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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Mike.

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And I'm Nate.

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What are we smoking, Mike?

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It's off to a sweet.

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We are smoking the factory smokes, sweet.

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And we were Jabber John before we started the show as we do.

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And we licked the caps and we're like, wow, we need to start recording now.

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God damn.

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It is sweet and like mouth puckering is what I would say.

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It actually makes me excited.

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It reminds me of fishing with my dad.

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I'm pairing this one with a Ursa Minor Brewing out of Duluth, Minnesota, Galactic Face Slap,

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which is a hazy IPA.

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But we should get lit and then we'll talk about what we're going to talk about, right

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Mike?

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Absolutely.

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I'm pairing mine with ice water and also some iced coffee.

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There you go.

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Hey, the first puff was actually quite pleasant.

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I was a little worried with how sweet the cap was that it was going to be, I don't know.

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I am still getting a lot of sweetness, a lot.

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It's not unpleasant though.

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No, it's a lot of sweetness.

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But when it's lit, the sweetness is tolerable in a pleasant way.

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I don't mean to say it's bad.

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It's pairing very well with iced coffee.

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For those of you who liked iced coffee, it pairs very well.

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Well, I do like iced coffee, but usually when we record, I like beer better.

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Absolutely.

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Now, Mike, you're on a new mic, right Mike?

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I am on a new mic.

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Yeah.

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We were, I don't know, what, 20 minutes?

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We were fucking around trying to get the new mic to work and different browsers and stuff.

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Something like that.

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Yeah, different browsers.

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Just the joys of podcasting.

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Yeah, I could see it on the original browser.

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It just wasn't connecting and my old mic was working.

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You know how these things go.

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If it was easy, everybody would do it.

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Yeah.

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Mike had to switch from his OnlyFans content setup to his podcast content setup.

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That's right.

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Nobody cares about audio quality on OnlyFans.

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As long as he can show us the goods.

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That's right.

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Speaking about OnlyFans and showing us the goods, what are we talking about this episode,

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Mike?

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Dune 2.

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Dune part 2, Worm Harder.

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Dune 2, Worm Harder.

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Dune part 2, not enough people of color from Africa and the Middle East.

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We're going to talk about some of that stuff.

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It's garnered quite a bit of buzz around the internet.

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We're going to talk a little bit about some of those things.

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I want to talk about our initial thoughts and then we can go into some of the things

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because I'm sure, and I have specific articles pulled up to talk about the things that I

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know we want to talk about already.

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So I went and watched it with Al and I immediately wrote my list in the car in the parking lot.

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I remember I saw it before you and we had talked a little bit about it and you went

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kind of radio silent for three hours, which is about the runtime of the film.

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And then the first thing you texted me was I officially have my list of complaints or

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something.

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That is correct.

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Which was awesome.

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Yeah, and my Sarah and I got a rare date night and got to go see it.

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So thank you to Nick for watching the kids while we went and partook in some spice.

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Hell yeah.

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Partook in some spice.

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Very nice.

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I feel like I want to say this upfront and I'll see if you agree with this statement,

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Mike.

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Dune part 2 is a good movie.

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Dune part 2 is not a good adaptation of the source material.

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I would agree generally with that statement.

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I put it a different way, but I said pretty much the same thing.

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Yeah.

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So it's about a three hour movie.

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It kept me entertained the whole time and it wasn't until probably the last 20 minutes

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where I kind of came to my senses and said, wait, wait, what about this and what about

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that and how is this the ending and what are they doing with these characters?

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So I mean, it kept me entertained.

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So that's why I say it's a good movie.

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It's shot really well.

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I think it's edited really well.

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Some people thought it was kind of slow and the pacing wasn't good, but I felt like the

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pacing was pretty good.

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The music was good.

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The acting was good.

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I tried to go in without any ideas, but it was hard because I went on the third weekend,

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I think.

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I couldn't go the second weekend, blah, blah, blah.

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Unfortunately, about an hour and a quarter in, I started noticing that the pacing was

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off.

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The reason why I noticed the pacing was off is because I started to see scenes that were

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missing that should have been there and alterations to the story.

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I thought to myself, why are you adding this in, cut all this out, add in half as much

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of what's in the book, make it shorter and have the stuff that's in the book in it?

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I want to tell you a funny story about the ending of the movie.

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So we went in to the movie, it's like, you know how this is going to end already, right?

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I'm like, well, I read the books, so I know how it's supposed to end.

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Maybe I wasn't even that coy.

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I was just like, yeah, I know how it ends.

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We got to the end.

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For a refresher from the book, and Mike, you can help add in some stuff if need be, but

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the end of the book differs from the end of the movie pretty significantly.

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I don't know if this is the most significant change, but I believe it is.

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I believe it is.

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In the end of the book, well, in the book, Chani, I don't think ever doubts Paul at all,

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maybe initially, but otherwise she's always a steadfast supporter.

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She's the one that administers the water of life to Paul.

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Her and Jessica actually get along and she is A-okay with Paul marrying Princess Irilin.

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And that's not how the movie ended.

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The movie ended with them at odds and Chani riding off to fuck knows where into the desert.

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And my first thought was, well, if he's ever planning on doing any rest of the story, he's

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going to have to spend at least half an hour, 45 minutes undoing this bullshit rom-com stuff

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that he's doing, like split the two lovers because you can't have any of the other stories

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without Paul and Chani having kids.

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And I was so upset about the end of the movie and I told my wife, I said, Sarah, this is

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not how the movie ends.

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And she's like, well, how did it end?

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And I told her on the ride home and I said, he could have easily done this because it's

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literally a sentence or two at the end of the book.

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So we got home and it was midnight or one o'clock in the morning.

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And I marched downstairs and grabbed my copy of Dune and opened it up to the last page.

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And I said, here, here's how it ends right here, where Paul is basically saying, Irilin

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is my wife in name only and she's not going to know the tenderness of my touch or anything

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of that.

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And you will be my true wife and everyone will know that you're my true chosen partner,

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blah, blah, blah.

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And Jessica's like, yes, we're the best in the galaxy because we're the chosen ones of

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these strong, powerful people, I guess, more or less.

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I mean, I had a problem with that, but I don't think that's the biggest change.

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I think the biggest change was that they took a multi-year long process of taking over Dune

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and turned it into six months, something like that.

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Oh, I thought you were going to say that the biggest problem was they took 10 years of

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taking over Dune and Jessica was pregnant the whole time.

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Exactly.

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Well, I mean, Aliyah was supposed to be like...

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Well, she's the one that kills Barrett Harkonnen.

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She's the one that plays...

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Yeah, she's old enough to start killing people.

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How old was she?

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She was like eight.

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She was like eight or something, wasn't she?

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Yeah, yeah, she was.

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She was too young to be killing people.

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Within the world of Dune, she was born with all the memories of all of the women in her

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entire life.

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Yeah, and she spoke with an adult voice and...

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She's like an adult in a child's body.

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I don't know if it was...

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as she spoke as an adult would speak instead of as a six or eight year old would normally

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speak.

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Probably more so than the latter.

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Before she was even born, she had the mind of an adult because she was an abomination.

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So there we go.

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Yeah, and they had the Benedicessor call Paul the abomination for killing Raid, and that's

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not even how that would go or how it should go.

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No, no.

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Paul was not the abomination.

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Aaliyah was the abomination.

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But again, they took, let's say, nine years, give or take, we could say 10, and turned

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it into six months.

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So there's a lot of time that passes that they could have done that in the movie.

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It's not as if the book had a lot of detail about those 10 years.

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It was just updates and rumors.

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Yeah, and the book is short.

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Yeah, the book is short.

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Yeah, it's not a Game of Thrones length book.

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I think the other thing, and they skipped this too, is they skipped Paul and Shawnee's

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first child, Leto, who was part of the catalyst to get Paul to accept his fate and become

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Maudib, or Lisa Alky.

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The turning point in his career was the death of his child and the rage.

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They missed a lot of things.

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I have a list.

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I have a list.

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Okay, yeah.

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So just briefly surface level, I think I really liked Stilgar in the first one.

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And the second one, he was good in some scenes.

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And then he was almost too cartoony, where it was like, oh, Paul took a shit.

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That's in the prophecy.

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It's in the prophecy, everyone.

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Right, in the book, he was not the most devout for Dyken.

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He was the skeptic.

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He was the skeptic.

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And in the book, when Paul won Stilgar over to his side, Paul mourned the loss of Stilgar.

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Because once Paul won Stilgar over, he lost out on that contradictory viewpoint.

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So he lost him as that mentor and he gained him as a follower instead of as somebody who

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would challenge his authority and challenge his decisions.

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And he gained it back after he left, because Stilgar then started to question the program

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after Paul died.

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I also wanted to mention, yo, yeah.

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Oh, I was going to say, how are they going to do that?

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Let's say that they make Dune 3 and Dune 4.

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And now we're talking about Leto II and the Worm God.

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How are they going to have Stilgar be the questioner?

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Yeah, it's great.

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And how are they going to have Aaliyah be the new Paul and have Stilgar be the questioner

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who's contemplating murdering them all and returning Dune back into the desert?

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And how are they going to have that dynamic, which is the major plot point of the story?

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I was going to kitty catapult kittypult.

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I don't know what the word is.

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I was going to also mention something along a similar strain where in the first part and

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the book, you have Lea Keens, who's a planetologist who in the book was very sure of being able

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to kind of terraform Dune to have plant life and not be so hostile and to be more hospitable

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to life.

