I want to talk about the communist plot to steal
Americans' essence. That's right, we're talking
fluoride. Welcome to Nice Ashes. Join hosts Mike
and Nate for cigars and culture. Let's go beyond
the smoke. What are we smoking, Mike? We are
smoking. The Tatiana Vanilla. Yes. Smells lovely.
The cap tasted lovely. Dude. I'm looking forward
to it. So good. Of course, the big, what? The
big issue or the big thing in everybody's mind
is the moon trance. What about the moon trance?
I'm not expecting moon trance quality, but maybe
I'll be surprised. If last episode was anything
to judge by. We don't judge it by its cover or
case or label. Yeah, very, very, very sweet.
I think a lot sweeter than a Moon Trance even.
There's a secondary flavor I'm picking up, but
again, I don't have a really good palate, which
is why I don't live in California wine country.
But not entirely pleasant, but the sweet vanilla
is pleasant, but there's some other kind of thing
going on here at the very beginning. Yeah, there's
something off about it. I thought maybe it was
the match. Because it's a little woody, maybe?
Yeah, I use a lighter, but there's something
a little off. But could just be the first few
puffs. We'll find out, won't we? Yes, we will.
Yes. What are we drinking today, Nate? Ah, I'm
glad you asked. I'm drinking a Lagunitas Maximus
Colossal IPA, which is, you know, I think a 9
% behemoth of an IPA. Quite tasty. We'll see
how far I make it in this episode before it's
just innate babble. I'm mixing it up. Doing a
big switch. Ooh, boy, what is it? We are drinking
the Guinness draft stout. Holy shit. Didn't see
that one coming. Yeah, it wasn't water. It wasn't
water. And it wasn't tea or coffee. It's Guinness
draft stout. Damn, Mike is serious this episode.
Everybody watch out. When he does drink, it's
not usually Guinness. So I don't know what's
going on in his life, his personal life, professional
life, what have you. But Mike needs unwind, and
it's right now, this episode. That's right. Guinness
is very atypical for the show. Not a standard.
Definitely not a sponsor. But they could be.
They could be. Why don't you reach out to them,
Mike? Yeah, yeah. Hey, you want to sponsor this
podcast with one listener who was also a guest?
Yes, yes, yes. A guest soon. Coming up, perhaps.
Don't want to spoil any surprises for this season.
But all it takes to make it worth it is the one
listener. So thank you, Keith. Thank you. Thank
you. So, what are we talking about today, Nate?
Ooh, well, you hit us last episode with something
that was timely and pertinent, and I'm going
to try and do the same. I want to talk about
the communist plot to steal Americans' essence.
That's right, we're talking fluoride. Oh my god,
fucking fluoride. It is in the news right now,
isn't it? Isn't it, though? Alright, I did a
lot more research on fluoride than I thought
possible, but here we go. So the recent stuff
here, the beginning of April, RFK Jr., everybody's
favorite, what's he the head of now? Department
of Health. All of health in America. Yeah. He's
trying to push the CDC to stop recommending fluoride.
The important thing to note here, though, is
that he can't really prevent communities from
changing their recommendations because fluoride
in the water supply is on community or per community
basis. But he can change the CDC recommendations
and he can work with the EPA to change the recommended
dosage or amount of it. Even more recently and
more kind of impactful news, March 27th, the
Utah Governor Spencer J. Cox. signed a bill into
law making the state the first in the United
States to ban fluoride in public water systems.
The law prohibits any person or government entity
from adding the mineral to the state's water
systems, but does allow for pharmacists to prescribe
fluoride supplements to individuals. So those
are kind of the recent headlines and I thought
let's dive into kind of the history of fluoride
because it's one of those things where it's been
in The media, it's been in the news, it's been
in pop culture, it's been a lot of places. So
let's figure out... What the fuck is fluoride?
I think it's communist mind control. That's what
Alex Jones told me. Well, he might not be wrong.
We have to listen to the rest of the episode
to find out, don't we? Communist mind control.
And everybody knows how anti -communist I am.
And that was not a joke. That might be the only
thing I say this episode that is not a joke.
All right. So the first section I've got here.
Why is fluoride in the water? Is it turning frogs
gay? I know why they say. I know why they say.
Yes. So fluoride is added to the water to help
prevent tooth decay. Surprise, surprise. There's
five reasons communities will add fluoride to
their water supply. One is that it prevents...
tooth decay. So it's the most efficient way to
prevent cavities, one of the most common childhood
diseases. An estimated 51 million schools and
164 million work hours are lost each year due
to dental -related illness. So, I mean, that's
not a small amount. Community water fluoridation
is so effective at preventing tooth decay that
the CDC named it one of the 10 great public health
achievements of the 20th century. And we're going
to get into some of this stuff in more detail
later. I've got tons of pages of notes here.
I hope we can get through all of it. Number two
is it protects all ages against cavities. Studies
show that fluoride and community water systems
prevent at least 25 % of tooth decay in children
and adults. even with widespread public access
to fluoride from other sources, such as fluoride
toothpaste. Number three, it's safe and effective.
For more than 75 years, the best scientific evidence
has consistently shown that fluoridation is safe
and effective. It's been endorsed by numerous
U .S. surgeon generals, and more than 100 health
organizations have joined the ADA in recognizing
the health benefits of water fluoridation for
preventing tooth decay, including the CDC and
the American Medical Association, the World Health
Organization, and the American Academy. of pediatrics.
Number four is it saves money. The average lifetime
cost per person to fluoridate a water supply
is less than the cost of just one dental filling.
For most municipalities, every $1 invested in
water fluoridation saves $38 in dental treatment
costs. And the last one is, it's natural. Fluoride
is naturally present in groundwater and the oceans.
Water fluoridation is the adjustment of fluoride
to a recommended level for preventing tooth decay.
It's similar to fortifying other foods and beverages.
For example, fortifying salt with iodine. You
know, you get the iodized table salt. Milk with
vitamin D, orange juice with calcium, and bread
with folic acid. Sounds like a bunch of hippie
gobbledygook to me because I still have all my
teeth and I grew up on well water. And surely
if I did a test, there'd be zero fluoride in
my well. I have no doubt, no doubt there'd be
no fluoride in my well. Well, you know what,
Mike? What kind of toothpaste do you use, bud?
Oh, well, I buy the fluoride -free Colgate Total
Ultra or Crest Total Ultra or whatever the brand
is that's cheapest at Costco that is the Total
Ultra kind. Okay. That may or may not have fluoride.
