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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Nate.

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And I'm Mike.

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What are we smoking today, Nate?

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We are smoking a Rocky Patel Sun Grown.

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And I hope it's not like the undercrown.

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Yes.

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It must not be because it actually has the Rocky Patel logo on it.

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Prominently featured.

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This one tasted a little earthy when I wetted the cap.

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Okay, and I'm about to do that now.

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Hmm.

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It's a little lighter and tangy.

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Yeah, I feel like the start is less acidic than the other one.

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Mm-hmm.

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We'll see how she goes.

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That third puff was definitely darker.

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But are you, do you burn the foot before you light it up?

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So do I.

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So do I.

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I don't know if there's a wrong way to light a cigar.

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I'm sure that somebody will tell you that there is.

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Yeah, I'm sure we could think of several wrong ways to light a cigar.

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You know, if it's lit, it's lit, basically.

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Pretty much.

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Probably don't want to use like a kerosene lamp or something to light it.

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But yeah, I mean, if it's lit, it's lit.

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It's lit.

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They were smoking cigars 200 years ago.

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So what were they lighting them then?

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You know, yeah, that's nearby.

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I'm guessing so.

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Flint and steel.

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I've never successfully lit a fire with a flint and steel, I don't think.

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Yeah, it's a really good tinder.

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You know, like if you get some dryer vent stuff, dryer vent lint, that'll go.

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The flint and steel is not as difficult as say the stick with the bow, you know.

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Oh, bow drill?

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See, I have started a fire with a bow drill several times.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, there's each their own.

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I prefer, I mean, I'm an Eagle Scout, so I've started all sorts of different fires and gotta

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tell you, I prefer the lighter fluid and match, you know.

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You still kind of got to build it the right way, the right composition so that it lights

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and catches and burns throughout the night.

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But I don't know where people get all kind of like high and mighty about, well, I started

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it with just one match and no lighter fluid and no this or that.

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It's like, well, that's, I mean, cool, you can do it.

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But it's a weird sense of pride.

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I mean, it's important to know how to start them, I think.

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But if you're out camping or just out in your backyard and lighting a fire, who cares?

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It's not a big deal.

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Right.

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Like a really quick survival tip for all of our listeners, put a Bic in your pocket.

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And if it gets wet, you can blow the top off and the flint will light.

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I don't know what to tell you.

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Another quick survival tip for all our listeners, don't get lost, okay?

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Yep.

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Who goes into the woods without a fucking lighter?

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I'm just saying.

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A lighter or at the very least some waterproof matches or something, you know, but definitely

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a lighter is the way to go.

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I mean, if you're going out in the woods with your cigars and your cigar lighter and stuff,

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you're fine.

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I used to do river fishing and I would always carry a Bic and I would tape the top off with

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a packing tape and then wrap the handle with a little bit of duct tape.

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And that way, if I had to light a fire for some reason, if I broke my leg, I could light

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a fire, you know, and at least stay warm while they tried to find my body.

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So never had to use it, fortunately.

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That reminds me, and I don't know if we've talked about this, maybe we have.

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It's kind of an in-joke with one of my other friends and myself that that Into the Wild

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guy that went in to live in Alaska.

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Yep.

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And then like his last journal entry is like, I found some delicious blueberries and then

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they were poisonous.

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And so like that's what killed him.

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Not that he was having a high old time of it to begin with, but you know, this kind

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of like the joke is like, oh, I found some delicious blueberries, you know, like make

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sure you're not eating the poisonous stuff.

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Like that seems like a bare minimum, you know, like so many stuff out there is.

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Not right.

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He be consumed by humans.

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You know, that was a real weird story because he like shot a moose and then he didn't have

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like a proper method to preserve any of the meat.

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He was going out there to make a like an anti-capitalist point or something, you know, and so it's

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more about the point he was making than actually trying to survive in the wilderness.

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And there's a lot more hospitable wildernesses to survive in than fucking Alaska.

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I'm going to tell you that right now.

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Like Iowa.

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He was like an early age tech bro kind of guy from what I remember.

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And a lot of times like I went when I came out of college, I was a school teacher and

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I was ignorant of many of the things in the world.

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And when I went into construction, those guys knew right away that I was green as shit.

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Like they would even make comments about it once I got my journeyman's license, like five,

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six years later or whatever it was.

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They were like, you have come a long way in your understanding of this world.

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You know, and I mean, I don't disagree with his sentiments necessarily, but it's kind

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of that naivety that will kill you if you don't do your base research before eating

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delicious blueberries off of the ground.

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So right.

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When I was in college, I met a guy who was just he had graduated and he was going to

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go to Africa and teach.

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And I was like concerned for his safety.

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He's like, oh, you're just a blah, blah, blah.

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You know, you're overflowing the dangers.

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And then like while he was there, they had like a genocide in the country he was in and

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they were killing white farmers.

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It was like Zimbabwe or something like that.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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It was like the farm.

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So, you know, they were ransacking farms and killing everybody.

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And it's like, OK, probably not the best idea to be the white college educated person going

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there to teach the kids English or whatever at this moment in time.

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Well, that's the thing is, you know, I mean, we live in the Twin Cities.

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We live in the city of Minnesota here.

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And it's interesting because I was talking to my dad about this.

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He was here for Christmas and how our neighborhood is really mostly nice.

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I mean, we've got a couple of rentals, but otherwise it's all kind of like younger families

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or older people, you know, people who take care of their houses.

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They own their houses and it's a nice area and you feel safe here and stuff.

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And but you can go a couple of blocks across the highway or wherever.

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And then you're in some of like the sketchiest parts of the Twin Cities.

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And you know, but that's true of almost anywhere.

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But it's more prevalent or more apparent in big cities where you can travel a couple blocks

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and then you're in a different a different reality, right?

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A different world almost.

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And it could go both ways.

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Like you could travel a couple of blocks a different way.

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You could be in like all the homes or multimillion dollar homes, you know.

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So that's, you know, and that's kind of the thing.

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Like I mean, I spent a month in London when I was in college for a film internship and

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that's a big international city.

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And I had never lived in a big city, but I went there alone and rented a room from a

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Dutch couple and had to get myself to my internship on the tube and back and, you know, survive

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and do all that over there.

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But there's like an awareness, right?

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You have to be aware of areas or things.

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And generally speaking, like if your gut has a bad feeling, I've got a bad feeling about

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this, then there's no harm in just listening to it, especially if you're somewhere you're

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not familiar with, you know, I don't know that that works going to, you know, like where

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they're doing genocide in Africa and stuff.

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I mean, maybe you just say, maybe I won't go there, but, you know, you can, there's

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a lot of situations you can get out of or prevent yourself from getting involved with

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by just refusing to get involved with them or stay in those areas.

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You know what I mean?

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There's where I live in Northern Minnesota.

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There's a big drug culture, like hard drug culture, but if you're not seeking that out,

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then you're largely not affected by it, right?

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It's not like they're violent organized criminal organizations that are affecting the general

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public or anything.

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I mean, they're addicts.

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There's, there's been stories of those people.

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Even my, my wife's parents had some meth enthusiasts, let's, let's say, since we're being positive

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with everything and that kind of like parked at the end of their driveway and stuff.

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And they had to call some law enforcement, but they were gone by then.

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But you know, it's like, if like some addicts come and park in your driveway, you don't

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have to go out there and confront them.

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You can call somebody to take care of them.

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You know what I mean?

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You don't put yourself in dangerous situations if you're not prepared to deal with dangerous

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situations kind of thing, you know?

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And you don't have to, you know, you don't have to, you've got people that are trained

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in these situations and you can call them and they will come and help you sometimes.

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Not necessarily all the time, but.

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Where I live.

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I mean, it kind of goes back to the Bill Burr thing is like, yeah, just cause you want to

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tell a cry bully to go fuck themselves.

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It's not always the best course of action because there's going to be repercussions

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from that.

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It's good for a moment and then it feels really bad for a long time.

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So I think a lot of where I live, like the really super poor people live right next to

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the super rich people.

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And it leads to like not having super ghettos, you know, where you drive around and you see

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these massive mansions on these lakes that are abandoned for almost the entire year.

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And then next to them are like the tar paper shacks of the people that are their servants,

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you know?

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But they're not involved in anything criminal.

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They're just trying to survive in an area where there's not a lot of economic opportunity.

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They're not criminal masterminds or something.

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shanty is a drug addict.

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You know what I mean?

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There's like some weird stigma in our culture about if they're not well off, then they're

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like an alcoholic or a drug addict, you know?

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And a lot of this hostile architecture, you know?

