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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Mike.

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And I'm Nate.

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What are we smoking, Mike?

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Well, going with our last episode, we are going to be smoking a Rocky Patel Broadleaf.

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This one is not a torpedo, and I would say it's a toro.

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Not a toro.

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It's not quite wide enough.

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I would say it's a long robusto, but...

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Yeah, could be.

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I am quite excited for the Broadleaf.

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I'm a little less excited after having smoked the Connecticut.

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We're recording this one immediately after last week's episode, and I did have to run

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in and grab some Scotch to get the taste of the last wrapper out of my mouth.

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And taking two swigs of Scotch and holding it in my mouth has effectively cleansed my

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palate.

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So, thank you, Scotch.

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But very similar label, both of these, we didn't mention, you can see it in the episode

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picture.

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And also we have more pictures of the cigar that we smoke on our Instagram page.

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So we have one kind of standard image for our episode cover art, and then I take pictures

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throughout the smoke of the stick and put them on our Instagram.

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So if you want to see more pictures of the cigars being smoked, that is a place to do

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it.

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So we have the style, so the Broadleaf is in big bold letters, and then by Rocky Patel

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is in short, italicized script underneath.

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And it was the same for the Connecticut where the Connecticut took up most of the label

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and the Rocky Patel took up the remainder underneath small.

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I, man, I don't know what it is.

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I got a weird taste in my mouth with the initial lighting.

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And for some reason, it made me think of like slightly burnt frozen pizza coming out of

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the oven.

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I don't know if that was just me, weird or the scotch.

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I don't know.

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I haven't had that much scotch, just the two swigs.

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Yes, it was slightly burnt.

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Still is first couple puffs, slightly burnt, not acetone, kind of, I see where you get,

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I would say like burnt bread.

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Yeah, yeah, like the pizza crust is kind of what I was thinking.

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You burn the bottom of the crust or something and you think it's like a good pizza and then

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you just get that burnt taste.

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Right, not unpleasant in my opinion.

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It's not unpleasant.

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It was a surprise, but you know, it's the first, we always have to be generous in the

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first inch, half inch to an inch of a cigar for sure because some of them just don't start

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well.

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Yeah, that's kind of a theme around here with the reasonably priced cigars.

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Yeah, yeah, it definitely can be.

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Palette cleansers definitely recommended for some of them.

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For this one, I would say you need to clear it off a little.

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Yeah, that is true.

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And my girl, my girl Rocky, she's not taking care of us these last two sticks.

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Well, the stick is young with this one, still of legal age, but you know, we have plenty

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of stick left to go for this one to turn.

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Turn it around and redeem these two.

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Maybe we got spoiled by the edge, you know, I think we've liked every edge we've smoked,

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particularly the edge fuma.

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Yes, which is coming up here in a couple of weeks.

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We're going to do a edge Corojo comparison to a edge Corojo fuma.

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So I'm excited.

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I'm excited.

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We're going to do the edge first and then the fuma.

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So we should have the real deal and then we'll see the copycat.

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Perfect.

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Yes, yes.

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Or what you would consider made of slightly lesser bits.

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Yeah, it's not a copycat in the literal sense.

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It's yeah.

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The even the even more budget version of the budget stick, which of course the edge fuma

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performed very well previously that we've smoked.

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So those I'm looking forward to this one after I kind of let it sit for just a little bit.

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I think the burnt taste is gone.

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Still not an entirely overwhelming positive taste, but for me it's rounded out maybe quarter

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of an inch in.

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It's rounded out.

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It's dark, not overly dark.

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Still a little burnt, but not in an unpleasant way.

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It's like the La Croix of burnt.

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It was stored near something that was burning.

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What are we talking about this episode, Mike?

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Well, this is a Nate knows.

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And I was told specifically after being sent a website to not look at it.

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Yes.

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And I didn't.

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And I didn't.

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I do have some background information.

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That was a test and you've passed.

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Yes.

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I have background information just being a fan of politics as I am.

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But we're going to be talking about Project 2025.

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Indeed, which you've heard bandied about the news and there are some liberal people out

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there that are getting excited that the one of the most searched for things on Google

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has been Project 2025.

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They think it's some secret hidden thing that nobody should be looking at and that it's

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super nefarious.

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And we're going to go through this.

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Now, Mike, I want to tell you full disclosure.

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And I want to tell I want to tell the listeners full disclosure.

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You can go and Google Project 2025 and you can download the full mandate for leadership

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PDF, or you can buy the book if you want to spend money on something like this.

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This is a 922 page mandate for leadership, leadership plan, transition plan, whatever

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it might be.

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It's 922 pages.

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Do you know what Nate did not do?

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Read 922 pages in the last four days.

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That's right.

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So I thought what better time, what better way to live in 2024.

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I fired up my buddy, the old chat GPT, not a sponsor.

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And I asked it to not only summarize Project 2025 for me, but to give me talking points

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for a podcast episode.

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And it gave me bullet points and it wanted me to fill out those bullet points.

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And I told it, why don't you fill out those bullet points?

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And it did.

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So I'm mostly going to be going off of what the chat GPT told me.

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This is not an episode written by AI.

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This is consuming the data into digestible tidbits so that Mike and I can give our input.

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So chat GPT is not writing what Mike and I are saying right now.

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Oh, wait, chat GPT wants me to go wink, wink.

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I'm just kidding.

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No, I had it summarize the data and kind of break it down into digestible chunks for us

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to talk about.

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So I'm going to put the document up so we can certainly do a control F or search within

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the document to get to what we need to find.

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I did want to kind of verbatim at the beginning because I did read the first 10 or so pages

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of it.

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I did want to read some of that before we get into going and breaking it down fully.

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Does that sound good, Mike?

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Well, Nate, period.

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I think this is going to be great.

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Exhalation point.

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Pause.

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So I just wanted to mention up front, I'm not reading 922 pages of any political mumbo

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jumbo.

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And I suppose that's the problem, right?

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Is they make all the bills that they pass 900 pages, so nobody will read it.

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Can I just say this?

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I'm getting vibes here.

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I'm getting sovereign citizen vibes immediately just from the language you're using to describe

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it.

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Is that?

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So I could download it for free, but I had to send them a self-addressed in brackets

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and the zip code.

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And then they sent it to me on my email.

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So I don't know why I had to send them a letter, an envelope.

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It was a stamp with your legal name, not your birth certificate name.

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And they said, protect this at all costs.

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We don't want people Googling this.

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I want to read from the beginning a bit from the kind of the introduction.

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I think that's what they call it.

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They call the introduction bit a promise to America.

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So the first sentence, the first few sentences here, 44 years ago, the United States and

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the conservative movement were in dire straits.

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The sultans of swing were not there, I guess, unfortunately.

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Both had been betrayed by the Washington establishment and were uncertain whom to trust.

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Both were internally splintered and strategically adrift.

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So they're trying to rectify something that happened 44 years ago.

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I'm not 44 years old.

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I don't know what they're talking about.

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They're talking about the 1970s, I guess, or something and Cold War bullshit and blah,

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blah, blah.

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And then they go on for a few paragraphs.

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And then they go, the bad news today is that our political establishment and cultural elite

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have once again driven America toward decline.

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The good news is that we know the way out, even though the challenges today are not what

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they were in the 1970s.

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So for something that's supposedly project 2025, it's written like this is project 1970.2

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or something.

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But don't take my word for it.

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They will say it for me.

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Conservatives should be confident that we can rescue our kids, reclaim our culture,

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revive our economy and defeat the anti American left at home and abroad.

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We did it before and we'll do it again.

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As Ronald Reagan put it, freedom is a fragile thing and it's never more than one generation

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away from extinction.

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It's not ours by way of inheritance.

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It must be fought for and defended constantly by each generation unless it's making colleges

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a for profit thing that we can also make money off of as the government because fuck people

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that want to be educated.

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I'm sorry, that last bit was me.

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But Ronald Reagan said it in so many policies.

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Let's go back here.

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44 years ago is when Ronald Reagan was elected to office.

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So they're trying to correct something that happened when Ronald Reagan was elected to

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Is that what I'm picking up here?

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I never said this is intelligent.

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They love Ronald Reagan.

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He's the one that reclaimed.

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They're saying Ronald Reagan was what got the conservatives back on track.

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Oh, with his dog whistling that the Democratic Party changed.

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He didn't.

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You have to understand this is the conservative promise.

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This is the opening.

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So this is the kind of, this is where I kind of stopped reading because it's so much fucking

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bullshit.

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So then it goes, this volume, the conservative promise is the opening salvo of the 2025 presidential

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transition project launched by the Heritage Foundation and our many partners in April

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2022.

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It's 30 chapters and well over 900 pages might I add, lay out hundreds of clear and concrete

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policy recommendations for the White House.

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So this is just the Heritage Foundation and partners and there's 15 pages of partners

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listed or 20 pages of partners listed at the beginning of this thing and opening salvo.

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So they're already using militaristic and bombastic language.

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So I already hate it.

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You know what I mean?

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Well, we've already established at least between the two of us, maybe not with the people who

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are listening that both of the major political parties in the United States have fascist

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tendencies.

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So that's why we have the war on whatever the social problem is of the day instead of

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coming up with policy solutions that would help mitigate consequences of people making

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free choices that have negative societal consequences.

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You know what's funny is didn't Ronald Reagan, did he start the war on drugs?

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Who started the war on drugs?

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Nixon.

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Nixon.

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Well, congratulations to drugs for winning that war and a heartfelt congratulations to

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Joe Biden for winning the war on Medicare.

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Thank you, Joe.

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All right, so they have four broad fronts.

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These are the battlefields that these Heritage Foundation and agents want to strike at.

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They think these are the fronts that will decide America's future.

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Four of them.

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Mike, and you can tell me what you think of these.

