1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,720 Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Mike. 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:06,720 And I'm Nate. 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,420 What are we smoking, Mike? 4 00:00:08,420 --> 00:00:12,220 We are smoking another Anika Rustica time. 5 00:00:12,220 --> 00:00:13,220 It is the Adobe. 6 00:00:13,220 --> 00:00:14,220 The Adobe. 7 00:00:14,220 --> 00:00:19,200 We failed to mention that last episode that we had a Robusto size. 8 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,200 This is another Robusto size. 9 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,400 Always assume that it's a Robusto unless we say otherwise. 10 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:24,400 I like Robustos. 11 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:25,400 Pretty much, yeah. 12 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:26,400 Yeah, I like Robustos. 13 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,680 It's a good bird time. 14 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:35,840 I think sometimes with the bigger sizes and longer sizes too, I feel it's a little trickier 15 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,200 to get those as good maybe? 16 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,640 Or am I just making things up in my head, Mike? 17 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:41,880 No, I would agree. 18 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,280 The bigger the stick, a lot of times towards the end of it, it starts to get sour. 19 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:50,000 And if you smoke them correctly, it could take two hours to smoke a big cigar. 20 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,120 And that's not the right length for the show. 21 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,880 No, we've done that for our finales though, our season finales. 22 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:58,640 We'll sometimes do a bigger cigar. 23 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,480 And I think, oh, hold on, Mike. 24 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:02,480 Hold on, Mike. 25 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:03,480 Ha. 26 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,600 I need to, we need to do some math here. 27 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:08,600 Why is that? 28 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,680 We have to, well, can you help me with some math, Mike? 29 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:12,680 Yes. 30 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:13,680 All right. 31 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,640 So I want, I want you should take 43. 32 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:17,640 Okay. 33 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,640 Remember 43. 34 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,640 And then I want you should take 38. 35 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,000 Yes. 36 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,680 And add those two together. 37 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:26,680 Okay. 38 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,680 And then I want you should add 15 to that. 39 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:31,680 Okay. 40 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,680 What number are we sitting at? 41 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:34,920 96. 42 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,280 So this is our 96th episode. 43 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:42,620 So we need to plan something special for our 100th episode of Nice Ashes, Mike. 44 00:01:42,620 --> 00:01:43,800 And you're the stick guy. 45 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:44,800 So. 46 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,800 I'm pretty sure we already have a nice stick. 47 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,040 We might have to have a special guest. 48 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,040 We might have to have a special guest. 49 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,680 I'm just saying we'll have to do something special for episode 100. 50 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,020 We're four episodes away. 51 00:01:55,020 --> 00:01:56,200 So that's your notice. 52 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,840 I'm putting you on notice. 53 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:58,840 Let's figure it out. 54 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,280 Not now, because we're recording obviously. 55 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:02,280 Hi listeners. 56 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:03,800 How are you? 57 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,200 Behind the scenes of Nice Ashes. 58 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:06,640 I wanted to make sure this wasn't it. 59 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,400 Because if it was, I, we'd talk about 100, I guess. 60 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:11,400 So sure. 61 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,360 Well, we, I'm sure that we'll have something nice in four episodes time. 62 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:16,360 Yes. 63 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,160 Future, future us will be awesome. 64 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:19,160 I am sure. 65 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,200 I am certain that it will be glorious and a pleasure for all. 66 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,200 Yes. 67 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,360 You like this Adobe up, huh? 68 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:27,360 Yeah. 69 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:28,360 Adobe, not abode. 70 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,200 I have to admit that I've already lit it and it's very good so far. 71 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,920 It's not acetone or anything bad like that. 72 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:37,380 No, I, I'm lit and it's good. 73 00:02:37,380 --> 00:02:42,280 It's lighter than the other one, which is weird because the other one was a Connecticut, 74 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,640 but it was a Connecticut broadleaf and so they can be dark. 75 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:48,040 I was expecting it to be lighter. 76 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,840 I'm not going to lie, but yeah, I was surprised and it was pleasant. 77 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:52,840 So not complaining. 78 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,400 Well, it was, it was funny because usually Mike will send me pictures of the cigars that 79 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:02,120 were smoking and I think he did, but that was, I don't know, maybe two months ago that 80 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,480 he sent me the next, like, once you were smoking and I couldn't scroll back through the text 81 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:07,560 that long. 82 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:14,880 And so he told me that the two, we were smoking the two Nica rusticas and I didn't pull the 83 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,320 right ones out and I sent him a picture and he was like, no, no. 84 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:19,960 So neither here nor there. 85 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:26,180 But I think what we'll do is I want to, I want to do some pictures of our show humidor's 86 00:03:26,180 --> 00:03:28,280 for maybe our Instagram account. 87 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,080 Nice ashes podcast on Instagram. 88 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,600 But I thought that might be kind of fun to see cause I have two humidor's just for the 89 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:39,340 show, the show cigars and then I have one for personal. 90 00:03:39,340 --> 00:03:41,880 So what, how many humidor's do you have for the show? 91 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:42,880 Mike? 92 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:49,880 I have two shoe box cigar style humidor's, but I also have show cigars in my big humidor, 93 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,760 humidifying right now. 94 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,320 We got some new ones and so I usually put those in the big humidor and let them level 95 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,080 off before I move them to the show humidor. 96 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,080 Yeah. 97 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,080 Yep. 98 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,360 Cause the bigger the humidor, obviously the easier it is to level everything off. 99 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:05,360 So, yeah. 100 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:10,440 And I got some of those, I don't know if we talked about this on the show yet, those blue 101 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:15,160 little plastic gel filled, I'm trying to remember the humicare or the humicare. 102 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:16,160 Yep. 103 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:17,160 Yes. 104 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:18,160 Yep. 105 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,040 And those are quite nice. 106 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:25,160 I like how thin they are and they don't leak after you fill them. 107 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,640 So I like them. 108 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:32,680 I have the cigar size and I have the thin flats and I like the thin flats cause you can 109 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,800 just put them right on top of your stack. 110 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,600 And if you have a multi-tier humidor, you can just put four of them in that big humidor 111 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:40,600 and you're good to go. 112 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,560 You know, you should be good for 200 cigars. 113 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,360 So, and they don't leak and you can tell right away if they need to be filled. 114 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:47,360 So I like them. 115 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,360 Yeah. 116 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,680 And each one of them will handle up to 50 cigars, I believe is what they say in the 117 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:53,680 literature. 118 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:54,680 Yep. 119 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,280 And they have some absorbing and releasing like a Poveyta pack does. 120 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:02,360 So it's not like the foam disc style that leak and yeah. 121 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,360 Yeah. 122 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,360 Yeah. 123 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,360 Yeah. 124 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,840 If you put two drops too many, then it's leaking and yes. 125 00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:14,000 Even in my big Savoy, they came with those foam humidor things and they leak like a sieve. 126 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,000 They're terrible. 127 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,000 I don't like them. 128 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,000 Yeah. 129 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,900 I kept them in though in mind just to give, because one of mine is a two tiered. 130 00:05:21,900 --> 00:05:25,760 So I kept the foam ones kind of in the bottom and I think I put one of the flat ones in 131 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,320 the bottom and a flat one in the top. 132 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,960 So yeah, there's a lot of cool things you can, cool technology you can use. 133 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,920 And I like those better than the Poveyta bags, even though the Poveyta bags are amazing, 134 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:41,880 but I like that these you can refill and use easier than I know you were repurposing or 135 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,600 refurbishing some of your Poveyta bags. 136 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:44,600 Yep. 137 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,440 I do re-report them occasionally and they do all right. 138 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,440 Obviously they don't get, they're not as good as brand new, but. 139 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:50,440 Yeah. 140 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:51,440 I mean, these humicure things are cheap. 141 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:52,820 They're like $5. 142 00:05:52,820 --> 00:05:53,820 So that's not bad. 143 00:05:53,820 --> 00:05:59,000 Well, they're well worth the investment just to keep your sticks nice and in good orderly 144 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,000 fashion. 145 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,000 So yes, yes. 146 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,000 Well, this is another Mike episode for all the listeners. 147 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,840 I'm sure you're tired of hearing me talk by now, but this is kind of a failed episode, 148 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:10,840 I'm going to say. 149 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:13,680 That's how I feel after I do a bunch of episodes that are row. 150 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,840 I'm like, God, I got to have an episode where I don't talk so much, but I guess I see it 151 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:20,000 more because I do the editing of them. 152 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,320 So I'm like, God, why am I talking so much? 153 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:23,320 Yep. 154 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:29,760 I, so I tried to do research on a topic and I hit a brick wall and I, so I have one half 155 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:36,200 of a show that I planned and the other half I couldn't find any information on. 156 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:41,320 So was it a brick in the Berlin wall or just a brick in a random wall? 157 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,320 Right. 158 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:47,640 Yeah, a brick in the wall, like from the album, I think. 159 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,120 We don't need no education. 160 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:51,880 That is what it is too. 161 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,240 So I was going to do research on Holocaust denial. 162 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:00,040 So we recently had Semha on and we talked about anti-Semitism. 163 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,360 So I was like, well, it's a perfect opportunity to kind of talk about these like crazy conspiracy 164 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:10,380 theories online that were very common 20 years ago, 15 years ago. 165 00:07:10,380 --> 00:07:14,160 Do you remember those wild times on the internet, Nate, where you could go, you couldn't help 166 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,200 but trip over Holocaust and I are online back then. 167 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:18,200 Yeah. 168 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:19,200 Yeah, I remember that. 169 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:20,200 Yeah. 170 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,200 Yeah. 171 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:22,200 It was crazy. 