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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Nate.

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And I am Mike.

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So as we often do, we do usually record maybe two episodes one night a week.

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And we just came off the underground shade Connecticut, I'll call it an abomination.

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And so before we started this one, I had to hold some drinking new Glarus Moon Man, and

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I just took a big sip and held it in my mouth for as long as I could before swallowing to

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try and get some of that that shade out of my out of my face hole.

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So what are we smoking this episode, Mike?

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We are going to smoke the under crown Maduro.

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And this is a 91 rating, apparently.

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It smells a lot better than it tastes a lot better.

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It smells better.

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It tastes better, but I'm not I'm not I'm not beholden to it yet with the taste of just

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wetting the cap.

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I don't know if that's the the the holdover from the shade or if there is kind of a bit

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of that kind of acidity, accredity, acrid, acrid, accredity, accreditation, one of the

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two, I don't know.

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First light, it's much better.

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It's better.

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It's a 91, but you know, first couple puffs.

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So not not telling yet.

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What are we talking about, Mike?

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Something near and dear to your heart, I hope.

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Yes.

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So we talked about it off air.

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Shocking.

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And I am going to do an episode about shoe care because it's a hot topic on the Internet.

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And it seems like nobody knows how to take care of their leather shoes or their regular

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shoes that aren't leather, whatever you want to say.

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But nobody seems to have any of the answers.

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So I'm going to provide some information and hopefully not be too confusing for everybody.

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How's that sound, Nate?

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That sounds great.

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I should probably look at my shoes again.

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I try not to wear.

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Why wear shoes?

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Because my my feet are fairly sensitive.

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So like if I run out and about without shoes on, I get tickly.

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So not a huge fan of that.

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But in the summer, I'm usually just wearing flip flops or something, you know, like I'm

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not actually like putting on the full blown shoes and I don't go to the office anymore.

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So I'm not really wearing my dress shoes.

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But I do have the shoe shine kit.

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I know how to shine a shoe.

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You know, the it's not really horsehair anymore, but the synthetic equivalent of horsehair

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brush and the polish and the shine rag and all that.

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So I'm very interested to see how badly I have been shining and keeping up with my shoes.

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Sure.

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We can.

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Well, we'll get to that, too, because a lot of people make a simple mistake when you use

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polish on your shoe.

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Are you also using a conditioner of some kind?

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So you know, you put the polish on the outside.

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I'm guessing it's like a kiwi and you dab it on and then you let it dry and then you

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brush it to a polish.

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But are you using any conditioner?

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No.

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Well, you need to start using some conditioner.

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So we'll get to that.

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We'll get to that.

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Tell me why.

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When we get there, when we get there.

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So I have these broken down into classes of products and I can name a few specifics.

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And the product you use.

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Are these all men's shoes or are these genderless, genderless shoes?

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Genderless, genderless and mostly for leather.

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But I also have products for cloth as well.

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How many of these products are sponsors, Mike?

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None.

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None are sponsors.

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All right.

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So then you know they're good.

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Yes.

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Oh, yes.

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So the product you use depends on the type of leather or material that your shoe is made

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out of and also the type of shoe.

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So the generic leather types are smooth, rough out suede, new buck, distressed, patent leather,

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painted leather, and then you have exotic leathers.

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So how do you know?

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Generally.

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I mean, I understand patent leather because it's shiny as fuck, but some other stuff like

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how would I know if it's new buck or something else?

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Suede doesn't have the top grain in it.

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It's that really furry stuff.

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A rough out leather you can tell because on the inside of the boot or shoe, it'll be smooth

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and the outside will be rough.

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You know what I'm saying?

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So like suede is rough on both sides.

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It doesn't have the top grain.

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Rough out has the top grain on the inside.

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New buck has the top grain, but it's sanded down.

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You know what I'm saying?

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So they sand the top of it.

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So it's a little bit rougher.

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Distressed leather is typically even more sanded.

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It's like matte.

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It doesn't necessarily have to be sanded, but it's not smooth.

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It's got some texture or marbling to it.

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And then a patent leather has a layer of plastic over the top of the leather.

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Sometimes it's just a layer of plastic with fiber underneath.

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And then painted leather is like a smooth leather that has a layer of paint over the

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top of it.

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So think Doc Martens.

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That's like painted leather.

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And then of course exotic leathers are snakeskin, lizard, alligator, ostrich.

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Stuff like that.

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Stuff that I'm guessing most people have something that's a little exotic.

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I don't know how much alligator.

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I don't think I have anything exotic for shoes anyway.

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I don't.

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I don't know.

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Underwear, britches, that sort of thing.

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Maybe but not shoes.

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I don't have any exotic shoes, but I have some alligator watch bands and lizard skin

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watch bands and stuff like that.

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But I do have distressed leather stuff.

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And then I take care of Sarah's stuff.

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She's got all the high heels and junk like that.

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So anyway, so for cleaning products, you nailed some of it.

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So you have brushes and there's a variety of brushes.

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You have nylon brushes that are stiff and medium.

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You have hard and stiff or hardened medium and soft horsehair brushes.

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I use a toothbrush.

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You can get a cotton cloth and microfiber cloths.

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There's something called a suede brush, which is like a four way brush.

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It's got like rubber ribbing on one side and like some gearing tooth on the other side.

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It's got like some bristles and a shoe eraser.

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OK.

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And your shoe eraser is super important for suede and tennis shoes and stuff.

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So if you don't have a shoe eraser, you should probably get one.

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OK, I don't have a shoe eraser.

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Yeah, the shoe eraser is a great.

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Do you have like actual products that you want to link?

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Like in the description, do you want to link some of these things for people?

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I suppose I could.

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I mean, I go over some brands for people.

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Oh, OK.

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And typically anything by these brands are going to be reputable.

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They have to determine what their particular shoes are.

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And something like a Birkenstock has multiple leather types, and you're going to need several

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products to actually maintain it correctly.

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Yes.

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And then the cleaners.

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So you have suede and nubuck cleaner, which are sprays typically, and they're formulated

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for suede and nubuck.

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You have to use it because the napping, you know, it's that fuzziness.

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And if you use the wrong cleaner, the fuzz will wipe off.

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And that's what you don't want.

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And if you get them wet, generally, right?

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Like if you wear them in the rain, it's kind of like game over.

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No, you can brush that out.

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If you just get them wet, you can brush suede out with a suede brush.

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You can brush it out.

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The actual suede cleaner has little particulates in it that bond to the oils that get in there

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and it'll pick them up.

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You know, you wipe them clean with a cloth and then you brush them.

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And there's several different brands.

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I use Bicmore products for most of my cleaning.

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I got Obanoff's cleaner too.

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Then there's generic leather sprays.

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That's for smooth leather for the most part and work boots because it's more caustic.

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You know, it actually like eats the leather away.

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They have gel cleaners and that's mostly for tennis shoes.

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I think they're kind of like for white tennis shoes.

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It's kind of like a brightener, if you will.

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A lot of people, especially if you go to like the Walmarts of the world, you get these sponges

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that have like cleaner soaked into the sponge and they're worthless.

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Oh, yeah.

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I've seen those.

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I'd never bought one because I kind of thought it wasn't going to be good.

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They're worthless.

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I've had them over the years and they're garbage.

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And then there's saddle soap.

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First of all, there's only one brand anybody should buy and that's Fiebing's because they're

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the original saddle soap people.

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And I will end the debate for everybody because if you look up Fiebing's saddle soap, the

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first thing you'll see is, should I get white or yellow saddle soap?

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Have you ever heard of this?

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No, I haven't.

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OK, so saddle soap, you can put water in it and you take a horsehair brush or a soft brush

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and you make a lather and it's like a soap for leather.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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So according to Fiebing's, who's the biggest name in saddle soap back in the olden times

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when saddle soap was sold at tax stores out in the western United States, they had white

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for shoes and yellow for saddles because it was a marketing ploy.

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So people bought more fucking saddle soap.

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Perfect.

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So there is no difference.

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Whatever you get, just get the cheapest one, whichever it doesn't make a difference.

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Yellow saddle soap will not stain your shoes and white will not bleach your saddle.

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That is correct.

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And you use that on smooth leather.

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New Buck, you want to use products for suede and new book because of the nap.

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You know what I mean?

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You don't want to ruin that fuzziness on it.

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And then there's cleaning creams.

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I've never used a cleaning cream, but they have creams out there.

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So there's a variety of cleaners and they're all specific to whatever type of leather you're

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dealing with or plastic or whatever, or even cloth.

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So I have like a felt hat cleaning kit for wool.

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And I use that on like canvas and shit like that because it's intended to be a cleaner

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for dyed wools and fabrics.

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Yeah.

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So the big brands in the cleaning world or the shoe care world are going to be Safier,

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which is a French company, Bickmore, Fiebing's, Obanoff's.

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And then you get down to more specific stuff.

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Kelly's, Otterwax, Hubbard's, Honey Leather or Leather Honey.

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And then you have your Walmart stuff, which is like Kiwi.

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And Kiwi, it's not that it's low quality.

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It depends on what the product is, but it's not going to be as high quality as Safier

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or Bick or something like that.

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Yeah.

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And I have the Kiwi polish and that seems to be fine, but I've never used anything else.

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So I don't know.

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Right.

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Well, we're going to get to that closer to the end because.

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OK.

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Depending on the quality of your shoe.

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That's the last step, right?

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That's the last step.

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That's the last step.

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So you can use a polish.

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I don't typically use polish.

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I use a dyed cream and then I just brush over the top of the cream and it's not as shiny

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as polish, but it conditions the leather.

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See what I'm saying?

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Got it.

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So as far as conditioner goes, there are oil, cream and then waxes and paste.

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Outside of that, there's mink oil, which is both waxes and paste.

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Depends.

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Mink oil is kind of like everybody knows what mink oil is, but nobody knows what mink oil

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is at the same time because you see it on the shelf, but nobody knows what's in it.

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And you use it for like your ballglove, right?

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Yeah.

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Isn't that what you do?

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Like to you put the base, you get a brand new ballglove.

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You rub that thing full of mink oil.

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You put a ball in there, put some rubber bands around it and let it sit overnight or for

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a couple of days.

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And then you come back and it's like broken in.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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It softens.

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I mean, that's what my dad did.

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We're not MLB players or anything.

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So is that how you do it or not?

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I don't know, but that's what we did as kids.

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So well, mink oil, mink oil is supposed to be oil derived from mink pelts because they

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are water resistant.

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So they kill a bunch of mink and then they derive the oil out of their pelts.

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And that's what it is.

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They squeeze them.

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They squeeze them.

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Yes.

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And you can get a paste or a actual oil like liquid at room temperature.

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Depends on how it depends on how hard they squeeze to make it.

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It depends on the formulation.

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Oh, yeah.

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But a big issue with mink oil is a lot of it is actually just beef tallow with a drop

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of oil in it.

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And it's horrible for your leather because beef tallow rots.

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Got it.

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Yeah.

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It's not very good for your boots typically.

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And it darkens the leather really long or really dark and it stretches it.

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And I don't use mink oil.

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I used to when I was less informed, but I don't I don't use it.

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We have the oil category.

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Have you ever used an oil?

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I have never used an oil on my boots or shoes.

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And honestly, I don't I've never really done any maintenance on any leather boots I have.

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Mike is going to go on mute while he screams at the gods.

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But I've really only ever kind of like done the the cleaning and the polishing of my work

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shoes.

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But I'm you know, I haven't really done much outside of that because that was kind of all

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that I thought you needed to do.

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So I am running along with other people.

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Today, you're going to get book learned.

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So oils, they darken the leather, all of them.

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There's several kinds and I have them listed off here.

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They all darken the leather.

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They all have some waterproofing.

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If you go to the Red Wing store, they'll have a little bottle oil with a dauber that you

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can put on your Red Wings and it'll condition.

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I used to use oil.

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I no longer use oil.

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It's too easy to overcondition the leather and the leather will stretch out and thin

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out and weaken.

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And I don't like it.

301
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Yeah, that's a personal preference.

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But I just don't care for it.

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So most of the oils don't smell like the Red Wing oil you get.

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Nobody really knows the scent and it's proprietary.