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Number one is restore the family is the centerpiece of American life and protect our children.

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I'm pretty sure that the number one threat to children is bad family.

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I thought the number one threat to children was priests and pastors and deacons, but I

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could be wrong.

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School teachers are technically more dangerous.

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Just throwing it out there.

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Okay, sure.

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But that does all of those boil down to their family not actually taking care of the things

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that the family is supposed to take care of and pushing their responsibilities off on

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Number two, dismantle the administrative state and return self-governance to the American

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people, which is actually one I agree with, at least on face value, let's say.

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On face value, I would have to look at what exactly they're talking about.

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Are they talking about changing the limits on how many birds you can shoot or are they

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talking about something a little more nefarious?

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Yes.

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Well, we'll get there, Mike.

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Number three is defend our nation's sovereignty, borders and bounty against global threats.

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We're defending our bounty now, I guess.

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And then four, which is, I don't know, queue up, proud to be an American, right?

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Get it ready, Mike.

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Get it ready.

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Secure our God given individual rights to live freely, what our constitution calls the

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blessings of liberty.

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Okay.

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You missed your cue.

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I'm not hearing the track.

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I'm not hearing the song.

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I got my patriotic boner.

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It's ready, Mike.

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That's just babble.

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That's just babble.

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That's nonsense talk.

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It doesn't mean anything.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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But now here we go.

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These are the failures and then they go on a couple paragraphs, not important.

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And they go, Reagan defeated these beasts by ignoring their tentacles and striking instead

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at their hearts.

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His approach to the Cold War, we win and they lose.

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Hey, congratulations.

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You've seen a football match.

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Good for you.

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His economic agenda, the human dignity of work and his many rewards.

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That's not an, I don't think that's an agenda.

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That's a bumper sticker.

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And they go on.

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I don't understand what they're even saying.

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I don't even understand what that means.

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I'll be a hundred percent honest.

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I'm trying not to be obtuse and contrarian to-

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Hey man, I'm right there with you.

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Not you.

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Not me.

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Not me.

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Yeah, not you.

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I didn't write this thing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I just don't understand what it means.

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Yes.

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And I want it to be clear that this is part of the big reason why I had ChatGPT summarize

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this for us because I swear to God, I don't know what they're trying to do.

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I think they think Reagan is more well-loved than he actually is in retrospect, but I don't

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know.

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Let's see.

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So I wanted, there was one bit in here.

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Oh yeah, here we go.

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Here we go.

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Here we go.

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This is it.

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This is it.

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This is the, this is the one.

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Today, the left is threatening the tax exempt status of churches and charities that reject

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woke progressivism.

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They will soon turn to Christian schools and clubs with the same totalitarian intent.

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Right?

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They're talking about the totalitarian state of the left.

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The next conservative president must make the institutions of America civil society

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hard targets for woke culture warriors.

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This starts with deleting the terms, deleting terms.

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This is not totalitarian, by the way.

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The left is the only one that's totalitarian.

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Deleting terms is not in any way, shape or form totalitarian.

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Totalitarian, totalitarian.

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Sorry.

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They use all these big words like they think they know what they mean, but they don't.

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Uh, so they're going to delete the terms, sexual orientation and gender identity, diversity,

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equity and inclusion, gender, gender equality, gender equity, gender awareness, gender sensitive,

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abortion, reproductive health, reproductive rights, and any other term used to deprive

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Americans of their first amendment rights.

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So they're deleting terms to save the first amendment?

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That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard in my entire life.

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That is idiotic.

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Restricting language is, in my opinion, never a viable solution.

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Yeah.

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I have to read this next bit and then I'm going to, I'm going to switch you over because

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we could just go, we could go, I don't know, how many episodes would it take for us to

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read 920 pages of this, Mike?

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It'd be like 20 episodes, but I want to read this next paragraph and then we're going to

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get into the summation and the summaries and stuff like that.

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I just, this is, this is their starting.

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This is their forward.

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This, this is, this is like watching the debate that we just talked about.

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This is a train wreck already.

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Okay.

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So the next thing after they're talking about stripping everybody of their first amendment

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right to protect the first amendment, right?

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Pornography manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology and sexualization

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of children, for instance, is not a political Gordian knot inextricably binding up disparate

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claims about free speech, property rights, sexual liberation, child welfare.

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It has no claim to first amendment protection.

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Its purveyors are child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women.

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I'm pretty sure pornography existed before any transgender ideology came into the public

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knowledge awareness.

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They used to have the oldest that through the place always been around.

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Well I'm getting to that.

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So back in the day before we had a more progressive Supreme Court in the 1930s.

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And before women could own credit cards.

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Yeah.

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Before women could own credit cards or own property or whatever, the post office was

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the one who managed and banned pornography because people would send pornography to the

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mail and then the post office would search your mail and arrest people for sending pornography

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through the mail, which I guess I don't know if that's like the level that they're talking

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about but it seems like a pretty restrictive effort, especially when other countries have

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banned Renaissance art for having nudity.

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And I know that there are certain religious institutions that have called for censoring

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art, actual art in museum art, not what we would consider pornography today.

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They're a little more extreme with their interpretation of what pornography is.

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And I think, I don't know, you can make the argument that any art that shows nudity is

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I guess pornographic, but then you would also have to make the argument that looking at

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yourself in the mirror is pornographic.

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Just because somebody is naked doesn't mean they're penetrating somebody else in a sexual

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fashion or you know what I mean?

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Like I don't know all the definitions and all of that stuff.

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I think there is a lot when they're talking about sex offenders and people taking advantage

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of children, if children are taught about their body and bodily autonomy, they can say

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no to things earlier or tell somebody who can stop things before something happens because

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a lot of the child predators and things have a grooming process.

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So if they know what's comfortable and not comfortable to them, they can easily tell

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somebody I'm uncomfortable around this person and here's why.

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But I don't think you get that by getting rid of art that shows bodies.

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I don't think you need to look at art that shows bodies to do that.

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But I think being willing and able to talk about bodies is very important.

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And I think being able to use terms that haven't been deleted out of I don't know where, I

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don't know how they're going to delete all these words, but you can't delete words and

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have greater understanding of things.

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That's not how that works.

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This is to me on the surface, an attempt to remove the responsibility of parents to be

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involved with their children's lives and put that responsibility on others.

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Oh, but it's not Mike because their next paragraph after they're talking about pornography should

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be outlawed, the people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned.

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There's a public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders.

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How many, when you were going through school, Mike, how many times were you handed a titty

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mag from your teacher?

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Nate, you already know the answer to that.

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I do want to make the statement.

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We live in a country and I brought this up before, I don't know on the show, but to you,

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where you can watch the Lord of the Rings and orcs can get their heads cut off, but

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no blood and that's a PG-13.

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13 year olds can legally go on their own.

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They will not be stopped, but if an incidental genitalia gets exposed, it's rated R.

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Yes.

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Or if a cigarette is smoked, it's rated R.

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So.

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Or if they say fuck more than once, it's rated R because you can go to a movie PG-13 and

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they're allowed one fuck, not a mother fuck, but a regular fuck, but it can't be used in

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the term, it can't be used in a sexual manner.

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So they can't say you are fucking her, but they can say, oh fuck.

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Right.

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So there's a little distinction there.

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It's goofy.

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What I'm saying is that in a normal human lifespan, you are going to see other people

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naked on occasion.

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You are not probably going to see somebody's head cut off with a sword.

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Hopefully not.

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Hopefully, I mean in a normal human life.

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I mean, these people are forgetting about the gym locker room where you change our gym

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teacher, Giant Perv, kept the door open while the boys and the girls were changing in his

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office.

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The office sat between the two locker rooms.

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Now you could say, well, he has to kind of like keep an eye so that nobody's bullying

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anybody else or something like that.

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But on the other hand, there's minors changing.

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So I don't know.

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I don't know what to do with that.

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In our, well, this is not the good part.

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We're getting off the topic.

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Our real gym teacher would do the same, but he was not looking at all.

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He was solely listening for a fight to break out in the boys locker room more or less.

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I don't think he had access to the girls locker room, but the boys locker room-

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Ours had access to both.

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Both.

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Okay.

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Both were open.

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So- Yeah.

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He was just listening to make sure nobody was fighting.

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He was also a football coach.

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So yeah.

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And had a wife and all that extra stuff.

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He wasn't a creep by any means.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if this guy was actually a creep or not.

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It was just, it was one of those situations where it's like, we're changing in here.

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The door's open.

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I can kind of like lean back and he's sitting there at his desk, which is facing both doors,

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by the way.

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And he could go and you couldn't see into the women's locker, the girls locker room,

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but you could see that the door was open and presumably it was the similar layout just

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mirrored.

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And so he could see equally into both of them, which is just weird enough for me.

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It's just weird enough for me.

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Anyway, then they go on to say, in our schools, the question of parental authority over their

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children's education is a simple one.

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Schools serve parents, not the other way around.

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Then they go on to say, no, no, no, no, no.

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The parents need to have the ultimate say.

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So it seems like they need to make up their minds or they're conflating two things that

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aren't, aren't equal.

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So but now let's get into some of it.

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Okay.

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I just, I had to read some of those things because I was reading these and I was thinking

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the exact same thoughts you were thinking.

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I'm like, what are they talking about and how are they going to do any of this?

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And how does this relate to anything?

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You can't protect the first amendment by deleting words and outlawing art that you don't agree

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with.

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Uh, I think we've already established that I'm very close to a free speech absolutist.

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Yes.

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Uh, very close.

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And you can, and you can flame me and say pornography isn't art.

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I don't know.

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I think, I don't care either.

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I think anything that somebody creates can be art and it just so happens it's not an

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art form you prefer to consume.

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And maybe, and there are some people who say I'm an adult.

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I don't watch cartoons.

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Great.

