WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.600 I want to talk about the communist plot to steal 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:06.259 Americans' essence. That's right, we're talking 00:00:06.259 --> 00:00:13.099 fluoride. Welcome to Nice Ashes. Join hosts Mike 00:00:13.099 --> 00:00:18.379 and Nate for cigars and culture. Let's go beyond 00:00:18.379 --> 00:00:26.780 the smoke. What are we smoking, Mike? We are 00:00:26.780 --> 00:00:32.259 smoking. The Tatiana Vanilla. Yes. Smells lovely. 00:00:32.380 --> 00:00:35.380 The cap tasted lovely. Dude. I'm looking forward 00:00:35.380 --> 00:00:39.380 to it. So good. Of course, the big, what? The 00:00:39.380 --> 00:00:42.659 big issue or the big thing in everybody's mind 00:00:42.659 --> 00:00:45.799 is the moon trance. What about the moon trance? 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:50.140 I'm not expecting moon trance quality, but maybe 00:00:50.140 --> 00:00:52.719 I'll be surprised. If last episode was anything 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:56.020 to judge by. We don't judge it by its cover or 00:00:56.020 --> 00:00:59.060 case or label. Yeah, very, very, very sweet. 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:01.359 I think a lot sweeter than a Moon Trance even. 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:05.859 There's a secondary flavor I'm picking up, but 00:01:05.859 --> 00:01:08.280 again, I don't have a really good palate, which 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:10.579 is why I don't live in California wine country. 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:14.680 But not entirely pleasant, but the sweet vanilla 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:16.599 is pleasant, but there's some other kind of thing 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:19.019 going on here at the very beginning. Yeah, there's 00:01:19.019 --> 00:01:20.540 something off about it. I thought maybe it was 00:01:20.540 --> 00:01:23.180 the match. Because it's a little woody, maybe? 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:26.260 Yeah, I use a lighter, but there's something 00:01:26.260 --> 00:01:28.140 a little off. But could just be the first few 00:01:28.140 --> 00:01:30.359 puffs. We'll find out, won't we? Yes, we will. 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:33.540 Yes. What are we drinking today, Nate? Ah, I'm 00:01:33.540 --> 00:01:37.180 glad you asked. I'm drinking a Lagunitas Maximus 00:01:37.180 --> 00:01:41.200 Colossal IPA, which is, you know, I think a 9 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:44.700 % behemoth of an IPA. Quite tasty. We'll see 00:01:44.700 --> 00:01:46.560 how far I make it in this episode before it's 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:51.359 just innate babble. I'm mixing it up. Doing a 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:53.739 big switch. Ooh, boy, what is it? We are drinking 00:01:53.739 --> 00:01:57.700 the Guinness draft stout. Holy shit. Didn't see 00:01:57.700 --> 00:02:00.340 that one coming. Yeah, it wasn't water. It wasn't 00:02:00.340 --> 00:02:03.500 water. And it wasn't tea or coffee. It's Guinness 00:02:03.500 --> 00:02:06.140 draft stout. Damn, Mike is serious this episode. 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:08.080 Everybody watch out. When he does drink, it's 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:10.219 not usually Guinness. So I don't know what's 00:02:10.219 --> 00:02:12.099 going on in his life, his personal life, professional 00:02:12.099 --> 00:02:14.639 life, what have you. But Mike needs unwind, and 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:17.180 it's right now, this episode. That's right. Guinness 00:02:17.180 --> 00:02:20.099 is very atypical for the show. Not a standard. 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:24.240 Definitely not a sponsor. But they could be. 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:26.180 They could be. Why don't you reach out to them, 00:02:26.180 --> 00:02:28.680 Mike? Yeah, yeah. Hey, you want to sponsor this 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:30.939 podcast with one listener who was also a guest? 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:35.120 Yes, yes, yes. A guest soon. Coming up, perhaps. 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:38.159 Don't want to spoil any surprises for this season. 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:41.020 But all it takes to make it worth it is the one 00:02:41.020 --> 00:02:43.460 listener. So thank you, Keith. Thank you. Thank 00:02:43.460 --> 00:02:45.900 you. So, what are we talking about today, Nate? 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:49.139 Ooh, well, you hit us last episode with something 00:02:49.139 --> 00:02:52.840 that was timely and pertinent, and I'm going 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:55.419 to try and do the same. I want to talk about 00:02:55.419 --> 00:02:58.580 the communist plot to steal Americans' essence. 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.300 That's right, we're talking fluoride. Oh my god, 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:05.159 fucking fluoride. It is in the news right now, 00:03:05.219 --> 00:03:07.599 isn't it? Isn't it, though? Alright, I did a 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:09.120 lot more research on fluoride than I thought 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:11.500 possible, but here we go. So the recent stuff 00:03:11.500 --> 00:03:14.180 here, the beginning of April, RFK Jr., everybody's 00:03:14.180 --> 00:03:16.800 favorite, what's he the head of now? Department 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:18.960 of Health. All of health in America. Yeah. He's 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:21.800 trying to push the CDC to stop recommending fluoride. 00:03:21.939 --> 00:03:24.180 The important thing to note here, though, is 00:03:24.180 --> 00:03:26.500 that he can't really prevent communities from 00:03:26.500 --> 00:03:31.379 changing their recommendations because fluoride 00:03:31.379 --> 00:03:35.000 in the water supply is on community or per community 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.069 basis. But he can change the CDC recommendations 00:03:38.069 --> 00:03:40.789 and he can work with the EPA to change the recommended 00:03:40.789 --> 00:03:44.349 dosage or amount of it. Even more recently and 00:03:44.349 --> 00:03:48.689 more kind of impactful news, March 27th, the 00:03:48.689 --> 00:03:51.719 Utah Governor Spencer J. Cox. signed a bill into 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:54.020 law making the state the first in the United 00:03:54.020 --> 00:03:56.219 States to ban fluoride in public water systems. 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:58.520 The law prohibits any person or government entity 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:00.460 from adding the mineral to the state's water 00:04:00.460 --> 00:04:03.539 systems, but does allow for pharmacists to prescribe 00:04:03.539 --> 00:04:06.759 fluoride supplements to individuals. So those 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:08.439 are kind of the recent headlines and I thought 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:11.639 let's dive into kind of the history of fluoride 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:14.879 because it's one of those things where it's been 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:17.759 in The media, it's been in the news, it's been 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:20.300 in pop culture, it's been a lot of places. So 00:04:20.300 --> 00:04:23.000 let's figure out... What the fuck is fluoride? 00:04:23.100 --> 00:04:26.300 I think it's communist mind control. That's what 00:04:26.300 --> 00:04:29.579 Alex Jones told me. Well, he might not be wrong. 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:31.660 We have to listen to the rest of the episode 00:04:31.660 --> 00:04:34.199 to find out, don't we? Communist mind control. 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:37.240 And everybody knows how anti -communist I am. 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:40.000 And that was not a joke. That might be the only 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:42.040 thing I say this episode that is not a joke. 00:04:45.220 --> 00:04:47.300 All right. So the first section I've got here. 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:50.500 Why is fluoride in the water? Is it turning frogs 00:04:50.500 --> 00:04:54.660 gay? I know why they say. I know why they say. 00:04:54.939 --> 00:04:59.439 Yes. So fluoride is added to the water to help 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:02.980 prevent tooth decay. Surprise, surprise. There's 00:05:02.980 --> 00:05:05.240 five reasons communities will add fluoride to 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:07.699 their water supply. One is that it prevents... 00:05:07.930 --> 00:05:10.069 tooth decay. So it's the most efficient way to 00:05:10.069 --> 00:05:12.110 prevent cavities, one of the most common childhood 00:05:12.110 --> 00:05:15.629 diseases. An estimated 51 million schools and 00:05:15.629 --> 00:05:18.490 164 million work hours are lost each year due 00:05:18.490 --> 00:05:21.290 to dental -related illness. So, I mean, that's 00:05:21.290 --> 00:05:24.810 not a small amount. Community water fluoridation 00:05:24.810 --> 00:05:27.149 is so effective at preventing tooth decay that 00:05:27.149 --> 00:05:29.949 the CDC named it one of the 10 great public health 00:05:29.949 --> 00:05:32.069 achievements of the 20th century. And we're going 00:05:32.069 --> 00:05:33.930 to get into some of this stuff in more detail 00:05:33.930 --> 00:05:35.850 later. I've got tons of pages of notes here. 00:05:36.269 --> 00:05:38.209 I hope we can get through all of it. Number two 00:05:38.209 --> 00:05:40.350 is it protects all ages against cavities. Studies 00:05:40.350 --> 00:05:42.509 show that fluoride and community water systems 00:05:42.509 --> 00:05:44.730 prevent at least 25 % of tooth decay in children 00:05:44.730 --> 00:05:47.399 and adults. even with widespread public access 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:49.779 to fluoride from other sources, such as fluoride 00:05:49.779 --> 00:05:51.819 toothpaste. Number three, it's safe and effective. 00:05:51.980 --> 00:05:54.220 For more than 75 years, the best scientific evidence 00:05:54.220 --> 00:05:57.759 has consistently shown that fluoridation is safe 00:05:57.759 --> 00:05:59.740 and effective. It's been endorsed by numerous 00:05:59.740 --> 00:06:02.699 U .S. surgeon generals, and more than 100 health 00:06:02.699 --> 00:06:05.459 organizations have joined the ADA in recognizing 00:06:05.459 --> 00:06:07.500 the health benefits of water fluoridation for 00:06:07.500 --> 00:06:10.759 preventing tooth decay, including the CDC and 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:12.579 the American Medical Association, the World Health 00:06:12.579 --> 00:06:15.470 Organization, and the American Academy. of pediatrics. 00:06:15.569 --> 00:06:17.649 Number four is it saves money. The average lifetime 00:06:17.649 --> 00:06:20.269 cost per person to fluoridate a water supply 00:06:20.269 --> 00:06:23.310 is less than the cost of just one dental filling. 00:06:23.470 --> 00:06:27.329 For most municipalities, every $1 invested in 00:06:27.329 --> 00:06:30.069 water fluoridation saves $38 in dental treatment 00:06:30.069 --> 00:06:33.529 costs. And the last one is, it's natural. Fluoride 00:06:33.529 --> 00:06:35.730 is naturally present in groundwater and the oceans. 00:06:35.910 --> 00:06:38.889 Water fluoridation is the adjustment of fluoride 00:06:38.889 --> 00:06:42.430 to a recommended level for preventing tooth decay. 00:06:42.649 --> 00:06:45.050 It's similar to fortifying other foods and beverages. 00:06:45.089 --> 00:06:47.810 For example, fortifying salt with iodine. You 00:06:47.810 --> 00:06:49.970 know, you get the iodized table salt. Milk with 00:06:49.970 --> 00:06:52.790 vitamin D, orange juice with calcium, and bread 00:06:52.790 --> 00:06:55.110 with folic acid. Sounds like a bunch of hippie 00:06:55.110 --> 00:06:57.629 gobbledygook to me because I still have all my 00:06:57.629 --> 00:07:00.459 teeth and I grew up on well water. And surely 00:07:00.459 --> 00:07:03.220 if I did a test, there'd be zero fluoride in 00:07:03.220 --> 00:07:07.319 my well. I have no doubt, no doubt there'd be 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:09.920 no fluoride in my well. Well, you know what, 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:11.879 Mike? What kind of toothpaste do you use, bud? 00:07:12.060 --> 00:07:16.600 Oh, well, I buy the fluoride -free Colgate Total 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:19.939 Ultra or Crest Total Ultra or whatever the brand 00:07:19.939 --> 00:07:22.019 is that's cheapest at Costco that is the Total 00:07:22.019 --> 00:07:25.459 Ultra kind. Okay. That may or may not have fluoride. 00:07:25.459 --> 00:07:26.500 You don't know for sure. Well, it definitely 00:07:26.500 --> 00:07:29.800 does not say fluoride on that product list. Well, 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:32.939 why would they? It's probably standard now. Fluoride. 