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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Mike.

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And I'm Nate.

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What are we smoking tonight, Mike?

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We are smoking the Rough Rider Indian Head Sweets Maduro.

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A Robusto size, nobody should be surprised by that.

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What?

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I know, right?

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As noted, Nate and I were talking before the show, the cap is sweet, but not as sweet as

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the last one.

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I don't know, man.

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I feel like it's equally as sweet.

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You think so?

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It's sweet for sure.

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It's sweet.

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I don't know, it's tough to tell.

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I'm pairing this one with Guinness and I had some cranberry juice, so I have some cranberry

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juice with a little tart.

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Sure, you'll have to let me know how the tart goes.

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I'm pairing this with the Bosun American IPA again.

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So I ran out earlier today to get some podcast juice, is what I call it.

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First few puffs of this are pretty good.

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Yeah, it's interesting.

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I think it's definitely a little more interesting than the Connecticut, I think.

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It's definitely darker.

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Yeah, I'm not sure if it's good interesting or bad interesting yet, but...

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Definitely darker and I don't notice the sweetness as much.

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Yeah, the cap is still very sweet, but the smoke is not as sweet.

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Interesting.

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The label on this is absolutely wonderful, yet again.

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Oh, yes.

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Yes, indeed.

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What are we talking about today?

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We are going to talk about something that I'm quite excited about, the topic-wise, not

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necessarily using it or doing anything with it, but our topic for this episode is something

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called AlgoSpeak.

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Have you heard of AlgoSpeak, Mike?

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AlgoSpeak, no.

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I thought for a second you said Elkospeak, like the talk you do when you're drunk.

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No, that's the podcast.

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I mean, that's what you're listening to.

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No.

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So I know you've heard some AlgoSpeak, but what AlgoSpeak is, is it's algorithm speak,

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so it's AlgoSpeak.

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And what you do is you use different words to circumvent algorithms or AI.

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So I've got this broken down into different topics.

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So what we're going to go through, and I did this deal, I actually have, because I was

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talking all about algorithms and AI and stuff, I actually printed out a research paper and

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highlighted it and marked it up.

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And I'm also using different articles as well, not just the journal, but if you hear paper

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rustling and I'm not able to edit them out, it's because I thought what better way to

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fight the algorithms and AI than to use physical paper and chop down a couple of trees.

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So we're going to first talk about what AlgoSpeak is.

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We're going to talk about other linguistic forms that might be similar.

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We're going to then talk about why it would be used.

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Then we're going to get into the fun list of AlgoSpeak words and what they mean, and

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we're going to wrap it all up with a nice tidy bow with what the consequences of this

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might actually end up being.

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Are you ready for this, Mike?

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I am ready to listen and enjoy my cigar and play with my dog and...

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There we go.

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There we go.

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So AlgoSpeak is kind of code words, turns of phrases perhaps, that users have adopted

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in an effort to create brand safe lexicon that will avoid getting their posts removed

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or down ranked by content moderation systems.

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So when we're talking about AlgoSpeak, they're primarily used on online platforms, most notably

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the biggest offender that came up and is the subject of the scientific journal.

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I don't know if it's scientific, but it's from Sage Journals in their social media and

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society volume nine, issue three, July, 2023, 2023, sorry.

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And the article is called, You Cannot Say What You Want Using AlgoSpeak to Contest and

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Evade Algorithmic Content Moderation on TikTok.

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So the TikTok, I don't know what you call it, the post curator is, from what I gather,

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pretty broad and doesn't, and they don't, their platform doesn't give any real reasoning

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behind the things that they do with the actions they take, which has led to a lot of this

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AlgoSpeak because the people are trying to find ways around getting shadow banned or

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temporary bans from the platform or just getting their posts removed or not promoted.

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So that's what it comes down to.

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Any questions on that, Mike?

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No, I actually know enough about that to understand what you're saying.

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Okay, sure.

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So that's basically what AlgoSpeak is.

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We're going to get into the words a little bit later.

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I wanted to talk about, is this a completely new phenomenon where people invent words and

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things to get around this?

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And it's not.

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So tailoring language to avoid scrutiny predates the internet.

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A lot of religions have avoided using the devil's name for fear of summoning him.

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And then people living in repressive regimes also developed code words to discuss taboo

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topics.

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So you've seen the Jesus fish for Christians.

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That was if you met somebody on the road back in whenever the fuck, you would draw half

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of the fish with your walking stick.

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And if they were a Christian, they would complete the fish.

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So then you knew you were safe to talk about Jesus or I don't know, Lot's wife, daughters,

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things of that nature, I don't know, and not be persecuted.

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So there's definitely ancient, ancient.

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But there's also a 19th century Russian satirist, Mikhail Saltikov.

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Oh God shared Shedrin made use of a soapian language, meaning like ASAP's fables.

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So it was allegorical and he and others use it to circumvent the censorship in Tsarist

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Russia.

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So the forbidden term revolution was replaced with a phrase called the big job.

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There's another private language that was used by gay men in the early 20th century

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in Britain.

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It was called hilarious and rough trade referred to a working class sex partner.

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There's also been rhyming slang, which has been employed to obfuscate one's meaning to

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outsiders.

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So a term like telephone would be replaced by a rhyming equivalent such as dog and bone

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and then subsequently shortened to dog.

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So a member of the gang could probably request another member call them and do it even the

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presence of police.

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And they just like, yo, talk to you on the dog or something like that.

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I don't know how they would use it.

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I'm not a gang member.

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I don't know.

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But you know, they would shorten these words, they'd rhyme it.

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And so dog and bone would be shortened to dog because the full phrase would rhyme with

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telephone and it would get shortened to further separate it from the true meaning.

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There's also cockney rhyming slang, which emerged in 19th century London, which might

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be the best known example.

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And as far as the internet goes, there's a leet speak, which evolved in the 1980s.

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And it's basically, that's the stuff that you see that changes the vowels to letters.

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So leet wouldn't be L-E-E-T, it would be L-3-3-T. And that's the general basis of leet speak.

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Right.

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And you've seen some of those things, right?

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I can, I used to be able to do it quick, but I can type and read leet for sure.

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That is a-okay by me.

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And that's, I know exactly what you mean because there's a certain number that is banned in

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certain countries that speak English.

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And it's the number for the year of the American Revolution that has been banned.

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It's been associated in current times with certain things.

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Other things, yeah.

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Yes.

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There's also text speak or chat speak or SMS language speak, which most of us who are Mike

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and my age are familiar with because back when cell phones first became a thing that

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every cool kid had, college student had, whatever, they charged you, I think it was five cents

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per character, right?

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So it resulted in dropping the vowels and that's where LOL came from.

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That's where like U-R, like your cute came from like L-8-R, like later, like all of that

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stuff.

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The text speak when we had to do the T-9.

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It was simultaneously, it was the messaging charges plus the fact that you had to hit

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like the number three key three times to get the letter you wanted or something.

