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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Mike.

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And I'm Nate.

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What are we smoking today, Mike?

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We are smoking another factory smokes.

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This time it is a Maduro.

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And it's a Robusto size.

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Nice.

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Robusto size.

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Back to the favorite size.

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Yes.

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Of the podcast.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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How much fun was it to have the Midwest shenanigans girls on?

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It was wonderful.

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It was wonderful.

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It was a good time.

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It was a good time.

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It was a good time.

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It was.

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They didn't like the cigars as much as we did.

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But that was to be expected.

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We reached out to them actually and they expressed interest on coming on our show.

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And we tried to pick of the cigars we had queued up for season three, the one that they

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would enjoy the most.

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And they're not cigar smokers.

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So I guess we kind of, you know.

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Failed.

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That's okay.

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We're swallowed by our own hubris or something like that.

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But that's the whole point of the show is we're not gatekeeping.

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We want people to try cigars, enjoy cigars.

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If they don't enjoy them, I'm sure there's one you might find that you would enjoy.

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And if not, that's okay too.

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It doesn't matter.

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It's just fun to talk to people.

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Absolutely.

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Not everything is for everybody.

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So there we go.

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Indeed.

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And they were very good sports about the whole thing.

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So that was awesome.

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And if you haven't checked out their podcast, go check them out Midwest Shenanigans.

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They're on Spotify.

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Yes.

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But we're going to light this bad boy up.

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It's a Maduro.

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I remember we did two episodes ago, we did the factory smoke shade and it was a longer

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one, the Toro, I believe.

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And it was sweet.

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It was sweet.

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But we both liked it.

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Yeah.

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Now I'm kind of looking forward to this one.

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Famous last words.

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Hey, it's got a pretty pleasant start in my opinion.

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Yeah, it does.

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Yeah, it does.

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I toasted the foot and it's pretty good.

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My wrapper is not perfect on this one.

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It looks like a cheap cigar for sure.

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There's a little bit of flaking and some like smudging and it doesn't look perfect.

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Let's put it that way.

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Outside of the giant kind of meme font that they chose to put factory smokes on these

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things, my wrapper would be indistinguishable from any other cigar in my humidor.

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So I don't have the same wrapper that you were describing, but we've talked about this

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before.

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We've got different humidor even if they're from the same badger box.

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Who knows slight variations in this or that or the other thing.

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Mine looks fine.

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Yeah.

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But just something to point out because these are more budget friendly options of cigars

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that we're smoking.

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So you might get some differences.

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Very budget friendly.

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Very budget friendly.

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Full disclosure to everybody, they did a big sale for Christmas or New Year's.

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I can't remember.

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I bought one or I bought two of every cigar they have that costs less than $5 after the

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discount.

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I think it might've gone up to six.

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I can't remember.

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We are going to be very budget friendly this year because that's kind of the theme of the

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show so far.

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Yeah, it has been.

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I mean, every once in a while we smoke something.

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I don't know if we ever smoked anything above $18 a stick.

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For $15 to $20, you're going to get a stick that's going to be good pretty much no matter

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what.

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We're generally sub $15.

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We're generally sub $15.

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Consistently.

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A lot of the cigars that we smoke are, I don't know, let's say with tax, let's just say like

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three to 10, three to 12.

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I would say five to 10.

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Five to 10.

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Mostly five to 10.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Most of the sticks we smoke are five bucks a piece, not including tax because I buy them.

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I wait for the sale and I buy a bunch, but if you were to get them at a cigar shop, they'd

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be $8 to $13 usually.

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They would still be among the cheapest cigars in that store.

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For sure.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I mean, I know I talked in episode one about the gift card and going to the cigar shop

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and I had a $50 gift card and I bought, I think five cigars and it ended up being about $68

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all said and done with taxes and everything.

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I wasn't buying super expensive sticks, but I was buying sticks that were good, like that

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they were recommending to me.

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They weren't recommending to me the $30, 20, $30 sticks.

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So, I mean, it can be a very expensive, but the whole point I think, or the theme of a

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lot of our episodes and of our show is we're not gatekeeping.

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We want to smoke affordable sticks that anybody could smoke.

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I mean, if you have a hobby, you have a hobby, right?

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If it's video games, are you going to buy the $60 game?

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Are you going to buy the $10 game?

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Are you going to wait for it to go on sale?

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Whatever, whatever.

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We're trying to smoke the lower, not lower end in quality, but the lower end of the price

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spectrum and let you know which ones are worth the money.

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Basically.

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Yes.

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And some of them have been not good.

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Don't make me say it, Mike.

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Don't make me say it.

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I think that's a, I think there's two of them.

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There's probably three cigars, maybe even four that are on the board, the square board,

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the bingo board.

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I'm not going to list them off, but we all know what they are.

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So indeed, indeed.

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So this is a Nate knows kind of a modified, a nose.

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It's a, uh, everybody's done it.

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Most people haven't done it to the extent that Nate has done it.

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I'm talking about the, uh, I don't know what you would call it.

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The rife market for self-help books.

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If you've breathed the breath, you could probably write a self-help book that people would buy

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and love and want to interview you on other shows for, but we're trying to do a best of

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the best of self-help books.

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I guess, uh, I'm trying to, I went through, I track all of my, my reading.

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I know there's other apps and this app is not a sponsor.

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Use whatever thing you like.

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If you like to track things, I don't know why I like to track what I do.

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I like to track the movies I've watched and I rate them and I like to track the ratings

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and I like to track the books I read and what I've rated them.

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And I use Goodreads for tracking that.

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And I use I am to be for movies.

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I've got one friend that uses letterbox for movies and I've tried, but I just, I can't

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keep up with two and I've got all my ratings already on IMDB.

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It's just, I'm not going to change.

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And I know there's other apps for tracking books and ratings and things and new ones

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are popping up and whatever, whatever.

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But I use Goodreads.

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You don't have to.

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I'm not saying you have to, but I did go through my Goodreads and I've read a lot of self-help

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books because tell you what, I need a lot of self-help.

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I need a lot of help.

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I don't know how I'm still out in public and functioning.

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Well, you function better than a lot of people.

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So well, you were supposed to laugh, but I guess thank you for that.

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I was trying to make a joke, but now we know I'm committable.

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So just kidding.

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But I'm sure you've seen them.

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And a lot of these people that write self-help books have their own churches perhaps or corporations

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or whatever, whatever you may have.

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But I tried because there's so many self-help books, so many, so many.

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And I tried to break them down and I told Mike these different categories so he could

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kind of prepare.

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I've got interpersonal as one kind of sub-genre.

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I have finance, productivity, leadership.

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And then I also, because I have small children at home, I also have a parenting genre or

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sub-genre.

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So I don't know, Mike, if you went through and kind of like put them in different categories

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or not.

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But Nate, I have like 10 books total and most of them are borderline not really self-help

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books.

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So.

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I mean, that's fine.

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It's as close to a self-help book as I could think of.

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And I have a list of all the books that I've read in the past.

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Oh, I don't know.

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Three or four years.

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And these are all the ones that I've read in the last three or four years, plus one

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that I read in college that I remember reading.

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Sure.

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Sure, sure.

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That's all good.

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So I was just going to start with interpersonal because that's the one that ended up at the

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top for me.

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And I've got a lot of books there.

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So you know what?

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And there's books that I have read that I for some reason didn't put on my Goodreads,

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but I can't remember when I started the Goodreads, honestly.

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And I can't remember when.

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I know that between when Mike and I first met and now, I had read quite a few books

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on how to control my anger.

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And this was all because of Mike.

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No, I'm just kidding.

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It wasn't because of Mike.

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It's because of other reasons.

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But I had one instance in my life where my now wife, she wasn't my wife at the time,

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had said something to me along the lines of, you know, you're so angry all the time and

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it doesn't make any sense.

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And for some reason that kind of stuck with me and I wanted to then fix it.

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You know, like what could I do?

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Not go to therapy, of course.

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And at that time, it wasn't as easy as our podcast.

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So I had to do something else.

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And that was read books about anger management kind of thing.

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And I don't remember what those books were called that I read.

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I could try and look them up.

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But I know that those helped a lot because I still get angry.

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You know, you still have emotions.

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These books are not going to get rid of your emotions or your bad feelings.

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I guess I mean, if we're going to do kind of a disclaimer at the top, you know what

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I mean?

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But like these aren't going to be the end all cure all because it's a giant, giant industry.

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And if you know one thing, you can write a self help book about it and make millions

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of dollars, I guess.

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So that's that for that.

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Oh, go on, Mike.

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Oh, no, I'm nothing.

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Nothing.

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It's just a tick.

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Nate's been talking a lot.

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I must get in word in edgewise.

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No, no, no.

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Just teasing.

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I talk a lot and I shouldn't because that's really not who I am in the grand scheme of

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life.

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I'm like an introvert.

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But which was funny that my friend the last episode from high school did not believe that.

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Anyway, I'm going to start with the interpersonal.

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And I think I'm going to start with kind of the the OG of interpersonal books.

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Right?

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This is the book that a lot of people will say, like, if you ever read this book, then

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you don't know what you're talking about.

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That's not my philosophy on this book.

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This book is a very good book on, I think, even karma to some extent, which is weird

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because karma is not really something you can control.

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But maybe it is.

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You know what I mean?

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And I don't believe in karma necessarily.

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But I believe I guess maybe I do because I believe if you're a good person and treat

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people well or good, you'll be treated well and good in the future by other people.

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But who would know how you treated so and so from 15 years ago?

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But if you're trying to be the best you you can be, then maybe karma is a thing because

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you'll know.

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And maybe maybe nobody else knows.

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I don't know.

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Anyway, enough for play.

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The first book I want to talk about is, and I'm sure, Mike, you've heard of this, How

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to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.

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I have heard of this.

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This is an older book.

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But basically, the title doesn't translate well to modern times because influencing people

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doesn't translate well to a social media, influencers, got to get the TikTok likes or

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whatever the fuck kind of society.

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But that's not what this book was about.

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This book was about mostly winning friends.

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The influencing part was more about being heard than it was about influencing people

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for nefarious ends.

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And one of the one of the stories is that Dale was walking to go pick up his girlfriend

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or something.

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Maybe he was driving.

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I don't remember.

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It's been a little bit since I read the book.

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And somebody cut him off or he bumped into somebody.

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And instead of saying, hey, watch where you're going, asshole.

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He said, oh, hey, I'm sorry, my mistake.

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Are you okay?

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Blah, blah, blah.

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Like nice, just general like niceties.

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Right.

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And he found out that that person was the father of the girl he was going to pick up.

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Right.

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And so he spent a whole chapter describing how had he been an asshole to this person,

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it would have not gone well for him in the end.

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Right.