You don't know for sure. Well, it definitely
does not say fluoride on that product list. Well,
why would they? It's probably standard now. Fluoride.
Right. So to be serious. But second serious statement.
My understanding of fluoride is that topically
applied to your teeth, it does in fact absorb
and prevent cavities. And when I was a child,
they did issue me fluoride pills. That was going
to be my next question. I remember. Chew up.
Yep. And my dentist said to chew it up and to
swish it around my mouth like a mouthwash and
to spit it out. After like 30 seconds. Okay.
So he did not recommend swallowing the fluoride
pill. It was like a soft chewable and you chew
it up and you'd like soak your teeth in it and
then spit it out similar to a mouthwash. Okay.
Yeah. I had the fluoride pills too because we
had well water when I was growing up and they
were little pink pills and you chewed them up.
And I don't remember if we, if we spit them out
or if we swallowed them. I don't know. Oh, I
remember, but we're going to get into it later.
I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to get into
a lot of this stuff. did not tell me to swallow
it. There's a reason. So I'm sure that it's going
to come up. You know what? It's going to come
up. It's going to come up. I'm trying to set
the playing field so that when we get into some
of the stuff, we can really get into it. Absolutely.
All right. So there's a minority scientific view.
But of course, you know, in Germany, there's
a minority opinion that maybe the Jews should
not be exterminated. Spicy. Yes. Also, we did
put out our very first spice rack. on our Patreon,
which is incredibly spicy. So if you're not a
backer, you should check it out. We had, it was
funny, we had our only, our one listener's wife,
she did the intro voice for us for our Spice
Track series that I'm sure will continue because
Mike and I are a little spicy. We're mouthy potty
boys or whatever. Potty bald. Yeah, something
like that. Potty bald individuals. Yes, yes,
yes. If our mothers are equal in height and weight,
we'd still have soap in our mouths. All right,
so the minority scientific view is there are
scientists and doctors that oppose water fluoridation,
and they argue that it has little to no benefits
and may cause some serious health problems, and
it's not effective enough to justify the costs,
and it is pharmacologically obsolete. Interesting.
I also knew that. Okay. Yes. Yes. And I did,
I did look, I did find in my searching, I found
several, you know, hometown dentist websites
who had sections on fluoride. And my favorite
one was, well, anything in excess is deadly,
even oxygen. And he said that like three times.
Sound reasoning. Yes. He said that three times
in his little, like, why fluoride is safe section.
So I was like, hmm, buddy. No. But I also did
hear that, you know, oxygenation. is what caused
this rust. And somebody posited that the only
reason we die is oxygenation of our system. But
it takes us, you know, 70, 80 years for it to
kill us. That's an interesting theory. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm not saying it's true. I'm just saying,
you know, like if we're going to be talking about
some of this kind of stuff, some of it's a little
morbid, some of it's a little like, well, is
he wrong or is he not wrong? Am I wrong, Donnie?
I don't know enough to refute that. Especially
since I have seen scientific studies about the
aging cells. And scientists have maybe isolated
some aging cells that might not need to exist.
I don't know. But at what point are you just
fucking with the natural order? I don't know.
Fluoride in the water is totally natural. Also,
having a massive water system in a city that
cleans water so everybody can have fresh, drinkable
water in their homes. Completely natural. Obviously,
Stone Age people had that. Well, the Stone Age
people have all their teeth, Mike. Are they getting
the good blowjobs? I don't know. You tell me.
I was going to say, the Stone Age people that
had fluoridated processed water certainly had
all their teeth. Yeah, they had all the shiny
pearly whites, and they were the rage of the
village. Okay, so fluoride can be naturally present
in water, but it can also be naturally present
in water at concentrations well above the recommended
levels. which can have several long -term adverse
effects. So this is part of, you know, the doctor
saying anything in extreme can be dangerous.
Well, yeah, if I eat enough tacos, I might die.
But I'm going to find out what the limit is,
and then the rest of you know. So you can have
severe dental fluorosis, skeletal fluorosis,
and weakened bones. In 1984, the World Health
Organization recommended a guideline maximum
fluoride value of 1 .5 milligrams per liter.
is a level at which fluorosis should be minimal,
reaffirming it in 2006. So 22 years later, they
still stand by their 1 .5 milligrams per liter,
where fluorosis should be minimal. And I think
part of the thing that's going to kind of come
back is the individual is the individual, and
not every individual is the same as every other
individual, right? Crazy concept, I know. But
bear with us. Fluoridation has little effect
on the risk of bone fracture. It may result in
slightly lower fracture risk than either excessively
high levels of fluoridation or no fluoridation.
And there's no clear association between fluoridation
and cancer or deaths due to cancer, both for
cancer in general and specifically for bone cancer
and osteosarcoma, whatever that may be. I'm not
a doctor, so please do your own research on fluoridation.
In rare cases, improper implementation of water
fluoridation can result in overfluoridation.
That causes outbreaks of acute fluoride poisoning,
symptoms that include nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea.
Three such outbreaks were actually reported in
the United States between 1991 and 1998, caused
by fluoride concentrations as high as 220 milligrams
per liter. So that's quite a bit higher than
the 1 .5 milligrams per liter. That's a lot higher.
Yeah, it is crazy high. And there was a 1992
Alaska outbreak. 262 people became ill and one
person died. And in 2010, approximately 60 gallons
of fluoride were released into the water supply
in North Carolina in 90 minutes, an amount that
was intended to be released in a 24 -hour period.
So, of course, it depends on competent people,
right? Somebody got fired. I'm sure. Like other
common water additives such as chlorine, hydrofluorosilic
acid and sodium silicofluoride decrease pH and
cause a small increase in corrosivity, so corrosiveness.
But the problem is easily addressed by increasing
the pH. So it's been hypothesized that hydrofluorosilic
acid and sodium silocofluoride might increase
human lead uptake in water. There was a 2006
statistical analysis that didn't support those
concerns and that these chemicals, they didn't
support the concerns that these chemicals cause
higher blood lead concentrations in children.
Trace levels of arsenic and lead may be present
in fluoride compounds added to water, but the
concentrations are below measurement limits.
So again, I don't know. If it's a microscopic
thing that can't be measured, is it there? What
is it, the ship of Theseus, if it's rebuilt in
its entirety, is it still the same ship or is
it a different ship? I don't know. One of the
great philosophical questions of life. Sure.
