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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Nate.

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And I'm Mike.

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What are we smoking today, Nate?

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Well we are going to be smoking.

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I guess I should look at it, huh?

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This is a Saison by Oliva and this is the first harvest 2009.

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So it is.

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This is the first in a series.

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We also have to say that this is a first time for the show.

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Yeah, first time in two seasons.

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We're actually both at Nate's place today and I've been working on my car so I had to

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put engine components back under the hood so that we had enough room on the workbench

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here to do our show.

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There we go, we're lit.

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Nice easy light.

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It is, yeah.

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We're enjoying a Goose Island IPA from Chicago.

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Is it oil?

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It is from Chicago, huh?

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Yep.

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I never thought about it.

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I drink a lot of this stuff in the winter because the establishments that I go to regularly

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to endeavor in a sporting event, they usually only have one good beer and Goose Island happens

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to be the one that the distributor up north has.

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I'd say the first couple puffs is pretty nice, pretty good, smooth.

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It is.

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I was expecting it to be good.

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It's an Oliva.

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It's a very reputable brand.

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Most people can find them in their local cigar shops.

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Is it Oliva or Oliva?

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It's Oliva.

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Oliva?

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Yeah, I think like Boliva.

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Yeah, we've talked at length ad nauseum about how I can't pronounce things because I just

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read them and make up my own pronunciations in my head.

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Interestingly enough, that's going to be part of our show today.

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Yes.

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Is accents and whether or not accents are offensive even if they're accurate.

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Yes.

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For our episode today, we did a lot of homework, about an hour and a half worth each and then

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some additional extra credit time because we've got a little fun activity after we're

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done talking about the main topic, but we wanted to watch.

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I don't think it's considered, it's not Birth of a Nation, so it's not the most racist film

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ever made.

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I don't know if you ever saw Birth of a Nation.

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I have not, but I want to.

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I've seen some of it, right?

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The Ku Klux Klan definitely plays a major role as the heroes in that film.

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I've seen the one scene where they come over the hill and they're like angels kind of,

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but they're the Klan.

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So, and it's not, it actually Gone with the Wind has kind of taken some heat-

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... within the past, I don't know, 10, 15 years maybe for its portrayals of the Deep

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South.

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Specifically Mammy and their relationship between slaves and their masters.

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So, the movie that we watched was, you can find this online.

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I'm not going to tell you how or where, but it's on, I think, the internetarchive.com,

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so it's definitely within public domain, I believe.

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It should be, yeah.

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Or, if not, this is kind of like a fan restoration where they found the 35 millimeter prints

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from a theater somewhere and kind of took their time to scan it in and color grade it

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and clean up some of the dust and stuff.

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But this is one Disney does not want you to see.

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It's called Song of the South from 1946.

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Yes.

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And I've been wanting to watch this since I was in college.

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I've always wanted to see it.

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It's always been controversial.

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And it's where the song Zippity Doo Dah comes from.

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And it's Splash Mub.

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That made its debut in this film.

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And some of the actors are Academy Award winners, the first ever black actors to win an Academy

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Award.

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Both of them.

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Yeah, both the man and the woman were in the show.

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So, we're going to go through Song of the South and then our fun activity at the end

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is if we were making a remake of it today, who would we cast?

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Because I was thinking about that too, like would we change some of the storyline or some

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So, we're just going to kind of go through it.

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And I think let's just let's get the big elephant out of the way first.

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Do you think this film was racist?

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I think that it has elements that are not sensitive for the times today.

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But I don't think it crosses the line into outright racist rhetoric.

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I think a lot of the points that they had were nuanced, which was common in film of

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And there were two things that stuck out that might be racist to me.

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I don't want to step on your...

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No, well, so I just want to say I didn't really feel anything was overtly racist.

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You know, it's certainly a film from the 1940s.

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So, you know, you're going to get whatever from it, right?

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But it's firstly, it's set in the Reconstructionist South.

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So not plantation full on slavery South.

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That doesn't mean that Reconstruction was great and Reconstruction had no racism or

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anything like that.

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It's just it's set in kind of a different period than you would think because yes, the

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white people still live at the plantation and there's still the black people working

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the farm and stuff.

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the grandmother, that it's a working relationship, not a master slavery relationship.

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And we discussed Frederick Douglass and his accounts of slavery.

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And even in his account, there was only one account one time in his life where he saw

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the sort of outright beating of somebody and it was over sex.

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It wasn't really over work.

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It was yeah, it was competition between the master and a slave over a slave woman.

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So anyway, but yeah, there were two things that stood out to me as problematic in the

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modern sense.

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And that was the accent of the little boy, Uncle Remus's nephew.

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Yeah, the little I don't know if that was really the oh, maybe it was actually the nephew

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that Toby, the one that was showing the little white boy around.

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His accent was a little too much.

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And then but also it was the 1940s.

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So perhaps he did talk that way.

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to what the southern slave plantation American English would have been because that was a

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very specific dialogue that did exist.

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And was trying like the I guess the original stories of Briar Rabbit had that lingo in

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there when it was written.

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And because they were written in the 1880s.

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And there was an active attempt to capture that.

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Well, it's capturing part of what is like history capturing history.

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So retelling these stories, they they came out of a racist period of time.

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These stories.

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of people that were enslaved.

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The full of the slaves that lived on the plantation largely recorded in reconstruction era.

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So there's going to be elements that are not comfortable for a modern audience is obviously.

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And again, this is a Disney film.

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And you know, so they're not really going to delve into the ups and downs of slavery

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and things like that.

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This is more we wanted to portray these stories that came out of reconstructionists south.

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So let's set it in the reconstruction of south and give an uncle or an elderly black man

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the lead or the role of telling these stories of his people.

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So like if you would make Uncle Remus a white person, there would be outrage because how

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could a white person tell stories with African background?

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There's a big thing where they want the if you have a gay character, it needs to be played

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by a gay actor.

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You know, which I don't agree with because that's acting.

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No, you don't really have.

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Yeah, you don't really have, you know, like there are no sorry, Simha, but there are no

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Jedi.

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You know, so they're pretending to be a Jedi.

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There are no and the second thing that I found and this was something that Sarah and I both

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They had two scenes where they had the sharecroppers going in and out of the field.

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And they were too chipper.

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They should have been like obviously this is a 1946 movie made in segregationist America.

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So they couldn't politically, they couldn't have the sharecroppers not want to be sure

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croppers.

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So I do understand, but they probably should have been a little bit more sour about the

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sharecroppers.

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You know, and some of it too is it's a Disney film.

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It's a Disney film.

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They're not going to go in into, you know, the ins and outs of sharecropping.

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Like it's for kids, you know, it's not really designed to be a super heady film for us to

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analyze.

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And in context, you know, this is the era where I think that Frank Sinatra was blacklisted

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at this exact time because he wouldn't do segregated shows in the South.

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He was blacklisted for years before basically his Las Vegas show got too big and they just

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couldn't shut him out of the industry anymore.

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It's just tour de force.

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Yeah, it's Frank.

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It's Frank and, you know, Sammy Davis Jr.

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All these guys there.

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At the height of their careers.

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So, I mean, this is a very different political time.

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And yeah, and it's a Disney film.

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Like, you know, nowadays like Disney, Pixar, they'll put things in their movies for adults.

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But if you go watch Bambi or, you know, any of the other kind of like quintessential Disney

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animated movies, Aladdin, they don't really I mean, the Genie is a slave, but they don't

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really you know, he's beholden to the lamp and he has to do what the lamp holder wants

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to do.

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But they're not putting in all of these things for you to analyze because it's a movie for

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kids.

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Like Fox and the Hound and Bambi don't get into the intricacies of modern American wildlife

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game fishery rules.

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And Fox and the Hound, we've been rewatching that one quite a bit with our daughter.

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And you know, that's kind of like maybe the subplot is, you know, having because it's

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a fox and a hound and hounds hunt foxes.

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So it's kind of like desegregation, right?

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Kind of the theme of the movie.

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But that's reading into it.

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Like a kid is going to be like, oh, OK, they're supposed to hunt each other, but they're friends,

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you know, like, yeah, we have friends that look different than me.

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That's fine.

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Whatever.

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It's cool.

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Right.

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But they're not really going into, you know, is fox hunting ethical?

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Well, yes.

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And Song of the South did.

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I'm somebody who watches older films and so are you.

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So I'm already primed to understand the subtext built into those stories.

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They will not outright say in a film noir film, they're not going to show the murders

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and the race usually.

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Right.

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They're going to insinuate that it happened.

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They are not going to directly tell you.

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And this is, I don't know, maybe what, 20 years later, but Psycho.

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They show the knife coming up.

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They show stabbing sounds and then they show like Hershey's syrup going down the drain.

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But you don't actually see.

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You don't see anything happening.

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And that was that was graphic because of how effectively they portrayed it on film.

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And this is a kid's movie, so you're not going to get really the same level.

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Grandma is not going to be outright racist.

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It's the context of the dialogue.

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There was one scene when she was talking to Uncle Remus and it was like it was borderline.

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But then they kind of like the escalated it and they were like, oh, we just kind of we

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were just joking with each other because we've been around each other for that long kind

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of thing.

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And I was like, who that was almost like I thought that was going to push us over.

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They made grandma look well in the movie, there's four bad people, I would say.

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Yeah, they're all white.

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Well, let's sum up.

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Let's sum up the plot summary first.

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OK, and then we'll go into the four bad people.

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So it's a little he's got to be what, eight or ten or something like a little a little

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child.

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And he's riding in the carriage some really awkward scenes with his mom and dad who are

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getting a divorce.

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They're not getting a divorce or something.

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The they're in reconstruction itself.

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And his dad is getting death threats for articles that he's making in the newspaper.

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Yes.

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And the grandmother politically disagrees with his newspaper.

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So the subcontext that I read into it is he is probably pro desegregation and pro reconstruction,

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whereas his mother in law is well, the sharecropper says she's older, older, southern, you know,

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and they're coming from, I think, Atlanta.

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So they're city people.

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They're saying by and large, city people are more progressive or liberal or what have you.

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Right.

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Like they're more inclusive and want to be on that cutting edge.

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And the wife, the wife was clearly not a fan of this guy, be it active in whatever politics

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he was doing.

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And she was kind of one of the baddies, too.

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So yeah, you can get the subcontext as they're talking about segregation behind the.

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Yeah.

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And they so they go to this plantation, which is the father such husband's mom.

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No wife's mom.

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Oh, the wife's mom.

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Wife's mom.

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I thought it wasn't because the dad kept saying, I remember growing up and hearing Uncle Remus's

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stories, he said that multiple times.

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So I feel like it was his family plantation.

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And then that would add a little bit extra to his kind of maybe guilt about the whole

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system why he would be pro reconstruction and abolishing slavery and, you know, integrating

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fully.

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But I think I think it was his because he was telling his son on the carriage ride about

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Uncle Remus and the funny stories about Broward Rabbit and all that stuff.

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So I feel like it was his mom.

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But then they drop him off there and the kid gets like really upset that the dad is going

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back to Atlanta.

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Yes.

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Like really, really upset.

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And then the grandma has Toby, a boy of similar age, black boy.

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Yes.

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Be I can't even remember the white kid's name.

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Johnny.

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Johnny.

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That's right.

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Be Johnny's kind of guide to show him around the plantation and all that stuff.

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So yes, the black boy was Aunt Tempe's nephew.

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OK, I don't know if on Tempe was related to Uncle Remus or not.

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It's hard to say how this all goes.

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Yeah.

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Like we said, it's a Disney movie.

