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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Nate.

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And I'm Mike.

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What are we smoking today, Nate?

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So I know Mike had this grandiose plan for season three where we would only smoke very

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budget sticks.

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But the problem is that I don't like following rules as we've established from our very first

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meeting with one another.

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And I last year, a year ago now, I was advertised to and gosh darn it, if the advertisements

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didn't work.

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So I ran out and got these limited edition cigars from Alec Bradley.

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This is a Shamrock Filthy Hooligan and it's a Tri-Leaf wrapper cigar that looks fantastic.

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Check the episode image for a picture of it.

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But these are limited edition and they came out last year, so 2023 around St. Patty's

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Day.

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And we're a little bit late now, but we're still going to smoke these this year and talk

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about them because they've been sitting in our humidor's for a year and we've been looking

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at them and like, boy, boy, we can't wait.

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Right.

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And I'm assuming that this episode is going to come out just before St. Patty's Day.

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It'll be just after.

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Oh, it's just after.

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Okay.

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So these cigars will probably still be at your local cigar shop if it's just after.

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It's a chance, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because I've been looking forward to this.

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This is tremendous.

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Incredible shelf appeal.

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Even the cap, because they have a swirl pattern with a natural green leaf Connecticut and

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a Maduro and the cap even has the tricoloring into it.

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Mine had a green cap, but then it had a Maduro on the edges.

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It was really nice.

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Yes.

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Great shelf appeal.

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If I saw this at a cigar shop, I don't think anything could stop me from buying it.

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Assuming that it wasn't like a hundred dollars or something.

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Like I'm pretty sure I would just impulse buy it.

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It wasn't a hundred dollars, but hopefully it'll be well worth the money we spent.

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This is more than we normally spend on sticks for our show.

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But like I said, the pictures of these showed up in my email inbox and I was like, holy

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cow, those look fantastic.

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And then it said limited edition.

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And the only other thing that would have gotten me out of the door faster, pre-Kathleen Kennedy

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days would be limited edition Star Wars, whatever.

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But now we all know how that goes.

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So let's light this thing up and then we'll talk about what we're talking about, Mike.

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All righty.

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All right.

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We're lit.

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We're going to do first thoughts in just a second.

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But I wanted to put out an ask for any of you listening to us, if you listen to us, whatever

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platform you listen to us on, if you have a moment and you're not subscribed, go ahead

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and subscribe.

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But if you have an extra moment, if you wanted to write a review for our show on whichever

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platform it is, you listen to us, that would help us get a little bit more visibility with

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the algorithms and things like that.

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If not, no big deal.

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Not asking you to make stuff up and say we're the greatest thing ever.

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Just something truthful would be nice.

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But yeah, first thoughts, Mike, it's got that acetone flavor that cigars have occasionally.

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It does.

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The first couple of puffs.

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And usually that burns off in the first half inch, quarter to half inch maybe.

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Not an overwhelming start for something with an overwhelming...

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There are deeper under notes.

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But it's not an overwhelming start.

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There's been some cigars we've smoked and they've been just kind of wow from the first

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But I'm willing to wait on this one.

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Let's see what it brings.

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Like I say, this has got to be the nicest looking cigar I've ever seen.

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It's tremendous, truly.

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Beautiful.

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So we went as a family down to the art museum.

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Real quick story before we get into our topic, whatever that may be.

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Sure, sure.

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And we went down to the art museum and we were wandering around and I walked through

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this gallery and it had a little sign on it that said some images in here might be...

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You know how they do.

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Like might be upsetting for some people.

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And so I walked in and it was this...

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All of these pictures were painted by a Native American who said that he thought all of his

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paintings kind of like went with songs and things like that.

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And I didn't really bother to read all the plaques, but it was a lot of like Native Americans

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And there were Native Americans and white people and the white people had captions above

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their heads like, I lied to you and I'll lie to you again.

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And there was one that had like a white man standing behind a Native American woman whose

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crotch was bleeding.

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And it was kind of like all of these things.

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And you know, like I get it on one hand, but on the other hand, if you would reverse the

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roles, right?

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And they were making fun of anybody else or painting pictures like this about anyone else,

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any other racial group, it would be flat out blatant racism.

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You know, and some of this stuff was historical, I'm sure.

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I don't know.

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It felt kind of weird, but I guess like art's supposed to challenge you, right?

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In some ways.

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It all depends.

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It's very in vogue right now to what I would say be racist against white people and to

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negate any facts that are not supporting the idea that the white man is responsible for

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all the evil in the whole world.

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Well, and you've seen those memes online, right?

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Where people will ask like the AI programs to tell them a joke about white people and

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it will tell them a joke.

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And then they say, tell me a joke about black people.

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And the AI comes back and says, I'm sorry, that would violate my terms or whatever.

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That doesn't surprise me.

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We're going to talk about that in the episode because-

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We are.

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Yeah, we are.

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So today we're going to talk about AI.

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It's a hot topic.

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It will be a hot topic for the rest of our lives.

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Maybe we'll make a prediction or two.

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So let's get into it.

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I am the one that did the research.

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So we're going to start off with what AI is because there's a lot of confusion.

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Yeah, there's a lot of confusion.

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On AI or current level.

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Oh, go ahead.

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I'm sorry, Mike.

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I just, for our listeners who have not had any interaction with AI, I fought kind of

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embracing AI because I've seen Terminator.

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But our show utilizes AI in a couple of different ways.

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Our content is not generated by AI.

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That's all Mike and myself.

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But the audio transcripts, if you're a podcast transcript person, that's all generated by

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AI.

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And I've been utilizing a transcript AI tool that will summarize episodes so I can put

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that in the description and it gives me the keywords, the tags, the hashtags.

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So we're using it on the show to a limited extent, right?

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We're not using it to generate content.

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We're not doing any of that.

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It's just basically a nice way to summarize or to convert our audio to text that we can

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summarize and things.

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So I just wanted to kind of like level set because some people think AI and they're thinking,

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you know, oh, they made a whole movie with AI or they made all these fake images with

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AI or they did all this crazy stuff.

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They're rewriting books with AI.

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And it's like, well, you can also use it for just a tool like a computer before that, the

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typewriter and then the calligraphy pen and slate and stone or whatever.

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So go ahead, Mike, the modern AI.

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All right, so there's confusion about what AI is because they're selling it as like a

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thinking machine and it is not.

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What AI programs currently do is they analyze data by finding patterns in the data set they're

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provided with and the pattern that they find is what would be called like focused by a

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prompt.

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So you prompt the AI or the algorithm.

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You're initiating a query.

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It uses its data.

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And the thing about intelligent AI is that it can use its previous searches and feedback

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from those searches to refine future searches.

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So now we're on like 10 years of this AI that's been corrected and corrected and corrected

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and corrected by human input.

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And it's becoming accurate for the first time, like truly accurate.

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And it's only because it's got so much input.

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And that's the thing, like I would equivalent.

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That's right.

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That's the right saying wording.

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Equivocate, I think is what you meant.

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That's all right.

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Equivocate.

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I don't know.

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I would I guess I would say that like so like chat GPT.

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Let's just say that I've got that one on my phone.

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I've used it to kind of like rework some of the sections on my resume to help me write

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cover letters and things like that, where AI is different than say a Google search,

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because when Google first came out, learning how to use the search box drastically dictated

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what success you had with Google.

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And the same thing with AI, you have to have a good prompt.

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But the thing that differentiates AI between like a Google search box is in Google, you

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would type in, you know, black socks.

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And then if you wanted to look for black men's socks, you would have to type in black men's

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socks.

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Whereas if you're using AI, you could say show me black socks, and it would say, okay,

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and then you and then you could just type in say, no, no, I wanted men's socks, and

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it would show you men's black socks, because it would remember your previous input from

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So it's kind of like, to an extent, to simplify it down.

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It's like an advanced search box almost, except it can, this is where things get a little

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dicey.

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I'm sure Mike will talk about this a little bit, but it can generate responses that aren't

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just hyperlinks or product images, right?

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It can it can generate emails, it can generate, you know, that comes from being able to use

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previous search queries.

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So it's not just using yours, it's using everybody's.

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So when you ask an AI generator that focuses on images to create an image of Freud based

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on somebody's style, makes it somebody else's style, it's already done Freud, it's already

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done the one artist style, it's already done the other artist style.

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So it can blend it together because it has many years history of having done this before.

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So the earlier versions were pretty archaic, and he couldn't really do it.

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and to combine.

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And that's a pretty powerful tool.

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And it's going to get more powerful.

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As time goes on, it's only going to get more accurate.

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So I think about it.

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Yeah, like we're already experiencing it with all those social media platforms.

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There's no moderator human being on social media.

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It's all AI.

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They're finding search queries or terms or phrases and doing a meta analysis and then

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banning people based on that.

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There's no human being that's involved with it.

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And they're analyzing like video on YouTube and everything else.

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So yeah, and I know even like Google is using AI in their search box or integrating that

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into their search box to be more relevant.

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Multiple platforms are using AI to generate quick responses to answers or quick responses

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to questions.

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So I searched up something about a foot issue and it gave me the answer right there.

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Like it's most likely this.

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You can fix it with this.

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You know, it's pretty handy and that's not a specialized chat box.

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So the real question, and this is the long term repercussion.

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Yeah, you didn't go to Dr. AI.

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You just went to the standard AI box, right?

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Yeah, I went to the standard AI box.

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I didn't go to like, not even WebMD, but like, you know what I mean?

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I didn't use a specific chat box.

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So there will be.

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It would be so easy to program WebMD's AI because all you have to tell it is whatever

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they ask, tell them they have cancer.

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So that's a joke because like usually when you search things on Google, WebMD comes up

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with the worst thing ever.

