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Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Mike.

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And I'm Nate.

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What are we smoking today, Nate?

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Well, I was trying to look at that and it's all backwards.

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It's mirror image.

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I'm just kidding.

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On the other side of it, it is under crown shade, I guess.

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And it looks to be a Connecticut wrapper.

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I'll tell you what.

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I put it in my mouth to wet the end and it was not a pleasant taste.

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You know, I was going to say the same thing.

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It is not.

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Oh no.

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I was going to say the same thing.

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Well, you know what?

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We're going to do it for you, the listener, anyway.

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And we will see.

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We're both in our own home studios again, which is nice because I don't have to wear

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pants.

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Hell yeah.

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Not that Mike doesn't let me go pantless.

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It's just he can't keep his hands to himself if I do.

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Exactly.

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I am not rocking a proper shirt right now, just for all our listeners to know.

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That's the director's cut of the episode.

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You get to see Mike shirtless.

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Yeah.

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Sarah was making fun of me earlier today.

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Okay.

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How about we light this thing up and we'll just kind of see where it goes.

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Absolutely.

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It doesn't smell very good either, dear listener.

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Oh God.

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I mean, great.

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I like this.

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It has a very strong flavor.

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It has something.

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Yes.

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In other news, I'm pairing this with a black Russian.

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Oh, hey.

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I figured I'd take the role of Mike in this one and come in hot with a cocktail.

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I am pairing it up with a big wave that I took from Rockfest because we got evacuated

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and a glass of Johnnie Walker black.

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Nice.

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I was gifted a bottle of Kahlua or a mostly full bottle of Kahlua.

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I was like, what can I make?

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So I was looking up all these different recipes and it was of course mudslide and all this

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other stuff.

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Then it was black Russian.

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I had had white Russians before, but I've never had a black Russian before and they're

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quite nice.

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They are.

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Former guest Al has pretty much only drank black Russians for, oh, I don't know how many

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years, 15 years.

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Okay.

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I don't think I've ever seen him drink anything else in 15 years.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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He's got it down, man.

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He like tries different vodkas and Kahluas.

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Oh, okay.

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Nice.

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He like explores all the avenues of the black Russian.

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Well, before we get into our topic, I wanted to, and I put this in the notes of last episode,

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but I wanted to clarify something here from last episode with the Mandela effect, right?

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We were talking about Queens, we are the champions.

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Well, it turns out that the greatest hits recording of the song does include of the

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world, but not the original vinyl pressing, not the original recording.

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So that was something that was added for like the greatest hits.

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So I just wanted to clarify, you may not be crazy on that one.

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We might've been gaslighting you.

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We were definitely gaslighting.

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And I did rewatch the end of Mighty Ducks and they use the greatest hits version.

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So of course, and there it is of the world.

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And you know what?

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The Mighty Ducks might've come out when the greatest hits came out of Queens.

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So they probably use the newer version.

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So all of us younger generation are probably more used to of the world because that was

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what was popular at the time.

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And anyone older than us thinks that that's blasphemous.

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Oh, sure.

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That makes sense.

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Speaking of blasphemous, outside of this cigar here, I watched something else blasphemous.

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You already know what it is because we talked about it.

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We do plan every once in a while, but I watched the 1984 version of Sting, I'm sorry, of Dune.

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And that was a little joke, right?

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Sting was huge in the eighties, I guess, but Patrick Stewart was also in it.

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And so I don't know why it's not called Patrick Stewart's Dune, except he was in like two

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scenes and spoke half a sentence.

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But I watched the whole thing all the way through.

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So that's what we're going to kind of work our way through this episode, right?

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Mike is the 1984 Dune.

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Yes.

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So we do occasionally communicate and I rewatched it today before the show.

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While I was doing my notes for my version of the show, I was watching Dune 1984.

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Again, I've seen it now twice.

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So yeah.

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So let's just to clarify, like Mike's seen it fully twice.

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I've seen it fully once.

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I've tried to watch it three or four other times, but I've had to shut it off because

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it's just, it's not, it's not good.

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I, you know, I watched the whole thing.

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There are things that I certainly enjoy and we'll kind of go through some of this stuff.

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There are a lot of things that I don't enjoy.

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I don't, do you want me to tell you my biggest problem with the whole thing just right up

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Or do you want to kind of go through it first or how do you want to dissect this film?

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You know what?

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Why don't we, you can tell me the worst thing about Dune in your opinion and then we can

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go through it, of course, because my notes are in order.

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But my biggest issue came almost immediately.

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So of course, like I, there's, there's very, there's a lot of artistic, I don't know if

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it's artistic is the right word, but there's a lot of liberties taken with the Dune storyline

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and who is and isn't kind of like a villain or a knowing person versus an unknown person.

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My biggest complaint against the whole film outside of all of the freaking narration and

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inner monologue stuff that happens.

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And I know why they did it.

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So, you know, like we, we don't have to quick defend it from Nate, but I know why they did

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it is just, I didn't like that.

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But my biggest, biggest, biggest thing that I didn't like, and I kind of realized maybe

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halfway through was there aren't any establishing shots of anything.

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So you're watching and there's some people in a room and they're talking and then you're

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at another scene and there's some more people in a room with the room looks kind of different,

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but you're not really sure if you're on Caladan or Arrakis or Jetty Prime or, you know, so

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there's not really much in the way of establishing shots to help the viewer get a feeling for

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where we are, who we're talking with, you know, and that's despite all the narration

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and kind of set up work at the beginning.

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And so it really helps.

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Like I wouldn't show this movie.

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I wouldn't show this movie to somebody who's casually interested in Dune.

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I would say, look, if you want to watch the 1984 version of Dune, like read the book so

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you know what's going on.

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And then you can watch the movie to see some like 80s hokeyness.

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Well, you hit one of my complaints, I guess.

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I have moans and niggles and I, as the movie went through, I kind of just wrote things

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that I liked and things that I didn't like.

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Let's, let's talk about some of the things or what's your biggest thing.

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You do your biggest thing you dislike.

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And then let's talk about some of the stuff that we do like.

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And then we can kind of talk about what, what differs from the, the Canon or the actual

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storyline.

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I didn't, I agree with you.

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The level of narration is absurd and there is a very good reason why they have to have

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so much narration.

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I mean, they're basically cutting, cutting down a full book to a brisk two hours and

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maybe three minutes, you know, and that's less than part one was, you know, if Denis

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and whose part one was almost three hours long, right?

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Yeah, it's right.

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I mean, the new version is going to be twice as long easily for the same story.

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So they just didn't have time.

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You know, they tried to cover too much material, so they had to talk through it, which kind

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of sucks, but as petty as it is, my biggest issue was the shields, the body shields, dude,

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those are square body shields.

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I couldn't even for 1984, man, it was wretched.

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They could have done something better than that.