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:36.170 Right. So to be serious. But second serious statement. 00:07:36.290 --> 00:07:38.670 My understanding of fluoride is that topically 00:07:38.670 --> 00:07:41.069 applied to your teeth, it does in fact absorb 00:07:41.069 --> 00:07:44.129 and prevent cavities. And when I was a child, 00:07:44.170 --> 00:07:47.069 they did issue me fluoride pills. That was going 00:07:47.069 --> 00:07:49.029 to be my next question. I remember. Chew up. 00:07:49.209 --> 00:07:52.509 Yep. And my dentist said to chew it up and to 00:07:52.509 --> 00:07:55.029 swish it around my mouth like a mouthwash and 00:07:55.029 --> 00:07:58.589 to spit it out. After like 30 seconds. Okay. 00:07:58.589 --> 00:08:00.910 So he did not recommend swallowing the fluoride 00:08:00.910 --> 00:08:03.250 pill. It was like a soft chewable and you chew 00:08:03.250 --> 00:08:05.350 it up and you'd like soak your teeth in it and 00:08:05.350 --> 00:08:07.730 then spit it out similar to a mouthwash. Okay. 00:08:07.790 --> 00:08:09.730 Yeah. I had the fluoride pills too because we 00:08:09.730 --> 00:08:12.750 had well water when I was growing up and they 00:08:12.750 --> 00:08:14.810 were little pink pills and you chewed them up. 00:08:15.129 --> 00:08:18.029 And I don't remember if we, if we spit them out 00:08:18.029 --> 00:08:20.069 or if we swallowed them. I don't know. Oh, I 00:08:20.069 --> 00:08:22.230 remember, but we're going to get into it later. 00:08:22.250 --> 00:08:24.250 I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to get into 00:08:24.250 --> 00:08:27.319 a lot of this stuff. did not tell me to swallow 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:30.660 it. There's a reason. So I'm sure that it's going 00:08:30.660 --> 00:08:32.600 to come up. You know what? It's going to come 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:36.860 up. It's going to come up. I'm trying to set 00:08:36.860 --> 00:08:38.820 the playing field so that when we get into some 00:08:38.820 --> 00:08:40.879 of the stuff, we can really get into it. Absolutely. 00:08:41.139 --> 00:08:43.480 All right. So there's a minority scientific view. 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:45.919 But of course, you know, in Germany, there's 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:48.679 a minority opinion that maybe the Jews should 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:52.399 not be exterminated. Spicy. Yes. Also, we did 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:55.649 put out our very first spice rack. on our Patreon, 00:08:55.950 --> 00:08:59.909 which is incredibly spicy. So if you're not a 00:08:59.909 --> 00:09:02.230 backer, you should check it out. We had, it was 00:09:02.230 --> 00:09:05.129 funny, we had our only, our one listener's wife, 00:09:05.309 --> 00:09:07.889 she did the intro voice for us for our Spice 00:09:07.889 --> 00:09:10.629 Track series that I'm sure will continue because 00:09:10.629 --> 00:09:13.450 Mike and I are a little spicy. We're mouthy potty 00:09:13.450 --> 00:09:15.389 boys or whatever. Potty bald. Yeah, something 00:09:15.389 --> 00:09:17.409 like that. Potty bald individuals. Yes, yes, 00:09:17.470 --> 00:09:22.440 yes. If our mothers are equal in height and weight, 00:09:22.620 --> 00:09:27.000 we'd still have soap in our mouths. All right, 00:09:27.019 --> 00:09:29.340 so the minority scientific view is there are 00:09:29.340 --> 00:09:31.740 scientists and doctors that oppose water fluoridation, 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:34.580 and they argue that it has little to no benefits 00:09:34.580 --> 00:09:37.399 and may cause some serious health problems, and 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:39.399 it's not effective enough to justify the costs, 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:43.620 and it is pharmacologically obsolete. Interesting. 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:47.419 I also knew that. Okay. Yes. Yes. And I did, 00:09:47.419 --> 00:09:50.620 I did look, I did find in my searching, I found 00:09:50.620 --> 00:09:52.759 several, you know, hometown dentist websites 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:55.799 who had sections on fluoride. And my favorite 00:09:55.799 --> 00:09:58.940 one was, well, anything in excess is deadly, 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:01.460 even oxygen. And he said that like three times. 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:04.379 Sound reasoning. Yes. He said that three times 00:10:04.379 --> 00:10:07.460 in his little, like, why fluoride is safe section. 00:10:07.620 --> 00:10:11.179 So I was like, hmm, buddy. No. But I also did 00:10:11.179 --> 00:10:14.429 hear that, you know, oxygenation. is what caused 00:10:14.429 --> 00:10:17.690 this rust. And somebody posited that the only 00:10:17.690 --> 00:10:21.370 reason we die is oxygenation of our system. But 00:10:21.370 --> 00:10:23.750 it takes us, you know, 70, 80 years for it to 00:10:23.750 --> 00:10:26.389 kill us. That's an interesting theory. Yeah. 00:10:26.490 --> 00:10:28.490 Yeah. I'm not saying it's true. I'm just saying, 00:10:28.629 --> 00:10:30.149 you know, like if we're going to be talking about 00:10:30.149 --> 00:10:31.950 some of this kind of stuff, some of it's a little 00:10:31.950 --> 00:10:34.730 morbid, some of it's a little like, well, is 00:10:34.730 --> 00:10:37.149 he wrong or is he not wrong? Am I wrong, Donnie? 00:10:37.230 --> 00:10:39.769 I don't know enough to refute that. Especially 00:10:39.769 --> 00:10:42.230 since I have seen scientific studies about the 00:10:42.230 --> 00:10:45.870 aging cells. And scientists have maybe isolated 00:10:45.870 --> 00:10:49.190 some aging cells that might not need to exist. 00:10:49.370 --> 00:10:51.509 I don't know. But at what point are you just 00:10:51.509 --> 00:10:53.269 fucking with the natural order? I don't know. 00:10:53.509 --> 00:10:55.929 Fluoride in the water is totally natural. Also, 00:10:56.029 --> 00:10:58.850 having a massive water system in a city that 00:10:58.850 --> 00:11:01.669 cleans water so everybody can have fresh, drinkable 00:11:01.669 --> 00:11:03.950 water in their homes. Completely natural. Obviously, 00:11:04.070 --> 00:11:06.570 Stone Age people had that. Well, the Stone Age 00:11:06.570 --> 00:11:08.809 people have all their teeth, Mike. Are they getting 00:11:08.809 --> 00:11:11.370 the good blowjobs? I don't know. You tell me. 00:11:11.909 --> 00:11:15.250 I was going to say, the Stone Age people that 00:11:15.250 --> 00:11:18.929 had fluoridated processed water certainly had 00:11:18.929 --> 00:11:20.769 all their teeth. Yeah, they had all the shiny 00:11:20.769 --> 00:11:23.750 pearly whites, and they were the rage of the 00:11:23.750 --> 00:11:26.690 village. Okay, so fluoride can be naturally present 00:11:26.690 --> 00:11:28.950 in water, but it can also be naturally present 00:11:28.950 --> 00:11:30.909 in water at concentrations well above the recommended 00:11:30.909 --> 00:11:34.080 levels. which can have several long -term adverse 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.460 effects. So this is part of, you know, the doctor 00:11:36.460 --> 00:11:39.759 saying anything in extreme can be dangerous. 00:11:40.059 --> 00:11:42.379 Well, yeah, if I eat enough tacos, I might die. 00:11:42.500 --> 00:11:44.399 But I'm going to find out what the limit is, 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:46.259 and then the rest of you know. So you can have 00:11:46.259 --> 00:11:50.179 severe dental fluorosis, skeletal fluorosis, 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:53.600 and weakened bones. In 1984, the World Health 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:56.299 Organization recommended a guideline maximum 00:11:56.299 --> 00:11:59.460 fluoride value of 1 .5 milligrams per liter. 00:11:59.820 --> 00:12:02.139 is a level at which fluorosis should be minimal, 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:06.759 reaffirming it in 2006. So 22 years later, they 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:09.840 still stand by their 1 .5 milligrams per liter, 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:12.320 where fluorosis should be minimal. And I think 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:13.960 part of the thing that's going to kind of come 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:16.440 back is the individual is the individual, and 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:18.240 not every individual is the same as every other 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:21.179 individual, right? Crazy concept, I know. But 00:12:21.179 --> 00:12:23.340 bear with us. Fluoridation has little effect 00:12:23.340 --> 00:12:26.139 on the risk of bone fracture. It may result in 00:12:26.139 --> 00:12:28.820 slightly lower fracture risk than either excessively 00:12:28.820 --> 00:12:32.480 high levels of fluoridation or no fluoridation. 00:12:32.620 --> 00:12:34.919 And there's no clear association between fluoridation 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:37.759 and cancer or deaths due to cancer, both for 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:40.360 cancer in general and specifically for bone cancer 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:44.320 and osteosarcoma, whatever that may be. I'm not 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:47.740 a doctor, so please do your own research on fluoridation. 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:50.279 In rare cases, improper implementation of water 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:52.840 fluoridation can result in overfluoridation. 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:55.679 That causes outbreaks of acute fluoride poisoning, 00:12:56.019 --> 00:12:58.679 symptoms that include nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. 00:12:59.059 --> 00:13:01.240 Three such outbreaks were actually reported in 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:04.340 the United States between 1991 and 1998, caused 00:13:04.340 --> 00:13:07.559 by fluoride concentrations as high as 220 milligrams 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:09.860 per liter. So that's quite a bit higher than 00:13:09.860 --> 00:13:13.559 the 1 .5 milligrams per liter. That's a lot higher. 00:13:13.620 --> 00:13:17.440 Yeah, it is crazy high. And there was a 1992 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:20.679 Alaska outbreak. 262 people became ill and one 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:23.779 person died. And in 2010, approximately 60 gallons 00:13:23.779 --> 00:13:25.639 of fluoride were released into the water supply 00:13:25.639 --> 00:13:29.139 in North Carolina in 90 minutes, an amount that 00:13:29.139 --> 00:13:31.379 was intended to be released in a 24 -hour period. 00:13:31.539 --> 00:13:34.980 So, of course, it depends on competent people, 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:37.460 right? Somebody got fired. I'm sure. Like other 00:13:37.460 --> 00:13:42.100 common water additives such as chlorine, hydrofluorosilic 00:13:42.100 --> 00:13:47.000 acid and sodium silicofluoride decrease pH and 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:50.539 cause a small increase in corrosivity, so corrosiveness. 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:53.139 But the problem is easily addressed by increasing 00:13:53.139 --> 00:13:58.120 the pH. So it's been hypothesized that hydrofluorosilic 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:01.200 acid and sodium silocofluoride might increase 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:04.419 human lead uptake in water. There was a 2006 00:14:04.419 --> 00:14:07.700 statistical analysis that didn't support those 00:14:07.700 --> 00:14:11.240 concerns and that these chemicals, they didn't 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.139 support the concerns that these chemicals cause 00:14:13.139 --> 00:14:16.340 higher blood lead concentrations in children. 00:14:16.779 --> 00:14:19.100 Trace levels of arsenic and lead may be present 00:14:19.100 --> 00:14:21.279 in fluoride compounds added to water, but the 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:22.919 concentrations are below measurement limits. 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:26.269 So again, I don't know. If it's a microscopic 00:14:26.269 --> 00:14:28.909 thing that can't be measured, is it there? What 00:14:28.909 --> 00:14:31.789 is it, the ship of Theseus, if it's rebuilt in 00:14:31.789 --> 00:14:33.929 its entirety, is it still the same ship or is 00:14:33.929 --> 00:14:35.389 it a different ship? I don't know. One of the 00:14:35.389 --> 00:14:37.129 great philosophical questions of life. Sure. 00:14:37.269 --> 00:14:39.169 The effect of water fluoridation on the natural 00:14:39.169 --> 00:14:41.549 environment has been investigated and no adverse 00:14:41.549 --> 00:14:43.570 effects have been established. It's a naturally 00:14:43.570 --> 00:14:46.669 occurring mineral. HCU studies have included 00:14:46.669 --> 00:14:49.009 fluoride concentrations in groundwater and downstream 00:14:49.009 --> 00:14:51.490 rivers, lawns, gardens, and plants. Conceptions 00:14:51.490 --> 00:14:53.970 of plants grown in fluoridated water, air emissions, 00:14:54.149 --> 00:14:56.649 and equipment. noise. So there's quite a bit 00:14:56.649 --> 00:14:58.929 of studies out there on it in terms of safety. 