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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Mike.

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And I'm Nate.

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What are we smoking today, Mike?

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We are smoking an Oldova Series Zero or O. Probably O.

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Probably O.

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Series O. The cap tasted a little better than the last one.

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Okay.

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It's a little darker.

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It's not a Connecticut, it's a Cameroon.

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These are all Robusto sizes, so we're back to the preferred size.

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I'm doing a V cut.

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Me as well, and the cap does taste better.

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It's a little sweet.

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Medium bodied and sweet in my opinion.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it is a bit sweet.

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I like it.

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So far.

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So far anyway.

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Initial impression.

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Who are you pairing it with?

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I am pairing it with, surprise, surprise, Estella Artois.

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There we go.

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Well, I'm mixing it up.

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I'm doing a Johnny Walker Black and a Michelob Ultra.

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Hey, there you go.

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Yeah.

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So I figured after the last one, I was like, oh, maybe a shitty light beer will do the

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trick.

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We'll see.

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I mean, you know, I usually drink the IPAs and, you know, high ABVs.

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And I just kind of felt, ah, let's just, you know, take it a little easy.

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We've got, I don't know that this episode is going to be as controversial as our last

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episode and the stuff that we're talking about, but there is definitely some controversy adjacent

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to what we're talking about this episode.

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So yeah, this is like the dark, uh, double episode here.

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It's very dark.

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I would say that content wise, this is a lot more darker.

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Less controversial, but darker.

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Yeah.

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So what are we talking about this episode, Mike?

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We are going to talk about the Sound of Freedom, which is apparently a very controversial movie

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that came out over the summer.

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Yup.

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And it made a ton of money.

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Did you bring up the box office?

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No, but I know that they did a big campaign of pay it forward.

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So people, they would get people to go see it in theaters and they would say, you know,

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if you like the movie, buy a ticket for somebody else.

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And so they kind of cultivated this community of people who liked the movie, I guess.

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Yes.

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Uh, let's see.

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I'm looking at box office, trying to find it.

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It made $238.5 million.

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There you go.

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Against a 14 and a half million dollar budget.

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So it was a very successful film.

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Yes.

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And I had wanted to see it even before like the controversy came out, I guess.

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But my dad, we were spending time with him a while back and he said, have you guys seen

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Sound of Freedom yet?

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It's an excellent movie.

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And I guess we're going to do a movie review and then we're going to kind of get into some

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of the controversy surrounding it, I suppose.

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Sure.

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Plot synopsis.

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I will, I will do the plot synopsis because I, I initially heard it was a vigilante superhero

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movie.

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Uh, you know, people were criticizing it.

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And so I didn't know what to expect going into it.

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It's based kind of on a true story.

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It is a cop drama based loosely on a true story surrounding human trafficking in South

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and Central America to the United States.

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Uh, child sex trafficking.

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Mostly child sex trafficking.

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Yes.

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It reminded me of Black Rain, which is from the 80s.

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Have you ever seen that movie?

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Uh, Nate?

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Uh, I don't think I've seen that one yet.

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I know it's on my watch list.

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It's a cop drama with an American cop in Japan surrounding the Yakuza.

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And this is a cop drama with an American cop in Central and South America.

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Uh, so it's similar themes, you know, it reminds me of like the cop dramas with the T word

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involved made in the two thousands, the earlier two thousands, you know, uh, it's perfectly

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adequate.

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The acting is good.

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The casting is good.

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The, uh, script was fine.

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It's a perfectly adequate blockbuster ish style drama, cop drama.

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Um, so you wanted to do, do you want to do the, the plot synopsis then?

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Or is that your plot synopsis?

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That's my plot synopsis.

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I mean, we'll get into the details as we go, but I wanted to open it up.

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It is not a superhero movie.

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It is not a political movie.

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It's a cop drama movie with child trafficking as the crux and it's half Spanish.

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So you got to turn the subtitles on, you know, and it's perfectly adequate.

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It's yeah, I guess, uh, off, off the bat, my dad was like, it's an excellent film.

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Well, I gave it a six out of 10.

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It's fine.

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Uh, I guess if you want, if you want, if you want this movie, just watch taken just the

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first one.

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It's, it's shorter runtime, much more action and, uh, it doesn't, uh, doesn't have weird

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overt religious overtones.

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But basically this movie is based on Tim Ballard's career, uh, loosely because so he works for,

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I think, uh, the department of Homeland security.

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He rescues one child who has a sister that's still in captivity, I guess is what you would

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call it or something.

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And so he then quits his job to go and just spend time down in South Central America somewhere

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looking for the sister.

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And then that's kind of it.

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And the, the true story is Tim Ballard never left American soil to go and mano, Imano fight

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a sex trafficking, Kingpin, fisticuff style to rescue a little girl.

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It's a Hollywood ization of a true story.

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I do not have any problem with that.

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Oh no, I don't, I don't have any problem with it either, except that people, some people

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were saying, well, he really did quit his job and he really went down there and saved

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her.

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Uh, he did not though.

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It's some copium.

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I like blood sport.

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I don't think that Frank Dukes actually went and fought in the Cuma.

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But at the movie is perfectly adequate.

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You, you and I know, you and I know.

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So you know, I think it's, it's fine as how it goes is, is, is a decent movie and you

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might like it more if let's say you are Christian because there's a scene and I always thought

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this person was you Mike, because he always had a cigar in his mouth.

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When he goes down to, goes down to South America and he meets this person who did time and

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was part of a gang or something.

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I don't know.

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And then now he's buying kids to set them free.

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So he's kind of the Oscar Schindler of this movie.

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And I guess the, the, the, that was kind of one of the first scenes where I was like,

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okay, the writing is a little, little off because well, one, Edmund Dantes, I'm sorry,

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Jim cavies, cavies.

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I don't know.

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What the fuck Edmund Dantes.

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He's down there somehow.

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No, he, he plays Tim Ballard and he's like, Oh, I, Hey wife, whatever his wife's name

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was, I guess here on the credits, it was Catherine or something, but he's like, Hey wife, I, I'm

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going to go down and I got to go save this, this kid.

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And she's like, that sounds great.

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And so he does.

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And I'm like, that's not how that conversation would have gone ever.

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There's not a, there's not a relationship on the planet that that conversation would

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be that.

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You know what I mean?

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So it was highly unrealistic.

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And then he's like sending his wife like a text message from a tent in the middle of

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bum fuck nowhere.

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One, you're not going to have cell reception.

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Well, the satellite phone, it's a satellite phone.

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Fine.

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And so the two, like her response was, I feel like she's our daughter.

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And they did that a lot.

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That was a very common trope in this film was what if it was your child?

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And then that, that overrode all logic in the movie, right?

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That was the, that was the Trump card in this movie was what if it was your child?

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Don't get me wrong.

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It was a Hollywood cop drama.

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Hollywood sex trafficking is terrible.

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And I was uncomfortable for a good portion of, of at least the very beginning when they

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were getting into all that stuff.

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And that one guy played a really good creepy sex trafficking person.

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I thought he was over the top.

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I thought he was over the top.

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Weird Al Yankovic, but creepy was.

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Oh yeah.

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Daniel Radcliffe discount.

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Daniel Radcliffe only cause he played weird Al in the movie.

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The scene that really kind of took me out of it was the older version of Mike was down

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there sitting on the table smoking his cigar and Edmond Dantes sat down.

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It was like, I gotta go find this kid.

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And older Mike was saying, well, why?

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And Edmond Dantes was saying, well, I don't like child sex trafficking and I want to save

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her and her brother and all this.

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And the other guy, I guess his name is vampiro says, that's not, that's not the real reason.

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Tell me the real reason.

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And Edmond Dantes, Edmond Dantes goes, God's children are not for sale.