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I mean, they could have had them wear mosquito netting or something easily.

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There could have been something.

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It was very, very bad for as good as the guild navigators were.

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They could have done some, yeah, the guild navigators were money.

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I really liked their portrayal of the navigators for sure.

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Yeah, they were good.

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The worms were good.

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The worms are in a 1980s kind of way.

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Well, it's very 1980s.

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Like, yeah, what Sarah and I watched it for the first time, she mentioned like, holy shit,

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this is like totally 80s tastic, like UPN 9 1994 at night TV type stuff.

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You know what I mean?

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Like this comes right on before purple rain.

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Yeah, for sure.

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So, yeah, and I, you know, like I really enjoy 80s movies in general.

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I thought the score by Toto at the end there, I mean, because I don't really feel I didn't

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feel they use any Toto tracks until the very end.

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But, you know, kind of the instrumental like 80s power rock stuff was really nice.

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I thought like, I wasn't really sure what to expect because a lot of times when you're

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like an 80s movie and score by Toto, you're like, okay, are they like going to be singing

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a song called Paul, the Trades of Dune, you know, and like some hokey lyrics put in or

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that, you know, what, how are they going to do this?

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But it was all instrumental.

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And so I thought it was well done.

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I think my favorite thing from Dune, the movie in 1984 was probably the map paintings.

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The background map paintings were just gorgeous.

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They were nice.

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I liked the Emperor's Castle or his like, oh, yeah, all the weird gold and like the

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detailed like three dimensional backgrounds that they built.

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Yeah, that was very over the top, which is supposed to be.

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But I want to talk real quick about casting.

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I really, I really liked the actor.

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They got to play Duncan Idaho in this one.

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It felt to me like the Duncan felt to me in the books.

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You know, where, where Jason Momoa is a little more quirky, right.

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In the new one, I really felt that, that this Duncan just kind of was what I expected the

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character to be.

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If I, if I could clear my brain out of everything.

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I was not really a fan of the actor that played Paul.

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I know he did some stuff in the eighties and that's fine.

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And I really was not a fan of who they cast as the Emperor.

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The Emperor seemed kind of like meek and mildish compared to how he was in the book.

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He was a little too competent really, when you think about it.

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I mean, you know what I mean?

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Like, yeah, I'm supposed to kind of be a nitwit a little bit.

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He didn't really give like nitwit vibes because he was almost playing it too nice.

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Like, like a, like a elderly grandfather who's just trying to be nice.

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And I really kind of felt like he was supposed to be kind of a giant asshole.

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Not an overstated asshole, but you know, like definitely kind of that evil streak.

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Like stab you in the back, but also a puppet of everybody else.

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The Benet Jezre hair cut threw me off for sure.

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That so all the Benet Jezret are bald.

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The other thing that I didn't like happened almost immediately where the navigators come

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in and they say, we're not the navigators.

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The navigator comes in and is like, we want Paul Atreides dead.

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He's going to screw up the whack of the universe or some shit.

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And the Benet Jezret are like, the emperor's like, okay, Benet Jezret, you got to go.

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And I want full telepathy here in this.

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And I'm like, okay, so one, Benet Jezret don't have telepathy at all.

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They can read, you know, people and they have truth sayers and stuff, but like calling it

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telepathy is kind of a mockery of the entire Benet Jezret order.

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And then two, like the navigators don't know jack shit about anything.

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It takes them like seven books for the navigators to finally be like, oh, something's going

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on here because their precedence only lets them fold space.

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Like it's not seeing visions of the future of people and players.

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And the fact that the Benet Jezret after that meeting, when they were listening in, they

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said, we have to go find out about Paul.

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Well, they knew about Paul because they know about Jessica because Jessica is a Reverend

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mother.

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So like, it just kind of took.

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It took all of the wind out of the Benet Jezret sail in a way that like modern movies do nowadays

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to like any male character almost.

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Right.

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So this was them doing it to the female characters, like making them kind of like charlatans and

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like we're behind on everything when really they were eons ahead of the game, you know?

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Right.

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I mean, the Benet Jezret in the books were kind of the real power behind the universe.

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Them and the guildsmen.

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Yeah, the Benet Jezret were kind of like the engine, the motor that ran the universe because

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it was their whole plan and breeding program that led to all these arranged marriages,

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even if people didn't know they were arranged.

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And you know, they kind of controlled who got born and who didn't, you know, because

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they got so mad at Jessica for carrying a male full term because the Benet Jezret have

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such control over the bodies that they know the gender of the child without having any

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kind of like blood tests or ultrasounds or anything like that, you know?

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So Jessica would have known right away and then the other Reverend Mothers would have

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known right away too, because you know, you can't really hide stuff from the Benet Jezret.

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No, they see everything through their network of spies.

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Yeah.

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And you can later on, you know, in the series and we talked about that, but at this early

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in the storyline, you know, the Benet Jezret are fully kind of in control and you're supposed

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to hate them in the first couple of books.

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Oh, for sure.

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So they're not necessarily the heroes, but they're not necessarily the villains, you

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know, that you kind of think they are in the first part of the book.

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But they're certainly not mindless charlatans, you know, trying to sell snake oil and telepathy

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down at the carnival.

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Right.

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Yeah, that wasn't very nice, I guess.

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I, I, there were like, there were visual aspects where I didn't agree with.

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I understood a lot of the story shorthand they did because they were trying to put so

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much into it that they had to make shortcuts.

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Yeah.

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But the visuals kind of, some of it really threw me off.

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Right, some of the stuff was spot on and some of the stuff was like way out in left field.

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Right.

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Like the still suits were stupid.

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Why would you have your whole head exposed to the desert when you're losing, you know,

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how much moisture out of your fucking head?

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Yeah, you know, not as much as Duncan Idaho after the spinner bullet, but you know, other

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people are still losing moisture out of their, out of their heads.

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You know, I thought, I thought the still suits were fine.

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If anything, a little bit puffy and almost like ski vests, you know, but for the eighties,

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I thought it was a fairly restrained take on still suits.

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I mean, they could have come out like in a David Bowie ask type outfit and said, these

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are our still suits and they're fabulous or whatever.

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So I didn't have as much of an issue with that, but yeah, it makes sense.

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Like you should have your head covered.

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Right.

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They should have their head covered in.

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I don't know why they have such ridiculously huge beards.

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That's not going to be a good seal.

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Yeah.

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I don't care about the beards.

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How about, so like at the very beginning.

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Yeah.

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When Princess Irulin is talking and then they kind of ignore her until the very, very end,

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but then they still kind of like, okay, I'm getting ahead of myself because we'll talk

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about the end later.

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And they're talking like, and the Mentats, they're the human computer machines that have

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red lips.

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And then every Mentat you see has like normal colored lips, but huge fucking eyebrows, like

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ginormous eyebrows.

