Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Nate.
And I'm Mike.
And I'm Simcha.
So, what are we smoking tonight?
We are smoking a Rocky Patel Vintage 1990.
We have smoked one of these before, first season, but this is a different size.
This is a little bit smaller than the original one that we smoked.
And little bit smaller, that's a cigar aficionado term, right?
Yes, yes it is.
This is what looks to be like a 6 inch by 50 gauge, I mean, I guess.
And the one we had before was a little bigger and a little longer.
You can say girthier.
You're not going to be...
Girthier, yep.
So we're testing whether the size difference changes our perception of how good the cigar
is.
Yeah, I wet the cap and I certainly gagged less with this smaller diameter, so that's
a plus.
Easier on your pride.
Yeah, yeah, I don't have to open my jaw, like unlock my jaw as much.
Are you doing just one V-cut, Mike, or are you doing multiple?
I'm doing the double.
Alright, I think I'll go with the one, I think it's just a little narrow, but...
It is small enough, I thought, I considered it.
Alright, is everybody ready to light on up?
Is there?
Alright, let's do it.
Wow.
So first thoughts on this one, anyone?
This was everything I was imagining it would be.
I'm not an aficionado.
I mean, I enjoy cigars and I got plenty of friends that smoke them, so, you know.
But this was everything I was hoping it would be.
Nice.
Like with the flavors, like I've tried different ones and just with the...
I don't know how to like...
I don't know how to describe it.
It's all good.
We're, hopefully, we're a podcast for entry level or people that want to get into the
cigar thing.
We try not to keep things...
Too complicated.
Yeah, we try not to get too complicated with everything.
It's like a dark taste.
That's the best way I can describe it.
Earthy, maybe?
Maybe not earthy.
I'm getting a lot of wood and a lot of leather.
Ah, there you go.
Yep.
I mean, I've tried really leathery ones, so that's why I didn't want to say leather, but...
It's not a bad leather taste by any means, but it's kind of got that roundness to it.
It's a good cigar.
Yeah, I think it starts out good on my end, too.
What does everybody pair in their cigars with?
Oh, yes, yes.
I'm doing the Hop Valley Stache Bandicute Hazy Imperial IPA because I figure if I'm
tired after the weekend, I might as well get a little extra tired with some high octane
brew.
Nice.
And you, Simmo?
Unfortunately, nothing at the moment.
I didn't like, you know, we just finished like a crazy month and I lost my lighter.
I've been scrambling to look for it, I mean, until we lit up.
I mean, that's been a little crazy, but...
Just the cigar.
I didn't go out today, other than work a little bit.
Sure.
I have a Castle Danger Scotch Ale that I picked up directly from the manufacturer today, and
then I have some whiskey from the distillery in Duluth.
Hey, there you go.
I just spent a month drinking whiskey.
Nice.
I'm giving myself a break.
Perfect.
Yeah, because you just...
We've been talking, well, Simmo and I have, and Mike and I talk, the three of us don't
talk frequently altogether.
What do we do?
We record it, I guess.
But you just wrapped up, you read through the entire Torah, right, each year?
And so you just now restarted at Genesis 1-1, right?
Yeah.
And it's a whole month long celebration, three holidays.
Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, and Sukkot is what they're called.
But you only see two of them on a regular calendar.
But it's like, it's crazy.
It's the craziest...
It's always amazing, but it's always really hectic and it's really crazy.
Well Nate got to hear a lot about it.
Yes.
Sounds like being Jewish in Chicago is a lot of fun.
Yeah.
I was pouring shots of whiskey and giving blessings to my ex-wife.
She was there and we're giving each other blessings and taking these shots.
Everyone's dancing, it's loud, it's like an atmosphere.
And we don't have our phones for those days.
So we're not aware of the outside world.
Sure.
So it's a real amazing experience.
But my tolerance went through the roof and I got really full of whiskey.
Yes.
I feel like we all should have maybe gotten full of whiskey before talking about what
we're going to talk about this episode.
We are doing the long-awaited recap, I guess you would say recap or review of the Ahsoka
mini-series.
Now, off the bat, I heard a rumor somehow that you liked this show.
You know what?
I've matured as a human being.
The Ahsoka Show helped me mature as a human being.
It was a real journey.
Okay.
So, Nate got to be a part of that journey because the first two episodes I saw, I thought
it was really freaking awesome because they built a pipe for it.
I heard about it when the Mandalorian Season 1 came out.
One of my kids said it.
I don't know where they got that info, but apparently it's been anticipated for quite
a while.
Because basically, we're going to see the characters from Rebels.
I watched the heck out of Rebels.
It was a slow start, but once I got into it, I binge watched it.
So I realized quickly, very quickly, that I was blinded by love.
I'm so happy that you've come to the dark side.
Use your hate.
Should we do a quick recap of the Ahsoka Series before we get into it, you think?
I know it's one thing Dave Filoni did not do for anybody who hadn't seen Rebels.
He just launched into what he thought people wanted to see, I guess.
I don't know.
I'll take a stab at it, and then either of you two can correct me if I'm wrong.
We've got three episodes, the first three episodes.
Ahsoka is kind of there mostly, and she's looking for this magic ball map thing.
And this magic ball map thing.
She's looking for the MacGuffin, yes.
Yes.
The magic ball map thing somehow knows not only where Grand Admiral Thrawn is, because
he left at the end of Rebels, and so did Ezra, but also knows where Ezra is.
And this magical ball thing knows exactly where these two people are in all of everything.
And so they spend three episodes, Ahsoka trying to get that.
She gets it, but then she can't spin it to align the symbols to open it up, so she has
to call in her artist friend, who is Sabine Wren.
And Sabine Wren looks at it for a little bit and opens it up, but doesn't record anything,
and then it gets stolen.
And then, but there's these bad people, but they're not really Sith, but they go and call
themselves Jedi, but they're not also really Jedi.
And then they spend a lot more episodes basically fucking around.
I feel like Dave Filoni built that set with the Sith Stonehenge on that rocky cliff with
the red trees in the background.
And he's like, look, I blew my entire wad of cash on this thing.
We're going to shoot every fucking episode here.
And then they finally end up hitching a ride with these space whales and go to this planet
to find Ezra, and Thrawn is there.
And Thrawn's like, I don't really care if we find Ezra or if the Jedi, you know, Ahsoka
finds the people or not.
And then five minutes later, he's like, we have to at least send out a couple people
after them, but not too many because we're still loading stuff onto our ship.
And they also have another Sith Stonehenge there, which I felt was kind of the same set,
but they just changed the backdrop.
I don't know, saving money, I guess.
And then Thrawn is like, here, Sabine, why don't you just fucking take a wolf thing and
go find Ezra?
And so she does, and he's living among the hermit crabs.
And so that was cool, I guess, if you like hermit crabs.
And then Ahsoka gets there on a space whale ride, hitchhike ride, and goes there.
And then they're like, they've got all these stormtroopers because Thrawn was back on his,
he was like bipolar.
Like one minute he wanted to leave them alone and just load up their stuff and get out of
there because he's been stranded there for 10 years.
Because this takes place after Rebels and after Return of the Jedi.
No, hold on, Nate.
Are we clear that it is actually 10 years or is it some time later?
He said he's been stranded there 10 years.
I don't know.
Does it matter?
Well, when we start to make complaints, I'm going to complain about the very first and
the very second scenes of the very first show.
Yes.
Judging by the size of the shells the hermit crabs were in, it was at least eight years,
but potentially up to 12 years because hermit crabs will change shells every, I think, eight
to 12 years.
There we go.
They were cute.
And then, so anyway, they find everybody and then everybody reunites and it's supposed
to be some happy moment, but there's all these stormtroopers coming.
And so Sabine is like, here, take your lightsaber back, Ezra.
And Ezra's like, I don't need that.
I have the Force.
And she's like, we'll take a blaster.
He goes, I have the Force.
So then there's a whole 10 minute montage of Ezra Force pushing people in kind of a
really lame way.
And then they go to raid Admiral Thrawn's ship because he decided not to leave, I guess,
or not to move the loading slightly higher than a Jedi could jump or something.
