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Alright, welcome back to the Buffalo Bread Podcast.

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This week, Dan and JJ will tackle the draft.

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This will be our Bill's preview of what we believe the team needs in the upcoming draft

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at the end of April.

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And also, why it might not be linebacker.

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So stay tuned as we dissect the next iteration of Brandon Bean throwing darts at the board

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in the attempt to build an all-pro roster.

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That's so unfair.

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Dan, how are you doing?

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That's so unfair.

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You remember five years ago where this team was at, right?

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I think we need to pull it back just a little bit, right?

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The draft strategy has, by and large, worked out better than I would say in the past.

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Do you remember the pod we did?

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Maybe it was now like less than a year ago where you literally ran through every draft

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pick that Doug Whaley ever made.

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Oh yeah, yeah, I do remember that.

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But I also-

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Pretty sure we're in a better place.

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Well, I think that's just the way that fandom works though, is you're never happy with anything

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unless your team is winning the Super Bowl every single year, right?

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Oh my God, we've turned into Patriots fans.

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We've never won one and we've turned into Patriots fans.

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We're spoiled brats now that the Bills have won the AFC East three years running and gone

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to the playoffs consistently.

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In that word, I'm saying such things as, yeah, Brandon Bean has put together probably one

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of the top five or 10 best rosters in the league, but how many All-Pros has he drafted

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in the past two drafts really?

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Even though he's found above average starters in the fifth and sixth round multiple times.

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Right, this is correct.

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But here's where I think the overarching criticism is fair of the draft strategy employed by

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Brandon Bean.

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And we're going to talk about some positions, positions of need in this draft that really

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are ones that potentially the Bills should have been looking at two, even three years

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ago.

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And this is what I think is fair to say of Brandon Bean.

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He doesn't draft for the need until it comes right up on him.

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We were talking back before last season, how they needed to draft DBs.

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They didn't have a lot of depth.

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The Poyer was on an expiring contract, you know, Hyde only had two years left.

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Who was going to be the number two opposite Trey White?

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It couldn't be Dane Jackson forever.

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All that kind of stuff, right?

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And he went back to back edge, the boogie Bashamir.

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Finally when it was staring him in the face that he needed to draft a young DB to at least

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time when this DB he drafted would be coming off of his rookie contract with when Trey

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would be coming off his most recent extension, then he finally did it.

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But the guy by all accounts he really wanted, Trent McDuffie, he got leaped frog by Kansas

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City who drafted him panicked and then moved up to pick Kyair Elam to make sure they at

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least got their number two guy off the board.

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Right.

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So I think it's fair to say that Bean with just certain positions, they feel overly confident

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with a lot of the talent that is in house.

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Anyone could look at Levi Wallace a few years ago, Dane Jackson last year and tell you these

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are solid players that are not starting caliber.

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But the belief is so strong within that building in the talent they have on the roster that

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sometimes they let pressing needs sneak up on them.

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Right.

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They make a lot of what I would say are luxury picks a lot of times at certain positions.

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Again, boogie Basham being one of them after you had Greg Russo in pocket, and they don't

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often addressed where they have needs coming up in the next two or three years.

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So I think that's fair, right?

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Because it always feels like being is playing a little bit of catch up in some of these

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higher profile positions.

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That being and there's going to be a couple we're going to talk about, we're going to

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talk about defensive tackle, which they have no one signed to pass this season on defense

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for defensive tackle.

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And we're probably going to talk about linebacker, I'm going to guess because they just lost

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Tremaine Edmonds and free agency.

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And they drafted Terrell Bernard last year in the third round.

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And they really don't know what they have in that kid either.

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So So yeah, all that being said, criticism is fair.

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We're being bitches to some extent, though, because the roster is still very good.

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But yeah, being does tend to let these things sneak up on them.

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And this is not a draft JJ that you want to get snuck up on.

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It's a weird draft.

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There's like, I don't know that there is at any position, including quarterback generational

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talent outside of Bijon Robinson, which Bill's fans don't want to talk about running back

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in the first round, which I get I get.

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So So you like the best tackle in this draft from the Northwestern kids, Skranoski at Mel

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Kuyper actually has mocked him as a guard now because his arms are so short.

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So like, that's the kind of weird draft that we're in this year.

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So this is not a draft that you necessarily want to walk into with a lot of needs sneaking

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up on you.

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But that's kind of where being is at.

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He's at a little bit of a deficit in this particular draft.

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Yeah, and I think I think you're right.

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Your point to the fact that they let needs sneak up on them.

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It does feel like sometimes specifically with the draft, it's like they they are playing

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40 checkers or chess when they really should be playing checkers, right?

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Like they're they're like, well, you know, maybe we'll pick this elusive upside guy from

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a mid major conference that nobody knows about.

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And sometimes it turns into Taron Johnson, and sometimes it it just flames out, you know,

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turns into Jaquan Johnson.

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Yes, exactly.

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Exactly.

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That's a great, you know, sometimes it's Taron Johnson, sometimes Jaquan Johnson.

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Let's be on the Taron side more than the Jaquan's, right?

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And so, you know, I think that that's the thing that is interesting.

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And you're right about this draft class.

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When you look at it, it's really it's it's a schmozzle in the middle.

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And there's like 20 prospects on the top end who look like day one starters.

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And then it's like a bunch of guys that could either be Odell Beckham or they could be,

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you know, Austin Pearl.

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Like you know, and it's just like that.

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That's the whole middle is just and that's talking from like the latter half around two

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or even, you know, the bottom, you know, around two all the way down to seven is people who

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could be contributing, starting NFL players because the data set isn't complete or because

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we haven't seen enough or the competition they played against wasn't, you know, supreme

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or their preparation or they switch, you know, they switch positions late.

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Like there's so many of those stories in this draft that I think are fascinating, but it's

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also really scary, I'm sure, for a GM, because if you're in a, you know, program, if you're

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in a position in a front office where you do not have the safety and security of multiple

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years winning your division, yeah, it's probably pretty risky.

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And that's, I think, why so many the rumblings around the league are that so many GMs are

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looking to move out of the top, you know, top two rounds and collect midday picks, because

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GMs know if we call if we grab a bunch of darts, we're going to do a much better job

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and probably have a little bit more job security.

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If we can say, Hey, look at this guy in the fourth round, it worked out.

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We have three fourth round picks, two number bus and one's an all star, right?

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It's where the value is in a draft that is this weird, right?

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It's just a weird one.

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I don't want to say it's bad, like, all of everyone in this draft is like an incredible

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athlete, we're going to talk about measurements and all this stuff, like, like we could hack

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it with these guys, we know we can't like so to the general public, these are amazing

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athletes, but relative to past draft years, like the bills only have six picks this year,

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I don't know that there are six guys in the draft that make in this draft that make the

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bills roster, you know what I mean?

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So if you're a if you're a competing team, if you're like a Kansas City who's got 10

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draft picks, or if you're a team without a lot of draft capital, but but have some pretty

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clear needs you need to fill, I can see one of two things happening.

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I can see, and I'll clump the bills in this, I could see a Kansas City, a Miami or a Buffalo

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get really aggressive with limited draft capital to move up, because they would rather have

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one of these top 20 guys than they would like you said, so eloquently throw a bunch of darts

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in the third and fourth round and see what sticks.

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Then you're going to have other teams and the bills could fall into this bucket too,

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that feel like they don't have a lot of holes and feel like the holes they do have cannot

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be addressed by the talent in this draft.

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So they will trade back and they will gain assets, and they will see if they can strengthen

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depth at other areas that are already strengths and look to the third tier for agent market

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to fill some of the needs they have.

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So I could see a scenario where the bills if they just fall in love with a wide receiver

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or an offensive lineman or a defensive lineman, let's be real, particularly interior defensive

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tackle, I could see them trading up to secure one of the blue chippers on this draft and

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then call it good.

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Otherwise I can very well see them trading back in the first round or even trading back

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in the second round and just accumulating a bunch of picks, right?

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And seeing again what sticks, but there are not six guys in this draft that can make this

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roster.

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So if you're a bills fan and you hear that Bean is trading up or you see in the draft

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that Bean trades up and he gives up draft capital this year, that's fine because there's

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not a lot of really good guys that the bills are going to be able to attain in this draft.

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I would rather have four good solid picks and one stud that they draft up for, then I'd

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have like nine guys that six of which aren't going to make the team.

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Well, and I think that's interesting too, because that's going to be so much, if so

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much traffic in the draft is going down, then there has to be somebody going up, right?

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Exactly.

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Or if the projection is that there's going to be so much traffic going down.

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And so you always have to have a trade partnering and could the bills be one of those teams

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if they're certain of a guy.

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And I think that that's the question that will be posed if Brandon Bean comes out of

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this draft with four picks and they've used two as trade chips, which is he is more aggressive

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than most gems in the league.

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When it comes to the draft, he tends to trade up way more than he does move in any direction.

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And so the possibility or the possibility that he uses a piece of draft capital to trade

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for a player is also on the table.

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I think if he thinks that that player is going to be the complimentary piece to this offense

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or defense.

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And so, you know, I do wonder if the trade up and the aggressive nature of Brandon Bean

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comes into play.

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I'm with you.

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I don't think that we have room for six, six players on the 53, but I'd rather they do

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what they need to do to get three contributors.

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Mm hmm.

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Agree.

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And if we miss on one, that's reasonable, it's an imperfect science.

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I think I remember seeing a statistic that, you know, GMs who hit on, who have three starting

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caliber players in a single draft class of seven picks, normal picks, that's that tends

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to be job security.

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If you can every year have three people contributing starters and not we're not talking all pros

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here.

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We're talking just meaningful snaps, contributing starters who are considered average at their

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position in the league.

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That's good.

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That's a good batting average.

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Yep, totally agree.

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I totally agree.

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So I'm interested to see as we talk about Buffalo's overall draft strategy, what they

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do in round one, because that's that is in a normal circumstance that dictates what the

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rest of your board strategy is going to look like based on how the board is falling.

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But I think this year in particular, if they trade up, that tells you they're not interested

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in a lot of guys in the latter rounds, and they really want to use their limited capital

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to get the guys that they want.

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And I think the Trent McDuffie situation last year has really solidified for being that

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if you see a guy that you want, draft draft positioning be damned, you're going to go

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up and you're going to get that guy.

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So it's going to be so interesting to me, I could see teams like LA, the Rams who also

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don't have a first round pick, I could see them being a trade partner for the bills,

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if the bills want to trade down.

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I could also see a team that has multiple first round picks.

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So we're talking about the Texans, I think the Lions and the Seahawks, right have multiple

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first round picks, I could see the bills trading up into the lower teens with one of those

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teams, if it means getting a Jackson Smith and Jigba or something like that, right.

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It's going to be interesting.

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But what they do in round one, more than any other year is going to set the table, I think

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for what the rest of the draft for the Buffalo Bills looks like, because it's such a shallow

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tail and pool in this year's draft.

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I think that's the most diplomatic way to say it.

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Like the positions that are deepest this year are running back in tight end.

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And these are not positions the Bills are interested in filling right now.

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So yeah, super interested to see what the strategy is going to be.

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I am actually on team trade up.

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I think as we were getting into the offseason, I was like accumulate draft capital, draft

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a bunch of guys add to your depth, all this kind of stuff.

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Based on how they've approached free agency, I will be thrilled if they walk away with

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another blue chip interior offensive lineman that's got center that's got center versatility.

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So you get your Mitch Morris replacement.

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But you also have a guy that can push Ryan Bates a little bit on the left side of that

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line if need be, and it adds to your depth on the interior in a great way.

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I'll be happy if they get another wide receiver.

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Again, someone with inside outside versatility, someone who can replace Gabe Davis if ultimately

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we don't extend him at the end of the season, but someone who can open up the middle of

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the field again for this Buffalo Bills offense.

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And I know Josh's UCL strain has something to do with his limited accuracy in the short

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area of the field after week nine, but they just they didn't have anybody that could eat

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the middle of the field for him.

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They were basically playing with only two thirds of the field available to them.

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We talked about that ad nauseam last year, we looked at the splits of where Josh's attempts

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were going, and they started getting more to the boundaries and deeper, right?