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And I'm like, why not?

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You know, like I understand the book says they have red lips, but if you're going to

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give them giant eyebrows, don't tell us they have red lips.

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Say you could tell them by their ginormous freaking eyebrows.

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Sarah was thrown off by that.

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Like, I mean, like honestly, at that point, you don't need to mince words.

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If you're changing it, just, just own up to it.

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Yeah.

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We know the book says red lips, but fuck you.

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We want these giant eyebrows.

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The eyebrow guy said there's a two for one sale.

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So everybody's getting big eyebrows.

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Yeah.

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The Raccoon that they painted or painted that they glued onto Brad Durif's forehead will

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let you know that he is in fact, Piter De Vries.

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Yes.

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I actually wrote down some of the casting that I really liked because I liked Brad Durif

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as Piter De Vries.

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Yep.

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I'm a big fan.

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And I actually like Patrick Stewart as Gurney Halleck.

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He wasn't in the movie enough.

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Yeah.

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He wasn't in the movie enough.

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I felt like Patrick Stewart wasn't, I don't know, wasn't, I mean, Patrick Stewart's not

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really a funny guy.

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I'm sure he is.

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I'm sure he is, but like he doesn't usually play funny guys and not that Gurney Halleck

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is super funny, but Gurney Halleck is supposed to play some of these kind of like tongue

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in cheek songs, right?

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And that's kind of his humorous outlet or his like venting or whatever it might be.

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And he plays the older songs and stuff.

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And so they had Patrick Stewart carry this ginormous, I guess they imagine a balisette

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to be unless that is a real balisette.

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I don't know.

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Then that's too big for an instrument.

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Like have Gurney play like a ukulele or something else.

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But it was like the largest thing ever and had like all these balls and bulbs and stuff.

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And it's like, it was a six foot long lute.

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Yeah.

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It's like a siege.

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It's a siege weapon is what it is.

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I thought they I thought Paul was going to ride his his balisette through the shield

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wall at the end instead of the worm.

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Is that shy Halu?

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No, no, that's that's Gurney Halleck's balisette.

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Yeah.

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How is that supposed to be a mobile thing that you can take with you into the battlefield

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and shit?

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Because yeah, it was when I when I thought balisette, I thought like half the size of

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the guitar with more strings.

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Yeah, I thought somewhere somewhere between like a lute, a ukulele, like certainly smaller

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than a full blown guitar.

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But this thing was, you know, like you might as well just carry a stand up bass, dude.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Like mandolin size is what I was thinking.

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Something like that.

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So like an auto harp or something, you know, a keytar.

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Like I don't why didn't they do a keytar?

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It was the 80s.

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That would have been sweet.

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By the way, I'm about an inch in maybe a little longer and it has mellowed out.

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I'm not saying that it's great.

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Yeah, it's not it's not as bad as it initially was.

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The first quarter inch was vile.

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It was terrible.

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And like the the flavor on the cap when I wet it was was worse than the sourness from

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some of those Gurkas we smoked.

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Like it was I was like, did they did they like dip this in like their nutsack sweat

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before they wrapped it up and sent it out?

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Or dude, I know what nutsack sweat tastes like.

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But if I had to imagine era like horrid vibes off of it, I'm like, oh, Jesus, this is why

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they drink whiskey with cigars.

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Yeah, this is the cigar that somebody put in their in their wool vest pocket before walking

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across the United States of America to get to the West Coast.

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Something like that.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if this is the worst one we've ever smoked on the show, but it's in the running,

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I tell you.

387
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Oh, it's worst five.

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It's not as bad as the blood red moon for sure.

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Something's that bad.

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But no, this is just the initial shock of this one was enough for me to be kind of like,

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well, this might be a 10 minute episode.

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I don't know.

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We'll see.

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We'll see.

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I thought so.

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Let's go.

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Let's go through some more of your notes and then we'll just keep smoking.

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And I guess when we're done talking about doing we can be done with the cigar maybe

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unless there's like a mid stick flavor change.

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But there might have to be it would have to be something quite phenomenal.

401
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It's not that bad right now.

402
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It's fine.

403
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It's not the best.

404
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I agree to disagree, I guess.

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So casting, I did make notice of casting.

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I liked Sting.

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I thought he was great.

408
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I had no problem with Sting whatsoever.

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I thought he was great.

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I thought that Linda Hunt was good.

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Yeah.

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As the shout out mapes.

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I like I don't know what actor played Baron Harkonnen, but I thought that his makeup was

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great.

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Yeah, I didn't I didn't like the doctor like, oh, you're so beautiful.

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Like as he's popping like these giant cysts, but I'm not into the like Dr. Pimple pop proper

417
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thing either.

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So right.

419
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And I like a gross, you know, they can't have them and it's working.

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He really gross.

421
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Yeah, they can't have them be the fat pedophile from the book.

422
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Right.

423
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Right.

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So I can.

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So like, mapes was fine.

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I wish they just kind of would have cut her out of the whole thing because like they never

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mentioned Chris Knife's at all and then she was like there and then the giant floating

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dildo came in and Paul was like, holy shit, that's a giant floating dildo.

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And then he saved mapes from being penetrated by the giant floating dildo, aka the hunter

430
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seeker.

431
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Yep.

432
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And for a minute, I thought and we were watching it on Amazon, I think.

433
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And for a minute, I thought, have they put in porn on Amazon now?

434
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Like, what's this dildo doing floating through the air?

435
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Like, is this the wrong the wrong 1984 dune?

436
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And I watch, am I watching dune it instead of dune?

437
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But no, it was, it was dune.

438
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But counterpoint to the giant floating dildo, I did like how they did the gom jibor in this

439
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one.

440
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Oh, sure.

441
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As the little finger cap with the needle instead of the full, full like pin thing or whatever.

442
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Sure.

443
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Yeah, it was nice.

444
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At times it was really accurate to the book to almost to it was like for somebody who

445
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hasn't read it, it probably isn't the best story because they're so accurate to the book.

446
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And that's only because they skip all the buildup to that point.

447
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You know, they really choppy with the information.

448
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So that's kind of the thing is like, there's there accurate and certain scenes.

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And then the scenes that they change to cut stuff for time doesn't really make sense as

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to why they cut the scenes or the plot points that they did.

451
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When it's like, then there was that there's a was it Paul's spice induced stream sequence

452
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or something like they and they and they really didn't put much emphasis on the spice either

453
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in this one, it felt really like it was like secondary or tertiary to the kind of the plot

454
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of the emperor and the Harkonnens trying to fuck over the Atreides.

455
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And then the spice just kind of happened to be there, you know.

456
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Yeah, the spices kind of the whole point.

457
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Yeah, the spice is the whole point.

458
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Yeah.

459
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It's integral to the story.

460
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Yeah.

