WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.600 Mussolini was trying to escape with his girlfriend. 00:00:01.879 --> 00:00:06.179 Yes, as most men are. As most, not his wife, 00:00:06.259 --> 00:00:08.599 but his children. He was trying to escape with 00:00:08.599 --> 00:00:13.880 his girlfriend. His government fell. Okay. Welcome 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:19.359 to Nice Ashes. Join hosts Mike and Nate for cigars 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:29.260 and culture. Let's go beyond the smoke. What 00:00:29.260 --> 00:00:32.780 are we smoking today, Nate? We are smoking a 00:00:32.780 --> 00:00:38.299 Schizo Oro. And I, before this, I take my pictures 00:00:38.299 --> 00:00:41.659 for our Instagram. And I decided that I had to 00:00:41.659 --> 00:00:43.479 take a video of this one for the Instagram as 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:45.899 well because I was looking at it and at first 00:00:45.899 --> 00:00:49.039 I thought it was a two -tone little logo on top 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:51.640 with a green, like a dark green and a dark black. 00:00:51.700 --> 00:00:53.700 But then I was rotating it in the light and I 00:00:53.700 --> 00:00:55.899 noticed it kind of is like a brush stroke in 00:00:55.899 --> 00:00:58.840 the paint. like changes it's it's like a brownish 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:02.200 purplish red and it moves into this darker black 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:05.099 and then you've got the real dark green uh logo 00:01:05.099 --> 00:01:07.760 which i believe is a skull and then it goes back 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:11.260 again to the kind of the reddish maroonish whatever 00:01:11.260 --> 00:01:14.359 a very nice label color me impressed i guess 00:01:14.859 --> 00:01:17.599 Great packaging. The label is wonderful. And, 00:01:17.659 --> 00:01:20.079 of course, we have a real cigar wrapper with 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:23.099 a closure sticker with the name and the size 00:01:23.099 --> 00:01:31.219 of the cigar and a UPC label and, yeah, barcode. 00:01:31.260 --> 00:01:35.159 It's wonderful. We're back to real cigar land, 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:39.590 at least for one episode for the show. Well, 00:01:39.590 --> 00:01:42.310 now I have expectations, so it's going to be 00:01:42.310 --> 00:01:44.310 ruined either way. Yeah, if they hire a graphic 00:01:44.310 --> 00:01:47.109 artist for the label, they probably hired somebody 00:01:47.109 --> 00:01:49.030 who knows what they're doing with tobacco. Unlike 00:01:49.030 --> 00:01:51.750 our last episode, the cap doesn't make me want 00:01:51.750 --> 00:01:53.810 to spit this out and stomp on it with my foot, 00:01:53.890 --> 00:01:55.890 so that's good. And this one's not a Maduro, 00:01:55.930 --> 00:01:57.950 but it is a little on the darker side. I don't 00:01:57.950 --> 00:02:01.109 know what you would call this, a Cameroon? I 00:02:01.109 --> 00:02:04.760 would say Corojo. I can look it up for you. I 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.680 suppose we can Google the show yet again. Boy, 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:10.240 oh boy. In our fine tradition. Well, Keith wants 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:12.939 to know. What does he want to know? What's that? 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:16.560 It's a Habano. There you go. We have the Habano 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:19.750 Toro. Nice. I said, Keith wants to know what 00:02:19.750 --> 00:02:22.729 type of cigar this is, what style. He's very 00:02:22.729 --> 00:02:25.789 into that. He likes that. He likes the details, 00:02:25.990 --> 00:02:29.189 the finer details. Yes. It was fun having him 00:02:29.189 --> 00:02:31.389 on the show, and I still feel bad about making 00:02:31.389 --> 00:02:33.909 that mistake about his audio, but I think it 00:02:33.909 --> 00:02:36.360 was passable, serviceable. I made it work. So 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:39.139 it's another apology to Keith. And then, you 00:02:39.139 --> 00:02:42.139 know, check out his podcast because he sounds 00:02:42.139 --> 00:02:44.120 really good on his podcast because he knows what 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:47.599 he's doing. Unlike me at some junctures. But 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:50.979 like I said, I've put a big sticker now on my 00:02:50.979 --> 00:02:54.479 audio interface to hopefully prevent things like 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:57.199 that happening in the future. So we should be 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.419 all good. First few puffs of this mic are, you 00:03:00.419 --> 00:03:02.939 know, pretty solid. Nothing overly splendid. 00:03:03.099 --> 00:03:06.150 Nothing overly... negative just uh kind of a 00:03:06.150 --> 00:03:08.330 nice middle of the road so far it's decent it's 00:03:08.330 --> 00:03:10.550 got a little pepper to it yeah i think that's 00:03:10.550 --> 00:03:12.689 what you meant when it's not quite a maduro but 00:03:12.689 --> 00:03:15.189 it's something like it's got some flavor to it 00:03:15.189 --> 00:03:19.430 and uh no nasty tones yes which is a plus speaking 00:03:19.430 --> 00:03:22.990 of nasty tones mike what are we talking about 00:03:22.990 --> 00:03:24.550 to this episode and what are you pairing your 00:03:24.550 --> 00:03:26.370 cigar with before we get into the nasty tones 00:03:26.370 --> 00:03:31.080 uh ice water and crown royal weirdly enough And 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:34.139 I am pairing mine with a Founders Mortal Bloom 00:03:34.139 --> 00:03:38.500 hazy IPA yet again. There we go. And we're going 00:03:38.500 --> 00:03:40.699 to talk about yet another conspiracy theory, 00:03:40.819 --> 00:03:43.659 kind of a theme. And I didn't know this was a 00:03:43.659 --> 00:03:45.919 conspiracy theory. I stumbled onto it a couple 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:48.240 months ago. When you say you didn't know it was 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:50.319 a conspiracy theory, is it because you just assumed 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:52.639 it was true? Or is it something that was previously 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:55.240 unbeknownst to you? This is something that was 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:57.400 previously unbeknownst to me entirely. I was 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:02.050 not aware of these. Facts. Or alternate facts. 00:04:02.909 --> 00:04:05.189 Alleged facts. Even thought about it. Alleged 00:04:05.189 --> 00:04:07.830 facts. Never thought about it. Sure. So this 00:04:07.830 --> 00:04:12.729 is about the death of Mussolini. Okay. Have you 00:04:12.729 --> 00:04:16.769 ever considered that the death of Mussolini would 00:04:16.769 --> 00:04:21.029 have conspiracies about it? Well, I mean, I guess 00:04:21.029 --> 00:04:23.970 I never actively thought about it. But the death 00:04:23.970 --> 00:04:26.449 of anyone famous has conspiracy theories all 00:04:26.449 --> 00:04:29.129 the time. That is true. That is true. But this 00:04:29.129 --> 00:04:31.129 one is, I mean, it seems pretty straightforward, 00:04:31.209 --> 00:04:33.230 to be honest with you. So we'll start with the 00:04:33.230 --> 00:04:37.199 official story. Mussolini. After the war, Mussolini 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:39.360 was trying to escape with his girlfriend. Yes. 00:04:39.379 --> 00:04:43.360 As most men are. As most. No, cut that. Not his 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:45.860 wife, but his children. He was trying to escape 00:04:45.860 --> 00:04:48.759 with his girlfriend. His government vessel. Escape 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:51.439 with his girlfriend or escape from his girlfriend? 00:04:51.819 --> 00:04:53.980 Yeah, with. He was trying to escape with his 00:04:53.980 --> 00:04:57.620 girlfriend. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was on 00:04:57.620 --> 00:05:00.019 the run and he was intercepted by some Italian 00:05:00.019 --> 00:05:04.170 partisans. Sure. As one is. As one is. As one 00:05:04.170 --> 00:05:07.170 is when they are attempting to escape from the 00:05:07.170 --> 00:05:09.089 authorities when your government is toppled. 00:05:09.170 --> 00:05:12.810 Yeah. So he was apprehended and he was jailed. 00:05:12.810 --> 00:05:15.509 Sure. The commander ordered two of his men to 00:05:15.509 --> 00:05:18.569 kill him. So they went there. The original gun 00:05:18.569 --> 00:05:21.009 was jammed. He grabbed a different gun and then 00:05:21.009 --> 00:05:24.189 he shot him at 4 .10 p .m. Like this is all documented 00:05:24.189 --> 00:05:26.870 through the partisan military structure, right? 00:05:27.009 --> 00:05:30.360 Yeah. There's two guys who... claimed to have 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:33.579 done it. And this is the official. Adusio and 00:05:33.579 --> 00:05:38.060 Aldo Lampretti, I believe. Okay. And these guys, 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:40.699 they said they did it. And the one guy wrote 00:05:40.699 --> 00:05:44.459 a book about it. And there's these Adusio and 00:05:44.459 --> 00:05:47.240 Lampretti have some minor disagreements about 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:49.819 the story, as happens when you kill somebody 00:05:49.819 --> 00:05:52.759 in cold blood. But it's generally accepted that 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:55.800 these two guys shot him, trying to escape to 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:59.029 the Swiss border. And then they drug these two 00:05:59.029 --> 00:06:01.230 characters to the village and hung them upside 00:06:01.230 --> 00:06:03.069 down and the villagers whipped them in a public 00:06:03.069 --> 00:06:05.250 square. So there's a shit ton of witnesses to 00:06:05.250 --> 00:06:09.170 their corpses being mutilated, right? Yep. And 00:06:09.170 --> 00:06:11.189 then... I'm sorry, whose corpses were mutilated? 00:06:11.730 --> 00:06:14.730 Mussolini and Pachichi, his girlfriend. Mussolini, 00:06:14.730 --> 00:06:16.430 his girlfriend. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, we're 00:06:16.430 --> 00:06:17.850 left in a public square. I thought you were saying 00:06:17.850 --> 00:06:21.319 the two men that shot him were... No, no, no, 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:23.160 no. The two men that shot him. Disagreement then. 00:06:23.339 --> 00:06:25.639 But anyway. No, no, no. The two men that shot 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:28.740 him were just like guys in the Italian resistance 00:06:28.740 --> 00:06:30.740 who were ordered by their commander to shoot 00:06:30.740 --> 00:06:32.759 Mussolini. Then they did. They drug him into 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:35.220 a square. And then they buried him in an unmarked 00:06:35.220 --> 00:06:37.959 grave. And then apparently some fascists stole 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:41.660 his body. And they recovered it. And then they 00:06:41.660 --> 00:06:45.980 hid it. And then at 57, he was put in a big mausoleum 00:06:45.980 --> 00:06:48.970 for his family. And apparently it's like. A bunch 00:06:48.970 --> 00:06:51.370 of fascists go there every year and have a party 00:06:51.370 --> 00:06:55.670 on his birthday or some shit. Sure. But so this 00:06:55.670 --> 00:06:57.949 is where the official story ends, because even 00:06:57.949 --> 00:07:00.810 though like there has to be or has to have been 00:07:00.810 --> 00:07:03.410 hundreds of people that mutilated Mussolini's 00:07:03.410 --> 00:07:06.490 corpse after all these people are gone. Now there's, 00:07:06.490 --> 00:07:08.829 you know, conspiracy theories that rise up and 00:07:08.829 --> 00:07:11.810 it's not helped because the very first one is 00:07:11.810 --> 00:07:15.310 that there's two guys named Luigi Longo and Sandro 00:07:15.310 --> 00:07:19.939 Pertini who are. big time guys in Italian politics. 00:07:20.019 --> 00:07:22.100 One is the president of the Communist Party and 00:07:22.100 --> 00:07:24.699 one was the president of Italy. And they both 00:07:24.699 --> 00:07:27.920 claim to have killed Mussolini after the fact, 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:30.939 even though, to further their political gains. 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:33.759 So this is the first conspiracy, right? The official 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:36.360 version, two guys, we don't really know what 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:38.160 their, we don't care what their names are. They 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:40.120 just killed him and they put his body on display. 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:43.959 The first conspiracy, the former president of 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:45.699 Italy and the former leader of the Communist 00:07:45.699 --> 00:07:47.620 Party in Italy claimed to have killed him with 00:07:47.620 --> 00:07:50.899 no evidence. Yeah. Right? And this is where we 00:07:50.899 --> 00:07:57.959 get down the rabbit hole. Sure. Do you have questions 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:00.959 so far, Nate? Well, I mean, I guess the biggest 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:04.259 one is probably, do we know Mussolini actually 00:08:04.259 --> 00:08:08.240 died? I thought he was living in Argentina next 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:10.759 to Hitler. Yeah, we'll get there. Okay. We'll 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:12.680 get there. And then the other question I have, 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:14.839 and that was kind of a joke question, but the 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:17.639 other question I have is, do we know that it 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:21.139 wasn't these two people? So I was unaware that 00:08:21.139 --> 00:08:22.339 this is a controversy. Like the president of 00:08:22.339 --> 00:08:24.740 Italy and the other guy? Like, do we know it 00:08:24.740 --> 00:08:27.079 wasn't them? Like, does somebody have an alibi 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:30.040 for where they were at that time? Largely, yes. 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:33.039 You know, playing canasta with me. Yes. From 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:34.460 what I understand, it was. Would it have been 00:08:34.460 --> 00:08:37.240 too young to have been in service at that time? 00:08:37.850 --> 00:08:40.070 Oh, no, they were fighting in the Second World 00:08:40.070 --> 00:08:42.870 War, and they wanted to boost their popularity, 00:08:43.190 --> 00:08:46.090 basically. So they lied about it. That's the 00:08:46.090 --> 00:08:48.769 thing, is the only real proof of the death of 00:08:48.769 --> 00:08:53.370 Mussolini is the word of these two guys, and 00:08:53.370 --> 00:08:55.629 one of which wrote a book. But we do know that, 00:08:55.669 --> 00:08:58.370 almost undoubtedly, the former president and 00:08:58.370 --> 00:09:00.870 the former leader of the Communist Party were 00:09:00.870 --> 00:09:03.850 not in the area where Mussolini was killed. Because 00:09:03.850 --> 00:09:07.360 they do know that he was... Put on display, right? 00:09:07.419 --> 00:09:09.360 There's hundreds of witnesses. But we'll get 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:12.899 into that as people age, of course. Sure. They 00:09:12.899 --> 00:09:15.080 can't speak for themselves anymore because they 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:18.299 die, and then people will just make shit up. 00:09:18.419 --> 00:09:21.500 Yeah, co -opt their story or, you know, what 00:09:21.500 --> 00:09:27.860 have you. Okay, so a quick rehash for our listeners 00:09:27.860 --> 00:09:30.120 because not every listener would be of our age, 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:32.539 Mike. Older than us, they might even be younger 00:09:32.539 --> 00:09:34.700 than us. Do you want to do a quick recap of who 00:09:34.700 --> 00:09:38.720 Mussolini was? Oh, sure. Mussolini was the head 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:42.399 of the Italian fascist party. He was the leader 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:45.100 of Italy during World War II. He was an ally 00:09:45.100 --> 00:09:49.159 of Germany, part of the Axis powers, and he was 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:52.419 instrumental in developing fascist ideology. 