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And that was kind of a big thing that the Fremen wanted to have happen with their planet.

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And in in so in this part two of the movie, I think the biggest two departures it made

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well, and we'll talk about more of them, but it just in tone, Chani never doubted Paul.

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So they're basically changing the core of a character.

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And Paul, as far as I know, at least in the first book, never betrayed the Fremen for

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glory.

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The Fremen are people that have been held down by the entire galaxy and they want to

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terraform their planet.

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And Paul wants to destroy the spice to prove that he's serious about not letting the Fremen

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be downtrodden anymore.

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Yeah, it's well, it's a movie that was meant for my Sarah to enjoy.

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It was not a movie for me to enjoy.

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Does that make sense?

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It does.

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And it's such a disappointment because part one, this is what I told my buddy who had

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watched it and then he came and watched our kids.

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It's written like the story is written.

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Film the story.

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You have an unlimited budget, the best technology in the history of filmmaking.

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You have one of the greatest composers composing for you.

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You have all these actors who are young and ready to do this and excited for the opportunity

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to be part of a massive sci-fi universe.

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It's written.

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It's written.

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You don't have to change things.

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I get it.

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They cut the dinning, the dinner scene out of the first part.

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And when I read the book, because I read the book after I saw the movie, that dining scene

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really laid out all the different factions vying for control and all the different stuff.

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But it's mostly told with inner thought.

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So how you can't, unless you do a lot of voiceover, which gets pretty old.

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It gets very old, but you could show it.

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You could show it.

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You could show it, but I feel like they did a good enough job.

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I understand for a film, you distill things.

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So if you wanted to distill it to basically be the Harkonnens and the Atreides, fine.

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And you have the Bene Gesserit kind of hanging out in the background.

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You don't really have to get into the Sardaukar and the emperor and all that stuff till the

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end.

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I mean, the emperor is there for just a short time anyway.

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I have a problem with this.

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So they had the emperor show up and the Harkonnens were failing to kill Paul.

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They didn't know it was Paul.

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Who they didn't know it was Paul.

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But it was only six months, number one, only six months.

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Number two, they pretended like the emperor had informants amongst the Fremen, which is

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impossible because the Fremen are not in contact with outsiders on purpose.

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And in fact, they pay to not be in contact with outsiders.

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And as we saw, they wanted to kill Paul and Jessica if they couldn't win Paul over.

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Right.

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And as we saw, they showed multiple scenes of the planetary observation deck.

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And they pretended, they didn't say, oh, yeah, we can't, we don't have any satellites on

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the south side of the planet.

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The Spacing Guild, they could have said, oh, the Spacing Guild can't have their satellites,

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can't last there.

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They could have mentioned something like that.

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It would just be a quick one liner and it would explain it all.

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Right.

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And they had multiple scenes in this room where they could have had the Spacing Guild

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mentioned.

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They could have had the system of satellites and the storms and so on and so forth.

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And the southern polar ice cap, which they had a base on the very southern polar ice

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cap.

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Yep.

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It could have all been shown on screen and talked about.

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But instead they have the Harkonnens running around killing random people of their own

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group.

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Yeah.

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It was nonsense.

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I have more complaints with the Harkonnens as well.

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Because they weren't menacing.

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They were stooges.

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They were stupid.

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They were like Colonel, they were like Schultz in Hogan's Heroes.

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Yeah, they were running around killing their own generals and stuff, like a bunch of morons.

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Yeah.

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So I liked Skarsgård's before, or not Skarsgård.

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I can't remember the actor's name who played Fade, but he played Elvis in the Baslerman

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Elvis pick.

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Aaron Butler, I think.

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He was great as Fade, I thought.

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The character that Sting played in the other one.

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I thought the actors were fine.

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Not that the writing was bad.

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The actors did well.

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Yeah, I know.

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I was saying I liked Aaron Butler's performance and I liked the intensity that he brought

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to it and I liked everything about that.

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I didn't like how they kind of relegated the Baron to kind of be like a tertiary or whatever

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number is after that character.

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But I also don't think that Aaron Butler's character, Fade's character, could take down

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Drax the Destroyer as easily as he did in that scene.

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It's based solely on the body mass that they were showing us, but you got to let some things

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go, right?

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I thought that scene was fine.

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I'm glad they included it.

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I was okay with it.

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I didn't like Lady Fenring.

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I didn't think she was attractive enough.

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Lady Fenring is supposed to be very attractive.

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And she had bad teeth, this woman they had playing Lady Fenring, who was going to seduce

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the air.

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And it's like, you can't have a woman with bad teeth seduce this guy.

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What's going on with that?

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And then they had him do the...

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He was the one...

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He had the pack of the cannibal slaves, right?

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Cannibal prostitutes or whatever?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, the cannibal slaves.

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I think he's okay with teeth as long as they're sharp.

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Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They didn't have Lord Fenring, which was a problem.

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This character that's important to the story later on.

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And then they also...

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They had him do the box.

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I now can't remember the name of the damn box.

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Yeah, yeah, the pain box.

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Yeah, the pain box.

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Now I can't remember it, but that's not supposed to happen either.

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Why did you add that?

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And that's what I mean by the pacing.

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They added in a bunch of stuff that didn't need to be there when they could have been

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telling the real story the same amount of time.

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Well, why would they even do the pain box on Fade?

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They don't even think he's the Kwisak Hatterak.

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They just want his bloodline.

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They wanted his daughter on their planet, which was the whole point.

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Like I say, they had a lot of missed opportunities.

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They could have just followed the story and took the same amount of time and it would

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have been great.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And then...

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And you know what?

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You know what the beauty of this whole thing could have been?

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Is Denis Vienvue has had the biggest budget any Dune production has ever had.

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The best access to actors any Dune production has ever had.

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The best access to composers and special effects artists and technology that any Dune production

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has ever had.

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All he has to do is follow the fucking book.

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And then you know what?

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If he doesn't want to make Dune 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, let some other director do it.

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Timothy and Zendaya will still do Dune as long as the story calls for them to do Dune.

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You know, it could be an alien-alien situation where you've got Ridley and James and they

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both put out fantastic films that were sequels of one another.

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With the same with Sigourney Weaver as the main character carrying us through.

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So it's not like Dune has to sit there and say, oh if I follow the book then I have to

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do 18 of these.

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No, just do the part one and part two and finish up the first book as written.

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You know, shirk trim things out or compress things as need be.

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But at least leave it in a place where somebody else could come and say, hey I'm going to

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make part two with you know, Timothy and Zendaya and we'll cast somebody new for whatever.

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Like not a big deal.

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If I were Warner Brothers, which I am not, I would have made very sure that he followed

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the book because I just checked.

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I have read 25 Dune novels and I am not like super fan, have Dune posters.

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You know, I'm not a super fan, but I've read them all.

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I think you are a super fan, but just without the posters, Mike.

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Maybe but I've read all 25 and if Warner Brothers, let's say owns the rights to all of Frank

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Herbert's works, they could make a mini series for a decade off of all the stories in all

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these books, plus his other writings.

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He wrote a ton of other science fiction movies or books that could be adapted to a Dune

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universe.

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Yeah, and if they do the Brian, Brian, his son's works, then every one of those like

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The Butlerian Jihad could be its own mini series.

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The different house books could be their own mini series.

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You could do the main eight books in the main timeline as movies and that's, you know, let's

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say somewhere between eight and 16 movies if they're going to split them up.

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Stargate lasted 10 seasons and it could have lasted 20 seasons and Stargate is nowhere

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near as good as Dune.

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So they just got to follow the book.

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It's not that hard.

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Yep.

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It really isn't.

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I think I'm about halfway at the cigar bike.

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What do you think so far?

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It's still sweet.

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Very sweet.

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Yeah, it is.

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I think at least as sweet as it started out.

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I mean, the cap has mellowed out a bit, but it's still very sweet.

402
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I think this one would have been a better one to have the Midwest Shenanigan ladies smoke.

403
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Yeah, it's not unpleasant, by the way, guys.

404
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Oh yeah, not unpleasant at all.

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I'm pairing it with coffee and the coffee like levels it off.

406
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Really nice.

407
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Yeah.

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Well, even the hazy IPA is okay.

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It's you know, the hazies are a little sweeter, but if you had a more bitter drink like coffee,

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I guess Mike, right?

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Or one of those kind of enamel peeling IPAs maybe or not really a stout or porter, but

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like a dry cider maybe.

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A breakfast tea.

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A breakfast tea.

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Yeah.

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Like a really dark tea with a lot of tannin in it.

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Maybe a glass of wine.

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You could do like a bitter wine.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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Or what are they?

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Not bitter, but.

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A dry wine like a Syrah or something.

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Yeah.

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Or a sour.

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But it's been solid and consistent.

427
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Yeah.

428
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Oh yeah.

429
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Yes, yes.

430
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Do you want to go through your list or do you want me to read some of these articles

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here?

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I don't know if I can read the whole article.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Okay, let's do your list.

435
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Let's do my list.

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I thought they missed an opportunity when they came back and they didn't do the, when

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they did the death still for Janus and they didn't have his family there and have that

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dynamic.

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I know why they didn't do it because it goes against the message.

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You can't have Paul inheriting Janus' belongings and children and house and wife who eventually

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marries Stilgar and you know, blah, blah, blah.