305
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You know, it's magical science.

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But it's probably it's probably erm, ermine oil.

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It could be.

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I'm guessing it's a Neitz foot oil.

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Okay.

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And Neitz foot oil is a natural product.

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They derive it from shin bones and feet of cows.

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It's just a rendered and purified oil from their bones.

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It might just be WD 40.

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While people do that, they put WD 40 and that's not very good.

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You don't want to use any sort of petroleum product on your footwear.

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Yeah.

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Well, anyway, Neitz foot oil, it darkens it pretty bad.

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And it's I don't know, it's just kind of gross that they boiled on bones.

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It's very old school technology.

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It's kind of like mink oil.

321
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I've never used it.

322
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I never want to use it.

323
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There's a product called Leather Honey and it does darken and it does do some water repelling.

324
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It is synthetic and I've never used it, but people swear by it.

325
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Okay.

326
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And then I've also used, crazily enough, I used Ballastol before on my work boots and

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Ballastol.

328
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How is that?

329
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It stinks, but it does work.

330
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You know, you know about all right.

331
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Yeah.

332
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Yeah, it does work.

333
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It works fine.

334
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It's cool for those who don't know Ballastol is like an all purpose gun cleaner made in

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the 1890s for the German army and it works really well.

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I use it on it.

337
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It's good on wood and steel and leather.

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So it never dries.

339
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So it's good as far as I used.

340
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Yeah, it's fine.

341
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I use creams a lot.

342
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So a cream is obviously a cream, right?

343
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It's synthetic.

344
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It's not typically a natural product.

345
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There's three main kinds that I would say, you know, in my little brain, there's pigmented

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creams that are kind of paste like and you would use that in place of a polish.

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And then there's a non darkening cream that is only a conditioner with no waterproofing.

348
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And then there's creams that are formulated for exotic leathers.

349
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So they're formulated to go on like snake scales and ostrich and shit like that.

350
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OK.

351
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Yeah.

352
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So there's several brands.

353
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I use Kelly's pigmented creams.

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People swear by Safir, which is a French product.

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And the reason why I like both of those is that there's like 100 different colors with

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pigment in them.

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So you can match the exact color of whatever your dress shoe or boot or whatever is.

358
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They have that.

359
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I'm almost scared.

360
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Is that the is that the Kelly's?

361
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Yeah, Kelly's.

362
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Yeah.

363
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OK.

364
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Safier is to Safier is good.

365
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I don't use it, but it is good.

366
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People swear by it.

367
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So if you get like some color of shoe that's a little off, it's not just generic black.

368
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They will have a color of cream that is that exact color undoubtedly.

369
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And you'll be able to find it and use it.

370
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And OK.

371
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Yeah.

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So you can polish it and it'll condition it and it's kind of an all in one.

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It's really nice.

374
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Am I losing Ginnate?

375
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Nope.

376
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I'm here with you.

377
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I'm I'm not talking a whole lot because I feel like for the last four or five episodes,

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I've been kind of talking a lot.

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So and I don't know much about shoes and shoe polishing other than, you know, my first couple

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pairs of dress shoes I just had and nobody really told me what to do with them.

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So I didn't do anything with them.

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And, you know, and then they wear out and then suddenly people are like, well, you know,

383
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like if you take care of like the leather, you can have them resold and you can do all

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this other stuff and they last longer and they are less stiff and they, you know.

385
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So I know that there's all these things that you can do or one can do with shoes and boots

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to not only upkeep them, but to make them more comfortable and, you know, more likely

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to be worn by you.

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So I'm just paying attention and and stuff.

389
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So interesting stuff so far with the creams and the oils and

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oils, see, I'm going through the oils real fast because I don't use oil, but I do use

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cream.

392
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We're going to talk about a particular product that I endorse here shortly.

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So with the oils making them darker.

394
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Yes.

395
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And with the Red Wing boots giving you oil with your purchase, is that because the boot

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on the shelf is not as dark as it should be?

397
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Or are people wanting darker boots and shoes?

398
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Or is that just they think the oil is better so they're willing to accept their shoe or

399
00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,480
boot getting gradually darker?

400
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,360
There's two main reasons.

401
00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:12,420
The first reason is that you're using on a work boot, so you don't care if it gets darker

402
00:19:12,420 --> 00:19:13,420
or not.

403
00:19:13,420 --> 00:19:15,920
All you care is that it's condition so it doesn't break down.

404
00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,080
Yeah, right.

405
00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:22,480
And a Red Wing work boot typically is Gore-Tex lined, so you don't care if it's waterproofed

406
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or not.

407
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:24,520
It doesn't matter, right?

408
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There's a liner in it.

409
00:19:26,420 --> 00:19:31,360
And the second reason is that because it comes in a bottle with a dauber, anybody can put

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it on their boot.

411
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It takes no effort, very low effort.

412
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It's not a great product as far as longevity or waterproofing.

413
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,360
But it's probably better than nothing, right?

414
00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:44,200
It's better than nothing, right?

415
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Exactly.

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It's the bare minimum you can do for your $400 work boot that you can get resold for

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years.

418
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You know, if you actually took care of them, you could have the same work boot theoretically

419
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definitely.

420
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:57,680
Okay.

421
00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:58,680
Yeah.

422
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,640
And work boots are expensive if you get good quality work boots.

423
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How much does it cost to resold one?

424
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Last time I got my Danner's resold, it was like 50 bucks, something like that.

425
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:11,040
10 bucks?

426
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,040
It's real cheap.

427
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,040
Huh?

428
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,040
$10?

429
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50.

430
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,040
Oh, 50.

431
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,040
Okay.

432
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,040
Yeah.

433
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,040
It's like $10.

434
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,040
It's like, no, no, it's not.

435
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,040
I'm gonna go get everything resold right now.

436
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,040
Yeah, no, no.

437
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,400
So like getting a Birkenstock resold is like 40 bucks.

438
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,400
Okay.

439
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,680
And then getting a boot because the sole is a little bit more expensive.

440
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,480
You know, most of the soles, they're just glued onto the midsole.

441
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So they just rip them off and glue a new one on and then they shape it up and it's a pretty

442
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,080
quick process.

443
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,080
Oh, okay.

444
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

445
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,720
So as long as you take care of the boot and you're not damaging the leather through work

446
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,480
or getting cuts on them, they'll last a long time.

447
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:49,480
Yeah, yeah.

448
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,200
So it makes sense to take good care of them.

449
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,200
Yes.

450
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:59,560
Really good sense, depending on your environment.

451
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So when I was working oil field, we worked on scoria rock and a lot of steel grating

452
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,960
and your boots just melt off your feet because you get them cut constantly.

453
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,280
I'd go through two to three pairs of boots a year and I was also oiling them and maintaining

454
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them.

455
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,840
It's just such a horrendous environment.

456
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,160
But if you're working in buildings, God, it's real easy to make a pair of boots last several

457
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,080
resoles, so there's not a lot of reason not to take care of them.

458
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:34,560
Yeah, well, it's $400 versus $50 plus whatever the cost of the creams or oils or products,

459
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,760
conditioners, things, but it's still less than buying a brand new pair of boots.

460
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:39,920
Oh, yeah.

461
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,280
And later we're going to talk about waxes, which is what I have gravitated towards for

462
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,280
my work boots.

463
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,640
You only need to do it twice a year.

464
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,560
It's more labor intensive, but you only have to do it twice a year.

465
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,440
Whereas like the oil, you need to put that on every month.

466
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,720
Oh, yeah, it's more often.

467
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,880
So you do not save money by using the oil.

468
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:01,880
It's just easier.

469
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:02,880
Yeah.

470
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,520
Anyway, this is something that I would suggest for you is a cream.

471
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:11,400
So I'm going to talk about two unpigmented creams.

472
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,880
One is Chamberlain's leather milk and I have never used it.

473
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,080
People like it online.

474
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,520
It doesn't darken leather.

475
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,280
I just I've never used it, so I can't talk a whole lot about it.

476
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,320
But there are two creams that I do use and both are made by Bickmore.

477
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And one is Bick 4 and the other is Bick Distressed.

478
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And they're a cream and it's a synthetic product.

479
00:22:33,420 --> 00:22:40,060
It's not made out of like, you know, beeswax or any natural stuff, but it doesn't smell.

480
00:22:40,060 --> 00:22:41,060
It's a cream.

481
00:22:41,060 --> 00:22:42,320
You write it on.

482
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,200
It'll look wet and dark.

483
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:49,000
And then after an hour, it dries up and it looks exactly the same as it did before.

484
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,400
But now it's conditioned.

485
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,400
OK.

486
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:57,440
And the Distressed stuff works really well if you have kind of a drier leather, you know,

487
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:02,520
kind of like a buffalo or something that isn't really a wet leather.

488
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:03,520
Oh, OK.

489
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:04,520
Yep.

490
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:05,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

491
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,960
And then your Bick 4 is for like lighter colored leathers and leathers that you don't want

492
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,840
to darken with a wax.

493
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,120
And especially for leathers that you don't care if it's waterproof or not, or you don't

494
00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:17,800
want them to be waterproof.

495
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:18,800
Yeah.

496
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:19,800
Yeah.

497
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:20,960
Because let's say you use a wax.

498
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,160
If that leather gets wet, it's going to be wet for longer.

499
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,840
So if you use something like a Bick product, it'll dry faster.

500
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,040
You don't get wet faster, but it'll dry faster.

501
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,040
Right.

502
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,780
And it's almost impossible to over oil them.

503
00:23:34,780 --> 00:23:40,080
So like the leather oil from Red Wing, it's really easy to put too much oil on your boot

504
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,960
and ruin the leather of the boot.

505
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:42,960
Oh, yeah.

506
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:43,960
Yeah.

507
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,720
You can put way too much on because it'll absorb and absorb and absorb until it's like

508
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,040
soaking wet.

509
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,200
And then it's got too much stuff in there.

510
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,240
And your leather is probably going to stretch and be ruined.

511
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:59,860
Whereas like a Bick La Cream, let's say on your dress shoes, are your dress shoes lined

512
00:23:59,860 --> 00:24:05,520
with fabric or is it leather on the inside of the shoe?

513
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:13,040
I don't remember because it's been three years now since I've had to wear a dress shoe from

514
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,040
the pandemic.

515
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,040
So.

516
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,040
Sure.

517
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,040
I don't know.

518
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,120
I feel like I've had both.

519
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:23,120
So let's just say I've had both, maybe.

520
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:27,680
So let's just say that your leather shoe is this leather on the inside and then you polish

521
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,820
the outside.

522
00:24:28,820 --> 00:24:34,120
You can take Bick 4 on your finger and rub it on the leather on the inside of your shoe

523
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:38,800
and you can condition it from the inside out and then you can polish the outside and not

524
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,320
have to worry about conditioning the outside of the leather.

525
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,320
OK.

526
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:48,240
So it's like a big advantage in an unlined boot that you can condition the inside and

527
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,360
the outside with it if you want it to.

528
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:51,360
OK.

529
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:52,360
Yeah, it's great.

530
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:53,360
And it won't darken them.

531
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:58,120
So if you have, let's say, a tan color pair of dress shoes that you want to stay nice

532
00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:01,920
and it's more natural and you're not going to polish them, you can keep them that color

533
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,080
and still condition them and they won't crack and they'll be nice.

534
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,080
OK.

535
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,080
Yeah.

536
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,080
Bick is a great product.

537
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,180
I have also used it on patent leather.

538
00:25:10,180 --> 00:25:12,840
So the patent leather's got a layer of plastic on the outside, right?

539
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,080
That's why it's so shiny.

540
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:19,960
You can rub it on the inside of that and it'll condition the leather on the inside and it'll

541
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,800
go bump because you can't condition patent leather on the outside.

542
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,080
Obviously, it's got plastic.

543
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,080
Well, yeah.

544
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,080
Yeah.

545
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,240
Or painted leather like a pair of Doc Martens.

546
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,920
You can't condition Doc Martens because they're painted.

547
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,480
But you can rub Bick on the inside and condition them from the inside out.

548
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,400
And it dries nice so your socks won't get ruined.