And then of course he takes, then he has to go build a new lightsaber with David Tennant
robot.
And they had, I feel like it was kind of a nice moment where he was like, the only other
person who used this part was Kanan, which was his teacher.
But you'd only know that if you had watched Rebels.
And then at the end of it, Ezra gets on board with some mumbo jumbo hocus pocus stuff with
Thrawn and goes back and meets up with Hera.
And then Ahsoka and Sabine, the two non-sith-sith, non-inquisitor inquisitors, are also on the
planet somewhere in Rivendell or something.
And then Thrawn is back in the main galaxy and Ahsoka's like, well, okay, everything's
cool.
But then it ends and you don't know anything about anything.
I don't know, maybe that's a bad summer because I'm kind of colored with my-
That was perfect.
And it was, it could have been three episodes.
The eight episodes could have been cut down to three episodes.
Easily.
Well, I feel like this is what they should have done.
Instead of doing three episodes chasing the magic ball, maybe don't have a magic ball.
I don't know.
But if you have it, spend so little time on it, give everybody a half hour recap of what
happened in Rebels because everybody who's a fan who had already seen Rebels would lose
their shit seeing everyone, I'm talking everyone, Kanan and everyone live action, even if it's
for one scene or two.
And then I don't like how Ahsoka got there by having Mr. Bad Back defeat her in battle.
And I understand the actor was sick and it's not supposed to be a slight on him and he's
dead now.
And so it's not supposed to be a slight on him, but like Balin, Mr. Bad Back Sith Lord
or something defeats Ahsoka Tano.
But I liked that episode with her and Hayden Christensen going through like the Clone Wars.
And I feel like that was good for like Soul Searching for her because then her character,
that was like the fifth episode or something out of an eight episode series.
And she didn't really feel like Ahsoka until after that episode.
Yeah, it was goofy.
But can I ask, I got a question.
When I saw the episode, I was kind of thinking, oh boy, like we're gonna, I don't know, we're
gonna find what's really special about Ahsoka.
That's what I was thinking that it was going to be about, like her being somehow the extension
of Anakin.
I don't know, I was thinking deeply about it.
Like, what are we going to learn about this?
And it was cool because we got to see the Clone Wars.
But when I'm analyzing in the psycho spiritual way, or the philosophical way, whatever you
want to call it, I'm like, wait, what was that all about?
Was that just to show us the Clone Wars and how cool that is and have Hayden Christensen?
Or was there something?
I think partly, but I think the bigger subtext of that episode was Ahsoka was distraught
because her master who's supposed to teach her the Jedi way is really, was really teaching
her to be a weapon of war.
And that was the whole dichotomy.
That is something that I got out of that.
Yeah.
Well, what I got out of it was that and the whole Clone Wars series was about how the
Jedi had stopped being the Jedi and started just being warlords, basically.
Yes.
Because who the hell sends out like 10 year olds with lightsabers to go and kill people
in battles?
Well, and if you notice, like in the Clone Wars, even in the prequel trilogy, any Jedi
is automatically given the rank of general.
Right.
But they're not going to be a stormtrooper.
A Jedi is a general and a padawan is a commander.
Right.
So you're telling me like anything that, Anakin said some vague things to Ahsoka.
Don't remember right off the bat that made me think like her inner person or whatever,
like in that way.
Other than what we get from what you just mentioned, in regards to Ahsoka, was there
a message or was it just about the fact that they were used as weapons of war?
Does that make sense?
It does make sense and I don't know if I got a deeper message.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I feel like it was kind of Ahsoka's inner turmoil.
I mean, and if you had seen Clone Wars, you would know all about her betrayal and how
Anakin was the only one who stood up for her and she left the Jedi Order of her own choosing,
even though they tried to kick her or they kicked her out and then they wanted her back
and she's like, absolutely not.
So I don't know if it was actually, if she was actually interacting with Anakin's force
ghost or if she was just having like an internal crisis of conscience, you know, and remembering
Anakin in those situations.
So I guess that part's kind of open to interpretation.
After the episode where we got to see her experience in the Clone Wars, I was like,
you know, no wonder these people get disillusioned with the Jedi Order and then they go to the
other side, like Count Dooku, for example.
Yeah.
And...
Well, and I think that that's a...
Here's my thoughts and I want to put this up out front is for a long time, I was Ra-Ra,
Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau, right?
Up through, because they were the ones that did Clone Wars and Rebels and they did Mandalorian
and I was not thrilled with Book of Oba Fett, which they also did.
I was not thrilled with season three of Mandalorian, but they were always in the past.
They were operating in this like this gray space.
So they're almost operating as a Sokatano.
She's not a Sith.
She's not a Jedi.
They're operating in this gray space and I feel like Kathleen Kennedy is like the great
eye of Sauron.
Didn't notice them because they were kind of operating in this gray space, but then
they started getting more popular than all of the stuff that she was like had her fingerprints
all over.
You know, they were more popular than the sequel trilogy.
And so finally, Dave Filoni is like, well, I'm doing my Ahsoka thing.
Finally that's great.
And Kathleen Kennedy swooped down and put a whole bunch of stipulations on him.
I don't know for sure, but this feels like this is a Kathleen Kennedy like bullshit thing
to me.
Do you feel like, I mean, the people, I don't know.
She's done a Star Wars fan.
It depends on who you ask.
The Force is female somehow.
I don't know if you knew that.
She was-
Wasn't that the whole thing about her though?
She was like George Lucas's, was she like his secretary or like production assistant
Mike?
Do you remember?
Yes.
Yeah.
She was involved with both George Lucas and Steven Spielberg and their productions.
I do see her name on like the latest Indiana Jones film.
She was one of the producers on that.
So she was like-
She was given the nod by George Lucas when he handed the company over to Disney.
Yeah.
So she was heavily involved with the creative process of like the real Indiana Jones and
the real Star Wars and all of this.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
She's got legitimate credentials.
She was involved with-
That's how uneducated I am about her because the only person like Star Wars theory who
I listen to, he has what to say about her.
So I was under some false impressions as to who she was.
Well, I feel like she's able to hate Star Wars from the inside.
You know what I mean?
Right.
People like to poop on her because-
When she makes all these decisions.
Yeah.
She's led the company down in a downward trajectory, but realistically she was a great choice.
She's got a lot of experience, especially with the original productions.
So she was highly qualified.
Her politics seemed to get it in the way of getting good stories, unfortunately.
Yeah.
So some of the things, I mean, there's quite a few things that bother me about, it was
boring, right?
Can we all say that?
Yeah.
It was boring.
Yeah.
It was slow and boring.
So the one scene when they landed, I don't remember where, but they landed somewhere
because it doesn't matter.
Who cares?
They landed somewhere.
And then David Tennant droid was like, I got to go fix some panels outside.
And then all these, were they robots or storm troopers or something?
And then Sabine and Ahsoka went out with lightsabers blasting.
And that was a great scene.
And I was like, holy shit, I want more of this.
And then David Tennant is like, well, don't split up.
And then they split up, of course, because they have to.
But I liked the Anakin episode.
And so it was kind of like, but that was the fifth episode.
I'm like, man, they only have three left.
And by the time we got down to the seventh episode and knowing that it was a mini series
and there's only going to be eight episodes, I'm like, nothing's going to be wrapped up.
They just don't have time.
Unless it's like a three hour finale, you can't wrap everything up.
It's just going to be...
So I don't understand.
Everybody who worked on the show understood it was an eight episode thing.
So it's mind boggling you'd waste three episodes on a magic map ball and one whole episode
of Sabine in the hospital.
She should have been fucking dead.
You get stabbed in the guts with a lightsaber by somebody who is supposed to be a force
powerful person.
And you, Sabine, is not force capable.
She is just a Mandalorian.
She is now, Mike.
She is now.
At the end.
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
But I don't know why they...
But I'm glad they finally did the same thing that they do to these male characters from
these legacy or these canon movies, and they just hamstring Sabine.
Sabine is supposed to be a weapons expert.
She doesn't miss shots.