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You can't have that, I guess.

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But it should be there because it shows how the Fremen operate in a backwoods culture.

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Well, I think you can't be upset that there are no Fremen playing Fremen in the movie

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and then say, well, you can't show us people ownership.

446
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Right.

447
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Well, then that's-

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Or whatever part of their culture might be.

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That's part of it too is that-

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Not necessarily ownership, more like the care of, right?

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And the water rings-

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It comes from Middle Eastern culture.

453
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Yeah, the water rings and everything.

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And it comes from Middle Eastern culture, that's why they have four wives to my understanding,

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which is limited.

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That is kind of like their welfare system.

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So men can marry their dead brother's wife so his children aren't on the street because

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women aren't allowed to work or they weren't, you know, a thousand years ago.

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So it was a way to keep money-

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In the Dune universe to this day still in real world.

461
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Right, exactly.

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So and that plays into they didn't make a line between the regular Fremen and the Fadiken.

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They were using those two words interchangeably in the movie and I didn't like that.

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That was, they didn't explain it.

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It would only take one 30 second scene to separate the Fadiken from the regular Fremen

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and then they couldn't move forward, which who knows, they might never make another Dune

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movie and it won't make a difference.

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We talked about-

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They're still going to get one just because I feel both of these performed very well at

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the box office.

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So I feel like they'll make another one, but I honestly, it's going to have to go off the

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rails of the main storyline because you can't have Chani out doing fuck knows what and Paul

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not being Paul, but whatever.

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And then they're going to go full-

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And then somehow get back on track.

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They're going to go full Disney and Chani is going to fly too close to the sun because

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it's not going to be a Dune book.

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They cannot have a Dune book because they've gone off the rails with the main characters

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in the story are not-

480
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Yeah, which set everything else in motion for the remainder of the series.

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Yeah, for the other 25 books, you now have ruined the foundation for your future 10 year

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mini series that would generate $200 a year in my household.

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I was subscribed to HBO for the length of that show just to watch that show for sure.

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And again, I'm not a Dune super fan.

485
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I don't have a Dune tattoo or whatever.

486
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:30,520
Hey man, I've seen your lady Fennering waifu pillow.

487
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:35,580
So don't go pulling anything over on me.

488
00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:36,800
There we go, right?

489
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:41,720
This goes back to the Harkinens being kind of clownish instead of frightening.

490
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:48,360
Because they only had a six month war, they didn't have a real war.

491
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:49,360
So in the Dune-

492
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,880
It's like that battle where they wanted to fight the sea.

493
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:58,120
So the, what was it, Roman or Greek guy was like, march into the sea and start stabbing

494
00:24:58,120 --> 00:24:59,120
it.

495
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,520
Well, he wanted to fight Poseidon, but anyway, go on, Mike.

496
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,040
Yes, that was Commodus, I think it was.

497
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:09,040
Then Commodus go to, he was going to invade Britain, but they couldn't, his generals were

498
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,400
like, we're not crossing the ocean.

499
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,720
So we had his guys walk out into the sea and stab the ocean and then they went back.

500
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:15,720
Something like that.

501
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:16,720
Something like that.

502
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,720
Something like that.

503
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:18,720
I can't remember which one it was.

504
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,000
Yeah, I have something on this Harkonnen thing, but I want you to finish your thought first.

505
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,000
Okay.

506
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,480
So they had a scene where they're attacking the CH and they're like blowing up the mountain

507
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:33,440
with guns and then they run into a sandstorm, which is stupid.

508
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,800
They're acting like morons.

509
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,880
And instead of all this nonsense that they made up, they could have just had them commit

510
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,080
war crimes against the outlying communities and they have those outlying communities go

511
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,600
out to the desert and have the Fremen absorb them by orders of Paul.

512
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,960
And then they grow the Fremen and then they could call from these angry people who just

513
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,520
got war crimes more and more fadikin who are death soldiers.

514
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,920
They're death commandos in the story.

515
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,140
And that's who Paul is having going on raids.

516
00:26:04,140 --> 00:26:08,000
He's growing the death commando group to astronomical numbers.

517
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,860
That's how this all got out of control.

518
00:26:09,860 --> 00:26:12,000
It wasn't the Fremen that were the problem.

519
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,040
It was the death commandos kept on growing and growing and growing because the Harkonnens

520
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,640
were committing more and more and more war crimes.

521
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,920
People were getting angrier and angrier and they got more and more militarized and it

522
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,160
just snowballed out of control.

523
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,440
It's hard to show that if you're doing a six month timeline instead of 10 years, but they

524
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,800
could have done 10 years.

525
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,520
It could have been just seen, seen, seen.

526
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,560
And then you could have had Aliyah grow older and older and older and through her age, you

527
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,240
can see time is passing that way.

528
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,320
If I can imagine it, it would be easy.

529
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,160
If I can imagine it, surely they can imagine it.

530
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,160
You know what I mean?

531
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,160
Surely.

532
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,160
Yeah.

533
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,480
Well, I mean, Mike is the writer of Forrest Gump and other beloved classics.

534
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,080
So I'm just teasing.

535
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,520
I mean, it's very easy.

536
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,320
You know, film, you show, you could show, you could show, you could show.

537
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,920
You don't have to tell, tell, tell.

538
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,580
You don't even need Aliyah to be in the front.

539
00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:09,320
You can have her in the side of the scene and you can see her getting older and older

540
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,320
and older, you know?

541
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,320
So, go ahead.

542
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:12,320
Yeah.

543
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,680
One of those sweet like time lapse things.

544
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,320
I want to talk about the Harkonnen's a little bit because I remember in the book, because

545
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,640
I read the book in between part one and part two of the movies and well, I read all eight

546
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,480
books because I guess I read faster than Hollywood produces movies.

547
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:32,840
But anyway, in the book, there are scenes of Baron Harkonnen being very, very vile,

548
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,480
more vile than any Dune movie has ever shown him being.

549
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,720
I remember it like, oh.

550
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,280
I'm going to say the English term and our listeners can look it up.

551
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,120
It's nonce, N-O-N-C-E.

552
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:49,200
That's the English term for what the Baron's proclivity.

553
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,200
Okay.

554
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,680
Because there's a scene in the book where he's asking one of his aides, he says, bring

555
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,700
me that young boy, the one that looks like Paul.

556
00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:02,520
And then he does sex acts upon this young boy because he's got a rage boner for his

557
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,200
grandson or whatever.

558
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,240
But Paul was not 15 at the time.

559
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,800
That was before.

560
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:10,800
Yes.

561
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:17,240
And I saw something where somebody was saying, hey, we're glad that the director took out

562
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,760
the homosexual stuff from the Baron because Frank Herbert was a homophobe and blah, blah,

563
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:23,760
blah.

564
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,760
And I had to sit there and I had to say, you know what?

565
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,760
No, no.

566
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,520
Being a pedophile has nothing to do with homosexuality.

567
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,520
They did studies.

568
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,000
They did studies done on this.

569
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,360
People that are pedophiles are not homosexuals by and large.

570
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:43,080
Even if they have a same sex attraction to a child, they're attracted to the child, the

571
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,960
age thing, not the gender thing is how I've seen it.

572
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,560
The science stuff behind it.

573
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,960
I don't look this stuff up because yucky, but that's how I understood it.

574
00:28:53,960 --> 00:29:00,000
And so I don't understand like this person is evil and pedophilia is evil.

575
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:05,040
So I don't understand why people are glad that now he's less evil.

576
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:11,680
And to your point, Mike, they're not hardly evil at all in this next one outside of shooting

577
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,680
up a mountain.

578
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,800
Yeah, they're doing stupid things.

579
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,680
They're not doing evil things.

580
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:23,080
The Harkonnens are supposed to grab street kids and put them in island arenas and hunt

581
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,660
them with dogs, that sort of stuff.

582
00:29:25,660 --> 00:29:30,000
That's how Duncan Idaho came to be in the story, which from the first movie we saw,

583
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,020
Jason Momoa is Duncan Idaho.

584
00:29:32,020 --> 00:29:33,040
That was his background.

585
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,300
He survived.

586
00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:35,760
For all of seven minutes.

587
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:42,080
Yeah, for all of seven minutes, but he survived the Harkonnen hunting rings, right?

588
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,080
And then they-

589
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:49,440
Well, yeah, and everybody on the Atreides side had been violently wronged by the Harkonnens.

590
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:56,760
The Souk Doctor, Thufir, Duncan, and Paul and Jessica, and Gurney, and all these people.

591
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,540
That was one of the scenes that made me mad too, is because he went to his death and he

592
00:30:01,540 --> 00:30:06,480
said for his Duke or whatever, didn't mention his sister, didn't mention his family.

593
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,300
That was the back story of the- it would have been just change the words in the scene, no

594
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:12,480
different length.

595
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,060
Now you have the story, right?

596
00:30:14,060 --> 00:30:15,240
You know what I did like though?

597
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:22,040
You know what I liked is the size of the basalette was much more appropriate than whatever Patrick

598
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:28,400
Stewart was lugging around in the 1980s version, where it was like a contra bassoon.

599
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,600
Right, yeah, it's supposed to be like a guitar.

600
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,720
Yeah, or like a ukulele.

601
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,440
Somewhere between the size of a ukulele and a guitar.

602
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,440
Right.

603
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,440
So on to Cheney.

604
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,680
Let's talk about the Fremen still.

