And you got me with a Biden vs. Trump guessing
game, and now I'm going to hit you with a guessing
game. Welcome to Nice Ashes. Join hosts Mike
and Nate for cigars and culture. Let's go beyond
the smoke. What are we smoking today, Nate? We
are following up our Chillin' Moose, and we said
we'd never smoke another one. But here we are,
smoking the Chillin' Moose 2, and that's T -O
-O, not T -W -O, and not the letter 2, the number
2, or T -O, or T -U with the little, like, dashy
thing above it. Yeah. Great label, yet again.
Great label. Yeah, the moose is pulling a rabbit
that's smoking a cigar out of a magic hat. I
like it. Yeah, I like the labels. I wish the
cigars lived up to the... Graphic design. Maybe
this one will. Oh, yeah. Time to light up. Time
to light up. So this one is the Maduro version.
Yeah. I'm hoping that we'll get a little better
experience out of the Maduro. Yeah, the first
few puffs are fine. Nothing exemplary. Yeah,
I mean, we've talked about this before where
it seems like a Maduro cigar is like dark coffee.
You can kind of hide lower quality leaf with
a darker cigar blend. So I'm hoping it'll be
a little better. I'm hoping so. I hope the acetone
taste of the last one kind of progressively got
worse or more prominent as we smoked the cigar.
I'm hoping we don't have that with this, but
we'll see. Time will tell. I am pairing mine
with a Voodoo Ranger IPA. And I'm drinking iced
Guatemalan hue hue and some water. Nice. Are
you sure it's not Guatemalan he he he? I am sure.
I am sure. All right, fine. I was rolling around
town today and I saw a bag from a roaster that
I know and I love Guatemalan hue hue. Yep. And
I fresh ground it and made it. There you go.
Yes, the hue hue is good. We get some of that
from Costco. They got the big old bags. I like
those big old bags. This is not the Costco. Sure.
No, I like it. I think they have Duluth Coffee
Company at Costco. They do. That's typically
what we get. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. But there's
another one we get. I can't remember what it
is now, but the Duluth is good. Very good. Hell
yeah. Okay. So this is a Nate Knows and Mike
Does Not episode, but we're going to keep things
light because we've been getting a little too
heavy with some of this stuff. I've felt with
Project 2030 and eating bugs. I don't know, people
trying to make documentaries, but not very well.
And let's just lighten this thing up a little
bit. So we're going to do, and I'm going to send
you, Mike, here in just a second in the chat,
in our podcast recording here, the list of choices
that you are going to have, because this is going
to be a guessing game. And you got me with a
Biden versus Trump guessing game, and now I'm
going to hit you with a guessing game. I copyrighted
that. So I'm going to send you your list of choices.
I have 50 questions. We don't have to get through
them all. I just thought 50 was a good number.
Chances are we're not going to hit all 50. That
would be insane. Do you have any ideas what you
might be guessing, Mike? I have no idea what
we're discussing. All right. This is called Guess
the Sin. Guess the sin guessing game. So I'm
going to read you a sin, and you're going to
guess the religion. And I've put in the chat
now the different religions you can choose from.
We've got Christianity, Islam, Jainism, Buddhism,
Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Zoroastrianism. Oh,
I put Sikhism in there twice. but it's only in
there once. But several answers might be that.
I don't know, so we'll see. As a disclaimer,
I had ChatGTP write me up 50 guessing games with
sins, and I went through the first, oh, I don't
know, 16, and put the actual quotes from the
religious text. I found through the first 16
of these that the sin was accurate, but sometimes
the citation was not. so that it was wrong on
maybe the chapter or the verse of some of these
things. But I only did the first 16 because who
has that much time outside of Matt Walsh to write
all this stuff down? Right, right, right. You're
not filming yourself opening jars of pickles
at home. Yes. Oh, I'm such a strong manly man.
I ratcheted this jar top down so my wife would
have to ask me later. Anyway, do you have any
concerns before we kick this off? This is supposed
to be light and fun. I have no concerns. None
at all. I figured you might be a little more
versed in some of these other religions than
I am. Sure. I mean, I will give you and the listeners
fair warning. I'm pretty sure I'm on the same
bowling team as the dude right now. There you
go. There you go. You don't roll on Shabbos.
Don't bowl on Shabbos. Also, for your bingo cards,
you can mark that off. Okay, so the first round
here, we're going to do a softball pitch. Maybe.
We'll see. You tell me, Mike. You tell me. Greed
is seen as distancing one from spiritual fulfillment.
Sure. So that has got to be Buddhism, and possibly
more than just Buddhism, because I don't know
a lot about Jainism. But in early Christianity,
that was definitely the case. And Sikhism and
Hinduism have elements of that as well. But I'm
not sure if it's explicit. Like, it isn't Buddhism.
Yeah. And I guess, you know, to be fair, a lot
of these, and we don't have to get into a huge
religious debate, but a lot of religions take
inspiration, let's say, from other religions.
At least that's true of, you know, Christianity
and the Bible. And there's multiple stories of...
Children being floated down the river who then
become the king of said country that they were
picked up in. Oh, yeah. Well, I know that, you
know, in my catechism, I found a lot of inspiration
from Christ's, not hatred, but contempt for the
wealthy and the money changers. Yeah, whipping
the bankers and flipping chairs and tables and
things. So this one actually is Christianity.
Oh, okay. The Bible, Luke 12, 15. Then he said
to them, watch out. Be on your guard against
all kinds of greed. Life does not consist in
an abundance of possessions. Musk, Bezos, are
you listening? I'm going to keep, are you going
to keep track of my score? I'm not keeping, I'm
not going to keep score. Oh, I'm keeping score.
Fuck that. I'm a fun guy. I'm a fun guy over
here. I'm drinking my beer, smoking my cigar.
We'll see how many you get right. This is not
about fun, all right? I knew this would appeal
to your male fantasy of winning. Here we go.
Victory at all costs. Yeah. So I only did the
first 16 with the quotes from the actual texts
because it would take too long to read them all.