She's a Mandalorian and she's back there plinking away in the back of Ahsoka's ship and can't
hit Jack's shit.
It bothered me.
And it's like, she can't do anything with any of her stuff.
She has to try and use the force now.
She should be a badass bitch regardless of force sensitivity or not.
Well, I mean, she's a Mandalorian who's a commander in the rebel military because she
spent her entire life up to that point fighting the Empire.
And she can't shoot some fucking TIE fighters down in a ship that she fought in for 10 years.
How is that even possible?
You know what I mean?
That doesn't make any sense.
And then Ahsoka has to go out and lightsaber a TIE fighter.
I mean, come on.
Lightsaber a TIE fighter down?
That's stupid.
Yeah, I don't know what I watched.
I told Nate this after I finished the last episode.
I was like, what the heck's going on?
I don't know what's going on.
I can tell you I watched the Ahsoka show, but I can't tell you like, you know, the lore
of it.
What's going on?
There's so many things that were like, I felt were unanswered for whatever reason.
And they wasted a lot of time.
And I saw this.
I wasn't reading reviews.
I don't have that much attention.
I just see some headlines and was like, oh, they got critics already?
Come on, they need to give it a chance.
But every time I was like, Nate was like, they're wasting time.
And I was like, they are.
They're wasting time.
And then they were not specific on purpose.
So the first scene of the first episode, they said Ahsoka Tano was a former Jedi Knight,
which is a lie.
She was not a Jedi Knight.
And I immediately I knew the tone was going to be wrong because they've already said something
that is clearly not canonically accurate.
Right.
I mean, I kind of chalk that one up to like people weren't sure anymore because it's been
a while since there's been Jedi.
But it got but when she didn't correct them, because in all the other series, she would
correct everybody the instant that slipped out of their mouth like, oh, you're a Jedi.
Like, I am not a Jedi.
So like, that's when I knew the tone was off when she didn't correct anybody.
Because everybody, everybody in the past series had made that mistake of calling her a Jedi.
And she's always quick to point out that she was not a Jedi.
And I think she even didn't she point out she wasn't a Jedi in Mandalorian?
Yes, she did.
So why the change now?
This takes place at the same time as Mandalorian, doesn't it?
Yeah.
Yes.
From what I understand, basically post victory for the rebels after Ahsoka, by the way, just
fought a war for 20 years as an agent of the rebel forces.
Right.
Fulcrum, fulcrum.
Yeah, she's fulcrum.
Hello.
You know, I thought that the Ahsoka show was going to be about her adventures as fulcrum.
Well, even if it's the fine Thrawn and Ezra, that's fine.
But my God, you wasted three episodes on a map ball.
You know, you have eight episodes.
You wasted three of them on the map ball.
You made maybe like two decent episodes, one good episode.
And then you introduced hermit crabs, which are fucking stupider than the Ewoks.
Like just put Ewoks back in there then.
God damn it.
Give me the Gungans.
I don't need fucking hermit crabs.
They need cute stuff for kids to buy toys of.
I guess, but like the whole reason Ezra wasn't even wasn't around was because he was going
to go learn more for shit from the fucking Space Wales.
And so like when we when we see Ezra, he's supposed to be as badass as Luke is in Return
of the Jedi.
Like he's supposed to be that fucking badass.
He's supposed to be as badass as Luke in the season two finale of Mandalorian, where he
force crushes robots and he just goes in and kills everybody and does everything badass
with the force.
And then we get Ezra and he's like, I'm going to force push people.
I don't need a lightsaber.
You should have been studying for the 10 fucking years, not dicking around with the hermit
crabs.
It's goofy.
You know about the Ahsoka Jedi thing.
Like my love was so blind when I first heard that I was trying to rationalize it lore wise.
I was like, well, you know what?
They could just been she probably didn't want to get technical and say, well, you know,
I'm not really a Jedi.
Like maybe that's why I was trying, but it bothered me.
But I was just like trying to rationalize it.
My buddies like it makes sense.
You know, maybe it was just the lingo, but dude, it's bad writing.
Like you can't call him syndrome, bro.
Kathy and Kennedy's got you.
And I was like, oh, that's so true.
But you know, Ahsoka still the love of our lives.
The real Ahsoka.
The cartoon Ahsoka.
Yeah.
Well, I just like I say, and then the second the second scene of the show, they said, oh,
we're going to celebrate these people.
And Sabine was there and Harrow was supposed to be there.
She wasn't there.
Yeah, she was in the cruise down the highway.
Yeah, exactly.
They had a weird Tom Cruise scene.
Yeah.
Anyway, shot of Sabine's asses is integral to the plot, I assure you.
Yeah, it's so goofy.
She's like a 30 year old person that can't handle any responsibility, but they're like,
oh, they pushed the empire off of this planet many years ago.
I'm like, many years ago.
What kind of what?
That's not a time.
Yeah, but I say that.
Yeah, but like Thrawn was like, I've been stranded here for 10 years.
And I think Ezra was like, I've been here 10 years or something.
But that also like brings up to the question.
And this is the same for most sci fi movies.
So don't like except for maybe Interstellar.
But most sci fi movies are like, hey, I'm on this planet.
I'm on that planet.
The planet is going to be any size and the days are always the same and the gravity is
always the same.
So you know, like, yeah, Ezra, I was here 10 years.
OK, was that 10 whatever the fuck this planet years is or 10 like, course, not years or
what are we talking here?
Is that 10 actual years?
Is it 12 years?
Is it nine years?
Right.
Like, yeah, like, who knows?
I'm convinced that I bring up.
Oh, go on, Simha.
Sorry.
No, I was going to say I'm convinced that Star Wars fans can write.
Star Wars better than Star Wars.
Well, that's why I was so excited about this series, because Dave Filoni created Ahsoka
and it should have been all of his his stuff.
And Dave Filoni has not ever been this fucking sloppy in any of his other things, even Bad
Batch.
He hasn't been this sloppy, right?
He's been like on point.
So it was really like a slap in the face to have Dave Filoni this sloppy.
Well, and on writing on staying true to the characters.
That he created and he developed full disclosure, Simha, Nate and I got together after about
the fourth episode.
And we rewrote the show using all of the things they wrote and turned four episodes into one.
And we cut out Sabine getting stabbed with a lightsaber because that's idiotic.
If a lightsaber can cut the whole plating of a fucking spaceship.
Dude, that's how Qui-Gon died.
So we know.
Right, the ghost is like raising his eyebrows.
What the heck?
I wish I was a pansexual force sensitive Mandalorian.
I've Dyrth Maul.
A non force using Mandalorian 30 year old woman.
Well, going against a 16 year old woman, to be fair.
Right.
60.
She shouldn't even have been using a lightsaber.
Right.
She's a Mandalorian.
She should be, you know.
No, she shouldn't be.
And the blonde should have had a lightsaber with training wheels on it or something.
And where do all these force users come from?
They're all supposed to be dead.
That's the whole story.
Order 66 apparently was the worst executed plan ever.
You get all these fucking force people out here.
You've got enough to make three more canon movies, I guess, with Rey Skywalker and some
kid that can move a broom, but it was never developed later on.
And then you've got enough Jedi for Ahsoka to fight.
And it's like, well, she should just be going after Thrawn and Thrawn should be a master
tactician, not, you know, trying to play tic-tac-toe with a screwdriver shoved in his frontal lobe.
Like, what was that all about?
He's supposed to be some master tactician.
And now he's like, oh, it's okay if the Jedi get away.
Nah, let's send a couple of TIE fighters after him.
But if they destroy the TIE fighters, I don't care because we're just loading up stuff by
China collection in case the Queen visits.
And then he's like, nope, we've got to send out a couple of squads of stormtroopers to
fight them.
But we got to get out of here soon.
Like, everything's working to plan because we're just delaying them.
Like, we don't want them here.
But they have a lot of member berries.
Yeah, we don't want them right here.
We don't want them right here specifically where we are.
But we're not going to send out our entire force because I'm going to go back to the
real galaxy that has real stormtroopers, not these dead fucks.
I don't want them here, but I'm not going to send out my entire force.
I'm not going to just carpet bomb where they're at.
