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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Mike. And I'm Nate. What are we smoking today, Mike? We are smoking

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a Rocky Patel Vintage 2003 Cameroon. Nice. There's a bit of spice on the cap. See, I

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thought mine was a little sour. Oh, okay. Yeah, I thought mine was sour. I think the

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mouth taste. Okay, it felt it tasted a little spicy to me. But I want to mention this too,

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before we get into it is when I took the plastic wrapper off the stick, both the labels came

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off inside the wrapper. Not a big deal. Because they come off, you know, they're supposed

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to come off later anyway, but just wanted to full disclosure. Interesting. Sounded like

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our friend, the voice of the matriarchy. Yes, our friend, the voice of the matriarchy came

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over and closed the door. Somehow the dog got it open. Well, you know, but for the listeners,

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my studio here, let's call it has a paddle handle. So the dog can actually open it if

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she really wanted to. Yeah. But she was staring in on me and nudging the door open from the

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inside. Well, what are your initial thoughts on this one, Mike? It's a little spicy, but

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it's got like an acid note. Mine does. Yeah. Like an acid. Yeah. Like when I and I wet

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it, the cap was I tasted the spice, but it's got some kind of like back note. That's not

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really pleasant, but it's still early in the cigar. So I would not call it pleasant. I

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may have to pause in the middle of the episode and grab a glass of whiskey to knock that

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note down. So today I'm pairing with water like ice water. Yeah. And yeah, I might need

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something to actually knock that note down if it doesn't go away. Yeah. I am drinking

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a I believe it's eucalyptus lemon honey tea. I put some honey in there and then I put a

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nice splash of whiskey in there. I had chills last night for most of the night. And you

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might be able to tell my voice is a little nasally or dry. I'm hoping it's just the weird

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weather we've been having, but figured I'd start with this like kind of immunity tea

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with some whiskey. Of course, I had somebody that's a coworker that swore by drinking warm

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whiskey with honey in it to take care of any kind of throat issues. So don't sure accurate

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that is, but well, that's similar to a hot toddy. And I'm not a number of people that

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swear by hot toddies for colds. Yeah. And there'll be something to it because it has

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the acid and the alcohol and that'll kill all the bacteria in the back of your throat.

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Yeah. And it tastes nice. And of course it makes you a little intoxicated. So you'll

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fall asleep pretty quick. Yeah. So you said something about the warm whiskey and the honey

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coating the back of your throat and letting the whiskey soak in. So sure. I have no idea.

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I mean, whatever, whatever, you know, but right. Anyway, that's why I'm drinking what

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I'm drinking. So, right. It makes me feel better when I'm sick. So that's what matters.

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So what are we talking about today, Nate? Well, we're going to do a double whammy on,

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uh, I guess I would call them not politically correct movies. So we're going to do, we're

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going to start with an older one, not as old as blazing saddles. So everybody rest easy.

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I think back to what 2005, 2004, 2005 ish somewhere in there. Something like that. It

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was new. Yeah. Yeah. And then we're going to do a brand new one. That's been, I don't

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know. It hasn't really gotten a whole lot of buzz, but people that are kind of embracing

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the anti wokeness have been championing this, this film, this newer one that we're about

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to do. And I have thoughts on it. Mike and I haven't really discussed either of these

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movies in specific depths. Uh, we've talked about the first one we're about to talk about

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in the sense of, you know, two people that enjoy the film, uh, kind of talking about

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some of the highlights, but we've not really gone through and said any of our thoughts

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or opinions or things of that nature. And is it fair to say Mike, this first movie is

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one of your favorite films? I would say that that's fair. Yeah. I love this movie. It,

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uh, was a box office flop. I think that Fox killed it on purpose cause they didn't like

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the messaging and I was part of the first generation of people to like make it a quote

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unquote cult classic. If you want to call it that, cause I was in college at the time

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when this was released onto DVD, you know, and of course I own a DVD copy of it. I don't

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know if they even sell it in Blu ray to be honest with you, but, uh, yeah, I don't know

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if they, they probably did. They probably did release it. I think it's in HD or, you

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know, full HD on the streaming services. A lot of times that'll happen even if it never

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got a physical release in HD. Sure. Well, I looked online and there's no place that's

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streaming it for free. You have to rent it online. But of course I have a DVD copy, so

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I watched it on DVD, but I know what was streaming on Hulu, but I have the feeling that Disney

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took it down because it, uh, yeah, I watched it on, uh, to be, it was on to be for a little

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bit. I looked for it on to be today and it was not on there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was

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on there, but they, uh, to be only has certain titles on for so many, so many days before

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they, they're viewing or they're streaming rights, uh, laps or something. I'm not entirely

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sure how it works, but I even looked for it on, um, YouTube and there's two people that

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did commentaries for the movie for the entire length of the movie, but there's no video

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of the movie. It's the goofiest thing. Yeah. It's also out there on other, other websites

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for your pleasure. So, uh, should we stop? Should we, is that beating around the bush

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and teasing our listeners and tell them what film this is? Mike? Absolutely. We are talking

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about the cult classic Idiocracy. Welcome to Costco. I love you. Welcome to Costco. Oh

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man, dude, there's so many, um, great one-liners. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, we got her off on a whoring

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license. So why don't you, uh, for people that haven't seen Idiocracy, it's a little

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bit older film. It's Luke Wilson, right? Yep. Luke Wilson, Maya Rudolph, uh, Dax Shepard

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and, uh, Dwayne Elizondo Camacho, uh, Terry Cruz. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, we're

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gonna run through of kind of the plot and then we'll get into kind of talking about

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it. And then we'll talk about our other movie, which is I guess as politically correct as

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this one is. Yes. Yes. Uh, I would say that this movie was, it wasn't necessarily being

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purposefully politically incorrect. It was just trying to make fun of trends in the culture

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that a lot of, which continued on and now it's like foretelling the future. Yeah. That's

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the one thing is, you know, Idiocracy is supposed to be a comedy movie, not a documentary. And

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at the time that they made the film and as Christopher Guest, right? The director and

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he did, um, was it Christopher Guest or was it Mike? Oh, oh, Mike Christopher Guest. I

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thought it was Mike Judge. I know Mike Judge wrote it. Okay. Yep. Mike Judge. Yeah. Yeah.

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Um, anyway, but it was, you know, it's a, it's a farcical, I would say it's like a farcical

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time travel romp. You know what I mean? It is, but they leaned heavy into the farcical

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aspects of what they extrapolated out for how they thought humanity would be in, I believe

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it's 500 years. He gets frozen for 500 years. Yeah, it's 500 years. So brief plot synopsis,

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military experiment to freeze bodies long-term, uh, with the goal of taking their elite fighters

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and extending their useful timeframe. Uh, so they put a prostitute and army loser that

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are quote unquote average average. To be fair, it's not an army loser. They found the two

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most average people they could find. They did all these, uh, statistics and things.