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They're not really spending screen time explaining how everybody's related.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's just like here's the family plantation.

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Here's grandma.

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Here's black people.

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And let's go get this done.

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So but of course, the boy is is very interested in Uncle Remus and every older black man that

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he sees, he asks if that's Uncle Remus.

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And then he decides that he's going to sneak out and sneak back to Atlanta, which has to

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be like a 500 mile walk or something ridiculous.

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And then he happens upon Uncle Remus himself.

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And the rest of the movie kind of continues.

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And that's like the first 10, 15 minutes of the movie.

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Right.

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And Uncle Remus saves the day because he catches Johnny in the act of running away and he manipulates

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the child back to the manor house.

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Yeah.

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And he's going to go with him and he goes through the motions of packing up and like,

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well, it's a it's a mighty long walk.

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And you know, it's going to be do you have any food?

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And Johnny's like, no, I don't have any food.

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And he's like, oh, well, we better go back to my place and get some food.

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And then of course, there's the fire and he starts telling stories.

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And then, you know, he's like, hey, let's go.

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We got to get going to Atlanta.

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And the little boy is like, well, maybe we can stay here.

325
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Yeah.

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So he walks back to the plantation.

327
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Yeah.

328
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Yeah.

329
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Yeah.

330
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But now you're saying there's four main bad guys.

331
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Oh, there's four main bad guys.

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So this story is Johnny's adventures on this plantation.

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And there's some poor white people who are probably the overseers of the sharecroppers.

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So they're baddies.

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The adults are the baddies, but they're kind of behind the scenes.

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There's two boys and a little girl.

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And one of the pivotal moments is when the little boys were torturing some dogs and they

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were threatening to drown a puppy.

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Yeah, the runt runs and the little girl steals a puppy away and gives it to Johnny.

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And then long story short, Johnny's mom, who's also one of the baddies, tries to force.

341
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See what she was dressing him in?

342
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Yeah.

343
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Like that's baddie level right there.

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Before she even opens her mouth.

345
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Yeah, she was dressing him in like little girls clothes and all this sort of stuff.

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I'm sure it was like, you know, city gentlemen, little kid wear.

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But you know, back in that, I think it was a modern invention around like the 1950s where

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they actually stopped putting boys and girls, babies, baby boys and baby girls in the same

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clothes.

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They used to just put both both genders in a dress.

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It was easy to change the diaper.

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It didn't matter.

353
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Yeah, I'm going to tell them they're like three or four years old.

354
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OK.

355
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Yeah, there wasn't any like blue or pink associated with any gender.

356
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And then, you know, corporations found out they can make a lot more money if they gendered

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their baby clothing.

358
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Right.

359
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You had to double up.

360
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Yeah.

361
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So, you know, I think some of it's that and some of it's like, what would the aristocrats

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be wearing in Atlanta be wearing?

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And I mean, this is some this is some frilly stuff.

364
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It's not not Tom Sawyer running around the riverbanks.

365
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No, kind of.

366
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No, but he's running around in his fancy suits around the plantation and of course, getting

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mocked by it by the poor boys, the poor white boys.

368
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Right.

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I don't think any of the black boys or black characters had any issue with his outfit.

370
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No, it was only that it was only the poor white.

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The poor whites were.

372
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Yeah.

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So the poor whites are torturing animals and doing all this crazy stuff.

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Like I say, it's not it's all subtext.

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Right.

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They're not very nice.

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These poor white people.

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And so anyway, John, you can like read into that stuff.

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But I think it's like it's a Disney movie and just for the kids.

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Right.

381
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Like the kids are just like, oh, these are some white people that live there.

382
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Probably the kids are just like, these are some people that live there that are kind

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of nasty.

384
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Yeah, exactly.

385
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You know, like the daughter's nice, but the dad is gone.

386
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The dad showed up largely.

387
00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:46,920
Yeah, he showed up at the end, but he must have been on a business trip or something.

388
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He was out with he was out in the fields overseeing.

389
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I'm guessing.

390
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Maybe.

391
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Yeah.

392
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And it's been several days.

393
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Yes.

394
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I believe you're very, very clear.

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And so but the husband was never there and they kind of made a big whole thing like daddy's

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back.

397
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Yeah.

398
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So I don't know where I can't remember.

399
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Maybe he was on business and who knows?

400
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He doesn't he's not really a master.

401
00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,440
Yeah.

402
00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:09,440
Yeah.

403
00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,160
He's not even he's even when you see him on screen, he's in the back so far.

404
00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,160
Yeah.

405
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He's so far back.

406
00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,160
Yeah.

407
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So yeah, his mom's kind of a baddie.

408
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So Uncle Remus takes the dog, which is against the wishes of the mother.

409
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Yep.

410
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And then he's found out and the mom freaks out and Uncle Remus and pretty much forbids

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Uncle Remus from associating with Johnny at all.

412
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Yeah.

413
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And a very weird way.

414
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It's subcontext, right?

415
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Like she is not a nice lady.

416
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,000
Yes.

417
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Lady at all.

418
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And anyway, Johnny ends up getting run over by a bull and somehow survives.

419
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And then his dad shows up.

420
00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:44,520
Yeah.

421
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Uncle Remus saves the day again.

422
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:46,520
Yeah.

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And the weird thing at the end was Johnny's mom was such a complete and utter bitch.

424
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Uncle Remus.

425
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And at the end, like his uncle remus was packing his bags to leave his home to get away from

426
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them.

427
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Yeah.

428
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And then and then like the bull thing happens and then he's just back and happy again.

429
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And the mom never once apologized to him.

430
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:05,640
Right.

431
00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,080
You know, so the mom was so unpleasant that uncle Remus thought it was better for him

432
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to leave than to stay.

433
00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:11,480
Let's put it that way.

434
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:12,480
Yeah.

435
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,480
Yeah.

436
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There's a lot of subtext that I don't understand why they why this is supposed to be some

437
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super racist film because the subtext is all there.

438
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,200
It's clear as day.

439
00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:22,200
Yeah.

440
00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:23,200
You can watch it critically.

441
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,200
Yeah.

442
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It's all there and I feel like it shows everyone that could be offended or who you think would

443
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be offended.

444
00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,560
It shows everyone there in a really positive light.

445
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Like there are no bad villains of this story that are black.

446
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,240
No, no.

447
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All the all the main characters are black and they're all goodies.

448
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,040
Yeah.

449
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If not outright heroic type characters who keep on saving these children from injuring

450
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themselves on this plantation unsupervised by their parents.

451
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Yes.

452
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Yeah.

453
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And they're shown to be doing things and working and being productive.

454
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Yeah.

455
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They're productive members of the society.

456
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The white people aren't.

457
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They're just kind of like dressing up their boy in little like girl dresses.

458
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Yeah.

459
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And being race callers.

460
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,160
Yeah.

461
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Being psychotic a-holes to the people who are helping them.

462
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,160
Yeah.

463
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So yeah.

464
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,520
I mean, I don't I don't think it's racist.

465
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I think, you know, if you're going to try and explore this, it's a movie.

466
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Those kind of themes in a Disney film like this is probably the movie to emulate.

467
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Yeah.

468
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It's a movie from a different era.

469
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And like I say, Uncle Remus was the main character, a hero type.

470
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He did not have a crazy accent.

471
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Probably.

472
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I mean, I think he was trying to be accurate to like that era.

473
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Yeah.

474
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It wasn't absurd by any means.

475
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It wasn't so much an accent as it was more of a cadence.

476
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Yes.

477
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Yeah.

478
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And using some of the words that one would expect an older black person of that, you

479
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know, era to use, because by and large, the enslaved people at the time were forbidden

480
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from learning to read or write.

481
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So they just kind of.

482
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,280
Absolutely.

483
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,960
It was used slang more so.

484
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,080
Definitely banned.

485
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:09,120
So the only thing that I didn't like, I was Uncle Remus calling Johnny Honey all the time.

486
00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:10,120
Yeah.

487
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Which was weird.

488
00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:12,520
But I think that's just a 1940s thing.

489
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:13,760
Southerners still do it.

490
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,840
Yeah, somebody I know who happens to be a black lady who's from the South and she calls

491
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,840
everybody honey and sugar all the time.

492
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,080
And she's in her 50s.

493
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,240
And that's just how she talks.

494
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,240
Yeah.

495
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,880
So, you know, I'm assuming that that's just like original to the story that was written

496
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,680
in the 1880s, for God's sakes.

497
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,680
You know, it's definitely a different era.

498
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:32,680
Yeah.

499
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,440
And so this movie kind of plays out if anyone has seen Bedknobs and Broomsticks.

500
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:38,440
Yes, I have.

501
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:39,440
Right.

502
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:40,520
And that's like that one is still out.

503
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:46,480
You can watch it on Disney Plus and everything, but that has a theme of Nazism through there

504
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,120
because it's set during World War II.

505
00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,120
Yes.

506
00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:51,120
And stuff.

507
00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,000
And so I don't see why that one could be OK.

508
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,520
And something with South is somehow not OK.

509
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,680
But the point I was trying to make was that Bedknobs and Broomsticks is largely a live

510
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:05,800
action film, but they have sequences of animated sections where the live actors are interacting

511
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:06,800
with animation.

512
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,200
You know, so it's like the precursor to Who Framed Roger Rabbit, yes, or, you know, any

513
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,200
of the Marvel movies.

514
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,200
Yeah, basically.

515
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,960
So and all of the the Briar stories are animated.

516
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:18,960
They have Uncle Remus.

517
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:26,400
Uncle Remus will sometimes walk or appear in the animation as a live actor to kind of

518
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:31,800
bookend or set us in the direction we need to go in the animated world story.

519
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:32,800
Yes.

520
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,520
So I'm kind of overviewed.

521
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,360
I want to talk about Aunt Tempe.

522
00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:41,760
Yes, because Aunt Tempe was played by Hattie McDaniel and Hattie McDaniel is Mammy from

523
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:42,760
Gone with the Wind.

524
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,080
And that just came out a couple of years before.

525
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,120
And she won an Academy Award for it.

526
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:51,280
And that performance has been criticized as being stereotypical and racist.

527
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,280
And maybe it was.

528
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,280
Her Gone with the Wind.

529
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,280
Her Gone with the Wind role.

530
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:55,280
Just so we're clear.

531
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,280
Yeah.

532
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,600
And Hattie McDaniel herself defended it, saying that her own grandmother was a slave on a

533
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,600
plantation who was a domestic.

534
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,080
And so she was like, a lot of second here.

535
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,080
Yeah.

536
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,080
Yeah.

537
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,280
Like this is accurate to her perception.

538
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,280
Yeah.

539
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,800
But in Song of the South, Hattie McDaniel was speaking in her normal voice.

540
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:14,800
Yeah.

541
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,000
There was no accent at all.

542
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,680
I mean, she was just she sang.

543
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,680
Yeah.

544
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:19,680
And she did.

545
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,240
She was just the domestic in the household with a normal voice.

546
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,320
And I don't I thought for sure that was going to be the zinger.

547
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,320
Yeah.

548
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:28,320
And it wasn't.

549
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,320
It was just normal.

550
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,000
That was weird because like the whole film, like you told it's such a racist film.

551
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,000
I was waiting for the shooting drop.

552
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,160
And Disney is actively trying and they did, I guess, release it.

553
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,400
But I don't think they released it on DVD or anything.

554
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,400
They might have just done some.

555
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,400
It was never released in the States.

556
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,680
Some theatrical stuff or in the States.

557
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:45,680
It was never released in the States.

558
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,580
But I know even as old or as recent as 2010, they had a release.