We know where they're at.
They're with the fucking hermit crabs.
I hate those hermit crabs.
They come and I have to clean my boat before I go to the next lake or else I'm spreading
invasive species.
They don't carpet bomb them and they let Ezra on board.
But then why is Ezra back in the main galaxy better than Ahsoka and Sabine back in the
main world?
Like, it doesn't make any sense.
The whole thing doesn't make any sense.
Can we do are we about halfway with the cigar?
Yeah, I'm about halfway.
Can we do thoughts on the cigar?
And then I want you two to indulge me in something that's a complete natism.
And Mike will probably know what I'm talking about.
Simha you probably know, except I've never called them natisms with you.
I like the cigar.
It's very good developing as well as the other one did at a smaller size.
So I think it's lovely.
This cigar has helped me through a lot.
Helped me to cleanse my palate of what I've been experiencing with something I love so
much as Star Wars.
Yes, I needed the dark leathery flavor.
Sometimes you just need some some dark leather in your mouth hole, you know.
You know, in all Star Wars, I have a lot to talk about.
But when it came to Ahsoka, I was worried because my original thought was I'm coming
on this and I'm going to like talk great about it.
But when I had when reality set in, I was like, what am I going to talk about?
I was thinking of it all day.
And right before I got on, I was like, I matured because of Ahsoka.
Like I had this whole thought process that that's what I'm going to say, because I was
blinded by my love.
I mean, I certainly had super high expectations because up until this point, Dave Filoni has
put out some of the greatest Star Wars content that's remained canon, you know, even after
George Lucas sold it.
Like all of those books and those series and things, all of those were moved to the extended
universe, but Dave Filoni's Clone Wars and Rebels remained canon.
And Mandalorian season one and two were really, really good.
I really liked that.
And this was kind of like the first like failing of Dave Filoni.
And that's why I'm curious.
Is he just tired of fighting for everything or is he or did Kathleen Kennedy turn the
Sauron eye onto him and say, look, you do it my way or you don't do it at all.
And I know he's got one of the three movies that are coming out for Star Wars and apparently
it's going to tie up Ahsoka and Mandalorian will be there.
And I think even Bad Batch and it's going to like wrap up some of these storylines.
But then it's like, but then now you're just doing the Marvel thing.
Like if you're going to have an eight part mini series about Ahsoka, have it have a start
and an end.
You can have a little cliffhanger, but you can't present all of these things to the eight
episodes and then not answer a single goddamn one of them.
I think the theory.
Oh, go ahead, Simha.
No, I was going to say I have a feeling this is not Dave Filoni's fault.
I'm George Lucas said he created a myth because myth means something.
It's timeless.
It means something to people.
And even though he wasn't the best writer himself, I know I read a little bit about
his background and that was coming from him as a person appreciating lore and myth and
meaning.
And I think I'm afraid certain things have kind of lost that.
And I suspect it's who he's involved with.
Let's put it that way.
Rather than himself, if he did such good in the past.
Yeah.
And I mean, I guess like people do change too, but I would be inclined to agree with
you and say that it's probably the association that he's surrounded with.
And if he wanted to do a movie and he's going to get one of three movies because they canceled
a bunch of Star Wars movies.
If he's got one of the slots, I'm sure he had to do some things to ensure that he gets
one of those movies.
But I'm still not happy about it because then it's the Marvel thing.
And they did that with Book of Boba Fett where they slipped two episodes of Mandalorian into
Book of Boba Fett.
Are you worried about the future of Star Wars?
I honestly don't give two fucks about the future of Star Wars.
I've got my fan edits of the prequels that I really enjoy.
I've got the fan recreated original trilogy series and I've got Clone Wars and Rebels.
So I'm happy with that.
That's plenty of content for me to go back and rewatch.
That's like asking me, am I worried about the future of the fifth element?
No, I've got the fifth element.
I'm happy with it.
I don't need the sixth element or whatever.
Well, I guess I was saying, I don't know, that it would ever lose its fun, but it probably
already has.
It has lost its fun.
And also-
The stuff I enjoy hasn't lost its fun.
You know what I mean?
Right, right.
Am I going to be clamoring to get the next like, oh, let's follow that.
And Mike, you might know the name and somehow you might know the name too.
The Rat Eared thing from Jabba's Palace.
When he gets his series, am I going to be clamoring to watch Jabba's fucking rat thing?
The series?
No, I'm not going to be clamoring for that.
I don't care about that.
The stuff I enjoy, I enjoy it and I like it.
And I did like the moments and I got so upset because I liked that Hayden's back as Vader
and Anakin, but I got upset with Obi-Wan.
I liked the second and final fight between him and Obi-Wan, but it's Hayden Christensen,
but he's in a suit.
And then this one is Hayden Christensen, but he's not in the suit.
But they de-aged him digitally.
And I'm like, just let him be Anakin.
His force ghost can be any age it wants to be.
It can be anything it wants to be.
You know, it doesn't matter.
Just let him be Hayden.
Like don't don't digitally de-age him.
Just let him be him and be Anakin.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I agree.
I did appreciate we got to see that like Clone Wars style Anakin.
Yeah.
That episode with the dream sequence was the only good episode.
And it was because it was basically a Clone Wars slash Rebels episode that was live action.
Yeah, that's why I was good.
I loved seeing Hayden Christensen, the actor, the person call her snips, actually be able
to interact with her in live action.
You know what I mean?
Like this is the first time they've interacted live action.
So I thought that was really cool.
Can I take a brief detour into a natism?
OK, that's fine.
I want to.
Can I close this?
Yeah, you finish first, Mike.
You finish first.
Because I think that Filoni was pressured by Kathleen Kennedy.
And I think there's evidence in the show.
The last episode was called The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.
It wasn't The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.
It was.
Yeah, it was the Jedi, the Witch and the Warlock or something like that.
The statues from Middle Earth.
Yeah.
And then they fucking had wargs, right?
Those wolf things are just wargs from Lord of the Rings.
Yeah.
And then they're writers, like they're warg writers.
And then at the end of the episode, fucking Ray Stevens is at the gates of Gondor or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's like the kings of Gondor.
He's like Gondor calls for aid and I will answer.
Exactly.
Like I think that it's like definitely the eyersaw Ron is coming down and staring at
him, but he's throwing all this Lord of the Rings and C.S. Lewis like Narnia stuff in
there.
It's like pointless.
I don't understand it.
Yeah, makes no sense.
Other than like he's just trying to hint, right?
Yeah.
Well, so we know where everybody is except for Shin, except for the blonde non-Jedi non-Sith
apprentice.
They want to just kind of like, you know, but like we don't I guess we don't have to
know where she is.
But in terms of like finishing up all these storylines, they didn't finish up a single
goddamn one.
No, I mean, like she's raising a lightsaber.
The the what is it?
Ukrainian model who is now apparently a furnace with a lightsaber is raising a lightsaber
at a group of war riders on the plains.
Amen.
The force is female.
Anyone can be a force user if they just believe in themselves and try hard.
OK, look at that go along.
The midi-chlorians are in your heart.
She's not.
She's not a Mary Sue.
That's the Disney message of Star Wars.
Been inside you all along.
Yeah, I can.
I can levitate my my cigar if I just grab it.
If I just at least they equally screwed over a legacy character who was a woman just like
they've been doing all the male characters.
I mean, yeah, because Sabine was a great character.
Finally doing it right.
We've come full circle, I guess.
I kept thinking they were going to have some kind of weird like lesbian tension between
Ahsoka and Sabine and like why would they do that?
I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah,
I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah.
it was even trying to train her in the first place when even the David Tennant droid was like
She does not have the force. She will never have the force and then you know
Like I mean they had all these like weird moments
But it was just to draw out time and they never did anything with it
I'm like well
Just do the lesbian kiss thing then and let's get the awkwardness out of the way so we can just get back to the storyline
Then but I guess that wasn't what it was. So who knows like nobody knows
That would have ruined the whole show for me
It was like a it was like a show about nothing about people doing nothing somehow
NC 17
hardcore half an hour love scene in
The Starship would have made that episode that would have I would have man this fucking show already down
I already downloaded the porn parody and it's way better
Yeah, that would have ruined it before for me because Hera I mean not here sorry Sabine is as his girl
That's why I would have ruined it for me
Kind of but ruined it for me is when she shows up and meets Ezra and there's like fucking stormtroopers coming, right?