549
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,800
If you put wax on the inside of Doc Martens, your socks are going to get ruined.

550
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,920
But not with Bick, right?

551
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:43,920
Yeah.

552
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,920
So it's a great product.

553
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,760
I highly recommend anybody that has several pairs of leather shoes or if your significant

554
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,800
other has high heels or something that she doesn't wear very often or whatever.

555
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,560
Bick is great for many applications.

556
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,000
So and like I say, people use leather milk.

557
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,400
I've never used it.

558
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,080
Is that similar to the Bick stuff or is it kind of different?

559
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,080
It's very similar.

560
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,080
Different brands.

561
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,080
Different brand.

562
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,080
Yeah.

563
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,440
Bickmore started off like Thebings.

564
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,380
They made tack products.

565
00:26:15,380 --> 00:26:17,400
So stuff for leather saddles and chaps.

566
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:18,400
OK, yeah, yeah.

567
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,400
Yeah.

568
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,520
They're like an old school company.

569
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,360
Very simple packaging, but I like it.

570
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:24,160
Yeah, it's good stuff.

571
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:32,720
So for my work boots, I use waxes and there's several products on the market for waxes.

572
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,280
I use two.

573
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,280
Two of them.

574
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,660
I use two of them.

575
00:26:36,660 --> 00:26:42,160
And basically every wax on the market is a copy of these two products and they cost less,

576
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,480
but you might as well just buy the original as far as I'm concerned.

577
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,480
Yeah.

578
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,840
So for my winter stuff, I use Snow Seal.

579
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,120
Have you heard of Snow Seal?

580
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:52,120
No.

581
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:54,520
Well, they sell Snow Seal everywhere.

582
00:26:54,520 --> 00:27:02,040
It's made by a company called ATSCO and it was made for ski boots in the 1933.

583
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:08,720
And it's beeswax that has an emulsifier blended in and it's in a can that's sealed.

584
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,080
You open the can, you take the beeswax or this product, you spread it on the leather

585
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:19,440
real quick and then you recap it and then you take a heat gun or like a hairdryer, you

586
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,880
melt it in, all the emulsifier goes away and then the beeswax is left.

587
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,320
And then basically you just impregnate the outer layer of the leather with beeswax and

588
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,280
it makes it very, very impervious to water and it stiffens up the leather a little bit.

589
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,280
Oh, okay.

590
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,280
Yeah.

591
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:42,160
So think winter leather boots that you want to make impervious to salt and snow and you

592
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,720
want them a little stiffer because you're going to be walking in like snow shoes or

593
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:46,720
something, you know?

594
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:47,720
Yep.

595
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,920
I'm going to put that on my car.

596
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,600
On your car.

597
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,340
So the snow seal doesn't condition.

598
00:27:57,340 --> 00:28:01,760
So if you mix snow seal on the outside with a little bit of Bic on the inside, you get

599
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,760
your waterproofing and then you get your conditioner both.

600
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:05,760
Okay.

601
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,360
You see how you use these products together and then you get the whole job done.

602
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:11,360
Yep.

603
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:15,160
And for example, like I have winter work boots that are insulated.

604
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,160
Yep.

605
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,880
I only maintain them once a year.

606
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,920
Every spring I'll put Bic on them, let it dry out.

607
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,040
I'll seal them with snow seal and they'll be good for the whole winter.

608
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,040
Okay.

609
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,040
Yeah.

610
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,040
So it's like a once a year thing.

611
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,440
It takes me a couple hours once a year and then they're good for the rest of the, you

612
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,840
know, they'll be good for the whole season in the winter.

613
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,840
Yep.

614
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,680
More or less.

615
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,520
And the company says that snow seal allows the leather to breathe.

616
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,000
I don't know if it's true or not.

617
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,000
Okay.

618
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,680
Did you go down to your boot with an oxygen meter to see if it was breathing just fine

619
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,800
or you did some CPR?

620
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,120
Yeah, no, I didn't.

621
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,080
One thing to note is that it does make the boot look chalky.

622
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,520
I mean, it looks like you have beeswax on the outer edge of your, on the outer layer

623
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,320
of your boot, you know.

624
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,320
Because you do.

625
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,320
Because you do.

626
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:09,700
So it's not something you want to do to like a pair of nice looking boots that you want

627
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:11,600
to go about on the town in.

628
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,520
Yeah, but if you're out in the snow and you want dry feet, it's what you do.

629
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,640
And it doesn't harm the leather, right?

630
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,560
No, if anything, it's good for it.

631
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,440
Yeah, it beeswax doesn't rot.

632
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,480
And as you move it, it will somewhat condition it.

633
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,960
So it's good, you know, it does stiffen it up a little.

634
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,640
So like I put it on my I wear LL Bean boots in the wintertime pretty much every day when

635
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,000
I'm going out and about because I tuck my pants into them, go into the bowling alleys.

636
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,000
Yep.

637
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,400
And I want the leather to be stiffer.

638
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,600
So it holds up, you know, in a cone.

639
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,240
Yes, it works great.

640
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:51,360
I put them on my sorrels and my steel toed winter work boots.

641
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,360
It's really good stuff.

642
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,000
Are they pronounced sorrel or sorrel?

643
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,000
I don't know.

644
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,000
I don't know either.

645
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,260
We've always we always called them sorrel boots growing up.

646
00:30:00,260 --> 00:30:03,440
But I also call them potato ole's too.

647
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,000
So I may be way off base stuff to say.

648
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,720
I mean, I'll be honest with you.

649
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,300
I don't really own a pair of sorrels.

650
00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:11,560
I own like bath and boots.

651
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,960
OK, bath and boots because they're steel toed.

652
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,480
Yeah, yeah.

653
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,120
But they look like all good sorrels.

654
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,160
Everybody knows what I mean when I say a sorrel boot.

655
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,160
Oh, for sure.

656
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,600
Well, everybody, everybody here in the Midwest knows.

657
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,200
I don't know elsewhere, but for sure here.

658
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,200
Right.

659
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,200
Yeah.

660
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,840
And if anybody ever worked construction, they know what a bath and boot is.

661
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,960
I rock the what the hell are they called?

662
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,720
Like Thunder Bay, Canadian made bath and boots.

663
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,720
OK.

664
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:40,720
Yeah.

665
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,040
So how are those?

666
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,880
They look exactly like a sorrel boot and they're just as comfortable.

667
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,040
I guess they're fine.

668
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,480
They're not like super comfortable, but they're warm.

669
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,480
OK.

670
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,480
Yeah.

671
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,480
They sit behind my behind the seat of my van.

672
00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,320
And if I have to walk out in like a big drift of snow, I put them on.

673
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,320
Yeah.

674
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:06,360
I avoid I avoid wearing them if I can, other than snow blowing or something like that.

675
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,120
But yeah, where you need warm feet.

676
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,440
Yeah, exactly.

677
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,400
It's not something that I would willingly wear all the time.

678
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,640
Yes.

679
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,280
They're a very practical boot for specific circumstances.

680
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,480
They're not like, I'm going to wear this boot because it's comfortable.

681
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,520
Yeah, it's stylish.

682
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,520
Even though the ladies have stylish winter boots now.

683
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,520
I see.

684
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,520
Oh, yeah.

685
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,520
Yeah.

686
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,520
We could, too, if we wanted.

687
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,520
I suppose so.

688
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:41,120
I guess for those guys who have significant others who do have stylish ladies winter boots,

689
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:46,360
they should be conditioning those boots, especially if they're a little beans, because you can

690
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,680
resole it as being so another wax.

691
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,040
And this is a big one.

692
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:56,560
And this is what I use on my winter work boots or not my winter work boots, but all my work

693
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,800
boots that are not specifically winter oriented.

694
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,000
Obanoff's heavy duty LP.

695
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,560
Have you ever heard of that?

696
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:05,560
Nope.

697
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,200
Well, you've heard of it now.

698
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,200
Yes.

699
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,440
I feel like this is the the two or three episodes where I was like, Mike, have you ever heard

700
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,640
of this saying or where's this saying from or this idiom or have you ever heard of this

701
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,440
like Mandela affected?

702
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,080
You're like, I've not heard of any of these things.

703
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,840
And you got kind of cranky with me.

704
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:30,000
So I'm just going to go up and say if it's not the kiwi polish in the little can, I haven't

705
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,000
heard of it.

706
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,200
We are coming up to kiwi polish, I promise.

707
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,200
OK.

708
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,200
And we're going over.

709
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,000
I'm trying to explain their uses as we go.

710
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,400
Oh, no, this is super interesting.

711
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,680
But you know, like you asking me, have I heard of it?

712
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,960
I'm just going to give you the blanket like, no, I have not.

713
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:45,960
Sure.

714
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:51,640
So Obanoff's was invented by a guy in Idaho for upland firefighters.

715
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:52,640
OK.

716
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:58,320
Yeah, and I was introduced to this by some Idahoans when I was working out west and I

717
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,320
fell in love with it.

718
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,040
I think it's if I only had one product for my work boots, it would be Obanoff's.

719
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,040
It's great.

720
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,040
OK.

721
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:13,840
It's a it's beeswaxed based, but it has other oils in it and it's got a carrier agent.

722
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:20,920
So you rub it on your boot and then you take a hairdryer and you melt it into the leather.

723
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:27,000
And unlike snow seal, it actually penetrates deeper and softens the leather a little bit

724
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,160
and it makes it easy.

725
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,080
It's kind of like mink oil where you soften your baseball glove.

726
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:36,540
Yeah, this stuff will soften that thick leather and it stays impregnated and the heat from

727
00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:40,080
your leg will cause it to condition the boot.

728
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,080
Oh, OK.

729
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,080
Yes.

730
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,080
And it's heat resistant.

731
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,080
And that's why a firefighter made it is that you can take a blowtorch and put it on your

732
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:52,520
boot and you can see the Obanoff's bubble and protect the leather.

733
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,840
The conditioner itself will will bubble and protect the leather from the fire.

734
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,680
OK, it's super cool and it's waterproofing.

735
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,540
It's kind of a great product all around.

736
00:34:04,540 --> 00:34:08,860
You can have you seen like the greasy leather Doc Martens?

737
00:34:08,860 --> 00:34:09,860
You remember those?

738
00:34:09,860 --> 00:34:10,860
No, no.

739
00:34:10,860 --> 00:34:17,040
OK, so Doc Martens, there's the patent leather or the plastic and then they have the leather

740
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,480
like greasy leather, which is like kind of got like a layer of oil on the outer edge

741
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,480
of it.

742
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:28,240
You can create or maintain that greasy leather look on your docks with Obanoff's and it works

743
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:29,240
great.

744
00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:30,240
Yeah.

745
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:31,240
And it smells like honey.

746
00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:33,080
So it does smell.

747
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,680
You will smell the honey.

748
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,800
OK, then it's really cool.

749
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,960
Big problem is it darkens your leather.

750
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,960
I mean, it will darken it three shades.

751
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,240
It's going to be brown.

752
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:49,240
Yeah, it's it's you're putting wax into the boot like it's going to darken it.

753
00:34:49,240 --> 00:34:52,540
So dark leathers only.

754
00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:53,540
But it works really good.

755
00:34:53,540 --> 00:34:55,080
And then there's a bunch of products.

756
00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:00,560
There's clone products that various companies have made to try to compete with Obanoff's.

757
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,040
And I don't know if they're good or not.

758
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,600
I just always buy Obanoff's.

759
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,840
I don't mess around with that game.

760
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:06,840
Yeah.

761
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,240
So we're going to get into sprays.

762
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:15,100
Those are the polishes or the oils and the creams and the waxes.

763
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:17,840
And that's really for your leather leather sprays.

764
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,260
You can use on new bucks and suede's.

765
00:35:21,260 --> 00:35:25,040
You can also use them on canvas shoes and your tennis shoes and stuff.

766
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,800
OK, so Kiwi makes a shoe spray.

767
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,880
It's only there to act as like a little thin layer to wear when your tennis shoes or whatever

768
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,140
get dirty.

769
00:35:35,140 --> 00:35:38,060
You can scrub them off easy and then respray it.

770
00:35:38,060 --> 00:35:39,800
So it makes it easier to clean them.

