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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Mike.

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And I'm Nate.

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What are we smoking, Mike?

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We are smoking a cigar that I've been looking forward to.

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The Cane Daytona.

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This is an Oliva, not a nub, but it is an Oliva.

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And I really liked the Cane nub, so I'm looking forward to this one as well.

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Yeah, don't they also, didn't we also do a Cane, do they have the Cane F?

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Yes, we have the Cane F, yes.

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I think that one was two different sizes of that, I believe.

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Yes, yes, I am.

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I'm really looking forward to it.

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Okay, good, good.

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I just, you told me to pick one and this one leapt out at me.

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All right, I'm lit.

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How about you, Mike?

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I'm lit as well.

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I put a V cut on this one.

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Same.

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Pretty good first couple puffs, I think.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm excited.

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It's good.

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Good, good, good.

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So what are we talking about today?

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I am glad that you asked, Mike.

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I'm not sure what I want to call it, what the overall topic is.

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It's not really a guessing game and it's not really one or the other, but I wanted to talk

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a little bit about grooming and or indoctrination.

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Another just exciting, positive, uplifting topic for the show.

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I am all bluebirds and happiness over here.

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Yes.

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I thought, why not?

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Just double whammy, double whammy it and make this stuff good.

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So what brought this about or what?

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Do you want to know why I want to talk about this, Mike?

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Well, yes, yes, I do.

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Sure.

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Why not?

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Okay, so I want to talk about this because I was a little curious and I mentioned this

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something about this to you earlier is one set of grandparents for my daughter is religious

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and they will pray before meals that we share with them.

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And normally what they do is they will hold hands and kind of silently pray.

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You know, you can hear what they're saying, but they're not, they're not forcing everyone

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else to do it, right?

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They're not doing it in a, in a normal talking voice.

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It's somewhere above a whisper, but not by much and it's quick and it's over and it's

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fine.

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And recently they've taken to doing like a kid's Z style prayer and actively asking

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my daughter.

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It's a, it's like an ABC prayer.

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And so they're like, do you want to do your ABCs with us?

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And which of course confuses her because she does, you know, A through Z, like the ABCs

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actually goes.

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Then that got me, then that got me to thinking about, you know, kind of like indoctrination

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and how that set of grandparents is very much the ones that would say drag shows or drag

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queens reading to kids is grooming.

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Even though I was like, but you're doing the same thing you're accusing them of doing.

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So that's how this came about.

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And I don't mean, I don't intend it to be an overly heavy or dark episode, but I don't

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want to make light of grooming or indoctrination either.

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So I just thought it'd be good to kind of talk through some of this stuff.

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Yes.

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Because they are different.

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I would say, well, they are different.

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I would say if you don't indoctrinate your children into a religion, it is extremely

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likely they are not going to follow the religion that you want them to follow.

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I would also say even if you do indoctrinate them into the religion, you want them to follow,

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it's very unlikely they're going to continue following it.

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I don't know what the statistics are on that.

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I think, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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It depends.

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I mean, I was indoctrinated into religion and now I am an atheist.

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So both of my brothers are as well or close enough.

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So one's a little more spiritual than us other two, but I don't know that it's full on religion,

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you know?

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That's true.

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I mean, it would depend on the religion.

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And how strict the followers were.

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Because some religions are a lot more strict than others, you know?

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The Southern Baptists, certain of them won't watch R-rated movies and things.

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So I mean, you're missing out on Alien and Aliens.

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What kind of, why?

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You know, masterpieces.

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Mad Max.

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Mad Max.

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I mean, The Road Warrior is one of the best movies, sci-fi movies ever.

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I think it's great.

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I quite enjoyed it as well.

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So I just kind of wanted to, and I'm going to start out with, because I was just trying

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to do some general research on grooming and whether or not like churches and stuff like

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that.

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And grooming is not the right term.

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But this is the first article I came across from the Anti-Defamation League.

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And this article just struck me as being so far the opposite of what I would imagine an

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Anti-Defamation League article should be.

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Does that surprise you?

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See if you can tell me why.

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So the title is What is Grooming, and grooming of course is in quotes, the truth behind the

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dangerous bigoted lie targeting the LGBTQ plus community.

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It starts out with far right and extremist voices have launched a significant attack

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against the LGBTQ plus community in 2021, 2022, demonizing people via repeated false

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claims that LGBTQ people are pedophiles who are grooming children in order to abuse them.

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And then it goes on about calling everybody who doesn't agree with their point of view

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a bigot.

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Which I thought if you're going Anti-Defamation League, defamation works two ways or all ways,

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right?

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Like much like racism, even though most people won't admit that.

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So it just struck me as very angry.

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You know what I mean?

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Now, the Anti-Defamation League has some controversy about it with some of the things that they

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say.

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So if you look at, they're not always, I don't know what we call it, accurate.

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You know what I'm saying?

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So yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Because they, I don't know.

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Some of the statements they make are a little wild in my opinion.

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Yes, yes.

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So then I decided to go for a little less emotional definition of grooming than theirs.

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And I have a definition of grooming and indoctrination, both from Wikipedia, just to get both definitions

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from the same source.

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So sexual grooming is the action or behavior used to establish an emotional connection

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with a minor and sometimes that child's family to lower the child's inhibitions with the

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objective of sexual abuse.

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And it can occur in various settings, online, in person, and through other means of communication.

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And children who are groomed may experience mental health issues, including anxiety, depression,

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post-traumatic stress, and suicidal thoughts.

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So that's grooming.

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And usually when somebody calls somebody a groomer, they're talking about the sexual

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grooming, not like grooming somebody to take over the family business.

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So there's that.

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And then indoctrination is the process of inculcating, which is teaching by repeated

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instruction, a person with ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies, or professional methodologies,

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like a doctrine.

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Broadly speaking, indoctrination can refer to general process of socialization, in common

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discourse, the term often has the perjurative balance to refer to forms of brainwashing

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for disagreeable forms of socialization, you know, like cults, things of that nature.

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Like a fallacism.

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So yes.

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And there's four stages of indoctrination.

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The first stage is softening up.

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So I guess I usually groups will do this kind of like, you know, being friendly, a lot of

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them will run legitimate things, you know, to get you face to face with members.

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Number two is compliance.

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Three is internalization and four is consolidation.

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So the internalization is when they start actually taking on little like, I'm going

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to do like air quotes, like little missions, or tasks or things for the group.

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And then consolidation is when they're actually like believing everything.

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So we have, let's see here.

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I have cult recruiting techniques.

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We're kind of going to go through some of this backstory before we get into some of

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the, what do Nate and Mike think these things are?

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Do we think they're grooming?

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Do we think they're indoctrinating?

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Do we think they're just evangelizing?

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What do we think they're doing?

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Yes.

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Here, this is from bigthink.com.

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Four psychological techniques, cults used to recruit members.

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They pick the right targets.

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So they have a, what would you call it Mike, like a, almost like an APB on a missing person.

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They have like a set of things they look for in people that they try to recruit.

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Those people are generally the most susceptible.

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So they're looking for people that maybe are stressed, emotionally vulnerable, don't really

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have family connections or have living in kind of adverse socioeconomic conditions,

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like new college students.

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Sure.

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That makes sense.

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And they want to go be part of a protest about Israel.

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Yes or no.

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Too soon.

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Anyway.

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Then they do, does the, do the moonies mean anything to you?

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I've heard of the moonies.

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I'm fuzzy on the details now, but I've heard of them.

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I don't know anything about it, but I guess love bombing was a term coined by them.

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And that's right out of this like cult MO.

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So they'll find these people that are susceptible.

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And then what they do is they go and they shower them with affection and flattery and

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validation and stuff.

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Basically they do everything they can to ingratiate themselves with these people.

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Like, Oh, Hey, these people are actually taking an interest in me.

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They're talking to me.

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They're saying that my problems aren't my fault and whatever other various things might

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need to be said.

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You know, and this is, of course these people have an end goal in mind.

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So it's not the general kind of like early friendship jitters or something, you know,

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like when you first meet somebody new and you're gelling on the same stuff and you're

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like, Oh man, like, Oh, you're whatever.

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So awesome.

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Blah, blah, blah.

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There's not really an end goal in that.

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That's nefarious.

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It's just, I want to be friends with this person maybe.

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So and here again, it says about college students.

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So like a recruiter approaching a college student and then doing everything they can

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to make that student feel special and unique and they'll even fake mutual interests and

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things in order to get the impression that there's a lot of commonality.

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Sounds like a political party.

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Some of them even wait outside counseling centers to post trouble students.

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So imagine that you're going to get some kind of like counseling and mental help and there's

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somebody in the waiting room or somebody just outside the building, just waiting to, I don't

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know, in snare you in something.

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Then the next one is isolation.

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Unless they entice the recruit, then they need to isolate them.