She they spend half an episode or saying oh, let's not talk about it yet. Let's just sit here in silence
Yeah, and then like he apparently told him everything
Well what I really did not like and this is how I this is my proof that Kathleen Kennedy's
Stanky eye is on Dave Filoni is when Ezra goes so they killed the Emperor and Sabine goes
Well, some people think so and so that's the only that's the first time day any of Dave Filoni stuff
even Mandalorian stuff with Lizzo of all people has touched on the sequels and
That's a that's an oblique reference to well somehow Palpatine's back, you know
They need to forget about this the sequels. Yeah, the quicker that project and like, you know make it like legends
I don't know. Well, and I heard a theory
they were going to recut the sequel trilogy with deleted scenes deleted stuff into a
mini series and that would replace the sequels in canon
But I don't know I can't imagine they have enough good footage to do that because none of the three directors talked to one another
About what their plot was going to be so they're gonna build up anticipation and we're gonna be having a podcast
You know, we're gonna be on this podcast again talking about exactly what we talked about with these over show
Yeah, we're gonna say yeah, so we were supposed to watch this new Star Wars thing, but we fucking didn't so let's talk about
fertilizer using my grass seed
Let's talk about my trip to
Split Rock lighthouse
I
Want to say one of the one of the biggest things I had an issue with in the series
so, you know, we've got the they get the fight room right like the training room on a soga ship and
They had that whole like super tense and really interesting training montage where soga went around and it was like tapping Sabine
Or whatever and she had the blind ear thing on but they didn't have the zappy droid
It's like I don't know the zappy droids kind of fun
Like it was fun watching Luke get zapped and he squealed like a little girl every time he got zapped by that thing
With obi-wan watching on the Millennium Falcon, but instead of like zapping her which I feel is like
Should be a thing because that's just fun to watch people get zapped
I mean, that's why people getting tased is so fun to watch but then so they have this training room
So they're like apparently like training in there. They're sweating in there. They've got their shoes on in there and then what happens?
The dining room table comes out of the floor and then they're drinking tea off of it and like eating food off of it and stuff
Like this is your floor. You've been training and sweating on this floor
Do you have David Tennant droid like wipe down this table?
Like I just it's like when mr. Rogers started saying he was feeding the fish because he had blind
Blind girl wrote in and said please tell me when you're feeding your fish
I don't want them to starve and so you know, he would always say I'm now feeding the fish
Well, if you're going to have the floor of your training room also be your dining room table
Please just show one scene of somebody wiping that thing down. I think we've all become better writers things to Star Wars
Nate that is a natism a hundred percent
I didn't even think about that
It bothered me so bad and she's like looking at that cup trying to move it with the force and like that cup is sitting on
Some nasty ass shit right now
Like I didn't see anybody wipe this thing down
Like I don't need to think about the caramel upper apple vendor in hocus pocus 2
I don't need to think about the blue milk economy from
The Star Wars sequel trilogy and I don't need to think about a circus training room floor
That is also her dining room table
All I could think about the whole time is how could a master Jedi on the council die from a lightsaber fucking to the chest?
But a Mandalorian chick with no force powers who is a legacy character granted and I like her
How did she survive this attack that kills everybody else? Yeah
What was the does anyone know what the deal that green flaming sword thing was?
That that which that wasn't a witch but then became a witch later
Dratham ear which like what the fuck was that thing? They just wanted to have a cool sword because they had a actress who?
Was training martial arts, so they had to have her have a sword fight and they didn't want to give her a lightsaber
They finally had one woman one actor who knew how to handle a sword the lightsabers battles were shit
Like they needed to use CGI. It's a speed up. That was lightsabers
And that 80 year old woman was like kicking ass
Right I posted about that on Facebook. I was like come on Disney. You can do better lightsaber battles in this
have you guys ever seen the fan cut where they have
The behind-the-scenes battle between Alec Guinness and Darth Vader before Darth Vader strikes him down
Which is what you see in the movie is it called Obi-Wan versus Darth Vader reimagined? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's like awesome
It's like I said something Nate. I think it's it was so cool
Yeah, some fucking dude did that on his laptop or you know in the library
Literally anybody can do better than what fucking Disney is doing
Yeah, some guy is like a I don't know a hobby project did that just to be cool
And it's better than what we got well and some guy and I told sim how about this but some guy and he's doing this
He's doing
He's doing Star Wars
Revisited or something like he's got I think it's revisited
He's got a whole website and he will take donations
But he is making the original trilogy special edition as it should have been
meaning not changing and adding in a
Significantly smaller CGI model of Jabba the Hutt in a hangar bay than what we see like a movie later
but he's going in and cleaning up all the the CGI stuff and he's putting in some of the special edition stuff like the
The the much cooler cloud city backgrounds and things but he's like filming he's filming in his apartment
He's filming like the snow speeder flaps
Going up so he can he can superimpose them into the scenes on the Battle of Hoth
Because you can see the flaps go up in in the exterior shot, but you don't see him from the cockpit shot
So he's putting the flaps in the background and he's also the last thing I read his last update was he's recreating the Han Solo and
Carbonite model to be in the same shirt that he was frozen in and de-thought in but it's not the shirt that he's
Seen in in the carbonite model in the movie. So interesting. He's he's just doing this for he's like
This is what George should have done with it instead of all these like added ridiculous scenes
Let's let's stage a coup. Yeah
Let's take the coup. Let's look all of us. Well, whatever people support the cause take over
right, so I think Star Wars has
given me very little sympathy for the writers strike that's now resolved because
If if if the writers are giving us a Soca
Then stay on strike. We don't need you for anybody listening who has not seen the show
Watch is the episode 5 look it up the one where a Soca has her like fever dream with Anakin because that's pretty decent
Yes, that's and then watch only decent one
Yeah
Watch the last episode only because my Sarah like had to stop herself from throwing her art project
She was working on at the TV because it made her so mad that they referenced Narnia and Lord of the Rings
In such a shitty story and then I don't know if you guys noticed this but it bothered me
They got on these wolves that are basically wargs from Lord of the Rings and they ran towards a starship
And yeah, the starship was bombarding them and they somehow survived the attack which doesn't make any sense
Somehow I mean it's ridiculous. It's
And you have Thrawn who is supposed to be a master tactician
Right, and he's like, hey, let's just hang out here and tell the Jedi that aren't Jedi get here and somehow try and thwart our plans
Even though they never really thwarted their plans
But they weren't all stranded like I guess he wanted them to be but if you wanted them to be stranded
Then send all of your people after them and let them fight them and then just abandon them and all your people like who cares?
You're going back to stormtrooper land
What was weird with the weird gold face stormtrooper? I don't know. I thought he was gonna be Ezra. I know there were a lot of people that
That were that were hoping who was it? There's some character in like star wars lore might be exciting
universe like the abeloth who can reanimate the dead and everything and
People were like, oh they're on the planet. They're the force originated from this like mystic being or this whatever
But they never really like they didn't wrap anything up with that or they didn't even give enough like
hints that it could be anything other than now the
Balin is having to hike to a volcano to destroy a magic ring
Yes
So they weren't inquisitors
No, they had an inquisitor they they showed an in real inquisitor, but they were not inquisitors
Do you know how inquisitors became to be other than like the excuse of the people who wrote them in?
They were safe from order 66 because they were disillusioned with the jedi order as it was
And so they were saved and palpatine. I guess used that their disillusionment
To like basically make them sith without making them sith
That's what I heard. That's the rule of two. I think that's cool
These two weren't inquisitors though because well, they didn't have the inquisitor lightsaber spinny thingy
But balin said something like he expressed his disillusionment with the jedi order and I was like
That doesn't mean anything
Huh? That doesn't mean anything in this
Because obviously they don't care about canon. And it's still like he expressed his disillusionment with the jedi order
He expressed it. They just know, huh?