771
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,000
OK, so if you get like white tennis shoes, you can go get some Kiwi shoe spray.

772
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,500
It's kind of like a little layer of silicone on top.

773
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:47,500
They get dirty.

774
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:48,500
I'm a take a brush.

775
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:49,500
Yeah.

776
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:53,240
I was going to say I'm a dad, but I'm a dad, but I'm not white tennis shoes, dad level

777
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:54,240
yet.

778
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:59,840
So I don't wear white tennis shoes either with my with the shin, the shin high tube socks.

779
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:00,840
Yeah.

780
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,360
And just running around with my my grilling tongs.

781
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,960
I'm sure that'll be in my future, but it is not yet today.

782
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:08,960
Sure.

783
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,000
So you're not wearing the three stripe white Adidas anymore?

784
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,520
No, ever did.

785
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:14,520
I never did.

786
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:15,520
I never did.

787
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,640
I always grew up wearing like New Balance, but this is back when they were still manufactured

788
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,280
in the USA and then they then they offshore those.

789
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,600
So now I don't really wear tennis shoes.

790
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,600
I wear I've got some spare.

791
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,600
What are they?

792
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,640
Spare like boat shoes that I wear usually.

793
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,640
And then, you know, just my flops in the summer.

794
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,680
And I got a pair of like tennis shoes, but they're just kind of like some kind of generic

795
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,400
thing that I just got because I just wear them if I'm going to do like something kind

796
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,380
of active and I sweat in them and I don't care because it was like a twelve dollar shoe,

797
00:36:48,380 --> 00:36:49,380
you know?

798
00:36:49,380 --> 00:36:50,380
Sure.

799
00:36:50,380 --> 00:36:53,360
So it's not really something I'm going to upkeep, but the spares I would.

800
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,480
But well, you're so you can take this.

801
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,480
Yeah.

802
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,480
Yeah.

803
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,240
So your canvas shoes, if you took the shoe spray and you sprayed it on them when they

804
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,800
were clean, it'd be a lot easier to get them clean again with a brush.

805
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:06,800
Basically.

806
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:07,800
OK.

807
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:08,800
Yeah.

808
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,600
Because it's just it's like a layer of plastic over the top of it.

809
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,160
And you just wipe that dirt off real quick.

810
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,880
It makes them look nice for longer.

811
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:14,880
OK.

812
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:15,880
Mm hmm.

813
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:16,880
And it's a good product.

814
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,320
How far are you in your cigar, by the by?

815
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,200
I'm a little bit less than halfway.

816
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,200
I'm right around the halfway mark.

817
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,200
How about you?

818
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,200
Yeah, I feel I'm about halfway.

819
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,420
Well, what are your thoughts?

820
00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:29,440
It's way better than the last one.

821
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,440
Yeah.

822
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:36,240
I don't know if I'd go so far as to say 91, but I'd say 87 for sure.

823
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:37,240
Yeah.

824
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:44,640
I'd say maybe like 70 ish would be kind of like being nice to it.

825
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,360
But it's not it's not bad.

826
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,400
I mean, like what the high score is 100, right?

827
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,400
Like this.

828
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,400
That's like top level.

829
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,200
So like it's totally not a 91.

830
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,000
Like there's no way there's no there's no chance ever that I see giving this a 91.

831
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:03,440
Let's say that a LaGloria Cubana Series R is a 93.

832
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,320
I would put this at I don't know what it is.

833
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:08,320
Why don't you know what?

834
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,320
I'm going to look.

835
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,880
You like the Series R?

836
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:11,880
Mm hmm.

837
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,480
OK, here we go.

838
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,880
It's a 92 rating.

839
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:21,760
So the Series R is a 92 rating and they're putting this thing and I don't mean thing

840
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,240
like necessarily in a bad way.

841
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,400
They're putting this stick at a 91.

842
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,760
And in my mind, this is this is it's good.

843
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:36,360
It's it's but it's it's got this like and it was fine the first half, but I got about

844
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:43,240
halfway and it kind of got I got like one puff of kind of like sour and you know, and

845
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:46,760
maybe it's just because I've traumatized from the the shade.

846
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:52,440
But it's not this isn't one where I'm like I would smoke this one any time.

847
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,960
This is kind of a one where it's like this is fine.

848
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,240
It's it's doing what it's supposed to do, but there is nothing really appealing about

849
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,200
it to me outside of that.

850
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,200
It doesn't taste bad.

851
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,200
You know what I mean?

852
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,200
Yeah.

853
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,200
You think it's a little bland?

854
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,560
Yeah, it's just it's it's it's there.

855
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,840
It's better than the bin Maduro that we had.

856
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,280
I would say this is better than a Dark Shark.

857
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,280
That's not 91.

858
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,560
I'd almost rather smoke a Dark Shark, to be honest.

859
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:20,560
Really?

860
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,240
You like those dark sharks more than I do, though.

861
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:23,640
The dark sharks are fairly bland.

862
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,960
I'm not going to I'm not going to lie, but they're very consistent and they're never

863
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,440
sour and I'm just I don't know.

864
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:37,120
I've got kind of weird like I don't know if it's a weird aftertaste on this one, but

865
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,920
I mean, you and I both smoked the last one the same amount of time ago.

866
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,600
So if it was any residual holdover in our like mouth taste or mouth feel or whatever

867
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,340
the fuck it's called, it'd be the same for both of us.

868
00:39:48,340 --> 00:39:49,340
But I don't know.

869
00:39:49,340 --> 00:39:50,340
I just tell it though.

870
00:39:50,340 --> 00:39:54,640
The whole time I was I was getting that whiskey on my tongue and letting it sit.

871
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,640
Yeah.

872
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:56,640
Yeah.

873
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,640
I wasn't really drinking the whiskey.

874
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,040
I was like letting it kind of permeate my mouth.

875
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,320
You had the cigar in your mouth, but you didn't inhale.

876
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,480
Mike, is that what you're is that what you're saying?

877
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,480
Something like that.

878
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

879
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,320
I didn't get any fractals.

880
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,760
I mean, yeah, yeah.

881
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,760
You know, I don't know.

882
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,460
I don't want to be too hard on this one because it is apparently like people like it, but

883
00:40:17,460 --> 00:40:20,200
I'm just not I'm not seeing what all the hype is about.

884
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:25,040
There's a bunch of other Maduros we've smoked that are the equal or better than this.

885
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,600
I mean, I would say like an MX two is better.

886
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,440
Yeah, it's it's good for a five dollar cigar so far.

887
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,880
Oh, you know, I'm not I'm not saying it's not good.

888
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,280
I'm just saying it's like a 91.

889
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,280
Right.

890
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,120
You know, and I mean, I don't know how they do the ratings.

891
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,640
Like for me saying it's like a 70, like that's a compliment.

892
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,920
Like that's a stick I would smoke again, you know, where the the shade was probably like

893
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,640
a 12.

894
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:51,640
You know what I mean?

895
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,000
Like I would I would give the shade a 12, maybe a 20 tops.

896
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,280
But you know, like a 70, that's good.

897
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,240
It doesn't have to be like a cigar you like or will smoke doesn't have to be an 80, 90,

898
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:03,240
100.

899
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:04,240
It can be a 70.

900
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:05,600
It can be a 68.

901
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,720
You know, like it's not a big deal.

902
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:11,840
It's just there's other cigars that are Maduros that I'd rather smoke than this one.

903
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,080
But this one's fine.

904
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,040
It's serviceable is kind of what's been going through my head on this one.

905
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,160
Like it hasn't really been stand out to me, but sure.

906
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,800
Given that all the glory Cuban is a 92, I'd give this an 80.

907
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:24,800
I wouldn't give it a 70.

908
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:25,800
I'd give it an 80.

909
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:31,920
You know, I just I guess my 70 might be in retribution for the 91, you know, like is

910
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,680
this law of averages?

911
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,520
So if you get if you get a whole bunch of people rating it 91, I'm going to rate it

912
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,880
like a 65 just to balance it to where it should be, which, you know, could be an 80, you know,

913
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,480
like I'd be OK with an 80.

914
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,480
Right.

915
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,760
Like the Kim Kardashian effect or something.

916
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,400
I don't know what that is.

917
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,280
It doesn't have any Botox.

918
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,280
So right.

919
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:57,720
I I've always found it humorous that people found that Kim Kardashian became a sex symbol.

920
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:01,480
And when I look at her, I just I'm like, she is like a freak show person.

921
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:06,680
What does she really do with that?

922
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,160
I don't want anything to do with any of the Kardashians.

923
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,200
No, it's it's bizarre.

924
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,200
It's bizarre.

925
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,600
But that has nothing to do with the topic of the show or the.

926
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,600
No, no, no.

927
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,120
I just wanted to do a cigar check and I'm smoking it.

928
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,840
I'm like, it's fine.

929
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,440
But it's not bad because like we haven't really talked about it.

930
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,440
Yeah, yeah.

931
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,160
It's you know, like it's not like if it's if it's if it's fine.

932
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,720
And sometimes even if it's like a really good cigar, we don't talk about a whole lot unless

933
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:35,160
it flavor changes, you know, and then we're like, wow, that was like a great cigar.

934
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:40,080
But you know, this one's I'd put it like kind of average, you know, like a little bit better

935
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,480
than average, probably.

936
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,880
But yeah, you know, I'd smoke it again.

937
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,140
So I don't know why you're so against the dark sharks.

938
00:42:47,140 --> 00:42:50,040
They're not phenomenal, but you know, I'm not against the dark sharks.

939
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,620
There's just nothing to write home about.

940
00:42:51,620 --> 00:42:55,000
As far as like a bin cigar to have in the humidor, they're good.

941
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,000
Yeah.

942
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,000
That's typically what I use them for is like, I'm like, I want to go out and grill, but

943
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,800
I don't really want to like have a whole cigar experience.

944
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,960
I'll just grab a dark shark because they're consistent and I know what I'm getting.

945
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:05,960
Right.

946
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,280
They're kind of like I use them as a baseline.

947
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:15,000
So yeah, the dark shark is as unremarkable as a cigar can be and still be good, in my

948
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,000
opinion.

949
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,000
Yeah.

950
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Yeah.

951
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,000
Yeah.

952
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,000
Without being like offensive or like weird tasting or whatever.

953
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,000
Right.

954
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:27,120
Like it's the dark shark is going to be better than I said, the dark shark is better than

955
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,920
the bin Maduro we smoked.

956
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,920
Oh yeah.

957
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,160
Because that was like kind of just puffing air.

958
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,680
Like there's a little taste to that.

959
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,680
But the dark shark, it's not super flavorful, you know, but it's not bad.

960
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,480
It's just, I agree with you.

961
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,400
I'm not going to say, Hey, you should smoke a dark shark instead of a La Gloria Cubano.

962
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,560
Like I'm not, I'm not saying that at all.

963
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:48,560
I'm just saying.

964
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:49,560
Yeah.

965
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:56,400
I think the dark shark is, it's, I was going to make the comparison to a, a shrew because

966
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,960
I'm a shrew guy, but a shrew is not for everybody.

967
00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:59,960
Yeah.

968
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:02,880
You know, that is not everybody's thing.

969
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,240
You either like them or you don't.

970
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:05,880
Very true.

971
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:06,880
Back to shoes.

972
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:12,200
Did you say back, back to shrews or back to shoes?

973
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,800
Back to shoes, back to shoes.

974
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:14,800
Yeah.

975
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:15,800
I'm teasing.

976
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:16,800
I know.

977
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,240
So, uh, yeah, the Kiwi shoe spray, uh, it's good.

978
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:20,240
There's other brands.

979
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:23,240
Uh, Bickmore makes one, Ovenoft makes one.

980
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:27,240
Uh, it's kind of one of those things where if you just go with the big brand, you're

981
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:29,400
not going to be, you're not going to go wrong.

982
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,920
You know, you can get Kiwi shoe spray at Walmart and it works perfectly adequately.

983
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,240
Uh, you can put it on suede shoes.

984
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:39,120
You can put it on a pair of Converse if you want to clean them up, you know, and keep

985
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,120
them looking nice longer.

986
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,120
And it works pretty good.