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average. And when you meet Luke Wilson, he's doing like a computer job, but watching TV

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or something. And they're like, Hey, you got it. You got a new assignment. He's like, well,

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can I just sit here and watch TV? He's managing a library on a military base. That's it. He's

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yeah. Yeah. He's, he's doing nothing with his life. Yeah. Uh, but anyway, so the experiment

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gets botched. It's constant one-liners with upgrade and, uh, you know, the, yeah, it's

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a corrupt program. Him and Maya Rudolph go into these pods and then the program gets

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shut down because the guy in charge of it got too involved with upgrade and like the

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pimping industry and they shut it down and then forgot about it and like sealed up the

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room and, and then 500 years go by and they, uh, they pop out and have to adapt to the

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new reality. Yes. Of 2505 and, uh, hilarity ensues and, uh, like Luke Wilson immediately

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thinks that he's having drug induced hallucinations. Yep. And, uh, Maya Rudolph somehow doesn't,

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she just thinks that the world has changed that radically because she's like a prostitute.

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So from her perspective, the streets aren't that much. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, who was, who

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was the first guy that Luke Wilson ran into? Dak Shepard, his lawyer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. His name in the, what was his name in the movie? I can't remember. Uh, oh dang

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it. No, you're going to have to make me look it up. It's something stupid. They all had

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stupid names. Yeah. Yeah. They all have stupid names, but he, so he's like, he runs into

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this guy or into his apartment or something breaks through the window. I don't know. Oh,

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it's Enrico Bendejo. Oh yeah. They've all got big gulps, right? And he's on this big

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like lazy boy chair watching TV and it's like the dumbest programming ever. And it's got

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a toilet built right in. Cause he like flushes and stands up and he's like, Hey, what are

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you doing to my house? Yeah. Ouch. My balls. Yeah. Yeah. Ouch. My balls. And they talk,

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uh, and they have some kind of, uh, it's like what Southern slaying kind of thing that kind

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of took over the societal valley girl, various kinds of crunk, uh, inner city slang and,

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uh, something else that all get blended together. So yeah, they're speaking of dialect mixed

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with all of these sub dialect street languages that is actually hilarious. And I can understand

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exactly what they're saying. Yeah. Even though it sounds dumb as shit. Oh yeah. But that's

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the point. Yeah. It's supposed to sound ridiculous, but yeah, it's funny. It's, uh, he doesn't

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have the barcode on his wrist or whatever for citizenship identification. So he gets

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arrested and goes to trial, but because he can form a sentence that basically loses him

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the case because yes. So in 2005 it was still acceptable to call people fags, uh, as a S not,

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not like a homophobic slur, but as like a way to say that you're being negative somehow,

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or like you're an idiot or a wuss or whatever. And they all of these other terms that now

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you can't say, I'm not saying we should, I'm not saying we should bring back these terms.

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I'm just saying like it was a different era. These are the movies words, not our personal

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beliefs and words. Right. Yeah. Yeah. He goes to the doctor and the doctor says he's doing

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fag talk. Yeah. Yeah. And he puts together this, uh, or what do you say? He's like, Oh

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yeah, you're tarted like my wife. And now she's a pilot. Yeah. No, my ex wife. Yeah.

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You're tarted like my ex wife. Today, nowadays, tarps can leave real kick ass lives. She's

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a pilot now. Yeah. And that was, that was Justin Long, wasn't it? He made a little cameo

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in there, I think. And uh, but yeah, so he put together this eloquent defense of himself

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in the courtroom and uh, and the response to that was, there he goes using that fake

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talk again. And so they sent him to jail, but he talked his way out of jail cause he's

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like, Oh, I'm not supposed to be here. And they're like, Oh, well there's the exit over

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there. Yep. And then he runs out the door and the automatic machine guns shoot each

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other. Yup. There's a lot of small details in the movie that if, yes, if you enjoy that

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sort of thing, it's very small details just constantly. Yeah. Like, uh, the hospital is

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Saint God's hospital. Yeah. But the last like four letters of hospital are going straight

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down the side of the hospital. Like they ran out of room on a piece of paper. Yeah. And

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uh, it was the great, uh, the way that these, uh, experimental pods were uncovered was it

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was the great garbage avalanche of 2505. Yeah. Because they're just piling their garbage

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in the middle of a city instead of disposing of it. So, and they like, uh, they only drink

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Brando. Yep. They only drink Brando, the thirst mutilator. Yeah. It's got electrolytes. There's

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a whole seed where he's like, yeah, but what does that mean? And they're like, well, it's

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got electrolytes. He's like, yes, I understand that. But what do you mean by electrolytes?

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And he's like, everybody else is like, well, they got them. Yeah. It's got, it's what,

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it's what plants crave. Yeah. What do plants crave? Brando. Yep. So, uh, yeah, he gets

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sent to prison. The Wendy's self-serve booth. Hardee's. Yeah. Carl's Jr. Yeah. Yeah. The

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self-serve booth. It isn't too far off from, uh, nowadays, you know, you go to hotels and you

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order your own thing and then it pops out. Yeah. Yeah. So you get sent to prison. One of the best

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lines of the movie is what are we doing here? He's like, well, sir, you have to take an IQ test so

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you can have a jail jobs. You can be an individual particular in jail. Yeah. And then, and then the

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IQ test is like, put a triangle shape in a triangle hole. And the guy next to him can't do it. And

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he's like, are you, he's like, look at her out. Like, are you serious? Yeah. And they're like

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trying to hide their results. Yeah. He's like, yeah, like he's cheating off of them, like put

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the triangle in the hole. And so he ends up with like the highest IQ anyone's ever seen, but he's

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just average from, you know, 2005. So, right. Yeah. The first question was if you have one bucket with

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two gallons and a second bucket with five gallons, how many buckets do you have? Yeah.

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And it took him a while because he thought it was like a trick question. Yeah. He was like looking

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at her and I was like, what? It's a trick question or not. And then I think the Costco scene is

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hilarious too. And they're like, well, we'll go to the Costco or something. And then it takes up,

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I don't know how many square miles this Costco. Yeah. It was an hour walk to the train inside of

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the Costco. Yeah. Welcome to Costco. I love you. Classic. And everybody's wearing Crocs, but it was

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before Crocs blew up. Yeah. That was one of the things that Mike Judge said that he was afraid of

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because he hated these plastic, horrible shoes, but they blew up real popular after the movie was

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made. So I've never worn Crocs. I have a pair. My wife got them for me and I like them. I use them

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mostly as like outdoor summer slippers instead of, you know, like the fake fur lined winter slippers.

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So right. You don't have wedding. I don't know. I don't. And I don't have any bling for my Crocs

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because there's a whole like subculture now of you can get bling for your Crocs that stick in the

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little holes there and you get little like charms and doubles, baubles, things like that. I have a

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great life hack for Crocs. We can talk about that next episode. So, but yeah. And then everything I

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say, everything's in the small details. All the background stuff is all hilarious. And that's a

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lot of the joy of the movie is the background stuff. Yeah. The hospital seat is hilarious because

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they bring them to this room that's got kind of like all the treatments right there and they

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give them two probes. He's like, OK, this goes to your bowels or this goes to your butt. And he

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looks at him. And so he does. And he's like, oh, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait. This one goes in your

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mouth. And he pulls the one out of his butt. He's like, this one goes in your butt. And the

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receptionist at the hospital, he's like, he's like, he's trying to explain what's wrong with

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them. And she's looking at all like the pictograms, right? It's like pregnant with a baby or like

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gunshot wound. But they're all like pictograms, not even words. And he's trying to look for the

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right button to push, to tell him where to go. Yep. Which it feels like that in the hospitals.