I said this this series didn't care about anything that's uh in canon
Before this came out if they were inquisitors, they would they would have one
What even in obi-wan riva was an inquisitor, wasn't she? Yes
And she had the inquisitor blade like the the circular
lightsaber thing
I was just kind of like these two were not inquisitors
They were disillusioned with the jedi and no but nobody knows what they were doing because they never bothered to explain it
Right. And balin was always like balin's like i'm gonna leave you here because I have my own mission
But he never explained what it was except to destroy the one ring and yeah
And shin was like well i'm gonna go become a warlord with these other people that are not tusken raiders
But you know kind of sort of are tusken raiders and we're gonna wage war on the hermit crabs
Because that seems like a good thing to do. I was just kind of hoping that they would like they were introducing uh,
you know balin and shin as some like
Like I don't know how to describe it like not inquisitors
But like what were they like I thought they were kind of introduced to concept
Well thron called them mercenaries and I think that's probably as an accurate as description as we're ever going to get
Because now that actor now that actor's dead, so he's not going to be in whatever movie
for dave feloni and
There's not going to be enough time because if dave feloni is going to tie in all of his other projects into this movie
There's going to be like 57 main characters
So everything's not going to get wrapped up and I think that's my biggest problem with asoka is they can do whatever they want to do with asoka
But I said even after the first episode I told my sarah. I said this is an eight episode miniseries. There is no season two
Why why are they wasting this much time?
And then to have eight episodes and have nothing wrapped up
That doesn't even make any sense like that's the worst writing that anybody could ever possibly do
The end of episode eight could easily have been the end of episode two or three five
Like make that the end of episode five you have three episodes to to bring closure to a lot of these storylines and set something else up
But at least you have kind of like we found thron thron's back. We're back. We got away from the hermit crab planet
We're back. We rode the whales back or something or we I don't know what we stole a klingon
Cruiser and slingshot it around the sun and now we're back because we stopped ourselves in the past from ever going there in the first place
Or something and we brought back a humpback whale just for fun and like they could do that and then still have a cliffhanger
But at least have the main points of this miniseries wrapped up
Do you think that um
they are
Licking their wounds with the disaster they were not expecting and whatever or do you think that they're going to try to
Somehow some way due to the actors passing like connects and dots
You think they're just gonna lick their wounds and we'll never hear
I don't think they're gonna do that because they didn't do that with carrie fisher. They had they literally had
Princess leia floating unprotected out in space
They already knew carrie fisher was dead before the movie came out. She's floating out in space
Unprotected and they still chose to have her mary poppins force herself back into the
ship and be alive like you already the actress is already dead
Before you edited this movie you could have had her die right there like on screen whatever and bring just closure to the character
Yada yada. She sacrificed herself blah blah blah. No, we want her. We we don't give two shits about luke
Or han solo. We're gonna have her who's also not a force user in some of the extended universe stuff. She is
But nowhere in the movies was she ever a force user then she's gonna use the force to get herself back on board a ship
And be fine and issuing orders in like the next five minutes like that's the stupidest thing i've ever seen and you already know
She's dead. So what how are you gonna film the next movie?
Well, you're gonna use shitty cgi to make it happen
So that's what we're gonna expect from the dave feloni movie. I guess is baylon's back
But it's gonna be deleted scenes from this series and it's gonna be terrible
The de-aging was not the best at times either for hayden. No, not at all
And it's like who just let hayden be hayden for once
Come on like you brought him back to do this like just let him be him
I don't care if he looks like a farmer. It's it's an anacond forest ghost. It can look like anything
He can just say oh, I thought this was a I thought this was a less intimidating
For him to assume and then leave it at that like who cares right or like if or he could have said
Had I chosen a different path snips, this would be what I look like. You know what I mean?
And then leave it at that because that's philosophical and it doesn't answer a whole lot and it leaves the viewer to wonder
It puts questions good questions in your mind. Like yeah, what if anakin didn't hate san so much?
Maybe he would be a chubby farmer
Maybe he'd be maybe he'd be on a podcast about cigars. Who knows
Exactly, and he is a farmer
That's I mean that was somehow that's a joke that I just told nate point. I mean he is a he is a farmer
So he looks like a farmer. He just does right?
But why not just let him be you know, a 40 50 year old farmer guy with a fucking jedi costume on
I mean at this point who cares like we just we're glad he's back and he agreed to do this
Just give us hayden. We don't need to see him with all the de-aging and the vader
Mask and everything and but yeah, I mean that episode was my favorite episode. I think of the series it made me desire
more interactions at some point in lore with with anakin's force ghosts
Because like I don't know. I learned about darth revan and he was you know, uh, you know about darth revan. I know
He was a jedi and then he became a sith and then he went back to being a jedi
But he didn't go to the temple because he was kind of ashamed and he was a
Jedi but he didn't go to the temple because he was kind of ashamed and he got married and basically the concept is
He's balanced because of it like that's balance
If that makes sense at all
like he thought the the jedi council was wrong for marriage like for
Prohibiting that type of attachment and so because of it and what he did he's it's balanced
Makes it like the ideal force user
I guess i'm trying to say
Yeah, I mean i've seen a lot of like fan theories about maybe that the
Well that the jedi council basically caused the clone wars
I mean, you know and palpatine but their hubris, I guess
kind of forced other events into into action and
Had they just said like
Yeah, you know what anakin fucking mary padme who gives a shit?
Then they wouldn't have darth vader. You know what I mean? I've seen the meme where it's like
Anakin, why don't you just leave the jedi order and become my personal bodyguard slash husband?
Yeah, and then it's like they're not going to take your force powers away
Yeah, they're not going to take your force powers away and they're certainly not going to take your lightsaber so yeah or the uh with
Was it samuel jackson where he like straight up when anakin's like he deserved a trial and he's like no motherfucker
And then it's like, okay. Well you do that. Give me one thing
I just want to marry padme or get her medical care because she's pregnant and then he's like that's an odd request
But that's okay. And then it's like written and directed by george lucas
I love those. Yeah, but do I mean is a force ghost first off like a conscious being or is that like some sort of?
imprint like is that anakin as he is now the next that's the next phase of the force because
Uh yoda was hinting at that teaching
Obi-wan at the end of the sequel trilogy about how to channel that to become a force ghost later
I thought anakin was gonna tell asoka like who he is now or say something like that
But see this is this is me as somebody who's obsessed with star wars. This is the stuff i'm looking for
You know
So I was kind of like we know obi-wan became a force ghost because he was a force ghost in the original trilogy even before the sequels
Came out and he was an active participant, right?
Like he was actively like that's right, you know when when luke was going down the trench in the x-wing, you know
Use the force trust your instincts. Don't use the targeting computer like he was an active
participant in events because anna or luke's first instinct was to use the computer the targeting computer
And I don't I don't feel like that was him remembering the stuff obi-wan would have said
And then when at the end when he had obi-wan the force ghost and then anakin's force ghost at the end
I felt like those were them in the force afterlife
Witnessing the events as they were unfolding, you know, and especially when in the in the prequels
Yoda was saying like obi-wan I can send you somewhere where you can learn
stuff and
To touch to tap into that kind of like force ghost stuff like there was some reference in there about that
Hmm also in the last episode they had anakin's force ghost in the distance on the magic planet with yeah
After I can remember it was before or after the little brother ring scene with ray, but uh ray stevens not ray
The lady ray ray skywalker. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah
Ray pal that was very sweet anakin and asoka the second when I was showing my children the those scenes
I started to think wow, this is really sad. It's like bittersweet
But yeah, I pretty much liked all the asoka and anakin interaction stuff and it could have just been a full mini series about that
It could have been a lot of things. It ain't almost anything else would have been better. This was pathetic
Yeah, yeah, I wanted the I wanted fulcrum. That's what I wanted
I want him to fill the gap before the mandalorian and after
The asoka book that I sent you nate, you know where it's like that was a good book
Yeah, I wanted the fulcrum years explained well and even if they just hinted at the fulcrum years
But there was no mention of fulcrum whatsoever and it was just like asoka is
Lame like she didn't do anything. She didn't have any strong desire
She wasn't even in most of the episodes, you know, like a majority of the episodes
Right and the politics did make sense either because they're like, yeah
Oh asoka is gonna go and chase down these force users and she says the throns back
They're like, well who cares what she says? It's like bitch. She's fulcrum. That's why you care. This is her job
Well, but also like who cares because she doesn't really she's not a jedi and she's not a sith
So she doesn't really have to listen to anybody's bullshit
And then they have c3po come in and be like leia gave her her consent to this thing
And then it's like that scene took forever and it's like I don't need c3po in this
You know like have chopper come in and say fuck you to everybody like that's my job
I'm not gonna say fuck you to everybody like that's more in character than anything else
Right, dude. I'm such a fan boy when c3po came on. I was like, oh
Sarah was excited until she heard what c3po said and she's like that is so lame
That is so lame what is the point of any of this like isn't that green woman supposed to be an important person
Yeah, just let just let harry do what harry does like she's already proven herself
You don't need to have a whole like senate inquiry into her actions
Like just let her let her go like you've won the war. What what why do you what do you need her for here?