The effect of water fluoridation on the natural
environment has been investigated and no adverse
effects have been established. It's a naturally
occurring mineral. HCU studies have included
fluoride concentrations in groundwater and downstream
rivers, lawns, gardens, and plants. Conceptions
of plants grown in fluoridated water, air emissions,
and equipment. noise. So there's quite a bit
of studies out there on it in terms of safety.
Now, that's to say that we're not going to get
into some shit later because we're going to get
into some shit later. But I think more of those
are going to be ethical and less kind of actual
safety. Anything you want to add, Mike? Nope.
Nope. Background information is good. Yes. So
let's, speaking of background information, great
segue, Mike. Let's go back to where humans discovered
fluoride might actually be. a good thing for
teeth. It began with observations of Colorado
brown stain in the early 1900s, where residents
with stained teeth also had fewer cavities. So
Frederick McKay, he's a dentist in Colorado,
investigated this phenomenon, and he eventually
linked the staining and reduced decay to naturally
occurring fluoride in the water supply, and that
led to the development of water fluoridation,
which began in Grand Rapids, Michigan, in 1945,
and has since been widely adopted as a public
health measure to prevent cavities. I thought
for sure you were going to say that brown staining
associated with Guinness and cigars prevented
cavities. Well, it's coffee for sure, Mike. It's
coffee for sure. It has nothing to do with Guinness
or cigars. We're safe. We're safe. All right,
so in the early 1900s, Dr. Frederick McKay noted
a high prevalence of brown stains on teeth in
Colorado, dubbed the Colorado brown stain. And
he collaborated with Dr. G .V. Black to investigate
the cause of the stain, discovering it was associated
with the high fluoride levels in the local water
supply. McKay also observed that individuals
with the Colorado brown stain had remarkably
fewer cavities. And I think at this time, cavities
were probably one of the biggest things dentists
would see. I have to imagine. I mean, think of
all the British people still to this day and
the quality of their teeth compared to, like,
American teeth. Well, sure. Yeah, I mean, a lot
of sugar in the diet available and not a lot
of tooth cleaning, I'm sure. Yeah. In 1945, Grand
Rapids, Michigan became the first city to fluoridate
its drinking water, adding fluoride to achieve
a target level of one part per million. A 15
-year study tracked tooth decay rates among Grand
Rapids school children, demonstrating a significant
reduction in cavities compared to a control group.
And when they say significant reduction, what
do you think that percentage is, Mike? 15%. It's
over 60%. Over 60%. Wow. So, you know, and I'm
not, I don't know exactly where I fall on this.
Maybe we'll get into this at the end of the episode.
I'm not exactly sure where I fall on this water
fluoridation thing. But when you tell me you
can reduce cavities over 60 % compared to a group
that doesn't have access to fluoride, I mean,
that's huge. That's huge. I agree. Yeah, that's...
That's impressive, if the data is not manipulated
and is accurate. Sure. So based on the successful
Grand Rapids study, other cities began adding
fluoride to their water supplies, and the practice
became a widespread public health intervention.
By 1960, water fluoridation reached about 50
million Americans. The CDC, Center for Disease
Control, and prevention, now cites water fluoridation
as one of the 20th century's greatest public
health achievements, which, depending on how
you feel about institutions and things of that
nature, may not mean anything to you. As per
our last episode, think for yourself and down
with the man. But beyond that, fluoride has also
been used in toothpaste since the 1940s, and
fluoride supplements have been prescribed for
infants and children at low doses. So I know
that one of our big concerns in our household
with two young children is, you know, getting
the child toothpaste, where adults, when you
brush your teeth, you don't swallow the toothpaste,
you spit it out, and kids don't really know how
to spit things out. So all of our child toothpaste
has zero fluoride, but it's not intended. Fluoride
shouldn't be ingested, to Mike's point earlier
in the episode, where he said his dentist told
him not to swallow it. And that's why they put
it in the water for you to ingest. Hey, don't
be pointing out inconsistencies here, Mike. Don't
be putting out propaganda. You say people might
not like fluoride, Mike. Some people say it's
banned in Europe. People say Europe are ahead
of Americans. But it's inaccurate to say fluoride's
banned in Europe. Water fluoridation is not universally
practiced there, but it's not prohibited in any
European country. And many European nations have
opted for alternative fluoride delivery methods
like fluoridated salt or milk. Or they simply
have not implemented water fluoridation due to
various reasons, including practical, logistical,
and political considerations. It's not a ban
in the sense of you would think of a ban. There's
not a European Union mandate saying you can't
fluoridate the water. We're going to talk a little
bit later about why you might not want to fluoridate
the water. But basically, these other countries
just have, they have fluoridated salt. We have
iodized salt. They have fluoridated salt. They
have fluoridated milk. So it's not that they're
not ingesting it. It's not that they're not having
access to it. It's just they chose a different
delivery method. That seems totally crazy to
me, like fluoridated salt and milk. Obviously,
we have vitamin D in our milk, and we have iodine
and table salt. Yeah, but fluoride, that's crazy.
That's right out. That's crazy. Yeah, what the
hell's going on? Canada has milk in bags, so
I don't know what that's about. But that's not
this episode. We'll talk about that some other
time, I'm sure. So Austria, France, and Germany,
and Switzerland, they all have fluoridated salt,
which, you know, those are big countries. And
this method reaches a significant portion of
the population, and studies show that it reduces
tooth decay. Some countries have chosen not to
implement water fluoridation due to a decentralized
water supply. So if you've got a lot of people
that have wells, you can't, it doesn't do much
good. And some of them already have a high natural
fluoride content in their water. Or sometimes
it's political opposition. But again, fluoride
is a naturally occurring mineral. So it's the
same as, you know, I drill a well on my property
and I don't have any iron in it. But my neighbor
has a different water table or different whatever.
And he's got high iron. So he has to do a water
softener with the iron thing, right? It's all
dependent. You can't make a blanket statement
with any of this stuff, really, because every
well is different. Even here, they just recently,
a year and a half ago, decided to treat our city
water for hardness. Well, our water is still
hard, and I just put more salt in our softener,
and now it's great again. But I dropped the level
of the softener down quite a bit from what it
used to be. But even with them treating it to
where it should be a fine level coming in, you've
got all these variables, the pipes and the whatever
and the distance and things like that. So it's
not a one -size -fits -all. Oh, for sure. And
my home has a well, obviously. And similar to
other issues like radon, it's very individual.
It's unique to where you live, wherever you are.
Yeah, we had to have a radon mitigation system
put in our house after we bought it. And it wasn't
that it was a dangerous level, but it was higher
than the recommended level. So had to be done.