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So they'll usually it'll be like a weekend retreat where you're immersed in the cults

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ideology over a few days.

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And then so you're physically isolated from friends and family, but they often try and

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isolate the recruits from any outside information like newspapers, books, TV and web.

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I don't know.

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I don't know how they would do that kind of nowadays because I don't have to be on wifi

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to access the internet unless they did like, I suppose they could do a, you know, it's

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a no cell phone weekend, put your cell phone in this bin and you can open it when you leave.

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What you're describing is church camp.

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Just so you know.

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Sounds exactly like church camp.

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I have been to church camp.

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I know.

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I met my beautiful wife at church camp.

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I know because you didn't have phones.

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They made you put your phones in the bin.

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That was pre cell phone.

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Well, it wasn't pre cell phone.

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I know that.

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I know that it was pre internet on cell phones.

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It was pre internet on cell phones.

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I know that at homes.

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Yeah, that's too.

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So the next one is keeping control after they've convinced you that they're the best friends

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you could ever have.

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Then they make sure that they hang onto you.

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So they, it usually involves subjecting the recruit to terror and love.

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So they try and make it so that when they're afraid, they run back to the cultist and then

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give them a lot of love.

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So fun stuff.

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I think that was only three things.

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Oh, wait one.

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So keeping control.

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Okay.

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So keeping control, isolation, love bombing and picking their target.

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So there was four things.

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It said four things and we did four things.

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Interesting.

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Yes.

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This was just kind of like, um, it was from the, the guardian, but it's like a write in

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thing.

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So people just random people wrote in to answer this question.

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The question was when does a cult become a religion?

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Yes.

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The first answer from Anthony Breckner in London says a cult becomes a religion when

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it's granted tax free status by the government.

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That's true.

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I suppose.

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Like I said, some of these might be jokes, uh, cause these are just like anybody could

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write in David Lewin in Oxford has a pretty on the nose when it progresses from killing

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its members to killing non-members.

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I like that.

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Cult becomes a religion.

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Yeah.

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Uh, this one's a little longer.

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I think it's got some good stuff in here.

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It says the essential difference is openness.

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Religions publish their beliefs openly in the Bible, Quran, et cetera, and seek to persuade

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the public of their truth.

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Anyone who accepts these beliefs in the accompanying ritual is recognized as a member of the religion

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as a priesthood, which is open to any normally male person with the necessary commitment

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religions, therefore seeking mass following cults, however, rely on a secret or special

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knowledge, which is revealed only to initiates by the cult's founder and his or her chosen

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representatives.

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The beliefs normally aren't published and everything depends on the personal relationship

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with the founder and followers who are required to separate themselves from the rest of the

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world.

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However, it says all religions begin as cults.

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Christianity began as one of several competing messianic sects and became a religion when

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Paul and his followers began Prostel.

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Oh Jesus, I should have done my text to speech.

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Uh, proselytizing, you know how to say this word, Mike?

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That's a tongue twister.

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Prostel.

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Manians or the Mughal Toneans now?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Proselytizing.

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I know the word you're talking about.

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Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Uh, and maybe you do too, listener at home.

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Once again, spreading their shit outside of Judea.

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Let's just call it that.

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Cults fade away when those who knew the founder die.

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Not me for sure, because I don't know what the fuck those are.

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Religions die too.

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Just saying.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And this one says, a religion is a cult which has become acceptable.

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And then there's the last one here is, according to Frank Zappa, the only difference between

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a cult and a religion is real estate.

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Nice.

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Nice.

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I heard a definition of a religion being a cult becomes a religion when the leader is

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dead and so is everybody who knew them.

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Okay, yeah.

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So I guess like, I guess it's, it's not necessarily black and white, you know, cut and dry.

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I think there are different levels of indoctrination and different levels of cult and different levels

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of religion even.

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So I have a feeling that, you know, when somebody says cult, we're thinking the most extreme we

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can, whereas with religion, some people will think cult right away, but other people, especially

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those that are religious and go to church wouldn't necessarily have that extremist thing pop into

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mind right away.

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Right.

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So, are you going to discuss the BITE model?

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No, I think you should.

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So the BITE model was developed by a doctor named Stephen Hassan and it's sort of a framework

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to establish whether or not an organization is a cult or a religion.

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And the BITE is, of course, an acronym.

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It stands for behavior control, information control, thought control, and emotional control.

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So it's not a hard line.

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It is a...

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An assessment tool.

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A spectrum.

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It's an assessing tool and it puts the religion or the cult on a spectrum of more or less

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cult-like because all religions definitionally have every aspect of the BITE model.

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It's just a matter of how exclusive is it.

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So for example, for behavior control, one of the keys is to minimize or discourage access

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to non-cult sources of information.

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So most religions do discourage access to non-religious information, but they do not

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prevent, they do not actively prevent that.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Like, your Catholic priest might discourage you from certain news sources, but he's certainly

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not going to come to your home and punish you if you do get information from outside

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of the church.

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He might refuse the body of Christ because you watched a news source he doesn't like.

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Right.

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And then there's information control, which is provide only cult-generated information

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propaganda and use information to create a sense of fear or guilt, which that's a spectrum

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of...

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Right?

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Like your local Lutheran pastor is going to try to make you feel guilty occasionally,

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but it's probably not a regular part of the program, right?

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Yeah, it's probably a regular part of the sermon, but at the coffee afterwards, it's

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not making you feel guilty.

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Right.

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Right.

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And there's thought control, which is encourage blind obedience and unquestioning acceptance,

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which the Catholic church has been very guilty of.

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Yes.

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And emotional control would be to create a sense of dependence on the church leadership

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or the cult leadership, which again, there's a spectrum of that, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And man, I read a study somewhere that for believers in church, the church service triggers

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the feel good chemicals in the brain.

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Like it triggers a specific section of the brain that you can get kind of like a high

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from.

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Right.

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But it doesn't work if you're not a believer, you know, so kind of one of those things.

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They actually, I don't know if you're familiar.

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I think we've talked about it before on the show, but are you familiar with the God helmet?

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No.

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Okay.

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So, and I haven't looked at this for a while, but there was a study or a team of scientists

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that developed this helmet that you put on your head and it would stimulate the area

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of the brain that was stimulated in church.

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If you went to church and you were a believer and they put it on and the people who got

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that area of the brain stimulated reported seeing angels in the room and all of that

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stuff.

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So it was, you know, definitely something that you could manipulate in the brain to trigger

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this kind of, I don't know, euphoric religious experience, let's say.

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Sure.

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That I can believe.

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Which, yeah, which religious people would say, well, there's proof that God exists because

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we wouldn't have that region of the brain if he didn't exist, blah, blah, blah.

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And you know, atheists or agnostics might say, well, if you can, if a manmade thing

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can force that feeling, then it's false and it's just exploiting the brain.

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It's not necessarily an end all be all and it might actually raise more questions than

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one would think, but there's also that.

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So I mean, you know, there's kind of that, the good feels that people can experience

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in church and or probably being in a cult.

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I don't know.

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Sure.

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That's like anybody who's been out in the woods deep enough to have been lost, you will,

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I describe it as seeing the fairies, but you start hearing noises and seeing things that

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don't exist for sure.

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Yeah.

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Like, yeah, it's the best.

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The best time for that is at dusk, like before it's too dark to see, but it's just dark enough

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that every bush or shrub can look like something completely different depending on what your

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brain decides it wants to see at that time.

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Or, you know, the thing it most does not want to see.

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So yeah, I definitely sympathize with the old fairies, like the old European fairies

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and things like that.

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Oh yeah.

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I can see like in a pre technology time where you're out alone, you could probably see some

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fairies for sure.

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Oh yeah.

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Well, even in technology time, you know, your phone flashlight will only light up so much

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of the woods, you know, as well.

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But you don't get reception everywhere.

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And we, I think we know a lot more about the things that are likely to be there, but telling

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yourself that there's no whatever, like there are no ghosts, there are no giant wolves here.

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There are no whatever it is.

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If you're a load of the woods and don't know where you are and it's, it is that dusk or

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nighttime and you can't see anything, like good luck trying to reconvince yourself that

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those things don't exist right there.

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Right.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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But of course, you know, when you come out of the woods and look back and go, that was

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kind of silly, but I was scared for other reasons, you know, but I had to manifest them

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somehow into some kind of shape.

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Where are you with your cigar, Mike?

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I am a little over halfway.

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Where are you at?

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Same.

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Yep.

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Same.

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I like this a lot.

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I knew I would.

440
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I was looking forward to it.

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It's dark.

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Yes.

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Very dark.

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Yeah.

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These are good.

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I like these a lot.

447
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This is a good one.

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This smoking pretty fast.

449
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Have you had this one before?

450
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No, I have not.

451
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I have not, but I like these cane series cigars.

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Yeah.

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The canes are good.

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I like them.