461
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So I felt like they didn't really put enough emphasis on that.

462
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And then I felt really as big a disservice as they did to the Bennett Jesuit, I felt

463
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they this movie did an even bigger disservice to the Fremen because they didn't really talk

464
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about much Fremen stuff.

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You got to see the the underground reservoir of water.

466
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And then that was kind of about it.

467
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And you didn't really ever get into any of the cool stuff that the Fremen do only in

468
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passing, like, you know, only in passing and the architecture I thought was really out

469
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of place.

470
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Like, yeah, I always envisioned from an architecture being more natural than these crazy, like

471
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black lines, like you're not in Mordor, you know.

472
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Yeah.

473
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And you're not like post-industrial or something like that.

474
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Like I was expecting something more like what is that temple at Petra or Petra?

475
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Or is it carved into the cliff face or something?

476
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You know, something like that.

477
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Right.

478
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And they weren't Middle Eastern enough.

479
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Yeah.

480
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There's also as far as I'm concerned.

481
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Their eyebrows are an appropriate size.

482
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So that was good.

483
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Yeah, it sounds crazy maybe to the listener, but the fact that everybody was pasty pale

484
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,200
white really threw me off on a desert planet.

485
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,200
Yeah.

486
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,480
You know, at the very least, there should have been some tan people, you know.

487
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,880
Yeah, and that's how they are in the book.

488
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,320
They're white, but they're not.

489
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,320
They're like dark and brown.

490
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,320
You know what I mean?

491
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:22,440
Like, yeah, theoretically, they're a mono race in the sky.

492
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:23,440
You know what I mean?

493
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,760
Like, they've all kind of evolved past having genetic differences on that level.

494
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,800
The fact that nobody was tan really threw me off.

495
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:31,800
Yeah.

496
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,080
Especially since they had no head covering of any kind.

497
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,080
Yeah, one of you has a sunburn.

498
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,080
I know it.

499
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,080
Right.

500
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,080
Exactly.

501
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,080
Like, you should at least have a suntan.

502
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,080
Yeah.

503
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:48,400
And for a multimillion dollar movie, details matter.

504
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,440
Yeah.

505
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:54,520
So the other thing I want to talk about real quick was the end, which is kind of like,

506
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,640
quick remember, I don't know if it was an episode of it was an episode or a movie of

507
00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,640
Family Guy.

508
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:05,800
It might have been the movie when Stewie and Brian go traveling, but they go and take like

509
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,300
an open air bus tour in Germany.

510
00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:13,720
And so the tour guide is like talking all the way up to like, you know, 1920.

511
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,200
And then he's like, yeah, and then so like 1950, we did this.

512
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,480
And they kind of skipped over the whole like World War Two unpleasantness.

513
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,440
And so Brian was like, wait, what happened here in like the 30s and 40s?

514
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,120
The tour guide is like, we're all on vacation.

515
00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:31,360
So I felt like the ending was kind of like that where Princess Erulin came on and was

516
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:36,120
like, and then Paul saved the Fremen and made it rain.

517
00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:40,400
And there was peace forever as if he doesn't launch his own jihad immediately after this

518
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,400
book ends.

519
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,400
You know?

520
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,400
Right.

521
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:44,400
Yeah.

522
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,400
It is it was all over the place.

523
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,600
It could have been three movies and better, but one was just too short.

524
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:51,600
You know, they just.

525
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:52,600
Yeah.

526
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,600
They didn't really.

527
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,120
In the 80s, they didn't really do part one, part twos.

528
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:57,120
You know what I mean?

529
00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:58,120
No, no, they would do.

530
00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:03,000
They would do sequels for sure, but they would be based on a different book or well actually

531
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,720
Never Ending Story from the 80s.

532
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,000
The first one is based on the first half of the book and then Never Ending Story two is

533
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,040
based on the second half of the book.

534
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,940
So they kind of did that, but they didn't really call it part one, part two.

535
00:25:15,940 --> 00:25:18,200
And you know, there's different actors and stuff in the second one.

536
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,320
But, you know, so it wasn't unheard of to do kind of like a part one, part two, but

537
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,240
I think all the good Dune titles were taken.

538
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,240
So they'd have to do it.

539
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:30,240
But Deneve Vienvue is doing right now with Dune part one, Dune part two, because you've

540
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,880
already got Dune, Children of Dune, Dune Messiah, Chapter House Dune.

541
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,800
Like you've got all these names out there already.

542
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:41,280
So you can't just be like a sand worm crashing through shield wall on Dune.

543
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,600
That's the name of your movie.

544
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,760
That's the name of my movie.

545
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,120
That's what you would call like a impressionist painting of Dune.

546
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:50,920
You would call it sand worm crashing through shield wall.

547
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,640
Oh, my.

548
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,760
And if you sit far enough away, it looked like a giant dookie.

549
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,120
Did you notice the Ornithopters?

550
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:02,800
Yeah, they were not very impressive.

551
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,720
No, they were kind of.

552
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,520
Oh, and here's the other thing about the Ornithopters.

553
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,640
So when they go and oh, oh, man, this is OK.

554
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,520
So I laughed so hard at this.

555
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:18,480
So you've got Duke, Duke Leto Atreides and Paul and some other fucking you've got I think

556
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,520
Lietkeens, Lietkynes in the in the Thopter.

557
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,520
This is like the first time they go out and they see the the spice harvester and the carry

558
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,280
all and all that stuff.

559
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,640
And they're they're flying out and like this giant fucking lightning bolt comes and like

560
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,640
blasts the sand worm.

561
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,860
And then Duke, Duke Leto Atreides goes, worm sign.

562
00:26:36,860 --> 00:26:40,480
And then the fucking Fremen dude is like, you've got good eyes, my lord, or something.

563
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,680
It's like, yeah, a giant fucking lightning bolt came out of the sky and pointed to the

564
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:45,680
fucking worm.

565
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,480
Like, of course, he's got good eyes for that.

566
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,560
It was a giant lightning bolt.

567
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,840
So I thought that was that was hilarious because like up to that point, it was fairly like

568
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,360
serious and not super hokey like 80s movies can tend to be.

569
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:00,840
And then it was like, here's a giant lightning bolt.

570
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,280
Oh, that's how you know where the worms are.

571
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,520
I suppose it's easier to do that than make sand vibrate, I guess.

572
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,520
But you know, whatever.

573
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,520
Oh, yeah.

574
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,680
And then the second and then and then the second thing of that scene is the same scene,

575
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:14,680
right?

576
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:20,440
It's like the the spice harvester and they're like, oh, they do this weird like radio, like

577
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,760
some kind of weird like playing the stranger or like the circle jerk or whatever it is.

578
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,560
And they're like, we have worm sign coming your way.

579
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:29,560
And they're like, who is it?

580
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,480
And then like Duke Leto is like, don't tell them who it is.