605
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,080
Where was the weirding way?

606
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,160
Why was- the weirding way was in the first one, and then it just kind of fell apart.

607
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,200
Where was the weirding way?

608
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,240
This is all part of the mystique, right?

609
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,240
Yep.

610
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,600
Well, Al actually pointed that out.

611
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,960
He was pretty mad about that.

612
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:55,960
Yeah.

613
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,320
Well, why put it in the first one if you're not going to follow up with it?

614
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,760
Just, if you're going to cut that part out, just cut that part out and be done with it.

615
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:02,760
Right.

616
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,720
I mean, I'm not saying cut it out.

617
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,080
I'm just saying be consistent with your choices.

618
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,480
You have two movies and you had extra time to make the second one.

619
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,560
So I don't understand.

620
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,400
It's like they don't read or go back and watch the thing they made.

621
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,400
Right.

622
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,640
Well, it's just a scene by scene.

623
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,480
They could have tweaked.

624
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,720
We could re-edit it and make it better.

625
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,720
Just tweak it.

626
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:23,720
I know.

627
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,080
I thought if they did, if they had, if they filmed, I'm like, oh man, I hope he filmed

628
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,360
the actual true ending of the book.

629
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,160
And then the editor was just like, I've never read this stupid story.

630
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,200
Here's what makes sense to me.

631
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,480
And then you can get a nice fan edit and it's actually a good movie and it actually follows

632
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:39,480
the book.

633
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:40,480
But I don't know.

634
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,480
Right.

635
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,920
I feel like there's not going to be any deleted scenes or anything.

636
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,240
He's like, what's the cutting room floor stays there or something.

637
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,240
So whatever.

638
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,240
Interesting.

639
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,200
He's the new Baron Harkonnen, I guess.

640
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,820
So I had a problem with Cheney and the Cheney Girl Power story.

641
00:31:56,820 --> 00:31:59,120
This is a consistent thing in Hollywood right now.

642
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,480
And I'm sure that most, most if not everybody is aware.

643
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,840
And there's so many things.

644
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,040
There's a lot of crying.

645
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,440
There should be zero crying.

646
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,960
I think there was two crying scenes that weren't the one crying scene that was supposed to

647
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:13,960
be there.

648
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,080
The one crying scene was supposed to be at Janus's funeral, which again, they skipped

649
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,760
all the important parts about that funeral and they added in the dumb parts.

650
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:23,840
But then there's crying.

651
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,200
There's no crying in Fremen.

652
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,200
There's no crying.

653
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,320
No, absolutely not.

654
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:32,520
And this was after the scene of Stilgar or somebody saying, don't waste water for the

655
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,880
dead or whatever.

656
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,960
And then there was like all these crying scenes and I'm like, what the fuck are they doing?

657
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,640
And they did the spitting scene in the first movie and it's wasting the spit is like showing

658
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:42,640
respect.

659
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,100
There's no crying.

660
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:46,100
So I did it.

661
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:47,100
There's no crying in baseball.

662
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:49,440
Yeah, there's no crying in baseball.

663
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,860
We're going to go strictly to Cheney.

664
00:32:50,860 --> 00:32:54,260
They had premarital sex and then she was big.

665
00:32:54,260 --> 00:32:56,600
There is no premarital sex in the Fremen society.

666
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,400
There's not really a marriage.

667
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,160
There's no, well, there's, there's an agreement.

668
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,360
There's an agreement between the man and the woman.

669
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,120
If the woman wants to leave or the man wants to leave, they have an agreement that they're

670
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,520
no longer going to be together, but you have to have that committed agreement in order

671
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,400
for boing a boing a time.

672
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,400
And she was the bongos.

673
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,400
Exactly.

674
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,400
Exactly.

675
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,480
I, I didn't like the girl power Cheney.

676
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:27,400
She was not the, the Fadiken murder killer woman who was a zealot that she needed to

677
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,560
be, right?

678
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,880
She was supposed to elevate the crazy side of the Paul story.

679
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:32,880
Yes.

680
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,960
She was supposed to be the one pushing Paul and Stilgar was the one supposed to be pulling

681
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,840
him away until he didn't.

682
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:39,840
Yeah, they flopped that.

683
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:40,840
Yeah.

684
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,960
And they, they flip flopped it, but now how are they supposed to do the second or a third

685
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,880
movie with children involved and planet takeovers?

686
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,880
Yeah.

687
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,360
We just kick off the rest of everything else.

688
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,080
That was one of the coolest parts of the later, the later books is the Fremen come back from

689
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,800
the big jihad and they're like, ah, I saw planets full of water and this and that, and

690
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,440
you know, kind of all their war stories from coming back.

691
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,240
But I don't know how I, they can still do that stuff, but I don't, I don't know how

692
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:13,560
you can do any of the other stuff because without Chani or Cheney, you, you don't have

693
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:14,720
a Dune story.

694
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:17,600
No, she's integral to the Dune story.

695
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,360
Literally nobody else.

696
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:24,960
And then what you're going to have Paul and Princess Irwin have kids and then call them

697
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,360
like that's not even going to work.

698
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,020
Like how is that even supposed to work?

699
00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:32,120
And then, but then you're so far off the Dune thing and just kind of taking these characters

700
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,040
and making your own kind of fan fiction about the Dune story, which you could just do on

701
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,040
the internet for free.

702
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,440
Like why waste people's time and money to put it on a big screen?

703
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,320
I liked the foreshadowing of Irulan recording Imperial events.

704
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,320
I thought that was good.

705
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,240
Oh me too, because there are so many quotes of that in the book before they do the chapters.

706
00:34:49,240 --> 00:34:50,240
They have little quotes and.

707
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:52,720
They had quotes of her before you knew who she was.

708
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:53,720
That was the coolest part.

709
00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:54,720
Oh yeah, that's so cool.

710
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:56,720
You know what I mean?

711
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:57,720
It was great.

712
00:34:57,720 --> 00:34:59,960
Uh, but yeah, they're, they're, they're off the rails.

713
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:04,000
It was way off the rails as far as they missed an opportunity.

714
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,640
They, they could have stole a thousand dollars from me.

715
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,920
I would have bought HBO Max forever.

716
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:17,040
Yeah, they, they had, they had a similar choice as Lato 2.

717
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,440
You have the golden path laid out before you, except instead of letting sand trout take

718
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,560
over your body and turn you into a giant worm, and then you can't have sex later with this

719
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,080
smoking hot chick.

720
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:32,760
All you have to do is follow the fucking book and you can make more money than any you or

721
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,800
your descendants would know what to do with.

722
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:35,800
There's 25 books.

723
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,880
And somehow you didn't, and somehow you didn't, somehow you didn't take them.

724
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:39,880
Came out last year.

725
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:40,880
Oh yeah, right?

726
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:41,880
Yeah.

727
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:42,880
There's 25 doom books.

728
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,060
The last one came out last year.

729
00:35:44,060 --> 00:35:45,060
It was a bestseller.

730
00:35:45,060 --> 00:35:46,060
Yeah.

731
00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:47,060
Like that's not even a hard decision.

732
00:35:47,060 --> 00:35:51,160
A hard decision is do I let these sand trout encase my body and then I turn into a giant

733
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,760
worm and die for the golden path.

734
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,800
The hard decision is not, should I just follow the fucking book so I can make 25 fucking

735
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,680
movies and make bank off the royalties?

736
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,680
That's not a hard decision.

737
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:03,680
No.

738
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:04,680
And they could have done it so easy.

739
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,680
I mean, they could have had war crimes.

740
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,160
They captured some harconans.

741
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,960
Cheney tortures one of them.

742
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:10,960
Right.

743
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,840
And then boom, now you're, you're good to go.

744
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:13,840
Right?

745
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,760
Like you don't need a lot of scenes that explain the situation.

746
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,760
The book didn't have a lot of scenes that initially explain the situation.

747
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,080
You can infer a lot of things just from looks or brief little scenes.

748
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,360
You don't need to go in depth with a lot of stuff.

749
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,360
Right.

750
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:29,360
Yeah.

751
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,080
The bloodlust of the Fremen or the Fadikin women, because that's really who you're dealing

752
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,220
with in the doom books.

753
00:36:34,220 --> 00:36:35,220
The Fremen women are there.

754
00:36:35,220 --> 00:36:36,220
Don't get me wrong.

755
00:36:36,220 --> 00:36:38,080
But there's two separate groups.

756
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,800
The real psychos and then the normal, the normies, if you will.

757
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:42,800
Yes.

758
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,840
I guess my list of complaints is over because it's all wrapped up into the, the rest of

759
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:48,840
it's all wrapped up into.

760
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,680
Oh, it's all, yeah.

761
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:51,680
The girl power.

762
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,440
They just can't have it.

763
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,240
The power was there.

764
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:56,840
It just wasn't the story they wanted.

765
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,840
Right?

766
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,560
You could have had the bad-ass Fadikin murder person story who was this fanatic, but they

767
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,880
didn't go that direction.

768
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:04,880
So yeah.

769
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,400
Oh, also they captured a crisp knife.

770
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,400
I'm sorry.

771
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:14,120
I had a real big problem because they captured that lady and she had a crisp knife and somehow

772
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:19,160
Fade Ralpha got his hands on a crisp knife, which is against the rules.

773
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,200
That doesn't happen.

774
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,200
Never happened.