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And it's like, look, just because they don't have a home doesn't mean that they're like

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have an addiction problem or substance abuse issue, you know?

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I mean, some of them do, of course, but it's not causation or whatever.

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Specifically for homeless people in inner cities, almost all of them have addiction

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issues because the people who don't have addiction issues who are poor, who let's say lose their

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job, they leave the expensive area and move to a less expensive area and try to find a

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job there, you know?

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I'm just saying it's not always 100% of the time, you know?

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And a lot of these people, we've talked about it, you know, a lot of these people would

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benefit from universal health care or if we had a better system for mental health in our

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country, you know, which was interesting to me when you said that Bill Burr is a big advocate

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of therapy and like mental health, at least for anger issues.

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But you know, there's something to be said for having somebody in your life who will

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point out your flaws.

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And sometimes it takes like a Bill Burr-esque interaction, right?

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Where somebody says, you got fucking anger issues or something and it upsets you.

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And that kind of goes back to our movies, you know, like if it doesn't shock you, you

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won't take action to correct it.

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And I'm not saying external viewpoints are always right, but I know that I was very angry

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for a long time, like throughout college and when you and I first met and I really spent

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time like working on that and finding nonfiction books of how to deal with anger issues, you

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know, and I'm not I'm still not perfect by any stretch and I get angry.

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But you know, I feel like I'm better than I was.

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And it took people pointing it out to me like, well, you're angry all the time and you in

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and my big thing was my humor was kind of more bringing people down humor and less like,

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I don't want to say my humor is uplifting because I'm very dry and sarcastic.

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But I do I try not to make fun of people like directly.

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You know what I mean?

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Anymore.

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And I want it to be kind of like humor that all can enjoy, even though it is sarcastic.

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But that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be like ass hole ish.

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I hope I don't know.

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I'm not trying to ramble and take take away from our topic of our season two finale.

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Yes.

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I almost can't believe we're here at the season two finale.

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It's been all right.

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Well, we started on March 1st, so it's been most of the year.

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Yeah.

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And we're going to take a couple of months off probably again.

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And then we'll be back.

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I don't know, maybe February, maybe March.

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I don't know.

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It's kind of up to us.

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Up to us and the weather.

252
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Yeah.

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The weather doesn't matter anymore.

254
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Well, yeah, beautiful weather is awesome.

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It's a lot harder to buckle down and sit in front of a computer with a cigar and booze

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as opposed to cigar and booze and out in out in the world.

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So right.

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I'm about an inch in and I like this cigar.

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I like this one, too.

260
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This one's this one's far better than the other one.

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The other one was good.

262
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But I do like the sun grown better than that vintage Cameroon.

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I like the vintage Cameroon, but it was lighter.

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That's not a bad thing.

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That's not a bad thing.

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It did have that kind of acid start, which is fine.

267
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We've had plenty that have turned out to be phenomenal cigars.

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But I really like this one.

269
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It's a lot earthier.

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A little bit darker, not dark, dark, but no, it's not overly dark.

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But it's it's a good mix.

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It's a good earthy dark without being too dark.

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It's smooth, but it does have a little bit of a bite.

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It's nice.

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I have been impressed with all the Rocky Pettar, Rocky Pettar, Rocky Patel cigars that we've

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smoked.

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That's that idiotic speak.

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My ex wife was a Rocky Pettard.

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She's pilot now.

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I cannot sing the praises of idiocracy enough.

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Not that it's going to be everybody's cup of tea.

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Because like I say, my Sarah made like she watched it once and then I had to watch it

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in the basement, which we are fortunate enough to have a basement with the TV and all that.

284
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So yeah, yeah.

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I'm pretty fortunate in my life because I know Mike for one.

286
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I'm a guy, my my bachelor's in film.

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And so I've seen some very interesting films.

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Lama, Gettin.

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Mike was there.

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Yeah, that was awesome.

291
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But I've been really lucky because my Sarah pretty much never says no to watching any

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kind of the weird movies that I want to watch, whether it's some foreign thing or, you know,

293
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subtitles or idiocracy.

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My Sarah will say yes the first time, right?

295
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The first time.

296
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But if it's like a TV show, you know, she'll watch a couple of episodes and if she doesn't

297
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get into it, then it's like, no, she wants to watch Charmed and Bewitched and Gilmore

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Girls and things like that.

299
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And I want to watch.

300
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I tend to go for more serious stuff than that, even though we are going to watch Winona Earp,

301
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which is not serious at all.

302
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But yeah, it's fun.

303
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We kind of do.

304
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We like to do TV series.

305
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So like we did.

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We did Friends and then we did.

307
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I guess neither of us had ever really watched Seinfeld and it's this big cultural show,

308
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right?

309
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You know, for a certain age group, of course.

310
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So we watched through all of Seinfeld and it was great.

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And we watched Boardwalk Empire because Sarah's brother really liked that show.

312
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And it was good till the last season because they got they knew they were getting canceled.

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So they had to do some time jumps.

314
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But we're watching through the Sopranos right now.

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And it's really good.

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I really like it.

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But for the next show, because it's such a serious show, but you know, like it's mob

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mafia stuff.

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So there's a lot of not a lot of I would say, but like there's a killing and heavy kind

320
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of like political maneuvering and stuff like that.

321
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So but I'm hoping that after this that we'll watch through Scrubs because I remember watching

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episodes of Scrubs in college, but I never really watched it religiously.

323
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But I remember enjoying it.

324
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And that's another show that's kind of generally seen as a good show, I guess.

325
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Yeah.

326
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But that's a little more comedic than it is like heavy serious.

327
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So it's like with my reading style, like I like to read fiction and I like to read nonfiction.

328
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But if I read too many nonfiction books in a row, I'm kind of like I need something fiction

329
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to like cleanse the palate or, you know, like get some enjoyment.

330
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Not that I don't enjoy the nonfiction.

331
00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,480
I mean, you probably know, Mike, right?

332
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Well, I like to read a lot of nonfiction, but I have to spread in fiction because, you

333
00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:26,920
know, you can only take so many historical novel or historical accounts and politics

334
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books and science books before you start to get real dark.

335
00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,540
You know, it's like hopelessness.

336
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You start to look into the void and yeah, and all that Nietzschean philosophy, you know,

337
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like I can only handle so much.

338
00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,880
I can only handle so much darkness, right?

339
00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,920
It's like, and I know I mentioned this on the show.

340
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I went on a huge deep dive into the Lewis and Clark expedition and I was reading like

341
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all of these top books from about the Lewis and Clark expedition.

342
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And then I was kind of like, you know what?

343
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I need to read something else.

344
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You know, like I, that's one of my favorite historical periods.

345
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We talked about that on one of the episodes.

346
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I love that whole era and the whole expedition and everything, but even with something that

347
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I enjoy, I was like, man, I need to change it up a little bit.

348
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I need to have something a little different.

349
00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,800
So I went back to, I think I did Dune after that.

350
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I did the Dune stuff.

351
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And then I was like, if I don't hear another word about spice for a few books, I'm happy.

352
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You know, you could like, and they're great books.

353
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So they're great series and the great, great everything, but you know, you can get kind

354
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of like too into it.

355
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And it's like, man, I need something a little bit different now.

356
00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,720
So yeah, you can delve too deep, right?

357
00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,000
It's like, like Icarus flying too close to the sun.

358
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Yeah.

359
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That's a girl bossing too close to the sun, Nate.

360
00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,520
Now that's the new, that's the new lingo.

361
00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,920
With the wax tampons or what?

362
00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:48,920
I didn't say that.

363
00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:49,920
You did for the record.

364
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And I'll fucking own it because it's our season two finale.

365
00:17:54,560 --> 00:18:03,680
So, uh, we're, uh, yammering as you can obviously hear, but we're going to do a recap of the

366
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cigars that we smoked a year in review, a year in review.

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And I'm looking at our list here.

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We started off with three, five Vegas cigars, which, uh, was so far in the past.

369
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And I, I seem to remember that I don't remember any of these, the five Vegas classic and the

370
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series a were pretty similar and they were so, so they weren't offensive, but they were

371
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fucked.

372
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They know they weren't great.

373
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Yeah.

374
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Do you want to go through?

375
00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,440
I mean, if you want to go through all of them that we smoked in order, we can do that.

376
00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,440
That's what I was planning on doing.

377
00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,440
Oh, okay.

378
00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:42,440
What's your plan?

379
00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:43,440
What's your plan?

380
00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:44,440
I didn't really have a plan.

381
00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:45,440
No, there we go.

382
00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:46,440
Okay.