581
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,160
And they're like, oh, just a concerned party or something.

582
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,160
Right.

583
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,600
And it's like super like awkward and weird.

584
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,740
And then and then they're like, well, we don't believe you.

585
00:27:39,740 --> 00:27:41,880
And then he's like, this is Duke Leto Atreides.

586
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,800
And so like, why even bother with the with the subterfuge?

587
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,320
Like, just tell him who it is, like who gives a fuck?

588
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,360
And then they're like, you're not going to have time to evacuate.

589
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:51,360
How many people are on there?

590
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,940
And the guy's like, oh, we got like 28 people on board.

591
00:27:53,940 --> 00:27:59,000
And they take this ornithopter that's the size of my Honda Civic down to the planet

592
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,000
surface.

593
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,800
And they're like, everybody get on board.

594
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,200
We've already got six people in that thing.

595
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,760
How are you going to fit 28 more?

596
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,640
And then like two dudes hop on board and they take off like they saved everybody.

597
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,440
And I was like, that's not how does how does that work?

598
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,840
They made weird shortcuts that they're supposed to be several ornithopters there.

599
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:16,840
You know what I mean?

600
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,080
Like, obviously, you remember the for those who don't remember, there's like a are not

601
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:25,120
a armada, but there's several ornithopters going together to protect the Duke in case

602
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:29,400
there's trouble as they take over this planet from their enemies and they have to empty

603
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,040
all their shit out, you know, to get to save these people.

604
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,040
Yeah.

605
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:39,800
So they have actively have to abandon parts of the planes to get them or ornithopters.

606
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:40,800
Yeah.

607
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:46,360
It kind of diminishes the goodness of the good Duke or whatever.

608
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,360
Goodness of the Red Duke.

609
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,560
Yeah, it diminishes that.

610
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:54,800
And then it kind of diminishes like it really kind of makes the Atreides as like like, I

611
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,520
don't know if this is the right way to phrase it, but kind of like, you know, like the trailer

612
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,400
park Duke or something, right?

613
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:06,920
Like they they're like the emperor's like, hey, my man, Lado Atreides, why don't you

614
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,960
go take over all the spice production?

615
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,760
Okay, you're bringing everybody right?

616
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,400
And Duke Lado is like, I'm bringing everyone.

617
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,160
And Emperor's like, okay, so you got what, like 60,000 people or something?

618
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,960
And Duke Lado in this movie is like, I got eight, eight people.

619
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,400
And you know, and then it's like, okay, you're going out into the desert and a hostile planet.

620
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,000
How many ornithopters are you going to bring?

621
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,000
One, 100.

622
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,000
Excellent, Duke.

623
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,000
Excellent.

624
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,000
No, no, I didn't say 100.

625
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,000
I said one.

626
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:39,160
You know, it's kind of like, you know, like this guy's a Duke of a major family.

627
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,640
Like he's the head of a major family.

628
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,920
He's got his own signet ring.

629
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,400
He's a member of everything.

630
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,200
Like he's he's not just some some dude, you know, pretending to be a Duke, right?

631
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,760
He's a member of the royal family.

632
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,440
Yeah, he's got all the resources all the other people do.

633
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,400
He might not be as rich as the Harkonnens having run the spice production for the past,

634
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,560
however many years or decades, but he's not a chump.

635
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,180
He's able to host lavish dinner parties on Caladan.

636
00:30:05,180 --> 00:30:10,640
He's able to like uproot his entire estate and people and bring them to Arrakis.

637
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,080
So you know, the movie really kind of made them like, well, we're just kind of here hoping

638
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,640
we get our shot at, you know, being something, but they were already something, you know,

639
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,200
like they should have just shown them as a class act, which is what they were.

640
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,200
Right.

641
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,200
Yeah.

642
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,560
He's supposed to be the Red Duke because he's apparently very proficient at battles.

643
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,600
And that is why they had to plan so carefully to fight against him because he is well known

644
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,400
for being proficient at killing people.

645
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,400
Yes.

646
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,920
So, yeah, they definitely made some odd choices, you know, like I said, and like you said,

647
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,760
like some of the casting was great, but I don't I don't I feel like they really kind

648
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:51,240
of like hamstrung the Atreides, the Fremen and the Bene Gesserit by cutting out things,

649
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,240
you know, for time.

650
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,480
And like, I understand you're making a two hour movie out of a book that, you know, should

651
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,200
be six hours minimum.

652
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,120
Easily, easily.

653
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:05,160
And it's not broken up like Lord of the Rings is where you can just cut out a massive part

654
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:10,840
of the story that takes up a huge part of the book, but it's not important to the overall,

655
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:11,840
you know, storyline.

656
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:12,840
Yeah.

657
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,680
And Lord of the Rings is like the right way to do that because they're still long movies,

658
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,680
right?

659
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,280
And the director's cuts are even longer or the extended editions is what they call them.

660
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,840
But you still lose you lose stuff from the book, of course, but you get the overall and

661
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,720
this is maybe the most important thing you get the overall feel of the book, right?

662
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,040
The book is like an epic the trilogy, you know, is like an epic thing, like is an epic

663
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,040
adventure journey.

664
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,400
And that's what you get in the movies, even if you cut out like Tom Bombadil and some

665
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,360
other stuff in the return to the Shire.

666
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,360
Yeah.

667
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,640
And you cut all this stuff out and it's okay because it's a long ass movie as it is and

668
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,520
you want to keep the spirit or the intent of it there.

669
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:54,540
And with this one, it kind of felt like they took all all the parts out that kind of give

670
00:31:54,540 --> 00:31:59,080
it life and make it different than other kind of like schlocky 80s sci fi films.

671
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,080
Right.

672
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,400
Yeah, it's it's fine for an 80s shit movie, but it's not exactly great.

673
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,200
I wouldn't call it a masterpiece.

674
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,720
No, there's good parts.

675
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,280
There's things to enjoy, especially if you like Dune.

676
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,200
It's not it's not the first one I'd recommend watching.

677
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,000
You know, I'd recommend the Frank Herbert's Dune miniseries first.

678
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,160
Well, probably probably the new Dine Villenevue's, you know, part one and two.

679
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,240
I haven't seen part two yet because it's not out, but you know, I felt like that was and

680
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,240
we talked about that one.

681
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,600
We don't have to go into it here, but that one was very book faithful for the most part.

682
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,040
Yeah, I thought it was a new one.

683
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,160
And the miniseries is good.

684
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,200
It's been many, many years since I've watched that.

685
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,920
So as long as nobody is sick of hearing about Dune stuff, maybe Mike and I'll watch the

686
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:41,920
miniseries.

687
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,040
And then there's a sequel miniseries with the same actors, Children of Dune, which combines

688
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,320
Dune Messiah and Children of Dune into another miniseries.