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.600 He was a socialist turned fascist for purely 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:00.259 ideological reasons. Sure. He was not anti -Semitic. 00:10:00.259 --> 00:10:04.679 There were no pogroms or death camps in fascist 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:08.220 Italy, and he was largely a fascist based on 00:10:08.220 --> 00:10:11.240 economic grounds. So while he wasn't necessarily 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:16.440 the nicest, softest ruler in the world at the 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:20.720 time, he was well -liked by his population, and 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:23.299 he didn't believe in exterminating anybody. Oh, 00:10:23.340 --> 00:10:26.009 okay. It's kind of weird in hindsight. because 00:10:26.009 --> 00:10:29.710 Franco was a dictator of Spain, and he did not 00:10:29.710 --> 00:10:32.529 join in World War II. And it's mildly surprising 00:10:32.529 --> 00:10:35.570 that Mussolini joined either, because he didn't 00:10:35.570 --> 00:10:38.029 have a lot in common with Hitler and Germany. 00:10:38.190 --> 00:10:41.929 The political interests of Italy were not aligned, 00:10:42.110 --> 00:10:44.350 other than the fact that he wanted to invade 00:10:44.350 --> 00:10:47.370 Greece, and he wanted to expand, and that was 00:10:47.370 --> 00:10:50.450 kind of their combination. But he wasn't like 00:10:50.450 --> 00:10:53.139 a... Like a villain. You don't hear a lot about 00:10:53.139 --> 00:10:56.100 Mussolini now because it's hard to make him the 00:10:56.100 --> 00:10:59.000 evil person that was defeated by the good guy, 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:02.879 you know? Sure. I mean, obviously, he was disliked 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:05.940 enough to be executed and mutilated and displayed. 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:08.179 Well, I mean, he was a fascist dictator, right? 00:11:08.419 --> 00:11:10.259 Yeah, yeah. He just wasn't like... Well, I mean, 00:11:10.259 --> 00:11:12.139 you know, you're saying it's hard to make him 00:11:12.139 --> 00:11:15.000 an enemy, but obviously, at the time, anyway, 00:11:15.139 --> 00:11:17.179 if you were one of his subjects or whatever, 00:11:17.340 --> 00:11:19.460 you might have hard feelings against him. But 00:11:19.460 --> 00:11:23.070 again... You could say probably similar things 00:11:23.070 --> 00:11:27.110 about a lot of our recent U .S. presidents. I'm 00:11:27.110 --> 00:11:29.070 not saying do this. I'm just saying there are 00:11:29.070 --> 00:11:32.169 a good number of people on either side, depending 00:11:32.169 --> 00:11:33.909 on which president you're talking about. If the 00:11:33.909 --> 00:11:36.610 president were executed and displayed, I'm sure 00:11:36.610 --> 00:11:38.730 there is a large swath of the population that 00:11:38.730 --> 00:11:42.210 would go and mutilate their bodies. It doesn't 00:11:42.210 --> 00:11:45.230 matter what side. I'm not saying do that. I'm 00:11:45.230 --> 00:11:47.830 just saying people that are high profile like 00:11:47.830 --> 00:11:49.860 that. have people that love them and have people 00:11:49.860 --> 00:11:52.379 that hate them. So it's not necessarily surprising, 00:11:52.580 --> 00:11:54.659 but I get your point that he wasn't necessarily 00:11:54.659 --> 00:11:57.919 doing bad things to his population. Right, and 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:00.700 they just were recovering from an invasion and 00:12:00.700 --> 00:12:03.340 they lost a war. Then bad things happen to leaders 00:12:03.340 --> 00:12:06.639 that lose wars anywhere, no matter what. Good 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:10.399 thing America's never lost one. Yeah, right. 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:13.519 Well, they just never end. I mean, there's been 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:15.960 some conflicts we haven't won, but not full -out 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:18.960 wars. Well, yeah. Big, big time wars where we're 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:21.960 going to, if we lose, we die. For sure. Well, 00:12:21.980 --> 00:12:24.000 yeah. I mean, like the Vietnam, the Vietnam wasn't 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:25.799 a war. That was a conflict, wasn't it? Yeah, 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:27.960 it was. They call it the Vietnam War now, but. 00:12:28.059 --> 00:12:29.779 Well, yeah. Those good old boys definitely had 00:12:29.779 --> 00:12:32.519 a hard time getting into the VFW. So. Yeah, yeah. 00:12:32.700 --> 00:12:34.600 Yeah. We're not in life and death struggles. 00:12:34.779 --> 00:12:36.679 Italy was in a life and death struggle that was 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:39.059 existential in nature. Like there was good odds 00:12:39.059 --> 00:12:41.019 that every single Italian was going to die in 00:12:41.019 --> 00:12:43.259 that war. For sure. Total annihilation was on 00:12:43.259 --> 00:12:45.649 the table. Yeah. So we haven't been in a war 00:12:45.649 --> 00:12:48.210 like that in the United States for probably since 00:12:48.210 --> 00:12:50.190 the Civil War. You know, even World War II for 00:12:50.190 --> 00:12:52.570 us wasn't that serious. Yeah. I mean, it started 00:12:52.570 --> 00:12:55.590 out fairly serious, I guess with the threat, 00:12:55.649 --> 00:12:57.529 you know, but you could go and win. I mean, the 00:12:57.529 --> 00:13:00.070 threat level was high, but it wasn't like existential, 00:13:00.289 --> 00:13:03.990 like the Germans are going to bomb us until there 00:13:03.990 --> 00:13:07.679 is nobody left alive in this place. Yeah. I mean, 00:13:07.700 --> 00:13:10.259 at the time, I think it was probably existential 00:13:10.259 --> 00:13:13.220 like that because they didn't know the capacity. 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:16.139 You know, it was an unknown. But in retrospect, 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:19.039 we can say, yes, it was a terrible attack. But 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:21.279 looking at it and looking at their forces and 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:23.039 looking at everything, like there's no way, like 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:27.779 there's no way really to launch a full out invasion 00:13:27.779 --> 00:13:30.940 or airstrike of America because it's so massive. 00:13:31.340 --> 00:13:33.100 I'm not saying there's no way. I'm sure there 00:13:33.100 --> 00:13:35.639 are ways. I'm sure if you conscripted every, 00:13:35.740 --> 00:13:38.700 you know. fighting -aged Chinese person in the 00:13:38.700 --> 00:13:41.019 military and they chose to invade, they'd have 00:13:41.019 --> 00:13:43.460 the population to do it. But it would come at 00:13:43.460 --> 00:13:45.960 a heavy cost for every side. They could invade, 00:13:46.299 --> 00:13:49.940 but they'd have to cross the Rockies. And once 00:13:49.940 --> 00:13:51.519 they cross the Rockies, then they have to cross 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:54.129 the plains. And now you have a whole culture 00:13:54.129 --> 00:13:57.970 that is surrounded by just guns and shooting 00:13:57.970 --> 00:14:00.490 long distances and driving across the plains. 