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This is like it could be a headache or it could be cancer.

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Right now, today in 2024, there's been a chat box that's passed the bar exam in California.

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Right now in 2024, the best chess and Go player on the planet is an AI.

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I've done some research and as of today, there is no reason to have a doctor, an accountant,

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a pharmacist, a data analyst, any sort of secretarial work.

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None of those people should have jobs today.

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Like we are capable of creating a chat bot that has all every medical case that's ever

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existed anywhere that you could download the app on your phone that's provided by your

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insurance company and it could give you the answer to your question as long as you put

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accurate data into it.

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It's just a matter of you having your own blood pressure cuff and giving it the answers.

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Right.

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Like there is really no reason to go to a general practitioner doctor.

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Yeah.

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And if you paired it with say an Apple watch or a Fitbit that measure, say your heart rate

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and other things, like some of those measure your sleep patterns and stuff if you wear

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them.

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So, and with your phone's camera, it could see things quicker, faster and diagnose things

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with more speed and accuracy than a human could because I know I've been trying to implement

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some stuff in my professional life and I was told that, and this was just for optical character

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recognition, but I was told that that has about a 91% accuracy rate and I have to believe

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like humans inputting data is way, way less than that, 40, 50% maybe.

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So I don't see why you like at least the very first line of defense wouldn't be AI.

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Absolutely.

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For some of these things like.

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The progression has been really fast.

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So I, again, I did some background research in 2015, Google AI had a kerfuffle because

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it was labeling pictures of black people as gorillas and things like that.

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Do you remember that happening?

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I remember that happening.

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Yes.

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So I do.

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And that's like the machine learning algorithm, right?

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Yeah.

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And that's incorrect.

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Basically, it needed more training.

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So what they did is it needed that interaction to be told no to so it could learn.

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So what they did is they just blocked the answer gorilla from ever coming out.

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It would just say, don't know.

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You tell me, right?

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And that's how they fixed it.

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And now it doesn't do that anymore.

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So these are dumb computers.

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So in 2020, the same AI bot would have difficulties telling if it was a dog or a wolf or a cow,

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depending on the background.

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And it would automatically assume that a black hand holding something was a gun, stuff like

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that.

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And they got heat for that too.

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But it did advance.

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To be fair to, not that I should, but to be fair to Google or to be fair to AI algorithms

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and programs and things like that, they feed these programs from the internet.

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And I don't know if any of you have ventured onto the internet lately, but there are large

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swaths of the internet that are very, very racist and very not politically correct.

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And whatever, whatever you like is what you like.

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But these things are trained on mass data.

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They have access to the internet.

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They can look things up themselves or the algorithms can and reference other things.

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So depending on what they were fed, if some racist person makes a hundred posts and Mike

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makes one post and they're only shown those two posts, the AI is going to think that all

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humans post racist things 99 times or 99% of the time, which is not necessarily a true

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thing.

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That's why they need that training.

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Right.

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They need the training.

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And then that is where like the sinister part of this comes in is that you can heavily influence

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the output of the AI based on two things, which is the data set.

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So if you remove data from the data set, it'll never come up with new data.

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It can't generate something new.

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It can only combine things that already exist.

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And then two is if you put in the algorithm that it cannot answer X, it'll never give

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that answer even if it's correct.

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So you can block it from saying the true thing if you don't want it to say that that's not

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serious when it's something like black people's being gorillas, right?

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Like that's just polite or whatever.

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But it could come up with something sinister.

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We could all imagine something sinister depending on who created it.

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Especially when you're talking about Dr. Bond, who's like, if they say, prescribe opioids

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times 1.5, it'll come up with opioids as the answer to your problem one and a half times

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more than it automatically should.

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You'll wait the answer to where you want it to be.

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You can minimize the answer to other things given whatever drug company or insurance company.

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Yeah.

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And if you're in Canada, you'd program it to suggest suicide, doctor assisted suicide

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for what, 70% of the cases or something?

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Yeah.

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I mean, those are, I'm just making a joke at some of the things I've seen it meme wise,

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but you could, and it could be doctor.

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It could be something even like, let's take another favorite movie of mine and maybe Mike

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's, I don't know if we ever talked about it, but office space where they make a program

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to shave off fractions of a penny, but he forgot he put the decimal in the wrong place.

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So let's imagine you have the accountant bot and it's doing your taxes for you, but you

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told it to purposely miscalculate.

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And then suddenly you've got the entire nation is committing tax fraud or something.

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So it could be any number of things, I suppose.

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And we're nearly there with accountant bot to do taxes because like last year I did my

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taxes with a program and all I did was click yes or no, yes or no, yes or no.

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That's pretty much what AI is.

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You're doing a yes, no input.

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And I haven't done my taxes this year, but I would bet you dollars that I'm going to

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put in.

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I have more than just my W2 unfortunately.

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So I can't use, cause there's a free program.

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If you only have a W2 that you can literally, it'll just, the AI is free.

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Anybody that has more than just the W2, you have to buy it for like 40 bucks or whatever

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the hell it is.

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But this year I shouldn't have to do any of that.

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Yes, no shit.

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I already have all my answers.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah, for sure.

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So it's, it's, it's going to change the way things are done.

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I mean, just think about your local pharmacist.

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They're supposed to check to see what drugs you're on so that you don't get killed by

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a prescription, but a computer's already doing that.

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There's no reason for the pharmacist.

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You should just be able to go to the vending machine, you know, and have it dispensed out.

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Like they are literally a superfluous person.

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They're not mixing any drugs for you.

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It all comes in a bottle.

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No, so by and large not.

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Every once in a while they do.

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I've seen a mix some things like for our children, like with an ear infection, they mixed, I

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think it was basically watering it down, you know, to child strength.

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But I think by and large pharmacists don't do a whole lot of that anymore, at least at

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the, you know, Walgreens CVS.

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Right.

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Or the one inside Walmart or wherever.

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Which is where I'm going.

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Like, like my parents, they have all their shit delivered to them.

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Like they already have an AI.

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Hold on, Mike.

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I'm getting, I'm getting a flood of angry emails from pharmacists and they're calling

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for the cease and desist thing up.

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No, I'm just kidding.

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Oh, we're not trying to defend pharmacists.

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There are certain jobs like my job could be automated and I would be happy as long as

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they still paid me.

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Right.

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I mean, that's the big thing is these are going to take jobs, but then people have to

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still do something because our society evolved to the point where we have to have to have

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a job and money.

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And last year, AI bot passed the bar exam in California.

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So it can probably pass the bar exam everywhere.

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So why couldn't the AI bot, like you could literally defend yourself if you had the access

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to the AI lawyer bot or you could sue somebody with AI.

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And you're allowed to be on your phone in the courtroom, but it might be a good opportunity

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for public defenders.

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Why shouldn't you be allowed to use it?

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I don't know.

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I mean, but that's, I think that's part of the problem too, Mike.

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And I saw this when I was working for the Boy Scouts is the Boy Scouts had just launched

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an app with the Boy Scout handbook on it on phones, right?

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You know, phones, tablets, right?

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And a lot of the adults were saying, I don't want my kids to be on their phones on a camp

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out and blah, blah, blah.

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And I get it.

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I get it.

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You don't want people, you know, but I'm saying, look, they could be looking at the digital

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Boy Scout handbook app, you know, and interacting with that and learning things.

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They could be watching YouTube videos about first aid or how to build a lean to or whatever.

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They could be using it for good things.

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They could be using it for regular teenage things too.

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Like I don't know, but that's kind of-

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We have a societal disconnect between generations.

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Yeah, we have to be forward thinking about this.

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Otherwise we're going to be Blade Runner, dude.

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And I don't want to be Blade Runner society with fucking cyborgs killing people and other

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cyborgs hunting cyborgs and everybody living in like shanties.

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You know, we have to be forward thinking and become like the Star Wars, Star Trek society

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because we're at the verge of that right now.

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Like I am not joking.

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The more I research into it, it's going to affect my job.

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It's going to affect everybody, everybody's job is going to be affected and it's going

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to make my job.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to be more productive.

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They can't limit like when they finally eliminate somebody like a plumber or a electrician or

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a welder, then nobody's going to have a job anymore.

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You know what I mean?

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Like that's the last line of defense, so to speak.

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Yeah.

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So it's a two prong process, right?

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Before this actually ends up putting a lot of people out of work, whatever that means,

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that sounds like a bad thing.

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It could be a good thing.

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We'll finally go back to that society where we're eating grapes and having naked bath

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orgies and things like in the Roman times.

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An AI on a computer is limited to that computer, to that screen, to that device, to wherever

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the internet is.

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So an AI right now can't come in and rewire my house.

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It can't come in and fix the leak in the toilet.

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So you have to couple that with, you know, robotics or something.

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Right.

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Well, the real issue is, you know, or the real benefit is you're going to hire the electrician

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to come in and fix your shit.

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They're going to have instantaneous access to every rule that is applicable and they

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might even be able to have methods available so they can put data in and get out how to

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do it like instantly.

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So it's going to lower my or my, any electrician is going to have to lower their rates because

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their specialty is going to be worth less money, you know?

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And that's, we're going to talk about that too, because...

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I was going to say, I'll make you more efficient, but if you know how to use the tool like you,

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I'm guessing you being a classically trained electrician versus me not being that.

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If I had ElectroBot 2000, let's say, and you had ElectroBot 2000 and you plugged in and

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said, ElectroBot 2000, I need to wire this, that, and the other thing, you know, with

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your specific lingo of how you know how to talk, electrician, right?

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The industry words.

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And you would be more efficient with ElectroBot 2000 than I would be because I wouldn't have

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the right lingo and it would give me answers that I wouldn't understand and it would get

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me to a point where I'd be like, explain that, but like I'm stupid.

