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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Mike.

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And I'm Nate.

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What are we smoking for episode one of season four?

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Episode one, we are going to smoke a nice stick.

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It's the Rocky Patel, the Edge A10.

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It's like the steak sauce, right?

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Yeah, that's right.

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10th anniversary Edge.

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This is a beautiful barber pole with a Connecticut wrapped with a Maduro leaf.

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It does look nice.

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The packaging is intense.

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Yes.

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It's very good.

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It feels not overly firm, but firm with a little sponge, which is kind of what you want.

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I think Mike and I are in person, so we're just fondling our sticks and looking at each

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other and also holding onto the cigar with the other hand.

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Absolutely.

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And we're both pairing this with some Guinness and Mike has a little bit of coffee left as

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well.

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It's typically earlier in the day than we typically record, which is fine.

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It is.

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And the coffee is a Nicaraguan dark roast with a shot of espresso in it.

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Nice.

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I'm liking the first few puffs of this, Mike.

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Have you smoked this one before?

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I have to admit, I got these cigars at an actual cigar lounge during my travels and

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it was a place that looked like a head shop and it was.

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We talked about it.

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It had laughing gas and all these like kratom and things that used to be illegal for sure.

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Like the Delta Vate stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like edibles and glass and all this stuff.

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But they had a massive humidor, probably the size of this room.

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Oh, nice.

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And I was like, I have never seen those, so I'm like five of them or whatever.

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Yeah, for sure.

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That was like a hundred and seventy dollar cigar trip.

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Sarah found some Havana honeys and stuff.

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But yeah, I did smoke one because I got it at a lounge.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Good deal.

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Liking it so far.

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It's got some spice, some good spice to it.

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It has an upper spice profile and that Connecticut leaf is actually really coming through.

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Yeah.

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You can get that mellowness, but then it's got a top note of spice.

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It's very interesting.

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This is what you want a barbapole to be, like where it's complex, you know.

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Not like the ogre.

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No, not like the ogre.

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I don't want to slam the ogre any more than we already did.

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For the listeners, because we forgot and I remember, we both rated the ogre as a four,

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which for a cigar that cost 15 bucks, wasn't that a 15 dollar cigar?

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Yeah, somewhere between like I think the 13.99 and 14.99 range, somewhere in there.

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That should be, I'm not saying it should be better than a four, but we've smoked so many

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cigars that are five dollars that are fours and fives.

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Fours and fives, yeah.

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It's a little disappointing.

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It was a little disappointing and you know, we did have the only other Asylum 13 we smoked,

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we both loved so much that it probably colored our opinions of the cigars that they make

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maybe.

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And if we came in with not as high as expectations, because it was a really good looking barbapole,

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we loved the previous cigar we'd smoked from them.

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So our expectations, even if we weren't expecting it to be phenomenal, were like subconsciously

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a little higher probably than normal.

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It would have been, but that's the same for this.

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I'm a big fan of the Rocky Patel Edge series and if this was bad, I would probably rate

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it a two.

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You know?

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Yep, yep, yep.

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For sure.

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So what are we going to talk about?

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Well, we started talking as we were setting up all the audio equipment, which is not that

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much, but we were setting it up and talking and we had both seen, and this is now March

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2025, so it's been out for months and I'm sure it's on streaming now and everything

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like that.

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But Mike and I had both seen, no, you haven't seen it.

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I have not seen Gladiator 2.

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I saw Gladiator 1.

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Okay, we're talking about Gladiator 2 and he was telling me some of his friends had

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some issues with it and I have some issues with it, though not the same as his friend

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who was saying that they didn't like it wasn't historically accurate.

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And my point was the first one wasn't terribly historically accurate either and so the second

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one kind of follows that same kind of veering off the main timeline alternate multiverse

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in ancient Rome, I guess.

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Pretty much.

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That's fairly accurate.

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And I...

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It's like historical fiction, you know?

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Yeah, it's historical fiction.

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It's loosely based on real people and things, but...

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It's totally fine to veer off and they're using real characters.

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I from what I understand, Demsel Washington's character was actually a real character.

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Obviously this Lucius guy, the name is real, but...

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Well, he was real, but he died.

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And then Maximus from the first one was kind of similar to Jesus in some scholars' eyes

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where he's kind of a combination of multiple people that were alive at the time.

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Maximus was...

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Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

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Yeah, some scholars also believe that about the character of Jesus where it was kind of

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they took several traveling preachers and kind of molded them into one to kind of unify

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behind.

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Yeah, and that wouldn't be the first instance of that happening in the ancient period.

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Not trying to piss everyone off episode one, but...

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No, no, no, no, no.

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History is weird because Gladiator and Gladiator 2 take place in the year 100 or something.

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So...

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180 should be right in there.

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Yeah, somewhere in there because...

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So I went to go see Gladiator and the night before I went to go see Gladiator, I watched...

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Or Gladiator 2.

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The night before I watched Gladiator 2, I was at home and I watched Gladiator Extended

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and then I went and watched Gladiator 2.

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And then the night after that, I watched the Extended Cut of Kingdom of Heaven.

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So it was like a three night Ridley Scott night.

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Sure.

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And not like Kingdom of Heaven 2, which I'm sure is not particularly historically accurate,

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but...

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Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know.

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I feel that it was less about the actual history.

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I mean, it takes place during one of the Crusades.

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It takes place a thousand years after Gladiator.

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It's just like 1100 something like that.

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Well, yeah, Saladin was a character.

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I think he was 1200s, 1100s.

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So they take, you know, I'm sure they take liberties as they always do.

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And I guess watch the Extended.

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I'd never seen it before and everything I read online was the theatrical is terrible.

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Watch the Extended, which adds about 45 minutes.

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So you're sitting at a three hour movie, but it's got Orlando Bloom, Liam Neeson, other

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people that are famous that I can't remember right now.

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Did that one have Omar Sharif?

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I can't remember.

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Of course, I'm going to be called names because I can't remember who played Saladin, but I

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thought it was Omar Sharif.

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Yeah, it was like, there was a great cast all around and a good story.

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I don't know that I'll watch it again because of it, because it's three hours and it's not

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as exciting as Lord of the Rings Extended.

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So probably devote my longer movie nights to that.

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But the point is in the first Gladiator, and this is where I really want Mike's opinion

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because this is the part that really kind of got me going against Gladiator 2.

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Gladiator 2 is a fine movie.

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The battle scenes are great.

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The CGI is not great, which is kind of silly because one of the trivia points for Gladiator

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was Ridley wanted to use a rhinoceros, but they didn't have any trained rhinoceros.

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CGI wasn't good enough, so they used the tigers in the Gladiator ring for the first one.

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Now CGI should be good enough to render a believable rhinoceros, and yet they chose

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So what do you do?

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That's an interesting criticism, I guess, or whatever.

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I had less issue with the rhino.

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I had more issue.

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I mean, the rhino didn't, rhino was not, but they put sharks in the Colosseum and the sharks

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looked really, really fakey.

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And it reminds me of that scene in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom where you've

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got that bridge.

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It's like 500,000 feet above the ocean, not the ocean, the river in this gorge.

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It's not really 500,000 feet, but it's like way up there, right?

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And they got this rope bridge across this canyon.

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Way down there's like real sharp rocks and a river.

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And you're like, well, hitting water at that height is concrete.

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You're going to die.

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And what did the filmmakers decide to do?

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They put in a bunch of alligators twisting and gnashing their teeth down there as if

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like the two things that would kill you, the rocks or the water, you need a third thing

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to make it more dangerous so you, the viewer at home knows it's bad to fall off of this

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Yeah, you got to up the danger level.

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So they put, they put, that's what they did in Gladiator 2 is they had like little ship

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replicas that they rode out into the thing and they had like 15 great white sharks, CGI

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swimming around terribly so that if you fell in the water, the shark would get you.

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And it's like, well, you're probably already have like an arrow or a sword through your

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So how much of the shark do you need?

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And I don't know if that's historically accurate.

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How would they catch sharks?

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I don't know if the sharks are historically accurate.

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I know that they did flood the Colosseum.

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Oh, I know that too.

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I just don't know that they put sharks in there.

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They did have Greek fire and they did use Greek fire in the Colosseum to my understanding,

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which we don't know the exact, it's kind of like ancient napalm.

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So they would light the ships on fire and they would light the top of the water on fire.

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That would have been cooler to see.

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And that would be slightly more accurate.

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So in the first Gladiator and Mike, you can tell me if you remember differently, because

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I had a little discussion with my buddy where he was leaning one way and I was leaning the

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The between, is it Lucila?

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Commodus' sister.

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Now her son Lucius, she kept saying his father is dead.

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And one of the very first scenes that we see her, it's on the battlefield when Commodus

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and Lucila come to the battlefield to see Marcus Aurelius, the general who's dying or

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being killed.

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Which never happened, by the way.

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Commodus never went to the battlefield.

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And actually Commodus and Marcus co-ruled for several years before Marcus Aurelius did

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die in his military tent.

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The cause is yet unknown.

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It could have been the plague, which was on at the time.

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It could have been that he was old.

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Could have been murdered.

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Could have just been old too.

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He lived a long life.

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That's some speculation.

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The moral of the story is that Commodus was nowhere near.

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And the other moral of the story is the first thing, one of the first things Maximus says

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to Lucila is, I'm sorry to hear about your husband who had just apparently died or recently

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died.