00:14:59.070 --> 00:15:01.009 Now, that's to say that we're not going to get 00:15:01.009 --> 00:15:04.129 into some shit later because we're going to get 00:15:04.129 --> 00:15:06.450 into some shit later. But I think more of those 00:15:06.450 --> 00:15:09.549 are going to be ethical and less kind of actual 00:15:09.549 --> 00:15:11.649 safety. Anything you want to add, Mike? Nope. 00:15:11.730 --> 00:15:14.549 Nope. Background information is good. Yes. So 00:15:14.549 --> 00:15:16.950 let's, speaking of background information, great 00:15:16.950 --> 00:15:21.570 segue, Mike. Let's go back to where humans discovered 00:15:21.570 --> 00:15:24.720 fluoride might actually be. a good thing for 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:27.740 teeth. It began with observations of Colorado 00:15:27.740 --> 00:15:31.580 brown stain in the early 1900s, where residents 00:15:31.580 --> 00:15:35.240 with stained teeth also had fewer cavities. So 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:37.299 Frederick McKay, he's a dentist in Colorado, 00:15:37.580 --> 00:15:39.899 investigated this phenomenon, and he eventually 00:15:39.899 --> 00:15:43.419 linked the staining and reduced decay to naturally 00:15:43.419 --> 00:15:46.220 occurring fluoride in the water supply, and that 00:15:46.220 --> 00:15:48.000 led to the development of water fluoridation, 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:51.750 which began in Grand Rapids, Michigan, in 1945, 00:15:52.169 --> 00:15:54.570 and has since been widely adopted as a public 00:15:54.570 --> 00:15:56.610 health measure to prevent cavities. I thought 00:15:56.610 --> 00:15:59.230 for sure you were going to say that brown staining 00:15:59.230 --> 00:16:01.629 associated with Guinness and cigars prevented 00:16:01.629 --> 00:16:03.830 cavities. Well, it's coffee for sure, Mike. It's 00:16:03.830 --> 00:16:06.309 coffee for sure. It has nothing to do with Guinness 00:16:06.309 --> 00:16:08.309 or cigars. We're safe. We're safe. All right, 00:16:08.309 --> 00:16:11.110 so in the early 1900s, Dr. Frederick McKay noted 00:16:11.110 --> 00:16:12.850 a high prevalence of brown stains on teeth in 00:16:12.850 --> 00:16:15.159 Colorado, dubbed the Colorado brown stain. And 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:17.980 he collaborated with Dr. G .V. Black to investigate 00:16:17.980 --> 00:16:19.779 the cause of the stain, discovering it was associated 00:16:19.779 --> 00:16:21.759 with the high fluoride levels in the local water 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:24.139 supply. McKay also observed that individuals 00:16:24.139 --> 00:16:26.059 with the Colorado brown stain had remarkably 00:16:26.059 --> 00:16:29.159 fewer cavities. And I think at this time, cavities 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.019 were probably one of the biggest things dentists 00:16:32.019 --> 00:16:34.879 would see. I have to imagine. I mean, think of 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:37.399 all the British people still to this day and 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:39.700 the quality of their teeth compared to, like, 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:43.090 American teeth. Well, sure. Yeah, I mean, a lot 00:16:43.090 --> 00:16:45.909 of sugar in the diet available and not a lot 00:16:45.909 --> 00:16:50.070 of tooth cleaning, I'm sure. Yeah. In 1945, Grand 00:16:50.070 --> 00:16:52.610 Rapids, Michigan became the first city to fluoridate 00:16:52.610 --> 00:16:54.929 its drinking water, adding fluoride to achieve 00:16:54.929 --> 00:16:58.230 a target level of one part per million. A 15 00:16:58.230 --> 00:17:00.250 -year study tracked tooth decay rates among Grand 00:17:00.250 --> 00:17:03.110 Rapids school children, demonstrating a significant 00:17:03.110 --> 00:17:05.369 reduction in cavities compared to a control group. 00:17:05.569 --> 00:17:07.630 And when they say significant reduction, what 00:17:07.630 --> 00:17:10.500 do you think that percentage is, Mike? 15%. It's 00:17:10.500 --> 00:17:15.759 over 60%. Over 60%. Wow. So, you know, and I'm 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:17.759 not, I don't know exactly where I fall on this. 00:17:17.779 --> 00:17:19.420 Maybe we'll get into this at the end of the episode. 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:22.259 I'm not exactly sure where I fall on this water 00:17:22.259 --> 00:17:24.680 fluoridation thing. But when you tell me you 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:28.680 can reduce cavities over 60 % compared to a group 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:30.980 that doesn't have access to fluoride, I mean, 00:17:30.980 --> 00:17:33.880 that's huge. That's huge. I agree. Yeah, that's... 00:17:34.250 --> 00:17:37.609 That's impressive, if the data is not manipulated 00:17:37.609 --> 00:17:41.069 and is accurate. Sure. So based on the successful 00:17:41.069 --> 00:17:43.490 Grand Rapids study, other cities began adding 00:17:43.490 --> 00:17:45.470 fluoride to their water supplies, and the practice 00:17:45.470 --> 00:17:47.529 became a widespread public health intervention. 00:17:47.809 --> 00:17:51.289 By 1960, water fluoridation reached about 50 00:17:51.289 --> 00:17:54.769 million Americans. The CDC, Center for Disease 00:17:54.769 --> 00:17:57.769 Control, and prevention, now cites water fluoridation 00:17:57.769 --> 00:17:59.950 as one of the 20th century's greatest public 00:17:59.950 --> 00:18:02.190 health achievements, which, depending on how 00:18:02.190 --> 00:18:04.430 you feel about institutions and things of that 00:18:04.430 --> 00:18:06.829 nature, may not mean anything to you. As per 00:18:06.829 --> 00:18:08.890 our last episode, think for yourself and down 00:18:08.890 --> 00:18:11.130 with the man. But beyond that, fluoride has also 00:18:11.130 --> 00:18:13.750 been used in toothpaste since the 1940s, and 00:18:13.750 --> 00:18:15.470 fluoride supplements have been prescribed for 00:18:15.470 --> 00:18:17.769 infants and children at low doses. So I know 00:18:17.769 --> 00:18:20.789 that one of our big concerns in our household 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:23.099 with two young children is, you know, getting 00:18:23.099 --> 00:18:27.420 the child toothpaste, where adults, when you 00:18:27.420 --> 00:18:30.380 brush your teeth, you don't swallow the toothpaste, 00:18:30.460 --> 00:18:32.480 you spit it out, and kids don't really know how 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:34.980 to spit things out. So all of our child toothpaste 00:18:34.980 --> 00:18:38.960 has zero fluoride, but it's not intended. Fluoride 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:40.720 shouldn't be ingested, to Mike's point earlier 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:42.619 in the episode, where he said his dentist told 00:18:42.619 --> 00:18:44.240 him not to swallow it. And that's why they put 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:46.740 it in the water for you to ingest. Hey, don't 00:18:46.740 --> 00:18:49.039 be pointing out inconsistencies here, Mike. Don't 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:54.000 be putting out propaganda. You say people might 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:56.200 not like fluoride, Mike. Some people say it's 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:58.059 banned in Europe. People say Europe are ahead 00:18:58.059 --> 00:19:01.099 of Americans. But it's inaccurate to say fluoride's 00:19:01.099 --> 00:19:03.940 banned in Europe. Water fluoridation is not universally 00:19:03.940 --> 00:19:06.160 practiced there, but it's not prohibited in any 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:08.480 European country. And many European nations have 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:10.940 opted for alternative fluoride delivery methods 00:19:10.940 --> 00:19:14.519 like fluoridated salt or milk. Or they simply 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:16.259 have not implemented water fluoridation due to 00:19:16.259 --> 00:19:18.299 various reasons, including practical, logistical, 00:19:18.420 --> 00:19:22.119 and political considerations. It's not a ban 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:24.980 in the sense of you would think of a ban. There's 00:19:24.980 --> 00:19:29.019 not a European Union mandate saying you can't 00:19:29.019 --> 00:19:31.619 fluoridate the water. We're going to talk a little 00:19:31.619 --> 00:19:34.579 bit later about why you might not want to fluoridate 00:19:34.579 --> 00:19:37.650 the water. But basically, these other countries 00:19:37.650 --> 00:19:39.869 just have, they have fluoridated salt. We have 00:19:39.869 --> 00:19:41.869 iodized salt. They have fluoridated salt. They 00:19:41.869 --> 00:19:43.890 have fluoridated milk. So it's not that they're 00:19:43.890 --> 00:19:45.769 not ingesting it. It's not that they're not having 00:19:45.769 --> 00:19:47.289 access to it. It's just they chose a different 00:19:47.289 --> 00:19:49.809 delivery method. That seems totally crazy to 00:19:49.809 --> 00:19:54.559 me, like fluoridated salt and milk. Obviously, 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:57.880 we have vitamin D in our milk, and we have iodine 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:01.019 and table salt. Yeah, but fluoride, that's crazy. 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:03.440 That's right out. That's crazy. Yeah, what the 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:06.180 hell's going on? Canada has milk in bags, so 00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:08.069 I don't know what that's about. But that's not 00:20:08.069 --> 00:20:10.210 this episode. We'll talk about that some other 00:20:10.210 --> 00:20:13.430 time, I'm sure. So Austria, France, and Germany, 00:20:13.470 --> 00:20:16.849 and Switzerland, they all have fluoridated salt, 00:20:17.009 --> 00:20:19.470 which, you know, those are big countries. And 00:20:19.470 --> 00:20:21.730 this method reaches a significant portion of 00:20:21.730 --> 00:20:23.910 the population, and studies show that it reduces 00:20:23.910 --> 00:20:26.150 tooth decay. Some countries have chosen not to 00:20:26.150 --> 00:20:28.269 implement water fluoridation due to a decentralized 00:20:28.269 --> 00:20:30.329 water supply. So if you've got a lot of people 00:20:30.329 --> 00:20:32.730 that have wells, you can't, it doesn't do much 00:20:32.730 --> 00:20:36.269 good. And some of them already have a high natural 00:20:36.269 --> 00:20:39.410 fluoride content in their water. Or sometimes 00:20:39.410 --> 00:20:41.869 it's political opposition. But again, fluoride 00:20:41.869 --> 00:20:44.170 is a naturally occurring mineral. So it's the 00:20:44.170 --> 00:20:47.450 same as, you know, I drill a well on my property 00:20:47.450 --> 00:20:50.470 and I don't have any iron in it. But my neighbor 00:20:50.470 --> 00:20:52.650 has a different water table or different whatever. 00:20:52.869 --> 00:20:56.430 And he's got high iron. So he has to do a water 00:20:56.430 --> 00:20:59.430 softener with the iron thing, right? It's all 00:20:59.430 --> 00:21:02.519 dependent. You can't make a blanket statement 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:04.940 with any of this stuff, really, because every 00:21:04.940 --> 00:21:09.059 well is different. Even here, they just recently, 00:21:09.279 --> 00:21:13.079 a year and a half ago, decided to treat our city 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:16.920 water for hardness. Well, our water is still 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:19.980 hard, and I just put more salt in our softener, 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:22.700 and now it's great again. But I dropped the level 00:21:22.700 --> 00:21:25.359 of the softener down quite a bit from what it 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:27.470 used to be. But even with them treating it to 00:21:27.470 --> 00:21:29.450 where it should be a fine level coming in, you've 00:21:29.450 --> 00:21:31.410 got all these variables, the pipes and the whatever 00:21:31.410 --> 00:21:34.509 and the distance and things like that. So it's 00:21:34.509 --> 00:21:37.150 not a one -size -fits -all. Oh, for sure. And 00:21:37.150 --> 00:21:40.970 my home has a well, obviously. And similar to 00:21:40.970 --> 00:21:43.950 other issues like radon, it's very individual. 00:21:44.730 --> 00:21:46.710 It's unique to where you live, wherever you are. 00:21:46.890 --> 00:21:49.390 Yeah, we had to have a radon mitigation system 00:21:49.390 --> 00:21:52.029 put in our house after we bought it. And it wasn't 00:21:52.029 --> 00:21:53.769 that it was a dangerous level, but it was higher 00:21:53.769 --> 00:21:56.250 than the recommended level. So had to be done. 00:21:56.630 --> 00:21:58.230 We're going to get a little bit into pop culture 00:21:58.230 --> 00:22:01.329 here, Mike. But unfortunately, I don't think 00:22:01.329 --> 00:22:03.869 this is pop culture many of our listeners might 00:22:03.869 --> 00:22:06.450 be familiar with. I'm going to read you a quote 00:22:06.450 --> 00:22:08.410 right here. I want you to tell me where it's 00:22:08.410 --> 00:22:10.849 from. And then I've got a longer, longer exchange. 