383
00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:51,720
Well, I guess I thought like initially if we, if you and I said, what was like the favorite

384
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cigar of this year and then your top three episodes, like topic wise cigars aside, and

385
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then we can go through kind of the cigars as we smoked them.

386
00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:04,200
Oh, sure.

387
00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:05,200
It's fine with me.

388
00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:10,080
Let's like, let's hit the stuff that we liked off, off the bat and then we'll go through

389
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the cigars as we smoked them and, and go from there.

390
00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:17,280
Or we could go through all the cigars and, and just do that too.

391
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,440
Like, that's fine.

392
00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:19,440
That's up to you.

393
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:24,360
It's going to be easier for me to keep track if we'd go in order, but we can do whatever

394
00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:25,360
you want.

395
00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:26,360
Yeah.

396
00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:27,360
Well, I just thought like, because I was thinking about this, because we knew we were going

397
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to do like a recap episode.

398
00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:29,360
Yes.

399
00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:31,760
So I wanted to think about my three favorite episodes.

400
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:37,040
And I think my three favorite episodes were our episode about the Barbie movie with the

401
00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,040
voice of the matriarchy.

402
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,040
Yep.

403
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,040
I thought that was a good gimmick.

404
00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,040
Yeah.

405
00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,280
Cause we tried something different and it was fun.

406
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,320
Uh, and of course like the Soca episode with our guests, Simha.

407
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:47,320
Yes.

408
00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,040
And then my other favorite episode actually was when we did the, we'd smoke two different

409
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:56,840
cigars, the tequila cigars, the underground shade and the, uh, the other atrocity.

410
00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:57,840
Yep.

411
00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,520
Uh, or the, the blood red moon, right?

412
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:02,520
Yeah.

413
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:03,520
The blood red moon.

414
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:04,520
Yep.

415
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,320
And I liked that because we smoked different cigars, but we had previously smoked them

416
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:08,520
straight with no tequila.

417
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:09,520
Yes.

418
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,440
So those were my three favorite episodes, I guess let's say.

419
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:13,440
Okay.

420
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,440
That's interesting.

421
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:19,200
I would say that the Simha episodes are great, especially the Soca where he joined us in

422
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,200
the dark side.

423
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:28,600
And, uh, I also enjoyed the Barbie episode and, uh, I liked the Amish episode.

424
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:29,600
I really enjoyed doing that.

425
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:30,840
Oh, I liked that one too.

426
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:31,920
That was very informative.

427
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,480
And I also liked the Manson episode.

428
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,000
Uh, it wasn't the Manson last year.

429
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,000
I don't think so.

430
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,000
Oh, maybe it wasn't.

431
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,000
I don't know.

432
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,080
You have to let us know, dear listeners.

433
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,080
Yes.

434
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:48,440
And remember, remember if you do let us know, we can send you a stamp, a special stamp for

435
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:49,440
$5.

436
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,400
And if you put your zip code in brackets.

437
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:54,640
Yes.

438
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,600
With your name in all capital letters.

439
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:57,600
Yes.

440
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,000
Then we'll know it's a states right issue and not a racist issue.

441
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,240
The states rights episode I thought was pretty entertaining to us.

442
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:09,320
The reaction to, uh, the lady, the judge, whatever her name was.

443
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:10,320
Yes.

444
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,320
Yeah.

445
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,320
The sovereign citizen episode.

446
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,320
Yeah.

447
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,320
The cyber citizen episode.

448
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,320
I thought you were, you were hilarious.

449
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:16,600
He's just turned like halfway through.

450
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,320
You were like, I hate these people.

451
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:30,840
Uh, might've been, uh, assisted, uh, chemically, but, uh, yeah, but she's a IRS plant.

452
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:31,840
I'm like, that's a good idea.

453
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:32,840
I didn't even think of that.

454
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,960
I did the research for it and I'm like, I didn't even consider that, but it makes sense.

455
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:37,960
All right.

456
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,240
Let's keep going through the cigars.

457
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,320
I thought of one that was a standout surprise hit of the season.

458
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,320
I think.

459
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,320
Okay.

460
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,840
I think I know.

461
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,440
Is it the Hoya black?

462
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,440
Yes.

463
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:51,440
Yes.

464
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,920
I was pleasantly surprised with the Hoya black.

465
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:54,920
Yes.

466
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,840
I feel like that was kind of like the surprise sleeper hit of the season.

467
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:58,840
Yeah.

468
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,440
Well, I went in with no, uh, expectations.

469
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,440
Yeah.

470
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,400
So it, uh, definitely showed up.

471
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:10,240
I think that the undercrown shade, I think that's the one that you really didn't like.

472
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,880
That was a big major disappointment.

473
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,200
I was like, Oh no.

474
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,200
Yeah.

475
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:15,200
Okay.

476
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,040
So we did the, uh, episode one was the five Vegas classic.

477
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,160
And then we did the series a and then the cask strength.

478
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,160
Yes.

479
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,720
And of those three, the cask strength was easily the best.

480
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:24,720
Yeah.

481
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:31,160
I wouldn't say it's on par with like a CAO or a rocket Patel or a log or a Gubana, but

482
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,200
it was of that run.

483
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,200
It was the best.

484
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,440
Then we had the Kristoff Connecticut, which I think we both liked.

485
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,440
Yep.

486
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,440
I think we both liked that one.

487
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,600
Then we did the CAO countries for a bit.

488
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:41,600
Yep.

489
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:42,600
And I liked all of those.

490
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,000
None of them were, they're good enough for me to want to smoke the rest of them.

491
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,080
I think we had a favorite, but I don't remember which one it was now.

492
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,560
No, but they're all really good.

493
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:52,560
They're close.

494
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:53,560
Yeah.

495
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:54,560
They're all really good.

496
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:55,560
Yeah.

497
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,080
Uh, the macronutrient, inspirado black was good.

498
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,080
Yeah.

499
00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,960
Both the inspirado red and black are very good cigars.

500
00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:00,960
You can't go wrong.

501
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:01,960
Yeah.

502
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,520
Uh, then we had the CAO black, which was good.

503
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:05,520
Yep.

504
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,040
Not, uh, super great, but good.

505
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,040
Very good.

506
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,040
Yeah.

507
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,200
And then we had the Mouat, which I think we liked a lot.

508
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,960
It reminded me of a Shrew.

509
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,480
It was the one that was like a Shrew, but a bigger cigar.

510
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,480
Yeah.

511
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,840
So, uh, then we had the Romeo Giulietta 1875, which I don't remember.

512
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,800
I don't remember it either, but I feel like I remember.

513
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:26,800
I feel, yeah.

514
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,520
Romeo, you liettas generally good.

515
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,760
You know, I mean, kind of like most of the CAO stuff is going to be good.

516
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,320
Rocky Bedell stuff is going to be good.

517
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,520
I think like the Gurkas and that's the next two we did, the Beauty and the Beast, the

518
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:39,520
Gurkas are-

519
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,520
They were disappointing.

520
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,880
... drastically hit or miss.

521
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,680
And I think we, we didn't like the Beauty, but we liked the Beast, I believe.

522
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,200
We didn't like the Beauty and we thought the Beast was better, but it wasn't great because

523
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,160
the Centurion, I believe, is the one that we thought was the best.

524
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,160
Oh yeah, sure.

525
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,160
Yeah.

526
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,760
We smoked the Titan, we smoked the Crest, we smoked the Centurion, the Vinches 2000,

527
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:02,840
the Beauty and the Beast.

528
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,000
And the Centurion was the one that was a torpedo.

529
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,080
And I remember that one being clearly the best.

530
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,080
Yeah.

531
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,720
Then we smoked that LFD Double Ligero, which was great.

532
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,720
Yeah, and that was with Simba.

533
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:14,720
Yeah.

534
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,720
The MX2 by CAO.

535
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:17,720
Yep.

536
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,440
And that's one of my, one of my early cigars that I thought was one of my favorites at

537
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,520
the time, you know, when I first started smoking cigars.

538
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:26,520
Yes.

539
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,280
And it was a staple, you know, it's hard to go wrong.

540
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:33,160
Then we had the LaGuardia Cubana Spanish Press, the Series N and the Classic Maduro,

541
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,400
all of which were great.

542
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,600
I think the Spanish Press was the best out of those for me.

543
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,520
Yeah, I like the, the Series N as a good one.

544
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,200
Well, it's got a good shelf appeal, like the Series N.

545
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,200
Oh yeah.

546
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,640
But the Series R, I think, for LaGuardia Cubana.

547
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,120
Yeah, it's hard to go wrong.

548
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:51,120
We smoked that first season.