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And then they're talking about whatever.

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And you can kind of get the inklings a little bit of, like there's a history there, but

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you don't really know what the history is.

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And then he goes, how old is your son now?

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And she goes, oh, he's about eight.

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And he says, same age as my son.

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And then of course she kind of comes onto him more throughout the movie, but they made

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the very conscious decision according to the commentary and other statements that they've

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made to not make it a sexual relationship because they wanted to have the murdered wife

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and son and him trying to get back to see them in the afterlife, the forefront of the

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story and not trying to-

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Sex intrigue or they wanted him to be unlike the rest of Rome, which is pure and morally

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straight and whatever.

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They wanted Maximus to be the only good guy in the bad system.

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The ideal.

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And in the second one, so we know Lucius is eight in the first one, according to the dialogue

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in the first one.

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Right.

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In the second one, Lucille is saying, oh yeah, when Maximus was doing all the Maximus stuff,

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Lucius was only 12.

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So they're adding four years onto him.

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See, that to me is problematic because now you have a history that is a canon, if you

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will, in your fake universe.

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Yeah.

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If you can't follow your fake rules-

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You have to have rules in your story.

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Why are you making the second one?

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Yeah.

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Otherwise, nothing makes sense.

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And then they not only doubled down, but they triple quadrupled down on saying that Lucius

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is honest to God, Maximus's son, which had been a fan theory since the first movie came

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out, but there was no real proof.

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And my buddy was saying like, well, at the end of the first one, he asks if Lucius is

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safe.

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So it must be his son.

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I said, man, this is a guy that lost his wife and his child and he has no child and his

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dying thoughts are of his child.

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And he's of course, he's going to ask about somebody else's child, especially since that

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child came and saw him in the gladiator cage.

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Right.

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I agree with your interpretation.

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This is a phenomenon and I know you've heard of it.

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It's called shipping.

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We had a whole episode on shipping.

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Yeah, it's called shipping.

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You have a memory except for the stuff we talk about on the show.

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With my defense, I'm not always in the clearest frame of mind at times when we do the show.

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Same.

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Short term memory loss and all that, if you know what I mean.

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But shipping.

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Shipping, yeah, it's shipping.

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That's not cool.

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Or you want characters that don't have anything going on, but you want them to be in a relationship

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and then you create a whole fan fiction story of that.

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Sometimes just in your head, it's not really like a full story to be published, but you're

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just like, oh, that'd be so hot if those two were like.

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Oh, sure.

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In Harry Potter when we were younger, that was a huge, the shipping was a huge online

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fan fiction writing thing, which I used to read Harry Potter fan fiction.

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Used to?

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What's that over here on the table?

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Snape's secret chamber.

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Snape and Hermione everybody, it's real.

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And it was interesting because right before they fully came out and said it multiple times,

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there were two other characters.

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It doesn't really matter.

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If you've seen the movie, great.

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But there's two other characters and they were kind of, well, one was Denzel Washington's

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character and one of the other, I don't know, senators or statesmen or something.

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They were talking about Lucius and they were like, well, I heard.

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Then they were saying that Lucilla was forced into an arranged marriage when she was 14

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years old and she was already pregnant or something.

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And the husband they chose for her didn't like women.

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And then they suspected that it was Commodus that was actually the father because he had

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a really weird incestuous fascination with her through the first film.

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Yes.

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So they took the characteristics from Caracalla and put it onto Commodus from what I understand.

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This is of course my memory serving me because I believe Caracalla did actually marry his

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sister.

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Could be.

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I know Commodus was actually liked by the people for a bit until he started using grain

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to pay for gladiator games and stuff like that.

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Yeah.

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He was pretty popular when he first started.

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And then he got kind of egotistical and started naming things after himself.

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Yeah.

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There's speculation that he might've had a disease that caused him to lose his mind

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somewhere during the middle part of his reign because he was emperor for like 10 years.

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He continued doing the Marcus Aurelius stuff for the first five years and then it went

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downhill.

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Yeah.

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So there was that speculation put out in there because I'm sure they wanted to nip that fan

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theory in the bud so they could drop their big bombshell which is Lucius's Marcus Aurelius's

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or not Marcus Aurelius, Maximus, I can't remember the full name.

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And it's weird because every time they say anything about Lucius's father, they use Maximus's

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full fucking name.

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Right.

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The full one, not just Maximus, the full one.

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And it's very kind of like distracting because you're sitting there and then it's like, okay,

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Lucius's father is Maximus blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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And you're like, okay, I saw the first one.

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You can just say Maximus.

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But every single time either Lucius or Lucilla or anybody talked about Maximus, it was the

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full fucking name.

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Maximus Decimus Meridius.

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Yes.

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I mean, I knew it was something like that, but I didn't want to say Aurelius because

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all the Antinine Emperors, there was a series of five, they all had the last name Aurelius

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which they were all adopted.

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Real history is all interesting.

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Way too confusing to put into a movie.

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Probably yes.

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So they made all this and then so you're sitting there and I'm sure everybody else is just

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like, oh, I knew it, I knew it.

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That's what Ridley's hoping everybody thinks.

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And I'm like, okay, so if the kids are the same age, is he just banging two women at

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the same time?

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Then why did he, like, what's the story of how they weren't together anymore?

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And they were civil to each other the whole first film.

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So what the-

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Right.

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Well, and in Rome, you would never name a son after the mother.

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The son would be named after the father or after a male relative that was famous.

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It'd be Marcus.

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They would name their son Marcus after her father.

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You know what I mean?

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Or whatever.

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And then they added all this extra political stuff.

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And the first movie is very subtly political.

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There's a lot of politics moving going on in the first Gladiator.

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And they tried to add all this like kind of superficial politics.

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And what happens is after the events of the first one, they show you through de-aging

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and using other actors, maybe, or maybe it's a deleted scene from the first one or something.

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Right after Maximus, Decimus, what have you, dies, Lucille takes Lucius and they run outside

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the Colosseum and she gives him to like a Roman guard and says, take him away.

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He's got to go because he's at risk right now.

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And then the movie Gladiator 2 starts with this character who's obviously Lucius, but

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he goes by a different name.

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And then he has a fucking flashback showing his mom, which is obviously her.

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And then she comes to confront him and say she's his mother.

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And he goes, I have no mother.

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And then later there's a big like, it feels like it was meant to be a gotcha moment.

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Like it totally is Lucius.

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We all know it now.

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And it's like, no, that was known from like the first frame of the film.

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Basically, he's credited as Lucius in the movie.

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Like you look at the IMDB page and go, oh, who's in this movie?

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Oh yeah, so and so Lucius.

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Like it's not really a secret.

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Right.

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Unless you're not going to reveal the cast before the film comes out or whatever.

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Or bill him, credit him as the other name.

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And then nobody knows who it is until later.

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But one, why would he be at risk?

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He was the, with the passing of Commodus, he was the emperor.

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Yeah, he would have been.

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Yeah.

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And the royal guard would have been true to him.

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Right.

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He would have been.

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And then his mother would have been the regent.

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The acting regent until he became of age to take full control or whatever.

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Right?

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Right.

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This is not how real history turned out, by the way, everybody.

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But real history is Commodus was killed by the head of the Praetorian guard.

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Yeah.

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Who then took over for a bit.

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Who then took over and so on and so forth.

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But yeah, if the story, in the universe of the story, the child would have been the new

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emperor.

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Yeah, it's the new emperor and there wouldn't have been anything.

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And people would have likely been pretty happy because the child probably wouldn't have kept

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the games going or his mother's counsel.

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And this is the grandson of the greatest emperor that the empire had ever had.

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Yeah.

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It was extremely popular.

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Yeah.

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Extremely popular.

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So then Lucius has to come back and go through the exact same plot points as the first gladiator.

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So he gets captured after a battle and has to go through the gladiator ring and blah,

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blah, blah and all that stuff.

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And it's like, well, one, it doesn't matter who his father is.

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You should have done the Blade Runner.

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Does it matter if Deckard's a replicant or not?

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No.

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And thank God Blade Runner 2049 didn't come down on either side of the line.

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They kept it gray on purpose.

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I never watched the Blade Runner 2049.

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Okay.

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I should have watched it.

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It's really good.

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Yeah, I should have watched it.

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It's really good.

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That's one sequel that's really good.

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Like, you know, sequel with a long time span in between.

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Right.

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I try to get my wife into watching old school sci-fi and she doesn't have the attention

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span to pay to the details.

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Yeah.

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The older, the more classic sci-fis are a lot less action and a lot more like intrigue

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and dialogue and what's going on.

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I had her watch Soylent Green with me and she was like, it's okay.

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It's payfall.

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What do you mean it's okay?

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It's one of the greatest movies ever.

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Did you do Logan's Run?

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No, I should never watch it.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, so anyway, then they were trying to make this whole point and they were trying

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to make him being Maximus's son very important.

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And I'm sitting here the whole time going, this is Marcus Aurelius's grandson for God

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sakes.

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He's the rightful heir to the throne.

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Right.

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He has a built in power base for sure.

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He doesn't need to be Marcus's son.

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Right.

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He can still be a fan of Marcus because he met him as a child, right?

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He can still idolize Marcus and do all the Marcus things that he does in the film.

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But Marcus doesn't have, or not Marcus, I'm sorry, Maximus.

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But Maximus doesn't have to be his dad.

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He can still idolize Maximus and what he did in the Coliseum and not have to be related

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to him.