172 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,040 It was like a flatter theory is now except Holocaust denial. 173 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,040 Right. 174 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,040 Yeah. 175 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:33,360 So I was like, yeah, moon landing denying and there's all these things. 176 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,200 So I did the research that proved to the concentration camps were real. 177 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,200 Right. 178 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,800 Which I have and we'll discuss that. 179 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:48,760 But then I tried to find the deniers and I could not find anything. 180 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:54,000 Everything that came up was all these organizations bashing Holocaust deniers, but I couldn't 181 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,500 find any of the actual like conspiracy theory sites that used to be up and about. 182 00:07:59,500 --> 00:08:08,240 So once we get done with the information that supports the truth, right, which is well documented, 183 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,540 we're going to have to talk a little bit about censorship because it's really suspicious 184 00:08:12,540 --> 00:08:17,500 when you look for something and all you can say, all you can find is groups saying that 185 00:08:17,500 --> 00:08:20,200 people denying this topic are liars. 186 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,200 Right. 187 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,760 But you can't find any of the claims that liars are making and that's not healthy in 188 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:25,760 my opinion. 189 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,800 No, I mean, you know, we'll talk about this more when we get to the censorship portion, 190 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:37,380 right, Mike, but silencing opposing views, no matter how ridiculous, isn't a good thing. 191 00:08:37,380 --> 00:08:41,200 You're not saying denying the Holocaust is a good thing, but if there are people out 192 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:48,200 there that are denying it by silencing their voices, you're creating a vacuum, which is 193 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:53,780 in some cases as bad as believing the deniers, I guess, you know, you should be able to do 194 00:08:53,780 --> 00:08:58,460 your own research and the first amendment's pretty clear. 195 00:08:58,460 --> 00:09:02,360 It's not censorship by the government, it's censorship by corporations. 196 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:03,360 Let's be clear about that. 197 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:04,760 That is the government, Mike. 198 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,560 Let's be doubly clear, that is the government. 199 00:09:07,560 --> 00:09:11,520 It is the branch of the government that doesn't have to follow the Constitution, that's for 200 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:12,520 sure. 201 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,920 So yeah, we're going to get into that as well because yeah, the hidden fourth branch, 202 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:23,840 the sixth estate, right, the fourth estate being the media and the, right, like it's 203 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:24,840 wild. 204 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,880 So yeah, yeah, yeah. 205 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:32,120 Anyway, during the Great Depression, people became very isolationist and the Great Depression 206 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,080 is when the Holocaust began. 207 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:38,320 The rise of Hitler and fascism in Europe became very common. 208 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:43,800 Communism rose up and there was, some people would say a genocide in Russia as well. 209 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,400 I would tend to agree with that. 210 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,120 And the United States became extremely isolationist. 211 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:55,360 A lot of the reforms that we think of as FDRs reforms were a direct response to the political 212 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,960 stuff going on in Europe because people were very afraid that authoritarianism would rise 213 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:01,200 in America. 214 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,760 So we fought the war as we do, you know, one thing led to another as they say. 215 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:11,440 And by the spring of 1945, the Americans and the English were taking over, and the Soviet 216 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,240 Union were taking over mainland Germany. 217 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:22,320 And when they came in, the Allied forces found the concentration camps and it was a shock. 218 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:27,800 Omar Bradley and Patton toured some of the concentration camps and they informed Eisenhower 219 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,960 and Eisenhower toured and he couldn't believe it. 220 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,880 Now this is a fact and again, this is where the censorship comes in. 221 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:43,000 I could find no articles or papers written, which I've read before about how the main 222 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,000 governments were aware of the concentration camps and hid that information from their 223 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:54,140 frontline commanders because aerial photography and spy networks made the federal government, 224 00:10:54,140 --> 00:10:58,760 our federal government, aware of the concentration camp system and they hid it from Eisenhower 225 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:03,380 and his staff, which is why they were shocked to find the concentration camps to begin with. 226 00:11:03,380 --> 00:11:04,920 Have you heard about this before, Nate? 227 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,600 Yeah, I mean, I've heard that. 228 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:13,560 I mean, I've heard the story of them finding these camps and then sending word back. 229 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:14,560 Yes. 230 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:19,480 The problem is that the US government was aware, the federal government, not the army. 231 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:26,260 And again, I looked for scholarly articles talking about this fact and there was no information 232 00:11:26,260 --> 00:11:28,160 about it, none whatsoever. 233 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:34,360 And I also looked up, I tried to find articles about the US corporations that assisted Nazi 234 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,100 Germany and I couldn't find that either. 235 00:11:37,100 --> 00:11:45,200 So there is some censorship going on because I know that Ford Motor Corporation used slave 236 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:51,880 labor in Nazi Germany and IBM maintained the equipment at the concentration camps because 237 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,680 they had computerized systems. 238 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:59,040 And at that time, IBM did their own maintenance, so IBM was aware of what was going on. 239 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,280 Hugo Boss was a Nazi and was involved with that regime. 240 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:08,640 And there were a few other large fashion houses that were involved with the Nazis. 241 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:14,000 And all this information, I tried to look it up, I couldn't find any legitimate source 242 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,640 for things that we know are true. 243 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,560 It's like they buried, the search engines have buried that information because they 244 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:22,400 don't want people to think about it. 245 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:27,400 I looked up, I tried to look up some of the anti-Jewish Hollywood movies that were made, 246 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:28,400 couldn't find them. 247 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:34,200 And there were a lot of media from that time that was anti-Jewish and pro-Nazi and they 248 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,320 buried it. 249 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:40,320 They are burying it and it's because these large corporations that are still around now 250 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:45,160 don't want to be associated with the actions that those corporations took 100 years ago. 251 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,160 And it's sick. 252 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,960 It's sick that they're hiding the truth and I'm against it. 253 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,440 It's just as sick. 254 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:57,440 To me, that's even more sick than hiding the Holocaust and I are stuff, you know? 255 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,400 So it was very frustrating. 256 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,480 Very frustrating. 257 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,080 So here's a quote from Eisenhower about the Holocaust. 258 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,560 I have never felt able to describe my emotional reactions when I first came face to face with 259 00:13:09,560 --> 00:13:15,060 indisputable evidence of Nazi brutality and ruthless disregard of every shred of decency. 260 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:19,360 Up to that time, I had known about it only generally or through secondary sources. 261 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,720 I am certain, however, that I have never at any other time experienced an equal sense 262 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:24,960 of shock. 263 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:32,440 So the reason why we have images of the concentration camps and I do have a link, but for those 264 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:38,880 who want to see it and a lot of people probably have, the Eisenhower Library online has many 265 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:45,580 thousands of images that Eisenhower ordered taken of the concentration camps because he 266 00:13:45,580 --> 00:13:50,120 was so horrified that he knew that people in the future would deny the existence of 267 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:51,200 the camps. 268 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:57,840 So we can thank Eisenhower for this knowledge because he documented it extremely well and 269 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,240 ordered it to be documented. 270 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,960 Yeah, there's another one too, Mike. 271 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,360 Oh, I'm sorry. 272 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:08,400 I just wanted to mention that there's another one too that has Alfred Hitchcock attached 273 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:09,400 to it. 274 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:15,480 It's called the German Concentration Camps Factual Survey Film and it is a... 275 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,360 I think it's a British film institute or something that they sent. 276 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,960 It was ordered in April 1945 by the Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force. 277 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:31,660 It's an official documentary, Jesus, about German atrocities and the concentration camps 278 00:14:31,660 --> 00:14:36,400 and it was compiled by footage shot by combat and newsreel cameramen. 279 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:41,240 And Alfred Hitchcock was a treatment advisor for the end of it. 280 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,240 Okay. 281 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,840 So Supreme Allied Command was Eisenhower. 282 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:45,840 Okay. 283 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,680 And this one, I think they just restored and you can find it now out on YouTube and other 284 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,080 places as well to watch for free. 285 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,080 Okay. 286 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,080 Interesting. 287 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,080 I did not know that. 288 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:56,800 Probably gonna be something I should watch. 289 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,100 Just not something good to watch, but something to watch for sure. 290 00:15:00,100 --> 00:15:03,080 So there was an interview that I watched. 291 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:09,840 It was the YouTube Archive American Veterans Center and this guy was his 90 or so. 292 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:10,840 And this is his quote. 293 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,000 Eisenhower said to let as many people as possible see the concentration camps. 294 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,840 I went to Dachau, one of the oldest concentration camps. 295 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,240 I can't describe it. 296 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:20,560 Kids asked me to describe it. 297 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,000 You think everything you hate the smell of, everything. 298 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,260 And put it all together and you still don't have it. 299 00:15:25,260 --> 00:15:27,000 It was just something horrible to see. 300 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,260 Human beings dying there. 301 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:29,260 Nothing you can do about it. 302 00:15:29,260 --> 00:15:31,960 At first they were afraid because we had uniforms. 303 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,160 Germans had uniforms. 304 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,440 Once they figured out we were going to help them, they tried to smile, but they forgot 305 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:37,640 how to smile. 306 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:38,640 They prayed. 307 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,360 I should talk about it, but it bothers me still. 308 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:41,880 I used to dream about it. 309 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,440 It's so inhuman that you can't show it. 310 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:49,640 And that was a 90 year old soldier talking about it, experiencing it in 1945. 311 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:50,880 So it's pretty horrifying. 312 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:55,240 My grandfather fought in the war as a tanker, so he certainly had to have seen that shit. 313 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,160 And a lot of our grandfathers, our great grandfathers probably did as well. 314 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:00,160 Yeah. 315 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:06,000 Well, my grandfather was in the Navy, Merchant Marines, so I don't think he went and saw, 316 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,760 but he saw other things that were also plenty horrific, but probably not as horrific as 317 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:11,760 that. 318 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:12,760 Right. 319 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:13,760 Yeah. 320 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,280 My grandfather was a tanker out of California. 