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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Nate.

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And I'm Mike.

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And I'm Simcha.

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So, what are we smoking tonight?

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We are smoking a Rocky Patel Vintage 1990.

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We have smoked one of these before, first season, but this is a different size.

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This is a little bit smaller than the original one that we smoked.

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And little bit smaller, that's a cigar aficionado term, right?

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Yes, yes it is.

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This is what looks to be like a 6 inch by 50 gauge, I mean, I guess.

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And the one we had before was a little bigger and a little longer.

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You can say girthier.

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You're not going to be...

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Girthier, yep.

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So we're testing whether the size difference changes our perception of how good the cigar

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is.

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Yeah, I wet the cap and I certainly gagged less with this smaller diameter, so that's

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a plus.

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Easier on your pride.

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Yeah, yeah, I don't have to open my jaw, like unlock my jaw as much.

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Are you doing just one V-cut, Mike, or are you doing multiple?

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I'm doing the double.

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Alright, I think I'll go with the one, I think it's just a little narrow, but...

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It is small enough, I thought, I considered it.

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Alright, is everybody ready to light on up?

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Is there?

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Alright, let's do it.

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Wow.

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So first thoughts on this one, anyone?

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This was everything I was imagining it would be.

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I'm not an aficionado.

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I mean, I enjoy cigars and I got plenty of friends that smoke them, so, you know.

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But this was everything I was hoping it would be.

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Nice.

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Like with the flavors, like I've tried different ones and just with the...

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I don't know how to like...

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I don't know how to describe it.

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It's all good.

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We're, hopefully, we're a podcast for entry level or people that want to get into the

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cigar thing.

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We try not to keep things...

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Too complicated.

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Yeah, we try not to get too complicated with everything.

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It's like a dark taste.

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That's the best way I can describe it.

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Earthy, maybe?

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Maybe not earthy.

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I'm getting a lot of wood and a lot of leather.

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Ah, there you go.

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Yep.

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I mean, I've tried really leathery ones, so that's why I didn't want to say leather, but...

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It's not a bad leather taste by any means, but it's kind of got that roundness to it.

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It's a good cigar.

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Yeah, I think it starts out good on my end, too.

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What does everybody pair in their cigars with?

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Oh, yes, yes.

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I'm doing the Hop Valley Stache Bandicute Hazy Imperial IPA because I figure if I'm

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tired after the weekend, I might as well get a little extra tired with some high octane

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brew.

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Nice.

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And you, Simmo?

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Unfortunately, nothing at the moment.

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I didn't like, you know, we just finished like a crazy month and I lost my lighter.

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I've been scrambling to look for it, I mean, until we lit up.

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I mean, that's been a little crazy, but...

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Just the cigar.

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I didn't go out today, other than work a little bit.

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Sure.

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I have a Castle Danger Scotch Ale that I picked up directly from the manufacturer today, and

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then I have some whiskey from the distillery in Duluth.

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Hey, there you go.

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I just spent a month drinking whiskey.

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Nice.

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I'm giving myself a break.

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Perfect.

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Yeah, because you just...

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We've been talking, well, Simmo and I have, and Mike and I talk, the three of us don't

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talk frequently altogether.

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What do we do?

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We record it, I guess.

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But you just wrapped up, you read through the entire Torah, right, each year?

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And so you just now restarted at Genesis 1-1, right?

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Yeah.

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And it's a whole month long celebration, three holidays.

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Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, and Sukkot is what they're called.

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But you only see two of them on a regular calendar.

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But it's like, it's crazy.

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It's the craziest...

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It's always amazing, but it's always really hectic and it's really crazy.

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Well Nate got to hear a lot about it.

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Yes.

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Sounds like being Jewish in Chicago is a lot of fun.

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Yeah.

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I was pouring shots of whiskey and giving blessings to my ex-wife.

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She was there and we're giving each other blessings and taking these shots.

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Everyone's dancing, it's loud, it's like an atmosphere.

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And we don't have our phones for those days.

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So we're not aware of the outside world.

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Sure.

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So it's a real amazing experience.

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But my tolerance went through the roof and I got really full of whiskey.

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Yes.

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I feel like we all should have maybe gotten full of whiskey before talking about what

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we're going to talk about this episode.

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We are doing the long-awaited recap, I guess you would say recap or review of the Ahsoka

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mini-series.

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Now, off the bat, I heard a rumor somehow that you liked this show.

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You know what?

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I've matured as a human being.

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The Ahsoka Show helped me mature as a human being.

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It was a real journey.

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It was a real journey.

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Okay.

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So, Nate got to be a part of that journey because the first two episodes I saw, I thought

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it was really freaking awesome because they built a pipe for it.

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I heard about it when the Mandalorian Season 1 came out.

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One of my kids said it.

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I don't know where they got that info, but apparently it's been anticipated for quite

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a while.

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Because basically, we're going to see the characters from Rebels.

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I watched the heck out of Rebels.

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It was a slow start, but once I got into it, I binge watched it.

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So I realized quickly, very quickly, that I was blinded by love.

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I'm so happy that you've come to the dark side.

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Use your hate.

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Should we do a quick recap of the Ahsoka Series before we get into it, you think?

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I know it's one thing Dave Filoni did not do for anybody who hadn't seen Rebels.

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He just launched into what he thought people wanted to see, I guess.

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I don't know.

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I'll take a stab at it, and then either of you two can correct me if I'm wrong.

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We've got three episodes, the first three episodes.

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Ahsoka is kind of there mostly, and she's looking for this magic ball map thing.

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And this magic ball map thing.

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She's looking for the MacGuffin, yes.

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Yes.

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The magic ball map thing somehow knows not only where Grand Admiral Thrawn is, because

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he left at the end of Rebels, and so did Ezra, but also knows where Ezra is.

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And this magical ball thing knows exactly where these two people are in all of everything.

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And so they spend three episodes, Ahsoka trying to get that.

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She gets it, but then she can't spin it to align the symbols to open it up, so she has

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to call in her artist friend, who is Sabine Wren.

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And Sabine Wren looks at it for a little bit and opens it up, but doesn't record anything,

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and then it gets stolen.

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And then, but there's these bad people, but they're not really Sith, but they go and call

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themselves Jedi, but they're not also really Jedi.

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And then they spend a lot more episodes basically fucking around.

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I feel like Dave Filoni built that set with the Sith Stonehenge on that rocky cliff with

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the red trees in the background.

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And he's like, look, I blew my entire wad of cash on this thing.

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We're going to shoot every fucking episode here.

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And then they finally end up hitching a ride with these space whales and go to this planet

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to find Ezra, and Thrawn is there.

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And Thrawn's like, I don't really care if we find Ezra or if the Jedi, you know, Ahsoka

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finds the people or not.

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And then five minutes later, he's like, we have to at least send out a couple people

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after them, but not too many because we're still loading stuff onto our ship.

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And they also have another Sith Stonehenge there, which I felt was kind of the same set,

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but they just changed the backdrop.

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I don't know, saving money, I guess.

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And then Thrawn is like, here, Sabine, why don't you just fucking take a wolf thing and

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go find Ezra?

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And so she does, and he's living among the hermit crabs.

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And so that was cool, I guess, if you like hermit crabs.

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And then Ahsoka gets there on a space whale ride, hitchhike ride, and goes there.

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And then they're like, they've got all these stormtroopers because Thrawn was back on his,

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he was like bipolar.

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Like one minute he wanted to leave them alone and just load up their stuff and get out of

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there because he's been stranded there for 10 years.

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Because this takes place after Rebels and after Return of the Jedi.

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No, hold on, Nate.

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Are we clear that it is actually 10 years or is it some time later?

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He said he's been stranded there 10 years.

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I don't know.

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Does it matter?

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Well, when we start to make complaints, I'm going to complain about the very first and

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the very second scenes of the very first show.

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Yes.

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Judging by the size of the shells the hermit crabs were in, it was at least eight years,

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but potentially up to 12 years because hermit crabs will change shells every, I think, eight

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to 12 years.

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There we go.

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They were cute.

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And then, so anyway, they find everybody and then everybody reunites and it's supposed

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to be some happy moment, but there's all these stormtroopers coming.

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And so Sabine is like, here, take your lightsaber back, Ezra.

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And Ezra's like, I don't need that.

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I have the Force.

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And she's like, we'll take a blaster.

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He goes, I have the Force.

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So then there's a whole 10 minute montage of Ezra Force pushing people in kind of a

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really lame way.

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And then they go to raid Admiral Thrawn's ship because he decided not to leave, I guess,

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or not to move the loading slightly higher than a Jedi could jump or something.

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And then of course he takes, then he has to go build a new lightsaber with David Tennant

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robot.

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And they had, I feel like it was kind of a nice moment where he was like, the only other

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person who used this part was Kanan, which was his teacher.

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But you'd only know that if you had watched Rebels.

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And then at the end of it, Ezra gets on board with some mumbo jumbo hocus pocus stuff with

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Thrawn and goes back and meets up with Hera.

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And then Ahsoka and Sabine, the two non-sith-sith, non-inquisitor inquisitors, are also on the

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planet somewhere in Rivendell or something.

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And then Thrawn is back in the main galaxy and Ahsoka's like, well, okay, everything's

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cool.

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But then it ends and you don't know anything about anything.

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I don't know, maybe that's a bad summer because I'm kind of colored with my-

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That was perfect.

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That was perfect.

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And it was, it could have been three episodes.

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The eight episodes could have been cut down to three episodes.

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Easily.

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Easily.

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Well, I feel like this is what they should have done.

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Instead of doing three episodes chasing the magic ball, maybe don't have a magic ball.

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I don't know.

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But if you have it, spend so little time on it, give everybody a half hour recap of what

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happened in Rebels because everybody who's a fan who had already seen Rebels would lose

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their shit seeing everyone, I'm talking everyone, Kanan and everyone live action, even if it's

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for one scene or two.

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And then I don't like how Ahsoka got there by having Mr. Bad Back defeat her in battle.

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And I understand the actor was sick and it's not supposed to be a slight on him and he's

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dead now.

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And so it's not supposed to be a slight on him, but like Balin, Mr. Bad Back Sith Lord

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or something defeats Ahsoka Tano.

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But I liked that episode with her and Hayden Christensen going through like the Clone Wars.

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And I feel like that was good for like Soul Searching for her because then her character,

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that was like the fifth episode or something out of an eight episode series.

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And she didn't really feel like Ahsoka until after that episode.

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Yeah, it was goofy.

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But can I ask, I got a question.

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When I saw the episode, I was kind of thinking, oh boy, like we're gonna, I don't know, we're

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gonna find what's really special about Ahsoka.

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That's what I was thinking that it was going to be about, like her being somehow the extension

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of Anakin.