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He's already related to Marcus Aurelius.

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He doesn't need an additional like badass relationship.

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Yeah.

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His backstory is he's the grandson of the greatest emperor who's ever lived.

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Right?

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Like that's...

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And the way the movie ended, because he of course wins and takes power and reverts everything

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back to the Senate, power of the Senate.

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And they did a little like title card at the beginning, kind of setting the stage for the

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historical whatever, right?

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And they did the same thing with gladiator, you know, Marcus Aurelius was fighting this

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war, blah, blah, blah.

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And I have expected, because it was such like a feel good, happy, happy ending.

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I want, I was expecting them to put up a little title card that said, and there were no wars

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or pain or suffering ever again in Rome.

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It's like they finally achieved the vision of Rome that Marcus Aurelius' dying wish in

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gladiator one was.

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Right.

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It's like, oh, now we're in utopia and nothing bad will ever happen again.

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And we're all happy.

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So it just didn't make sense for them to shoehorn in that kind of relationship with Maximus

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because he already had acclaimed everything.

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He can still idolize Maximus.

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Well, and they had a built in story, let's just say in this fake universe where they

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were fighting the Germans who were fighting the Saracens on their border.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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And they're just pushing migration and they could have done a historical action film based

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on more real events and not shoehorned in modern politics.

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Well, and I don't even care.

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I don't even care if they wanted to do a gladiator two and close out the story of Lucius and,

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you know, Lucilla, Lucia, whatever.

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And that's fine.

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And like close it out.

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But you don't have to shoehorn in and change the age of the kid from the first one to try

492
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,720
and make your shipping thing work.

493
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:52,720
Right?

494
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,720
Right.

495
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:58,320
Like maybe they did have a relationship, but the other possibility is Marcus Aurelius viewed

496
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,520
Maximus as a son.

497
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,200
So he's obviously been around the family for a long period of time.

498
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,200
Right.

499
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,200
Potentially.

500
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,200
Potentially.

501
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,200
You could make that part of the story.

502
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,820
Now in gladiator one, Marcus asks Maximus to describe his home.

503
00:21:11,820 --> 00:21:15,800
So he's never been to his house, but that doesn't mean they haven't been together for

504
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:16,800
a long time.

505
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,440
He's a general, so they could know each other from work.

506
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,440
Yeah, from work.

507
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,720
They stop off for beers after slaying the Germans.

508
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:28,040
In real life, Marcus Aurelius lived, what, like 20 years on the battlefield?

509
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,800
Most of his life was spent fighting wars actively.

510
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:39,680
So there's no reason for him to have gone to Spain to the plantation of his general.

511
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:44,480
So he viewed him as a son, and of course through the 20 years or whatever of battle, that's

512
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,040
still a long time and whatever.

513
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,680
That's enough for him to be a family friend and to possibly potentially have seen Lucius

514
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:51,680
be born.

515
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:52,680
For sure.

516
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,360
There's no reason to think that they wouldn't have met each other because Spain to the Danube

517
00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:00,460
River is a long distance on horseback.

518
00:22:00,460 --> 00:22:01,960
It's a car trip now.

519
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:02,960
Yeah.

520
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:03,960
Yeah.

521
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:09,440
So I mean, there's all sorts of other explanations that make way more sense than Marcus Aurelius

522
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,120
was banging two women at the same time, but he really liked the one versus the other.

523
00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:17,560
They both had sons, but he only liked the one that got killed and didn't like the other

524
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:18,560
one.

525
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:19,800
That doesn't even make any sense.

526
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,080
That's so out of character for how they portrayed Maximus in the first one.

527
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,080
It's out of character and-

528
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,600
It doesn't even make any sense.

529
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,040
Your mistress is not going to be the daughter of the emperor.

530
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,040
That's not how that works, right?

531
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,040
Yeah.

532
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,040
It's the other way.

533
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,040
It's the other way.

534
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,320
Yeah, the other way is how it works.

535
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:42,440
So at any rate, Gladiator 2 puts a bad taste in my mouth because it's like trying to drag

536
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,560
Gladiator 1 through the mud a bit, or like he's not being faithful to his own story in

537
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:47,560
the first one.

538
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,560
Right.

539
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,160
Gladiator 1 is on the edge of being a classic film.

540
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,480
And Gladiator 1 doesn't need a sequel.

541
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,440
Just like, guess what else doesn't need a sequel?

542
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:55,440
Braveheart.

543
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,440
What are they going to do?

544
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:57,440
They're making a sequel to Braveheart?

545
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,440
They're not making a sequel to Braveheart, but it's like your main character from your

546
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:01,560
movie dies.

547
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,560
Let's make a sequel.

548
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:03,560
Right.

549
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:04,560
Who wants to see that?

550
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,760
I mean, the sequel is about Robert the Bruce.

551
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,040
I mean, it's the same with Gladiator because Maximus dies.

552
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,480
And then they're like, years later, 24 years later, let's make a sequel to Gladiator.

553
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,320
Oh, but our badass main character is dead.

554
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:22,080
So let's just reinvent him as the son of Lucilla and go from there.

555
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,400
And it's like, okay, but you could make a really interesting story or you could do what

556
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,160
you did and make it not good.

557
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,160
Right, right, right.

558
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,440
And people, this is a total aside, I guess.

559
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:36,760
They criticized the grandson of the emperor marrying some random woman who is the only

560
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:42,580
woman in the Roman army, which at the time, the Saracens were still active and they did

561
00:23:42,580 --> 00:23:44,920
have women in their armies, most likely.

562
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:45,920
Right.

563
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:46,920
It's pretty rare.

564
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,920
Yeah.

565
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,480
Well, and I did read that the female archers in Gladiator 1 riding on the chariots was

566
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,480
historically accurate.

567
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:54,480
Oh, yeah.

568
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,480
They did have female archers.

569
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,480
Oh, yeah.

570
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:57,480
It's not that they didn't exist.

571
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,040
But I think that it's rare in the historical record to have it happen.

572
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,040
Yeah.

573
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,080
So we've been talking for about half an hour about Gladiator 2, which is actually not the

574
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,080
topic of the episode.

575
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,080
We're going to get there.

576
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,080
And you got some weird canoeing.

577
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,600
I got some weird, it's uneven.

578
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,160
The first half of the cigar, I kind of didn't rotate it.

579
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,160
So it's my fault.

580
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,480
So now I'm kind of smoking off.

581
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,200
I'm getting it even by smoking.

582
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,200
Yeah.

583
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,200
I'm going to get a picture.

584
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,280
You get your face in there.

585
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,980
People want to see you.

586
00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:25,840
Our Instagram followers want to know.

587
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:26,840
Okay.

588
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,800
Check our Instagram for that spicy pic from Mike.

589
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:30,800
Yeah, exactly.

590
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:31,800
And yeah.

591
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,840
So anyway, the whole point of this is we just happen to be talking about Gladiator 2 before

592
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,120
we started recording.

593
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:41,000
And my topic is on movies anyway.

594
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,440
And I don't want to go through all of the topic because there's so many of these films

595
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,080
that I'm not going to go through all of them.

596
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,680
So it's okay that we talked about it.

597
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:54,080
And it provides Gladiator 2, provides a really nice segue into my topic because before Gladiator

598
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,400
2, and I don't know if I told you this, Mike, we sat down.

599
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,800
And this is theater specific.

600
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,560
So I don't know why this theater chose to do this.

601
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,360
But before the movie, you know, they do those animations where it's like, go drink Coca

602
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,800
Cola, silence your phones.

603
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,240
Here's the upcoming attractions.

604
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,440
So they had a 50 year old hipster guy just on camera, I guess.

605
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,260
And he's like, okay, before the main movie starts, we're going to watch some trailers.

606
00:25:15,260 --> 00:25:19,700
And what these are, they're previews for movies that are coming up soon.

607
00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:20,700
So don't worry.

608
00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:23,040
The main feature is going to start in about 10 minutes.

609
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,700
And I turned to my buddy and like, are people that dumb now?

610
00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:26,960
They don't know what a trailer is?

611
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:32,360
Like, we have to have somebody explain to us like, I thought we paid for Gladiator 2.

612
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,600
I'm seeing I'm seeing something else up here.

613
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,440
This is not Gladiator 2 up there.

614
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,440
That's whatever.

615
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,400
Like, I don't what?

616
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,440
Maybe because it's a blockbuster, you know, like we went to the showing of Fifth Element.

617
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,640
Yeah, which I thought we were going to talk about today.

618
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,280
So that's what I that was my, I watched we watched that.

619
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,780
I was invited by my buddy to go, but I couldn't go.

620
00:25:51,780 --> 00:25:55,280
And it was one of the few days my wife was off work until we wanted to do family time

621
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,820
and we couldn't both go because we didn't have a sitter for the kids.

622
00:25:57,820 --> 00:26:00,520
So we just watched it on Blu-ray and I think it was my first time seeing it on Blu-ray.

623
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:01,520
Sure.

624
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,520
Which was amazing, by the way.

625
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,240
Leon the Professional is still my favorite Luc Besson film, I think.

626
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,760
Leon the Professional is a great film.

627
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:12,120
I think that I like the Fifth Element more, but that's more my style of movie anyway.

628
00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:13,120
Fifth Element is great.

629
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:14,120
Fifth Element is great.

630
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:15,120
Yeah, yeah.