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There's also LOL speak, which uses incorrect grammar or spelling as language plays, which

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is like doggo lingo where they, people will mimic how they think a dog would talk in their

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typing and things like that.

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So basically it's all just how to modify written communication in networked and platform communities

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where the community members would be able to understand it.

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Whereas, you know, we're, you and I have a audio podcast, so people can listen to our

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tone of voice and hopefully tell when we're joking or, you know, pick up contextual clues

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on how we think or feel about a subject by the inflection in our voice.

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But when you're talking purely digital is very difficult to do and one of the, one of

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the reasons a lot of these different speaking styles came out is to portray some of those

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feelings I suppose.

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The example I'm thinking of is LOL versus LOL, LOL versus LUL, right?

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Those are two different concepts that are related.

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So yes, for sure.

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Okay.

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So why use algo speak here in the study?

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It says that the number of videos removed by automation on TikTok increased from 2020

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to 2022 with minor safety of minors, illegal activities, adult nudity being the main reasons

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for the removal of the content.

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And TikTok is known for also restricting content visibility for lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans,

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queer, disabled, and obese users without present guideline violations.

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So TikTok has their user and community guidelines, but they've been restricting things that don't

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fall under the guidelines, the community guideline rules.

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So that's led to people needing to find a way around them.

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And there's some actual good stories we're going to get into here in a little bit, but

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some people use it to do the bad stuff, right?

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So of course there's people that do bad things online and in, you know, real life.

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Not that online isn't real life, but Mike has a very strong opinion about that.

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I'm looking up something for you.

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The Stephen Vandeveld is all over TikTok.

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So apparently their algorithm doesn't prevent that.

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Yeah.

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Why would it?

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Why would it?

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But so there are people that definitely use the algo speak to continue doing their illegal

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activities.

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But there's other people that just do it to circumvent AI.

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And then others do it to circumvent the AI, but in a way to talk about their experiences.

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So sexual assault is a big one where you have victims of sexual assault trying to talk to

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other people, other victims of sexual assault in these online communities where it's therapeutic

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to be able to talk to people that have had similar experiences as you, but their posts

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and their comments and their things are being flagged by the AI and removed even.

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So they're not able to have that outlet.

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And they're not doing it in a way to encourage others to sexually abuse people or sexually

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assault people.

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And there's people that do this to circumnavigate censorship, even though they're not engaging

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in anything that's illegal.

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It's just that there's certain hot button words that you're not allowed to say.

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Even in context of being against those things, you're not allowed to say it.

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Yes, that is true.

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So we've got a quote here from the director of Fight for the Future, which is a digital

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rights nonprofit advocacy group.

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Evan Greer says that trying to stomp out specific words on platforms is a fool's errand.

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One, it doesn't actually work, she said.

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The people using platforms to organize real harm are pretty good at figuring out how to

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get around these systems.

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And two, it leads to collateral damage of literal speech.

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Attempting to regulate human speech at the scale of billions of people in dozens of different

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languages and trying to contend with things such as humor, sarcasm, local context, and

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slang can't be done by simply downranking certain words, Greer argues.

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So you've got the good, the people that are using these terms and phrases for good therapeutic

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reasons and you've got people using them for bad reasons.

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But if you ban all the bad reasons, you're also banning all the good reasons.

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Right.

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And these algorithmic speech is manipulated by the bad actors.

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Look at the term map that's become popularized in the last year or two.

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And that is apparently totally acceptable to talk about, but it's not.

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You know what I mean?

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I think it's not.

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But if you use the magic words, then it is.

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That doesn't make any sense to me.

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It's not about the content.

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It's about playing a game.

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It's all about playing a game.

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And there is one story here where, and you know, this study sent out invites to, I guess,

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maybe 200 some TikTok users.

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And of those, they got a subset to respond.

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And one of those was a sex educator who posted videos on TikTok about sex education, you

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know, which isn't inherently bad.

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You know what I mean?

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Like that's a good thing to have out there because it depends on your schooling.

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And if your parents want to have that kind of difficult conversation with you, or if

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you're in an abstinence only kind of environment, you know, you have to know.

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Like knowing good sex education is very important.

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And they were saying that they can't say you should put a condom on before having intercourse.

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They have to now say, put a rubber band on your eggplant.

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Which is just blatantly ridiculous.

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Obviously, there's-

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Well, it's ridiculous.

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And the point they were making was, I have a serious, like it's a serious topic.

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It's a serious like channel or account.

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And I have to say these goofy things to circumvent being taken down.

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Like I can't tell someone to put a condom on their penis without being, you know, shadow

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band or flagged.

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Like, that doesn't make any sense.

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Right.

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And so there's also users that have found that they can say certain words, but they

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need to then edit their transcript or put different words on screen, which are algo

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speak words to prevent their video from being taken down.

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And so if they are in somewhat revealing clothing, they need to make sure they put somewhere

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in their video or even say something like fake body, you know, this is my fake body.

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So then the algorithm or the AI thinks that they're talking about a fictional body and

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not their actual body.

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And there was some concern because I don't know if it was a person trying to teach like

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pole dancing or something else, but they were in, you know, moderately revealing clothing

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and they were saying that all their videos were taken down, but they have all these videos

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of women on the beach in super skimpy bikinis and those are all fine.

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And those don't get taken down or anything like that.

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So there's not really any consistency with the algorithms.

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So these people that are trying to do things and if they're worried about the clothing

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they're wearing, they need to put some other kind of algo speak term in the video to circumvent

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the AI, the world we live in.

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Exactly.

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Hold on.

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I just, this is why I shouldn't use paper reports.

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I just asked all over my fucking scientific journal here.

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Do you have any questions on why somebody might use algo speak, Mike?

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No, I am intimately aware of why you would do that.

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And we occasionally do that ourselves to discuss topics that could get us into some hot water.

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Yes.

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So this next part of the podcast here is going to include the algo speak terms and their

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real English equivalent.

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So if this episode gets like hidden, that's why here we go.

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Algo speak words.

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This is kind of an alphabetical order.

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So if I were to tell you that my friend, the accountant needed some help with something,

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would you know who I was talking about or what profession they had?

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I would not.

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An accountant in algo speak is a sex worker.

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Interesting.

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I didn't know that one, but I'm not looking for that on the internet.

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So yeah, me either.

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Mike, I lived through the Backstreet Boys reunion tour.

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I don't know what that means either.

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The COVID-19 pandemic.

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Oh, is that what they call it?

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One of them.

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Okay.

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I've heard different terms for that.

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Yeah.

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Let me pull them up here.

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They've got more for that, for the COVID.

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I think they're on this.

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They also call it the vid.

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They call it Panda Express, Panini or Panorama.

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So those are all for...

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I've heard all of that.

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I've heard of the cough.

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Okay, sure.

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I've heard of getting the cough.

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Yep.

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Sure.

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Next one.

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I've got a whole list.

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I'm not going to do all of them.