549
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:52,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

550
00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:57,000
I know, but yeah, I think LaGuardia Cubana is very difficult to go wrong with.

551
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,000
Overall.

552
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,840
I don't think I've ever smoked a bad cigar from them.

553
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:00,840
I have not.

554
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:01,840
I have not.

555
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,880
So, and then we had the Underground Maduro and Shade, which the Shade was notoriously

556
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,400
horrific to the point where we compared it to the...

557
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,680
The Cult Blood Red Moon.

558
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:18,720
The Cult Blood Red Moon cigar, which is probably the worst cigar I've ever had in my entire

559
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,720
life.

560
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,720
And you smoked backwards.

561
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,640
Yeah, I've smoked backwards and Swisher Sweets, and I would smoke a Swisher over that Cult

562
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,040
Blood Red Moon cigar.

563
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,960
And the Pipe Tobacco is one of my favorites.

564
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,160
Oh man, the Pipe Tobacco is so good.

565
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:38,080
So it's such a shock because, you know, Cult Blood Red Moon Pipe Tobacco is fantastic.

566
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,840
Yeah, flies off the shelf.

567
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:46,120
Yeah, and it's the right amount of restraint and flavor and everything.

568
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:50,440
And the cigar is the worst possible anything ever.

569
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,440
Yeah.

570
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,840
And not anything ever, but in the terms of smoking things, like it's...

571
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:55,840
It is vile.

572
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:56,840
Absolutely vile.

573
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:57,840
Yeah.

574
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,840
Don't never buy a Cult Blood Red Moon cigar.

575
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,440
But the Underground Maduro, I thought was good.

576
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,760
We were a little snake bit by the Shade, so I don't know.

577
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,760
I think it was like fine-ish.

578
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,760
Yeah.

579
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:12,760
Yeah.

580
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:18,040
Like I say, it's hard to be objective about it because we didn't like the Shade.

581
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,040
Yeah.

582
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,560
It's so weird because like the Shade, the Underground Shade had like a 91 rating.

583
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,200
And it's like what, how?

584
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,440
How could that possibly be?

585
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:31,480
Well, it just goes to show you that, you know, I'm not saying that they paid for that review,

586
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,480
but tastes are different.

587
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,480
Yeah.

588
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,480
Tastes are different.

589
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,360
I know with the New York Times bestseller list for books, that's easily manipulated

590
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:44,520
by the book stores will order cases and cases and cases of this book.

591
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:49,620
If they're so inclined, they'll never ship, they'll never show up to the store and nobody

592
00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:50,620
will ever buy them.

593
00:26:50,620 --> 00:26:54,160
But because they were ordered, it's a number one New York Times bestseller.

594
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,480
So you can manipulate these different lists and statistics and things.

595
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,840
So I'm not saying that's what they did.

596
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:05,120
I'm just saying that it's documented in other industries where it can be.

597
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:06,120
Yes.

598
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:12,240
And then we had the H. Upman cigars, which were both good, if I remember correctly.

599
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,240
Yeah.

600
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,880
And then we also did like the Banker.

601
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:15,880
Yep.

602
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:16,880
That was the Banker, it was an H. Upman.

603
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:17,880
Yep.

604
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,120
Did we like the Banker better than the Reserve or the Cameroon?

605
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:24,800
I think that we liked the Banker the best out of the cigars that we had.

606
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:25,800
Yeah, I think that was the best.

607
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,800
Yeah.

608
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:27,800
But...

609
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,200
We did a couple of Oliva's first harvest, 2009 and 2011.

610
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,200
Yep.

611
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,200
And they were both good.

612
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,200
Yeah, they were both good.

613
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,200
I don't remember which one we liked better.

614
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,680
We'd have to go back and listen.

615
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,560
No, I don't remember.

616
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:38,560
It's hard to go wrong.

617
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,760
Oliva is another one where it's like, you're going to be good, right?

618
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:43,760
Yeah.

619
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:44,760
Like a nub is going to be good.

620
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,760
Yeah.

621
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:46,760
Yeah, the K&F, I like the K&F's.

622
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:47,760
Yep, those are good.

623
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:48,760
Those are good.

624
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,200
Then we have the CEO Consigliere, which we enjoyed.

625
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,200
Yes.

626
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,920
And I want to talk about this one a little bit because I didn't realize it at the time

627
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,480
because this is right before we started watching The Sopranos, which we talked about at the

628
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,960
top of the episode here.

629
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:00,960
Yes.

630
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:07,560
But CAO, so Tony Soprano, the main character of The Sopranos, played by James Gandolfini,

631
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:15,080
he smokes a bunch of cigars throughout the series, and he and the writers agreed that

632
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,080
character, fictional character, really enjoys CAO.

633
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:23,920
And so they put out, CAO put out a special cigar for The Sopranos with, I don't know,

634
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,000
it was like CAO Sopranos or something like that.

635
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,980
Like it was something from the show, but then they didn't have the rights to actually call

636
00:28:28,980 --> 00:28:33,800
it like Sopranos, so they rebranded it as the CAO Consigliere.

637
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:40,960
So the CAO Consigliere is their cigar they made specifically in response to the production

638
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,360
people behind Sopranos saying that CAO is one of his favorite cigars.

639
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,360
Interesting.

640
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,520
Yeah, I did know that.

641
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,000
I'm not sure you probably told me.

642
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,520
I'm guessing that you told me off the show.

643
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,520
We do talk.

644
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,520
We do talk.

645
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,200
We do talk outside of the show.

646
00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:01,560
By the way, the Hoya Black is now on my screen here, and that was our secret sauce for the

647
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:02,560
year.

648
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,840
I usually do not save cigar labels.

649
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:11,400
I throw the label and the cellophane right in the ash tray as I smoke at home.

650
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,840
But I kept the Hoya Black label.

651
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,280
It's on my desk because I'm like, I need to order more of these.

652
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,280
Did you ever look into them?

653
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,280
Do they have a bunch of different...

654
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,280
They have a bunch of different...

655
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,280
Oh, okay.

656
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,280
They do.

657
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,280
Yeah, they have different colors and they...

658
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

659
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,480
Well, maybe that'll be season three.

660
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,480
Something like that.

661
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,480
Something like that.

662
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,520
I don't know if we have any for season three because I bought all the cigars for season

663
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,760
three, I think.

664
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:35,760
I want to get more Hoyas.

665
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,000
We're locked and loaded for season three.

666
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,000
We are.

667
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,640
Season four might be some more Hoyas.

668
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,640
Yes.

669
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,120
Well, we could bump it up to season three.

670
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,120
You never know, right?

671
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,280
You never know.

672
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,880
We can't tell you everything because this is the season two finale.

673
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:49,880
We're doing a look back.

674
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,320
We're not necessarily looking forward.

675
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,360
That's right.

676
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,560
That's right.

677
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,040
And then we have the Herrera Astelli by Drew Estate.

678
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,680
I don't remember that cigar.

679
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,680
I don't remember either.

680
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:00,680
I'm guessing it was good.

681
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,120
Yeah, it was probably fine.

682
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,680
I feel like most of these where it's like the whatever, whatever by Rocky Patel or by

683
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,120
Drew Estate or by whatever, they're a little more hit or miss.

684
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,120
Yeah.

685
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:17,320
Like if it was a full on Drew Estate whatever, then it's going to be in that tier of you're

686
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,320
not really going to go wrong.

687
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,800
It might not be to your exact flavor preferences and stuff, but it's not going to be a bad

688
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,800
stick.

689
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:24,800
Yep.

690
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,160
And really, the undercrowns, they were by Drew Estate too, I think, weren't they?

691
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,160
Yes, they were.

692
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,600
We had to find that out because we were like, who is this?

693
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,600
I know.

694
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,440
Yeah, because there was nothing on the label that said Drew Estate.

695
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:43,740
So I feel, and that's what kind of led me to my current thinking of if it's the actual

696
00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:48,680
company name on the label, it's probably good, maybe except for Gurkhas, right?

697
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,560
Because those are kind of hit or miss.

698
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,080
Those are hit and miss, yeah.

699
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:59,080
But everything else like an Oliva, Rocky Patel, CAO with some of the flavors is the exception.

700
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,080
Right.

701
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,120
You know, then they're probably bound to be pretty good.

702
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:10,960
Yeah, they might not fit your flavor profile, but it's going to be a high quality cigar

703
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,960
all the same, you know?

704
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:13,960
Yeah.

705
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:20,640
And then we had the Rocky Patel Vintage 1990 Robusto, which was the Ahsoka episode.

706
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,200
And I like the Rocky Patel Vintage series.

707
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,200
So those are always solid.