321 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,440 So he was in a California tank division. 322 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:19,440 So yeah. 323 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:26,200 Like I say, the horrors of the war were well documented, and the horrors of the Holocaust 324 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,880 are extremely well documented on purpose because they knew that people would say, oh, this 325 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,760 crazy event could not possibly happen. 326 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:33,760 People aren't that evil. 327 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,760 And clearly they weren't, right? 328 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,320 I don't want to laugh about that, but very clearly they were. 329 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:40,320 Yeah. 330 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,320 So there's a gentleman named the bookkeeper of Auschwitz. 331 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:44,320 Have you heard of this guy? 332 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:45,540 No, I have not. 333 00:16:45,540 --> 00:16:50,120 He was one of the last Nazis to be tried for human rights violations. 334 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:56,040 He outed himself when he was like 84 or 85 because, and this was really like 10 years 335 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:02,880 ago, he was in the SS and he was an accountant and he transferred out of Auschwitz in 44, 336 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:08,220 I want to say, into a SS commando division. 337 00:17:08,220 --> 00:17:15,140 So he wanted to get out and he outed himself because there was growing anti-Semitism in 338 00:17:15,140 --> 00:17:19,160 Germany and Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis. 339 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,240 And they were denying the Holocaust and he's like, oh no, no, no, no. 340 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:23,240 It was horrifying, right? 341 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:28,040 And this guy lived under an assumed name his whole life and he outed himself and he is 342 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:29,560 now in prison or he was in prison. 343 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:30,820 He might be dead now. 344 00:17:30,820 --> 00:17:35,960 And he put himself in prison because he didn't want people to deny what went on, right? 345 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:41,040 And he talked about how he had to work with IBM staff because all of their computer systems 346 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,880 were maintained by IBM. 347 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,300 So again, this was known. 348 00:17:46,300 --> 00:17:50,140 If IBM knows, the president of the United States has to know, right? 349 00:17:50,140 --> 00:17:51,140 You would think. 350 00:17:51,140 --> 00:17:52,140 Yeah, yeah. 351 00:17:52,140 --> 00:17:56,960 And the fact that they're trying to cover this up now, cover up the involvement of current 352 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,200 corporations in the atrocities is sickening to me. 353 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:02,680 I'm against it. 354 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:03,680 Yeah. 355 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:08,360 Obviously, people alive now are not directly responsible for what happened then. 356 00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:13,440 But the fact that they're trying to cover it up is to me speaks volumes in my opinion. 357 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,560 And again, this is a failed episode because what I really wanted to talk about was the 358 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,880 crazy claims that the Holocaust deniers made, which now from memory, it's like, oh, it was 359 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,080 only a million people. 360 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,240 Oh, it was only this many people. 361 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:31,040 And so I'm going to bring up some stats here because that's what we do here sometimes. 362 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,440 And these are the official numbers, official numbers of the German Holocaust. 363 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:44,400 Six million Jews, 4.5 million Soviets, 3.3 million Soviet POWs, 1.8 million Poles, 300,000 364 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:54,240 Serbs, 300,000 disabled people, 500,000 Gypsies, 80,000 Freemasons, 25,000 Slovaks, 15,000 365 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:59,800 Poles, 5,000 Spanish Republicans, and 2,000 Jehovah's Witnesses, not to include the Catholic 366 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,840 priests and things like that that they went around and killed. 367 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,600 So a lot of people, a lot of people. 368 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:06,840 Yeah, yeah. 369 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,400 Not exactly the happiest topic in the world, but obviously, right. 370 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,960 But like I say, I really wanted to talk about the Holocaust deniers. 371 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:19,240 And you just can't find information about what they're claiming. 372 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,700 I'm not going on the dark web to find content for this show. 373 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:27,880 So I don't know where it's hidden, but there's still these crazy fucks out there yapping 374 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:28,880 for sure, right? 375 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:29,880 They got to be. 376 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:30,880 They have to be. 377 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:36,160 Where, I mean, so who's, well, I guess if you can't find it, it's hard to tell who's 378 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,280 suppressing it or who's hiding it. 379 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:46,560 Are they hiding it themselves to avoid persecution or something, or are other people hiding it? 380 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:51,440 I can't imagine other, I mean, maybe other people are purging the web of it, I guess. 381 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:56,120 Google, I think, is banning it from their algorithms so people can't search it out. 382 00:19:56,120 --> 00:20:02,480 And I think a lot of web domains are not allowing access to their servers, and payment processors 383 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,200 are banning it as well. 384 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,880 So they're trying to defund them through the mechanisms of corporate America. 385 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:14,760 So they have to be on servers from countries that are outside of the American influence 386 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,220 of power, because it has to still be online. 387 00:20:17,220 --> 00:20:18,220 It just has to be. 388 00:20:18,220 --> 00:20:19,660 It's impossible for it not to be. 389 00:20:19,660 --> 00:20:20,960 I don't know where to find it. 390 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,160 I'm not involved with those circles. 391 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,520 It's just like anything else, right? 392 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:25,520 It's out there. 393 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,880 If you really want to find it, you could, but it would take more work than it's worth 394 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,160 for me to find it for the purposes of a show. 395 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:38,840 I wonder, yeah, I mean, I kind of wonder, like, are they one step ahead and they're 396 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:39,840 keeping their stuff up? 397 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:47,000 I know this isn't the same thing, but I know all the social media platforms, most of them, 398 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:53,560 I guess, have, I don't know if it's AI review, probably now it is, of any kind of sharing 399 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:59,680 of like child pornography that they'll then report directly to the police and stuff and 400 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:05,080 scrub from their servers and things like that, you know, to comply with those kind of laws. 401 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,280 It's not against the law to be a Holocaust denier, is it, Mike? 402 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,900 No, it is not. 403 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:10,900 So this is kind of- 404 00:21:10,900 --> 00:21:11,900 Not in the United States. 405 00:21:11,900 --> 00:21:14,160 In Germany, it is, but not in the United States. 406 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,160 Yeah. 407 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,600 In Germany, it's illegal to own any kind of Nazi paraphernalia, right? 408 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:20,600 Yes. 409 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:21,600 Yes, it is. 410 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,480 And they are destroying a lot of their history, which I'm against that too. 411 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:30,080 I mean, it's not a pleasant history, but if you destroy it, then that's a step away from 412 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,200 pretending it never happened. 413 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,200 And that's wrong. 414 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,200 Yeah. 415 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,620 And so with the, so let's bring it home real quick. 416 00:21:38,620 --> 00:21:45,360 So a lot of the Southern generals and things from the civil war and slave owners of that 417 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:50,000 era that had statues that have now, I think, all been torn down, were those all torn down 418 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,840 and destroyed or did they move them to a museum or something? 419 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:54,840 Some of them were torn down. 420 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,880 I can understand on one hand, right? 421 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:57,880 Okay. 422 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:03,960 Cause I can understand not displaying them like at the Capitol building or in a public 423 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,120 park and things like that. 424 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:13,840 But I think if you don't display them in a, let's say a museum or something, then people 425 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:20,080 can't learn from it, you know, because to talk about something as terrible as the civil 426 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:26,720 war and then a lot more terrible as the Holocaust to destroy a lot of that stuff, I don't know, 427 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:33,120 to me kind of like cheapens the survivors experiences maybe in the historical lens of 428 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:34,880 it, you know? 429 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,880 Because it's one thing to say, oh yeah, the two sides fought. 430 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,120 It's one thing to say, oh yeah, the Nazis did all this. 431 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:44,800 But it's another to say, well, not only did they do all this, but look at the monuments 432 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:50,880 they built, look at the statues they made, look at the propaganda pieces they put out, 433 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,040 look at the, you know what I mean? 434 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,840 Because that gets into understanding. 435 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,320 Yeah, go on, Mike. 436 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,400 Oh, I totally agree. 437 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:04,680 It does get into understanding the mindset that allowed those atrocities to occur. 438 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:10,280 More dangerously to us, it allows people to deny the truth and then there's no way to 439 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,280 refute. 440 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,920 If you destroy all the evidence, then there's no way to refute what they're saying with 441 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:16,920 the truth. 442 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,560 It's blatantly clear based on the evidence what happened. 443 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:26,620 But if you try to suppress the quote unquote opposition, now you are giving legitimacy 444 00:23:26,620 --> 00:23:27,720 to their argument. 445 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,240 You don't suppress, in a free society, you don't need to suppress bad ideas. 446 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,040 They will out themselves as being blatant lines. 447 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,460 It's not healthy to suppress bad ideas. 448 00:23:38,460 --> 00:23:43,980 It's good to let them be erred so that people who are not involved with that can have their 449 00:23:43,980 --> 00:23:49,760 thoughts corrected with the truth instead of being led down a path of crazy talk. 450 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,960 And related to the civil war. 451 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,640 Well, in the grand scheme you want- 452 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:53,640 There's so much info. 453 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,640 Go ahead, Nate. 454 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,880 Oh, you finish your civil war thought and then I'll say mine. 455 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:03,140 I was going to say in the context of the civil war, there's so much disinformation now with 456 00:24:03,140 --> 00:24:12,000 states' rights talk and the romanticization of the old South that if you were a white 457 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,720 supremacist you would want these statues to be destroyed so that in 50 years you can deny 458 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,200 they ever existed at all. 459 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,200 You can just say all that ever happened. 460 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,920 Yeah, and that it truly was the states' right thing. 461 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,220 Yeah, it truly was about states' rights. 462 00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:27,680 Even though in their own documents they say the thing that they're fighting about is 463 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,680 slavery. 464 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,440 And I've had that discussion with somebody not that long ago. 465 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,440 One of my family members, they're like, oh, it was about states' rights. 466 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:40,080 And I'm like, if you look at their declaration of war, they explicitly say it was to protect 467 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,680 slavery in the South. 468 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,680 So the people who started this conflict said it was about this thing. 