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And then it would dumb it down for me and I might still be able to do it, but it would

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still take me longer because I don't have that skillset of generating in my brain the

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correct prompt for the AI bot.

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So I think there's still going to be people interacting, but you know, like I can Google

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better than most people I know and find things that most people I know can't.

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So there's, it's definitely a skillset that you learn either by training or by being really

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bored in college when the internet was kind of newish.

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So right.

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Like I had computer classes about how to search on the internet.

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Like I have lessons about how to use search boxes.

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So I also can search things and find them that apparently other people have difficulty

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with.

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I've never had an issue finding any information on the internet.

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I've never had any, any issue either.

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Yeah, ever.

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So it's always interesting.

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So I'm going to do a little data analysis for you here because there's some.

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Are you about halfway with your stick or no?

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I am, maybe not halfway.

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Yeah.

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I'm, I'm just about there.

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Let's do that before we do your data analysis.

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I think the acetone taste was gone by about half an inch in.

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Yes.

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I don't know.

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I would call this a fairly mellow cigar.

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I would call it if I had to describe it and we're so, so snooty when we describe it,

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it's dark and it's creamy and some very, very smooth.

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Yeah.

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I was thinking like Woody, like a little Oki or something.

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Yeah, it's very good.

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Very good.

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Very good.

483
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:54,920
Yeah.

484
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:55,920
I like it.

485
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:56,920
It's been consistent.

486
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,840
I haven't noticed any kind of changes outside of that first half inch with the acetone and

487
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,960
I've never, I've never smoked anything that's had a natural leaf on it, even in part.

488
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,920
So this is pretty, it's exciting for me.

489
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,600
I think I've had a natural cigar once like the green leaf cigar, but it's been so long

490
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:17,080
ago that I'm not even sure if I'm remembering it or if it's in my, if I'm imagining it,

491
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,080
you know what I mean?

492
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,480
Like I'm not certain that I have.

493
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,480
Yeah.

494
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,480
Yeah.

495
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,000
Well, and I, and I, correct me if I'm wrong, Mike, and I don't know if you were telling

496
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,560
me this or somebody else was telling me this because now that we have a cigar podcast,

497
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:33,040
I find I'm talking about cigar cigars with other people more often, but somebody was

498
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,860
telling, telling me that a green leaf cigar like that, you can smoke it like within the

499
00:23:37,860 --> 00:23:43,400
first couple of days that it's been rolled or it has to sit for a while or else the wrapper

500
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,560
will make you sick.

501
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,560
Yes.

502
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,960
You could smoke it right away as it's rolled within the first week and then you have to

503
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,680
let it sit in a humid or for about six months before you can smoke it.

504
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,680
Yeah.

505
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:54,680
Yeah.

506
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,640
Down in Mexico, a lot of the resorts have hand rolled cigars, things like that.

507
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,840
I've never gone to one that had, I've never been to a Mexican resort of any kind.

508
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:02,840
Oh, me either.

509
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:03,840
But I've never been to a resort that had a cigar.

510
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,600
That might be nice as is season four.

511
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,600
We'll see.

512
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:07,600
I'll be honest with you.

513
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:08,600
I don't think I've ever been to a resort.

514
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:09,600
Yeah, I don't.

515
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:10,600
I went to Steamboat Bay Resort.

516
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,600
Okay.

517
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,600
I mean, I guess I've been to some resorts, but they've been kind of like, I don't know,

518
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,600
I've never been to a resort.

519
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,600
I've never been to a resort.

520
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,600
I've never been to a resort.

521
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,760
I mean, I guess I've been to some resorts, but they've been kind of like the, yeah, they've

522
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:26,320
kind of been like the Northwoods, like places where they're not the all inclusive Mexican

523
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,120
kind of like get drunk and lounge in the pool fests.

524
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:30,120
You know what I mean?

525
00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:31,120
Right.

526
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:32,120
Yeah.

527
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:35,160
Long story short, as I knew the previous owner of Steamboat Bay, I was friends with their

528
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,600
son and we went, I've been there because I knew him.

529
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:44,200
I didn't stay at Steamboat Bay Resort, which is like a fishing resort, you know, with dinghy

530
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,760
boats on Leech Lake.

531
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,760
So yeah.

532
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,000
I figured it was either fishing or bowling related.

533
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,360
So yeah, yeah, yeah.

534
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:52,360
Always is right.

535
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:53,360
Data analysis.

536
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:54,360
Yeah.

537
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:55,360
Yeah.

538
00:24:55,360 --> 00:25:00,040
So there's some disagreement and my theory is that they don't want to freak people out.

539
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,600
They don't want riots on the street.

540
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,320
So the major publications are saying one thing, but then if you look at the actual people

541
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,760
who are involved in AI, they're saying a totally different thing.

542
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:15,600
So according to CBS, a fifth of jobs will be eliminated by 2040 and two thirds will

543
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:20,040
be economically devalued by AI by 2040.

544
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,280
That's significant media wise, right?

545
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,280
Yeah.

546
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,860
That's what the mainstream media is telling us.

547
00:25:25,860 --> 00:25:31,360
But I found a guy, I found a guy named Ben Goertzel and he runs a company that is developing

548
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:32,980
AI on purpose.

549
00:25:32,980 --> 00:25:34,240
That's the only thing he's doing.

550
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,240
And he predicts that by 2030.

551
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,240
I don't know how he could develop AI accidentally.

552
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,880
Well, this is his he's a nerd and his only job is to do this and he's in his fifties.

553
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,560
So he was part of the original dot com system.

554
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:45,560
Right?

555
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:46,560
Yeah.

556
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,080
So he's here to chew bubble gum and develop AI and he's all out of bubble gum.

557
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,080
That's right.

558
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:55,520
He predicts that by 2030, 80% of all jobs will be eliminated.

559
00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:01,320
And basically any sort of human level analysis will be gone.

560
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,520
Like every analysis will be done by a computer.

561
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,680
So he's predicting like massive societal change right around the corner.

562
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:09,680
Yeah.

563
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,040
Let's talk about that for a second, Mike, because even the media's, which we do or which

564
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,760
I assumed when you said the media's analysis, I assumed it was watered down, right?

565
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:24,200
Like it's not the full true story, but even the media's analysis is a pretty big shift,

566
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,720
is a pretty big change.

567
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,840
Two thirds devalued and whatever percentage you said.

568
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,440
You can see I can't keep numbers in my head.

569
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,640
So AI should do my analysis for me.

570
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:33,640
Right, right.

571
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,600
But even what the media is saying is going to be a big shift.

572
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:42,080
So and what the actuality is going to be is going to be an even larger shift.

573
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:47,080
So I wonder, I don't think as our society is currently structured and as our economy

574
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:52,000
is currently structured and as our, I don't know, country is currently structured, I don't

575
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:58,560
think that that's going to mean good happy times for that 80% that don't have jobs.

576
00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,560
No, no.

577
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:00,560
I've been following it.

578
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:06,480
It hasn't been on like the television a lot, but it's been around on like alternative media

579
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,480
sources.

580
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,400
There's been major layoffs in the tech sector for the last two years.

581
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:15,620
And IBM in 2023 announced that they are going to eliminate 30% of all positions at the company

582
00:27:15,620 --> 00:27:18,900
and replace their research teams with AI.

583
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:21,900
So IBM itself is going to start cutting.

584
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:25,620
And that's the first, obviously tech sector is going to be the first ones to start cutting

585
00:27:25,620 --> 00:27:27,680
their people, but it's going to spread.

586
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:28,680
Yes.

587
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,820
So why would you go bankrupt going to the doctor when in 22 the chat bot was a better

588
00:27:33,820 --> 00:27:36,960
doctor than half of the doctors in 2022?

589
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,320
So what is it like right now?

590
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,320
You know?

591
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,360
Yeah, I'm thinking so people can go to the, to the doctor bot, but if people don't have

592
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:51,360
jobs or if they have lower paying jobs, right, or whatever jobs that AI can't do right now,

593
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:56,480
anyway, even if they charge the same amount that they're charging now for healthcare for

594
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,400
that chat bot AI, right, like they just switched the provider and the insurance pays the rich

595
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,840
people who own the chat bot, they won't be able to charge those prices because nobody

596
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,520
would be able to use any of them.

597
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,400
Or there'd be some kind of like black market human doctors that are offering, you know,

598
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,480
like $20 healthcare, you know, and you might see like these black markets pop up around

599
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,880
these sectors that have been completely taken over by AI, unless our society and culture

600
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,320
changes something drastically about how we interact with all of these different services.

601
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:29,160
And I know in Europe, they've, they've done studies where they've actually done trials

602
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,600
of a four day work week where they just cut a day out and they don't actually make up

603
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,280
the extra eight hours, but they pay them as if they worked that day, you know, and the

604
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:43,340
productivity on the human side has gone way up and happiness has gone way up and the drain

605
00:28:43,340 --> 00:28:45,180
on the healthcare has gone way down.

606
00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:51,180
So I think maybe with maybe AI can be the thing that might finally shake the, the American

607
00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:55,560
corporatist hold on our healthcare and wellbeing.

608
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,560
Maybe I mean, that's the optimistic view, right?

609
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:03,600
Well, so the most optimistic view is that we undergo a radical change as a global society

610
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:10,740
and that we more or less eliminate work for money and that people will do jobs that are

611
00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:13,000
passion based jobs only.

612
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,000
Yeah.

613
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,840
So people aren't going to stop farming if they stop being paid.

614
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,280
It might even help farming because farmers have a hard time making their farms run because

615
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,620
of the profit motive a lot of times and people want to be farmers, right?