775
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,160
Hadn't happened in the thousand years that they were there.

776
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,640
No, those are the lore.

777
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,640
As the crisp knives are as revered to the Fremen as water.

778
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,640
Yeah.

779
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,080
So the chance of an outsider ever getting one not happening.

780
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,080
Zero.

781
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:42,200
When Lady Jessica got the crisp knife in the first book, that was supposed to be a big

782
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,200
deal.

783
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,200
Yes.

784
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,200
There's been a lot of talk about this ending and Dene Villenevue has been saying, oh, this

785
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,920
ending is much more romantic and blah, blah, blah.

786
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,920
But there's been a lot of talk about this being very anti-colonizer, this movie being

787
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:03,920
anti-colonizer and making Paul to be the villain that he truly is according to the director

788
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,040
and other people around the film.

789
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,640
And I never really saw Paul as a bad guy.

790
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,600
Paul is a complicated character, which is great because complicated characters are super

791
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:15,720
interesting.

792
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:21,960
He doubts the religious prophecies that surround him or surround this thing.

793
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,000
He doubts all that stuff.

794
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,000
He doesn't want to do it.

795
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,600
He's a reluctant, kind of a reluctant pawn in this game.

796
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:34,560
But when he takes that water of life and gains his full prescience, then he can see how to

797
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,120
out manipulate everybody on the playing field.

798
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:43,000
And he's not, I never really got the sense that he was doing it for himself.

799
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,120
So I feel like he's been pretty selfless through the whole thing outside of the time where

800
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,640
he was not willing to commit fully in the book I'm talking, Mike.

801
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:52,640
Sure.

802
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,880
Well, so I don't, I don't know why they're lumping, maybe I don't know why they're having

803
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:03,400
Paul or why they decided to lump Paul in with the quote unquote colonizers, like the Harkonnens,

804
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,240
like the Atreides weren't never portrayed as colonizers.

805
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:11,440
They were a great house for sure, but that doesn't mean every great house is a colonizer.

806
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,240
The Harkonnens had Dune for how many years?

807
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:18,520
Decades or whatever, you know, and raped and pilfered and pillaged it.

808
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:23,560
The Harkonnens had it for 70 years before the Atreides took it over.

809
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:28,960
So if anything, the Atreides are the anti-colonizers.

810
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,600
They are anti-colonizers by nature because they wanted to enrich the population.

811
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:40,640
Yeah, and harness the desert power to make the desert power be its own power without

812
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,640
them.

813
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,120
You know, I don't think they ever wanted to rule and subjugate the Fremen.

814
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,120
Right.

815
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,120
Well, it wasn't explained well in the movie.

816
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,120
No.

817
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,120
Go ahead.

818
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:58,040
I was going to say, like, I feel in the book anyway that the Atreides mindset to Dune was

819
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,880
they could make some money, of course, because of the spice production, but they didn't understand

820
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,360
how that all worked and all the players involved.

821
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:13,080
And they almost looked at the Fremen in a Lewis and Clark expedition type way where

822
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,000
they wanted to befriend them if they were able to.

823
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,480
Like, they didn't come in hostile at all.

824
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:19,840
No, no.

825
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,840
So it wasn't explained well.

826
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,800
Even though it could be seen as hostile because they took over the same buildings that the

827
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,200
Harkonnens had and stuff, which is weird and would be weird if you were a Fremen, but it's

828
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,000
not like the majority of Fremen were living in the towns anyway.

829
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,720
So it's not like the Fremen would actually care who was living where.

830
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:37,720
Right.

831
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:42,800
They skipped a lot of the water scenes where the Atreides started handing water out on

832
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,760
like the Harkonnens and they were changing their policies.

833
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:47,760
It also wasn't explained very well.

834
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:48,760
Oh, go ahead.

835
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:49,760
Go ahead.

836
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:55,320
I was going to say, was it Jessica or was it Paul that found the garden in their complex

837
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,680
and they decided to stop the garden and give the water to the Fremen, right?

838
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:00,680
That was the whole thing.

839
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:01,680
Yep.

840
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:07,960
They did the ritual of spilling water on the floor during parties and selling it to the

841
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,520
poor instead of just giving them water rations when they threw parties, which is what they

842
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,520
ended up doing.

843
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:22,720
This is a completely visual thing and I know why it was done, but it's the candy apple

844
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:31,360
merchant from Hocus Pocus 2 again, Mike, when Stilgar was showing Jessica the water reserves

845
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:37,000
and it's an open air, like vast, massive lake thing and they're like, we don't drink this.

846
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,360
I'm like, okay, but that's just evaporated, yo.

847
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,120
I don't know what to tell you.

848
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,120
That's gone.

849
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,840
The CH was not sealed.

850
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:46,840
They didn't have it sealed.

851
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,280
Yeah, it was like an open air thing.

852
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,280
Yeah, no, no, no.

853
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,760
I understand because in the books, I think they're like tanks.

854
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,960
Jessica's looking at all these tanks and they're sealed tanks that are holding water and she's

855
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,920
like, oh my God, do you have all this water?

856
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,760
And I understand tanks are not fun to look at.

857
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,160
That's not visually appealing.

858
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,480
Nobody likes looking at tanks.

859
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,640
We go to great lengths to hide tanks.

860
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,560
We build wooden fences around tanks.

861
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,400
We build, you know, I get it.

862
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,080
Like I understand it, but they could have, if they're going to show it as a giant underground

863
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,880
thing, they could just have Stilgar say, yeah, we're deep enough here.

864
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,600
The humidity, the water doesn't evaporate.

865
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:22,600
It's great.

866
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:23,600
I don't care.

867
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,280
I don't care how you explain it, but you know, it's just, they didn't go that little bit

868
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:32,600
extra length that was required of them to go to explain the little things that they

869
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,400
decided to do, you know?

870
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,320
And I think that was consistent throughout all of part two.

871
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,320
Yes.

872
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,680
I would, that would be my summation is that consistently where they could have shined

873
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:48,720
with just a little effort, cut what they did just a little bit and add in the same amount

874
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:51,760
of time or even less and modified it.

875
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,000
Just little modifications here and there.

876
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,520
Just returned back to the source material.

877
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:01,640
In the book, wasn't, wasn't one of the, didn't one of the camps of Fremen have actual plants

878
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:02,840
that they showed Paul?

879
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:03,840
Yes.

880
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,440
That they were growing because they were, they wanted to terraform it on their own.

881
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,160
And it wasn't like it was Paul's great idea to terraform Arrakis.

882
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,200
Like he wanted to do that because they wanted it done.

883
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:21,520
And Lea Keans, who was Chani's father, mother in the movie version, that was his slash her

884
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:27,840
goal to get it to where it had plant life to support more life and more moisture.

885
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:33,400
And yes, one of the major reasons why in the book they paid off the spacing guild to not

886
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:39,440
have satellites on the south side of the planet was that they had open air growing plants

887
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,160
on the south side of the planet.

888
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,160
Yes.

889
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,800
And wind, wind generation and all sorts of development that they did not want.

890
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,200
Well, they did all this to make Paul out to be a villain.

891
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,800
And Paul's only doing what the Fremen wanted.

892
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:58,880
If they want Paul to be this, this bloodthirsty villain that's now oppressing the Fremen,

893
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,800
which was never ever true, not even once.

894
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:07,160
No, if anything, the Fremen were pushing Paul in an area he did not want to go, but which

895
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,840
he turned to once the ball got rolling.

896
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:12,840
Yes.

897
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:13,840
So I don't know.

898
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:19,440
I think overall, I think in terms of movies and production and things, I think it's a

899
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,440
good movie.

900
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,000
At least I just watched something today and it was terrible.

901
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,000
It wasn't terrible.

902
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:30,000
It was very eye opening where this film reviewer was saying, look, a lot of these movies that

903
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,040
we're liking these days, we only like because they're not as bad as everything else being

904
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,960
put out these days.

905
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,960
And I think this was a film made by a competent filmmaker, not maybe necessarily, you know,

906
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,360
the story was lacking in places.

907
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,160
And that's why I said at the very beginning of the episode, I think it's a good movie.

908
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:54,640
I don't think it's a good adaptation of the source material because if you want to tell

909
00:44:54,640 --> 00:45:02,320
a story about a white desert Jesus coming in and freeing people, then this is a good

910
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,320
story.

911
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,400
If you want to tell Dune, you're not really telling Dune with all the changes you made

912
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,460
in part two.

913
00:45:08,460 --> 00:45:13,920
This reminds me of the Half-Blood Prince movie where it was a teenage love movie, right?

914
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,440
It had nothing to do with the book really.

915
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,600
And a lot of people really liked that movie, but they're all the people that didn't read

916
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,120
the book because I hate that movie.

917
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,120
I think it's garbage.

918
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,480
Like, I hate it.

919
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,480
How do you really feel, Mike?

920
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:28,600
Yeah, exactly.

921
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,880
But they didn't explain the politics, which is hard to do in a movie.

922
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:34,880
I understand.

923
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,160
It's hard to do, but it's not impossible.

924
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,440
You can do it.

925
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,440
Yes.

926
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,600
And he knew, well, he didn't know.

927
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:48,480
So he made part one and he wasn't for certain, he wasn't guaranteed to make a part two.

928
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:55,560
But I feel like part two was him just ripping off the bandaid and saying, here we go.

929
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:56,860
Here's all this stuff.