469 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,620 But it's easy to hide that now because it's been so far in the past and there's so much 470 00:24:49,620 --> 00:24:56,580 covering up of all the nasty unpleasant things that went on after the fact that it's very 471 00:24:56,580 --> 00:24:58,680 convenient to be able to just deny it. 472 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:03,560 Yeah, I was going to say it's important to see all sides of an issue because it keeps 473 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:09,520 or should keep all sides honest or at least to the person doing the research or looking 474 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:16,120 into it will allow them to sift fact from fiction because even let's say, you know, 475 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:18,080 history is always written by the winner. 476 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:23,920 So it's always going to be slanted towards the winner being the good guys, which I think 477 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:29,400 in the Holocaust scenario, the winners were the good guys, you know, liberating the camps 478 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,320 and freeing the people. 479 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:37,020 But that doesn't mean that everything was done goodness related, you know what I mean? 480 00:25:37,020 --> 00:25:41,800 So it's important to have kind of all of those sides to look at and examine and then you 481 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,760 can see what's true and not true because things will back it up. 482 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,600 But if you start destroying or suppressing or hiding things, even if they don't agree 483 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:56,080 with what the accepted narrative is, then all you're left with is the accepted narrative 484 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:01,160 and who knows what the goal behind that is, not just for the Holocaust, but for all things. 485 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,560 Yeah, with all things. 486 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,920 And again, if you silence the opposition, then you're going to get a twisting of the 487 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,280 truth yet again, just in a different direction. 488 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:17,680 So it's important to have the flat earthers out there, if only to have a backdrop to show 489 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,760 real evidence against, right? 490 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:20,760 Yeah. 491 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:27,640 And it's like, I really enjoy some of those YouTube videos where they will debunk the 492 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:34,880 flat earthers claims using like, usually just average common household things. 493 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:40,560 So you can go do the experiment yourself in your own backyard to, you know, disprove the 494 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,160 flat earthers theory on this, that or the other thing. 495 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,160 Right. 496 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,180 Then that's, it's kind of like anything else. 497 00:26:46,180 --> 00:26:51,560 People want to deny the moon landing, people want to deny certain other facts. 498 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,240 People like to claim that there's cryptids out there, which is a potential future episode 499 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,840 that we're going to cover because I love cryptid talk. 500 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,240 I enjoy it. 501 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,500 But I find it to be darkly humorous. 502 00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:08,160 Some of this stuff, not that it's necessarily appropriate to find it darkly humorous, but 503 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,560 especially when it's something as crazy as flat earth theory, I find that to be darkly 504 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,160 humorous, for sure. 505 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,420 I get a kick out of it. 506 00:27:15,420 --> 00:27:16,420 That's hilarious. 507 00:27:16,420 --> 00:27:17,420 Yeah. 508 00:27:17,420 --> 00:27:22,480 And I also like the teenage boy talk where they call each other names. 509 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,480 Okay. 510 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,480 Yeah. 511 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:31,760 Going back to our MKUltra Manson episode and things like that where some of this stuff 512 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:37,880 has been proven to be like a Psi-Op done by the United States government or, you know, 513 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:43,320 an actual experiment with drugs and other things and trying to shape a narrative around 514 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,680 things that are happening. 515 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:52,680 So this is going to sound a little conspiracy-esque, I guess, but what's to say that there's some 516 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:59,520 bigger goal that hiding this kind of stuff or purging this stuff isn't accomplishing 517 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,080 for whomever is doing it? 518 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:08,040 I mean, it could just be that the Holocaust deniers move to private servers to avoid altercations 519 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,720 online or in real life. 520 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,000 I know there's a lot of websites out there that do less than desirable things in the 521 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:21,480 eyes of the law that are invite-only and they're private servers that nobody else can access 522 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,400 without a username password and being granted access. 523 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,440 There are some servers out there, some sites out there that you can't even ask, you can't 524 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,440 ask for an invite. 525 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,280 It will just find you if you are the kind of person that the site is trying to attract. 526 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,280 You know what I mean? 527 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,280 Yes, I do. 528 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,280 Yes, I do. 529 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,600 But definitely could be that, it could be that. 530 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,240 It could also be some big operation. 531 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,240 It could be that. 532 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,120 I don't think it's a big operation. 533 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,720 I think it's the tech companies think that the people at the tech companies think they 534 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,080 know best and they're against a free and open internet. 535 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,760 So they don't want you to find this misinformation. 536 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,760 As they've proven. 537 00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,760 It is misinformation. 538 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:00,760 It's lies. 539 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,760 Right, exactly. 540 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:07,320 I mean, it's known that they do this with other topics and it's not against the law 541 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,800 to have crazy thoughts and beliefs. 542 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,400 No matter how nonsensical they are or immoral or disgusting or whatever. 543 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,200 Yes, it's against the law to act on them on non-willing participants. 544 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,880 But to have thoughts is not against the law. 545 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,360 No, that's thought crime. 546 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,920 And read 1984 again. 547 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,680 Make your, pick your side. 548 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,360 Like are we for or against thought crime? 549 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,360 I'm against it. 550 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,440 I think people should be allowed to think and pretty much do whatever they want as long 551 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,240 as they don't hurt anybody else. 552 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,280 It doesn't hurt anybody to think crazy things about historical events. 553 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,920 I've listened to hours of lectures. 554 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,600 I mean, forrest got made a lot of money by doing that. 555 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,600 Right. 556 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,480 I mean, Oliver North has a fucking TV show. 557 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,520 So if that guy can have a TV show. 558 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,600 Man, the crusades are wild. 559 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,040 I read a book about the crusades because I really wanted to learn more, but it was very 560 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:03,040 hard for me to follow because the crusades, it wasn't like a one time thing. 561 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,520 There have been multiple, multiple, multiple crusades throughout the centuries. 562 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:12,680 So this book kind of went through all of them and I was like, what, you know, and I just, 563 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,640 I didn't have enough background information on all the stuff to be able to process all 564 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,940 the crusades. 565 00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:21,040 So that was wild, wild times. 566 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,360 But you know, when you were, I, we were talking about the crusades were like, oh yeah, that's, 567 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,920 you know, Robin Hood went and was on the crusades and then, you know, came back and blah, blah, 568 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,080 blah, or Richard the Lionheart or whatever, whatever it is from the Robin Hood movies 569 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,080 and stuff. 570 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,680 But I mean, that's like the general population's kind of understanding of the crusades. 571 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,800 But if you do a little bit more research, it's like, there were a lot of crusades. 572 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:42,800 There were a lot of crusades. 573 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:48,400 And I mean, the prevailing theory that I follow with it was that it was largely about stealing 574 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:55,260 money, stealing wealth, controlling trade routes and a blow off valve for warring factions 575 00:30:55,260 --> 00:31:00,760 in Europe because there were many, many very costly wars in Europe. 576 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,960 And the powers that be thought it was a better use of their resources to go and take over 577 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:10,120 trade routes in the Middle East and then use any excuse they could to legitimize it, which 578 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:15,600 is part of the reason why the crusaders would attack Christian towns and take them over. 579 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:16,600 Very similar. 580 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,600 Yeah. 581 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:18,600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 582 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,180 I mean, the crusaders took Constantinople. 583 00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:21,960 That wasn't an accident, right? 584 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,040 Which the Byzantines were involved in the crusades, but they got attacked by their quote 585 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,760 unquote allies because they had money. 586 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,200 It was about stealing gold. 587 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,200 Yeah. 588 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:37,620 It's strange all these heretics were trying to purge are in the richest towns and countries 589 00:31:37,620 --> 00:31:39,240 and cities. 590 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,240 Strange how that worked out. 591 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,240 Yeah. 592 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,860 It's just a coincidence that it was just the major trade route for all the goods that they 593 00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:45,860 wanted to buy. 594 00:31:45,860 --> 00:31:46,860 Yeah. 595 00:31:46,860 --> 00:31:51,400 The hotbed of the heretics is just happens to be the big trade route. 596 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,200 It's a coincidence. 597 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,200 It's a coincidence. 598 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,200 Yeah. 599 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,840 A welcome one, to be sure. 600 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:58,840 So oh, yeah. 601 00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,840 Oh, yeah. 602 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:00,840 A happy coincidence. 603 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,840 It's like Bob Ross. 604 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:03,840 Yes. 605 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,440 We're going to paint some happy little trees here in Auschwitz. 606 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,440 Right. 607 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,960 My aunt went to one of the concentration camps. 608 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,240 Now I can't remember which one. 609 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,220 She said it was pretty scary, pretty eerie to go there, which she's not. 610 00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:23,480 My aunt is not particularly prone to magical thinking, but she definitely had some magical 611 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,760 thinking when she was there. 612 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:25,760 Yeah. 613 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:26,760 Yeah. 614 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,720 My parents went, I think after college and they told me a little bit about it. 615 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,880 So a life changing visit. 616 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:34,880 Right. 617 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,200 I don't know about life changing, but definitely impactful. 618 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,840 I would like to go. 619 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:41,840 Yes. 620 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,040 I don't know. 621 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,600 Have you seen those kids that went and they were like dancing on the, doing like a TikTok 622 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:54,240 dance like at Auschwitz or Dachau or something like that, or like walking across the tombs 623 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,240 or something? 624 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,240 I don't know. 625 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,240 Well, yeah. 626 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,640 I mean, don't put anything past teenagers, I guess, and I tied pods and everything else, 627 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,200 but I would like to go and see it. 628 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,240 I don't think I would like being there. 