760 folks folk probably probably Nate and not our way yeah somebody somebody's 828 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,640 listening out there you know and when the radio when I was listening to the 829 01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:41,440 radio as a kid and they'd always go and thank you for listening and I was like 830 01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:45,400 how do they know like do they have like a board with numbers and and then I 831 01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:49,120 realized like no they just say that because they're just assuming somebody's 832 01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:53,600 listening and it's nice to be called out so thank you listeners yes thank you 833 01:16:53,600 --> 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