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There's one called Blink in Lio, which is supposed to mean link in bio because I guess TikTok

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tries to prohibit linking to external sites in your bio or something.

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We have the clock app, which is TikTok.

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Corn, which is porn or just the corn emoji.

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Oh yes.

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I remember the days when porn used to be referred to as prawn.

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Oh yes.

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P-R-O-N.

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P-R-O-N, sir.

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Holy shit.

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I forgot I was talking to a four-channer.

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Or P-R-A-W-N.

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Yeah, that too.

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Or P-R-4.

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The next one is cornucopia, which means homophobia.

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So a lot of these are kind of like rhyming.

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Yep.

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We've got Q-C-U-E-ANON, which is code for Q-ANON, right?

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If you would just say it, Q-ANON.

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But if you type it out, C-U-E-ANON, it's different, I guess, for the algorithms.

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Fork and frog both mean fuck.

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Grape means rape.

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The Kermit sewer slide means commit suicide.

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I've heard self deletion.

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Okay.

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One of my favorites, la dollar bean means lesbian.

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Leg booty community means the LGBT community.

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Oh, I've always heard the alphabet whenever they say alphabet.

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Sure, yeah.

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Nip-knops means nipples.

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This is funny.

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I feel like the nip-knops have to flop.

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I don't know.

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The not-see means Nazi.

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SH means self-harm.

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Schmex means sex.

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And SEGS, like S-E-G-G-S, means sex.

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Swimmers means vaccinated people.

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Unalived means dead-killed suicide.

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Self-termination.

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Oh, SA.

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You missed SA.

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What's that one mean, Mike?

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Sexual assault.

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Mascara also means sexual assault.

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Rapier, they have that one too.

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That one's rape.

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YT means white.

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You can't say white anymore.

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And now, Mike, when you said you hated the Olympic Committee, what you should have said

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was I opposite of love the Olympic Committee.

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Yes, I think they're highly regarded.

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Yeah, and then we talked about Panda Express, Panini, and Panorama for the COVID-19.

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SA is actually on here.

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I just haven't got to it yet.

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It's on this next page.

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Sexual assault.

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Sewer slide is suicide.

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I've also seen that they need to use, if you're talking about crackers, like literal crackers,

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like Ritz, you need to call them saltines because they take cracker being a hate speech.

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Derogatory term.

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Yeah.

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Camping.

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Do you know what camping is, Mike?

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I mean, I know what camping is, but what does it mean in this context?

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Abortion.

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Oh, no.

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So after Roe v. Wade got repealed, people would say, hey, someone's just got to go camping.

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And that means crossing borders to get the procedure done.

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Do you know what cheese pizza means, Mike?

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Yes, I do.

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Yes, I do.

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Christopher Poole.

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Okay, yeah.

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So cheese pizza is the acronym, right?

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So the CP would be child pornography.

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There was something else I want to talk about because it was the swimmers and there was

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another one too that meant the non-vaccinated.

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Trying to remember.

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There's so many of these words out there.

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You wouldn't happen to remember what the two were.

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There was the swimmers and then I thought it was like a dinner party.

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It might have been the one.

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Oh, I don't recall.

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Yeah, I can't.

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I did the research, but you know.

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There's just too many.

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Okay.

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Anti-vaxxers groups have been changing their names to dance party or dinner party and vaccinated

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people are called swimmers.

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So that is what you need to know about that, I suppose.

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And they've got a whole bunch of different words and emojis, which are hard to kind of

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describe.

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But the snowflake emoji means, what do you think it means, Mike?

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Somebody who's a liberal.

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Cocaine.

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Oh, okay.

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So a lot more fun than a liberal.

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Yeah, a lot more fun than a liberal.

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Snow, got you.

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Yeah, yeah.

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There you go.

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So trees, trees.

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They've been doing a lot of that.

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There's a whole bunch of them.

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So they do like O-U-I-D, the French pronunciation of weed for weed.

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So some of the stuff's really original.

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Right.

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Trees, I know that one is for weed as well.

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Yeah.

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But I mean, if it gets them around the thing, it gets them around the thing, right?

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Broccoli.

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Anything that looks like it.

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Yeah, pretty much.

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And then of course, like the eggplant emoji, we all know what that means.

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The peach emoji, I guess I would call it kind of like the raindrops slash squirt emoji means

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ejaculation.

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If we needed to say that, there's some fairly racist ones.

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So if somebody is talking about like ninja or something, it's generally being racist

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against black people.

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Yes.

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Do they mention in Minecraft?

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No, they don't.

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They might not have caught onto that one yet.

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I mean, these are all by people that are either like studying it or trying to study it or

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like news outlets that are like, oh, hey, I picked like the top 10 that almost anybody

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with a brain could figure out.

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Right.

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I think most of the listeners know what in Minecraft means.

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Let's do it in Minecraft or something, some version of that.

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Yeah.

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It's kind of like French haircuts.

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Everybody can pretty much figure that one out.

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Yeah.

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Or you should be able to.

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Are you about halfway with your cigar mic?

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I'm a little over halfway actually.

445
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Oh, perfect.

446
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Yeah.

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What do you think so far?

448
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I like it.

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I like it.

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It's darker.

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It's not as sweet.

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Yeah.

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It was sweet at the very beginning, but it is darker.

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Yeah.

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It's nice.

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The cranberry juice really makes it pop.

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I'll tell you that.

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Oh, that's good to know.

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I'll have to try and find like a dry cider or something next time.

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It's a nice mellow Maduro in my opinion.

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The sweetener probably makes it easier to hide a cheaper leaf, I'm going to guess.

462
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Yeah.

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Probably so.

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Probably so.

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It's very pleasant, very nice.

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Nothing spectacular to be honest, but very pleasant.

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Yeah.

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Quite pleasant.

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Not particularly complex.

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It's very similar to the other one where it's very stable.

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Just mellow.

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Yes.

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This one's a little darker, a little sweet, not too much.

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Yeah.

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I agree.

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So the TikTok users say that they can usually get away with saying the actual word, but

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when it comes to any kind of like text in their videos and things, they have to use

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the AlgoSpeak.

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So, and I know that at least for our podcast, I run our audio through AI to generate a transcript

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and then use that to get summaries and things of our episode for our episode descriptions

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and some, you know, like hashtag keyword type of stuff.

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And then the platform we use to actually upload and distribute also will run AI on our podcast

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to generate the final transcript of the edited episode.

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So I imagine TikTok has something similar, you know, a lot of these platforms, you know,

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YouTube and stuff will auto-generate captions for, you know, hearing disabled people.

486
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That's probably not the right word phrase.

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Mike, that's probably like the nineties, what we'd call it in the nineties.

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Hearing impaired.

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Yes.

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Hearing impaired or hearing challenged viewers.

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So that's when the users would have to go and edit those generated stuff to include

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the AlgoSpeak words and not the actual word to prevent it being taken down.

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And here's kind of the big thing.