987
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,000
Can you put it on, can you put them on a blue suede shoes?

988
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,000
Probably, probably.

989
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,000
Okay.

990
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,000
Uh, the next category is actually suede protector because suede shoes of course have special

991
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,560
suede protectors.

992
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,360
Uh, yes.

993
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,440
And uh, some of them made out of silicone.

994
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,200
Some of them are, there's a lot of variety in the suede protection game.

995
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,560
Uh, suede's very easy to get dirty.

996
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,400
Uh, I don't use any protector on my suede shoes.

997
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:13,520
Uh, suede's a lot more, suede is a lot more surface area.

998
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:14,960
It's got a lot more surface area.

999
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,960
It's super easy to get dirty.

1000
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,680
Uh, and it looks terrible when it gets dirty.

1001
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:20,680
Yeah.

1002
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:21,920
Like it's a, it's a double whammy.

1003
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:22,920
Yeah.

1004
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,720
I'm not wearing my suede, my red suede shoes to a beach.

1005
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:29,200
No, absolutely not.

1006
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,200
Yeah.

1007
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,280
I had a pair of red suede and new balance.

1008
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:39,200
Uh, and I, I wore them on a hunting trip and I stepped in a puddle and my shoe was like

1009
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,200
permanently black and I had to throw them away.

1010
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,600
Like just from a puddle.

1011
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,720
Like it's, yeah, they're, I, I don't recommend suede shoes to people.

1012
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:48,720
Nope, nope.

1013
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:49,720
Yeah, yeah.

1014
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:51,520
It's a whole, it's a whole commitment.

1015
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,920
Like if you, if you want to pull off the look, like more power to you, but it's a whole thing.

1016
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:57,920
Like it's a whole thing.

1017
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:58,920
Yeah.

1018
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,720
You have to be very fucking careful.

1019
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:04,200
Uh, if you want to keep them looking nice for a long time, it's kind of like wearing

1020
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,200
white tennis shoes.

1021
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,960
Like they're not going to be white very long.

1022
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:07,960
Yeah.

1023
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,920
First time you walk through some grass.

1024
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,360
So, and there are legitimate suede protectors.

1025
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,840
I don't really know how good they work.

1026
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:15,840
I don't use it.

1027
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,760
Uh, I just think it's pointless.

1028
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,360
You know, I clean it with the suede brush.

1029
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:26,600
I use a sneaker eraser on them and I just brush the dirt out and I try to keep them

1030
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:27,600
clean.

1031
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:28,600
Yep.

1032
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:29,600
And it's a lot easier to maintain.

1033
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,600
So if you want to keep them good looking longer, you know, that's just what you do.

1034
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:34,680
Or you can oil it.

1035
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:40,200
So if you oil suede and new buck, it will create like a napped suede and it, it looks

1036
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,200
okay.

1037
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,720
It's a different look, but it looks okay.

1038
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:43,720
Okay.

1039
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:44,720
Yeah.

1040
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:47,920
So you can put like open offs on suede and it'll make like a nap suede.

1041
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,000
Uh, and it's a lot easier to maintain.

1042
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,000
I'll tell you that.

1043
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,000
Yeah.

1044
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,760
It's kind of like a waxed, uh, canvas, uh, that kind of look.

1045
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:56,760
Okay.

1046
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,760
Yeah.

1047
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,000
Uh, we're, we're talking sprays here.

1048
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,760
So Bic makes an exotic spray, uh, for reptile skins and ostrich.

1049
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:11,880
Uh, and, uh, you basically just spray it on real thick and you let it absorb for a minute

1050
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,440
or two and you'll wipe it off.

1051
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:20,120
And all it's supposed to do is rehydrate the, the surface of the, uh, snake skin or the

1052
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,560
ostrich, uh, without dying it.

1053
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,560
Uh, snake skin is really hard to maintain.

1054
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:30,840
Like it is not a long-term product, you know, I don't know if you've ever seen like old

1055
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,360
snake skin cowboy boots, but they don't look good for 20 years.

1056
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,360
I'll tell you that.

1057
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,360
Yeah.

1058
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,920
I've seen some in like, in like the antique stores and stuff.

1059
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,880
And it's always like, why would somebody buy that crusty ass pair of whatever?

1060
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:50,040
But do they have, and I suppose they probably do like down under, but do they have any like

1061
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,800
emu leather boots or something?

1062
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,760
I've never seen it, but I'm sure they do.

1063
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:55,760
Okay.

1064
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,480
Cause they're, they're kind of like an ostrich almost.

1065
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:58,480
Yeah.

1066
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,480
And ostrich looks cool.

1067
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:00,480
Yeah.

1068
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,480
Yeah.

1069
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:02,480
You can use Bic on ostrich.

1070
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,600
I'm pretty sure I've seen ostrich leather, like wallets and things.

1071
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,600
So that's pretty neat.

1072
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:07,600
Oh, sure.

1073
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,600
I, a lot of ostrich cowboy boots, stuff like that.

1074
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:15,520
Um, which I don't own a pair of cowboy boots, but why not?

1075
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,640
You're far enough south.

1076
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:17,640
I guess so.

1077
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:18,640
Yeah.

1078
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,400
Far enough south of yourself, a Canada, you can wear cowboy boots.

1079
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,400
Yep.

1080
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,400
Oh yeah.

1081
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,680
So, uh, now we're going to get into more specific products.

1082
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,480
I got three big products left.

1083
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,800
Uh, one is called Kelly's cork renew.

1084
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:41,160
And for those listeners, if you have Birkenstocks and you don't have Kelly's cork renew, uh,

1085
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,800
press pause, go on Amazon and put it in your cart.

1086
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,240
Just to be Kelly's cork renew.

1087
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:46,560
It is a must.

1088
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,200
Uh, it will darken the cork a little bit with time.

1089
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,360
That's kind of like a glue and it protects the cork and it makes that cork last forever.

1090
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,840
Uh, a pair of Birkenstocks can last you basically for the rest of your life if you take care

1091
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:03,560
of them because you can resold them for 40 bucks and, uh, there's no reason not to.

1092
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,240
Uh, and, uh, yeah.

1093
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:07,240
How expensive are Birkenstocks?

1094
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:12,560
Depends on the very within, I know it depends on the, the inflation and yeti, all this stuff,

1095
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:18,000
but like on average, like a pair of Arizona's, I think it's 120 bucks for the standard version.

1096
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,720
Um, if you get a more exotic version, so I have a Horween leather Birkenstock and I think

1097
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:27,520
those were 170 originally and they only made them for like three months.

1098
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:28,760
So you can't get them again.

1099
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,760
Oh, okay.

1100
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:30,760
Yeah.

1101
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:31,760
Yeah.

1102
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,240
So like, I don't know if this matters, uh, to anybody, but all of the dress shoes that

1103
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:41,240
I've bought have been like, I don't know, less than $80.

1104
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:47,800
Um, but I usually typically only buy dress shoes from Nordstrom rack, you know, so they're

1105
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,600
kind of already discounted a bit, but I don't know.

1106
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:55,520
Like is it worth it to spend over a hundred dollars in a pair of dress shoes?

1107
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,480
Well, so here's the deal is like, okay, here's the deal.

1108
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:04,200
I have two pairs of dress shoes, one or black and one or brown.

1109
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:09,040
The brown ones are a real leather naked on the inside.

1110
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,720
They are real lasted.

1111
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:16,000
They have a cork bottom, a smooth cork, and they have a leather midsole.

1112
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,080
They're extremely comfortable, broken.

1113
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,840
Uh, they'll last me until I'm dead.

1114
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:21,840
Undoubtedly.

1115
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,280
Even if I wear the bottom off, I'll get a resold.

1116
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:25,640
I can put leather bottoms on them.

1117
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,760
I can put another smooth cork.

1118
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,080
There's a nitrile cork.

1119
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,360
So it's like a compressed cork rubber bottom.

1120
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:33,540
Extremely comfortable.

1121
00:50:33,540 --> 00:50:38,640
The other pair I got, uh, they're like Italian leather, but they have like a plastic layer

1122
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:39,640
on the outside.

1123
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,440
I'm gonna have to get rid of them.

1124
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,560
If I wore them more often, they'd wear out because they have the plastic and that probably

1125
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,920
go get a similar shoe to my brown ones and they're not as comfortable.

1126
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,520
My brown leather, uh, dress shoes.

1127
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,840
I wear those like they're nice enough to where I just wear them with jeans out and above.

1128
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:57,840
Oh yeah.

1129
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:58,840
They're nice.

1130
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:03,280
Like that's interesting because like my brown pair is way more comfortable than my black

1131
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,880
pair, but it's like a real soft, supple leather.

1132
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,520
So um, it's really nice and supple.

1133
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,600
I had to earn the break in dessert, like very high quality.

1134
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,440
Uh, I think they sell for like 350 now, something like that.

1135
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,440
Um, but I've had them for a long time.

1136
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,760
I've had them for over 10 years and they look brand new and they're warrent and they're,

1137
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,480
I wear them like they are comfortable.

1138
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:28,480
And they're not pointy.

1139
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,120
You know, they, they're more versatile in their look.

1140
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,360
You know what I mean?

1141
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:33,360
And they're comfortable.

1142
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:38,120
Cause that's the other thing with like, yeah, with the dress shoes, you know, like if you

1143
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:44,800
get the, um, the wing tips, then they've got like a lot of extra extra tooling and like

1144
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:45,800
designs and stuff.

1145
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,920
And really like the more, I don't want to say like, it's not, it's not really plain,

1146
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:56,120
but like the more unadorned, you know, like the simpler goes with more things so you can

1147
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:01,720
wear them fantasy occasions, semi-formal, like, you know, business casual.

1148
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:06,400
Um, you know, you can wear them anywhere where you're not really supposed to be wearing like

1149
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,280
tennis shoes or sneakers or something.

1150
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,280
Exactly.

1151
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,280
And Brown, you can get away with the more traditional.

1152
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:13,800
You can do all sorts of stuff.

1153
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:14,800
Yeah.

1154
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:15,800
Yeah.

1155
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:22,560
It makes sense to invest in like a Brown boot style, high quality dress, shoe-ish, bootish

1156
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:23,560
thing.

1157
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,920
Cause you can wear those for many occasions.

1158
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:26,920
Yes.

1159
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,040
In my opinion, the black is less.

1160
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,320
So you know, that's more formal.

1161
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:32,320
Yeah.

1162
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:33,320
Yeah.

1163
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,920
I wear a Brown more than black shoes.

1164
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:35,920
So sure.

1165
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:36,920
Yeah.

1166
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:37,920
So do I on purpose too.

1167
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:38,920
Yeah.

1168
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:39,920
Yeah.

1169
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,160
And I like wider shoes and dress shoes tend to be narrow.

1170
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,160
Yup.

1171
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,800
I'm not a big fan.

1172
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:45,800
Yeah.

1173
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:52,280
I've found, um, you know, I've got size 13 feet and so I found, um, a lot of the shoes

1174
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,920
that I like the look of, I like the cut of their jib as it were.

1175
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:01,120
Uh, I can't actually wear because the toe box is so narrow.

1176
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:02,120
Right.

1177
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,120
A lot of that in my feet are, what's that?

1178
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,400
I said a lot of that has to do with the lasting.

1179
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:12,120
Oh, so if you get like an Alden, uh, which is like the Indiana Jones boots and Alden,

1180
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,960
they have like a banana last.

1181
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:18,320
So they're longer, they're longer and they're shaped like a banana, but because they're

1182
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:23,000
so long and they don't look weird, but they're whiter than, so your size 13 gains like two

1183
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,400
inches on the end.

1184
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:25,400
So they look boy.

1185
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:26,400
Oh, got it.

1186
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,400
Yup.

1187
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:28,400
Yeah.

1188
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,400
Yeah.

1189
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,680
But it's all personal preference, obviously.

1190
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:33,680
Oh yeah.

1191
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:34,680
Yeah.

1192
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:39,080
But they don't really teach a whole lot of this stuff for, for men.

1193
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,080
You know what I mean?

1194
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,080
No, it's not.

1195
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,080
It's not.