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all of the brands in the movie that initially he was advised by lawyers. He had to add more

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because he was making so much fun of Starbucks and Kentucky Fried Chicken and Fuddruckers that he

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down to like sex and money. You know, the worst parts of our culture. I will say there's not

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enough. Right. There's a lot of fat people, but there's not enough fat people given like

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the big gulps of pop that everybody seems to be having. You know what I mean? Yeah. Of brondo.

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Yeah. Well, they had that and nasty. Yeah. Yeah, they did. Not sure if you noticed that. Yeah.

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They have like all of their clothes or like the clothes that he gets to wear have like, I don't

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remember it was like snappy. I don't know. It was nasty. Like it was all like just the logo plastered

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all over for the design of the shirt. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. The shirts are like just a series of logos

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and they're all polyester. NASCAR coats almost. Yep. Yep. Everything is like 100% plastic. And

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then if you have a job, they'll have the title of your job on the sleeve of your shirt. Did you

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notice that detail? No, I don't think so. I mean, I watched it two nights in a row because I watched

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it myself to reacquaint myself with it before doing this episode. And then the next night I

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told Sarah that I watched it. She's like, well, I want to see it too. So we watched it again.

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My Sarah made me go to the basement today and watch it because she hates it. And I've seen it,

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I don't know, since like when I first saw it, I think it was 2006, 2007, whenever it came on

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the DVD because I never saw it in theater. And then I've been watching it a couple of times a

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year every year. I fucking love this movie. But yeah, like the secretary of defense or like if

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you're an attorney at law on their long sleeve polyester shirts, it'll have attorney at law or

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vice president. Like the secretary and stuff, they all have these like gigantic medals they

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have to wear on their neck, right? With their job title on it. Yep. Yeah. Those are medals of office

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and then yeah, medals of office. Yeah. Like the judge, you'll have judge on their sleeve. Yeah.

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And then he's, and then he's trying to like not have to go back to jail and stuff. And so he's

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making these promises and they're like, well, he's going to fix our plants or something. And he's

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like, I don't know. What do you think about plants? But they've been watering the crops with Brondo.

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And so he's like, we should switch it to water. They're like, what? Like, don't you have water?

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And they're like, you mean, you mean the stuff in our toilets? Yep. And then it was funny because

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they didn't really focus on the toilet in the lazy boy recliner very much, but you hear like a quiet

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flush. And then there's a scene where he's talking, Enrico or whatever is talking to

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Luke Wilson's character and he like sits down again and then flushes again, like in the middle

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of the conversation. And then stands back up and keeps talking. I really like sex and money. Yeah.

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Enrico, I think a lot of people do. Not like me. Yeah. My Rudolph's character, the prostitute,

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is having a heyday because she's getting all these people to pay her for sex in the future.

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Right. Yeah, she's manipulating these. She's not actually sleeping with any of them. She's like,

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well, you pay me now and maybe I can fit you in later. They're like, that sounds like a good deal.

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I like sex. Yep. Yeah, she's just manipulating all these moronic men on the street. And it's

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hilarious. Yeah. Hey, the boys and I were thinking, can we go family style on her? Like, holy fuck.

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Yeah. That was like the dawn of like the stepsister, stepbrother porn, you know?

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Yeah. Yeah. Which apparently is. Yeah. And then what? Oh yeah, his name. So he actually

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has to go and get his barcode tattooed and his name is like no um or something. Not sure. Oh yeah,

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not sure. That's right. Not sure. And then instead of Joe, whatever his name is, I can't remember

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his last name. Joe Bauer. But yeah, not sure. It's secretary. Not sure, ma'am. Yeah. Joe,

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what the hell is going on? But yeah, in the beginning, in the beginning too, it starts off

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and it kind of bookends the film with this is they were saying that smart people like in 2005,

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when it the first part of it takes place, we're waiting to have kids. Whereas poor,

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uneducated people were just popping kids out like crazy. Yep. And yeah, that's how they explained

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like the gradual dumbing down over the course of 500 years. Yeah, they had the family line of Cletus

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and all of his brood of kids. Yeah. Yeah. And then like girlfriends. Yeah. Then the couple with the

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IQ of 138 and 141 where he dies of a heart attack jerking off into a cup because they waited too long

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to have kids. Yeah. So it's good. Yeah. If you haven't seen it, you should check it out. If it

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sounds like something you're into, definitely not for everybody. It's not for everybody. I think

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it's hilarious. Sarah hates it. Yeah, it's I think it's hilarious. It's like I said, she hates it so

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much. I had to go into the basement and watch it in the basement because she will not watch it.

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Yeah. So after he switches everybody over to water for crops, because they had a big,

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apparently people were starving to death. They wanted him to fix the accommodate. They call it

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a comedy. That's one of the big jokes or gags is that they use all the childlike misusings of words.

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Yeah. You know, edumacation or whatever. Right. It's even more better. Yeah. Stupid stuff like that.

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It's just constant, you know. But anyway, so they apparently 50% of the workforce in that economy

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is working for Brando because they have Brando pumping to like every water fountain. And so

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they all lose their jobs. So there's street riots. So they put him into another court case where he's

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found guilty, where they have Fox News and the presenters are just like nude, extremely ripped

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people. Yeah. And then they put him into rehabilitation for a single night. And then we find out that it

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is basically a monster truck show where they execute criminals on TV with monster trucks. Yeah.

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And hilarity ensues with that. Of course, they build their monster trucks too big to get into

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the stadium and all that sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah. And that he survives that incident because

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the crops start to grow and then they have, I don't know if you noticed this detail, but

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he became vice president and then president and then he had like three kids. Yeah. The three

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smartest kids on the planet. And then Enrico had 24 kids and they were 24 toughest kids. Yeah.

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Because that was the bookend of the opening, you know, the beginning where smart people only have,

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you know, so many kids. So I think I'm about halfway with the cigar, Mike, what are your

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thoughts? You know what? I'm not disappointed. I thought it was going to be a stinker, but it's

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turned out to be really good. Yeah. In my opinion. The first, you know, I don't know, half inch or so

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wasn't the greatest, but that's perfectly in line with a lot of the cigars that we smoke. You know,

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the first little bit, you got to get through that. So. Yep. Yeah. Now it's kind of spicy and

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not too strong, kind of smelly. I want to ask you one more question about

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idiocracy before we close it up. Did you watch it until the credits were done?

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I don't think so. So after the credit scene. There's an after the credit scene. Okay.

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It's a running gag that Maya Rudolph is going to be afraid that her pimp upgrade, upgrade,

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is going to come into the future to get his money because she wasn't paying him for prostituting for

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a year. Yep. And there's a scene where upgrade pops out of one of the stasis cells and he walks

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out and he's like, I'm going to get me my money. He starts walking. Yeah. Yeah. Classic. I've seen

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the movie a few times if you couldn't tell. Yes. Yes. For those who are listening. I remember

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I remember seeing it probably when it first came out on DVD and stuff, you know, and then I didn't

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watch it again until I don't know, like a month ago. So yeah, I watched it for the first time.