And in the first 16, we hit all of the major
religions that I sent to Mike. So we'll get a
sense of their flavor of what their religious
texts are. And then going forward, I'll say what
it is. And if you're interested in that, you
can look it up later. And I might put this on
our Patreon too, just the copy paste of the questions
and the answers if we don't get to all 50 of
them. So you can check it out there. I might
just make it a free tier one. We'll see. Round
two, question two. Harming any form of life,
even in the tiniest, is a moral offense. Hinduism.
This is actually Jainism. Oh, hey. In Jainism,
ahimsa, meaning nonviolence or non -harm, is
a central ethical principle that guides all actions,
thoughts, and speech. It is considered the cornerstone
of Jainism and is a crucial step toward achieving
liberation. From the cycle of rebirth. And I
don't know anything about Jainism. I know that
it's very similar to Hinduism. Okay. It's kind
of that Eastern mysticism type of thing. Yeah.
I have a book that I'm anxious to read. Not anxious,
but I'm excited to read. Why the Buddhists are
right or something. Seems interesting. Oh, for
sure. Well, they all cross over too. Yeah. So
in that like Indian peninsula, continental India.
All those religions kind of mix together. Very
interesting. Yeah. And I feel there's a lot of
overlap in religions in general about big things.
Oh, for sure. I think it's the smaller things
they differ on. All right. Third question. Speaking
negatively about others behind their backs is
condemned. Islam. You are correct. The Quran,
Surah Al -Huwajat 49 .12. Oh, believers, avoid
many suspicions, for indeed some suspicions are
sinful. And do not spy nor backbite one another.
Would any of you like to eat the flesh of their
dead brother? You would despise that and fear
Allah. Surely Allah is the acceptor of repentance,
most merciful. So I also feel like cannibalism
is probably not okay with them. Being a hypocrite
is not okay with them either. I like that. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know. I heard it said once where
of all the philosophies. And we can extend that
to religions. All the philosophies and religions
in the world, no matter what they are, each one
of them has at least one kind of like golden
nugget to take away from. Oh, okay. I would agree
with that. Yeah. You don't have to fully agree
with everything, but, you know, you read, you
know, and the Stoics say to read things that
you don't agree with because that's the only
way you can grow. But in those things you think
you don't agree with, you might find something
you do agree with or something that really does
resonate with you. So I just wanted to put that
out there because we're looking at a bunch of
different religions and I'm an atheist. But some
of these things, I mean, there's really good
tenants in a lot of these religions. Oh, for
sure. And that's kind of like the Jordan Peterson
thing where like the religious stories, you know,
allegorically they're true and very interesting
psychologically to analyze the ancient religions.
Yeah. And there's a lot of crossover. Passed
down or orally, you know, and an interesting
historical insight. Yep. Absolutely. All right.
Number four. I guess I'm fucked in this religion.
Consuming alcohol is discouraged as it clouds
moral judgment. Islam. This is Buddhism. I'm
going to try to pronounce this and I'm sorry.
The Dhammapada verse 22, sorry, verse 246 to
247. He who destroys life, tells lies, takes
what is not given him, commits adultery, and
takes intoxicating drinks, digs up his own roots,
even in this very life. Interesting. Yeah, Islam
bans drinking also. That quote has a lot more
than just the drinking, but... Yeah, yeah. All
right, you're still keeping score, Mike? Yes,
I am. All right, I'll check in with you every
10. Question five. Wanting what belongs to others
is considered sinful. That is... Christianity,
Judaism, and Islam. Well, give yourself a point.
This is Judaism. This example comes from the
Torah, Exodus 20 .14. You shall not covet your
neighbor's house, you shall not covet your neighbor's
wife, his manservant, his maidservant, his ox,
his donkey, or whatever belongs to your neighbor.
So I feel like that is a lot more progressive
than the New Testament and the Bible saying you
shouldn't cover his manservant or maidservant.
you know, whatever you feel attracted to, I guess,
right? I'm trying to keep this episode light.
It's supposed to be a fun thing, and we'll see
how good Mike does. It is fun. It's way more
progressive. It's fun and educational, I think.
And it's funny because I talk to Simha a lot,
and, you know, we both grew up Christian, and
he's now, you know, a Jew, and I'm an atheist,
but we talk about a lot of this stuff. He likes
to make fun of the Christians as I do because
we both grew up that. And we were just talking
today about, you know, the New Testament and
some of the weird shit in there. And the Jews
don't believe in the New Testament. You know,
they have the Torah and that's kind of sort of
the Old Testament, you know, but they have a
different translation, of course. So it's very
interesting stuff, I think, if you have an open
mind. I agree. All right. Question six. Excessive
pride leads to spiritual ruin. Christianity.
Ding, ding, ding. Proverbs 16, 18, pride goes
before destruction, a haughty spirit before a
fall. Tell you what, I'd be down for seeing a
lot more of the prideful in modern day America
fall. Yeah, I remember that one too, explicitly
from my catechism reading the Bible. Yes. I,
you know, having read the Bible, all these large
portions of it, not all of it, all of it. Yeah.
I should read all of it. I did find it inspirational
and intuitive or just similar to reading mythology,
Greek mythology and other old tales. Like they
were informative and entertaining. Well, I mean,
that's kind of the thing is if you read the Bible
and you. read it from the sense that you understand
people take everything in there literally, it's
a horrifying book. Like absolutely horrifying.
If you read it in the sense of you would read
like Greek mythology, it's fascinating. Right.
Greek mythology is horrifying if you take it
literally. I think all mythology is probably
terrifying if you take it literally. Right. Nordic
mythology is like wild. Yeah. Yeah. So. All right.
Question seven. Sexual misconduct is morally
wrong and disrupts spiritual growth. Ooh. I mean,
no, it's not the Catholics. It's probably, yeah.
I mean, God, that sounds like all of them, to
be honest with you. I'm going to go Sikhism on
this one because we haven't had a Sikhism yet.
Okay. But that is a general rule of all religions.