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You know, and then there was like 13 hallelujahs and stuff from the church.

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I didn't think it was that over the top.

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I'm not as sensitive to that as you were.

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And that's true, but it's kind of one of those things where it's like, what, if, if reuniting

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siblings isn't a good enough reason, then why is God's children not for sale?

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A better reason.

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I took it less as like a religious to overtone and more of like a fanatic, but he was like

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a fanatic, a fanatic anti-sex trafficker, right?

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Which is not a bad thing to be.

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No, I'm not saying it's a bad thing to be.

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You could take it in that way.

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So you could take it is that vampiro didn't want Tim Ballard to do this only for one child

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because vampiro knew how many children were in captivity, right?

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So he wanted to make sure that Tim was not just going to stop after rescuing this one

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child.

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But I don't, I don't see why you couldn't say something along the lines of I quit my

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job so I could come and rescue children on the ground here in your country.

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Why wouldn't that have been as, as good or why were all of his other reasons not valid?

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You know what I mean?

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Like if you would have said something like you want to, you want to reunite the, the

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brother and sister and what else, you know, no child is for sale or, you know, even the,

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even the same line, but it just, it kind of came off as like, well, that's not quite a

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valid reason either, but if that's the one you're going to accept, I guess the movie's

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got a movie.

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You know what I mean?

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Well, I think it was supposed to be a more bad ass line to hit with the, the movie going

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public.

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But it, you know, and that's part of the thing is you put these lines in and you want it

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to be as iconic as I'll be back or, you know, 1.21 gigawatts or anything.

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You know what I mean?

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It just, it felt, in my mind, it felt a little forced, but also I kind of knew that Jim said

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his greatest honor in life was portraying Jesus and Mel Gibson's anti-Jewish film, The

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Passion of Christ.

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I never watched it.

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That's probably never watched it.

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So, you know, it was just some of that stuff where it's like the relationship between Tim

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Ballard and his wife in this film felt like she was always a thousand percent behind him.

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And I guess I appreciate not bogging down a slightly over two hour long movie with household

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domestic drama, but it kind of took away from some of the realism.

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I did not consider the film to be super realistic.

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I, well, and I'm not saying it's super.

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I'm just saying, you know, this is probably just another natism, right?

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Like the, the, the training room having the dining room table in the floor and the caramel

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apple salesman in Hocus Pocus 2.

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It's just one of those things where it kind of broke the reality of the film.

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Like I'm fine with films setting up their own reality, but if you're not going to have

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the wife put up any fuss, and I know Tim Ballard in real life has like nine kids, two of them

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are adopted or something, but still that's a fuck ton of kids.

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Oh, and they showed that he had like a brood.

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He had a fucking hockey team.

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Oh yeah, for sure.

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But I mean, if you're not going to have the wife put up any kind of fuss whatsoever, don't

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even include those scenes then.

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You know what I mean?

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It's just, it just adds runtime for no, for no reason, or just do it once and say, Oh

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yep, this is going to put a strain on our family, but you know what?

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This is important to me too.

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I'll figure it out.

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And then that's it.

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We never have to see her again.

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We don't need the text messages.

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We don't need to, we don't need to be constantly reminded.

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He's a family man.

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He's got nine kids for fuck's sake.

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We know he's a family man.

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Right.

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No, I, yeah.

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I thought it was perfectly adequate.

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It grossed more than Indiana Jones.

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Yeah, I don't, it's better than Indiana Jones, honestly.

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I haven't watched Indiana Jones, but I mean, having watched Barbie, it's not as good as

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Barbie, but it's better than most everything else I've seen this year.

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That's new, better than a Soca.

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Oh God.

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I took a dump the other day.

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That was better than a Soca.

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So it's worth a watch if you want to watch a cop drama about sex trafficking, which is

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depressing and uncomfortable at times for sure.

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At least the beginning part of the movie for sure.

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Yeah.

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Especially when they're pulling out like the files and things and I still couldn't get

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over the fact that that dad brought his two kids to this like dance or beauty competition

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thing in this fucking runaway hotel.

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Yeah.

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And the woman was like, oh no, you can come back at seven tonight and pick them up.

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And then he just like, ah, okay.

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And left.

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Right.

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And it's like, well, that's the number one way to get your kids in sex trafficking is

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to just leave them with some random person in a hotel room.

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Right.

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Places that you're not even in a conference room of the hotel is a hotel room.

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Yes.

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I did like that.

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They spliced in images of children being taken or videos.

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I shouldn't say I liked that.

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No, that's not the right way to put it.

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It was, it was effective.

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It was very effective.

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And then at the end of the movie, they showed images from the raids and videos from the

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raids that they showed in the film.

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I liked that.

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I was like, again, I don't like it, but it was very effective and it was impactful to

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the story.

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That was, that was some good filmmaking.

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Disturbing.

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I didn't, I didn't think the, yes, I didn't think the script was the greatest script of

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all time.

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I didn't think the acting was the greatest acting of all time.

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There are definitely tens of moments, but it's, I don't think it's going to stand up

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against other, other films in terms of becoming a classic or, you know, it's not, it's not

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going to be a classic.

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You know, it's better than guardians of the galaxy three.

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It's better than ant man.

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You know, it's better than a lot of the movies that are coming out.

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Modern.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Significantly better.

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I mean, it's, I watched the whole thing and I was focused on it 100% the whole time.

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I was too.

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Like I said, there was just a couple of scenes where I was like, Oh, that was kind of, you

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know, jarring in terms of kind of popping me out of the realism that this movie is trying

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to set up because they've got the very dark and gritty child sex trafficking.

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And then they cut to like super supportive wife who has no qualms about, Oh, you're not

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going to have a pension.

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You're just going to go down to South America.

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Hey, that's cool.

324
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Like when are you going to be back?

325
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You don't know.

326
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Hey, that's fine with me too.

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Whatever.

328
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I can totally watch nine kids.

329
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Not a big deal.

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Go for it.

331
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Like it's a hyper irresponsible, highly dangerous action that you're about to do.

332
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Yeah.

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Like she never once said, well, what if you die?

334
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Like what if you die, you know, as he's going and sneaking into the, what the gang lords

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base camp and they all have automatic weapons and they're the most inept people on the planet

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because they're all drunk and sleeping all the time.

337
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But you know, right.

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So there were, there were some things where I was just kind of like, ah, but by and large

339
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it's a, it's a, it's a decent film.

340
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Yeah.

341
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I don't think there's anything controversial in the film.

342
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It's not overly political.

343
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I didn't see anything political in it.

344
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Really.

345
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It's not like they were, they were pointing the finger at rich Americans, but they didn't

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point the finger at any particular rich American.

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And they basically just pointed out the root of the problem.

348
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I mean, I think, I think in the movie they only pointed out kind of these wealthy people

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that like to buy kids and they, they happened to mention in passing that one of the biggest

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importers was LA in a list of other cities, right?

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That weren't in America.

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That was the only American city they mentioned.

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LA makes sense because it's a border town or close enough to the border to be kind of

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a hub.

355
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Yeah.

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So I didn't feel like it was overtly anything in that sense.

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It wasn't saying, and this might be where we get into some of the controversy around

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the people involved in making the film, but it wasn't, it wasn't the movie itself was

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not spouting any conspiracy theories whatsoever.

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It seemed to be fairly fact driven outside of, you know, the, the regular Hollywood embellishments

361
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on Tim Ballard did not really go down and punch out a gang leader to save a child.

362
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Yeah, it is typical fantasy elements.

363
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And he even came out and said that never happened and they, they took it and embellished it.

364
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So he's not even trying to, you know, he's trying to downplay how good the movie makes

365
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him look, I guess.