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Part of it was the injury.

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But part of it too was he didn't have a reliable target over the middle of the field.

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So I'd love to see the Bills just get a really fast guy that can run some nice short routes

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and can secure the ball in this year's draft.

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I'll be happy if we just get those two things.

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And then honestly, I would love a defensive tackle just so we have somebody in the event

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that we don't sign at Oliver long term, because Dequan Jones is on the last year of his deal.

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He's in his upper 30s.

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Jordan Phillips also into his early 30s.

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Add Oliver, what is an extension really worth for him at this point?

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And Tim Settle is at the end of his two year contract.

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And he was a nice rotational piece, but not a guy that you're going to build a line around.

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So I would like to see the Bills walk away with those three things here.

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Yeah.

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And I'm with you in terms of my ideal is certainly, I think blue chip wide receivers probably

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the top of my list because I agree.

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Diggs is getting older there, Gabe Davis is off the books after this year, probably if

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he leaves, he might not have a market if he proves the inconsistency that he showed this

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past year and we'll see, but that's unlikely.

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We saw some mid tier and second tier wide receivers get starter money every off season

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for the past three years because every team is looking for their stuff on Diggs and think

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they can uncover that uncut gem on somebody else's roster.

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And so if Diggs leaves, I think that there's a void there and the Bills have made some

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great signings and free agency of some young talented wide receivers, but we can't count

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on that.

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And that's not going to be a cheap contract if they hit because they're one year or two

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year deals.

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And so longer term continuity there.

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So wide receiver, I agree with you on, I agree with you on defensive interior.

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I'm going to depart on...

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Oh, I missed that term.

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I know, I'm going to depart from your course of thinking on the offensive line because

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I know that you had, you know, you've been talking about having the heir apparent to

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the pivot for Mitch Morse for a little while and I think it's certainly a need.

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I would agree it's a need.

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I just don't know that this is a great draft for it and I don't know that they're going

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to get the value of that position unless it's a mid or, you know, their fourth or fifth

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pick or something like that.

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And that's possible.

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They could find that person that late in the draft.

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They could.

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They could trade down situation like that.

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And we'll talk about that.

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There's a couple of guys in the draft that I think they could nap.

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But that's that's not what I want to use a top three round pick on.

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I think and I think that that my thinking has changed.

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We talked at the end of the season.

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I was like draft a guard that can play center.

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I'm a little stunned by this actually.

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I'm advocating for the line over you.

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I I'm not comfortable continuing this pod.

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Stay tuned my friend.

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We didn't do a full run through.

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I'm not advocating for the guard center in the top three rounds.

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I'm advocating for a tackle.

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Oh, someone specifically a right tackle to someone of course Spencer Brown.

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I listen I agree with you.

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I 100% agree with you.

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And I think that's a good segue to get into some of our stuff here.

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But based on I mean, we talked about this last pod, how overly confident being in McDermott

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both sounded in Spencer Brown.

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Like I actually I worry that they I worry that it's become an emotional decision for

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them about Spencer Brown.

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Like I agree with you.

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I would love to get Matthew Bergeron.

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I would like to get love to get the kid out of Tennessee.

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Paris Johnson out of Ohio love to get one of these guys and one of these guys might

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be attainable for a modest trade up Bergeron.

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Well, we could get Bergeron to pick 27 I believe I would love to get one of these guys.

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But they're just so stubborn about Spencer Brown.

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I can't see them drafting the next kid up when they still feel like there's something

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in the tank for brown.

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Now that being said, you also got to think about Dan Dawkins on the other side of the

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line because he's got two years left on his contract did not have a great season last

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year.

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We wonder if maybe this is the start of a decline for him physically.

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I I could be persuaded for offensive tackle to push Brown, but I don't think the bills

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would would do that, but I could also see them again, maybe not letting this need sneak

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up on them next year.

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Getting the D on Dawkins replacement of the future in this draft because there's some

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guys I agree that they could pick.

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So I don't I don't depart with you.

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I just don't I just don't think that you know, you know what I think is going to happen there

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are going to draft a single offensive lineman in the first three rounds that because that's

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what they do.

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That's what it does.

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They're gonna be like we resigned Quinn question Barry we recent and we signed we're getting

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like butger back right.

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Our depth is fine.

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But you're back.

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We've got you know, Connor Mcnever and the guard not the center and we've got Tommy

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Doyle coming off injury.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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So yeah, I'm with you.

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I want beef man.

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Look at how look at how Philly drafts.

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I want beef right.

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But I think we're both probably wrong because I'm going to talk about guards.

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You're going to talk about tackles.

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None of them get drafted in the first three rounds for the Bills.

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That's just not being Zemo.

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It's just we both and we both cry and Josh Allen injuries.

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Seriously.

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Well, I mean, but all right.

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And this will be my last bit about this draft strategy piece.

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And then we'll actually get into like who we think the Bills should draft if we were

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running the team, which no one put us in charge of a team, please.

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But um, but Bean has begged Josh Allen to protect himself better this season.

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Run less slide all this stuff.

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And I think that's fine.

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Like even you and I wince a little bit when we see Josh dive head first at like the opposing

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teams 40 yard line to get an extra yard on like third and seven to make it third and

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two.

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Right?

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Like like we we we feel that's overly risky too.

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But Brandon Bean also has the ability to protect Josh Allen with the guys that he signs and

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the guys that he drafts.

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The reality is over the last two seasons, the guys that he has signed and drafted have

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not done a good job protecting Josh, which is why he feels the need to run for his life

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on almost every down.

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If there were a year where I would love to see Brandon Bean alter his typical draft

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course, it would be this year.

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A show of faith to Josh that we're going to use a premium pick on a protector for you

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in this year's draft.

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We're serious about you protecting yourself more.

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Here is our Auntie for how we're going to protect you better.

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Now meet us halfway and slide.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Otherwise, I feel like beans got no credibility in this argument because Conor McGovern, nice

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pickup but really that's going to be your interior seal for Josh.

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Like I don't know.

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I'm with you and I think we're both going to be disappointed.

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We'll see a round for offensive lineman drafted like we do every year.

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That's just what we're going to say.

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And then he'll he'll be stuck behind Spencer Brown and trade him away to the Browns where

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he becomes an all pro.

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Seriously, just if you trade Spencer Brown, don't don't trade him anywhere.

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That's got a living breathing line coach, please.

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Just don't.

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All right.

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Anyway.

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All right.

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You want to get into it?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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All right.

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So let's say offensive line for last then.

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All right.

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We both agree that top end wide receiver is something that the bills need to address.

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So why don't we start with wide receivers?

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So the bills currently have the number 27 pick in the first round, which seems like a

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good place to leverage either waiting for your guy or potentially trading up into the

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first round to get the guy you absolutely want.

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So JJ, walk me through some of your options here at wide receiver.

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Who is some who are a few guys that you're looking at that you think the bills should

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pick up?

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So you've already mentioned pretty much I think most of bills mafia is talking about

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Jackson Smith and Jigba.

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Jackson Smith and Jigba is basically, you know, JSN is like the draft crush of the bills

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mafia right now because he's potentially in striking distance, probably about the 18th

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through 20th highest ranked overall of all positions, position, you know, player in the

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draft.

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Because they're not getting up for Quentin Johnson, the probably top wide receiver in

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the class.

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JSN is second in a lot of people's mocks.

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And so he's a target because six foot tall, about 200 pounds coming out of the draft as

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a junior was at Ohio State before I'm trying to think of the two Ohio State receivers that

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were taking on last year's draft.

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Garrett Wilson.

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Yeah, Garrett Wilson and there was another one.

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Who's the other guy?

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I can't remember.

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I'll look it up.

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Cool.

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They're both first round draft picks.

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And when they were all playing together at Ohio State, they Chris Olaf.

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Okay, Chris, a lot of it.

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Yeah.

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So Chris, a lot of a and Garrett Wilson both had excellent rookie seasons.

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And there was sort of an agreement before JSN got hurt last year, he was going to have

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the biggest season of all three of them.

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And he came back this year, you know, again, injury shortened and, you know, prove some

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things in a short sample size, but really could be that incredible technician at the

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position, amazing body control, amazing ability to stem his routes and shake defenders, create

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separation.

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I think that that's a super QB friendly receiver, I think is kind of the draft notion.

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So that's probably my number one wide receiver.

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And then you get down into the more likely to be there if the bills do not move up the

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draft board.

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And that's kind of Jordan Addison started his career at Penn State, 511 173, Zay Flowers

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from Boston College slot receiver kind of only think Isaiah McKenzie, but faster and

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more dynamic and better hands and more of an ability to get distance down the field.

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That's Zay Flowers from BC.

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Surprisingly can do over the top deep routes even as a short receiver.

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So that's sort of where I am.

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I've got some mid round guys, but why don't you go with your thoughts on kind of top of

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the draft guys?

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Yeah, top end guys, I agree with you, say for one, right.

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And I was so I agree with you on JSN.

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I think JSN despite the the lower body injuries, despite the questions about how fast can he

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run a straight line, which always feels like a stupid question, right?

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He's such a smooth route runner.

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He's a reliable catcher.

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We just talked about the need to give Josh a target that's reliable in the middle of

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the field.

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I mean, this kid comes in day one and he owns the slot.

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Like he is our middle of the field target.

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You can you can then spell Gabe Davis with Khalil Shakir on the outside every now and

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then, which gives you a really fast outside duo and opens up the middle of the field for

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JSN to do his like magical route running.

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Like when you talk about a complete route runner, this is as complete as a route running

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tree as you get out of a rookie QB.

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He would come in day one and make an immediate impact for this offense.

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This is a guy who I'd like to see them spend a first round pick on.

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He's not going to fall to 27.

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He's likely the first wide receiver off the board.

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So this is one of those trade up situations where if the bills are just locked in on getting

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their guy, this is the guy that you trade up for Bills Mafia.

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I also like Jordan Edison too.

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Addison is a little bit smaller than JSN, but again, reliable route runner, really good,

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really good hands comes from a pro style offense at USC, which I think translates really well.

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But JJ, one of the things I said that I wanted earlier in the off season was just really

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fast guys that can catch the ball.

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And I think Jay, I think Zay Flowers is one of those guys, but I think there's some, I

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hear a lot of mock media guys saying he's got inside outside versatility.

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I get that he played on the outside a lot at Boston college, but he's only five nine

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barely above 180.

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He really does feel like more of a slot type of gadget guy, I think.

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And in the right offense, I think he could do really good things.

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I just don't know that that's a dude that the bills need right now.

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I look at a guy like Jaylen Hyatt out of Tennessee.

462
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He's big, just over six feet, a little bit on the lighter side pushing 175 180 for three

463
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:01,200
speed has a pretty complete route tree and vice grips for hands.

464
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:07,760
This is a dude who lit up an Alabama secondary this past season for over 235 yards and four

465
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,580
touchdowns in a single game.

466
00:28:09,580 --> 00:28:12,880
And that's a pro style secondary that he's playing against.

467
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,080
I think Jaylen Hyatt comes in immediately pushes Gabe Davis for that number two outside

468
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,320
position.

469
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:27,000
And if you can somehow line up digs Davis Hyatt and Shakir in a four wide receiver set,

470
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,660
good freaking luck keeping up with that group.

471
00:28:29,660 --> 00:28:33,360
So Hyatt is another guy who I really like and I like them because word is Kansas City

472
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:34,360
is targeting them too.

473
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,960
You don't want to give a guy that fast to Patrick Mahomes.

474
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,680
So you add a weapon while taking a weapon away from your adversary.

475
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,220
But those are the three guys in the wide receiver class that I think I would bunch together

476
00:28:46,220 --> 00:28:51,560
as I would spend a first first round pick on and Jaylen Hyatt might you might be accused

477
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:57,640
of reaching because he sort of considered top of round two middle around to type prospect.

478
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,320
But that all depends on how the draft flows.

479
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,040
I mean we talk about this all the time.

480
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,800
The NFL draft is a dynamic process.

481
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:09,400
If five quarterbacks go in the first five picks, the whole draft board below is pushed

482
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,400
down.