Yeah, and there's just enough crossover where
most of these could be applied to almost any
of these religions. Which is maybe the point
of the episode, but I'm not as heavy -handed
as Matt Walsh, so we'll let that be decided by
the listener. This one's actually Buddhism. The
Pali Canon and the Five Precepts. I undertake
the precept to refrain from sexual misconduct.
There we go. All right, you're going to get this
one, I feel. I'm rooting for you, Mike. Eight,
number eight. Use of mind -altering substances
is to be avoided. I'll say Islam. Hinduism. Hinduism.
Hinduism. There we go. Yes. Manus Mitri 416.
He shall not through desires become addicted
to any sensual objects. Excessive addiction to
these he shall avoid by mental reflection. There
were some other ones. This is one where it was
very difficult to try and track down the actual
quote. There was other ones about like pharmaceutical
drugs, but it was a little bit different. It
was worded differently. And this one. I was reading
some of the, this is why it would have taken
too long to do all 50 of these, because I was
reading through like the explanation of the translations
and what the words meant at the time and everything
in sensual objects. Today means, you know, like
boobs and dicks or whatever, right? And at the
time it was anything that like tempted you. So
it could be mind altering drugs. And, you know,
it talks about addictions and things like that.
Sure. We could really get into the weeds on a
lot of these things by trying to break them down.
Oh, yeah. Well, that's part of the reason why
religious zealots are so moving to people because
you can reinterpret and reinterpret and reinterpret.
Yeah. Twist it to whatever you want it to be
to an extent. Yes. And the only thing that really
matters in terms of if you're trying to live
by one of these religions, how the thing that
was said, what it meant in the time it was said
is what matters, not what it means today through
the translation, unless the translation takes
into account what it would have meant back then.
Because there's, I don't know, a lot of these
classics of ancient literature have all been
translated. thousands of times, at least hundreds
of times, but sometimes thousands of times, you
know. And I always try and look for the widely
accepted best translation, you know, who was
the one that translated it best, most accurately,
whatever. You know, Marcus Aurelius' Meditations
is one, like Robert Hayes' translation is widely
regarded as being one of the best, if not the
best. But if you read somebody else's translation,
and there's reason to read other translations
of it because Some translations speak differently
to individuals than other translations do. So
it's kind of the same thing with a lot of these
religious texts because they weren't written
in English, except maybe Mormonism is probably
the only one that was. But everything else wasn't
written in English. So it's all a translation
of a translation in a lot of cases. Absolutely.
I mean, the original books of the New Testament
were potentially Aramaic. And there's like a
couple hundred people on the planet that are
native Aramaic speakers. You know, so. Yeah.
And they were translated to Greek and then Latin
and then English. Yep. And don't get me started
on King James. Question nine. Taking what isn't
freely given is a sin. Zoroastrianism. Sickism.
Like, there we go. So it was tough to kind of
find this one because, I mean, you know, taking
what isn't freely given is a sin. Well, that
could be Christianity. Don't covet thy neighbor's
wife. That sort of thing, you know. But this
one here, the actual quote is, if I've committed
theft and gained something, I have gained dishonor
in this world and the next. So they're pretty
against it. Yeah, I like it. Go Seeks. Go Team
Seek. Yeah. I know somebody who has a family
emerald mind that might not be well -received
in Seekism. But anyway, question 10. I don't
mean to be extra salty, but fuck it. It's all
fun and games. Yes. Yes. We're supposed to have
fun this episode. This is a fun episode. Not
that any of them are unfun. Not that any of them
are unfun. But, you know, sometimes you got to
lighten the mood a little bit. Yeah, you'll have
less editing for this episode. God, I hope so.
Allah, I hope so. Flying spaghetti monster, I
hope so. All right. Question 10, and then we're
going to do a score check and a cigar check.
Breaking a solemn vow is a severe moral fault.
Ooh. It's got to be Zoroastrianism, because I
think that's the only one that we haven't covered.
You said. You would be right. Yeah. So, this
is Zorian Astronism, Zoroastrianism, the Avesta,
Farguard 18. But I have like 27 on the quote
here, so. You know, figure it out. May herds
of oxen and sons accrue to thee. May thy mind
be a master of its vow. May the soul be a master
of its vow. And mayest thou live on in the joy
of thy soul all the nights of thy life. That
is some old -timey religious talk right there.
Yeah, and this makes me realize I have no idea
what the fuck Zoroastrianism is. I know the basic
outline of it. Oh, well, all right. I do. I know
the basic outline of it. It's a dead religion.
Well, it's not a dead religion, but there's not
a lot of people like the Muslims. First the Christians,
then the Muslims have persecuted them for the
last 1 ,000 years, 2 ,000 years. So not many
of them left. Most of them converted. What is
religion without persecuting? Well, right. I
mean, honestly, if you're going to be religious,
you might as well persecute a couple people.
You got to. If you're not going to be burning
witches at the stake. It's right there in the
name. You got to do it. Yeah, I mean, I like
barbecue. I also like bonfires. There you go.
All right, where are you at score -wise, Mike?
I am at a pathetic four, and that is including
two half points. Well, that's okay. I would score
really poorly in this one, I think. That's why
I'm asking you these questions. Yeah, well, you
know, I think I see a trend. I think I see a
trend. Okay. I'm not going to spoil it for the
viewer if they haven't noticed the trend yet,
but I'm feeling a trend. Okay. Well, you know,
that's good. Get your head in the game, and we'll
see if that pays off. What do you think about
the cigar, Mike? It's better than the last one.
It's better than the last one. It's spicier.
Yep. The spice didn't kick in until about, I
don't know, an inch in, though. And that's fine.
That's true. That's true. That spiciness has
largely covered up the acetone that it started
off with, in my opinion. So it's better. I still
say it is darker, it is spicier, and it's still
just a bin cigar, in my opinion. I'm not overly
thrilled with it. But I do like it better than
the last one for what it's worth. All right.
Mike has a strategy in mind, and that's a beautiful
thing. We've got more questions to get through.