We're going to get a little bit into pop culture
here, Mike. But unfortunately, I don't think
this is pop culture many of our listeners might
be familiar with. I'm going to read you a quote
right here. I want you to tell me where it's
from. And then I've got a longer, longer exchange.
But here's the quote, Mike. Are you ready? I
am ready. Floridation is the most monstrously
conceived and dangerous communist plot we have
ever had to face. Do you know who said that?
Ronald Reagan. It's a great guess, Mike, but
it is General Jack D. Ripper from Dr. Strangelove
or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the
Bomb. Classic movie, by the way. Great movie.
Oh, it's so good. But this is a movie that's
an old movie by today's standards. And fluoridation
is a huge subplot in this film. So the general
goes on to say, Mandrake, do you realize that
in addition to fluoridating the water, there
are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour,
fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream. Ice
cream, Mandrake. Children's ice cream. And Captain
Mandrake says, Lord, Jack. And Jack goes, you
know when fluoridation first began? I know. No,
I don't, Jack. 1946. 1946, Mandrake. How does
that coincide with your post -war commie conspiracy,
huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign
substance is introduced to our precious bodily
fluids without the knowledge of the individual.
Certainly without any choice. That's the way
your hardcore commie works. And of course, Mandrake,
or Jack Ripper, denies any female his essence.
Oh, Jesus. Where are you at your cigar, Nate?
About halfway. A little over half, yeah. I figured
you'd be about halfway because I am three quarters
of the way done. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well,
I'm the one talking this episode and not helping
my nephew shoot turkeys. Hey, you got to get
her done, man. Man, I'm done. That's not a diss.
That's not a diss at all. So how do you like
it? You know what? I'm digging it so far. I like
it. It's good. I don't have, I cut it very narrow
at the tip. Like a very narrow tip. And I've
tried to put my lips farther into the cigar than
I usually would to limit the amount of stuff
that comes out. Yeah, these Tatianas do have
some stuff coming out, don't they? They do. And
it's fine. I don't think it's as good as the
other ones. I don't know if it's my prejudice
against vanilla. Yeah. It's just fine. It's sweet.
It's not particularly flavored, in my opinion.
It's just sweet. Yeah. Which is sad, because
vanilla is a lovely flavor, and I do like vanilla.
Vanilla is a lovely flavor and is good. This
one is sweet, a little vanilla -y. It's better
than the CAO Bella vanilla, I feel. Oh, for sure.
But it's nowhere near the Moon Trans, but it's
decent. Right. It's almost like a slightly...
It's like a La Croix vanilla of the factory sweets,
factory smoked sweets. Like, I'd almost rather
smoke a factory smoked sweets, right? If I'm
being completely honest. I would definitely prefer
a factory smoked. Yeah. Yeah. But it's not bad.
It's not bad. It's just, you know, it's a Tatiana.
They all have kind of the debris in your mouth,
slightly different flavors, but, you know, sweet.
So I'm not disliking it. It's just, it's. It's
not going to go on the regular rotation, I don't
think. No, no. I'm not writing home about it.
This is definitely a... Of the... Three we've
smoked in total. This is the closest to a dud
we've had. And I'm not impressed. Let's put it
that way. Not that it's bad. Yeah, it's not a
dud per se. It's just it's not as good as the
other two. Right. Which is partly why we do these.
We smoke these ones in these series sometimes.
And sometimes they're back to back to back to
back. And sometimes they're spread out a little
bit. Because as with a lot of the CAO series
we've done in the past and some of the other
series we've done in the past, they're not all
made the same. Well, full disclosure to the listeners,
I bought a case, well, two cases of these cigars.
So we have a bunch to try. We do. We do. So we're
going to spread them out, obviously. Yeah. Well,
and I'm less apprehensive now, having smoked
three of them, than I was when you initially
said, we're in for a ride. Here you go. So I'm
less apprehensive, for sure, because they've
all been enjoyable. Differing levels, for sure.
Okay. Fluoride. Yes, fluoride. I've got a couple
scientific articles that I found. This one's
called The Fluoride Debate, The Pros and Cons
of Fluoridation. And they've got a pro and con
here. The pros are dental prevention. Fluoride
has been shown to reduce the incidence of dental
cavities and slow or reverse the progression
of existing... I guess. Public health achievement,
water fluoridation has been recognized as a significant
public health success. And in addition to water
fluoride, fluoride can be delivered through other
means such as milk, salt, toothpaste, and mouth
rinses, providing flexibility in public health
strategies. The cons are excessive fluoride intake
can lead to dental fluorosis, a condition that
affects the appearance of teeth, and in severe
cases, skeletal fluorosis, which impacts bones
and joints. Variability in water fluoride levels,
so natural fluoride concentrations in water vary,
making it challenging to control total fluoride
intake, especially when combined with other sources
like food and dental products. So if you have
fluoridated water and you use a fluoridated toothpaste,
and let's say you also have, you know, fluoridated
salt or milk or Lord knows what else, a fluoridated
condom, great on campuses, right? Oh, Jesus.
I don't think the girls do that anymore. Yeah,
maybe not. Maybe not. But does it have to be
taken orally or does it have to be in the system
some way? I don't know. But basically, it makes
it hard to target that World Health Organization
level, right, if you have other sources of fluoride.
If it's just water fluoride, they have a specific
level. But if you're also getting it somewhere
else. you might end up with too much. There's
another scientific article called Impacts of
Fluoride, Neurotoxicity, and Mitochondrial Dysfunction
on Cognition and Mental Health. Now, this one's
fairly interesting because one of the things
is there's been studies on the fetus, basically.
And if the fetus has access to fluoride, it gets
a little interesting. So you've got prenatal
and perinatal exposure. So studies suggest that
exposure to fluoride during prenatal and perinatal
periods may have neurotoxic effects. Observed
outcomes include physical changes in animals,
such as fur loss and delayed reflex development,
reduced intelligence, increased hyperactivity,
and mood irregularities. If it's bad in animals
in the womb, and shortly thereafter, it seems
like water fluoridation might not be the best
option. Especially when you think about since
the 90s, the Kind of the prognosis or diagnosis
of ADHD and ADD has shot through the roof. Can
you blame it all on fluoride? I don't know. I
think, you know, you got to look at causation
versus correlation for sure. But I don't know,
man. I mean, you're basically mass dosing people.