483
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,160
There's a lot more talent in the 15 16 position in that first round than you'd ever expect

484
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,880
because you know people get hungry and weird once quarterbacks are in the mix.

485
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:19,880
For sure.

486
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,840
Can I talk about my my third or fourth round draft crush at wide receiver?

487
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,120
Yeah, go for it.

488
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,680
And I don't know if I've talked about that.

489
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,800
I may have may not have told you my draft crush.

490
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,640
Do you remember who I said it was?

491
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,080
You're breaking news right now.

492
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,120
So I'm very excited.

493
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,480
Tell me what you know if you know anything about Puka Nakua.

494
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,120
I know nothing about Puka Nakua.

495
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,680
This is not someone who I have on my my amateur board.

496
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,640
Tell me about Puka Nakua.

497
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:56,240
So Puka Nakua is a six foot two 205 pound coming out of BYU as a junior.

498
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,920
And he played for Washington for a couple of years before finishing his college career

499
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,600
at BYU.

500
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,600
And he appeared in 21 games.

501
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:11,640
He had some injuries, but he led the team both seasons in receiving yards and 11 touchdown

502
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,640
grabs.

503
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:19,300
He is I'm trying to think of an analog that you would you would recognize.

504
00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:20,300
How about this?

505
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:22,840
He is a slightly taller Robert Woods.

506
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,240
Oh, that's nice.

507
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:32,720
He is a heavy, heavy team guy, super family oriented, will grab literally anything in

508
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,460
his in his space because Robert Woods, when he was with the Bills, played with some pretty

509
00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:40,600
poor quarterbacks, but seemed to always come down with the ball, even if it was way out

510
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,040
of his catch radius.

511
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,740
He found a way that is Puka Nakua.

512
00:30:44,740 --> 00:30:48,440
After watching just a few of his games, you know, not super in depth, but I watched a

513
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,200
number of his games and not just highlights, but rather full games.

514
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,520
He is a tenacious run blocker at a wide receiver position, same like Robert Woods.

515
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,640
That's why he reminds me of him is like this.

516
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:05,140
He's got that dog mentality, super competitive, probably going to be around in the fourth,

517
00:31:05,140 --> 00:31:08,220
you know, probably not inside the top 200 players.

518
00:31:08,220 --> 00:31:12,440
But one of those players that might end up surprising people and showing up in the bottom

519
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,240
of the second or the top of the third round.

520
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:19,880
But yeah, six to 200 pounds, got a little bit of size and strength, catches almost everything

521
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,840
thrown to him, has deceptive speed.

522
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,080
I'd say he's probably more of a long strider like Gabe Davis, where he's not the quick

523
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:32,040
choppy burner, but he will definitely get behind players if they're not careful.

524
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,040
Nice.

525
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,680
Very, very nice.

526
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:40,180
I've got a similar third or fourth round draft crush that I actually would be totally happy

527
00:31:40,180 --> 00:31:44,400
if the Bills walked away with him as a wide receiver option.

528
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,120
And that's A.T. Perry out of Wake Forest.

529
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:52,520
So he is 6'3 and a half on the heavier side.

530
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,160
So he's one of the bigger wide receivers in this group.

531
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,760
He's pushing 200 pounds.

532
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,200
He's 198.

533
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,040
According to the combine, he ran a 4'4 40, which is pretty decent speed for a guy his

534
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,800
size that's that's faster than Gabe Davis ran.

535
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:13,280
He is a smooth route runner for a big guy, played his majority of his time on the outside

536
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,640
at Wake Forest and again, can catch the ball.

537
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,960
I'm looking for guys that are fast and don't drop the ball.

538
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:25,800
I spent a lot of time between A.T. Perry and Trey Palmer is my like third fourth round

539
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:26,960
draft crush.

540
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,720
Trey Palmer out of Nebraska, 6'1 92 ran a 4'3 40.

541
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,760
18 drops this season immediately took him off the board because he's a body catcher.

542
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:36,760
Right.

543
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,040
He waits for the ball to basically attack him before he decides to wrap it up.

544
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,040
So that's what put Perry over for me.

545
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,440
And I also think there's like every season there's going to be an opportunity for some

546
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,680
undrafted guys to potentially make some hay.

547
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,040
One of those guys that I've got targeted is Braden Johnson.

548
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,240
So he's on the smaller side.

549
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:04,160
He's 5'11 ish 195 ran a 4'3 at Oklahoma State and had a pretty good catch success rate and

550
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:09,420
surprisingly for someone his size, a contested catch rate as well, which is something that

551
00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:13,480
is shocking for a guy that fast that he's not getting that kind of separation or the

552
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,240
separation you would expect.

553
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,900
So his speed doesn't often translate into his routes, something to keep in mind.

554
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:21,440
And that's why he might go and drafted.

555
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,120
But yeah, no, I love it.

556
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,080
I think there's some interesting options at wide receiver.

557
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,720
It's a it's a lot of guys that do the same thing.

558
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,920
Like I've heard a lot of Bills fans talk about Tank Dell, Tank Dell out of Houston projected

559
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,720
third maybe fourth round pick pretty fast for 440.

560
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,280
But he's like 5'8 165.

561
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:46,800
But there's a lot of those tiny itty bitty like slot guys, those gadgety guys in here.

562
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:53,360
I would prefer the Bills go go for someone who is either an exceptional route runner

563
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,520
or a pure burner with good hands.

564
00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:01,120
And to me, that's someone like JSN like we talked about another guy to keep an eye on.

565
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,240
He could find his way into the first round, though I'd be surprised.

566
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,680
Tyler Scott out of Cincinnati.

567
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:15,000
I so so I'm going to disclose I drafted this guy in Madden and I am absolutely owning owning

568
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,720
my Madden franchise with this guy as my fourth wide receiver option.

569
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:24,500
But in the real world, he's about 510 again on the lighter side 180.

570
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:33,000
But he ran us 434 at the combine super fast, really sure handed needs to develop his route

571
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,540
tree a little bit.

572
00:34:34,540 --> 00:34:39,320
But again, if you're just talking about adding pure speed to the lineup, someone like Tyler

573
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,760
Scott is going to be available in the second or third round for you as well.

574
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:48,440
So I'd like to see a premium pick on JSN, Jalen Hyatt, or Jordan Addison.

575
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:53,360
But if those three guys are unattainable, I think the options we talked about are more

576
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,800
than good for where the bills are at right now.

577
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:01,400
Well, I've got one more for you like probably a third or fourth Cedric Tillman, Tennessee.

578
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,400
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

579
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,680
It's running me.

580
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:05,680
Yeah.

581
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,080
One of those one of those players who sort of, you know, was overshadowed by, you know,

582
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:16,960
Jalen Hyatt on the same receiving core, but had a decent combine is not going to like

583
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,240
light the world on fire with his speed.

584
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:20,240
But he's 63215.

585
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,880
He's one of those big body receivers.

586
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,080
Yeah, really, he plays.

587
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:31,480
He plays more like a finesse player than somebody with his size and strength with you to indicate

588
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,920
he really catches kind of in insane body positions.

589
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,800
He's got a lot of, you know, coordination that you wouldn't expect of somebody that

590
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,640
tall and lanky and that sort of thing.

591
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,600
And so, you know, Cedric Tillman is somebody that I also look for if they don't hit on

592
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,040
someone in the first round or two, maybe somebody who they could take a flyer on in the third

593
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:55,400
or top of the fourth as a good, you know, good option, especially to give to round out

594
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,120
this receiving core, because I think that's something that's sort of the reason that Pukunakua

595
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:06,160
is, you know, not just he's got a badass name, but also that he's appealing to me is he's

596
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,000
sort of that utility player, right?

597
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,000
Somebody you see who does all the good stuff is probably going to be an excellent special

598
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,820
teamer as a third or fourth wide receiver.

599
00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:19,760
If they're not crushing something with the second or first round pick on someone who's

600
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,120
a definite, you know, WR2.

601
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,640
So that's somebody I would also see is that utility player who you know is going to give

602
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:33,600
it their all on blocking downs, on running downs, but also can surprise you with their

603
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,480
catching and their speed and separation.

604
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:36,480
Agreed.

605
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,480
All right.

606
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,560
So to summarize, this is where we're at.

607
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:44,160
Round one, we would feel good about pick 27 going to any one of these guys.

608
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:52,760
JSN, Jackson Smith and Jigba, Jordan Addison, you like Zay Flowers, I like Jalen Hyatt.

609
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,660
And those for us are collective first round wide receivers.

610
00:36:56,660 --> 00:37:02,400
There is also on your end, Puka Nakua, I like A.T. Perry, right?

611
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:09,400
Honorable mention to Cedric Tillman and then my undrafted guy, potentially Brayden Johnson.

612
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,400
Feel good there?

613
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,400
I feel good.

614
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:18,360
I would add Rashid Rice from SMU in the second as a, you know, again, my, see, my, I might

615
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,440
be, you know, a homer and that's, that's, I own this.

616
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,280
I'm always looking for a size guy for the bills to draft because I think that's a component

617
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,880
of their wide receiving core.

618
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,360
They do not have as somebody that can go up for the contested ball in the end zone or

619
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:40,240
the corner or get that first down just over the top of somebody.

620
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:45,380
Sort of like the bills were subject to on their defense with a couple of nasty grabs

621
00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:47,720
to extend drives against Minnesota, for instance.

622
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:48,720
Yep.

623
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:49,720
Yeah, absolutely.

624
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:51,280
I think there will be options here.

625
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,280
Yeah.

626
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,800
I think that's the pick for Bill's mafia.

627
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,760
This is where they just want to see a number one pick go because it'll be validation that

628
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,440
everyone cares about Josh.

629
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:05,920
But if they're not going to use a premium pick a first round pick on a wide receiver,

630
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,720
there's dudes that are going to be available later in the draft that I think would fit

631
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,320
the scheme very, very well.

632
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,320
All right.

633
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,320
Where do you want to head to next?

634
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:17,120
We were going to end with, we were going to end with offensive line.

635
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,760
So let's, let's go to defensive line because I think that we both agree, even though it's

636
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,600
not the sexiest of picks, that building from the trenches is always critical.

637
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:32,000
And there's nobody on the defensive interior on the books after this year, with the exception

638
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:38,200
of, is it, there's one player maybe of the defensive interior?

639
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,200
I don't think so.

640
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,200
I think that's it.

641
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,200
Okay.

642
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,200
Yeah.

643
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,200
Oh, no.

644
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,840
They re they resigned, um, settle Tim settle to a restricted contract that he raised his

645
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:47,840
pay.

646
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,360
So, yeah, I think it's just one year.

647
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,520
So that's, they desperately need to refill that position.

648
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:57,000
I think they're, they're trying to work on something with that Oliver, but they're pretty

649
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,240
tight to the cap.

650
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:04,140
If they drafted D if they drafted defensive tackle here, the size of that large human

651
00:39:04,140 --> 00:39:07,560
they draft will tell you where they feel like they're at with Oliver.

652
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:13,240
Because if they draft another six, five sub 300 three tech, that tells you they don't

653
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,280
think they're going to have Oliver beyond this season.

654
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:23,760
If they draft meet six, five, six, six, three 30, three 23, if they go for a one tech in

655
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,240
the form of star LaTula lay who they've been trying to replace for years now, then that

656
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:30,840
tells you they feel pretty good about resigning Oliver.

657
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:36,080
So JJ, why don't you walk me through what your, who would you feel good about the bill

658
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,920
spending a first round pick on a defensive tackle?

659
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,120
Oh my God.

660
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:48,600
Jalen Carter, Brian Brisey, the top, you know, top 15 players, of course, like I don't, I

661
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,640
don't love Brisey walk, walk me through this Brisey thing.

662
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,280
Cause I feel like he just, he can't do anything against the run, right?

663
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,040
Like I, I, or do I have that right?

664
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,040
Yeah.

665
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,040
He's not good at it.

666
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,040
I don't feel like he's good against the run.

667
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,640
I mean, he is, I will say he gets out of position with the run cause he's, he's a, his, of course

668
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,400
his strength is his pass rush.