We'll see if that strategy pays off. Question
11. Indulging in envy disrupts inner peace and
divine connection. Ooh. Missy Jane -ism. You
would be wrong. This is Christianity, James 3
.16. For where you have envy and selfish ambition,
there you find disorder and every evil practice.
Now, here's a question for you, Nate. Now that
we have the exact, no doubt, King James Version
read off. Yes. The Witch Hunter General or whatever.
I find it interesting that that is in Christianity
because I'm pretty sure there's elements of that
in Buddhism. and Hinduism, and probably Sikhism.
Well, I mean, that's the whole thing. So what
I wanted to do was find all the weirdest sins,
like the fucking strangest ones, man. And I just
wasn't having any luck with that. They were all
like Christian sins, right, from the Bible. I
couldn't find like really bizarre sins from other
religions, so it would have been a terrible guessing
game. Well, yeah, and the weird ones are well
known. Yeah. No eating beef, but you can eat
buffalo. You can't eat cattle. Don't plant two
crops in the same field. Don't wear clothing
of two different materials. Don't, you know,
like all of these things, you know, and they're
all mostly from the Bible. And you could, you
know, extrapolate that to some other religions
perhaps. But, like, you'd have to almost have,
like, a PhD in all these other religions to find
out the weirdest, like, things. And it wasn't
a quick, you know, research trip down the Google
lane or whatever. So that's why it kind of changed
into, like, guess the sin guessing game instead
of these are some fucking weird sins. Guess what
they're from. And then you could just guess Christianity
and be right every single time. But again, we
said this at the top of the episode, like a lot
of these religions have more overlap than followers
of these religions oftentimes will admit to.
And that is fun for our episode and should be
fun in real life. But I guess it's, you know,
served in most cases to drive a wedge between
a lot of these people, hence the persecution.
Maybe that's the point of the episode is we can
have fun and say, you know, this could actually
apply to a lot of these different religions because
we have a moderate understanding of these other
religions and their basic tenets and principles.
And this would fit most of them, if not all of
them. So did I do the Matt Walsh thing and went
too heavy handed with that, Mike? No, I don't
think so. You could be attacking me and trying
to get me to say something really stupid. No,
I'm not trying to attack you. No, obviously not.
Why won't you pay the black man? We have a black
man right here. Why won't you pay him? Go get
your white woman purse and pay the black man.
Why won't you say that you love Islam? Zoroaster
was the greatest. Why would you not admit this?
I thought Zoroaster was the little machine Tom
Hanks went to in Big. There we go. Zoltran. Sorry,
everybody. Late episode, I said. All right. I
think you're going to get this one, Mike. You're
going to get this one. I believe in you. Question
12. Lying is a violation of sacred speech. Oh.
I'm going to go Sikhism. That seems like it'll
work. It will not, Mike. It will not. This is...
Oh, there we go. Yeah, good times. This is Buddhism,
the polycanon right speech. And what is right
speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive
speech, from abusive speech, and from idle chatter.
This is called right speech. There go all of
our news media outlets, Mike. They're all gone.
I was going to say, that sounds like some 1984
shit right there. Yep. Question 13. Wastefulness
is frowned upon as it disrespects creation. Ooh.
I'm going to go Jainism. Got to go back to the
Jainism. All right. All right. This is Islam.
The Quran. Surah Al -Araf, 731. Oh, children
of Adam, dress properly wherever you are at worship.
Eat and drink, but do not waste. Surely he does
not like the wasteful. I feel like that... That's
another one of those. I think I'm sensing a trend
here, Nate. The trend is there's a lot more in
common than there is in difference. Surely not.
Surely not. No, they all hate each other, of
course. Right. Okay, this next one, I feel like
this is like the underhand pitch of the wiffle
ball in gym class. Because the girl that likes
you is tossing you the ball that you can hit
with your bat. So you can get like a home run,
okay? I want you to pay attention to the words
I'm about to use, obviously, because that's how
you're going to know I'm asking you a question,
right? Sure. Listen to the words coming out of
my mouth so you know how to answer the words
coming out of my mouth. Okay, question 14. Cheating
others in business is a sin. Oh, I know what
it's not. I'm not going to say it. I'm not going
to say it. You almost had me. It's going to be
another hot takes, and I'm not going to do it.
I'm going to say Zoroastrianism. Got to go for
an old boy Zoro. Come on, man. Do you need to
phone a friend? Do you want to re -guess? I'm
going to say Judaism. You'd be right. Judaism,
the Torah, Leviticus 19, 35 through 36. So the
problem with Judaism and Christianity is... They
use the same books for, you know, at least half
of their religious texts. The interpretations
might be different, and they have different supplemental
texts. There's a lot of crossover, and Islam
is the same, because Islam uses the Torah also.
Yeah. Parts of it or whatever. I'm not 100 %
sure. Yeah, they're all very similar, and Christianity
uses the New Testament, which Judaism doesn't.
Islam uses the prophet Muhammad instead of Jesus,
I believe. But I believe, and I might be wrong,
that Jesus makes an appearance in the Quran,
but is merely a prophet instead of the literal
son of God. Yes. And they also consider the New
Testament to be corrupted. And I think they consider
the Torah partially corrupted. Yep. Half -y,
half -y, I guess. Half true, half not. I'm not
100 % sure about that. Yeah, I don't know the
percentages, how they shake out. But I know there's
a lot of crossover, like you said, and they all
have kind of differing opinions past the Old
Testament. Let's just say that. Yes. So this
one is Judaism, Leviticus. You shall do no wrong
in judgment in measure of length or weight or
quantity. You shall have just balances, just
weights, a just... I added that last bit, but
you know. I think a lot of the rules in the Old
Testament are amongst Jews only. Leviticus for
sure is Judaism only, I believe, because that's
where you don't lay with a woman who is bleeding.