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When Netflix still was like the DVD service that sent DVDs to your house. Yep. Yep. That's probably

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what I saw too, because I remember I had the DVDs coming. Yeah. I may or may not have had two

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illegal copies made of that film and I burned both of them out watching them and traveling. Then I

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had to buy the actual DVD. Yep. So yes. All right. So the next film we're talking about,

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and we really kind of just picked these two because we always wanted to talk about

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Idiocracy on the show. Yes. And without going full on into it, you know, it takes about half an hour

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to talk about Idiocracy, which is about where we're at. And we want to talk about another one. And

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this other one has kind of been billed as like the anti-woke and there's this whole like, oh,

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woke, go broke kind of rumblings on the internet, mostly in regard to everything Disney puts out.

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But, you know, other studios do as well. I guess most other studios are also owned by Disney,

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like Marvel, the Marvels and other things. So right. They're going with the too big to fail

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model where no matter how many failures they have, they only need a couple of real big successes,

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which I think they failed to do this year. Well, the failures are fine for them because it's big

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tax write offs for them. So they don't really care. I don't think it can be. And things like

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Snow White, all they want to do is renew the license on the original property because it's

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85 years old. And they have to all their live action remakes. And we've talked about this.

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They have to make another film based on the original film that extend that original film's

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copyright. So that's why they don't try and make these live action remakes any good, even though

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they have the money to make them good. They just refuse. They do the cheapest thing they can to

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extend the copyright. They don't need to, especially when they're making movies for kids, because kids

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are dumb and they'll like whatever. Well, yeah, it doesn't need to be good. You know, they could.

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I mean, you know, there's so many adults that grew up on Lion King and Aladdin and all these other

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classic Disney movies. And you put together a great live action, you're going to get everybody

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loving it. But you just do the cheap, easy way out. It's just kids. So you bring up Lion King

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and we could bring up Aladdin with that, too. And Beauty and the Beast. Those came out when

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I remember going to the movie theater for those movies. So, yeah, like now they're classics. So

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I guess we're old because we're we remember going. I remember going to the theater to watch them

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in the movie that we're going to discuss. I remember the scene. I wrote it down.

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The startup guy, he liberates the jobs, AKA fires every person born before 1988,

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which I thought I was like 1988. I'm like, holy shit, are we fucking old in the in the Hollywood

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sphere? We are old now. We are old. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if you know if you notice that or if

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that stuck out to you. I'm like 1988 is not that long ago. I mean, yeah, I was born before 1988,

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1988 as well in the in the reality of people who are alive right now. Right. That's a lot of people

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like the majority of the workforce probably was born before 1988.

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Or at least a good portion. Which which startup guy was this startup guy that bought Bill Burr's

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business? Aspen. OK. Yeah. Aspen bought there that he fought. The first thing he did was fire

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everybody that was born before 1988. OK. Yeah. Oh, in the in the movie, in the movie, in the movie.

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We didn't even say what movie we were talking about. No, I'm starting it off with just a little detail.

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You got me like all weird over here because I didn't I thought we were talking about like

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Disney live actions and you're like, yeah, I remember the startup guy. And I was like,

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is that what Disney did? No, no, no. I was segueing into the movie here, segueing into the movie.

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Yeah, yeah. I'm with you now. Yes. So you might have guessed by Mike's mention of Bill Burr,

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but the second movie we're talking about is Old Dads. Yes. And I watched this with my Sarah

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and she enjoyed it, actually. Yeah, I watched it with my Sarah, too. We both enjoyed it.

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I got to say, though, like everybody's like, oh, it's great because it's the anti woke and

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whatever, whatever. But really, like for the first 45 minutes of the movie, Bill Burr's just a giant

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asshole and you don't really like his character. But I guess that's pretty true to his stand up

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routines and stuff. So if you if you like his stand up routines, you probably like the first

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45 minutes. But if you want a movie that's more than stand up routines, you're kind of I was

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annoyed for a good chunk of the beginning part of the movie. You see, and I liked the first portion

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of the movie because a lot of the not Bill Burr characters were what you call a cry bully. Yeah,

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yeah. And it was him having an over emotional reaction. Yes. To the constant interactions

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that he had to have with people who were cry bullies. Yes. Which I can't fault him, but he

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was very assholish about the whole thing, which is understandable. But he's over the top Bill Burr

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character. Yeah. You know, for sure. It's like he was playing a character, right? Like the aggrieved

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person that was somewhat being taken advantage of by the Wolksters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess

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he and his buddies founded this vintage sports jersey company thing, and then they decided to

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sell it so they get their big payout. And then like you said, the guy that came in was an absolute,

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I don't know what you would call him. He was a 27 year old serial entrepreneur tech bro. Yeah. Who

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was hyper woke. So he uses the lingo to cover up his evil actions, basically. But he wasn't

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necessarily the evil one. It was the company that he was working for, or whatever. I don't know,

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like, because he got a little redemption at the end of the movie. Yes. Well, he was a victim of

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his own. Yeah. He was hoisted on his own. Yeah. So then did the investors or whatever wanted him

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to do certain things they had to go find like they sent. I think this might be the scene that

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Sarah and I talked about the most is when they were, they took one of the new guys and they had

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to go find this homeless guy or something, this rancher guy to be the new face of the company.

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And they had recordings of the car ride where the, cause there's one black guy and he was asking this,

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you know, hyper woke politically correct kid, basically like, look, if you're, if you're like,

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what's your favorite band, right? Or whatever favorite song. And it was, I can't remember,

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it was a rap group, NWA, NWA. And he's like, yeah. So when they say the N word, do you,

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do you sing that word when you're singing all the words or do you skip over it or like, what do you

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do? And the guy is trying to like figure out what the least offensive answer would be. But anyway,

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the point is they had the car somehow with a video recorder in it that they brought back and used to

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fire Bilber and his buddies. And then they had a camera in the, the younger employees apartment

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where he was singing along to the N word and they fired him because of that. And so the vice-chair

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is like, well, can they do that? And I'm like, well, they could probably put a recording device

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in a rental car from the company, but they probably couldn't put one in your apartment,

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you know, but I'm not a lawyer. So the, the gimmick, cause I, I was paying attention to

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that as well. They got the video from the car company because the car company put the camera in

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to protect themselves legally in case of an accident. And apparently in the state they were

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in, they could be legally recorded without their consent. And then the kid, the guy,

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there was a smart TV was being recorded by his smart TV and the company bought that data from

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the manufacturer of the television and they, the smart TVs can and do legally record you in your

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own home. So yeah, varying degrees of legality, I'm sure depending on your state, depending on

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the state that you're in, you have different amounts of, uh, recourse rights. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. So, and then they ended up, uh, my, let me tell you my favorite scene. Can you, can you guess

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Mike? No, no, no. All right. My favorite scene is after he gets into a fight with his wife,

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because he's basically, well, he's, he's rightfully being a Dick to his kids principle or whatever.

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And it's some kind of like hippie commune school, private school, private school. And he tries to

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make it up to him and brings in a plant. And then she's like, well, obviously, you know, that this

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plant is detrimental to our floor and fauna here in this area. And I can't believe that you would

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imagine to bring this in because it's just like you. And so, you know, like the principle is not

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a nice person to him. She is the definition of a cry bully because she uses all of the right PC

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language to be an absolute nasty piece of work. And she uses her privilege as a white educated woman

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to hurt others around her and protect and her position of power. Yes. Oh yeah. Director of

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this school. But anyway, bill burr has to go spend the night in a hotel because his wife got mad at

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him because even though he was trying to make it up to this woman, you know, sometimes in the cases

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of cry bullies, it's best just to cut your losses and let it be. But anyway, so he's out on the

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patio in this motel or whatever, and he's smoking a cigar. I didn't catch what type of cigar he was

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smoking, but he was smoking a cigar out on the balcony area, right? In the common area, people

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could walk around and some guy comes and he's doing the room service, right? And he's vaping.