669
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,400
Yeah.

670
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,080
And that's how I see him at trading three tech.

671
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,100
And so this is what I'll say about Brisey.

672
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:20,520
He plays similar to Ed Oliver is that he can blow up plays and make some amazing tackles

673
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,100
for loss sacks, things like that.

674
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:32,120
But that comes at the expense of he plays a little bit out of position at times and he

675
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:38,300
can get washed out in double team situations because he's tall and he's on sub 300.

676
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:43,180
And so, but I think that what people are crazy about, and the thing that I think is his redeeming

677
00:40:43,180 --> 00:40:50,320
quality is that he's more of an impact pass rusher from that position than a lot of three

678
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,360
techs that have come out on the defensive line in the past few drafts.

679
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:59,980
I think that he has more of a knack for moves and setting players up and hand fighting than

680
00:40:59,980 --> 00:41:02,300
you see from somebody coming out of college.

681
00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:09,240
And I think if he had more, he was injury shortened in the last season, I believe.

682
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:14,500
If he did not miss a lot of time, he'd probably be in a top 10 just because of that kind of

683
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:17,100
developing that skill set.

684
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:18,100
Yeah.

685
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:19,220
Yeah.

686
00:41:19,220 --> 00:41:25,100
So here's my thing, right, with Bricey.

687
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:30,500
If he is indeed your Ed Oliver replacement, fine, but he's not going to see the field

688
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:36,500
a whole lot, even with the way the Bills rotate that defensive line this particular season.

689
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:42,900
He doubles down on a strength you feel like you already have in Ed Oliver, and he doubles

690
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:47,380
down on a weakness, which is the ability for that defensive line to stop the run.

691
00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:52,540
Add to the fact we don't have Tremaine Edmonds doing all that low key uncredited work he

692
00:41:52,540 --> 00:41:57,460
did in shutting down the run at the second level last year, because who knows who you're

693
00:41:57,460 --> 00:42:01,060
going to have back there behind this defensive line next to Milano.

694
00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:04,980
And I actually think a guy like Bricey is more of a liability this season only.

695
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:06,380
He's a great talent.

696
00:42:06,380 --> 00:42:11,860
But this season only for where the Bills roster is at doesn't feel like the best pick unless

697
00:42:11,860 --> 00:42:14,780
he is your Ed Oliver replacement heading into next year.

698
00:42:14,780 --> 00:42:18,900
But then you still have the issue of you don't really have a true one tech to eat up double

699
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:21,100
teams and play next to the kid.

700
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:25,660
So you're going to have him replace Oliver, and you're going to set him up for failure

701
00:42:25,660 --> 00:42:28,700
in exactly the same way you set up Oliver right now.

702
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:30,940
You know, I have that solution for you, my friend.

703
00:42:30,940 --> 00:42:32,860
And all right, where where is that solution?

704
00:42:32,860 --> 00:42:34,540
His name is Maisie Smith.

705
00:42:34,540 --> 00:42:41,740
Oh, the Michigan kid, the Michigan senior out of Michigan, an absolute bowling ball, 63337

706
00:42:41,740 --> 00:42:46,980
defensive line, plays with his hair on fire, but is also a two time academic all big 10

707
00:42:46,980 --> 00:42:47,980
honoree.

708
00:42:47,980 --> 00:42:53,380
So I love that definitely has, you know, the smart he's he's the coach, you know, coaches

709
00:42:53,380 --> 00:42:59,140
love him. And so, you know, he's the defensive player of the year for Michigan, four time

710
00:42:59,140 --> 00:43:00,620
letter winner.

711
00:43:00,620 --> 00:43:06,420
So Maisie Smith, I believe the thing that he gives you is because he's never going to

712
00:43:06,420 --> 00:43:11,240
be the player that gets a sack by like doing some six spin move and, you know, finessing

713
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:12,240
his way past.

714
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:17,660
But he's a compression style rusher from the nose tech position, who just has excellent

715
00:43:17,660 --> 00:43:23,060
technique does not falter to double teams can occasionally split a double team and tends

716
00:43:23,060 --> 00:43:25,780
to be exactly where he needs to be against the run.

717
00:43:25,780 --> 00:43:26,780
Is that more your style?

718
00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:32,000
And he could be had in the second probably if he was gonna say Smith is probably an early

719
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,540
second round pick for some team that needs some some defensive line help.

720
00:43:36,540 --> 00:43:41,780
So that's a scenario where you're not technically using the pick on Smith, but you are then

721
00:43:41,780 --> 00:43:47,380
drafting back into the second round, accumulating multiple picks and going after a guy like

722
00:43:47,380 --> 00:43:48,380
that.

723
00:43:48,380 --> 00:43:55,380
So I'm with you, I will I will see your Maisie Smith, and I will raise you a siaki.

724
00:43:55,380 --> 00:43:58,740
Iku from Baylor University.

725
00:43:58,740 --> 00:44:03,660
All right, six three, 335.

726
00:44:03,660 --> 00:44:09,820
True one tech right doesn't have penetrating like Smith struggles with gap penetration,

727
00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:14,980
but would be an absolute wall at the front of the line to stop runs at the line of scrimmage

728
00:44:14,980 --> 00:44:20,900
doesn't have a lot of pass rush versatility, but this dude eats double teams for absolute

729
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:21,900
breakfast.

730
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:26,500
The problem is he plays a little bit high and would have to work on his technique.

731
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:31,980
But otherwise, I think this is just a big bodied individual that you give to Eric Washington

732
00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:34,820
and you say mold this kid into our new one tech.

733
00:44:34,820 --> 00:44:37,900
Well, I'll say something about him playing high too.

734
00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:43,460
And that is that it certainly can be a liability if he's trying to shut down the run because

735
00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:45,380
low low man wins in that game.

736
00:44:45,380 --> 00:44:46,380
Yep.

737
00:44:46,380 --> 00:44:51,500
However, all the time, I've watched a couple of his like full game tapes and that dude's

738
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:58,380
siaki he bats down passes like this job grabs those things like hamburgers.

739
00:44:58,380 --> 00:45:00,980
That's that's the thing I think is insane wingspan.

740
00:45:00,980 --> 00:45:01,980
Yeah, that's the thing.

741
00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:05,300
I think is the benefit is I think he's playing high because he's looking for those opportunities

742
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:09,660
to disrupt the passing lane because he knows he's not a penetration style, you know, pass

743
00:45:09,660 --> 00:45:10,660
rusher.

744
00:45:10,660 --> 00:45:11,660
He's not going to get there.

745
00:45:11,660 --> 00:45:15,220
He's not going to affect the play in the way he can, which is holding his point of attack

746
00:45:15,220 --> 00:45:16,220
and getting those hands up.

747
00:45:16,220 --> 00:45:20,500
But yeah, that tends to get him he can get blown out of the hole if they run straight

748
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:23,260
at him and he's playing that way.

749
00:45:23,260 --> 00:45:24,260
Yep.

750
00:45:24,260 --> 00:45:27,700
And we've already got and you can tell by listening to this, we don't think there's

751
00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:32,620
a ton of DT is that the bill should spend a number one pick on.

752
00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:36,020
Jalen Carter, who we kind of glossed over.

753
00:45:36,020 --> 00:45:38,860
That's going to have to be a trade up into the top 10.

754
00:45:38,860 --> 00:45:45,460
That's like Ed, that's like Ed Oliver and our 27 going to Chicago for and depending

755
00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:49,420
on the number of quarterbacks that go, he might he might be at seven or eight.

756
00:45:49,420 --> 00:45:54,180
Yeah, there's not a lot of top tier defensive line talent in this draft.

757
00:45:54,180 --> 00:45:57,640
Yeah, there's probably three guys in the top 15.

758
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,740
And so that means that the ones who are valued that high are going to go higher than they

759
00:46:01,740 --> 00:46:02,740
usually would.

760
00:46:02,740 --> 00:46:05,260
Yeah, you and you and I both like Bricey.

761
00:46:05,260 --> 00:46:09,420
I think I'm leery of doubling down on weakness for the team.

762
00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:15,640
The other guy who I think doesn't have a first round grade on him and a lot of draft outfits,

763
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,980
but could make a lot of sense at 27 if the bills go that route.

764
00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:22,220
Kalaja Kianci out of Pittsburgh.

765
00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:24,840
Again, pure three tech.

766
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,320
He's a little bit lighter than even Bricey is.

767
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,980
He's about six one ish to 85 ish.

768
00:46:31,980 --> 00:46:35,540
Had great measureables, a pretty solid workout at the combine.

769
00:46:35,540 --> 00:46:42,420
And he is one of those gap penetrator guys that really uses leverage despite his undersized

770
00:46:42,420 --> 00:46:47,800
uses leverage well against bigger interior offensive linemen to get quick penetration.

771
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,060
He uses a speed.

772
00:46:49,060 --> 00:46:55,300
He uses a center of gravity really, really well and could again be a good at Oliver replacement

773
00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:58,240
moving forward in the future.

774
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:03,980
He's also a viable option if the bills trade Oliver for a couple of more day two picks,

775
00:47:03,980 --> 00:47:08,660
then you could see them having accumulated ladder draft capital by trading a player and

776
00:47:08,660 --> 00:47:11,020
not trading other draft assets.

777
00:47:11,020 --> 00:47:14,940
I could see them taking Kianci in the first round or Bricey in the first round to replace

778
00:47:14,940 --> 00:47:16,420
Oliver outright.

779
00:47:16,420 --> 00:47:18,300
Bill's fans being pissed about it.

780
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:23,520
But then in the second round, using multiple picks to get guys like Josh Downs, the wider

781
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:30,260
sea of right in North Carolina, Dalton Kincaid, the tight all of a sudden, all of a sudden,

782
00:47:30,260 --> 00:47:35,700
they can then turn at Oliver into a better at Oliver and more pass catchers for Josh.

783
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:36,700
Right.

784
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:38,460
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna scoff at that.

785
00:47:38,460 --> 00:47:40,260
I think Ed has done some nice things.

786
00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:44,060
But for me, it's just the inconsistency of a player who sort of disappears.

787
00:47:44,060 --> 00:47:45,060
Yeah.

788
00:47:45,060 --> 00:47:46,620
And that's that's really worrying.

789
00:47:46,620 --> 00:47:51,180
Yeah, I don't want to give a huge bag of money to somebody who I can't count on to be a game

790
00:47:51,180 --> 00:47:54,380
changer all but you know, four games a year.

791
00:47:54,380 --> 00:47:57,020
Like that's just not enough for me.

792
00:47:57,020 --> 00:47:58,020
So Bill, go ahead.

793
00:47:58,020 --> 00:47:59,020
You got one more.

794
00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:00,420
Oh, I don't have any any more top tier.

795
00:48:00,420 --> 00:48:03,540
Do you want to talk about some like maybe late round steel type guys?

796
00:48:03,540 --> 00:48:07,820
Yeah, I mean, again, I like I really like Ica out of Baylor.

797
00:48:07,820 --> 00:48:10,140
I think Ica is a project.

798
00:48:10,140 --> 00:48:14,260
But if you're looking for that one tech who's just going to be in the middle of that defensive

799
00:48:14,260 --> 00:48:18,820
line and gives you a little bit of three down lineman versatility as well.

800
00:48:18,820 --> 00:48:21,420
Like we've talked about Lou Amore, Amoreau.

801
00:48:21,420 --> 00:48:23,180
Am I saying his name right?

802
00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:24,420
And Arumo and Arumo.

803
00:48:24,420 --> 00:48:28,620
I was going to say Lou Amorela when I'm like, that's not his name.

804
00:48:28,620 --> 00:48:33,340
But defensive coordinator at Cincinnati, his ability to be multiple, which I think

805
00:48:33,340 --> 00:48:35,900
you really need to be in your defensive schemes.

806
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:40,820
I don't think as a defensive coordinator with how multiple so many offenses are, you can

807
00:48:40,820 --> 00:48:44,320
afford to be singular and defense.