You don't eat pork. You do no work on the Sabbath,
that sort of thing. They're almost rules specific
to Jews. Yes. From my understanding. And I actually
had an interesting conversation with Simha about
this, where I was basically saying like, you
know, like Leviticus and all that applies to
Jews. And it's really kind of more anthropologically
speaking, like passing on medical advice. for
healthy living advice. Because at that time,
you know, eating pork or doing this or the other
thing, or they didn't understand germs. And so
like laying with somebody who's bleeding is probably
a bad idea if you don't know what you're doing,
right? You don't have modern medicine and stuff
like that. And he kind of came back and said,
you know, that's all fine and good, but we don't
do it because of that. Like we don't do it necessarily
because we... believe this or that or the other
thing like we believe that you know like you
can eat clean pork nowadays but that's not why
we're kosher uh we're kosher because that's what
god asked us to do and we're just doing it because
he asked us and i was like well that's an easy
way to look at it well yeah that's true now for
sure i mean well yeah and i like like i that's
not a slight i just mean like that was a very
interesting um perspective that i'd never considered
before you know like you know i just an eye -opening
thing for me as an atheist and Like, why would
I do something the man in the sky wants, you
know? Right, not cheating your customers is probably
a healthy practice for your society. Especially
if it was an issue previous to moving away from
Egypt, let's say, right? Like, if your society
picked up bad habits from the Egyptians, probably
wise to clean up some of those bad business practices,
you know? Well, yeah. And a lot of, what is it,
Islam or the Muslims? Still cut off a hand if
you steal. In some countries, supposedly. In
some countries, yeah. So, yeah, very interesting
stuff. Okay, question 15. Malice towards others
is spiritually destructive. Buddhism. This one
is Sikhism. Terrible scheme. So close, so close.
Terrible scheme. Almost like you're not a believer,
Mike. It's almost like they're all the same.
I mean... It's almost like they're all ambiguous
enough that it could almost be any one of these
things. Yeah, this one I couldn't find, but it
says it's the Guru Granth Sahib. He is the Lisan
Madib, 1374, allegedly. So again, some of these
religions, if they're not Christianity or Judaism
or Buddhism or Islam. It's very difficult to
find the actual texts, at least, on English Google.
Right, yeah. There's no need. It's a very niche
thing. It's difficult. That's why I couldn't
do all of them. And this next one here, question
16, is the last one I actually looked up the
stuff. But I'll tell you all the things, and
I'll post this on our Patreon for free. So if
you want to look these up and check them out,
that's on you. And that's good. I mean, that's
the whole point. Well, not the whole point. The
whole point is to have fun. But the other point
is, if some of these things speak to you, then
check it out. Maybe there's something in these
other religions or philosophies or however you
want to view them that might... be applicable
to your life or something you might take away
and say, hey, that's kind of a neat idea. I've
never thought of that before. All right, question
16. You're going to get this one. I know you
will. I believe in you. Selfishness weakens one
connection to the divine. Buddhism. So close.
So close. Jainism. Even not closer, further.
Zoroastrianism. This is Hinduism. Hinduism. This
is the... Bhagavad Gita 316. O Parth, those who
do not accept their responsibility in the cycle
of sacrifice established by the Vedas are sinful.
They live only for the delight of their senses.
Indeed, their lives are in vain. There we go.
Yes. Well, and I know we've talked previously
about Ayn Rand and how I was a huge follower
of Ayn Rand for a bit. And her thing was selfishness
is awesome and the best thing in the world. And
the one thing, and again, so like at the beginning
of the episode, we were talking about, you know,
every philosophy or religion has at least one
good thing you can take away from it, hopefully.
And the thing I took away from objectivism, Ayn
Rand's philosophy. was don't accept unearned
guilt, which is huge with mother -in -laws, with
mothers. Family is huge on that. They love to
try and saddle you with guilt that you actually
didn't earn. And these DEI people want to saddle
you with stuff that's unearned. So, you know.
Yeah. It's very strange, the obsession with inherited
guilt going on in our society right now. Yeah.
And, you know, that was one of the things. And
we didn't talk about it last episode, but the
PhD student was talking about like the self and
the shadow self. And the shadow self is the one
that's like a descendant of the slave owners
of all white people. Because, of course, all
white people own slaves. All white people were
wealthy enough at the time to own slaves. It
wasn't just the rich elite. Heavy sarcasm. All
right. Question 17. I'm excited for you, Mike.
Betrayal of trust is a moral wrongdoing. Zoroastrianism.
And you nailed it, just like I knew you would.
I think it was because of the language used.
Those are our astronisms. They're pretty old
-timey. Yep, they do like that. This is the Vesta
Venidad 4, allegedly. Allegedly. Question 18.
Again, like I said, I only fact -checked the
first 16. 18. Harboring ill will is a spiritual
hindrance. I'm going to go Buddhism. We haven't
had Buddhism in a while. Yeah, man, and you fucking
nailed it. Anything that is centered around that
Indian peninsula, they're all there. They have
similar language and similar concepts, which
is why they get along so well. Ha ha ha. Yes.
Yes. No wars ever. No wars ever. So harboring
ill wills, spiritual hindrance, that's Buddhism.
And it is the Dhammapada, verse 5. 19. Impurity
in thought is as sinful as action. Oh. I'm split.
I'm into Christianity. And you would be right,
Mike. Catholic guilt. Catholic guilt. I knew,
I knew. This is Matthew 5, 28. I always remember
my grandfather made a comment that the newspaper
delivery girl was attractive. Sure. Not necessarily
inappropriately. He just made mention of it.
And she was a teenager. Not like driving a car
teenager. And my grandmother went off on him.
And they were in their 70s. It's like a passing
comment. And she lost her cool. And said he was
going to go to hell. She might not be wrong.
Well, he was definitely going to go to hell.
But I don't know what it was for saying the newspaper
girl was cute. Not for that, but you know. I
don't know. I don't know, man. There were some
other old people that I saw quoted somewhere,
and one of them said that they didn't care where
the other got their appetite as long as they
ate at home. Yep. Which I think is fair. I think
that's pretty reasonable. Yes. Of course, there's
a lot more than physical appearances that go
into attraction, or should be. Number 20, and
then we'll do a score check, Mike. I've lost
count now. I stopped counting because I got so
many wrong. No, but you got just a couple right.