631
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:16,120
There's no there's no wrong answer.

632
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:17,120
No, no, no.

633
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:19,080
There's no wrong answer is what I'm saying here.

634
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,920
And we talked about that off air a little bit.

635
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:22,920
But anyway.

636
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:23,920
Yeah.

637
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:29,160
So before so one of these trailers, this foreign concept to me, nobody had ever explained it

638
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,160
to me before.

639
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,640
I had no idea why we're watching other mini movies before the main movie.

640
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:33,640
That's sarcasm.

641
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,920
One of the trailers was for the new Nosferatu.

642
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:41,040
Oh, which by the time this episode comes out, we'll be out because it comes out December

643
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,040
where it came.

644
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,040
I'm sorry.

645
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,040
Travel back in time.

646
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,920
Nosferatu came out December 25th of last year.

647
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,360
And we're recording this beforehand.

648
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,160
So neither of us have seen the new one.

649
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,320
But the trailer for Nosferatu is fantastic.

650
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,360
Oh, I really enjoyed the trailer for Nosferatu.

651
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:59,640
And I had never seen the original 1922 film.

652
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,320
And I managed to find one of the best restorations of this film is the BFI British Film Institute

653
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,560
Restoration of the film.

654
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,720
And what Nosferatu did was they would they colorized the scenes so you could tell it's

655
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:11,720
a black and white film 1922.

656
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,880
But you could tell when it was when it was daytime and nighttime, which is important

657
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,240
when you're dealing with vampires.

658
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,240
Right.

659
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:22,840
But Nosferatu is an unauthorized retelling of Bram Stoker Stoker's Dracula, which was

660
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,240
published in 1897.

661
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,000
This movie came out in 1922.

662
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,000
And what ended up happening, and this is going to lead us into our into our thing.

663
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:35,400
What happened was Bram Stoker's widow went after the filmmaker for making a film and

664
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,080
profiting off of her late husband's work.

665
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,080
Right.

666
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,080
Which makes sense.

667
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,080
And she won.

668
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,200
Oh, I did know that she won because they did hide the film.

669
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:50,760
I watched Nosferatu on AMC movie channel when they released it.

670
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,600
Sure, it was like 80 year, 100 year, something like that anniversary.

671
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,680
So I watched it live on TV.

672
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:57,680
Yeah.

673
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,640
Part of the settlement was all copies of the film were to be destroyed.

674
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:01,640
And so they did.

675
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,960
But it had wide release, I guess, for the time 1922.

676
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,440
And they ended up finding copies of it to restore it and come back.

677
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,960
So I thought what a fun topic would be would be if we talk about other films that were

678
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:23,480
either lost or thought to be lost and then found because Nosferatu is one.

679
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,640
Another one that I heard of was there's this movie that was only ever viewable as a Mystery

680
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,600
Science Theater 3000.

681
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,320
And it's called Manos, the Hands of Fate.

682
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,680
And it was the original print was thought to be lost.

683
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:36,920
Everything was thought to be lost.

684
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,520
There was no HD version of it.

685
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,200
It was only some like, I don't know, crappy VHS copies maybe.

686
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,000
Or maybe there was only what the Mystery Science Theater 3000 people used.

687
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:54,840
But some film student found from Florida State, Ben Solovee in 2011, found a work print of

688
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,000
the film in a 16 millimeter film collection that he had bought.

689
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,400
And then he restored that for high definition.

690
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,600
So that one was another one that was thought to be lost.

691
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,680
It's a terrible, terrible movie.

692
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,840
It's one of those sharks of the corn ask right movies.

693
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,120
It's from 1966.

694
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,120
Okay.

695
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,800
Now, I am well over halfway done with my cigar.

696
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:14,800
Nate is not.

697
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,880
I don't know how I'm smoking so much faster than you were live in person.

698
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:19,880
And I am just miles ahead.

699
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,680
Well, you're trying to correct your issue, your burn issue.

700
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,240
So you're adding more flame and stuff.

701
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,240
That is true.

702
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,680
I'm doing more talking because up until now, I've been the one that's seen these movies

703
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,680
that we're talking about.

704
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,480
Gladiator 2.

705
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:33,480
That is true.

706
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,480
So I'm over halfway and I really like the cigar.

707
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,000
I think it's exactly what I want it to be.

708
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,360
It's got the flavor profile of a spicy dark cigar.

709
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,680
It's got that undertone still of the more mellow Connecticut.

710
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,080
I think it's working for me really well.

711
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,200
It is also working for me.

712
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,760
I like this one a lot and it's tasty.

713
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:54,760
I like it.

714
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,000
I'm going to try and catch up with Mike, I guess, but not too much because I don't want

715
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,600
to ruin the flavor of anything.

716
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:07,000
But right now, let us very smoky, not as smoky as the Corojo, but very small or any Nika

717
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,000
Roostika.

718
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,000
Yeah, not that smoky.

719
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,000
Those are real smoky, which I love.

720
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,000
Those are insanity.

721
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,000
Those are awesome.

722
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,600
Yeah, they are insanity.

723
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,280
So yeah, I don't know.

724
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,720
We can go through the Lost films.

725
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,400
Did you see Alien Romulus yet?

726
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,120
Okay, well, we can talk.

727
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,240
Maybe we'll just do a movie review on Alien Romulus.

728
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,640
We can because I want to get Sarah to watch the Alien series, which I believe is now available

729
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,640
on Disney+.

730
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,600
Yeah, Alien Romulus is on Disney+.

731
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,400
Yeah, I think all of the Alien movies are now.

732
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,360
You mean all of them being Alien, Aliens, and Alien Romulus?

733
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,360
Yes.

734
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:40,360
Okay.

735
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,360
Yes.

736
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,360
Three and four, they didn't happen.

737
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,360
Specifically four.

738
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,360
Four did not happen.

739
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:45,360
Specifically four.

740
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,360
Yeah, yeah.

741
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,360
Alien Romulus is the new one and I haven't seen that.

742
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,360
Yeah.

743
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,240
Alien Romulus takes place between Alien and Aliens in the chronology.

744
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,240
Okay, interesting.

745
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,960
So maybe we'll do an Alien, Aliens, Alien Romulus review.

746
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,600
Yeah, we can definitely do that.

747
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,480
So I want to talk more about Lost films.

748
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:06,040
And so there's a whole bunch of films, according to Martin Scorsese's Film Foundation, they

749
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:12,160
claimed in 2017 that half of all American films made before 1950 and over 90% of films

750
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,600
made before 1929 are lost forever.

751
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:20,180
And now they used a very volatile substance, the nitrate film, stock.

752
00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:24,200
So you just had to look at that and think about fire and they would catch fire.

753
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,200
Yes, I did.

754
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,680
I was aware of that issue, surprisingly enough.

755
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:34,200
Which was used to great fanfare in Gloria's Bastards, Quentin Tarantino's in Gloria's

756
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:39,240
Bastards where they burned down the film house that has Hitler and all the people in it.

757
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,180
Yeah, not to stay on the subject, but have you seen those AI videos of Hitler in English?

758
00:31:44,180 --> 00:31:45,180
It's very interesting.

759
00:31:45,180 --> 00:31:46,180
No, I haven't.

760
00:31:46,180 --> 00:31:47,180
Very interesting.

761
00:31:47,180 --> 00:31:51,280
Because yeah, like our perception of his speeches are very violent, of course.

762
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,280
But they're not.

763
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,280
Because they're in German.

764
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,320
Yeah, but they're in German and he's like screaming and yelling and we're not really

765
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,800
accustomed to that style of oration in this country.

766
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,720
But he's talking about standard economic issues.

767
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,320
It's very not like, yeah, let's go and commit a genocide.

768
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,320
It's more like, oh yeah.

769
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,840
You can't bill it as a genocide.

770
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,320
It's a picnic and oh, it got out of hand.

771
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,760
Yeah, it's all about economic issues and bringing Germany back from the brink and things that

772
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,560
were arguably true.

773
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:20,560
You know what I mean?

774
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:21,560
You could make the argument.

775
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,800
Well, if you do any research and I'm not trying to say Hitler's a good guy, but if you do

776
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,680
the research on how he kind of came to power as he was saying things that people were thinking

777
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,800
and he found a scapegoat to blame all their problems on and then he went after them.

778
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:35,800
Basically that.

779
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,600
I mean, you know, watered down very like simplistic view of how it happened.

780
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,600
I'm sure there's more.

781
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,600
People were dumb then just like they're dumb now.

782
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,800
The nuances of political reality were discussed in that public forum.

783
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:47,800
Yeah, yeah.

784
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,800
There weren't internet videos and AI and stuff like that back then either.

785
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,280
So what do you do?

786
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,520
I will say that I have noticed a little bit of an uneven burn, not terribly uneven on

787
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,000
this and I wonder if it's just if that's how barber poles typically are.

788
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,680
We didn't have that issue with the ogre.

789
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:02,680
I don't think.

790
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,280
No, no, I didn't have that issue with the ogre.

791
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,200
I haven't found that to be an issue overall.

792
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,480
Yeah, it might just be the way we're smoking because we're in person and talking and having

793
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,480
a good time.

794
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,640
Yes, as we always do.

795
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,640
Yeah.

796
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,080
So there's some some notable ones that I had not really ever heard of, but they have cultural

797
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,080
importance.

798
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,680
So the second film ever directed by Alfred Hitchcock is Lost, The Mountain Eagle.