930
00:45:56,860 --> 00:46:02,340
And we kind of forget all of the stuff, or they kind of forgot most of the stuff they

931
00:46:02,340 --> 00:46:04,280
put in the first part.

932
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,580
When in reality, they should have been building off of that.

933
00:46:07,580 --> 00:46:12,480
And even when the souk doctor showed up in the ring fighting Fade, there, it felt kind

934
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:19,440
of underwhelming because unless you knew who it was and knew, like they should have reiterated

935
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,920
about his wife and stuff.

936
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,400
Like they should have made that more impactful.

937
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,880
And it really wasn't.

938
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:31,280
Other than that one slave guy that Fade was fighting didn't have the muscle numbing drug,

939
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,760
which they didn't even really explain that either.

940
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,680
So I understood it though.

941
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,560
I thought that was, no, I mean, I understood it.

942
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:38,560
It was fine.

943
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:39,560
I'm not saying it.

944
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:40,960
I'm not saying it wasn't fine.

945
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:47,320
I'm just saying they had this, the part one, and they had the opportunity to build upon

946
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,240
the stuff that they laid down in part one.

947
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:54,980
And in part two, they kind of didn't really want to reference back to part one at all.

948
00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:59,160
And they wanted to go and be like, hey, Chani is this great, like awesome person and Paul

949
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,280
is turning evil.

950
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,240
And they didn't really want to reference most of the part one to build up the political

951
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:07,400
understanding of the situation is what I felt.

952
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,340
They had to follow the message.

953
00:47:09,340 --> 00:47:17,120
You cannot have a woman of color on the screen be a somewhat lunatic, murderous monster person

954
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:24,480
who's pushing somebody who's also a murder lunatic monster person to get even crazier.

955
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,360
And you really can't have a show in modern world where there really isn't a good guy.

956
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,640
Paul's not a good or a bad guy.

957
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:37,920
In the Dune universe, he's a guy playing a role in a long sequence of events that lead

958
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:38,920
to other events.

959
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:43,760
And most of the people are not particularly moral actors.

960
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,600
No one is really a good actor.

961
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,480
Paul is a pivot.

962
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:55,320
Paul is like a pivot point, I think, in the timeline of the universe these different factions

963
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,880
are trying to create.

964
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:02,520
And because Paul happened, it ended up causing a lot of the plans and the plans within plans

965
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:07,640
and the plans within those plans, within the other plans to take a drastically different

966
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:08,800
turn.

967
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:14,600
And I think if you go back and look at the eight books in the main timeline, because

968
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,960
the main storyline that gets kicked off with Dune is eight books.

969
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:26,360
I think really the only good actor in the entirety of the thing, there's two of them,

970
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,280
and one of them is questionable.

971
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,840
But one I think is Leto too.

972
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:36,400
I think he's a good actor, even though he was called the Tyrant and did horrible things

973
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:42,800
too, but it ends up coming back in the very end of the main storyline.

974
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,520
And then Duncan Idaho, I feel, is a good actor.

975
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,480
And he is not a purely good actor either.

976
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,360
He does plenty of bad things throughout the story.

977
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,360
It's not like he's wonderful.

978
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:58,280
But I think, I know, but I think that's the beauty of the Dune story is they don't have

979
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,800
to be all good actors because what person is an all good actor?

980
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,960
You know, Gandhi was terrible to his wife and children, but everybody was like, oh yeah,

981
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:07,960
he was great.

982
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,720
Mother Teresa was, you know, defiant and very selfish and whatever.

983
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,760
And she ran a death camp.

984
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,280
Yeah, you know, but everybody reveres her.

985
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:22,600
But that's the thing is you can have people that you look up to even though they have

986
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:23,600
faults.

987
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,720
And that's the nuance of Dune that I liked, that I enjoyed.

988
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:32,000
You know, everybody's self-serving and some people are Harkonnens about it and some people

989
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,160
are Atreides about it, you know, and there's people in between.

990
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:36,160
So right.

991
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,760
And the Atreides were not all good.

992
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,160
They didn't get into the backstory of Caladan.

993
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,920
They kind of made it sound like they had to abandon Caladan, but that's not the case.

994
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:45,920
They still had Caladan.

995
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,640
They were trying to build up.

996
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,240
Because Lady Jessica went back there.

997
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:55,520
Yeah, they were trying to build up operations on Dune and they were so strong on Caladan

998
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,400
that they just left Caladan to be run by the local population with minimal military.

999
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,720
They had military protection, but not.

1000
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:06,760
Yeah, they were not occupying Caladan.

1001
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,120
They were from there.

1002
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:09,120
Yeah, yeah.

1003
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,880
They were well liked by the population.

1004
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,720
But even Baron Harkonnen was pushed to be the Baron.

1005
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:21,840
He was an evil character, but he was twisted even more by the Bene Gesserit to become what

1006
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:22,920
he became.

1007
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:29,320
So the Bene Gesserit are the ultimate baddies who turn into goodies kind of.

1008
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,320
Kind of.

1009
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,320
Yeah, kind of.

1010
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:41,200
The whole thing is the people with the prescience, namely Paul and Leto II saw all of the different

1011
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,200
things because they had visions of the future and they had visions of all the different

1012
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,920
paths and they could sit down and explore all the different paths down there.

1013
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,680
And there's a scene in one of the books where Paul was worried about losing himself in the

1014
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,000
visions and not ever coming back to sanity.

1015
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:05,440
But there are set things that they saw that had to happen in order for the end goal to

1016
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,480
be what the end goal needed to be, I guess.

1017
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:13,240
We have to be cagey about the end goal because you don't find out about it until the last

1018
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:14,240
of eight books.

1019
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:15,240
Yeah, I know.

1020
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:24,840
But they're doing a lot of very bad things to prepare for the final bad thing.

1021
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:25,840
Is that a nice way to put it?

1022
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:26,840
Is that the good way to put it?

1023
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,880
Yeah, which may or may not be a good thing.

1024
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,320
Yeah, which may or may not be a good thing.

1025
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:32,920
It's hard to say, really.

1026
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,980
And I think with everything in the Dune universe, it's not necessarily all good or all bad.

1027
00:51:37,980 --> 00:51:42,000
Even though the end might be what the end is, does that mean it's a good ending or a

1028
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,200
bad ending or is it a little bit of both?

1029
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,440
And it's probably a little bit of both.

1030
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,680
I mean, there's all sorts of things that happen.

1031
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,240
The main storyline spans over 10,000 years.

1032
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:53,240
So...

1033
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:54,240
Right.

1034
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:58,520
The only jump between the second book and the third book is 5,000 years.

1035
00:51:58,520 --> 00:51:59,520
Yeah.

1036
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,200
The nuances and things.

1037
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:09,320
It's truly kind of like reading about a butterfly in one book and then three books later you're

1038
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,440
reading about the tsunami that was caused by the flap of the butterfly's wing in the

1039
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:14,440
first book.

1040
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,440
Right.

1041
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:16,440
It's wheels within wheels.

1042
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,440
Yes.

1043
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,440
That's wheels within wheels.

1044
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,440
It's hard to show that in a movie.

1045
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,440
I understand.

1046
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:23,920
Yeah, I understand that too.

1047
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,080
I understand there's challenges, I think, that a lot of this...

1048
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,960
I mean, I liked a lot of the stuff.

1049
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:36,040
I didn't like the departure, the big departure from the actual story, but I really enjoyed

1050
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,240
how they did the voice.

1051
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:38,760
I liked how they portrayed the voice.

1052
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,600
And Viscera jumped every time the voice was used.

1053
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:48,400
And I thought it was a very effective way to show the voice on screen, compelling somebody

1054
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:49,600
to do something.

1055
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,700
There was a great movie inside of this movie that was lost.

1056
00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:56,080
There could have been a great movie made, but they just...

1057
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:57,080
Yes.

1058
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:58,160
They had, they couldn't.

1059
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,960
I don't know what the reason is.

1060
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:05,640
I'm gonna guess that it was politics in our own real world wouldn't allow for the story

1061
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,920
and the story's controversial and negative in a lot of ways.

1062
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,240
That's what made Dune great then and now is it's...

1063
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:15,200
But it's also a bestseller.

1064
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,200
Yeah.

1065
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,000
So it's a beloved franchise.

1066
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,000
I don't...

1067
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:26,640
It's the bestselling sci-fi franchise of all time outside of Star Trek and Star Wars, which

1068
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:27,640
are movies.

1069
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,120
Before this, it was all books.

1070
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,120
Yeah, Movies First.

1071
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,320
Yeah, Movies First.

1072
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:38,400
These were novels that turned into books years later and never really took off as movies.

1073
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,400
Yes.

1074
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,200
And I keep going back to what you said and you've said multiple times on this podcast

1075
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,720
about the softening of language.

1076
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:45,880
And I sent you that video.

1077
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:53,520
There's a really good video out there of Arnold talking about creating soft kids, soft children.

1078
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,680
And you know, adversity makes people strong.

1079
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:03,600
Not that you wish adversity upon people, but by removing all adversity from people, you're

1080
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,080
doing a disservice.

1081
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:12,640
And I think in terms of media and fiction for sure, fiction for sure is that's your

1082
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,200
opportunity to say, Hey, this is all a fake story.

1083
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,960
Let's challenge you intellectually here.

1084
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,480
Are you, who are you cheering for in the Dune universe?

1085
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,080
Are you cheering for Fade Harkonnen?