You just got a couple right. I boosted my score.
Yeah. Yep. Huzzah. It's a real feather in your
cap. All right. Boasting about good deeds diminishes
their value. Well, I know that's the case in
Christianity. I'm not sure if those exact words
are true in Christianity. Okay. I'm going to
go with Jainism. We haven't had a good Jainism
in a while, so I'm going to shoot from the hip.
All right. This one is Islam. The Quran. Surah
Al -Baqarah 264. So I don't know why everybody
was claiming credit after 9 -11 then, but that's
none of my business. All right. So you don't
have a... Sips tea silently. So you don't really
have a score check then? No, no, no. How much
of your cigar do you have left, Mike? Maybe an
inch and a half. Maybe an inch. I'm about the
same. So we can do... Mine's getting sour. Mine's
getting sour. I'm not going to tell you. It's
not great. It's not great. Do you think we can
get to 30? Sure, yeah. We can give it a shot.
And then I'll put the whole list on our Patreon
for free. You can just go look it up. All right.
21. Killing any living being intentionally or
not is sinful. I'm going to have to go. Well,
Jainism is any living creature. So it's probably
not that. I'm going to say Hinduism. You should
have gone with your gut, Mike. It's Jainism?
It's Jainism. I know. I almost said when you
guessed the last one is Jainism. I was like,
oh, you're one early. But I didn't want to say
that because that would give the next one away,
right? My clock is off. Yep. Here, and I set
all my clocks right away when we sprung forward.
Does anyone know how much you hate it when you
see my clocks at my house have been changed?
Yeah, that's true. That's true. All right, so
that's Jainism. It's Jain Agamas Ahimsa or something.
But yeah, so killing any living being intentional
or not is sinful, which also could be Buddhism
because they don't step on ants and stuff like
that. When you say being, I think of intelligent
beings. Well, who's to say ants aren't? They
don't pay taxes, dude. That is true. That is
true. If you never file taxes, they can't find
you. That is also true. If you don't have a social
security number, they also cannot find you. Well,
and so if you would have asked me this question,
I probably would have guessed Buddhism because
I watched the documentary Monk with a Camera.
It was very fascinating because it was a photographer
who went and converted to Buddhism. And you're
not supposed to have anything of your previous
life or whatever. And the Buddhist monk said,
no, no, you are so good at photography that you
need to still do it. But, you know, like a couple
times a year or something. And they actually
kept his camera in like a locker and would give
it to him. go do his photography stuff. So very
interesting. Cause it kind of is a little bit
of a dive into Buddhism, but I don't know, also
tolerance or something. It's a very interesting
film. So if you want to watch something interesting,
that's, that's a pretty good one. Have you heard
of that one? I have not heard of that one. Yeah.
Pretty interesting stuff. Yeah. All right. Uh,
this one will fucking kill you, dude. If you
live in a big city, I definitely do. I live in
a metropolis. I know you do. I know you do. But
I do because I see these fuckers on every fucking
street corner. I read some stuff about how most
of the beggars on street corners in cities are
actually people that have very nice houses in
the burbs. And they make $30 ,000, $40 ,000 just
by begging at the street corner. And they don't
have to go to an office then. And that sounds
pretty good to me. I think you've been watching
too much Fox News. Yeah, could be. Could be.
This one is withholding charity is considered
a transgression. Islam. So, so quick, but it
is Judaism. Oh. From the Talmud, Baba Badra 9a,
which sounds like a math question. Yes, it does.
Dude, what was your answer for the Baba Badra
9a? Oh, fuck, you got that? I did not get that.
Yeah, charity is a big part of most of the religions
that, for whatever reason - They kind of ignore
nowadays. Yeah, it's just like - You know, all
that talk, big talk about being such and such
nation. And then, you know, yeah, we don't need
universal health care. And yeah, we don't need
to take care of the homeless population and figure
out what the hell we're going to do about it.
I saw someone proposed to make homelessness illegal
except for within 500 feet or 500 yards of a
church to try and force the churches to make
true on their promise. Sure. That's a pretty
big dick move. I like it, though. I like it.
I like it. I mean, they're not paying taxes,
so let's fucking call them out and make them
actually do something. All right, 23. Ignoring
sacred rituals is viewed as a moral lapse. We
haven't had a Sikhism in a while. I'm going to
go straight. Don't do it. Think of the language
used. Think of the language used. Hinduism. Go
old -timey. Who's the old -timey one? Is that
Zoroastrianism? It's going. Going gone. He got
it right. With enough nudging, you will guess
the old -timey language of choice. How could
he possibly have guessed this one right on the
first try? But he did. He did it. It's amazing.
All right, question 24. Desecrating nature is
a violation of sacred duty. And you can say Teddy
Roosevelt, and I would accept it. Yeah, exactly.
You know what? John Muir. I'm going to say Hinduism.
We got to stay down lower. Hell yeah, and you're
right. Rig Veda, 10117. Nailed it. You knew it.
Teddy. He's the biggest Hindu there ever was.
I think that's what he said when he, you know,
christened Mount Rushmore. Oh, I thought it was
Yosemite, but sure. Rushmore too. 25. Failure
to meditate or reflect is spiritually harmful.
And the word meditate should narrow it down to
about one. Yeah. I mean, I say Buddhism. And
you'd be right. It's amazing. He's a savant.
The Buddha is a machination of the... Pat his
belly and collect your gold. ...desire to be
viewed as a fat Asian man. Your river's excited.
Yeah, she wants to go outside, so I'm going to
go put her outside. She wanted to pat the Buddha
belly, and that's what I thought. He's probably
out there ready to kick my ass. She was seriously
unhappy with somebody. Yes. Okay, so next question.
All right, 26. And this one, we know for a fact
not one single person in politics, not one single
CEO, not one single person in power is a follower
of this faith. The sin is speaking without thinking
may harm others' spirits. Christianity. No. Not
one single person in power is a follower of this
faith. Wow. It's Judaism. I said Christianity
first because almost every single elected politician
in this country is a Christian. And I said none
of them are this religion. And not in a sarcastic
way, as like literally none of them are. Well,
it's got to be Zoroastrianism then, because all
the other guys. No, this is Sikhism, of course.