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And the point wasn't really to get into a girl's pants as some people in 2024 might

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be thinking.

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It was more about, you know, before you burn that bridge, before you shout that shout,

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before you call that name, before you do these things, just do the nice thing.

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Win friends.

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Everybody's a potential friend.

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Everybody's a potential ally, you know, in the broad spectrum of maybe like 1950s, hopeless,

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optimistic sense.

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Right.

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But it's, but it's, it's more a common sense book than it is how to influence people.

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You know what I mean?

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If the whole thing is that if people like you, they'll listen to what you have to say.

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And that's the kind of the, the influence part.

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Right.

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Right.

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Never read it.

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It's a short, quick read.

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You know, if you, if you haven't read it, it doesn't matter.

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You know, I mean, that's the whole point with these self-help books.

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Some of this stuff you, Mike, already have, you, the listener already have, you don't

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need to be told about it.

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But if you find yourself where you're like, gee, I wish, you know, more people will listen

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to what I have to say or this or that.

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I mean, I'm talking about from my perspective and my personal struggles and my things.

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I grew up in a household that was fairly totalitarian and angry.

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You know, that was what I had modeled for me.

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A lot of anger.

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And so reading something like how to win friends and influence people, even though it's old

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and from a long time ago, it helped me out.

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It was something I didn't get at home.

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So you know, and it's one of those kinds of classics when, when people say self-help book

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or something like that, you know, like that's one of the top 10 people think of probably,

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I would imagine.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's, I would imagine that everybody listening is at least heard that title.

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Yeah.

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So do you, do you want me to just go through my list?

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Do you have, do you have them separated out and interpersonal?

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Do you want me to go through mine and then you do yours or how do you want to do?

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Yeah.

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Why don't you go through yours?

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I have the feeling that you've probably read all of the books that I'm going to say minus

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one or two.

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And like I say, like half of them are probably not really self-help books, but they are related.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I took, I took some liberties too, because you know, is it really self-help or

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is it really something different?

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Like it's hard.

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It's hard to kind of quantify these.

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The next one is one of the most amazing books I've ever read in my life.

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And this is still in my interpersonal category.

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And I put it here instead of the parenting, because this is really not to do with parenting,

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but it's to do with being a child of a parent and how to interact with that.

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And this book is called Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents.

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And this one is by Lindsay, Lindsay C. Gibson.

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And this is one of the most life-changing or life-affirming, my struggle-affirming books

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I've ever read in my entire life.

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Really?

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But you know, being not a Mike person with my situation, this basically accurately to

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a T described both of my parents and what had happened in my life.

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And this isn't to say that this book is blaming your parents, but it's explaining their actions

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so that you can kind of like reconcile them as an adult.

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This isn't, you know, like, hey, I'm a 12 year old and my parents suck and they won't

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let me go on TikTok or watch what...

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I don't know what the kids are doing these days, but this is more of a, I feel like I'm

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fucked up from my childhood, but I don't know why.

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And this book is basically like, hey, they tried their best, but here's why everything

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kind of sucked.

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You know?

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Yeah, I've never read it.

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I added it to my list.

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Okay.

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I mean, you know, if you feel like you have a need to read it, they go through the spectrum

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of emotionally immature parents, you know, and they have checklists kind of at the head

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of each chapter where they're like, yay, if your parents did any of these things, like

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even two of them, they were emotionally immature, which is fine.

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Like I get it.

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I am emotionally immature and I'm a parent and I'm trying not to do a lot of the things

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that were done to me when I was a kid.

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Not that anything was nefarious or terrible necessarily, you know what I mean?

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But there are things you have to kind of come to terms with as an adult from your childhood.

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Right.

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So it's not really a blame game book.

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I just want to make that clear because if you're alive and able to read and better yourself,

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your parents did an okay job.

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You know what I mean?

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Like we're not trying to throw any parents under the bus or do anything like that, but

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this is more of a maybe why your parents are the way they are or why they might be the

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kind of the way they are.

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So it's not really a anti-parent book.

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You know what I mean?

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It sounds like the title can sound like, oh, adult children of emotionally immature parents.

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Like that sounds like a terrible thing, but it's not really like a name calling book at

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all.

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So I just want to make that clear because sometimes people are like, well, my parents

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were fine.

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And it's like, yeah, all parents were fine.

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Like if you're still alive and you're doing things, you know, like, yeah, they did a good

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job.

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It's fine.

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It's all good.

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But if you have issues internally, like this is probably a good book to read.

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It doesn't matter.

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You know?

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Yes.

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Related to this, I have a book.

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It's called Narcissistic Mother's How to Handle a Narcissistic Parent.

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I have not read that one.

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That is not my book.

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I was recommended to read it to understand somebody else's parent.

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And I found it to be illuminating.

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Very interesting.

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Nice.

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It's like a very explained kind of behavior patterns that are recognizable, let's say.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I'll have to check that one out.

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No, not, I don't.

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I mean, that's the hard thing about these books is some of the titles are like, oh,

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I'll have to check that out.

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Why?

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Because you have a narcissistic mother or narcissistic mother-in-law?

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Well, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Probably not.

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You know what I mean?

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Like I get along with everybody now.

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There were some rough times for sure, but you know, understanding is understanding, I

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guess.

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Right.

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You have a narcissistic mother, so maybe it'll just be another tool in your tool belt, let's

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say.

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The next book I have on here is called You're Not Listening by Kate Murphy.

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And it mostly talks about, and I kind of hate this phrase because it's a corporate lingo

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thing where I work, but it's the be here now.

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Sure.

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You know, like be present.

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If somebody's talking to you, don't be checking your Instagram or your phone or whatever.

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It's just a good eye opening kind of, you know, giving people attention or getting attention

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from people and things like that.

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I read it a little bit ago, so I'm not as remembering of everything in there other than

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I read it very highly.

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So it's just one of those things.

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If you feel like you're not, if you're not getting kind of the feedback you want from

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people or people aren't getting the feedback they want from you, it is especially important

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now where we have social media in our pocket all the time and notifications and all this

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stuff.

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So this next one is, I don't know if you've heard of this one, Mike, this one's a downer

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for sure.

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It's a huge downer.

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It's called The Last Lecture by Randy Pausch and Jeffrey Zaslow.

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And this professor has a terminal illness.

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And so he soldiers on to prepare basically his last lecture and tell people what he wished

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he would have known at their age and stuff like that.

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And it's, I don't know, I don't know how to describe it.

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It's like a once in a lifetime look into this sort of situation.

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Would you recommend it?

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Yes.

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Oh, hell yes.

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It's a very short book, but it's one of those things where it's like you've got the person

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who has the audience because they're a professor, they have a terminal illness and they have

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somebody else who wants to help capture that and put it into book form.

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So it's kind of a perfect storm of the ultimate sad.

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It's not an ultimate sad book.

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You know, it's an uplifting book, but you know that the person delivering the last lecture,

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it was in fact their last lecture.

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You know what I mean?

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Right.

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I would definitely recommend that one.

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Another one I recommend, well, I'm just working down my list here.

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So they're all ones I'd recommend.

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I wouldn't put something on my list that I wouldn't recommend.

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The next one is called The Art of Asking and it's by Amanda Palmer.

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And she is a musician, a solo musician.

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And she was also, she's also part of the Dresden Dolls.

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So if you remember Coin Operator Boy, probably their biggest hit.

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And she was at least through the pandemic, but shortly after the pandemic they got divorced,

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but she was married to Neil Gaiman, the author, the fiction author.

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And I do know who that is.

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Yes.

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And she's very, very, very, very, very liberal.

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And I actually met her briefly before one of her shows, but not the point.

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The point is that, you know, musicians or performers are typically very egotistical

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and don't want to ask for help.

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And so The Art of Asking is basically her going through her life and highlighting all

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the times that she asked for help and how much it actually did help her.

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So for those of us, especially in the Midwest, where you're supposed to be polite and you're

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supposed to be self resilient and you're supposed to be all of these things, The Art of Asking

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can ease you into asking for help because how do you get better outside of asking for

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help?

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That is very true.

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That is very true.

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I've been in multiple workplaces where asking for help was frowned upon, which is foolish

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to say the least.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I've heard it said, and I don't know if this is true, but I've heard psychologically,

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if you ask somebody for a favor, they are more likely to like you than if you don't

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ask them for a favor.

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Of course, there's people that will manipulate that and yada yada, but I don't know.

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I feel like asking somebody for help and bring somebody else into your sphere of concerns

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at any rate, and you could potentially learn something that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

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All right.

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The next book I have is called Mindset and it's by Carol S. Dweck.

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Have you heard that one, Mike?

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No, I have not.

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I don't remember much about it.

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And this kind of thing is like, you can read a lot of these self help books and little

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things kind of stick out to you or you remember them, but you don't necessarily remember where

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you remember them from.

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But mindset is all about mindset, of course.

495
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,600
So talking about how you perceive things that are happening and then what you do with that

496
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,600
perception.

497
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:49,040
And it's very easy to overreact to things you don't know, as evidenced by Mike and myself's

498
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,880
origin story, where we were both of the incorrect mindset.

499
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:54,880
And now look at us.

500
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:55,880
You know?

501
00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:01,280
It's just one of those things where it will kind of enlightens you on how you kind of

502
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:07,480
take things in and perceive them and how to maybe circumvent some of those initial predilections,

503
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,520
predilections, whatever.

504
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,800
Yes.

505
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,120
First impressions can be very misleading, to put it that way.

506
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:16,120
Yeah.

507
00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:19,240
And it's weird because there's a saying like, there's no impression like the first impression

508
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,460
or something like that, or like the first impression is the only impression you get.

509
00:24:22,460 --> 00:24:23,720
And that's not necessarily true.

510
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,280
No, not if you're talking about somebody who is conscientious.

511
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,760
If you're highly conscientious, then that is certainly not the case.

512
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:31,760
Yeah, for sure.

513
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,720
I'm about halfway through my cigar.

514
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,720
Me as well.

515
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:35,720
Me as well.

516
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:36,720
I like it.

517
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:37,720
I'm surprised with how good it is.

518
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,360
I like it as well.

519
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:40,680
It is very good.

520
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,960
I'm not saying it's as good as an Edge.

521
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:43,960
No.

522
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,600
I'm not saying it's as good as a Series R.

523
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:47,600
No.

524
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:53,640
But it's better than a Dark Shark, which is kind of our, I would say, dark shark.

525
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,520
That's a baseline for like minimum level of goodness, right?

526
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,960
If you're worse than a Dark Shark, then you're not good.

527
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:02,440
I would not consider the Dark Shark to be good.

528
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,360
It's acceptable and it's good if you put tequila on it.

529
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:06,360
It's decent.