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Are you going to outlaw cartoons for adults then?

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Like what, like, no, who cares?

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You just don't consume it.

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You don't like it.

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Don't consume it.

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That's the basic simplest thing.

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If you don't like it, don't consume it.

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A little closer to home for me.

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I'm an outdoorsman and I am against destroying our federal lands and natural resources.

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And I am for protecting the environment so that future generations can have the same

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hobbies that I have.

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Yes.

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I do not want people who say let's kill all the deer and turn everything into concrete

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and pump jacks and industrialized areas banned.

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I don't want them to just be silenced.

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I want there to be a debate so people can weigh in on whether or not they want to just

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flatten the mountain and take all the resources or leave the mountain there for people to

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enjoy recreationally.

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Yes.

497
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:35,940
Along those same lines, Mike, there are, and this is just, this is a reality.

498
00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:40,240
There are things needed to have the society we have today.

499
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,800
There's no other way to say it.

500
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:42,960
You need to feed people.

501
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:51,200
You need to provide them energy and water and resources and goods and things.

502
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,480
Like those things have to happen and roads have to happen.

503
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,000
It's a necessity of our way of life.

504
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:02,200
And you could have people that say, oh, we should all just live in yurts and canvas tents

505
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,000
and be one with nature and this and that.

506
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:11,560
And that's fine, but you don't get mass production of yurts and canvas tents without the infrastructure.

507
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,160
So you have to have some sort of infrastructure.

508
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:21,200
That being said, there are a lot of movements worldwide in major metropolitan areas to create

509
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:29,880
more green space, parks, trees, reserves, reserves for animals and more pedestrian lanes

510
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,840
and bike lanes and walking paths and nature bike trails.

511
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:41,240
So to your point, they're not mutually exclusive wanting to preserve nature and preserve society.

512
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,400
They're not mutually exclusive.

513
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,840
You don't have to say I want nature to the extinction of society or I want society to

514
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,440
the extinction of nature.

515
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,200
There's things and ways to do things and make sense.

516
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:57,120
And the pandemic proved that there's all of these business complexes, business leases

517
00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:01,240
and these business buildings that are vacant and nobody's ever coming back to them.

518
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,080
Green space, green space, those green space, them make them green spaces.

519
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,320
You know, I don't know.

520
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,680
Does it make money for the companies that own the lease or own the properties?

521
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:10,920
No, probably not.

522
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,240
There's probably a government grant for it.

523
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,240
So someone's going to make money.

524
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,560
It's not going to be you or I.

525
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,480
But, you know, I'm just saying there's ways to do to achieve both.

526
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,400
And it starts with the conversation for sure.

527
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,400
I agree.

528
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,600
And that's I'm for that conversation.

529
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:29,040
Minneapolis, a city we both know and love, they have a huge amount of green space along

530
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,760
the rivers and those rivers produce a lot of wildlife.

531
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,460
And there's arguments about whether or not they should allow hunting there.

532
00:26:35,460 --> 00:26:36,460
And they currently do.

533
00:26:36,460 --> 00:26:40,480
You have to get special licensing and all this stuff to be able to shoot deer with bows

534
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,600
and everything like that.

535
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,520
And I'm for shooting the deer.

536
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,880
But that's the conversation that I want to have.

537
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:52,240
There should be pushback against that in case somebody gets a little over aggressive about

538
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,760
whatever their agenda is.

539
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:55,760
Nobody has all the answers.

540
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,720
But you know who does have all the answers is the Heritage Foundation and Ronald Reagan.

541
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,720
Somehow Ronald Reagan returned.

542
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,720
All right.

543
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,800
So the project 2025 is an initiative by the Heritage Foundation.

544
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,880
It aims to prepare conservative leadership and policies for the next Republican presidential

545
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,880
administration.

546
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:21,440
And in the actual document, they said the next conservative president in 2025 needs

547
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,440
these things.

548
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,680
So they have already assumed that the conservative candidate who's not officially been named

549
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,160
yet will win.

550
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,080
It's a good guess right now.

551
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,080
I'm just saying.

552
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

553
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,740
It's not it's not out of the realm of being entirely possible.

554
00:27:35,740 --> 00:27:37,920
So it's a comprehensive governance blueprint.

555
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,640
It offers detailed policy proposals, administrative strategies and personnel recommendations.

556
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:48,040
It focuses on reforms in immigration, health care, energy policy, education and regulatory

557
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,400
practices.

558
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,480
And it identifies and trains individuals for key government positions to ensure effective

559
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,260
implementation of the aforementioned policies.

560
00:27:56,260 --> 00:28:02,360
And it has an implementation strategy where the emphasis is on swift and decisive action

561
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:05,800
in the early days of the administration to secure the policy goals.

562
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:06,920
They don't want to mess about.

563
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,640
They want these instituted right now.

564
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,720
They want pornography banned right now.

565
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:16,480
They want all these woke words, heavy air quotes, deleted, just gone, erased off of

566
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,840
the face of the planet.

567
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,360
They're the real threat to America, not foreign powers, not immigration.

568
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:23,680
It's these words.

569
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,280
I don't know how to stress that to everybody listening.

570
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,860
Words are dangerous, okay?

571
00:28:28,860 --> 00:28:35,000
This sounds an awful lot like a conservative version, a Christian conservative version

572
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,560
of the World Economic Forum.

573
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,280
I do not disagree at all.

574
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,720
Also, cigar check.

575
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,720
I'm about halfway.

576
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:41,720
Okay.

577
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,800
I'm about a third in, so I got to smoke a little more.

578
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,360
I've been doing more talking, so I'll pick it up.

579
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,400
Well, I'll have to slow down a little because I'm starting to really enjoy this cigar.

580
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,400
Okay.

581
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,640
It's so far it's been kind of meh for me.

582
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,200
It's been fine.

583
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,160
Nothing special.

584
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,120
Really better than the cadet kit.

585
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,120
The burnt taste is gone, which is great.

586
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:06,240
I'm getting a rounded, smoky, I'm still getting that burnt undertone now you put it in my

587
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,240
head.

588
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:14,920
It's rounded and smoky, very dark medium body flavor profile.

589
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,560
I'm really enjoying it.

590
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,560
Okay.

591
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,560
Shockingly.

592
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,360
I was not expecting a lot after the last one.

593
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,360
Maybe that's...

594
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,080
Yeah, it's totally tampered my expectations the last one did.

595
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,080
Right.

596
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,640
Maybe it's because I haven't smoked a cigar in a while before the last one.

597
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:32,640
That's been way too hot.

598
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,880
Yeah, it has been way hot.

599
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,600
It's been so, so hot, but I'm really enjoying it.

600
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:47,280
It's not something that yet, something that I would say go out and buy, but so far it's

601
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,280
good.

602
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,080
It's not anything special necessarily, but it's solid.

603
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,280
No, I would say so far it's fine.

604
00:29:54,280 --> 00:30:02,560
It leaned pretty heavy on the burnt the first couple puffs, which was an interesting flavor.

605
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,700
I know that we're literally lighting tobacco leaves and inhaling them, but it's not something

606
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:10,760
that you necessarily look for in a cigar to taste burnt.

607
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,460
I agree with Mike.

608
00:30:12,460 --> 00:30:14,060
It's definitely rounding out.

609
00:30:14,060 --> 00:30:16,840
It's getting better as it goes.

610
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:24,160
There's hope there, but again, right now it's not a recommend, but it's one of those ones

611
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:30,560
where at least at present, if it were offered to me from somebody, I wouldn't turn it away.

612
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:31,880
Agreed so far.

613
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:32,880
Yeah.

614
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,080
The key areas that we just mentioned, the immigration, they have immigration, healthcare,

615
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,940
energy, education, and regulatory reforms.

616
00:30:39,940 --> 00:30:45,920
They want to strengthen the borders, reform the immigration system, and enforce existing

617
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,920
laws.

618
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:52,920
They want to increase competition in healthcare, reduce regulations, which I think is a fantastic

619
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,200
idea, if anything needs to be less regulated, it's healthcare, and provide more choices

620
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,200
to consumers.

621
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,360
Now, I do agree with increasing competition and in providing more choices to consumers.

622
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,900
I don't know that the reduction of regulations is going to accomplish that goal.

623
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:15,060
I know the big companies in healthcare basically buy the politicians and keep all the smaller

624
00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:20,720
things off of the market through the rigorous FDA testing that they have to do, but I don't

625
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:27,520
know, is that regulation or is that monopolistic, whatever behavior?

626
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,860
Even if it's legal.

627
00:31:28,860 --> 00:31:35,980
Is it competent regulation or has our system devolved to the point where it's monopolistic

628
00:31:35,980 --> 00:31:38,640
control of the regulator?

629
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:45,040
Are we in a fascist system where the monopolies get to dictate the regulations to limit their

630
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,920
competition, which is probably, in my opinion, where we're at.

631
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,280
That's the issue with the regulation.

632
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,360
It's not the regulations.

633
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:58,440
It's the method we've used has allowed the biggest players to eliminate any competition.

634
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,880
Yeah, and the twisting of those regulations, which we talked about briefly in the, or not

635
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,280
briefly, but we talked about it in the debate episode, our previous episode, where they

636
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:14,540
set forth these rules to exclude competition, basically, RFK Jr.

637
00:32:14,540 --> 00:32:20,960
But those rules should have also excluded Trump and Biden, but they didn't because reasons,

638
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:21,960
right?

639
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,840
So I think that's kind of where our healthcare is.

640
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,400
The rules are there that should allow competition, but it doesn't because reasons.

641
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:35,120
The next area of focus is energy, emphasis on achieving energy independence through deregulation

642
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,560
and promoting domestic energy production.

643
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,100
So again, they want to deregulate a lot.

644
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:45,720
And in my younger days, I would say rah rah, get rid of all the regulations and let the

645
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:46,880
free market decide.