That's such a hot topic. And the numbers don't
lie. And there's something going on. It's probably
a... cumulative effect from multiple factors,
one of which may or may not be fluoride in the
water, one of which may or may not be vaccines,
one of which may or may not be the chemical processing
of our food supply. Yeah, or TV as a babysitter,
right? Yeah, screen time, huge, huge. I didn't
have a lot of screen time growing up. I'm not
trying to come out and be like all anti -fluoride,
but also you've got studies showing that in animals
this is... Not good for infants. And you have
all these products out there, all of these products,
that say if you're pregnant, consult a doctor
before consuming. But they'll just willy -nilly
fluoridate your water. Right. So, you know, it's
a lack of consistency. I think, in this sense.
Again, I'm not saying fluoride causes things.
It's just I'm trying to show to you what I've
discovered on my studies of this. Because, you
know, fluoride is kind of like, yeah, it was
funny in Doctor Strange when, you know, he was
accusing the Russians of stealing his essence
by adding fluoride to the water. And I don't
even know how it got to that point that, you
know, Kubrick would put that in his movie or
whatever. But it's been a thing for a long time.
This fluoride thing. And I've never had a cavity.
And I'm soon to be 39 years old and I've never
had a cavity. And it's funny because my wife
has never had a cavity until I think two years
ago she had her first cavity. So who knows? I
don't know. You know, and a lot of it too is
genetics, right? If you have good teeth, you
have good teeth. And some teeth are more resilient
to cavities. You're brushing habits, and I'm
a big proponent of flossing. I floss every day.
Some people don't like flossing, and that's cool.
Do what you do. I need to get more into flossing.
I really only floss once a week. I need to do
it more. Yeah. My dental hygienist or my dental
assistant or whatever, she told me, I want you
to floss every day, and it's going to suck for
the first couple weeks. But after the first couple
weeks, you're going to notice if you miss a day
flossing. And that is true. That is true. That's
been true. If I miss a day flossing, I can tell.
I don't know how I know. I can definitely tell,
you know, being a hunter and a fisherman. You
can definitely tell when you don't brush your
teeth. That's for sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes.
And I've seen people, I've seen dentists say,
or dentists, I've seen dentists say that if you're
going to eat sweets, it's better to eat it all
in one go than it is to snack on it throughout
the day. Because the sugar content. over a set
number of time, it's like you're constantly applying
sugar to your teeth. Instead of if you eat it
all at once, you can drink water, you can drink
whatever else, and it cleans off your teeth.
Or even your own saliva cleans off your teeth.
But if you snack on it consistently throughout
the day, it's worse for your teeth than if you
just eat it all in one go. Sure. That makes a
lot of sense. Yeah. All right. The second thing
of this article, this scientific article, impacts
fluoride neurotoxicity and mitochondrial dysfunction,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You
guys did great. I'm not trying to minimize your
scientific research, but your title is too fucking
long, and I'm just not going to read it again.
So if there are mitochondrial dysfunction, fluoride
exposure has been linked to mitochondrial damage,
including decreased mitochondrial DNA content.
disrupted biogenesis and loss of circular mitochondrial
structure. And I think, as we all know, the mitochondria
is the powerhouse of the cell. Since many neurodevelopmental
conditions are associated with mitochondrial
dysfunction, this pathway is considered significant
in understanding fluoride's potential neurotoxic
effects. There's some research gaps. The review
identifies two main gaps in literature. One is
limited research on the mental and emotional
impact of fluoride exposure compared to cognitive
outcomes. And two, a focus on prenatal and perinatal
exposure in human studies, with little research
on other developmental stages such as adolescence.
And that's interesting because I know there are
studies on marijuana. where your brain is developing
basically until 18 years old. And so a lot of
the literature and scientific studies say if
you're going to smoke weed, marijuana, you shouldn't
do so until after 18 because it can, before 18,
it can negatively affect your development. Again,
I'm not a doctor. That makes sense. I don't know,
but yes. That makes sense too. I'm sure there
are studies on alcohol and, you know, European
nations let people drink at 16 and we wait till
21 here. I don't know what the effects of that
is. We're talking about fluoride. But the conclusion
of this article basically states, there's evidence
suggesting early life fluoride exposure may have
neurotoxic effects, potentially mediated by mitochondrial
dysfunction. Further research is necessary to
fully understand the impact and timing of fluoride
exposure on mental health. So it's one of those
things where... you know, what is it? See the
forest through the trees kind of thing where,
yeah, we've got an over 60 % decrease of cavities,
but what's the other cost? What's the other side
effects that might be happening that we don't
know about yet? The other big thing here with
the fluoride is the pineal gland. And the pineal
gland is responsible for producing melatonin,
which helps regulate the sleep -wake cycles.
And you can get melatonin supplements that help
you sleep or, you know, supposedly help you sleep.
I've had good luck with melatonin supplements,
honestly. They put me out for sure. But the pineal
gland will accumulate fluoride, which potentially
affects its function. And this accumulation can
lead to decreased melatonin production and can
potentially disrupt your circadian rhythms. So
the pineal gland is located between the brain's
hemispheres. It synthesizes and secretes melatonin.
And melatonin plays a crucial role in regulating
the body's circadian rhythm, impacting your sleep
-wake cycles, puberty onset in females, and protecting
against cell damage. The pineal gland is one
of the organs that accumulates fluoride. This
accumulation is attributed to its high vascularization
and location outside the blood -brain barrier.
Some studies suggest that fluoride accumulation
in the pineal gland may negatively impact its
function, potentially leading to reduced melatonin
production. This is because fluoride can interfere
with the... well, this is... I don't know why.
I don't know why all these words are tough to
say, but penelokites. The cell is responsible
for melatonin production and may also contribute
to a calcification of the gland. And I think
everybody knows what calcification is. It's like
stalagmite, right? Stalactite? Stalactite? Stalagmite?
Something like that. Something like that. I'm
not a cave person either. I'm not going to go
down and die face down in some world's smallest
passage. If you're into spelunking, that's good
for you, but not me. Give me wide open skies.
And a place to roam. Preliminary animal studies
have shown that fluoride reduces melatonin and
it shortens the puberty onset. And the exact
effects of fluoride on human pineal gland function
and melatonin production are still being researched.
So it seems like it could shorten the puberty
onset. At least it says here for females. So
I don't know if it has any effect on males or
not. Nobody gives a shit about males. Yeah. Calcification
of the pineal gland, it's a natural process that
occurs with age, but it may also affect melatonin
production and disrupt sleep cycles or sleep
patterns. Fluoride accumulation could potentially
contribute to this calcification process. So
I guess your pineal gland kind of gets less efficient
with age, as does most things, I suppose, right?