799
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,760
It was a 1926 film.

800
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:30,600
There's a silent melodrama that has been described by the British Film Institute as their most

801
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,360
wanted lost film.

802
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:39,960
It's called London After Midnight starring Lon Chaney from 1927 and, oh no, The Mountain

803
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,460
Eagle was BFI's most wanted and then London After Midnight is a kind of the holy grail

804
00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:47,720
of lost films by film collectors worldwide.

805
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:53,080
There was a 1923 silent comedy film that featured over 30 cameo appearances from major stars

806
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,760
of the day, but no footage exists.

807
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:56,760
That film was called Hollywood.

808
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,680
And then there's other and that one included Roscoe, Fatty Arbuckle, Charlie Chaplin, Mary

809
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,840
Astor and Pola Negri.

810
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,280
There's no footage left remaining of that film unless somebody has it in their wine

811
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,280
cellar and has been preserved for decades.

812
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,280
Right.

813
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,880
That's always a possibility, especially with these older films, you know, rich people back

814
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,280
in the day with rat hole things.

815
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,280
Yeah.

816
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,160
And then we have here from Screen Rant is a list of 10 lost movies and how they were

817
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,160
rediscovered.

818
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,800
So we're going to try and end the episode on them being rediscovered.

819
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,800
Sure.

820
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,280
And there's more lost movies we could go through, but again, they go by era and I'm not overly

821
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,280
familiar.

822
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,840
I'm a film graduate film student, not overly familiar with kind of obscure slash lost films

823
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,840
from the 1910s, 1920s.

824
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:38,840
Yeah.

825
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,840
That's like a doc.

826
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,280
I'm sure there's a professor somewhere that has a doctorate in this subject.

827
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,280
Yeah.

828
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,280
That's a specialist.

829
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,280
You know, that's a specialized thing.

830
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:52,160
I'd be more interested in the 1950s and beyond sci-fi, you know, like that's, you know, like

831
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,160
was it Barbarella?

832
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,160
Right.

833
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,160
Yep.

834
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,160
You know, like stuff like that.

835
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,160
Forbidden Planet.

836
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,160
Yeah.

837
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,160
Show me those classic like...

838
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,160
What is it?

839
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,160
Something from Planet Nine.

840
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,160
Yeah.

841
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,160
Yeah.

842
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,160
Yeah.

843
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,160
That's the stuff I'm interested in.

844
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,120
Not necessarily lost films from the 19 whatever.

845
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,120
Right.

846
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,080
So the first one on this list is The Passion of Joan of Arc from 1928.

847
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,200
I guess it's one of the must watch movies from the silent film era.

848
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:20,960
I really like Charlie Chaplin's Gold Rush, but it's important because he kind of, he

849
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,280
pulled a George Lucas on it.

850
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,600
He kept re-editing it and he added sound to it.

851
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,840
One sound was a thing.

852
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,760
If you get the Criterion or Kitterin, however it's pronounced, Criterion collection.

853
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:31,760
Criterion collection.

854
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,760
We had that for a while.

855
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:33,760
Yeah.

856
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,080
It's a special feature on the DVD, the, or on the Blu-ray.

857
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,360
The main one is the sound version.

858
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,360
Oh, that's cool.

859
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,440
So watch the one that's the original one with the title cards and the silence.

860
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,360
It's very well done and it's not as much a comedy as one would think.

861
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,600
I mean, of course there's the comedic stuff cause it's Chaplin.

862
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,600
Right, right.

863
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,720
So Joan of Arc, the last existing copy of The Passion of Joan of Arc was lost in a fire

864
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:57,280
and everybody thought it was done.

865
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,800
It was gone, gone for all time.

866
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,640
And the Archbishop, the movie drew a lot of controversy.

867
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,640
So I guess the Archbishop of Paris called for a ban of the film.

868
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:14,120
But in 1981, so 20, what, 20, 28 to 1981, a full cut of the movie was discovered in

869
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,280
the Dykemark Mental Hospital in Oslo, Norway in a janitor's closet.

870
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,080
That sounds about right.

871
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,080
Yeah.

872
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,640
So now it's back and now you can watch it.

873
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:23,640
Nice.

874
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,000
And I think there was some weird, there's some weird history in the film world where

875
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,080
there are pre-ban films and post-ban films.

876
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,080
Haze Code.

877
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,080
Yep.

878
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,080
Yep.

879
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,920
It's a film noir, pre-Haze Code, and it is extremely adult.

880
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:38,920
Yes.

881
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:39,920
Yes.

882
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,120
Like as adult as an 80s sci-fi film.

883
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,120
Yes.

884
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,120
Right.

885
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,880
Which were notoriously like dark and...

886
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,360
Well, and basically in some cases, soft-core porn.

887
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,360
Yeah.

888
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,360
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

889
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,160
It was like the era of the NC-17 feature film for sure.

890
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

891
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,160
Yeah, yeah.

892
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,160
Okay.

893
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,240
What if we build this great set and then you guys just bang?

894
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:01,240
Yep.

895
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:02,240
We'll film it.

896
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:03,240
I love it.

897
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:06,160
Why don't we just see your bush and titties with blood on them?

898
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,160
Yeah, yeah.

899
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,160
Let's do that.

900
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,160
All right.

901
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,160
Awake in Fright from 1971.

902
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,480
I guess it's adapted from a 1961 novel, the same name.

903
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,480
It's a psychological thriller.

904
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,600
A teacher who loses all his morals getting stranded in a strange town.

905
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,080
Upon release, 15 minutes were cut due to being too graphic.

906
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,960
It's an Australian film, but it was a lost film.

907
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:25,960
So I don't know.

908
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,320
It doesn't say how it got lost, but they've been searching for the movie because a lot

909
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,280
of people wanted to see it because people had seen it and then it disappeared from the

910
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,560
popular view or whatever.

911
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,600
Nobody knew where any cuts were of it.

912
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,520
And they found it in 2004 when a producer found the negatives in a shipping container

913
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,960
with the label Ford Destruction.

914
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,160
And the container was found in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania of all places.

915
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,160
Oh, hey.

916
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,320
So just a shipping container that maybe had been at sea for all those years.

917
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,320
I don't know.

918
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,440
Well, you get these big shipyards and I'm sure there's corners.

919
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,440
Sure, yeah.

920
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,440
There's corners that just-

921
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,880
Yeah, you just put stuff back there.

922
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:05,840
The one guy retires and that section wasn't on the tour for the new foreman or whatever.

923
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,520
Yeah, it's just like, oh yeah, this is kind of our junk pile.

924
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,880
When we slow down, we'll take care of it.

925
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,160
We'll get to it.

926
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,960
40 years later, oh, okay.

927
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:14,960
It's time now.

928
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:15,960
Pretty slow now.

929
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:16,960
Pretty slow now.

930
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,600
The next one is Incubus and it looks like it's a William Shatner film from 1966.

931
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,480
It's a remote village and there's a well in this remote village that can heal the sick

932
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,320
people and make people more beautiful.

933
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,840
So a little bit of like kind of fountain of life, fountain of youth type of thing.

934
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,920
It's a unique film and everybody mourned its loss.

935
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:40,840
It was one of the few movies ever to be filmed in the constructed auxiliary language of Esperanto,

936
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,640
but it came without subtitles.

937
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,560
So they made up a language, didn't give subtitles, so the audience had to figure it out what

938
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,360
was going on for themselves.

939
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:57,080
But a copy was found at the Cinematheque in Paris in 1966.

940
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,360
So that one was missing for 30 years.

941
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,380
I know one person that speaks Esperanto and he went to school for Russian.

942
00:39:03,380 --> 00:39:04,380
So it was like-

943
00:39:04,380 --> 00:39:05,380
Of course you know one person.

944
00:39:05,380 --> 00:39:06,380
Yeah.

945
00:39:06,380 --> 00:39:11,840
I went to college with a guy who was my roommate for like a year and he was an Esperanto speaker.

946
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:19,880
He felt for sure when we were 19 and high, for sure Esperanto was going to take off.

947
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,640
And now nobody in America speaks anything other than English and poorly at that.

948
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,640
Right.

949
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:32,560
It's like automation because being a Russian speaker, this is like not a job anymore at

950
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,560
least.

951
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,560
And you list your accomplishments.

952
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:35,560
I'm fluent in Esperanto.

953
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:36,560
I'm fluent in Esperanto.

954
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,040
So and of course nowadays I'm sure if you found this movie, you could find the subtitles

955
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,920
online that would translate to English.

956
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,960
And that's one of the great things now is you can watch all these foreign films and

957
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:52,080
find these subtitles for these films even though sometimes these subtitles fall outside

958
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,080
of into like a gray area in the law.

959
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,640
Like is it legal to download subtitles for a movie?

960
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,560
There's some concerns around that as well.

961
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:00,560
So interesting.

962
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,120
A Japanese film wouldn't exist without subtitles.

963
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,120
That's for sure.

964
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,600
Well, not the subtitles on the thing, but if you don't buy it from them, but the other

965
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:15,600
issue is up until pre Blu-ray and some films are still currently only on VHS, Far and Free

966
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:21,600
Between or DVD and a lot of them haven't been upscaled for 4K or you know, 1080 Blu-ray

967
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,560
and DVDs all had different region codes.

968
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:25,560
Yes.