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I don't know, I was thinking deeply about it.

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Like, what are we going to learn about this?

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And it was cool because we got to see the Clone Wars.

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But when I'm analyzing in the psycho spiritual way, or the philosophical way, whatever you

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want to call it, I'm like, wait, what was that all about?

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Was that just to show us the Clone Wars and how cool that is and have Hayden Christensen?

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Or was there something?

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I think partly, but I think the bigger subtext of that episode was Ahsoka was distraught

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because her master who's supposed to teach her the Jedi way is really, was really teaching

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her to be a weapon of war.

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And that was the whole dichotomy.

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That is something that I got out of that.

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Yeah.

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Well, what I got out of it was that and the whole Clone Wars series was about how the

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Jedi had stopped being the Jedi and started just being warlords, basically.

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Yes.

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Because who the hell sends out like 10 year olds with lightsabers to go and kill people

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in battles?

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Well, and if you notice, like in the Clone Wars, even in the prequel trilogy, any Jedi

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is automatically given the rank of general.

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Right.

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But they're not going to be a stormtrooper.

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A Jedi is a general and a padawan is a commander.

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Right.

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So you're telling me like anything that, Anakin said some vague things to Ahsoka.

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Don't remember right off the bat that made me think like her inner person or whatever,

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like in that way.

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Other than what we get from what you just mentioned, in regards to Ahsoka, was there

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a message or was it just about the fact that they were used as weapons of war?

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Does that make sense?

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It does make sense and I don't know if I got a deeper message.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I mean, I feel like it was kind of Ahsoka's inner turmoil.

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I mean, and if you had seen Clone Wars, you would know all about her betrayal and how

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Anakin was the only one who stood up for her and she left the Jedi Order of her own choosing,

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even though they tried to kick her or they kicked her out and then they wanted her back

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and she's like, absolutely not.

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So I don't know if it was actually, if she was actually interacting with Anakin's force

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ghost or if she was just having like an internal crisis of conscience, you know, and remembering

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Anakin in those situations.

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So I guess that part's kind of open to interpretation.

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After the episode where we got to see her experience in the Clone Wars, I was like,

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you know, no wonder these people get disillusioned with the Jedi Order and then they go to the

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other side, like Count Dooku, for example.

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Yeah.

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And...

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Well, and I think that that's a...

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Here's my thoughts and I want to put this up out front is for a long time, I was Ra-Ra,

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Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau, right?

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Up through, because they were the ones that did Clone Wars and Rebels and they did Mandalorian

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and I was not thrilled with Book of Oba Fett, which they also did.

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I was not thrilled with season three of Mandalorian, but they were always in the past.

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They were operating in this like this gray space.

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So they're almost operating as a Sokatano.

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She's not a Sith.

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She's not a Jedi.

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They're operating in this gray space and I feel like Kathleen Kennedy is like the great

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eye of Sauron.

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Didn't notice them because they were kind of operating in this gray space, but then

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they started getting more popular than all of the stuff that she was like had her fingerprints

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all over.

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You know, they were more popular than the sequel trilogy.

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And so finally, Dave Filoni is like, well, I'm doing my Ahsoka thing.

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Finally that's great.

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And Kathleen Kennedy swooped down and put a whole bunch of stipulations on him.

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I don't know for sure, but this feels like this is a Kathleen Kennedy like bullshit thing

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to me.

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Do you feel like, I mean, the people, I don't know.

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She's done a Star Wars fan.

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It depends on who you ask.

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The Force is female somehow.

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I don't know if you knew that.

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She was-

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Wasn't that the whole thing about her though?

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She was like George Lucas's, was she like his secretary or like production assistant

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Mike?

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Do you remember?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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She was involved with both George Lucas and Steven Spielberg and their productions.

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I do see her name on like the latest Indiana Jones film.

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She was one of the producers on that.

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So she was like-

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She was given the nod by George Lucas when he handed the company over to Disney.

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Yeah.

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So she was heavily involved with the creative process of like the real Indiana Jones and

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the real Star Wars and all of this.

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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She's got legitimate credentials.

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She was involved with-

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That's how uneducated I am about her because the only person like Star Wars theory who

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I listen to, he has what to say about her.

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So I was under some false impressions as to who she was.

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Well, I feel like she's able to hate Star Wars from the inside.

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You know what I mean?

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Right.

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People like to poop on her because-

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When she makes all these decisions.

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Yeah.

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She's led the company down in a downward trajectory, but realistically she was a great choice.

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She's got a lot of experience, especially with the original productions.

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So she was highly qualified.

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Her politics seemed to get it in the way of getting good stories, unfortunately.

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Yeah.

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So some of the things, I mean, there's quite a few things that bother me about, it was

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boring, right?

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Can we all say that?

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Yeah.

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It was boring.

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Yeah.

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It was slow and boring.

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So the one scene when they landed, I don't remember where, but they landed somewhere

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because it doesn't matter.

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Who cares?

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They landed somewhere.

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And then David Tennant droid was like, I got to go fix some panels outside.

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And then all these, were they robots or storm troopers or something?

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And then Sabine and Ahsoka went out with lightsabers blasting.

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And that was a great scene.

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And I was like, holy shit, I want more of this.

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And then David Tennant is like, well, don't split up.

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And then they split up, of course, because they have to.

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But I liked the Anakin episode.

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And so it was kind of like, but that was the fifth episode.

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I'm like, man, they only have three left.

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And by the time we got down to the seventh episode and knowing that it was a mini series

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and there's only going to be eight episodes, I'm like, nothing's going to be wrapped up.

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They just don't have time.

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Unless it's like a three hour finale, you can't wrap everything up.

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It's just going to be...

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So I don't understand.

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Everybody who worked on the show understood it was an eight episode thing.

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So it's mind boggling you'd waste three episodes on a magic map ball and one whole episode

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of Sabine in the hospital.

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She should have been fucking dead.

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You get stabbed in the guts with a lightsaber by somebody who is supposed to be a force

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powerful person.

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And you, Sabine, is not force capable.

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She is just a Mandalorian.

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She is now, Mike.

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She is now.

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At the end.

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Yeah, it's ridiculous.

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But I don't know why they...

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But I'm glad they finally did the same thing that they do to these male characters from

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these legacy or these canon movies, and they just hamstring Sabine.

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Sabine is supposed to be a weapons expert.

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She doesn't miss shots.

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She's a Mandalorian and she's back there plinking away in the back of Ahsoka's ship and can't

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hit Jack's shit.

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It bothered me.

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And it's like, she can't do anything with any of her stuff.

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She has to try and use the force now.

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She should be a badass bitch regardless of force sensitivity or not.

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Well, I mean, she's a Mandalorian who's a commander in the rebel military because she

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spent her entire life up to that point fighting the Empire.

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And she can't shoot some fucking TIE fighters down in a ship that she fought in for 10 years.

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How is that even possible?

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You know what I mean?

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That doesn't make any sense.

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And then Ahsoka has to go out and lightsaber a TIE fighter.

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I mean, come on.

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Lightsaber a TIE fighter down?

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That's stupid.

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Yeah, I don't know what I watched.

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I told Nate this after I finished the last episode.

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I was like, what the heck's going on?

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I don't know what's going on.

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I can tell you I watched the Ahsoka show, but I can't tell you like, you know, the lore

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of it.

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What's going on?

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There's so many things that were like, I felt were unanswered for whatever reason.

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And they wasted a lot of time.

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And I saw this.

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I wasn't reading reviews.

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I don't have that much attention.

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I just see some headlines and was like, oh, they got critics already?

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Come on, they need to give it a chance.

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But every time I was like, Nate was like, they're wasting time.

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And I was like, they are.

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They're wasting time.

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And then they were not specific on purpose.

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So the first scene of the first episode, they said Ahsoka Tano was a former Jedi Knight,

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which is a lie.

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She was not a Jedi Knight.

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And I immediately I knew the tone was going to be wrong because they've already said something

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that is clearly not canonically accurate.

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Right.

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I mean, I kind of chalk that one up to like people weren't sure anymore because it's been

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a while since there's been Jedi.

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But it got but when she didn't correct them, because in all the other series, she would

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correct everybody the instant that slipped out of their mouth like, oh, you're a Jedi.

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Like, I am not a Jedi.

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So like, that's when I knew the tone was off when she didn't correct anybody.

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Because everybody, everybody in the past series had made that mistake of calling her a Jedi.

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And she's always quick to point out that she was not a Jedi.

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And I think she even didn't she point out she wasn't a Jedi in Mandalorian?

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Yes, she did.

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So why the change now?

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This takes place at the same time as Mandalorian, doesn't it?

436
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Yeah.

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Yes.

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From what I understand, basically post victory for the rebels after Ahsoka, by the way, just

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fought a war for 20 years as an agent of the rebel forces.

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Right.

441
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Fulcrum, fulcrum.

442
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Yeah, she's fulcrum.

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Hello.

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You know, I thought that the Ahsoka show was going to be about her adventures as fulcrum.

445
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Well, even if it's the fine Thrawn and Ezra, that's fine.

446
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But my God, you wasted three episodes on a map ball.

447
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You know, you have eight episodes.

448
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You wasted three of them on the map ball.

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You made maybe like two decent episodes, one good episode.

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And then you introduced hermit crabs, which are fucking stupider than the Ewoks.

451
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Like just put Ewoks back in there then.

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God damn it.

453
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Give me the Gungans.

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I don't need fucking hermit crabs.

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They need cute stuff for kids to buy toys of.

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I guess, but like the whole reason Ezra wasn't even wasn't around was because he was going

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to go learn more for shit from the fucking Space Wales.

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And so like when we when we see Ezra, he's supposed to be as badass as Luke is in Return

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of the Jedi.

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Like he's supposed to be that fucking badass.

461
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He's supposed to be as badass as Luke in the season two finale of Mandalorian, where he

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force crushes robots and he just goes in and kills everybody and does everything badass

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with the force.

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And then we get Ezra and he's like, I'm going to force push people.

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I don't need a lightsaber.

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You should have been studying for the 10 fucking years, not dicking around with the hermit

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crabs.

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It's goofy.

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It's goofy.

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You know about the Ahsoka Jedi thing.

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Like my love was so blind when I first heard that I was trying to rationalize it lore wise.

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I was like, well, you know what?

473
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They could just been she probably didn't want to get technical and say, well, you know,

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I'm not really a Jedi.

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Like maybe that's why I was trying, but it bothered me.

476
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But I was just like trying to rationalize it.

477
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My buddies like it makes sense.

478
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You know, maybe it was just the lingo, but dude, it's bad writing.

479
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,920
Like you can't call him syndrome, bro.

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Kathy and Kennedy's got you.

481
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And I was like, oh, that's so true.