616
00:29:26,620 --> 00:29:30,880
We won't not have school teachers, people who are school teachers already work for free

617
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:31,880
more or less.

618
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:32,880
They don't get paid anything.

619
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,680
They don't get paid enough to pay their own bills, social workers, you know, carpenters,

620
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,180
potentially some electricians, some tradesmen, certainly welding.

621
00:29:42,180 --> 00:29:45,300
These are things that people want to do and enjoy doing.

622
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:48,640
They're not going to stop doing it just because you stop paying them.

623
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,600
That's what they do for fun anyway.

624
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,360
And I think that for jobs that have to get done that people don't want to do, the work

625
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,200
day will become, the work week will become like 20 hours because people are going to

626
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,200
need jobs.

627
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,040
You're going to have to have some sort of economy.

628
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,040
Yeah.

629
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,040
And it'll have to come.

630
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:10,680
So like the jobs that AI can't do that people have to do, it will have to become a kind

631
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,640
of like a salaried thing.

632
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,480
It's not going to be somebody sitting there making sure you're logged in eight hours a

633
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,940
day doing sewer cleanup or something, right?

634
00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:22,280
It's going to be, you just go and clean it up and then you're done and you still get

635
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,480
paid your amount because it's just the consumerist nature.

636
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,700
I mean, a lot of the things that we buy are already created, not created, but like manufactured

637
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:33,240
by robots and like machines, right?

638
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,000
They're just right off the assembly line.

639
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,200
And then we pay money and then people collect that money and then we get the thing.

640
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,280
But if we don't have money coming in, we can't buy the thing.

641
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,420
But nobody really wants to work really.

642
00:30:43,420 --> 00:30:48,440
And if we have the economy that we currently have, even plumbers and welders and the people

643
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,640
you said who would still work because they enjoy the work aren't really going to keep

644
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,680
doing the work if they can't cover their basic needs.

645
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,540
At least they have a skill to let them cover the basic needs.

646
00:30:58,540 --> 00:31:03,720
But other people like my job, sales enablement analyst, yeah, and AI can do that right now

647
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,760
today and do it better than I can probably, you know, because they can look at every sales

648
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,120
enablement analyst ever.

649
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,680
But here's my question, Mike, if what that guy said was true and 80% of the jobs are

650
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,760
going to be obsolete because AI, will we be stuck?

651
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:23,240
Will that be like freezing our society and technological advancements like an amber,

652
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,840
like just freezing it right here?

653
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:31,120
Because right now AI, and you just told us, AI can't create original artwork necessarily.

654
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:36,620
It can be prompted to do a mix of styles and things, but AI is not going to sit there on

655
00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:42,840
its own and create, you know, I want something that looks like Edward Bunch's Scream and

656
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,240
Vincent Van Gogh's Starry Night mixed together.

657
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,240
Like it's not going to do that on its own.

658
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,240
So the innovation, you're telling me right now, AI can't innovate.

659
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,400
It can make things more efficient.

660
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:58,420
It can tell you trends, but it's not really going to tell us like, hey, the next step

661
00:31:58,420 --> 00:31:59,920
in AI is this.

662
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:05,020
Or if you want to solve that unsolvable mathematical problem, here's the answer, right?

663
00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:07,480
It has to have that input to draw upon, right?

664
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,480
Or am I wrong?

665
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,480
Right, right.

666
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:16,320
Well, some people in AI think that by the 2030 to 2040, possibly AI could be creative

667
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,720
because of the number of data transactions that occur.

668
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:25,040
What hopefully what we do as a society is do things like free education so that you

669
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:30,160
can get retrained to do something that's still necessary in our world and not go into bankruptcy

670
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,820
doing it because your job's going to be eliminated in 10 years again.

671
00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:39,880
Then we go to a more flowing sort of education based economy where people just keep on learning

672
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,600
new things and do different things with their life.

673
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,500
Also, we'll have to go more towards research and development and artistic creation and

674
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:48,640
things like that.

675
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,560
Everybody will be in research and development because there's no there's no reason not for

676
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,760
them to be in research and development because computers probably will never be able to do

677
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,760
creative research.

678
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,260
They'll be able to help the creative research, but they won't be the driving force behind

679
00:33:01,260 --> 00:33:02,260
it.

680
00:33:02,260 --> 00:33:04,160
I think that's the sort of world that we're going to have to move towards.

681
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,880
Maybe eventually, who knows?

682
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:14,360
Even in the fanciful Star Trek or other even other maybe more hard sci-fi stories, the

683
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:22,840
AI, they have their ideas and stuff, but it's always sterile and they want uniformity.

684
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,560
Humans don't really want that.

685
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,240
They want things that are provocative.

686
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,760
They want things that generate emotions and things like that.

687
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,840
I don't think that aspect of our society will change.

688
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,400
I think it'll change for the better.

689
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,480
People want to be in the local acting troupe.

690
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,840
They already do it for nothing.

691
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:40,840
You know what I mean?

692
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:46,160
Imagine how much better your local entertainment will be if there's more people who are able

693
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,560
to do entertainment because they're freed up from their bullshit day job.

694
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,560
Hopefully.

695
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,560
You can actually have a stage production.

696
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,560
There'll be a lot more drug addicts too.

697
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,560
Hell yeah.

698
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,720
I mean, do what you do safely.

699
00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:59,720
It's going to happen.

700
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,120
It's going to happen.

701
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,160
Yeah, of course it will.

702
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:10,080
I think the societal shift then will be... because there's already a huge societal stigma about

703
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,960
people who... I mean, the hustle culture, right?

704
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,840
You got to be working... I wake up and I'm going to get this bread and grind 100 whatever.

705
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,400
Jesus Christ.

706
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:25,280
A lot of that, in my opinion, is a product of the fact that we no longer have careers.

707
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,920
The middle class no longer exists.

708
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,360
We don't have good careers anymore.

709
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,120
We do, but a smaller percentage of people have those good careers.

710
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,240
People have to grind and struggle to make it work.

711
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:41,760
You have to do five different things to make ends meet.

712
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,080
AI will eliminate the ability to do that.

713
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,040
Instead of saying, hey, this is twisted and messed up.

714
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,960
There's so many people out there that have all of these great ideas.

715
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,280
Talk to anyone, I don't know, 18 and under.

716
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,800
Hopefully 16 and under.

717
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,320
They have all these crazy ideas and crazy invention ideas and just a very unique look

718
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,320
at things.

719
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:07,080
But then you lose that because that's not how our society is structured right now.

720
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,760
Back in... I'm not saying these were the good times, right?

721
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,720
Back in ancient times, you have what?

722
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:14,280
Plato and Seneca and Marcus Aurelius.

723
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:20,200
People that actually devoted big chunks of their day or lives to philosophy and thinking

724
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:25,760
about these bigger issues that affected all of humanity, regardless of anything.

725
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,880
We've really drifted away from that, I think.

726
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,200
There's not really new... Maybe there are, but there's not really new like, oh yes, we're

727
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,580
going to... Here's this philosopher.

728
00:35:35,580 --> 00:35:39,800
We have to go see him because he lives in this barrel on the side of the street and

729
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,720
he dispenses wisdom and yada, yada.

730
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:45,760
But maybe we could be more introspective.

731
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,160
There's a possibility that AI will cause more of that because people will have more free

732
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,440
time.

733
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,300
People who are currently productive, who want to stay productive will have to do something

734
00:35:57,300 --> 00:35:58,720
that is not being paid.

735
00:35:58,720 --> 00:35:59,720
You know what I mean?

736
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:00,720
So-

737
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:01,720
Yeah, yeah.

738
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:04,560
But as a society, we'll have to be able to look at people and say, look, they don't have

739
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:11,840
a job or they don't work as much as Mr. Grinding on LinkedIn from four in the morning till

740
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:12,840
10 at night.

741
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,720
And we won't be able to say, well, they're lazy.

742
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:17,760
Because people look at homeless people and they say, they're lazy.

743
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,000
They won't get a job, as if jobs are just there to be handed out like candy.

744
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,400
So I think there's going to be some shifts that are going to have to happen within the

745
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,160
societal mindset, cultural mindset towards some of these things.

746
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,920
Well, we're going to have to build public housing that is not dangerous.

747
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:39,440
We're going to have to possibly get away more police officers and have them work fewer hours.

748
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:45,320
But in a society where we don't have job competition from other careers, you might get people who

749
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,560
want to be police officers for 20 hours a week and then do training for whatever.

750
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,280
And then you wouldn't have as much burnout amongst those professions.

751
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,280
I think that...

752
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,120
Yeah, I'm all for working less time.

753
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,240
I mean, I don't...

754
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:58,240
People weren't...

755
00:36:58,240 --> 00:36:59,240
We'll have to.

756
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:00,240
I don't think people are here.

757
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:01,240
I don't think people are here to work.

758
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:03,240
That's not what the rich people say.

759
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:07,800
Obviously, because they're making money every time you work.

760
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,440
The boss makes a dollar, I make a dime.

761
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,760
That's why I shit on company time.

762
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,240
But people aren't here.

763
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:14,240
I'm not here.

764
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:18,720
Basically, my job is like a glorified call center, except I don't have to talk to anybody

765
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:21,720
on the phone, but I'm answering help tickets and things.

766
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:23,120
And that's all that I do.

767
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,720
And when I ask my boss, like, look, man, I'm just a call center employee.

768
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:28,720
And they're like, no, no, no, you're not.

769
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:29,720
You're not.

770
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:30,720
You do this and that.

771
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:32,880
And the other thing, I'm like, no, I'm basically a call center.

772
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,840
And AI could do this and anybody could do this.

773
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:42,840
But what AI might not be able to do is interact with the people in a way.