689
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,680
So and I've never seen that.

690
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,880
So we should do both of those miniseries and then do our thoughts on that.

691
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,760
Oh yeah, I think I have them at the house.

692
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,040
Al barred them to me.

693
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,040
Oh yeah, yeah.

694
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,200
He barred it to me when I had to take off like three months off of work and I watched

695
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,200
him.

696
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,200
Yeah.

697
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,760
So I feel like I'm I don't know.

698
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,360
Let me compare to this other one here.

699
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,440
I'm about I'm a little, little less than halfway through this stick.

700
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,840
I guess like acrid is kind of like how I would kind of describe the taste, the flavor.

701
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,720
So I have to be 100 percent honest with you.

702
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,920
OK, I don't know exactly what it tastes like, because every time I start to taste the badness,

703
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,360
I just take a little sip of Johnny Walker Black and then all it tastes is Johnny Walker

704
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,480
Black while I smoke it.

705
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,600
OK, so I was I was doing that, but I only have had the one black Russian out here.

706
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,680
So I'm out because, you know, that's that's all I brought out.

707
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:46,320
And it's not like an overpowering taste that lingers like whiskey is, you know.

708
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,320
Yeah.

709
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,520
So this doesn't taste great at all.

710
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,880
And I would do you know anything about this?

711
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,080
I've never heard of this brand, Undercrowned, Undercrowned.

712
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,520
What I know is that it was in the right price frame.

713
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,000
OK, is it?

714
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,800
I've never heard of it.

715
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:08,740
I was it was in the the five dollar online range, which is why I got it.

716
00:34:08,740 --> 00:34:11,200
And that is it.

717
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,200
There we go.

718
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:17,400
So it's it's called a premium handmade cigar by.

719
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,440
Oh, no way, dude.

720
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,440
Hold on.

721
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,720
Let's see if this is the same one.

722
00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:22,720
I want a picture.

723
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:23,720
Oh, OK.

724
00:34:23,720 --> 00:34:24,720
This is OK.

725
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:25,720
Oh, my God.

726
00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:30,280
I just found out something that will shake you to the core.

727
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,780
Oh, no.

728
00:34:31,780 --> 00:34:36,240
This underground shade is made by Drew Estate.

729
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:37,240
Really?

730
00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:38,240
Really?

731
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:39,240
Shame on them.

732
00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:40,240
This is and they've got.

733
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:41,240
Well, OK.

734
00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:43,920
So they've got actually decent ratings on this.

735
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,720
J.R. Cigars.com, it looks like.

736
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:47,860
So I don't know.

737
00:34:47,860 --> 00:34:48,960
It's not good, though.

738
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,960
I would.

739
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:50,960
Yes, it's good.

740
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:51,960
This is what this one says.

741
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,080
So this is the the Drew Estate underground Maduro, which oh yeah, which we have.

742
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,360
This is the next one we'll do.

743
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,280
But it says a high end cigar for the working man.

744
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,960
Ah, OK.

745
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,960
And so what this one, the Drew Estate underground, it says it received a well deserved ninety

746
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,240
one rating.

747
00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:08,240
The Maduro.

748
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:09,240
The Maduro.

749
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:13,640
So I don't know about this other one, but this other one is the shade grown Connecticut

750
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,400
is not what is is its absolute hogwash is what it is.

751
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,120
I made it over halfway.

752
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:25,320
I can I can recommend you a hundred cigars better than this for the everyday working

753
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,560
man.

754
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,820
If it's not as good as a mummy dick, it's not worth smoking, I guess.

755
00:35:33,820 --> 00:35:35,720
Like mummy dicks are shrews.

756
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:37,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

757
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:44,880
Yeah, you know, like I really enjoy the shrews, but I also enjoy I'd rather have a nub Connecticut.

758
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:45,880
Right.

759
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:51,680
Like you want something similar price range by a similar cigar company of esteem or whatever

760
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:52,680
prestige.

761
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,520
I just get a nub Connecticut or something like there's no reason to get.

762
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,520
These are cheap.

763
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,120
Yeah, they're so cheap.

764
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,680
You can get what the hell is like 25 cigars for one hundred and thirty bucks when they

765
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:03,680
go on sale.

766
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:04,680
Yeah.

767
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:05,680
And they're good.

768
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:11,440
And the same with the LaGloria Cubano's, you know, like any one of those on sale in a pack

769
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,920
smoked that before even thinking about looking at this one.

770
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,160
I don't think it's as bad as Nate says it is.

771
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,520
It's just not good.

772
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:19,520
It's my man.

773
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:20,640
I don't think it's the job.

774
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,160
That's the Johnny Walker talking.

775
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,160
Yeah.

776
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,960
I mean, I haven't had that much Johnny Walker, but I'm definitely letting it sit in my tongue.

777
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:27,960
You're using it.

778
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,040
Yeah, you're using it to get through the cigar.

779
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,440
So let's just call it for what it is.

780
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,160
Just like we said earlier, if you're going to make the men tats not have red lips and

781
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,520
give them giant freaking eyebrows, don't tell us at the beginning that men tats have red

782
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,520
lips.

783
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,280
We can just say they have giant eyebrows.

784
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,280
Yeah.

785
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,280
Brand new.

786
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,440
Call it out as a squirrel glued to his forehead.

787
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:57,480
Those were two squirrel tails glued to his forehead.

788
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,880
And Thufir had two skunk tails.

789
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,240
Oh, yeah.

790
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:04,080
Glued to his, those were massively bushy.

791
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,700
And at first I was like, because I watched it with Luke, right?

792
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:12,960
So I was like, Luke, are those this guy's like honest to goodness real life eyebrows?

793
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,040
And Luke's like, I don't think so.

794
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,120
But then I saw Peter DeVries and I was like, oh, okay, that's how they're designating men

795
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,400
tats in this movie.

796
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:24,040
But at first I was like, there's no reason to give them that big of eyebrows if they're

797
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,060
not his like true eyebrows.

798
00:37:27,060 --> 00:37:31,160
But then later it was revealed that that was their stylistic choice.

799
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,160
It's bizarre.

800
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,200
It's well, it's 80s, very 80s.

801
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,200
It's yeah.

802
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,200
And not in a good way.

803
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,320
Why were the benedicts are bald?

804
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,720
They're supposed to be hot ladies.

805
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:40,720
Yeah, yeah.

806
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:47,280
I guess maybe in what 21 whatever the fuck bald ladies are the hottest thing ever.

807
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,880
But they've never in the books, they were never described as being bald.

808
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:51,880
No, no.

809
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:57,200
They're like extremely attractive weapons, physical weapons, you know?

810
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,200
Yeah, yeah.

811
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,200
Yeah, it's bizarre.

812
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,200
Very, very strange.

813
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,200
Very strange.