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But you know, Ahsoka still the love of our lives.

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The real Ahsoka.

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The cartoon Ahsoka.

485
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,240
Yeah.

486
00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:03,360
Well, I just like I say, and then the second the second scene of the show, they said, oh,

487
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:06,160
we're going to celebrate these people.

488
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,120
And Sabine was there and Harrow was supposed to be there.

489
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:10,120
She wasn't there.

490
00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:13,200
Yeah, she was in the cruise down the highway.

491
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,200
Yeah, exactly.

492
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,160
They had a weird Tom Cruise scene.

493
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,160
Yeah.

494
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,160
Anyway, shot of Sabine's asses is integral to the plot, I assure you.

495
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,160
Yeah, it's so goofy.

496
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,880
She's like a 30 year old person that can't handle any responsibility, but they're like,

497
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,280
oh, they pushed the empire off of this planet many years ago.

498
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,840
I'm like, many years ago.

499
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:33,840
What kind of what?

500
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:34,840
That's not a time.

501
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:35,840
Yeah, but I say that.

502
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,360
Yeah, but like Thrawn was like, I've been stranded here for 10 years.

503
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:43,160
And I think Ezra was like, I've been here 10 years or something.

504
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,600
But that also like brings up to the question.

505
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,320
And this is the same for most sci fi movies.

506
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,560
So don't like except for maybe Interstellar.

507
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,600
But most sci fi movies are like, hey, I'm on this planet.

508
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:52,600
I'm on that planet.

509
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,320
The planet is going to be any size and the days are always the same and the gravity is

510
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,600
always the same.

511
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,880
So you know, like, yeah, Ezra, I was here 10 years.

512
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:06,320
OK, was that 10 whatever the fuck this planet years is or 10 like, course, not years or

513
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,320
what are we talking here?

514
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,160
Is that 10 actual years?

515
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,160
Is it 12 years?

516
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,160
Is it nine years?

517
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,160
Right.

518
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,160
Like, yeah, like, who knows?

519
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,160
I'm convinced that I bring up.

520
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,160
Oh, go on, Simha.

521
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,160
Sorry.

522
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:21,160
No, I was going to say I'm convinced that Star Wars fans can write.

523
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,640
Star Wars better than Star Wars.

524
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,400
Well, that's why I was so excited about this series, because Dave Filoni created Ahsoka

525
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,120
and it should have been all of his his stuff.

526
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:37,720
And Dave Filoni has not ever been this fucking sloppy in any of his other things, even Bad

527
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:38,720
Batch.

528
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,120
He hasn't been this sloppy, right?

529
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:41,660
He's been like on point.

530
00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:46,920
So it was really like a slap in the face to have Dave Filoni this sloppy.

531
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,120
Well, and on writing on staying true to the characters.

532
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:58,200
That he created and he developed full disclosure, Simha, Nate and I got together after about

533
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,200
the fourth episode.

534
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:05,760
And we rewrote the show using all of the things they wrote and turned four episodes into one.

535
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,400
And we cut out Sabine getting stabbed with a lightsaber because that's idiotic.

536
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,880
If a lightsaber can cut the whole plating of a fucking spaceship.

537
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,820
Dude, that's how Qui-Gon died.

538
00:26:16,820 --> 00:26:17,820
So we know.

539
00:26:17,820 --> 00:26:22,640
Right, the ghost is like raising his eyebrows.

540
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:23,640
What the heck?

541
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,000
I wish I was a pansexual force sensitive Mandalorian.

542
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,600
I've Dyrth Maul.

543
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,320
A non force using Mandalorian 30 year old woman.

544
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,720
Well, going against a 16 year old woman, to be fair.

545
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,720
Right.

546
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,720
60.

547
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:42,960
She shouldn't even have been using a lightsaber.

548
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:43,960
Right.

549
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:44,960
She's a Mandalorian.

550
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,960
She should be, you know.

551
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:46,960
No, she shouldn't be.

552
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,840
And the blonde should have had a lightsaber with training wheels on it or something.

553
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,320
And where do all these force users come from?

554
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,000
They're all supposed to be dead.

555
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,000
They're all supposed to be dead.

556
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,000
That's the whole story.

557
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,520
Order 66 apparently was the worst executed plan ever.

558
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,240
You get all these fucking force people out here.

559
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:11,680
You've got enough to make three more canon movies, I guess, with Rey Skywalker and some

560
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,620
kid that can move a broom, but it was never developed later on.

561
00:27:15,620 --> 00:27:18,360
And then you've got enough Jedi for Ahsoka to fight.

562
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,440
And it's like, well, she should just be going after Thrawn and Thrawn should be a master

563
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,800
tactician, not, you know, trying to play tic-tac-toe with a screwdriver shoved in his frontal lobe.

564
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,220
Like, what was that all about?

565
00:27:28,220 --> 00:27:29,960
He's supposed to be some master tactician.

566
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,800
And now he's like, oh, it's okay if the Jedi get away.

567
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,680
Nah, let's send a couple of TIE fighters after him.

568
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,440
But if they destroy the TIE fighters, I don't care because we're just loading up stuff by

569
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,040
China collection in case the Queen visits.

570
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,920
And then he's like, nope, we've got to send out a couple of squads of stormtroopers to

571
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:48,920
fight them.

572
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:49,920
But we got to get out of here soon.

573
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,680
Like, everything's working to plan because we're just delaying them.

574
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,120
Like, we don't want them here.

575
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:56,000
But they have a lot of member berries.

576
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,920
Yeah, we don't want them right here.

577
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,200
We don't want them right here specifically where we are.

578
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,120
But we're not going to send out our entire force because I'm going to go back to the

579
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:08,520
real galaxy that has real stormtroopers, not these dead fucks.

580
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,600
I don't want them here, but I'm not going to send out my entire force.

581
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,200
I'm not going to just carpet bomb where they're at.

582
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,200
We know where they're at.

583
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,200
They're with the fucking hermit crabs.

584
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,200
I hate those hermit crabs.

585
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,680
They come and I have to clean my boat before I go to the next lake or else I'm spreading

586
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:22,840
invasive species.

587
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,280
They don't carpet bomb them and they let Ezra on board.

588
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:31,000
But then why is Ezra back in the main galaxy better than Ahsoka and Sabine back in the

589
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,000
main world?

590
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,960
Like, it doesn't make any sense.

591
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,720
The whole thing doesn't make any sense.

592
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,200
Can we do are we about halfway with the cigar?

593
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,800
Yeah, I'm about halfway.

594
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,700
Can we do thoughts on the cigar?

595
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:46,440
And then I want you two to indulge me in something that's a complete natism.

596
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,440
And Mike will probably know what I'm talking about.

597
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,280
Simha you probably know, except I've never called them natisms with you.

598
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,280
I like the cigar.

599
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,640
It's very good developing as well as the other one did at a smaller size.

600
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,220
So I think it's lovely.

601
00:29:00,220 --> 00:29:02,800
This cigar has helped me through a lot.

602
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:07,480
Helped me to cleanse my palate of what I've been experiencing with something I love so

603
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,960
much as Star Wars.

604
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,400
Yes, I needed the dark leathery flavor.

605
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:20,320
Sometimes you just need some some dark leather in your mouth hole, you know.

606
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,840
You know, in all Star Wars, I have a lot to talk about.

607
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,400
But when it came to Ahsoka, I was worried because my original thought was I'm coming

608
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,800
on this and I'm going to like talk great about it.

609
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,720
But when I had when reality set in, I was like, what am I going to talk about?

610
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,920
I was thinking of it all day.

611
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,960
And right before I got on, I was like, I matured because of Ahsoka.

612
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,200
Like I had this whole thought process that that's what I'm going to say, because I was

613
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,720
blinded by my love.

614
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:52,040
I mean, I certainly had super high expectations because up until this point, Dave Filoni has

615
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:58,820
put out some of the greatest Star Wars content that's remained canon, you know, even after

616
00:29:58,820 --> 00:30:00,120
George Lucas sold it.

617
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,720
Like all of those books and those series and things, all of those were moved to the extended

618
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,240
universe, but Dave Filoni's Clone Wars and Rebels remained canon.

619
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,280
And Mandalorian season one and two were really, really good.

620
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,920
I really liked that.

621
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:19,160
And this was kind of like the first like failing of Dave Filoni.

622
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,560
And that's why I'm curious.

623
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:27,040
Is he just tired of fighting for everything or is he or did Kathleen Kennedy turn the

624
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,960
Sauron eye onto him and say, look, you do it my way or you don't do it at all.

625
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:37,600
And I know he's got one of the three movies that are coming out for Star Wars and apparently

626
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,800
it's going to tie up Ahsoka and Mandalorian will be there.

627
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,460
And I think even Bad Batch and it's going to like wrap up some of these storylines.

628
00:30:47,460 --> 00:30:50,800
But then it's like, but then now you're just doing the Marvel thing.

629
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,080
Like if you're going to have an eight part mini series about Ahsoka, have it have a start

630
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,440
and an end.

631
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,760
You can have a little cliffhanger, but you can't present all of these things to the eight

632
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,360
episodes and then not answer a single goddamn one of them.

633
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,360
I think the theory.

634
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,360
Oh, go ahead, Simha.

635
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,120
No, I was going to say I have a feeling this is not Dave Filoni's fault.

636
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:17,600
I'm George Lucas said he created a myth because myth means something.

637
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:18,600
It's timeless.

638
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:19,960
It means something to people.

639
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,920
And even though he wasn't the best writer himself, I know I read a little bit about

640
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:29,480
his background and that was coming from him as a person appreciating lore and myth and

641
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,640
meaning.

642
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:37,320
And I think I'm afraid certain things have kind of lost that.

643
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,000
And I suspect it's who he's involved with.

644
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,440
Let's put it that way.

645
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,920
Rather than himself, if he did such good in the past.

646
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,920
Yeah.

647
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,480
And I mean, I guess like people do change too, but I would be inclined to agree with

648
00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:01,040
you and say that it's probably the association that he's surrounded with.

649
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,840
And if he wanted to do a movie and he's going to get one of three movies because they canceled

650
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,720
a bunch of Star Wars movies.

651
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:13,720
If he's got one of the slots, I'm sure he had to do some things to ensure that he gets

652
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,120
one of those movies.

653
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,320
But I'm still not happy about it because then it's the Marvel thing.

654
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:22,040
And they did that with Book of Boba Fett where they slipped two episodes of Mandalorian into

655
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,040
Book of Boba Fett.

656
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,400
Are you worried about the future of Star Wars?

657
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,200
I honestly don't give two fucks about the future of Star Wars.

658
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,760
I've got my fan edits of the prequels that I really enjoy.