969
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,040
So you couldn't play a Chinese DVD even if you bought it legitimately, you couldn't play

970
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,560
it on an American player unless you modded your player, which avoided your warranty and

971
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,760
that's legally questionable as well or bought a Chinese DVD player that would play that

972
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,840
region or region free player or something.

973
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,600
So it was a whole kind of thing to try and get this stuff and to consume this media,

974
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:51,040
which is kind of a shame because you know, most books are translated into many different

975
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,720
languages and you can pick the translation of the book you want like Marcus Aurelius

976
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,440
is meditations to go back to the beginning of the episode.

977
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:04,800
There's countless translators out there and translations that are a hundred years old.

978
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,920
So anyway, cool thing is if you want to watch it and you want to know what's going on and

979
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,840
not make it up yourself, although I'd probably watch it as intended without subtitles to

980
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,520
try and figure out if I can figure it out.

981
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:14,520
That's weird, huh?

982
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,320
Filmmakers trust the audience to be smart enough to figure out what's going on without

983
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,320
subtitles.

984
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,840
That's a very antiquated.

985
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,920
I had to go and have some 50 year old hipster tell me what a trailer was before I watched

986
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,360
the movie.

987
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,240
The next thing you know, somebody is going to be trying to put a triangle into a square

988
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:35,360
hole and shielding their answer from me.

989
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:41,760
Well you know, some of us have an IQ of 150 in the year 2500.

990
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:42,760
That's true.

991
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:43,760
All right.

992
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,760
The next film is from 1916.

993
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,000
It's a propaganda piece called Zept and Charlie Chaplin, Charlie Chaplin propaganda movie.

994
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,360
It's not particularly a good movie, they say here, but it chronicles a German zeppelin

995
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,800
World War I attacks in Britain.

996
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,560
So I guess even if it's not a good movie, it's a propaganda film of course, so it's

997
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,120
going to be heavily slanted.

998
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,120
Interesting historically.

999
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,720
But you know, I mean, seeing any kind of zeppelin attack film would be amazing I think.

1000
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:10,240
Yeah, especially from the era, they'd have insights that we would lack obviously.

1001
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:11,360
Probably used real fucking zeppelins.

1002
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:16,640
I don't know where CGI was in 1916, but it was likely better than Ridley Scott's Gladiator

1003
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:17,640
2 from 2024.

1004
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:27,240
Well, it's, I don't remember because there was a Chaplin, Harold Lloyd and Buster Keaton

1005
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:28,800
and it was Buster Keaton.

1006
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,120
There's a movie called, I think it's called Little General and he's a train engineer running

1007
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:39,560
a train and they actually did a, the finale of the film was the train does a jump off

1008
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:46,840
of a bridge into a river gorge and they literally did it and the train stayed in the river gorge

1009
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,520
until they needed to pull it out to make ammunition for World War II.

1010
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,520
That's crazy.

1011
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,720
So, you know, of the era they really did things.

1012
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:58,480
Some of Harold Lloyd's stuff where he's crawling on a clock tower was filmed in front of a

1013
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:03,840
mat and stuff, but you know, Buster Keaton did more of the crazy mathematical stunts

1014
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,840
where he'd build a house and then he'd walk away from it.

1015
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,840
There's a tiny little window up top and the whole wall would fall down.

1016
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,840
Very famously.

1017
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:10,840
Yes.

1018
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:11,840
Very famously.

1019
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:12,840
Yes.

1020
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,560
So they all had their own little like silence picture schtick or whatever.

1021
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,960
Harold Lloyd would do crazy dangerous, like climbing stunts and other things and you know,

1022
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,600
chaplain and anyway, great.

1023
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,520
If you find like I have the DVD packs of like each one of those.

1024
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,520
Oh, sure.

1025
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,100
I watch a lot of those in film class and it just, they're fun and they're kind of amazing

1026
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:32,960
how they planned everything out and.

1027
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:33,960
Yeah.

1028
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:34,960
Yeah.

1029
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:35,960
Yeah.

1030
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,520
They should show stuff like that to kids when they don't want to learn math.

1031
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:38,520
Yeah.

1032
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,120
There's a lot of cool things you can do with math.

1033
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,120
Yes.

1034
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,520
I realize that it's very esoteric sometimes.

1035
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,160
Not showing my kid that and telling her she can do that with math or him that he can do

1036
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,160
that with math.

1037
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,600
I don't want you to put yourself at risk, but if you're going to do something, you need

1038
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:50,600
to know math.

1039
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,480
So anyway, a lot of people didn't even know the zept movie existed, but there was an English

1040
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:59,000
citizen who bought a can of film on eBay for $5 in 2009.

1041
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,080
And what was in there?

1042
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,440
This 1916 Charlie Chaplin film zept.

1043
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,440
Nice.

1044
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,560
So you can sometimes have good finds like that.

1045
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,040
The trouble with a lot of these older films and stuff that's actually shot on film.

1046
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,720
And this is kind of a little PSA for anybody out there who has home videos on particularly

1047
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:19,520
VHS and other stuff or like the mini eight or the high eight, any kind of those magnetic

1048
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,840
tapes, get those converted as soon as humanly possible.

1049
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,000
Even on VHS when they had the big VHS camcorders.

1050
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,000
Oh yeah.

1051
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,760
Get those converted as soon as possible because those magnetic tape degrades so fast and it

1052
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,640
degrades every single time you watch it.

1053
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,160
So there are services out there.

1054
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,280
I'm not going to go into all that.

1055
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:43,000
I had a, I think it was 16 millimeter film of my grandpa doing something before he was

1056
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,760
fire chief even at the, at the fair in Oshkosh.

1057
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,840
And it was, I don't know, two and a half reels of film.

1058
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,560
And I was like, well, I could buy a projector, but if the projector fucks up, it's going

1059
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,160
to burn a hole through the thing.

1060
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,360
So I went and spent the money and had it scanned to 4k.

1061
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,360
Sure.

1062
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,160
And yeah, it was like 500 bucks, but now I don't have to worry about it.

1063
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,160
Right.

1064
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,160
It's there.

1065
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,160
It's preservation.

1066
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,160
I'm trying to find the script.

1067
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,560
I've been trying to, cause you know, the program or whatever, cause they obviously were doing

1068
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,280
like they did a whole like clown show and burning buildings and stuff like that.

1069
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,600
Kind of like not quite like the scenes in Dumbo where the clown fireman come out of

1070
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,240
the car and try and put out the burning house and the elephant flies.

1071
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:20,600
I didn't see any flying elephant.

1072
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,440
Grandpa, you let me down.

1073
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,440
I'm just kidding.

1074
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,600
But that stuff all degrades, you know, and I was like, I could run it through a projector

1075
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,720
to watch it, but I run the risk of scratching it, damaging it, burning it.

1076
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:33,400
Cause those lamps are hot for those old projectors and they don't make new projectors.

1077
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,400
So, okay.

1078
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,040
So the next movie is Tarzan and the golden lion from 1927.

1079
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,040
Nice.

1080
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,320
It was one of the earliest ever on screen portrayals of Tarzan.

1081
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:47,280
It was a box office success, but after it dropped out of circulation around the theaters,

1082
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,680
no copies could be found.

1083
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,400
The star was James Pierce and that was like his career defining role.

1084
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,120
He spent most of his life trying to find a copy of it, but he couldn't.

1085
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:01,760
In the 1990s, a stack of silent films was found of all places inside a French asylum.

1086
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,880
And one of them just happened to be Tarzan and the golden lion.

1087
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,800
So that's like what, two or three like French asylum films being found.

1088
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:09,800
Yeah.

1089
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,880
They must've had a pretty extensive system back in the day.

1090
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,600
And that is, uh, Burroughs.

1091
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:16,600
That's what I thought.

1092
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:17,600
I looked it up.

1093
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,880
He wrote the John Carter series as well.

1094
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,520
The Barsoom series, which I've read all of, which are fascinating.

1095
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,400
I haven't had time to read Tarzan yet.

1096
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:26,400
I'm going to get there.

1097
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,240
I'm going to get like the old pulp fiction sci-fi novels.

1098
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:34,160
My wife and I were camping and we went into the town, a small, small town.

1099
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,880
There's a garage sale on for like 50 cents.

1100
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,080
I got two like, I don't know what you would call it, like the golden era sci-fi books.

1101
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,000
Like one was like steps of the sun or something.

1102
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,240
And it was like, sure.

1103
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:48,100
Not overly anything fantastic, but interesting to read, you know, like that old of a vision

1104
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:50,120
of what the future and sci-fi might be like.

1105
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:55,560
So, oh, I love the hokeyness and having read all the Barsoom, like it's racist.

1106
00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:01,480
You know, it's like the character is a southerner from the civil war and he meant it.

1107
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,760
Yeah.

1108
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,480
It was not states rice issue for him.

1109
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,480
All right.

1110
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,520
The next one is the sentimental bloke from 1915.

1111
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,600
I guess it's considered the greatest Australian silent film of all time.

1112
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,440
Follows a man who vows to quit gambling so he can focus on his factory job.

1113
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,460
But he falls in love with a woman and it's just about to become happy.

1114
00:47:20,460 --> 00:47:23,640
And he faced his competition for the same woman from another man.

1115
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,120
There's a fire that destroyed the Melbourne film library.

1116
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,800
The sentimental bloke was considered to be a lost film.

1117
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:35,400
And the original negative was discovered in 1973 at a film archive in Rochester, New York.

1118
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,400
Nice.