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:13.940 But here's the quote, Mike. Are you ready? I 00:22:13.940 --> 00:22:18.599 am ready. Floridation is the most monstrously 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:21.660 conceived and dangerous communist plot we have 00:22:21.660 --> 00:22:24.180 ever had to face. Do you know who said that? 00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:26.619 Ronald Reagan. It's a great guess, Mike, but 00:22:26.619 --> 00:22:30.000 it is General Jack D. Ripper from Dr. Strangelove 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:32.779 or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the 00:22:32.779 --> 00:22:35.220 Bomb. Classic movie, by the way. Great movie. 00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:38.339 Oh, it's so good. But this is a movie that's 00:22:38.339 --> 00:22:41.710 an old movie by today's standards. And fluoridation 00:22:41.710 --> 00:22:46.329 is a huge subplot in this film. So the general 00:22:46.329 --> 00:22:48.390 goes on to say, Mandrake, do you realize that 00:22:48.390 --> 00:22:50.750 in addition to fluoridating the water, there 00:22:50.750 --> 00:22:53.349 are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, 00:22:53.609 --> 00:22:57.529 fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream. Ice 00:22:57.529 --> 00:23:00.549 cream, Mandrake. Children's ice cream. And Captain 00:23:00.549 --> 00:23:04.420 Mandrake says, Lord, Jack. And Jack goes, you 00:23:04.420 --> 00:23:07.099 know when fluoridation first began? I know. No, 00:23:07.220 --> 00:23:11.140 I don't, Jack. 1946. 1946, Mandrake. How does 00:23:11.140 --> 00:23:13.259 that coincide with your post -war commie conspiracy, 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:15.799 huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:18.039 substance is introduced to our precious bodily 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:20.180 fluids without the knowledge of the individual. 00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:22.519 Certainly without any choice. That's the way 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:25.279 your hardcore commie works. And of course, Mandrake, 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:29.140 or Jack Ripper, denies any female his essence. 00:23:29.500 --> 00:23:32.799 Oh, Jesus. Where are you at your cigar, Nate? 00:23:33.059 --> 00:23:35.960 About halfway. A little over half, yeah. I figured 00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:37.980 you'd be about halfway because I am three quarters 00:23:37.980 --> 00:23:40.359 of the way done. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:42.700 I'm the one talking this episode and not helping 00:23:42.700 --> 00:23:47.599 my nephew shoot turkeys. Hey, you got to get 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:50.359 her done, man. Man, I'm done. That's not a diss. 00:23:50.579 --> 00:23:52.500 That's not a diss at all. So how do you like 00:23:52.500 --> 00:23:56.039 it? You know what? I'm digging it so far. I like 00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:59.779 it. It's good. I don't have, I cut it very narrow 00:23:59.779 --> 00:24:02.289 at the tip. Like a very narrow tip. And I've 00:24:02.289 --> 00:24:06.589 tried to put my lips farther into the cigar than 00:24:06.589 --> 00:24:10.130 I usually would to limit the amount of stuff 00:24:10.130 --> 00:24:13.130 that comes out. Yeah, these Tatianas do have 00:24:13.130 --> 00:24:15.450 some stuff coming out, don't they? They do. And 00:24:15.450 --> 00:24:17.930 it's fine. I don't think it's as good as the 00:24:17.930 --> 00:24:20.309 other ones. I don't know if it's my prejudice 00:24:20.309 --> 00:24:23.410 against vanilla. Yeah. It's just fine. It's sweet. 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:26.039 It's not particularly flavored, in my opinion. 00:24:26.059 --> 00:24:28.559 It's just sweet. Yeah. Which is sad, because 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:30.839 vanilla is a lovely flavor, and I do like vanilla. 00:24:31.059 --> 00:24:33.839 Vanilla is a lovely flavor and is good. This 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:37.559 one is sweet, a little vanilla -y. It's better 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:41.500 than the CAO Bella vanilla, I feel. Oh, for sure. 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:45.680 But it's nowhere near the Moon Trans, but it's 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:49.740 decent. Right. It's almost like a slightly... 00:24:50.109 --> 00:24:53.809 It's like a La Croix vanilla of the factory sweets, 00:24:54.069 --> 00:24:58.349 factory smoked sweets. Like, I'd almost rather 00:24:58.349 --> 00:25:01.730 smoke a factory smoked sweets, right? If I'm 00:25:01.730 --> 00:25:03.210 being completely honest. I would definitely prefer 00:25:03.210 --> 00:25:06.809 a factory smoked. Yeah. Yeah. But it's not bad. 00:25:06.950 --> 00:25:08.970 It's not bad. It's just, you know, it's a Tatiana. 00:25:09.109 --> 00:25:12.269 They all have kind of the debris in your mouth, 00:25:12.529 --> 00:25:14.490 slightly different flavors, but, you know, sweet. 00:25:14.630 --> 00:25:18.500 So I'm not disliking it. It's just, it's. It's 00:25:18.500 --> 00:25:20.700 not going to go on the regular rotation, I don't 00:25:20.700 --> 00:25:23.460 think. No, no. I'm not writing home about it. 00:25:23.500 --> 00:25:26.539 This is definitely a... Of the... Three we've 00:25:26.539 --> 00:25:28.819 smoked in total. This is the closest to a dud 00:25:28.819 --> 00:25:31.200 we've had. And I'm not impressed. Let's put it 00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:33.519 that way. Not that it's bad. Yeah, it's not a 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:36.119 dud per se. It's just it's not as good as the 00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:38.960 other two. Right. Which is partly why we do these. 00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:41.500 We smoke these ones in these series sometimes. 00:25:41.900 --> 00:25:43.640 And sometimes they're back to back to back to 00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:45.180 back. And sometimes they're spread out a little 00:25:45.180 --> 00:25:48.640 bit. Because as with a lot of the CAO series 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:50.420 we've done in the past and some of the other 00:25:50.420 --> 00:25:52.819 series we've done in the past, they're not all 00:25:52.819 --> 00:25:55.150 made the same. Well, full disclosure to the listeners, 00:25:55.289 --> 00:25:58.730 I bought a case, well, two cases of these cigars. 00:25:58.970 --> 00:26:03.190 So we have a bunch to try. We do. We do. So we're 00:26:03.190 --> 00:26:05.970 going to spread them out, obviously. Yeah. Well, 00:26:06.150 --> 00:26:08.269 and I'm less apprehensive now, having smoked 00:26:08.269 --> 00:26:10.890 three of them, than I was when you initially 00:26:10.890 --> 00:26:15.789 said, we're in for a ride. Here you go. So I'm 00:26:15.789 --> 00:26:18.230 less apprehensive, for sure, because they've 00:26:18.230 --> 00:26:21.210 all been enjoyable. Differing levels, for sure. 00:26:21.410 --> 00:26:24.910 Okay. Fluoride. Yes, fluoride. I've got a couple 00:26:24.910 --> 00:26:27.569 scientific articles that I found. This one's 00:26:27.569 --> 00:26:29.190 called The Fluoride Debate, The Pros and Cons 00:26:29.190 --> 00:26:31.710 of Fluoridation. And they've got a pro and con 00:26:31.710 --> 00:26:36.190 here. The pros are dental prevention. Fluoride 00:26:36.190 --> 00:26:38.289 has been shown to reduce the incidence of dental 00:26:38.289 --> 00:26:40.450 cavities and slow or reverse the progression 00:26:40.450 --> 00:26:44.539 of existing... I guess. Public health achievement, 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.059 water fluoridation has been recognized as a significant 00:26:47.059 --> 00:26:50.279 public health success. And in addition to water 00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:52.019 fluoride, fluoride can be delivered through other 00:26:52.019 --> 00:26:54.279 means such as milk, salt, toothpaste, and mouth 00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:56.700 rinses, providing flexibility in public health 00:26:56.700 --> 00:26:59.559 strategies. The cons are excessive fluoride intake 00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:01.980 can lead to dental fluorosis, a condition that 00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:03.859 affects the appearance of teeth, and in severe 00:27:03.859 --> 00:27:07.039 cases, skeletal fluorosis, which impacts bones 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:09.759 and joints. Variability in water fluoride levels, 00:27:09.940 --> 00:27:12.240 so natural fluoride concentrations in water vary, 00:27:12.380 --> 00:27:14.740 making it challenging to control total fluoride 00:27:14.740 --> 00:27:17.400 intake, especially when combined with other sources 00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:19.460 like food and dental products. So if you have 00:27:19.460 --> 00:27:22.200 fluoridated water and you use a fluoridated toothpaste, 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:24.980 and let's say you also have, you know, fluoridated 00:27:24.980 --> 00:27:28.039 salt or milk or Lord knows what else, a fluoridated 00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:31.240 condom, great on campuses, right? Oh, Jesus. 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:33.079 I don't think the girls do that anymore. Yeah, 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:35.539 maybe not. Maybe not. But does it have to be 00:27:35.539 --> 00:27:37.299 taken orally or does it have to be in the system 00:27:37.299 --> 00:27:39.700 some way? I don't know. But basically, it makes 00:27:39.700 --> 00:27:43.799 it hard to target that World Health Organization 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:47.599 level, right, if you have other sources of fluoride. 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:49.960 If it's just water fluoride, they have a specific 00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:51.640 level. But if you're also getting it somewhere 00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:53.940 else. you might end up with too much. There's 00:27:53.940 --> 00:27:55.880 another scientific article called Impacts of 00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:59.259 Fluoride, Neurotoxicity, and Mitochondrial Dysfunction 00:27:59.259 --> 00:28:02.119 on Cognition and Mental Health. Now, this one's 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:05.480 fairly interesting because one of the things 00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:08.579 is there's been studies on the fetus, basically. 00:28:08.819 --> 00:28:11.160 And if the fetus has access to fluoride, it gets 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:13.640 a little interesting. So you've got prenatal 00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:17.220 and perinatal exposure. So studies suggest that 00:28:17.220 --> 00:28:20.079 exposure to fluoride during prenatal and perinatal 00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:24.190 periods may have neurotoxic effects. Observed 00:28:24.190 --> 00:28:26.650 outcomes include physical changes in animals, 00:28:26.829 --> 00:28:29.529 such as fur loss and delayed reflex development, 00:28:29.950 --> 00:28:33.130 reduced intelligence, increased hyperactivity, 00:28:33.190 --> 00:28:36.430 and mood irregularities. If it's bad in animals 00:28:36.430 --> 00:28:40.589 in the womb, and shortly thereafter, it seems 00:28:40.589 --> 00:28:43.289 like water fluoridation might not be the best 00:28:43.289 --> 00:28:45.950 option. Especially when you think about since 00:28:45.950 --> 00:28:50.930 the 90s, the Kind of the prognosis or diagnosis 00:28:50.930 --> 00:28:54.670 of ADHD and ADD has shot through the roof. Can 00:28:54.670 --> 00:28:56.750 you blame it all on fluoride? I don't know. I 00:28:56.750 --> 00:28:58.609 think, you know, you got to look at causation 00:28:58.609 --> 00:29:01.089 versus correlation for sure. But I don't know, 00:29:01.109 --> 00:29:05.910 man. I mean, you're basically mass dosing people. 00:29:06.130 --> 00:29:09.829 That's such a hot topic. And the numbers don't 00:29:09.829 --> 00:29:12.369 lie. And there's something going on. It's probably 00:29:12.369 --> 00:29:15.700 a... cumulative effect from multiple factors, 00:29:16.059 --> 00:29:19.519 one of which may or may not be fluoride in the 00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:22.200 water, one of which may or may not be vaccines, 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.599 one of which may or may not be the chemical processing 00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:29.359 of our food supply. Yeah, or TV as a babysitter, 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:33.900 right? Yeah, screen time, huge, huge. I didn't 00:29:33.900 --> 00:29:36.640 have a lot of screen time growing up. I'm not 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:38.819 trying to come out and be like all anti -fluoride, 00:29:38.859 --> 00:29:41.940 but also you've got studies showing that in animals 00:29:41.940 --> 00:29:44.910 this is... Not good for infants. And you have 00:29:44.910 --> 00:29:47.109 all these products out there, all of these products, 00:29:47.250 --> 00:29:50.089 that say if you're pregnant, consult a doctor 00:29:50.089 --> 00:29:52.470 before consuming. But they'll just willy -nilly 00:29:52.470 --> 00:29:55.809 fluoridate your water. Right. So, you know, it's 00:29:55.809 --> 00:29:58.700 a lack of consistency. I think, in this sense. 