530
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:07,360
You know what I mean?

531
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:10,040
Like it's one of those ones where it's like, well, I don't have anything else to smoke,

532
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,480
but I got a Dark Shark, or I might only smoke half of this, so I got a Dark Shark.

533
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,480
Right.

534
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,840
So I, yeah, I think this one's good so far.

535
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:19,840
All right.

536
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,640
The next one, and you might have heard of this author.

537
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,240
Have you heard of Brene Brown?

538
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,240
No.

539
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,240
Okay.

540
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,520
She's written a lot of books, a lot of books.

541
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,840
I've enjoyed all of her books, but for me, the standout book of hers that I've given

542
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,680
to other people is called Braving the Wilderness.

543
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,680
I like the title.

544
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,300
The title is fantastic and it has nothing to do with how to build a campfire or things

545
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:46,760
like that, but the wilderness is kind of things that maybe you're afraid to do or feelings

546
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,760
you're afraid to have or whatever, and I would highly recommend it.

547
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,720
I feel like we're over halfway in the cigar, and so I kind of want to speed this along

548
00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,240
a little bit because I have a lot more books than Mike has on my list.

549
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:06,320
But just know that all of the books that I'm listing out, I thoroughly enjoy and recommend

550
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,200
to people based on what they are looking for.

551
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,040
The next one is one of my...

552
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,040
So these are all interpersonal relationships, interpersonal books.

553
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:23,720
This next one here is one of the two on here that I have that are specifically related

554
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:24,720
to...

555
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:31,800
They're not necessarily a married couple books, but they are intimate partner books, if that

556
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,200
makes sense.

557
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,260
This one is called Love is Never Enough by Aaron T. Beck.

558
00:26:37,260 --> 00:26:42,920
It's a little bit older, it's a little bit older, but I've read a lot of books from even

559
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:48,120
just the beginning of this subsection, Dale Carnegie and stuff.

560
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:55,600
So a lot of older books sometimes have contrary values to modern society, but I didn't find

561
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,040
this one to be that.

562
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:02,040
This one is basically saying just because you love somebody, that's not it, that's not

563
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,040
the end of it.

564
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,480
You can't just say, I love you, I'm going to go snort lines of coke off of a stripper's

565
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,880
ass and love should be enough.

566
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:15,800
You know what I mean, it is kind of talking about the very different interpersonal relationship

567
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,600
you have with somebody that you are in a romantic relationship with.

568
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,080
It's still not...

569
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:26,800
It's my number two for marriage or romantic relationship books.

570
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,200
So this one's number two.

571
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:34,960
Number one for me is How to Improve Your Marriage Without Talking About It.

572
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,760
That one's by Patricia Love and Stephen Stoesnay.

573
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,160
But that one is phenomenal because it basically...

574
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,600
The whole premise of the book is it's not your partner, it's you.

575
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:56,600
Which in my opinion, because my parents divorced when I was 25, my whole take on that is 50-50

576
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,600
split.

577
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,500
They're both responsible.

578
00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:03,760
Maybe it's 60-40, maybe it's 55-45, whatever it might be.

579
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,120
I don't know, who knows?

580
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:10,640
I'm not the person that assigns those values, but it's both of them.

581
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,880
It takes two people.

582
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,560
But a lot of these books are like, well, your partner is dumb and you just keep doing what

583
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:17,560
you're doing.

584
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,560
If they don't see it, then get a divorce and blah, blah, blah and do this or break off

585
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,320
the relationship or whatever it is.

586
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,640
But this one's kind of like, look, man, you're not doing enough.

587
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,780
You could be doing more.

588
00:28:27,780 --> 00:28:30,480
If you want to be treated a certain way, treat them a certain way.

589
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:36,200
I mean, it's very common sense and straightforward and it didn't make me feel bad.

590
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,200
You know what I mean?

591
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,520
It didn't make me feel bad.

592
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,520
I was just like, oh, I'm kind of in my own head and this is getting me out of my own

593
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,360
head and getting to see some other people's perspectives.

594
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,880
That's my number one kind of like marriage serious relationship book, how to improve

595
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,720
your marriage without talking about it.

596
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,080
This next book here I read because I'm an introvert and a lot of people don't understand

597
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,160
what introversion is.

598
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,880
They think an introvert is shy.

599
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,040
They think an introvert can't public speak.

600
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,880
They think different things, right?

601
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,400
And I have no problem public speaking.

602
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,720
I would rather not do it, but I'm not nervous about doing it.

603
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,360
I have no problem talking to hundreds or thousands of people.

604
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,720
That's not a big issue for me.

605
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,480
I would rather not do it, of course, but it's not an issue.

606
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,480
But given the choice between smoking a cigar, drinking some booze and talking with Mike

607
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,480
versus going to a frat party, I'm going to pick Mike.

608
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,200
You know what I mean, or I'm going to pick reading a book at home, obviously, because

609
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,880
I've got a thousand books on this list here for our episode tonight.

610
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,480
But this next book really explains kind of introversion.

611
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,360
And if you're an introvert, you'll love it.

612
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,480
And if you're an extrovert, it will give you an insight into what the introvert in your

613
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,480
life is feeling.

614
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,640
And it's called Quiet, The Power of Introverts in a World That Won't Stop Talking by Susan

615
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,640
Kane.

616
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:57,280
And I thought that was the most, there's a lot of books kind of about introverts, but

617
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,160
this was the best that I've read.

618
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,560
I don't think we're going to get through your whole list.

619
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,560
We will.

620
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:04,560
We will.

621
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:05,560
This is my biggest section.

622
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,560
I'm going to speed it up.

623
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,960
The next one I have on here, you might have heard of this one, Mike, you might have read

624
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:09,960
it.

625
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,560
It's Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl.

626
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,560
Nope, I've heard of it.

627
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,560
Yeah.

628
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:22,040
He's a Holocaust survivor and he wrote this book or conceived a lot of the ideas for this

629
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,920
book while he was in a concentration camp.

630
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,840
So I think it's one of those books that shouldn't be uplifting, but it is.

631
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:33,040
I'm not saying it shouldn't be, but it could very easily be not an uplifting book, but

632
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,040
it is.

633
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,040
I don't know.

634
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,880
I think of all the books we talk about this episode, this one is probably one you should

635
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,880
read.

636
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:40,880
Give it a go.

637
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,200
It's a very unique perspective because he was a psychologist before going to the concentration

638
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,200
camp.

639
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,160
So he had a very unique perspective well there.

640
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,760
I've got another Dale Carnegie book here, How to Stop Worrying and Start Living for

641
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,920
People That Like to Worry About a Lot of Things.

642
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,720
I used to worry about everything all the time.

643
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,840
This book isn't necessarily what cured me, but this one's a good kind of look at that

644
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,960
mindset and how to stop doing it.

645
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:12,720
The next one I have is called Grit by Angela Duckworth and it's Persisting Through Hard

646
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,720
Times.

647
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,560
This next one is another older one, but I really enjoyed it and it sounds like a complete

648
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:24,680
like 1920s like caricature of the 1920s, but it's called Life is Tremendous by Charlie

649
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,600
Tremendous Jones.

650
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:32,440
It's a very short book, but basically kind of the having a positive outlook on life and

651
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,600
things and whatnot.

652
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,680
And in terms of a self-help primer, this book is big.

653
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,000
It's a long book, but it's got excerpts from a lot of the books that we just mentioned

654
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,320
or that I just mentioned and it's Og Mandino's University of Success.

655
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:52,680
It's not written really by Og Mandino, but it's edited or curated by him.

656
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,200
And so one of the chapters in there is from Life is Tremendous, which I just mentioned.

657
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,280
So it's a good kind of, you don't know where to start, give it a read and whatever you

658
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:06,500
jive with or gel with or whatever the cool kids are saying these days, then read more

659
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:07,500
of that author.

660
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:09,440
But that's it for my interpersonal.

661
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,080
Do you have any more interpersonal books, Mike?

662
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,880
No, I don't think so.

663
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:14,880
Okay.

664
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,240
I wish I wasn't talking as much, but God damn it, here we are.

665
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,240
Oh, I do.

666
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,240
I lied.

667
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,240
I have one.

668
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,680
It's How to Work with Anyone, which is a lecture.

669
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:28,280
It's not really a book, but it's a business lecture about working with difficult people.

670
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,920
Not that I necessarily work with difficult people, but it's always good to know how to

671
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,640
deal with people that are not cooperative.

672
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:37,640
Yeah.

673
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,240
And you might get that even if they're not difficult, like you said, they may not be

674
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,880
cooperative or they may not buy into your vision or what have you.

675
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,600
I strive to be the difficult person that other people have to work with.

676
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,280
I woke up and I'm going to make it everybody's problem.

677
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,600
Yes.

678
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,640
I try not to do that.

679
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,640
I'm just kidding.

680
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,600
I try not to do that, but sometimes I can't help myself.

681
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,080
I have one book in the finance subcategory.

682
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,280
I don't know if you've read this one, Mike.

683
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:13,160
I had some career or job roles in the retirement department of a couple of different companies.

684
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,320
This one is called I Will Teach You to Be Rich by Ramit Sethi.

685
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,320
Okay.

686
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:22,320
I don't know if you've heard of it, but he's kind of like a young millennial author who

687
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,640
writes for other young millennials, but he kind of explains how you want to structure

688
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,480
your 401k and rebalance it every year, which I haven't done.

689
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,480
I need to go in and do it.

690
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:39,080
I'm not following the instructions, but basically I don't know that he can promise that you'll

691
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:44,780
be rich, but he's basically giving you an insight in how to be a little bit more knowledgeable

692
00:33:44,780 --> 00:33:52,960
in some of your retirement 401k stuff, rudimentary budgeting, things like that.

693
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,520
It's a primer on what you don't know and what you should know.

694
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,800
You can always look up more stuff on the things you don't know that he's talking about.

695
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,720
I thought that one was very well written.

696
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,480
It was very accessible.

697
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,280
You don't have to understand what a hedge fund is to read this book.

698
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,760
All right.

699
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,840
My next category is, I don't know if you have any finance books, Mike.

700
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:13,840
Nope.

701
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:14,840
Okay.

702
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:15,840
The next category is productivity.

703
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,680
This one, I'm sure you have read or were mandated to read or whatever.

704
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,160
I got away with not reading this one in high school.

705
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,680
I did not read this one in high school.

706
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:30,160
I did not like the teacher that was suggesting these books, this book, and I never took his

707
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:35,600
class, so it worked out for me, but I read it then as an adult and I really liked it.

708
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:36,600
It's really good.

709
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,400
The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey.

710
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,040
I was mandatory.

711
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,000
It was mandatory reading when I was in college, so I have read it.