366
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But this guy is like, Hey, you can't smoke here. And bill burr is like, well, what are you doing?

367
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You're smoking and I'm smoking. What's the deal? He goes, no, no, I'm vaping. He's like, well,

368
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smoke's coming out of your mouth. Smoke's coming out of my mouth. And you know, the whole point is

369
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like, I'm being told I can't smoke by somebody that's smoking. I think that was my favorite

370
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scene because it really illustrated the ridiculousness of some of this stuff. It's

371
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simply and succinctly kind of wrapped up a lot of the conversations that I've been privy to,

372
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or even partaken in with these kind of cry bully people where you just, it's so ridiculous that

373
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people would just stop and think. But yeah, the cigar verse vape thing I thought was.

374
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That scene is what made my Sarah lose interest in the movie because the woman across the way

375
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that was like the racist who backed up bill burr. That's where Sarah was like, I'm done now.

376
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,360
Yeah. I think I ruined it too. I'll go ahead. Oh, I was just gonna say, I thought that was,

377
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that was great because here bill burr thought he found an ally, but then it was this racist person

378
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and he was, and I think that he was kind of what motivated his character, the character arc to kind

379
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of like look at his own actions and be like, wait a second, I'm, I'm getting racists to agree with me.

380
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Like maybe, maybe I'm not, you know, I mean, you know, not, I don't think he ever said that

381
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,080
he wasn't in the right, but just the way he interacted with these people, you know,

382
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cause his wife was always telling him just to calm down and to like think before speaking and

383
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,880
you know, just stuff that you should do as a person anyway. Right. And she wasn't much better

384
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than him in certain ways. She had a temper and she was a cry bully and she physically assaulted him

385
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and kicked him out of the house. She locked him out of the house and then she physically assaulted

386
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him and physically kicked him out of the house. So just saying she, if it was a man doing that

387
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to a woman, they would have been arrested. So I will say that I mentioned this to Sarah and I like

388
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blew it blew her mind, but I told her that like the way that all of the people he was interacting

389
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with talk to bill burr, cause she was like, these people are being assholes, blah, blah, blah. And

390
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I'm like, that's exactly how I view how most people talk in like a professional work setting,

391
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:08,360
right? Like that's how they talk. That's what they're saying. It's kind of crazy. They're being

392
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,600
nasty and unpleasant, but they're covering it with pretty language, acceptable terms,

393
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,560
yeah. Niceties and niceties and everything. Cause she's into that niceties stuff and I am not.

394
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:18,840
Yeah. Um, yeah.

395
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:25,160
Well, and I think like, so my problem, I guess overall wasn't really to do with the movie at all,

396
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,920
but everybody was saying, you know, this old dad's movie is like the answer to the overly woke

397
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films and media content coming out. And I didn't really feel like it was a movie designed to

398
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:43,240
necessarily fly in the face of the wokeness, even though it certainly did that. But the

399
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overarching like message, I mean, there were a lot of messages, but the overarching message

400
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for bill burr's character was kind of how to interact with these people, these woke people,

401
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,320
and not be an asshole about it and not let it get him all riled up to where he's making

402
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,280
terrible mistakes or terrible decisions in his life. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. The

403
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,680
message is at the very end, he was playing catch with his kids and he's holding the new baby

404
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,120
and they're playing catch. And the one guy runs by is like, Hey, do you really think that's safe?

405
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,480
Uh, holding a baby while you're playing catch. And he's like, Hey, thanks for pointing that out,

406
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,080
man. And the guy kept running and bill burr kept playing catch with the baby in his, in his hands.

407
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:22,840
So he has to call him a fucking asshole. Yeah. But he didn't say it to his face and then cause

408
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,480
a scene. No, he said it like under his breath afterwards, you know, like as the guy was out of ear shot. So, you know,

409
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:32,680
cause there's so many, especially with parenting and stuff, there's so many, like you, I hesitate

410
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:37,320
to call them do-gooders, but they think they're helping with their advice, but they're really,

411
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,840
you know, it's like, come on, you don't know what you're talking about. Even if you have kids,

412
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,320
like every kid is different in certain ways. So, and every parenting style is different too. So

413
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I feel like kind of the overarching message was, you know, these people are here and yes,

414
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:55,080
they're ridiculous, but you don't have to let them get under your skin. Right. You can't let them get

415
00:37:55,080 --> 00:38:01,080
under your skin, even though they're obnoxious. You fall right into their game. You know,

416
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,560
right. They want to be the victim. You know, that's like, they had a meeting where there was a white

417
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,720
guy that said, I can't believe that this meeting is being dominated by two white men. And the guy's

418
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:16,440
like, aren't you a fucking white man? He's like, my DNA results say I'm 3%, whatever the hell it was,

419
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:23,480
Sri Lankan. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, what? That was like the Elizabeth Warren thing. Like, yeah,

420
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,760
I'm 1% Native American. Yeah. And then they ended up, they were going to go to Vegas,

421
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,880
him and his two buddies. And, uh, well, the one guy's name was what Mike or something, the black

422
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:39,320
guy, Mike, the black guy was Mike. And then he got like an alter ego in the strip club joint,

423
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,160
but they didn't make it to Vegas because they're old and they were like, we just got to drink and

424
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,760
like gamble strip club stuff. Yeah. Which they did. And that's what I met up with the, uh, the serial

425
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,560
entrepreneur again. And he was there because he got fired from his thing for being cultural and

426
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:59,080
sensitivity to native Americans. Yes. Yep. Because, uh, the spirit animal, yeah. Cause that's the,

427
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,800
they wanted this guy, this white guy, old white guy who's like a roamer around the southwest

428
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,600
desert or something. Yeah. He's like a trapper hobo type character. Yeah. To be the face of the

429
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,520
new spirit animal line. And then he's like, Oh, I didn't realize that was offensive to native

430
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:17,880
Americans. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was, uh, now I don't know who the black guy, like what he did

431
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:24,760
before, but the other guy who had the crazy wife, he was the boyfriend of great, of a will on

432
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,640
willing grace. He was the boyfriend who was the cop. Yeah. He was also, uh, one of our favorite

433
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:36,120
characters in boardwalk empire. He played a 1920s like gangster. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. But I guess

434
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:41,880
he does stand up to that guy. Oh, okay. To moderate success, but I've never seen any of his standup.

435
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,120
I've only seen him in boardwalk empire and other roles are like, Oh yeah, it's that guy from

436
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,760
boardwalk empire. Yep. Yeah. He was a regular cast member on willing grace back in the day. Okay.