774
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,120
And I think about this mostly with the doctor bot.

775
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,760
The doctor bot is going to come in and be like, you got cancer.

776
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:48,880
You got four months.

777
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,480
Whereas a human would deliver that news differently or more humanly, I guess.

778
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,520
I suppose you could train AI, but until we get used to talking to robots and things,

779
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,520
it's going to be weird.

780
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,720
But there's something about that human connection and that's where the art and stuff like writing

781
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:07,360
and filmmaking and music and all that kind of stuff.

782
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,360
I don't know.

783
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,520
I mean, I want to be optimistic about it.

784
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,520
I do.

785
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,520
I do.

786
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,280
Disney announced that they're moving their animation studio to Canada.

787
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,920
And there's two reasons.

788
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,640
One, they can use AI there legally.

789
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,680
There's no barrier to using AI so they can eliminate employees.

790
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,400
And two, there's no law that says they can't be discriminatory in their hiring practices,

791
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,840
which currently they got exposed as potentially having illegal hiring practices.

792
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,560
Yeah, I saw that.

793
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,560
Yes.

794
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,520
Allegedly, they have been using illegal hiring practices and they could be prosecuted for

795
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:37,520
it.

796
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,640
So they're moving out of country so that they can do what they want without any consequences.

797
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,600
And that's just going to continue to happen.

798
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:46,600
That's the trend.

799
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:47,600
Right?

800
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,640
So it's going to be a matter of whether we as individuals want to consume that product

801
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,320
and punish them with our dollar.

802
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,800
Yeah, which they own so many other companies.

803
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,720
I didn't know this until I think five years ago that Disney owns Touchstone.

804
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,000
That's Disney's adult film.

805
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,640
I don't want to say adult film like raunchy hardcore pornography, but anything that's

806
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,080
PG-13 and above goes to Touchstone.

807
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,000
Didn't they buy Miramax too?

808
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,000
They own almost everything.

809
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,640
Yeah, it's like WB and Disney own damn near everything other than independent film.

810
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,920
And we talked about this, like we can't vote with our dollar because even if we do, it's

811
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,440
still going to them somehow because they own everything.

812
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,160
But that's what I mean.

813
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,000
The optimist in me is AI is going to take a lot of these mundane things that people

814
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,040
just don't like doing that aren't rewarding.

815
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,520
Me answering help cases on an internet queue is not rewarding.

816
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:43,700
Sure, I'm helping the salespeople do their job and close deals.

817
00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:47,080
But whether if I'm able to help them or not, it doesn't really have a bearing on my life

818
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,000
or my income or my lifestyle or anything like that.

819
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,760
And so of course AI should do that.

820
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,760
Of course it should.

821
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,640
In the future, I truly believe the only jobs that will be left are jobs that people want

822
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,640
to do.

823
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:58,800
Now this might not happen in our lifetime.

824
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,360
We'll probably live in a hellscape.

825
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,360
Yeah.

826
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,360
Long term, right?

827
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,760
As if we haven't been already, Mike.

828
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,560
To an extent, I mean, we've lived through three economic depressions.

829
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,800
A 20 year war.

830
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,800
A 20 year war.

831
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,000
Three economic depressions, a massive pandemic.

832
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:23,200
A massive pandemic that could allegedly have been caused by accident by our own research

833
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,680
labs, allegedly, right?

834
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,200
And to top it all off, now we have to choose between two senile old bats for president.

835
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:36,160
Well, that's one of the big issues is that our leadership worldwide, our leadership is

836
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,320
not the correct leadership to deal with this issue.

837
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,000
It's not even just the United States.

838
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,000
It's everybody.

839
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,440
I would just say it's not the right age demographic to be leading us into this new uncharted territory.

840
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:51,040
Not one presidential candidate, including third party, is under 70 years old.

841
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,040
Yeah.

842
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,040
Right?

843
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,040
Because RFK Jr.

844
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,040
Yep.

845
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,040
What's her face?

846
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,040
Jill Stein.

847
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,040
Obviously the two major candidates.

848
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,040
Cornel West.

849
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,160
Well, I'm more on the precipice of World War III.

850
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,160
Yeah, continually.

851
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,520
Did you see the Putin interview with Tucker Carlson?

852
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:06,520
No, I didn't.

853
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:07,520
No, I heard about it though.

854
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:08,760
It was two hours long and I watched it.

855
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,960
I watched the Oliver Stone interview years ago with Putin and I watched the interview

856
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,080
that he did during the Trump administration.

857
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:20,400
And I am not a supporter of Russia here, guys, but listening to him talk and watching him

858
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,880
do interviews makes me wish that we had somebody as competent as him leading the country because

859
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,320
it's pathetic how he is a smart guy.

860
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,180
Like, I'm not saying he's a good guy, but he is definitely sharp.

861
00:41:33,180 --> 00:41:34,180
He's on it.

862
00:41:34,180 --> 00:41:35,180
Yeah.

863
00:41:35,180 --> 00:41:36,180
Right?

864
00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:39,080
And he's been around the last several presidents that we've had.

865
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,760
It's shocking, shocking how incompetent our leadership is.

866
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:43,760
It has been.

867
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,160
And like I say, we're on the edge of World War III right now.

868
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,200
Iran bombed a US military base.

869
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,200
Yeah.

870
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,740
We're almost there.

871
00:41:51,740 --> 00:41:55,040
There's countries in Europe that are talking about installing the draft again, getting

872
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,040
ready.

873
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,040
It's crazy.

874
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,440
Like European Union countries, it's not good.

875
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,440
Yeah.

876
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,440
It's not so.

877
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,840
Things are very...

878
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,840
So to bring this back to our topic, Mike, I'm going to stay with your thread here though.

879
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:08,840
What do you think...

880
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,520
So let's say it's 2030 or whatever it is, right?

881
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,520
The guy said.

882
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,520
Sure.

883
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,560
And 80% of jobs are replaced by AI.

884
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,680
Everybody's got more time.

885
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,040
And let's just say we're going optimist with this.

886
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,040
Everybody's got time.

887
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,120
They got time to write that novel.

888
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,440
They always wanted to write that memoir.

889
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,560
They have time to sift through old family photos and digitize them.

890
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:29,560
They have...

891
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:30,640
Whatever it is they want to do, right?

892
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:35,000
They can finally put up that fence in the backyard or buy a new grill and spend more

893
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,040
time grilling or learn how to use a smoker, whatever they want to do.

894
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:45,100
What impact does that have globally for wars and major disagreements?

895
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:50,480
Because I can see people like racist people that focus hyper-focus on these things.

896
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,720
I can see that being a very bad thing.

897
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:56,280
They're able to have a lot more time to do that and to try and rile people up.

898
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,260
But if you have AI that says they're crackpots, maybe the rest of the people that are used

899
00:43:00,260 --> 00:43:04,980
to watching news in the morning and then before bed and then over lunch and get the same three

900
00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:09,300
stories repeated to them ad nauseam might just say, well, we can ignore them.

901
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:14,040
So I'd be curious on what you think that might do for global conflicts.

902
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:19,080
There's a real possibility that we are heading towards the rollo cop, judge dread, civil

903
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:24,200
on massive level, civil unrest globally type situation.

904
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:29,000
We have already seen massive civil unrest in this country and in other countries.

905
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:34,120
A lot of the reason why it doesn't spread is that the media tries to limit our access

906
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,140
to the information about it.

907
00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:37,140
You know what I mean?

908
00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:38,140
Yeah.

909
00:43:38,140 --> 00:43:40,420
So it could lead to massive political upheaval.

910
00:43:40,420 --> 00:43:45,140
That's a good thing potentially based on the conversation we just had about global leadership

911
00:43:45,140 --> 00:43:47,560
and how incompetent they seemingly are.

912
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:48,560
Yeah.

913
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:49,560
But it could also be...

914
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,520
And if you go back to our country's roots where our founding fathers said a little revolution

915
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,180
every once in a while is a good thing.

916
00:43:55,180 --> 00:44:01,640
So it's change and a lot of corporations love to say, embrace the change, but they only

917
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,160
mean embrace the change if it's change that they're initiating, not if it's being initiated

918
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,160
elsewhere.

919
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,160
So you have to think those kind of-

920
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,160
What is it?

921
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,600
The tree of liberty is watered with the blood of Patriots or whatever, right?

922
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,080
Yeah, something like that.

923
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,080
Yeah.

924
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,080
Something like that.

925
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,080
Yeah.

926
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,760
Change is good, but it's always an adjustment period.

927
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,120
So it'll be very interesting to see what happens.

928
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:24,320
I know that, well, I've only got maybe two, two and a half inches left of this cigar.

929
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,880
And I know I want to talk about some of the creative things that AI allegedly does.

930
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:29,880
Yes.

931
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,680
And I think you did too, didn't you, Mike?

932
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,120
I will lead up to this.

933
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,480
So our government is currently trying to enact legislation to deal with AI.

934
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:43,000
And instead of being like, oh, let's just make a universal education a thing, or oh,

935
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,880
let's just make universal healthcare a thing, or let's get in front of this problem and

936
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,400
start doing more public housing and dealing with the homeless problem and create infrastructure

937
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:56,920
so that we can deal with 80% of the people changing jobs in the next 20 years or 10 years.

938
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,920
Yeah.

939
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,400
And I think to clarify really quick, Mike, when the government says let's deal with the

940
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,840
AI problem, that doesn't mean AI is a problem to the everyday person.

941
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:06,840
No.

942
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,500
That means the AI is a problem to our politicians' pocketbooks.

943
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:11,500
That is correct.