646
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,600
But the problem is the free market doesn't decide, the corporate entities decide.

647
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:57,120
So until they start saying stripping corporations of rights, I don't want anything deregulated.

648
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,120
I want more regulations.

649
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:05,800
I have insider information about the energy industry because I worked in the energy industry.

650
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:13,360
And I don't think they mean deregulating permits to allow energy companies to build new facilities.

651
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,080
I think they mean environmental regulations.

652
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:22,840
And most responsible energy producers don't actually want environmental regulations to

653
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:23,840
be decreased.

654
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:30,440
A lot of them want them to be increased to give them competitive advantage over less

655
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,560
responsible producers, right?

656
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,380
But they do want to build new facilities.

657
00:33:35,380 --> 00:33:38,360
And right now, we're not building new facilities.

658
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,560
And that's a problem.

659
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:44,880
So I can see, I don't think they mean allow new facilities to be built.

660
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:51,400
I think they mean allow energy producers to pollute, to protect the less scrupulous, less

661
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,800
responsible producers.

662
00:33:53,800 --> 00:34:01,120
I would be willing or eager to agree with you with your assessment of that based on

663
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,640
what I read verbatim from their actual foreword.

664
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,040
They're all wearing the bracelets.

665
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,560
What would Ronald Reagan do?

666
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,560
Right.

667
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,560
Yeah.

668
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,480
What Ronald Reagan did caused environmental restrictions on energy companies because acid

669
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,800
rain was killing off the forests in the western part of the nation.

670
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:18,800
Yeah.

671
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,840
I don't know why those west coasters can't just suck it up and deal with the acid rain.

672
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:23,840
Right.

673
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:24,840
Just kidding.

674
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:25,840
All right.

675
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:26,840
Education.

676
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:27,840
Advocating for school choice.

677
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:33,140
So they want universal school choice, parental control, reducing federal involvement in education.

678
00:34:33,140 --> 00:34:34,140
Which is a mistake.

679
00:34:34,140 --> 00:34:35,140
Dog whistle.

680
00:34:35,140 --> 00:34:36,140
Yeah.

681
00:34:36,140 --> 00:34:37,140
Potentially a dog whistle.

682
00:34:37,140 --> 00:34:43,800
I believe, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, I don't disagree with some school choice.

683
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,580
I mean, I really like why isn't all school free?

684
00:34:48,580 --> 00:34:49,820
But that's a different question.

685
00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:54,400
But advocating for school choice is you're going to end up, I believe you can correct

686
00:34:54,400 --> 00:35:01,760
me if I'm wrong, Mike, I believe you will end up with pretty drastically segregated

687
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:02,800
schools.

688
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,040
That is the potential dog whistle.

689
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:13,640
Just like how charter schools can end up being segregated, let's call it, if they're done

690
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:14,640
in a certain way.

691
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,300
It all depends on how you set the rules up.

692
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:25,540
But if you deregulate, then you're allowing people to discriminate based on physical characteristics

693
00:35:25,540 --> 00:35:26,540
and not...

694
00:35:26,540 --> 00:35:29,680
And even, you know, economic, socioeconomic.

695
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,520
In the modern world, it would be based on socioeconomics and religion.

696
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,760
It wouldn't necessarily be on race.

697
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,320
Because Edina is not going to exclude a family just because they're the wrong race.

698
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,240
They're going to exclude people based on their economic status.

699
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:46,640
Yeah, but I don't think school choice is the school's choice.

700
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,480
I think that's the parents' choice.

701
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,480
It is.

702
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,800
It is the parents themselves allowing their children to go to certain schools and then

703
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,580
having the schools have the right to not take students because school A can't take every

704
00:35:59,580 --> 00:36:00,960
student in the whole planet.

705
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:01,960
Right?

706
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,640
They have to limit it.

707
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,520
So how do you set the rules to where the administrators get to deny students?

708
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,520
Right?

709
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,640
So they can deny a student for any reason and that reason could be not the one they

710
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,640
say it is.

711
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,640
Exactly.

712
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,000
The same for terminations in the corporate world.

713
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:26,800
You're terminated due to performance or economic budget reasons, not because of your skin color

714
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,560
or gender or anything else.

715
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,760
But the promotion is based on blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

716
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,120
It's not based on performance or whatever.

717
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,520
There's funny language to allow bad acting.

718
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,200
Funnily enough, that language isn't the language they want to delete.

719
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,560
Real mysterious that.

720
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,640
Next up is regulatory reforms.

721
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:53,760
They want to reduce bureaucratic red tape, which I think everybody should be down for

722
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,800
simplifying regulations.

723
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,440
And here's the kicker, Mike.

724
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:58,520
Here's the kicker.

725
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,200
They're promoting a business friendly environment.

726
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,400
Where's all this family talk you were talking about earlier?

727
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,080
You want to promote a business friendly environment?

728
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,960
Shouldn't it be a family friendly environment or more specifically a small business friendly

729
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:13,960
environment?

730
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,460
You know what's really anti-business friendly?

731
00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:17,460
Safety regulations.

732
00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:18,460
Whoa.

733
00:37:18,460 --> 00:37:19,460
And they what?

734
00:37:19,460 --> 00:37:20,960
They want to get rid of a lot of regulations?

735
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:21,960
Weird.

736
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,720
That has to be a weird coincidence.

737
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:26,160
They can't possibly mean what I think we think they mean.

738
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,160
Right.

739
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:34,760
And the best part about all this is that OSHA started under Nixon because working in construction

740
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,680
and in certain manufacturing was a fucking death trap.

741
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,300
And even Nixon had to correct the wrongs that were going on.

742
00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:45,320
They want to roll back to that?

743
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,320
That doesn't make any sense.

744
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,920
Well, it does from a certain perspective.

745
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,080
Reagan was Jesus and Trump is Jesus 2.0 or 3.0.

746
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:58,280
I don't remember what update we're on on the old Jesus, but it's up there.

747
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,840
Never deny the Messiah.

748
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,560
Okay, my friend.

749
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,400
The sleeper has awoken.

750
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,400
My dune, my arachis.

751
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,040
Then they've got personnel and administrative strategy.

752
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,600
They're going to identify and train individuals who align with these values they've outlined.

753
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,880
They have a pool of qualified candidates already ready to step into the roles from day one.

754
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,500
And they're going to have a well-prepared team in place.

755
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:27,280
And they want to avoid delays and ensure that the administration can hit the ground running.

756
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,700
Which is just good planning.

757
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:29,700
It's just good planning.

758
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:32,160
Sorry your kid has to go to a shit hole school.

759
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,160
It's just good planning.

760
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,040
Sorry you're destroying the environment.

761
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,040
It's just good planning.

762
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,040
Yeah.

763
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,840
Sorry your employer doesn't have to provide safety equipment.

764
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:40,840
It's okay.

765
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,920
Sorry you can't have a, huh, what is it?

766
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,480
I wish I had a word to describe what it is when you're pregnant and you can't be pregnant

767
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,480
or don't want to be pregnant.

768
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,880
I don't know what that term is.

769
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,680
I can't say it anymore because that was deleted.

770
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,960
The actual fuck.

771
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:56,960
Okay.

772
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,720
They've got a whole section on importance of early action.

773
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:02,840
So the thing is, you know what this sounds like to me?

774
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,840
This sounds like that Toby Keith album, Shock and Ah, which was also our military strategy

775
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,280
in the Middle East after 9-11.

776
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:15,140
They want, they're saying the first 100 days of a new administration are critical to set

777
00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:18,240
the tone and achieving early policy wins.

778
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:24,400
I don't know how many new presidents come in and do stuff in the first 100 days.

779
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,680
I don't know that that's how politics works because politics isn't really about action.

780
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:33,600
It's about sucking up to one another and finding out who has the most power or something like

781
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,600
that.

782
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:35,600
But that's what they want to do.

783
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,840
First 100 days, they want to get all this stuff done.

784
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,400
They want to secure momentum and establish a strong foundation for the administration

785
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:47,280
priorities as if they haven't been watching every president for the past, what did they

786
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,080
say, 44 years?

787
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,040
Each president kind of gets one thing that they can do.

788
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:57,200
And then there's the filibusters and the arguing and the things not passing and then the president

789
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,000
trying to override and the vetoes and the overriding the vetoes.

790
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,280
And are they in the same country we are, Mike?

791
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,640
I don't, do they seem a little out of touch with how things work or am I out of touch?

792
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:13,820
It sounds like a great propaganda piece to appeal to the base.

793
00:40:13,820 --> 00:40:19,440
And then it gives their political opposition a talking point because the real goal is to

794
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:27,760
keep people talking about bullshit like this instead of real reforms that would help our

795
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:28,760
society.

796
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:35,760
Because I have noticed nowhere did they talk about reforming the drug classification system

797
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:36,760
or...

798
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,760
Well, that's an interesting...

799
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,520
Reforming the tax code, right?

800
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:49,880
There are things that we need, reforming criminal justice, reforming policing and police training.

801
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:55,400
And maybe we do need more police and then the police also need more training.

802
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,440
And so you need fewer police hours on the street and more in the classroom.

803
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,320
So maybe you do need to increase the police to have a better police force.

804
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,320
Right?

805
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,320
Yeah.

806
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:12,560
So I did a quick search, they mentioned drugs 96 times in 900 pages.

807
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,840
The next one they talk about after pornography was they're talking about Big Tech and the

808
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,480
worst of these companies prey on children like drug dealers.

809
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,360
Man, I don't know how many drug dealers are marketing to kids.

810
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,200
Kids don't have disposable income typically.

811
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:30,080
I don't disagree, but I was pretty sure that you can't join a social media site unless

812
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,080
you're 13.

813
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,880
Now, I know the test for that is, are you over 13 or enter your birth date?