But fluoride might speed it up. So you might
have a pineal gland of a 60 -year -old at 40
or something. Who knows? But the important considerations
are correlation versus causation, which pretty
much any time you're talking about statistics,
that's the hugest thing. Is fluoride accumulation
in the pineal gland has been observed, but more
research is needed to confirm a direct causal
link between fluoride exposure and changes in
melatonin production or sleep patterns. Sometimes
these conspiracy theorists will take something
like this saying, we don't know for sure it might
lead to this, and they'll take it as, let's say,
gospel, and they just go and run with it. The
primary health concern related to fluoride is
the impact on dental health, where it is beneficial
for reducing tooth decay. But ongoing research
is exploring the potential impact of fluoride
exposure on sleep outcomes, including sleep duration,
quality, and sleep disorders. So there's definitely
some other concerns with fluoride, as there should
be with anything you add to people's diets or
intake, I think, right? I mean, there's more
concerns than just the benefit, which is why
all of our prescription commercials have the,
in some rare cases, this drug has been known
to cause death or diarrhea. Oh, yeah. We saw
an ad last week, and it was a 30 -second ad,
and 25 seconds of it was side effects, and they
were buzzing. It's like, how the fuck did this
get passed with all these side effects? Money.
I'm guessing money. I'm going to guess a lot
of money. Yeah. I'm going to guess that there's
a lot of money involved for whatever it was for.
I don't even know what it was for. Yeah. All
right. So in summation, fluoride is a naturally
occurring mineral. When properly used, helps
prevent tooth decay, and it strengthens the teeth.
It's a key component in many toothpastes and
mouthwashes. So even if you're against water
fluoridation, check your toothpaste. I mean,
if you're against fluoridation. 100%. Check your
toothpaste. I mean, check the ingredients. That's
why we have ingredients in the back. Because
you may be taking it without knowing it. Yeah,
I'm going to say that most toothpastes have fluoride.
Like I say, my understanding of the topic is
that your teeth will absorb the fluoride directly
without ingesting it. Similar to other things.
And that is probably the most effective delivery
method. Probably so. Probably so. And you will
get the most benefit with the least amount of
cost if you directly put the fluoride on your
teeth for two minutes, you know, however long
it takes you to brush your teeth. It puts the
fluoride on his teeth or it gets the hose again.
Yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, when it's used properly,
it helps your teeth. And that's proven. You almost
can't refute that. You can't refute that fluoride
helps your teeth. You can say that, you know,
there are definitely some side effects that may
not be as well studied as other things. But the
benefits are it prevents cavities. It strengthens
your enamel, your tooth enamel, making it more
resistant to acid attacks and from bacteria that
can lead to cavities. It reverses early signs
of decay, so it can help repair, even, early
tooth decay and prevent it from progressing.
So if you have bad teeth and you are introduced
to fluoride toothpaste, let's say, you can actually
reverse some of that early signs of damage. And
studies have shown that communities with fluoridated
water, they have significantly reduced rates
of tooth decay in both children and adults. And
fluoride plays a role in maintaining healthy
gums and help protect teeth from wear and tear.
But some of the risks and considerations are
excessive fluoride exposure during tooth development
can cause a cosmetic condition called dental
fluorosis, which can result in mild staining
or discoloration of the teeth, going back to
the Colorado stain. You know, their teeth were
brown because their water had high concentrations
of fluoride, so it made their teeth discolored.
They had less cavities, but they were discolored.
So it was too much. Skeletal fluorosis, which
is extremely rare in the United States, can occur
with prolonged excessive fluoride exposure, and
it can affect your bones and joints. And prenatal
exposure, there have been concerns about the
prenatal exposure and potential effects on brain
development, but more research is needed for
that. Although, I don't know, I think the animal
stuff, I think that's enough for me. But again,
I'm at the FDA or anything like that. If you
want to bribe me with millions of dollars, I
can become the FDA. That's the point. Too much
fluoride can lead to dental fluorosis and in
extremely rare cases, skeletal fluorosis, which
will affect your bone and joints. So fluoride
is safe and effective for preventing tooth decay
when used in appropriate amounts. There are some
risks with excessive fluoridation, and a lot
of the European countries actually state their
reason for not fluoridating their water is one,
the cost per benefit, and two, for introducing...
what they consider kind of a medical thing to
unwilling participants, which is strange because
you would think America, the country of the individual,
would be about, hey, you want fluoride? You can
get fluoride. You don't want it? We're not going
to fluoride your water. So kind of an interesting...
This has been discussed many times on the show.
We have the illusion of freedom. The illusion
of freedom. Yeah. I'm just saying it's interesting
because as backwards as a lot of people think
America is with public health, right? A lot of
communities choose to fluoridate their water,
which is basically saying, here, have some free
health care. Well, it's not 100 % free, right?
Your taxes and whatever. But, you know, have
some free health care. But it's kind of, you
can't opt out of it, free healthcare. It's like
a free healthcare by force thing. So it's definitely
an interesting take. If it was looked into, I
would bet money that there was some person that
owned a factory or a mine or something that produced
fluoride that... paid off government officials
to make it the law. This is my understanding
in the state of Minnesota, it is mandated to
have fluoride in the water everywhere. Could
be, could be. I don't know. I'm going to tell
you a little story. You will remember this, Mike,
because we're almost the same age. You know,
close enough to be imperceivable in other people's
eyes. We're the same era, the same generation.
Let's say that. When I was a kid, The hole in
the ozone layer was a huge concern. And by huge
concern, I mean we joked about it all the time
in school, right? I don't know. That's what you
did back then. And you haven't heard of it since
then, since we were in school and heard about
the ozone layer. And the reason why is, for some
reason, maybe no reason at all, all of the governments
that were important to this thing decided that
it was actually an issue. And they banded together.
and decided to do something about it. And they
actually did something about it. And it actually
prevented or reversed the hole in the ozone layer.
And it's done. It's not an issue anymore because
everybody joined together and said, holy shit,
this is a big issue. Let's fix it. But it wasn't
reported in media that everybody banded together
and worked together and fixed it. Because good
news doesn't sell. Bad news sells. And maybe
to some extent, that's what fluoride is. To be
fair, there's some other very concerning side
effects, especially for the prenatal stuff, that
are concerning or alarming. But maybe fluoride
isn't that bad of a thing in the grand scheme
of things. I don't know. I don't think it's a
communist plot, all Dr. Strangelove. But there
might be somebody benefiting from all of this,
but I don't think it's necessarily nefarious
in the sense that, you know, you've got an over
60 % decrease of cavities. I tend to agree with
you. Like, the reality is I tend to agree with
you. You don't need to attribute bad intentions.