944
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:15,200
So instead of doing any policies that are forward thinking and could help us in the

945
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:21,140
long term to where it make us maybe a more progressive, not in like the traditional political

946
00:45:21,140 --> 00:45:26,760
way that we use now, but a more forward thinking, forward moving society to deal with these

947
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,700
rapid changes that are happening.

948
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:32,840
The government wants to ban pornography being generated by AI.

949
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:38,920
That is that just last week, both the president and Congress were in discussions about passing

950
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,600
laws to ban AI from generating pornography.

951
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:42,600
Yeah.

952
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,840
And when Mike says last week, listeners, he means early February.

953
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,320
I mean early February of 2024.

954
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,800
We are recording this early.

955
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:51,800
Yes.

956
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,000
Because we're going to get ahead of things for once.

957
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,000
Gosh darn it.

958
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,000
Yeah.

959
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,000
For once.

960
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,000
For once we're ahead.

961
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,240
That leads us into what you wanted to talk about.

962
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:01,240
Yes.

963
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:06,360
And we're actually recording this on the eve, the night of the...

964
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,280
Now I don't know who Taylor Swift is and I've never watched the Super Bowl, but he sure

965
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,000
sounds fast.

966
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:18,000
I just learned today who was in the Super Bowl because they had an ad on my TV for it.

967
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:24,800
Yeah, so Sarah, the night before the Super Bowl, she was watching this Amazon Prime movie

968
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,040
called Kelsey or something.

969
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,640
It's about the Kelsey brothers.

970
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,600
They were playing on opposite teams last Super Bowl, the last Super Bowl.

971
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,680
And so their mom was the star of the night because she had two Super Bowl contender sons.

972
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:37,680
Right?

973
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,080
But one of the Kelsey's is...

974
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,080
And I don't...

975
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,500
We'll be watching a movie and Sarah will be like, oh yeah, this is the one that's dating

976
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:44,500
so and so.

977
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:45,880
And I'm like, who the fuck are you talking about?

978
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,680
I don't know any of these actors' names.

979
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,880
And I'm a film guy, but I'm not saying like I don't know any actor's names.

980
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,400
I'm just saying, there's being a film person who likes film and I'm not...

981
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,720
This isn't a slight at my wife because she loves film too.

982
00:46:57,720 --> 00:47:01,600
And this isn't a slight at you, not you, Mike, but you, the listener.

983
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:02,600
If you just like the...

984
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,000
I don't know, the relationship drama around celebrities, right?

985
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,000
That's fine.

986
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,000
I don't have anything against that.

987
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,000
I'm not into that.

988
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,040
So I get very confused when my wife starts talking about who's dating which other actor,

989
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,480
actress, that kind of thing.

990
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,600
I don't know and I really don't have the brain space to focus on that.

991
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,360
But anyway, one of these sports ball players in the Super Bowl tonight, of course this

992
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,840
is early February for the rest of you, is dating Taylor Swift.

993
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:32,960
And Taylor Swift recently, last month, right, had all of these AI generated nudes, I'm going

994
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,620
to say leaked, but it wasn't really leaked because it's not like they were nudes that

995
00:47:36,620 --> 00:47:40,720
she took that were then hacked from her personal device and leaked onto the internet.

996
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:45,800
These are just AI generated images that were spread, disseminated on the internet.

997
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,640
And Mike was not able to view them.

998
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,240
I was able to view them.

999
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:54,000
And if you've seen an AI image, one of the Super Bowl commercials was those people that

1000
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,840
had that really out of touch Jesus is One of Us commercials last year, maybe at the

1001
00:47:58,840 --> 00:47:59,840
Super Bowl.

1002
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,680
And they had one this year that had a whole bunch of like these images and stuff of people

1003
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,160
washing other people's feet.

1004
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,340
And they all looked AI generated because they all looked like, I don't know, Renaissance

1005
00:48:09,340 --> 00:48:13,640
paintings almost, but photo real Renaissance paintings, if that makes sense.

1006
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,120
Like you know how AI can look in a certain sense, like it'll generate these images, but

1007
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,820
it looks almost too good to actually be a real image.

1008
00:48:21,820 --> 00:48:22,820
You know what I mean?

1009
00:48:22,820 --> 00:48:23,820
Yeah, there's a term for that.

1010
00:48:23,820 --> 00:48:27,120
So it looks a little cartoony or a little like painty or whatever.

1011
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,560
And so I'm like, man, I'll bet you they just AI'd this whole thing.

1012
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,360
But their message was, Jesus didn't teach us to preach hate.

1013
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,120
Jesus washed feet.

1014
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,800
And I was like, oh my God, you guys.

1015
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,480
Like you're now you got all the foot fetish people Googling Jesus, like the fuck are you

1016
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:43,480
doing?

1017
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,960
And that's where maybe a human would need to reprogram their AI and say, maybe don't

1018
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,800
lead with Jesus washes feet.

1019
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,480
You got to put it, you got to put that in context.

1020
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:55,040
I remember a sermon when I was a kid and our pastor got down and was washing people's feet

1021
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,880
in the front row, but he'd be like prefaced it without being goofy and weird about it

1022
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,120
and like awkward about it.

1023
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,360
But anyway, so those kind of like, it's not really cartoony, but it's kind of like CGI

1024
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:09,240
you know what I mean, like you can tell that it's not really a picture.

1025
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:14,400
So it's, you could probably recreate this in a, in a photo studio with, I don't know,

1026
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,760
a thousand lights and perfect staging and somebody who knew exactly how to create like

1027
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,200
the most kind of fakey looking picture that was still real.

1028
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,320
But you know, you would just look at it and be like, this is two staged.

1029
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:31,840
So that's how it's here because we are not active social media users.

1030
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,680
So from what I understand, there's a lot of filters and editing that goes into people's

1031
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,440
photos they put on social media.

1032
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,000
And I think a lot of people are already accustomed to that.

1033
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,720
A lot of people are used to that.

1034
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:44,720
Oh, I think, I think they're used to that.

1035
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:48,600
I saw something where I think Texas banned, yes, uncanny Valley.

1036
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:49,600
That's exactly right.

1037
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:55,440
I think Texas recently passed a law banning filters on dating apps, maybe or something.

1038
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:56,440
That's so stupid.

1039
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,760
So there's a really good, what a waste of government resources.

1040
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,960
I know that.

1041
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,920
What a waste of time.

1042
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,640
Why don't we deal with the problems that we actually have?

1043
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,480
But on the, but let's, I'm just going to play devil's advocate here, Mike.

1044
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,160
I agree with you a hundred percent, like the fuck, but let's play devil's advocate, right?

1045
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,400
You're somebody trying to find a date.

1046
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,240
They got these pictures and this was, this is true even before filters, right?

1047
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:21,720
You, cause if you're on a dating app, same with resumes, you're only going to put the

1048
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:22,960
good things down.

1049
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:23,960
Same with references.

1050
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,880
You're not going to put down your mortal enemy.

1051
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,600
You know, the boss you fucked over, you know, you're not going to put him down as a reference.

1052
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:30,920
Like yeah, I stole from my last job.

1053
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,000
Why don't you call them and ask them about me?

1054
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,800
You know, so there's always that kind of like personal editing that goes on with dating,

1055
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,240
with career searching, with all of this stuff.

1056
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:44,840
But let's just say for a moment, since catfishing and stuff has gotten huge and there's a lot

1057
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,840
of people, FBI and otherwise posing as certain things online to expose other people online.

1058
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,000
And some of those things are justified and some of them aren't.

1059
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,220
But you know, let's say you've got all these pictures of this person that are filtered

1060
00:50:55,220 --> 00:50:57,160
and AI generated and stuff.

1061
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,520
And you're like, wow, this, you know, and let's assume.

1062
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,880
Also, you're shallow and only look at the outer beauty and not the inner beauty, not

1063
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,040
to get all philosophical and whatnot here.

1064
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,920
On one hand, you would think why, why not just have these people meet these people and

1065
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,160
find out that they're phony and using fake images and have like the platform that they're

1066
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,160
using and that person can just flag them and say, this isn't how they look.

1067
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,680
And the platform can do that research and ban that person or whatever.

1068
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,160
Like that would be the ideal.

1069
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,400
But on the other hand, if the company's not going to do it, the government should be forcing

1070
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,600
the company to do that instead of enacting laws to punish citizens.

1071
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,640
Because all of these things are here.

1072
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,180
You're not mandated by government law to sign up for Facebook.

1073
00:51:37,180 --> 00:51:40,420
So you can use whatever pictures you want on Facebook, but your government mandated

1074
00:51:40,420 --> 00:51:43,680
if you're a man to sign up for the draft, that's illegal.

1075
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,780
But right now, you know, so if the government mandated that you had a Facebook, then I could

1076
00:51:47,780 --> 00:51:52,440
see the government mandating that your Facebook pictures are you and not filtered.

1077
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,340
Just for a super simple example.

1078
00:51:54,340 --> 00:51:57,080
But anyway, back to the Taylor Swift nudes.

1079
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,960
They're very uncanny valley and they're very fakey.

1080
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,200
And I don't really get what the attraction is with Taylor Swift anyway.

1081
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,200
Whatever, whatever it is.

1082
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,320
But the whole thing is that the Pentagon or is the Pentagon or I don't know, government

1083
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,160
is now like trying to do all this stuff because Taylor Swift got upset about these pictures.

1084
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,520
And I don't know that she actually got upset.

1085
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,680
Right, Mike, as you said, she didn't really respond to him, but her fans got upset.

1086
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:20,680
Yeah, yeah.

1087
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:26,040
The article I read was that Taylor Swift and her quote unquote team did not acknowledge

1088
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,040
it.

1089
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,280
They didn't talk about it and they said nothing.

1090
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:33,280
They were like, this is not an issue that we're interested in dealing with.