814
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,280
And it's like an honor system, but you know, they're, man.

815
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:45,880
I'm not against social media reform, but comparing it to drugs is a trope that is so worn out.

816
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:46,880
Yeah.

817
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:47,880
So worn out.

818
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:48,880
Exactly.

819
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,160
And I don't know what else I don't, I'm not seeing anything else here.

820
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,740
I know there's like 96 versions of it, but if they're talking about, if their first mentions

821
00:41:56,740 --> 00:42:01,080
of drugs are pornography and technology, they probably don't care about actual drugs.

822
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,480
I have to agree.

823
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:03,480
I have to agree.

824
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,160
Or they feel the same as the status quo, which is all drugs are bad.

825
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,440
People shouldn't have a choice.

826
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,040
If you do drugs, you're a criminal.

827
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,040
It's ridiculous.

828
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,040
All right.

829
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,880
And they also want to impact future administrations.

830
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,900
So they want to provide a roadmap that future Republican administrations can follow to implement

831
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:20,960
conservative policies effectively.

832
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:26,760
So they're trying to be all comprehensive and think far enough in advance that every

833
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,200
future presidential candidate will also want this, this plan.

834
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,200
Right.

835
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,880
I know many conservatives.

836
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,120
I am again, everybody knows an outdoorsman.

837
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:43,880
So many people who enjoy hunting and outdoor sports and things of that nature are conservative,

838
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,700
but they're not the conservatives that don't want governmental regulation.

839
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:55,320
Anybody who goes outside understands that the only reason we have any natural resources

840
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,840
to enjoy is because of government regulation.

841
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,080
Teddy Roosevelt.

842
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,080
Teddy Roosevelt.

843
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,080
The national parks.

844
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,840
National parks, hunting and fishing regulations.

845
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:05,840
Right.

846
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,680
You don't think that Corporation X is going to net every lake in the country.

847
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:10,680
Oh, yeah.

848
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,480
Pollute every river, destroy every mountain, clear cut every forest.

849
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,760
Of course they would.

850
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,320
That's how things are.

851
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,320
Read Silent Spring.

852
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,320
Right.

853
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,920
DDT was going to kill every bird in the country.

854
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,680
Could have if it wasn't regulated.

855
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:29,240
Even farmers, they want guidance on how to spray their fields because they don't want

856
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:32,280
to kill off themselves and all the wildlife.

857
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,680
Well, yeah, and look at pollinators.

858
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,840
Without regulation, there'd be no pollinators.

859
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:38,840
Yes.

860
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:44,920
Well, as you know, and maybe the listeners know, we have pollinator gardens at my home.

861
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:50,880
We have a huge bee population here, and I call them my bees.

862
00:43:50,880 --> 00:44:00,080
I don't harvest any honey, but I certainly landscape to allow them to thrive at my home,

863
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,080
at least.

864
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,080
Yes.

865
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:07,480
Yeah, we don't have a pollinator garden, but we plant things that butterflies and bees

866
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,840
like.

867
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:15,800
And then I try and kill and destroy and burn and squash every fucking wasp and hornet I

868
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,560
see because fuck those things.

869
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:18,760
Oh, yeah.

870
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,040
I've been lucky this year.

871
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:27,280
We've been landscaping the last couple of years, and we finally have flowers all summer.

872
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,360
And it's almost like the bees are fighting the wasps away, and they're keeping them out

873
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,360
of the area.

874
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,360
That's good.

875
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:34,360
That's good.

876
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,540
We've had less wasps this year too, I think because it's been wetter.

877
00:44:36,540 --> 00:44:37,540
We've had a lot more rain.

878
00:44:37,540 --> 00:44:38,540
Maybe.

879
00:44:38,540 --> 00:44:39,540
I don't know.

880
00:44:39,540 --> 00:44:42,920
I'm not a wasp expert, but I've seen a lot fewer of them.

881
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,600
We've had nests the last three years that we've either been successful in destroying

882
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,960
or moderately successful in reducing the size of.

883
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,160
Oh, they're still around.

884
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,200
They're around, but I haven't seen a big nest like we've had the past couple of years.

885
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,560
Here we're good.

886
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,480
I'll tell you a story after the show.

887
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,480
All right.

888
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:02,480
Yeah.

889
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,720
All right, Mike, do you have any questions on Project 2025?

890
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:10,680
I have a lot more to talk about, so it's not like the episode is done.

891
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:11,860
You know what I mean?

892
00:45:11,860 --> 00:45:14,520
Is it enough to split it into two episodes?

893
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,360
I am three quarters of the way through my cigar.

894
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:19,360
Okay.

895
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,080
I'm about half and I can catch up with you.

896
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,400
That's not a problem, but we can do a quick cigar check.

897
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,400
I think it's fine.

898
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,160
I'm not overly enamored with it so far, the cigar.

899
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,120
I am not enamored with it, but it's a solid stick.

900
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:43,640
I don't think it's better than a good Fuma or a Brickhouse or something that is very

901
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:44,640
reasonable.

902
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:50,440
I mean, that's the whole thing is give me a Fuma or literally any edge and I'll smoke

903
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,400
that before this all day long.

904
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,400
Right.

905
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,120
The edge is in a different price point than the Fuma.

906
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

907
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,880
For the price point, this would be similar.

908
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,960
I was just trying to talk about the Rocky Patel lineup.

909
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:01,960
Oh, yes.

910
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:02,960
Yeah.

911
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,280
In the Rocky Patel lineup, this is not the bottom.

912
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:11,060
That would be the Connecticut, but any of the edges, any of the Fumas are going to be

913
00:46:11,060 --> 00:46:13,080
as good or better than this.

914
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,600
I would say this is no better than a top shelf bin cigar.

915
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,920
Is it better than a Dark Shark?

916
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:20,920
That was your...

917
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,880
It is better than a Dark Shark in my opinion.

918
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:23,880
Okay.

919
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,480
It has more flavor than a Dark Shark.

920
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,480
It does have more flavor.

921
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,480
It does.

922
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,120
Yeah, it's got more punch than a Dark Shark.

923
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,120
Just to level set.

924
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,920
Yeah, to level set everybody.

925
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,920
The old Dark Shark.

926
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:35,920
It is better than a Dark Shark.

927
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,320
It's better than a standard bin cigar you're going to find at your cigar shop.

928
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,320
Yeah.

929
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:46,320
It's not... Which again is kind of like saying Donald Trump performed better than Joe Biden

930
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,200
in the debate.

931
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,200
Is it that good of a thing?

932
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,200
I don't know.

933
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,200
It's up to you.

934
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,000
There's a lot better Maduros for a similar price that I would smoke over this one.

935
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,000
Yeah.

936
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,000
I don't think that this needs tequila by any means.

937
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,000
No.

938
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,560
I would put this at 2.75 so far.

939
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:04,560
Maybe 2.5.

940
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,560
Maybe 2.5.

941
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:06,560
Yeah.

942
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,560
Yeah.

943
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,060
I was thinking a three is maybe a little high.

944
00:47:10,060 --> 00:47:11,600
Three would be too generous.

945
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:12,600
Yeah.

946
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:13,600
In my opinion.

947
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:14,600
Yes.

948
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:15,600
Not to sway you.

949
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,600
All right.

950
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:21,000
So, I know we... So, we went over our project 2025.

951
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,720
It's over 900 pages long.

952
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:24,240
We can't get into everything.

953
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:31,600
I think the forward is probably a good overall what you can expect through the rest of it.

954
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:32,600
Absolutely.

955
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:37,560
If it's not in the forward, they really don't want people to... The forward is going to

956
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,560
be all their major points.

957
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,400
I think other than that, now you're diving into details, which is irrelevant because

958
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:44,760
it's never going to happen anyway.

959
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:45,760
It's not going to happen.

960
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:46,760
It's not going to happen.

961
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:53,480
And for them to come out rallying against free speech while also saying they support

962
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,040
free speech, because you can define anything as anything.

963
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,960
Before 9-11, there were no domestic terrorists.

964
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:04,640
That wasn't even a term in... It might've been a term.

965
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:10,720
I don't want to be misrepresenting things, but it wasn't a term in the societal consciousness.

966
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:17,440
And since then, the way the government defines a domestic terrorist, it could be you.

967
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,620
And I don't know you, the listener, but it could be you.

968
00:48:20,620 --> 00:48:23,100
If you ever say anything against the government, it could be you.

969
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:26,400
If you're ever not happy with one of the candidates, it could be you.

970
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,120
If you're angry at a politician, it could be you.

971
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,440
So some of these definitions when they're talking about outlawing pornography and making

972
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:40,360
people who create pornography, putting them in jail on the sex offender list.

973
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,360
What does that mean?

974
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:46,120
Does that mean every romance novel author is now a sex offender?

975
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,160
Could be, could be.

976
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,160
I don't know.

977
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,720
It depends on how they choose to define it.

978
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:52,720
It's definitely danger zone.

979
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:53,720
Yeah.

980
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:59,800
So since I knew we were talking about Project 2025, I figured one of Mike's questions, which

981
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,080
I'm surprised he hasn't asked yet, but I thought Mike would have a very specific question hoping

982
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,640
to catch me off guard.

983
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,800
And so I did a bunch of Mike research.

984
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:08,800
Okay.

985
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,920
Are there any liberal plans similar to Project 2025?

986
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,760
I thought that was going to be your next question, Mike.

987
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:24,040
Oh, well, I didn't ask the question because clearly there are.

988
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,040
Well I've got them.

989
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,320
I've got them right here for us to go through.

990
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,320
Perfect.

991
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,200
They don't have one banner project.

992
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,800
So I didn't go and download all the PDFs and all of these.

993
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:40,920
I just had them summarized for us to look at, but you might know some of these organizations

994
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:41,920
or you might not.