1086
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,680
Are you cheering for Paul?

1087
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:26,920
Are you cheering for Chani?

1088
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:27,920
Are you cheering for Jessica?

1089
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,280
Are you cheering for the Ben and Jesser?

1090
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,840
Are you cheering for this or that?

1091
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:36,680
And all of their little like inner motives are revealed in the book and it's very complicated.

1092
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,400
I mean, it's, you know, not complicated if you're only one, but if you're seeing all

1093
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:45,320
of the different factions, you kind of start to see all of their goals across these eight

1094
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:51,520
books and what each one is trying to achieve over the course of thousands of years, you

1095
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,680
know, cause these are not short-term plans.

1096
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,560
There are some short-term plans for sure, but by and large, they're all long-term plans.

1097
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:06,400
And so seeing some of the dichotomy, some of the contradictory even within people, right?

1098
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:13,560
Paul, he wants to end the reign of terror by launching his own jihad.

1099
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:14,560
Okay.

1100
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,200
You know, is that right or wrong?

1101
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,760
Well, that's an excellent question.

1102
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,000
You don't have to water it down.

1103
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,800
I think people can handle more than studio executives think people can handle.

1104
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,440
I don't, you know, I don't know.

1105
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:33,880
I don't, these studio executives don't care about long-term goals.

1106
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,320
I don't think, I think they're, they're concerned about quarterly profits.

1107
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:37,320
They don't care.

1108
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,600
And whether or not the movie is going to make money now, it's similar to what they've done

1109
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:42,960
to Star Wars.

1110
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,280
There's hundreds of Star Wars novels they could be making stories off of.

1111
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:52,400
And instead of using that backlog to create new shows, they're trying to create brand

1112
00:55:52,400 --> 00:56:00,600
new properties with 20 year old writers with the diversity of Los Angeles reflected in

1113
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,360
every way in a modern way.

1114
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,880
And that the same social problems we have now, they're going to have in an alternate

1115
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:12,660
universe that's hyper-advanced with crazy medical technology that would prevent a lot

1116
00:56:12,660 --> 00:56:14,560
of the social problems we have now, basically.

1117
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,520
Let's just put it that way.

1118
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,240
With crazy technology, you don't have problems that we have now.

1119
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:20,240
Why would you?

1120
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:21,240
Yeah, me basically don't.

1121
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:22,240
It's totally different.

1122
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:23,240
There's no reason for problems.

1123
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:26,160
There's no reason to have them because you have the technology to solve the problem.

1124
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,720
So it wouldn't exist.

1125
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:33,520
There's not a lot of reason to have problems these days outside of talking heads on TV

1126
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,360
and influencers on the internet.

1127
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:42,420
But I think the quality of writing, I feel that a lot of these film writers are writing

1128
00:56:42,420 --> 00:56:48,380
to the lowest common denominator and not trying to challenge the audiences anymore.

1129
00:56:48,380 --> 00:56:53,500
And I think that what they think is the lowest common denominator is making them miss a lot

1130
00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:57,400
of opportunities and miss a lot of things, naturally.

1131
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,920
We watched Argyle, which didn't get really good reviews, but it was fun.

1132
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:02,920
It was fine.

1133
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,800
It was one of those movies where you sit there and you're like, yeah, I know what's going

1134
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:06,800
on.

1135
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:12,600
I can predict what's going to happen, but I'm not sure that the modern audience will

1136
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,700
follow it because I feel the modern audience just wants something they can sit there and

1137
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:19,560
tune out and like scroll their phone or munch popcorn.

1138
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,920
And they don't want to be challenged mentally.

1139
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,700
Or maybe that's just the impression that Hollywood is projecting.

1140
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:30,560
I think the writers that they get come from a very specific social class, from a very

1141
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,360
specific region of the country.

1142
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,000
And they are in such a bubble.

1143
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,280
And a very specific background, Mike.

1144
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:42,040
Very specific background, very specific social class, very specific region.

1145
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:47,580
And they do not understand the other cultural dynamics, and nor do they want to.

1146
00:57:47,580 --> 00:57:52,800
They want to pretend like those different groups don't exist anymore.

1147
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,720
And even when they try to tell a story about those groups, because they don't take the

1148
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:02,880
time to appreciate what it's about, they can't accurately depict it.

1149
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:08,880
And they just shove their own experience on it instead of trying to let it speak for itself.

1150
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,960
So something like Dune, where it's really related to a culture in a background that

1151
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,400
they don't understand.

1152
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:20,200
And Frank Herbert was a guy that they cannot possibly understand.

1153
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,100
They can't do it.

1154
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:23,100
They don't want to.

1155
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:24,680
They could do it, but they don't want to do it.

1156
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,280
They want everybody to be just like them.

1157
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,560
So yeah, and so much of this is...

1158
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,800
I'm just going to call it this.

1159
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,840
I'm not trying to offend anybody.

1160
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,040
I think a lot of this is just revenge porn.

1161
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,720
People are like, well, Paul was white, so he must be bad.

1162
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,000
So hating white people is in.

1163
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:48,920
And we'll have Chani then be the next, the true savior of Arrakis.

1164
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:54,440
And she'll leave Paul, who's obviously been corrupted by power and religion.

1165
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:59,680
And Chani will go off into the desert to then save the planet in the next film, which doesn't

1166
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:00,680
follow the book.

1167
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:06,500
And sure, Frank is a white guy, but don't make that movie then if you hate white people.

1168
00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:08,500
Make your own movie.

1169
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:14,160
That's the biggest mind boggling thing to me is we have this massive platform that anybody

1170
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,040
can access, the internet.

1171
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:20,240
And you have all of these people that can tell their own unique stories.

1172
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:25,560
And we're remaking and adapting and readapting all these things that have already been made.

1173
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,400
But they're adapting them and then twisting them to fit the modern narrative.

1174
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,520
Make your own unique, original, modern narrative story then.

1175
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:38,600
You don't have to take something that's a bestseller that has its own fandom and twist

1176
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,900
it to whatever you want.

1177
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:42,360
Make your own story.

1178
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:43,360
Make your own story.

1179
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:44,360
Make your own unique story.

1180
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,600
Look at everything ever all at once.

1181
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,720
Polite society, parasite.

1182
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:54,000
Look at all of these films that are from these other cultures that are phenomenal films and

1183
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,000
unique stories.

1184
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,000
They're not remakes.

1185
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,000
They're not rehashes.

1186
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:02,080
They're not, they're completely original from non-white people.

1187
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:03,080
And they're awesome.

1188
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,080
And I love them.

1189
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,120
So it's not about liking white and hating everything else.

1190
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:11,720
We can like things from every culture, from every ethnicity, you know?

1191
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:17,480
And well, the world of Dune is a multi-planetary society.

1192
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:25,120
And there's, the Fremen are racially different than the ruling classes in the Dune universe

1193
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,120
largely, right?

1194
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,520
And the ruling classes are not good.

1195
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:33,040
It's not like they're good, but they're not solely bad, if I can say that.

1196
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,040
You know what I mean?

1197
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,040
Like, I don't know.

1198
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:39,980
Well, it's not like, there are multiple ruling classes with the multiple great houses.

1199
01:00:39,980 --> 01:00:46,160
And in Dune, you meet two of them and very, very briefly a third with the emperor, the

1200
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,160
Kyrinos.

1201
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,800
So, and there's more great houses than that.

1202
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:55,280
So you can't really blanket them all in and say they're all Harkonnen level bad.

1203
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:00,200
Maybe, you know, I don't know, but you don't get to meet every single great house.

1204
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,200
No.

1205
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,640
And the Harkonnens were uniquely bad actors.

1206
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:04,640
Let's put it that way.

1207
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:05,640
Yes.

1208
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,440
So I am dumb out my cigar.

1209
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:08,440
Yes.

1210
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:09,440
My fingers are burning.

1211
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,440
Yes, I smoked it till my fingers are burning.

1212
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,560
I would say the last inch was a little sour.

1213
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,520
It wasn't, it was only sour by comparison to the rest of it.

1214
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:18,600
It was perfectly fine.

1215
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:19,600
It wasn't bad.

1216
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:20,600
Yes.

1217
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,320
But up until about the last inch, it was sweet.

1218
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:23,320
Whoa.

1219
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:24,320
Yes.

1220
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:29,520
I was actually surprised how much I enjoyed this one after, after wetting the cap.

1221
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,780
I was surprised at how much I enjoyed this one.

1222
01:01:31,780 --> 01:01:37,960
This cigar reminds me of what I wanted a wood tip Swisher's Sweet to be when I was smoking

1223
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,600
a cigar with my old man fishing, you know, when I was a younger person.

1224
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,280
Because the wood tip tastes like garbage.

1225
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,200
You want that sweetness and that lovely little smoke.

1226
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:48,360
And this is what that is.

1227
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:49,360
Yes.

1228
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:50,360
It really is.

1229
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:51,360
It was good.

1230
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:57,060
I would, I would put this, I don't want to be blasphemous, Mike, but if you don't want

1231
01:01:57,060 --> 01:02:02,240
a prevailing flavor, I would put this up there with a, with a moon trance.

1232
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,160
I was going to compare it to that.

1233
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,560
The moon trance is not as sweet as this.

1234
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:07,560
Oh no.

1235
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:13,080
This is much sweeter, but the flavor isn't really a distinct, like the moon trance is

1236
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,240
very, it's very vanilla flavor.