366
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Yeah.

367
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It's a, it's a move.

368
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It's a movie.

369
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It's, it's not a, a biography.

370
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Yeah.

371
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It's not a documentary.

372
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It's not a documentary.

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It's supposed to be exciting and it was engaging and entertaining.

374
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So yeah, disturbing at times.

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I was a huge fan of the musical score throughout the thing.

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I didn't even notice the music.

377
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Yeah.

378
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I mean, it was largely forgettable, but it had a lot of those kind of like ooh and ah,

379
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kind of like him choruses, which I, you know, I'm sure they did for a reason, but that's

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a low budget movie.

381
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Well, well, Tim Ballard, Tim Ballard's a Mormon.

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So they probably got the Mormon Tabernacle choir or some shit to do it.

383
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Who knows?

384
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But right.

385
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And Mormonism is not at all implicated in child sex, drug or anything like that.

386
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Right.

387
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Not according to the film.

388
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Right.

389
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So the controversies, tell me if when I'm wrong.

390
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Well, okay.

391
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Yeah.

392
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Tell me when I'm wrong.

393
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Jim Caviezel is a controversial political character.

394
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He is a Q and honor and he has publicly made some controversial statements.

395
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One of the producers was Mel Gibson and he's obviously controversial because he's Mel Gibson.

396
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The writer of the story is somewhat controversial because he's made some conspiracy type theory

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statements.

398
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All of these conspiracy stuff is unrelated to the movie and the movie was made way before

399
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they made any of these controversial statements.

400
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,000
It's unrelated.

401
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I don't know that the conspiracies are unrelated, but keep going.

402
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Okay.

403
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The movie was delayed because they sold it to Fox, which was bought by Disney and Disney

404
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wasn't going to release it.

405
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And then they crowdfunded and bought the movie back and did a release.

406
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And they ginned up controversy on purpose, I think, as part of the advertising campaign

407
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to save money.

408
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Which is smart.

409
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That's just smart.

410
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Yeah.

411
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Well, and they did the pay it forward ticket sales thing.

412
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Right.

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And for some reason, Hollywood types didn't like that.

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I think that a lot of the writers that I read who were criticizing it were a little too

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defensive.

416
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I think they might be implicated in wrongdoing with other things, kind of like the Harvey

417
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Weinstein type of shit.

418
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You know what I mean?

419
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There's a lot of copium going on.

420
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I think too, Mike, the director has spouted some QAnon theories as well from what I remember

421
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reading.

422
00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:31,120
That doesn't surprise me.

423
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Birds of a feather and all that.

424
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Right?

425
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,880
And people making this film are probably going to see eye to eye on a few things.

426
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Yeah.

427
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:46,520
The other thing I think we should mention right now is that there are a slew of allegations

428
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now against Tim Ballard in real life from his foundation he created to help rescue children.

429
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But a bunch of women from that organization have accused him of sexual abuse or sexual

430
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assault or something of that nature.

431
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Did these come out after the movie?

432
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,480
Yeah, as far as I know.

433
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Are any of them reputable?

434
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:07,480
The accusations did.

435
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:08,480
You know what, Mike?

436
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I don't know.

437
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,680
And that's part of what we're going to talk about.

438
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:12,680
Okay.

439
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I did not know that.

440
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Because of these theories that some of the people involved in the film have, it seems

441
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that for whatever reason, a lot of democratic or liberal people think this is a QAnon masturbation

442
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film as it were.

443
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This is playing into the Trumpism, Christian moral values, QAnon conspiracy theory stuff.

444
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There were people that supported Trump that were saying that he was a good Christian despite

445
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all of the other things that he said in his entire life.

446
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And I think that a lot of that played into part.

447
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And the people that are saying this film is controversial are the people that can't distinguish

448
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the person from the art or the people involved in making the art from the art.

449
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But then you also think, well, because they said that, of course, all of the conservative

450
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Christian people are going to go and see it and like it.

451
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And it definitely doesn't not appeal to the Christian conservatives.

452
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I mean, even the one scene I told you about with the, well, God's children aren't for

453
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sale.

454
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That's something a pastor says Sunday morning.

455
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And you took it a different way and I took it a different way.

456
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And I think if you're going in as a conservative Christian, you're going to take it a different

457
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way, like a third secret way.

458
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Oh, for sure.

459
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:43,240
And so the one QAnon theory that I saw referenced to this movie was, QAnon theory is that the

460
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world or America or whatever is run by a ring of pedophiles who control everything.

461
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But that wasn't mentioned in the movie.

462
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So I don't, you know.

463
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It was not mentioned in the movie and it was not included as like a subplot or, you know.

464
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No, and it wasn't in their press docket of marketing materials either.

465
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You know, right.

466
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I think though that, and I don't want to, this is where it gets a little iffy because

467
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if QAnon says the world is run by a ring of pedophiles and you have had Jeffrey Epstein

468
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incarcerated and you have currently, Jisleen Maxwell incarcerated, but their client list

469
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has never been made public, it certainly does lead one to wonder if everyone in power is

470
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actually a pedophile.

471
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:38,280
Well, the Balenciaga incident I thought was highly disturbing and I did not look to see

472
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whether there was any follow up on any of that.

473
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,680
But I'm not familiar with that one, Mike.

474
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:48,480
Oh, the Balenciaga was taking some inappropriate photographs of children and passing it off

475
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as artistic and promoting high fashion.

476
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:53,880
Okay.

477
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Yes.

478
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I would not suggest looking up the pictures, but it was like leather daddy pictures with

479
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four-year-olds.

480
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Okay.

481
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I have a huge, I need to say this.

482
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,400
I have a huge fucking issue with child beauty pageants.

483
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,440
The fuck is that about?

484
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I don't have a huge issue with it, but I would not allow my child to be in a child beauty

485
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,440
pageant.

486
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:19,760
I think that it definitely lends itself to predators for sure.

487
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There's a way to do it responsibly.

488
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,120
I'm sure.

489
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:25,640
I'm not involved with that and I would never be involved with that.

490
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Yeah.

491
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,680
I mean, there's so many other things a child could do other than-

492
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It doesn't seem to be particularly appropriate.

493
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:37,120
Dress up with a whole bunch of makeup and try and look like you're older than you are.

494
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:39,200
I don't- Right.

495
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,960
There's definitely elements of that.

496
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,640
Cuties, there's elements of that creepiness.

497
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:46,640
People notice and then-

498
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,240
That's a weird thing.

499
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,240
What is?

500
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,720
Did you see Cuties?

501
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:56,480
I didn't see Cuties either, but I remember one half of the population was saying it's

502
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:02,440
a pedophile film and the other side saying, oh no, this is all normal stuff.

503
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,840
Then you just switch the sides and then you've got the people that liked Cuties, but hate

504
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,480
Sound of Freedom and vice versa.

505
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,480
I don't know.

506
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,320
Are we going to have to do Cuties on the show?

507
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,600
Do we have to watch that one?

508
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,600
I don't know.

509
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,600
I don't really want to watch Cuties.

510
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,600
I don't want to watch it either.

511
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,640
I'm not interested in it.

512
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:21,640
No, no.

513
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,280
Outside of the controversy, I would have no interest in watching that film.

514
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,600
So I am about halfway through the cigar, by the way.

515
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:29,600
Me as well.

516
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,000
What are your thoughts, Mike?

517
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,760
It's kind of sweet and very smooth and medium bodied and I like it.

518
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:35,760
Yeah, I like it.

519
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,400
This one I like better than the Oliva Connecticut.

520
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,600
Yes, very much so.

521
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,600
Very much so.

522
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,600
Yeah.