00:29:58.859 --> 00:30:00.920 Again, I'm not saying fluoride causes things. 00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:04.339 It's just I'm trying to show to you what I've 00:30:04.339 --> 00:30:06.380 discovered on my studies of this. Because, you 00:30:06.380 --> 00:30:07.980 know, fluoride is kind of like, yeah, it was 00:30:07.980 --> 00:30:10.700 funny in Doctor Strange when, you know, he was 00:30:10.700 --> 00:30:12.619 accusing the Russians of stealing his essence 00:30:12.619 --> 00:30:14.619 by adding fluoride to the water. And I don't 00:30:14.619 --> 00:30:16.839 even know how it got to that point that, you 00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:19.380 know, Kubrick would put that in his movie or 00:30:19.380 --> 00:30:22.240 whatever. But it's been a thing for a long time. 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:25.599 This fluoride thing. And I've never had a cavity. 00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.799 And I'm soon to be 39 years old and I've never 00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:31.799 had a cavity. And it's funny because my wife 00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:33.859 has never had a cavity until I think two years 00:30:33.859 --> 00:30:37.059 ago she had her first cavity. So who knows? I 00:30:37.059 --> 00:30:38.839 don't know. You know, and a lot of it too is 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:41.599 genetics, right? If you have good teeth, you 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.420 have good teeth. And some teeth are more resilient 00:30:44.420 --> 00:30:47.619 to cavities. You're brushing habits, and I'm 00:30:47.619 --> 00:30:50.180 a big proponent of flossing. I floss every day. 00:30:50.380 --> 00:30:52.460 Some people don't like flossing, and that's cool. 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:55.019 Do what you do. I need to get more into flossing. 00:30:55.180 --> 00:30:57.400 I really only floss once a week. I need to do 00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:01.059 it more. Yeah. My dental hygienist or my dental 00:31:01.059 --> 00:31:03.200 assistant or whatever, she told me, I want you 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:04.920 to floss every day, and it's going to suck for 00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:06.920 the first couple weeks. But after the first couple 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:09.400 weeks, you're going to notice if you miss a day 00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:13.140 flossing. And that is true. That is true. That's 00:31:13.140 --> 00:31:16.099 been true. If I miss a day flossing, I can tell. 00:31:16.859 --> 00:31:19.000 I don't know how I know. I can definitely tell, 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:23.160 you know, being a hunter and a fisherman. You 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:24.319 can definitely tell when you don't brush your 00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:28.240 teeth. That's for sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes. 00:31:28.339 --> 00:31:30.619 And I've seen people, I've seen dentists say, 00:31:30.660 --> 00:31:33.920 or dentists, I've seen dentists say that if you're 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.119 going to eat sweets, it's better to eat it all 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:39.039 in one go than it is to snack on it throughout 00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:43.119 the day. Because the sugar content. over a set 00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:45.779 number of time, it's like you're constantly applying 00:31:45.779 --> 00:31:48.019 sugar to your teeth. Instead of if you eat it 00:31:48.019 --> 00:31:50.299 all at once, you can drink water, you can drink 00:31:50.299 --> 00:31:52.359 whatever else, and it cleans off your teeth. 00:31:52.420 --> 00:31:54.779 Or even your own saliva cleans off your teeth. 00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:57.079 But if you snack on it consistently throughout 00:31:57.079 --> 00:31:59.119 the day, it's worse for your teeth than if you 00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:01.740 just eat it all in one go. Sure. That makes a 00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:03.460 lot of sense. Yeah. All right. The second thing 00:32:03.460 --> 00:32:06.359 of this article, this scientific article, impacts 00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:09.000 fluoride neurotoxicity and mitochondrial dysfunction, 00:32:09.339 --> 00:32:11.220 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You 00:32:11.220 --> 00:32:14.319 guys did great. I'm not trying to minimize your 00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:16.299 scientific research, but your title is too fucking 00:32:16.299 --> 00:32:17.920 long, and I'm just not going to read it again. 00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:20.700 So if there are mitochondrial dysfunction, fluoride 00:32:20.700 --> 00:32:23.420 exposure has been linked to mitochondrial damage, 00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.539 including decreased mitochondrial DNA content. 00:32:27.069 --> 00:32:31.029 disrupted biogenesis and loss of circular mitochondrial 00:32:31.029 --> 00:32:34.890 structure. And I think, as we all know, the mitochondria 00:32:34.890 --> 00:32:39.529 is the powerhouse of the cell. Since many neurodevelopmental 00:32:39.529 --> 00:32:41.690 conditions are associated with mitochondrial 00:32:41.690 --> 00:32:43.789 dysfunction, this pathway is considered significant 00:32:43.789 --> 00:32:47.029 in understanding fluoride's potential neurotoxic 00:32:47.029 --> 00:32:49.480 effects. There's some research gaps. The review 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.299 identifies two main gaps in literature. One is 00:32:52.299 --> 00:32:54.000 limited research on the mental and emotional 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.660 impact of fluoride exposure compared to cognitive 00:32:56.660 --> 00:32:59.799 outcomes. And two, a focus on prenatal and perinatal 00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:02.299 exposure in human studies, with little research 00:33:02.299 --> 00:33:05.180 on other developmental stages such as adolescence. 00:33:05.420 --> 00:33:07.759 And that's interesting because I know there are 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.700 studies on marijuana. where your brain is developing 00:33:10.700 --> 00:33:14.140 basically until 18 years old. And so a lot of 00:33:14.140 --> 00:33:16.240 the literature and scientific studies say if 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:18.859 you're going to smoke weed, marijuana, you shouldn't 00:33:18.859 --> 00:33:22.740 do so until after 18 because it can, before 18, 00:33:22.859 --> 00:33:25.880 it can negatively affect your development. Again, 00:33:25.980 --> 00:33:27.359 I'm not a doctor. That makes sense. I don't know, 00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:29.359 but yes. That makes sense too. I'm sure there 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:31.200 are studies on alcohol and, you know, European 00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:34.200 nations let people drink at 16 and we wait till 00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:36.900 21 here. I don't know what the effects of that 00:33:36.900 --> 00:33:39.720 is. We're talking about fluoride. But the conclusion 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:42.000 of this article basically states, there's evidence 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.460 suggesting early life fluoride exposure may have 00:33:44.460 --> 00:33:48.180 neurotoxic effects, potentially mediated by mitochondrial 00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:50.779 dysfunction. Further research is necessary to 00:33:50.779 --> 00:33:53.200 fully understand the impact and timing of fluoride 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.500 exposure on mental health. So it's one of those 00:33:56.500 --> 00:33:59.440 things where... you know, what is it? See the 00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:01.420 forest through the trees kind of thing where, 00:34:01.500 --> 00:34:05.559 yeah, we've got an over 60 % decrease of cavities, 00:34:05.740 --> 00:34:08.980 but what's the other cost? What's the other side 00:34:08.980 --> 00:34:11.099 effects that might be happening that we don't 00:34:11.099 --> 00:34:13.980 know about yet? The other big thing here with 00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:18.320 the fluoride is the pineal gland. And the pineal 00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:20.480 gland is responsible for producing melatonin, 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.460 which helps regulate the sleep -wake cycles. 00:34:22.619 --> 00:34:24.800 And you can get melatonin supplements that help 00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:27.199 you sleep or, you know, supposedly help you sleep. 00:34:27.449 --> 00:34:29.090 I've had good luck with melatonin supplements, 00:34:29.210 --> 00:34:32.289 honestly. They put me out for sure. But the pineal 00:34:32.289 --> 00:34:34.769 gland will accumulate fluoride, which potentially 00:34:34.769 --> 00:34:37.070 affects its function. And this accumulation can 00:34:37.070 --> 00:34:40.110 lead to decreased melatonin production and can 00:34:40.110 --> 00:34:42.610 potentially disrupt your circadian rhythms. So 00:34:42.610 --> 00:34:44.550 the pineal gland is located between the brain's 00:34:44.550 --> 00:34:47.670 hemispheres. It synthesizes and secretes melatonin. 00:34:47.670 --> 00:34:49.809 And melatonin plays a crucial role in regulating 00:34:49.809 --> 00:34:52.090 the body's circadian rhythm, impacting your sleep 00:34:52.090 --> 00:34:55.389 -wake cycles, puberty onset in females, and protecting 00:34:55.389 --> 00:34:57.590 against cell damage. The pineal gland is one 00:34:57.590 --> 00:34:59.469 of the organs that accumulates fluoride. This 00:34:59.469 --> 00:35:02.489 accumulation is attributed to its high vascularization 00:35:02.489 --> 00:35:04.869 and location outside the blood -brain barrier. 00:35:05.269 --> 00:35:07.130 Some studies suggest that fluoride accumulation 00:35:07.130 --> 00:35:09.409 in the pineal gland may negatively impact its 00:35:09.409 --> 00:35:11.969 function, potentially leading to reduced melatonin 00:35:11.969 --> 00:35:14.210 production. This is because fluoride can interfere 00:35:14.210 --> 00:35:16.929 with the... well, this is... I don't know why. 00:35:17.449 --> 00:35:19.010 I don't know why all these words are tough to 00:35:19.010 --> 00:35:22.230 say, but penelokites. The cell is responsible 00:35:22.230 --> 00:35:25.010 for melatonin production and may also contribute 00:35:25.010 --> 00:35:27.949 to a calcification of the gland. And I think 00:35:27.949 --> 00:35:29.849 everybody knows what calcification is. It's like 00:35:29.849 --> 00:35:33.329 stalagmite, right? Stalactite? Stalactite? Stalagmite? 00:35:33.409 --> 00:35:35.090 Something like that. Something like that. I'm 00:35:35.090 --> 00:35:36.750 not a cave person either. I'm not going to go 00:35:36.750 --> 00:35:40.210 down and die face down in some world's smallest 00:35:40.210 --> 00:35:43.230 passage. If you're into spelunking, that's good 00:35:43.230 --> 00:35:45.670 for you, but not me. Give me wide open skies. 00:35:46.650 --> 00:35:49.309 And a place to roam. Preliminary animal studies 00:35:49.309 --> 00:35:53.510 have shown that fluoride reduces melatonin and 00:35:53.510 --> 00:35:55.769 it shortens the puberty onset. And the exact 00:35:55.769 --> 00:35:58.489 effects of fluoride on human pineal gland function 00:35:58.489 --> 00:36:01.309 and melatonin production are still being researched. 00:36:01.610 --> 00:36:04.829 So it seems like it could shorten the puberty 00:36:04.829 --> 00:36:07.889 onset. At least it says here for females. So 00:36:07.889 --> 00:36:10.230 I don't know if it has any effect on males or 00:36:10.230 --> 00:36:15.139 not. Nobody gives a shit about males. Yeah. Calcification 00:36:15.139 --> 00:36:17.880 of the pineal gland, it's a natural process that 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:21.159 occurs with age, but it may also affect melatonin 00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:24.500 production and disrupt sleep cycles or sleep 00:36:24.500 --> 00:36:26.539 patterns. Fluoride accumulation could potentially 00:36:26.539 --> 00:36:29.480 contribute to this calcification process. So 00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:32.539 I guess your pineal gland kind of gets less efficient 00:36:32.539 --> 00:36:35.639 with age, as does most things, I suppose, right? 