629 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,240 You know what I mean? 630 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,640 But I think it's one of those kind of important things. 631 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,640 Yeah. 632 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,800 If I have the ability one day, I would like to go. 633 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,080 I'm sorry guys that I only got you half an episode, but that was kind of the point. 634 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,880 It's like censoring the opposition is never a good thing. 635 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:19,880 It's just not. 636 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:20,880 Yeah. 637 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,720 Because you can't get a balanced take on it. 638 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,200 When we did the conspiracy episode, we could find the videos of the guy that believed if 639 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,760 you swallow gum every seven years. 640 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:33,760 I mean, you could find that. 641 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,360 You could find that video and you could watch it and you could look at it and you could 642 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:42,360 do your own research or you could see how passionately he believed it and kind of how 643 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,480 crazy it sounded. 644 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:51,400 And if you don't have that, it's hard to refute or hard to critically think about things if 645 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,480 you don't also have. 646 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,340 I mean, that's like writing essays in school and college. 647 00:33:57,340 --> 00:33:59,840 That's like writing an essay 101, like basics. 648 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:06,440 You have to include a section of the opposing viewpoint for it to be a good essay, right? 649 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,440 Yes. 650 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,440 At least it used to be. 651 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,520 Maybe that'll be our... 652 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,680 That'll be a new topic for one of our episodes. 653 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,240 Oh, I was going to say that Holocaust denial is firmly in the camp. 654 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:19,720 Well, that'll be like a talk versus truth. 655 00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:20,720 Oh, sure. 656 00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:24,720 We were taught having the opposing viewpoint was good, but that's not the truth anymore. 657 00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:27,640 So anyway, go on with your Holocaust denial, Mike. 658 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:28,640 Oh, yeah. 659 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:29,640 Not mine. 660 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,960 I was going to say that's definitely in the camp of a conspiracy theory that is negative, 661 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:40,280 but having a negative conspiracy theory isn't inherently a bad thing. 662 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:46,360 It's a good thing to teach people about to make them aware of how crazy the world is 663 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:47,760 sometimes, right? 664 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,520 Not everything in the world is good. 665 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,960 And sometimes bad things can be made worse through nonsense talk, for sure. 666 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,960 Yeah. 667 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:56,960 And there's always... 668 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,580 So there's always the risk that if you allow the Holocaust deniers a platform, let's say, 669 00:35:01,580 --> 00:35:10,360 to spread their message, that they will ensnare and grow their numbers and grow their membership. 670 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,600 And that's always the concern, I think, right? 671 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:14,600 Yeah. 672 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:15,600 I think that's the rationale. 673 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:16,600 I disagree with it, but that is the rationale. 674 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,200 Or the guys behind censoring it. 675 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,200 Well, yeah. 676 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,200 But I don't know if that's true. 677 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:28,800 I don't know that Flat Earthers sharing their ideas of the Flat Earth are drawing more Flat 678 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,040 Earth followers, or if they're just making themselves look more ridiculous, or if they 679 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,040 just happen... 680 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,560 I mean, it's strange because we do have the internet now and you can talk to people all 681 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,880 over the world. 682 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,940 So are there really more Flat Earthers now than there were 30 years ago, or are they 683 00:35:43,940 --> 00:35:46,160 just able to be more vocal? 684 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,960 Because more people can see what they're saying, but they've turned into a joke. 685 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,480 Like it's a meme joke. 686 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,500 It's a big societal joke. 687 00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:58,920 Not for the Flat Earth people, but for people that aren't Flat Earthers, they're like, 688 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,200 well, thank goodness I'm not a Flat Earther, or something like that. 689 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:08,480 So I think it opens these conspiracy theories up to way more criticism to allow them to 690 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,280 speak and be heard. 691 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,880 And somebody that is a Flat Earther is always going to be a Flat Earther regardless of if 692 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,080 they can see Flat Earth information or not. 693 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,540 So they can't possibly be recruiting people, can they? 694 00:36:21,540 --> 00:36:25,760 They could be recruiting people, but they're recruiting people who are idiots and they're 695 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,840 susceptible to ideas that are unwise. 696 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:31,840 So they're not winners anyway. 697 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,760 It's the same as the scammers, you know, the Nigerian prince. 698 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,760 Yeah. 699 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:37,760 Right. 700 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,960 You're not going to convince somebody who is an intellectual person who considers all 701 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,320 the options. 702 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,600 Having the Flat Earth out there does help people who are thinking about the world. 703 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,040 Also it's highly entertaining. 704 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,680 Specifically the Flat Earth is highly entertaining to me. 705 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,400 The great Antarctic ice wall is just one of the best copes I've ever heard in my entire 706 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,400 life. 707 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,320 Especially since like if you have a certain amount of training, you can get a job on Antarctica. 708 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,320 It is a possibility. 709 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,320 Yeah. 710 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,980 You could be a tradesman and get a job working there to maintain those systems. 711 00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:11,800 They hire every year. 712 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,840 So it's not impossible to at least apply for a job. 713 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,840 To keep the wall powered up. 714 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:17,840 Right. 715 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,840 I have videos of the Antarctic station and shit. 716 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,840 Like it's there. 717 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,980 There's YouTube videos of people living there, working there. 718 00:37:27,980 --> 00:37:30,240 They don't live there permanently obviously, but yeah. 719 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:31,240 Yeah. 720 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:36,960 So one of the best things I've seen is, yep, all the planets in our solar system are round 721 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,600 except Earth. 722 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,560 It's the only flat one, you know, like to some extent you have to follow the natural 723 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,720 order of things. 724 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:47,040 Like every celestial body is round or roundish. 725 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,040 You know what I mean? 726 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:53,040 And the Earth is the only one that's flat or like the dinosaur extinction. 727 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:58,040 Like the comet hit, the comet hit like the edge of the flat Earth and it flung the dinosaurs 728 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,040 off into space. 729 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,200 I've never heard that one. 730 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,200 That's great. 731 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,200 Okay. 732 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,200 Oh, it's hilarious. 733 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,200 That's great. 734 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,200 Flung them into space. 735 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,200 Yes. 736 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,200 I love it. 737 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,200 Yes. 738 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,200 Heated them right into space. 739 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:21,880 Oh man. 740 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:27,200 My favorite flat Earth theory is that it's biblical and they call the sky the firmament 741 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:33,200 and they use all this, they try to use the Bible language as scientific backing and then 742 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,000 they say, oh, it's all an illusion. 743 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,200 The stars and everything else is an illusion. 744 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,200 It's the firmament and we're stuck in the firmament like stuck in jail. 745 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 746 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,200 I thought that was the best. 747 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,360 And then usually people follow that up with talking about the Stargate system from Stargate 748 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,360 SG-1 or whatever. 749 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,640 Oh sure, yeah. 750 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,040 The historical documents like Galaxy Quest, right? 751 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,320 When the aliens are like, oh, the historical documents. 752 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,080 They're just watching reruns of the show. 753 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,080 Yes. 754 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,080 Yeah. 755 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,080 I love it. 756 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,640 As everybody who's listening knows, I'm a big fan of conspiracy theories. 757 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,780 I think they're hilarious. 758 00:39:09,780 --> 00:39:13,000 Yes, they're true obviously, which is very interesting. 759 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:19,360 But the best way to not allow fools to believe in crazy conspiracy theories is to allow that 760 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,420 information to be disseminated so that it can be debunked with actual facts. 761 00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:29,200 And hiding the conspiracy theory does you no favors when you try to debunk it. 762 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,200 So. 763 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,200 Yep. 764 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,640 Well, and going back to your censorship, Mike, this one goes back to, this one is related 765 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:36,640 to the Holocaust. 766 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:42,040 And I know they've banned lots of books and they banned books in cycles, kind of. 767 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,560 But the banned books are predominantly for schools, correct? 768 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:47,560 Yes. 769 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,400 Schools and some library systems will ban them. 770 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,880 And Amazon bans books too. 771 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,840 So you can't buy them on Amazon. 772 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:54,840 Oh, interesting. 773 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:55,840 I didn't know that. 774 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:56,840 Oh yes. 775 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:04,560 I know a few years ago, this is a fairly recent one, they banned the graphic novel, Mao, M-A-U-S. 776 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:10,560 It's an anthropomorphic mouse in a concentration camp. 777 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,260 And they banned it. 778 00:40:12,260 --> 00:40:15,560 And so I ordered it from, I think from eBay, like right away. 779 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,960 I'm like, they're going to ban it, I'll order it. 780 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,400 I haven't read it yet, but I think the reason they banned it was it was uncomfortable for 781 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,040 children, which again, I mean, it kind of depends on the age. 782 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:33,600 Like I'm not going to necessarily have a conversation about the Holocaust with my three, almost 783 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:34,960 four year old. 784 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:40,240 But I think if you're of school age and you hear about and learn about World War II, there's 785 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:43,280 not really a reason you should be banning a book about it. 786 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,280 By middle school, certainly. 787 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,840 We maybe just don't assign it in class, but you know what I mean? 788 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:48,840 Right. 789 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,680 I mean, we sort of learned about the Holocaust in sixth grade, I think. 