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Yeah.

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So I was definitely looking forward.

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I'm like, oh man, this is going to be a great one.

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I'm not going to lie.

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I picked it mostly for the size because I don't have a ton of research on this one.

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I didn't want to get really heavy into a lot of this stuff, you know, like the grooming

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stuff and I wanted to keep it a little more surface level and a little more like conversational

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than reading off of articles and things.

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But oh, absolutely.

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And I do have more to talk about.

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Yes, it might be controversial to say, but at least on the surface, like something like

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Drag Queen story hour, which made the news and some of these behaviors that have been

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criticized by the conservative elements, at least on the surface, they do have some appearances

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of grooming for sure.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if you saw the video of the child children at a drag show at a bar.

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And in the background, there was a neon sign that said it's not going to suck itself.

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Okay.

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It's it's just it's like perfectly normal for adults to go and watch a drag show at

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a bar that has a sign like that.

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It's probably not like it definitely makes me question what's going on when there's children

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at that event.

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That is definitely for adults.

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Yeah.

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Well, and when we talk about the drag stuff, which we'll do here in just a little bit,

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I want to and I'm going to tell you this now because I didn't write this down, but I want

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to tell you now so that you can help me remember.

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I want to differentiate a drag show slash like a drag brunch and the drag story times.

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Okay.

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So I want to I want to handle each one of those separately.

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That is perfectly fine.

486
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Okay.

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The last thing I have as far as research research goes is prayers.

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And yes, I just wanted to talk about prayers a little bit because I know it can be almost

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a form of meditation maybe for religious people to pray.

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But there is there's an article that was published, thoughts and prayers.

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Do they crowd out charity donations?

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And this was published in the Journal of Risk and Uncertainty.

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But this professor who wrote the article shows that people who pray for others genuinely

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do so out of empathy.

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They feel sorry for the misfortune of others and pray as a way to help them.

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But when they pray, they often fail to do anything else like donate money.

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So they actually did a study where they told these participants they all had like a free

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five dollars and they had religious people and atheists and everything.

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And the religious people would pray and not do anything with the five dollars.

500
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,560
And the atheist people would donate the five dollars.

501
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,960
So the problem that this article is trying to point out is that and with a lot of the

502
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,760
school shootings and a lot of the issues that we think the government should be able to

503
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,760
take care of, you know, a lot of the religious crowd will say we're sending our thoughts

504
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,240
and prayers to wherever.

505
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,400
But they don't send anything else.

506
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,400
They only send the thoughts and prayers.

507
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:30,360
So I guess just trying to expose or explain or look at that kind of, I don't know what

508
00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:36,200
you call it, that conundrum or something where the praying in itself is enough for some religious

509
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,600
people and they don't actually do anything about it.

510
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,280
And I don't want to get into the theological discussion of, well, praying is doing something

511
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,280
about it because God's working on it.

512
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,440
I'm not trying to get into that.

513
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,280
I'm just saying if you want to solve a problem, you're going to have to do something more

514
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,280
than thoughts and prayers.

515
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,280
Yes.

516
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:57,000
Well, America is a big fan of doing nothing about problems right now, currently.

517
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,040
So specifically with the events.

518
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,120
Historically, yeah.

519
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:05,720
Right now we're doing nothing about violence in schools, right?

520
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:06,800
Nothing.

521
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,560
So if we agree there's a problem, we have to do something, something.

522
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:18,480
I'm not saying what the solution is, but maybe having universal access to healthcare services

523
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,520
would alleviate some of the mental health issues that are underlying the violence to

524
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:23,520
begin with.

525
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,000
Maybe that's a solution.

526
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,000
Yeah.

527
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,000
Yeah.

528
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:33,600
Because I honestly, personally am tired of reading about the shooter, that they've been

529
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,880
in and out of mental health.

530
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:36,880
You know what I mean?

531
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:42,920
I knew they were mentally unstable and all these people knew all these things and what

532
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:43,920
happened.

533
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,920
Nothing.

534
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:45,920
Like nobody helped.

535
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:46,920
Nobody was able to help.

536
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,840
Nobody was, you know, for whatever reasons, I don't know what reasons, but how many of

537
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,800
the shootings that have happened in America have you looked at those articles where they

538
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,680
say, oh yes, this person was struggling with this mentally or that mentally.

539
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,160
It's like, well, if you knew that, what the fuck?

540
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,160
Right.

541
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,160
And there was a case-

542
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,160
So I agree.

543
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:10,720
Well, this was a couple of months ago where the parents of the shooter were charged because

544
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:17,280
they gave that child, their child, access to firearms when they knew that they were

545
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,280
in treatment and they had some mental health problems.

546
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,280
That's highly irresponsible.

547
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:27,640
And I think that's probably a step in the right direction because you shouldn't be buying

548
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:33,480
pistols and guns and giving access to firearms, unlimited, unrestricted access to firearms

549
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,600
to somebody who shouldn't, you know, responsibility, right?

550
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,400
Let's be responsible with our actions.

551
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,400
Yeah.

552
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,920
Well, growing up, the only, once I was old enough, the only firearm, let's say, you and

553
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:53,840
I know it's not really, but just for the sake of, you know, the only firearm I had free

554
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,400
and unlimited access to was my BB gun.

555
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:04,240
Everything else was locked up and was only to be used when my dad said it was time to

556
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,240
use it.

557
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,240
You know what I mean?

558
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,960
Like I could ask to shoot and he would most oftentimes oblige and say, yep, we've got

559
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,960
time for it.

560
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:11,960
Let's do it.

561
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:12,960
Let's get him.

562
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:13,960
We'll be safe and all this.

563
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,520
But it wasn't something I could just wander down and grab myself and go, you know, plink

564
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,080
targets in the yard with unless it was my BB gun.

565
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:26,800
I largely had unrestricted access to my shotgun and to a 22 rifle, but I also grew up in

566
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,880
the middle of nowhere and I hunted and the intention was for me to use that for hunting.

567
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,200
Well, you know what I mean?

568
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,760
Like I went hunting with my friends.

569
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,760
Yeah.

570
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:36,760
Yeah.

571
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:37,760
Like after school or whatever.

572
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:38,760
Yeah.

573
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:39,760
Well, I mean, like when I, yeah, but that was older.

574
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,760
I was talking to like when I was younger, but when I was in high school, yeah, when I

575
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,600
was in high school, then I think I was, I think it was high school.

576
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,400
I was given the code to the gun safe, you know, if I needed it.

577
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,640
But by and large, we only did, you know, we only took the guns out if we're going to go

578
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,400
sight them in or shoot trap or actually go hunting.

579
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,400
Right.

580
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:00,400
Yeah.

581
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,640
When I was in middle school, I just saying I didn't have access to all that stuff until

582
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,800
I had had the proper gun safety in the eyes of my parents.

583
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,000
You know what I mean?

584
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,940
Like that stuff was instilled indoctrinated, if you will, in me before I was given access

585
00:28:13,940 --> 00:28:14,940
to those things.

586
00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:15,940
Right.

587
00:28:15,940 --> 00:28:16,940
Me also, me also.

588
00:28:16,940 --> 00:28:22,080
I also didn't have issues that would lead anybody to believe that I was going to harm

589
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,080
anybody with a firearm.

590
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:30,080
No, no, I wasn't out there shooting neighborhood dogs or cats or, you know, the mailman or

591
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,080
something.

592
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,080
Right, right.

593
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:37,040
So, but that, you know, like that's a good, uh, kind of a good segue because teaching

594
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,800
people things is that indoctrination?

595
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,840
Uh, it has elements of it for sure.

596
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:42,840
Yeah.

597
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:43,840
I mean, there's probably a line.

598
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,840
Oh, for sure.

599
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,000
You know, but like safety things, it kind of has to be indoctrination.

600
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,680
Like what, every time I cross the street, look left, look right, look left again, you

601
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,680
know, I don't know.

602
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,280
It's a habit now.

603
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,280
You know what I mean?

604
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:04,880
Well, there's, if you go to college to teach, they try to teach you pedagogy, which is literally

605
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:10,520
the science of how to manipulate children into learning more or less.

606
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,800
That's a more pessimistic way to put it, right?

607
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:18,060
A pessimistic way to put it would be the science behind how to manipulate children to pay attention

608
00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:21,720
and learn your boring school subject that you want to teach them.

609
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:22,720
Yeah.

610
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,720
There are definitely elements.

611
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,720
Well, and maybe it comes down to intent.

612
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:25,720
Potentially.

613
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:26,720
Yeah.

614
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,160
You know, I mean, some, some safety things, I don't know, in the early days of humanity,

615
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:36,040
don't eat those berries over there because they killed Chad or something, you know, like

616
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,760
if you don't do that kind of indoctrination or teaching, everybody's going to die because

617
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,120
they're all going to eat those berries.