808
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,500
He even though they play a traditional four three in Cincinnati, he's happy to drop eight

809
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:55,900
and only rush three, you get a guy like Ica or you get a guy like Smith anchoring the

810
00:48:55,900 --> 00:49:00,660
middle of that three man rush, eating up some double teams, all of a sudden, you can go

811
00:49:00,660 --> 00:49:03,060
multiple on your defensive front.

812
00:49:03,060 --> 00:49:08,620
And then you can really deploy guys like Terrell Bernard, who maybe isn't the best fit to be

813
00:49:08,620 --> 00:49:13,980
a full time starter, but can come in situationally surprise you around the edge.

814
00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:18,660
You get a guy like that at your one tech, and it makes everybody else more versatile

815
00:49:18,660 --> 00:49:21,060
around you to make sure defense multiple.

816
00:49:21,060 --> 00:49:26,100
So yeah, as we go later rounds, you're gonna see here, I'm just looking at big fat guys.

817
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:27,100
That's what I'm looking at.

818
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:30,820
Well, I got one for you, actually, give it to me.

819
00:49:30,820 --> 00:49:31,820
Give me the beef.

820
00:49:31,820 --> 00:49:32,820
Where are we at?

821
00:49:32,820 --> 00:49:36,860
If you are looking for a player, let me like I'm going to sales pitch this guy to you,

822
00:49:36,860 --> 00:49:41,580
Dan, if you're looking for a player in the fifth round or later, that is like a cement

823
00:49:41,580 --> 00:49:44,900
truck that you can park in the middle of your defense and forget about.

824
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:47,780
May I point you towards Jared Clark?

825
00:49:47,780 --> 00:49:48,780
Number 15.

826
00:49:48,780 --> 00:49:51,340
I had Carolina share shanty clears.

827
00:49:51,340 --> 00:49:58,500
I had him on my list to he is from Dorchester, Mass, Massachusetts, which from the northeast,

828
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:02,620
not not a stranger to snow, even though we went to school in the Carolinas.

829
00:50:02,620 --> 00:50:05,820
He is six foot four 340 pounds.

830
00:50:05,820 --> 00:50:06,820
Yes.

831
00:50:06,820 --> 00:50:13,300
He is surprisingly agile for a manifest size, but still not the kind of penetrator you expect

832
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:16,100
to get any real pass rush production from.

833
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:19,520
He is an academic kind of all team.

834
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,700
So again, I think that's something that Brandon Bean, they talk a lot about process guys and

835
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:28,240
trust the process and their kind of DNA.

836
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:33,260
And so they tend to pick players who, you know, he was voted a team captain in his senior

837
00:50:33,260 --> 00:50:34,460
year this past year.

838
00:50:34,460 --> 00:50:40,740
He was on the all Sun Belt third team, you know, and he made multiple recommendations

839
00:50:40,740 --> 00:50:42,140
to the shrine bowl.

840
00:50:42,140 --> 00:50:43,220
He did a lot of different things.

841
00:50:43,220 --> 00:50:48,640
And the thing from watching him play is really just sort of strong awareness.

842
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:54,380
He erases that that note, the nose gaps that he's responsible for.

843
00:50:54,380 --> 00:51:00,600
He erases both sides of the center and can shade even both guards in terms of locking

844
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,220
up the middle of absolutely.

845
00:51:02,220 --> 00:51:06,300
I watched him play Sunbelt fun belt, right?

846
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:11,740
J.M.U. my alma mater played his played Coastal Carolina this year in their inaugural year

847
00:51:11,740 --> 00:51:14,220
in the Sunbelt Conference.

848
00:51:14,220 --> 00:51:19,260
So I watched a little bit of Mr. Clark in person and ESPN plus no, I love where your

849
00:51:19,260 --> 00:51:20,300
heads at with that.

850
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:21,780
And again, I will.

851
00:51:21,780 --> 00:51:23,180
I had him on my list.

852
00:51:23,180 --> 00:51:29,420
I also had and this is a potential undrafted free agent or undrafted free agent potentially

853
00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:30,820
seventh round pick.

854
00:51:30,820 --> 00:51:38,060
I also had in the in the spirit of Mr. Clark, one Broderick Martin out of Western Kentucky.

855
00:51:38,060 --> 00:51:40,740
Did you have this guy to file up on my computer?

856
00:51:40,740 --> 00:51:41,740
Yep.

857
00:51:41,740 --> 00:51:42,740
Yep.

858
00:51:42,740 --> 00:51:43,740
Yep.

859
00:51:43,740 --> 00:51:44,740
Yep.

860
00:51:44,740 --> 00:51:45,740
Yep.

861
00:51:45,740 --> 00:51:46,740
See, this is why we pod.

862
00:51:46,740 --> 00:51:47,740
Right.

863
00:51:47,740 --> 00:51:48,740
So Martin, six, five ish, right.

864
00:51:48,740 --> 00:51:49,740
330 pounds.

865
00:51:49,740 --> 00:51:51,940
This is what I love most about this dude.

866
00:51:51,940 --> 00:51:58,980
Thirty five inch arms, the biggest arm, longest arms in the draft for any defensive tackle

867
00:51:58,980 --> 00:52:02,860
and the largest wingspan at over a three.

868
00:52:02,860 --> 00:52:03,860
That's crazy.

869
00:52:03,860 --> 00:52:04,860
83 inches.

870
00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:05,860
Crazy.

871
00:52:05,860 --> 00:52:09,340
That is something.

872
00:52:09,340 --> 00:52:13,540
You could hug a small snowplow comfortably.

873
00:52:13,540 --> 00:52:16,080
Like that.

874
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,080
It's insane.

875
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,080
It's insane.

876
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,080
Right.

877
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,820
But as we as we talked about Smith just throwing his hands up in the air or Eka throwing his

878
00:52:22,820 --> 00:52:26,720
hands up in the air, this dude could do the same thing.

879
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:33,220
And there is value to both Clark and Martin is ladder round picks seventh round because

880
00:52:33,220 --> 00:52:39,460
because let's be real, the opportunity to use pick 27 on a prime defensive tackle, they

881
00:52:39,460 --> 00:52:42,620
need to invest draft capital here.

882
00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:46,620
And there are guys that we would be comfortable with them drafting in the first round.

883
00:52:46,620 --> 00:52:51,340
But the reality is, is that they're going to be pressed, I think, in other areas depending

884
00:52:51,340 --> 00:52:53,140
on how the board falls.

885
00:52:53,140 --> 00:52:58,460
So unless they're trading up into the top 10, probably top seven, as you mentioned for

886
00:52:58,460 --> 00:53:05,700
a Jalen Carter, it's hard for them for us, for me at least to see them taking another

887
00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:08,940
ad Oliver when and Oliver is still on the roster.

888
00:53:08,940 --> 00:53:14,100
So I definitely see the latter rounds, third round, fourth round in particular, and then

889
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:18,180
the undrafted for Asian market with them just getting Oliver if they're really going to

890
00:53:18,180 --> 00:53:25,220
be committed to him, a true one tech that can gobble up double teams, cover up for our

891
00:53:25,220 --> 00:53:29,060
inability to stop the run by just being a wall in the middle of the line.

892
00:53:29,060 --> 00:53:32,580
I see them focusing on guys like that in the latter rounds and in the undrafted for Asian

893
00:53:32,580 --> 00:53:33,580
pool.

894
00:53:33,580 --> 00:53:34,580
Yeah.

895
00:53:34,580 --> 00:53:35,580
Yeah.

896
00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:40,420
And I have one more mention and that's kind of around the area that's Yaki Eka is probably

897
00:53:40,420 --> 00:53:42,940
you know, sec top of the second round Keanu Benton.

898
00:53:42,940 --> 00:53:47,860
Oh, yeah, Wisconsin another a bit smaller than some of our other nose tackles.

899
00:53:47,860 --> 00:53:50,580
But in a proven conference that runs a lot.

900
00:53:50,580 --> 00:53:53,940
This is like the thing I heard Harrison Philip.

901
00:53:53,940 --> 00:53:56,820
Yeah, I would say Harrison Phillips comp right.

902
00:53:56,820 --> 00:53:58,500
That is like a smaller one tech.

903
00:53:58,500 --> 00:53:59,500
Yeah.

904
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:04,300
But yeah, no, I like this one tech who does his job right like he is dependable, reliable

905
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:10,260
and consistent at doing his job of holding the center point of attack and and will not

906
00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:15,420
you know, not give up ground if it has anything to do with his his tenacity right like he

907
00:54:15,420 --> 00:54:17,660
works hard through every rep.

908
00:54:17,660 --> 00:54:20,580
And attainable in the second or third round potentially.

909
00:54:20,580 --> 00:54:21,580
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

910
00:54:21,580 --> 00:54:22,940
No, I love that.

911
00:54:22,940 --> 00:54:23,940
I love that.

912
00:54:23,940 --> 00:54:24,940
All right.

913
00:54:24,940 --> 00:54:26,060
We talked about wide receiver.

914
00:54:26,060 --> 00:54:28,340
We talked about defensive tackle.

915
00:54:28,340 --> 00:54:30,820
What's the next area of need we want to move to?

916
00:54:30,820 --> 00:54:32,660
Well, there's only a couple more.

917
00:54:32,660 --> 00:54:38,820
Yeah, yeah, I think that we should why don't we just stay in the trenches and get our offensive

918
00:54:38,820 --> 00:54:42,380
line picks out of the way you're going to talk about some guards guards slash hunters

919
00:54:42,380 --> 00:54:44,180
and I'll give some tackles.

920
00:54:44,180 --> 00:54:45,380
All right, that sounds good to me.

921
00:54:45,380 --> 00:54:46,380
Let's start.

922
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:47,380
Let's start with tackles.

923
00:54:47,380 --> 00:54:50,620
I'm not I'm not opposed to this idea, right?

924
00:54:50,620 --> 00:54:53,700
I just again going back to the beginning of the pod.

925
00:54:53,700 --> 00:55:00,740
I think Bean is going to be way too stubborn to take the Dion Dawkins slash Spencer Brown

926
00:55:00,740 --> 00:55:07,420
competition that that he really should be quite frankly with how poorly the bills have

927
00:55:07,420 --> 00:55:11,100
protected Josh Allen over the past couple of years.

928
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:18,020
Dawkins job minus maybe Dawkins potentially Morse should be up for competition.

929
00:55:18,020 --> 00:55:24,520
So the fact that the bills are willing to potentially stand Pat at the edges to me is

930
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,020
absolutely insane.

931
00:55:26,020 --> 00:55:27,020
Right.

932
00:55:27,020 --> 00:55:32,980
But all that being said, I I don't think they're going to draft a single offensive line in

933
00:55:32,980 --> 00:55:36,740
the first three rounds because this is what Brandon Bean does to break our heart.

934
00:55:36,740 --> 00:55:38,700
But I am personally not against a tackle.

935
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:40,300
I just don't think they're going to do it.

936
00:55:40,300 --> 00:55:45,140
Well, they've had they've had top 30 visits with Broderick Jones from Georgia.

937
00:55:45,140 --> 00:55:50,420
Yes, probably the top the top 20 tackle six, five, three, eleven.

938
00:55:50,420 --> 00:55:54,300
A good way more nimble than he should be for his size.

939
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:58,700
Big dude as an outside threat protector.

940
00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:03,260
And then I believe they also had Darnell Wright from Tennessee, who you've you've mentioned

941
00:56:03,260 --> 00:56:04,260
as a target.

942
00:56:04,260 --> 00:56:05,260
I do too.

943
00:56:05,260 --> 00:56:06,260
I think I love right.

944
00:56:06,260 --> 00:56:11,160
He's six, five, three, thirty three, huge body, but still one of those guys was more

945
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:15,260
agile and expect them to be at that size as an outside protector.

946
00:56:15,260 --> 00:56:18,600
So both of them project as tackles.

947
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:23,660
But I would say they're not too tall to slide inside and have some versatility if they need

948
00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:24,660
to.

949
00:56:24,660 --> 00:56:27,360
Both of them agree to play multiple positions on a line.

950
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,800
If not at guard, then they've played both sides of the tackle position.