1091
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,280
Right.

1092
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,080
It's not my problem, basically, which is the right response.

1093
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,200
Like I'll give I'll give her respect for that.

1094
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,400
That is the right answer from her.

1095
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:47,680
Yeah, I feel like she's done a good job of navigating the legal and creative pitfalls

1096
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,760
of being a musician because she's rerecording all of her old stuff.

1097
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,560
So she gets the royalties and stuff.

1098
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,640
She got screwed over by the record company, I guess.

1099
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,840
I don't know a whole lot about it, but I think she's.

1100
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:57,840
She's done.

1101
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:58,840
I don't.

1102
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,840
Yeah, but she's done a good job of navigating some of these very interesting things that

1103
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,280
come about, especially now with AI.

1104
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,040
But you're a public figure.

1105
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:12,840
And I don't know, let's say back in college and stuff, my dorm mate, totally not me, would

1106
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:18,520
look up or would see things and it would be, you know, like this is totally this super

1107
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,800
hot actress naked.

1108
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,520
And it was totally not right.

1109
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,160
They found somebody that maybe had a similar body build and then they would Photoshop the

1110
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,240
face on or they, you know, do whatever.

1111
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:29,880
I remember the Britney Spears fakes back in the day.

1112
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,880
And it was like, yeah, kind of maybe it looked like her in the dark.

1113
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,440
You know what I mean?

1114
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,440
Yeah.

1115
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,360
Well, back then, like the photo resolution you could download on your computer was crap.

1116
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:46,000
So you could take a picture of like a Thanksgiving turkey and say, hey, this is Rosie O'Donnell

1117
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,000
or something, you know, naked.

1118
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,000
And you'd be like, oh yeah, that's great.

1119
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,000
I love it.

1120
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,000
I don't know.

1121
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,360
I'm not trying to be upset, make anyone upset who's a Rosie O'Donnell fan if they still

1122
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:55,360
exist anymore.

1123
00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:01,480
But the point is that you can any, any, let's just go Star Wars because we like Star Wars.

1124
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,080
There's Star Wars porn parodies and they're not getting sued out the ass.

1125
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,080
No, no.

1126
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:11,080
And AI will certainly make an AI movie based on Star Wars.

1127
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,960
Like that's, if it's not already there, it will be and it'll be photorealistic.

1128
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:15,960
Yeah.

1129
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:16,960
Yeah.

1130
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:23,440
I watched a lot of videos of Arnold Schwarzenegger being voice copied into famous movie scenes

1131
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:24,440
where he's singing.

1132
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:25,440
Oh yeah.

1133
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,520
The hills are alive and everything and the face looks really bad, but the voice sounds

1134
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:30,520
perfect.

1135
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:36,520
Like it's him singing, the hills are alive because there's so much of his voice out there

1136
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,200
that they can generate it.

1137
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:43,600
You know, any of these people, there's Joe Rogan who has, there's an AI Joe Rogan podcast

1138
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,640
between him and other guests and it's AI generated conversation.

1139
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,800
And I'm sure if we ever get popular, then there'll be AI voices of us out there too.

1140
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:52,800
Right.

1141
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:53,800
And it's really made up conversations.

1142
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:58,720
Well, I can't imagine AI us saying anything worse than we say regularly on our podcasts.

1143
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:02,080
So I'm not too concerned about it, but I did do some legal lookup.

1144
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,800
And so a lot of the legal stuff online is basically saying for porn purposes, as long

1145
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,300
as you're not claiming to actually be the person, right?

1146
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:14,720
So the porn Britney Spears was Britney Speared was their porn name.

1147
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:19,960
So it wasn't Britney Spears, but you knew who they were trying to be like, right?

1148
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,280
So you could just, or it was Britney Spears with three S's.

1149
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,720
Yeah, something super dumb.

1150
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:31,520
And so I found an article here that actually this is another, this is a podcast episode

1151
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:38,160
and it is podcast is endless thread and it is co-hosted by Amory Severson and Ben Brock

1152
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,160
Johnson.

1153
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,320
But basically they're saying that since the creation of deep fakes in 2017, AI technology

1154
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:49,060
that can face swap has been become very commonplace, especially in pornography, but there's no

1155
00:55:49,060 --> 00:55:54,240
federal law that criminalizes the creation or sharing of non-consensual deep fake porn

1156
00:55:54,240 --> 00:56:00,420
in the United States, at least at the time of this was written June, 2023.

1157
00:56:00,420 --> 00:56:03,160
So there's really no law against it right now.

1158
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:07,160
And they said that really the only thing is kind of like, it can have damaging emotional

1159
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:12,420
and physical effects for the person being deep faked, right?

1160
00:56:12,420 --> 00:56:15,760
But it's not necessarily illegal to do.

1161
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,560
It's kind of the same thing with lookalikes, right?

1162
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,880
And the big thing is when a lot of the Britney Spears stuff came out, she was under eight,

1163
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:23,880
she was under 18.

1164
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:28,000
And, but the thing was they weren't claiming to be Britney Spears.

1165
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,560
Their names were Britney Speared or Britney Spear XXXXX or whatever it was, right?

1166
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,400
So they weren't saying, Hey, I literally am Britney Spears.

1167
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,360
They're just like, I'm somebody who looks like Britney Spears, who's about to get naked

1168
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:39,400
for you.

1169
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,400
So have fun.

1170
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,180
So I think that's kind of the thing.

1171
00:56:43,180 --> 00:56:47,480
And nobody's going to look at these and nobody, I don't think anybody said when these Taylor

1172
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,840
Swift things popped out that they were like, Oh, look, Britney or Taylor Swift was having

1173
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,120
a gangbang with the Kansas city chiefs.

1174
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,960
I think they were just like, look at what AI thinks Taylor Swift looks like naked.

1175
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,040
Like I don't, I don't think it was presented in that way.

1176
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,040
I don't know for sure.

1177
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,360
Cause I wasn't on the cutting edge of that because I literally don't care.

1178
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,320
But yeah, it's not something that I'm an expert in or even slightly knowledgeable.

1179
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:09,840
We're not lawyers.

1180
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:10,840
We're not lawyers.

1181
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:16,520
But people were saying that that, that was tantamount to physical abuse, sexual abuse,

1182
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,540
releasing deep fakes of somebody that's popular in the popular sphere.

1183
00:57:20,540 --> 00:57:22,040
We are so soft as a society.

1184
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,640
And we've talked about this before.

1185
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:24,640
Yeah.

1186
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:29,280
We're so soft as a society that stuff like this, these crazy things that people say are

1187
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,280
just accepted.

1188
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:35,080
And it's like, yeah, the world's a really hard place.

1189
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,200
Sometimes this is not really an issue that anybody should care about.

1190
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:39,200
Yeah.

1191
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,480
It's not as much as people do for sure.

1192
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,720
Yeah, I guess, I mean, we can think about this.

1193
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,960
Let's think about this in a couple of different ways or one other way.

1194
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:53,960
I only have one, a couple of different ways, as long as a couple to you means one, Mike

1195
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,440
like bullying, right?

1196
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,960
Like I was bullied or I had people say bad things about me in school, right?

1197
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:05,640
I had people make fun of my diabetes in school and morally is that right for those people

1198
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:06,640
to do that to me?

1199
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:07,640
No.

1200
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,480
I mean, is there anything I could really do as a 12 year old child?

1201
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:12,480
Also no.

1202
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,960
You know, and schools typically don't care about the bully.

1203
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,960
They care about the person who's being bullied when they fight back.

1204
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,380
And then the person who fought back is bad, you know, because they didn't follow the appropriate

1205
00:58:21,380 --> 00:58:23,260
channels of the school, blah, blah, blah.

1206
00:58:23,260 --> 00:58:28,320
So is it morally right to create AI deep fakes of Taylor Swift naked and then distribute

1207
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:29,320
them on the internet?

1208
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:30,320
No.

1209
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:31,320
Like, no.

1210
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,880
You know, there's plenty of people who want to be naked and want you to see them naked

1211
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:35,880
on the internet.

1212
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,560
There's no, I mean, there's no reason, right?

1213
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,320
And I'm not trying to get into the morality of porn or not or whatever.

1214
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:42,560
Like whatever it is, whatever it is.

1215
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:47,480
I'm just saying, is it morally right for somebody to, let's just take you Mike to say, I'm going

1216
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:52,840
to have AI make some naked Mike pictures that I can enjoy while we're recording our podcast

1217
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,480
so I can, whatever.

1218
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:55,480
Who knows?

1219
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:56,800
I'm not doing that, Mike.

1220
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,840
Just you can rest easy tonight.

1221
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,480
But you know what I mean?

1222
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,760
Like it's not morally right to do that kind of thing and to share those things.

1223
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,920
But as somebody in the public eye, as much as Taylor Swift is, there's nothing you can

1224
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,160
really do because you're a public figure.

1225
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:14,520
No, it's inevitable.

1226
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,640
I guarantee you there's going to be a Johnny Depp porn, AI porn.

1227
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:19,640
There will be.

1228
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:20,640
Yeah, yeah.

1229
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:21,640
There has to be.

1230
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:22,640
You know, it's rule 34.

1231
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:23,640
Missing fingertip and all.

1232
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:24,640
Yeah.

1233
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:25,640
If you can think of it, it's out there.

1234
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:26,640
Yeah.

1235
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:31,720
And Disney owns as much porn as they do own film because they legally own all the derivative

1236
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,200
of rule 34 stuff.

1237
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:38,000
And they have, I read this, that when a new animator comes on board, they will show them

1238
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,280
at least one folder of their most recent film and all the porn that people have created

1239
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:47,160
from it online and say, just so you know, whatever you're making for us, this is the

1240
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,840
kind of stuff people will make out of it.