618
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,120
Yeah.

619
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,520
That's a, I've heard that social theory many times that the food prohibitions of early

620
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,320
religions were a lot about food safety.

621
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,320
Yeah.

622
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,320
So what is it?

623
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,320
Well, Simcha would know.

624
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:59,040
I don't know if it's Leviticus, but one of the chapters of the Bible, even that non-Judaic

625
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:06,440
people read are mostly preclusions for the Jews in that time period, you know, like the

626
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,960
clemeness and don't eat pork and don't lie with a woman on her period kind of thing.

627
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,260
They simply didn't have the understanding of a lot of the stuff or they wanted to share

628
00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:18,880
the knowledge they did have with a lot of the stuff.

629
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,200
So I've heard that interpretation.

630
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,560
I don't know if that's true about that chapter or whatnot, but I've heard it said that some

631
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:30,240
of that stuff is like you said, you know, passing along wisdom or the best wisdom they

632
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,240
had at the time.

633
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,360
But now we can talk a little bit about things that might be grooming or indoctrination or

634
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,360
neither.

635
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,240
And I guess let's start with the, I don't know, do you want to start with the Drake

636
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,800
Queen story time or do you want to start with the Drake brunches and Drake shows?

637
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,440
Drake story hour, because I think that's, that's easy.

638
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:51,440
It's not easier.

639
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,840
It's actually more complicated.

640
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,600
It's hot topic and I don't know what to think about it.

641
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,600
You know what?

642
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,520
I didn't know what to think about it until I did research on this because I've seen there's

643
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:07,080
a meme and I'm sure it spawned from a non-meme source, but the thing is, you know, why are

644
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,400
you only reading to children?

645
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,580
Why aren't you reading in nursing homes, hospitals and things like that?

646
00:31:12,580 --> 00:31:16,320
So there's definitely people that are upset about Drake story hours.

647
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:22,800
I was reading and this is, I think this is true for both Drake story hours and Drake

648
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:31,160
shows, though what is presented and let's say, I don't know, consumed by the audiences

649
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,680
is drastically different.

650
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:40,560
I hope I think is that, uh, Drake Queens are a form of pantomime, like an over the top

651
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,360
performance, right?

652
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,240
And, and so that got me thinking like Monty

653
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:52,720
Python, kids in the hall, a lot of these shows or comedy troops, uh, even Shakespeare in

654
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,040
the beginning, you know, when Shakespeare was still alive and doing, doing the stuff,

655
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:02,160
men played all the roles and it wasn't an issue, you know, and Monty Python kids in

656
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:08,080
the hall, they cross dress and do crazy things for no reason other than it's funny.

657
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,080
It's over the top.

658
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,720
They're taking stereotypes and embodying them fully, you know, and I think the story time

659
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,720
is specifically aimed at children.

660
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:23,880
So they're reading a book, but it's a overly flamboyant, overly made up, overly costumed

661
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,320
person who's reading the story to the kids, which who cares?

662
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,760
As long as they're not reading, we all should cross dress or we should all have this kind

663
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:33,760
of sex.

664
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:34,760
You know what I mean?

665
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,880
Yeah, I would say, who cares?

666
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,040
Who's reading you Charlotte's web ultimately, right?

667
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,800
So my line would be, and I don't, I have done almost no research because I, I think it's

668
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,800
the parents responsibility to judge whether it's appropriate or not.

669
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:50,800
Yeah.

670
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:58,200
It's a local issue in my opinion, but if you have a drag queen doing a normal recital of

671
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,400
the Lorax, sure.

672
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,400
Like that's fine.

673
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:07,120
As long as they're not reading the script to the Rocky Horror Picture Show to five year

674
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,840
olds, I don't see what the problem is.

675
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,600
Don't be hating on the time warp.

676
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:16,520
All kinds of people read books to children and whatever, you know, like who cares?

677
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:17,520
That's not a problem.

678
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:18,520
Yeah.

679
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,520
Not inherently.

680
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,720
It's not inherently a problem.

681
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,640
No, it's not inherently a problem.

682
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,840
And I think we might as well mention this is not every drag queen is the same.

683
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:33,040
So some, just like all people, some people have an agenda they want to push on people

684
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,160
and some people don't.

685
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,040
And that's true for anything you might want to do, any hobby you might have.

686
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:44,640
So sure, there are drag queens who use the story time to try and let's just call it evangelize

687
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:51,360
the children and get them to chant, you know, pro LGBTQ plus stuff or what have you, you

688
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,360
know what I mean?

689
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:57,320
But then there's a whole bunch that just have fun with their character that they're doing

690
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,800
and reading a book to children while being all like glammed and glitzed out.

691
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,760
So I think, I think by and large, when I was reading a lot of stuff on like Reddit and

692
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,840
things about drag queens and the story times and whatnot, and just kind of being an over

693
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,680
the top performance, I was like, yeah, that's probably fine.

694
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:16,680
That's okay.

695
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,440
Why they don't do it in hospitals and stuff.

696
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,440
Maybe they do.

697
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,440
Maybe they do it in nursing homes.

698
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,960
It's probably just not reported on because everybody there is of the appropriate age

699
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,320
for any kind of thing.

700
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,320
You know what I mean?

701
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,360
Why don't clowns go and read books to dying people, right?

702
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,920
There's a time and a place for everything.

703
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:39,440
I see a drag queen reading a normal children's story the same as a clown doing it, which

704
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,680
is normal, right?

705
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:41,680
Yeah.

706
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:47,680
Giggles the clown going into the school and reading books is, or at the library is non-controversial.

707
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,240
So, yeah, they're more similar than they are different.

708
00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:52,680
Yes, I agree.

709
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,360
The drag brunches and things on the other hand, my wife has gone to some drag brunches

710
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,640
with one of her friends and sent me videos.

711
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:07,720
And these drag queens are putting on a very physical performance and are very over the

712
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:12,120
top flirtatious and things of that nature.

713
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,920
My wife was telling me that her friend will bring her children to these shows and I'm

714
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,760
like, are you shitting me?

715
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,840
This is not appropriate for a child, in my opinion.

716
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:23,840
Every parent has their own thing.

717
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,720
So, I'm not trying to say this person's a bad parent, but I was kind of like, the what

718
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,320
now because they're wearing like performance getup.

719
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,320
Right.

720
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,600
It's a burlesque style show to entertain adults.

721
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,600
Yes.

722
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:43,360
It's not for children, at least not to my awareness.

723
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,960
This is for adults to be entertained.

724
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:46,960
Yeah.

725
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:52,520
And some of those drag brunches and drag shows build themselves as family friendly.

726
00:35:52,520 --> 00:36:00,680
And I think that it is family friendly in the same sense of a PG-13 movie that says

727
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,080
fuck is family friendly.

728
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,080
You know what I mean?

729
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,080
Right.

730
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:10,120
Like it's, I don't believe the drag show people are necessarily saying, bring your four year

731
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,720
old to this.

732
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:14,600
You know what I mean?

733
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,400
And I think that might be the difference is like a drag story hour is kind of targeted

734
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:24,720
to kids because I'm not going to go listen to a drag queen read a Dune novel.

735
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:30,760
One, because it would take all day and two, I'd rather just read it on my own, but you

736
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,160
know, they're targeted at kids.

737
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:37,640
So of course they're just going to wear a really large dress, heavy makeup, what have

738
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:38,640
you.

739
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:39,640
No big deal.

740
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:40,640
It's no different than a clown.

741
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,640
That's the same thing clowns wear, you know, or if you had, I don't know, let's say like

742
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,480
Snoopy, somebody who's wearing a Snoopy costume.

743
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:52,440
Oh, Snoopy the dog is going to read you a book, you know, Santa Claus, Easter bunny,

744
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:58,360
Santa Claus, whatever anyone, but like a drag show, I think is different in nature because

745
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:03,920
they're performing, you know, doing moves on stage.

746
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,760
It's the same as like going to any kind of band.

747
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,760
You know what I mean?

748
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:14,440
Like some of those bands get very like graphic on stage with their dance moves and stuff

749
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,480
and some don't and some have very suggestive lyrics and some explicit lyrics, you know,

750
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,080
so it's, I think it's, you know, I don't know that I think the difference is like the drag

751
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:29,400
shows aren't necessarily targeted for children in the same age group as the children that

752
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,400
would go to a story reading.

753
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,400
Right.

754
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,840
If I were a drag queen.

755
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,200
Some people think like, yes, you'd be beautiful.

756
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:43,760
I would not want children at my drag performance in no, like that is, that would be like being

757
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,300
a Britney Spears and wanting children at your concert.

758
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:50,120
That's not for children, right?

759
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:55,160
Like you can listen to the Britney Spears song on the radio, but the show is not for

760
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,160
children.

761
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,160
The show is for adults.

762
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,040
The CD booklet was not for children.