I mean, what the fuck, Mike? Come on. Oh, there's
got to be Sikh politicians, like in England and
certainly in India. This country, Mike. This
country is probably, you know what? I'm going
to Google the show. Take a drink. And find the
one mayor in wherever, rural Connecticut. That's
a Sikh. Yeah, maybe. There's got to be one guy
who's on the city council. Find him or her. One
person. Or they or them. Find them right now.
All right. So next question. I am going to look
too. Sure. I believe you. Question 27. Greed
in food consumption violates balance. That seems
like it could be all of them. Yeah, but I mean,
think of the wording, man. It's like greed in
food consumption. It's such a weird. But it's
not as old -timey as some of the other ones.
Not that I'm giving you hints. I am going to
go with Jainism. We haven't had a good Jainism
in a while. And again, your internal clock is
off by two. But this one is Islam, the Quran,
Surah Taha, 2081. I don't know. I guess I've
never seen an overweight Muslim. What about the
Sultan of Agrabah? From Aladdin? Yeah. Well,
he loves his daughter, though, which is weird
for Muslims. It is fucking not. Don't fight me
on this. I know what I'm about. I thought this
was going to be a sponsor -friendly show. Holy
God. Or holy Allah, whatever. Whatever, dude.
I don't care. I thought I stressed fun above
all. And if fun is not family friendly, then
fuck off, I guess. I don't know. Well, I hate
to say this, Nate, but I have a correction for
the show. Okay, okay, okay. We've had two U .S.
elected Sikh politicians. One was a U .S. congressman
named Dalip Singh Sound, and he was the first
Sikh elected to Congress. He was 57 to 63. He's
also the first Asian American and the first Indian
American to serve in Congress. There you go.
And then apparently New Jersey has a Sikh mayor
named Ravinder Balia. All right. Well, that's
good. I think that's good. Yeah, yeah. There
we go. Apparently Mr. Sound was active until
1973. Okay. And he died. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
It went down to the Sikh Great Beyond. Sikh Hall
of Fame. Sikh Hall of Fame. That's the one. This
next one you're going to get. I just know it.
I just know it. Dishonoring one's parents is
a moral fault. Oh, that's got to be Islam. Got
to be. It's got the dishonor. There's like a
lot of the trigger words. A lot of the trigger
words. This is Christianity. It's one of the
Ten Commandments. Well, honor thy father and
mother, but that's also Judaism. Yeah, and it's
also all of them, but they still fight. This
is Exodus 2012. See, there we go. I actually
got into a spat, Mike. I don't know if you believe
this. This is pre -high school. Yeah, I love
authority, and they're great, I guess. I got
into a spat with my minister pre -high school.
He actually ended up diddling the secretary.
Not a great person. But, you know, his daughter
was in my grade and everything. And he was a
very engaging preacher because he did one and
he like did a flip out of the pulpit, which I'll
still remember probably until I die, hopefully.
But he still was, you know, like fucking the
secretary and whatnot. Anyway, I told him that
Jesus sinned because when his parents brought
him to the temple. And then they left and he
didn't leave with them. And he hid and stayed
with the temple because he wanted to be closer
to his actual father, right? And I said, well,
Jesus sinned. And the pastor was like, what are
you talking about? Jesus is without sin. I said,
well, no, like his parents had to come back to
find him. And he was talking with the priests
and things at the temple. And he was like, well,
no, Jesus is the son of God and his father is
God. And I said, well, the Bible says we're all
children of God. But we have to obey our earthly
mothers and fathers. And aren't Joseph and Mary
Jesus' earthly mothers and fathers? And then
you know what he did? He fucked the church secretary
is what he did. Okay. When you said fondled,
I was thinking Ronald McDonald, not like banging
secretary. Let's do separate things. Anyway,
29. Exploiting animals. Holy fuck. Should have
read this one before right now. Exploiting animals
for pleasure is a spiritual offense. I don't
know, man. I don't know. I don't know. Don't
tell Morgan. Don't tell Morgan. That sounds like
a good idea across the board. Well, it's not
Islam. We know that. Oh, man. I'm going to say
Hinduism. That can't be Hinduism, though. I told
you what it was. Two ago, you made a guess, and
I said two from now. You'll be right. Your clock
will be right. Yeah. Jainism. That's Jainism.
Don't fuck the animals, kids. I don't think that's
what it meant originally. I wanted to meet that
so bad. It has to, man. Exploiting animals for
pleasure is a spiritual offense. Don't fuck the
animals. Don't fuck the livestock. Gack fighting.
Or what, riding horses? I don't know. Potentially
riding horses, using them as beasts of burden,
dog racing. Sure, Mike. Sure. That's what I want
it to be about. All right. The 30th question,
and I think that's where we're going to end because
my cigar is about done and I'm not digging it
anymore. Are you good with that, Mike? I'm good.
I'm already done. I just put mine down. Sure.
Okay. Well, 30, and then we'll be done. We'll
give our final thoughts. Failing to protect the
weak is sinful. Ooh. Ooh. Sikhism. They have
a big honor culture, so I'm going to guess. And
you'd be wrong. Well, you might be right, but
this is Hinduism. The Manus Mitri 8118. Very
interesting that the Hindus who have a rigid
caste system, let's say that exploiting. The
weak is bad or whatever. Yeah. Well, we could
say a lot of the same things about, you know,
Christians. For sure. A lot of the stuff, you
know, Jesus taught is in direct violation, let's
say, of current actions by a lot of people that
claim to be Christian. Oh, Jesus was a chill
cat. Definitely hang with that guy. But his buddies
sometimes aren't to my liking. Thanks for the
tough crowd. Yeah, I mean, you can't really fault
Judas, though, because he gave us the four -day
Easter weekend. So not at all, not bad, 100%.