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I mean, we're kind of going and moving into like the consequences of AlgoSpeak and things.

495
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:50,040
And this is maybe a little bit consequences of just AI and automated, automated anything

496
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:57,520
really these algorithms and these word searches and this AI stuff seems to really have a problem

497
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,600
with putting these terms into context.

498
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:07,520
So if you had a video that said, I hate Nazis and what the Nazis did was wrong, the AI would

499
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:12,280
flag the video as being pro Nazi because you mentioned Nazi.

500
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:18,520
So it doesn't take into the context, into consideration the context of any of these,

501
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,520
any of these things.

502
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:20,520
Right.

503
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:25,400
You'd have to say, I strongly dislike 1930s European politics.

504
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:26,660
Yeah.

505
00:26:26,660 --> 00:26:27,660
Something like that.

506
00:26:27,660 --> 00:26:32,960
Or you'd have to edit the thing to say the Nazis, right?

507
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:33,960
Yep.

508
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,960
At least your captions or your text of it.

509
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:44,880
So that's the, maybe the big issue is it doesn't take into consideration the context of what

510
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,680
you're talking about or what you're saying.

511
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:52,400
So if we were trying to put this episode on TikTok, we'd have an awful lot of trouble

512
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:58,520
because one, I'm not going to go and edit our transcript to change all the words to

513
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,240
algo speak and two, we're already over the TikTok video limit.

514
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,400
I think, I don't know.

515
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:04,400
I don't use TikTok.

516
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,400
I don't care to.

517
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,060
I've never used TikTok.

518
00:27:07,060 --> 00:27:13,680
It is owned by the communist Chinese government and it is spying on you.

519
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:21,140
Now I realize that our government is spying on us through Palantir and Facebook and other

520
00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:23,080
entities as well.

521
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:29,780
So that is not a specific criticism that makes China unique, but I'm against our government

522
00:27:29,780 --> 00:27:35,160
doing it and I'm certainly against a adversarial government with pretty significant human rights

523
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,600
violations doing it.

524
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,600
So.

525
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:38,600
Yeah, for sure.

526
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:45,800
And so the main consequences of algo speak are that now that algo speak's been around,

527
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,760
the internet is still flourishing.

528
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,960
It wasn't a flash in the pan.

529
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,760
People like you and I, Mike, who aren't on TikTok and don't really care about algorithms.

530
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,040
I mean, I've never been shadow banned or banned from any platform.

531
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,640
Me either as far as I'm aware.

532
00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,640
Yeah.

533
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:06,640
I did have some issues when I initially launched the Nice Ashes podcast Instagram account,

534
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,920
but we are smoking cigars and talking about cigars and use cigar hashtags and a lot of

535
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:17,840
other people do as well, but there were some posts that they thought were encouraging people

536
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,400
to smoke cigars, which we would never, never do.

537
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,080
No, of course not.

538
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,760
And maybe they thought we were trying to encourage them to drink alcohol, which, you know, we

539
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,480
would, maybe we really wouldn't do.

540
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,480
Like I don't care.

541
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,880
I don't care if you want to smoke cigars or not.

542
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:34,880
You know what I mean?

543
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:35,880
If you do, you do.

544
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,560
Is that really banned on Instagram?

545
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,760
I mean, the liquor company sponsored US sports.

546
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,200
We weren't, we weren't banned on Instagram.

547
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,800
It was just saying your posts can't be promoted or can't be shown to people that aren't your

548
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:49,800
followers.

549
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,280
And I was like, well, at that time we only had like four or five followers on Instagram.

550
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,480
So I was like, well, I kind of need more than four or five.

551
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,400
We're near in the 100 mark man on our Instagram.

552
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,400
So I'm pretty excited.

553
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,400
Nice.

554
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,480
But yeah, I mean, I wasn't, we weren't banned from Instagram.

555
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,520
There we just got, I just got a notification that, you know, we weren't being promoted.

556
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:14,600
And then I, I think I deleted a post or two or change something up and then that notification

557
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:15,600
went away.

558
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:16,840
So I think we're fine again.

559
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,420
So I mean, I can definitely see why people would use it.

560
00:29:19,420 --> 00:29:25,600
And if I consistently talked about controversial topics in a way that wasn't meant to be educational,

561
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,160
I would be a lot more concerned about it.

562
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,160
I think.

563
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,160
Right.

564
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,160
Well, and that's, that's the thing.

565
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:37,160
Like you can talk, I've seen some wild, wild internet content where people are pro map

566
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,600
and they want to make the maps an acceptable part of the alphabet people.

567
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:48,520
And it's like, that to me is disturbing in the extreme, highly fascinating from like

568
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:55,680
the dystopian internet roles perspective, which I'm coming from, of course.

569
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,120
But I can't believe that it's not banned, but they, they know that they know how to

570
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,360
get around all the rules and use the magic terms.

571
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:11,320
And then they don't get banned even though they're just as bad as 1930s, central European

572
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,840
political actors.

573
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:13,840
And you know what I mean?

574
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,720
Like to me, they're in the same group, like of no-nos, you know?

575
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:18,720
Yeah, for sure.

576
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,720
And it's all internet nonsense.

577
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,280
You can call a map what a map is.

578
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,760
You don't have to use, you don't have to use the acronym.

579
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,320
Oh, on our show?

580
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:30,600
Well, I'm just saying like in real life, you can just call them a pedophile.

581
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,600
That's allowed.

582
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:32,600
Right.

583
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,240
Like they're bad.

584
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,840
They're not, they're not on the good team.

585
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:36,880
They're on the bad team.

586
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,080
They're on the bad team.

587
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:44,400
So the big consequence is similar to the consequence of ad blockers.

588
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,080
I don't know if you've seen the ad blocker versus YouTube battle that's been raging.

589
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,080
Oh yeah.

590
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,080
Yeah.

591
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,520
So YouTube's been trying to ban ad blockers because they love ads.

592
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,400
And then the ad blockers just get better.

593
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,440
And then YouTube bans the new ad blockers and the ad blockers get better.

594
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:06,320
And it reminds me of the radar detectors in like the nineties, early two thousands.

595
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,320
They're selling radar detectors for cars.

596
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,480
And then the cops came out with the radar detector detectors.

597
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,360
So then the cars came out with radar detector, detector detectors.

598
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,160
And it was kind of like, when is this man is going to stop?

599
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,720
Can't you just drive the fucking speed limit?

600
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,720
You know, but whatever.

601
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,380
So algo speak, some of these terms are now being flagged.

602
00:31:24,380 --> 00:31:27,600
And even if they're being used in an educational way.

603
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,080
Now this scientific article made use of the term benign a lot.

604
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:38,320
So they were saying, you know, even people trying to use, I don't know, sexual terms

605
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,320
in a benign way.

606
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:46,920
And I was like, well, define sexual terms and define benign because it depends on the

607
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,720
age group of your consumers.