708
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,200
You can't go wrong.

709
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,200
Yep.

710
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,040
We have a couple of Olivas.

711
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,160
They all are Oliva branded and they were all good.

712
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,160
Ciro was good.

713
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,160
The Master Blend was great.

714
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,000
Yeah, the Master Blend is really good.

715
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,480
The Master Blend 3 is what we had.

716
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,480
Yep.

717
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,360
And then we got some Rocky Patels, which I thought the Rare Corojo was great.

718
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,280
The Super Ligero was great.

719
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,040
I thought the Rare Corojo was a punch.

720
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,400
Oh, it is a punch.

721
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,400
You're right.

722
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,400
Gosh dang it.

723
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,400
See, I'm looking right at it.

724
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,040
But that punch was good too.

725
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,200
Punch is another one where most of them are pretty good.

726
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,200
They're not necessarily...

727
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,920
Yeah, I don't think I've ever had a bad punch cigar.

728
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:01,920
So yeah.

729
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:09,680
I don't know that that brand is in the same echelon as like Rocky Patel or Oliva, but

730
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:10,680
I don't think I've had a bad punch.

731
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,680
You know what I mean?

732
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,680
I've never had a bad punch.

733
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,120
They're in pretty much every cigar shop in the country.

734
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,120
Yeah.

735
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,680
So you're not going to go wrong.

736
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:24,040
We were talking about this too, Mike, and I don't want to be leading on our listeners,

737
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:29,440
but we were talking about doing some acids, some acid cigars.

738
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:34,480
I used to smoke those right out of college.

739
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,840
I smoked some acids, like the Acid Blond and stuff.

740
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,240
And I remember liking them, but now I've smoked so many more cigars.

741
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,400
So it'd be interesting to go back and revisit them.

742
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,680
Because usually I'm not reaching for an acid in the store.

743
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,920
No, they're ridiculously expensive for what they are, which is a flavored cigar.

744
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,960
And I've had a couple and every single one, I almost feel like they're syrupy.

745
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,680
Like the flavor is syrupy.

746
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,880
Like it's so intense.

747
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,960
Like their blonde is like sweet, like very sweet.

748
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,280
I had some blondes.

749
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,960
Sarah, I got some for Sarah and she didn't like them because they were too sweet, which

750
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:09,960
is insane.

751
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:10,960
Right?

752
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:11,960
Yeah.

753
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,640
Well, and like, why would you do that when you have the CAO?

754
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,640
Oh, yeah.

755
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:16,640
Right.

756
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,120
The moon trance is like, in my opinion, flavored cigar.

757
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,120
Yeah.

758
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,160
It's the old standard for flavored cigar.

759
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,200
So obviously, if you're going to compare it to that, which you should.

760
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,200
Yes.

761
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,200
Right.

762
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,200
You should.

763
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,000
If you haven't smoked the moon trance, like that's your New Year's resolution.

764
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:39,360
Even if you don't like and so I don't know, we, well, Mike, we started this podcast and

765
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:45,080
we never, I never really thought I would enjoy a flavored cigar because to me it's kind of

766
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:52,000
like going to a Starbucks or something and ordering one of those, you know, like caramel

767
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,400
latte blended, whatever the fucks.

768
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,400
Right.

769
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,400
Oh yeah.

770
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,400
Milkshake.

771
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,400
Yeah.

772
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,880
I'll take with some caffeine added, you know, but that's not what the moon trance is really.

773
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:07,600
So it was really like an eye opener for me to know that there are flavored cigars out

774
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,880
there that aren't overly sugary or ovary overly fake tasting.

775
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:13,880
You know what I mean?

776
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,520
And I think that's the big thing is it can't be overpowering and it can't be overly fake,

777
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,800
like artificial tasting.

778
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,800
Yep.

779
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,160
And I would suggest with the CAO moon trance, because we've smoked more than one size, I

780
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,280
would suggest the Robusto size, not the larger torpedo.

781
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,280
Yep.

782
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,280
Yeah.

783
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,280
The torpedo is fine.

784
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,280
I think it's not a bad cigar.

785
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,480
Fine, but it wasn't as good as the Robusto.

786
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,040
No, the Robusto is like that perfect.

787
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,880
It's just the perfect size for that cigar for whatever reason.

788
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:40,880
Yeah.

789
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:46,480
I've tried the little cigarillos, the Camuntran cigarillo got too hot.

790
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,840
It burned all the flavor off.

791
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,560
I didn't think it was very good, but that's a personal opinion.

792
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,560
Not sure by all, I'm sure.

793
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,840
But yeah, I mean, I guess it depends on your smoke style.

794
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,600
Some people like the cigarillos and if you're used to smoking that, then it's probably just

795
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,600
fine.

796
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,600
Right.

797
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:01,600
Yeah.

798
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,880
And then we finished her off with the Oliva Series G and the Oliva Series G Maduro Cameroon.

799
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,080
And I liked both of them.

800
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,080
I thought they were great.

801
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,080
Yeah, they were good.

802
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,080
That's one of those things.

803
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,080
I like the Olivas, they're good.

804
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,080
I do.

805
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,080
Yeah.

806
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,080
I think we have some K&Fs in the box for next year and I really like the K&F nub.

807
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,360
So I'm excited for that.

808
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,240
Oh yeah, I like the K&F nub as well.

809
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:22,240
Yeah.

810
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:23,240
Oh yeah.

811
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:24,240
It's like dark, very dark.

812
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:25,240
I'm like, oh, that's interesting.

813
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:28,000
That's something I'm going to smoke all day, every day by any means.

814
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,000
No.

815
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,600
Well, that's the interesting thing too.

816
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,640
I mean, we've smoked, I think this one is, yeah, this is our 43rd episode for season

817
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,640
two.

818
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,960
So season two, episode 43.

819
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,120
We're going to hit and we have to do something fancy.

820
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,120
We've got some fancy cigars we've been saving up.

821
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,200
We got to do something fancy for our 100th episode, Mike.

822
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,200
Okay.

823
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,200
We can definitely do that.

824
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,200
Yeah.

825
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,200
But I mean, that's the thing with cigars, right?

826
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:55,520
Is we talk all the time about smoking them and if we like them or don't like them.

827
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:01,880
But we also try and talk about, you know, is this a lawn mowing cigar or is this a treat

828
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,960
yourself cigar or is this a, you know, I mean, there's different circumstances just

829
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,440
with the same with like whiskeys or bourbons or whatever, what have you.

830
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,080
You know, if you're just trying to get a buzz on, you're going to pick a different liquor

831
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,240
than if you're trying to like savor and enjoy the complexities and flavors and stuff.

832
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:23,200
And if you're mowing the lawn, you're going to pick something different than if you're

833
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,240
sitting around a fire conversing with friends.

834
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:31,920
So right this time of year, Sarah likes to drink apple cider with bourbon in it, which

835
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,120
is a variation of the stone fence.

836
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,120
Right.

837
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,120
Yeah.

838
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,720
I mean, it's not something that happened at the house, but none of it was something that

839
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:41,920
I was willing to put in a stone fence.

840
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:42,920
Right.

841
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:48,600
Like I'm not putting a single cask or cask strength bourbon or like what the hell do I

842
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:49,600
have?

843
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:55,000
Basil Hayden toast or you know, yeah, I'm not like, yeah, we'll just get like four roses

844
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,000
and put it in there.

845
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,000
That's fine.

846
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,000
Yeah.

847
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,840
Well, I mean, that's the thing is you pick different, you know, you pick different liquors

848
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,400
for mixing versus drinking straight.

849
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,200
I feel like we've done an OK job.

850
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:11,760
I hope listeners right back me up of telling people if we would if this is a what would

851
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:17,440
you say, Mike, would you say like casual cigar or pontificating cigar or I don't know what

852
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,000
the different categories might even be.

853
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,320
Well, yeah, a lot of it's like yard cigar.

854
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,320
Is this a yard cigar?

855
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,840
You know, is this a cigar that you want to have?

856
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,920
Like you want to sit down and actually smoke it and do nothing else.

857
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:34,800
You know, like the Gurkas are a great example of, in my opinion, largely yard cigars where

858
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:40,280
if you're out and it's like Fourth of July and you're in the sun and maybe you're drinking

859
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:46,240
a light beer and it's like raw, raw America, then yeah, a Gurka beast is a great option.

860
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:47,720
It's not offensive.

861
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:51,200
It's you can largely forget about it and you still have a nice cigar.

862
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,200
Yes.

863
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,320
But it's not something I'm going to sit at home and like read a book and drink a sip

864
00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:00,760
on a little glass of whiskey and like savor the cigar and have the experience.