559
00:23:50,580 --> 00:23:51,580
But it was out.

560
00:23:51,580 --> 00:23:53,040
But I think it's a terrible transfer.

561
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,040
Oh, OK.

562
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,560
And that's why this 35 millimeter restoration was such a such a good one.

563
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,880
But yeah, I was you know, you're being told that this movie is offensive and racist.

564
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,840
And I just kind of kept watching it and like on edge almost like is this is this where

565
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,360
they're going to like are they dropping like the N word in here or like what what makes

566
00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:12,680
this movie so racist?

567
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,200
And I was waiting for something.

568
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,700
And there was it was very, very much benign, in my opinion.

569
00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:18,700
It was benign.

570
00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:23,940
And like I say, a critical viewing, which I was doing automatically, the subtext of

571
00:24:23,940 --> 00:24:28,400
the whites being bad was there for sure throughout the whole thing.

572
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,840
And I I just don't know what else you can expect from a movie.

573
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,760
Six. Yeah, even so I did more research like I do.

574
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,000
Yeah. The actor that played Uncle Remus.

575
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,400
Now, I can't remember his name.

576
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,600
Of course, I got his name in my thing here.

577
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,400
James Bassett was 44 in 1948.

578
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,040
So he was in his 41.

579
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,480
Yeah. Playing Uncle Remus.

580
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,360
And he died in 48. Yeah.

581
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:55,360
But he didn't go to the premiere because it was segregated.

582
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:58,040
And he didn't go.

583
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,080
Yeah.

584
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,080
McDaniel went, but he protested it.

585
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:07,840
And then after his death, Disney was the one that put his name forward to get an Oscar

586
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:08,840
for the film.

587
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:09,840
OK, yeah.

588
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,340
And that's why he got an Oscar.

589
00:25:11,340 --> 00:25:14,800
So this film has three Oscars or two Oscar winners.

590
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,120
Yeah. An Oscar winning song in the movie.

591
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:18,120
Yeah.

592
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:19,120
It's insane.

593
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:20,120
And the song is good.

594
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:21,120
It's good.

595
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:22,120
Yeah. Yeah.

596
00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:23,120
They they parody it.

597
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,920
And this makes that bit in it's the second Fletch movie with Chevy Chase.

598
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,200
There's a scene where he inherits a plantation.

599
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,400
And so he goes down to live at this plantation.

600
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,800
And then there's a whole scene where he does Zippity Doo Dah.

601
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,560
And he's in a white, you know, the white cotton suit and the animated bluebird comes on his

602
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:39,560
shoulder, of course.

603
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:40,560
Yeah.

604
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,880
Like it's a huge parody of Song of the South.

605
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:42,880
Yeah.

606
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,600
But it doesn't hit home for our generation because none of us have been able to see Song

607
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,600
of the South because Disney pulled it.

608
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,600
Right.

609
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,080
You know, I also think this could easily be remade.

610
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,080
Yes.

611
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,080
Good.

612
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,080
Make a good remake.

613
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,320
And that's where our fun little activity is.

614
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,320
I think we're about halfway with the cigars.

615
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,320
Yeah, we're about there.

616
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,320
Halfway ish.

617
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,560
We can do a quick cigar check and then we're going to do kind of our if we were to remake

618
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,760
it today and kind of go through that.

619
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:06,760
Yeah.

620
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,760
I like it.

621
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:08,760
I like it.

622
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:09,760
It's good.

623
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:10,760
It's smooth.

624
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,760
Smooth.

625
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:12,760
It's got a little bite.

626
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:13,760
Got a little bit of a bite.

627
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:14,760
I was worried about that when we first lit it up.

628
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:15,760
Yeah, it was a little apprehensive, but it's turned out to be good.

629
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:16,760
Yeah, it's good.

630
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,760
It's good.

631
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:18,760
So I was expecting a good cigar.

632
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:19,760
I will not tell a lie.

633
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,760
I don't think I've had an Oliva or Oliva.

634
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,760
Oliva.

635
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:24,760
Sorry.

636
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,760
I don't know.

637
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:26,760
The emphasis on the wrong syllable.

638
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:27,760
Yeah.

639
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:28,760
Think of Bolivar watches.

640
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:29,760
OK.

641
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:30,760
And then take the B off.

642
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:31,760
Yes.

643
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:32,760
I think.

644
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,760
Probably.

645
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:34,760
It's all accents.

646
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:35,760
Yeah.

647
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:36,760
Like this song with something.

648
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,760
It's like, well, is the accent offensive?

649
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:38,760
I don't think so.

650
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:39,760
It's not over the top.

651
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,360
If the accent is historically accurate, it didn't seem over the top to me.

652
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:44,360
Nothing seemed over the top.

653
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:48,600
And we just watched Murder by Death, which I think is from the 60s.

654
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,040
And it was kind of it's kind of like Clue, but Peter Sellers is in it.

655
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,040
OK.

656
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,600
But of course, there's a lot of famous actors in it.

657
00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:03,720
And of course, like, oh, human human Truman Capote is in it and some other people.

658
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:09,000
It's not important, but Peter Sellers plays a Chinese person the entire film.

659
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,000
Right.

660
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,200
And, you know, it's like that is still out there and you can still get it.

661
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:18,960
But that to me is like that's kind of it's the movie or to Marlon Brando is a Japanese

662
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,960
guy.

663
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,760
Was it Marlon Brando or was it Mickey York?

664
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,560
Mickey was Marlon Brando.

665
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,560
I don't know.

666
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:26,560
There was there was.

667
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,560
Yeah, there was one.

668
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,600
And then there was one whole James Bond movie with Sean Connery where they're like, we're

669
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,240
going to make you look Asian.

670
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:37,160
And so they put like extra eyelids on him or something for one scene.

671
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,280
And then he's supposed and they gave him like a bowl cut.

672
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,280
Yeah.

673
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,160
And then I'm like, but that's that's more offensive to me than anything in Song of the

674
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,160
South.

675
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,160
Oh, for sure.

676
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,160
I mean, the Genghis Khan were John Wayne.

677
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,160
Yeah, yeah.

678
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,680
It's like really, I think the reason and this is just my opinion.

679
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,080
I think the reason why those are more acceptable is because they're making fun of Asian people

680
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,600
and Asian people are largely integrated into the majority culture in America.

681
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:02,600
Yeah.

682
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,360
I mean, that doesn't mean it's not offensive.

683
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:05,720
It does not mean it's not offensive.

684
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,320
You know, in that era, that was kind of the thing to do in Hollywood pictures, I think,

685
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,160
was make fun of Asians for a bit.

686
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,160
Right.

687
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,440
It's like Native Americans and early Westerns.

688
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,440
Right.

689
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:16,440
Yeah.

690
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,440
Yeah.

691
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,360
Some of them, some of the older Westerns, I thought about this to the later John Waynes

692
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:21,360
and the Clint Eastwoods.

693
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:22,360
Yeah.

694
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:25,080
I think Native Americans are sympathetically portrayed openly.

695
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,080
Yeah.

696
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,360
Even in the earlier black and white stuff.

697
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:30,600
Well, and a lot of those like the speaking roles of the Native Americans are given to

698
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,600
white actors.

699
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:32,600
Yes.

700
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:38,040
But I think so one of my favorites is The Searchers with John Wayne, because that's

701
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,840
like John Wayne is very much like the villain throughout that whole thing.

702
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:42,840
Right.

703
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:43,840
You know, up until the end.

704
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,840
Yeah.

705
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,560
You know, but it kind of it's almost like what was that movie with Clint Eastwood, Grand

706
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,720
Torino, where he's like the angry guy sitting on his porch.

707
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,720
Yeah.

708
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,680
Like that's like The Searchers is John Wayne's kind of like version of that or whatever,

709
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,720
where he's like the angry racist guy that you're like, and he fought for the South.

710
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,640
Remember, he came back from the war and he never really talked about his war stuff, but

711
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,040
he was very clearly a Confederate soldier.

712
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,040
Very clearly.

713
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,040
Yeah.

714
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,200
On the racist side of the spectrum.

715
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,200
Openly.

716
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,880
So, you know, I mean, but it's a great film because there's more of a character study

717
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,840
and less of which race is good or bad.

718
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,200
I mean, there's some of that, but like it's more a character study and things.

719
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,700
So and like this like Sion of the South is all kind of like little morality tales.

720
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:31,720
So it's like original series Star Trek, where it's like, right.

721
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:37,160
There are little things where Briar Rabbit has to get himself out of these these troubles.

722
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,400
There was one scene I looked it up because it was such a silly term to me, the Tar Baby.

723
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,400
Yes.

724
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,400
They made the Tar Baby.

725
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:49,400
So apparently that's something from other cultures and they ball up some tar and then

726
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,400
you get stuck in it.

727
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,400
Right.

728
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,400
So.

729
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,240
But it has been used as a racist slur, but it didn't originate as one.

730
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,240
It has.

731
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,400
So I looked this up.

732
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:03,960
So the Tar Bear Weed story, the best version is from 1880 and it comes from Uncle Remus

733
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,320
and there's a long history.

734
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,520
There's versions of it.

735
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:12,920
They've surfaced in Nigeria, Brazil, Corsica, Jamaica, India, the Philippines and the American

736
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:13,920
South.

737
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:21,160
And it has a long story based in the slave cultures of those countries.

738
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:26,640
And the subtext is the stories of how they were captured and became slaves.

739
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,640
Right.

740
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:34,040
So this is like a folklore tale from the slaves perspective about how they were captured and

741
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,860
forced into slavery.

742
00:30:35,860 --> 00:30:38,680
And that's why the fox and the bear are like the baddies.

743
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,680
Right.

744
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,680
And they are dumb.

745
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:41,680
They're not the wise character.

746
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,080
The rabbit is the wise character.

747
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:48,240
The rabbit is supposed to be the person in the story or the being in the story you are

748
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,240
identifying with.

749
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,240
Yeah.

750
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,600
So he's kind of like he's almost like a bug's bunny.

751
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,240
He definitely is a troublemaker.

752
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,920
And he thinks he's too smart to get caught, but he gets caught in every story.

753
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,400
And then he has to be smarter than he was to get into it, to get out of it.

754
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,400
So right.

755
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,400
Exactly.

756
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,880
And that's kind of the whole theme of the thing is the stories.

757
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,840
I think that Uncle Remus in this movie picked were stories that would resonate with Johnny

758
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,120
to get him to be OK with his dad not being there.

759
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,120
Just like.

760
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,120
Right.

761
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,360
And the stories relate to whatever fiasco Johnny got himself.

762
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,360
Yeah.

763
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,000
That Uncle Remus had to go and find Johnny and save him from himself.

764
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,880
That's the theme over and over again.

765
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:30,640
His Uncle Remus is saving Johnny from the natural consequences of Johnny's shit as he's

766
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,640
running around.

767
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,640
Yeah, Johnny.

768
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:33,640
Unfamiliar environment.

769
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:34,640
Yeah.

770
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,760
Johnny gets to fuck around and Uncle Remus prevents him from finding out.

771
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,760
That's correct.

772
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,760
Yeah.

773
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,760
Yeah.

774
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,080
And then they're in an unfamiliar environment doing dangerous things.

775
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,080
Yeah.

776
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,080
Making enemies with the hillbilly boys.

777
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,080
Enemies with the psychotic hillbilly boys who want to drown dogs.

778
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,080
Like if they would have had a sack big enough for Johnny, I think they would have just dropped

779
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,080
him in the river.

780
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Right.

781
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,080
Yeah.

782
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,080
They were like torturing the dog on screen.