00:14:00.669 --> 00:14:02.889 So good luck conquering those people. And they 00:14:02.889 --> 00:14:05.070 grew up watching Red Dawn. Absolutely. There 00:14:05.070 --> 00:14:07.610 was a World War II general who developed a war 00:14:07.610 --> 00:14:10.169 plan based on that. The idea that like the Deer 00:14:10.169 --> 00:14:11.830 Hunter Army, I think is what he called them. 00:14:11.909 --> 00:14:15.769 Oh, sure. Yeah. And there still is the deer hunter 00:14:15.769 --> 00:14:17.889 army. Not like there was, but for sure. Yes. 00:14:17.990 --> 00:14:20.509 Okay. Carry on with your Mussolini stuff. We 00:14:20.509 --> 00:14:22.669 got a little sidetracked. That's okay. Do you 00:14:22.669 --> 00:14:24.710 want to do a cigar check, Mike? Sure. I'm like 00:14:24.710 --> 00:14:27.309 a quarter of the way through. Oh, okay. I'm over 00:14:27.309 --> 00:14:30.230 a quarter, but less than a half. This is a good 00:14:30.230 --> 00:14:32.470 stick. It's decent. Yeah. Decent stick. It's 00:14:32.470 --> 00:14:34.990 getting a little harder to draw through as I 00:14:34.990 --> 00:14:37.250 go along, but not too terrible. It wouldn't surprise 00:14:37.250 --> 00:14:40.590 me because at this price point, QC isn't quite 00:14:40.590 --> 00:14:43.250 as high as a more expensive cigar. A lot of times. 00:14:44.310 --> 00:14:46.909 Yeah, the what? The quality control isn't quite 00:14:46.909 --> 00:14:49.450 there. Oh, yeah, sure. All right. Now, I have 00:14:49.450 --> 00:14:52.610 12 total conspiracies. Oh, I'm sorry, eight. 00:14:52.909 --> 00:14:55.370 Okay. Eight in addition to the one I've already 00:14:55.370 --> 00:14:57.690 discussed. And we're going to go over it. And, 00:14:57.690 --> 00:15:00.049 yeah, there we go. So, conspiracy number one, 00:15:00.090 --> 00:15:03.929 well, number two, is murder by the Allies. There's 00:15:03.929 --> 00:15:06.750 a theory that Mussolini's death was orchestrated 00:15:06.750 --> 00:15:09.330 by either the English or the Americans to prevent 00:15:09.330 --> 00:15:13.789 him being used as a pawn in the post -war settlement. 00:15:14.149 --> 00:15:16.850 Okay. And according to this theory, Mussolini 00:15:16.850 --> 00:15:19.929 was executed by the partisans, same as that, 00:15:20.049 --> 00:15:22.669 but instead of being ordered by the local captain 00:15:22.669 --> 00:15:25.549 slash commander, it was ordered by the U .S. 00:15:25.549 --> 00:15:28.090 government. And their evidence is that Mussolini 00:15:28.090 --> 00:15:30.799 was... under the control of the partisan groups, 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:33.240 and those partisan groups had very strong connections 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:36.100 to the Allies. Sure. But there's no evidence, 00:15:36.299 --> 00:15:39.659 so. Conspiracy theory three was Mussolini committed 00:15:39.659 --> 00:15:42.299 suicide. A la Hillary Clinton -style suicide, 00:15:42.419 --> 00:15:45.899 or? Basically, the theory is that Mussolini committed 00:15:45.899 --> 00:15:49.700 suicide before capture, and that partisans claimed 00:15:49.700 --> 00:15:52.419 they killed him for political reasons, which 00:15:52.419 --> 00:15:54.240 Mussolini killed himself for political reasons 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:56.759 as well, which, yeah, maybe. Well, I mean, if 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:58.600 he killed himself for fear of being captured, 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:01.600 By, you know, I'd say the good guys. Did the 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.399 good guys, in fact, not kill him? I mean, you 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:06.039 know. Right, exactly. You could make that philosophical 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:08.299 question. Like, if he killed himself because 00:16:08.299 --> 00:16:10.460 he was fearing capture by, you know, the United 00:16:10.460 --> 00:16:14.080 States and Britain and France and whatever, then 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:18.039 that fear directly led to him dying. So you could 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:20.600 make the claim, you know. Anyway, interesting. 00:16:21.019 --> 00:16:23.580 Exactly. Carry on. Yes. And by the way, the evidence 00:16:23.580 --> 00:16:27.679 is scant for that. He didn't show signs of... 00:16:28.169 --> 00:16:30.269 A short range shooting like you would have if 00:16:30.269 --> 00:16:32.070 you shot yourself. Let's put it that way. Yeah, 00:16:32.110 --> 00:16:33.690 I mean, most people that kill themselves these 00:16:33.690 --> 00:16:36.330 days is what, double tap back of the head? Yeah, 00:16:36.490 --> 00:16:38.509 I think it's two shotgun blasts to the face after 00:16:38.509 --> 00:16:42.190 you hang yourself on a farm in rural Arkansas. 00:16:42.470 --> 00:16:45.350 Yeah, or in a jail cell where all the cameras 00:16:45.350 --> 00:16:47.909 suddenly turn off. And anyway. All the cameras 00:16:47.909 --> 00:16:50.370 suddenly turn off and the guards disappear into 00:16:50.370 --> 00:16:55.139 the ether. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, conspiracy 00:16:55.139 --> 00:16:57.679 theory number four, Mussolini was murdered by 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:00.200 his own people. This suggests that Mussolini 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.620 was executed by high -ranking Italians who were 00:17:03.620 --> 00:17:07.000 disillusioned, and this possibly was members 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:10.619 of the fascist party or possibly his generals. 00:17:10.859 --> 00:17:13.400 But he was killed by Italians, wasn't he? Yeah, 00:17:13.420 --> 00:17:15.680 he was. He was killed by Italians, but not his 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.299 own. Sure. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so it's 00:17:18.299 --> 00:17:20.119 not like that far -fetched, but... No, it's not. 00:17:20.140 --> 00:17:23.400 It's not far -fetched at all. Yeah. And it's 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:25.700 based on the fact that Mussolini isolated himself 00:17:25.700 --> 00:17:29.039 in the last months of the war. Okay. And they 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:32.759 think that this may have been not due to security 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:35.539 reasons, but due to inner fights amongst his 00:17:35.539 --> 00:17:38.079 inner circle, potentially. And there's not really 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:40.640 any evidence for it, but it's, you know, rational. 00:17:40.859 --> 00:17:43.460 Yeah. All right. Conspiracy number five. Mussolini's 00:17:43.460 --> 00:17:46.029 death was faked. which you mentioned before. 00:17:46.470 --> 00:17:49.150 Yeah. Some people believe that Mussolini's death 00:17:49.150 --> 00:17:53.589 was staged, and it was a secret plan to escape 00:17:53.589 --> 00:17:56.910 the Allied army. According to this theory, Mussolini 00:17:56.910 --> 00:17:59.829 smuggled himself out of Italy to Spain or South 00:17:59.829 --> 00:18:03.049 America, where he lived in hiding for many years. 00:18:03.470 --> 00:18:05.630 Yes. And of course, there's been sightings of 00:18:05.630 --> 00:18:08.710 Mussolini after 1945. Of course there have been. 00:18:08.809 --> 00:18:11.289 But of course, him and his girlfriend were displayed 00:18:11.289 --> 00:18:15.700 publicly after their death. They have their corpses, 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:17.980 and you could do genetic testing if you really 00:18:17.980 --> 00:18:20.519 wanted to. Yeah, that would be interesting. And 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:24.640 is there, and I don't, I'm not into, like, there's 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:26.680 a whole style of photography for this, and I'm 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:28.700 not a fan of it personally because I don't like 00:18:28.700 --> 00:18:32.420 seeing this kind of stuff. But is there any photographic 00:18:32.420 --> 00:18:34.559 evidence of their bodies displayed? Like, I feel 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:36.279 like some war photographer somewhere has to have 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:39.309 pictures. I mean. They documented a lot when 00:18:39.309 --> 00:18:42.289 they took over Europe. So I would, they almost 00:18:42.289 --> 00:18:44.609 has to be, right? Sure. It almost has to be. 00:18:44.690 --> 00:18:47.250 And certainly, they say they have Mussolini's 00:18:47.250 --> 00:18:50.609 body. So you really could test his corpse. For 00:18:50.609 --> 00:18:52.509 sure. And they have his girlfriend's body. And 00:18:52.509 --> 00:18:55.710 you could, you know, test her. Yeah, the girlfriend, 00:18:55.890 --> 00:18:59.390 I don't know. It depends because this DNA testing 00:18:59.390 --> 00:19:01.470 stuff, you have to have DNA to compare it again. 