437
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:56,280
Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I thought it was, I don't know, I'll, I'll run it past you. Bilber's wife is in the

438
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,160
entertainment industry and she's a producer, but she's also done some acting. And I thought it was

439
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:07,640
kind of a miss since the wife wasn't there in every scene that they could have had Nia, his wife as

440
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:13,480
his actual wife in the film. Yeah. I thought that was a miss because they did have some controversy

441
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,600
a couple of years ago. Bilber got himself in controversy because he said some negative things

442
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:25,080
about some people that were attacking his wife. But he didn't walk up on the, he didn't walk up

443
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:31,640
on the Oscar stage and slap somebody, did he? No. Uh, some activists said that he used his wife and

444
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:39,720
child as a black shield to be a secret racist or something. And he's like, yeah, he's like, you can

445
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:51,480
go fuck yourself. So he was not impressed with that line of reasoning. Yes. Yes. Shocking. I know.

446
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,480
Yeah. It's shocking that he would call it out exactly how he sees it.

447
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:03,960
Yeah. That's kind of his shtick, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I got upset because he was in Mandalorian

448
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:10,040
and that a female MMA was in the Mandalorian and I thought their characters were great. And then she

449
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,040
made some comment, can't even remember what it was. And she was fired from the Mandalorian.

450
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,200
Like they made a big thing like Disney fires, whatever her name was, you know, for these

451
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:23,640
comments. And it's like, Oh, okay. But you know, it's the same when they fired directors for tweets

452
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:32,040
from 2001. Right. I don't even remember. You have to understand like the cultural humor level

453
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:38,680
of our society has gone drastically down. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, the shock comedy

454
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:46,680
of the early 2000s was intentionally offensive. Like that was the point. American Pie was supposed

455
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:52,440
to offend your sensibilities. And that's why it was funny, you know, at the time, which, uh, or like,

456
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,160
uh, Oh, what the hell is the one with Robert Downey Jr. Iron Man? No, I don't know. The comedy

457
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:04,520
movie. Yeah. Um, Tropic Thunder. Tropic Thunder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't, I don't know,

458
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:10,680
you know, like some of this stuff like idiocracy and the phrases and words and names they call

459
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:17,320
each other is done. It's done not just to shock, but there's a point, you know, something. And

460
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,960
I think if you're not shocked, even if it's not an offensive shock, but if you're not shocked,

461
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:30,440
like it doesn't cause you to evaluate society or why, why can someone vape in a, at a music venue,

462
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,640
but I can't bring in a cigar and lighter to the music venue, but somebody can vape and I can smell

463
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:40,440
cotton candy, the whole performance. You know what I mean? Right. Which is putting just glycerin and

464
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:47,720
whatever is in it. It's not regulated by the FDA. So we really don't know what's in it. Right. So

465
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:53,560
I mean, you know, and so if you don't have some of these shocks, it doesn't cause you to evaluate

466
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,600
your life or society. Not that every movie needs to do that, but the good movies give you something

467
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,000
to think about, even if you don't agree with it. Right. And I thought the movie with Aspen coming

468
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:08,920
back, they did a really good job showing, not necessarily talking about, but showing that like

469
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:15,800
culture of silence that people have around the woke ism. Because if you disagree with the woke ism,

470
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:22,680
like at your workplace or at an event, you have to keep quiet and you can talk about it in hushed

471
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:28,040
tones. And that's acceptable as long as nobody else can hear you, you know, because then they'll

472
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,920
report you, even though they might think the same thing, they get street cred for reporting you,

473
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:39,880
you know, and it's very much that like a Soviet style system where you self-censor, right? You

474
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:46,920
know that you have to self-censor. Yeah. And if you're in a discussion, and even if you're right,

475
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:54,040
you're not right in the eyes of HR or the management or whatever, you know, I mean,

476
00:43:54,040 --> 00:44:00,600
it's a very kind of on the nose movie, Old Dads for the time that it was made being 2023. Right.

477
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,600
And I mean, like I say, I don't even disagree with a lot of the themes. Obviously,

478
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:10,920
Bilbo was doing the Bilbo character, which is, yeah, he's watched a lot of red interviews with

479
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:16,200
it with him. And he like takes what he thinks. And then he tries to amp it up like he's his

480
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:22,600
drunk dad. Yeah. Right. Like he's trying. He amps it up past what his normal limit is. And they

481
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,000
talked about him going to therapy, which he does. He's a big advocate of people going to therapy

482
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,360
who have anger issues, which he does, you know. Yeah. But he's also aware of it. Yeah. I didn't

483
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,560
get the sense that this was like some like anti woke anthem. No, no, I don't think that was the

484
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:42,120
message. And, you know, but that's kind of what people thought of when they saw, well, Bilbo is

485
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:47,400
making a movie to, you know, combat the wokeness in Hollywood. And I'm like, I don't think that's

486
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:52,360
really what it is. But it's, you know, definitely appealing to those people in the audience or those

487
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:59,560
people in the country or in the world that, you know, aren't necessarily all rah rah for a lot of

488
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,520
the woke things that are going on. Right. I mean, you could read into stuff what you want largely.

489
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:10,040
It's not as ambiguous as Barbie was obviously, but I actually discussed the Barbie movie last

490
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,920
night with Al, friend of the show. Al, he hadn't watched it yet. And he was like, I don't know if

491
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,640
I want to watch it. I'm like, dude, it's possibly the best movie of 2023. Like I really liked it.

492
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:25,720
I thought it was great. And he suggested that I watch the second Doctor Who special because

493
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:30,680
I did not like the first one, but he said the second one's a lot better. I saw the clip. I saw

494
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:37,800
a clip from the from the first one and I was like, I can't, I can't do it. Well, I quit watching.

495
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,120
I think we talked about this, Mike. I think I quit watching shortly after that Rosa Parks episode.

496
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:47,560
Oh yeah. See, I watched the whole season, but that Rosa Park episode like totally soured my gut.

497
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:53,480
I was like, this is ridiculous. And then even for her Doctor Who. Yeah. And I think it was when they

498
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:58,760
were like, yup. So she was the original Time Lord, but not even really a Time Lord. She's a different

499
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:04,520
species than everybody else. And the Time Lords like genes manipulated her to get the regens like

500
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:10,840
she had and blah, blah, blah. And then basically retconned the entire Matt Smith storylines. And

501
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,480
I was like, okay, I'm kind of out. Like, you know, I never watched the timeless children,

502
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,920
but I didn't want to. I heard about it. I'm like, I mean, Doctor Who kind of plays a little loosey

503
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,920
goosey with that because it's been running for so long, you know, so not everything. They have their

504
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,440
own little goofs or inaccuracies with their own timelines and stuff. But that one with Jodie

505
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:37,560
Whitaker was basically retconning some of the best Matt Smith episodes. So. Right. Well, they retconned

506
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:44,760
the Dr. Donna storyline in the new special. And my biggest issue with it was that they took 10 to 15

507
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:51,160
minutes of screen time and they put it solely towards political messaging instead of story development.