712
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,360
Do you have any thoughts on it?

713
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:51,680
I mean, by the time I had read it, it seemed like old hat type of stuff.

714
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:56,520
I didn't quite understand why it's such a phenomenon.

715
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:57,520
Yeah.

716
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,720
I mean, that's part of the trouble with the self-help books, right?

717
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:04,920
You write The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People and then all of a sudden you have the

718
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,320
eighth habit, the ninth habit, the tenth habit.

719
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,960
He's got all these other books out there, but I think in terms of if you're trying to

720
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,040
start somewhere, it's a good read.

721
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,400
Even if you're already doing the stuff, it's affirming to what you're doing, kind of like

722
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,040
the Augmanditos University of Success.

723
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,600
If you read Augmanditos University of Success and Seven Habits of Highly Effective People,

724
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:30,080
you're going to be ahead of a majority of people in life, I think, with the inner thoughts

725
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,760
and figuring out things for yourself.

726
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:33,760
I don't know.

727
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:34,760
I was impressed with it.

728
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:35,760
I didn't read it in high school or college.

729
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,960
It was never mandated to me to read.

730
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,800
Sometimes books that you're forced to read have less impact than the books you choose

731
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:43,800
to read.

732
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:44,800
Right.

733
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,160
I mean, I see posters of The Seven Habits all over the place.

734
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,560
That's sort of like it's entered the cultural zeitgeist.

735
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,560
Yeah, it's a cliche now.

736
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,560
It's a cliche now.

737
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,680
It was probably very influential and important.

738
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,520
You don't become a meme of yourself without having a good point or two.

739
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,560
Yeah, for sure.

740
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:08,720
And everything's kind of a meme or a cliche these days, like the cat hanging off the thing,

741
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:12,960
like hang in there, that motivational poster or those other motivational posters you see

742
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:18,220
in corporate office spaces where it's like live to work and work to die or something

743
00:36:18,220 --> 00:36:19,220
like that.

744
00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:20,360
You know, like that's not...

745
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,360
These aren't the kind of books I'm trying to recommend.

746
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:28,520
It's just if you want to better yourself in different areas or certain areas, that's all

747
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,500
we were trying to do with this.

748
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:35,720
This next book had a profound impact on me and I've kind of drifted away from it because,

749
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:38,640
I don't know, sometimes these things are a lot more work than they're worth.

750
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,600
But this next one is called Getting Things Done by David Allen.

751
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,240
The basic premise is if there's something that comes across your desk that needs to

752
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:52,000
be done, if it can be done in, I don't know, if it's like two minutes or less, do it right

753
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,000
then.

754
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,000
Just do it.

755
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,000
Just do it and get it done.

756
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,600
If it takes more than that, then schedule it out.

757
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,600
But put it...

758
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,600
Like have a system.

759
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,840
Like have a system to schedule things out.

760
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:05,320
You know, have a reminder system or, you know, like Google Calendar, you can set reminders.

761
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,640
A lot of different apps will do reminders and things or things you need to do for each

762
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,640
day.

763
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,880
So it's just kind of a very strict system of if you have a lot of things coming in,

764
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,280
which at the time that I read this, I had a lot of things coming in because I was doing

765
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,160
a different job than I'm doing now.

766
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,400
I had a lot of different things coming in.

767
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,960
I had a lot of different people to kind of make happy.

768
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,080
I had a lot of different goals to meet.

769
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,260
This book helped me organize all of that stuff.

770
00:37:29,260 --> 00:37:30,260
And it was fantastic.

771
00:37:30,260 --> 00:37:35,320
I don't follow it to the T anymore because I don't have that same need I had previously.

772
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,800
But if you have a lot of stuff on your plate, you got a lot of requests or asks for your

773
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,600
time, this is a good book to kind of manage those.

774
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,680
I don't know if you've heard of that one.

775
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,600
The next one is The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg.

776
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,940
And this one I feel...

777
00:37:49,940 --> 00:37:54,280
And I haven't read Atomic Habits, but I feel this one is kind of the...

778
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,060
In the similar vein is that one where the power of habit, this one's basically saying,

779
00:37:58,060 --> 00:38:03,640
if you find yourself wanting to eat less sweets, you need to...

780
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,040
He breaks down what kind of makes a habit.

781
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,080
You've got the motivating factor.

782
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,440
I'm bored at work.

783
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,440
What do I do?

784
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,520
I go eat some candy from the vending machine or whatever.

785
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:15,520
You know, whatever it is.

786
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:22,000
And he's basically saying, when you get the trigger, then change the outcome.

787
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,400
So you get the trigger that you're bored.

788
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:28,560
Well, instead of getting candy, go eat a carrot or go walk around or do some jumping jacks

789
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:29,560
or whatever.

790
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:35,200
So it's basically getting into how humans form habits and then how to...

791
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:41,000
I don't know if hacking is the right word, but like how to hack or intervene or circumvent

792
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,240
some of those triggers and make them work for you.

793
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:45,240
It's eye-opening.

794
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:46,800
It's interesting, human psyche.

795
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:47,800
Yes.

796
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,640
Do you have any productivity books, Mike?

797
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,120
I wouldn't call them productivity.

798
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,120
They'd be more self-development.

799
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,160
Okay.

800
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,920
Maybe that's under the leadership because that's the next section I have.

801
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:57,920
Sure.

802
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,120
I guess productivity would be the creative act by Rick Rubin.

803
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,040
And it was...

804
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:12,520
It's mostly autobiography about Rick Rubin and how he does his artistic process.

805
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:18,640
And it's kind of about how to set up your environment and how to set up a mindset that

806
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,040
leads to productivity, artistic productivity.

807
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,040
That's interesting.

808
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,520
I don't know if it was really a self-help book.

809
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:27,520
It's borderline.

810
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,880
Well, a lot of these are kind of borderline anyway.

811
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,000
What does Rick Rubin do for art?

812
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,000
Rick Rubin's a music producer.

813
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Oh, okay.

814
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Yeah.

815
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,720
He produced a lot of the famous albums from the late 20th century.

816
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:47,800
So like Beastie Boys, he produced for almost every major band, it seems like.

817
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:48,800
Okay, yeah.

818
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,760
He hit it big and then had a slump and then he kind of revived their careers.

819
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,040
He worked with Johnny Cash.

820
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,960
He was one of the founders of Def Jam Records back in the day.

821
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:58,960
Oh, for sure.

822
00:39:58,960 --> 00:39:59,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

823
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:03,240
He's had a very prolific career in the music industry.

824
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:04,240
So yeah, yeah.

825
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:05,240
Super interesting.

826
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:06,240
I'll have to read that one.

827
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:07,240
Yeah.

828
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:09,640
He's an interesting cat, you know, real weird guy.

829
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:10,640
Yeah.

830
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,800
You know, you got to read those ones that are super interesting.

831
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,520
He's like a weird, like just a really interesting guy.

832
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,760
Like he was more really obese for his entire life.

833
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,160
So he went to these dieticians because he was super wealthy and he had like a super

834
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,940
model wife and all that, you know, but he's like a fat ass.

835
00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:29,200
And basically it came down to he just drinks protein shakes and that's all he lives on

836
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,520
now because that's his metabolism is so fucked from years of sitting in a office.

837
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,520
Yeah, for sure.

838
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,760
Like he's just a weird guy.

839
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,960
So interesting to learn his process.

840
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:40,960
Yeah.

841
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,080
So yeah, yeah.

842
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:47,040
And then I read Can't Hurt Me by David Goggins, which is also mostly autobiographical.

843
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:53,720
And the moral of that story is like just creating using your own hatred to like get tasks done.

844
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:54,720
Yeah.

845
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:55,720
Kind of.

846
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:56,720
Yeah.

847
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:00,800
Like turning your negative inner emotions on the problem instead of yourself, basically.

848
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,800
Yeah.

849
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:02,800
So.

850
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,640
Yeah, I mean, it's hard to quantify or categorize a lot of these books because they kind of

851
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,440
touch on a lot of different things.

852
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,360
What was your next book, Mike?

853
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,360
Oh, it's The Art of Living, which is like a by a Buddhist monk.

854
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:14,360
I've heard of that one.

855
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,360
Yeah.

856
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,360
Yeah, yeah.

857
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,520
And then Mindfulness.

858
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:22,480
And his big promotion is that you should practice mindfulness in your daily tasks.

859
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:30,120
He's really anti not anti cell phone, but he's anti the sort of over busy society that

860
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,720
we've created, you know?

861
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:32,720
Yeah.

862
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:36,560
Where he wants people to calm their mind and like have a conversation with themselves on

863
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:37,560
a daily basis.

864
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:38,560
Yep.

865
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:39,560
Yep.

866
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,040
I do enjoy mindfulness.

867
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,160
There was a book that I read and I can put it on this list, but it would fall in my next

868
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,920
category under leadership and it was creating the space to lead.

869
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,520
I can't remember who the author was right now, but I'm sure if you look it up, you'll

870
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:55,520
find it.

871
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:00,480
But it was all mindfulness principles where, you know, leaders are leaders, but if you

872
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,800
don't have the space to lead, you need to create that space as a leader to lead.

873
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,840
So I do enjoy the mindfulness.

874
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,360
I've read a lot of mindfulness things.

875
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,980
Not many of them made the list for, I don't know why, maybe because I didn't rate them

876
00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:18,760
on Goodreads when I was researching this stuff, but I do enjoy that.

877
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,320
Well, there's downsides to everything too.

878
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,480
Like David Goggins is very open about the fact that his style of thinking has led him

879
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,800
to have a very successful career, but it's also led him to have like three divorces,

880
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:31,800
right?

881
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,040
Like he's very difficult to live with.

882
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,120
Being somebody who uses his inner hatred to get tasks done.

883
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,120
Yes.

884
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,120
Yes.

885
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,120
Okay.

886
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,120
Leadership.

887
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,120
Yeah, leadership.

888
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,480
The next one is How to Win at the Support of Business by Mark Cuban.

889
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,120
And this one is a very, very short book.

890
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,640
I feel like a lot of the leadership stuff, I don't know that winning at the support of

891
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:59,600
business isn't necessarily leadership because a lot of corporate entities believe that being

892
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,760
a manager or supervisor equals being a leader.

893
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,640
And that's a hundred percent not true.

894
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,760
One hundred percent not true.

895
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,240
Leader and manager are not synonymous at all.

896
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,080
You can be one without the other or the other without the other.

897
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,080
You know what I mean?

898
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,920
This book was a very good insight, you know, kind of business leadership, I guess.

899
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:20,920
Let's just say that.

900
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:27,280
The next one I have on here is called Extreme Ownership by Jaco Willink and Leif Babin.