783
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,080
It's kind of crazy.

784
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,080
Yeah.

785
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,080
Yeah.

786
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,080
It didn't have the it didn't have the PETA disclaimer at the end.

787
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,080
No.

788
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,080
This is before that.

789
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,080
Yeah.

790
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:06,080
I would say that the most or the least kid friendly things were the stories with the

791
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,080
cartoons, because they're talking about skinning the rabbit alive.

792
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,920
And burning him and wanted to cut his head off.

793
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:12,920
Yeah.

794
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:13,920
Yeah.

795
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:14,920
Bash his brains in.

796
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,040
Pretty explicit things they were going to do to this animated rabbit.

797
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,040
Yes.

798
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,240
And well, and again, if you look at the context of the stories, the rabbit are the slaves

799
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,960
and the fox and the bear represent the slave captors or the slave masters.

800
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:28,960
Yeah.

801
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:29,960
And they're the baddies.

802
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Right.

803
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:31,960
Yeah.

804
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:32,960
This is the context of the story.

805
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,960
It's kind of interesting.

806
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:34,960
Okay.

807
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,920
Well, let's let's go through some of the casting stuff.

808
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:42,160
I've got I am to be up on the laptop here and we can do it on our phones, too, in case

809
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,960
we mention actors, because I tried not to go super, super, super well known with some

810
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:47,960
of the people.

811
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,960
Okay.

812
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,320
But just who I felt would do it justice.

813
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,320
Okay.

814
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,800
So I went two different routes.

815
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:54,800
Yeah.

816
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,080
This is going to be a treat for you guys.

817
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,080
Yes.

818
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,480
Because I did a real one that I thought and then I did one where I tried to imagine myself

819
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,720
in the place of modern Disney.

820
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:04,720
Yeah.

821
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:10,160
So let's go through both of our ones and then we'll do the politically correct or the modern

822
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,160
Disney one.

823
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,160
Yes.

824
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,160
And then we'll talk about any points.

825
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,160
Sounds good.

826
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,160
So I don't know.

827
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,160
Do you just want to start with Uncle Remus?

828
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,760
Yeah, I'll start with Uncle Remus.

829
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,240
I think that Uncle Remus should be Denzel Washington.

830
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,240
Okay.

831
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,280
And the reason why I think this is because if they were to remake it, they would have

832
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:31,800
to have the main actor have some gravitas and respectability and enough talent to be

833
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,760
able to sing and to be able to do a little dance number and to be active enough to save

834
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,080
Johnny in these misadventures.

835
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,840
And Denzel's old enough to be the grandfatherly character.

836
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,840
I can see that.

837
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:44,840
I don't know if Denzel sings.

838
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,640
Guarantee you Denzel can sing.

839
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,640
But you know what?

840
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,680
It doesn't even really matter because nowadays in movies, they just get bring in somebody

841
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,680
else to do the song.

842
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:53,680
Right.

843
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:54,680
Right.

844
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:55,680
So that doesn't matter.

845
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:56,680
Okay.

846
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:57,680
So for Uncle Remus, I had two picks.

847
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,840
The first one was Stephen McKinley Henderson or Jeffrey Wright.

848
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,480
I do not know who either one of those are.

849
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,480
Okay.

850
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:04,480
That's why we've got this up.

851
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,240
So I will pull this up here.

852
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,000
And I think this is good because I wanted to even McKinley Henderson.

853
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,360
He was in Benses, I think, recently and Lady Bird, Bo's Parade.

854
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,360
He was in Lincoln.

855
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,360
Okay.

856
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,360
But this is him.

857
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,200
And I just felt like he does kind of looks the part.

858
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,200
Yeah.

859
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,880
He looks a lot like the actor that played Uncle Remus in the 46 version.

860
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,840
Not portly, heavier set, a little bit, but not bad.

861
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,600
I thought he would be good because he's got just that kind of like uncle face or like

862
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,440
the kind older gentlemen.

863
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,440
And then Jeffrey Wright.

864
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,440
Oh, I've seen him before.

865
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,440
Yeah.

866
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,440
He's been in lots of things.

867
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,440
He was in the Batman shafts.

868
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,440
Sure.

869
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,440
He looks similar to the actor that played Uncle Remus as well.

870
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,440
Yeah.

871
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,440
You know.

872
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,120
And so I just felt like those were both they were lesser known because at first I was like,

873
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,240
well, they probably cast Will Smith in the remake.

874
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:57,680
No, we don't want Will Smith.

875
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,960
But like that would be one of the things where it's like, well, he already played the genie

876
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:02,960
in Aladdin.

877
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,400
And so now he can do that.

878
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,080
Not that Will Smith isn't a very talented actor and he could do the singing.

879
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,080
Yeah.

880
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,080
I mean, he could do the stuff.

881
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,080
Yeah.

882
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,080
Yeah.

883
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,080
So yeah.

884
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,080
So those are my two picks.

885
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,080
Yep.

886
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,080
That makes sense.

887
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,080
I would be happy with either.

888
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,080
I'd be happy with Denzel too.

889
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,080
Oh, yeah.

890
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,080
I went with Denzel just because I was like, oh, this is going to be controversial.

891
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,680
You have to have the main two main stars have to be people who are respected.

892
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:25,680
Yeah.

893
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,680
And who they're not going to get.

894
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,840
They're not going to give Denzel watching flack about a serious role.

895
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:30,840
You know?

896
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,840
Yeah.

897
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,840
So they have to be able to take the heat.

898
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,880
Otherwise, like, you know, like Samuel L. Jackson was like, he's kind of like the first

899
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,720
one that like popped into my head, but I was like, he's kind of overplayed.

900
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:40,720
He couldn't do the same.

901
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:43,720
So, you know, yeah, yeah.

902
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:45,080
He could be a background character.

903
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,160
He could be one of the older guys running around that they run into.

904
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,160
Yeah.

905
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,360
So let's do Sally, which is the mom.

906
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,360
Sally, which is the mom.

907
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,280
I have two people and my first two people as well.

908
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,280
Oh, OK.

909
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,280
But you why don't you go first?

910
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,520
They're going to know who mine are.

911
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,520
All right.

912
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:00,520
So Sally.

913
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:01,880
Well, I picked some known people for other stuff.

914
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,160
I wanted Uncle Remus like I wanted that look kind of like I wanted the actor to innately

915
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,160
have that look.

916
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,160
Sure.

917
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,160
Yeah.

918
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,600
Like the fatherly or the grandfatherly, you know, like I would totally sit down and listen

919
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,800
to this dude tell a story about literally any.

920
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:14,800
Right.

921
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,800
Not in a creepy way.

922
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,800
Yeah.

923
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,400
That's why I didn't put Joe Biden down to play on the remus.

924
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,000
Anyway, so for Sally, I put Jessica Chastain.

925
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,600
I've heard that.

926
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,880
We'll look it up so I can see.

927
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,200
And then the other one was Bryce Dallas Howard.

928
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,200
OK.

929
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,200
But she was in Bryce Dallas.

930
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,880
Howard was in the new Jurassic Park.

931
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,000
Oh, I know that is OK.

932
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,000
I've seen her.

933
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,000
I wanted someone kind of like that could do like kind of the southern bell type.

934
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,000
Yes.

935
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,000
So yes.

936
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,360
My first choice was a southern a well known southern musician.

937
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,360
Miley Cyrus.

938
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,360
OK.

939
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,320
I thought that my first of all, Miley Cyrus.

940
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,520
So my ideal remake, there's going to be a musical part with the grandmother and with

941
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,720
the mother being nasty, unpleasant people.

942
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:00,720
OK.

943
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,040
So I wanted the mother to have some chops.

944
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,040
Yes.

945
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,480
And Miley Cyrus, of course, can do that role.

946
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,480
Yes.

947
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,520
And she and she's got the attitude to be able to pull off kind of.

948
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,520
She could be the wicked mother.

949
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,520
Yes.

950
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:13,520
Yeah.

951
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,520
You need that.

952
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,120
You need somebody that has that kind of edge to be the mom, because when she's talking

953
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,360
to Uncle Remus, it's you know, you do not like her.

954
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,360
Yes.

955
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,540
Actively, she is unpleasant.

956
00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:23,920
Even the child, Johnny doesn't like his own mother.

957
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:24,920
Yeah.

958
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,640
And the husband is kind of doesn't like his own wife.

959
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,680
He's like, I guess there was kind of a little subplot of that, too, where the grandmother

960
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,720
was like, well, Johnny needs his dad.

961
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:34,720
And so do you.

962
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:35,720
Yeah.

963
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:36,720
To the to the mom.

964
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:37,720
Yeah.

965
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:38,720
The mom's like, I'm a strong woman.

966
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:39,720
Yeah.

967
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:41,880
So the dad, who would you cast as the dad?

968
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,520
Well, first of all, my second choice for the mother was Scarlett Johansson.

969
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:45,640
Oh, OK.

970
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:51,520
Just because she's getting older and she's got acting chops and she could do the role

971
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,800
and she's well known.

972
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:53,800
Yeah.

973
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,480
And people would be like, oh, that's OK.

974
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,480
And that's kind of back in my mind.

975
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,400
I'm like, you have to have these people that they're not going to run away from the role.

976
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,400
Yeah.

977
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,400
My father was Chris Pine.

978
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,400
OK, that's a good one.

979
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,400
Yeah.

980
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,680
I picked Patrick Wilson because he just has the sideburns already.

981
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:07,680
Yeah.

982
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,400
Mostly, you know, and he's got, you know, like the dad's not in there a whole lot.

983
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,320
So you don't really have to do anything.

984
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,280
And Patrick Wilson is the star of the Insidious franchise, right?

985
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,280
Yeah, I think so.

986
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:23,000
Like he's got he's got enough acting chops to play the dad, you know, kind of aloof or,

987
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,920
you know, focused on his troubles at home.

988
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:25,920
Yeah.

989
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,480
And I just thought he looked an awful lot like the person they cast as the dad in the

990
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:30,480
original anyway.

991
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,280
And you know, he's not Robert Pattinson on the look, but Robert Pattinson's not an American

992
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,280
from the South.

993
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,280
Yeah.

994
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,280
And that to me would be important.

995
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,280
Yes.

996
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,160
You know, and like, yeah, I mean, you know, the dad isn't a huge.

997
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,640
No, he's only in two scenes.

998
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:44,640
Yeah.

999
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:45,840
It's basically just who would you want to see?

1000
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:46,840
Right.

1001
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,080
And you know, you could have a little bit of a twist to the beginning and to the end

1002
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,800
of the story for the political backdrop of the film.

1003
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,560
I mean, you could certainly and we'll talk about this part later, but you could certainly

1004
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,200
give more scenes to the dad or have him in a few more scenes.

1005
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,200
Yeah.

1006
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,640
You know, just to kind of like round out the character.

1007
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,760
He's a friction creator in the story.

1008
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:03,760
So all right.

1009
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:04,760
So Aunt Tempe Aunt Tempe.

1010
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:10,560
No, I have the same actress for both my fantasy version and my Disney.

1011
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,600
And that and we said it wasn't Lizzo.

1012
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:14,600
Not Lizzo.

1013
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,600
And this is important to me.

1014
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,840
So Hattie McDaniel was the first woman to win the first black woman to win an Oscar.

1015
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:20,840
Who was the second black woman?

1016
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:21,840
Who would be Goldberg?

1017
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,840
OK.

1018
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,840
And I thought that would be Goldberg.

1019
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,000
She's got the abilities and it's a nice tie in with the Oscar things.

1020
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,600
Like there's a lot of politics there.