1119
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,400
That one is a makes sense story.

1120
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:38,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1121
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,240
Like there's more sense of finding it in the toilet of a...

1122
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:41,800
French Assain asylum or whatever.

1123
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:47,280
But it took so long to rediscover this because bloke wasn't a popular word, or maybe still

1124
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,840
isn't in America.

1125
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,440
And so they assumed that somebody titled it, instead of writing the sentimental bloke,

1126
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,240
they labeled it the sentimental blonde.

1127
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:56,240
Oh.

1128
00:47:56,240 --> 00:48:00,320
Because they just maybe use all hand, you know, they don't type out printed things for

1129
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,960
these, they just hand label them back then.

1130
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:03,960
And they must've...

1131
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:04,960
Hand writing is notoriously...

1132
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:05,960
Yeah.

1133
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:06,960
Different.

1134
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:07,960
Prone to interpretation of the reader.

1135
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:08,960
Oh yes.

1136
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,760
The next one here is Outside the Law from 1920.

1137
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,400
You know, most of these have something in common.

1138
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,040
Most of these have been from the 20s or the teens.

1139
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,040
Some have been from the 60s, but it's always cool.

1140
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,520
Like the longer it's lost, the cooler it is when you find it, I guess.

1141
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,520
Not that people are waiting to like for likes or something online, but you know, it's just

1142
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:27,640
like some of this stuff.

1143
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:33,680
I mean, film collectors, I got so many slides and photo albums and stuff from my dad, from

1144
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,920
his dad and their stuff in there from like early 1900s even, because my grandpa was born

1145
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,800
in like 1926 or something.

1146
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,720
So it's like, there's stuff from the early 1900s in there.

1147
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,280
He took pictures and my dad took pictures and they had other family members that take

1148
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,600
pictures and so I'm going through and like taking all the slides out of the carousels

1149
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,280
because they were all in carousels, which is the least space efficient way to store

1150
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,280
slides.

1151
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,280
But it's good if you're going to watch them.

1152
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,960
I remember seeing those carousels.

1153
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:58,960
Yeah.

1154
00:48:58,960 --> 00:48:59,960
Yeah.

1155
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:00,960
I'm getting quite near the end.

1156
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,520
They're all in little slide boxes and then eventually when I'm doing nothing in the winter,

1157
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,880
I'll start scanning them in and a lot of them are notated, which is great, but the ones

1158
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,840
that aren't notated, then I can like send the digital to my dad or make a shared album

1159
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,560
and say, dad, put in notes if you know these people or what they are and then kind of preserve

1160
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,200
the family history, you know?

1161
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,400
Not much to do with the film, but again, it's just, you know, if you have a film collector

1162
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,960
and they buy, I mean, they were pumping these movies out back then, you know, like the studios,

1163
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,520
like just pump them up, pump them out.

1164
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,840
You've got so and so on contract for X number of years.

1165
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,760
Let's just make as many films with this person, the star as we can.

1166
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,640
And you know, some of them were box office hits and some weren't.

1167
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,500
And then, you know, in the, I don't know, probably the 50s, 60s, they started having

1168
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:46,240
home video recorders and things and people could do their own home movies on eight millimeter

1169
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:49,160
and 16 millimeter and eventually VHS.

1170
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,760
And you know, you could potentially have, you know, a major film director that made

1171
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,600
a bunch of films before he was backed by any studio or he or she.

1172
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:58,600
Absolutely.

1173
00:49:58,600 --> 00:49:59,600
That makes all the sense.

1174
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,160
It's kind of like the iPhone film craze of the tens.

1175
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,160
Yes.

1176
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,360
So the next one here is Outside the Law from 1920.

1177
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,280
It's a gang picture, which are always popular.

1178
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,360
And this was in the 1920s.

1179
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,000
So what year is Prohibition?

1180
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,000
1919.

1181
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,200
So I'm sure it had Prohibition undertones.

1182
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,280
This one had Lon Chaney, who was in one of the other films that's lost for all time as

1183
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,280
of today.

1184
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,280
Right.

1185
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:24,280
Lon Chaney was very famous back in the day.

1186
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:29,040
I even recognize that name and I'm not a film enthusiast like Nate is.

1187
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,640
But it was a very popular star.

1188
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,000
So it was a surprise that the original copies got lost in the first place.

1189
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,160
And Universal Pictures delivery person happened to have left some copies with his friends

1190
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,160
in the 1920s.

1191
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:45,680
But it wasn't until 1975 that the house's new resident noticed the stash of movies in

1192
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:50,240
the barn and invited historian Bob DeFluores to take a look at them.

1193
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:52,440
And one of them happened to be Outside the Law.

1194
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:57,960
So that tracks with film collectors that buy these films or what does the studio do with

1195
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,720
them when they're out of theaters back then?

1196
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:05,440
There wasn't really the preservation or collecting or re-releasing it.

1197
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,000
That wasn't a thing back then.

1198
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,000
Right.

1199
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,000
Yeah, the film was new.

1200
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,680
They didn't have the established protocol.

1201
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,740
Even the early TV shows and sitcoms and things like that, they had no idea there was going

1202
00:51:14,740 --> 00:51:16,420
to be reruns.

1203
00:51:16,420 --> 00:51:22,760
Even as recent as Friends, where they did recap episodes every season, kind of.

1204
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,000
Every once in a while they do a recap episode to keep you up to speed on everything that

1205
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,120
happened, never anticipating that home media would be a thing and people could just watch

1206
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,560
it in their homes when they wanted or binge watch it.

1207
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:34,560
Right.

1208
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:40,440
Well, even as recently as the late 90s, Deep Space Nine has no high definition because

1209
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,960
the high definition versions got destroyed.

1210
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,480
You can only ever get Deep Space Nine television in standard definition, which is they didn't

1211
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:52,800
foresee the at home Blu-ray, 120 inch TV geek market.

1212
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,040
It just didn't exist at the time.

1213
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,560
We're watching through scrubs right now and the first four seasons, I believe, were shot

1214
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,080
in standard definition because HD wasn't a thing.

1215
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,280
And then the later seasons are all HD.

1216
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:11,320
So the first four seasons I found somewhere, somehow it showed up on my system at home.

1217
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,200
Somebody had used AI to upscale first four seasons.

1218
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,200
Oh, that's pretty cool.

1219
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,120
So you get really crisp pictures.

1220
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,120
Allegedly, I don't know.

1221
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,320
I don't have them because I don't download that sort of thing.

1222
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,920
Well, yeah, there's no law breaking going on.

1223
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,720
No, it's preservation of history.

1224
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:30,600
One day somebody is going to come and say, we're looking for HD versions of scrubs because

1225
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:36,000
somebody back in 2017 or whenever they did it, this guy with the AI, this is a now sought

1226
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,800
after piece of film history.

1227
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,480
So it's collecting.

1228
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:40,480
Yeah.

1229
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:41,480
It's preservation.

1230
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:42,480
Yeah, somebody somewhere on there.

1231
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,960
It's funny if you're a film critic or film collector, you can have whatever you want,

1232
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,560
but if you're just trying to consume media, then you're the bad guy.

1233
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,480
Well, yeah, you're the villain until you're not.

1234
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,480
Yes.

1235
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,800
You're the villain until you have enough money to not be.

1236
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,680
Then that'll just get written right over.

1237
00:52:58,680 --> 00:52:59,680
It's fine.

1238
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:00,680
Yes, yes.

1239
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:08,040
In a great bout of foresight, spice induced foresight, he collected these things and now

1240
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,120
they're worth something and now we want him.

1241
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,120
All right.

1242
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,200
The next one is The White Shadow, 1923.

1243
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,640
We're getting quite close to Mike's fingertips here on the cigar.

1244
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:16,640
We are, we are.

1245
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:17,720
And that's fine.

1246
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:21,320
So this one here, Twin Sisters or The White Shadow, sorry, White Shadow.

1247
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,800
It's about twin sisters, one who's introverted, one who's extroverted and they compete for

1248
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,040
the same man and the man doesn't know he's dating sisters.

1249
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,200
Alfred Hitchcock was an assistant director on this movie and there was a film collector

1250
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:38,480
in New Zealand, Jack Murtaugh, and it took 22 years for an American archivist to discover

1251
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,920
Jack's collection and he realized that a videotape labeled as twin sisters was actually The White

1252
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,320
Shadow because the movie's about twin sisters.

1253
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:51,200
So when you record something on VHS from the TV or whatever.

1254
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,200
Absolutely.

1255
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,200
You write down whatever it is.

1256
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,760
You write what you think it was, but you're not really sure because you didn't have the

1257
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,400
printout from the newspaper of the play times.

1258
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:04,520
I think most of our listeners are old enough to remember the VHS rack, the wall.

1259
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:09,680
It was a library, but it was all VHS tapes and then you'd have the eight hour tapes and

1260
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,280
three movies to be on it.

1261
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,200
And if you had the dedicated parents, they would pause the recording when the commercial

1262
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,800
came on and then resume it when it came back.

1263
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:18,800
Absolutely.

1264
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,640
At home, if you were savvy and you had more than one forehead recorder, you could edit

1265
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,600
it into a new version.

1266
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,520
Yeah, degrading the quality significantly, but still a new version without commercials.

1267
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,760
I would take low quality over commercials almost any day.

1268
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:33,760
Oh, absolutely.

1269
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:34,760
All right.