901
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:32,640
And it's basically the premise of that book is if you are a leader, you own everything.

902
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,640
Everything.

903
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,040
So somebody on your team fails, that's your failure.

904
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,140
But that's the leader.

905
00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:38,140
That's not manager.

906
00:43:38,140 --> 00:43:39,140
That's leader.

907
00:43:39,140 --> 00:43:42,060
So managers will pawn everything off on somebody else.

908
00:43:42,060 --> 00:43:47,280
But a leader takes ownership over the failures of their team or the successes of their team

909
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,160
or, you know, the successes of their team.

910
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,000
They will give the individual credit to those that succeeded.

911
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,000
You know what I mean?

912
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,020
But the extreme ownership is you can't just take the good and pawn off the bad.

913
00:43:58,020 --> 00:44:00,920
It's you own everything as a leader.

914
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:06,020
And that could, you know, a lot of these things, a lot of these premises and philosophies and

915
00:44:06,020 --> 00:44:12,120
things like, I don't know, man, the parenting and the leadership books are almost hand in

916
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,120
hand.

917
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,680
The same thing in my mind.

918
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:15,680
Sure.

919
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,680
They have similarities.

920
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,880
Well, what's the goal of a leader, Mike?

921
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,640
To lead successful missions or something like that, I'm guessing.

922
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:23,640
No, no.

923
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,640
The goal of a leader is to create more leaders so you don't have to do all this stuff.

924
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,440
You want to create more leaders.

925
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,640
What's the goal of parenting?

926
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,360
You want to raise other adults.

927
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,120
You don't want to raise a three year old.

928
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,780
You want to raise an adult that can do things on their own.

929
00:44:37,780 --> 00:44:39,840
You know, so it's very similar.

930
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,960
I mean, they're cross purposes or whatever.

931
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:43,960
They're similar.

932
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,820
They're the Venn diagram.

933
00:44:45,820 --> 00:44:48,240
There's an overlap, I guess.

934
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:53,680
And then I put on here as my last leadership book, I mean, there's so many leadership books.

935
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:59,060
There's one written by a Navy general, like Make the Bed or something like doing the small

936
00:44:59,060 --> 00:45:01,120
tasks every day kind of thing.

937
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:02,560
I didn't put it on here.

938
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,080
I wanted to mention it though.

939
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,480
But this next one is called Failing Forward.

940
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,240
It's by John C. Maxwell.

941
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:11,200
John Maxwell has written a thousand books.

942
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,760
Like anything you can think of with leadership, he's written on.

943
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,580
You really can't go wrong with a John Maxwell book because he's very conversational in tone

944
00:45:20,580 --> 00:45:22,160
with everything.

945
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,740
And you get the feeling he genuinely likes you as a person.

946
00:45:26,740 --> 00:45:29,480
You know, like if you're reading his book, you want to get better.

947
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:30,920
So therefore you're a good person.

948
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:31,920
You know what I mean?

949
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,600
It's not a condescending tone at all.

950
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,820
And anything you might want to know about, like if John Maxwell has written about it,

951
00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:45,760
you're probably getting a pretty good start on that path, I guess.

952
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:46,760
If that makes sense.

953
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,840
Do you have any other leadership books, Mike?

954
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,200
This is kind of classic literature, but I put it on here anyway.

955
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,960
The Prince by Machiavelli.

956
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:02,840
Because it is kind of like how to be a conniving backstabber and strategies for not getting

957
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,040
caught.

958
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,400
It's interesting.

959
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:14,840
It's not necessarily would be considered positive today's society, but it's definitely about

960
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,960
leadership in a certain way.

961
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:24,520
Well, and the whole point of leadership is you have to understand opposing leadership

962
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:30,160
styles, or even if you are maybe not in a position of power, but you still are a leader,

963
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:35,680
how to understand those other people in power.

964
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,040
So I would put it in there.

965
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,800
There's a lot of other books I could have listed, but I had a pretty long list to begin

966
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,800
with.

967
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:52,000
I put the Art of War on as well, which is kind of strategy, like old timey strategy.

968
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,520
And people find it inspirational.

969
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,160
I didn't find it to be inspirational.

970
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,480
Maybe there's something wrong with me.

971
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,720
I did not find either one of those books to be particularly inspirational, which apparently

972
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:03,720
people do.

973
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:05,000
I haven't read Art of War.

974
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,480
I wanted to put, and I didn't put it on here.

975
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,120
I wanted to put Meditations by Marcus Aurelius.

976
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,960
But I didn't quite know where to put it.

977
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:19,120
It's just more of a general kind of, it's more philosophy than it is self-help, I guess.

978
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:24,920
A lot of philosophy is the leader, the precursor to self-help.

979
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:31,000
And I think, if we're going to go into philosophy, just briefly, maybe philosophy is not quite

980
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,080
the right word, maybe ideology.

981
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,280
Some people have religion, that's what they try to base their life around.

982
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,040
Some people have philosophy.

983
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,520
Some people don't have anything.

984
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:47,160
And I think, find people that think like you want to think, or think like you think, or

985
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,160
live the life you want to live, or treat people the way you want to treat people.

986
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,800
And then read more about that.

987
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,800
I guess I'm not trying to say like, you need to read all these books and then this will

988
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:57,800
make you a good person.

989
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:03,440
I think just the act of reading a book to try and better yourself or make yourself better

990
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,720
in certain areas is a win.

991
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:08,260
It doesn't have to be the books that we list off here.

992
00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:09,860
It could be anything.

993
00:48:09,860 --> 00:48:16,760
But I know that the self-help book industry is rife for manipulation and people that are

994
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,360
terrible human beings that just pump out these books.

995
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:26,760
I wanted to try and, I don't know, pull Mike and my collective brains and what we've read

996
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,840
and what stood out to us as good books to start with.

997
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,080
If you don't like them, don't like them.

998
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,160
That's fine.

999
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,360
There's other books and other things that you could read.

1000
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,000
So the next section on here is parenting for me.

1001
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,840
And I don't know if you have any parenting books.

1002
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:44,840
I do not.

1003
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:45,840
Okay.

1004
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,880
What have you ever touched on yet, Mike?

1005
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,080
Let's see here.

1006
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:56,760
Five things that we cannot change, which is kind of a philosophy book, more about philosophy

1007
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,760
than anything else.

1008
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,360
And it talks about the five things in life that people have anxiety about that they need

1009
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,680
to just let the anxiety go and not focus on it.

1010
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:11,440
So it's plans going astray, things ending and changing, unfairness in life, pain in

1011
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,480
general and unloyal and unloving people.

1012
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:20,000
And it kind of goes into that whole cross section of, you know, like I find On Liberty

1013
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,560
by John Stuart Mill and Utilitarianism by John Stuart Mill to be inspirational.

1014
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:30,760
The problem is that the real world acts a lot more like Machiavelli than it does On

1015
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:31,760
Liberty or whatever.

1016
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,760
You know what I mean?

1017
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,900
Utilitarianism is wonderful, but the real world doesn't operate using that philosophy,

1018
00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:40,900
you know?

1019
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:41,900
So it should.

1020
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:44,900
It should, it should.

1021
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:47,280
A lot of things should behave differently, you know?

1022
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:53,200
And I think that's one of my big draws to Stoicism is worry about the things that you

1023
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,440
can influence and you can change.

1024
00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:00,100
And the things you can't influence and change, you know, like the big example is the weather.

1025
00:50:00,100 --> 00:50:04,240
It was supposed to be sunny today, but it's rainy and I'm going to be all upset all day

1026
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:05,240
about it.

1027
00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:07,700
Like you can't change the weather.

1028
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:09,480
Like don't worry about it, you know?

1029
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:15,400
I mean, that's kind of the big draws is devoting that kind of energy to things that you can

1030
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,680
actually change your influence.

1031
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:22,120
Not that you can't be upset about the weather, you know, but like five things you can't change.

1032
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,760
Like there's a lot of things you can't change in life, unfortunately.

1033
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:25,760
Right.

1034
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:26,760
Yeah.

1035
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,040
You have to let it, let your desire to control it or be upset about it.

1036
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,160
You just have to, you literally just have to let it go.

1037
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,400
Face your feeling and then let it go.

1038
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:37,400
Don't push it down.

1039
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:38,400
Yeah.

1040
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,400
Just like.

1041
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,680
Like roll off your back because it's not going to do you any good.

1042
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,840
So yeah, exactly.

1043
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,440
That I think, I don't know.

1044
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:52,620
I feel like having a philosophy, I guess, right in life to try and follow and aspire

1045
00:50:52,620 --> 00:50:54,360
to is a good thing.

1046
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,240
I don't know how you feel, Mike.

1047
00:50:56,240 --> 00:51:00,420
It is, but like I say, it's not the end all be all.

1048
00:51:00,420 --> 00:51:01,420
It's not the end all be all.

1049
00:51:01,420 --> 00:51:02,880
And it's not the real world.

1050
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,200
People don't believe in liberty.

1051
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:05,320
It's just a fact.

1052
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,720
People even, especially the people that say that they believe in liberty, like they're

1053
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:09,720
just lying.

1054
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:10,720
Yeah.

1055
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:15,600
Because if you, they come face up with the freedom of others, then they don't want them

1056
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,000
to be free to do what they want.

1057
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,000
They want to control what they do and they feel that it's right.

1058
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,000
It's like, well, no, the whole idea.

1059
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,240
Yeah, the whole idea behind freedom is the freedom to do things that other people disagree

1060
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,760
with that doesn't affect anybody else.

1061
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:29,760
Right?

1062
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:30,760
Yeah.

1063
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,000
Like, yeah, nobody is going to say, oh, you can't like puppies.

1064
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,000
Everybody likes puppies.

1065
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,000
Right.

1066
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,000
It's the other thing that some people do.

1067
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,000
I mean, Michael Vick doesn't, but...

1068
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:47,000
Well, I think that he does, just not in the way that other people do.

1069
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,000
Yeah.

1070
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:56,960
I guess like, in my mind, philosophy is more introspective than other things.

1071
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:57,960
Right?

1072
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,120
Like everybody should be nice to one another.

1073
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,560
You know, I mean, everybody, I feel like everybody would think that.

1074
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:04,640
Maybe not Hitler.

1075
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:05,640
I don't know.

1076
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,840
I don't know what I mean, but like most normal people would say like, hey, everybody should

1077
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,520
have like common decency.

1078
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,720
But I think philosophy takes a step further where it's like, everybody's not going to

1079
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:16,320
have your philosophy, man.

1080
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,160
Like how are you going to look at things?

1081
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,440
Like it's introspective.

1082
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:25,360
Like philosophy is what I am going to do with the shit that is life, I guess, in some sense.

1083
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:26,360
Right.

1084
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:27,360
Right.