508
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:56,120
Yeah. You know, and you just can't do that. Make a good TV show. You know, yeah, we talked about

509
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:01,960
that too. And that's not what they were doing in a Soka, but you know, if you've got a set runtime

510
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,520
or, you know, runtime you're aiming for, especially in TV shows and you can get away with it with,

511
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,160
you know, one partners and two partners and stuff like that, but you really can't be devoting a

512
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:18,520
large chunk of your runtime percentage wise to just flat out political messaging, regardless of what

513
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:24,040
side you're trying to message to, you know what I mean? And the one thing, not the one thing,

514
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:29,160
there's a lot of things I learned in film school, but you know, it's the show don't tell. So whatever

515
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:35,240
your big, whatever your big like rah rah thing is, can you find a way to show it instead of having

516
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:39,400
some character like just speak it? You know what I mean? It's the same with like PowerPoint

517
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:45,240
presentations at work. Don't write all of your text on the fucking slide, put some pictures and

518
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:50,280
images, and then you could read the words off of the notes section so people don't have to read

519
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,920
with you. You know, like you're not putting up, it's a slide. It's not a page out of a book or

520
00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:00,280
your notebook. Like you can put pictures. It's okay. Right. Yeah. It's a, yeah, it's just bad

521
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:06,680
structure, right? So bad storytelling, bad storytelling. Soka felt to me like every episode

522
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:13,160
was like the bummer episode or like the slow episode in a series that is like eight years long,

523
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:18,360
right? Like you could have eight slow episodes in eight years, but you can't have every episode be

524
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:23,560
that way in one year. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the first, the first three or four episodes felt like, okay,

525
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:28,840
we know we're doing eight episodes. We've really only got ideas for four episodes. So let's just

526
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:34,200
stretch out the first episode into four episodes and then we've got the other four already written.

527
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:39,400
So we're good to go. Right. You know what I mean? Like it was like filling time is what they were

528
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,520
doing and not really getting much done in the way of storytelling or character development or anything

529
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:49,080
like that. And I think they might've fallen into the trap of like, well, this is the first, I mean,

530
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,080
it's not the first time because Soka made appearances in Mandalorian, but it's like, hey,

531
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:58,440
we're seeing some of these rebels characters in real life for the first time. So they kind of got

532
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,120
a little carried away with that, I think, you know, and caught up in that and like, well, we can,

533
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,240
we can take the time because everyone's going to love seeing these characters in live action.

534
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:10,040
Yeah. And they're attractive and people are going to be enamored with that. You know? Yeah. They

535
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:15,080
really, really use that to their advantage. Like Sabine was played by an attractive actress and

536
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:21,080
Hera was played by an attractive actress and, you know, Rosario Dawson is an attractive actress. So

537
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:26,360
they can just have them on screen and people will not say anything. Yeah. You know, I wanted more

538
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:33,800
of the Sith, not Sith lady. Oh, the Ukrainian supermodel. Yeah. Everybody was all fawning

539
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,280
over like Sabine and Ahsoka. And I'm like, I could go for more of the blonde Sith. Like that's fine

540
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:44,680
with me. I don't want to be thinking about that when I'm watching a Star Wars show. Yeah. That's

541
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:49,080
my thing. Well, you know, Dave, if you're taking notes for anything in the future with these

542
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:55,800
characters, that's my note. But old dads, there's not a lot to say about old dads. It's very simple.

543
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:01,080
It's yeah, it's a simple comedy movie. It's fine. I wouldn't say it's like the greatest movie of all time.

544
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:06,840
No, it did have a bowling alley. Yeah. Yeah. A bowling alley. So. And maybe watching it a second

545
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,520
time, I'd like it a little bit more because I kind of know what to expect now going into it.

546
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:15,400
Because it wasn't really, the only thing I knew really about going into it was it was kind of on

547
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:22,200
the anti-woke spectrum of woke, not woke. And it was Bill Burr. So knowing that Bill Burr wrote it or,

548
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:27,000
you know, was even in it, you just kind of know it's going to be somewhat offensive in some parts.

549
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:32,600
Right. I mean, it was, if I were to break it down very simply, the first half is Bill Burr doing a

550
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:38,760
series of Bill Burr skits in the real world. Yeah. And then the consequences of his negative

551
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:44,040
behavior build up to the point where there's a massive breakdown. And then there's like a

552
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:50,600
couple of moments of epiphany where he's like rock bottom. And then he tries to correct his negative

553
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:56,440
behavior and survive in this world that he's a foreigner in. Yes. You know, and it's not like

554
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:03,320
the anti-woke up yours mentality. It's like, we have to survive in this world. So accommodations

555
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:09,080
are going to have to be made on my part to like not crash and burn. You know? Yeah. And I guess

556
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:14,680
it's almost a little bit like the Cowboys with John Wayne, where he's, you know, or even the

557
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,320
shootist, right? Where he's older and then the Cowboys, he can't get any hands to work for him.

558
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,880
So he takes all these, I don't know, like high school aged kids, like really young kids out

559
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,920
on this cattle drive, but he's the old guy, you know? And then the shootist, he's an age,

560
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,960
he's a gunfighter, but they've got electricity in all the saloons and all the towns and automobiles

561
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:39,560
and nobody rides horses anymore. And so it's kind of like coming to terms with aging out of kind of

562
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,920
being relevant in society. Oh, sure. I would say, you know, and that's a very relevant conversation.

563
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:51,800
Like we started watching Winona Earp, which is like a Canadian sci-fi series. And so I was doing

564
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,600
the back reading, you know, and I like all these characters from the Wild West. Everybody does.

565
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:01,800
And I have older parents, so I watched a lot of Westerns and like all those old gunslingers lived

566
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:07,080
into the modern age that survived, right? Yeah. White Earp died in the 30s. Yeah. I mean, if you

567
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,480
think about it, like the Wild West was, I don't know, like an eight year span, like it was not

568
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:16,040
a long, like everyone thinks it was, you know, a long period of time, but it really wasn't.

569
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:25,640
In the kindest possible interpretation, it was 1868 to 1898. So at most 30 years, but not really.

570
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,920
People think it was like a hundred years worth of time, but it wasn't because, you know, technology

571
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:38,760
was advancing so fast with your refrigerated cars for beef and cattle and, you know, expansion and

572
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:44,600
progress and all that stuff. So yeah, White Earp's ride was like a month. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's

573
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,240
progress. That's exactly why it died off as these guys went out there and like were crazy. And then

574
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:56,520
the railroad came through and then they couldn't be crazy anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Like I found it

575
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:01,960
very interesting. The big nose Kate was a pauper. She died a pauper in like Arizona, apparently

576
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:06,920
built housing for the miners and all these like Western frontiersmen that couldn't survive in

577
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:14,120
modern society. And she lived till 1940. Wow. Yeah. So, I mean, and a lot of these characters,

578
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:21,800
they just couldn't adapt to post frontier life, you know? Yeah. So, well, I remember we went to

579
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:29,400
a little bighorn Custer's last stand and there, one of the tour guides said that one of the people

580
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:37,560
that survived the battle was then flown out in a plane to see the site of the massacre again. So,

581
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:42,680
can you imagine you're riding horses out and fighting off Native Americans and then later

582
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,280
in life, they're like, hey, how about this plane? Let's go look, show us around the battlefield.

583
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:53,240
You know, like just technology moving that fast, you know, or things. So, oh, sure. Like if you

584
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:57,240
were born theoretically at the right time, you lived a long life. You could have remembered

585
00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:03,000
the Civil War and World War II. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And there's a big difference between level

586
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:09,400
technology. Yeah. And battle styles and all that stuff. Well, I put my cigar down because my

587
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,880
fingers are burning, but I liked it. I like it as well. I still have like an inch and a half left.