523
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,600
I mean, and so that's kind of the weird thing is you've got these people that I guess spend

524
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,720
a lot of time looking up actors and things and directors and what their personal beliefs

525
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:58,760
are and then kind of projecting those onto their works, which sometimes happens.

526
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,940
You know, sometimes directors or actors personalities come through.

527
00:26:01,940 --> 00:26:02,940
We mentioned this earlier.

528
00:26:02,940 --> 00:26:04,920
As opposed to, yeah.

529
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:10,000
Off air, but the same people that defend Roman Polanski and his movies are the same ones

530
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,200
who have attacked this movie as being a QAnon supporting.

531
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,200
Yeah.

532
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:20,000
And as far as I'm aware, like Jim Caviezel is not a criminal of any kind.

533
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,520
He's allowed to have whatever political opinions he wants.

534
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,920
And Roman Polanski is a criminal who is still running from the law.

535
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,000
So there's a big difference there.

536
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,600
And still making movies, I guess.

537
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,080
And still making movies.

538
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,080
Right.

539
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,680
So just saying.

540
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,120
And I mean, Mel Gibson is still making movies.

541
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:42,120
Right.

542
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:43,120
He's not a criminal.

543
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:46,760
He never he has controversial political opinions.

544
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,240
He did get a DUI.

545
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,480
He's undoubtedly an alcoholic and probably an abuser and an anti-Semite or whatever.

546
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,720
And an anti-Semite for sure.

547
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,720
I mean, I'm not saying that I'm going to invite him over for fucking Thanksgiving or anything.

548
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,440
But I mean, so but that's part.

549
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,520
I mean, kind of that's the thing, right?

550
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:09,560
Is well, and musicians are even maybe even worse to some extent.

551
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:14,040
They do bad things and people still listen to their music like Chris Brown.

552
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,800
People I guess listen to Chris Brown.

553
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,720
I refuse to just on like moral grounds.

554
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,280
And I don't care for any of his shit.

555
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,740
But you know, there's there's people that do things and are continuing to do those things

556
00:27:25,740 --> 00:27:31,440
and continuing to profit off of things that then like boast upon the things they are busted

557
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,440
for doing.

558
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:38,680
And well, yeah, I mean, Amber Heard is still in movies and she is a convicted abuser.

559
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,680
Right.

560
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,560
So or she can get convicted.

561
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,600
She lost a court case.

562
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,400
But yeah, they're not very consistent.

563
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:50,960
We've said this before is, you know, when it comes down to it, everybody's a person.

564
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:59,160
And as somebody who makes art, whether it's film, a painting, music, what have you, they're

565
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,800
going to have personal opinions and beliefs that are different than yours.

566
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:09,720
And I think part of the reason everything is so fucked up is as a society.

567
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,360
We've we've mentioned this before.

568
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:14,520
So this is if you've been listening to this for a long time, I'm sorry, I'm repeating

569
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,080
myself, is that we don't as a society, we don't have a civil discourse anymore.

570
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,040
It's oh, you're on that side.

571
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,440
Well, I can't talk to you.

572
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,680
You're evil or vice versa, whatever it might be.

573
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:34,160
But I think for, you know, being a movie made by alleged QAnoners to not see any QAnon conspiracies

574
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:39,880
in the actual film was an amazing feat of self-restraint then, you know.

575
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:40,880
Right.

576
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,480
And I will criticize the people who criticize the QAnoners.

577
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,280
I mean, QAnon is ridiculous, right?

578
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:53,200
The concept of like some Q clear and special agent who's releasing information, blah, blah,

579
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,760
blah, and they have the inside track of what's really going on.

580
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:56,760
Blah, blah, blah.

581
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,760
It's ridiculous.

582
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:03,320
But some of the stuff that they are saying is likely true and is backed up with evidence

583
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:09,560
like Jeffrey Epstein and Henry Wynne's, you know, Henry Weinstein.

584
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,400
All we need to say about that is there's a reason the Epstein client list hasn't been

585
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,400
made public yet.

586
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,400
Right.

587
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,800
There's I mean, I recently watched a debate between Richard Dawkins and a cardinal that

588
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,360
took place like 10 years ago, and he was a cardinal in the Catholic Church from Australia.

589
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,440
Lo and behold, that guy is now in trouble for some inappropriate behavior with children.

590
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,440
Right.

591
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,680
So Catholic.

592
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,560
I know a Catholic cardinal inappropriate.

593
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,720
No, I know.

594
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,840
And then in this country, it's never talked about why the last pope stepped down.

595
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:41,840
Right.

596
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,960
Like, why did the last pope step down?

597
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,560
Well, I know why.

598
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,520
And I'm sure that you know why.

599
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,400
But it's not talked about on CNN.

600
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,680
In a position that is normally until you die.

601
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,680
Yes.

602
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,840
In a position where normally you never quit.

603
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,040
You know, he's not allowed to leave the Vatican for a reason.

604
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,040
Right.

605
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,160
He just lives in Vatican City and he's got an arrest warrant in Great Britain, that guy.

606
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,160
You know what I mean?

607
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,340
Like he's wanted by the police.

608
00:30:10,340 --> 00:30:13,480
For some reason, we don't know what that reason might be.

609
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,920
Yeah, we have no idea.

610
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,440
You know, no idea.

611
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,920
And you're from Wisconsin.

612
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:26,600
They had a school for the deaf and blind children that they literally sent predators to on purpose.

613
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,360
It's wild, you know, wild.

614
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,720
The things that go on and are just covered up.

615
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,640
So it's not like these fears are not are unfounded is what I'm saying.

616
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:44,640
Yeah, that's the strange thing nowadays because there's all there's these allegations against

617
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,560
Tim Ballard now since the movie and since the QAnon support.

618
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:54,080
And I guess Tim Ballard even mentioned something that could be construed as supporting a QAnon

619
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,800
conspiracy theory.

620
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,400
But honestly, I don't know what all the QAnon conspiracy theories are.

621
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,800
You know what I mean?

622
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,640
It's a very complicated.

623
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,800
How do all the people that don't like QAnon know all the QAnon conspiracy theories?

624
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:13,040
Like are they just looking for reasons to apply that label to people to then, you know,

625
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,040
discredit them?

626
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,040
I don't know.

627
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,400
Yeah, Tim Ballard saved over 200 some kids from child sex trafficking.

628
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,920
Is he the type of person you think that will be making sexual advances on women in his

629
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,920
organization?

630
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,920
I don't know.

631
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:27,920
I don't know.

632
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:28,920
I don't know him.

633
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,320
Or is it more likely that it's a smear campaign to tank the movie?

634
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,320
I don't know.

635
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,320
I don't know.

636
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,520
It's kind of like the allegations against Russell Brand.

637
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,440
I don't know Russell Brand.

638
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,280
So I don't know if the allegations are true.

639
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,880
But what I do know is that every allegation made against him was made anonymously by people.

640
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,800
There's no evidence for any of it.

641
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,480
And it just happened to coincide with him getting a contract with a major streaming

642
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,800
platform where he is calling out government officials.

643
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:56,800
Yeah.

644
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,800
So is that a coincidence?

645
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,800
I don't know.

646
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,600
I don't really like Russell Brand.

647
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,880
I mean, I know he was hot for a while, but I didn't really care for most of the movies

648
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:05,880
he was in.

649
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,480
I don't really like him as an actor.

650
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,480
You know what I mean?

651
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,280
I don't care for his movies at all.

652
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,320
I never really looked into him as a person.

653
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,320
So I don't know.

654
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,440
That's just based on his output.

655
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,400
He was a drug addled sex addict who went to treatment for both at one point in time.

656
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,000
And now he's doing a political show and he's kind of hippie dippy.

657
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,920
And he's sober and he's reformed his life.