00:19:01.609 --> 00:19:03.809 So you'd have to have a Mussolini living relative 00:19:03.809 --> 00:19:06.109 or something. You'd have to have a girlfriend's 00:19:06.109 --> 00:19:07.890 living relative or something. Well, they certainly, 00:19:08.069 --> 00:19:10.369 almost certainly, they have relatives alive today. 00:19:10.549 --> 00:19:12.730 I'm not saying they don't. I'm just, you know, 00:19:12.769 --> 00:19:15.069 like they'd have to consent to it and all this 00:19:15.069 --> 00:19:17.549 stuff. It's likely not. I know we're doing a 00:19:17.549 --> 00:19:19.390 whole episode on conspiracy theories, but I don't 00:19:19.390 --> 00:19:22.289 know that it's like a big enough thing for people 00:19:22.289 --> 00:19:24.569 to actually go through the process of getting 00:19:24.569 --> 00:19:27.650 all the waivers and the... stuff to exhume a 00:19:27.650 --> 00:19:31.329 body and test the body and test the living descendants 00:19:31.329 --> 00:19:34.609 and compare you know i don't know there has to 00:19:34.609 --> 00:19:37.029 be some whole like super nerd group that did 00:19:37.029 --> 00:19:39.569 a go fund me or something to get all the all 00:19:39.569 --> 00:19:42.509 the money and stuff oh yeah quite possibly and 00:19:42.509 --> 00:19:45.329 i know like uh i wasn't even aware of this until 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:48.420 a couple months ago at all apparently it's big 00:19:48.420 --> 00:19:50.740 time in italy but oh well yeah they're not sense 00:19:50.740 --> 00:19:53.519 yeah we it doesn't it didn't spread to the states 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:55.940 i guess right well yeah i mean when you think 00:19:55.940 --> 00:19:58.259 about world war ii you don't really ever think 00:19:58.259 --> 00:20:00.819 about mussolini you know you think about russia 00:20:00.819 --> 00:20:03.519 flopping sides you think about i don't know the 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.119 german guy i guess um right a little bit about 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:09.740 japan there's a lot of the stuff there is kind 00:20:09.740 --> 00:20:13.099 of glossed over nowadays because of political 00:20:13.099 --> 00:20:16.619 reasons well yeah it's uh you know what happened 00:20:16.619 --> 00:20:21.079 the response is a little controversial and uh 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:24.059 right you know i mean but you don't you don't 00:20:24.059 --> 00:20:26.640 ever really think of and there's a lot of other 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:28.880 countries involved you know it wasn't really 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:31.319 like america going to save the day there was 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:33.539 a lot of other countries involved that did equally 00:20:33.539 --> 00:20:35.839 great things and there's a lot of other countries 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:38.079 like germany that did equally terrible things 00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:40.960 and you just you kind of Get the condensed version 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:43.839 unless you're a huge, like, history buff, right? 00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:48.160 So the need to do a Mussolini conspiracy theory 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:52.019 DNA test is less than doing, like, a Hitler survival 00:20:52.019 --> 00:20:54.680 DNA test or something. Like, that would happen 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:56.619 before anything else would happen. For sure. 00:20:56.680 --> 00:20:58.359 Well, there's American money behind one and not 00:20:58.359 --> 00:21:01.059 the other, right? People are so ill -educated 00:21:01.059 --> 00:21:04.680 that it's like the Ukrainian soldier that fought 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:07.099 against Russia during World War II going to the 00:21:07.099 --> 00:21:09.339 fucking Parliament of Canada, right? They're 00:21:09.339 --> 00:21:11.059 so ill -educated, they think that's going to 00:21:11.059 --> 00:21:13.720 fly and nobody will notice that he was on the 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:17.420 bad team, so to speak. Like demonstrably, demonstrably 00:21:17.420 --> 00:21:19.680 the bad team. Yeah. And by and large, most people 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:21.519 don't care these days, which is sad. I mean, 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:24.019 people don't do the research anymore. No. Yeah. 00:21:24.059 --> 00:21:30.349 Russia bad. Well. Not in 1943. Yeah, but 1941 00:21:30.349 --> 00:21:33.130 was a different story. Well, yeah, 1941 and 1946, 00:21:33.650 --> 00:21:39.450 two totally different years. I still love the 00:21:39.450 --> 00:21:43.400 Family Guy movie they put out. Stewie and Brian 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:46.700 were doing a tour of Europe and they were on 00:21:46.700 --> 00:21:50.279 like a double -decker bus in Germany. And they 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:53.099 were like, yep. And then, you know, after this, 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:58.079 they jumped from like 1930 to 1960 or 1980 or 00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:00.259 something. And Brian's like, hey, wait, what 00:22:00.259 --> 00:22:02.819 happened in like 1940s? And he's like, nothing. 00:22:02.940 --> 00:22:07.759 The entire country was on vacation. The German 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:10.359 tour guide. So, you know, I mean, there's things 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:12.660 you want to forget, I guess, for sure. But I 00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:14.740 think it's important to understand where you've 00:22:14.740 --> 00:22:16.980 come from or things that have happened because 00:22:16.980 --> 00:22:20.019 what is it? Like those who don't study history 00:22:20.019 --> 00:22:22.000 are doomed to repeat it or something. Something 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:24.059 like that. Although from what I've seen is even 00:22:24.059 --> 00:22:25.619 if you study history, it just still repeats. 00:22:25.779 --> 00:22:28.059 So I don't know. Don't know if studying prevents 00:22:28.059 --> 00:22:30.099 anything. It's kind of like Smokey the Bear telling 00:22:30.099 --> 00:22:32.000 me only I can prevent forest fires, but I've 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:33.680 never started one, but several have started. 00:22:33.740 --> 00:22:36.339 So I guess I'm slacking somewhere, right? Yeah. 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:38.440 It doesn't repeat, but it rhymes. That's for 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:40.900 sure. Yeah. And things that rhyme are more likely 00:22:40.900 --> 00:22:43.559 to be believed as true. I've heard studies on 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:46.160 that. Oh, there we go. What rhymes with Mussolini? 00:22:47.180 --> 00:22:54.220 Alive South America. Oh, boy. So we're going 00:22:54.220 --> 00:22:58.089 to move on to number six. We got four left, I 00:22:58.089 --> 00:23:00.589 think. All right. Let's see here. Mussolini was 00:23:00.589 --> 00:23:04.890 killed by a secret fascist resistance. So this 00:23:04.890 --> 00:23:08.549 theory is that a covert group that felt Mussolini 00:23:08.549 --> 00:23:10.789 had betrayed Italy by allying with Nazi Germany 00:23:10.789 --> 00:23:13.849 and failing to protect Italian interests assassinated 00:23:13.849 --> 00:23:19.970 him. And this has... Not clear evidence, let's 00:23:19.970 --> 00:23:22.390 put it that way. Yeah. But the theory is that 00:23:22.390 --> 00:23:24.869 a well -placed fascist informant would have killed 00:23:24.869 --> 00:23:27.809 him. And a lot of these conspiracy theories are 00:23:27.809 --> 00:23:29.690 politically convenient for political parties 00:23:29.690 --> 00:23:32.309 that existed in Italy after World War II, right? 