951
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:35,340
So they have a little bit more flexibility, versatility, which we know the bill select

952
00:56:35,340 --> 00:56:36,340
for.

953
00:56:36,340 --> 00:56:40,820
Yes, they very rarely will pick a specialist who's only been left guard throughout his

954
00:56:40,820 --> 00:56:43,060
entire career on the line.

955
00:56:43,060 --> 00:56:44,060
Correct.

956
00:56:44,060 --> 00:56:45,060
Yeah.

957
00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:49,460
So those two are probably the top round targets I could think of.

958
00:56:49,460 --> 00:56:53,180
And then possibly Matthew Bergeron out of Syracuse.

959
00:56:53,180 --> 00:56:59,820
But he he might be a first round target because of scarcity, because there aren't a lot of

960
00:56:59,820 --> 00:57:04,140
tackles that are considered NFL ready to start.

961
00:57:04,140 --> 00:57:07,340
And so it's possible he sneaks up into the first round.

962
00:57:07,340 --> 00:57:15,220
But he's 6'5", 3'18", as close as you can get to the bills without drafting a UB prospect

963
00:57:15,220 --> 00:57:16,660
and could be a target.

964
00:57:16,660 --> 00:57:19,900
So those are the tackles I could see in the first round.

965
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:24,620
I would not take, I don't think I'd take a single other player in the entire draft pool

966
00:57:24,620 --> 00:57:32,220
at specifically tackle that any higher or any more than these three.

967
00:57:32,220 --> 00:57:36,540
Yeah, I agree with you, right?

968
00:57:36,540 --> 00:57:42,260
I think the only one I think Bergeron I agree I think he I think someone is going to draft

969
00:57:42,260 --> 00:57:46,420
him in the top 25 that needs an offensive lineman.

970
00:57:46,420 --> 00:57:50,380
Because I think he's shown shown enough pop at Syracuse where I think he would justify

971
00:57:50,380 --> 00:57:52,340
a late first round tag.

972
00:57:52,340 --> 00:57:55,500
You know, another guy that's interesting to me outside of the guys you mentioned that

973
00:57:55,500 --> 00:58:00,380
I, I could, again, he's mocked in a lot of second rounds, but I could see the bills at

974
00:58:00,380 --> 00:58:05,220
27 being like, whatever we're, you know, if we have a first run great, I don't know, so

975
00:58:05,220 --> 00:58:08,820
be it is to Juan Jones out of Ohio State.

976
00:58:08,820 --> 00:58:09,820
68374.

977
00:58:09,820 --> 00:58:12,100
I know, I know.

978
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:14,220
He put listen, dude, he I get it.

979
00:58:14,220 --> 00:58:16,460
He plays tall, right?

980
00:58:16,460 --> 00:58:21,360
He gives up his leverage on more plays than he should.

981
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,300
And we already have that with Spencer Brown on the right side.

982
00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:25,420
I get that, right?

983
00:58:25,420 --> 00:58:32,860
So Jones to some extent, I get is like PTSD for people who are like over Spencer Brown.

984
00:58:32,860 --> 00:58:37,580
But when you look at the raw athleticism, the size of the frame, and the surprising

985
00:58:37,580 --> 00:58:44,340
speed at which he plays, if you can fix his leverage issues, you're talking about a lockdown

986
00:58:44,340 --> 00:58:47,980
left tackle that you're getting for a day.

987
00:58:47,980 --> 00:58:52,020
And this is why I say first round, because you're going to want that 50 year option on

988
00:58:52,020 --> 00:58:56,220
a guy like Jones to see what you see with with regard to his development.

989
00:58:56,220 --> 00:59:02,860
I could see the I could see an argument to where Dwan Jones sneaks up into that discussion

990
00:59:02,860 --> 00:59:03,860
in the first round.

991
00:59:03,860 --> 00:59:06,380
Otherwise, I totally agree with everything that you've said.

992
00:59:06,380 --> 00:59:07,380
Yeah.

993
00:59:07,380 --> 00:59:10,180
And that's to say, I will say if anyone's listening and paying attention to draft, I'm

994
00:59:10,180 --> 00:59:14,460
not even talking about Paris Johnson Jr. out of Ohio State or unattainable Ronsky.

995
00:59:14,460 --> 00:59:15,940
Yeah, they're top 10 picks.

996
00:59:15,940 --> 00:59:19,740
They're probably top, you know, at least one of them is going to go to the top five, maybe,

997
00:59:19,740 --> 00:59:23,140
because it's hard to find really reliable, excellent offensive linemen.

998
00:59:23,140 --> 00:59:27,100
I think they both categorize as excellent offensive linemen.

999
00:59:27,100 --> 00:59:28,100
I agree.

1000
00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:31,740
I'm seeing Skoronsky more and more, though, and a lot of draft guides.

1001
00:59:31,740 --> 00:59:33,860
He's not being mocked as a tackle.

1002
00:59:33,860 --> 00:59:35,140
He's being mocked as a guard.

1003
00:59:35,140 --> 00:59:37,220
So I've got him on my guard list.

1004
00:59:37,220 --> 00:59:38,220
But I agree.

1005
00:59:38,220 --> 00:59:39,220
I think he's unattainable.

1006
00:59:39,220 --> 00:59:42,740
It's weird to say that six four is short for a tackle.

1007
00:59:42,740 --> 00:59:43,860
It's the arm thing.

1008
00:59:43,860 --> 00:59:47,420
Teams are freaking themselves out about the arm length because he's got, I think, the

1009
00:59:47,420 --> 00:59:52,980
shortest arms that would ever exist on a human being who played NFL tackle.

1010
00:59:52,980 --> 00:59:54,580
Like I think that's what it is.

1011
00:59:54,580 --> 00:59:56,140
But people are like at guard.

1012
00:59:56,140 --> 00:59:57,780
You're looking at the next Quentin Nelson.

1013
00:59:57,780 --> 00:59:58,780
So yeah.

1014
00:59:58,780 --> 01:00:01,740
So yeah, no, I agree with you.

1015
01:00:01,740 --> 01:00:03,980
I really like Bergeron.

1016
01:00:03,980 --> 01:00:06,140
I like the upstate New York connection.

1017
01:00:06,140 --> 01:00:07,460
But I like the measurables too.

1018
01:00:07,460 --> 01:00:08,460
Right.

1019
01:00:08,460 --> 01:00:09,960
I think he's the ideal frame.

1020
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:15,920
He's the ideal size, the right amount of athleticism that the Bills look for.

1021
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:21,220
But honestly, I look I would be happy with him or Darnell Wright.

1022
01:00:21,220 --> 01:00:24,960
I love the fact that Wright has played inside at guard.

1023
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,020
You could see a world where you start him there and then eventually you kick him out

1024
01:00:29,020 --> 01:00:32,480
to replace Dawkins or Brown, whichever one falls off first.

1025
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:39,580
So Wright to me has short term impact now with long term flexibility down the line.

1026
01:00:39,580 --> 01:00:43,180
He's my favorite pick just because of that.

1027
01:00:43,180 --> 01:00:45,460
Not anything else out of this group.

1028
01:00:45,460 --> 01:00:46,460
Sure.

1029
01:00:46,460 --> 01:00:48,180
And I really like DeJuan Jones' size.

1030
01:00:48,180 --> 01:00:49,180
Yeah.

1031
01:00:49,180 --> 01:00:50,700
I mean, he's massive.

1032
01:00:50,700 --> 01:00:54,820
I think that the problem I see with DeJuan Jones is just like the projection.

1033
01:00:54,820 --> 01:00:55,820
Right.

1034
01:00:55,820 --> 01:01:00,820
He's so raw at that size and they've already got a project tackle in Spencer Brown.

1035
01:01:00,820 --> 01:01:05,860
He just moved there from playing seven on seven tight end for most of his football life.

1036
01:01:05,860 --> 01:01:11,660
And so it's really tough to see DeJuan Jones coming in and being productive as a starter

1037
01:01:11,660 --> 01:01:15,740
while they're in this window of challenging for a championship.

1038
01:01:15,740 --> 01:01:22,300
A third, third ish round, maybe late second, early third tackle prospect would be Jalen

1039
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:24,580
Duncan out of Maryland Terps.

1040
01:01:24,580 --> 01:01:26,500
I have this guy on my list.

1041
01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:32,140
And so it's one of those he less of a project but less of a ceiling probably.

1042
01:01:32,140 --> 01:01:37,580
And so that's a player that's he's to give the measurable six six three twenty would

1043
01:01:37,580 --> 01:01:45,140
be departing a little bit from their normal practice of just getting guys with the really

1044
01:01:45,140 --> 01:01:51,300
premier RS or relative athletic score and that he doesn't have that kind of more elite

1045
01:01:51,300 --> 01:01:58,340
speed and athleticism but is a solid starter, has kind of played again, played left tackle

1046
01:01:58,340 --> 01:02:00,260
for a competitive team.

1047
01:02:00,260 --> 01:02:05,060
And so I think that's a that's a possibility in those kind of, you know, top three ish

1048
01:02:05,060 --> 01:02:10,900
rounds and going further deeper into the draft.

1049
01:02:10,900 --> 01:02:13,380
It gets really it's like we talked about when we opened.

1050
01:02:13,380 --> 01:02:14,380
It's not deep.

1051
01:02:14,380 --> 01:02:18,020
It's not really weird in the middle where you're like these guys could be out of the

1052
01:02:18,020 --> 01:02:21,580
league in two years or they could be 10 year starters.

1053
01:02:21,580 --> 01:02:22,580
Yeah.

1054
01:02:22,580 --> 01:02:25,500
I think Tyler Steen out of Alabama is a player that.

1055
01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:27,180
Oh, I had him on my list, too.

1056
01:02:27,180 --> 01:02:28,980
Oh, man, you got to save some for me.

1057
01:02:28,980 --> 01:02:29,980
No.

1058
01:02:29,980 --> 01:02:30,980
Yeah.

1059
01:02:30,980 --> 01:02:31,980
Breakdown Steen.

1060
01:02:31,980 --> 01:02:32,980
Yeah.

1061
01:02:32,980 --> 01:02:40,740
He's been mid year or I'm sorry, started in Alabama, finished in Vanderbilt, been kind

1062
01:02:40,740 --> 01:02:45,620
of a mid tier starter.

1063
01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:56,100
And he, you know, was all SEC fourth team preseason, had lost some games to injuries.

1064
01:02:56,100 --> 01:03:02,380
But you know, way more developed pass protector than he has a run walker at this time in his

1065
01:03:02,380 --> 01:03:03,380
development.

1066
01:03:03,380 --> 01:03:08,620
But really, you know, somebody that I think is interesting for the for the bills.

1067
01:03:08,620 --> 01:03:09,620
Yeah.

1068
01:03:09,620 --> 01:03:13,820
I'm going to add one more in here for like ladder round picks.

1069
01:03:13,820 --> 01:03:21,780
And this kid is a third, maybe fourth round based on most draft guides is Nick Salvadere

1070
01:03:21,780 --> 01:03:23,420
out of Old Dominion.

1071
01:03:23,420 --> 01:03:25,380
So six, six, three, 18.

1072
01:03:25,380 --> 01:03:26,380
Again.

1073
01:03:26,380 --> 01:03:30,940
Hey, man, I'm going I'm going all Sunbelt fun belt with my I just watched a lot of Sunbelt

1074
01:03:30,940 --> 01:03:33,380
football this year, because I'm a jam you guys.

1075
01:03:33,380 --> 01:03:36,940
So there you go.

1076
01:03:36,940 --> 01:03:44,000
Incredible physical frame like plays good, great leverage, exceptional footwork.

1077
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,980
The problem with him and why he's a project and projecting in the third and fourth round

1078
01:03:48,980 --> 01:03:53,460
is because his feet are really the only thing that work about his technique.

1079
01:03:53,460 --> 01:03:54,460
Right.

1080
01:03:54,460 --> 01:03:57,240
So he's not he's not really fluid in the hips.

1081
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:02,340
He doesn't mirror very well, and his hand fighting is very sporadic.

1082
01:04:02,340 --> 01:04:04,140
It's very punchy, right?