658
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,880
And now he's basically creating content that questions government narratives around pretty

659
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,880
much everything.

660
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,840
Like that's kind of the premise of a show is what's the government narrative?

661
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,400
Can we poke holes in what they're saying in a way that we know they're not telling us

662
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,400
the truth here and here and here and here?

663
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,400
You know?

664
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,400
Yeah.

665
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,200
If you ask me in the street, I would say probably yes.

666
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,000
You probably could poke holes in most of the things the government tells you.

667
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,000
But right.

668
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:56,560
And he's popular enough to where he is a threat because he was famous for being a comedian.

669
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,940
So and again, I don't know if the allegations are true, but since every allegations made

670
00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:05,000
by an anonymous person, hard to tell, isn't it?

671
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,000
Yeah.

672
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,120
And you can make the argument that if there truly was abuse, you would want to remain

673
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,040
anonymous so he wouldn't take retribution or something or whatnot.

674
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,680
But also, I don't know.

675
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,040
You know, I mean, that's definitely a possibility.

676
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,040
I don't know.

677
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,880
I mean, that's the whole thing is like, you don't know.

678
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,720
And you'd likely nobody will ever know.

679
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,520
And the thing is that it doesn't matter anymore because they're all doing and this goes back

680
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:34,000
to her last episode or previous episode is nowadays it almost doesn't matter because

681
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,200
they can do the Fauci.

682
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,460
They can come out before anything's been decided.

683
00:33:37,460 --> 00:33:42,400
Anything's been confirmed by court of law and they can make these allegations, ruin

684
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:48,080
people's reputations, get them canceled or get them blacklisted from media or from their

685
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,460
livelihoods.

686
00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:53,240
Then they maybe get exonerated later, vindicated, what have you.

687
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,080
And it's been proven that that was all fabricated against them.

688
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,840
But nobody runs the story on that.

689
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:58,840
Right.

690
00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:59,840
Look at Marilyn Manson.

691
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,800
Yeah, they're already down to tearing down the next person.

692
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,040
So did you know that the allegations against Marilyn Manson were dropped and that the woman

693
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,400
who made them admitted?

694
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:13,360
Yeah, she admitted that they were lies, but that didn't, you know, he lost, I'm sure,

695
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,360
millions of dollars.

696
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,360
Yeah.

697
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,800
I don't know of a political reason for those allegations, by the way.

698
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:19,800
I don't know.

699
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:25,880
So I mean, you know, that's the weird thing is you say one wrong thing and that's kind

700
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,560
of it, you know, it could have been anything.

701
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,560
Right.

702
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,920
Well, we're entering a different epidemic period where there's a lot of stats being

703
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:41,920
generated that middle management male managers are not spending alone time with lower level

704
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,680
female employees and it's hurting their careers potentially.

705
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,680
Yeah.

706
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,600
And that's a problem for those women.

707
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,800
You know, they didn't do anything wrong.

708
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:50,800
Yeah.

709
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:57,760
Well, and it's, you know, it's a weird time because a lot of things that were normal and

710
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,880
fine in the nineties and early two thousands are no longer normal and fine.

711
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:08,280
And I'm not saying everything from the nineties and early two thousands was fantastic or great

712
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:16,320
or free from criticism, but we're getting into an era that is hypersensitive and people

713
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:22,960
are more apt, and I'm not saying this is wrong, but people are more apt to think twice before

714
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:29,000
doing any single thing with the thought of how does this open me up to liability?

715
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:35,260
If I mentor a female subordinate, does this open me up to liability?

716
00:35:35,260 --> 00:35:38,640
If I mentor even a male subordinate, does this open me up to liability?

717
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,840
If I mentor anybody, does this open me up to liability?

718
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,000
And you're losing a transfer of wisdom, a transfer of knowledge.

719
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,000
For sure.

720
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,000
For sure you are.

721
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,000
But we're in a weird place.

722
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,000
We're in a weird place.

723
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,000
We're in a very weird place.

724
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,760
And you got to mix in AI too.

725
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:02,400
I can show you a little document that I received recently about the limitations of AI and what

726
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,720
you are and are not allowed to use it for in the workplace.

727
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:09,280
It's very interesting.

728
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,400
We're entering a very strange space.

729
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,400
Yeah.

730
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,440
Well, and I've seen those things and I think we'll do an episode on AI later, but I've

731
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,720
seen things where you can kind of trick AI into giving you answers that it should not

732
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:23,840
be giving you or it's been programmed not to give you.

733
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:24,840
Oh, sure.

734
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,360
Then it kind of raises the question is, is it truly AI?

735
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:29,360
Because not yet.

736
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,360
No, yeah, not yet.

737
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:35,440
But it's funny because they're calling those little two wheeled scooter boards, they're

738
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,040
calling them hover boards, but they're not hovering their own wheels.

739
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,040
Right.

740
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,760
You know, so it's weird with the things people call things.

741
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:49,240
Oh, yeah, and I truly think and this maybe is conspiratorial of me.

742
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:55,100
I think a lot of the finger pointing about this movie is trying to point the finger away

743
00:36:55,100 --> 00:37:02,140
from them because they're implicated in wrongdoing, not wrongdoing related to sex trafficking,

744
00:37:02,140 --> 00:37:03,620
but other wrongdoing.

745
00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:08,560
You know, so if the focus is on somebody else's wrongdoing, then it's not on my wrongdoing.

746
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,520
You know, all the people that knew about what was going on with Weinstein, none of those

747
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,120
people have come to account.

748
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,120
Right.

749
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,440
Did Kevin Smith know what was going on?

750
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,620
Did Quentin Tarantino know what was going on?

751
00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:22,080
How many of these people knew exactly what was happening?

752
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:27,000
How many people are doing that exact thing that just aren't in the public eye?

753
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,000
Yeah.

754
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:34,320
Well, and the other thing too, and it gets a little more complicated with, I guess, Weinstein

755
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:39,880
because he was in a position of power that could green light or shelve your project.

756
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:45,960
So even if you knew what was going on, are you motivated to not work with him or turn

757
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:46,960
him in?

758
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,680
Or are you motivated to maybe look the other way?

759
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,680
Not saying you approve of what he's doing, but if you have something you want to get

760
00:37:53,680 --> 00:38:00,000
made, you know, so it gets even muddier when you try and like break down individual motivations

761
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,480
of things.

762
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,480
For sure.

763
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:03,480
And that's what I'm saying.

764
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,160
I'm not trying to say like, yeah, I know.

765
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,960
I'm just trying to spell it out a little.

766
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:07,960
Yeah.

767
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,960
Yeah.

768
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,560
I know that people are probably doing something wrong, but they could be implicated in wrongdoing.

769
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,180
Is this journalist doing anything wrong?

770
00:38:17,180 --> 00:38:18,180
Probably not.

771
00:38:18,180 --> 00:38:21,800
Do they know of some wrongdoing that's going on at the workplace that they're not exposing

772
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,800
and maybe later will become tangled up in it?

773
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,800
Maybe so.

774
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:27,800
Maybe so.

775
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,440
And I know that for a while it was conflated that this was like a systemic issue.

776
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,800
And I don't think it is.

777
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:39,760
I think it's very correlated with things like the entertainment industry, where there's

778
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,680
not a lot of professionalism in that industry.

779
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:47,080
It's been a long standing practice to be abusive.

780
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,160
It's not an engineering firm, right?

781
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,160
Yeah.

782
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,280
I don't imagine there's a lot of weird shit going on or engineering firms.

783
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:59,640
I mean, I'm sure there is, but I'm sure there's probably is probably not child sex trafficking.

784
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:05,240
Yeah, it's probably not systemic in the same way that it is in Hollywood and in journalism

785
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:08,600
and in politics.