1021
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:32,600
Yeah.

1022
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:33,960
And I haven't seen who would be Goldberg in a film in a long time.

1023
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,120
And I really like to see her.

1024
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,120
Well, she's doing it.

1025
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,120
She's doing like a new show.

1026
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,120
She's not like a talking show.

1027
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,120
Yeah.

1028
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,120
Yeah.

1029
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,120
It's a waste of her talent.

1030
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,120
Yeah.

1031
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,120
Yeah.

1032
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,120
Yeah.

1033
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,120
So I had Octavia Spencer.

1034
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,400
She's got the skills to I just you know, someone with acting chops that can do it.

1035
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,840
I feel like she's if she were given a big song and dance number, she's spry enough to

1036
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:53,840
be able to do it right.

1037
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,080
You know, I just want to see who would be Goldberg with her dreadlocks on the screen,

1038
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,080
like doing the dance and the singing.

1039
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,080
Yeah.

1040
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,520
So full disclosure, I didn't cast any of the kids.

1041
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:08,840
I didn't cast Johnny, Ginny or Toby because I just kind of felt in my heart that it would

1042
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,520
just be casting some unknowns on my version.

1043
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,080
I did not cast the kids on the Disney version.

1044
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,080
I did.

1045
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,080
OK, yeah.

1046
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,080
Yeah.

1047
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,080
So we're on the same.

1048
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,600
So the grandmother, who would you do with the grandma?

1049
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:20,600
All right.

1050
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:21,840
So I had an initial jerk.

1051
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,840
Yeah.

1052
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,160
And then I thought about it and I picked somebody else.

1053
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,160
I know I had an initial jerk too.

1054
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,160
And then I picked someone else.

1055
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,160
Yeah.

1056
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,160
My who's your initial one?

1057
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,160
Who?

1058
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,840
Oh, man, I just had her name in my head.

1059
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,120
She's the one that always wins Oscars all the time.

1060
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,120
And she's in every three.

1061
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,120
Yeah.

1062
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,120
Meryl Streep.

1063
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,120
That was like my initial.

1064
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,120
I was like, oh, Meryl Streep.

1065
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,720
She's she's my grandmother for the Disney vacation.

1066
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:42,720
Oh, OK.

1067
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:47,000
My initial jerk was Paula Dean, because she's like well known and she's publicly.

1068
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,000
Yes.

1069
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,000
A not nice person.

1070
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,440
And I was like, on second thought, she's probably not going to be able to do any singing with

1071
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,440
my Lyceus.

1072
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,440
Yeah.

1073
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,440
So I picked Kathy Beats.

1074
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,440
Oh, hey, that's a good one.

1075
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:00,440
Yeah.

1076
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:01,440
I went a little different.

1077
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,960
So like I tried to cast body type for most of the other ones.

1078
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,480
For the grandmother, I picked Sigourney Weaver.

1079
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:08,480
Oh, sure.

1080
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,480
Yeah.

1081
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,320
And then we have the gravitas to be able to be a complex character.

1082
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,320
Yeah.

1083
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,320
Right.

1084
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,280
Because the grandma is sometimes mean, but sometimes nice.

1085
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:26,200
And like she sometimes dislikes the black people, but dislikes her daughter in law,

1086
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,920
but also has to be nice to the daughter in law.

1087
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,360
So like it's kind of like layers that this actress would have to portray.

1088
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,360
Right.

1089
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,360
And that's why I got went away from Paula Dean.

1090
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,360
Yeah.

1091
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,040
I don't know if she's got the abilities to do that.

1092
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,040
Yeah.

1093
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,640
And there's and there's such public outcry about her that it would be a very controversial

1094
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:43,640
casting choice.

1095
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:44,640
Right.

1096
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:45,640
Just for like box office.

1097
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:46,640
Yeah.

1098
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:52,400
And then I did go ahead and I cast Miss Faber's, which is the mother of the three little rapscallions.

1099
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,560
Oh, OK.

1100
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:54,560
I did not.

1101
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,560
OK.

1102
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:56,560
So this is the mom.

1103
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:57,560
She's got scenes.

1104
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:58,560
Yes.

1105
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,560
And dialogue.

1106
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:00,560
I picked Mia Goth.

1107
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:06,280
So she was in X. But I thought because she's done all these horror films, but she has

1108
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,080
like a really, really nice kind of like presence.

1109
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,080
So it's like, oh, OK.

1110
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,080
Sure.

1111
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,080
She looks like she could be a poor white lady.

1112
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,080
But you know, like look in some of these.

1113
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,080
Oh, sure.

1114
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,480
Like she could totally play that.

1115
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,480
Yeah.

1116
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,480
And she could do it where she would be.

1117
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,760
She could be very nice to the daughter, Ginny, which is how the mom is, and pretty nasty

1118
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,960
to the boys, which is kind of how it is.

1119
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:32,460
And so Mia Goth, if you haven't seen X or Pearl, like I highly, highly recommend those.

1120
00:42:32,460 --> 00:42:38,280
And she can she can flip like in a like in a heart from like, you know, zero to.

1121
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,280
Yeah.

1122
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,280
Yeah.

1123
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,800
So those are kind of my picks.

1124
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:42,800
So I did more.

1125
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,800
Oh, OK.

1126
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:44,800
I did more.

1127
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:45,800
Yeah.

1128
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:46,800
Did you do the voices for the animated ones?

1129
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,800
I did.

1130
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:48,800
The animated ones.

1131
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,040
So for Briar Rabbit, who is the main protagonist, I thought Tracy Morgan would be a great voice

1132
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,040
actor.

1133
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:59,600
And then I looked at the original script and James Beckett, he or Baskett, he voiced the

1134
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:00,600
Fox.

1135
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:01,600
Yeah.

1136
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,920
And then I would do the voice of Washington, voice Briar Rabbit and just do a little turn.

1137
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:05,920
Yeah.

1138
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:06,920
And that would be acceptable.

1139
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,400
But I thought Tracy Morgan would be great because he's kind of a goofy character.

1140
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,400
He was fun loving.

1141
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,400
Yeah.

1142
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:12,400
I'm like, oh, Tracy Morgan, that's good.

1143
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,400
I can do that.

1144
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:14,400
Chris Rock would be OK.

1145
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,400
Chris Rock can do it.

1146
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,400
Oh, for sure.

1147
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,240
You know, it's just a distinct voice.

1148
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:22,800
You don't have to like Chris Rock to, you know, to support him in this because it's

1149
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:23,800
just a voice, right?

1150
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:24,800
It's just a voice.

1151
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,240
So I also did the Fox.

1152
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:27,240
OK.

1153
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:28,840
And that to me, that screamed Eddie Murphy.

1154
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:29,840
Yeah.

1155
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,080
And he's a real voice actor and the Fox talks a lot.

1156
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,080
Yes.

1157
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,480
And and there's a lot of the fast talking that Eddie Murphy is well known for.

1158
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,480
Yeah.

1159
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,480
Eddie Murphy would be great.

1160
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,480
The bear.

1161
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,760
I only had one idea for the bear and that would be Larry the Cable Guy.

1162
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,920
OK, because he's kind of the dumb southern accent stereotype.

1163
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:45,920
Yeah.

1164
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,920
And he's done.

1165
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,720
He's done voice acting in Cars.

1166
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:49,720
Right.

1167
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:51,960
And Larry the Cable Guy has that down.

1168
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,320
He's got that shtick down.

1169
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,920
I would want so Larry the Cable Guy in Cars, I think, was kind of the height of the blue

1170
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,000
color comedy tour.

1171
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,200
So he was doing a lot of his Larry the Cable Guy ism's in the movie Cars.

1172
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,800
So I would want Larry the Cable Guy to not be just doing no.

1173
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,400
The Larry the Cable Guy shtick.

1174
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,920
I'd want him to be doing the voice right as as a whole new character.

1175
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:14,920
Yeah.

1176
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,400
I would want him to do it with his like cadence and stuff, but I don't need the you know,

1177
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,160
like he's got to be brutish and violent.

1178
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,400
I don't want to be like, that's funny right there.

1179
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,400
Yeah.

1180
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:24,600
You know, I don't need that shtick from him.

1181
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,600
Yeah, he could do it.

1182
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,240
He's the dumb violent animal.

1183
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:31,520
Yeah, now I think in the in the original 1946 version, all of the animated characters were

1184
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:32,520
voiced by black actors.

1185
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:33,720
Yes, yes, they were.

1186
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:37,160
So I was trying to I was going to do the voices and I kind of got stuck because I'm like,

1187
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:42,240
I don't you know, I don't really know who I mean, like James Earl Jones would be awesome.

1188
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,280
James Earl Jones is the bear of the frog.

1189
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,920
That's who I had to know for the frog.

1190
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,800
Yeah, because he had that real deep gremlin voice.

1191
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,240
I'm like, he was kind of a narrator and not directly involved.

1192
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:53,000
Yeah, that's perfect for James.

1193
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,000
Yeah.

1194
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,240
Yeah, that's pretty much our recasting.

1195
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:57,440
But now I have I have the new and improved casting.

1196
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,920
All right, let's see the one you're sending to Bob Iger's desk.

1197
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:00,920
All right.

1198
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,160
So the grandmother who is evil, she's got to be evil and she has to be Meryl Streep.

1199
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,880
Yeah, she's she's an evil character.

1200
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:06,880
She can do it.

1201
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:07,880
Yeah.

1202
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:08,880
The mother, RuPaul.

1203
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,000
OK, RuPaul RuPaul, you know, is very flamboyant.

1204
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,000
Yeah.

1205
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,600
And the mother can be it's got to be the father, Chaz Bono.

1206
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:15,600
OK, yeah.

1207
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,600
Chaz is going to have to maybe lose some weight, you know, to fit in the carriage with all

1208
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,600
the other characters.

1209
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,600
Yeah, see Chaz Bono all the way.

1210
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:27,760
The little boy, I can't remember his name now, Toby, Toby, Toby, Toby.

1211
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:28,760
It's going to be a girl now.

1212
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:29,760
We're recasting Toby.

1213
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:30,760
Yeah.

1214
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,760
Any black girl will work.

1215
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:33,760
Yeah.

1216
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,200
The little girl, Jenny, she's now going to be indigenous.

1217
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,400
She's not going to be white.

1218
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,400
Yeah.

1219
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,440
OK, Remus, Uncle Remus is now Uncle Remus again, but it's going to be played by Leslie Jones.

1220
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,780
OK, and not a Leslie Jones in drag, just Leslie Jones.

1221
00:45:45,780 --> 00:45:49,800
And they're going to ignore everything and just say, my name is Uncle Remus and I am Leslie

1222
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,800
Jones.

1223
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:51,800
Yeah.

1224
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,560
And it's going to be looking over again because, yeah, it makes sense.

1225
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:55,560
It actually does make sense.

1226
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:56,560
It's too much.

1227
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:57,560
Rabbit, Melissa McCarty.

1228
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:58,560
Yeah.

1229
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,280
Because Melissa McCarty does that fast talk and she's entertaining in that way.

1230
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,720
The fox, because the fox is nasty and unpleasant and smart, it's going to be Ellen DeGeneres.

1231
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,320
OK, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1232
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,000
The bear is going to be Selma Hayek.

1233
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,760
OK, yeah, because you got to get some diversity in this casting.

1234
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,560
I had to get at least one Hispanic person as a main character.

1235
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:16,560
Yep.

1236
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,680
Now, Jenny is going to be any trans person of color child.

1237
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,880
It doesn't matter, but it's got to be diversity.

1238
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,440
The brothers, the two evil brothers are going to be white boys.