1196
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:47,480
Unless, unless you're, unless your dad, you know, knows it and like passes it on to you.

1197
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,520
Like they don't really teach a whole lot of like dress shoes stuff or, um, you know, the

1198
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,440
maintenance and upkeep of that stuff anywhere really.

1199
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,800
Like even, um, even with a lot of the weird stuff that I learned in the boy scouts, like

1200
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,880
basket weaving and leather work and stuff like that, but there's not really like a, a dress

1201
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,080
shoe upkeep or you know what I mean?

1202
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,720
Like, it's just not something that's really kind of taught anymore.

1203
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:09,720
I think.

1204
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:10,720
No, not really.

1205
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:13,640
And it should be, I did all the maintenance of my dad's dress shoes.

1206
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,760
Uh, cause my dad didn't want to do it.

1207
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,960
So I had to do it as part of my chores.

1208
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,400
Got it.

1209
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:25,840
My dad had a dress shoes for his job, uh, that had to be spit polished.

1210
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,480
And uh, so I gained an interest in it as a youth.

1211
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:30,480
Yes.

1212
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,800
Back before the internet.

1213
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:34,800
So yeah.

1214
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:35,800
Yeah.

1215
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,480
And I have two, uh, two quick ones.

1216
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:43,240
Uh, once polishes, I have Kiwi on there is everybody can access Kiwi polish.

1217
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:44,240
Generally it's just black and brown.

1218
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:47,240
Uh, I think they have like a champagne too.

1219
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:48,240
Yeah.

1220
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:49,240
Well, they have neutral.

1221
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:50,240
Oh, okay.

1222
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:51,240
Yeah.

1223
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:53,360
And I forgot to mention, uh, back in the creams.

1224
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,320
So I'm going to creams are coming back in the polish section.

1225
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,320
Okay.

1226
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:03,880
So for a brown dress shoe, you should probably not use a polish because a polish does not

1227
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:09,080
condition the leather and a brown dress shoe does not have to be sparkling shiny.

1228
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,080
Right.

1229
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:11,080
It's less important.

1230
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,400
So if you use a kid, a cream, you can actually match the color of the leather.

1231
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,560
You can put the cream on, let it soak in, and then you can take a brush and polish the

1232
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,640
top and it'll have like a mat.

1233
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,680
It'll still polish, but it's more matte colored.

1234
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:25,680
Okay.

1235
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:26,680
Yes.

1236
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,440
And also with the cream to know just like the polishes, they make a neutral colored

1237
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:31,540
cream.

1238
00:55:31,540 --> 00:55:38,200
So if you have like a natural colored dress shoe, so like a very, very light colored shoe,

1239
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,720
you can put neutral on it and you can still polish it and it'll be like natural leather

1240
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:42,720
colored.

1241
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:43,720
Okay.

1242
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:44,720
Yeah.

1243
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:45,720
Yeah.

1244
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:48,840
So polishes, I mean, Polish is really meant for combat boots from 1980.

1245
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:49,840
You know what I mean?

1246
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,800
Like, yeah, it's just not like I want to see my reflection in this boot.

1247
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:54,800
Yeah.

1248
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:55,800
Huh?

1249
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,600
So with the drill Sergeant, I want to see my reflection in this boot soldier.

1250
00:55:58,600 --> 00:55:59,600
Yes.

1251
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:00,600
I polished a lot of those boots.

1252
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:01,600
Let's put it that way.

1253
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:02,600
Yeah.

1254
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:03,600
Yeah.

1255
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:09,240
That's really more like, that's really more like busy work than it is taking care of your

1256
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:11,520
boots or shoe.

1257
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,280
It looks great for like three seconds.

1258
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:15,280
Yeah.

1259
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,560
It looks really good.

1260
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:19,560
It's kind of like patent leather.

1261
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,360
It looks really good until you get a crease in it and it starts to fleck off.

1262
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:24,360
Yep.

1263
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:25,360
Yep.

1264
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:30,040
And then I'm going to talk about one more product because people will buy it and I've

1265
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,160
never used it, but I know people that do.

1266
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:37,980
They make shoe stretch spray for when you get a new shoe and it's too small.

1267
00:56:37,980 --> 00:56:40,240
And for some reason you don't want to get a different shoe.

1268
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:44,160
For some reason, you don't want to go back and get the right fucking size.

1269
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,160
Yeah.

1270
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,160
Yeah.

1271
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,600
So we're going to talk a little bit of shoe break in here.

1272
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,880
So the shoe break in process is important.

1273
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,280
Isn't that, isn't that like a shoe horn?

1274
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,680
You get like the cedar, like the shoe thing.

1275
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:55,680
There's not a shoe horn.

1276
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,520
It's a tree, a shoe tree.

1277
00:56:58,520 --> 00:56:59,520
Oh, yeah.

1278
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:00,520
Okay.

1279
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:01,520
Shoe tree.

1280
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:02,520
Yeah.

1281
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:03,520
Yeah.

1282
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,840
So you can, yeah, you can put a stretcher spray on it and then you can put it, you can

1283
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,720
either put your foot in it with a bigger sock on and stretch it with your foot or you can

1284
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:14,120
put a tree on it and they have like screws and you can stretch them out.

1285
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:19,640
And the individual person that I know who does this is a woman who has a size six and

1286
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:20,720
a half ish foot.

1287
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:21,720
That's wide.

1288
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:22,720
Who wants to wear?

1289
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,040
Who could it be?

1290
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,680
Who wants to wear ridiculous high heels that they only make in B widths, you know, and

1291
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:34,720
she wears like a E with shoe or doubly.

1292
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:39,720
And instead of just buying appropriate footwear, she wants a six inch heel.

1293
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,160
That's a B and then stretch it out.

1294
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:48,840
That doesn't make any sense to me, but nobody can do what everybody wants to do.

1295
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:49,840
Right.

1296
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,400
So for those guys out there who are going to buy a brand new pair of like, let's say

1297
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,880
work boots, bring a sock that you're going to wear with the boot.

1298
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,500
And my suggestion is pick a sock that you're going to wear.

1299
00:58:00,500 --> 00:58:08,960
So if let's say you want to wear, you know, brand X sock, darn tough hikers, mid weight

1300
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,160
hikers, let's say you bring that sock with you, bring it in so that you're going to put

1301
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,800
in it, wear the insole with the sock.

1302
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,280
It should be wide enough to fit your foot and comfortable.

1303
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,120
And then you bring it home, you take open offs.

1304
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:27,420
I would suggest open offs, rub a little bit of open offs into it unless it's already heavily

1305
00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:28,420
oiled.

1306
00:58:28,420 --> 00:58:30,200
You know, you have to look at the leather.

1307
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:34,160
Sometimes the oil, the leather will already be heavily oiled and then you don't need to

1308
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:35,160
do anything.

1309
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,160
If it's a little drier, then you have to put open offs in it.

1310
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,160
Yeah.

1311
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,900
Something like a thorough good boot already oiled and tumbled.

1312
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:43,880
You don't need to oil it.

1313
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:49,720
But something like a logger, like a heavy duty logger, you're going to want to oil it

1314
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:55,000
and then just wear it until it breaks in and it'll bend around your foot.

1315
00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:00,520
But make sure it fits before you leave the store or if you order online, return it.

1316
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,140
Don't stretch the leather.

1317
00:59:03,140 --> 00:59:07,040
That's a terrible idea.

1318
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,440
Nothing but misery right there.

1319
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:09,440
Yeah.

1320
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:10,440
Is that so?

1321
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,680
Is that like buying this the smaller one or whatever?

1322
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,040
Is that kind of like a peer pressure kind of thing?

1323
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:21,360
Like so that somebody could say, well, I wear a size whatever instead of like the actual

1324
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:22,600
size that you wear.

1325
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,040
Like is that even a thing with like the size of the feet?

1326
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:30,560
Like I know with like maybe cup size or waist size, that's a definite thing for men and

1327
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:31,560
women.

1328
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,560
But like, is the shoe size even a thing?

1329
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,520
Like I don't know what the reason is.

1330
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,280
So because I've done research for the topic, right?

1331
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:44,120
Certain kinds of shoes like dress shoes or high heels, they don't make them in super

1332
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:45,120
wide widths.

1333
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,840
They usually are narrower than the human foot is.

1334
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:48,840
Yeah.

1335
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,880
So if you have a B with foot, you're probably fine.

1336
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:56,320
But if you have a double E or a triple E with foot, you're going to have a hard time finding

1337
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:01,120
dress shoes that fit your foot if you want to spend 80 bucks or if you're going to buy

1338
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:05,720
high heels and you don't want to spend $300 on a high heel, you're going to have a problem

1339
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,200
fitting, you know, finding something.

1340
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:08,200
So you stretch them.

1341
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:09,200
Why?

1342
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,400
They just, the industry.

1343
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:12,400
Yeah.

1344
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,720
Like, so like my wife has trouble shoe shopping.

1345
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,920
Like it's her least favorite activity because most of the shoes don't fit her feet and most

1346
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,320
of the shoes that she likes don't come in the right sizes or widths.

1347
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:28,800
And it's, but if, if most of these shoes you're saying are narrower than the average human

1348
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:34,400
foot, like why, why wouldn't you just make them the right width, the right, you know,

1349
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:39,080
like fashion industry, man, like why are dress shoes pointy?

1350
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:40,740
Nobody's foot looks like that.

1351
01:00:40,740 --> 01:00:42,360
There's no reason to have a pointy foot.

1352
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:43,360
No, no.

1353
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,040
That's one of the best things that happened to men's dress shoes with the square toe dress

1354
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,040
shoe.

1355
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,040
Yeah.

1356
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:50,040
Yeah.

1357
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:55,560
I don't, I don't really like this, the square toe, but like the kind of the rounded, you

1358
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,520
know, it's just, it's nice and rounded.

1359
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:02,320
I don't particularly like a square toe, but it definitely fits my wide foot better.

1360
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:03,320
Yes.

1361
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:04,320
True.

1362
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,320
True.

1363
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:06,320
Yeah.

1364
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:07,320
I like more of like a military round toe.

1365
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:08,320
Yeah.

1366
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,680
Also, you can put more, it's more useful.

1367
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,280
You know, you can wear that shoe more often if you will.

1368
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:16,280
Yeah.

1369
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:24,360
Like I say, I have a pair of red wings, boots that I've doubled as my brown dress shoes

1370
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,220
and they are polished, right?

1371
01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:30,760
And they look like dress shoes, but they're just a round boot.

1372
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,020
That's a polished boot.

1373
01:01:32,020 --> 01:01:34,240
Very nice leather, smooth on the bottom.

1374
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:35,580
They don't even make it anymore.

1375
01:01:35,580 --> 01:01:41,240
I cannot buy them right now for whatever reason people weren't buying them, but they're like

1376
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,720
a heritage boot made in Red Wing, Minnesota.

1377
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:48,960
They're very nice, but yeah, also they cost me a lot of money at the time.

1378
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:49,960
Yeah.

1379
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:54,160
For me, it was a lot of money, but it was worth it.

1380
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:55,360
Long-term it was worth it.

1381
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:56,360
Yeah.

1382
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:57,960
I want to get some Chukka boots.

1383
01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:59,960
Yeah, dude.

1384
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:03,480
What are, do you want them to be super comfortable or do you want it to be super durable because

1385
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:04,480
you can't have both?

1386
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:05,760
Then I'd go comfortable.

1387
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:11,000
From what I understand, the Clarks, which are the original Chukka boot are super comfortable.

1388
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,000
Okay.

1389
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,720
I mean, if I take care of them, they're going to be fine, but it's not like I'm going to

1390
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,120
go hiking in them.

1391
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:21,640
You know, it's just like, yeah, they're just casual.

1392
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:27,600
Jim Green makes a really high quality Chukka, but the rubber they use is harder, so they're

1393
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:34,200
longer lasting and they're actually true stitched so you can get them resold.

1394
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:35,200
Oh, got it.

1395
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:36,200
Yeah.

1396
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:37,200
Yeah.

1397
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,640
They're definitely higher quality, but they're going to be more difficult to break in.

1398
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:39,640
Okay.

1399
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:40,640
Yeah.