786
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,920
And we know that politicians are scummy.

787
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:11,920
Yeah.

788
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:12,920
Yes, indeed.

789
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,320
So yeah, I mean, I don't know.

790
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,320
It was a fine movie.

791
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,480
It kept my attention.

792
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:23,840
I think in the long run though, it's going to be largely forgotten because it had a few

793
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,640
issues pacing script acting, whatever.

794
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,840
I mean, it was fine.

795
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:30,840
It was fine.

796
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,160
It's a perfectly adequate popcorn movie if you like cop dramas.

797
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,560
And a lot of people really do.

798
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,560
Yeah.

799
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,320
Not much different than an NCIS episode.

800
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,800
No, not really.

801
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:41,800
Yeah.

802
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:42,800
Not really.

803
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,120
And this is the most popular show on TV for years.

804
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,200
So if you're into that, I am not particularly into that.

805
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,320
But yeah, I mean, I'm not.

806
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,720
Like I said, I think the other comparison is taken.

807
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:55,720
And that's a completely fictional.

808
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:58,480
It's not even based on anything real, I guess.

809
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,600
You know, but that's a lot more action based.

810
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:01,600
Yeah.

811
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:02,600
That's more action.

812
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,600
It's not really a drama.

813
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:04,840
And this is more of a drama.

814
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,280
And then there's kind of a little fight scene.

815
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,760
And there's there's definitely tense moments for sure.

816
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:17,760
And I don't know, I guess, Mike, how did you feel with Vampiro kind of confessing that

817
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,000
he slept with a 14 year old?

818
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,800
I mean, it all played into the story, right?

819
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,800
Yeah.

820
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,880
There's this guy, Gumbag, who turned against the lifestyle.

821
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:29,880
Yeah.

822
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:30,880
Right.

823
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,800
Which is common in drug enforcement and in everything else.

824
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,680
You have to have informants.

825
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,080
So this guy was involved with the drug trade and all the things that go associated with

826
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,080
that.

827
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,400
But this isn't about the drug trade.

828
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,980
This is about trafficking.

829
00:40:44,980 --> 00:40:47,120
So that's what he's up and into.

830
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:52,920
And he was the contact man for all these guys who like one of the baddies was a drug trafficker

831
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,520
whose side gig was human trafficking.

832
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:56,520
Yeah.

833
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,280
He's not a full time human trafficker.

834
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,560
It's just one of the many illegal businesses that he's involved with.

835
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,560
Yeah.

836
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:08,100
And some of them like it was interesting because some of them were into like the weird stuff

837
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:10,200
and some of them were just there purely for business.

838
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,200
Yeah.

839
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,200
So yeah, yeah.

840
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,600
It even showed a sympathetic eye to some of these traffickers who felt uncomfortable

841
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,760
with what they were doing, but they still wanted to make the money.

842
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:20,760
Yeah.

843
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,920
And they're not universally like creepos.

844
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,400
They're just business people involved in the legal industry.

845
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,400
Yeah.

846
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,960
I mean, I guess like you could take that either way as an audience member, right?

847
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,720
Like normally you would think, well, anybody involved with that whatsoever is evil.

848
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:36,740
And it's true probably, right?

849
00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:39,280
Anybody involved in child sex trafficking is evil.

850
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:45,640
But it was, I guess it was nice that they showed the range where some were way more

851
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:46,880
comfortable with it.

852
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,800
Like that one guy Bulldog or whatever his name was who took the little boy out and was

853
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,320
going to do stuff with them.

854
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,640
And then Edmund Dantes wanted to go stop him, but he had to play characters.

855
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,560
So he had to be like, no, this boy is mine or something.

856
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,640
And then there were other ones that were kind of uncomfortable, but like, well, it's still

857
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,640
going to make me rich.

858
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,760
So, you know, and it kind of goes back to what we were talking about last episode where

859
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,320
you were saying that the more wealth somebody has, the more likely they are to want more

860
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:18,000
wealth and everybody else that's poor or less well off than them is just kind of a thing

861
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,400
in that really a person.

862
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:20,400
Right.

863
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,400
Yeah.

864
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:26,560
If anybody disagrees with that, just think about how people look at the homeless, right?

865
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:32,600
I know people that look at the homeless like not very well, like subhuman for sure.

866
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,380
And they are human beings that are having very serious issues.

867
00:42:36,380 --> 00:42:40,360
It's very difficult to get over that because you have to deal with all the homeless behaviors,

868
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,240
which are not good.

869
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:47,400
But yeah, but a lot of the underlying stuff is if we had a, I don't know what you would

870
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,720
say, a more supportive mental health culture in our society, a lot of these issues would

871
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:53,720
be addressed.

872
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:54,720
Oh, for sure.

873
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:58,920
I mean, if we had universal health care, then these people would have access to mental health

874
00:42:58,920 --> 00:42:59,920
care.

875
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:00,920
Yeah.

876
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:07,320
Instead of I'm not saying it has mental health issues, but I'm just saying that not every,

877
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,320
no.

878
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,640
According to the federal government, 40% have full-time jobs.

879
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,120
But you don't see those people because they're living in cars and they're driving around

880
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,160
and they're trying to get housing again.

881
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,240
They just don't make enough money to make ends meet.

882
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:20,240
Yeah.

883
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:21,240
Yeah.

884
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:24,880
They're not living in the camps causing a ruckus.

885
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:25,880
Yeah.

886
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,880
So.

887
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,920
But I feel like a fair number of them, and I don't know any stats, so this could just

888
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,720
be me talking out of my ass, but I feel like a fair number of people that struggle and

889
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:41,640
have trouble keeping jobs, well, one jobs aren't really designed anymore to be kept.

890
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:46,200
The companies kind of go for the lowest common denominator, who can do this job cheaper?

891
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:53,520
But a lot of people that have mental health needs have vast issues trying to fit into

892
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,640
corporate America or things like that.

893
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,120
So yeah, they're not having an easy go of things for sure.

894
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:05,200
And then you've got a whole architecture subtype of, was it like homeless aggressive or something

895
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:10,400
where they put spikes on benches and they make their exterior window wells slant at

896
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,080
a degree that somebody can't lay and sleep there and stuff.

897
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:20,440
And I don't think we should, as a society, be encouraging people to sleep on window wells.

898
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,080
We should have a better system in place to help these people.

899
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,440
But I also don't think we need to be doing hostile architecture either.

900
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:33,960
It's definitely implicates our society and how cruel we are that we would rather just

901
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:39,360
make a bench that somebody can't sleep on than solving the root cause of the problem.

902
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,200
Even though we're supposedly the wealthiest nation that has ever existed on the face of

903
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:51,320
the planet and we have hundreds of billions of dollars to support various wars around

904
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:56,520
the world, but we don't have enough money to take care of citizens in this country.

905
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:02,040
We can't forgive student loan debt because it costs too much money, but 150 billion to

906
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,640
help Ukraine and Israel is no big deal.

907
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:05,640
Yes.

908
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,920
I've actually confronted some people that don't think that college should be publicly

909
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:16,200
funded with the idea that maybe we should no longer publicly fund grade school or high

910
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,960
school education either, because it serves the same function.

911
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:26,120
So why don't we just stop paying for preschool and kindergarten and high school, and then

912
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,240
you can pay for that out of your pocket for your child and I don't have to pay it out

913
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,440
of my property tax and to save me money every year.

914
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,600
So people don't seem to like that argument.

915
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,760
They don't seem to like that very much when you say, yeah, why don't you just pay whatever

916
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,600
it costs to hire a teacher and a building and everything else out of your own pocket.

917
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,320
Do you see what they're doing in Oregon?

918
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:55,600
They have removed reading, writing and math requirements for students of color to graduate.