Oh, no, no, no. To water fluoridation. Like,
it's not necessary. Yeah, I mean, like, fluoridation
seems like one of those mundane things we shouldn't
even have an episode about, but here we fucking
are. Sure, so. Because, you know, like, Arfie
Jr. is like, oh, fluoridation, bad. So, I became
aware of fluoridation circa... Oh, would it be
like 2013, 2012, something like that? Sure. For
the first time ever, I, as everybody knows, I
worked in the oil patch. Yeah. And out there,
Alex Jones was on the radio. Okay. And we would
play Alex Jones for four hours a day on the job
site radios because everybody loved Alex Jones,
myself included. And Jordan, who has been on
the show, big fan. Of Rush Limbaugh and Alex
Jones. And on his show, he talked about fluoridation.
And I remember it because he was talking about
how it was a mind control, a Soviet mind control
drug that the United States government put in
the water. To make people facile and easy to
control and manipulate, which you did not mention.
You know what? I wanted to mention it because
that is something I have heard that fluoride
makes you less aggressive. Yes. But nothing in
my research lent any weight to that. So I thought
that was going to be one of the top things. I
even typed in fluoride conspiracy theories and
nothing came up for aggressiveness. Yeah, and
it stuck out because a town in Minnesota, Brainerd,
Minnesota, famously fought the government to
fluoridate their water, and they were the last
town in the state to do so. And the Supreme Court
of Minnesota ordered the city to fluoridate their
water, and they still delayed it by like four,
six years, something like that. Like they fought,
like the city fought against it, and apparently
they still have a tap. At their water treatment
facility where you can get city water that's
not fluoridated. Okay. I'm sure people line up
for that, too. I'm sure they do. Oh, I'm sure.
I lived in Brainerd for a while, but all I got
was the Brainerd diarrhea. It's a Wikipedia article.
Look it up. I literally got Brainerd diarrhea.
Right, so this was a hot topic between Jordan
and I because being from Minnesota, it was like,
oh, what are those fucking weird northern people?
What are they up to fighting against the fluoride?
Yep. Made the Alex Jones show. Yeah, a lot of
people think Minnesota is a Democrat state because
of the cities, but you've got almost an equal
number of... It's not really necessarily a political
divide on the fluoride, but, you know, you've
got all these people outside of the Twin Cities
that are very staunch Republicans. That's true.
I don't think that the fluoride issue is so much
Republican as it is. No, I don't think it is.
I don't think it is. Anti -government control.
Well, yeah, anti -government control. I'm just
saying, like, you know, a lot of people think,
like, oh, Minnesota, they always vote Democrat.
Well, of course they do. They've got more of
the population in the Twin Cities than they do
anywhere else. But it's just like saying, you
know, oh, Wisconsin. Robinson's always Republican.
Well, they've got Democrat pockets as well, like
Madison, but Madison is not as big as Minneapolis
and St. Paul combined. So you don't have the
same, it's not the same balance. It's just people
are people, you know. Right. Well, northern Minnesota
has a lot of hippies and free thinkers. Yes.
And a lot of I'm going to go out and be self
-reliant and hunt some animals or whatever, you
know. Yep. Yep. Exactly. A huge self -reliance
culture. A huge. Yeah. Anti -mainstream culture.
Well, as per our last episode, you've got a lot
of free thinkers, and that could be free thinkers
on your political side or the other political
side. It doesn't really matter. Oh, for sure.
Yeah, they're free thinkers. For sure, yeah.
I mean, it's free thinking. Free thinking is
encouraged. Yes. Free thinking is highly encouraged.
So that's... Most of the reason why I'm aware
of the fluoride issue is because of Alex Jones
and my time spent in the patch. Because everybody
would say, oh, you're from Minnesota? Do you
know about this? Yeah. I'm like, no. Why the
fuck would I know about that? That happened way
before I was a... thinking about political shit.
I think it was, like I said, 1980. I looked it
up during the show. It was 1980 when Brainerd
finally fluoridated the water. So the last city
to fluoridate their water in Minnesota was 1980,
which was six years after the court ordered them
to do so. So somehow they managed to drag their
feet for six years. We got a vote on it, but
the one guy, he's still out on the goose blind.
I don't know. We've got to wait for him to come
back. Yeah, George, he's repairing his fucking...
and moccasins trying to pick mushrooms out in
the forest. He hasn't come down from his last
trip. We got to wait. Yeah, exactly. For him
to sober up a bit. Yep. So that's all I know
about fluoride. It's being, you know, living,
growing up up here and living up here. It's in
the zeitgeist of our thought. For sure. Fuck
the government. Well, it's crazy because I remember
taking those little pink pills or the little
pink tablets and chewing them up. Right, and
I don't remember if I spit them out or swallowed
them. I don't remember. It wasn't a huge thing
for a child, of course. But I do remember the
fluoride pills. I remember them, and I remember
chewing them, but I don't remember what happened
after the fact. You know what I mean? Like, you
remember not swallowing them. I don't know if
I did or didn't. To some extent, it doesn't really
matter. I remember because my dentist was pro
-fluoride but against drinking it. He was like
one of those guys. I'm sure he was active in
the anti -fluoride campaigns of the 70s, which
was common in this region. Like, you know, all
of northern Minnesota is kind of similar where
it's like free thinkers. Well, even northern
Wisconsin where I grew up. Right. So it's the
same stuff. You know, we cheer for a winning
football team and you guys don't. It's not a
big deal. Right. Yeah. Like I say, I mean, I'm
like a registered Democrat, but I'm also anti.
anti -authoritarian. So I want people to make
their own choices, whether right or wrong. Well,
yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you, you know? Well, I think
that's the biggest detractor or detriment to
water fluoridation is, yes, you're drastically
reducing cavities, but you're doing so against
the free choices of these people you're giving
it to. They don't have a choice in a lot of these
communities. And that's the issue, I think, mostly,
is there are some Side effects, whether they're
founded or unfounded, science still has to decide,
I suppose, depending on the levels and all of
that stuff. But basically, if you want somebody
to make their own decisions, they should decide
if they want fluoride or not. And you've got
these other options where you have fluoridated
toothpaste. They've got the fluoride pills. I
guess if you're in Europe or something, you've
got fluoridated sugar and salt or whatever the
fuck. Milk, I don't know. Oh, my mouthwash. I
specifically buy the mouthwash that has fluoride
in it. Alcohol and fluoride both, I believe.