1400
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,040
Especially if you don't put a custom orthotic or something in them.

1401
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:44,040
Okay.

1402
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,040
I've only ever used like the, whatever the insole is that they come with.

1403
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:49,760
So I don't know.

1404
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,760
Should I be, should I be doing something different with my life?

1405
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,760
If your feet are comfortable, no.

1406
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,440
Oh, okay.

1407
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,840
I generally wear a Birkenstock insole.

1408
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:00,840
Okay.

1409
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,400
I mean, like I feel like they're comfortable, but I know if I tried like a custom insole,

1410
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,920
it probably, I'd probably be like, where has this been my whole life?

1411
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:08,920
You know, I don't know.

1412
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:09,920
Maybe, maybe, I don't know.

1413
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:10,920
Right.

1414
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:15,520
Well, I had real issues with my feet when I was younger because I was working like 12

1415
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,200
hours a day, seven days a week.

1416
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:18,200
Oh yeah.

1417
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:19,200
Yeah.

1418
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:24,280
So I got like super into doing research on shoes and I got hyper specific about what

1419
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:25,960
I wanted.

1420
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:30,880
And that's why I know all this stuff is because it really mattered to me a lot.

1421
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,280
Yep.

1422
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:38,000
And you know, if you're only working an eight hour day and you're not standing on like razor

1423
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:43,120
sharp clay or something like that, it's fine.

1424
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,520
But it all depends on your use.

1425
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:52,880
Scoria Rock is a hardened clay that is like razor blades, like chunks, big chunks though,

1426
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,600
anywhere from the size of a bowling ball down to the size of a lighter.

1427
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:57,600
But they're like razor sharp.

1428
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,720
Oh, I thought you're, I thought you're going to say anywhere from the size of a bowling

1429
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,120
ball down to the size of a bowling pin.

1430
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,120
No, no, no, no.

1431
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:11,040
Scoria Rock is horrible as far as like durability, even your tires on your vehicles.

1432
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:12,560
It would just rip the shit out of them.

1433
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:17,200
I had a pair of, I had a set of Wranglers on my truck and I drove 22,000 miles and I

1434
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,200
popped one.

1435
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:19,200
Okay.

1436
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:24,920
I got a set of Coopers and I got like 17,000 miles off.

1437
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:25,920
Yeah.

1438
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,640
Like it's just rough on everything.

1439
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:29,640
Yeah.

1440
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:35,600
So real quick, and I know you still have some stuff left to talk about.

1441
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:39,680
I got about three inches left on this cigar, but I'm starting to get like some sour stuff

1442
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:40,680
coming through.

1443
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,880
I don't know where you're at or what your taste is.

1444
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,440
I have two and a quarter maybe and it's fine.

1445
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,040
It's not as good as it was the first half.

1446
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:51,040
Yeah.

1447
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:56,280
I kind of got a weird like a taste like at the halfway and then it kind of went back

1448
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:57,840
like it leveled out again.

1449
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:02,520
But I guess I'll let it sit a little bit, but it's just, I haven't really increased

1450
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:06,520
my smoking speed, but maybe I just got to slow it down a little bit.

1451
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:07,520
I don't know.

1452
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:08,520
Yeah.

1453
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:09,520
I don't know.

1454
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,840
I've been trying to keep pretty smooth and you must've taken a big break there because

1455
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,880
I'm, I haven't been puffing away.

1456
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,360
I haven't been talking to, I can't believe I'm ahead of you.

1457
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:17,360
I can believe it.

1458
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:18,360
Yeah.

1459
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:19,360
I can't believe it.

1460
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:20,360
I can.

1461
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:21,360
Why is that?

1462
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:22,360
Well, you're a big puffer dude.

1463
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:23,360
I guess so.

1464
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:24,360
I'm a big puffer.

1465
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,560
You're like, you're like, you're like puff daddy.

1466
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:27,560
Puff daddy.

1467
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:28,560
Puff daddy Supremo.

1468
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:29,560
Oh shit.

1469
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,360
I just saw ice cube live and that was great.

1470
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:32,360
Oh, nice.

1471
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:33,360
Yeah.

1472
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:34,360
Yeah.

1473
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:35,360
It was awesome, dude.

1474
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:39,520
For those who haven't, if you have the opportunity to go see ice cube or one of those old school

1475
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:43,120
rappers live, man, they are great.

1476
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:44,120
It's awesome.

1477
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:49,280
Are you more interested in seeing like the old school or the OG rappers versus any of

1478
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:50,280
the modern ones?

1479
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:51,280
Oh, for sure.

1480
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:56,280
I mean, every one of the songs he sang, I recognized obviously.

1481
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:57,280
Yep.

1482
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:58,280
So it's a, it was great.

1483
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,920
And he did a lot of crowd work, which is always good when you're live, you know?

1484
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:04,720
So it was awesome.

1485
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:06,400
Awesome, possum.

1486
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,480
So I've actually covered all the products for shoe cleaning.

1487
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:16,400
I could go through the steps of cleaning a shoe, which I thought if we had more time

1488
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,720
I could do because that's another thing online that people are confused about the process

1489
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:21,720
of cleaning a shoe.

1490
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:22,720
Yeah.

1491
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:28,880
Why don't you hit us with an overview or, you know, like the steps and then, yeah, yeah.

1492
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,560
So we'll see how in depth we have to go.

1493
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:32,560
Yeah.

1494
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:36,320
So let's say you have a pair of shoes and they're dirty and they're leather.

1495
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:37,320
So the first step.

1496
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:38,320
So dirty.

1497
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:39,320
So dirty.

1498
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,560
So the first step is you got to brush them off.

1499
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:46,560
I have like a vegetable brush, a nylon vegetable brush that I bought for like $3.

1500
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,320
And so a vegetable brush, is it for vegetables?

1501
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:50,480
Is it shaped like a vegetable?

1502
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:51,900
Is it made out of vegetables?

1503
01:06:51,900 --> 01:06:53,160
It is for vegetables.

1504
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,880
It is like, okay, four inches long and three inches wide.

1505
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:01,080
And it's got nylon bristles and a handle and it's got a little tiny brush in the other

1506
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,880
handle and I just brush all the big, heavy dirt off of it.

1507
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:05,880
Right.

1508
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:06,880
Okay.

1509
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,800
So for the shade, I have a horsehair brush and it's real horsehair.

1510
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:11,800
Okay.

1511
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,200
And I brush off the micro stuff with the horsehair brush.

1512
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:15,800
If there's like micro dirt.

1513
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:16,800
Yeah.

1514
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:22,160
If down next step, if it's smooth leather, I always use saddle soap and I clean a section

1515
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:23,920
at a time and you'll lather it up.

1516
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,840
And it's just like a soap, like a bar soap.

1517
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:27,840
You'll add there it up.

1518
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,800
You do a section and you'll wipe it off with a cloth.

1519
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:35,400
I typically use microfibers and I wash them and I reuse them for other things.

1520
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,760
And you can see the dirt just pick up.

1521
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,840
If it's suede, I'm typically done with just brushing them.

1522
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:46,340
I do have suede cleaner, liquid suede cleaner if there's like oil or something and you spray

1523
01:07:46,340 --> 01:07:50,960
the hell out of it and then you re brush and get the nap up and then you can dry it off

1524
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:55,760
with like a microfiber and then you brush it until it starts to get fluffy again.

1525
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:00,840
And like I say, suede is once it gets real dirty, you're kind of fucked.

1526
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,520
There's just not a whole lot you can do other than to brush out the nap.

1527
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,920
It's just too difficult to get stained.

1528
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:09,400
And then you have to let it dry.

1529
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:15,520
I typically let it dry for 24 hours if you're going to use actual saddle soap.

1530
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,400
Just let it 100% dry.

1531
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,520
Then you come in to decide the cleaner you want.

1532
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,800
If it's a work boot, I use wax and you put the wax on.

1533
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:26,200
You melt it in with a hairdryer.

1534
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:27,200
I bought a hairdryer.

1535
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:28,760
I think it's a Conair.

1536
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,600
It folds up and it's got a little retractable thing, a real retractable cord.

1537
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:36,880
I leave it in my shoe kit and the only thing it does is melt wax.

1538
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:37,880
Nice.

1539
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:39,680
And you got to be careful.

1540
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,160
You don't want to get the leather so hot that it starts to burn.

1541
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,920
So you have to be careful about how hot you get the leather.

1542
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,600
It's just like your skin and then you melt it in.

1543
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:53,640
Otherwise I use Bic and you just rub it in and you can see it change colors live.

1544
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:54,880
The Bic will make it wet.

1545
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:59,800
Once it looks all wet, you let it dry and about two hours later it'll be ready to go.

1546
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:04,880
Then with your wax, once it dries and gets back to room temperature, you're done as far

1547
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:06,880
as cleaning.

1548
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:13,380
If you're doing a dress shoe like your dress shoes, you would take your Bic, if you use

1549
01:09:13,380 --> 01:09:14,680
cleaner on it.

1550
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:20,600
So on your dress shoe, if you use saddle soap, you can put Bic or a different cream on the

1551
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:25,360
outside and on the inside and let it sit for a couple of hours and you'll condition it

1552
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,440
and then you can put your polish back on.

1553
01:09:28,440 --> 01:09:33,440
Or you can use your conditioning cream on the outside, let it dry all the way, wipe

1554
01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:35,960
off the excess and then buff it.

1555
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:40,160
And then on the inside you can put like a Bic style cream and you can condition the

1556
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,360
inside of your shoe.

1557
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:43,440
So it's real simple.

1558
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:48,120
I can't believe that there's so much issue on the internet, apparently that people have

1559
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:49,120
with it.

1560
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:54,880
But once you have all the right tools and materials, it just takes time.

1561
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:59,980
Because it does take like, it takes two days because of the drying time to fully clean

1562
01:09:59,980 --> 01:10:01,280
and oil the boot.

1563
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:02,280
Yeah.

1564
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:03,280
And you can't...

1565
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:04,280
It might be...

1566
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:05,280
Go ahead.

1567
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,400
Oh, I was going to say like, and for like a dress shoe that doesn't get as dirty as

1568
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,200
a boot, let's say, it's not really going to take it.

1569
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,600
It's not really necessarily going to take the two days, but it's still going to be a

1570
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,360
time investment to do it the right way.

1571
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:18,360
Which I haven't been doing because...

1572
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:22,800
If your dress shoe doesn't have mud on it, you don't need to use a cleaner.

1573
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,240
You can just brush it off.

1574
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:25,240
Yeah.

1575
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:26,240
Yeah.

1576
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:27,240
You can just brush the dirt off and you're good to go.

1577
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:28,240
Yeah.

1578
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,760
But you still want to condition it throughout the year, right?

1579
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,760
Every time you use conditioner, you have to make sure there's no dirt on it.

1580
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,080
Because if you put a conditioner on top of the dirt, now you're rubbing dirt into the

1581
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:39,080
leather.

1582
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:40,080
Yeah.

1583
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:41,080
And that's what you don't want to do.

1584
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:45,860
So for example, your leather dress shoes, you should condition those probably once a

1585
01:10:45,860 --> 01:10:47,440
year if you're not wearing them.

1586
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:48,440
Okay.

1587
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:49,440
Yeah.

1588
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:50,440
Yeah.

1589
01:10:50,440 --> 01:10:51,440
Just so the leather stays moist.

1590
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:53,600
Look at this lotion on your skin.

1591
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:54,600
Your skin is going to dry out.

1592
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,280
Or it gets the hose again.

1593
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:57,280
Yeah.

1594
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:58,280
Or it gets the hose again.

1595
01:10:58,280 --> 01:10:59,280
Right.

1596
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,800
It's just like skin, except your body's not putting moisture back into it.

1597
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:02,800
Right?

1598
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:03,800
Yeah.

1599
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:08,240
So you have to put moisture back into it so the leather stays pliable so it doesn't crack.

1600
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:09,240
Yep.

1601
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:10,240
Yeah.

1602
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:14,480
And if you have a drier leather, it's even more important to condition it.

1603
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:16,440
Not constantly, but you got to monitor.

1604
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:17,760
Yeah, for sure.