You don't have other people that can pilot an x-wing and blast imperial scum. You know what I mean? Like
Right the political interactions like made me think that this is just another government that's
gonna make people disillusioned and it's gonna cause you know, that's where
That's what they want you to think so that yeah
So that they can set up the sequel trilogy and somehow try and salvage the sequel trilogy by retconning a whole bunch of shit
Yep, I had to say guys my fingers are burning. I don't know about yours. Mine too. Yeah mine too
Bottom line. We love it. Coco. She's our girl and
Watch the clone wars clone wars are great. Watch rebels rebels is great
I like the general concept of the adult soca soca but like i'm just really you know
Kind of hoping that if the soca continues in any way shape or form in the whole series and the whole franchise
That they do it. They you know, they stay true to the soca that we fell in love with
Right. I set the bar so low with this series for me to hold out any hope on that
But I think the important thing is is that we all love star wars
We don't love everything that star wars has put out for sure
And we've got strong ideas of what this could have been or should have been and we were left
Disappointed let's take over coup attempt right? Yeah, I was very disappointed because they shit all over
All of the good characters they've had since the original series basically
Yeah, they've been shit shit on her because she wasn't here until like the sixth episode, right?
They should unspeak they should on a soca because she wasn't a soca until after the fifth episode
And then they should unsabeen because she was i'm just gonna say borderline retarded for the whole series basically. Yep. They should unthrown
They should unthrown
Because like he like I feel like I could beat him at tic-tac-toe
Like after this new move this new series like tactician my butt
Right, they should on Ezra. He couldn't think himself out of a paper bag. It's like oh you witches
Can you get me out of this paper bag and they'd be like, yeah, sure. Here's the opening and he'd be like splendid
Now I will destroy those Jedi or not because i'm trying to load my ship. But how long does loading take?
I don't know. I never thought about that. Yeah, and they should on Ezra
They kind of shit on the hermit crabs, too
But the hermit crabs are weird. Yeah, I mean I it's fine. They're trying to sell toys
It's okay
But like but like what?
Like Ezra has to have companions. He can't just be chilling with space whales. You know what I mean?
Like you already have the space whales you could sell space whale plushies all day long
Ezra with the full power of the force and like uh, I thought he was gonna be like the force beast that they found
In the desert, you know what I mean? Like if he was like the force beast then he could be with the crab people
That's cool. I don't care who he's chilling with as long as he's a badass Jedi motherfucker
You know and then he's like the warg warriors the warg writers come up and the little orc band and he like forces him into
Nothingness or whatever
You know
He just like he like he like snaps his fingers and they cease to exist and then like sabine's like what did you just do?
And he's like, oh, I just snuffed out their life flame. No big deal. And then you'd be like, holy shit
But no instead of that, what do we get? We get a soga tonneau fondling the goddamn fucking
Magic map ball and like ooh sabine went with them willingly. Oh, I have memories from this this ball has memories
So what the ball now also can tell you where thron is that nobody else knows nobody knows where thron is
But somehow this magic ball knows where thron is and knows that sabine went with these people willingly
But yet when they when obi-wan kanobi hands luke the youngling slayer 2000
He doesn't say wow this killed a lot of kids. He's like, oh cool
Right, right. Yeah, this killed a lot of sand people and children. Yes
The women too and separatists and not just the men but the women and the children too
Yeah, like come on like you're just inventing force things now because your writing sucks
They can't follow the rules
Right rules are what give sci-fi and fantasy stories legitimacy. You have to follow the rules internal to the story
Yeah, you can't just have whatever rules you want, but then you have to follow them, right?
That's the limitations are why it's interesting to watch them overcome
it's
so I I know I mentioned a few times when I listen to star wars theory when i'm hungry for star wars and
uh
Long story just google star wars theory versus disney
um, but you know
I listened to quite a bit of a stuff and I would like love to talk to that guy that guy is
I mean, he's very passionate. He made a fan film about darth vader
Well done and they were supposed to be like, you know
It was a short film
But it was very good and he was trying a bigger project and I guess something happened disney
They don't have a good relationship. Let's put it that way
Yeah, yeah, i'm sure now that disney owns it
They don't have a good relationship with anybody that wants to do any fan fan stuff with star wars
But he was he did such a good job. Yeah, I like that. You sent me one of the shorts. That was good guys
Should talk to star wars theory one day. I couldn't listen to that all day
Yeah
We'd be happy to well
Video the guy was like
In tears his face. He was I mean it's the whole thing. He's very passionate. Maybe that's kind of like
The same wavelengths I am
Not in like a weird obsessed way. I don't have much paraphernalia. I'm just saying like, you know, yeah
Well, uh, so I guess that's the ask then uh, keith and dev if you know the star wars theory guy
Hook us up. We'll talk to him. Yes, he can pick the cigar. Yes, we will get it
Or you know if he wants us to guest on his podcast
We'll still smoke a cigar and we'll just mention it at the inopportune times
I want to at least touch the sleeve of the shirt. Okay. No, that was a joke
Hey, man, whatever you're into you we can't we can't judge anymore
Yeah, i'm not judging one thing one thing kathleen kennedy told told us is if we judge then we're the toxic star wars fan base
So asoko was great. I love it. Go watch it consume put on your sunglasses
And uh keep disney in power forever
Do not watch it. Don't waste your time if you're trying to like, you know thinking it's gonna build on lore
Yeah, I was I was I was kind of like and i've seen rebels
But i'm guessing the large populace of people that watched asoka because of her brief cameo in mandalorian
Had not have not seen rebels and to not do any sort of
Catch up like here's 15 minutes of the summit
15 minutes of the summation of what happened in rebels and who these characters are I feel like this is a huge disservice
Like even as somebody who's seen rebels i'm like just doesn't have to be long
But you don't need three episodes on the map ball give us give us like
15 20 maybe half an hour on a summation of rebels at the first episode
And then let's rock and roll my sarah was totally lost about why she was supposed to care about sabine or harrah
She had no idea why harris kid was just a human with green hair like she's she that threw her off
She's like, you know, there should be some more indications that this is her biological child, right?
Like and that threw me off too. I'm like what the fuck?
Like half alien half human or whatever, you know
Yeah, it was awful. So many things something different
They need to change the title and then make a real series called asoka and give us what we want
Call this one call this one. Um star trek 3 the search for thron or something
If this adult asoka is to exist in the star wars universe
The way her young self has let's explore that man
That's all that's what i'm saying. Give us a show about her
Right. Yeah. That's like almost like this one is like sabine
This one should just be called sabine. Yep. Yeah
No, I do appreciate that the obi-wan was about obi-wan and they did you know feed my craving for
Him and what happened between him and anakin
Why did he know the princess leia?