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.980 But fluoride might speed it up. So you might 00:36:37.980 --> 00:36:42.199 have a pineal gland of a 60 -year -old at 40 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:44.480 or something. Who knows? But the important considerations 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.260 are correlation versus causation, which pretty 00:36:47.260 --> 00:36:48.880 much any time you're talking about statistics, 00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:51.219 that's the hugest thing. Is fluoride accumulation 00:36:51.219 --> 00:36:53.880 in the pineal gland has been observed, but more 00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.300 research is needed to confirm a direct causal 00:36:56.300 --> 00:36:59.500 link between fluoride exposure and changes in 00:36:59.500 --> 00:37:02.829 melatonin production or sleep patterns. Sometimes 00:37:02.829 --> 00:37:05.550 these conspiracy theorists will take something 00:37:05.550 --> 00:37:07.769 like this saying, we don't know for sure it might 00:37:07.769 --> 00:37:10.230 lead to this, and they'll take it as, let's say, 00:37:10.250 --> 00:37:12.989 gospel, and they just go and run with it. The 00:37:12.989 --> 00:37:14.849 primary health concern related to fluoride is 00:37:14.849 --> 00:37:17.449 the impact on dental health, where it is beneficial 00:37:17.449 --> 00:37:19.730 for reducing tooth decay. But ongoing research 00:37:19.730 --> 00:37:21.690 is exploring the potential impact of fluoride 00:37:21.690 --> 00:37:24.269 exposure on sleep outcomes, including sleep duration, 00:37:24.449 --> 00:37:27.349 quality, and sleep disorders. So there's definitely 00:37:27.349 --> 00:37:29.650 some other concerns with fluoride, as there should 00:37:29.650 --> 00:37:31.750 be with anything you add to people's diets or 00:37:31.750 --> 00:37:34.889 intake, I think, right? I mean, there's more 00:37:34.889 --> 00:37:37.650 concerns than just the benefit, which is why 00:37:37.650 --> 00:37:40.429 all of our prescription commercials have the, 00:37:40.530 --> 00:37:44.090 in some rare cases, this drug has been known 00:37:44.090 --> 00:37:47.389 to cause death or diarrhea. Oh, yeah. We saw 00:37:47.389 --> 00:37:51.849 an ad last week, and it was a 30 -second ad, 00:37:51.969 --> 00:37:55.030 and 25 seconds of it was side effects, and they 00:37:55.030 --> 00:37:57.019 were buzzing. It's like, how the fuck did this 00:37:57.019 --> 00:37:59.699 get passed with all these side effects? Money. 00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:02.239 I'm guessing money. I'm going to guess a lot 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:04.440 of money. Yeah. I'm going to guess that there's 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.500 a lot of money involved for whatever it was for. 00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:08.880 I don't even know what it was for. Yeah. All 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:11.739 right. So in summation, fluoride is a naturally 00:38:11.739 --> 00:38:13.940 occurring mineral. When properly used, helps 00:38:13.940 --> 00:38:16.920 prevent tooth decay, and it strengthens the teeth. 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:19.239 It's a key component in many toothpastes and 00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:21.579 mouthwashes. So even if you're against water 00:38:21.579 --> 00:38:23.679 fluoridation, check your toothpaste. I mean, 00:38:23.699 --> 00:38:26.909 if you're against fluoridation. 100%. Check your 00:38:26.909 --> 00:38:28.909 toothpaste. I mean, check the ingredients. That's 00:38:28.909 --> 00:38:30.449 why we have ingredients in the back. Because 00:38:30.449 --> 00:38:32.150 you may be taking it without knowing it. Yeah, 00:38:32.210 --> 00:38:34.409 I'm going to say that most toothpastes have fluoride. 00:38:34.449 --> 00:38:38.070 Like I say, my understanding of the topic is 00:38:38.070 --> 00:38:41.769 that your teeth will absorb the fluoride directly 00:38:41.769 --> 00:38:46.210 without ingesting it. Similar to other things. 00:38:46.550 --> 00:38:49.869 And that is probably the most effective delivery 00:38:49.869 --> 00:38:53.699 method. Probably so. Probably so. And you will 00:38:53.699 --> 00:38:55.619 get the most benefit with the least amount of 00:38:55.619 --> 00:38:58.820 cost if you directly put the fluoride on your 00:38:58.820 --> 00:39:01.900 teeth for two minutes, you know, however long 00:39:01.900 --> 00:39:04.420 it takes you to brush your teeth. It puts the 00:39:04.420 --> 00:39:07.460 fluoride on his teeth or it gets the hose again. 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:13.170 Yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, when it's used properly, 00:39:13.349 --> 00:39:15.909 it helps your teeth. And that's proven. You almost 00:39:15.909 --> 00:39:19.610 can't refute that. You can't refute that fluoride 00:39:19.610 --> 00:39:22.510 helps your teeth. You can say that, you know, 00:39:22.550 --> 00:39:24.889 there are definitely some side effects that may 00:39:24.889 --> 00:39:28.349 not be as well studied as other things. But the 00:39:28.349 --> 00:39:31.030 benefits are it prevents cavities. It strengthens 00:39:31.030 --> 00:39:32.989 your enamel, your tooth enamel, making it more 00:39:32.989 --> 00:39:35.869 resistant to acid attacks and from bacteria that 00:39:35.869 --> 00:39:38.750 can lead to cavities. It reverses early signs 00:39:38.750 --> 00:39:41.269 of decay, so it can help repair, even, early 00:39:41.269 --> 00:39:43.150 tooth decay and prevent it from progressing. 00:39:43.329 --> 00:39:46.949 So if you have bad teeth and you are introduced 00:39:46.949 --> 00:39:49.650 to fluoride toothpaste, let's say, you can actually 00:39:49.650 --> 00:39:53.369 reverse some of that early signs of damage. And 00:39:53.369 --> 00:39:55.889 studies have shown that communities with fluoridated 00:39:55.889 --> 00:39:58.469 water, they have significantly reduced rates 00:39:58.469 --> 00:40:01.130 of tooth decay in both children and adults. And 00:40:01.130 --> 00:40:03.090 fluoride plays a role in maintaining healthy 00:40:03.090 --> 00:40:05.829 gums and help protect teeth from wear and tear. 00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:08.119 But some of the risks and considerations are 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:10.480 excessive fluoride exposure during tooth development 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:12.699 can cause a cosmetic condition called dental 00:40:12.699 --> 00:40:15.059 fluorosis, which can result in mild staining 00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:16.900 or discoloration of the teeth, going back to 00:40:16.900 --> 00:40:19.199 the Colorado stain. You know, their teeth were 00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:21.699 brown because their water had high concentrations 00:40:21.699 --> 00:40:24.179 of fluoride, so it made their teeth discolored. 00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.199 They had less cavities, but they were discolored. 00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:28.880 So it was too much. Skeletal fluorosis, which 00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:31.119 is extremely rare in the United States, can occur 00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:34.239 with prolonged excessive fluoride exposure, and 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.219 it can affect your bones and joints. And prenatal 00:40:37.219 --> 00:40:39.179 exposure, there have been concerns about the 00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:41.699 prenatal exposure and potential effects on brain 00:40:41.699 --> 00:40:44.360 development, but more research is needed for 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:47.639 that. Although, I don't know, I think the animal 00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:50.039 stuff, I think that's enough for me. But again, 00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:51.880 I'm at the FDA or anything like that. If you 00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:53.900 want to bribe me with millions of dollars, I 00:40:53.900 --> 00:40:56.150 can become the FDA. That's the point. Too much 00:40:56.150 --> 00:40:58.570 fluoride can lead to dental fluorosis and in 00:40:58.570 --> 00:41:01.630 extremely rare cases, skeletal fluorosis, which 00:41:01.630 --> 00:41:03.610 will affect your bone and joints. So fluoride 00:41:03.610 --> 00:41:06.730 is safe and effective for preventing tooth decay 00:41:06.730 --> 00:41:09.289 when used in appropriate amounts. There are some 00:41:09.289 --> 00:41:12.449 risks with excessive fluoridation, and a lot 00:41:12.449 --> 00:41:16.230 of the European countries actually state their 00:41:16.230 --> 00:41:19.449 reason for not fluoridating their water is one, 00:41:19.710 --> 00:41:24.170 the cost per benefit, and two, for introducing... 00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:28.159 what they consider kind of a medical thing to 00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:31.519 unwilling participants, which is strange because 00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:34.500 you would think America, the country of the individual, 00:41:34.699 --> 00:41:37.440 would be about, hey, you want fluoride? You can 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:39.239 get fluoride. You don't want it? We're not going 00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:41.940 to fluoride your water. So kind of an interesting... 00:41:41.940 --> 00:41:44.320 This has been discussed many times on the show. 00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:48.019 We have the illusion of freedom. The illusion 00:41:48.019 --> 00:41:50.159 of freedom. Yeah. I'm just saying it's interesting 00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:54.519 because as backwards as a lot of people think 00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:57.699 America is with public health, right? A lot of 00:41:57.699 --> 00:41:59.820 communities choose to fluoridate their water, 00:41:59.900 --> 00:42:02.920 which is basically saying, here, have some free 00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:05.360 health care. Well, it's not 100 % free, right? 00:42:05.460 --> 00:42:07.679 Your taxes and whatever. But, you know, have 00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.110 some free health care. But it's kind of, you 00:42:10.110 --> 00:42:13.070 can't opt out of it, free healthcare. It's like 00:42:13.070 --> 00:42:16.369 a free healthcare by force thing. So it's definitely 00:42:16.369 --> 00:42:19.130 an interesting take. If it was looked into, I 00:42:19.130 --> 00:42:22.530 would bet money that there was some person that 00:42:22.530 --> 00:42:27.389 owned a factory or a mine or something that produced 00:42:27.389 --> 00:42:31.019 fluoride that... paid off government officials 00:42:31.019 --> 00:42:33.900 to make it the law. This is my understanding 00:42:33.900 --> 00:42:36.599 in the state of Minnesota, it is mandated to 00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.260 have fluoride in the water everywhere. Could 00:42:39.260 --> 00:42:42.000 be, could be. I don't know. I'm going to tell 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.780 you a little story. You will remember this, Mike, 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.840 because we're almost the same age. You know, 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:51.800 close enough to be imperceivable in other people's 00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:53.920 eyes. We're the same era, the same generation. 00:42:54.059 --> 00:42:57.480 Let's say that. When I was a kid, The hole in 00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:00.300 the ozone layer was a huge concern. And by huge 00:43:00.300 --> 00:43:02.039 concern, I mean we joked about it all the time 00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:05.400 in school, right? I don't know. That's what you 00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.340 did back then. And you haven't heard of it since 00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:11.000 then, since we were in school and heard about 00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:13.719 the ozone layer. And the reason why is, for some 00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.000 reason, maybe no reason at all, all of the governments 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:19.260 that were important to this thing decided that 00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:21.639 it was actually an issue. And they banded together. 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:23.800 and decided to do something about it. And they 00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:25.820 actually did something about it. And it actually 00:43:25.820 --> 00:43:29.039 prevented or reversed the hole in the ozone layer. 