763
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,040
Right.

764
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:08,460
No, no, it was not.

765
00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:12,240
But I think like it gets a little confusing for some of the parents because they're, they're

766
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:15,080
like, oh, well, we, you know, we were at the drag story hour.

767
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,780
So of course it's fine to go to a drag show.

768
00:38:17,780 --> 00:38:21,640
And I don't know if it's like the parents that just don't realize or, but I don't, you

769
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:28,880
know, I think that the religious people like to kind of vilify the, uh, uh, the drag queens

770
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:35,280
and not say, well, the parents should have known to just not bring children to a sexualized

771
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,500
burlesque show featuring drag queens.

772
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:41,520
You know, like you're not bringing your kid to this strip club.

773
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,680
I hope you're not bringing your kids to a lot of shows don't get.

774
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:46,680
Yeah.

775
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,920
I mean, the drag, the drag shows, as far as I know, don't get like full nudity, but they're

776
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,620
still overly sexualized because it's the same type of over the top performance.

777
00:38:54,620 --> 00:38:58,120
Like that's the whole point of a drag queen, you know, is it's like, it's over the top.

778
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,440
It's a performance.

779
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,320
It's embodying the stereotype.

780
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,320
You know what I mean?

781
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,640
It's largely humorous.

782
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,840
It's but it's for humor for adults, right?

783
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,040
You're not going to bring your kid to go see Richard Pryor, Richard Pryor probably not

784
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,360
probably doesn't want you to bring your kids to a show either.

785
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,600
Of course he's dead, but if he were alive, he probably didn't want you to bring your

786
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:17,800
kids to a show.

787
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,800
Yeah.

788
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:19,800
Yeah.

789
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,600
So I wanted to make the distinction between like the drag show, which is very, very different

790
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:30,040
than the drag queen story time, at least hopefully, hopefully.

791
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,800
I mean, I've seen videos of like, of course the, the story times that have gone bad.

792
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,420
There's always going to be weirdos in whatever group you're talking about.

793
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:41,800
And then you're talking about a subset like drag queen.

794
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,320
You're probably going to have a higher percentage of people who are don't think the way that

795
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,040
the most conservative people think.

796
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,040
Let's put it that way.

797
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,040
Right?

798
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,040
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

799
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,040
Yeah.

800
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,040
John Waters does not want your kid to watch his movie.

801
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,040
I promise.

802
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,040
Yeah.

803
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,960
I don't know that he, I don't know that he necessarily cares if they do, but it's not

804
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:01,960
his goal.

805
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,320
His goal is not to make things for kids.

806
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,320
You know?

807
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:06,320
Yeah.

808
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,320
I mean, you know, and you can do the same thing.

809
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:12,200
You know, the priests and pastors, you know, how many of them have infidelities or done

810
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,840
things with children or what have you.

811
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,140
So it's not really the thing.

812
00:40:17,140 --> 00:40:19,800
It's the person, you know, it's not, are you a drag queen?

813
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,360
Are you a minister?

814
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,480
It's the person.

815
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,120
Are you, do you have a secret agenda?

816
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,640
Are you abusing it?

817
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:27,640
That sort of thing.

818
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:28,640
In my opinion.

819
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:29,640
Right.

820
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:35,560
Uh, the doctor who just recently had a drag queen as a villain character and people got

821
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:40,000
up in arms about it, which I did not watch the, the episode for my own reasons, but it

822
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,960
was not because there was a drag queen.

823
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,720
And uh, I was like, why are you upset that there's a drag queen as a character in the

824
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:50,160
show as, you know, one of the antagonists?

825
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,500
This person's an actor.

826
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:52,540
They're acting.

827
00:40:52,540 --> 00:40:57,560
It's perfectly fine to have a crazy villain in a stupid sci-fi show.

828
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:58,560
You know what I mean?

829
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,760
As long as they're not doing anything not appropriate for TV, which obviously they're

830
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,560
not cause it's on TV.

831
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,000
Like, what's the problem here?

832
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,000
Yeah.

833
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,000
Yeah.

834
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,040
Separate the actor from the character and separate, you know, the real people from the

835
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,040
shitty writing.

836
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,040
Right.

837
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,040
Yeah.

838
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,440
The shitty writing is why I'm not going.

839
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,920
It's not because there's an actor playing a character.

840
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,480
I don't care who they put in it.

841
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,960
I'm not, I'm not watching it.

842
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:22,960
Right.

843
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:23,960
Yeah.

844
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:24,960
It doesn't really matter.

845
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,840
I'm sad to say, I'm sad to say I'm done with Dr. Who because I really loved it for a long

846
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,520
time there, but I just can't do it much like a star Wars, you know?

847
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,800
Well, the numbers don't lie.

848
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,160
I don't care who you put in it.

849
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,000
This is the worst ratings they've ever had.

850
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,280
Not to go on a total tangent, but these are the worst ratings they've ever had.

851
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,280
No, yeah.

852
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,280
They're worse.

853
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,480
They're worse than the Dr. Who ratings when they canceled it back in the nineties.

854
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,040
Like they are the lowest.

855
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,440
They've literally the lowest they've ever been.

856
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,440
Yeah.

857
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,440
So.

858
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:53,440
And for good reason.

859
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:54,440
Yeah.

860
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,440
Yes.

861
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:56,440
Yes.

862
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,440
Yeah.

863
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,640
So I don't, you know, even the drag show though, I don't think is trying to indoctrinate

864
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:00,640
or groom anybody.

865
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,640
No.

866
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,480
I mean, the drag show is for adults, right?

867
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,040
It's there to be entertainment for adult human beings.

868
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,440
Like, okay, Britney Spears is a great example because it's not appropriate for kids.

869
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,480
Is Britney Spears trying to indoctrinate you into wanting to listen to Britney Spears

870
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,480
music?

871
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,480
You know what I mean?

872
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,480
Like.

873
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,480
Yeah.

874
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,440
I mean, obviously she has paid off of people listening to her music, just the same way

875
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,440
drag queens get paid off of people coming to their shows, but they're not out there

876
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,760
actively doing the things to indoctrinate.

877
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,120
They're not finding susceptible young children and inviting them to the drag show.

878
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,120
Exactly.

879
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,660
That they couldn't get into with other parents.

880
00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:36,660
You know what I mean?

881
00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:39,360
Like they're not out there encouraging kids to come to their show.

882
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,400
They're encouraging adults to come to their show, you know, with flyers and the bar or

883
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,520
whatever, but it's not like they're out there going to elementary schools, handing out pamphlets

884
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,320
saying, come to my drag show.

885
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,240
You can watch a full grown man in a dress do the splits.

886
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:54,240
Right.

887
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:59,840
Like they're doing the drag show at an event for adults in a space intended for adults.

888
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,520
You probably shouldn't bring your kids into the same bar that they're doing the drag show

889
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:04,520
at.

890
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:05,520
That's an adult bar.

891
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:06,520
Like all bars are adult bars.

892
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,520
Right.

893
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,080
Even if it's a brunch, you know what I mean?

894
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,720
Like even if it's a brunch.

895
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:11,720
Right.

896
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:12,980
We did go to a brewery.

897
00:43:12,980 --> 00:43:17,720
We did go to a brewery, Mike, with the kids, with both kids, and they had drag bingo.

898
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:20,240
But you know what drag bingo was?

899
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:21,240
No.

900
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:27,920
It was regular bingo, except the person reading the numbers was a drag queen in a huge dress

901
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,920
with a lot of makeup.

902
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,920
That's kind of fun.

903
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:30,920
Yeah, it was fun.

904
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,960
It wandered around and looked at cards and passed out cards and what have you.

905
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:35,960
Not a big deal.

906
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,520
Like it's not, there was nothing goofy about the whole thing.

907
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:43,320
It would be no different than if it was clown bingo or like you said, Santa Claus bingo

908
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,360
or any other kind of bingo.

909
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,360
You know what I mean?

910
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,960
Like they weren't doing the splits in skimpy outfits.

911
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,400
I love a good gimmick.

912
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,160
I've mentioned, yeah, I know.

913
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,440
I've mentioned the splits twice, not like that is like the most sexual move somebody

914
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,440
can do.

915
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:02,680
I've just, you know, the stuff I've seen from the drag brunches my wife's gone to, they're

916
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:03,680
in physical shape.

917
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:04,680
They can do things.

918
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:05,680
Okay.

919
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:06,680
Right.

920
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:12,040
So kudos to them for being able to put on those kinds of performances is the main point

921
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,840
at the end, at the end of the day.

922
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:19,940
So I think with the drag queen stuff, it drastically depends on how you're encountering them.

923
00:44:19,940 --> 00:44:24,560
If it's a story time or a bingo time, I think that's pretty benign.

924
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,360
If you're going to a drag show, that's a different, a different thing.