995
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,480
We can definitely look some of these up if we need to.

996
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,440
I don't know if the verbiage and wording is going to be as ridiculous.

997
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,240
It might very well be for me.

998
00:49:50,240 --> 00:50:00,320
It's very strange because within the conservative movement, there are very staunch Reagan supporters

999
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,560
and then there are conservatives that don't particularly care for Ronald Reagan.

1000
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:11,560
So it's interesting that this one for Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation, that they're

1001
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:21,280
trying to really heavily lean into Ronald Reagan was God manifest in man form for our

1002
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,320
country and freedom and this and the other thing.

1003
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:29,480
When I think in an objective look back at history does not define him at that.

1004
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:35,600
And I didn't read this bit to you in the forward, but they were really slamming Jimmy Carter

1005
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,560
in the forward as well.

1006
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:42,720
And I want to add that Jimmy Carter is still alive and he only served one term.

1007
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:46,800
So he's definitely a potential candidate to take over for Biden.

1008
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,040
That has been a joke many times that I have seen.

1009
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:55,320
I haven't said any because they're not particularly funny, but yes.

1010
00:50:55,320 --> 00:51:01,160
And Jimmy Carter was lambasted back in the day for putting solar panels on the White

1011
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:06,080
House and then Ronald Reagan famously took them off, which is just stupid.

1012
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,000
It's just so dumb.

1013
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,640
Even coal companies want solar roofing.

1014
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,800
Solar roofing is a great idea.

1015
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,880
It's not the end all be all to energy consumption.

1016
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,960
It's certainly a step in the right direction.

1017
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:21,960
Yes.

1018
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:30,720
And I will add as well that I don't think I know when he was in office and shortly after

1019
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:37,400
he was out of office, he was got the short end of a lot of jokes, you know, and everything.

1020
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,800
But history shows that he wasn't a terrible precedent at all.

1021
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,320
And after he left office, you know what he did?

1022
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:51,520
Did he go to his giant mansion on Marla Marlago and golf and this and that he went and built

1023
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:56,200
houses with the Habitat for Humanity people up until he couldn't do it anymore.

1024
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,380
So I don't know.

1025
00:51:57,380 --> 00:52:00,680
That's the kind of person that we should be looking for.

1026
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,360
Not that we need like a Jimmy Carter again or a Jimmy Carter clone, but somebody that's

1027
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,080
not afraid to do the work.

1028
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,800
Somebody that's not above everybody else.

1029
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:08,800
You know what I mean?

1030
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,080
Jimmy Carter wasn't overtly corrupt.

1031
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,560
That's why I respect George Bush Senior.

1032
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:19,200
Not that he was a good man or a good president or any of those things, but he was both of

1033
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,320
them not overtly corrupt.

1034
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:27,200
They actually believed in America and they believed in things they were trying to get

1035
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,200
done.

1036
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,320
And I respect that even if I disagree.

1037
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:31,320
Yeah.

1038
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,560
And at the end of the day, that's what we talk about that a lot, especially, you know,

1039
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,880
we've done two political episodes back to back and these are, I think are our first

1040
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,200
two political episodes of our third season.

1041
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,320
So we've kind of shied away from that, not shied away, but we could just be a political

1042
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,000
podcast, but that's not what we're about.

1043
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,680
We have lots of other interests besides politics, but even we're talking about stuff that isn't

1044
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:59,240
politics, movies, especially Disney stuff and some of the modern content coming out,

1045
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:04,200
disagreement isn't bad and disagreement doesn't need to be silenced and shouldn't be silenced.

1046
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:09,760
And we can disagree, but admire the spirit of somebody or their beliefs.

1047
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,980
So we can say, you know, Jimmy Carter and George Bush Senior might not agree with everything

1048
00:53:13,980 --> 00:53:20,120
they've done or anything they've done, but they weren't corrupt to the extent that everybody

1049
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,600
else has been.

1050
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:27,480
And at least in Jimmy Carter's case, he was out still doing work.

1051
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,760
It wasn't glamorous work building houses for habitat for humanity, but it was work.

1052
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,680
It's something that any of us could do.

1053
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,700
So I think there's something to be said for that.

1054
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:40,600
He amplified it and he did something that he felt was a good thing.

1055
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:41,960
And I respect that.

1056
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,040
Yes.

1057
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:47,320
It's like I respect George Bush Senior raising taxes to balance the budget.

1058
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,320
Yep.

1059
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,320
Things have to be done for society, whether that's building houses for people that need

1060
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,080
houses or raising taxes to balance a budget.

1061
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,080
All right.

1062
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:02,120
So there are five liberal plans similar to project 2025.

1063
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:09,320
I think the general consensus that I've seen so far, at least from my, my consensus is

1064
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,320
Nate's consensus.

1065
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:11,960
It's not the general consensus.

1066
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:16,480
The Republicans and conservatives, one in the same interchangeable, I guess, at this

1067
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:23,280
point in American politics anyway, are very coordinated, very on the same page.

1068
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,040
They put out one plan.

1069
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:30,240
There's not a competing conservative plan to project 2025.

1070
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:34,800
So they're organized, could be to their detriment, could be to their benefit.

1071
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:35,800
I don't know.

1072
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:36,920
I'm not one to judge.

1073
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,920
The liberals have five different plans compared to the one conservative plan.

1074
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,240
So are they disorganized or do they just have more options?

1075
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:47,240
Tough to say.

1076
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:52,540
The first one is the Center for American Progress, abbreviated as CAP.

1077
00:54:52,540 --> 00:54:57,480
It's a progressive think-take and they develop the same stuff, the policies, proposals and

1078
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:58,480
strategic plans.

1079
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,160
And they have recommendations on the same similar issues, healthcare, climate change,

1080
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,200
economic policy, education, and immigration.

1081
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,960
There's another one called Indivisible and that's more grassroots and they mobilize activists

1082
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,200
and provide strategic guidance.

1083
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:17,440
There's the Roosevelt Institute and they focus on economic and social policies that address

1084
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:22,580
inequality and ensure shared prosperity, which sounds like that one probably has similar

1085
00:55:22,580 --> 00:55:27,480
wording but on the opposite end of the spectrum as project 2025.

1086
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,920
And if project 2025 happens, I don't think we'd be able to read the Roosevelt Institute

1087
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,920
because it would probably have a lot of deleted words in it.

1088
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:40,440
The second one is a think tank and they focus on racial and economic justice, focusing mostly

1089
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,940
on voting rights, economic inequality, campaign finance reform, and social equity.

1090
00:55:44,940 --> 00:55:51,000
And then there's the Justice Democrats, and they aim to elect progressive candidates and

1091
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,120
they advocate for policies such as Medicare for All, somebody better tell them, Joe Biden

1092
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,960
beat it, a green New Deal, criminal justice reform, and income inequality.

1093
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:05,280
So those are the five kind of main liberal plans and I've got more talking points on

1094
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,280
those.

1095
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:07,280
Any of those?

1096
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:08,280
I'm just going to guess.

1097
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:16,360
I've heard of all of them, Justice Democrats, I used to get their emails and I unsubscribed

1098
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,160
because they're a fucking joke.

1099
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:24,560
They are co-opted by the DNC and their sheepdog organization.

1100
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,320
The first one, I can't remember the, what was the first one you said?

1101
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,280
Yeah, the first one was the Center for American Progress.

1102
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:39,440
The Center for American Progress also is a DNC co-op and they're sheepdogs.

1103
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:44,960
I'm so critical of Democrats and left-wing politics because I typically fall on that

1104
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:50,380
spectrum and I just can't believe the stuff that they say.

1105
00:56:50,380 --> 00:56:51,680
It's all nonsense talk.

1106
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:56,320
It's very similar to the conservative side with their talking points and they're targeting

1107
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,360
a certain demographic that doesn't really exist.

1108
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,160
I don't know how much you want to talk about what they believe.

1109
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,760
We can quickly do a rundown.

1110
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,780
Well let's get through some of the other stuff and then we'll kind of see if there's anything

1111
00:57:09,780 --> 00:57:11,080
else you want to mention.

1112
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:16,880
There's five of them so we can't give each of these five the same attention that we gave

1113
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:23,760
Project 2025 because Project 2025 was basically the main topic for this episode and this is

1114
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,200
the counterpoints.

1115
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:31,560
So if you're a Project 2025 that's good for you and you know where to go find the 922

1116
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:36,920
page PDF for free or you can buy the book for your bookshelf and you can have it for

1117
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:37,960
all time.

1118
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,200
And if you don't like Project 2025 but you want to see if one of these other ones more

1119
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:47,120
aligns with your beliefs and your personal policy preferences, we're briefly talking

1120
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:52,600
about them and we'll have some time to talk at the end because there's not that much left

1121
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,280
for me to go over with this stuff but mostly we're going to talk about the health care,

1122
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,360
the climate change, economic justice, and social equity briefly because those are kind

1123
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,100
of key points of all of these.

1124
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:06,400
So for the health care they want universal health care coverage through things like Medicare

1125
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:07,400
for All.

1126
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,600
They want every American to have access to affordable high quality health care.

1127
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:16,080
For climate change, the Green New Deal is something that emphasizes transitioning to

1128
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:22,120
renewable energy, reducing carbon emissions, and creating green jobs and probably a buttload

1129
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:23,800
of paper straws.

1130
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,320
Taylor Swift can still fly but paper straws for you.

1131
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,720
Economic justice, proposals to increase the minimum wage, which when was the last time

1132
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,200
that was increased Mike?

1133
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:40,120
2008 under George Bush Jr. maybe 2007.

1134
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:47,320
Okay and they want fair labor practices, implementing tax reforms to reduce income inequality, and

1135
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,400
promote economic fairness, whatever that means.

1136
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,400
And then social equity.

1137
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,120
DEI nonsense is what it is.