1237
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,840
You know, it's a flavored cigar.

1238
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,260
So you get that real vanilla, the bourbon vanilla flavor.

1239
01:02:21,260 --> 01:02:24,600
This one is just sweet, but it's good.

1240
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:31,240
And for people like Mike and myself who generally smoke the darker and spicier cigars for us

1241
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:37,760
to say this is a good, a good smoke, it's gotta be good because this is not really within

1242
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,960
our wheelhouse of things that we would normally seek out to smoke.

1243
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,880
I don't think, I don't know if I'm, if I'm phrasing that right.

1244
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:50,560
No, I, you know, I would consider buying some to have at home just to give to people.

1245
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:51,560
Oh, me too.

1246
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:52,560
Me too.

1247
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,640
And this would be a great, I think this would be a great like summer.

1248
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:55,640
Yes.

1249
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:56,640
This is a fishing cigar.

1250
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,440
Like I said, this reminds me of fishing with my dad when I was a kid.

1251
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:01,440
Well, teenager, right?

1252
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,760
Like that's what it reminds me of.

1253
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:04,760
It's nice.

1254
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,600
Of legal smoking age, government officials.

1255
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:08,600
Yes.

1256
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,920
Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

1257
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,480
Get back in your cage, fed boy.

1258
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:15,480
That's right.

1259
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:16,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1260
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:17,480
But yeah, it's, it's good.

1261
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:18,480
I like it.

1262
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:19,480
I recommend it.

1263
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:20,480
I like it.

1264
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:21,480
These factory smokes overall were good.

1265
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:22,480
I was really surprised.

1266
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:23,680
These factory smokes have been really good.

1267
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,960
I've been blown away by these factory smokes.

1268
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:30,320
I've, I am shocked by how good, I thought for sure they're going to be trashed.

1269
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:35,000
Because I think I spent $2.80 or some ridiculously low amount of money because I got them on

1270
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,000
sale.

1271
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,000
Yeah, yeah.

1272
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,920
And, uh, you can pick these up really cheap.

1273
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:39,920
You can pick them up really cheap.

1274
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:40,920
You get a ton of these for real cheap.

1275
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:41,920
Yeah.

1276
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:42,920
Yeah.

1277
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,080
I'm not buying a dark shark or an Odyssey or any of that ever again.

1278
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,080
Not anymore.

1279
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:48,080
No, no.

1280
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,520
Not with these factory smokes out there out in the world.

1281
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:57,180
Yeah, that's, I recommend if you want a factory smoked Maduro and a factory smoked sweet,

1282
01:03:57,180 --> 01:04:00,600
you can pretty much only have those two things and you'll be fine.

1283
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,840
Like those, these two, these two are the best of, uh, what, how do, how many of you smoke

1284
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,640
three or four of them?

1285
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,600
Uh, look, look at the episode page listener.

1286
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,040
You look, you tell us we can't remember.

1287
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:14,040
We can't remember.

1288
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,040
We cannot recall.

1289
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:16,040
We have too much.

1290
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:17,880
Uh, we have too much dune lore in our heads.

1291
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:18,880
We don't know.

1292
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:20,760
Uh, what's the garbage smoke?

1293
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,440
I enjoyed watching the movie and then after I get done, I started to get a little pissy

1294
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:25,440
about it, you know?

1295
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:30,080
Yeah, like I, like I said, I, I was there and I'm just like, yeah, okay.

1296
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:31,080
It's a three hour movie.

1297
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:32,640
I got to buckle in, get ready.

1298
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,360
And then it was, you know, two hour, two and a half hours in.

1299
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,120
And I'm like, wait a second, where the hell is Lato?

1300
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,900
Where is, where, you know, why is Alia not here yet?

1301
01:04:41,900 --> 01:04:43,380
Why is Paul killing?

1302
01:04:43,380 --> 01:04:45,080
What the fuck is going on here?

1303
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,400
They're off the rails.

1304
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:47,400
God damn it.

1305
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,520
Like it was very, like it's a, it's a good movie in the sense of movie and pacing and

1306
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:52,520
stuff like that.

1307
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,080
But it's not a good adaptation of the book of the source materials.

1308
01:04:56,080 --> 01:05:00,600
So it's kind of in that kind of gray area where it was a good movie because I didn't

1309
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,000
sit there and I wasn't like checking my watch or like, Hey, I gotta get out of here and

1310
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,000
blah, blah, blah.

1311
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,160
But it also wasn't a good adaptation of the materials.

1312
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:12,960
So anyway, I was checking my watch often because I was thinking about the review and I was

1313
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,520
trying to make my notes mentally.

1314
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:16,520
So I was clocking.

1315
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:17,520
Yeah.

1316
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,720
If I wasn't doing the show, I wouldn't have checked my watch.

1317
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:20,720
Obviously.

1318
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:21,720
Yes.

1319
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:27,480
And also I sat in the theater next to a person who had clearly not read the books and she

1320
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,320
got very excited about the woman power story.

1321
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:34,880
So they did hit with this middle-aged white woman in the middle of nowhere.

1322
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:35,880
Yep.

1323
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:37,120
They hit a demographic.

1324
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:38,360
They hit their demographic.

1325
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:42,280
The issue is that Dune's demographic is not that demographic.

1326
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:43,560
It's not that.

1327
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:44,560
That's not that.

1328
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:45,560
That's not the demographic.

1329
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,320
Well, the Dune demographic is both men and women.

1330
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:49,320
Oh yes.

1331
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,560
We're too late in the episode to get too deep into it, but the original demographic

1332
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,120
was college-aged students, period.

1333
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:57,120
That was it.

1334
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:03,520
Boys, girls, college-aged students, and it's the best-selling sci-fi franchise ever.

1335
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:04,520
For a reason.

1336
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:05,520
For a reason.

1337
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:12,320
It's supposed to be your college book club, you read Dune, right?

1338
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:13,320
Yes.

1339
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,920
And this is not that.

1340
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,960
It's kind of like Harry Potter is for both boys and girls, right?

1341
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:24,600
Dune is for both boys and girls, but it's for a specific group.

1342
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:25,600
Yes.

1343
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:29,840
So anyway, we would recommend... I'm going to buy the DVD because Sarah wants to watch

1344
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:30,840
it.

1345
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,040
I'll probably never watch the DVD again, but I'll watch it one more time.

1346
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:35,040
Yeah.

1347
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:39,600
I bought the... I was going to wait and not buy the first Blu-ray because they're probably

1348
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,680
going to put out a really sick two-disc edition of one and two.

1349
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:49,680
I don't know if I'll buy two, maybe, if it's cheap and on sale at some point, I guess.

1350
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,800
I don't know that I'd necessarily watch it again.

1351
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,840
I might buy the Blu-ray or whatever just for the sake of... If there are diluted scenes

1352
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:57,920
on there, I'd be very curious to see what they are.

1353
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,360
I bought the first Blu-ray the day it came out because they had not announced that they

1354
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:05,240
were going to make the second film yet, and I wanted sales.

1355
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:10,680
I'm like, I can only do it once, so I'm going to spend my whatever dollars.

1356
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:14,520
You did your part to get the Girl Power story into the Dune universe, Mike.

1357
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:15,520
I did.

1358
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,720
I watched Dune one twice in theaters.

1359
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:18,720
Yeah.

1360
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:23,160
Well, actually, the Girl Power story is very prevalent in Dune, in the Dune universe, in

1361
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:28,040
the Dune main timeline even, just maybe not as prevalent in the first book as it is in

1362
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:29,040
later books.

1363
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:30,200
I don't know why they had the issue here.

1364
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:34,720
The Girl Power story is prevalent even with Cheney and with Jessica.

1365
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,760
It's just not the Girl Power story they feel comfortable telling.

1366
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,320
They don't want to tell.

1367
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:44,760
From my perspective, it's like negative Girl Power story where they're murderous.

1368
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,520
They're psychos.

1369
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,760
And they are concubines.

1370
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:56,840
I don't understand in our modern society with all of the fucking women doing OnlyFans why

1371
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:02,320
they wouldn't want to have a strong concubine story in the Dune universe, which is already

1372
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:03,320
there.

1373
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,680
Anyway, we don't need to bog this down.

1374
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,160
The scar is great.

1375
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:11,600
If you like good movies, watch Dune one and two, if you really think you're digging the

1376
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:16,640
Dune stuff and want to see the differences, I highly recommend reading the books or listening

1377
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:21,000
to the audiobooks of at least the first eight in the main timeline.

1378
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,440
They're classic for a reason.

1379
01:08:22,440 --> 01:08:23,440
Indeed.

1380
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:24,440
Thanks for listening.

1381
01:08:24,440 --> 01:08:26,200
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1382
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:30,080
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1383
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,120
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1384
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:38,360
And if you join our oh, I can't remember now, there's a level where you can get the next

1385
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:40,200
five or so cigars we're smoking.

1386
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,880
So you can go out and buy them before the episodes even air.

1387
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,560
And then you can light up the same stick we're smoking and smoke it while we're talking about

1388
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,820
Dune or other things that we might talk about.

1389
01:08:49,820 --> 01:08:52,120
So if you think that might be kind of neat, check it out.

1390
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:53,540
Otherwise, thanks for listening.

1391
01:08:53,540 --> 01:09:09,120
Be safe, have fun, and the spice must flow.