814
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:08,600
Well, and it's even weirder because they, so they made all the benedicts bald except

815
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,040
for Jessica, right?

816
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,040
Jessica wasn't bald.

817
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,040
And Princess Irulan.

818
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,520
Yeah, Princess Irulan wasn't bald.

819
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,860
But Princess Irulan never went through the spice agony.

820
00:38:15,860 --> 00:38:17,800
So she's not a full Reverend Mother.

821
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,840
Jessica didn't go through the spice agony at the start of the book.

822
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:21,840
She went through.

823
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:22,840
Oh, very true.

824
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:23,840
Very true.

825
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,400
So, but she was still not bald at the end, I think of the movie anyway.

826
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,400
You know what I mean?

827
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,760
I mean, I can kind of like make her bald then at the end.

828
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:37,680
But the point is that not only is it weird that they made them bald, which is one thing.

829
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,600
It's one choice and that's fine.

830
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,440
But then they gave them these really like ornate headdress things that kind of hid the

831
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,440
baldness.

832
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:50,360
So if you're giving them these giant ornate headdresses, why make them bald?

833
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,280
Just like if you're going to give the Mentats giant bushy eyebrows, why would you mention

834
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,280
that their lips are red?

835
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,600
They should not have like a huge stain on their face.

836
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,360
Like, yeah, they should have stained lips, maybe.

837
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,360
Yep.

838
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:05,360
Yep.

839
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:10,720
And potentially some some interesting stylistic choices, but not as bad as I was initially

840
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:11,720
thinking.

841
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:15,320
But it still only got a five out of 10 on IMDB from me.

842
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,320
All right.

843
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,760
It's did an alien come out in like 1980?

844
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,760
The original.

845
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,760
Yeah.

846
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,000
I mean, by comparison to a two or a three or something.

847
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,000
Yeah.

848
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,800
The thing is, and you would think because up until like there was no alien IP before

849
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:31,800
alien came out.

850
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,800
Right.

851
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,800
Right.

852
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,000
Like there was a whole unique thing that came out.

853
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,440
Well, Dune was already an established book and bestselling book at that when this movie

854
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,440
came out.

855
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,920
And so it's like you've got alien and then aliens shortly thereafter.

856
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,200
You've got this like phenomenal like brand new IP that they're creating.

857
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:52,360
And then you take something that's an established IP or at least at the height of its popularity

858
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,920
right after the books came out and kind of do what they did with it, which is didn't

859
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,160
really do it a whole lot of justice.

860
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,000
I mean, there are certainly good things about the movie, like we said, but in comparison,

861
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:10,480
this would be like, oh, I don't know, maybe a major studio remaking one of their animated

862
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:16,360
classics and just completely flubbing it and losing tons of money at the box office.

863
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,720
But I don't know who that would be.

864
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:19,840
I have no idea.

865
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:25,000
It would be akin to a story that has a character whose physical characteristics are the name

866
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,560
of the story and then changing the physical characteristics of that character and the

867
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,960
sidekicks as well.

868
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,200
Yes.

869
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:38,600
The title of the story is what these individuals look like physically.

870
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,160
And you change what they look like physically.

871
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:48,520
When it was funny that Peter Dinklage came out against them being dwarves when he made

872
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:54,760
a crap ton of money playing a legitimate dwarf in Game of Thrones.

873
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,840
It's humorous that he took offense at it.

874
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,720
And then it's even more humorous that people took him seriously because the dwarves are

875
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:07,620
like magical dwarves that mine for gold in the delving deep.

876
00:41:07,620 --> 00:41:10,120
They're not like people.

877
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,120
They're not human beings.

878
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,260
They're people, but they're not human beings.

879
00:41:13,260 --> 00:41:14,260
They're mythical creatures.

880
00:41:14,260 --> 00:41:15,260
Yeah.

881
00:41:15,260 --> 00:41:16,400
And it's the same as like giants, right?

882
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,280
So like Jack and the Beanstalk.

883
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,320
He goes up the Beanstalk is a giant up there.

884
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,320
Well, what now?

885
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:27,800
The giants are taking offense to there being a mystical being that's 17 feet tall or something.

886
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:28,800
Right.

887
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,440
Like there's nobody that's 17 feet tall.

888
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,560
Well, even and then what the hobbits are the hobbits dwarves.

889
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,560
Right.

890
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:36,560
Yeah.

891
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:37,560
Yeah.

892
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:38,560
You know, so it's like, where does it end?

893
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:39,560
I guess.

894
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:45,000
But yeah, it's a story about semi-mythical creatures, all of whom are semi-mythical,

895
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,840
even though it's let's call it.

896
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:47,840
Let's call it what it is.

897
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,520
It's fictional stories about fictional beings and fictional lands doing fictional things.

898
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:57,600
And yes, you know, it's like, I don't, I really don't care if, if the little mermaid is black,

899
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,800
white, whatever, because it's a fictional person, you know, as a fictional thing, mermaids

900
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:03,800
don't exist.

901
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,080
I don't have like a moral issue with it or anything.

902
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,880
You know, Ariel is white in the animated one and black in the live action.

903
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:10,880
And that's fine.

904
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:16,280
You know, Snow White being Hispanic or whatever is a little different because she's called

905
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,040
Snow White for a reason.

906
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,040
Yeah.

907
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,040
Like her physical characteristics are magical.

908
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,040
In the fairy tale.

909
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,040
Yeah.

910
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,040
Skin white as snow.

911
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,040
In the fairy tale.

912
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Hair black as cold.

913
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,760
Red, lips red as a rose.

914
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:27,760
Right?

915
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,320
Like this is a semi-mythical characteristic.

916
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,320
Yeah.

917
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,560
Like people don't typically look like that.

918
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,840
It doesn't make it, it doesn't make it right to have that, have that person be white all

919
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,360
the time because you can, I mean, like, look at Santa Claus, right?

920
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,840
Santa Claus has always been whatever color the people in the population have been.

921
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:46,840
Right?

922
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:47,840
Oh, sure.

923
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,280
In America, well, yeah, in America, Santa Claus is predominantly white.

924
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,960
But if you go into Mexico, they're not, they're not putting out statues of a Caucasian Santa

925
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:56,960
Claus.

926
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,760
And there's other like in the Krampus and like all these other iterations of this character.

927
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,760
So that's not to say that you have to have Snow White be white.

928
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,440
I don't know how we got here from Dune.

929
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,640
Well, I mean, the Middle Eastern thing or the Spice.

930
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,300
I actually have more of a problem with the Snow White thing because the name of the story

931
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:15,920
is Snow White and the seven dwarves.

932
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,440
It's supposed to be the Snow White mythical being and the seven dwarves mythical beings.

933
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:21,440
Like, that's the story.

934
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,440
Yeah.

935
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,440
You know what I mean?

936
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,780
Like it's in the name.