1138
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:55,880
You said it, I thought it.

1139
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,760
Social equity, they want criminal justice reform, they want to protect voting rights,

1140
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:05,840
and address systemic racism to ensure equal opportunities and justice for all.

1141
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:06,840
Amen.

1142
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,440
That sounds like DEI nonsense as well.

1143
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:09,440
Yes.

1144
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,840
All right and they've got the same stuff where they want to identify and train people to

1145
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:18,880
take this over and they want to address those key challenges and promote policies that advance

1146
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,280
equity, justice, and sustainability.

1147
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:31,680
So at least, at least taken all together, their focus points seem to be more in line

1148
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:41,360
with what I imagine most citizens would care about as opposed to banning words and pornography.

1149
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:42,880
But that's just me.

1150
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:49,320
Well, you and I both fall more to the left of right-wing talking points, let's put it

1151
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:50,320
that way.

1152
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:55,280
We fall to the left of even left-wing talking points based on our political compass conversation.

1153
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,640
Oh, for sure, for sure.

1154
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,040
It's all nonsense.

1155
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,160
The left-wing stuff is all nonsense.

1156
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:03,940
They have no real plans.

1157
01:00:03,940 --> 01:00:08,480
It's all verbiage and fairy dreams.

1158
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:18,240
Yeah, I guess to summarize, the left-wing stuff, these plans are all fairy tale feel-good

1159
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:25,560
words that is almost akin to, well, think of the children.

1160
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:32,720
It's all heartstrings and feel-goods and the conservative stuff is all get your tanks ready

1161
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,840
because we're taking America back and we're taking the family back and we're getting rid

1162
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:43,400
of all the LGBTQ crowd and all of their sick pornography that they've created and there's

1163
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:47,920
never pornography before the LGBTQ crowd was around.

1164
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:52,360
We can't have those kind of words and everybody who disagrees with us is woke and we're going

1165
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,900
to roll our tanks right over you, all the Tiananmen Square.

1166
01:00:55,900 --> 01:01:03,960
You've basically got the warmongers versus the hippies in terms of the words they use

1167
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,440
to describe their policies and their plans.

1168
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:12,480
Right, and hidden within the hippie agenda is we're secretly warmongers because they

1169
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:13,480
also support war.

1170
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:14,480
Because we also get paid by them, yes.

1171
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,060
Yeah, they also get paid by them.

1172
01:01:16,060 --> 01:01:21,720
It's no different and not one of them has a real policy solution that's a viable option.

1173
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,320
No, no.

1174
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:30,180
Everything is so entwined but there are things that we've talked about that can start the

1175
01:01:30,180 --> 01:01:31,180
shift back.

1176
01:01:31,180 --> 01:01:36,920
We need to put together a project, Nice Ashes, that's bipartisan.

1177
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,240
It doesn't matter who's there.

1178
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,160
These are the things you should do.

1179
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,760
Let us get Cuban cigars.

1180
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:48,520
Gravy supports this and everything after that will be taken care of.

1181
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:52,360
It all begins with the Cuban cigars.

1182
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,240
That's really the truth.

1183
01:01:54,240 --> 01:02:01,080
Well, you've seen those conspiracy theories where they've said that our modern state with

1184
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:08,000
the rampant inflation and COVID and everything started when they shot Harambe, the gorilla.

1185
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,240
I have not.

1186
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:10,240
I have not.

1187
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:11,240
That sounds great.

1188
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:15,740
Okay, because they said that's the linchpin that knocked over the rest of the dominoes

1189
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:18,760
that led us down this path on the timeline we're in.

1190
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,760
That sounds wonderful.

1191
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:26,700
Now, I don't remember the actress name.

1192
01:02:26,700 --> 01:02:31,000
They tied some actress to Harambe at the time.

1193
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,000
Oh, okay.

1194
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,080
A comedian.

1195
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:34,880
Maybe she's involved as well.

1196
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:36,120
Could be.

1197
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:40,280
Yeah, somehow some actress got tied to Harambe's thing.

1198
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,080
I can't remember all the details now off the top of my head.

1199
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:44,400
It was all nonsense anyway.

1200
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,400
Well, of course.

1201
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:48,400
Yeah.

1202
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:49,880
Also, it's tough to deny.

1203
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:50,880
Yeah.

1204
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,280
Well, it's impossible to deny something like that, isn't it?

1205
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:55,280
That's the point.

1206
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,280
That's the point.

1207
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:57,280
So stupid.

1208
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:05,520
Well, the best part about Project 2025 is it's become a buzzword in the media cycle.

1209
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,040
Like everybody's supposed to fear this Project 2025.

1210
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:09,040
Oh no.

1211
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,040
Blah, blah, blah.

1212
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,440
What are you talking about?

1213
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:13,440
That's nonsense.

1214
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,520
Well, it's ridiculous.

1215
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:22,720
And it's written for the uber Trump supporters, basically.

1216
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:26,240
You know, it's written for those people that blindly follow.

1217
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,240
And this is the verbiage that they respond to.

1218
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:37,720
And people like to think, or the media likes to say that anyone who's a Republican has

1219
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:42,340
to love Trump and they have to be a super mega supporter, you know.

1220
01:03:42,340 --> 01:03:43,960
But that's not the truth.

1221
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:49,800
And the media also says that anyone who likes Biden or anyone who's a liberal loves Biden

1222
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:55,540
and Kamala Harris and wants, they want trans people in everything and teaching your kids

1223
01:03:55,540 --> 01:04:00,480
about gender reassignment, which neither of those things are true.

1224
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:06,240
The majority of Americans statistically have been more centrist than anything, but you

1225
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:13,160
get the loud outspoken fringes that battle it out and the media plays that up.

1226
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:18,800
So then you have to look into Project 2025 and realize how ridiculously worded the whole

1227
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:23,800
thing is and that these people writing it can't actually know what they're talking about

1228
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,040
or what they're trying to say.

1229
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:30,480
Well, they know, but it's trying to gather the truth with buzzwords.

1230
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,440
Yeah, they're trying to gather the troops.

1231
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:38,400
It's not about any real meaningful change or policy differences.

1232
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:39,400
Yeah.

1233
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:44,240
And I think the main thing with probably all of these, all six of these plans is they're

1234
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:51,300
not written in a way to convert people hanging about near the middle.

1235
01:04:51,300 --> 01:04:58,200
They're written to appeal to those fringe cases and to get them riled up and people

1236
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:04,200
like you and myself can read Project 2025 and laugh at it and say, one, none of this

1237
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:08,920
stuff is ever going to happen because that's not how the presidency works for one.

1238
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:16,500
And which is a giant kudos to the founding fathers, regardless of what you think of them.

1239
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:17,500
And they're not all the same.

1240
01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:21,140
They're all individual people who had differences of opinions on a lot of things, but for them

1241
01:05:21,140 --> 01:05:24,120
to be able to set up a system of government where the president doesn't have the ultimate

1242
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:30,160
power and ultimate authority means that Project 2025 is never going to happen in its entirety,

1243
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:31,920
even in a tenth of it.

1244
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:32,920
You know what I mean?

1245
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:33,920
Oh, it's impossible.

1246
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:34,920
It's impossible.

1247
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,500
Yeah, it can't happen because of our system of government.

1248
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:41,920
It could happen over a hundred years, but it's not going to happen in four.

1249
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:46,800
It's not going to happen in 100 days, which is their timeline they put out.

1250
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:47,800
Right.

1251
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:48,800
Yeah.

1252
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:49,800
Look at the last two presidential administrations.

1253
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:57,120
They've both had bad policies that have negatively affected us, but it's not, it's life changing

1254
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,640
in some instances, but not society wide.

1255
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:06,200
It's life changing for some individuals some of the time, but it's not letting all the

1256
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,560
felons out of jail, right?

1257
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:09,560
No.

1258
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,240
Or something wild like that.

1259
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,720
It's not a dramatic societal shift.

1260
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:20,160
It's subtle things and I think what's been more impactful is the lockdowns and inflation.

1261
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:21,240
For sure.

1262
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:26,560
And that's what's impacting the average American.

1263
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:31,580
This other stuff is, we've talked about this before, some of this other stuff that they're

1264
01:06:31,580 --> 01:06:37,480
proposing and wanting us to care about is for people that don't have to worry about

1265
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:42,140
inflation and don't have to worry about if they can go into their work or not.

1266
01:06:42,140 --> 01:06:48,400
It's for people that haven't made to sit and ponder about why there's lots of reasons

1267
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:49,400
why.

1268
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,200
I'm not trying to be super dense or combative about this.

1269
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:57,920
Why does the average American who's struggling against inflation care what Russia and Ukraine

1270
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,600
is doing, what Israel and Palestine is doing?

1271
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,400
Why would they care?

1272
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:08,080
Outside of our involvement, it's not really my concern and there are very complex political

1273
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:15,440
issues that I do not understand and I have looked into it more than the average person

1274
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:16,440
possibly.

1275
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:21,960
That's not to say that you can't sit there and you should feel called out because you

1276
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,420
don't like war.

1277
01:07:23,420 --> 01:07:24,880
That's not what I'm trying to say.

1278
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:30,100
I'm trying to say when our government is sending billions of dollars to these countries instead

1279
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:32,280
of fixing inflation here.

1280
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,840
So here's a fun fact for you.

1281
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:41,880
The Biden administration accidentally sent $6 billion extra dollars to Ukraine a while

1282
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:42,880
back.

1283
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,440
Yeah, President Putin.

1284
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:48,680
That was after the wildfires in Maui.

1285
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:55,280
The cost to rebuild Maui is guessed at $5 billion.

1286
01:07:55,280 --> 01:08:04,520
So an accounting error in the military industrial complex was greater than the amount to rebuild

1287
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,800
a state in the country.

1288
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,880
So that's where we're at, people.