00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:31.380 And it's done. It's not an issue anymore because 00:43:31.380 --> 00:43:34.219 everybody joined together and said, holy shit, 00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:36.619 this is a big issue. Let's fix it. But it wasn't 00:43:36.619 --> 00:43:39.440 reported in media that everybody banded together 00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:41.360 and worked together and fixed it. Because good 00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:44.820 news doesn't sell. Bad news sells. And maybe 00:43:44.820 --> 00:43:47.190 to some extent, that's what fluoride is. To be 00:43:47.190 --> 00:43:50.070 fair, there's some other very concerning side 00:43:50.070 --> 00:43:52.710 effects, especially for the prenatal stuff, that 00:43:52.710 --> 00:43:57.610 are concerning or alarming. But maybe fluoride 00:43:57.610 --> 00:43:59.690 isn't that bad of a thing in the grand scheme 00:43:59.690 --> 00:44:02.510 of things. I don't know. I don't think it's a 00:44:02.510 --> 00:44:06.289 communist plot, all Dr. Strangelove. But there 00:44:06.289 --> 00:44:08.269 might be somebody benefiting from all of this, 00:44:08.289 --> 00:44:10.429 but I don't think it's necessarily nefarious 00:44:10.429 --> 00:44:13.070 in the sense that, you know, you've got an over 00:44:13.070 --> 00:44:17.010 60 % decrease of cavities. I tend to agree with 00:44:17.010 --> 00:44:19.349 you. Like, the reality is I tend to agree with 00:44:19.349 --> 00:44:22.469 you. You don't need to attribute bad intentions. 00:44:22.829 --> 00:44:25.789 Oh, no, no, no. To water fluoridation. Like, 00:44:25.789 --> 00:44:29.789 it's not necessary. Yeah, I mean, like, fluoridation 00:44:29.789 --> 00:44:31.690 seems like one of those mundane things we shouldn't 00:44:31.690 --> 00:44:33.610 even have an episode about, but here we fucking 00:44:33.610 --> 00:44:35.309 are. Sure, so. Because, you know, like, Arfie 00:44:35.309 --> 00:44:38.670 Jr. is like, oh, fluoridation, bad. So, I became 00:44:38.670 --> 00:44:42.159 aware of fluoridation circa... Oh, would it be 00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.300 like 2013, 2012, something like that? Sure. For 00:44:45.300 --> 00:44:48.659 the first time ever, I, as everybody knows, I 00:44:48.659 --> 00:44:52.500 worked in the oil patch. Yeah. And out there, 00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:58.400 Alex Jones was on the radio. Okay. And we would 00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.340 play Alex Jones for four hours a day on the job 00:45:01.340 --> 00:45:03.460 site radios because everybody loved Alex Jones, 00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.500 myself included. And Jordan, who has been on 00:45:06.500 --> 00:45:09.949 the show, big fan. Of Rush Limbaugh and Alex 00:45:09.949 --> 00:45:13.409 Jones. And on his show, he talked about fluoridation. 00:45:13.510 --> 00:45:17.570 And I remember it because he was talking about 00:45:17.570 --> 00:45:21.789 how it was a mind control, a Soviet mind control 00:45:21.789 --> 00:45:25.090 drug that the United States government put in 00:45:25.090 --> 00:45:29.539 the water. To make people facile and easy to 00:45:29.539 --> 00:45:32.000 control and manipulate, which you did not mention. 00:45:32.139 --> 00:45:34.119 You know what? I wanted to mention it because 00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:36.840 that is something I have heard that fluoride 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:40.780 makes you less aggressive. Yes. But nothing in 00:45:40.780 --> 00:45:46.760 my research lent any weight to that. So I thought 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:48.260 that was going to be one of the top things. I 00:45:48.260 --> 00:45:50.159 even typed in fluoride conspiracy theories and 00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:54.989 nothing came up for aggressiveness. Yeah, and 00:45:54.989 --> 00:45:58.369 it stuck out because a town in Minnesota, Brainerd, 00:45:58.369 --> 00:46:01.230 Minnesota, famously fought the government to 00:46:01.230 --> 00:46:02.730 fluoridate their water, and they were the last 00:46:02.730 --> 00:46:05.469 town in the state to do so. And the Supreme Court 00:46:05.469 --> 00:46:08.289 of Minnesota ordered the city to fluoridate their 00:46:08.289 --> 00:46:10.909 water, and they still delayed it by like four, 00:46:11.010 --> 00:46:13.489 six years, something like that. Like they fought, 00:46:13.690 --> 00:46:17.110 like the city fought against it, and apparently 00:46:17.110 --> 00:46:20.230 they still have a tap. At their water treatment 00:46:20.230 --> 00:46:22.789 facility where you can get city water that's 00:46:22.789 --> 00:46:26.710 not fluoridated. Okay. I'm sure people line up 00:46:26.710 --> 00:46:29.929 for that, too. I'm sure they do. Oh, I'm sure. 00:46:29.949 --> 00:46:32.230 I lived in Brainerd for a while, but all I got 00:46:32.230 --> 00:46:34.869 was the Brainerd diarrhea. It's a Wikipedia article. 00:46:34.989 --> 00:46:38.829 Look it up. I literally got Brainerd diarrhea. 00:46:40.139 --> 00:46:42.800 Right, so this was a hot topic between Jordan 00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.420 and I because being from Minnesota, it was like, 00:46:45.460 --> 00:46:48.420 oh, what are those fucking weird northern people? 00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:51.019 What are they up to fighting against the fluoride? 00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:56.320 Yep. Made the Alex Jones show. Yeah, a lot of 00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.639 people think Minnesota is a Democrat state because 00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:02.639 of the cities, but you've got almost an equal 00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:06.989 number of... It's not really necessarily a political 00:47:06.989 --> 00:47:09.030 divide on the fluoride, but, you know, you've 00:47:09.030 --> 00:47:10.730 got all these people outside of the Twin Cities 00:47:10.730 --> 00:47:14.789 that are very staunch Republicans. That's true. 00:47:14.869 --> 00:47:16.809 I don't think that the fluoride issue is so much 00:47:16.809 --> 00:47:19.030 Republican as it is. No, I don't think it is. 00:47:19.110 --> 00:47:21.170 I don't think it is. Anti -government control. 00:47:21.230 --> 00:47:22.829 Well, yeah, anti -government control. I'm just 00:47:22.829 --> 00:47:24.610 saying, like, you know, a lot of people think, 00:47:24.670 --> 00:47:26.630 like, oh, Minnesota, they always vote Democrat. 00:47:26.809 --> 00:47:28.449 Well, of course they do. They've got more of 00:47:28.449 --> 00:47:30.369 the population in the Twin Cities than they do 00:47:30.369 --> 00:47:32.809 anywhere else. But it's just like saying, you 00:47:32.809 --> 00:47:35.340 know, oh, Wisconsin. Robinson's always Republican. 00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:38.219 Well, they've got Democrat pockets as well, like 00:47:38.219 --> 00:47:41.159 Madison, but Madison is not as big as Minneapolis 00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:43.420 and St. Paul combined. So you don't have the 00:47:43.420 --> 00:47:46.119 same, it's not the same balance. It's just people 00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:48.840 are people, you know. Right. Well, northern Minnesota 00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:52.340 has a lot of hippies and free thinkers. Yes. 00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:54.920 And a lot of I'm going to go out and be self 00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:58.500 -reliant and hunt some animals or whatever, you 00:47:58.500 --> 00:48:02.300 know. Yep. Yep. Exactly. A huge self -reliance 00:48:02.300 --> 00:48:06.400 culture. A huge. Yeah. Anti -mainstream culture. 00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:09.960 Well, as per our last episode, you've got a lot 00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:12.960 of free thinkers, and that could be free thinkers 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.719 on your political side or the other political 00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:17.940 side. It doesn't really matter. Oh, for sure. 00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:19.000 Yeah, they're free thinkers. For sure, yeah. 00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:21.380 I mean, it's free thinking. Free thinking is 00:48:21.380 --> 00:48:26.059 encouraged. Yes. Free thinking is highly encouraged. 00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:29.059 So that's... Most of the reason why I'm aware 00:48:29.059 --> 00:48:31.179 of the fluoride issue is because of Alex Jones 00:48:31.179 --> 00:48:34.260 and my time spent in the patch. Because everybody 00:48:34.260 --> 00:48:35.659 would say, oh, you're from Minnesota? Do you 00:48:35.659 --> 00:48:38.920 know about this? Yeah. I'm like, no. Why the 00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:42.519 fuck would I know about that? That happened way 00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.219 before I was a... thinking about political shit. 00:48:45.380 --> 00:48:48.500 I think it was, like I said, 1980. I looked it 00:48:48.500 --> 00:48:51.260 up during the show. It was 1980 when Brainerd 00:48:51.260 --> 00:48:53.940 finally fluoridated the water. So the last city 00:48:53.940 --> 00:48:56.400 to fluoridate their water in Minnesota was 1980, 00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:59.840 which was six years after the court ordered them 00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:02.539 to do so. So somehow they managed to drag their 00:49:02.539 --> 00:49:05.679 feet for six years. We got a vote on it, but 00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:07.920 the one guy, he's still out on the goose blind. 00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:10.900 I don't know. We've got to wait for him to come 00:49:10.900 --> 00:49:13.260 back. Yeah, George, he's repairing his fucking... 00:49:13.289 --> 00:49:16.389 and moccasins trying to pick mushrooms out in 00:49:16.389 --> 00:49:20.590 the forest. He hasn't come down from his last 00:49:20.590 --> 00:49:23.110 trip. We got to wait. Yeah, exactly. For him 00:49:23.110 --> 00:49:26.630 to sober up a bit. Yep. So that's all I know 00:49:26.630 --> 00:49:28.389 about fluoride. It's being, you know, living, 00:49:28.510 --> 00:49:32.829 growing up up here and living up here. It's in 00:49:32.829 --> 00:49:35.530 the zeitgeist of our thought. For sure. Fuck 00:49:35.530 --> 00:49:37.610 the government. Well, it's crazy because I remember 00:49:37.610 --> 00:49:39.750 taking those little pink pills or the little 00:49:39.750 --> 00:49:41.500 pink tablets and chewing them up. Right, and 00:49:41.500 --> 00:49:42.940 I don't remember if I spit them out or swallowed 00:49:42.940 --> 00:49:45.460 them. I don't remember. It wasn't a huge thing 00:49:45.460 --> 00:49:47.940 for a child, of course. But I do remember the 00:49:47.940 --> 00:49:50.440 fluoride pills. I remember them, and I remember 00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:52.340 chewing them, but I don't remember what happened 00:49:52.340 --> 00:49:55.260 after the fact. You know what I mean? Like, you 00:49:55.260 --> 00:49:57.079 remember not swallowing them. I don't know if 00:49:57.079 --> 00:49:59.159 I did or didn't. To some extent, it doesn't really 00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.480 matter. I remember because my dentist was pro 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:04.769 -fluoride but against drinking it. He was like 00:50:04.769 --> 00:50:07.750 one of those guys. I'm sure he was active in 00:50:07.750 --> 00:50:10.369 the anti -fluoride campaigns of the 70s, which 00:50:10.369 --> 00:50:13.510 was common in this region. Like, you know, all 00:50:13.510 --> 00:50:15.650 of northern Minnesota is kind of similar where 00:50:15.650 --> 00:50:18.309 it's like free thinkers. Well, even northern 00:50:18.309 --> 00:50:21.730 Wisconsin where I grew up. Right. So it's the 00:50:21.730 --> 00:50:24.150 same stuff. You know, we cheer for a winning 00:50:24.150 --> 00:50:27.250 football team and you guys don't. It's not a 00:50:27.250 --> 00:50:30.650 big deal. Right. Yeah. Like I say, I mean, I'm 00:50:30.650 --> 00:50:32.849 like a registered Democrat, but I'm also anti. 00:50:33.420 --> 00:50:35.780 anti -authoritarian. So I want people to make 00:50:35.780 --> 00:50:38.719 their own choices, whether right or wrong. Well, 00:50:38.780 --> 00:50:41.059 yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you, you know? Well, I think 00:50:41.059 --> 00:50:44.639 that's the biggest detractor or detriment to 00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:48.380 water fluoridation is, yes, you're drastically 00:50:48.380 --> 00:50:52.119 reducing cavities, but you're doing so against 00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:55.039 the free choices of these people you're giving 00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:58.059 it to. They don't have a choice in a lot of these 00:50:58.059 --> 00:51:00.699 communities. And that's the issue, I think, mostly, 00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:04.619 is there are some Side effects, whether they're 00:51:04.619 --> 00:51:07.559 founded or unfounded, science still has to decide, 00:51:07.659 --> 00:51:10.460 I suppose, depending on the levels and all of 00:51:10.460 --> 00:51:13.000 that stuff. But basically, if you want somebody 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:15.239 to make their own decisions, they should decide 00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:16.920 if they want fluoride or not. And you've got 00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:18.619 these other options where you have fluoridated 00:51:18.619 --> 00:51:21.219 toothpaste. They've got the fluoride pills. I 00:51:21.219 --> 00:51:23.219 guess if you're in Europe or something, you've 00:51:23.219 --> 00:51:25.739 got fluoridated sugar and salt or whatever the 00:51:25.739 --> 00:51:28.300 fuck. Milk, I don't know. Oh, my mouthwash. I 00:51:28.300 --> 00:51:31.119 specifically buy the mouthwash that has fluoride 00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:33.980 in it. Alcohol and fluoride both, I believe. 