790 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:52,680 Primary serves. 791 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:53,680 Yeah. 792 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,720 I mean, history is not supposed to be comfortable. 793 00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:56,760 Nobody said that. 794 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,360 Nobody said that about history, did they? 795 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,840 No, it's not a bedtime story. 796 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:02,840 No. 797 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,920 I'm going to go with the arctic because I'm over halfway. 798 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,160 Yeah, I am almost. 799 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,160 Yeah, me too. 800 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,520 I'm almost to the rap the rapper here. 801 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,560 OK, this is good. 802 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:12,980 It's mild. 803 00:41:12,980 --> 00:41:13,980 It's good. 804 00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:14,980 I think medium bodied. 805 00:41:14,980 --> 00:41:15,980 It's mild. 806 00:41:15,980 --> 00:41:16,980 Not bad. 807 00:41:16,980 --> 00:41:17,980 Not bad. 808 00:41:17,980 --> 00:41:18,980 And it's not very pleasant. 809 00:41:18,980 --> 00:41:19,980 I don't know. 810 00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:23,040 The other one, the Connecticut, Connecticut broadleaf was better, I think. 811 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,060 I like that one better so far. 812 00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:26,440 But this one's good. 813 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,440 It's kind of about this. 814 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,960 I mean, it's similar in the sense that it's not overly complex, but it's good. 815 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,960 It's solid. 816 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:38,280 Yeah, it's it's a good cigar to give somebody who wants to try a cigar for the first time. 817 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,280 This particular one. 818 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,800 Yeah, nice medium, little spicy, pleasant. 819 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:42,960 I would agree with that. 820 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,520 Yeah, no acetone start. 821 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,520 So it's not intimidating. 822 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,520 Yep. 823 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,520 Yep. 824 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:48,520 Good start. 825 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,520 Good through got good airflow. 826 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:50,840 Nothing bad to say about it. 827 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,000 No, I have nothing bad to say about it at all. 828 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,560 It'd be good with a cup of coffee. 829 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,560 Yeah. 830 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:56,560 Yeah, it would be. 831 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:01,040 So other censorship stuff, Mike, I don't know if you've noticed this or heard anything about 832 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:07,560 this, but this kind of this kind of goes back and I don't know if this is truly fully full 833 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,240 on censorship, but I suppose it is. 834 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:10,480 I suppose so. 835 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,080 A lot of Disney movies. 836 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,080 Well, we did Song of the South. 837 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:19,640 But if you're if you're looking or thinking about, let's just say Peter Pan and even even 838 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,920 Aristocats, Disney hasn't been censoring their movies, but they'll put a disclaimer at the 839 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:30,680 beginning saying that some scenes in this film embody a viewpoint from a past time and 840 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,360 we can learn from it, blah, blah, blah. 841 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:41,320 But I guess some studios have been known to alter films on streaming platforms to the 842 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,960 point where maybe you can't even find the original version of the film anymore. 843 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,960 Have you heard anything about that? 844 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,280 I know that Disney's been putting disclaimers up, which is fine. 845 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,680 Like that's appropriate. 846 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:53,680 That's fine. 847 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,440 I think that's perfectly acceptable. 848 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,880 I heard that they were going to put a disclaimer at the front of Gone with the Wind, which 849 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:00,880 is fine. 850 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:01,880 That's cool. 851 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:02,880 Don't edit it. 852 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,880 That's fine. 853 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:04,880 But it's fine. 854 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:05,880 No. 855 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:06,880 Yeah. 856 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:07,880 But I guess so. 857 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,720 And I'll watch movies on Tubi from time to time. 858 00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:10,720 It's free. 859 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:11,940 You know, you get a couple ads. 860 00:43:11,940 --> 00:43:12,940 No big deal. 861 00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:17,380 And so somebody told me I was having a conversation with somebody about a lot of different films 862 00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:22,200 and they were saying, oh, well, Tubi's censoring and editing their films that they put up and 863 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,920 they were bought by a big Christian conglomerate. 864 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,960 And I'm like, why would a Christian conglomerate want to buy Tubi where they show a lot of, 865 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,000 you know, B films that are nothing but naked women running around and blood and gore and 866 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,000 stuff like that? 867 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,640 All things that you would think Christians would not want to be. 868 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:41,080 And so I was looking it up and I found what I found, and I don't know if it's true, a 869 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:47,000 hundred percent or not, is that the studios that are giving these films to Tubi to contractual 870 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,240 deals, whatever, what have you, for their platform are a lot of times giving Tubi an 871 00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:56,320 edited or censored version of the film, but not disclosing that it's been edited. 872 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:57,320 Really? 873 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,880 So what are the editing out? 874 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:04,880 It's, I don't know, in some cases it's gore or nudity or sometimes they're blurring the 875 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,720 nudity for these films that are already rated R, I guess. 876 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:12,280 I haven't noticed one because a lot of them are just, you know, like shitty movies from 877 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,280 the eighties, right? 878 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,720 And how would I know if it's edited? 879 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:21,520 They're running away from a man in a spider suit, you know, like it's not top of the line 880 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:27,400 cinema stuff, but it raises a very interesting question because now most people consume media 881 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,000 on a streaming platform. 882 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:35,880 And so how easy is it to say, well, and let's just say James Cameron did this for Titanic. 883 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,320 He was told that the stars were wrong in the sinking scene of the Titanic and he went back 884 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,320 and fixed it. 885 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,940 And that's not really censorship or editing. 886 00:44:43,940 --> 00:44:45,480 That's fixing, right? 887 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:51,400 And he did that for the special edition of Titanic years ago now, but, and I think all 888 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,360 streaming versions now are that. 889 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,360 And it's kind of the same as, I mean, it can be the same as the special edition of the 890 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:04,880 original Star Wars trilogy, where you can't find a theatrical version in say 4k or 1080 891 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:05,880 anywhere. 892 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:11,400 It's all the stuff George wanted in there in the remastered or the special editions. 893 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,660 But it raises a very interesting point because all of these films exist now on streaming 894 00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:16,960 and that's where people watch them. 895 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:23,920 So what's to stop these studios from changing bits of their film going forward without even 896 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,040 having to disclose it. 897 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:30,600 I mean, it's a different medium than a book, even though some people will do eBooks, but 898 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:36,480 so you could theoretically have an eBook that's changed from the original version, but film, 899 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,200 you know, you could, you could potentially drastically change things that are classic 900 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,200 films. 901 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,200 Yeah, you could. 902 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:49,160 And that was edited by Tolkien after its first release to add more description of Gollum. 903 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,640 He added more, he added in more, he didn't take away. 904 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,080 He added in more descriptors because people were confused about what Gollum was supposed 905 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,240 to look like and he wanted Gollum to look a very certain way. 906 00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:03,520 So he took his criticism and added in a little more description, which is fine. 907 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,520 Yeah. 908 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,120 And I would say in the case of that, that's the author, the original author doing it. 909 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,920 James Cameron was the original director changing the stars and George Lucas was the original 910 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,600 director creator of Star Wars. 911 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,280 So that's less problematic to me in the grand scheme. 912 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,800 We live in a, we live in a very sensorious time right now. 913 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:24,800 It's a strange time. 914 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,680 We live in a very sensorious time and a lot of those 80 slashers movies, I can see why 915 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:35,720 movie studios would not want to be associated with that style of movie anymore, I guess, 916 00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:37,000 but they're fun. 917 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:42,520 I mean, the tits and the gore was part of the spectacle of the crappy slasher movie. 918 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:43,520 You know what I mean? 919 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:44,520 Yeah. 920 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,520 Yeah. 921 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:46,520 I mean, that's part of the joy. 922 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:47,520 You know what I mean? 923 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,120 It raises a concern. 924 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,120 Yeah. 925 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,120 I agree. 926 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,120 I mean, I'm against it. 927 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,480 There's so much of this stuff that's streaming and subscription based. 928 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,480 Yeah. 929 00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,560 Just as it's the right of the school districts to ban books and stuff of that nature, I suppose. 930 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,040 It's the right of the government to censor anything that they want to, but that doesn't 931 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,880 mean it's the right thing to do. 932 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:06,880 I agree. 933 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,280 I don't think it's the right thing to do, especially because it's specifically like 934 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,320 a slasher movie. 935 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,320 That's what they are. 936 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,200 That's the point of the movie. 937 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,920 It's supposed to be some stupid blade. 938 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:16,920 Yeah. 939 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,680 I'm not overly concerned with the B movie slasher flick. 940 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:25,840 I'm not overly concerned with that, but if you're... I don't know. 941 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,640 A lot of these classic movies are getting restorations and sometimes they'll put... I 942 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:35,480 mean, I've got the Blu-ray of Blade Runner that's got five different versions of Blade 943 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,560 Runner, like five different cuts. 944 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,040 But it very clearly tells you what each cut is. 945 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,680 This is the director's cut, which wasn't sanctioned by the director. 946 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,660 This is the definitive cut that was sanctioned by the director. 947 00:47:47,660 --> 00:47:49,360 This is the international version. 948 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,040 This is the theatrical version. 949 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,560 So it makes it nice. 950 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,040 You can see all the different cuts. 951 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,280 You can watch the different cuts. 952 00:47:55,280 --> 00:48:00,640 You can figure it all out, but that's on a physical product that I have purchased. 