608
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,760
And now in America anyway, you're supposed to be 13 to have a social media account.

609
00:31:53,760 --> 00:32:00,560
But I don't think 13 year olds should be exposed to like maps and, you know, cornucopia people

610
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:01,720
and things of that nature.

611
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,600
So the Olympic committee.

612
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,720
Yeah, that for sure.

613
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,320
Or a beauty pageant.

614
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,680
But right anyway, Balenciaga, Balenciaga.

615
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,680
Yeah.

616
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,160
So, you know, it's kind of like, well, define benign.

617
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,420
So they use benign an awful lot.

618
00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:24,320
And I think they might have been trying to tow the politically correct because they actually

619
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,920
have a disclaimer at the end of their thing where they're saying, you know, we acknowledge

620
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:35,000
for our bias in our thing that we declare no potential conflicts of interest with respect

621
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,840
to research, even though we're all white people that are, you know, straight or whatever.

622
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:45,000
And I was like, well, that's kind of an interesting disclosure at the end of a scholarly article.

623
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:51,600
That reminds me of the math people that made a women's studies paper and they just copied

624
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:57,280
Mein Kampf and then changed some of the words and then they submitted it.

625
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,160
Yeah, I remember hearing about that.

626
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,580
Yeah.

627
00:33:02,580 --> 00:33:04,600
Under fake names.

628
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,360
Yeah, it went over about as well as you would expect.

629
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,600
Well, because it got like crazed and lauded, but then they revealed that it was just Mein

630
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,120
Kampf with changed words for different groups, right?

631
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,120
Yep.

632
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,360
Of people, whatever groups those may be.

633
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,360
I have no idea.

634
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,680
I could tell you in Minecraft, but not here, unfortunately.

635
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,640
Join my server, won't you?

636
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,160
It's almost like 1984 needs to get solved by 1776.

637
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,440
You know what I mean?

638
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,440
Yeah.

639
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:39,640
Well, there's another algo speak for the Tiananmen Square where they use just the month and date

640
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:48,200
about the year to circumvent that censorship somewhere over there wherever Tiananmen Square

641
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,640
was alleged to have happened.

642
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:50,640
Right.

643
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,680
Well, I know that right now and hopefully our UK listeners can confirm this, I guess,

644
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:02,440
in the comments, but I've heard that 1776 is banned in a lot of the texts there, like

645
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,620
in England because there's some unrest going on and people are rallying around that as

646
00:34:07,620 --> 00:34:09,920
a cover, if you will.

647
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:10,920
Sure.

648
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,920
Well, and if anyone needs algo speak, it's the fucking people in the UK.

649
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:15,920
God damn.

650
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:16,920
I know.

651
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:17,920
I know.

652
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:18,920
Yep.

653
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,040
So that's, I don't want to say anything that's going to get anybody in trouble or anything

654
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,040
like that.

655
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,160
I don't know how crazy it is there right now.

656
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,160
Yeah.

657
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,160
Well, you know.

658
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,920
The things that we're hearing is like insanity from our perspective, right?

659
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:32,920
Yeah.

660
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,440
Well, and we're an American based podcast.

661
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,160
I know the, what is it?

662
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:46,160
The UK government has threatened to somehow extradite American citizens criticizing the

663
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,160
UK laws.

664
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,160
So, I mean, I guess good luck with that.

665
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,160
Yeah.

666
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,160
Completely illegal, but that's okay.

667
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,680
Do we need to throw more of your tea into the harbor?

668
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,000
I mean, what the fuck, dudes?

669
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,420
I sent Nate a meme a while ago.

670
00:35:02,420 --> 00:35:03,420
It was great.

671
00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:05,600
Can I describe the meme, Nate, that I sent you?

672
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,200
Oh, you sent me one?

673
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,200
Yeah.

674
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,200
This was a while ago.

675
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,200
Didn't I send it to you?

676
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,040
The one where George Washington was sitting in his house drinking a beer and then the

677
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:23,480
British police showed up and he unalived them and he ripped, pulled open his chest in 1776

678
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,480
was tattooed on his chest.

679
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,480
Yep.

680
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,800
I remember I sent you that one of, it was like an American guy and he was sitting there

681
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:37,600
and he was holding like, he had like a AR-15 on the table and he had a couple of handguns

682
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,840
and he was drinking like Coors Light and the caption was like, me waiting for the UK to

683
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,880
come extradite me.

684
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,360
Yep.

685
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:52,000
So, that's the sort of thing we share around in America.

686
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,000
Yeah.

687
00:35:53,000 --> 00:36:01,120
But now to be very clear to everybody, I did hear a story, of course, who knows if it's

688
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:09,120
true, but I heard some stories of people that were criticizing the UK, then they flew to

689
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,680
the UK and upon landing, they were apprehended.

690
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:18,320
So apparently they're taking it very seriously there.

691
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,080
But I think, and I'm not sure, I don't know, how does international law work, Mike?

692
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:27,280
I mean, if I'm an American citizen traveling to the UK and I have a travel visa or I'm

693
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,360
just there as a tourist and I have X number of days there, right?

694
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,520
I have protections under the embassy and things of that nature.

695
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,960
They can't enforce laws upon me that I didn't break on their premises.

696
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:43,480
I went to London for a month and I wasn't overly critical of the Queen or anything,

697
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,400
God rest her soul, I guess, right?

698
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,520
But I wasn't out protesting the Queen because if I was in a foreign country protesting their

699
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,240
government, of course they can arrest me for inciting whatever.

700
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:57,040
But if I make comments not on their soil, go there and don't make those comments on

701
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,880
their soil and then go back home.

702
00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:59,880
That's no big deal.

703
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:05,800
I think that there they can't arrest you if you go there, if you're on their naughty list,

704
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,280
but they can't extradite you from the States.

705
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,280
If you went to an interpol country.

706
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,080
Yeah, they can arrest me, but would they be able to like, would that be able to stick

707
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,680
or would the embassy come in and be like, the fuck you guys doing?

708
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,120
No, because you're not Brittany Greiner.

709
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,480
Of course it would stick.

710
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,080
Oh, fuck, that's right.

711
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,080
I have to be a lame ass WNBA player.

712
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,080
Holy shit.

713
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,080
Okay.

714
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,080
Yeah, you're not not Brittany Greiner.

715
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,440
New goal in life.

716
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:32,040
Or what's her face, the singer that brought marijuana into the Netherlands illegally.

717
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,040
Yeah.

718
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,040
Yeah.

719
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:40,040
So even if I say something not on UK soil, go there with the intention of being a nice

720
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,360
boy, they could arrest me and call me a naughty boy.

721
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,600
I think so.

722
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,300
I think that's the real threat is that if you're too much of a naughty boy and you get

723
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:54,360
on their no no list, if you go to any European country, I think they could extrate you because

724
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,200
they're part of the interpol system there.

725
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:02,200
If I have all my understanding correct, which I'm not 100% sure of course, because I'm not

726
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,200
a European.