925
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:34,020
You know, I know last year we talked about the pride fest when we did all the pride flakes

926
00:44:34,020 --> 00:44:39,760
and things and pride fest is not something I would bring my children to because there's

927
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,360
not a lot of clothes worn.

928
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:47,160
Like the least amount of clothes legally allowable to not end up in jail is what's worn.

929
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,040
So again, not everything is for everybody.

930
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,040
Right?

931
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,120
So if you're going to the place where the body painting clothes, probably don't want

932
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,920
to bring your kids there.

933
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,400
Like not everything is for children.

934
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,240
Not everything is for whoever.

935
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:03,240
Right?

936
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:09,600
Going, going to a, going to a bar that has a kitchen, probably fine before seven o'clock.

937
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:10,600
You know what I mean?

938
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:11,600
Right.

939
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,920
After a certain time, it's no longer for kids.

940
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,000
No, no, it is not.

941
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:22,480
You know, be, be aware of what you're getting involved in and don't complain if you got

942
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:27,280
your kids somewhere that you should have known they shouldn't be.

943
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,840
You can't fix stupid people.

944
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:34,240
You know, a lot, I think that a lot of this is like nanny state bullshit from the conservatives

945
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:38,520
where it's like, we want the government to protect us from being stupid.

946
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,140
Like, no, no, you should be thinking about what you're doing.

947
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:43,600
So be aware.

948
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:49,600
I would say the flip side though too is like the liberals sometimes say, well, if you don't

949
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,320
like a drag shows and you're a bigot, you don't have to like drag shows.

950
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,080
You don't have to like Britney Spears.

951
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,080
You know what I mean?

952
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,920
Like, like you said, not, not everything is for everybody.

953
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:04,020
So if the, you know, if somebody doesn't want to go to a drag show, they're not a bigot.

954
00:46:04,020 --> 00:46:05,720
They might just not enjoy it.

955
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:06,720
Exactly.

956
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:07,720
Exactly.

957
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:11,680
So that's like complaining that they're swearing at the people who enjoy, yeah.

958
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,800
People who enjoy like burlesque shows might not like going to strip clubs.

959
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,280
It's two different things.

960
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,280
Absolutely.

961
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:25,440
You know, so I think understanding what it is is a good first step before we start throwing

962
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,920
around bigot and whatever, what have you.

963
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:34,160
So you know, Monty Python, not for everybody, but the people is not for, you don't need

964
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,780
that kind of negativity in your life.

965
00:46:35,780 --> 00:46:37,120
So don't worry about it.

966
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,880
No, it's like going to a clown performance.

967
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,040
You better pay attention to what that clown is because you could have the sad murder clown

968
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,000
who does adult comedy, or you could have the kids clown.

969
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,000
Those are two different things.

970
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,000
You know what I mean?

971
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,440
Like they are not, I bet you that guy or the woman, whoever the clown is, that's going

972
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,240
to be a clown act for adults, does not want your kids there, right?

973
00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:59,680
That person does not want you to bring your kids.

974
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:00,680
That's not the goal.

975
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:01,680
That's not the goal.

976
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,240
They're not making content for kids.

977
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:04,240
Right.

978
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,920
You know, I think the, the, the, the tricky thing is the performer, like how, how is the

979
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,000
performer going to know who's going to be there?

980
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,360
Do you know what I mean?

981
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,200
Like they want to sell tickets.

982
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:19,140
They put on a show for whichever audience they want to put the show on for.

983
00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:21,440
It's not like, I mean, they're getting ready to perform.

984
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,160
It's not like somebody at the door then runs back to the dressing room and says, Oh my

985
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,320
goodness, uh, Killy the clown.

986
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,520
I sold 18 child tickets to this performance.

987
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,520
They don't know.

988
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,520
They don't know who's buying tickets.

989
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,640
They don't, you know, like,

990
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,560
I like Killy the clown.

991
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,640
I hope that there is a Killy the clown out there.

992
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,160
That'd be awesome.

993
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,360
Uh, Killy the clown, drop us a line.

994
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,800
We'll have you on the show, you know, and even if they knew there were kids there, it's

995
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:53,800
too late.

996
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:54,800
They can't change the show.

997
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,080
They've rehearsed this, you know, right?

998
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,980
Like drag shows, they've rehearsed it.

999
00:47:58,980 --> 00:48:01,960
They can't change it because a child showed up.

1000
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,840
Like that's not necessarily on them.

1001
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,360
That's why movies have ratings.

1002
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:07,360
And you can complain about ratings.

1003
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,240
You don't want to bring your kid to Eddie Murphy's standup, right?

1004
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:12,960
Like Eddie Murphy's children movies are his children's movies.

1005
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,080
His standup is something totally different.

1006
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:20,000
You know, Bob Saget's standup when he was alive, like that is not a show for kids.

1007
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,880
Like just because he was on full house does not mean that it is full house the show.

1008
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:25,880
Yes.

1009
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,360
So, well, and the, uh, the guy who voiced Winnie the Pooh for a long time was in an

1010
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,080
R rated animated, uh, movie.

1011
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,400
It was a dead space movie.

1012
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,000
So not really a name that you'd want to show to kids.

1013
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,240
But if you were like, oh yeah, that's the guy that does Winnie the Pooh.

1014
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:41,520
Well, he doesn't do the Winnie the Pooh voice in this one.

1015
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,400
I can assure you that.

1016
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,440
So you know, right.

1017
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,720
I mean, just like parents, parents talk to their children differently than they talk

1018
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:53,680
to other adults when the children are in bed, right?

1019
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,040
You know, by and large, like there are certain things I don't talk about when the kids are

1020
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,680
awake because they're not prepared for that yet.

1021
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:02,680
Right.

1022
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,160
I also have religion on here, which I think we kind of covered earlier.

1023
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,880
You know, some of them, or they all started as cults, maybe.

1024
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:14,320
And it kind of depends on the actual church plus the minister slash priests slash rabbi

1025
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,720
slash figurehead of that, of that church.

1026
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:22,480
I know in the Lutheran sense, a lot of the churches have a, uh, Oh, what's it called

1027
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:23,480
now?

1028
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,200
Some of them are like ECLA and some of them are, I don't know, some, some other thing,

1029
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,600
but they're kind of, they're not really, I don't know if they're organizations.

1030
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:36,560
Or if they're kind of like schools of thought or something, but you can generally tell because

1031
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,200
some of the Lutheran, is it a synod?

1032
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,200
Synod?

1033
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:41,200
Is that the right word, Mike?

1034
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,200
I think so.

1035
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:47,760
Some of them are, you know, pro homosexual and some of them are homosexuality is a sin.

1036
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:53,280
So it just kind of depends, you know, but even in the Lutheran faith, there's a wide

1037
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,520
range of belief systems out there.

1038
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:02,380
And then I think it really kind of depends on the actual minister or preacher, how much

1039
00:50:02,380 --> 00:50:07,040
of a cult it is versus religion kind of thing, you know?

1040
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,760
And like you said, the bite model, they all are kind of trying to, of course, gain, attract

1041
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:17,140
and keep followers, but they're not all trying to necessarily flat out indoctrinate people

1042
00:50:17,140 --> 00:50:18,140
or groom children.

1043
00:50:18,140 --> 00:50:19,140
Right.

1044
00:50:19,140 --> 00:50:23,320
Well, that's, there's a spectrum of what's appropriate and what's not, you know, there's

1045
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:28,040
a line for what we would consider normal and what we consider abnormal.

1046
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,040
Yes.

1047
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:34,760
So somebody like me, from my perspective, like Jehovah's Witnesses, that's abnormal

1048
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:35,760
to me.

1049
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:36,760
That's a little too cult-like.

1050
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:37,760
Yeah.

1051
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,960
And they are way more cult-like than any Methodist church, let's say.

1052
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,680
The Methodist church is not going to try to control your personal life to that extent

1053
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,760
for certain, you know?

1054
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:50,760
Yeah.

1055
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:51,760
Or Mormons.

1056
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,640
There's a wide range of Mormon churches, too.

1057
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,200
I would say Mormons are pretty culty.

1058
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,200
Depends.

1059
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,840
Depends, because there's the Jack Mormons and then there's the regular standard Mormons

1060
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:02,840
and then there's the FLDS.

1061
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,640
And those are just three main groups, but there's a spectrum there, too, you know?

1062
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:08,640
Yeah.

1063
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,280
And it's not like the mainstream Mormon church.

1064
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,280
Scientology.

1065
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,280
Yeah.

1066
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,880
Scientology is, I don't know if there is a normal Scientology existence, you know, where

1067
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,760
you can integrate to society.

1068
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:20,760
I'm not aware.

1069
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,400
I'm not a Scientologist and I really don't know.

1070
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:24,400
They keep it secret.

1071
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,920
They keep their internal working secret, so it's more difficult to tell.