953 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:06,240 And a lot of these streaming and subscription services, even for let's say eBooks or audio 954 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:11,800 books or whatever else, there's really nothing to stop these companies from just changing 955 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,640 things they don't like, really. 956 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,040 I mean, in the grand scheme of it. 957 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,040 And there is no really ownership of media anymore. 958 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:26,480 The companies want to separate the consumer from owning the product as much as they can. 959 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:35,000 So it opens up kind of a tricky situation with changes that some might call censorship 960 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,120 or editing or... 961 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,000 What if readers digest, right? 962 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,920 They put out all these abridged versions of books. 963 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:44,920 And I'm against that. 964 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:45,920 No. 965 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,040 Like if you're going to read the book, read the full book. 966 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,320 Don't read an abridged version, you know? 967 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,160 But there's a market for it, I guess. 968 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,680 There is a market for it. 969 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,680 Certain people are very comfortable censoring the opposition. 970 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,240 Right now, it happens to be the... 971 00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:06,160 What we would call liberals in the past has been conservatives, I'm sure it will turn 972 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,640 again in the future. 973 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:12,520 I try to be anti-censorship in general, no matter who's doing it or what it's for. 974 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:13,520 Yeah. 975 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,440 I guess I don't mind having... 976 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:22,720 Well, and I'm hugely against the clean versions of explicit albums as well. 977 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:27,680 But that being said, and I think this is true of most of the things, is if you will tell 978 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:35,280 me if what I'm consuming has been edited in any way, shape or form from the original vision 979 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,480 of the creator, then I'm okay. 980 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,480 As long as you're disclosing that it's changed so that I know to not consume it and I'll 981 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,920 go find the one that's not edited. 982 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,280 I think it's the disclosure bit that really is the sticking point for me. 983 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,280 I agree. 984 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,280 I agree. 985 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,160 I'm actually going to look up the Aristocats controversial scene. 986 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,080 Yeah, the Aristocats I think is the depiction of the Chinese cat. 987 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,560 Yes, it is. 988 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,120 And that movie was made in 1970, which is pretty wild that they had that sort of stuff 989 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,120 in 1970. 990 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,120 Yeah. 991 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:11,280 Peter Pan is the scenes with the Native Americans and their song, which I never thought about 992 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,280 as a kid, but I bought... 993 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,280 Yeah, the What Makes the Red Man Red. 994 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,280 Yes. 995 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:19,200 I bought that movie, oh, 10 years ago when I got released on the Diamond Edition or whatever. 996 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,520 I wanted to watch it again. 997 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:22,840 That shocked me when I bought it. 998 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,040 I was like, holy shit. 999 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,040 I can't believe I didn't notice this as a kid. 1000 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,160 It was pretty shocking to be honest with you. 1001 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:35,000 Well, it's shocking, but the intent of... 1002 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,380 It's an offensive song. 1003 00:50:36,380 --> 00:50:37,600 Don't get me wrong. 1004 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:46,600 But it's kind of like it's a little like charming little story if you look at it, but it's offensive, 1005 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:47,600 right? 1006 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,240 But it's like, what makes the Red Man Red? 1007 00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:52,320 A beautiful woman makes him blush or something. 1008 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,800 It's not really terrible, I don't think. 1009 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:56,800 I don't know. 1010 00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:02,000 It kind of comes down to these caricatures that you see at the... 1011 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:07,600 Yeah, it's not aggressively racist or something, but it is uncomfortable for sure. 1012 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:08,600 No. 1013 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:09,600 Yeah. 1014 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:17,040 And it's a caricature, the Chinese cat in Aristocats. 1015 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,880 And you see these caricature art, caricature... 1016 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,280 Oh my God. 1017 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,280 Whatever. 1018 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:28,920 You see these people at amusement parks and things, and you sit down, you pay them money, 1019 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,280 and they exaggerate all your features and stuff. 1020 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:38,960 And maybe the difference is if you're paying them, you're condoning it or sanctioning it. 1021 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,720 And if it's just in a movie or something or a book or... 1022 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:44,200 I mean, look at H.P. 1023 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,320 Lovecraft. 1024 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,400 We don't have to go into that. 1025 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,660 But then it's unsanctioned, therefore it's bad. 1026 00:51:50,660 --> 00:51:52,520 And I'm not saying it's good. 1027 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,360 I'm not trying to say that. 1028 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:59,280 But some of these things are just caricatures and exaggerations. 1029 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,720 That definitely doesn't have to be done to advance the plot of the story in Peter Pan 1030 00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:05,840 or in Aristocats. 1031 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:12,800 But like you said, it's not necessarily blatantly offensive and aggressive and demeaning necessarily. 1032 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,120 No, no. 1033 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,560 I've read a lot of Pope novels and that's kind of what they are. 1034 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,320 Those caricatures and nonsense. 1035 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,820 And it is by modern standards not appropriate. 1036 00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:29,400 But for the times, it was considered perfectly fine, you know? 1037 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:30,400 Perfectly fine. 1038 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:31,400 Yeah. 1039 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:32,400 It's awkward reading it now. 1040 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:39,520 Well, and I see a lot of things online about people make these videos of how to talk Midwestern 1041 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,000 or how to make a friend with a Midwestern. 1042 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,560 And you comment on the weather and you always say it's good. 1043 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:51,360 You know, like, yeah, it's 40 below, but at least it's not windy or something. 1044 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,940 You know, and it's all true. 1045 00:52:53,940 --> 00:52:55,520 Of course I love hot dish. 1046 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,440 Of course we can never leave without a 20 minute goodbye. 1047 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:00,780 You know? 1048 00:53:00,780 --> 00:53:03,360 But those are kind of caricatures as well. 1049 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:10,400 But it's not necessarily targeting an ethnic group, even though the Midwest is by and large 1050 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,880 what German and similarly European in that sense. 1051 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:15,880 So it makes sense. 1052 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,040 There would be a lot of same kind of mentalities and things like that. 1053 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,320 But yes, yes, certain subcultures exist. 1054 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,800 You can only make fun of certain subcultures right now in the United States. 1055 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,840 And it was true then 50 years ago. 1056 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,160 It was true as well. 1057 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,320 It's just now we can target different groups and not feel bad about it. 1058 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,760 And I'm sure it will change in the future potentially. 1059 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:37,760 Yeah. 1060 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,440 Well, and it's a little bit. 1061 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,720 Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the Lando Lakes butter. 1062 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:51,360 I believe that that was drawn, that logo with the Native American woman and everything was 1063 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,120 drawn by a Native American. 1064 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,120 She was commissioned. 1065 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:58,280 I think it was a she, the artist was commissioned to do it and did it. 1066 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,400 But they removed the Native American from the Lando Lakes butter fearing backlash. 1067 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,560 That is my understanding. 1068 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:12,960 So in some of these things, it's not even the exaggerated portrayal, whatever the exaggerated 1069 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,440 portrayal might be. 1070 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,800 It's not even that ethnic group that has a problem with it. 1071 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,720 It's just the fear of being called out for it, I guess. 1072 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:21,720 Yes. 1073 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:26,520 The Fighting Sioux logo was the same way that was drawn by a professional indigenous artist. 1074 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:27,520 Okay. 1075 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:32,640 Which is a form of censorship in and of itself to tie us back into the censorship. 1076 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,440 And Kido, when you think, well, something should be censored. 1077 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,120 I don't necessarily believe that. 1078 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:44,000 I think it shouldn't be censored and the free people should decide. 1079 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,000 Yeah. 1080 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,000 Yeah. 1081 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,720 The Fighting Sioux logo was determined by the NCAA because the hockey team went to the 1082 00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:55,480 D1 and then the NCAA basically forced them to change their logo, even though there was 1083 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,280 no public outcry for it. 1084 00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,360 It was just an order from the organization saying you're not allowed to have the logo 1085 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:02,360 anymore. 1086 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:03,440 I am putting my cigar down. 1087 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:04,680 It is burning my fingers. 1088 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:05,680 Okay. 1089 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,640 I've got a little bit left, maybe an inch. 1090 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:12,440 I want to talk real quickly because I think it ties in a little bit. 1091 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,960 The new Minnesota state flag, Mike. 1092 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:15,960 Yes. 1093 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:22,120 There was an outcry from somebody about the seal on the old state flag, the original state 1094 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:23,120 flag. 1095 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,120 Yes. 1096 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,960 Wasn't there something about the white man and what have you? 1097 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:27,960 They didn't. 1098 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:33,000 Certain groups, and I don't think it was the indigenous groups in the state. 1099 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:40,400 I think it was an activist organization that was not related to any of the bands in Minnesota, 1100 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:46,880 but they didn't like the depiction of a Native American riding a horse on the seal or a white 1101 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,120 guy plowing a field waving to each other. 1102 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,120 They didn't like that. 1103 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,600 They being this group. 1104 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:57,160 I'll have to look it up because I'm pretty sure it had nothing to do with any of the 1105 00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,160 bands. 1106 00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,160 Yes. 1107 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,160 It's not terribly important. 1108 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:05,280 We took a family trip to the Minnesota History Center and we were looking out. 1109 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:10,600 They've got a big hall with a big floor to ceiling window where you can see the state 1110 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:11,600 Capitol. 