865
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:06,880
Yeah, and I think what I've liked is the kind of the criteria that we have unofficially.

866
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,680
I don't know that we ever talked about this, Mike, is the difference between a yard cigar

867
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:17,840
and a non yard cigar, at least unofficially from what I've gathered from our conversations

868
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,340
is a yard cigar.

869
00:38:19,340 --> 00:38:22,440
You don't mind putting out and not coming back to.

870
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,440
Right.

871
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,040
And the other cigars are something you want to smoke completely or, you know, until your

872
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,360
fingers burn kind of.

873
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,360
Right.

874
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,440
And I think that's very, very near to that point.

875
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,400
So and I think that's a good kind of a good judge.

876
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,280
Like if I put this out and don't relight it, I don't feel bad.

877
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,240
I don't feel guilty about not relighting it.

878
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:47,280
Whereas some of the cigars we've smoked, it's like, nope, I got to smoke this whole thing.

879
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,240
Like everything else is going to have to wait until I'm done with this.

880
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:54,640
Yeah, I'm going to be mildly upset if I stop.

881
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:55,640
Yes.

882
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,240
So and we have a price limit for cigars.

883
00:38:58,240 --> 00:38:59,560
I try to get them for under five bucks.

884
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,960
I think we talked about that to the people out there.

885
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:03,960
That's the goal.

886
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:04,960
The online price.

887
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:10,640
We're trying to smoke like the every, every day or within the range of the, let's say,

888
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,440
fully employed person who wants to smoke cigars.

889
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,440
Right.

890
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,440
Yeah, we're talking.

891
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,720
Not the hedge fund manager or the tech bro guy.

892
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:19,720
Yeah.

893
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:23,600
I focus on cigars that if you go to a cigar shop, it's less than 15 bucks because if you

894
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,760
spend 15 bucks on a cigar, it's most likely going to be good.

895
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:27,760
Yeah.

896
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:33,160
If you spend seven to 10, now you're getting into territory where you could get a bad cigar

897
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,160
for sure.

898
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,160
You know?

899
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,160
Yes.

900
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,160
Depending on what it is.

901
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,880
And you can, well, largely we've found that you can stick with certain brands and you're

902
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,280
going to get good results, I guess.

903
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,840
But I don't like the concept of brand loyalty either.

904
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:52,160
So yeah, I don't know that it's necessarily brand loyalty because I feel like in the cigar

905
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,560
realm, it's rewarding good product.

906
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:56,560
Right.

907
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,360
Or so that like, it's not being a Disney fan person, right?

908
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,440
Like anything Disney does is great.

909
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,680
With the cigars, when we say if you're going to smoke an Oliva or a CAO, that's not the

910
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,240
flavors, it's generally going to be a good stick.

911
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:14,760
It doesn't mean it's going to hit your flavor preferences or your profile preferences or

912
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,040
whatever, but it's going to be consistent or it's going to be complex or it's going

913
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,040
to be whatever.

914
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,840
You're going to enjoy it on some level.

915
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,160
Even if you say, you know what, this cigar is not for me, but I can tell it was a well-made,

916
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,560
well-crafted cigar.

917
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:29,560
Right.

918
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:30,560
Yeah.

919
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,440
And when we say Gurkas, and we've talked multiple times, almost every time we smoke a Gurka

920
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,600
and oftentimes when we don't smoke Gurkas, we say Gurkas are pretty hit or miss.

921
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,200
Yeah, they're not consistent.

922
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,800
Like they're not consistent across the brand.

923
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,760
But if you get a Gurka Beast and you like the Gurka Beast, then all Gurka Beasts will

924
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,840
be good for you, but you're not then going to also like the beauty.

925
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:52,840
You know what I mean?

926
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:53,840
So yeah.

927
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,440
Whereas if you get the what?

928
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,640
The Sirri R Oliva, right?

929
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,440
No, that's a La Gloria Cubana.

930
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,680
Oh, La Gloria Cubana Sirri R versus the Sirri N. Like you're going to like both of them

931
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,080
and you might like one more than the other, but they're going to be good.

932
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,080
They're both good.

933
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,080
Right.

934
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,080
Yeah.

935
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,880
I like the Sirri R better than the N and I like the Spanish press better than the N,

936
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:13,880
but the N is a good cigar.

937
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:14,880
Well, yeah, they're all good cigars.

938
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:15,880
I would never say it's not.

939
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:21,760
But I don't know that that's like, see, you use the modern lingo much.

940
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,960
Oh, Mike, because we're both old now that we're older than 88, right?

941
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:26,960
Right.

942
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:27,960
Yeah.

943
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,440
I don't know that that's simping for La Gloria Cubana.

944
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,960
They just make a good cigar.

945
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:33,960
They do.

946
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,600
So you're going to find you're going to find one that you like better than the other and

947
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:37,600
whichever one that is.

948
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:38,600
That's great.

949
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,600
Yep.

950
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,600
It's like Rocky Patel.

951
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:41,600
The Edge.

952
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:42,600
I like Rocky Patel, the Edge cigars.

953
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:43,600
Yeah.

954
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:44,600
I do.

955
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:45,600
Oh, the Fumas.

956
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:50,600
I mean, if you're going to build, you have a box at home and you want yard cigars and

957
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,880
you can get a good price on the Fumas, that's the way to go.

958
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:54,880
Potentially.

959
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:55,880
Potentially.

960
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:56,880
It's one way to go, at least.

961
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:57,880
Well, yeah.

962
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:03,240
You're not going to make a mistake by getting, if you like the Rocky Patel Edge Maduro, you

963
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:06,960
can get the box of Fumas and you're going to be perfectly happy with that.

964
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,400
Oh, undoubtedly.

965
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,320
Especially at home, where you're out in the shop or something.

966
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,320
It's perfect.

967
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,320
Yeah.

968
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,840
And even to share with friends that are interested in cigars.

969
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:18,840
I don't know.

970
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:19,840
Oh, yeah.

971
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:20,840
I don't know.

972
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,840
I don't know.

973
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:29,000
Mike, you're starting to get to know more people that are friendish or friendly, I guess,

974
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,880
now that we have this kind of cigar podcast.

975
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,240
But I don't really have a lot of friends that spoke cigars outside of you.

976
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:42,640
But I don't think giving somebody an Edge Fuma would turn anybody off, even if you're

977
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,280
into cigars, because it's still basically an Edge.

978
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,000
You know what I mean?

979
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,000
Right.

980
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,960
You're going to meet whatever criteria they have at the plant or the factory to get the

981
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,880
full on label.

982
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,440
The Fumas are short cuttings, I think.

983
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,440
Yeah.

984
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,440
But if you don't know anything about cigars, you wouldn't even know.

985
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:10,880
And it's almost like the wine tastings, the blind wine tastings and the box of wines stereotypically

986
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,440
do as good or better than some of the super expensive wines.

987
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,440
Right.

988
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,360
The fact that it's in a box turns people off.

989
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,040
But it tastes just as good, if not better than some of the other stuff.

990
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:27,200
So I just feel like if you like cigars and you want something good, there's nothing wrong

991
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,400
with the Fumas.

992
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,800
There's nothing wrong with some of these.

993
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,400
Some companies even call them factory rejects.

994
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,400
But there's nothing wrong with them.

995
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,400
It's the same stuff.

996
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,400
It's the same.

997
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,160
It's almost imperceptible unless you have a highly attuned palate.

998
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,480
If you're the Gordon Ramsay of cigar smokers.

999
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,480
You know what I mean?

1000
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:45,480
Yeah.

1001
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:46,480
We're not.

1002
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:47,680
No, we're not.

1003
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,080
And this is the longest we've ever talked about cigars on our podcast, I think.

1004
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,520
And we have a cigar podcast.

1005
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,760
Because usually we talk about other things.

1006
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:55,760
Right.

1007
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,920
As you do when you smoke cigars in a public setting.

1008
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:58,920
Right?

1009
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,080
You're not talking about the luxuriousness of whatever.

1010
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,080
Yeah.

1011
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:08,880
And you know, like, oh, these tobacco leaves are handpicked by blind Tibetan monks.

1012
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:14,320
Therefore they taste better than other tobacco leaves picked by non-blind Tibetan monks or

1013
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,000
whatever it is, you know.

1014
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,440
But I think that's how a point is.

1015
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,440
We're not trying to gatekeep cigars.

1016
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,600
We're smoking all of these cigars, if we're being honest, primarily for our pleasure.

1017
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,600
Right.

1018
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:30,920
And then secondarily, for people who are interested in cigars, but don't want to spend a thousand

1019
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,200
dollars per box of cigars to get like the super fancy shit.