659
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:37,320
I've got the fan recreated original trilogy series and I've got Clone Wars and Rebels.

660
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,100
So I'm happy with that.

661
00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:42,080
That's plenty of content for me to go back and rewatch.

662
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,040
That's like asking me, am I worried about the future of the fifth element?

663
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,880
No, I've got the fifth element.

664
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:47,880
I'm happy with it.

665
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,320
I don't need the sixth element or whatever.

666
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,600
Well, I guess I was saying, I don't know, that it would ever lose its fun, but it probably

667
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,600
already has.

668
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,040
It has lost its fun.

669
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,040
And also-

670
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,400
The stuff I enjoy hasn't lost its fun.

671
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,400
You know what I mean?

672
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:03,400
Right, right.

673
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,840
Am I going to be clamoring to get the next like, oh, let's follow that.

674
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,040
And Mike, you might know the name and somehow you might know the name too.

675
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,240
The Rat Eared thing from Jabba's Palace.

676
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,880
When he gets his series, am I going to be clamoring to watch Jabba's fucking rat thing?

677
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:20,880
The series?

678
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,200
No, I'm not going to be clamoring for that.

679
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,280
I don't care about that.

680
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:28,120
The stuff I enjoy, I enjoy it and I like it.

681
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:36,280
And I did like the moments and I got so upset because I liked that Hayden's back as Vader

682
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:41,360
and Anakin, but I got upset with Obi-Wan.

683
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:47,120
I liked the second and final fight between him and Obi-Wan, but it's Hayden Christensen,

684
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,320
but he's in a suit.

685
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,280
And then this one is Hayden Christensen, but he's not in the suit.

686
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,560
But they de-aged him digitally.

687
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,960
And I'm like, just let him be Anakin.

688
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,760
His force ghost can be any age it wants to be.

689
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,020
It can be anything it wants to be.

690
00:34:00,020 --> 00:34:01,280
You know, it doesn't matter.

691
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,280
Just let him be Hayden.

692
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,280
Like don't don't digitally de-age him.

693
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,240
Just let him be him and be Anakin.

694
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,240
You know what I mean?

695
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,560
Yeah, I agree.

696
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,320
I did appreciate we got to see that like Clone Wars style Anakin.

697
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,360
Yeah.

698
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,800
That episode with the dream sequence was the only good episode.

699
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:24,080
And it was because it was basically a Clone Wars slash Rebels episode that was live action.

700
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,360
Yeah, that's why I was good.

701
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:32,720
I loved seeing Hayden Christensen, the actor, the person call her snips, actually be able

702
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:34,720
to interact with her in live action.

703
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:35,720
You know what I mean?

704
00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:38,920
Like this is the first time they've interacted live action.

705
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,680
So I thought that was really cool.

706
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,280
Can I take a brief detour into a natism?

707
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,560
OK, that's fine.

708
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:45,560
I want to.

709
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:46,560
Can I close this?

710
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,560
Yeah, you finish first, Mike.

711
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:48,560
You finish first.

712
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,880
Because I think that Filoni was pressured by Kathleen Kennedy.

713
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,680
And I think there's evidence in the show.

714
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,920
The last episode was called The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.

715
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,920
It wasn't The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.

716
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:00,920
It was.

717
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:06,360
Yeah, it was the Jedi, the Witch and the Warlock or something like that.

718
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,840
The statues from Middle Earth.

719
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,840
Yeah.

720
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,360
And then they fucking had wargs, right?

721
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,560
Those wolf things are just wargs from Lord of the Rings.

722
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,680
Yeah.

723
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,320
And then they're writers, like they're warg writers.

724
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:27,080
And then at the end of the episode, fucking Ray Stevens is at the gates of Gondor or whatever.

725
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

726
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,080
He's like the kings of Gondor.

727
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,920
He's like Gondor calls for aid and I will answer.

728
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:33,920
Exactly.

729
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,920
Like I think that it's like definitely the eyersaw Ron is coming down and staring at

730
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:44,320
him, but he's throwing all this Lord of the Rings and C.S. Lewis like Narnia stuff in

731
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,320
there.

732
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,840
It's like pointless.

733
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,440
I don't understand it.

734
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,920
Yeah, makes no sense.

735
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,400
Other than like he's just trying to hint, right?

736
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,400
Yeah.

737
00:35:54,400 --> 00:36:00,360
Well, so we know where everybody is except for Shin, except for the blonde non-Jedi non-Sith

738
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,360
apprentice.

739
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,640
They want to just kind of like, you know, but like we don't I guess we don't have to

740
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:05,760
know where she is.

741
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,760
But in terms of like finishing up all these storylines, they didn't finish up a single

742
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:10,760
goddamn one.

743
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,360
No, I mean, like she's raising a lightsaber.

744
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,560
The the what is it?

745
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:21,440
Ukrainian model who is now apparently a furnace with a lightsaber is raising a lightsaber

746
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,960
at a group of war riders on the plains.

747
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:24,960
Amen.

748
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:25,960
Amen.

749
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:26,960
The force is female.

750
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,640
Anyone can be a force user if they just believe in themselves and try hard.

751
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,920
OK, look at that go along.

752
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,920
The midi-chlorians are in your heart.

753
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:35,920
She's not.

754
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,920
She's not a Mary Sue.

755
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:37,920
That's the Disney message of Star Wars.

756
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:38,920
Been inside you all along.

757
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:39,920
Yeah, I can.

758
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:40,920
I can levitate my my cigar if I just grab it.

759
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,920
If I just at least they equally screwed over a legacy character who was a woman just like

760
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:42,920
they've been doing all the male characters.

761
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:43,920
I mean, yeah, because Sabine was a great character.

762
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:44,920
Finally doing it right.

763
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,920
We've come full circle, I guess.

764
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:46,920
I kept thinking they were going to have some kind of weird like lesbian tension between

765
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:47,920
Ahsoka and Sabine and like why would they do that?

766
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:48,920
I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah,

767
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:49,920
I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah,

768
00:36:49,920 --> 00:37:06,040
I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah.

769
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,960
it was even trying to train her in the first place when even the David Tennant droid was like

770
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,000
She does not have the force. She will never have the force and then you know

771
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,080
Like I mean they had all these like weird moments

772
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,860
But it was just to draw out time and they never did anything with it

773
00:37:18,860 --> 00:37:19,300
I'm like well

774
00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:24,120
Just do the lesbian kiss thing then and let's get the awkwardness out of the way so we can just get back to the storyline

775
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,520
Then but I guess that wasn't what it was. So who knows like nobody knows

776
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,080
That would have ruined the whole show for me

777
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:35,140
It was like a it was like a show about nothing about people doing nothing somehow

778
00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:37,140
NC 17

779
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:39,860
hardcore half an hour love scene in

780
00:37:40,420 --> 00:37:45,040
The Starship would have made that episode that would have I would have man this fucking show already down

781
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,540
I already downloaded the porn parody and it's way better

782
00:37:50,140 --> 00:37:56,860
Yeah, that would have ruined it before for me because Hera I mean not here sorry Sabine is as his girl

783
00:37:57,220 --> 00:37:59,220
That's why I would have ruined it for me

784
00:37:59,220 --> 00:38:07,220
Kind of but ruined it for me is when she shows up and meets Ezra and there's like fucking stormtroopers coming, right?

785
00:38:07,340 --> 00:38:12,180
She they spend half an episode or saying oh, let's not talk about it yet. Let's just sit here in silence

786
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:15,500
Yeah, and then like he apparently told him everything

787
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:21,260
Well what I really did not like and this is how I this is my proof that Kathleen Kennedy's

788
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:28,140
Stanky eye is on Dave Filoni is when Ezra goes so they killed the Emperor and Sabine goes

789
00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:33,840
Well, some people think so and so that's the only that's the first time day any of Dave Filoni stuff

790
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,660
even Mandalorian stuff with Lizzo of all people has touched on the sequels and

791
00:38:38,860 --> 00:38:44,600
That's a that's an oblique reference to well somehow Palpatine's back, you know

792
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:51,540
They need to forget about this the sequels. Yeah, the quicker that project and like, you know make it like legends

793
00:38:51,540 --> 00:38:53,740
I don't know. Well, and I heard a theory

794
00:38:53,740 --> 00:38:59,780
they were going to recut the sequel trilogy with deleted scenes deleted stuff into a

795
00:39:00,380 --> 00:39:04,260
mini series and that would replace the sequels in canon

796
00:39:04,380 --> 00:39:10,660
But I don't know I can't imagine they have enough good footage to do that because none of the three directors talked to one another

797
00:39:10,660 --> 00:39:16,860
About what their plot was going to be so they're gonna build up anticipation and we're gonna be having a podcast

798
00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:22,260
You know, we're gonna be on this podcast again talking about exactly what we talked about with these over show

799
00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:27,740
Yeah, we're gonna say yeah, so we were supposed to watch this new Star Wars thing, but we fucking didn't so let's talk about

800
00:39:28,780 --> 00:39:30,780
fertilizer using my grass seed

801
00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:33,660
Let's talk about my trip to

802
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:36,500
Split Rock lighthouse

803
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:38,740
I

804
00:39:38,740 --> 00:39:42,780
Want to say one of the one of the biggest things I had an issue with in the series

805
00:39:43,060 --> 00:39:47,460
so, you know, we've got the they get the fight room right like the training room on a soga ship and

806
00:39:47,460 --> 00:39:54,700
They had that whole like super tense and really interesting training montage where soga went around and it was like tapping Sabine

807
00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:57,860
Or whatever and she had the blind ear thing on but they didn't have the zappy droid

808
00:39:57,860 --> 00:40:00,420
It's like I don't know the zappy droids kind of fun

809
00:40:00,420 --> 00:40:06,100
Like it was fun watching Luke get zapped and he squealed like a little girl every time he got zapped by that thing

810
00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:12,460
With obi-wan watching on the Millennium Falcon, but instead of like zapping her which I feel is like

811
00:40:12,740 --> 00:40:15,380
Should be a thing because that's just fun to watch people get zapped

812
00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:19,740
I mean, that's why people getting tased is so fun to watch but then so they have this training room

813
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:25,700
So they're like apparently like training in there. They're sweating in there. They've got their shoes on in there and then what happens?

814
00:40:26,260 --> 00:40:32,740
The dining room table comes out of the floor and then they're drinking tea off of it and like eating food off of it and stuff

815
00:40:32,740 --> 00:40:35,860
Like this is your floor. You've been training and sweating on this floor

816
00:40:35,860 --> 00:40:39,060
Do you have David Tennant droid like wipe down this table?