727
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,120
But if I was Islamic, they'd have to just let me go.

728
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,600
You know, I think that's pretty much it.

729
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,600
You know, you just got to.

730
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,600
Yeah.

731
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,040
And they'd pay for all my stuff and then I could implement Sharia law and I'll be right

732
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,360
with the world, right?

733
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,440
I think there's some criticism around that.

734
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,720
I'm not 100% sure.

735
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:22,000
Not for me.

736
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,000
Not for me.

737
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,360
I want to be able to travel.

738
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,360
Absolutely.

739
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,560
I'd like to go visit the motherland someday.

740
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:38,760
Maybe when they tone down their, you know, closeness to fictional worlds.

741
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:39,760
Yeah.

742
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,360
What are we going to call that?

743
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,160
Because you can't call it 1984 because that's the actual title of the book.

744
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,160
Right.

745
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,640
We can call it like Algo speak.

746
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,360
We call it like BB, like big brother or something.

747
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:54,360
Oh, exactly.

748
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,160
It reminds me of V for Vendetta, to be honest with you right now.

749
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,160
I know.

750
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,040
I was thinking about V for Vendetta a lot during this research and stuff.

751
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:08,540
And I was like, you know, I thought of the quote in there when the people with the Guy

752
00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:13,120
Fox masks, just the regular people are going against the government.

753
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,840
And one of the people, they're in a car like passing and somebody, I can't remember, goes,

754
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,200
what do you think is going to happen?

755
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:24,240
And the response was the same thing that happens anytime unarmed people go against people with

756
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:25,240
guns.

757
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:26,240
Right.

758
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,360
So as far as I know, V for Vendetta is not banned in the UK.

759
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:35,000
So I'm not saying watch it, but remember, remember the 5th of November.

760
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,320
That's interesting.

761
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,920
We're talking about Algo speak in the sense of, hey, this social media platform that all

762
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,920
these kids are using, it's banned in all these words, man.

763
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,480
There's actual people living in the UK that can't use a lot of these words for fear of

764
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,480
prosecution.

765
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,480
Right.

766
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:56,240
Well, again, we live in America, so you can say some pretty crazy things and the government

767
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,600
is totally okay with you doing that.

768
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,720
But you can make some pretty wild statements.

769
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,840
Crazy to an extent, but yes.

770
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:04,840
Right.

771
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:05,840
Yeah.

772
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,460
You can have some pretty crazy beliefs and then say some pretty wild things that are

773
00:40:10,460 --> 00:40:11,460
blatantly untrue.

774
00:40:11,460 --> 00:40:13,320
As long as you're not Alex Jones.

775
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,320
Yeah.

776
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,520
And you can even publish your books and convince an entire swath of the population that you

777
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,440
found a magic hat in the middle of the desert with golden things in there from God.

778
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,400
And you can have multiple wives and soaking is somehow not sex.

779
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,400
Oh yeah.

780
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,680
I just learned about a new style of rap called drill.

781
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:31,680
I can tell.

782
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:32,680
Okay.

783
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,680
Have you heard of drill?

784
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:34,680
Nope.

785
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:35,680
Nope.

786
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:36,960
I heard of mumble rap, but I didn't understand a word of it.

787
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,720
I've heard two different versions of events.

788
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:43,600
There's the official version, which is, oh, it's just a style of hip hop that's not about

789
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,600
sex and drugs.

790
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:45,680
It's about violence.

791
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:50,200
And then there's the criticism, which is like, these are gang members who are describing

792
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,720
killing people and this legal to produce drill and people have been arrested and prosecuted

793
00:40:55,720 --> 00:41:00,480
based on their songs for murders that were previously unsolved.

794
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,560
So they're like snitching on themselves with this style of music kind of, you know, explaining

795
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,480
their gang land killings in inner city gangs.

796
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:14,680
And that's perfectly legal in the United States, which is wild, you know, but it is fine.

797
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,360
They can't arrest you for doing drill.

798
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,900
They cannot arrest you for doing drill, but they can use this music to assure their investigation

799
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:24,040
of a crime that has been committed.

800
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,080
So it's leading them to their suspects because they're self admitting murders.

801
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,920
They're fucking morons is what they are.

802
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:39,920
Like if they were making these drill songs about not real incidents, that it would be

803
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:40,920
perfectly fine.

804
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,320
Change a name or an event, homies.

805
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,320
Come on.

806
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,720
I mean, God damn it.

807
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:47,720
Yes.

808
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:52,400
And they're playing it on like music stations like over there.

809
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,000
So that's how quote unquote free our free speech is like you can make a song about murder

810
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,000
and they'll play it on the radio.

811
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Yes.

812
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,400
Do you want to hear another interesting song to bit Mike?

813
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,520
This really has nothing to do with algo speak, but there was a very popular song by a very

814
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:17,560
popular artist who got away with saying fuck on air on every single station in America,

815
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:23,320
but one, the song you've certainly heard, the artists you certainly know, she is on

816
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,920
record for congratulating the radio station that censored it out, but it was the only

817
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,520
one station in America.

818
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:36,960
The song is poker face by Lady Gaga and not all of the pokers are pokers.

819
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,360
Some of them are fuckers and only one station caught it and censored it out.

820
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,040
I have never heard that.

821
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,040
That's crazy.

822
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,040
Yeah.

823
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,040
Isn't that wild?

824
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,680
I've also heard that the, one of the disturbed songs where they're saying all the people

825
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,400
on the left wing say, it's not actually raw.

826
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,600
It's fuck, but you know, like in a guttural scream kind of sense.

827
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,000
So it could honestly be anything.

828
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,040
It could be all the people on the left wing say, I'm trying to contact you about your

829
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,880
car's extended warranty, but like in a guttural kind of way.

830
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:05,880
Right.

831
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:06,880
It's disturbed.

832
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,040
I'm not going to tell you about anything.

833
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,280
Not drill rap, but anything else.

834
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,280
Yes.

835
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:17,640
I don't think that the members of disturbed who are by the way, all 50 some year old family

836
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,840
men now it's the perfect cover.

837
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,440
Mike is the perfect cover.

838
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,440
Yeah.

839
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:28,140
They might be involved with illegal activity, but it's not violent or illicit illegal activity.

840
00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:32,600
Just like it wasn't Kyle gas putting that guy up on the roof at the Trump rally.

841
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,600
Yeah, exactly.

842
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,160
Yeah, it's wild and crazy times.

843
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:46,280
I mean, I'll go speak is one hand a way to circumvent censorship, which is good, but

844
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,600
it also serves as a way for the bad actors to circumvent legal repercussions, which is

845
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:52,600
bad.

846
00:43:52,600 --> 00:44:00,160
The algorithms will only ever update to include the new words that are created.

847
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,520
And I don't know that they'll ever, unless there's a big enough backlash in the sense

848
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,360
of a mass exodus of users from the platform.