1072
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:28,920
Yeah.

1073
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:29,920
Yeah.

1074
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,640
Whereas like a Mormon church, at least, it's not secret, you know?

1075
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:34,640
Yeah.

1076
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:35,640
So.

1077
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:41,040
I want to talk about something I think that actually legitimately is grooming and then

1078
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,920
one that I think is borderline grooming.

1079
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,560
The first one that I think is definitely grooming, and I don't know that you could convince me

1080
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,960
otherwise, is child beauty pageants.

1081
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,480
That's some weird shit for sure.

1082
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:59,760
I don't have a worldview that allows me to accept that as normal behavior.

1083
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,800
I've seen some images and videos about child pageants.

1084
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,760
I've never been to one, obviously.

1085
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:06,760
I've never been to one.

1086
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,240
But it doesn't seem to be on the level to me.

1087
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:10,240
No.

1088
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:17,480
I can understand spelling bees, science fairs, tee ball, flag football, soccer, child.

1089
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,040
But child beauty pageants, I don't get.

1090
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,320
I can understand synchronized dancing.

1091
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:23,320
You know?

1092
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,360
Like, I can get that.

1093
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:26,360
Yeah.

1094
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:27,360
Like, that's pretty normal.

1095
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,720
You know, group competition type behavior, you know?

1096
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:32,720
With coaching and.

1097
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:33,720
Yeah.

1098
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:34,720
Yeah.

1099
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:38,680
Well, the next one I was going to talk about was actual dance.

1100
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:39,680
Like the, you know.

1101
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:40,680
Oh, sure.

1102
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,120
I don't know, because all those like dance people, and they go all over and they dress

1103
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,680
their kids up in like real tight clothes for no reason.

1104
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,240
And then it's like dance.

1105
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,600
And I'm like, this, I don't, I don't know.

1106
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:54,600
They're children.

1107
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,520
Like, why can't they just wear something normal for a child?

1108
00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:59,520
You know what I mean?

1109
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:00,520
I do.

1110
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:01,520
I do.

1111
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:06,200
It's some of the, some of it's borderline and some of it's normal, I guess, depending

1112
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,200
on.

1113
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,200
Well, yeah, yeah, exactly.

1114
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,200
You know.

1115
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,200
Yeah.

1116
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,200
I do know what you mean, though.

1117
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:13,200
Yes.

1118
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:19,280
I've had relatives that were in dance and there's some cult like behavior with the dance

1119
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:20,600
studio and the teacher.

1120
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:21,600
Oh, for sure.

1121
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:22,600
And everything else.

1122
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,840
But typically it's all women doing it.

1123
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:28,160
So I don't think that it's predatory or anything like that.

1124
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:35,120
Whereas the child beauty pageant industry seems like it could be more predatory in nature.

1125
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,120
Yeah.

1126
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:42,120
The, the judging in the child beauty pageant is less.

1127
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:49,160
I mean, dance you could say is almost like gymnastics where there's moves or things that

1128
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,480
get graded on how well they're executed.

1129
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:59,120
Whereas a beauty pageant, I am not even going to mention what I think the criteria is for

1130
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,120
that.

1131
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,360
So I don't even like the adult beauty pageants.

1132
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:08,960
Adult beauty pageants, which I've watched Miss America beauty pageant on TV as a child,

1133
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,760
because that was all that was on TV for public airwaves, you know, and it's just a pretty

1134
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:14,760
contest.

1135
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:15,760
Isn't that basically what it is?

1136
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:16,760
A pretty contest.

1137
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,000
And then they have some sort of a hokey skill.

1138
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,600
It's never like a real skill, right?

1139
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,680
They're not fixing cars or something.

1140
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:32,200
No, I can whistle with my belly button or, you know, I can use a baton and look pretty

1141
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,200
doing it.

1142
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,000
I can gargle and sing the national anthem.

1143
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,000
Right.

1144
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,920
They're not they're not small engine mechanics or something.

1145
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:40,920
Yeah.

1146
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,000
They're not a NASCAR pit crew.

1147
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,000
Right.

1148
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,000
Yeah.

1149
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,280
It's not or arm wrestling or something, you know, like something that's just they're not

1150
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,280
using a saw.

1151
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,280
I guess actual skill.

1152
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:54,280
Yeah.

1153
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:59,920
Is that it's not like something that it's like it's like it's like it's an oddity or something.

1154
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:00,920
Right.

1155
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:01,920
Yeah.

1156
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,520
Like like like a bar trick.

1157
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,520
Yes.

1158
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,280
Like you can juggle we're wearing a bikini.

1159
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:07,280
It's like, OK, that's nice.

1160
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,280
They're not they're not speed cutting.

1161
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:11,280
Ten points to Gryffindor.

1162
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:12,280
Yeah, exactly.

1163
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,280
Yeah.

1164
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,720
So I've never seen him bring out a skateboard.

1165
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:18,280
Let's put it that way.

1166
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:19,280
You know.

1167
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:20,280
Yeah.

1168
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,760
Fucking doing ollies and flips and shit.

1169
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:23,760
Yeah.

1170
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:24,760
Yeah.

1171
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,160
So the other thing I came across in my research, I didn't go too deep into it because it was

1172
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,880
kind of a little more political and stuff.

1173
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,960
But I guess in the 70s, 1970s, that is, there was a slew of kind of legislations across

1174
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:42,280
the countries like France and America and stuff where they were trying to legalize sexualizing

1175
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:49,380
children, trying to say that if you didn't allow children to have sexual things happen

1176
00:55:49,380 --> 00:55:53,760
to them, I guess you were taking away part of their humanity or something.

1177
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,580
So I didn't look too much into that.

1178
00:55:55,580 --> 00:55:58,440
But I didn't know if you knew anything about that or heard heard anything about that.

1179
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,200
I have heard a little bit about it.

1180
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,840
And it's it's like the map kind of thing.

1181
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:04,840
It's icky.

1182
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,400
I don't want to look too much into it other than there's certainly nefarious reasons for

1183
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,820
some of these things.

1184
00:56:10,820 --> 00:56:18,520
There might be good actors, but I think that is I think that it's an excuse to do bad things.

1185
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,600
Basically, is that you know?

1186
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,480
Yeah, mostly by and large.

1187
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:23,480
Yeah.

1188
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:29,720
I think that, you know, I mean, it's it's we talked about age and majority and like

1189
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:35,480
tattoos and gender reassignment and piercings and other things.

1190
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:40,000
And we don't really have a consistent age and majority in America, which is confusing

1191
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,100
for everybody.

1192
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:42,100
It is confusing.

1193
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:47,560
And it's not I mean, it's hard to pick an age and say it because you're going to have

1194
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:53,040
scientific evidence on both sides of that, whatever number you pick, you know.

1195
00:56:53,040 --> 00:57:00,160
But if you put a hard number, then at least you can enforce rules in a way that's consistent

1196
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,600
across time and space.

1197
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,960
Yes, at least our time and our space where we have legal jurisdiction to enforce said

1198
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:06,960
rules.

1199
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:11,560
But well, this space being the continental, well, the American Empire, right?

1200
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:12,560
In time being.

1201
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:13,560
Yeah, yeah.

1202
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,320
You're not now magically committing a crime in the future or in the past.

1203
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:18,320
You know what I'm saying?

1204
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:19,760
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1205
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:20,760
Yeah.

1206
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,200
I didn't mean it in the sci fi way.

1207
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,200
No, I know.

1208
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,120
I was just we did mention Doctor Who.

1209
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:27,920
So I had to like clarify.

1210
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:28,920
Right.

1211
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:34,120
Well, Doctor Who, I mean, not to get on another Doctor Who tangent, but how can you have the

1212
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:40,240
doctor and then just like the actor playing the doctors, their personal identity is now

1213
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,960
just the character, you know, like that's their personality traits is just because you

1214
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:49,080
have an actor that has certain characteristics in their personal life.

1215
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,680
Like, no, that's not how it works.

1216
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:51,680
You're an actor.

1217
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,000
Like you pretend time you're pretending.

1218
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,760
Well, we've talked about this before, too.

1219
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:56,760
Yeah.

1220
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,320
Where people are upset, but it only depends on the movie.

1221
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:00,320
Right.

1222
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,600
So if you have a non homosexual person playing a homosexual character, people get upset.

1223
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:04,880
But then you have Bergman Mountain.

1224
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,360
Nobody's upset about that.

1225
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:12,120
So you know, I think when the when the rating quality drops so far, then you can get upset

1226
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:17,740
about things like this actor is not actually what they're portraying because everything

1227
00:58:17,740 --> 00:58:22,800
else is so bad, but you don't most people might not know that it's because the writing

1228
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,240
is terrible and then it's easy to jump on the bandwagon.

1229
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,880
Well, it's because they had a straight person playing a non straight person or whatever

1230
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:29,880
it might be.