919
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:56,800
You're fucking joking me.

920
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:57,800
Absolutely not.

921
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:04,960
Isn't that what we used to be called the soft, the bigotry of low expectations, right?

922
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,560
The soft bigotry of low expectations.

923
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,720
Yeah, you would think.

924
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:14,400
So it says here, and this is OregonLive.com, Oregon high school students won't have to

925
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,040
prove basic master of reading, writing or math to graduate from high school until at

926
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,000
least 2029.

927
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:27,480
The state board of education decided unanimously to extend the pause on the controversial graduation

928
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,480
requirement that began in 2020.

929
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:34,840
So they're saying basically that they are suspending those graduation requirements because

930
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,400
those graduation requirements are discriminatory against minority students.

931
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,800
Yeah, don't solve the root of the issue.

932
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:46,640
I'm guessing there's some schools out there that are seriously underfunded for the needs

933
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:47,640
of the students.

934
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,040
Yeah, I mean, there's something.

935
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,040
I don't know.

936
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,680
I mean, I'm not, I'm not a educational professional or whatever, what have you.

937
00:46:54,680 --> 00:47:02,040
But I have never seen anything in my life that says making the requirements easier for

938
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,800
one group of people makes them better later on.

939
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:06,800
Right.

940
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,880
Or more able to compete or more able to sustain themselves later on.

941
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,280
That could be on the football team.

942
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,280
That could be on anything.

943
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,380
Like it doesn't necessarily have to do fully with education, but it seems like it's only

944
00:47:18,380 --> 00:47:22,400
going to continue whatever problem is currently going on.

945
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,840
And probably make that problem even worse.

946
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,360
Possibly, possibly.

947
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:33,680
But we don't have serious and honest conversations about things anymore in this country, seemingly

948
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,720
at times, at times.

949
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:39,080
No, and we don't have, what do you call it?

950
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:46,180
Respectful discord or something like that where you and I can disagree on the one scene

951
00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:50,080
in Sound of Freedom where he says, God's kids are not for sale or whatever.

952
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,320
And I took it in a religious rah rah, God loves us.

953
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:59,720
And you took it in a general kind of, you know, no kids are for sale and, you know,

954
00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:02,000
like not on my watch kind of thing.

955
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,920
But we're not name calling each other.

956
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:04,920
Right.

957
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,860
I mean, this is a very small, it's like, it's one little line in a movie for entertainment,

958
00:48:09,860 --> 00:48:12,520
but you have people that get worked out about football games.

959
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:13,520
So you know.

960
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:18,160
Well, we talked about this in an earlier episode, and I'm sure people are tired of hearing about

961
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,640
it because it's in the news everywhere.

962
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,840
But we're not having an honest discourse about why we have, for example, women's sports.

963
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,920
Why do women's sports exist?

964
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:27,920
Yeah.

965
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,140
Fundamentally, why do women's sports exist?

966
00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:31,680
Why does Title IX exist?

967
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:32,680
Right.

968
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,280
It's to protect women because women cannot compete against men in sports.

969
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:37,280
That's why.

970
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,800
So if we're going to allow that to weaken, then all we're doing is taking away the protection

971
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,640
that was there put in the first place because we were in a position where women weren't

972
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,520
participating in sports.

973
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,720
So we're just going backwards, basically.

974
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:51,720
Yeah.

975
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:59,440
Well, and I think a big thing is you can't really litigate equality.

976
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:05,200
You can when it comes to the letter of the law and having equal access of opportunity,

977
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,920
but you can't, but it comes to social beliefs.

978
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:08,920
Yeah.

979
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:15,440
We have to change, like you said, the underlying beliefs in the things and why we don't have

980
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,640
more respectful discord on TV.

981
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,440
Why are all, and this is why I don't watch news.

982
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,180
The main reason is, well, the main reason is they repeat everything every 15 minutes

983
00:49:26,180 --> 00:49:27,800
or 30 minutes or whatever it is.

984
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:32,160
The other reason is anytime you watch any kind of news, they're always arguing and yelling

985
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,360
at one another.

986
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,240
And that's what's being modeled to everybody in the country that watches the news.

987
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:38,760
Why can't you have?

988
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,920
Why can't you model civil discourse?

989
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,080
Why can't you model that?

990
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,220
Because the ratings aren't as good probably, but they're perpetuating the issue.

991
00:49:47,220 --> 00:49:50,960
They see people on TV yelling at one another and then their neighbor does something that

992
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:51,960
they don't understand.

993
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,720
Well, I'm going to yell at them.

994
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:54,720
Yeah.

995
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:58,120
I'm sure that there's a lot of people that see a flag of whatever variety in their neighbor's

996
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:03,900
yard and get pissed off about it instead of trying to understand the root of their neighbor's

997
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:06,600
reason for it as an example, right?

998
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:07,600
As an example.

999
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:13,880
Yeah, that's the main reason I don't have any flags in my yard or yard signs or whatever.

1000
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:14,880
I don't either.

1001
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:15,880
I don't either.

1002
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:21,240
I don't want the grief, which is, you know, I mean, on one hand it's kind of sad because

1003
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:24,840
it's like, well, you should be able to put whatever you want out and not have people,

1004
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,080
not worry about people targeting you for whatever reason.

1005
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,640
But then again, I also kind of think like, I don't need to know what neighbor so-and-so

1006
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:38,240
thinks about this issue or that issue unless I'm actually their friend or talk to them,

1007
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:39,240
you know?

1008
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:40,240
Right.

1009
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:42,520
The listeners don't know this, but they're going to find out now.

1010
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:47,400
I travel around the state a lot and I take pictures of interesting things, things that

1011
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,360
I think that are funny and I send them to Nate.

1012
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,360
Yeah.

1013
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,360
And a lot of it's...

1014
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,000
You said one and it took me a long time to figure out because it said living waters or

1015
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,720
something and I thought it sounded like a church, but it did not look like a church.

1016
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:02,420
So I wasn't quite sure what it was.

1017
00:51:02,420 --> 00:51:05,480
I thought maybe it was like a water treatment plant.

1018
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:06,480
Yeah.

1019
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,920
Because it had a security fence and security lights and everything and it was like totally

1020
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:12,920
locked.

1021
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,800
You couldn't get into it unless I guess they opened it for Sunday service.

1022
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:16,800
But...

1023
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:17,800
Yep.

1024
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:18,800
Yeah.

1025
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:19,800
It was a church.

1026
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:20,800
It was a church.

1027
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:21,800
And the funniest part is that right down the street for them is a huge church.

1028
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,800
It looks like they bought a farm field.

1029
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:29,200
They have baseball fields and a kid's playground and it's like a nice church like I would have

1030
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,320
went to when I was younger, a big Catholic church with all the family stuff.

1031
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:38,120
And then down the road they have like the military compound, the prison, the prison

1032
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,660
yard.

1033
00:51:41,660 --> 00:51:48,800
I take pictures of people's vehicles that are all tricked out with crazy nonsense.

1034
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:49,800
And their yards.

1035
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,660
I love taking pictures of people's yards when they have the shrines for whatever reason.

1036
00:51:54,660 --> 00:51:56,320
That's pretty common around here.

1037
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:03,360
And Mike's, for any listeners, Mike's favorite flag is the Blue Lives Matter flag.

1038
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,480
I like the Blue Lives Matter flag when they mix it up with other things that are like

1039
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,560
not necessarily appropriate.

1040
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:10,560
Yeah.

1041
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:11,560
Yeah.

1042
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,560
Yeah.

1043
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,480
That's always the top.

1044
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,200
If I see something that's like racist mixed with the Blue Lives Matter, maybe a Trump

1045
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,160
flag, I'm like, yeah, let's take that.