1085
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:28,360
Well, that's where like stoicism is important.

1086
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:33,920
A lot of that is like facing what's unpleasant and then coming to a realization that you

1087
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,720
don't really have control over anything other than your own action.

1088
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:43,360
So yeah, or your own feelings, you know, that's some of the best lines in meditations is,

1089
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,240
you know, somebody feels this way.

1090
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:47,600
Am I going to let their feelings take my feelings?

1091
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,920
Or am I going to choose my own feelings kind of thing?

1092
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:50,920
Yeah.

1093
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,480
And this is all well before social media, but it's even more applicable now with social

1094
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:56,480
media.

1095
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:01,160
So I always liked in meditations when he talked about other people's actions and whether or

1096
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:06,160
not he was going to allow that to make him angry or is he just going to focus on, you

1097
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,360
know, these are their good aspects and I can't control their negative behavior.

1098
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,320
So I gotta let it go.

1099
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:13,320
Yeah.

1100
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,320
Yeah.

1101
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,680
I mean, at the end of the day, you know, you have to make peace with what your day was

1102
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:23,440
and the decisions that you could make that would influence your life and the decisions

1103
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,400
that other people's made that influence your life that you can't control.

1104
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:28,640
But I want to get into this.

1105
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,360
I've got these last couple of books here for parenting.

1106
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:32,360
Absolutely.

1107
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:37,920
And I want to get through those and I put them in parenting, but two of them for sure,

1108
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:45,920
two of them for sure are also leadership or philosophy books, but they're first and foremost

1109
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,640
the parenting book, but they can be extrapolated if you know what I mean.

1110
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:51,640
Right.

1111
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,400
So this first book is called The Gift of Failure.

1112
00:53:53,400 --> 00:54:01,800
It's by Jessica Leahy and this book is my number two, my number two book, a parenting

1113
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:02,800
book.

1114
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,400
And basically The Gift of Failure says that your kids will fail.

1115
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,120
They're children, right?

1116
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,960
They're trying things for the first time.

1117
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:16,520
And if you try and protect them from failure at an early age, they will then fail at an

1118
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:17,820
older age.

1119
00:54:17,820 --> 00:54:23,680
And the older you get, the more catastrophic failures become because you basically have

1120
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,280
rubber bones when you're an infant.

1121
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,280
Okay.

1122
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,560
And when you get older, your bones are bones and will break.

1123
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:40,760
And you know, if you didn't learn the bodily restrictions of yourself, then the consequences

1124
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,200
will be greater later on.

1125
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:43,200
Right.

1126
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:52,320
So as a 37 year old person, the things that I do to fuck myself up now have greater consequences

1127
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,060
than they did when I was 18 or 17.

1128
00:54:55,060 --> 00:55:02,600
So the point of the book is in order to parent, also lead people, you have to allow people

1129
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,840
to fail and not fault them for failing.

1130
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,900
Like you want them to fail early.

1131
00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:13,040
You want them to fail early because it's less detrimental to fail early than it is to fail

1132
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,200
later on because you were protected or shielded.

1133
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:17,200
Yes.

1134
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:22,480
We, well, I don't want to bash the younger generation, but it appears to me that the

1135
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,000
Gen X parents who have children who are in their early twenties were not allowing their

1136
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:32,200
teenagers and middle schoolers to experience like the negative things that happen when

1137
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,200
you're a teenager and a preteen.

1138
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:40,400
Going to a dance and getting rejected or I'm not trying to say anything bad.

1139
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,480
Like that's not a bad thing, but it's good for you to be.

1140
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:44,480
No, no, no, no.

1141
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:45,480
Yeah.

1142
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,440
There are a lot of them have been shielded from these typical failures.

1143
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,240
These are the people who are 20 that I know.

1144
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:53,240
Yeah.

1145
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:54,240
To their detriment later.

1146
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:55,240
Right.

1147
00:55:55,240 --> 00:56:02,760
You know, falling on your bike at six is a lot better than falling off your bike at the

1148
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:03,760
age 25.

1149
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:04,760
Right.

1150
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,880
Which is a lot better than falling off your bike at 65.

1151
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:08,880
Yes.

1152
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,400
And you know, and that's kind of the thing is if the gift of failure, everybody's going

1153
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:14,400
to fail.

1154
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,980
And the point isn't you're trying to prevent failing.

1155
00:56:17,980 --> 00:56:22,640
The point is you're trying to teach them how to cope with failing.

1156
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:28,000
And the earlier they are introduced to failing, the earlier they can learn to manage that.

1157
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:33,400
And this is true of kids and of people that you that report to you at work.

1158
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,960
Even if you're working on a big project, do you want them to fail early at the early stages?

1159
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:43,160
Do you want them to fail like the week before you're delivering the final product?

1160
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:44,160
You know what I mean?

1161
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,800
Like do you want to create a environment where failure is okay?

1162
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,240
And then you teach them how to deal with that failure and move on from it?

1163
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:56,880
Or do you want it to be like a last minute thing where then everybody's scrambling to

1164
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:57,880
cover up for it?

1165
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:58,880
You know?

1166
00:56:58,880 --> 00:56:59,880
Right.

1167
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,920
And that goes into project management and getting a diversity of ideas.

1168
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:03,920
Oh, yeah.

1169
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:09,280
And you can avoid the pitfalls of let's say you have one idea that seems to be better

1170
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,440
that probably does have problems.

1171
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:16,260
So if you have a diversity of opinions, you can at least flush out what the potential

1172
00:57:16,260 --> 00:57:19,000
issues could be before they happen.

1173
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,000
Yes.

1174
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,520
And that's why this is a parenting book first and foremost.

1175
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,120
But you can read it from any lens you want.

1176
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:30,240
If you have any subordinates or if you are maybe a subject matter expert on something

1177
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,800
or whatever, like this is a great book to read.

1178
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,240
And just to not be afraid of failing.

1179
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:41,860
It's written from a parenting perspective for sure, but you can easily apply it to almost

1180
00:57:41,860 --> 00:57:44,120
any aspect of life.

1181
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:50,040
If you think you're like a worrywart and give input to other people's lives, that's maybe

1182
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,040
unsolicited.

1183
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:52,120
It's a great book.

1184
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:53,120
You know?

1185
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,120
Like you know what?

1186
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,560
They need to own this failure themselves.

1187
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,960
I'm here to help them afterwards.

1188
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:58,960
You know?

1189
00:57:58,960 --> 00:57:59,960
I don't know.

1190
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:05,520
It's a very kind of mind, mind shift, mindset shifting book.

1191
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:06,520
Really liked it.

1192
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,800
The next three are pretty much strictly parenting books.

1193
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,320
So I'm going to go through those pretty quick.

1194
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:15,680
And then I'm going to go with my favorite parenting slash interpersonal slash leadership

1195
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:16,680
book.

1196
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:23,500
So the happiest kid on the block is by Harvey Karp, basically how to the colic, right?

1197
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:27,960
Like every parent, every parenting book is like, okay, the colic and get rid of the colic

1198
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,300
and I don't know, we haven't had colic.

1199
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:32,880
Like it's not a thing, you know?

1200
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:38,240
But this book is kind of like if you, especially if you're a man, especially if you're a man,

1201
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,560
read happiest baby on the block, read it, read it right now.

1202
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,100
And when you have a kid or if you have friends that have kids, you will be like the magic

1203
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:46,100
baby whisperer.

1204
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:51,240
I mean, I, I, I shit you not magic baby whisperer.

1205
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:52,480
We didn't have kids.

1206
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,780
I read this book because we were expecting a kid and I calmed this kid down.

1207
00:58:56,780 --> 00:59:00,280
One of our friends kids down like instantly and they're like, holy fuck, like what's going

1208
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:01,280
on here?

1209
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,280
And I'm like, I don't know.

1210
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:03,520
I just got it, but I didn't just have it.

1211
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:04,520
I read this book.

1212
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:05,520
You know what I mean?

1213
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:10,120
It's strictly a kid parent book kind of, you know, if you want to calm down children.

1214
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,240
The next book is how to talk so kids will listen and listen so kids will talk.

1215
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:14,960
It gives you a lot of insights.

1216
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:20,000
Like when you're talking to a child, someone smaller than you get down at eye level, become

1217
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,080
their equal in that sense and a lot of other things too.

1218
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,960
But it's just kind of a good kind of how to talk to children or midgets, I guess.

1219
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,360
I'm just teasing.

1220
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,720
I'm teasing about the midget thing.

1221
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:37,840
And the next one is how to have a new kid by Friday by Kevin Lehman.

1222
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:44,520
And that is pretty much a crash course on if you have disruptive behaviors in your child,

1223
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:45,520
how to correct them.

1224
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:50,720
I'd have to kind of reread it again based on the next book, which is my number one for

1225
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,200
parenting and leadership.

1226
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:59,440
But how to have a new kid by Friday is a pretty good crash course on how to kind of correct

1227
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,120
behavior that you don't like.

1228
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:05,080
And my favorite parenting book so far, I'm not quite done with it yet, but it's been

1229
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,080
fantastic.

1230
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:11,640
I've been implementing it as we're talking and I have seen a dramatic change, dramatic

1231
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:12,760
change.

1232
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,360
It's been crazy.

1233
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:15,960
Like this is nuts.

1234
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,560
I don't want to oversell it, but this is crazy.

1235
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:19,560
It's crazy.

1236
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:20,560
Yo.

1237
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,080
Good Inside is by Dr. Becky Kennedy.

1238
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:30,000
This would work for anything, anybody who is a subordinate or a child or what have you,

1239
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,000
anybody even you're having an issue with, I think.

1240
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,080
So it kind of crosses all of the categories.

1241
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:42,160
But the basic premise is everyone is good inside.

1242
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,760
So if you start with that premise, you have a child's tantrum.

1243
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:46,760
They're a good kid.

1244
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:47,760
They're good inside.

1245
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:48,760
I know they're good.

1246
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,920
I know I have a coworker who's not doing what you expected.

1247
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,320
Well I know they're good inside.

1248
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,040
Like you start with good inside.

1249
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,160
That's your starting point.

1250
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:58,400
Like you start with that.

1251
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:03,720
And then everything else is kind of like it's super, it's written as a parenting perspective.

1252
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:09,240
So it's written as kids have a lot of emotions that they don't know how to describe.

1253
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:14,880
And kids' emotions or kids' primary goal in life is to not drive people away.

1254
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:21,760
So when other people will do a timeout, go and be alone, basically this author is saying

1255
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:28,720
you are taking them when they need somebody the most and isolating them instead of going

1256
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,840
and telling them, hey, it's okay to be upset.

1257
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,200
I understand you're upset.

1258
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:34,200
It makes sense you're upset.