1239
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,440
So got to be.

1240
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,440
Yeah.

1241
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,560
You know, because they're evil and all that.

1242
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:33,320
And then the frog, who again, very small role, more narration to be Dylan Mulvey.

1243
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,320
OK.

1244
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,880
Now, did you notice what I did with those?

1245
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,200
Yes, I did.

1246
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,680
So would you still set it in reconstruction as some?

1247
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,880
You almost you could do it.

1248
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,680
You could recast it in the storytime setting like the old Walt Disney stories where he'd

1249
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,280
open it up in like a library library setting.

1250
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,840
Uncle Remus could be there reading to Johnny and Toby.

1251
00:46:58,840 --> 00:46:59,840
You know what I mean?

1252
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,080
And introduce it through this lens.

1253
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,400
And then they could go into a fantasy of reconstruction itself.

1254
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,600
But you'd have to have the sharecroppers more openly not like their job.

1255
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:16,840
Yeah, I was thinking about taking it and setting it in some kind of like like urban setting.

1256
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,520
You know, like maybe like downtown Atlanta.

1257
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,600
But I was thinking maybe not modern times, but set it in like the desegregation era.

1258
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,200
Oh, like the 50s or whatever.

1259
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,200
Right.

1260
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:29,200
And just kind of update it.

1261
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,360
It has some sort of more right spots, a little bit more modern.

1262
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,360
Yeah.

1263
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,360
Get away from some of that.

1264
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:39,440
You know, the plantation kind of stuff since it's obviously offensive to people.

1265
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,320
It is offensive to people, but it's it's that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

1266
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,480
I'm just saying, like if you want to make this film today, you still call the song in

1267
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,160
the South, set it in the South, set it in Atlanta or somewhere, and then have it be

1268
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,280
more about the integration or desegregation.

1269
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,280
Right.

1270
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,280
Right.

1271
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:55,280
And then you could.

1272
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,480
And then a lot of the stuff will still work.

1273
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,480
You know, the tension between the mom and uncle Remus.

1274
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:00,480
Yes.

1275
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,760
You know, and some of that other stuff.

1276
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,400
So yeah, I think that there should be more tension between the mother and the grandmother

1277
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,400
and uncle Remus.

1278
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,400
Yeah.

1279
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,400
Yeah.

1280
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,960
There's subtext in the original that they couldn't fully explore.

1281
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:11,960
Yeah.

1282
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,280
And it was a brisk like hour 20 minutes.

1283
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,280
Yeah.

1284
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,920
And not a long hour and a half long movie.

1285
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,800
What's hour and thirty four minutes, including the intro in the outro.

1286
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:20,800
So yeah.

1287
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:21,800
Yeah.

1288
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,560
What other changes would you make to it?

1289
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,560
You said you had added scenes or oh, yeah, the added scenes would be the mother and the

1290
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,080
grandmother have to do a musical number where they're naughty and bad.

1291
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,080
Yes.

1292
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,080
Right.

1293
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,080
That's the thing.

1294
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,440
And then the sharecroppers, you could have the two scenes of the sharecroppers that they

1295
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,120
had going to and from the fields.

1296
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,120
Yeah.

1297
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:42,880
But they have to be like miserable and possibly, you know, more politically active.

1298
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:43,880
Yeah.

1299
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,160
And then the end scene where they're all hovering around the manor house when Johnny was hurt,

1300
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,160
that cut that.

1301
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,160
Yeah.

1302
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,160
We don't need that.

1303
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,160
No, no.

1304
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,520
I think the song that the grandmother and mom would do would have to be something where

1305
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:01,920
they're not overtly singing about supporting racism and slavery, but it would be something

1306
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,360
along the lines of like the daughter in law would be like, oh, you had it so much easier

1307
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,000
when you were my age to the grandmother.

1308
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:13,440
It's kind of like pining for the old days without actually explicitly saying like we

1309
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,440
want slavery back.

1310
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:15,440
Yes.

1311
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,840
Something like, yeah, you know, where you could take it in one way and all the kids

1312
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,720
would take it as like, hey, change is good and look forward and stuff.

1313
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,880
I think everyone else would be like they want to.

1314
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,480
If they were going to do a remake, I think they'd have to do a PG 13 or have a little

1315
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,000
more edge to it.

1316
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:37,400
Like it would be a teenager movie, like informational kind of with folklore tales.

1317
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:38,400
Yep.

1318
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,040
Because you could totally make the Johnny character in the Toby character older.

1319
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,040
Yeah.

1320
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,040
You could.

1321
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,760
And even even as it is now, it's not a G movie.

1322
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,840
No, not with the level of violence in it.

1323
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:49,840
Yeah.

1324
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,040
It's even though they don't show a lot of the violence, but when they cut the bear's

1325
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:58,320
tail off, when the bear says yes, when the bear says he wants to knock his head off and

1326
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,800
then proceeds to try to knock his head off.

1327
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:01,800
Yeah.

1328
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,320
And the fox tries to roast him on the spit and then does roast him.

1329
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:06,320
Yeah.

1330
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,320
Yeah.

1331
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,320
Yeah.

1332
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:09,320
Yeah.

1333
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:10,320
Yeah.

1334
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,320
It's definitely not G rated.

1335
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:12,320
No.

1336
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,600
It's probably PG 13, you know.

1337
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,040
So but Disney's such a bunch of wussies.

1338
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,760
I don't get why they don't release us with this disclaimer.

1339
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,480
It is no worse than Gomuwin.

1340
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:22,480
Yeah.

1341
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,200
And it's no worse than like Aristocats.

1342
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,520
They've got like the Siamese cats that are, you know, Asian stereotypes.

1343
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,440
It's nowhere near as bad as Peter Pan.

1344
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,440
Yeah.

1345
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,440
That makes the red man red.

1346
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:33,440
Yeah.

1347
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,440
That is over the top.

1348
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:35,440
Yeah.

1349
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:36,440
Like, yeah, over the top.

1350
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:37,440
Yeah.

1351
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,640
So, yeah, I mean, I don't understand why they wouldn't.

1352
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,840
I feel like this is a movie that is exactly what you need that disclaimer for.

1353
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:45,840
Right.

1354
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:46,840
Right.

1355
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,000
There's still good stuff in this movie and it's showing us how times were.

1356
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,680
We don't endorse the way things were or whatever their disclaimer is.

1357
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:53,680
Right.

1358
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,880
This is about a specific time period in American history.

1359
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:02,320
This would be a perfect one to release with a documentary with it, like an hour long documentary

1360
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:07,440
about the actors and about times and about the context of the releases and the segregation

1361
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:08,440
that was going on and.

1362
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:09,440
Yeah.

1363
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:10,440
Like the backstories.

1364
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:11,440
Yeah.

1365
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,560
There was a famous black actor or actress that was calling for the release of this film.

1366
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,960
They wanted Disney to release it.

1367
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:17,960
Oh, I don't know.

1368
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:18,960
I don't know.

1369
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:19,960
Yeah.

1370
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:20,960
I just don't think that Disney thinks it's worth the effort.

1371
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:21,960
Yeah.

1372
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:26,200
You would think, though, that it would be such an easy like cash grab them because that's

1373
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,920
what they're interested in now is they make they make like dumbed down versions of their

1374
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:30,920
animated films.

1375
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,920
Right.

1376
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,680
Which weren't like cerebral to begin with.

1377
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:34,680
Right.

1378
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:35,680
In the most part.

1379
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,960
And they dumb them down and make them live action and terrible just so they can extend

1380
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,840
the copyright on their initial property.

1381
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:40,840
Exactly.

1382
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,560
And make some money because everybody's going to go see.

1383
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:43,560
Yeah.

1384
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,560
I legit think that if they made a documentary explaining the context of everything and put

1385
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:48,560
a disclaimer on the movie.

1386
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:49,560
Yeah.

1387
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:50,560
Get some historians, get some.

1388
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:51,560
Right.

1389
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,320
You know, a family of the actors that are still living, perhaps, and say like, this

1390
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,280
is what this movie meant to my dad or.

1391
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,000
The actors themselves do interviews about the film.

1392
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,000
Yeah.

1393
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,120
Defending their roles because it was controversial.

1394
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,880
There were elements of the NAACP and things like that that found the movie controversial

1395
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:07,880
when it was released.

1396
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:08,880
Yeah.

1397
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,600
And there was a lot of the segregation and other factors in their society that were bullshit.

1398
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:14,600
Yeah.

1399
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,640
And I think that the World War Two generation caught onto that pretty quick because of their

1400
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:19,640
efforts in the wars.

1401
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:20,640
Yeah.

1402
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,400
There's background context to this stuff.

1403
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,120
I was expecting it to be bad.

1404
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,120
I know.

1405
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,120
I thought it was.

1406
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,720
I mean, I don't know that I would go so far as to say like it's a good movie.

1407
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:31,720
I mean, it's not a bad movie.

1408
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:32,720
Right.

1409
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:36,000
It's not up there with like, I wouldn't say it's up there with Lion King or.

1410
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,760
It's not as good as Snow White.

1411
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,360
The classics, you know.

1412
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:40,360
Yeah.

1413
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:41,360
The Disney classics.

1414
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,640
But it's a it's a refreshing tale because it's all legit stories from that era.

1415
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:46,640
Right.

1416
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,760
It's as good as the movies that they released in the 80s.

1417
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:49,760
Yeah.

1418
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:50,760
We just watched.

1419
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,320
Oh, no, I can't remember.

1420
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,120
It was a sci fi movie from the 80s.

1421
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:55,120
That was a Disney.

1422
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:56,120
Oh, yeah.

1423
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,120
The Black Cauldron.

1424
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,120
Oh, Black Cauldron.

1425
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,120
That movie stank.

1426
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,120
Yeah.

1427
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,120
That was wretched.

1428
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:02,120
This was better than the Black Cauldron.

1429
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:03,120
You can still see the Black Cauldron.

1430
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:04,120
It's just garbage.

1431
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,120
Yeah.

1432
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:06,120
Yeah.

1433
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,120
It's not very good.

1434
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,960
It's not like it would ever become kind of like an instant classic.

1435
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:10,960
I mean, it's not.

1436
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:17,320
But now it kind of is because one is hard to find, hard to watch unless you can get

1437
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,720
it from the Internet Archive.

1438
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:22,640
We did the I can't remember the guy's name, but it was the version two restoration.

1439
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:23,640
Yeah.

1440
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:28,200
So if you just Google Song of the South B2 restoration, it'll pop right up.

1441
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,200
You can download it.

1442
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:30,960
You can watch it right in your browser.

1443
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,380
It's either in it's either fully in public domain or with a lot of these like fan edits

1444
00:53:34,380 --> 00:53:39,680
and things, you can put them out for people to watch because it's for education purposes.

1445
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,960
And this is like preserving a piece of film history.

1446
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:42,960
So it's kind of like education.

1447
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:43,960
It's Oscar winner.

1448
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:44,960
There's a way.

1449
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:45,960
Yeah.

1450
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:46,960
So I mean, and it's an Oscar winner.

1451
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,480
And yeah, you can go back to like the 40s and stuff.

1452
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,480
And every Oscar winning film is not necessarily a good.

1453
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,920
No, you know, but it was a good film for the time.

1454
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:55,920
Right.

1455
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,560
But there's so much, I think, surrounding this film that it would either become instant

1456
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,560
classic or like a cult classic or it would make a ball of money.

1457
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,560
Have you?

1458
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:09,840
Especially if you release it the right way and said, you know, the first time in 4K,

1459
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:16,680
you know, see the first African-American Oscar winners and finding performance or career

1460
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,600
defining performance or, you know, whatever.