1046
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,480
Yeah, it's hilarious.

1047
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:25,800
Or like the mixed messages.

1048
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,400
I love the stuff that's mixed messages.

1049
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,960
Yeah, and the people don't even realize it.

1050
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,720
Yeah, they don't really realize that they're sending mixed messages.

1051
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:37,880
It's like, that they don't tread on me mixed with like the blue line.

1052
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,440
Like, okay.

1053
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,440
Who's going to tread on you, bro?

1054
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,440
Yeah, man.

1055
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:50,360
Well, I think we're getting pretty close to the end of our sticks, right, Mike?

1056
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:51,360
We are.

1057
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:52,360
My fingers are burning.

1058
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,360
Yes.

1059
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:54,360
How'd you like it?

1060
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,360
I like it.

1061
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,640
I don't, you know, this is one I would definitely smoke again.

1062
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,760
I don't know that I'm necessarily going to go out and seek it out, but it's not one that

1063
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:04,760
I would ever say no to.

1064
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,960
I'd be more than happy to smoke this one.

1065
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:13,120
Yeah, I would recommend it if you like sweet medium bodied cigars.

1066
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,240
It's definitely a winner.

1067
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:16,920
I wouldn't shy away from having it again, for sure.

1068
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:17,920
It was part of a pack.

1069
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,120
I would say, oh, that's going to be a good one.

1070
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,200
Yeah, I'm not going to buy a box of them.

1071
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,200
No.

1072
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,440
These olivas, they make the nub series and those nub cigars are good.

1073
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:32,240
And they have the nub bushel packs and everybody, if you have a humidor at home, buy the nub

1074
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:37,240
bushel pack because that's just a great sampler to have.

1075
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:38,840
And these olivar packs.

1076
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,040
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1077
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,960
And any olivar sampler is going to be good.

1078
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:44,960
Yeah.

1079
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,200
So you might not like all of them, but you're going to probably like a majority of them.

1080
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,200
Right.

1081
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,680
And I don't think we've had something that's like vile or anything.

1082
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,840
Like it's not like a, not like a gurka where they're really up and down.

1083
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:57,840
Yeah.

1084
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,400
Or like an underground.

1085
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,880
And they, people love those damn things.

1086
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,000
We are just, yeah, people love those damn things.

1087
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,480
We are definitely on the outside of that one.

1088
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:11,480
Yeah.

1089
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:12,480
Yeah.

1090
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,960
It's not as good as a Rocky Patel vintage or anything like that, but it's good.

1091
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,560
Yeah, it's good.

1092
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,280
And I guess it's good that we're kind of on the outside of some of the cigar stuff because

1093
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,040
we don't have sponsors.

1094
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,960
We don't, we're not being paid for opinions on any of this stuff.

1095
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:35,560
So this is just, I like to, like to just regular people opinions on cigars and movies and books

1096
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,360
and other things that we sometimes talk about.

1097
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:39,360
So right.

1098
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:40,360
Yeah.

1099
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,440
It's a, and we're all smoking a reasonably price cigars.

1100
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:48,040
So for the most part, for the most part, every once in a while we do a special stick or whatever,

1101
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,840
but yeah, and they're always good.

1102
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:50,840
All right.

1103
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,240
Well, so far, not, not always.

1104
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:54,840
But you know, some are better than others for sure.

1105
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:55,840
Yes.

1106
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:01,840
So anyway, uh, Sonder Freedom, if you want to watch a cop drama about human trafficking,

1107
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:02,840
then it's up your alley.

1108
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,480
Uh, it's perfectly adequate.

1109
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:05,480
Yep.

1110
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,560
I think, you know, there are people out there that say it's absolute rubbish and there are

1111
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,760
people out there that say it is excellent.

1112
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:17,440
And the reality is somewhere in the middle, but better than average, I would say.

1113
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,280
So I would watch the Barbie movie first.

1114
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,040
I recommend watching the Barbie movie.

1115
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,040
I enjoyed that movie.

1116
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,040
I, you know what?

1117
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:30,040
I maybe enjoyed it more in retrospect than I did actually watching it, but I think, I

1118
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,880
mean, I'd have to watch it a second time.

1119
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:37,200
The Barbie movie was entertaining and it was a little more entertaining than Sonder Freedom,

1120
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,200
I guess.

1121
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,560
So the Sonder Freedom was mildly disturbing.

1122
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:46,080
So well, yeah, it depends on how uncomfortable you like movies to make you.

1123
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,080
Right.

1124
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,960
It was not, it's, it's probably Schindler's list level uncomfortable for me.

1125
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,240
I didn't cry or anything at Sonder Freedom, but it was definitely uncomfortable.

1126
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:57,240
No, you know.

1127
00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:58,240
Yeah.

1128
00:55:58,240 --> 00:55:59,240
There was something uncomfortable with it.

1129
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:01,080
It's not as good a movie as Schindler's list.

1130
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,080
No.

1131
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:07,440
I think, I think that, I guess the other one that's like really difficult, but I absolutely

1132
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,920
love it is Requiem for a Dream.

1133
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:15,520
And that is, that is a one way trip to like depression kind of that film.

1134
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:20,840
So, but it's, it's fantastically done and, and everything.

1135
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,800
But yeah, I mean, Sonder Freedom is good.

1136
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:23,800
It's fine.

1137
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:30,480
It's, I don't think it's the like underdog best picture winter thing by any stretch,

1138
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:37,080
but perfectly serviceable for what it is, a fictionalized, embellished account of a

1139
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:44,240
true thing that happened kind of, you know, or a true person that exists, but Hollywood

1140
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:45,720
put him in different circumstances.

1141
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:46,720
And it's fine.

1142
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:47,720
It's good.

1143
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:54,440
You know, I guess in the same sense that Gladiator is moderately historically accurate, but not

1144
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:55,440
so much so.

1145
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:56,680
And it's more entertainment.

1146
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:57,680
So right.

1147
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:58,680
Gladiator is better.

1148
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,680
Well, yeah, for sure.

1149
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,160
Undoubtedly, undoubtedly.

1150
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:04,360
Yeah.

1151
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,800
It's better than any movie that's going to come out this year for sure.

1152
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:08,800
Yeah.

1153
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:09,800
Yeah.

1154
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:10,800
So it's one of the better movies of this year.

1155
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,080
Let's, let's just say that easily.

1156
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,640
And the all of us series.

1157
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:15,640
Oh, I'm a fan.

1158
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,640
I would smoke it again.

1159
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,840
Probably not going to buy a box.

1160
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:20,840
So yes.

1161
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,960
I mean, just if we're being full, full disclosure, full disclosure, I'm not going to go out and

1162
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:25,960
buy a box.

1163
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,920
This is not like a series are it's not the joy of black.

1164
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:30,920
Let's say that.

1165
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:31,920
Yeah.

1166
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:32,920
The joy of black.

1167
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:33,920
I've actually been looking to try to find more.

1168
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,000
Like I want to find a sampler of all of them because they do have several.

1169
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,240
And I'm like, God, that was a really good cigar.

1170
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:41,240
Yeah.

1171
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,400
I just want a box of the joy of black.

1172
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,960
That'd be, that'd be awesome.

1173
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,600
So yeah, they're good.

1174
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:47,600
Yeah.

1175
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:48,600
Christmas is coming up.

1176
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,400
Mike and I always accept gifts of boxes of cigars.

1177
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:56,640
So sampler packs with two of each kind.

1178
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:57,640
Yeah.

1179
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:58,640
Yeah.

1180
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,760
We'll put you out as a sponsor on the show.

1181
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,280
So anyway, thanks for listening.

1182
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,280
Be safe.

1183
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:19,920
With a hello Diamond Echo.