817
00:40:39,060 --> 00:40:46,220
Like I just it's like when mr. Rogers started saying he was feeding the fish because he had blind

818
00:40:46,660 --> 00:40:49,900
Blind girl wrote in and said please tell me when you're feeding your fish

819
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:53,320
I don't want them to starve and so you know, he would always say I'm now feeding the fish

820
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,800
Well, if you're going to have the floor of your training room also be your dining room table

821
00:40:57,940 --> 00:41:04,300
Please just show one scene of somebody wiping that thing down. I think we've all become better writers things to Star Wars

822
00:41:05,580 --> 00:41:07,700
Nate that is a natism a hundred percent

823
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:09,700
I didn't even think about that

824
00:41:10,180 --> 00:41:14,900
It bothered me so bad and she's like looking at that cup trying to move it with the force and like that cup is sitting on

825
00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:15,940
Some nasty ass shit right now

826
00:41:15,940 --> 00:41:17,860
Like I didn't see anybody wipe this thing down

827
00:41:17,860 --> 00:41:21,640
Like I don't need to think about the caramel upper apple vendor in hocus pocus 2

828
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,100
I don't need to think about the blue milk economy from

829
00:41:26,180 --> 00:41:29,820
The Star Wars sequel trilogy and I don't need to think about a circus training room floor

830
00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:31,180
That is also her dining room table

831
00:41:31,180 --> 00:41:37,500
All I could think about the whole time is how could a master Jedi on the council die from a lightsaber fucking to the chest?

832
00:41:37,660 --> 00:41:43,360
But a Mandalorian chick with no force powers who is a legacy character granted and I like her

833
00:41:43,420 --> 00:41:48,260
How did she survive this attack that kills everybody else? Yeah

834
00:41:48,260 --> 00:41:52,300
What was the does anyone know what the deal that green flaming sword thing was?

835
00:41:52,860 --> 00:41:56,040
That that which that wasn't a witch but then became a witch later

836
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:02,840
Dratham ear which like what the fuck was that thing? They just wanted to have a cool sword because they had a actress who?

837
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,320
Was training martial arts, so they had to have her have a sword fight and they didn't want to give her a lightsaber

838
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:14,360
They finally had one woman one actor who knew how to handle a sword the lightsabers battles were shit

839
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,760
Like they needed to use CGI. It's a speed up. That was lightsabers

840
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,760
And that 80 year old woman was like kicking ass

841
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:29,800
Right I posted about that on Facebook. I was like come on Disney. You can do better lightsaber battles in this

842
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,800
have you guys ever seen the fan cut where they have

843
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:40,000
The behind-the-scenes battle between Alec Guinness and Darth Vader before Darth Vader strikes him down

844
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:46,720
Which is what you see in the movie is it called Obi-Wan versus Darth Vader reimagined? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's like awesome

845
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:50,920
It's like I said something Nate. I think it's it was so cool

846
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,720
Yeah, some fucking dude did that on his laptop or you know in the library

847
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:59,400
Literally anybody can do better than what fucking Disney is doing

848
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:07,160
Yeah, some guy is like a I don't know a hobby project did that just to be cool

849
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:13,920
And it's better than what we got well and some guy and I told sim how about this but some guy and he's doing this

850
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,480
He's doing

851
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,480
He's doing Star Wars

852
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,640
Revisited or something like he's got I think it's revisited

853
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,000
He's got a whole website and he will take donations

854
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:30,080
But he is making the original trilogy special edition as it should have been

855
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,480
meaning not changing and adding in a

856
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:39,400
Significantly smaller CGI model of Jabba the Hutt in a hangar bay than what we see like a movie later

857
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:46,160
but he's going in and cleaning up all the the CGI stuff and he's putting in some of the special edition stuff like the

858
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:53,560
The the much cooler cloud city backgrounds and things but he's like filming he's filming in his apartment

859
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,000
He's filming like the snow speeder flaps

860
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:01,000
Going up so he can he can superimpose them into the scenes on the Battle of Hoth

861
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:08,080
Because you can see the flaps go up in in the exterior shot, but you don't see him from the cockpit shot

862
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:15,040
So he's putting the flaps in the background and he's also the last thing I read his last update was he's recreating the Han Solo and

863
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:20,880
Carbonite model to be in the same shirt that he was frozen in and de-thought in but it's not the shirt that he's

864
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:27,320
Seen in in the carbonite model in the movie. So interesting. He's he's just doing this for he's like

865
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,440
This is what George should have done with it instead of all these like added ridiculous scenes

866
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,720
Let's let's stage a coup. Yeah

867
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:42,440
Let's take the coup. Let's look all of us. Well, whatever people support the cause take over

868
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,400
right, so I think Star Wars has

869
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,560
given me very little sympathy for the writers strike that's now resolved because

870
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,480
If if if the writers are giving us a Soca

871
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:02,440
Then stay on strike. We don't need you for anybody listening who has not seen the show

872
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:10,920
Watch is the episode 5 look it up the one where a Soca has her like fever dream with Anakin because that's pretty decent

873
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,240
Yes, that's and then watch only decent one

874
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:13,720
Yeah

875
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:20,200
Watch the last episode only because my Sarah like had to stop herself from throwing her art project

876
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:26,360
She was working on at the TV because it made her so mad that they referenced Narnia and Lord of the Rings

877
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,920
In such a shitty story and then I don't know if you guys noticed this but it bothered me

878
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:39,880
They got on these wolves that are basically wargs from Lord of the Rings and they ran towards a starship

879
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:46,920
And yeah, the starship was bombarding them and they somehow survived the attack which doesn't make any sense

880
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,920
Somehow I mean it's ridiculous. It's

881
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,880
And you have Thrawn who is supposed to be a master tactician

882
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:04,120
Right, and he's like, hey, let's just hang out here and tell the Jedi that aren't Jedi get here and somehow try and thwart our plans

883
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,120
Even though they never really thwarted their plans

884
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,520
But they weren't all stranded like I guess he wanted them to be but if you wanted them to be stranded

885
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:16,440
Then send all of your people after them and let them fight them and then just abandon them and all your people like who cares?

886
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,920
You're going back to stormtrooper land

887
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:26,920
What was weird with the weird gold face stormtrooper? I don't know. I thought he was gonna be Ezra. I know there were a lot of people that

888
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:34,760
That were that were hoping who was it? There's some character in like star wars lore might be exciting

889
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,760
universe like the abeloth who can reanimate the dead and everything and

890
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:44,360
People were like, oh they're on the planet. They're the force originated from this like mystic being or this whatever

891
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:49,000
But they never really like they didn't wrap anything up with that or they didn't even give enough like

892
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,320
hints that it could be anything other than now the

893
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:59,560
Balin is having to hike to a volcano to destroy a magic ring

894
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,560
Yes

895
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,200
So they weren't inquisitors

896
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:09,720
No, they had an inquisitor they they showed an in real inquisitor, but they were not inquisitors

897
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:15,560
Do you know how inquisitors became to be other than like the excuse of the people who wrote them in?

898
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,920
They were safe from order 66 because they were disillusioned with the jedi order as it was

899
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:26,120
And so they were saved and palpatine. I guess used that their disillusionment

900
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,800
To like basically make them sith without making them sith

901
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,480
That's what I heard. That's the rule of two. I think that's cool

902
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:39,640
These two weren't inquisitors though because well, they didn't have the inquisitor lightsaber spinny thingy

903
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:45,400
But balin said something like he expressed his disillusionment with the jedi order and I was like

904
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:46,920
That doesn't mean anything

905
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,160
Huh? That doesn't mean anything in this

906
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:55,160
Because obviously they don't care about canon. And it's still like he expressed his disillusionment with the jedi order

907
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,160
He expressed it. They just know, huh?

908
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,480
I said this this series didn't care about anything that's uh in canon

909
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,120
Before this came out if they were inquisitors, they would they would have one

910
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,600
What even in obi-wan riva was an inquisitor, wasn't she? Yes

911
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:13,880
And she had the inquisitor blade like the the circular

912
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,040
lightsaber thing

913
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,780
I was just kind of like these two were not inquisitors

914
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,880
They were disillusioned with the jedi and no but nobody knows what they were doing because they never bothered to explain it

915
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,360
Right. And balin was always like balin's like i'm gonna leave you here because I have my own mission

916
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,520
But he never explained what it was except to destroy the one ring and yeah

917
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:38,360
And shin was like well i'm gonna go become a warlord with these other people that are not tusken raiders

918
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,240
But you know kind of sort of are tusken raiders and we're gonna wage war on the hermit crabs

919
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:49,320
Because that seems like a good thing to do. I was just kind of hoping that they would like they were introducing uh,

920
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,040
you know balin and shin as some like

921
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,080
Like I don't know how to describe it like not inquisitors

922
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,960
But like what were they like I thought they were kind of introduced to concept

923
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:03,800
Well thron called them mercenaries and I think that's probably as an accurate as description as we're ever going to get

924
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,920
Because now that actor now that actor's dead, so he's not going to be in whatever movie

925
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,640
for dave feloni and

926
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:17,000
There's not going to be enough time because if dave feloni is going to tie in all of his other projects into this movie

927
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,240
There's going to be like 57 main characters

928
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:25,560
So everything's not going to get wrapped up and I think that's my biggest problem with asoka is they can do whatever they want to do with asoka

929
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:33,240
But I said even after the first episode I told my sarah. I said this is an eight episode miniseries. There is no season two

930
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,040
Why why are they wasting this much time?

931
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,240
And then to have eight episodes and have nothing wrapped up

932
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:44,360
That doesn't even make any sense like that's the worst writing that anybody could ever possibly do

933
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:49,800
The end of episode eight could easily have been the end of episode two or three five

934
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:56,920
Like make that the end of episode five you have three episodes to to bring closure to a lot of these storylines and set something else up

935
00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:03,400
But at least you have kind of like we found thron thron's back. We're back. We got away from the hermit crab planet

936
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,920
We're back. We rode the whales back or something or we I don't know what we stole a klingon

937
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:15,080
Cruiser and slingshot it around the sun and now we're back because we stopped ourselves in the past from ever going there in the first place

938
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:21,320
Or something and we brought back a humpback whale just for fun and like they could do that and then still have a cliffhanger

939
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,600
But at least have the main points of this miniseries wrapped up

940
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,880
Do you think that um

941
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,320
they are

942
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:35,240
Licking their wounds with the disaster they were not expecting and whatever or do you think that they're going to try to

943
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:40,280
Somehow some way due to the actors passing like connects and dots

944
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,280
You think they're just gonna lick their wounds and we'll never hear

945
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,480
I don't think they're gonna do that because they didn't do that with carrie fisher. They had they literally had

946
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,720
Princess leia floating unprotected out in space

947
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:57,000
They already knew carrie fisher was dead before the movie came out. She's floating out in space

948
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:02,520
Unprotected and they still chose to have her mary poppins force herself back into the

949
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,040
ship and be alive like you already the actress is already dead

950
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:13,400
Before you edited this movie you could have had her die right there like on screen whatever and bring just closure to the character

951
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:19,640
Yada yada. She sacrificed herself blah blah blah. No, we want her. We we don't give two shits about luke

952
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:26,680
Or han solo. We're gonna have her who's also not a force user in some of the extended universe stuff. She is

953
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:33,480
But nowhere in the movies was she ever a force user then she's gonna use the force to get herself back on board a ship

954
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:38,920
And be fine and issuing orders in like the next five minutes like that's the stupidest thing i've ever seen and you already know

955
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,640
She's dead. So what how are you gonna film the next movie?