1605
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:23,200
So I have a pair of Cape Buffalo hiking boots.

1606
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:27,240
Very nice, but it's a very dry leather and I want to keep them dry.

1607
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,800
So I have to clean them and condition them often.

1608
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:34,280
More often than I do like an oiled leather Danner or something like that, where I only

1609
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:35,940
really need to do it once a year.

1610
01:11:35,940 --> 01:11:38,200
If I even do it once a year.

1611
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:42,320
If you put a wax into it, as long as the wax is still there, it's still conditioned.

1612
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:43,320
Okay.

1613
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:44,320
Yeah.

1614
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:49,500
So like my work boots, I condition my work boots once a year and I wear them year round

1615
01:11:49,500 --> 01:11:50,500
basically.

1616
01:11:50,500 --> 01:11:54,960
You have to monitor obviously, but I'm not putting heavy wear on my work boots anymore.

1617
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:59,960
So yeah, when I was wearing them 12 hours a day, every day out in scoria dust, I had

1618
01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:04,480
to do it once every month or every three weeks because they would dry out.

1619
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:07,440
So you set to be careful and monitor.

1620
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:08,440
Yeah.

1621
01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:14,360
Well, the more you pay attention to it, I'm sure the easier it is to kind of like quickly

1622
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:15,360
monitor.

1623
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:20,280
And it sounds like Mike has to relight his and I had to relight mine too, just recently.

1624
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:21,280
So I did.

1625
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,440
I got about two inches left and it tastes good.

1626
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:24,440
Yeah.

1627
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:25,440
I mean, it's fine.

1628
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:26,440
Yeah.

1629
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:27,440
I'm not going to put it down.

1630
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:28,440
Okay.

1631
01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:33,400
I'm not, I'm not a fan of this one either.

1632
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:39,960
It's okay, but I'm just, it's, it's, I don't know.

1633
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:44,760
It tastes a little like, it's got a little like sour tinge for me, but I'm, and I'm not

1634
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,200
smoking it very fast, but I don't know.

1635
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,240
It's just, you're like, I'm not going to put it down.

1636
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,520
And I was just thinking like, I would totally like put this thing down right now.

1637
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:53,520
So really,

1638
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:54,520
Oh, we can be done.

1639
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,960
I mean, if one of us is done, we're both done, right?

1640
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:57,960
Ah, yeah, I guess.

1641
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:03,160
Like, you know, what's good for the, the state is good for all of us, right?

1642
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,040
No, I don't know.

1643
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:06,040
I don't know.

1644
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:11,280
It's weird to like, have you like one and for me not to like one.

1645
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,200
I like the last one more than you did too.

1646
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:17,960
I didn't think it was good, but it wasn't after the first half an inch or so.

1647
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,320
I wasn't offended by it.

1648
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,320
Like that first half an inch was rough.

1649
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:27,640
That was, yeah, that was, I mean, the first, the first like, you know, intro, whatever

1650
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:33,880
was totally the worst part of the whole thing, but it didn't get, it didn't really get much

1651
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:34,880
better.

1652
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:39,380
It got only like a small like percentage better.

1653
01:13:39,380 --> 01:13:44,560
And then this one, I just, there's this weird aftertaste and I don't know what it is.

1654
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:50,880
I am not a fan of these undercrowns, but I'm probably more excited than you to try the

1655
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,880
underground shade as a tequila cigar.

1656
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:55,680
So I am not looking forward to that, dude.

1657
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:56,680
I have to be honest.

1658
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:01,920
I, you know what I'm looking forward to it because I want to know how magical tequila

1659
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:02,920
is.

1660
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,900
We have to, we have to find its limit, right?

1661
01:14:06,900 --> 01:14:07,900
That's true.

1662
01:14:07,900 --> 01:14:08,900
Yeah.

1663
01:14:08,900 --> 01:14:13,080
I'm looking, I'm looking at it more as like a scientific like study.

1664
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:20,280
Like can the tequila cigar version of the underground shade make it smokable?

1665
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:21,520
I wonder how you got that.

1666
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,240
I must've given it to you.

1667
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:24,240
Maybe I don't know.

1668
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:25,360
Of course you gave it to me.

1669
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:26,360
It's in my show box.

1670
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:30,680
It is in your show box and I have it at my show box as well.

1671
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:31,680
Yeah.

1672
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:32,680
Yeah.

1673
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:33,680
I have to.

1674
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:38,300
So I just, I don't know what it is with these, but I don't recommend either of the undercrowns

1675
01:14:38,300 --> 01:14:40,120
that we've smoked.

1676
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:45,600
If you're, if you're forced to choose one, I guess choose the Maduro, but I don't know.

1677
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:51,800
I, I'd be hard pressed to like willingly smoke this again, if I'm honest.

1678
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,320
If somebody handed me the Maduro, I would smoke it.

1679
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:55,320
I would not buy it.

1680
01:14:55,320 --> 01:15:02,240
I mean, yeah, I would not buy it, but no rarely do I go to a social occasion where I can smoke

1681
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,880
a cigar or I don't just bring my own anyway.

1682
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,160
Well, yeah.

1683
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:11,720
You know, or if you're at a lounge or something, you know, they have something better than

1684
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:12,920
this for the same price.

1685
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:13,920
They have to.

1686
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:14,920
Yeah.

1687
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:15,920
Yes.

1688
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,360
They have to.

1689
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:22,680
Not every cigar lounge has a shrew, but goddamn a shrew is way better than this.

1690
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,000
Yeah, for sure.

1691
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:31,000
I'm trying to think like, you know, if, if you go and mow your lawn and just roll up

1692
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:36,400
a bunch of like yard clippings and smoke that is probably better than the shade.

1693
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:37,560
Oh my God.

1694
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:41,160
The shade is not as bad as that blood red moon.

1695
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:45,200
Oh no, but it's not too far away from it either.

1696
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:49,880
Sarah and I went to a party, uh, uh, two weeks ago or something like that.

1697
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:51,600
And she grabbed the blood red moon.

1698
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:56,220
Cause I still have a blood red moon in the box in my humidor on the top.

1699
01:15:56,220 --> 01:15:57,840
And she grabbed it and I grabbed it out.

1700
01:15:57,840 --> 01:15:59,960
I'm like, you don't, don't, you don't want that.

1701
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:02,240
And she's like, you don't want no part of this.

1702
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:03,240
Yeah.

1703
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:04,240
I'm like, you don't want that.

1704
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:05,240
And she's like, what do you mean?

1705
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:06,240
And I'm like, oh, it's vile.

1706
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:10,320
And she looked at me like heartbroken because she smoked the pipe tobacco.

1707
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:11,320
Yeah.

1708
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:15,800
I'm like, and the tobacco was great, but this is vile.

1709
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,760
You do not want this.

1710
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:19,800
She looked heartbroken.

1711
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,000
They couldn't believe it.

1712
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:23,000
Yeah.

1713
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:24,000
Yeah.

1714
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,920
It is just rough.

1715
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:27,920
I have it.

1716
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:32,840
I'm going to spring it on somebody I'm sure as a joke, but yeah, awful.

1717
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,900
I don't know if we made it more than a quarter of the way through that cigar.

1718
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:39,840
I don't remember how far we made it, but, uh, I know we were complaining about it the

1719
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:40,840
whole time.

1720
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:41,840
Oh yeah.

1721
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,280
I think that was the episode just about the cigar.

1722
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:45,280
That's bad, bad sign.

1723
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:46,280
Yeah.

1724
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:47,280
It's not, not a good sign.

1725
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:48,280
No.

1726
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,920
Well, do you have anything else to add on the shoes?

1727
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:57,840
Um, before I read myself of the under crowns until we do the tequila shade.

1728
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,520
No, no, I don't think so.

1729
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:05,400
I think I covered everything that, uh, I hope it was informative and not confusing to people.

1730
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:06,880
I wasn't confused at all.

1731
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,560
I mean, there's a lot of products out there, but I feel you did a great job of kind of

1732
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:16,480
walking through when to never use some of them and, uh, you know, why, when to use the

1733
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:19,160
specific ones depending on the shoe and the material.

1734
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:20,160
Yeah.

1735
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:24,520
I was trying to be helpful and explain like the oils really freak people out and they

1736
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:28,080
should cause it's like boiled cow leg.

1737
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,080
Like what?

1738
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:30,080
Yeah.

1739
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:31,080
What kind of old timey weird shit is this?

1740
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:32,080
Like just use beeswax.

1741
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:33,080
Yeah.

1742
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:37,080
Are we making a soup or is it a redoing shoe stuff?

1743
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:38,080
Yeah.

1744
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,200
Mink oil really is boiled minks or whatever.

1745
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,600
Like, yeah, like just use beeswax dude.

1746
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,320
I don't know.

1747
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:47,320
It's fine.

1748
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:48,920
The beeswax is better anyway.

1749
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,240
Smells nice.

1750
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:57,720
So I've never used beeswax directly onto a boot, but I bet it would work.

1751
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:58,720
Okay.

1752
01:17:58,720 --> 01:17:59,720
Probably.

1753
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:00,720
Probably.

1754
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:01,720
I've used beeswax on canvas.

1755
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:02,720
Okay.

1756
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,840
I've used beeswax on pipes too, but I feel like bees.

1757
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:07,840
Go ahead.

1758
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:12,760
Oh, I was going to say, I feel like beeswax and vinegar are probably like two of the super

1759
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:13,760
substances.

1760
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,360
Probably not, not necessarily all for shoes.

1761
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:21,320
Like I don't know if you'd ever put vinegar on a shoe, but like, yeah, cleaning power

1762
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:25,600
of vinegar and stuff, you know, and then like beeswax, like the versatility of both of those

1763
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,520
things are pretty amazing.

1764
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:28,520
Yeah.

1765
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:34,040
I covered a salt stain remover and I didn't talk a lot about it, but it's basically a

1766
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:40,520
vinegar based product that has additional chemicals in it to help lift the salt out

1767
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,680
of your leather so you can wipe it off.

1768
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:47,440
Like you put it on and it kind of raises the salt and you take a cloth and you, you wipe

1769
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:51,120
the salt off of your shoe and it's mostly vinegar.

1770
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:52,880
It smells like vinegar for sure.

1771
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:53,880
Okay.

1772
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:54,880
Yeah.

1773
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:59,080
It just has additional properties in it, I think, to make it not damage your shoe as

1774
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:03,760
much and possibly attracts the oil more, but it's vinegar smelling.

1775
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:04,760
So yeah.

1776
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:05,760
Yeah.

1777
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:09,160
And for people who live in Minnesota, that Feebing salt stain remover is awesome.

1778
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:10,160
Okay.

1779
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:11,160
Great.

1780
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:12,520
You can use in your car too.

1781
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,200
Oh, good to know.

1782
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:15,200
Yeah.

1783
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:16,200
Yeah.

1784
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:20,960
So you can get a reputable, a reputable boot seller that has products and they will have

1785
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:25,560
a Feebing salt stain remover and you can use it on, like your car when you detail it or

1786
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:26,560
something.

1787
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:27,560
Yeah.

1788
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:28,560
Or online, I'm sure too.

1789
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:29,560
Oh yeah.

1790
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:30,560
Yeah.

1791
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:31,560
Yeah.

1792
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:32,560
Of course.

1793
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:33,560
Of course.

1794
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:34,560
Go to, go to the internet closest to you and buy some.

1795
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,960
So I guess that's all for us.

1796
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:38,960
Yeah.

1797
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:39,960
That's gotta be it.

1798
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:44,720
I don't recommend either under crown, but if you had to choose one, I guess go for the

1799
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:46,200
Duro.

1800
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,120
I will not be buying them again.

1801
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,800
Mike likes them a little bit more than I do.

1802
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:56,720
But I will say, I don't know why you would do this to yourself, but yeah.

1803
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:57,720
Yeah.

1804
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:59,720
Get a Rocky Patel Fuma or something.

1805
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:00,720
Yeah.

1806
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:05,680
Literally anything else except the blood red moon and you'll be fine.

1807
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:06,680
Yup.

1808
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,040
So anyway, everybody have a good day.

1809
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:15,080
Thanks for listening.