1461
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,760
What have you celebrate the good things about it?

1462
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:21,760
Yeah.

1463
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:22,760
You know.

1464
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:23,760
Yeah, there's ways that they could do it.

1465
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,280
It's just not Disney's so lazy right now.

1466
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:27,680
Maybe they won't be in another 10 years.

1467
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,400
Well, that's the weird thing is that, you know, they want to race swap and gender swap

1468
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,100
a lot of these characters to be more inclusive.

1469
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:39,760
And you've got this whole movie you made that is basically telling stories of people of

1470
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:40,760
color.

1471
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:41,760
Yeah.

1472
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:42,760
Traditional American folklore.

1473
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,800
And it doesn't get more inclusive.

1474
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,920
No, you know.

1475
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,280
And then you've got these other films that are written and directed by, you know, foreign

1476
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,480
people of color, like non-American people of color.

1477
00:54:54,480 --> 00:55:00,880
And they usually reside or resound with the audiences soaringly well because it's not

1478
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,360
the same Marvel template.

1479
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,720
It's not the same Disney remake template.

1480
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:05,720
It's not.

1481
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:10,360
You're not taking a voice that was never in the original film and forcing this voice onto

1482
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,120
a film that people have already come to love.

1483
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,280
Tell new stories with new characters that have new backgrounds.

1484
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,280
Right.

1485
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:19,280
Right.

1486
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:24,920
We don't need a rehash of the Godfather with like mumble rappers or something.

1487
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:25,920
Right.

1488
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,160
Like, we don't need to we don't need to recast that movie.

1489
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,360
We don't need to reshoot that movie.

1490
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,480
We don't need to have another version of the Godfather, you know, like tell something new.

1491
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,680
People don't want the old stuff rehashed.

1492
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,000
That's why that's why like this writer's strike.

1493
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:43,000
They're all out there with signs like, well, AI didn't write the Godfather.

1494
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,880
And so neither did you.

1495
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,960
You're writing the Little Mermaid remake.

1496
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:47,960
Right.

1497
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,600
You're not writing the Godfather yourself.

1498
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,120
You're not writing some of these great films.

1499
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,480
You know, they make a great point, too, because when you're going to rewrite, let's say, Little

1500
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:57,480
Mermaid.

1501
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,480
Yeah.

1502
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:59,480
Easily.

1503
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:00,480
Oh, yeah.

1504
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,480
It's kind of like a pharmacist.

1505
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:03,480
Yeah.

1506
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,000
A computer is better than your pharmacist.

1507
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,000
It's just the way it is.

1508
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,000
Yeah.

1509
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,000
A computer is probably going to be better than your general practitioner doctor at your

1510
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,000
local doctor place.

1511
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,000
Yeah.

1512
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,680
They're going to be better than the typical defense lawyer.

1513
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:17,680
Yeah.

1514
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,880
It's just the way that the modern world is going to be changing radically.

1515
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,880
We're entering into a very interesting time and it's going to be.

1516
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:24,880
Yeah.

1517
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,720
A lot of people are going to lose their jobs.

1518
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:29,520
And hopefully, our society just like we have in the past.

1519
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:30,520
Yeah.

1520
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,240
And we're going to have to make some changes to the way we do things.

1521
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:37,920
Well, you know, all these software programs and things, they're going to need to be updated.

1522
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:38,920
Right.

1523
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:39,920
And updated.

1524
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,800
And so there's still going to be jobs out there.

1525
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:42,800
Yeah.

1526
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:43,800
You're going to be a maintainer.

1527
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,600
And AI is trained off of everything that's already been created.

1528
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,160
So it's not going to come out with a completely new thing, I don't think.

1529
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,160
Like, I don't know that it has imagination.

1530
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,880
I think that R&D is going to be bigger than ever.

1531
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:56,880
Yeah.

1532
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,640
Maybe I'll get the writers to feed it prompts that generate interesting stories.

1533
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:01,640
Right.

1534
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:02,640
Or whatever.

1535
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:09,200
But did you see this thing where the news media is writing articles now trying to convince

1536
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:14,400
people that they need to cancel their streaming services in solidarity with the writer's strike?

1537
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:15,400
No, I haven't seen that.

1538
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:20,800
And the headlines are like, should you cancel your streaming services in solidarity of the

1539
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:21,800
writer's strike?

1540
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,920
And I'd never click on the article because I think it's just a dumb thing to even be

1541
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:25,920
mentioning.

1542
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,480
But if they were turning out good stuff, I'd have no problem supporting the writer's strike.

1543
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:31,480
I don't really care.

1544
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:32,480
Like, now what?

1545
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,920
We get a couple months where we don't have to watch absolute trash being made.

1546
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:36,920
Right.

1547
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,280
Yeah, sign me up for that.

1548
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,120
It's hard for me to want to...

1549
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,160
It's hard for me to have solidarity with the writer's strike.

1550
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,160
It's going to be bad.

1551
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,160
I want to...

1552
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,160
And then people that made Hocus Pocus too.

1553
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,360
And the last three Terminators or whatever it was.

1554
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:50,360
Right?

1555
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:51,360
Yeah, and all of the Star Wars stuff.

1556
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:52,360
Yeah.

1557
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,160
And the Rings of Power, which I haven't watched.

1558
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,160
I haven't watched that either.

1559
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:01,760
But why would I show solidarity with poor writers, poor craftsmanship?

1560
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:02,760
Right.

1561
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:03,760
Exactly.

1562
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,520
Can AI do what you do?

1563
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:06,520
Yes.

1564
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,240
Because you're turning out remakes of remakes of crap.

1565
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,320
The worst version possible of this thing.

1566
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,320
Taking Little Mermaid or Aladdin.

1567
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:14,320
Or Beating the Beast.

1568
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:19,520
We made it like, I don't know, 20, 30 minutes into Aladdin, the live action before we shut

1569
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,280
it off because it was...

1570
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,600
The problem wasn't so much that they were shitting all over Robin Williams.

1571
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,360
Because how can you have anybody compete with Robin Williams?

1572
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:30,800
I mean, he already did it.

1573
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:31,800
He did the role.

1574
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,600
But the filmmaking wasn't even good filmmaking.

1575
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:40,840
When Aladdin was running through the alleyways, the shots and the editing was so bad.

1576
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:45,360
Never knew which way he was actually moving or where he was or what he was doing.

1577
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,120
There was closeups on him.

1578
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,200
And then one time he's going this way, left to right across screen, then he's going right

1579
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:51,200
to left across screen.

1580
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,600
And like any filmmaker knows, that's kind of basic, like orienting your audience in

1581
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,760
your film is that the character's running one way.

1582
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,240
You always keep them running that way so you know he's always running away from something.

1583
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,800
Of course he can take turns through the alleyway, but your camera movement needs to be...

1584
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:05,800
Orient the viewer.

1585
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:06,800
Yeah, orient the viewer.

1586
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:07,800
And this was none of it.

1587
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,600
And it was just like, what, you just ran out one day and had him run around and then you

1588
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,600
just slapped it together and said, hey, that's good enough.

1589
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,800
Have you seen The Witcher, the new season of The Witcher?

1590
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,160
No, I haven't seen any season of The Witcher and now I probably won't because I know the

1591
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:20,960
first couple of seasons were really good.

1592
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:25,920
And then I heard that Henry is not in season three and they recast The Witcher.

1593
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:26,920
Is in season three.

1594
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:27,920
Or season four or whatever.

1595
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,200
Season four he's not going to be in.

1596
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,520
Season three, the first four episodes were horrible.

1597
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,480
Disjointed, no spatial awareness where anybody is.

1598
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,080
They're not supposed to be near each other, but yet they are and they're supposed to be

1599
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:46,520
in different continents and yet they're there and it's very difficult to even follow what

1600
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:47,800
they're trying to do.

1601
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,320
And there's characters that show up that you have no context to who they are or what they're

1602
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:56,400
doing and there's a lot of talk explaining instead of showing.

1603
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,200
And then the last four episodes were back to form, even though I don't know if it was

1604
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:06,040
as good as the first two seasons, but it was at least back to something that was more watchable.

1605
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,840
And that's, again, it was not good, not great, not great.

1606
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:16,160
That's why I usually have my rule where I don't enjoy watching TV shows that are still

1607
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,280
currently in production.

1608
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,040
Because I think the first one that kind of burned me was Lost.

1609
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:26,720
And I never finished watching Lost because they started doing like, they would do like

1610
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,600
flashbacks and then they started doing like flash forwards and then they started doing

1611
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,480
like flash sideways or something.

1612
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,160
And then I was like, I don't know that these people know what they're doing.

1613
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,920
And now there's so many different like flash forwards and backwards and stuff, but I'm

1614
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,320
just confused and I don't know what's going on.

1615
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:45,720
And I mean, maybe if it was streaming days, you could just sit and watch all of them.

1616
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,680
You could binge them and then you would keep everything in your mind.

1617
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:51,040
But it got so complicated with all the different characters on the island.

1618
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,040
And were they on an island?

1619
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:53,040
Were they not on an island?

1620
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,520
And then I heard terrible things about the finale for Lost.

1621
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:56,520
And so I just never watched it.

1622
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:57,520
Sure.

1623
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:58,520
I just didn't care.

1624
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,080
Like, why would I subject myself to that just to watch a bad now?

1625
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,080
And I by and large, like Star Trek Enterprise was OK.

1626
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,000
Like, I know a lot of people don't like it.

1627
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,680
You know, it was frustrating because they didn't have all the technology that they had

1628
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:10,680
even in the original series.

1629
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:11,680
You know, it's like with the Steel Shields.

1630
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:12,680
Oh, we don't.

1631
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:13,680
We have armor plating, hull plating, whatever.

1632
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:18,960
But the season finale of that was terrible because it was an episode of Next Generation.

1633
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,960
Riker was there and they were going through that polity.

1634
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:25,720
And it's like they didn't even give the actors of the show their own finale.

1635
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,720
They made it a Next Generation episode because they thought some reason they thought people

1636
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:31,400
would enjoy seeing Riker again.

1637
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:32,400
Right.

1638
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:33,400
Which, you know, people do.

1639
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,040
But this is their own show and it should kind of stand alone and you should give the actors

1640
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,600
who worked so hard on it.

1641
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,920
Right. Even if you don't like it, but you should give the actors who worked on it their

1642
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:42,920
own finale.

1643
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:43,920
Right.

1644
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,400
Like that's kind of like stealing the, you know, crossing the finish line before them

1645
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:47,400
and taking the trophy.

1646
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,920
They ran the whole race and you just kind of like hopping at the end.

1647
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:50,920
So I don't know.

1648
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:55,240
I don't like things that are actually in development by and large, because all it takes is like

1649
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,240
they change a showrunner, they change a writer.

1650
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,120
They just want to take it in a different direction.

1651
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:03,000
And then you've got like terrible season and like the whole thing's almost ruined for you.

1652
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,760
Or like I can only watch, you know, this many seasons of it.

1653
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:06,760
Right.

1654
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:07,760
It's like Doctor Who.

1655
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,040
Another one is Trailer Park Boys.

1656
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,120
Oh, so they are watching the newer stuff.

1657
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:14,120
So they did.

1658
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:18,320
Well, they have the original run and then they have, I think, one or two seasons that

1659
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,080
was a revival.

1660
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,880
And then I think they still have newer stuff now.

1661
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:22,880
Right.

1662
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:23,880
I think so.

1663
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,800
I think because it was all in the full frame, the four three.

1664
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:27,800
Yeah.