1020
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,200
Right.

1021
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,160
And like I say, if you go to a cigar shop, you spend 15 bucks, you're going to get a

1022
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,360
good cigar.

1023
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,480
But I don't necessarily want to go to the cigar shop and spend 15 bucks.

1024
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,480
No, no.

1025
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,760
I mean, if you have a special occasion and you want to spend 15 bucks on a cigar, by

1026
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,260
all means.

1027
00:44:51,260 --> 00:44:57,140
But there are plenty of cigars that are sub $10 that are just as good and in some cases

1028
00:44:57,140 --> 00:44:59,160
better than the more expensive stick.

1029
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,160
Oh yes.

1030
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:06,360
And as a preview for next season, I ordered a bunch of cigars and we're going to be smoking

1031
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,960
brick houses and we're going to be smoking a lot of these.

1032
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,360
I think I got a couple of every factory smoke.

1033
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,800
If the brand factory smokes, I got every one of them.

1034
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:21,280
So we're going to be trying all these cigars that are specifically oriented as budget box

1035
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,880
filler type of cigars.

1036
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,760
And we'll see if we like them or if we think they're trash.

1037
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,560
You know, it's a it is a roll of the dice more so than what we're doing now.

1038
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,560
Yeah.

1039
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:33,920
Well, we did season one.

1040
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:39,640
I know I remember we did the bin Maduro and it was and then we did that with the tequila.

1041
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,980
But the plain bin Maduro is very, very bland.

1042
00:45:43,980 --> 00:45:44,980
But the life.

1043
00:45:44,980 --> 00:45:45,980
Yep.

1044
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:49,760
And that's and we've talked about a lot of cigars that we smoked.

1045
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,560
We're like, fuck, I'd rather smoke a tequila bin Maduro than this one.

1046
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:54,560
Yep.

1047
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,400
And I think I got some blackbirds.

1048
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:01,120
You guys will see, but they're all going to be there's a theme for the season.

1049
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,120
You know?

1050
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,120
Yes.

1051
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,920
We've amped some stuff for season three.

1052
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,280
I don't want to I'm not going to go into a lot of things because then it puts a lot of

1053
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,440
pressure on me.

1054
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,720
But we don't want some new things for season three.

1055
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:14,520
I'm very excited about season three.

1056
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,200
I mean, I've been excited about season one, season two.

1057
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:23,080
I've been learning with the editing of audio, which is always one of my weakest parts of

1058
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,560
filmmaking was the audio bits.

1059
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,880
And you need the audio for film for sure.

1060
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:34,000
I read somewhere that people will watch shitty quality video as long as the audio is good,

1061
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,240
but they won't watch pristine quality video if the audio is bad.

1062
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:44,320
So it's really been fun for me to kind of hone my audio skills.

1063
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:49,120
And if you're listening on shitty Bluetooth headphones, Keith, and not to name any names,

1064
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,880
don't don't tell me about that.

1065
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,080
And that's on the headphones.

1066
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,080
That's on the headphones.

1067
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,080
But.

1068
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,080
Oh, my.

1069
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,080
I'm sorry.

1070
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,280
I had to I had to get that off my chest.

1071
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,280
You know, it's New Year, New Year's Eve is coming up.

1072
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,600
New Year, new me, new you, new nice ashes.

1073
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,680
But it'll largely be the same.

1074
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,840
Like we're not drastically changing like the format or anything like that.

1075
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,480
But Mike's got the cigar themes going.

1076
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,280
I've got some other things I'm working on.

1077
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,480
So it will be a fun time.

1078
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,480
Yep.

1079
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,480
Yeah.

1080
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,360
For next season, I think that every single cigar I got is less than five dollars, maybe

1081
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,820
less than six for some of them other than the cigars, because we probably have 50 cigars

1082
00:47:28,820 --> 00:47:30,880
in the bag right now that we could smoke.

1083
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,400
I don't know how many we have in the show box right now.

1084
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,240
Yeah, we probably have 20.

1085
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:36,240
Yeah.

1086
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:37,240
And I got fancy ones.

1087
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:42,160
We got to we're going to have to do a lot more planning because we've got two really

1088
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:48,360
fantastic looking cigars that were released for St. Patty's Day.

1089
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,360
Yes.

1090
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,480
So we're going to try and work those in.

1091
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,480
Right, Mike?

1092
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:52,480
Yes, we are.

1093
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:53,480
Yes, we are.

1094
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,120
We have great shelf appeal.

1095
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,120
So good.

1096
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,560
So I'm going to be very disappointed if they're not excellent.

1097
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:06,080
Which, by the way, I think this Rocky Patel, I'm over halfway done.

1098
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,080
Oh, me too.

1099
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,320
It's a great last cigar because it is lovely.

1100
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,520
I really like this a lot.

1101
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:12,840
I like this one a lot.

1102
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,400
I knew like I remember when I said like, oh, I like this one so much better than the last

1103
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,400
one.

1104
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,140
And you were like, well, OK, like it's good.

1105
00:48:20,140 --> 00:48:24,320
But I'm staying true with my I like this one better than the last Rocky Patel we did.

1106
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:25,880
I like the last Rocky Patel.

1107
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,080
I don't know if it's true or not.

1108
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,680
We could discuss it openly amongst, you know, all of our listener.

1109
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,880
This is a safe place.

1110
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,880
It's a safe place.

1111
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,160
I think that I'm more open to different styles of cigars than you are.

1112
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,040
You like that darker punchier cigar almost exclusively.

1113
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:50,080
And I do like those cigars, but I'm a lot more open to try milder cigars and enjoy them.

1114
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,280
I just appreciate them for what they are.

1115
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,220
You know, I mean, I might have that, I guess.

1116
00:48:55,220 --> 00:48:59,960
But I don't I don't think I've ever said no to a cigar you wanted to smoke most because

1117
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:01,520
I don't know most of the scars.

1118
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,000
But no, I'm not saying that you would say no.

1119
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,760
It's just that you have you have a defined plate favor or flavor profile.

1120
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:09,760
Yeah.

1121
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:10,760
Yes.

1122
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:11,760
You have a palate.

1123
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,600
I'm not like what is it like the snoods would say, oh, you have a limited palate.

1124
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:15,600
That's not what I'm saying.

1125
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:22,040
I'm saying you have defined things that you know you like way more than others.

1126
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,040
You know.

1127
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,040
Yeah.

1128
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,960
But I mean, I liked because I think that Christoph Connecticut was one I went to the big store

1129
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,940
here that's not a sponsor down by me.

1130
00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:34,280
And I said, hey, we're kind of getting into the Connecticut's.

1131
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,600
And the guy there was like, hey, you got to do this Christoph Connecticut.

1132
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:39,920
And that was really good.

1133
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,920
I liked that one a lot.

1134
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,840
Yeah, it's good about liking it a lot, you know.

1135
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,240
And I like trying the different things and I like trying all the different stuff.

1136
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:52,280
And I guess I have like preferences, of course, as all of us do.

1137
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,840
But I do like trying all the different ones.

1138
00:49:54,840 --> 00:50:00,360
And it's fun doing like I like that the CAO kind of does, you know, like the flavors and

1139
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,680
they do the countries and they do, you know, some other stuff.

1140
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,440
So it's fun kind of getting to experience some of those different styles and rappers

1141
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,440
and things.

1142
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,440
So.

1143
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:11,440
Yeah.

1144
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:17,640
And then I as I'm sure people noticed, I like to get all of the rappers in a series

1145
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,200
that we have at least a baseline to compare them against one another.

1146
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,680
You know, it's all the same line of cigar.

1147
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,120
And I enjoy that.

1148
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:30,080
I also tend to enjoy Robusto sizes largely because you can get Robustos for a reasonable

1149
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,600
price because they're so popular.

1150
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,600
Yes.

1151
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,120
And it's been interesting to me, especially with the moon trance where the Rooster Moon

1152
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,080
trance and we've talked about it before.

1153
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,880
We don't have to oversell it or sell it or anything.

1154
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,600
Like it's phenomenal.

1155
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,120
But the torpedo is not, I mean, it's good.

1156
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,840
It's still good, but it's not as good as the Robusto.

1157
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:54,040
So it's interesting to me when we do some of these same cigars with different sizes

1158
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:58,560
and then to be able to compare and say, well, look, actually this size is better than that

1159
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,720
size of this same cigar.

1160
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:01,720
Right.

1161
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:02,720
That's like the edges.

1162
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:08,600
You know, I liked the smaller torpedo edges more than the larger edges, like the Presidente

1163
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:09,600
size.