00:23:32.529 --> 00:23:34.869 Yeah. It's pretty convenient for the political 00:23:34.869 --> 00:23:37.049 party that the president belongs to if the president 00:23:37.049 --> 00:23:41.210 personally shot Mussolini. That's a huge feather 00:23:41.210 --> 00:23:44.079 in that guy's cap. Yeah, exactly. Like, it's 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:46.660 pretty cool that the Communist Party leader killed 00:23:46.660 --> 00:23:53.500 Mussolini. Their names have never been released. 00:23:53.539 --> 00:23:58.000 It was me. Yeah, exactly. They are lying. I killed 00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:02.400 Mussolini. Yes. No, I am Spartacus. I am Spartacus. 00:24:04.850 --> 00:24:07.950 So another conspiracy theory, and this is along 00:24:07.950 --> 00:24:10.349 the same lines, that Mussolini was killed by 00:24:10.349 --> 00:24:13.970 communist partisans in an attempt to... you know 00:24:13.970 --> 00:24:17.329 damage fascism as a political movement and there 00:24:17.329 --> 00:24:20.170 were communist partisans in the group that captured 00:24:20.170 --> 00:24:23.549 mussolini however it's unclear that there was 00:24:23.549 --> 00:24:25.490 any sort of directive from the communist party 00:24:25.490 --> 00:24:30.970 and it's really not that crazy so yeah well and 00:24:30.970 --> 00:24:33.809 i highly doubt that the commanding officer when 00:24:33.809 --> 00:24:35.589 he's like i need two people to shoot mussolini 00:24:36.009 --> 00:24:37.750 that he would say, I need to be able to shoot 00:24:37.750 --> 00:24:39.750 Mussolini, but they need to be communists. I 00:24:39.750 --> 00:24:42.009 feel like it was one of those instances where 00:24:42.009 --> 00:24:43.910 it's just like, I'm going to pick two people 00:24:43.910 --> 00:24:45.809 that are near me or whose names I can remember 00:24:45.809 --> 00:24:48.470 and have them do it. And it's not really like 00:24:48.470 --> 00:24:49.750 it's got to get done. We've got to do it right 00:24:49.750 --> 00:24:51.849 now before he gets away or anything else happens 00:24:51.849 --> 00:24:53.769 or whatever, you know, and let's make it happen 00:24:53.769 --> 00:24:56.329 and be done with it. And not really like a thought 00:24:56.329 --> 00:24:58.250 out thing. And it could potentially be that both 00:24:58.250 --> 00:25:00.089 of the people that shot Mussolini were communists. 00:25:00.089 --> 00:25:03.170 Who knows? It's possible. But I don't think it 00:25:03.170 --> 00:25:04.890 was by design. I don't think it was by design. 00:25:05.089 --> 00:25:08.130 If that were true. Right. Well, and like I say, 00:25:08.250 --> 00:25:11.470 this is related, but apparently there's 12 people 00:25:11.470 --> 00:25:14.210 who were all partisans at that time. So active 00:25:14.210 --> 00:25:16.509 combatants who claimed to kill Mussolini. And 00:25:16.509 --> 00:25:19.250 like some of them very clearly had political 00:25:19.250 --> 00:25:22.250 motivations. Others wrote books about it. Right. 00:25:22.349 --> 00:25:25.569 Like, so certainly Mussolini was shot by somebody. 00:25:26.109 --> 00:25:30.069 Yeah. And I guess like the counterpoint of that 00:25:30.069 --> 00:25:32.490 is if there's 12 people that claim to have shot 00:25:32.490 --> 00:25:34.430 Mussolini. I don't know if that includes the 00:25:34.430 --> 00:25:37.089 president or whatever, the other guy. It does. 00:25:37.150 --> 00:25:39.730 It does. Yeah. 10 people plus them. Okay. 10 00:25:39.730 --> 00:25:41.549 people plus them. But maybe that was by design 00:25:41.549 --> 00:25:43.230 too. Like they want to protect the people who 00:25:43.230 --> 00:25:45.250 did it. Right. And say, hey, you guys claim that 00:25:45.250 --> 00:25:47.150 you did it. I mean, it could be like a counter. 00:25:47.529 --> 00:25:50.349 Right. In real politic. Yeah. In real politic, 00:25:50.450 --> 00:25:52.750 if you were to commit an act like that, you would 00:25:52.750 --> 00:25:54.670 have a whole group to claim to do it. And you'd 00:25:54.670 --> 00:25:56.150 have people part of that group that weren't even 00:25:56.150 --> 00:25:58.230 fucking there. Yeah. Like on purpose. You'd have 00:25:58.230 --> 00:26:00.390 like. You'd purposely muddy the waters is what 00:26:00.390 --> 00:26:01.890 you would do. Yeah. You would purposely muddy 00:26:01.890 --> 00:26:04.789 the water to cover. it up so your whole sub group 00:26:04.789 --> 00:26:08.130 even though jim bob was clearly at the bar like 00:26:08.130 --> 00:26:10.589 the entire time you know he's gonna claim it 00:26:10.589 --> 00:26:14.509 too or whatever so there we go okay eighth theory 00:26:14.509 --> 00:26:18.480 let's see here Mussolini was killed in a double 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.400 cross by his captors. Some people claim that 00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:24.279 the partisans who captured him had no intention 00:26:24.279 --> 00:26:27.640 to execute him and made a deal with Mussolini 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:30.859 so that he wouldn't be executed. And then they 00:26:30.859 --> 00:26:34.059 basically executed him anyway. That'd be hard 00:26:34.059 --> 00:26:38.740 to prove or disprove. It's, yeah, it's... A theory 00:26:38.740 --> 00:26:40.619 based on speculation without evidence. Like, 00:26:40.660 --> 00:26:42.720 the idea is that he willingly turned himself 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:45.240 in, was not captured, and then was executed anyway. 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:47.559 Which has happened in the past, but then again, 00:26:47.740 --> 00:26:50.140 there's no way to prove or disprove that. So, 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:53.079 it's nonsense. Like, it's just a variant of the 00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:55.559 exact story that is the official story. Yeah. 00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.839 More or less. So this is spicy. This last one. 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:00.940 This is the last one that we're going to cover. 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:03.640 And I like this. Did a trans athlete run him 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:11.920 down? Very close. Okay. Let's do this. Buckle 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:16.319 up. Yeah. Mussolini was assassinated by a Nazi. 00:27:17.130 --> 00:27:20.289 Plot. Okay. This was executed by the Germans, 00:27:20.349 --> 00:27:24.170 who wished to eliminate them after Hitler decided 00:27:24.170 --> 00:27:27.390 Mussolini wasn't a very nice guy anymore. Sure. 00:27:28.609 --> 00:27:32.990 Says the guy who told his commanding officers 00:27:32.990 --> 00:27:35.329 to poison their fucking children in the bunker. 00:27:35.549 --> 00:27:38.849 Okay, Mussolini's not a nice guy. Carry on. Yes, 00:27:38.849 --> 00:27:41.630 yes. The theory goes that despite the fact that 00:27:41.630 --> 00:27:45.670 Italy had fallen to the Allies, that Hitler was... 00:27:46.009 --> 00:27:48.910 hyper -paranoid about Mussolini coming to Germany 00:27:48.910 --> 00:27:52.650 and overthrowing him in Germany, and that he 00:27:52.650 --> 00:27:56.710 ordered him assassinated by a Nazi secret agent. 00:27:57.109 --> 00:28:00.130 Sure. I mean, that's the most believable of all 00:28:00.130 --> 00:28:02.470 these conspiracy theories so far, outside of 00:28:02.470 --> 00:28:04.650 the official story. Right, right, right, right. 