1259
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:35,200
I would be upset too.

1260
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:36,200
I would be upset too.

1261
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,460
I couldn't have 15 cookies or something.

1262
01:01:38,460 --> 01:01:41,380
But it's also a gray area book.

1263
01:01:41,380 --> 01:01:46,040
So if you're not okay with gray areas, you're not going to like the book because it maintains

1264
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,480
that two things can be true.

1265
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,160
Like the child can be upset.

1266
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:53,840
They're not getting an extra cookie and they're not getting an extra cookie, right?

1267
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,960
It's the dichotomy.

1268
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,760
Or you can be a good parent even if you fucking yell at your child.

1269
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,540
And then you can go and tell them that you were overwhelmed with your emotion because

1270
01:02:03,540 --> 01:02:07,320
you want to model regulating your emotions, which kids can't do.

1271
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,800
Like psychologically it's proven they can't regulate their emotions, which is why you

1272
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,840
have tantrums and things of that nature.

1273
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:13,840
Right.

1274
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,960
But the same is true of coworkers because if they grew up in a household that didn't

1275
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,320
do that and forced you to shove your emotions deep down and not acknowledge them, you don't

1276
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:22,920
know how to deal with emotions either.

1277
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,360
So I mean, it's all encompassing really.

1278
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:26,360
Yeah.

1279
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,880
And if I would have read that book before Mike and I ever met, we'd have been smooth

1280
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,560
sailing from day one.

1281
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,560
Tell you what.

1282
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,200
Okay.

1283
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:35,920
Yes.

1284
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:41,520
That's my list where you at with your cigar, Mike.

1285
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,280
Do you got any other books you want to talk about?

1286
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:45,800
No, no, no.

1287
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:50,400
Most of my books like you say are like, I put Woodcraft in there, which I don't really

1288
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,560
know that's kind of a self-help book a little bit.

1289
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:55,560
It's a classic.

1290
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,200
Everybody should read it, I think.

1291
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,280
But we've read Woodcraft, haven't you?

1292
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:01,280
I don't think so.

1293
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:02,280
Who's it by?

1294
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,080
Nesmuk, George Washington Sears.

1295
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:05,080
You had to have read it.

1296
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:06,880
No, I don't think I've ever read that one.

1297
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:07,880
It's pretty short.

1298
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,320
It's in public domain, so anybody can go out and get a PDF copy of it.

1299
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,360
But it's like the OG backpacking book.

1300
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:15,360
Okay.

1301
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:16,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1302
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:22,980
And so it's a little bit of how to guide, but now it's mostly like the thinking of outdoors

1303
01:03:22,980 --> 01:03:28,040
people of the late 19th century, early 20th century.

1304
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:29,040
Yeah.

1305
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,360
He was like he was like an outdoor writer back in the day.

1306
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:36,560
So they still have the George Washington Sears axe and they still have the Nesmuk knife.

1307
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,760
He was pretty influential for his time.

1308
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:39,760
Okay, cool.

1309
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,640
But I don't know if that it's on the edge of self-help.

1310
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,120
It all depends on how you look at it.

1311
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:46,120
I think it qualifies.

1312
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,920
Yeah, it all depends on how you look at going outdoors.

1313
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,480
I enjoy going outdoors.

1314
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,280
So yeah, me too.

1315
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:59,360
Yeah, I find it to be relaxing and gives you perspective on things, you know.

1316
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:05,440
Yeah, I mean going outdoors is fairly simple depending on how well you prepare, of course.

1317
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,160
But you know, if you don't build a fire, you're going to be cold.

1318
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,360
Depending on the season, right?

1319
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,080
Like depending on the season and stuff like that.

1320
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:17,080
But like by and large, if you don't know what you're doing, you're going to eat delicious

1321
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:23,200
blueberries and die in a bus in Alaska or something, you know, like what's his name.

1322
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,920
But I don't know, a lot of the books that I mentioned kind of have these common sense

1323
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:34,440
elements or what should be common sense, but maybe was forgotten through time or societal

1324
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,960
changes or shifts or whatever.

1325
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:44,360
Or at least with the Good Inside book, she talks a lot about how your parents maybe didn't

1326
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,800
do what she's talking about in this book.

1327
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:52,120
And that's why maybe you struggle with being angry about certain things or when your kids

1328
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,840
do something, it seems like they're defying you.

1329
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:59,300
But in reality, they're just doing what their program to do or they're supposed to be doing,

1330
01:04:59,300 --> 01:05:00,300
you know?

1331
01:05:00,300 --> 01:05:01,300
Right.

1332
01:05:01,300 --> 01:05:05,400
I mean, human nature is human nature for a reason through evolution or whatever, you

1333
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,400
know?

1334
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,280
So the quicker you can kind of understand that and then learn how to deal with it, the

1335
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:11,580
better I think.

1336
01:05:11,580 --> 01:05:16,880
And whether that's through, you know, outdoor books or leadership books or parenting books

1337
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,600
or whatever, it doesn't matter.

1338
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,160
Like if you're getting that input, that's great.

1339
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:22,160
Like that's good.

1340
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:28,200
Yeah, and that's a lot of the classics were like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, as they

1341
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:29,200
call it.

1342
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,200
Yes.

1343
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:31,200
Yep.

1344
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,600
It's not really about Dr. Frankenstein creating a creature, right?

1345
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:42,240
It's about metaphysics and responsibility and the power of privilege and a lot of things

1346
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:43,240
that are...

1347
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:50,480
You could extrapolate that onto not that our modern AI is truly AI, but when it is, you

1348
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:59,480
can extrapolate that onto computer thought processing that mimics or adequately represents

1349
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:00,480
human thought.

1350
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,760
Are they truly lesser beings or not?

1351
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,760
You know, I mean, that's kind of the whole point of Frankenstein, right?

1352
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,580
Just because it was created by a human, is it less than a human?

1353
01:06:11,580 --> 01:06:14,400
Does it not have the same feelings and desires and hopes and wants?

1354
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:15,400
Right.

1355
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,960
And it's about abandonment and what that can cause, you know?

1356
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:23,920
And society's judgment about monstrosity and all sorts of things.

1357
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,840
That's one of the best parts about the Frankenstein novel, not that this is about Frankenstein

1358
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:28,840
at all.

1359
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,840
No, but sometimes...

1360
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:36,840
In the modern world, we view Frankenstein's monster as like the thing.

1361
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:41,760
It's like, well, Frankenstein's the monster and not the creature.

1362
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,360
The whole point of the book, yeah, is that the creature is an innocent that was turned

1363
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,160
into a murderer by the monster.

1364
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:53,000
Yeah, it was basically radicalized by its own creator.

1365
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,000
Right.

1366
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,000
Yeah.

1367
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,360
And by society at large.

1368
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:57,360
Well, yeah.

1369
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:58,360
Yep.

1370
01:06:58,360 --> 01:06:59,360
Yeah.

1371
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:03,040
So, you know, and there's plenty of fiction books like that one that give you insight

1372
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:09,280
into human nature or different philosophical dilemmas that can arise.

1373
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:10,280
Right.

1374
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:15,120
Well, all the classics are about that because there was no television, there was no electricity.

1375
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,120
Yes.

1376
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:21,160
And then there's The Middle March, which is long as hell, but Middle March is all about

1377
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:27,680
human interactions in a small village and like the unlikely heroes and villains of these

1378
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:28,680
communities.

1379
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:29,680
Right?

1380
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:30,680
Yeah.

1381
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:36,160
Written by a woman pretending to be a man, you know, and that's Jane Austen, which I've

1382
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,240
read all the Jane Austen novels.

1383
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:43,920
They're all about human interaction and different ways of looking at the same issue, you know,

1384
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,520
human misunderstandings and communication.

1385
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:47,520
Yeah.

1386
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:48,520
Yeah.

1387
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:49,920
Have you read American Bloomsbury?

1388
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,280
Yes, I have.

1389
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:52,280
Okay.

1390
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:53,280
That one's really good.

1391
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:59,320
It's a nonfiction, but it's about all these like transcendentalist authors in this one

1392
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,720
town that all happen to be there.

1393
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:02,720
Concord.

1394
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:03,720
Yes.

1395
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,800
And also Nathaniel Hawthorne is there and he's not really a transcendentalist, but he

1396
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:07,800
was there.

1397
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,040
Very fascinating book.

1398
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,360
I had no idea.

1399
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:15,360
I didn't really know what to expect going into the book, but I really enjoyed it.

1400
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:20,280
I didn't know that all of the major American authors from the American Renaissance were

1401
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,000
basically neighbors.

1402
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,000
Even Melville.

1403
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,000
Yeah, I had no idea.

1404
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,000
All of them knew each other.

1405
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,000
Yeah.

1406
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,000
They were all fucking there.

1407
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,760
And they all fucking hated each other.

1408
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:29,760
Loved or hated each other.

1409
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:30,760
Yes.

1410
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,080
Or loved and then hated each other.

1411
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:34,080
Right.

1412
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:38,600
And they were all basically failures in life other than Emerson who like slept his way

1413
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:39,600
to the top, you know?

1414
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,040
He's like Kamala Harris of the 1800s.

1415
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,040
Yeah, for sure.

1416
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:45,040
Yeah.

1417
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,040
Interesting.

1418
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:49,040
And Thoreau was a failure.

1419
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:50,040
Very eye-opening.

1420
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:51,040
Yeah.

1421
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:52,040
They're all interesting.

1422
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:57,160
I mean, they were all failures, but they're all like the quintessential American authors.

1423
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:00,080
Well, they were failures in their lifetime, but they were.

1424
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:01,080
Yes.

1425
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:02,080
Yeah.

1426
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:03,080
Yeah.

1427
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:04,080
Yeah.

1428
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:08,320
Hawthorne was the exception because he had some success in business, not in...

1429
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:09,800
I think he was what?

1430
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,040
A station master or something.

1431
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:13,040
Something like that.

1432
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:14,040
Something like that, yeah.

1433
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:15,040
Yeah.

1434
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:16,040
But he was a prick, you know?

1435
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:17,040
Yeah.

1436
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,160
I think most of them were, you know?

1437
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:20,160
Right.

1438
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,160
Thoreau was like an early stage hippie loser.

1439
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:23,160
Yeah.

1440
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:24,160
Yeah.

1441
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:28,000
He was like living off of other people's money.

1442
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:33,080
And he's like, oh, I'm in the wilderness at this cabin on this pond and I'm just all

1443
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:34,080
alone.

1444
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,160
But no, he wasn't.

1445
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:37,520
It was there with everybody.

1446
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:38,520
You know what I mean?

1447
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:39,520
Right.

1448
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:40,520
Yeah.