Yeah, there's a lot of problems with obi-wan. I think
I will the best the best my favorite parts of obi-wan were his like introspection on his failings as
Anakin's yeah teach that's what I like
But everything else is pretty dumb because it's like he's hanging out with leia
And then like luke is there and luke in the original trilogy is like tito means so boring
I just want to leave but he's like running for his life from an inquisitor
But they have to make luke still think that means boring. So what's the best solution for that a concussion, of course
so, I mean that's a super lazy writing, you know, like just
Can just like you can do obi-wan you can have him be introspective
But don't involve luke and leia just have him go and try and find one of his jedi buddies who he thought was
Survived order 66 like just these small little tweaks would make these things make a lot more sense
It did make for some good means
Well, yeah instead of trying to pigeonhole them into everything else
You know what I mean? They they're pigeonholing everything into everything and it's like the marvel universe now
We gotta watch everything to understand anything. I'm fine with that
But they have to have to produce good content if that's going to be the case, you know
Yeah, it's they're taking vast liberties with that style of and everything's got to be self-contained
If you're doing a mini series, it's got to be self-contained
I guess like the obi-wan thing was self-contained because the plot with him and leia
Resolved at the end, but there was no resolution in asoka at all
Like zero resolution of anything that nothing was done
What I can I I can I can sum up the whole story
They found out that thron and ezra were in a different universe
They went to that other universe and they swapped places
Yes, and then they had a bunch of iconography from movies and franchises that are infinitely superior to the show
And it's like infuriating
Yeah, very frustrating. Well, my cigar my fingers are burning as well
Yeah, but like there's like so much we could like for days on this
like that's
For days it's all gonna be this name shit just whining and complaining about how bad it was basically
before this open show
the hoop the person I was would have like
Philosophized all the things they didn't resolve like I would build on these philosophies and theories, but I had reality check
It's just bad writing. I don't need to bust my brain on like, you know connecting to I enjoy doing it
That's why I do it. I'm saying, you know
It's I mean we all enjoy like I mean even if it even if they shit all over our favorite stuff
It's still enjoyable to go and like break it down and like explain why it was bad or how it was bad
Or what we would have done different or better
So I guess like in that sense it was a win, right?
If they want us to talk about it and they want us to be like passionate about it
But when we say it sucks and here's like three things you could have done just out of the gate to make it better
And then they will call us toxic like we're the toxic fan base now. Like that's not that's not what we're about
I mean, it's supposed to be just have civil conversations about stuff
Okay. Yeah, I'm all for a Soca and Sabine going around and having adventures like that would have been great. But
Sabine doesn't need to be a fucking Jedi. That's ridiculous. It's
Stupid what I would love to see because they already had a live-action
The blue guy sorry spacing Ron no no blue guy the from rebels not thrown
As those bunkmate Oh Zeb Zeb. They already had him in Mandalorian for a brief scene
What I wanted was instead of a Soca and David Tennant droid to be Jonah
Or Pinocchio and Geppetto or whatever the fuck in the whale whoever's all in Wales
Like I don't know. It's weird. That's happened twice, right like with Jonah and Pinocchio
And now a Soca what would be for Hera to come and say look, I've got Zeb. I've got chopper
We've got Sabine and we've got a Soca and we're gonna go wreck shit in Thrawn's galaxy and like have a rebels reunion
And go wreck Thrawn's face and then and then get Ezra back and it'd be like the full
Reunion at the very end and that would have been the end of the series
You've got all the rebels characters there and a Soca and they wrecked face on Thrawn and then we're good
Yeah, they could even have left Thrawn alive on the planet just with no one else
You know or something or he escapes if they wreck face on the wizards or the witches and then they chase him back
And they're like, okay, we got this and then they go and then it roll credits and then the movie picks up with that
Right, like right that's fine with me, but at least there's some resolution
There's some like we actually did something instead of just swap places
Yeah, it was a complete like I say if you have not watched it and you were listening watch the fifth episode
Which is really cool interesting and then if you really want to
Know how shitty it is watch the last episode and that will give you a very good idea of how bad all the other episodes are
Yeah, the cool thing about watching the fifth episode because it has none of the other characters
It's just a Soca and Anakin and then you can watch the last episode you'd be like who are all these characters and it doesn't matter
I never really explain who they are. Anyway in the eight episodes. None of them are important. Really? They're all losers. So yeah
Yep, I don't my Sarah's i'm having her watch the clone wars with me the
Cartoon and she's like these Jedi were not very nice
I'm like no, they weren't there's a reason why everybody wants them gone
Like everybody hates them more or less other than the Jedi
So yeah, not that you would know that by modern star wars
You know, but you know, it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like
You know, but they really don't want to talk about political context. That's for sure
The community leaders failed anakin. It was a failure
On the people that were the leaders
They saw something as a threat fear of attachments
like they
Some I don't know. They saw it as a threat and I think that was a big wrong and how they handled all that
Yeah
when I don't know that um, because there's certain religions that have uh,
Like I I know
Um, it was I watched a documentary it was called like monk with a movie camera or something and it was about this guy who?
became a monk or not monk with a movie camera, but like monk with a camera because he was a photographer and
Uh, they said no, you can't have any attachments
But they and he was ready to give up his camera
They kind of like encouraged him to keep his camera and to take it out
not frequently but like to take it out every once in a while and still do some of his photography stuff because they
Realized that even though this might be a a worldly possession
Attachment it still did his soul good. So they understood that and
I thought I read something somewhere where george lucas might have said like the jedis
Rule against attachment isn't that you can't actually have attachments, but you need to put them
You need to understand that you could lose them at any time
More of a thing than like don't have them at all. You know what I mean? Right? Yeah
That and like if the force is passed down through
Offspring you would want your jedi masters to procreate frequently. Wouldn't you?
You would sure think so you would sure think so
Yeah, that's true
But I think we have to give our disclaimer like none of us are jedi jedi masters
So we don't know consult your local jedi master. If anything we said local competent jedi master. Yes
That's what they say here contact your local competent orthodox rabbi, yeah
That's great, you know, like when I when I have something
Express the good turn that's concerned to my spiritual mentors or whatever
Not like a real concern like whatever is going on in my life
Like every answer is catered to who what's going on my kids and whatever and all the things that come about that
I got neurodiverse children
The answer is based on like
my situation as opposed to like
How they handle anakin. I don't know if this makes sense how they handle anakin was they they didn't
They were just trying to give him the dogma and didn't really meet him where he was at. I'm trying to say yeah for sure
Well, they're also in the middle of like the largest war in the history of star wars
Right. There's layers of uh, and and and and they kind of said yeah, we're we're this huge
War. So of course anakin we we can't give you the help you need
But they were they stuck with their weird like pragmatic dogma and they were like well we grant you a seat on the council
But you're not a master. Well, don't you make exceptions in wartime? Like come on like what's your problem? What's your big deal?
Right. He's one of your more successful
Commando style generals. Yeah, like you got to throw him a bone, right? He's out there slaughtering people on behalf of your cause
potentially the most famous
Warlord you have so
That's kind of how the system works. The only one more famous than than him is rudolph
Anyway guys i am done. Yeah, we should probably wrap this up because we could like simha said we have days of content we could
Oh, we could just
converse about uh, but thank you simha for
I was saying thank you simha for uh being a guest on our soka recap review episode
We still love you asoka. Just never forget that we we have faith
We love you how we remember you
We love the memory of you she's our wife
I thought i'd be more angry about the fact that I don't like the show but it was just so bad
I just was massively disappointed and I couldn't get mad. I was like, this is just disappointing
Well, it's disappointing that it kind of fell in with the
rest of the disney star wars series that have come out
Yeah, and their casting was great. Rosario. Dawson's wonderful. All the actors. I thought were well cast
Yeah, I had no problem with any of the actors. No. Yeah, they they they just wasted resources
Like I didn't even mind because some people were like well thron is too fat like well, I don't care who cares
That's the guy that that did his voice in rebels. So
He's not too fat. He's not too fat
He's been on a weird planet for 10 years planet. He's been eating nothing but hermit crab for 10 years. Okay, you eat her
Another cigar because I gotta like a thousand more questions
Well, let's wrap this episode and then if we would if we want to sit and talk we could talk for a little bit longer
But absolutely. Thanks for listening. Be safe. Have fun. Have a good night