849
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:14,360
I don't know that they're ever going to update their AI or their algorithms to take contextual

850
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:22,400
hints or cues to determine which content to keep and which content to delete or deprioritize.

851
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:28,800
So it potentially could be, and I guess like pig Latin, I don't know the origins of pig

852
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,000
Latin or if that's a racist term.

853
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,280
I don't think it is.

854
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,440
I don't know.

855
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,240
Well, like that was a way to speak coded to other people.

856
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:43,360
It's not a complicated cipher by any stretch, but you know, ciphers and coded language have

857
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:48,400
been prevalent probably for as long as humans have been speaking, I would think, right?

858
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,400
Oh, for sure.

859
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,440
I mean, there's graffiti in Roman cities.

860
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,200
So yeah, for sure.

861
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,920
But I guess like algo speak could evolve.

862
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:04,840
Well, it will continually evolve as the AI and algorithms evolve to circum or to stop

863
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,840
it, right?

864
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:11,080
So it will eventually come to the point where for that rhyming stuff, like give the dog

865
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,880
a bone means telephone and then it got shortened to dog.

866
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:20,080
So it would, it will eventually get to the point where it will be something like, Hey,

867
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,320
this is the dinner party group.

868
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,960
And you're like, the fuck are you talking about?

869
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,720
And that means unvaccinated people.

870
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:28,640
But you would never know that based on just dinner party.

871
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,280
This is a dinner party group.

872
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,280
Cool.

873
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,280
I guess.

874
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,200
Like, well, I don't see much food here.

875
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,200
I came hungry.

876
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,200
What are we doing?

877
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:42,320
You know, so I guess it could eventually potentially evolve to the point where unless you keep up

878
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,600
to date on it and like cutting edge leading edge of all of this stuff, at some point,

879
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:52,000
this lingo is going to be unintelligible to those that aren't actively participating in

880
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,000
it.

881
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,000
Right.

882
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,000
And there's context.

883
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,640
I one time heard an elderly gentleman.

884
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,080
This is years ago at a gun range talking.

885
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,800
He said, Oh, we all bleed red here.

886
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,800
That was his code.

887
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:05,800
Yeah.

888
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:06,800
You know, yes.

889
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,760
Which was instantly understandable to everybody listening.

890
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:18,000
Well, yeah, you've got the, you know, that, and then you've got the blue bloods.

891
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,000
Right.

892
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,000
Exactly.

893
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,080
And, you know, for Americans, that's easily understandable.

894
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,080
That's an old, I don't even know what you would call it.

895
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,000
Just an old, um, linguistic thing.

896
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,960
You've got, you've got that for a lot of things like the purple hairs, right?

897
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,520
Like the old, old, uh, elderly population.

898
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,520
Blue hairs.

899
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,880
The blue hairs, blue hairs, purple hairs are different group.

900
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:40,880
Yeah.

901
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:41,880
Yeah.

902
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:42,880
We can't talk about the purple hairs.

903
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:43,880
Sorry.

904
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:44,880
Purple hairs from the record.

905
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,880
Let's write that from the record.

906
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,760
Yeah, the blue hairs, elderly people.

907
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:56,920
So there's always kind of these little terms to describe as, uh, something else.

908
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:57,920
I don't know.

909
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,280
Do you know anything about the history of the blue hairs?

910
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:07,760
Like is it, was that because it was not, uh, not allowed or socially acceptable to call

911
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,680
them elderly or?

912
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:10,680
They die.

913
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,880
The elderly women with gray hair would dye their hair.

914
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:13,880
Well, I know that.

915
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,880
That's bad and sometimes their hair would turn blue instead of like blonde.

916
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:18,880
Yeah.

917
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:19,880
Yeah.

918
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:20,880
Like that is literally.

919
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,160
I mean, I know that, but it wasn't really to circumvent anything.

920
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,960
Like nobody was, it was just an easier way to say that old person got bad dye for their

921
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,240
hair or something.

922
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:31,240
Yeah.

923
00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:32,240
Basically.

924
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:33,240
Like that's too long to say.

925
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:34,240
Like, oh, hey, they grow the blue hairs.

926
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:38,160
And then it just kind of evolved into anyone that was a gray hair really.

927
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,960
And you'd say, oh yeah, the blue hairs are here for their dinner at three 30 in the afternoon.

928
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:43,960
Yep.

929
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:44,960
The gray plague.

930
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:45,960
Yep.

931
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:51,400
I know in an episode of a bluey, which is a great show, if you have kids and even if

932
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:56,640
you don't have kids, but they talk about the gray nomads and it's a Australian or New Zealand

933
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:02,840
show and the gray nomads are the old people that have the, the big campers and they drive,

934
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,760
you know, 20 miles below the speed limit.

935
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,580
And so the main characters don't want to get stuck or the dad doesn't want to get stuck

936
00:48:07,580 --> 00:48:08,580
behind the gray nomads.

937
00:48:08,580 --> 00:48:10,840
But of course they ended up doing so.

938
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:11,840
But you know, gray nomads.

939
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,280
I mean, that's another kind of term.

940
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,540
In America, we would call them snowbirds, right?

941
00:48:17,540 --> 00:48:21,440
Like the elderly people that have the disposable income, they have the camper, the big RV,

942
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:26,320
and they go down to Florida or Arizona when the winter comes, you know, they're called

943
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,880
snowbirds because they leave when the migratory birds do.

944
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:30,880
Yep.

945
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,600
I have another good one for you.

946
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,640
I think I've told you this before.

947
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:35,640
Boomer cleaner.

948
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,640
Okay.

949
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,160
I don't think you've mentioned that to me before.

950
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,160
Do you tell?

951
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:49,280
Yeah, the boomer cleaner is what the young guys are calling COVID-19.

952
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,320
I was told that by my teenage nephew.

953
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:54,320
That's terrible.

954
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:55,320
That's terrible.

955
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,320
Yep.

956
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:01,320
That's what the young guys are calling it.

957
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:06,840
I'm like, that is awesome.

958
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,680
My cigar has been out for a little bit, so I hope you're close to being done, Mike.

959
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,360
Mine just went out and I'm not going to relight.

960
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,720
I have probably an inch left and it's getting, I was getting that same sour note at the end

961
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:18,520
as I did with the other one.

962
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:19,520
Yes.

963
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:20,520
Yes.

964
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:21,520
So I was like, no, we're done.

965
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:22,520
We're done.

966
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,720
Well, let's do, let's do final cigar thoughts.

967
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:28,560
I thought the last bit got sour as well.

968
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,600
I almost, I feel like I almost like the Connecticut a little bit better.

969
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:39,020
I feel like the pairing of the Connecticut wrapper and the sweet was better implemented.

970
00:49:39,020 --> 00:49:40,780
I wanted to like this cigar.

971
00:49:40,780 --> 00:49:44,520
It was very pleasant, but mediocre.

972
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,960
And I already rated it on our list so you can see what I put it as.