00:28:04.869 --> 00:28:06.789 Well, that's great. It'd be a great movie. Well, 00:28:06.809 --> 00:28:09.289 yeah, I mean, and Hitler did literally turn on 00:28:09.289 --> 00:28:11.390 almost every single one of his allies. He did. 00:28:11.569 --> 00:28:14.359 Oh, he did. Big time. Then the evidence for this 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:17.440 is that Mussolini had never had a great relationship 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:21.099 with the big man, and it declined rapidly as 00:28:21.099 --> 00:28:24.200 the years advanced. It's apparently known that 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:26.660 there were a lot of Nazi, high -ranking Nazi 00:28:26.660 --> 00:28:29.779 officials who attempted to save Mussolini and 00:28:29.779 --> 00:28:32.880 get him out of Italy before it fell. Okay. It's 00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:35.279 just based on the fact that Mussolini and Hitler 00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:37.660 apparently did not like each other at all, which 00:28:37.660 --> 00:28:40.660 is not surprising. It's not surprising. You said 00:28:40.660 --> 00:28:42.299 at the top of the episode they didn't have that 00:28:42.299 --> 00:28:45.259 much in common to begin with. No, no. Mussolini 00:28:45.259 --> 00:28:49.920 was like an author and he was a politician, like 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.259 a real politician. Well, I mean, Hitler was an 00:28:52.259 --> 00:28:55.400 author too. Well. People talk about his book 00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:58.920 more than they talk about Mussolini's books. 00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:02.259 That's true. I quote Mussolini a lot about fascism, 00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:06.180 but he's like the guy who developed fascism into 00:29:06.180 --> 00:29:08.559 a political ideology. Sure. You know, like he's 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:11.710 got like real. If he wasn't the dictator of Italy, 00:29:11.890 --> 00:29:15.089 he would still be famous as a political scholar. 00:29:15.250 --> 00:29:17.609 Yeah, as a college professor somewhere in California. 00:29:18.289 --> 00:29:20.930 Exactly. Yeah, he would have been a college professor 00:29:20.930 --> 00:29:24.759 somewhere. Yeah, exactly. Like he could have 00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:27.259 been at the Chicago School of Economics in the 00:29:27.259 --> 00:29:29.619 60s. Oh, yeah. He would have loved it there. 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:31.480 Right. He would have loved it there. They would 00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:35.160 have loved his political ideologies. And he was 00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:38.339 all about combining the state with corporate 00:29:38.339 --> 00:29:41.819 efficiency and all this rhetoric we still hear. 00:29:41.980 --> 00:29:44.099 It's just not called that anymore. Who else loves 00:29:44.099 --> 00:29:47.640 combining government with corporate? I don't 00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:49.519 know. Feels like it rings a bell, but I'd be 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:53.039 damned if I can remember the name of Musk. Keats. 00:29:53.039 --> 00:30:02.019 Bezos. Reagan. Literally any politician. Biden. 00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:09.400 Oh, God. Bill Clinton. So glad capitalism won 00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:12.839 on that front. Yeah, exactly. Well, I've heard 00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.299 that democracy won the battle and fascism won 00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:20.279 the war. Yeah. Probably true. Probably true. 00:30:20.829 --> 00:30:25.609 Probably true. But if you read Mussolini's writings, 00:30:25.730 --> 00:30:30.190 it's not crazy. Like I say, he was entirely against 00:30:30.190 --> 00:30:34.589 all the genocide business. That's where they 00:30:34.589 --> 00:30:37.490 soured mostly. And also the expansionist military 00:30:37.490 --> 00:30:40.769 policy to the extent that the Germans went to. 00:30:40.930 --> 00:30:45.250 That's wild. And that's it. It's been a rough 00:30:45.250 --> 00:30:48.230 episode. I still have like... A third of my cigar 00:30:48.230 --> 00:30:50.210 left probably. All right. I'm down to about an 00:30:50.210 --> 00:30:52.250 inch, but you know, I was just puffing away while 00:30:52.250 --> 00:30:55.309 you were sorting out your wifi and router and 00:30:55.309 --> 00:30:58.509 4k streaming and all that stuff. Yes. The 4k 00:30:58.509 --> 00:31:01.069 streaming and, uh. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, 00:31:01.069 --> 00:31:03.130 it's nice you subscribe to my OnlyFans, but you 00:31:03.130 --> 00:31:05.910 can have it like downplay to like 1080 or 720 00:31:05.910 --> 00:31:07.789 when we're recording. You don't have to watch 00:31:07.789 --> 00:31:10.690 all that stuff in 4k when we're recording. You 00:31:10.690 --> 00:31:12.289 know, I mean. Well, you know. I record it in 00:31:12.289 --> 00:31:14.450 4k so people can see all the juicy details, but. 00:31:15.299 --> 00:31:18.140 Just in case. Just not during the show. Not during 00:31:18.140 --> 00:31:20.980 the show. I mean, yeah, wait till after. Or, 00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:24.440 you know, petition your local internet provider 00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:26.799 to give you fiber. Right. Yeah, that's never 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.019 happening. Mussolini, if you're still alive out 00:31:29.019 --> 00:31:30.819 there and listening to our podcast, we'd love 00:31:30.819 --> 00:31:32.759 to have you on. You can tell us about who actually 00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:37.559 killed you. There we go. Dr. Fauci. I mean. Could 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:39.819 have been him. I mean, you know, where was he 00:31:39.819 --> 00:31:45.079 on that day? Dr. Fauci, much like an Italian 00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.440 partisan. Yeah, yeah. He might have been in Wuhan. 00:31:48.619 --> 00:31:51.359 He might have been wherever Mussolini was. Tough 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:53.859 to say. Tough to say. Anyway, those were some 00:31:53.859 --> 00:31:56.000 interesting conspiracy theories that I had never 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.079 really heard of because they don't really teach 00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:00.900 anything about Mussolini, you know, except that 00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:03.539 he was the leader of Italy at the time. But they 00:32:03.539 --> 00:32:05.940 don't really teach much beyond that or anything 00:32:05.940 --> 00:32:09.900 about his demise in modern schooling. So I didn't 00:32:09.900 --> 00:32:11.319 know anything about that either, Mike. It was 00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:14.759 very interesting. No, no. And I also, my education 00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:17.880 did not cover Mussolini a whole lot. And I went 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.519 to college to go for a history degree. So what 00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:23.400 did I learn? Nothing, obviously. Nothing important. 00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:25.799 I see you rated this one a 3. We forgot to do 00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:28.980 the rating for the last one, the Edition Especial, 00:32:29.059 --> 00:32:32.440 which we both gave a .5 because it was god -awful. 00:32:32.980 --> 00:32:34.900 It's the worst thing I've ever had. It looks 00:32:34.900 --> 00:32:39.019 like we both gave this Schizotoro a 3. It was 00:32:39.019 --> 00:32:41.619 nothing overly special, but it was enjoyable. 00:32:43.059 --> 00:32:47.119 Their little label was fantastic. I took another 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:48.680 picture of it, so that'll be on the Instagram. 00:32:48.940 --> 00:32:50.960 Yeah, the label was great. The cigar was fine. 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:53.819 It's getting a little sour towards the end, but... 00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:56.000 Yeah, it got a little sour. You got to slow down 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:57.900 at the end, for sure. But yeah, it was pleasant. 00:32:58.059 --> 00:33:01.119 A little peppery. I would put it bin quality. 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:03.940 Yeah. More or less. Yeah. This is one I would 00:33:03.940 --> 00:33:07.880 not be opposed to doing a tequila cigar of, trying 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.359 it out. No. No, I think that this would be good 00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.920 as a tequila cigar. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it had 00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:14.680 good flavor to begin with. It's not, it wasn't 00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:16.579 bland at all. Like some of the other bin cigars 00:33:16.579 --> 00:33:18.579 we've smoked have been fairly bland, but they 00:33:18.579 --> 00:33:20.460 haven't been offensive. And this one had some 00:33:20.460 --> 00:33:23.740 flavor and some, you know, character. Not overly 00:33:23.740 --> 00:33:27.240 so, but enough that. This one is not a bad cigar. 00:33:27.380 --> 00:33:31.799 This one's perfectly fine. You know, if other 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.420 cigars that were better weren't as cheap as they 00:33:34.420 --> 00:33:37.299 were, this could be a contender for, you know, 00:33:37.299 --> 00:33:40.119 something to kind of fill your humidor with or 00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:43.259 not fill, but, you know, have some on hand for, 00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.460 you know, guests or other people that might want 00:33:45.460 --> 00:33:48.039 to try a cigar. This one's not offensive. It's 00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:49.859 not overly strong. It's not overly anything. 00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:53.359 But it's decent, so it's not a bad stick to have 00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:55.839 or maybe have in your repertoire or in your humidor. 00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:58.819 Oh, yeah, this would be fine grilling, playing 00:33:58.819 --> 00:34:02.440 cards. Yeah, golf or whatever the fuck. fishing, 00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:06.059 whatever you're doing. Anyway, the Schizo Toro 00:34:06.059 --> 00:34:09.119 is a lot better than the, well, whatever the 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.539 fuck the last one we smoked was. And give it 00:34:12.539 --> 00:34:15.059 a try. I'm excited. We have a, coming up even, 00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:19.980 we have a Schizo Maduro. So, and we've always 00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:21.940 said, and Mike said this more than I have, and 00:34:21.940 --> 00:34:24.320 I've just kind of claimed it as my own, but you 00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:26.880 know, the Maduro is kind of like the dark roast 00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:28.679 coffee where you can't really mess it up. Like 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.280 it's very difficult to mess up. So if the Schizo 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:34.119 Toro toro which is what do you say habano yes 00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:37.159 the maduro should be even better i would imagine 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:40.019 i would imagine it should be plus a plused up 00:34:40.019 --> 00:34:42.239 version of this it should be better it's either 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:44.460 that or it'll be a complete lack of effort because 00:34:44.460 --> 00:34:47.940 it's of maduro Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we'll see 00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:50.159 if they gave the same care to the Maduro as they 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.800 gave to the label on this one. And I don't remember, 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.559 I was digging through and I grabbed the Maduro 00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:57.519 first out of the humidor, but then I was like, 00:34:57.559 --> 00:34:59.639 no, this isn't the right one. So I'm curious 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.440 to see what the Maduro artwork is like, but stay 00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:05.440 tuned because that's coming up in July, I believe. 00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:10.630 And if you did shoot Mussolini. Get your book 00:35:10.630 --> 00:35:13.190 published now, because everybody else who actually 00:35:13.190 --> 00:35:15.670 could have done it is probably dead. So burgeoning 00:35:15.670 --> 00:35:18.889 markets there. Almost certainly, unless you were 00:35:18.889 --> 00:35:22.489 a small child who ever killed Mussolini, even 00:35:22.489 --> 00:35:26.650 if they were 18 at the time, almost certainly 00:35:26.650 --> 00:35:29.949 they are no longer alive now. It would make them 00:35:29.949 --> 00:35:32.969 100 years old. Which is not out of the realm 00:35:32.969 --> 00:35:35.730 of possibility, but... No, it's not. I mean, 00:35:35.750 --> 00:35:40.030 my grandfather died in the early aughts, mid 00:35:40.030 --> 00:35:42.269 aughts actually. And he fought in World War II 00:35:42.269 --> 00:35:47.090 and he was 16 when it broke out. So yeah, like 00:35:47.090 --> 00:35:51.590 get your numbers together. And he was like 80 00:35:51.590 --> 00:35:55.329 when he died. Yes. Put together a good story 00:35:55.329 --> 00:36:01.760 and hopefully sell some books. well historical 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:04.639 fiction is also a genre of books so you could 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:06.659 you could certainly do that oh and then you could 00:36:06.659 --> 00:36:09.619 throw some romance elements into it i mean obviously 00:36:09.619 --> 00:36:13.309 i was surprised one of the uh Oh, sorry, Mike. 00:36:13.369 --> 00:36:16.210 Oh, go ahead. I was surprised one of the conspiracies 00:36:16.210 --> 00:36:18.289 wasn't that his girlfriend killed him or like 00:36:18.289 --> 00:36:20.789 his wife ordered a hit on him or something, right? 00:36:20.889 --> 00:36:23.010 Like, you're going to run away with her? Like, 00:36:23.030 --> 00:36:25.150 I'm going to order a hit on you. Or the girlfriend's 00:36:25.150 --> 00:36:28.369 like, I'm going to kill you so that I can escape. 00:36:28.590 --> 00:36:30.349 Like, I'm the one that killed Mussolini. You 00:36:30.349 --> 00:36:32.289 guys can take credit. Just send me somewhere 00:36:32.289 --> 00:36:34.469 else, right? Oh, right. Well, that's like the 00:36:34.469 --> 00:36:36.989 conspiracy theory that Ghislaine is not actually 00:36:36.989 --> 00:36:39.829 in jail, which maybe not. Well, who knows? It's 00:36:39.829 --> 00:36:43.849 hard to say. Yeah. I mean, is locked up in the 00:36:43.849 --> 00:36:48.030 basin of Trump's Mar -a -Lago estate jail? I 00:36:48.030 --> 00:36:50.489 don't know. I mean, I don't know what the basin 00:36:50.489 --> 00:36:52.329 there is like, but I mean, I guess it's fucking 00:36:52.329 --> 00:36:56.010 nicer in my place. It's probably as nice as some 00:36:56.010 --> 00:36:57.570 of those underground bunkers we talked about 00:36:57.570 --> 00:37:00.670 last episode. Yeah. I would have to imagine lots 00:37:00.670 --> 00:37:03.610 of gold. Private pool, private movie theater, 00:37:03.909 --> 00:37:06.289 you know, massage anytime you want it. Yeah. 00:37:06.610 --> 00:37:10.239 Oh, yeah. A massage in hell. heavy quotes a massage 00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:15.000 yeah isn't it strange that epstein recruited 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.739 girls from mar -a -lago to work for him isn't 00:37:17.739 --> 00:37:21.300 that strange i have no idea what that means luckily 00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:24.039 i just eat whatever the news media spoon feeds 00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:27.059 me i also that's why we have heavy heavy sarcasm 00:37:27.059 --> 00:37:32.590 i i just listened to uh cnn fox msnbc and just 00:37:32.590 --> 00:37:36.210 glory in yep in the accuracy and if you want 00:37:36.210 --> 00:37:38.730 to talk like minecraft we can we can talk that 00:37:38.730 --> 00:37:41.349 but uh you know real world stuff like i don't 00:37:41.349 --> 00:37:44.269 mean anything yeah there is no paris fashion 00:37:44.269 --> 00:37:54.420 show for 1789 Yes, indeed. Well, thanks for listening. 00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:57.340 Grab them by the pussy. 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