956
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,280
Well, you're gonna use shitty cgi to make it happen

957
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,280
So that's what we're gonna expect from the dave feloni movie. I guess is baylon's back

958
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,200
But it's gonna be deleted scenes from this series and it's gonna be terrible

959
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,360
The de-aging was not the best at times either for hayden. No, not at all

960
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,320
And it's like who just let hayden be hayden for once

961
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,960
Come on like you brought him back to do this like just let him be him

962
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:08,360
I don't care if he looks like a farmer. It's it's an anacond forest ghost. It can look like anything

963
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,800
He can just say oh, I thought this was a I thought this was a less intimidating

964
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:17,480
For him to assume and then leave it at that like who cares right or like if or he could have said

965
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,440
Had I chosen a different path snips, this would be what I look like. You know what I mean?

966
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:27,240
And then leave it at that because that's philosophical and it doesn't answer a whole lot and it leaves the viewer to wonder

967
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:32,440
It puts questions good questions in your mind. Like yeah, what if anakin didn't hate san so much?

968
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,440
Maybe he would be a chubby farmer

969
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,840
Maybe he'd be maybe he'd be on a podcast about cigars. Who knows

970
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,120
Exactly, and he is a farmer

971
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:49,480
That's I mean that was somehow that's a joke that I just told nate point. I mean he is a he is a farmer

972
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,120
So he looks like a farmer. He just does right?

973
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:59,320
But why not just let him be you know, a 40 50 year old farmer guy with a fucking jedi costume on

974
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:05,880
I mean at this point who cares like we just we're glad he's back and he agreed to do this

975
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:11,080
Just give us hayden. We don't need to see him with all the de-aging and the vader

976
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:18,360
Mask and everything and but yeah, I mean that episode was my favorite episode. I think of the series it made me desire

977
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:23,320
more interactions at some point in lore with with anakin's force ghosts

978
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:30,360
Because like I don't know. I learned about darth revan and he was you know, uh, you know about darth revan. I know

979
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,920
He was a jedi and then he became a sith and then he went back to being a jedi

980
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,980
But he didn't go to the temple because he was kind of ashamed and he was a

981
00:53:37,980 --> 00:53:44,220
Jedi but he didn't go to the temple because he was kind of ashamed and he got married and basically the concept is

982
00:53:44,780 --> 00:53:47,500
He's balanced because of it like that's balance

983
00:53:48,220 --> 00:53:49,660
If that makes sense at all

984
00:53:49,660 --> 00:53:54,220
like he thought the the jedi council was wrong for marriage like for

985
00:53:54,680 --> 00:54:00,380
Prohibiting that type of attachment and so because of it and what he did he's it's balanced

986
00:54:00,780 --> 00:54:02,780
Makes it like the ideal force user

987
00:54:03,180 --> 00:54:04,700
I guess i'm trying to say

988
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:09,340
Yeah, I mean i've seen a lot of like fan theories about maybe that the

989
00:54:09,980 --> 00:54:12,460
Well that the jedi council basically caused the clone wars

990
00:54:13,420 --> 00:54:17,180
I mean, you know and palpatine but their hubris, I guess

991
00:54:17,740 --> 00:54:21,660
kind of forced other events into into action and

992
00:54:22,220 --> 00:54:24,220
Had they just said like

993
00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:27,740
Yeah, you know what anakin fucking mary padme who gives a shit?

994
00:54:28,780 --> 00:54:32,860
Then they wouldn't have darth vader. You know what I mean? I've seen the meme where it's like

995
00:54:32,860 --> 00:54:39,020
Anakin, why don't you just leave the jedi order and become my personal bodyguard slash husband?

996
00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:41,820
Yeah, and then it's like they're not going to take your force powers away

997
00:54:43,740 --> 00:54:50,060
Yeah, they're not going to take your force powers away and they're certainly not going to take your lightsaber so yeah or the uh with

998
00:54:50,060 --> 00:54:57,020
Was it samuel jackson where he like straight up when anakin's like he deserved a trial and he's like no motherfucker

999
00:54:57,340 --> 00:55:00,060
And then it's like, okay. Well you do that. Give me one thing

1000
00:55:00,060 --> 00:55:05,100
I just want to marry padme or get her medical care because she's pregnant and then he's like that's an odd request

1001
00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:08,140
But that's okay. And then it's like written and directed by george lucas

1002
00:55:12,780 --> 00:55:19,740
I love those. Yeah, but do I mean is a force ghost first off like a conscious being or is that like some sort of?

1003
00:55:20,220 --> 00:55:26,220
imprint like is that anakin as he is now the next that's the next phase of the force because

1004
00:55:26,220 --> 00:55:29,740
Uh yoda was hinting at that teaching

1005
00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:35,500
Obi-wan at the end of the sequel trilogy about how to channel that to become a force ghost later

1006
00:55:36,060 --> 00:55:41,180
I thought anakin was gonna tell asoka like who he is now or say something like that

1007
00:55:41,180 --> 00:55:45,820
But see this is this is me as somebody who's obsessed with star wars. This is the stuff i'm looking for

1008
00:55:47,420 --> 00:55:48,380
You know

1009
00:55:48,380 --> 00:55:55,420
So I was kind of like we know obi-wan became a force ghost because he was a force ghost in the original trilogy even before the sequels

1010
00:55:55,420 --> 00:55:58,380
Came out and he was an active participant, right?

1011
00:55:58,380 --> 00:56:04,220
Like he was actively like that's right, you know when when luke was going down the trench in the x-wing, you know

1012
00:56:04,540 --> 00:56:08,300
Use the force trust your instincts. Don't use the targeting computer like he was an active

1013
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:15,180
participant in events because anna or luke's first instinct was to use the computer the targeting computer

1014
00:56:15,580 --> 00:56:20,300
And I don't I don't feel like that was him remembering the stuff obi-wan would have said

1015
00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:26,620
And then when at the end when he had obi-wan the force ghost and then anakin's force ghost at the end

1016
00:56:26,620 --> 00:56:29,500
I felt like those were them in the force afterlife

1017
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:36,060
Witnessing the events as they were unfolding, you know, and especially when in the in the prequels

1018
00:56:36,540 --> 00:56:40,460
Yoda was saying like obi-wan I can send you somewhere where you can learn

1019
00:56:41,340 --> 00:56:42,940
stuff and

1020
00:56:42,940 --> 00:56:47,740
To touch to tap into that kind of like force ghost stuff like there was some reference in there about that

1021
00:56:47,740 --> 00:56:54,700
Hmm also in the last episode they had anakin's force ghost in the distance on the magic planet with yeah

1022
00:56:55,580 --> 00:57:02,140
After I can remember it was before or after the little brother ring scene with ray, but uh ray stevens not ray

1023
00:57:02,700 --> 00:57:05,100
The lady ray ray skywalker. Yeah. Yeah

1024
00:57:06,060 --> 00:57:07,740
Yeah

1025
00:57:07,740 --> 00:57:13,020
Ray pal that was very sweet anakin and asoka the second when I was showing my children the those scenes

1026
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:16,400
I started to think wow, this is really sad. It's like bittersweet

1027
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:22,960
But yeah, I pretty much liked all the asoka and anakin interaction stuff and it could have just been a full mini series about that

1028
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:29,200
It could have been a lot of things. It ain't almost anything else would have been better. This was pathetic

1029
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,440
Yeah, yeah, I wanted the I wanted fulcrum. That's what I wanted

1030
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,200
I want him to fill the gap before the mandalorian and after

1031
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:42,400
The asoka book that I sent you nate, you know where it's like that was a good book

1032
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:48,080
Yeah, I wanted the fulcrum years explained well and even if they just hinted at the fulcrum years

1033
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:52,960
But there was no mention of fulcrum whatsoever and it was just like asoka is

1034
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,120
Lame like she didn't do anything. She didn't have any strong desire

1035
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,560
She wasn't even in most of the episodes, you know, like a majority of the episodes

1036
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,400
Right and the politics did make sense either because they're like, yeah

1037
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,640
Oh asoka is gonna go and chase down these force users and she says the throns back

1038
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:13,120
They're like, well who cares what she says? It's like bitch. She's fulcrum. That's why you care. This is her job

1039
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:18,800
Well, but also like who cares because she doesn't really she's not a jedi and she's not a sith

1040
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,600
So she doesn't really have to listen to anybody's bullshit

1041
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:27,280
And then they have c3po come in and be like leia gave her her consent to this thing

1042
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:31,360
And then it's like that scene took forever and it's like I don't need c3po in this

1043
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,800
You know like have chopper come in and say fuck you to everybody like that's my job

1044
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,720
I'm not gonna say fuck you to everybody like that's more in character than anything else

1045
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,960
Right, dude. I'm such a fan boy when c3po came on. I was like, oh

1046
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:52,240
Sarah was excited until she heard what c3po said and she's like that is so lame

1047
00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:01,280
That is so lame what is the point of any of this like isn't that green woman supposed to be an important person

1048
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:06,240
Yeah, just let just let harry do what harry does like she's already proven herself

1049
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,760
You don't need to have a whole like senate inquiry into her actions

1050
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:15,680
Like just let her let her go like you've won the war. What what why do you what do you need her for here?

1051
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:21,440
You don't have other people that can pilot an x-wing and blast imperial scum. You know what I mean? Like

1052
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:26,800
Right the political interactions like made me think that this is just another government that's

1053
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:32,080
gonna make people disillusioned and it's gonna cause you know, that's where

1054
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,080
That's what they want you to think so that yeah

1055
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:40,080
So that they can set up the sequel trilogy and somehow try and salvage the sequel trilogy by retconning a whole bunch of shit

1056
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:46,080
Yep, I had to say guys my fingers are burning. I don't know about yours. Mine too. Yeah mine too

1057
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,280
Bottom line. We love it. Coco. She's our girl and

1058
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,600
Watch the clone wars clone wars are great. Watch rebels rebels is great

1059
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:59,040
I like the general concept of the adult soca soca but like i'm just really you know

1060
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:05,520
Kind of hoping that if the soca continues in any way shape or form in the whole series and the whole franchise

1061
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:10,800
That they do it. They you know, they stay true to the soca that we fell in love with

1062
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:16,400
Right. I set the bar so low with this series for me to hold out any hope on that

1063
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,000
But I think the important thing is is that we all love star wars

1064
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,440
We don't love everything that star wars has put out for sure

1065
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,560
And we've got strong ideas of what this could have been or should have been and we were left

1066
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:35,200
Disappointed let's take over coup attempt right? Yeah, I was very disappointed because they shit all over

1067
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:40,400
All of the good characters they've had since the original series basically

1068
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:45,280
Yeah, they've been shit shit on her because she wasn't here until like the sixth episode, right?