1164
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:10,600
Yeah.

1165
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,240
The Presidente's were good, but it's overwhelming.

1166
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:16,560
You know, a two hour cigar is too much for me.

1167
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:17,560
Yeah.

1168
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,240
In most circumstances.

1169
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:20,240
Right.

1170
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:21,240
Yeah, it is.

1171
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:23,240
It's just like, oh my God.

1172
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:25,760
It's just so much.

1173
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:31,320
Well, that's the thing is, you know, two hours you could smoke one Presidente or you could

1174
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:32,320
smoke two Robustos.

1175
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:33,320
You know what I mean?

1176
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:34,320
So.

1177
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,320
Right.

1178
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,320
Exactly.

1179
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,320
You can switch it up and it's just not so overpowering.

1180
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:39,320
Yeah.

1181
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,920
I mean, it's kind of circumstantial.

1182
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:41,920
Yeah.

1183
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,320
And sometimes you're into that, you know, like we haven't smoked it on the show, but

1184
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,120
the Excalibur, the large Excaliburs are wonderful.

1185
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,120
Yes.

1186
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:55,320
I've been trying to source another one because I have one in my humidor and I can't find

1187
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,320
them online.

1188
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,320
I'm gonna have to, I might have to go to a cigar shop and find one to match.

1189
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,320
Yeah.

1190
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,800
You could also like, if you've got one, you can send it, send whatever it is to me and

1191
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,760
then I'll go look at the cigar shop here.

1192
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,800
Cause then if I have one, we're good.

1193
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:08,800
Right.

1194
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,440
I haven't smoked this one on the show and I hope that we will at some point, but I remember

1195
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,440
Mike and I smoked this.

1196
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:14,440
It was huge.

1197
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,440
It was fucking massive.

1198
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,960
It was too big for Mike's cigar cutter, the Asylum 13.

1199
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,200
And it was like so good, but it was huge.

1200
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,600
We did smoke that on the show.

1201
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,560
I think that was our finale last year, wasn't it?

1202
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:26,560
Oh, was it?

1203
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:27,560
I mean, I check.

1204
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,160
No, we had the Placencia Alma Forte.

1205
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,160
Yes.

1206
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:32,160
Yes.

1207
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,160
Yeah.

1208
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,160
The Asylum 13.

1209
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:39,640
I mean, on the show, but it was a great cigar, but it was huge and long and took a long time

1210
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:40,640
to smoke.

1211
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:41,640
Yep.

1212
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:42,640
Yeah, but it was a personal.

1213
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,400
Sometimes you want the two hour plus cigar and sometimes you don't.

1214
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:46,400
Most of the time you don't.

1215
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,400
But sometimes you do.

1216
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:48,400
Yeah.

1217
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,280
And I like on the opposite end of that, I don't like Coronas.

1218
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,600
I do not like Coronas sized cigars.

1219
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:59,500
I do like Rothschilds, which are like an inch shorter than a Robusto, but I do prefer the

1220
00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:01,160
Robusto just a little bit bigger.

1221
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,880
Like I say, it's all I don't know how many cigars I've smoked, but over time I've just

1222
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:06,880
gravitated.

1223
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,560
Yeah, at least three.

1224
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,200
Yeah, I've just gravitated towards that size.

1225
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,400
Yeah, I think there are Bustos is a great size, all things considered.

1226
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:16,400
Right.

1227
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,400
And we've had Gordo's.

1228
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,400
I don't mind Gordo's so much depending.

1229
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:19,400
Yeah.

1230
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,400
Yeah.

1231
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,480
They get a little too loosey goosey at the end.

1232
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:27,280
You know, in my opinion, this is more these last two that we smoked are more of Gordo

1233
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,440
size, smaller diameter than a Gordo, but they're longer than a Robusto.

1234
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,160
They're not quite a Churchill.

1235
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,920
And it's long.

1236
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,480
I still have an inch and a half cigar left and we've been smoking it for over an hour,

1237
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:39,480
you know?

1238
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:40,760
So that's what I mean.

1239
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,800
It's like, I don't want to put it down, but it's like, all right, all right.

1240
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:45,800
Yeah.

1241
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,880
Maybe it's my shitty attention span.

1242
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:48,960
We've talked about it too.

1243
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:54,680
It's all kind of situational, you know, which we try to bring up on the show is if you got

1244
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,760
an hour plus, this size is great if you get less, the different sizes better.

1245
00:53:58,760 --> 00:53:59,760
So right.

1246
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,920
And smoking a cigar should be about having just a little moment of relaxation and luxury

1247
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,880
and hopefully forgetting about your problems for just a little bit.

1248
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:14,280
You know, that's the way all the busy adult lives apparently were old now, according to

1249
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,280
old dads.

1250
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:20,640
But I never thought I'd be in the same like how old is Bill Burr?

1251
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:21,640
He's 50 some.

1252
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,840
How am I now?

1253
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,040
How are we now suddenly lumped in with a 50 something year old man?

1254
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:31,000
Like, oh, we're going to fire everybody born before 88.

1255
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,000
And now I'm having to relate to a 50 year old man.

1256
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,000
Yep.

1257
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,480
Well, that's part of this show, right?

1258
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,080
Like he's trying to deal with these kids that are kids, adults that are younger than us.

1259
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:45,760
And I have a difficult time dealing with the 24 year olds and I'm not that much older than

1260
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,540
them, but yeah, I am there and their minds.

1261
00:54:48,540 --> 00:54:57,520
You are, but it's interesting because in your 20s, anybody older than you is like ancient,

1262
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,640
even if it's only by five years.

1263
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:04,240
But after you kind of hit 30, I think, well, I don't know, I haven't hit 40 yet, but in

1264
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:09,640
your late 20s, early 30s, you're kind of like, well, anybody who's an adult older than let's

1265
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:16,400
say 25 is kind of in the same like realm, you know, like similar concerns and interests

1266
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:17,400
sometimes.

1267
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:18,760
You know, I don't know.

1268
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,080
Yeah, we're just trying to grind, I guess.

1269
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,080
I guess.

1270
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,080
Yeah.

1271
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,640
And sometimes it's always interesting.

1272
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,280
Now you're old enough to be judgmental.

1273
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,560
Judgmental about the decisions that you also made.

1274
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:38,440
I don't know if you saw this meme, Mike, and I'll say it here.

1275
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,560
It's our season two finale, whatever.

1276
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:45,440
Whereas somebody saying I identify as a, as a female and as a man, like identify as a

1277
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:46,440
female.

1278
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:47,440
I'm not a judge.

1279
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,640
Well, I identify as a judge.

1280
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:50,640
Nice.

1281
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:51,640
Yeah.

1282
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:52,640
I don't know.

1283
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:53,640
It's kind of lame, but.

1284
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:54,640
I don't know.

1285
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:59,480
For information for the show here, guys, the end of my cigar is coming loose and I think

1286
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,040
I have to stop smoking it.

1287
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,040
Yeah.

1288
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,040
Oh no.

1289
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,040
Yeah.

1290
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,040
Mine's still good.

1291
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,440
I cross cut it to the crown cut and the end is like loosey goosey.

1292
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,200
She's like disintegrating in my mouth.

1293
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,600
I just said the one V cut.

1294
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,200
I didn't do the cross cut.

1295
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,520
So that's the difference.

1296
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:20,160
I felt the gauge was warranting of one V cut and not the cross cut.

1297
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,320
I considered it.

1298
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,320
I considered it.

1299
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:23,320
Yes.

1300
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:24,320
Yes.

1301
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:25,320
So I think I might actually be done.

1302
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,840
Unfortunately, that makes me disappointed because it's very good.

1303
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:28,840
It's all good.

1304
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:29,840
It's all good.

1305
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:30,840
It's a really good stick.

1306
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,120
The sun grown.

1307
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,320
I like better than the vintage.

1308
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,320
What was it?

1309
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,320
2003?

1310
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:38,320
Let me check.

1311
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:39,800
We will check real quick.

1312
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,880
It was the vintage 2003 Cameroon.

1313
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:43,880
Yep.

1314
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,040
So I would recommend both, but I think the sun grows better.

1315
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,040
Yeah.

1316
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:49,040
Sun grows better slightly.

1317
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,040
Yes.

1318
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,400
Slight edge to the sun.

1319
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,360
So everybody hope has a happy new year.

1320
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:55,920
Happy new year.

1321
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:01,040
And this is our finale for season two and we'll catch you in a couple of months.

1322
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,040
Be safe.

1323
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,040
Have fun.

1324
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:15,480
Thanks for listening.