1111 00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,120 One of the History Center volunteers came up and was like, yep, there's the new state 1112 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,120 flag over there. 1113 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:18,120 He was an older guy. 1114 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:22,760 He goes, personally, I like the new state flag much better because I can look across 1115 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:27,640 and I can immediately pick it out if you had a lineup of all 50 state flags. 1116 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:33,240 He said, the New Mexico state flag is very distinct, a very distinct flag. 1117 00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:38,000 There's a ton of state flags that have the blue background and then a seal in the middle. 1118 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,960 He's like, if you're any distance away from them, they all look the same. 1119 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,040 You can't pick out one versus the other. 1120 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,680 I made a comment about a lot of the British colonies or countries that started out as 1121 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:55,520 British colonies that have the British flag in the upper corner or something. 1122 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,640 They're very similar. 1123 00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:02,900 His view was that we should have a distinct flag because we're a distinct state. 1124 00:57:02,900 --> 00:57:08,560 The new design wasn't my favorite of the designs that were proposed, but I remember on Facebook, 1125 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:13,320 there's a ton of people saying, keep our original state flag, blah, blah, blah, and don't give 1126 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,240 into the whatever, the wokeness or this and that. 1127 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:17,240 I don't know. 1128 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,280 I feel like that change is fine. 1129 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:20,280 It's distinct. 1130 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,760 You can easily pick it out from a distance. 1131 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,920 If you want something to represent your state, don't you want something that's distinct and 1132 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,760 not like 20 other states? 1133 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:32,760 I have done a little research on this topic because I thought it was ridiculous. 1134 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:33,760 We're getting upset. 1135 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,680 How about the state flag change? 1136 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,880 The original state flag came out in a wave of state flags that were all pretty much the 1137 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:41,880 same. 1138 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,280 They all had state seals and maybe their name of their state on them. 1139 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,600 Now this new flag is part of another wave. 1140 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:53,600 Our state flag looks unique by comparison to the old one, but there's a ton of new flags 1141 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,720 that all look pretty much the same. 1142 00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,840 Our flag looks just like all these other flags. 1143 00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:04,800 A lot of towns and it does not look very distinct when you put it up against these new flags 1144 00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:05,960 that are coming out. 1145 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,720 They all look really similar. 1146 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:17,000 Large colors and no words and minimal symbols and large color blocks. 1147 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,720 It's pretty difficult to tell the difference. 1148 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:26,320 There's one flag guru who somehow made all these rules that everybody's supposed to follow. 1149 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,120 That's just random. 1150 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:31,120 There's no rhyme or reason. 1151 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,880 It's just the opinion of this commission. 1152 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,960 It looks pretty similar to a lot of these flags that are all coming out right now to 1153 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:41,120 replace old flags that all looked pretty much the same as well. 1154 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:42,120 It'll get lost in the ether. 1155 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,560 I guess I'll have to look at some of these other ones. 1156 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:51,600 I don't have anything against having guidelines or standards for state flags. 1157 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,840 They're all government entities after all. 1158 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,200 I guess I was hoping they'd all be- 1159 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:56,200 Oh, it doesn't matter to me. 1160 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,200 ... more distinct. 1161 00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,760 I mean, the New Mexico flag is distinct. 1162 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,320 Always has been as far as I know. 1163 00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,680 The Wisconsin-Minnesota flag always looked the same because they were both blue with 1164 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:07,680 the seal. 1165 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:08,680 Right. 1166 00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,880 The North Dakota flag looks pretty similar. 1167 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:16,120 A lot of the states that all became states around the same time all had flags designed 1168 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,120 similarly. 1169 00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,320 Now, there's the same group just different. 1170 00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,320 That's fine. 1171 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,080 According to this little bit of research I did, the seal was... 1172 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:30,520 There was an individual person who was indigenous who was a leader of a non-governmental group 1173 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,520 that was against the old seal. 1174 00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,600 But yeah, and that's fine. 1175 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:35,600 Whatever. 1176 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,920 Symbols change, seals change. 1177 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:38,920 It's perfectly fine. 1178 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,080 I don't really care. 1179 00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,080 It's not a... 1180 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:42,080 No, it's not. 1181 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:43,080 It's not going to change my life. 1182 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,040 No, but I guess that's not really... 1183 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,520 That's not flag censorship. 1184 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,920 I mean, that's just changing the times. 1185 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:58,280 And a flag is something that should be allowed to change with the times much like our constitution. 1186 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,320 It has a mechanism to change with the times through the amendments. 1187 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:08,840 We've had a slew of amendments since it was written, but that's different than censorship. 1188 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:16,320 You get newer thoughts, newer people, new times, and the flags and laws should change 1189 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,880 to reflect those new times. 1190 01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:25,160 Big works of literature, film, events, historical events should not change. 1191 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:31,800 The literature and movies and films of that time should change to reflect the modern time, 1192 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:36,800 but you shouldn't go back and change past things to reflect modern times. 1193 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:37,800 I agree. 1194 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:38,800 Is my stance. 1195 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:45,800 I remember Guam and Puerto Rico had votes a couple of years ago to become states. 1196 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:50,040 And one of the controversies was, oh, if we get 51, it's going to be hard to make a 1197 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,040 flag. 1198 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,200 So they both have to vote yes, if they become states or not. 1199 01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,520 Because people didn't want to have a 51 star flag. 1200 01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,160 That's ridiculous. 1201 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,760 That's their right to vote whether they want to be a state or not, whether or not we change 1202 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:04,760 the flag. 1203 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:11,160 Well, and who says the United States flag has to stay the same design and layout if 1204 01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:12,160 you can change the state flag? 1205 01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:13,160 It's been that layout forever. 1206 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:14,160 Well, yeah. 1207 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,960 The US flag has been that way for a long time. 1208 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,960 But we've added, you know, the stars used to be in a circle. 1209 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:26,040 Well, yeah, you could make an infinity symbol with the stars and cram 51 of them in there. 1210 01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:27,360 I don't care what you do with the stars. 1211 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:28,360 It doesn't matter. 1212 01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,160 I don't care. 1213 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:31,160 Right. 1214 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,720 Yeah, it's fine. 1215 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,360 It's not a partisan issue to me. 1216 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:40,040 I think that it's, if I was a savvy politician, I would love to have controversies like that 1217 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,560 so that I can embezzle money in the background and nobody would pay attention. 1218 01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:44,960 Not saying that's what's happening. 1219 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:45,960 Yes. 1220 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:50,760 But there's a lot of money going through certain countries right now that is just disappearing. 1221 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:51,760 Right. 1222 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:52,760 Right. 1223 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:53,760 The Pentagon can't pass an audit. 1224 01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,600 You know, there's just billions of dollars missing. 1225 01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,160 So let's talk about the state flag and not that. 1226 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,160 Yes. 1227 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:02,160 I am done with my cigar. 1228 01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,160 Are you? 1229 01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:04,760 Yes, I am done with this one. 1230 01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,360 Anything but what's actually going on. 1231 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:07,360 I like it. 1232 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,600 It was mild, smooth, very consistent throughout. 1233 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:12,600 Not particularly inspirational. 1234 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,360 It had very foul tastes throughout. 1235 01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:15,360 No. 1236 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:16,360 It was good. 1237 01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:17,360 It was just a decent stick. 1238 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,840 Like you said, I'd like to do this one with coffee. 1239 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,240 You know, that'd be a good pairing, I think. 1240 01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:23,240 Yeah, I think so. 1241 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:24,240 A nice cup of coffee. 1242 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,440 A Guatemala and Hue Hue, something like that. 1243 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:28,440 Yes. 1244 01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:29,440 Not a state Hue Hue. 1245 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:30,440 Oh, that's Guam. 1246 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:31,440 Guam, not Guatemala. 1247 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:32,440 Sorry. 1248 01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:33,440 That's my bad. 1249 01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:34,440 It's Guam. 1250 01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:35,440 Yeah. 1251 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:36,440 All right, guys. 1252 01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:41,880 I'm sorry for the lack of great information about some conspiracy theories, but. 1253 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:42,880 You know what? 1254 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,200 It was censored off the internet. 1255 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:49,000 Yeah, I think personally, yeah, I think it went well. 1256 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,760 I think it was good to have a little bit of a shift. 1257 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:57,640 I think it would have been a really downer episode to talk about the Holocaust for the 1258 01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,300 whole time. 1259 01:02:59,300 --> 01:03:01,040 Not that it's not worth the time. 1260 01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,040 Right. 1261 01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:03,040 You know what I mean? 1262 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:07,240 But it's nice to have a little shift and get it a little lighter again. 1263 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:08,240 So I don't know. 1264 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:09,920 Do your research. 1265 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:15,720 And usually when you can't find an opposing view, there's a reason, though you might not 1266 01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:20,360 be able to find out what the reason is, but it should give you a little indication that 1267 01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,440 more research is required. 1268 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,320 Anyway, thanks for listening. 1269 01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:25,320 Be safe. 1270 01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:43,800 To prevent transgressions.