1231
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:34,340
But that falls apart pretty quickly when you're like, you mean Mark Hamill couldn't actually

1232
00:58:34,340 --> 00:58:35,960
manipulate things with his mind?

1233
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:36,960
Unacceptable.

1234
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,840
Like, I'll never watch that movie again.

1235
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:44,120
Liam Neeson didn't time travel back to 1930s Germany and start a slave factory and then

1236
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,520
save a bunch of Jewish people from the Holocaust.

1237
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,240
Like, what do you mean?

1238
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,720
Yeah, like, yeah, what?

1239
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:50,720
What?

1240
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,920
Yeah, Tom Hanks didn't really have AIDS and die.

1241
00:58:52,920 --> 00:59:01,040
Yeah, or get lost on an island with a beach ball or whatever.

1242
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:07,000
Mel Gibson's wife really didn't get killed by a biker gang in, you know, post society

1243
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,000
Australia.

1244
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,040
Yeah.

1245
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,120
I refuse to watch this trash.

1246
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,520
Yeah, so I think where are you at with your stick, Mike?

1247
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:17,520
I am done.

1248
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:18,520
I am done.

1249
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:19,960
So I smoked it right to the better end.

1250
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,880
My fingers are my fingers are burning.

1251
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,500
I've been a little more talking, but I'm I'm just about to that point.

1252
00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:26,500
This one was good.

1253
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:27,500
I like this one.

1254
00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:28,500
It was consistent throughout.

1255
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:30,480
I didn't notice a change really.

1256
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,120
I didn't notice a change.

1257
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:33,320
That's not a bad thing.

1258
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:34,320
It's dark.

1259
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,320
No, I'm not saying it is a bad thing is dark.

1260
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:37,320
Yeah, it was consistent.

1261
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,320
It was a good size.

1262
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:40,320
Yes.

1263
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:41,320
Yep.

1264
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,240
I would consider it a robusto, but it's a smaller gauge robusto.

1265
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,360
Yeah, smaller gauge.

1266
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:47,640
Very nice smoke.

1267
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:48,640
Very nice smoke.

1268
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:49,640
I agree.

1269
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:50,640
Yes.

1270
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:56,440
So I don't know that we answered really any questions on grooming or indoctrination other

1271
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,140
than Drake readings.

1272
00:59:59,140 --> 01:00:00,140
Probably fine.

1273
01:00:00,140 --> 01:00:02,360
Drake shows fine for adults.

1274
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,760
Beauty pageants for kids never fine.

1275
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:05,800
No, no.

1276
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:13,800
Even the teenage beauty pageants is like, I get it, but at the same time, you're getting

1277
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,680
into questionable territory here.

1278
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,440
You know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1279
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:25,800
Maybe your local yokel beauty pageant that's like not professional and it's just like a

1280
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,460
girls event for a scholarship.

1281
01:00:28,460 --> 01:00:31,000
That could be fine, you know, potentially.

1282
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,000
Possibly.

1283
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,000
Possibly.

1284
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,000
You know.

1285
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:39,760
But do you really want Donald Trump involved with your teenage daughters?

1286
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:40,760
Like activities?

1287
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:41,760
Or Joe Biden?

1288
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:47,760
I mean, I know Trump actually ran and was head of beauty pageants, but.

1289
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:48,760
Yeah, right.

1290
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,880
That's why I mentioned him specifically.

1291
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:52,880
It's going to be.

1292
01:00:52,880 --> 01:01:00,160
Do you want a really old person, old man in charge of a child slash teenage beauty pageant?

1293
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,160
Probably not.

1294
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,160
Probably not.

1295
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:03,160
And I'm not making any accusations.

1296
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:07,800
We all know that Donald's predilection is towards, you know, 30 something Eastern European

1297
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:08,800
prostitutes.

1298
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,360
That's his flavor of the month.

1299
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:11,360
Yes.

1300
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:12,360
Yes.

1301
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:17,320
I'm not saying that he specifically did anything inappropriate, but you can imagine it could

1302
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:18,320
happen, right?

1303
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:19,320
Yeah, yeah.

1304
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:24,320
We're also not saying nothing inappropriate didn't happen, but whatever.

1305
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:25,320
Yeah.

1306
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:26,320
Whatever.

1307
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:27,320
I'm just saying he's not.

1308
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:28,320
We weren't there.

1309
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:29,320
Yeah, we don't know.

1310
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:30,320
Do you want Bill Clinton to be?

1311
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:31,320
He's not the stand up.

1312
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:37,040
Yeah, none of these people that would have the money to put on a child beauty pageant

1313
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,080
and give enough money to make people want to put their children in this.

1314
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:45,060
Don't have the moral fortitude to be the kind of person you want to put your child into

1315
01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:46,560
a beauty pageant that they're running.

1316
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:47,560
Yeah, pretty much.

1317
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:48,560
That's what I'm getting at.

1318
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:49,560
Yeah, something like that.

1319
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:50,560
That's what I'm getting at.

1320
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:59,320
Like I'm just saying that there's a spectrum between beauty pageant runner and strip club

1321
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,680
owner and they're not as different as you might think.

1322
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:07,080
They're not as far apart as you might think on the spectrum there.

1323
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:08,080
Right.

1324
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:12,200
Like clown and drag queen, pretty close.

1325
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:13,200
They're pretty similar.

1326
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:14,200
Yeah, yes, yes.

1327
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:20,560
Well, I think the thing is if you have kids and are thinking of bringing them to something,

1328
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,840
use your head, do the research beforehand.

1329
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,600
Is it a drag story or is it a drag show?

1330
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,920
And what's the story?

1331
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:29,920
That's the thing.

1332
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,480
What's the book they're reading?

1333
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,680
Are they reading a book that is blatantly inappropriate?

1334
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:39,360
Because if not, then I don't know, right?

1335
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,440
How are they going to make the Lorax inappropriate?

1336
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,960
I say the Lorax because I really like the Lorax, but green eggs and ham is green eggs

1337
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,760
and ham, no matter how you want to spin it.

1338
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:49,760
Speak for the trees.

1339
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:50,760
Exactly.

1340
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:51,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1341
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:56,680
If it's a kid's book, that's a kid's book, that's a classic kid's book, you're fine.

1342
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:01,360
If it's Timmy got his wee wee cut off and now he's called Tina, maybe he skips that

1343
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,360
one.

1344
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,400
Yeah, yes, pretty much.

1345
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:10,600
I've seen some pretty crazy Australian news about books aimed at children that describe

1346
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:11,600
sexual acts.

1347
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,160
And I'm like, is this even real?

1348
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,800
I get that disconnection from reality.

1349
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,320
How can this possibly be real?

1350
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:19,320
You know what I mean?

1351
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:20,720
Yeah, it's like, wait, is this from The Onion?

1352
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,400
Oh no, this is a real news story.

1353
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:29,000
Yeah, is this like a book that's actually for adults, but it's in the style of a children's

1354
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,000
novel?

1355
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,000
You know what I mean?

1356
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,000
Or a children's book?

1357
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,000
Because there are books like that.

1358
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,160
Yeah, and that's perfectly fine.

1359
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:38,160
That's great.

1360
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:39,560
I've enjoyed reading some of those.

1361
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,320
But you still have to do your due diligence.

1362
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,480
You can't just, oh, it looks like a kid's book, so it must be here.

1363
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:45,480
Right.

1364
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:46,480
There you go, go read it.

1365
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,600
What was the famous book, Gold Ifuck to Sleep?

1366
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,160
Yes, that one, yeah.

1367
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:56,120
The difference is like, I don't want those books censored, but as a parent, it's kind

1368
01:03:56,120 --> 01:04:00,880
of your responsibility to vet the things your child consumes.

1369
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,120
So that's on you.

1370
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,520
If you think your child can handle it, then your child hopefully can handle it.

1371
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:07,520
You know what I mean?

1372
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:12,720
There are certain things that aren't designed for children despite their appearance.

1373
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,600
Like Team America, World Police, it looks like fun puppets.

1374
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:16,600
Not for kids.

1375
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:17,600
Not for kids.

1376
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:18,600
South Park.

1377
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,600
Yes.

1378
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,240
Adult Swim.

1379
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,080
Pretty much all the Adult Swim shows.

1380
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,200
Yeah, pretty much anything that was ever shown on there.

1381
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:31,200
Probably not for kids.

1382
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:32,200
Yeah, yeah.

1383
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:33,920
Well, I just put mine out.

1384
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,480
I really liked it.

1385
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:36,480
Very good.

1386
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:37,480
Two thumbs up from me.

1387
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:38,480
Highly recommend.

1388
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:39,480
Yes, yes.

1389
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:40,640
Very good stick.

1390
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:41,640
Thanks for listening.

1391
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:42,640
Be safe.

1392
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:53,680
Fucking awesome.