1083
01:04:04,140 --> 01:04:07,500
He needs a lot of work on his upper body technique.

1084
01:04:07,500 --> 01:04:13,780
But he comes in knows how to play with leverage, super agile, super fast at the point of attack,

1085
01:04:13,780 --> 01:04:17,660
just needs to lock down his hips a little bit or release his hips rather.

1086
01:04:17,660 --> 01:04:21,000
And he's got he's got to figure out his hand fighting because that's a really a weakness

1087
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,000
for him.

1088
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,000
Sure.

1089
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,000
All right.

1090
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,300
You want to talk about some guards who you got at the top?

1091
01:04:26,300 --> 01:04:29,060
Oh, my god, let's talk about guards.

1092
01:04:29,060 --> 01:04:36,620
So I listen, man, I, here's why I think the bills would be crazy not to go garden this

1093
01:04:36,620 --> 01:04:38,560
this particular draft.

1094
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:43,660
They hate specialists, as we have said, they don't want guys that are good at just one

1095
01:04:43,660 --> 01:04:49,460
thing like protecting Josh Allen, they want guys that are good at multiple things, right?

1096
01:04:49,460 --> 01:04:54,060
And I can appreciate that I really can.

1097
01:04:54,060 --> 01:04:57,500
But there comes a point where that versatility will kill you.

1098
01:04:57,500 --> 01:05:01,860
But it's not going to be in this year's draft bills mafia, because this interior offensive

1099
01:05:01,860 --> 01:05:09,900
line class again, well, not the best and not deep, lots of guys that have flexibility that

1100
01:05:09,900 --> 01:05:12,380
can play center and guard.

1101
01:05:12,380 --> 01:05:16,140
So you potentially get someone who can push baits or challenge McGovern.

1102
01:05:16,140 --> 01:05:17,140
I really don't care.

1103
01:05:17,140 --> 01:05:21,400
I want the the best possible interior guys protecting Allen that we can get.

1104
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:27,740
So you can get those guys while also anchoring potentially the future in securing your Mitch

1105
01:05:27,740 --> 01:05:31,180
more, your Mitch Morris replacement.

1106
01:05:31,180 --> 01:05:34,060
So here's a couple of guys I like we've already talked about.

1107
01:05:34,060 --> 01:05:41,060
Skoronsky, who I think is unattainable, he probably goes in the top, probably in the

1108
01:05:41,060 --> 01:05:42,580
top 10.

1109
01:05:42,580 --> 01:05:47,460
A lot of a lot of guys, a lot of guides have him mocked as a guard.

1110
01:05:47,460 --> 01:05:51,300
He's played tackle for a good chunk of his his college career.

1111
01:05:51,300 --> 01:05:58,660
He's 6'4", 3'13", incredibly physical and just immeasurably physical.

1112
01:05:58,660 --> 01:06:03,300
He's got he's got Tyrannosaurus Rex arms, though that's like he's got really short arms.

1113
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:06,580
And that's why people are are hesitant about him.

1114
01:06:06,580 --> 01:06:11,380
But unless the bills are going to trade up, and to be clear, if they trade up for him,

1115
01:06:11,380 --> 01:06:14,820
they're trading up for him because right now he would play guard for them.

1116
01:06:14,820 --> 01:06:19,740
And then maybe in the future switch to tackle it, they would have to give up way more draft

1117
01:06:19,740 --> 01:06:25,100
capital I think than any of us would be comfortable them giving up for an interior offensive lineman.

1118
01:06:25,100 --> 01:06:29,940
So then that brings you to Osiris Torrance, who depending on which draft guide you go

1119
01:06:29,940 --> 01:06:35,200
to, mocked as a first round, graded as a first round, mocked as a second round, it really

1120
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,300
does depend.

1121
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:43,020
So he's a senior out of the University of Florida, 6'5", 3'30", solid arm length plays

1122
01:06:43,020 --> 01:06:44,920
with a lot of physicality.

1123
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:50,580
This dude is an absolute monster in the run game, needs some protection, needs some some

1124
01:06:50,580 --> 01:06:55,140
work on his pass game protection, his pass blocking sets.

1125
01:06:55,140 --> 01:07:00,140
But if the bills are looking to unlock the run game, even just a little bit more, this

1126
01:07:00,140 --> 01:07:04,180
is a guy who you get and then you give them to Cromer and you're like, make him protect

1127
01:07:04,180 --> 01:07:06,520
Josh in one two.

1128
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,720
The guy do the guy like the most.

1129
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:09,720
So that's it.

1130
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,900
That's who I think the bills would be justified using a first round pick on.

1131
01:07:13,900 --> 01:07:19,380
The guy I like the most, quite frankly, out of this entire group is Steve Avila out of

1132
01:07:19,380 --> 01:07:20,380
TCU.

1133
01:07:20,380 --> 01:07:22,060
I love Steve Avila.

1134
01:07:22,060 --> 01:07:29,940
He's got center flexibility, he's played center for some of his career, 6'3", 6'4", 3'32",

1135
01:07:29,940 --> 01:07:35,780
again, plays with great leverage, great hip fluidity, needs a little bit of work on his

1136
01:07:35,780 --> 01:07:36,780
on his hand technique.

1137
01:07:36,780 --> 01:07:38,500
And that's about it, his hand fighting.

1138
01:07:38,500 --> 01:07:44,580
Otherwise, though, this is a guy who you would feel great anchoring next to Deion Dawkins

1139
01:07:44,580 --> 01:07:47,340
or potentially next to Spencer Brown.

1140
01:07:47,340 --> 01:07:50,800
And he's got the versatility to move inside and replace Mitch Morris.

1141
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:56,460
Those to me are the three guys I would feel good about the Buffalo Bills using a premium

1142
01:07:56,460 --> 01:08:02,940
pick on guys that you can find that there's not it gets weird man, like with the offensive

1143
01:08:02,940 --> 01:08:05,420
tackles in the latter rounds here.

1144
01:08:05,420 --> 01:08:11,420
There are not a lot of guys to me that pass muster for a later round pick.

1145
01:08:11,420 --> 01:08:17,340
So to me, you're either going to burn a premium pick on what has become a premium position

1146
01:08:17,340 --> 01:08:23,140
for you in interior offensive line, or you're gonna hope that you're going to hit on an

1147
01:08:23,140 --> 01:08:26,540
undrafted free agent like to Shawn Manning out of Kentucky.

1148
01:08:26,540 --> 01:08:33,180
He's 6'3", 3'27", needs work just about everywhere but is a great raw physical product.

1149
01:08:33,180 --> 01:08:34,640
You know what I mean?

1150
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:40,820
But here's why I would advocate for the Buffalo Bills considering using a top a top one of

1151
01:08:40,820 --> 01:08:47,020
their first three round picks on one of these guys that I mentioned.

1152
01:08:47,020 --> 01:08:50,240
You beat Josh Allen by attacking him up the middle.

1153
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:55,280
We saw what Cincinnati did to close off his running lanes.

1154
01:08:55,280 --> 01:09:00,140
When Josh gets skittish in the pocket and his protection breaks down, he's looking to

1155
01:09:00,140 --> 01:09:05,420
bolt and run, but he's not often looking to bolt and run around the edge.

1156
01:09:05,420 --> 01:09:06,780
He breaks up the middle.

1157
01:09:06,780 --> 01:09:08,820
Mahomes does the same thing, right?

1158
01:09:08,820 --> 01:09:14,540
Teams are really good at contain on Mahomes and Allen around the edges.

1159
01:09:14,540 --> 01:09:19,140
Where they make their hay in the run game is bolting right up the middle.

1160
01:09:19,140 --> 01:09:25,860
Cincinnati was using their defensive tackles to just manipulate the shit out of Allen and

1161
01:09:25,860 --> 01:09:27,500
our offensive guards.

1162
01:09:27,500 --> 01:09:34,020
So you would see they were literally manhandling our guards so much they would be able to move

1163
01:09:34,020 --> 01:09:38,060
our guys to feign like there was a hole for Allen and then immediately move our guys back

1164
01:09:38,060 --> 01:09:42,000
and close it off as pressure around the edge closed in.

1165
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:47,940
If you've got offensive guards that are that malleable in pass protection, you need to

1166
01:09:47,940 --> 01:09:50,120
start the hell over, right?

1167
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:54,300
So I'm just looking for big bodied guys who you can't do that to.

1168
01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:55,460
That's why I like Avila.

1169
01:09:55,460 --> 01:09:56,700
I really like Torrance.

1170
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:59,340
I think he can grow in his pass protection game.

1171
01:09:59,340 --> 01:10:02,860
And then I wouldn't mind them saying bring a guy to camp like to Sean Manning, who's

1172
01:10:02,860 --> 01:10:08,220
got the physical attributes that you need to be a man eater in the middle of that line.

1173
01:10:08,220 --> 01:10:10,140
You just got to teach him the ropes.

1174
01:10:10,140 --> 01:10:11,140
That's where I'm at.

1175
01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:12,140
Okay.

1176
01:10:12,140 --> 01:10:17,780
I've got a couple of mid to late round prospects that I think could be worth flyers.

1177
01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:21,020
Let me know if either of these names pop out to you at guard.

1178
01:10:21,020 --> 01:10:22,020
Antonio Mafi.

1179
01:10:22,020 --> 01:10:23,780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1180
01:10:23,780 --> 01:10:24,780
I looked at a lot of his stuff.

1181
01:10:24,780 --> 01:10:25,780
Yeah, yeah.

1182
01:10:25,780 --> 01:10:32,900
The kind of player who I think has a lot of work to do on pass protection, but I think

1183
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:34,020
has the capability for it.

1184
01:10:34,020 --> 01:10:37,500
I think it's more one of those questions of not, can he do it?

1185
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:41,380
It's that he wasn't asked to do it because UCLA was incredibly run heavy.

1186
01:10:41,380 --> 01:10:47,300
They had nine 200 yard rushing games and three 300 yard rushing games this season.

1187
01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:52,580
The offensive unit as a whole was the semifinals for the Joe Moore Award for the best offensive

1188
01:10:52,580 --> 01:10:56,980
line in the entire college football.

1189
01:10:56,980 --> 01:11:01,100
Antonio Mafi played, he's one of those specialist situations which we know the Bills aren't

1190
01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:07,820
crazy about, but played left guard kind of all the time and had one season as a full

1191
01:11:07,820 --> 01:11:13,780
time, or two seasons as full time starter.

1192
01:11:13,780 --> 01:11:16,900
He's an interesting prospect for me that has some upside.

1193
01:11:16,900 --> 01:11:22,980
And then the second player and maybe up there with Pukinakua as an all star from the name

1194
01:11:22,980 --> 01:11:26,180
category, Juice Scruggs out of Penn State.

1195
01:11:26,180 --> 01:11:27,180
Nice.

1196
01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:30,420
I am not familiar with Juice, with the Juice.

1197
01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:38,340
Juice Scruggs is a heavy riser in the draft community in terms of flying up draft boards

1198
01:11:38,340 --> 01:11:42,460
because of some of his measureables and different things like that.

1199
01:11:42,460 --> 01:11:45,740
And he is 6'3", 3'10", center.

1200
01:11:45,740 --> 01:11:49,940
He is the all big 10'13' by the coaches.

1201
01:11:49,940 --> 01:11:52,660
Honorable mention from the media.

1202
01:11:52,660 --> 01:11:54,100
He was voted a team captain.

1203
01:11:54,100 --> 01:12:00,140
And so again, it's one of those situations where he was a very strong pass protector

1204
01:12:00,140 --> 01:12:07,780
and helped a number of Penn State's very powerful offensive productions this season, both in

1205
01:12:07,780 --> 01:12:08,780
the pass and the run game.

1206
01:12:08,780 --> 01:12:14,220
It could be one of those developmental late round flyers on somebody that could come in

1207
01:12:14,220 --> 01:12:20,300
and spell Mitch Morse in the center of the line without being, he has a little bit more

1208
01:12:20,300 --> 01:12:21,900
athleticism than he has beef.

1209
01:12:21,900 --> 01:12:25,820
He's only 6'3", 3'01".