588
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:19,480
Okay. That must have been the, uh, idiocracy episode that got me. Yeah. Well, you were doing

589
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:25,000
a little bit more talking, which is fine with me. So. Absolutely. Oh, uh, this is our episode right

590
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,280
before Christmas. Oh, Merry Christmas, everybody. Merry Christmas or happy holidays, uh, whatever,

591
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:35,960
whether you celebrate or don't celebrate, secular or religious. I hope that you have a good time

592
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:42,120
with your family. I agree. I agree. I was going to say I, uh, I always follow the war on Christmas

593
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,840
because it's like a narrative in right-wing circles. So I think it's hilarious. So in the United

594
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:54,920
States, 94% of the population actively celebrates Christmas, uh, which means 6% don't. Yeah.

595
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:59,800
But that doesn't mean that they, uh, get all spun up about the birth of Jesus and the religious

596
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:06,040
reasons. But as a, as a society, as an American culture, we all celebrate Christmas, even if

597
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:12,120
we're agnostic or atheist, right? Here we, here we go with the stats, right? Okay. Yes. So 94%

598
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:20,040
of the country actively celebrates Christmas, but only 67% of the country is quote unquote Christian

599
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:25,160
and half of them are non-active participants in Christianity. Like they're Christians in name

600
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:30,520
only, right? They're not, they might never go to church like literally. They identify as, but they

601
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:37,320
are not active. Right. And then of the 6% that don't celebrate Christmas, a lot of them are the

602
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,960
Christian people, because a lot of Christians don't actually celebrate Christmas. They think it's pagan,

603
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:46,040
you know, the hardcore fundamentalist Christians a lot of times don't celebrate Christmas.

604
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:52,280
Yeah. Uh, so it's, it's largely a secular holiday, uh, which why I get a kick so much out of like the

605
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:57,640
war on Christmas narrative, because it clearly the people who are the most against Christmas are the

606
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:04,360
most hardcore Christians in this country. You know, it's like, who does it celebrate? I mean,

607
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:09,160
I have a fucking Christmas tree in my living room right now and Sarah's an atheist and she insists

608
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:16,760
on having it, you know? So it's always interesting. You know, I mean, the corporatocracy loves

609
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,840
Christmas. Like they would never have a war on Christmas because they love selling all their

610
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:26,920
stuff and people buy stuff. So no, they just want to complain about the year's new Christmas ornaments

611
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,880
that don't necessarily support or the new Starbucks Christmas holiday cup, you know,

612
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:38,760
you know, a few years ago. Remember? Yeah, I do remember. I do remember, uh, this year,

613
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:45,000
uh, one that hit my radar was, uh, a Santa Claus that was black and in a wheelchair and people were,

614
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,000
we made it to Fox news. Like they were really bad about it. So why would you even, why would you,

615
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:55,960
why do you care about, uh, a Christmas ornaments made up a completely made up entity? Yeah. It's a

616
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:00,920
Christmas ornament that you don't have to buy that other people want to buy. I buy all kinds of

617
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:07,560
Christmas ornaments. Yeah. You know, I mean, like I have a cigar. And why can't Santa Claus be black

618
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,720
or in a wheelchair? Like who cares? He flies around a magic reindeer dust. It doesn't matter.

619
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,600
It literally doesn't matter. As far as I know, he's still wearing the red suit, you know,

620
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:22,440
what's the difference? You don't have to buy it. If you can get on board with Tim Allen,

621
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:27,560
assuming the mantle of Santa Claus, like nothing else should bother you, you know, like every,

622
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:32,680
and that's one of the coolest things is, uh, my parents had a, they were little ceramic Santas.

623
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:38,040
Yeah. It was from each different country. And so the different Santa outfits, like somewhere in

624
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:42,840
green outfits, some had, you know, long pointy stick up hats and some had the floppy kind of

625
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:49,880
red hat. Some were more maroon. They had different, you know, bags or accouterments on their suits.

626
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:55,000
And it was just kind of a nice, like through the different, they're mostly European countries,

627
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:01,800
you know, Christmases and USA and stuff. But Christmas is originally a European, uh, holiday

628
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:07,960
that has long roots before Christianity. Oh, and Santa Claus wasn't in the Bible. I don't

629
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:16,280
think, unless I missed that chapter. I think he was with the Easter bunny. He was in the same

630
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,880
chapter with the Easter bunny and the dinosaurs, right? Yeah. Yeah.

631
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:26,280
Yeah. I always get, like I say, this year it made it to my radar that they were, uh,

632
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:31,000
it made it to the news again that they came up with some nutcrackers that had some colorful garb

633
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:36,040
instead of like the traditional red. They had like purple or whatever. Why do you even care?

634
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:42,200
Who cares? Yeah. Does it matter that there's a nutcracker out there with a different colored

635
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:47,080
shirt? Like, you don't have to buy it. They don't have any problem when the nutcracker is

636
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:53,000
dressed in your football team's Jersey, right? They sell those. Nobody gets up in arms about that.

637
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,160
Yeah. Why would you? It's, uh, who cares? It's a nutcracker. Yeah. It's a big deal.

638
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:05,320
Like it doesn't matter. Does it? Yeah. It's not like race swapping Isaac Newton. Well, yeah,

639
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:11,880
that's where it starts to get sticky or a anvil in, or, I mean, if you have like real historical

640
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,880
people, then it's different. If you have made up people, it doesn't really matter. Like

641
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:20,680
as long as you're true to the source of the made up stuff, like Ariel, the little mermaid being

642
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:26,760
black, who cares? It's a mermaid. Right. It's irrelevant. I mean, in the original cartoon,

643
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:31,880
you know, there's seven daughters of, uh, King Triton or whatever, because of the seven seas.

644
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,680
So each mermaid reflects a separate sea and Ariel reflected the red sea or whatever. So it makes

645
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,840
sense that she has red hair. It would make more sense if she was Semitic. Yeah. If you know,

646
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:46,520
if you know, the red sea is in, uh, the middle East, you know, or the Africa middle East area,

647
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,280
you know, she could be Ethiopian. Yeah. Whatever countries, I don't even know what countries are

648
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,760
on the red seas. So I apologize for my lack of geography. Yeah. The point is it doesn't matter.

649
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:59,640
I mean, they're made up characters, right? You know, made up fictional things like the Easter

650
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,640
bunny. Does the Easter bunny have to be white, a white rabbit? Can it be a brown rabbit? Can it be

651
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:08,600
a gray rabbit? Right. It doesn't matter. You get upset about, is it a floppy eared bunny or is it

652
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,920
a pointy ear bunny or come on? Like, what are we doing? It's a fictional thing. It's made up.

653
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:18,680
It's a fictional story that has evolved over time and it's going to continue to evolve over time.

654
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:25,000
Yeah. And, uh, you know, uh, Coca-Cola does not own Santa Claus. I, you know, like,

655
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:32,840
they own the Coca-Cola polar bears, but right. Yeah. It's ridiculous. And I enjoy it. That's,

656
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,920
I love it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, everybody, I hope you have a Merry Christmas

657
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:42,200
and a happy new year and all that sort of stuff. Merry Christmas, happy holidays. Even if you don't

658
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,840
celebrate anything this time of year, it's still close to the end of the calendar year. You'll

659
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:51,480
probably be spending some time with family with the time off of work. So enjoy that time with

660
01:00:51,480 --> 01:01:07,320
your families. Be safe. Have fun. Thanks for listening.