1069
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:50,080
They should unspeak they should on a soca because she wasn't a soca until after the fifth episode

1070
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:57,200
And then they should unsabeen because she was i'm just gonna say borderline retarded for the whole series basically. Yep. They should unthrown

1071
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,160
They should unthrown

1072
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,220
Because like he like I feel like I could beat him at tic-tac-toe

1073
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,440
Like after this new move this new series like tactician my butt

1074
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,960
Right, they should on Ezra. He couldn't think himself out of a paper bag. It's like oh you witches

1075
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:18,320
Can you get me out of this paper bag and they'd be like, yeah, sure. Here's the opening and he'd be like splendid

1076
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,680
Now I will destroy those Jedi or not because i'm trying to load my ship. But how long does loading take?

1077
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,200
I don't know. I never thought about that. Yeah, and they should on Ezra

1078
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,160
They kind of shit on the hermit crabs, too

1079
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:35,120
But the hermit crabs are weird. Yeah, I mean I it's fine. They're trying to sell toys

1080
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:35,920
It's okay

1081
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,920
But like but like what?

1082
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:44,080
Like Ezra has to have companions. He can't just be chilling with space whales. You know what I mean?

1083
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,400
Like you already have the space whales you could sell space whale plushies all day long

1084
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:54,800
Ezra with the full power of the force and like uh, I thought he was gonna be like the force beast that they found

1085
01:01:55,120 --> 01:02:00,640
In the desert, you know what I mean? Like if he was like the force beast then he could be with the crab people

1086
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:05,600
That's cool. I don't care who he's chilling with as long as he's a badass Jedi motherfucker

1087
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:12,320
You know and then he's like the warg warriors the warg writers come up and the little orc band and he like forces him into

1088
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,400
Nothingness or whatever

1089
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:14,880
You know

1090
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:20,960
He just like he like he like snaps his fingers and they cease to exist and then like sabine's like what did you just do?

1091
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:26,160
And he's like, oh, I just snuffed out their life flame. No big deal. And then you'd be like, holy shit

1092
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:31,840
But no instead of that, what do we get? We get a soga tonneau fondling the goddamn fucking

1093
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:39,680
Magic map ball and like ooh sabine went with them willingly. Oh, I have memories from this this ball has memories

1094
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:45,760
So what the ball now also can tell you where thron is that nobody else knows nobody knows where thron is

1095
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:50,800
But somehow this magic ball knows where thron is and knows that sabine went with these people willingly

1096
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:58,320
But yet when they when obi-wan kanobi hands luke the youngling slayer 2000

1097
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,640
He doesn't say wow this killed a lot of kids. He's like, oh cool

1098
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:09,520
Right, right. Yeah, this killed a lot of sand people and children. Yes

1099
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:15,680
The women too and separatists and not just the men but the women and the children too

1100
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:25,440
Yeah, like come on like you're just inventing force things now because your writing sucks

1101
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,440
They can't follow the rules

1102
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:35,520
Right rules are what give sci-fi and fantasy stories legitimacy. You have to follow the rules internal to the story

1103
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,840
Yeah, you can't just have whatever rules you want, but then you have to follow them, right?

1104
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,680
That's the limitations are why it's interesting to watch them overcome

1105
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:45,760
it's

1106
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:51,360
so I I know I mentioned a few times when I listen to star wars theory when i'm hungry for star wars and

1107
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:52,800
uh

1108
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,480
Long story just google star wars theory versus disney

1109
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:58,640
um, but you know

1110
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:04,000
I listened to quite a bit of a stuff and I would like love to talk to that guy that guy is

1111
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,440
I mean, he's very passionate. He made a fan film about darth vader

1112
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,160
Well done and they were supposed to be like, you know

1113
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,320
It was a short film

1114
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:17,040
But it was very good and he was trying a bigger project and I guess something happened disney

1115
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,920
They don't have a good relationship. Let's put it that way

1116
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,120
Yeah, yeah, i'm sure now that disney owns it

1117
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,680
They don't have a good relationship with anybody that wants to do any fan fan stuff with star wars

1118
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:33,760
But he was he did such a good job. Yeah, I like that. You sent me one of the shorts. That was good guys

1119
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,840
Should talk to star wars theory one day. I couldn't listen to that all day

1120
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:39,760
Yeah

1121
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,760
We'd be happy to well

1122
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,280
Video the guy was like

1123
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:51,680
In tears his face. He was I mean it's the whole thing. He's very passionate. Maybe that's kind of like

1124
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,640
The same wavelengths I am

1125
01:04:55,440 --> 01:05:00,320
Not in like a weird obsessed way. I don't have much paraphernalia. I'm just saying like, you know, yeah

1126
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:07,040
Well, uh, so I guess that's the ask then uh, keith and dev if you know the star wars theory guy

1127
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:14,400
Hook us up. We'll talk to him. Yes, he can pick the cigar. Yes, we will get it

1128
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,200
Or you know if he wants us to guest on his podcast

1129
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,360
We'll still smoke a cigar and we'll just mention it at the inopportune times

1130
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,280
I want to at least touch the sleeve of the shirt. Okay. No, that was a joke

1131
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,560
Hey, man, whatever you're into you we can't we can't judge anymore

1132
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:38,560
Yeah, i'm not judging one thing one thing kathleen kennedy told told us is if we judge then we're the toxic star wars fan base

1133
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:43,040
So asoko was great. I love it. Go watch it consume put on your sunglasses

1134
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,080
And uh keep disney in power forever

1135
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:50,080
Do not watch it. Don't waste your time if you're trying to like, you know thinking it's gonna build on lore

1136
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,400
Yeah, I was I was I was kind of like and i've seen rebels

1137
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:01,280
But i'm guessing the large populace of people that watched asoka because of her brief cameo in mandalorian

1138
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,840
Had not have not seen rebels and to not do any sort of

1139
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,800
Catch up like here's 15 minutes of the summit

1140
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:18,400
15 minutes of the summation of what happened in rebels and who these characters are I feel like this is a huge disservice

1141
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:23,200
Like even as somebody who's seen rebels i'm like just doesn't have to be long

1142
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,400
But you don't need three episodes on the map ball give us give us like

1143
01:06:26,940 --> 01:06:30,800
15 20 maybe half an hour on a summation of rebels at the first episode

1144
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:38,320
And then let's rock and roll my sarah was totally lost about why she was supposed to care about sabine or harrah

1145
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:44,800
She had no idea why harris kid was just a human with green hair like she's she that threw her off

1146
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:50,240
She's like, you know, there should be some more indications that this is her biological child, right?

1147
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,720
Like and that threw me off too. I'm like what the fuck?

1148
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:58,080
Like half alien half human or whatever, you know

1149
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,760
Yeah, it was awful. So many things something different

1150
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:08,320
They need to change the title and then make a real series called asoka and give us what we want

1151
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:13,920
Call this one call this one. Um star trek 3 the search for thron or something

1152
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,160
If this adult asoka is to exist in the star wars universe

1153
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:22,800
The way her young self has let's explore that man

1154
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,640
That's all that's what i'm saying. Give us a show about her

1155
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,640
Right. Yeah. That's like almost like this one is like sabine

1156
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,440
This one should just be called sabine. Yep. Yeah

1157
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:43,040
No, I do appreciate that the obi-wan was about obi-wan and they did you know feed my craving for

1158
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,400
Him and what happened between him and anakin

1159
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,840
Why did he know the princess leia?

1160
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,880
Yeah, there's a lot of problems with obi-wan. I think

1161
01:07:52,880 --> 01:08:00,480
I will the best the best my favorite parts of obi-wan were his like introspection on his failings as

1162
01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:03,200
Anakin's yeah teach that's what I like

1163
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:07,440
But everything else is pretty dumb because it's like he's hanging out with leia

1164
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:13,680
And then like luke is there and luke in the original trilogy is like tito means so boring

1165
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:17,700
I just want to leave but he's like running for his life from an inquisitor

1166
01:08:17,700 --> 01:08:23,860
But they have to make luke still think that means boring. So what's the best solution for that a concussion, of course

1167
01:08:24,340 --> 01:08:27,380
so, I mean that's a super lazy writing, you know, like just

1168
01:08:27,940 --> 01:08:31,620
Can just like you can do obi-wan you can have him be introspective

1169
01:08:31,780 --> 01:08:36,900
But don't involve luke and leia just have him go and try and find one of his jedi buddies who he thought was

1170
01:08:37,220 --> 01:08:42,900
Survived order 66 like just these small little tweaks would make these things make a lot more sense

1171
01:08:43,140 --> 01:08:45,140
It did make for some good means

1172
01:08:45,140 --> 01:08:48,260
Well, yeah instead of trying to pigeonhole them into everything else

1173
01:08:48,340 --> 01:08:53,060
You know what I mean? They they're pigeonholing everything into everything and it's like the marvel universe now

1174
01:08:53,060 --> 01:08:56,020
We gotta watch everything to understand anything. I'm fine with that

1175
01:08:56,020 --> 01:09:00,100
But they have to have to produce good content if that's going to be the case, you know

1176
01:09:00,180 --> 01:09:05,700
Yeah, it's they're taking vast liberties with that style of and everything's got to be self-contained

1177
01:09:05,700 --> 01:09:08,340
If you're doing a mini series, it's got to be self-contained

1178
01:09:08,580 --> 01:09:13,620
I guess like the obi-wan thing was self-contained because the plot with him and leia

1179
01:09:13,620 --> 01:09:18,120
Resolved at the end, but there was no resolution in asoka at all

1180
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:22,280
Like zero resolution of anything that nothing was done

1181
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,440
What I can I I can I can sum up the whole story

1182
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,800
They found out that thron and ezra were in a different universe

1183
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,240
They went to that other universe and they swapped places

1184
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:40,280
Yes, and then they had a bunch of iconography from movies and franchises that are infinitely superior to the show

1185
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,520
And it's like infuriating

1186
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:47,160
Yeah, very frustrating. Well, my cigar my fingers are burning as well

1187
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:52,520
Yeah, but like there's like so much we could like for days on this

1188
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,240
like that's

1189
01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:02,880
For days it's all gonna be this name shit just whining and complaining about how bad it was basically

1190
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:05,360
before this open show

1191
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,800
the hoop the person I was would have like

1192
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:15,000
Philosophized all the things they didn't resolve like I would build on these philosophies and theories, but I had reality check

1193
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:20,720
It's just bad writing. I don't need to bust my brain on like, you know connecting to I enjoy doing it

1194
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,720
That's why I do it. I'm saying, you know

1195
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:30,240
It's I mean we all enjoy like I mean even if it even if they shit all over our favorite stuff

1196
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:36,560
It's still enjoyable to go and like break it down and like explain why it was bad or how it was bad

1197
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,560
Or what we would have done different or better

1198
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,760
So I guess like in that sense it was a win, right?