00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:36.219 It's like the purple Listerine. Because I want 00:51:36.219 --> 00:51:38.579 the fluoride on my teeth. Like, I do want the 00:51:38.579 --> 00:51:40.599 fluoride on my teeth. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, 00:51:40.619 --> 00:51:44.260 yeah. I do. I understand. Well, I don't think 00:51:44.260 --> 00:51:47.539 the issue is that fluoride is bad for your teeth. 00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:49.219 I think the issue is fluoride. It's good for 00:51:49.219 --> 00:51:50.960 your teeth, but we shouldn't be drinking it, 00:51:51.019 --> 00:51:54.320 maybe. Potentially. Potentially, for sure. And 00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:56.039 I think that's the big issue. There's no fluoride 00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:57.639 in my water on purpose, I can tell you that. 00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.639 Well, yeah. The people that say that Europe has 00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:02.760 a ban on it because fluoride is evil, they're 00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:05.429 missing the point. To an extent. Because, again, 00:52:05.530 --> 00:52:08.190 it's not necessarily a ban. It's just, you know, 00:52:08.190 --> 00:52:11.510 they look at the cost per whatever. And for them, 00:52:11.510 --> 00:52:14.309 the cost per whatever doesn't add up to fluoridate 00:52:14.309 --> 00:52:16.090 the water. Or they don't want to force somebody 00:52:16.090 --> 00:52:18.070 to take a medical, you know, what I would consider 00:52:18.070 --> 00:52:21.650 a medical precaution without a choice. Well, 00:52:21.670 --> 00:52:24.690 sure. Their number, their CBA, cost -benefit 00:52:24.690 --> 00:52:27.329 analysis, doesn't bear out putting it in the 00:52:27.329 --> 00:52:29.650 water. Well, and they put it in salt or they 00:52:29.650 --> 00:52:32.110 put it in whatever, you know, so. Yeah, which 00:52:32.110 --> 00:52:34.699 is great, like I say. I know that it's not crazy. 00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:37.159 It sounds crazy. Well, it sounds crazy to us, 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:40.159 but we put it in the water, right? We put it 00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:42.380 in the water. Well, I don't fucking drink city 00:52:42.380 --> 00:52:44.780 water. I understand. Nate and I have talked about 00:52:44.780 --> 00:52:48.019 this off air. We don't drink, and here we don't 00:52:48.019 --> 00:52:50.340 drink unfiltered water. I put it in a pitcher 00:52:50.340 --> 00:52:52.139 that filters stuff out, so I don't know if it 00:52:52.139 --> 00:52:55.099 does fluoride or not. No, it doesn't. It doesn't. 00:52:55.099 --> 00:52:57.360 I actually looked into it when I lived in Minot 00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:59.539 because I had a zero filter. Oh, okay. And the 00:52:59.539 --> 00:53:02.420 fluoride molecule is too small. I looked into 00:53:02.420 --> 00:53:05.699 it because it concerns about gas leaks into the 00:53:05.699 --> 00:53:09.000 water supply. Sure. Because of all the... poor 00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:12.960 mineral resources practices of the 1950s in north 00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:15.960 dakota they have like some leakage not from modern 00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:20.519 fracking but from the og fracking yes they i 00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:23.139 mean it's like original it's like any other technology 00:53:23.139 --> 00:53:25.159 right like you start off and it's not going to 00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:28.460 be as good as well yeah later yeah so fortunately 00:53:28.460 --> 00:53:31.960 the area i lived in mostly didn't have those 00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:34.880 issues when i did move to like watford city i 00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:38.670 mostly drank bottled water because I think their 00:53:38.670 --> 00:53:42.090 water supply is probably not safe due to the 00:53:42.090 --> 00:53:44.969 fact that they had oil development like 100 fucking 00:53:44.969 --> 00:53:46.969 years ago. You know what I mean? Well, Leslie 00:53:46.969 --> 00:53:50.369 thanks you. for perpetuating their slave labor 00:53:50.369 --> 00:53:53.409 force, but. Right, right, right, right. I know 00:53:53.409 --> 00:53:56.550 that like Sarah and I, when we visit her relatives, 00:53:56.630 --> 00:53:59.590 we'll bring our own water and drink our water 00:53:59.590 --> 00:54:02.349 instead of city water. Yeah. Because it didn't 00:54:02.349 --> 00:54:05.610 bother my wife when she lived there. Now she's 00:54:05.610 --> 00:54:08.670 lived in Northern Minnesota long enough. To where 00:54:08.670 --> 00:54:13.849 the water in the metro bothers her. Yeah. Where 00:54:13.849 --> 00:54:16.949 if you're used to it, it doesn't matter. And 00:54:16.949 --> 00:54:20.670 now that we have well water, she's used to it. 00:54:20.690 --> 00:54:23.489 And she doesn't want to drink city water at all. 00:54:23.590 --> 00:54:26.829 Yeah. Discuss her to drink. Like, I can't drink 00:54:26.829 --> 00:54:31.030 water from a tap in town either. Even in pop, 00:54:31.210 --> 00:54:34.210 it bothers me. Okay, yeah. Well, we have a pitcher 00:54:34.210 --> 00:54:38.480 filter, so I almost can't drink. just straight 00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:41.139 from our faucet, which is crazy because you've 00:54:41.139 --> 00:54:44.239 got people that, you know, people in undeveloped 00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:47.579 or underdeveloped nations that would kill to 00:54:47.579 --> 00:54:49.739 have the water from tap that we have from tap. 00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:53.360 Oh, for sure. But I can't do it, you know. When 00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:55.059 I lived in Minot, people would come over to my 00:54:55.059 --> 00:54:57.619 place and we'd have water, you know, they'd have 00:54:57.619 --> 00:54:59.539 a little glass of water and they'd be like, oh, 00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:01.420 this is so good. And I'm like, well, like, what 00:55:01.420 --> 00:55:03.199 are you, what's going on? And I'm like, I just 00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:06.989 put it in my zero filter. It's totally different. 00:55:07.170 --> 00:55:10.550 The water there smells bad. Oh, yeah. It smells 00:55:10.550 --> 00:55:15.289 bad. It stains. Not like iron, but a stain. Yeah. 00:55:15.389 --> 00:55:17.210 You know, like iron doesn't bother me in the 00:55:17.210 --> 00:55:19.969 water. Obviously, I live up north. There's iron 00:55:19.969 --> 00:55:21.989 in the water damn near everywhere. Iron in the 00:55:21.989 --> 00:55:24.829 water doesn't bother me. Yep. It's like other 00:55:24.829 --> 00:55:27.849 stuff that bothers me. The mineral taste doesn't 00:55:27.849 --> 00:55:30.510 bother me so much as like the chemical. Yep. 00:55:30.550 --> 00:55:33.780 And I can't handle it. Well, good news. Fluoride 00:55:33.780 --> 00:55:36.619 is a mineral, so you wouldn't know. Well, there 00:55:36.619 --> 00:55:42.760 we go. Anyway. Classic. That's all I got. What 00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.599 do you think about the cigar, Mike? I believe 00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:48.340 I already rated it a two. Okay. That's where 00:55:48.340 --> 00:55:51.139 I was going to go to. I don't see your rating. 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:54.500 I'll double check my chart. I think I filled 00:55:54.500 --> 00:55:56.820 it out already. All right. It wasn't great. I 00:55:56.820 --> 00:55:59.039 was going to give it a two. It was fine. It wasn't. 00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:02.699 bad i wouldn't really recommend it if you saw 00:56:02.699 --> 00:56:06.400 one but it's not offensive or anything like that 00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:10.019 i thought it was you know adequate yeah i think 00:56:10.019 --> 00:56:12.480 the waking dream or nightcap are better than 00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.900 this one for sure oh that waking dream and the 00:56:15.900 --> 00:56:18.840 nightcap were significantly better in my opinion 00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:22.539 yeah yeah this one is uh i didn't fill it out 00:56:22.539 --> 00:56:25.719 it's fine too didn't put it in okay it's fine 00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:28.840 it's just it's uh Not as good as the others. 00:56:28.980 --> 00:56:31.880 The other two we smoked. We've got a fuck ton 00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:34.400 of these, though, so we'll have to see what our 00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:35.460 favorite is. We have a ton of them. We'll spread 00:56:35.460 --> 00:56:38.519 them out. I can tell you that the listener, if 00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:41.679 you see the Tatianas, it's a go. Yeah. If they're 00:56:41.679 --> 00:56:44.760 cheap. They're just cheap cigars with a pipe 00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:48.699 filler. I did get, in the last inch, I got the 00:56:48.699 --> 00:56:53.179 snuff. coming out the end and i just kind of 00:56:53.179 --> 00:56:55.460 clipped the end really short and then made sure 00:56:55.460 --> 00:56:57.960 that i didn't put my mouth on the end of the 00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:01.019 cigar to try to like keep all that together yeah 00:57:01.019 --> 00:57:03.239 and that seemed to work maybe like a pinhole 00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:05.980 would be a better idea for them you know i don't 00:57:05.980 --> 00:57:08.900 know what to try or maybe like a uh because i 00:57:08.900 --> 00:57:12.420 got my my cigar cutter i usually v -cut now nowadays 00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:15.579 not season one or two for sure, but nowadays 00:57:15.579 --> 00:57:17.840 I do, but I've got the little punch and maybe 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:20.099 the little punch thing would be better than like 00:57:20.099 --> 00:57:23.340 a V cut. Yeah. I V cut it, but I like just, I 00:57:23.340 --> 00:57:26.760 like literally looked at it and just got the 00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:29.599 little slice. Yeah. Like the smallest, almost 00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:31.760 like a pocket knife might even be like a slit 00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:34.539 or a cross in it. Yeah. Okay. Let's try it. We'll 00:57:34.539 --> 00:57:36.219 try it. We'll have to try it next time. Next 00:57:36.219 --> 00:57:40.219 time we do Italianas. But so far I wouldn't dissuade 00:57:40.219 --> 00:57:42.880 you from any of these. For the price point. For 00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:44.840 the price point. This one's been my least favorite 00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:48.679 of the three so far, but it kind of depends on 00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:51.239 personal taste and personal preference, I suppose. 00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:54.760 For sure. So, yeah, now we've talked about fluoride. 00:57:54.860 --> 00:57:58.940 Nate, you know, he says take fluoride directly 00:57:58.940 --> 00:58:02.159 and inject it into your baby's spine. Yeah, yeah. 00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:05.500 That's what his position is. Steal all your baby's 00:58:05.500 --> 00:58:08.059 stem cells and replace it with fluoride cells. 00:58:08.380 --> 00:58:11.880 And if you haven't done that as a baby, you should 00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:15.599 go to your local underpass and have one of the 00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:17.400 homeless people inject you straight into the 00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:20.059 vein with fluoride. Thank you for listening. 00:58:21.389 --> 00:58:23.389 Was that too much? That was too much. That was 00:58:23.389 --> 00:58:26.670 too much. I don't know. I don't know. Make up 00:58:26.670 --> 00:58:28.530 your own decision about fluoride. I don't think 00:58:28.530 --> 00:58:32.090 it's as nefarious as some media outlets would 00:58:32.090 --> 00:58:35.650 lead you to believe, but it might not also be 00:58:35.650 --> 00:58:38.550 as safe as other media outlets would lead you 00:58:38.550 --> 00:58:42.190 to believe. So fluoride, I figured out. Anyway, 00:58:42.329 --> 00:58:44.650 thanks for listening. Be safe. Have fun.