1449
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,720
He was squatting on a rich guy's land that was his friend.

1450
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:43,720
Yeah.

1451
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:44,720
He was like a melancholic person.

1452
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:45,720
Yeah.

1453
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:46,720
Yeah.

1454
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:47,720
Yeah.

1455
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:48,720
He had all these amazing handouts from people.

1456
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,600
It was just like, oh, it's tough.

1457
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:52,600
Life is tough.

1458
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:53,600
Right.

1459
01:09:53,600 --> 01:10:00,760
Well, even like Mark Twain did not have financial success in his life, even though he was famous.

1460
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,760
You know, a lot of these guys back in the day were not...

1461
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,680
You're a shock in Samuel Clemens.

1462
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:08,680
Yeah.

1463
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:14,200
One of the foremost American intellectuals was constantly losing money like mad, you

1464
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:15,200
know?

1465
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,600
Did I tell you, we went to his house?

1466
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:19,600
Oh, really?

1467
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:20,600
Yes.

1468
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:21,600
We went to his house in Connecticut.

1469
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:22,600
It was really interesting.

1470
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,240
Like, he had a lot of pertinent insights.

1471
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:26,240
Oh, yeah.

1472
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,320
He was ahead of his time.

1473
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:33,680
Now he's being censored for being, you know, what would you call it, anti-racist in the

1474
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:35,480
pre-modern era.

1475
01:10:35,480 --> 01:10:37,480
So yeah, yeah, yeah.

1476
01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:44,000
His works are being censored because of the language that he uses in Huckleberry Finn

1477
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,000
mostly.

1478
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,000
Yeah, particularly.

1479
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,000
Particularly, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1480
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,960
Which is, have you read Huckleberry Finn?

1481
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,120
I don't think so.

1482
01:10:54,120 --> 01:11:02,120
So the TLDR is, it's an adventure story, but the subtext is like exposing the racism and

1483
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:09,580
multi-tiered society of pre-war Southern US or like maybe post-war Southern US, which

1484
01:11:09,580 --> 01:11:16,440
Mark Twain heavily criticized like their racism and their misogyny and the negative, the darker

1485
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:21,040
aspects of Southern society, kind of highlighting it and saying how crappy it was.

1486
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:25,560
But of course he did it in a way that a guy from 1860 would do, right?

1487
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:30,600
Which is not necessarily appropriate for modern context.

1488
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,200
I mean, it is appropriate, but it's not, you know what I'm saying?

1489
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,960
He's saying he used words that would get him censored.

1490
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:42,640
He used words and situations that, yeah, would be censored today.

1491
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:43,640
Yes.

1492
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,840
It's a good read for those who haven't read it.

1493
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,800
Yeah, I've got some Twain on my reading list that I want to do.

1494
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,120
It's like Dickens, right?

1495
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:57,400
I'm surprised that they don't censor Dickens or try to like subvert it.

1496
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,880
Not that he has any like cursing or anything like that, but the plots are all about how

1497
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:07,060
evil industrialists are and how they exploit the working class who are just as competent

1498
01:12:07,060 --> 01:12:09,280
as their masters.

1499
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:10,280
That's kind of the theme.

1500
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:11,280
Yeah.

1501
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:12,280
They're no more wicked.

1502
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:15,160
Was Dickens American or was he British?

1503
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:16,160
He's English, yeah.

1504
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:17,160
English, yeah.

1505
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:18,160
Yeah.

1506
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:22,560
He's describing like industrialized England, which was pretty harsh, pretty brutal.

1507
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:27,200
Yeah, I feel like they give a little more leeway to foreigners in America, you know.

1508
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:28,200
Yeah.

1509
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:32,400
He's talking about a different society and their problems has nothing to do with our

1510
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,600
problems that were exactly the same.

1511
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:35,600
Yeah.

1512
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:40,640
Just with the different accent or whatever, different town names.

1513
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,680
Definitely.

1514
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,840
So I am done, by the way.

1515
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:45,840
I've been done.

1516
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:46,840
Okay.

1517
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:47,840
Yeah.

1518
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:48,840
I'm done with the burning.

1519
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:49,840
I like this one too.

1520
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:50,840
I did as well.

1521
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:51,840
I thought it was very good.

1522
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:55,920
I don't know if I liked it better than the shade.

1523
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:56,920
The shade was unique.

1524
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,840
It's not something that I would normally smoke, probably.

1525
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,720
The shade is not something I would normally smoke.

1526
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:02,720
I might now.

1527
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:03,720
Right.

1528
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:04,720
Yeah.

1529
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:05,720
The Maduro is good.

1530
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,240
It's a Maduro, standard Maduro.

1531
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:08,240
Yeah.

1532
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:09,240
Straightforward.

1533
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:10,240
Yeah.

1534
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:13,400
The shade is kind of got that zing to it.

1535
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:14,400
It does.

1536
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:15,400
It really does.

1537
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:19,040
It's like the least of my palette because I don't normally smoke shades.

1538
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:20,040
So there we go.

1539
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:21,040
Yes.

1540
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:22,040
But I would recommend them.

1541
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:23,040
Yeah.

1542
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:24,040
I think the shade is really good.

1543
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,320
The Maduro is good.

1544
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:29,200
There's probably better Maduros, but there's a lot worse Maduros too.

1545
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:30,200
So...

1546
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:31,200
Right.

1547
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:35,080
The Maduro is like the dark coffee of the cigar world where they're easy to make, I

1548
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:36,080
guess.

1549
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,400
I don't know if it's easy to make, but it's very common.

1550
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:39,400
Yeah.

1551
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:43,000
It's definitely way better than the Bin Maduro we smoked.

1552
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,880
Way better than the Bin Maduro.

1553
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:45,880
I would say it's way better.

1554
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:46,880
It's way better than a dark shark.

1555
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,480
It's way better than a dark shark.

1556
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:49,480
That's what I was going to say.

1557
01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:54,120
Is that if I had to buy a bundle of these or a bundle of dark sharks, man, I'd go with

1558
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:55,120
this every time.

1559
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:58,160
Not that there's anything wrong with a dark shark.

1560
01:13:58,160 --> 01:13:59,160
For sure.

1561
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:00,160
There's nothing wrong with a dark shark.

1562
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,200
No, there's nothing wrong with a dark shark, but this one is better.

1563
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:04,200
Right.

1564
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:05,920
This is better than an Odyssey for sure.

1565
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,240
I'm not sure if we smoked an Odyssey on the show yet or not.

1566
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,520
I'll have to look back into the catalog.

1567
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:11,520
I don't think yet.

1568
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:12,520
Okay.

1569
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:13,520
It's coming.

1570
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:14,520
Yeah.

1571
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,920
I think we've been talking about it for two seasons now.

1572
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:17,920
Yeah.

1573
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,720
Maybe we'll wait till season six, right?

1574
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:21,720
Yeah, exactly.

1575
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:22,720
It's there.

1576
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:27,120
I think I'd rather smoke an Edge Fuma, but I really like those.

1577
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:28,120
So I'm biased.

1578
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:29,120
Yeah.

1579
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:30,920
It's in the zone though.

1580
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:31,920
It's in the zone.

1581
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,120
Oh, this is in the zone.

1582
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,640
What is the Edge Fuma price point versus this?

1583
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,200
I think they're about the same price.

1584
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:39,520
I think they're about the same price.

1585
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:46,160
I think the Edge Fuma's are like 45 for a 20 pack and I think these are 40, maybe 35.

1586
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:47,160
I can't remember.

1587
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:48,160
Yeah.

1588
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:49,160
I guess it depends on the sale too.

1589
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:55,320
So I mean, I guess given the choice, I would do the Edge Fuma, but if the price was better

1590
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,760
on this, I would stock up with this.

1591
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:58,760
That's the point, right?

1592
01:14:58,760 --> 01:14:59,760
Yes.

1593
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:04,200
If you want to stock up on a cheap stick that is good, you would do this one.

1594
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:09,640
And if the Edge Fuma was a similar price, then do the Edge Fuma, but I don't know.

1595
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:13,240
I'd have to smoke the Edge Fuma and this one back to back to really kind of tell.

1596
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:14,240
Yeah.

1597
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:15,240
They're pretty close.

1598
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:16,440
I can't tell a lie.

1599
01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:18,720
They're both basically yard cigars.

1600
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,800
They're not crazy expensive.

1601
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,200
It looks to be about 40 bucks for 25 of these.

1602
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:28,720
So yeah, they're a better deal than the Edge Fuma's for sure.

1603
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,000
Ooh, I just saw one and we don't have.

1604
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,480
Now I'm going to have to buy one.

1605
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:33,480
Here we go.

1606
01:15:33,480 --> 01:15:34,480
I have a green wrapper.

1607
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:35,480
I got to try the green wrapper.

1608
01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:36,480
Ooh, nice.

1609
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:39,000
Maybe we do have a green wrapper.

1610
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:40,920
I'll have to look and make an assessment.

1611
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:41,920
I can't remember.

1612
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:42,920
It's been too long.

1613
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:43,920
It's tough.

1614
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:44,920
It's tough.

1615
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:45,920
We've got so many cigars.

1616
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:46,920
Yeah, we do.

1617
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:52,320
I have two humidor's full of cigars for the show.

1618
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,120
I have my biggest humidor dedicated to show cigars.

1619
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:56,120
Oh, sure.

1620
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,120
Sure, sure.

1621
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,440
My big humidor has got my non-show cigars.

1622
01:16:00,440 --> 01:16:01,520
Yes.

1623
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,160
Which needed to get whittled down.

1624
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:05,160
We're rambling.

1625
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:06,160
We need to end.

1626
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:07,160
We're rambling.

1627
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:08,760
We're done with the cigars.

1628
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:10,200
It was a good cigar.

1629
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,160
The other one too was good.

1630
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:13,160
The shade.

1631
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:14,160
The shade was good.

1632
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,280
They were both very good, depending on what you want.

1633
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,920
So far I've enjoyed the factory smokes line.

1634
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,280
I know we're only two in.

1635
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,600
We're only two in, but so far so good.

1636
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,400
Now I have expectations going into the next one.

1637
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:27,400
That is true.

1638
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,840
That's the blessing and the curse, right?

1639
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:30,840
Right, it is.

1640
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:31,840
It's a double edged sword.

1641
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:32,840
Indeed.

1642
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:33,840
Well, thanks for listening.

1643
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:38,040
Be sure to give us a follow, a like, share us with a friend, visit our Patreon or our

1644
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:39,040
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1645
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:40,040
Thanks for listening.

1646
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:41,040
We'll catch you next week.

1647
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:42,040
Be safe and have fun.

1648
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:43,040
I did it again.

1649
01:16:43,040 --> 01:17:02,040
I did it again.