1665
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,700
And then the first season that they went to 16 nine was the new season.

1666
01:02:31,700 --> 01:02:35,680
And so but they wrapped it up the first like four or five seasons, whatever it was of the

1667
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:36,680
original run of the show.

1668
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:37,680
And it was great.

1669
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,400
And then like the next season was fine, but it was so kind of like it was missing something

1670
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,200
because maybe the production quality was too high.

1671
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,040
And they were focused more on that and less on the actual comedy.

1672
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:47,040
Yeah, it's supposed to be gritty.

1673
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,040
Characters and stuff.

1674
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:49,040
Yeah, it's supposed to be Trailer Park Boys.

1675
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,640
And you know, and then like the last season was kind of like they had some weird like

1676
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,680
that it was all the same people doing it, you know, but it's like sometimes an idea

1677
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,160
only lasts for so long.

1678
01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:59,160
Right.

1679
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:00,640
And then it's like maybe try something new.

1680
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,360
Yeah, they threw money at something that needed not have money.

1681
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:04,360
Yeah.

1682
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:05,360
Potentially.

1683
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:06,360
I haven't seen it.

1684
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:07,360
Yeah.

1685
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:08,360
I've seen it, but otherwise I think all of them.

1686
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,720
I tried to get Sarah into it and she didn't like it.

1687
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,560
So I don't get a lot of alone TV time.

1688
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:14,560
Yeah.

1689
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,000
So if it's something that I want to watch that Sarah does and it's like, well, that'll

1690
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,000
happen ever.

1691
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,000
Yeah.

1692
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:20,000
And that's fine.

1693
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,000
I'm busy with life.

1694
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,000
So yeah, yeah.

1695
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,240
But yeah, I you know, I try not to do the act stuff.

1696
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:28,920
The things that kind of made combinations for would be Mandalorian.

1697
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:29,920
Right.

1698
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:34,780
You know, I'll do the same for I think Ahsoka is only getting is only a limited run.

1699
01:03:34,780 --> 01:03:37,720
I think it's only going to be like eight or ten episodes.

1700
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,040
Unfortunately, it's not going to be that.

1701
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:45,080
But I think she's going to be in Bologna's Star Wars movie that's still greenlit.

1702
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:49,880
I think it's going to wrap up like Bad Batch, Clone Wars, Rebels, Ahsoka and Mandalorian.

1703
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:50,880
I haven't finished the last season.

1704
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,400
I don't know if it's going to wrap it up, wrap up every storyline, but it's going to

1705
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,640
tie them all together in a nice neat package.

1706
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,800
I mean, we you and I already know how some of these things are intertwined.

1707
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:01,800
Yes.

1708
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:02,800
Right.

1709
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,880
Mandalorian and going and seeing characters from Rebels.

1710
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:06,880
Yep.

1711
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,040
Just even in the background, you know, he had one line of dialogue at that bar.

1712
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:11,040
Yes.

1713
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:12,040
You know, and it was just in passing.

1714
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,000
But we were both like, hey, it's him from Rebels.

1715
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,360
And you're like, holy cow.

1716
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:21,200
And you know, with the space, the hyperspace whales in the Mandalorian, you saw them, but

1717
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:22,480
they didn't explain what they were.

1718
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:27,400
But the last time we saw those was when Ezra left with them to find his own way to the

1719
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:28,400
force.

1720
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:33,160
So we know that all of these stories are intertwined some way, shape, form.

1721
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:34,160
Right.

1722
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:35,160
Yeah.

1723
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,360
We don't know how it's going to happen, but you know, I think that's all.

1724
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:43,040
That's one of the weaknesses of the new Star Wars stuff is that when Cad Bane made an appearance,

1725
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,120
my Sarah didn't really get that excited about it.

1726
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:47,640
Yeah, but it's still a neat character.

1727
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:48,640
So for sure.

1728
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:49,640
But I mean, that's what I'm saying.

1729
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,360
Like people who have watched or consumed.

1730
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:56,920
Well, especially a lot of the Filoni, Favreau, Star Wars stuff, because they've been operating

1731
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:02,000
in kind of the gray spaces or the empty pages between the trilogy movies, like the original

1732
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,520
trilogy and the prequel trilogy.

1733
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,800
They've been kind of existing in that space where they can take characters and give them

1734
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,080
fully fleshed out backstories and make them way more interesting.

1735
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:14,840
So when you see them in the live action movies and stuff, you're like, oh, you know, it just

1736
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,360
adds like it's an additive.

1737
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:20,640
It's not a subtractive thing where a lot of the remakes, remakes and stuff are subtractive.

1738
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,320
Like they make you gate franchise more.

1739
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,760
Like the way they all the stuff with Han Solo and Luke in the sequel trilogy.

1740
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:27,760
Right.

1741
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,840
Like, I mean, I didn't hate the characters, but I hate what they didn't.

1742
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:35,760
You know, so but by and large, in the last season of Mandalorian, I wasn't super.

1743
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:36,760
It was OK.

1744
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:37,760
It was a little disjointed.

1745
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:41,000
They could have taken half of it and threw it in the garbage can.

1746
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:46,000
I wish they would have done that with the the weird like mind erase doctor guy.

1747
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,440
Like, just put that in the trash bin.

1748
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,520
I don't understand where that was going.

1749
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:50,520
Not that it was bad.

1750
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,640
This cinematography was interesting.

1751
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,120
I just don't like where they did it because they put it right smack dab in the middle

1752
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,040
of like a super exciting dog.

1753
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,040
Yes.

1754
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:02,280
And then they like cut to, I don't know, like a slice of life radio drop or something.

1755
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:03,280
Right.

1756
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:04,800
And it's like we were just doing a dog fight.

1757
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:09,120
Like I want more sweet aerial combat on the planet surface where you can actually see

1758
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,080
the ground and like your firefighters are chasing you and you've got all these like

1759
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:16,360
high speed chases and like you can do all this like crazy stuff now at the CGI.

1760
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:17,920
And then you give us like a melodrama.

1761
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:18,920
Right.

1762
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:19,920
Melodrama.

1763
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,680
And then you get anywhere and then you go back to the dog fight at the end and you're

1764
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,400
like, well, I just wanted the dog.

1765
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,160
If they tie this in next season, I think it's too late.

1766
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:28,160
I think it's too late.

1767
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,760
They needed to have had something more tied in.

1768
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:35,560
And I think they were hoping that the whole cloning thing was going to be the tie in because

1769
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:36,840
that's what that guy did.

1770
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:37,840
Right.

1771
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,160
But they didn't, they needed to put a button on it or something and be like, now that we

1772
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,840
don't have that guy out there, we can do whatever we want with his tech.

1773
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:48,240
And then that would have been enough for me to be like, okay, fine.

1774
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,520
That should have happened in that same episode.

1775
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:51,520
Yes.

1776
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:52,520
Problem.

1777
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:53,520
Or the next episode or somewhere near it.

1778
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,600
They were somewhere very close and now it's too late.

1779
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:56,600
Yeah.

1780
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:57,600
It's timing.

1781
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:58,600
They ruined their opportunity.

1782
01:06:58,600 --> 01:06:59,600
Unless he comes back.

1783
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:00,600
But even then.

1784
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:01,600
Right.

1785
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:02,600
You know, it's almost too long.

1786
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:03,600
He can't come back.

1787
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:04,600
Didn't they kill him off?

1788
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:05,600
They melted his brain.

1789
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:06,600
Right.

1790
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:07,600
But I don't know that they explicitly killed him.

1791
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,200
I think they just made him like that.

1792
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:10,200
Sure.

1793
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,200
Or I don't know if that's offensive to vegans.

1794
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:13,200
I don't know.

1795
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:14,200
Is it veganism?

1796
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,680
They wiped his mind, I guess.

1797
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,920
So he's probably not all there anymore.

1798
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:21,920
Yeah, exactly.

1799
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,880
And they didn't really develop that female character out like I thought they should have.

1800
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:27,160
Yeah, she's just a baddie.

1801
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:28,160
Yeah.

1802
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:29,440
Just for no reason, the sake of being bad, I guess.

1803
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:30,440
Yeah.

1804
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,280
So maybe she's still in contact with Moff Gideon or something.

1805
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,800
Well, I think she was at the last episode.

1806
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,160
But again, it was too many episodes in between.

1807
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:39,160
Right.

1808
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,360
Where it was kind of one of those things where even though I was watching them, like I got

1809
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,680
through the season in like a week watching episode a night or a couple of episodes a

1810
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,800
night, it's still too much time in between because so much other stuff was happening

1811
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,640
and it was so disjointed to begin with.

1812
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,480
So you're already kind of like off balance.

1813
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:58,160
And then, you know, which can work in a film if you really know what you're doing.

1814
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:02,680
Like momentum is a really great example of that because, you know, you're believing the

1815
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:06,680
main character and then you find out, you know, that he's an unreliable narrator.

1816
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:10,760
You know, and that's a common common writing trope, you know, very difficult to do.

1817
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:11,760
Yes.

1818
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:12,760
To do well.

1819
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:13,760
Yes.

1820
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,400
So I am getting towards the end here.

1821
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,120
I have an inch left, I'd say.

1822
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:18,120
Yeah.

1823
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:19,120
And I'm about the same.

1824
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:23,120
I'm not even an inch, but I think we're probably going to save you all from listening to more

1825
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,960
Star Wars stuff or Dune stuff, probably.

1826
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:26,960
I am done.

1827
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:27,960
Some final thoughts.

1828
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,080
And it was very pleasant all the way through until about a year.

1829
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:32,080
It's starting to get tasteless.

1830
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:33,080
Yeah.

1831
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:34,080
Yeah.

1832
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,080
It's just bland.

1833
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:39,240
I'm a little a little bit behind Mike on this, but it's getting to that point where, you

1834
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:43,760
know, you'd probably think about putting this one down and just grabbing a fresh, fresh stick.

1835
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:44,760
Yeah.

1836
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:45,760
You know, that's where I'm at.

1837
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:46,760
Where it's it's not bad.

1838
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,240
It was pretty good smoke all the way through.

1839
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:50,240
Yeah, it was good.

1840
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:51,240
I don't know.

1841
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,640
I don't know that is one I'm going to, you know, rush out and always have in stock.

1842
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,640
No, I mean, no, but it's it's good.

1843
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:58,640
It's good.

1844
01:08:58,640 --> 01:08:59,640
Yeah, it's good.

1845
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,840
So this was the Oldovar Saison 2009.

1846
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:02,840
Yes.

1847
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:04,200
And yeah, it was good.

1848
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:09,920
It was way better than either of the undercrowns.

1849
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:14,360
That is so the first to the first harvest, that must be the first tobacco leaves they

1850
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:15,360
harvest off plant them.

1851
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,360
I don't know what it means.

1852
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:19,360
OK.

1853
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:24,080
Well, that is your homework to listener.

1854
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,200
You can find out what that means.

1855
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:30,440
And I know we've got another another year one, right?

1856
01:09:30,440 --> 01:09:31,440
Yeah, we have at least one.

1857
01:09:31,440 --> 01:09:35,520
But I wonder if we have I wonder if that's a first harvest or if that's maybe like a

1858
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,080
second harvest or last harvest.

1859
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,080
I think we have a first harvest 2011.

1860
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:40,080
And there's another one.

1861
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,840
I would be curious if they did like a last harvest.

1862
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:44,840
Maybe so.

1863
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,120
I mean, that would be neat.

1864
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:47,600
Anyway, thanks for listening.

1865
01:09:47,600 --> 01:10:15,600
Be safe.