It's like the purple Listerine. Because I want
the fluoride on my teeth. Like, I do want the
fluoride on my teeth. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like,
yeah. I do. I understand. Well, I don't think
the issue is that fluoride is bad for your teeth.
I think the issue is fluoride. It's good for
your teeth, but we shouldn't be drinking it,
maybe. Potentially. Potentially, for sure. And
I think that's the big issue. There's no fluoride
in my water on purpose, I can tell you that.
Well, yeah. The people that say that Europe has
a ban on it because fluoride is evil, they're
missing the point. To an extent. Because, again,
it's not necessarily a ban. It's just, you know,
they look at the cost per whatever. And for them,
the cost per whatever doesn't add up to fluoridate
the water. Or they don't want to force somebody
to take a medical, you know, what I would consider
a medical precaution without a choice. Well,
sure. Their number, their CBA, cost -benefit
analysis, doesn't bear out putting it in the
water. Well, and they put it in salt or they
put it in whatever, you know, so. Yeah, which
is great, like I say. I know that it's not crazy.
It sounds crazy. Well, it sounds crazy to us,
but we put it in the water, right? We put it
in the water. Well, I don't fucking drink city
water. I understand. Nate and I have talked about
this off air. We don't drink, and here we don't
drink unfiltered water. I put it in a pitcher
that filters stuff out, so I don't know if it
does fluoride or not. No, it doesn't. It doesn't.
I actually looked into it when I lived in Minot
because I had a zero filter. Oh, okay. And the
fluoride molecule is too small. I looked into
it because it concerns about gas leaks into the
water supply. Sure. Because of all the... poor
mineral resources practices of the 1950s in north
dakota they have like some leakage not from modern
fracking but from the og fracking yes they i
mean it's like original it's like any other technology
right like you start off and it's not going to
be as good as well yeah later yeah so fortunately
the area i lived in mostly didn't have those
issues when i did move to like watford city i
mostly drank bottled water because I think their
water supply is probably not safe due to the
fact that they had oil development like 100 fucking
years ago. You know what I mean? Well, Leslie
thanks you. for perpetuating their slave labor
force, but. Right, right, right, right. I know
that like Sarah and I, when we visit her relatives,
we'll bring our own water and drink our water
instead of city water. Yeah. Because it didn't
bother my wife when she lived there. Now she's
lived in Northern Minnesota long enough. To where
the water in the metro bothers her. Yeah. Where
if you're used to it, it doesn't matter. And
now that we have well water, she's used to it.
And she doesn't want to drink city water at all.
Yeah. Discuss her to drink. Like, I can't drink
water from a tap in town either. Even in pop,
it bothers me. Okay, yeah. Well, we have a pitcher
filter, so I almost can't drink. just straight
from our faucet, which is crazy because you've
got people that, you know, people in undeveloped
or underdeveloped nations that would kill to
have the water from tap that we have from tap.
Oh, for sure. But I can't do it, you know. When
I lived in Minot, people would come over to my
place and we'd have water, you know, they'd have
a little glass of water and they'd be like, oh,
this is so good. And I'm like, well, like, what
are you, what's going on? And I'm like, I just
put it in my zero filter. It's totally different.
The water there smells bad. Oh, yeah. It smells
bad. It stains. Not like iron, but a stain. Yeah.
You know, like iron doesn't bother me in the
water. Obviously, I live up north. There's iron
in the water damn near everywhere. Iron in the
water doesn't bother me. Yep. It's like other
stuff that bothers me. The mineral taste doesn't
bother me so much as like the chemical. Yep.
And I can't handle it. Well, good news. Fluoride
is a mineral, so you wouldn't know. Well, there
we go. Anyway. Classic. That's all I got. What
do you think about the cigar, Mike? I believe
I already rated it a two. Okay. That's where
I was going to go to. I don't see your rating.
I'll double check my chart. I think I filled
it out already. All right. It wasn't great. I
was going to give it a two. It was fine. It wasn't.
bad i wouldn't really recommend it if you saw
one but it's not offensive or anything like that
i thought it was you know adequate yeah i think
the waking dream or nightcap are better than
this one for sure oh that waking dream and the
nightcap were significantly better in my opinion
yeah yeah this one is uh i didn't fill it out
it's fine too didn't put it in okay it's fine
it's just it's uh Not as good as the others.
The other two we smoked. We've got a fuck ton
of these, though, so we'll have to see what our
favorite is. We have a ton of them. We'll spread
them out. I can tell you that the listener, if
you see the Tatianas, it's a go. Yeah. If they're
cheap. They're just cheap cigars with a pipe
filler. I did get, in the last inch, I got the
snuff. coming out the end and i just kind of
clipped the end really short and then made sure
that i didn't put my mouth on the end of the
cigar to try to like keep all that together yeah
and that seemed to work maybe like a pinhole
would be a better idea for them you know i don't
know what to try or maybe like a uh because i
got my my cigar cutter i usually v -cut now nowadays
not season one or two for sure, but nowadays
I do, but I've got the little punch and maybe
the little punch thing would be better than like
a V cut. Yeah. I V cut it, but I like just, I
like literally looked at it and just got the
little slice. Yeah. Like the smallest, almost
like a pocket knife might even be like a slit
or a cross in it. Yeah. Okay. Let's try it. We'll
try it. We'll have to try it next time. Next
time we do Italianas. But so far I wouldn't dissuade
you from any of these. For the price point. For
the price point. This one's been my least favorite
of the three so far, but it kind of depends on
personal taste and personal preference, I suppose.
For sure. So, yeah, now we've talked about fluoride.
Nate, you know, he says take fluoride directly
and inject it into your baby's spine. Yeah, yeah.
That's what his position is. Steal all your baby's
stem cells and replace it with fluoride cells.
And if you haven't done that as a baby, you should
go to your local underpass and have one of the
homeless people inject you straight into the
vein with fluoride. Thank you for listening.
Was that too much? That was too much. That was
too much. I don't know. I don't know. Make up
your own decision about fluoride. I don't think
it's as nefarious as some media outlets would
lead you to believe, but it might not also be
as safe as other media outlets would lead you
to believe. So fluoride, I figured out. Anyway,
thanks for listening. Be safe. Have fun.