1199
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,120
If they want us to talk about it and they want us to be like passionate about it

1200
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:52,680
But when we say it sucks and here's like three things you could have done just out of the gate to make it better

1201
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:59,880
And then they will call us toxic like we're the toxic fan base now. Like that's not that's not what we're about

1202
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,520
I mean, it's supposed to be just have civil conversations about stuff

1203
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:10,640
Okay. Yeah, I'm all for a Soca and Sabine going around and having adventures like that would have been great. But

1204
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:15,160
Sabine doesn't need to be a fucking Jedi. That's ridiculous. It's

1205
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:19,920
Stupid what I would love to see because they already had a live-action

1206
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:28,640
The blue guy sorry spacing Ron no no blue guy the from rebels not thrown

1207
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:33,720
As those bunkmate Oh Zeb Zeb. They already had him in Mandalorian for a brief scene

1208
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:39,880
What I wanted was instead of a Soca and David Tennant droid to be Jonah

1209
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:44,080
Or Pinocchio and Geppetto or whatever the fuck in the whale whoever's all in Wales

1210
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:48,280
Like I don't know. It's weird. That's happened twice, right like with Jonah and Pinocchio

1211
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:55,040
And now a Soca what would be for Hera to come and say look, I've got Zeb. I've got chopper

1212
01:11:55,040 --> 01:12:02,800
We've got Sabine and we've got a Soca and we're gonna go wreck shit in Thrawn's galaxy and like have a rebels reunion

1213
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:08,640
And go wreck Thrawn's face and then and then get Ezra back and it'd be like the full

1214
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,240
Reunion at the very end and that would have been the end of the series

1215
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:18,720
You've got all the rebels characters there and a Soca and they wrecked face on Thrawn and then we're good

1216
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:23,600
Yeah, they could even have left Thrawn alive on the planet just with no one else

1217
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:29,760
You know or something or he escapes if they wreck face on the wizards or the witches and then they chase him back

1218
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:35,200
And they're like, okay, we got this and then they go and then it roll credits and then the movie picks up with that

1219
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:39,040
Right, like right that's fine with me, but at least there's some resolution

1220
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:42,240
There's some like we actually did something instead of just swap places

1221
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:47,680
Yeah, it was a complete like I say if you have not watched it and you were listening watch the fifth episode

1222
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:51,760
Which is really cool interesting and then if you really want to

1223
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:59,040
Know how shitty it is watch the last episode and that will give you a very good idea of how bad all the other episodes are

1224
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,480
Yeah, the cool thing about watching the fifth episode because it has none of the other characters

1225
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:10,400
It's just a Soca and Anakin and then you can watch the last episode you'd be like who are all these characters and it doesn't matter

1226
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:16,560
I never really explain who they are. Anyway in the eight episodes. None of them are important. Really? They're all losers. So yeah

1227
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:21,600
Yep, I don't my Sarah's i'm having her watch the clone wars with me the

1228
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,760
Cartoon and she's like these Jedi were not very nice

1229
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:31,600
I'm like no, they weren't there's a reason why everybody wants them gone

1230
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:36,560
Like everybody hates them more or less other than the Jedi

1231
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,240
So yeah, not that you would know that by modern star wars

1232
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:45,680
You know, but you know, it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like

1233
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,440
You know, but they really don't want to talk about political context. That's for sure

1234
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,120
The community leaders failed anakin. It was a failure

1235
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,080
On the people that were the leaders

1236
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,200
They saw something as a threat fear of attachments

1237
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:01,680
like they

1238
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:07,280
Some I don't know. They saw it as a threat and I think that was a big wrong and how they handled all that

1239
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:08,880
Yeah

1240
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:13,440
when I don't know that um, because there's certain religions that have uh,

1241
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:15,440
Like I I know

1242
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:21,280
Um, it was I watched a documentary it was called like monk with a movie camera or something and it was about this guy who?

1243
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:26,800
became a monk or not monk with a movie camera, but like monk with a camera because he was a photographer and

1244
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,680
Uh, they said no, you can't have any attachments

1245
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,160
But they and he was ready to give up his camera

1246
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:37,040
They kind of like encouraged him to keep his camera and to take it out

1247
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:42,720
not frequently but like to take it out every once in a while and still do some of his photography stuff because they

1248
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,420
Realized that even though this might be a a worldly possession

1249
01:14:47,260 --> 01:14:52,260
Attachment it still did his soul good. So they understood that and

1250
01:14:52,820 --> 01:14:57,300
I thought I read something somewhere where george lucas might have said like the jedis

1251
01:14:57,540 --> 01:15:02,580
Rule against attachment isn't that you can't actually have attachments, but you need to put them

1252
01:15:03,060 --> 01:15:05,380
You need to understand that you could lose them at any time

1253
01:15:06,020 --> 01:15:10,260
More of a thing than like don't have them at all. You know what I mean? Right? Yeah

1254
01:15:10,260 --> 01:15:13,300
That and like if the force is passed down through

1255
01:15:13,700 --> 01:15:17,780
Offspring you would want your jedi masters to procreate frequently. Wouldn't you?

1256
01:15:18,580 --> 01:15:21,940
You would sure think so you would sure think so

1257
01:15:22,980 --> 01:15:24,980
Yeah, that's true

1258
01:15:24,980 --> 01:15:28,900
But I think we have to give our disclaimer like none of us are jedi jedi masters

1259
01:15:29,220 --> 01:15:35,300
So we don't know consult your local jedi master. If anything we said local competent jedi master. Yes

1260
01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:39,460
That's what they say here contact your local competent orthodox rabbi, yeah

1261
01:15:40,580 --> 01:15:44,740
That's great, you know, like when I when I have something

1262
01:15:45,540 --> 01:15:49,220
Express the good turn that's concerned to my spiritual mentors or whatever

1263
01:15:49,220 --> 01:15:52,020
Not like a real concern like whatever is going on in my life

1264
01:15:52,260 --> 01:15:58,420
Like every answer is catered to who what's going on my kids and whatever and all the things that come about that

1265
01:15:58,420 --> 01:16:00,420
I got neurodiverse children

1266
01:16:00,660 --> 01:16:02,660
The answer is based on like

1267
01:16:02,660 --> 01:16:04,900
my situation as opposed to like

1268
01:16:05,540 --> 01:16:09,460
How they handle anakin. I don't know if this makes sense how they handle anakin was they they didn't

1269
01:16:10,020 --> 01:16:15,220
They were just trying to give him the dogma and didn't really meet him where he was at. I'm trying to say yeah for sure

1270
01:16:16,020 --> 01:16:20,020
Well, they're also in the middle of like the largest war in the history of star wars

1271
01:16:20,580 --> 01:16:26,020
Right. There's layers of uh, and and and and they kind of said yeah, we're we're this huge

1272
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:29,380
War. So of course anakin we we can't give you the help you need

1273
01:16:29,380 --> 01:16:34,420
But they were they stuck with their weird like pragmatic dogma and they were like well we grant you a seat on the council

1274
01:16:34,420 --> 01:16:41,300
But you're not a master. Well, don't you make exceptions in wartime? Like come on like what's your problem? What's your big deal?

1275
01:16:42,260 --> 01:16:44,260
Right. He's one of your more successful

1276
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:51,780
Commando style generals. Yeah, like you got to throw him a bone, right? He's out there slaughtering people on behalf of your cause

1277
01:16:52,500 --> 01:16:54,500
potentially the most famous

1278
01:16:54,740 --> 01:16:56,740
Warlord you have so

1279
01:16:56,740 --> 01:17:01,140
That's kind of how the system works. The only one more famous than than him is rudolph

1280
01:17:04,100 --> 01:17:11,220
Anyway guys i am done. Yeah, we should probably wrap this up because we could like simha said we have days of content we could

1281
01:17:11,220 --> 01:17:13,220
Oh, we could just

1282
01:17:13,540 --> 01:17:16,260
converse about uh, but thank you simha for

1283
01:17:17,060 --> 01:17:23,300
I was saying thank you simha for uh being a guest on our soka recap review episode

1284
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:26,660
We still love you asoka. Just never forget that we we have faith

1285
01:17:27,300 --> 01:17:29,300
We love you how we remember you

1286
01:17:30,340 --> 01:17:33,300
We love the memory of you she's our wife

1287
01:17:36,660 --> 01:17:41,460
I thought i'd be more angry about the fact that I don't like the show but it was just so bad

1288
01:17:41,460 --> 01:17:46,580
I just was massively disappointed and I couldn't get mad. I was like, this is just disappointing

1289
01:17:47,060 --> 01:17:50,020
Well, it's disappointing that it kind of fell in with the

1290
01:17:50,020 --> 01:17:53,060
rest of the disney star wars series that have come out

1291
01:17:53,620 --> 01:17:58,500
Yeah, and their casting was great. Rosario. Dawson's wonderful. All the actors. I thought were well cast

1292
01:17:59,140 --> 01:18:04,980
Yeah, I had no problem with any of the actors. No. Yeah, they they they just wasted resources

1293
01:18:05,700 --> 01:18:10,980
Like I didn't even mind because some people were like well thron is too fat like well, I don't care who cares

1294
01:18:10,980 --> 01:18:14,420
That's the guy that that did his voice in rebels. So

1295
01:18:14,980 --> 01:18:16,980
He's not too fat. He's not too fat

1296
01:18:16,980 --> 01:18:27,380
He's been on a weird planet for 10 years planet. He's been eating nothing but hermit crab for 10 years. Okay, you eat her

1297
01:18:27,860 --> 01:18:30,260
Another cigar because I gotta like a thousand more questions

1298
01:18:30,660 --> 01:18:35,860
Well, let's wrap this episode and then if we would if we want to sit and talk we could talk for a little bit longer

1299
01:18:35,860 --> 01:18:47,860
But absolutely. Thanks for listening. Be safe. Have fun. Have a good night