1270
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:39,240
The next one is a really old one from 1911 and it's called Their First Misunderstanding

1271
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:42,840
and it stars Mary Pickford and Owen Moore.

1272
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,480
And it's about a silent film about newlyweds arguing for the first time.

1273
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:47,480
Oh.

1274
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,200
Then this is why you date and cohabit before you marry.

1275
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,920
So you can have your first argument before that.

1276
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,200
That's why you don't get married until you're 30.

1277
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:55,400
Because you can just fucking leave.

1278
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:56,400
Yeah.

1279
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:57,400
And it's no big deal.

1280
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:58,400
Don't get married until you're 30.

1281
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,400
They work on their emotional issues.

1282
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,400
Don't get married until you've had an argument.

1283
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:03,400
Yes.

1284
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:08,840
So I guess this movie kind of served as a tutorial on how to handle marital arguments.

1285
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,880
And there was a carpenter, Peter Massey, who found a copy inside an old New Hampshire barn.

1286
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,520
The farm had previously served as a summer camp, hence it was likely the movie was filmed

1287
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,580
for the teenagers who spent time there.

1288
00:55:19,580 --> 00:55:24,340
So this is one where maybe didn't go full release in theaters, but it starred some big

1289
00:55:24,340 --> 00:55:27,160
people and maybe it was a summer camp film only.

1290
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:28,160
Sure.

1291
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,600
You know, you get stories like that sometimes where it's like an instructional video happened

1292
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,920
to feature Harrison Ford or something and it's like your Forklift certification video

1293
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,680
and there's Harrison Ford pre-Star Wars.

1294
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,200
I'm sure he was Forklift certified back in the day.

1295
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,280
I'm sure they didn't have that certification back in the day, but he could still do it

1296
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,280
anyway.

1297
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:47,280
Right.

1298
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,280
Yeah.

1299
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,000
He was famous before OSHA, so probably not.

1300
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,600
The next one is The Old Dark House from 1932.

1301
00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:00,160
It's a group of five travelers seeking shelter in a decaying house and a bunch of horror

1302
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,160
stuff.

1303
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:02,480
I don't know who looks like Wolfman or something.

1304
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,480
It was one of the best Gothic, most talked about being one of the first Gothic horror

1305
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,160
movies, best Gothic horror movies of all time.

1306
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:14,200
But a lot of people, then there's people that just love Gothic things, Victorian things,

1307
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,200
Edwardian things.

1308
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,200
Oh yes.

1309
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,960
I might even be talking with one right now.

1310
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,380
But a director found a clean copy while going through the vaults of Universal Studios.

1311
00:56:24,380 --> 00:56:28,400
So the fresh budget, they re-edited it, restored it and yada yada and released it.

1312
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,800
So and that's the other thing too is like the one that was found in a shipping container,

1313
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,840
it just sat there and this was in the Universal Studios vaults.

1314
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,240
And you hear about the Disney vault all the time where back when they used to do these,

1315
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:44,440
I don't know if they still use that model, but they would put movies out on DVD and Blu-ray

1316
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,960
and then they'd say, this is the first time it's been on Blu-ray.

1317
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:47,960
It's out of the vault.

1318
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:48,960
It's out of the Disney vault.

1319
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,880
Yeah, the fourth, the Diamond edition.

1320
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,720
After this, after this like 12 month run, it's going back in the vault and you won't

1321
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:56,240
be able to get a copy of it again.

1322
00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:00,720
And so all these film studios have vaults where they have all the films ever made.

1323
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:04,320
But then it's like the scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark where they go put the Ark of

1324
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,840
the Covenant in this like warehouse full of boxes that are tenuously labeled.

1325
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:14,320
When I was a little boy, I asked my dad, lifetime government, I'm like, how realistic is that?

1326
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,520
And he's like, that is more real than you would care to imagine.

1327
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:18,600
They're as like-

1328
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,360
More real than any of the action you just watched.

1329
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:21,360
Yeah, this is the most real part of the film.

1330
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:22,960
This is the most real thing in the film.

1331
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,080
They legit found that it would just go into a shelf somewhere.

1332
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:28,080
Yep.

1333
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,160
Yeah, so that's it for, you know, kind of the ones that have been refound.

1334
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,960
I mean, Nosferatu was refound.

1335
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,520
Man of Sands of Fate was refound.

1336
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:37,520
And some other ones.

1337
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,280
It kind of depends on what your focus is.

1338
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,320
For the Lost Films, and I was excited because Nosferatu is coming back as a remake.

1339
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:44,320
Right, and that's a classic.

1340
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:45,320
Or has been back.

1341
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:46,320
That's a classic.

1342
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,320
It's creepy.

1343
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,640
If you haven't seen it, listener, the one listener we have, go and watch it.

1344
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,040
Yeah, you should check it out.

1345
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,600
And the good news, Keith, is you don't need headphones for it.

1346
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,600
It's a silent film.

1347
00:57:58,600 --> 00:57:59,600
That's right.

1348
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:00,600
Yeah.

1349
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:01,600
But it's really well done.

1350
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:02,600
It's good.

1351
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,480
And they changed, this was, I think this, I think Nosferatu was the first instance of

1352
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:13,720
a vampire being light allergic because the vampire Count Orlok dies in sunlight because

1353
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,240
he stays out too late trying to get the heroin of film.

1354
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:18,240
Yes.

1355
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:19,240
Heroin, heroin.

1356
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:20,240
Whatever.

1357
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,240
I don't think it matters.

1358
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,680
It's the figure of the addict trying to shoot heroin into his vein and Jesus standing behind

1359
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,720
him and the caption on the bottom for the meme is, fuck off, Jesus, get your own heroin.

1360
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,280
He's trying to save him from addiction, right?

1361
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,320
But it's like, fuck off, Jesus, get your own heroin.

1362
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:34,320
No, I have not.

1363
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:35,320
That is great.

1364
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,320
Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

1365
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:37,320
Hey, man, this is March, dude.

1366
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:38,320
It is March.

1367
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,320
Yeah, yeah.

1368
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:40,320
Yeah.

1369
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:46,000
We're recording this on Black Friday for those that want to know the behind the scenes of

1370
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,000
the show.

1371
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,000
Not too bad.

1372
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,000
It's our traditional Black Friday recording.

1373
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,000
Yeah, yeah.

1374
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,120
Sometimes we do the season finale and this year we're doing the season premiere of season

1375
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:55,120
four.

1376
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,840
So get ready for next Thanksgiving.

1377
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,200
Go on your diets, which I'm...

1378
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:05,240
Basically, all of your New Year's resolutions have been abandoned, so congratulations returning

1379
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:10,320
back to normal life, but eat a little less over the year so you can eat extra next Thanksgiving.

1380
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:11,320
That's right.

1381
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:12,880
What do you think of the cigar, Mike?

1382
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,880
Are you going to bring up the sheets or are you going to add my score in?

1383
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:15,880
I got the sheets here.

1384
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:16,880
I'll add your score in.

1385
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:17,880
Perfect.

1386
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:18,880
I'm putting it as a five.

1387
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:19,880
Solid five.

1388
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,920
It's changing, but it is everything I wanted it to be.

1389
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:23,920
Yes.

1390
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:24,920
What I expected.

1391
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:25,920
It did not disappoint.

1392
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:26,920
Did not disappoint.

1393
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:27,920
It was as good as I wanted it to be.

1394
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,600
The Rocky Patel Edge series is legendary in my household.

1395
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:37,520
I cannot recommend any Rocky Patel Edge enough, and if you happen to come across this cigar

1396
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,440
in your travels, I would pick one up.

1397
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,440
I'd pick up more than one.

1398
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:41,680
Throw them in the box.

1399
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,560
You can bring them out for a special occasion.

1400
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:44,560
They look cool.

1401
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:45,560
They're going to smoke perfectly.

1402
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:50,800
I would say it's a slightly more complex smoke than we normally do because of the barber

1403
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:51,800
pole.

1404
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:52,800
Yeah.

1405
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:53,800
Oh, it's not.

1406
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:54,800
But it's very good.

1407
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,480
It's not one of those yardsticks that we talk about.

1408
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:57,840
No, it's not a yardstick.

1409
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,640
This is something that you'd bring to a party, give to somebody as a gift.

1410
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:02,640
It's a very good cigar.

1411
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:03,640
Yeah.

1412
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:04,640
Very good cigar.

1413
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:05,640
It's a very good cigar.

1414
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:06,640
That's great.

1415
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,680
Thanks for listening to our season four premiere episode, first episode.

1416
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:11,900
Keep listening.

1417
01:00:11,900 --> 01:00:16,240
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1418
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,640
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1419
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:20,640
Check that out.

1420
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,960
Even if you don't financially contribute, we'll post things on there for everybody sometimes.

1421
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:30,000
I'm thinking about getting some more polls going maybe, like some polls from the listeners,

1422
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,200
what we should smoke or what they want to hear about, or if there's something cigar

1423
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,240
wise you might want to learn about.

1424
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,880
We can definitely talk about it and yada yada.

1425
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,480
Give us a review on one of the platforms, please, even if you hate us, because that

1426
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:46,320
will help the algorithms, because really in life all we're doing is fighting AI all day,

1427
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:47,320
every day.

1428
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:48,320
Be safe, have fun.

1429
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:49,320
Thanks for listening.

1430
01:00:49,320 --> 01:01:12,320
We'll see you next time.