1241
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:49,840
Just to prep them.

1242
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:50,840
I'm not saying this is great.

1243
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:51,840
Make them aware.

1244
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:58,000
But just like, hey man, you're going to have these crazy sick fucks making crazy sick fuck

1245
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,640
like Officer Judy Hopps porn for whatever.

1246
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:02,640
It's a rabbit.

1247
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,320
It's been going on forever.

1248
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,080
AOC has deep fakes.

1249
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,080
Yeah.

1250
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,080
There's a, you know, all these people, I'm sure that Nancy Pelosi has deep fakes out

1251
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,080
there.

1252
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:12,080
That's disgusting.

1253
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:13,080
Where?

1254
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,080
Where?

1255
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,080
I'm just saying.

1256
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:16,080
Everybody has them.

1257
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,080
That's popular, right?

1258
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:18,080
Right.

1259
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:19,080
It's certain.

1260
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:20,080
It's inevitable.

1261
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,080
Just got to accept it and move on, I guess.

1262
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,280
That's my view on it.

1263
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:24,280
Yeah.

1264
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,560
We're not, we're not pro pornography deep fakes.

1265
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,080
No, but I'm pro accepting reality and moving forward.

1266
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:30,080
Yeah.

1267
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,360
I mean, as long as the technology is there and if you do anything to put yourself out

1268
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,600
there, even us with this podcast, right?

1269
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,120
Like we could be, we could get angry, angry male at some point, somewhere, somehow, right?

1270
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,640
Somebody could come and say, well, I don't, I didn't like your opinion on this or that

1271
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,920
or the other thing, but we're putting ourselves out there.

1272
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,520
We are adults and we chose to do this regardless.

1273
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:52,400
So we're not trying to be inflammatory and make people upset.

1274
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,880
And some of the things we say, it might be upsetting.

1275
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:54,880
I don't know.

1276
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,200
You know, you might not agree with us and that's fine.

1277
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,200
You don't have to.

1278
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,940
I'd love to hear other people's thoughts on things.

1279
01:00:59,940 --> 01:01:03,080
But that's kind of comes back to our, it's kind of been a recurring theme.

1280
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:07,080
I think Mike is kind of like the, the polite discord, you know, you can, you can disagree,

1281
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,680
but you can do it so politely.

1282
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,100
You don't have to have everybody on your side all the time.

1283
01:01:11,100 --> 01:01:15,600
And you don't learn if, if people are telling Kathleen Kennedy that putting a chick in it

1284
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,680
and making her lame and gay is a good thing, you know, like everybody around her.

1285
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,240
I did watch that too, by the way.

1286
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:21,240
I watched the parent.

1287
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:22,240
Oh, I did too.

1288
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:23,240
It was, it was very funny.

1289
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:24,240
It was great.

1290
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:28,280
I watched, now I've watched several of the South Park specials and I highly recommend

1291
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:29,280
them to people.

1292
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:34,800
They're a lot more adult than what was on Comedy Central, more graphic for sure.

1293
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,040
Well, and, and I'll, I'll say this real quick.

1294
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:42,000
Since you brought up the Pandaverse is that I thought the ending of Pandaverse where they

1295
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:48,300
had a clear path forward to prevent the Panda apocalypse or whatever the fuck it was, was

1296
01:01:48,300 --> 01:01:54,160
handled a lot better than the ending of Barbie, even though I liked Barbie and I liked Barbie

1297
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,280
a lot better than a lot of the other things that I've watched.

1298
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,640
Uh, you know, I kind of wanted that show us then the utopian state.

1299
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:01,640
Right.

1300
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,680
That was hilarious that they got all the handymen from other galaxies or whatever.

1301
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:06,680
Yeah.

1302
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:07,680
Yeah.

1303
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:08,680
So they didn't have to fix anything.

1304
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:09,680
Yeah.

1305
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:10,680
Yeah.

1306
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,000
Pandaverse was great.

1307
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,240
If you haven't seen it, uh, go watch that.

1308
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:19,240
Don't be making weird AI deepfakes and posting them online because chances are the government's

1309
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,080
going to make that illegal and they're going to come for you.

1310
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:27,160
They're not going to go for Taylor Swift for generating what 63 tons of CO2 emissions,

1311
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,000
uh, every plane plane trip.

1312
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:34,000
But yeah, I just remember you can't have plastic straws, but you know, John Kerry can fly around

1313
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,600
the world on his private jet.

1314
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:36,600
Yeah.

1315
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:42,000
Well, and even, uh, even the most loved person in all of history, Barack Obama had like pizza

1316
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,080
flown in from Chicago to the white house just so he could have lunch and then think about

1317
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:47,620
the emissions from that and stuff.

1318
01:02:47,620 --> 01:02:49,400
But I have to drink out of a soggy straw.

1319
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:53,040
Uh, Mike doesn't, Mike doesn't dislike the paper straws as much as I do.

1320
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,120
I have, uh, uh, I've never had an issue with a paper straw.

1321
01:02:56,120 --> 01:03:00,480
So I've had so many issues with paper straws, but I can't say the reason why.

1322
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:05,680
So I'll tell Mike afterwards and is it sounding, is it sounding?

1323
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:11,200
Uh, it is something that an AI chat bot would not be allowed to say.

1324
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,320
So anyway, uh, how much of your cigar do you have left, Mike?

1325
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:15,640
I am burning my fingers.

1326
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:16,640
Okay.

1327
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,100
I'm about, I'm there too.

1328
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:20,480
So what did you think overall of this one?

1329
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:21,480
It was good.

1330
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:22,840
Uh, no flavor change.

1331
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,280
Very mellow.

1332
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:25,840
I would say it was dark.

1333
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:26,840
Yeah.

1334
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:27,840
Yeah.

1335
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:28,840
Melo, dark, mellow.

1336
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:29,840
I w you know what?

1337
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,440
I would say the shelf appeal was maybe the best thing about the cigar.

1338
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:33,440
The smoke was good.

1339
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:34,640
It was, it was a good smoke.

1340
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,880
I think there would be other things I would rather smoke, especially considering this

1341
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,080
is a limited run.

1342
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,080
Yes.

1343
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:42,080
But the shelf appeal.

1344
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:43,600
Oh yeah, I know, man.

1345
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,640
If you have, so I would, I guess I would, I would caveat it with this.

1346
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,240
I don't think I would buy another one of these given the price point.

1347
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:54,160
But if you want to have a cigar that you can whip out and have everybody be like, Oh my

1348
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:55,520
God, that looks amazing.

1349
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:56,520
What is that?

1350
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:57,520
What's going on?

1351
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:58,520
And you want to have a really good smoke.

1352
01:03:58,520 --> 01:03:59,520
Like it's a good smoke.

1353
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:00,520
Sure.

1354
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,680
You have the disposable income, go ahead and do it.

1355
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:08,060
But I, I this, you know, and trying to keep and tie this into Mike's vision, grand vision

1356
01:04:08,060 --> 01:04:12,800
for season three, where we smoke budget cigars and say what's the best part of that also

1357
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:17,180
is smoking some of these limited runs that you might be tempted by and letting you know

1358
01:04:17,180 --> 01:04:19,580
if it's worth the investment or not.

1359
01:04:19,580 --> 01:04:21,060
This one could go either way for me.

1360
01:04:21,060 --> 01:04:25,520
I wouldn't rush out and get it again, but it looks fantastic.

1361
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,440
I would not, I would buy it again.

1362
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,000
I wouldn't rush out to buy it again.

1363
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,600
But if I saw it on the shelf, it looks so nice.

1364
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,480
I'd want to put it on the top of the box.

1365
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:34,720
You know, it just looks really good.

1366
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:35,720
I know that's ridiculous.

1367
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:41,600
Yeah, it's silly, but that's part of it too.

1368
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:46,680
And you know what it, and it's, I don't feel like I was cheated out of money on this one.

1369
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,240
And maybe I just, maybe it looks so good.

1370
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:52,800
I had higher hopes and maybe it was my own expectations that got in my own way.

1371
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:53,840
It's a good cigar.

1372
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:55,020
It's a good cigar.

1373
01:04:55,020 --> 01:04:56,020
It's a very good cigar.

1374
01:04:56,020 --> 01:04:58,960
And the last half inch is as good as the first inch.

1375
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:04,920
It's just, uh, I just, I don't think it's a necessary staple in your humidor cigar.

1376
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:09,020
So I'm not, I'm not advising you because since it's limited, I'm not saying I'm not going

1377
01:05:09,020 --> 01:05:12,440
to tell you to go out and buy a box or two boxes or five boxes of these.

1378
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:13,440
Like don't do that.

1379
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,300
But if you want a good cigar that, that has, that looks really interesting and a lot different

1380
01:05:17,300 --> 01:05:18,920
than other cigars you see out there.

1381
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:19,920
Sure.

1382
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:20,920
Pick it up.

1383
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,960
If you got, if you got the scratch to do it, was there anything else on AI that we missed

1384
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:24,960
Mike?

1385
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:25,960
I don't think so.

1386
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:26,960
Be prepared people.

1387
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:27,960
Be prepared.

1388
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:28,960
Yeah.

1389
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,800
Whatever that means for you and your job and livelihood.

1390
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:32,800
All right.

1391
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:33,800
Thanks for listening.

1392
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,800
Don't forget if you have time to give us a review on whatever platform you're catching

1393
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,000
us on, it would be much, much appreciated.

1394
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,240
Check out our website and our Patreon.

1395
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,760
We've got some cool behind the scenes stuff there too.

1396
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,600
So again, thanks for listening.

1397
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:48,600
Be safe.

1398
01:05:48,600 --> 01:06:09,120
Bye.