Well, 50 pieces of silver. I mean, it's hard
to say no. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm not gay,
but 50 pieces of silver. There's 50 pieces of
silver. I'll kiss Jesus in the cheek all day
long for that. Blasphemer. Now we're going to
get the halal market to sponsor this episode,
you know? Well, there's still time. There's still
time. We can make amends. We can make amends.
Reparations. I'll give them all the cash in my
wallet to make amends. You know what? Right now,
I will give them all the cash in my wallet that
I have right now. Yes, me too. 100%. Mine is
zero because I gave my cash to someone else.
Mine is also zero. I thought so, Mike. I thought
so. Well, Dan, our drug dealer, is very happy
because we gave him all the cash in our wallets.
And that's why we had so much fun this episode.
That's right. That's why he gets to wear the
brand new NASCAR t -shirts or his girlfriend
gets to wear the brand new NASCAR t -shirt now.
Yeah. Well, and he's going to save up for a new
TV because his wife threw the remote through
the old one and can't watch the old NASCAR if
you don't have a new TV. So we're all pulling
for Dan and his wife, of course, to be less abusive,
but small steps. Small steps. Everybody's waiting.
Everybody's waiting. He got what he deserved
for making everybody wait. Yeah, I know. Yeah,
yeah. I mean, that's the biggest sin of all,
right? That's the takeaway from this episode
is making other people wait is right out, right
out. Everything else we can talk about, but making
other people wait, right out. It's garbage. Yeah.
So what did you rate this cigar, Mike? I think
I rated it a one and a half. If I'm not mistaken.
No, 175. That's what I put. Same as the last
one. Oh, same as the last one. Yeah. All right.
I'm going to give this one a... I'm just going
to give it a 175. And I gave the last one a 1
.5. Because this one was moderately better than
the last one. The last one was acetone aftertaste
most of the way through. And this one didn't
get bad until the end. And then like the end
that was in my mouth kind of like started falling
apart. So it's not entirely pleasant, but I felt
like it was more enjoyable than the last one.
So I'd rather smoke this one than the last one.
The reason why I rated it the same is because
the middle section was better. Yep. But the end
was a little worse for me and the beginning was
about the same. So I was like, well. If the ending
was better, then it would have been a two, but
it just didn't hold up. Yeah, and the end here
was, for me, it was better than the last one,
and I don't know if I smoked the last one too
fast, or I just, you know. I mean, it's tough
to say, really, in the grand scheme of things,
tastes and preferences and smoking speeds and
all that, but this one was a little bit better
than the last one. Like, this one I would actually...
not be opposed to smoking again. But the other
one, I don't, I would not really be a huge fan
of smoking it again. I mean, if we have more
of them, I will try it as a tequila cigar, but
smoking it straight as is, I likely will not
do again. So that was kind of the difference
in mind. Like the Chillin' Moose 2, I could,
I could, you know, if somebody's like, oh, I
got a whole, I got a bundle of these, let's smoke
some. I'd be like, yeah, okay, sure. I'll do
it. But yeah, the first one, the Chillin' Moose
original OG. I don't know. I'd be hard pressed
to do it again. Not as a tequila cigar. I would
do it again. Like I say, like go paddle fishing
next to the fire on the side of the water. Yeah.
That sort of thing where it's like it's something
to smoke when you're doing something else in
a dirty environment where it's like you're not
going to smoke a fine cigar under those conditions.
But you want a cigar that's not a Swisher Sweet.
This is exactly what it is. Yeah, but like you
said last episode, though, for the price point,
there's better things to smoke for as cheap or
cheaper. Oh, the edges are a great example. Like
you mentioned, the factory smokes, great example.
There's a lot of options out there. Yeah, there's
a lot of options, and I guess I just felt like
the Chillin' Moose 2 was slightly better than
the Chillin' Moose. Everybody's got their own
different tastes and preferences, and I'd be
hard -pressed personally to smoke a regular Chillin'
Moose without tequila. So that's why I rated
this one a little bit higher, because this one
I could actually smoke as is and be okay about
it. I wouldn't necessarily be the happiest person,
but I'd be okay about it. I mean, I would definitely
put tequila on both. If I was going to smoke
it in an inside place where we have liquor, it's
going to have tequila on it for sure. I mean,
to be honest, if somebody says, I got a fuck
ton of tequila and I got some cigars that may
or may not be good, you just want to put tequila
on them and smoke them? I mean, I'm down. Let's
do it. But that's a different vibe than having
a thoughtful conversation in my campfire with
a good smoke. So a little different motive, I
guess. Right. Yeah, this is a drink light beer
by a campfire and smoke a cigar. Yeah, yep. For
sure. So bust out the, what is it, Michelob Ultras.
Yep. Or the Natterdays. I think like a Natterday
would be a good pairing with this because you
got a little bit of the sweetness from the beer
and then you got the cigar, which this one was
a little bit darker, a little spicy in the, you
know, I don't know, one third to the three quarters
mark. I know that's going to be tough for Americans
because they don't understand the fractions,
but. Yes, three -eighths, three -quarters. Three
-eighths is clearly bigger by twice. Yeah, eight
is bigger than four. So, yeah, I think that's
all I have to say about that cigar. I don't recommend
it. Either one, really. No, not really. The labels
are cool. They might be fine as tequila cigars.
Or, you know, if you just, if you stumble upon
them and they're absolutely dirt cheap, like
almost giving them away, that's fine. But there's
so many other good cigars for very little cost
that are a much better smoke than these. But,
you know, again, if they're at a place and you
see them and you want to pick one up to try it,
it's not necessarily going to be a bad smoke,
you know, by and large. But it might not be entirely
enjoyable. But yeah, I can't really recommend
it. But if you're tempted and want to try it,
what are you out? A couple dollars. It's not
a big commitment there, so. You can always put
it out, toss it out, throw it out, whatever.
I think Mike did better than he thinks he did
on the sin guessing game. Again, all of these
will be over on our Patreon for free. You just
go over there and you can check out all the questions
and answers. And yeah, thanks for listening.
Be safe, have fun.