937
00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:27,780
It's not the same.

938
00:43:27,780 --> 00:43:32,160
I mean, Santa Claus is Santa Claus as long as he's, you know, Santa Claus and wearing

939
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,160
the red suit.

940
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,160
Yeah.

941
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,160
It's more about the red, the red suit and delivering toys.

942
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,160
Maybe it's even less about the suit and just more about the toys, you know, and doing it

943
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,160
all night.

944
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,160
But basically.

945
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,160
Yeah.

946
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,440
I guess like what Santa Claus looks like is kind of irrelevant to an extent.

947
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,760
It's not like his descriptor is his name.

948
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,760
True.

949
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:52,760
Right.

950
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:53,760
Yeah.

951
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:54,760
Little Mermaid.

952
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,000
If Little Mermaid wasn't a mermaid, then that'd be a problem.

953
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,000
Yeah.

954
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,000
Right.

955
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,160
If Little Mermaid was like a fucking unicorn, then it wouldn't be the Little Mermaid anymore,

956
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,160
would it?

957
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,960
No, it would not.

958
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,960
I suppose they can't call it the ugly duckling anymore either.

959
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,600
It's got to be the, I don't know, something else.

960
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,680
Like ugly duckling has kind of like a bad connotation, I guess.

961
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,680
Right.

962
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,680
But then that's the point of the story.

963
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,640
But that's the point of the story is you're not supposed to judge people based on their

964
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:21,640
looks.

965
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,640
Right.

966
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,040
And it's a geese or a goose or a swan or something like that.

967
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,040
Yeah.

968
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,640
It's a swan that falls in, a baby swan that falls in with the ducklings.

969
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,640
Right.

970
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,640
It looks way different.

971
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,800
So they're making fun of him, but then he turns into this beautiful swan or he or she,

972
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:35,800
whatever.

973
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,440
I'm sure the gender of birds doesn't really matter.

974
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,240
Yeah, I don't even know.

975
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:41,240
It's not important.

976
00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:44,120
No, it's a kid's story.

977
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,120
It's a kid's story.

978
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,120
So.

979
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,120
Right.

980
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,120
Yeah.

981
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,120
I don't know.

982
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,400
That's like having a Daffodil Duck story and then having Bugs Bunny as the main character.

983
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,400
Right.

984
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,400
Yeah.

985
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,640
Which happens quite frequently because Bugs is the star of anything he's ever in.

986
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:55,640
So.

987
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:56,640
Right.

988
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:57,640
That's also true.

989
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:58,640
That's also true.

990
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,640
Yep.

991
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,960
Do you want to keep on keeping on with this stick or?

992
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,280
Well, I already know that you don't want to keep on keeping on.

993
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,640
Whatever gave you that idea?

994
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:15,160
I'm trying to be open and receptive to new thoughts and perspectives in my life.

995
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,200
I have about two and a half inches left.

996
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,200
Maybe three.

997
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,600
Maybe three inches left.

998
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,120
And it is sour for sure.

999
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,120
I just hit.

1000
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,160
I just hit the halfway point and I just, you know, I don't think I'm going to do it.

1001
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,760
Yeah, it's sour.

1002
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:28,760
It's not.

1003
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:29,760
It's.

1004
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:30,760
It's almost giving you a headache.

1005
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,080
It's a thing you shouldn't put in your mouth.

1006
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,480
So yeah, the inside of the band says Drew Estates right on it.

1007
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:39,480
Oh, OK.

1008
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:40,480
Yeah.

1009
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,640
I took the band off and God, that's disappointing.

1010
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:44,640
Yeah.

1011
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,960
I don't want to do a spoiler alert, but I hope the Maduro is better next episode.

1012
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,600
If it's not, my episode is going to be very short.

1013
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,200
I have two pages worth of notes.

1014
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,200
OK.

1015
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,680
Well, there's plenty of stuff to talk about.

1016
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,680
I just I can't with this under crown shade Connecticut.

1017
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:03,680
Yeah.

1018
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,880
We do a little bit of vamping, but this is.

1019
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:06,880
Yeah.

1020
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:07,880
And there's more doing stuff we could talk about.

1021
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,960
But I, you know, like the cigar is bad and the Dune movie was bad.

1022
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,160
So I don't really, you know, like I just have a bad feeling.

1023
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,480
I just let's let's go happy and let's be happy.

1024
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,480
Yeah.

1025
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,880
So I guess that'll be all I'm putting it down.

1026
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:20,880
Yeah.

1027
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,120
Let's we're going to put this thing out of its misery and out of our lives for forever.

1028
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:29,480
If anyone offers you an underground Connecticut shade Connecticut, tell them no and then cease

1029
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:30,760
to be friends with them.

1030
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,680
You know, maybe if you put tequila on it, but other than that, yeah, we should try this

1031
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,120
as a tequila cigar because we did the the bin Maduro and we've done some off, not on

1032
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,320
the show, but it would be very interesting to do one.

1033
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:48,720
And I don't want to do the the what is it that the blood red moon cigar because I don't

1034
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:52,680
think a flavor it might be an interesting like scientific experiment, but we should

1035
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,640
do a tequila cigar on a cigar that we both dislike.

1036
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,980
Like we didn't dislike the bin Maduro, but it was just meh.

1037
00:46:59,980 --> 00:47:01,360
This one, like I actively hate.

1038
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,880
I actively hate this cigar.

1039
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,800
So maybe we should try this.

1040
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,040
You said you have another one in your box, don't you?

1041
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,040
Yeah.

1042
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,040
The longer one.

1043
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,040
Thank God it's longer.

1044
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,040
I can't wait to smoke more of this.

1045
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:18,160
I'll have to look and see if I have one.

1046
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,440
If you have one, let's do the long one as a tequila cigar.

1047
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,440
OK.

1048
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,440
OK.

1049
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,280
Otherwise, I'm not even looking forward to it, to be honest.

1050
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,040
No, avoid this stick at all costs.

1051
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,080
I am putting this is like my second least favorite cigar after the blood red moon.

1052
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,440
Yeah, I think that's the only one we quit early, isn't it?

1053
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,440
We quit another one.

1054
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,760
One of the girls, I think one of the girls.

1055
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,040
But even that was better than this because this is just sour all the way through.

1056
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,880
And the girls, you can at least smoke slower and it tastes better.

1057
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,440
But this one I'm smoking super slow because I'm only halfway through and it's still sour

1058
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,400
and accurate and gross.

1059
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,000
And yeah, the first quarter is rough.

1060
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,560
I was.

1061
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,760
That was we powered through to get more worse stuff.

1062
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:01,760
So yeah.

1063
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,840
Anyway, thanks for listening.

1064
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:10,440
Enjoy 1984 Dune with a nice under crown shade Connecticut.

1065
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:11,440
Be safe.

1066
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:19,200
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