1289
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:17,560
We need a realignment and the realignment is not what we have available right now.

1290
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,760
The realignment is not in Project 2025.

1291
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,200
No.

1292
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:23,800
Or any of the liberal ones.

1293
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,320
No, no, no, definitely not.

1294
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:28,320
They're both sheepdogs.

1295
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:34,480
Project 2025 is a sheepdog, is to get all the conservative elements that might be straying

1296
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:38,400
away from the Republican fold back in.

1297
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,840
Any pet issue they may have.

1298
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:41,840
Indeed.

1299
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:42,840
I am done with my cigar.

1300
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:44,280
I'm not sure where you're at.

1301
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,200
I've got an inch and a half left.

1302
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:50,880
I do need to say, sorry, Mike, I did a lot more talking this episode.

1303
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,480
Well, you know, it's bound to happen.

1304
01:08:53,480 --> 01:08:54,480
It is.

1305
01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:58,960
I do need to say that the last third has been pretty dang good.

1306
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:00,680
I liked the last third.

1307
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,840
I actually liked most of it more than you did.

1308
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:04,840
Okay.

1309
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,920
But yeah, the first third I wasn't a huge fan of.

1310
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:11,960
The second third was what I wish the first third was.

1311
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:16,480
And then this last third has been quite nice, quite nice.

1312
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:21,280
And I wish that with the last third was lasted longer.

1313
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:22,400
Yes.

1314
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:23,400
That's a good way to put it.

1315
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:24,400
It's a good way to put it.

1316
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,000
The first third was bleh.

1317
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,400
Yeah, yeah.

1318
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,400
The middle for me was where I started to appreciate it.

1319
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,080
I thought it was good.

1320
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,440
And the last third was genuinely good.

1321
01:09:34,440 --> 01:09:35,440
Yes.

1322
01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:37,320
That burnt flavor for me never really left.

1323
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:41,240
It did have that like burnt bread taste the whole way through.

1324
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:42,240
Yeah.

1325
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:43,880
I still am getting that from time to time.

1326
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:48,240
It's not in every puff necessarily, but every once in a while I'm getting it.

1327
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:52,960
I know I said I thought it went away, but it never really did go away.

1328
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,160
It's just not as frequent or as strong.

1329
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:56,160
Yeah.

1330
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:57,960
So I rated mine as a two and a half.

1331
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,600
I also lowered the last one to a 1.75.

1332
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:02,600
Yeah.

1333
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:06,840
I think a two and a half sounds pretty fair.

1334
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,600
It definitely did.

1335
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:14,000
It got better as it went, which was good, which is ideally what you would like.

1336
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:18,740
It would either start good and stay that good or it would get progressively better.

1337
01:10:18,740 --> 01:10:20,320
And this one definitely got progressively better.

1338
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,280
And this one did get progressively better.

1339
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,920
It's hard to recommend it, especially with...

1340
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:31,920
So as far as price point goes, Mike, how does this compare in price to the Nica Rustica

1341
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,000
Broadleaf?

1342
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:34,360
They're going to be about the same price.

1343
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:35,360
Yeah.

1344
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:36,360
The Nica Rustica...

1345
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:37,360
That's a champion.

1346
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:38,360
Yeah.

1347
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:39,360
That's a champion.

1348
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:43,400
This is going to be comparable to an Edge and this is not as good as any of the Edges

1349
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:44,400
that you could buy.

1350
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:45,400
Yeah.

1351
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:46,400
Yeah.

1352
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,200
And the Nica Rustica El Brujito was really good.

1353
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:50,200
Oh, yes.

1354
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:55,920
So if you want something dark and they even have it, they have a Broadleaf, which we liked,

1355
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,320
the Connecticut Broadleaf, we liked quite a bit.

1356
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:03,640
I couldn't recommend this over that for the same price point, if you get them nearish

1357
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,240
the same price.

1358
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:09,720
But again, and I said this, I think during the first third or maybe halfway through,

1359
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,160
I said, I wouldn't turn this one down.

1360
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,720
If somebody said, hey, I got a bunch of these, let's smoke them.

1361
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:14,720
I'm like, yeah, sure.

1362
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:15,720
Let's do it.

1363
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:20,560
Sometimes knowing what it is before smoking, it makes it better, more palatable, because

1364
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:21,800
you know what to expect.

1365
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,320
So there is some of that too.

1366
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:24,320
Oh, for sure.

1367
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:30,560
I have expectations and it didn't quite meet my expectation, but it wasn't unpleasant by

1368
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:31,560
any means.

1369
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,880
It was average, just average, decent smoke.

1370
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:35,880
Yeah.

1371
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:36,880
Decent smoke.

1372
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:37,880
It's fine.

1373
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:39,320
Maybe you'll really like it.

1374
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:40,320
I don't know.

1375
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,760
It's a different enough flavor with kind of that burnt.

1376
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,820
It's not an unpleasant burnt, so I feel like burnt has such a negative connotation.

1377
01:11:46,820 --> 01:11:48,600
It's not really a negative.

1378
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:49,600
Burnt bread.

1379
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:50,600
It's burnt bread.

1380
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,880
That's kind of an undertone throughout the whole cigar.

1381
01:11:53,880 --> 01:12:01,000
And then it fills out and the body grows and gets a little more interesting the longer

1382
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,600
you smoke it, which I usually like.

1383
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:09,460
And I did like it, but I don't think it's not something that I could recommend.

1384
01:12:09,460 --> 01:12:11,360
It's not something I'd turn down though either.

1385
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:12,360
Yeah.

1386
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:17,240
It fits in kind of that gray area where I would definitely recommend a Nica Rustica

1387
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,120
over this all day.

1388
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:21,120
Easily.

1389
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:25,240
But I wouldn't say no to smoking another one of these.

1390
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,280
So it's kind of in that area.

1391
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:31,480
This last bit, I'm getting a little bit of pepper I think too, this last third.

1392
01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:32,960
Did you pick up any of that?

1393
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:33,960
Yeah.

1394
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:38,240
It's growing into a more Maduro style cigar or a darker cigar.

1395
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:42,880
If that was the midpoint and then it grew after that, then we'd be having a different

1396
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:43,880
conversation.

1397
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:44,880
Oh, definitely.

1398
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,760
It'd be a much different conversation.

1399
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:52,960
But it might be a good gateway cigar to the darker, more peppery sticks, I suppose.

1400
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,800
If you like the last half of it.

1401
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:55,800
Could be.

1402
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:56,800
Could be.

1403
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:57,800
So I don't know.

1404
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:58,800
Rocky Patel.

1405
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:03,520
I'm going to go out on a limb here, Mike, and say these are kind of two misses for Rocky

1406
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:04,520
Patel.

1407
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:05,600
I would say it's a miss.

1408
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:06,600
I would say it's a miss.

1409
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,880
But this particular cigar is not a bad cigar.

1410
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,320
Yeah, it's not a bad cigar.

1411
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,800
It's not up to par with the rest of their lineup.

1412
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,200
No, it's not the best of the range.

1413
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:16,200
That's for sure.

1414
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:17,200
Yeah.

1415
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:22,120
And it's not even the best of this price point of cigars in this style either, which is for

1416
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:27,280
a company like Rocky Patel with their other cigars being that much better.

1417
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:28,760
Right.

1418
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:30,280
Everything is a comparison.

1419
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:31,280
So yeah.

1420
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:32,280
Yeah, yeah.

1421
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,280
But yeah, I'm with you.

1422
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,240
I overall enjoyed this one.

1423
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,240
Not as much as I would have liked.

1424
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:41,240
Yeah.

1425
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,040
I could do this one on the golf course probably.

1426
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,040
Oh, for sure.

1427
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:45,040
Yeah, for sure.

1428
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:46,040
So.

1429
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:49,240
I will note, I didn't have any lighting issues.

1430
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:54,480
I didn't have any canoeing or uneven burn issues with this one at all.

1431
01:13:54,480 --> 01:14:01,360
So I know we had quite a few issues, even if they're cosmetic, with the Connecticut,

1432
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,280
the Rocky Patel Connecticut last episode.

1433
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:05,280
We didn't have any of those.

1434
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:06,280
I didn't encounter any of those.

1435
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:07,600
Did you have any issues?

1436
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,800
I had some slight uneven burn, but rotating it solved itself.

1437
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:13,320
Didn't have to relight.

1438
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,560
So I didn't think it was worth mentioning.

1439
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,000
It could have just been me.

1440
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,000
Yeah.

1441
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,080
But I figured since we mentioned it on the last, on the Connecticut, I wanted to just

1442
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:27,440
check and see if we had any of those kind of issues because we both had different issues

1443
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:28,680
with the Connecticut.

1444
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,520
And this one was a lot more consistent burn throughout.

1445
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:32,520
Yes.

1446
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:36,640
And if you had some uneven burns, that's not always the cigar's fault.

1447
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:37,640
Sometimes it is, but.

1448
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:38,720
Yeah, for sure.

1449
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,840
So not a recommend, but it's not terrible.

1450
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:47,760
Also don't get worried about Project 2025 or the liberal other ones.

1451
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:52,040
Or the Justice Democrats or whatever nonsense they're going to say.

1452
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:53,040
Yeah.

1453
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,040
Yeah.

1454
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:58,020
I guess there have to be people out there that put plans out whether or not they get

1455
01:14:58,020 --> 01:15:00,920
read or listened to by the actual candidates.

1456
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:01,920
Who can say?

1457
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:07,200
And if they did, it's basically impossible to get those things pushed through, especially

1458
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:08,200
in a hundred days.

1459
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:14,720
So hopefully we've alleviated your worries about Project 2025 and the Rocky Patel Broadleaf.

1460
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:15,720
Thanks for listening.

1461
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:16,720
Be safe.

1462
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:33,700
Thank you.