973
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,280
That's exactly what I was going to put it at as well because I definitely liked the

974
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,280
Connecticut better.

975
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,620
I think the overall, we both rated it a three.

976
00:49:56,620 --> 00:50:02,180
I think the overall pairing of the Connecticut leaf with the sweet was better implemented

977
00:50:02,180 --> 00:50:03,960
than the sweet and the Maduro.

978
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:09,440
I would still recommend the factory smokes sweet over either of these.

979
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,440
Yes.

980
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:16,220
But I recommend the, yes, but I recommend the refriter's sweets Connecticut over the

981
00:50:16,220 --> 00:50:17,220
Maduro.

982
00:50:17,220 --> 00:50:18,220
Right.

983
00:50:18,220 --> 00:50:19,220
For sure.

984
00:50:19,220 --> 00:50:25,740
So my impression for the Maduro was that this is a mid tier at best Maduro cigar with a

985
00:50:25,740 --> 00:50:30,560
sweetened cap and the sweetened cap hides some of the imperfections of the leaf so they

986
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,920
could charge a little more for a lower quality product.

987
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,240
Whereas the Connecticut was actually paired together well, it smoked better.

988
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:41,720
It was just a better cigar overall.

989
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:44,400
Not that the rough rider Maduro was bad.

990
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,920
It was just boring and it did get sour.

991
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:47,920
It was boring.

992
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:48,920
Yes.

993
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,640
And the Connecticut did as well, but if you slowed down on the Connecticut, it was fine.

994
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:56,040
And the first two thirds of the Connecticut, I was eagerly smoking it.

995
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:02,760
I mean, it was just, it was very nice, whereas the Maduro was a little, it was underwhelming

996
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,960
in the sense that I would have rather been smoking another Connecticut from them.

997
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:08,960
For sure.

998
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,720
It's just not, it wasn't impressive to me.

999
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:12,720
It was perfectly fine.

1000
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:13,720
It's a fine stick.

1001
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:14,760
It's a fine stick.

1002
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:19,320
If I had this out on the golf course, it would be perfectly acceptable, both of them.

1003
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,320
Oh, sure.

1004
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:21,320
Yeah.

1005
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,400
But for sitting down and talking or playing a board game, no, no.

1006
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,480
I'd want something else.

1007
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:28,840
Yeah.

1008
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,760
And I think that if it came down to it, if they were priced the same and they were in

1009
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:38,920
the store or on sale online somewhere, I would buy the Connecticut over the Maduro.

1010
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,800
But I would buy the factory smoked sweets over either of them.

1011
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,240
So there's that.

1012
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:45,240
I agree.

1013
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:46,240
I agree.

1014
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:47,240
100%.

1015
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:51,040
Because we both have factory sweets in our Hamidors at home.

1016
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,040
We do.

1017
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,040
So we are biased.

1018
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,040
Yeah.

1019
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,040
Our personal stash.

1020
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1021
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,840
Like, so we're biased, I guess.

1022
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:05,160
But it's a good place to start because until we can beat that factory smoked level, we

1023
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:10,360
can't even bring up the cigar that shall not be mentioned by which all others are judged,

1024
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:11,360
you know.

1025
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:12,360
Yeah.

1026
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,960
Well, that's the whole point of the show is.

1027
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,400
So let's do a little cost comparison.

1028
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:26,040
Either of these versus the factory smoked sweets, which is the cheaper stick?

1029
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,040
Factory smoked sweets, of course.

1030
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,040
That's what I thought, for sure.

1031
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,040
Factory smoked sweets are cheap.

1032
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,040
Yeah, they're like 100%.

1033
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,840
They're reasonably priced.

1034
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:32,840
Yes.

1035
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,760
That's what my inclination was that I thought these would be a little bit more.

1036
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:44,520
I did see, like I said last episode, I looked for pairing suggestions on these and the Tart

1037
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:45,520
suggestion.

1038
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,400
And there was a suggestion of like Merlot.

1039
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,240
And I was like, well, that's going to be a whole different podcast if I crack and open

1040
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:52,240
a bottle of Merlot.

1041
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:53,240
Right, right.

1042
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:56,720
But they said, you know, like it's an affordable stick.

1043
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:01,520
And I was like, yeah, but you got the factory smoked sweets, which is infinitely better.

1044
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,400
Now having smoked both of them.

1045
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,000
These cost more than double the price of a factory smoked.

1046
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,000
Holy shit.

1047
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,000
More than double.

1048
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,000
Yeah.

1049
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,000
These are about the price of a Moontrans.

1050
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,000
Which is still a budget.

1051
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,000
OK.

1052
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,840
Well, if we're paying the price of a Moontrans, then fucking smoke a Moontrans.

1053
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:17,840
You know what I mean?

1054
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:18,840
I agree.

1055
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:19,840
No, I completely agree.

1056
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:20,840
I know you agree.

1057
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:21,840
Yeah.

1058
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:28,320
But that's the point of the show.

1059
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,280
Is it worth it to spend double the factory sweets on these?

1060
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,000
No, absolutely not.

1061
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,720
But is it worth it to spend the same price on a Moontrans?

1062
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:39,160
100% all day long.

1063
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,840
Take that to the bank and whatever they say, I guess.

1064
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,200
I don't know what the algo speak for that is.

1065
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,680
Don't have your accountant look into it because that means sex worker.

1066
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:53,400
So I don't know why you'd be sharing your cigar purchases with your sex worker, but

1067
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:54,760
you do you.

1068
00:53:54,760 --> 00:54:00,000
That one took me totally by surprise because again, I'm not looking for that sort of content.

1069
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:06,400
You're not looking, but the reasoning behind it is accountant is such a benign and boring

1070
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,880
job that nobody's going to look further into it.

1071
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,440
Somebody starts mentioning like, oh yeah, I spoke with my accountant the other day.

1072
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,600
You're going to be like, I don't give a fuck.

1073
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,560
Where's the spicy memes at?

1074
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,040
But they're really talking like they banged their sex worker or something.

1075
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,040
Like I don't know.

1076
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,040
Who knows?

1077
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,040
I don't know what these kids do these days.

1078
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,440
Had a date with an Olympian.

1079
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,000
Indian.

1080
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,320
Yeah.

1081
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,960
At least we can make drill rap and put it on the radio.

1082
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:33,960
Yeah.

1083
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:34,960
Oh shit.

1084
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:35,960
The cops are here.

1085
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:36,960
What the fuck?

1086
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:37,960
Just kidding.

1087
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:38,960
So.

1088
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:39,960
All right.

1089
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:46,840
Well, uh, get the factory smoke sweet instead of either of these.

1090
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:53,080
But if you see the Indian head rough rider sweets, Connecticut, not a bad pick, not a

1091
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,080
bad pick.

1092
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,080
I agree.

1093
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,080
Thanks for listening.

1094
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:57,080
Be safe.

1095
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:21,120
Welcome back guys.