1210
01:12:25,820 --> 01:12:30,420
It's worth noting we didn't talk about straight up center prospects in this draft because

1211
01:12:30,420 --> 01:12:35,580
neither of us think that they'll spend a pick in the first three rounds on a straight up

1212
01:12:35,580 --> 01:12:36,580
center.

1213
01:12:36,580 --> 01:12:42,580
Maybe John Michael Schmitz out of Minnesota, I think.

1214
01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:46,460
He's the best center prospect in the draft and has mocked in a lot of second and even

1215
01:12:46,460 --> 01:12:47,460
third round.

1216
01:12:47,460 --> 01:12:48,460
Right?

1217
01:12:48,460 --> 01:12:50,940
I mean, that's just where this center class is.

1218
01:12:50,940 --> 01:12:56,220
That's why my preference is get someone with short term value now that can play a guard

1219
01:12:56,220 --> 01:12:58,580
and projects to center later in their career.

1220
01:12:58,580 --> 01:13:04,620
Well, and I think that with John Michael Schmitz, what's your, he, I mean, he blew up the senior

1221
01:13:04,620 --> 01:13:06,340
bowl, was really good at the combine.

1222
01:13:06,340 --> 01:13:16,220
I think that the thing that he pro, he proposes as a prospect is an athletic center only who

1223
01:13:16,220 --> 01:13:21,980
could get bodied a little bit because he's a little lean for his 6'3 frame and definitely

1224
01:13:21,980 --> 01:13:22,980
more athletic.

1225
01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:27,420
So you'd be kind of replacing Spencer Brown with, I keep saying Spencer Brown, but I mean

1226
01:13:27,420 --> 01:13:28,420
Mitch Morse.

1227
01:13:28,420 --> 01:13:35,100
You'd be replacing Mitch Morse with a Mitch Morse like clone who's someone who, his skill

1228
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:38,300
is technician and, and athleticism.

1229
01:13:38,300 --> 01:13:42,500
It's not being a, you know, a barrier at the center of your line.

1230
01:13:42,500 --> 01:13:43,500
Right?

1231
01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:44,500
Yeah, I agree.

1232
01:13:44,500 --> 01:13:45,500
I agree.

1233
01:13:45,500 --> 01:13:49,100
So JJ, we've covered what we think the primary positions of need the bill should address

1234
01:13:49,100 --> 01:13:57,420
are now we left out a very important one that every other bills podcast is talking about

1235
01:13:57,420 --> 01:14:03,180
and that's linebacker because we've got a big tray admin sized hole in the middle of

1236
01:14:03,180 --> 01:14:05,020
that defense.

1237
01:14:05,020 --> 01:14:09,980
And I'm fine if we want to talk about linebacker, but here is my stance on it.

1238
01:14:09,980 --> 01:14:15,500
We have talked very intentionally about who would we use a first round pick on at 27 or

1239
01:14:15,500 --> 01:14:19,220
how would we leverage that pick to trade up and get somebody.

1240
01:14:19,220 --> 01:14:28,660
I do not think there is anybody in this linebacker class that I would spend the 27 pick on other

1241
01:14:28,660 --> 01:14:32,980
guys I would use a second round pick on or a third round or fourth round.

1242
01:14:32,980 --> 01:14:34,140
Absolutely.

1243
01:14:34,140 --> 01:14:40,580
But I do not think there is enough linebacker talent in this draft to justify the use of

1244
01:14:40,580 --> 01:14:45,260
a premium asset in the first round on a Tremaine Edmonds replacement.

1245
01:14:45,260 --> 01:14:46,740
It's just not the class for it.

1246
01:14:46,740 --> 01:14:47,740
Right?

1247
01:14:47,740 --> 01:14:53,380
Well, and there's, there's only like four prospects in the entire draft at inside linebacker

1248
01:14:53,380 --> 01:15:01,100
middle linebacker as their position that are pretty much consensus top 100 players, 100

1249
01:15:01,100 --> 01:15:02,980
that's three rounds more than three rounds.

1250
01:15:02,980 --> 01:15:03,980
Right?

1251
01:15:03,980 --> 01:15:08,860
There are four in the top three rounds that are considered, you know, they fit there.

1252
01:15:08,860 --> 01:15:14,860
And of them, nobody, not a one is a consensus first round pick.

1253
01:15:14,860 --> 01:15:21,940
I think that Drew Sanders is probably top of the second round with Jack Campbell, the

1254
01:15:21,940 --> 01:15:24,300
darling of Bill's mafia just behind him.

1255
01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:31,340
I think that this is one of those situations where if Brandon Bean is sticking to his board

1256
01:15:31,340 --> 01:15:36,180
and I know that the draft draft media community, whatever you might want to call it is not

1257
01:15:36,180 --> 01:15:39,260
the NFL scouts because we see things that are surprising every year.

1258
01:15:39,260 --> 01:15:43,020
They could be six, there could be eight, they could be ranked much higher.

1259
01:15:43,020 --> 01:15:48,060
But what we're seeing, what we know, what we can have access to is telling us that there's

1260
01:15:48,060 --> 01:15:54,980
a really, really complete absence and scarcity of in inside linebackers in this draft in

1261
01:15:54,980 --> 01:15:56,460
the first three or four rounds.

1262
01:15:56,460 --> 01:16:00,160
And even then I think that just the quantity, it's not even about quality.

1263
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:05,340
There just aren't that many prospects throughout the top five rounds.

1264
01:16:05,340 --> 01:16:06,340
I agree.

1265
01:16:06,340 --> 01:16:14,180
I think you mentioned the best ones and those are second rounders, I think at best.

1266
01:16:14,180 --> 01:16:19,980
Jack Campbell, I think Jack, I'm not passing.

1267
01:16:19,980 --> 01:16:24,900
Like if Simpson and Sanders are off the board in the second round and Campbell is there,

1268
01:16:24,900 --> 01:16:27,500
I mean, he's an athletic specimen.

1269
01:16:27,500 --> 01:16:34,020
Like his RAS scores are very similar to Luke Keakley and we would love a Luke Keakley on

1270
01:16:34,020 --> 01:16:35,020
this team.

1271
01:16:35,020 --> 01:16:44,540
But just like 6'4", 6'5", 249, my thing with him is that he gets stuck on bigger blockers

1272
01:16:44,540 --> 01:16:49,820
and when you play, if the Bills are going to continue to play majority nickel, when

1273
01:16:49,820 --> 01:16:55,420
you're in that primary middle linebacker position, you are blocking much larger human beings

1274
01:16:55,420 --> 01:16:59,400
than you or you're getting blocked by much larger human beings than you that are these

1275
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:03,740
big offensive linemen that are attacking the second level in the run game.

1276
01:17:03,740 --> 01:17:08,020
And I just, I saw Campbell in too much of his film just get stuck on some of those bigger

1277
01:17:08,020 --> 01:17:09,020
guys.

1278
01:17:09,020 --> 01:17:15,580
So again, he's great in coverage, doubles down on something that's already a liability

1279
01:17:15,580 --> 01:17:17,780
for this defense.

1280
01:17:17,780 --> 01:17:23,500
And I get it's a passing league, but when you look at that second game against Miami,

1281
01:17:23,500 --> 01:17:27,060
what was the reason they were moving the ball on us so effectively?

1282
01:17:27,060 --> 01:17:28,820
It was Raheem Mosterd.

1283
01:17:28,820 --> 01:17:34,660
It was third and six clear passing situations where McDaniel just decided to run the ball

1284
01:17:34,660 --> 01:17:39,300
up our throat and they played physical and they did it, right?

1285
01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:42,460
They were not extending drives because of Tua's pinpoint accuracy.

1286
01:17:42,460 --> 01:17:46,920
He had a very bad game with the exception of a couple of big plays in that game.

1287
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:51,940
They were extending drives because of our inability to stop the run on third down.

1288
01:17:51,940 --> 01:17:54,980
And Jack Campbell doesn't correct that problem.

1289
01:17:54,980 --> 01:18:00,860
He makes you decent in coverage again, but he doesn't add any strength that doesn't

1290
01:18:00,860 --> 01:18:02,860
already exist to that team.

1291
01:18:02,860 --> 01:18:05,980
That's why I'm not Jack Campbell around 27 or pick 27.

1292
01:18:05,980 --> 01:18:11,540
Well, and I think that there's also the question of most of the top, you know, top three, top

1293
01:18:11,540 --> 01:18:18,420
four round linebacker prospects are, they're much more a Milano type than they are an Edmonds

1294
01:18:18,420 --> 01:18:19,420
type.

1295
01:18:19,420 --> 01:18:25,340
And Henry Tootoa from Alabama is an exciting prospect.

1296
01:18:25,340 --> 01:18:30,460
That's amazing things in coverage has a knack for kind of rushing and finding lanes, you

1297
01:18:30,460 --> 01:18:36,700
know, in rushing the passer, but he's not, he's 6'2", 220.

1298
01:18:36,700 --> 01:18:40,460
Like he is like a safety body type.

1299
01:18:40,460 --> 01:18:45,580
And so again, that big body washing players out of a play, you're not going to gain anything

1300
01:18:45,580 --> 01:18:48,340
with Tootoa in the center of your defense.

1301
01:18:48,340 --> 01:18:53,780
I think that, you know, I'm kind of with you sort of convinced me that the fact that they

1302
01:18:53,780 --> 01:18:58,340
need an inside linebacker shouldn't predicate them on choosing an inside linebacker with

1303
01:18:58,340 --> 01:19:01,860
a premium pick because this might, this is not the draft for it.

1304
01:19:01,860 --> 01:19:06,740
No, this is not the draft to waste that very valuable capital.

1305
01:19:06,740 --> 01:19:09,660
If best player available plays a different position.

1306
01:19:09,660 --> 01:19:14,980
And I'm going to have a hard time believing that with the depth of wide receiver and tight

1307
01:19:14,980 --> 01:19:20,540
end in this draft, if that the bills won't prioritize pass catcher in this particular

1308
01:19:20,540 --> 01:19:23,900
draft if someone falls to them at 27.

1309
01:19:23,900 --> 01:19:24,900
I just don't see it.

1310
01:19:24,900 --> 01:19:31,280
You know, I mean, if you want Jack Campbell without the first round compensation, I mean,

1311
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,460
think about a guy like Noah Sewell out of Oregon, right?

1312
01:19:34,460 --> 01:19:37,420
He's a third year, straight up junior.

1313
01:19:37,420 --> 01:19:44,860
He's like 6'2", a little bit shorter than Campbell is, but same height, same 40 speed,

1314
01:19:44,860 --> 01:19:51,460
lightly comparable wingspan is a raw product in the run defense game, but has some coverage

1315
01:19:51,460 --> 01:19:53,660
chops that could be taught, right?

1316
01:19:53,660 --> 01:19:57,560
And this is someone you can stick behind Terrell Bernard because by the way, we drafted that

1317
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:02,820
kid last year in the third round using a high draft asset on them.

1318
01:20:02,820 --> 01:20:08,740
You're returning 10 of 11 starters to that defense and McDermott is calling the plays.

1319
01:20:08,740 --> 01:20:13,580
If there were a year you were going to find out what Terrell Bernard was about.

1320
01:20:13,580 --> 01:20:16,220
This is the year you could really set him up for success.

1321
01:20:16,220 --> 01:20:17,220
You know what I mean?

1322
01:20:17,220 --> 01:20:24,300
So I, yeah, I'm also happy if they don't address linebacker at all in this draft, sign a Wiley

1323
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:28,220
veteran, right?

1324
01:20:28,220 --> 01:20:30,580
Is it Devin White from Tampa Bay asked for a trade today?

1325
01:20:30,580 --> 01:20:35,980
I see a lot of Bill's fans like with the eyeball emojis, like, yeah, let's get that guy.

1326
01:20:35,980 --> 01:20:37,260
Yeah, I would love that guy.

1327
01:20:37,260 --> 01:20:40,260
Do you know how much you're going to have to pay that guy?

1328
01:20:40,260 --> 01:20:46,300
More than Edmunds got from Chicago, like, like he's on his fifth year option right now.

1329
01:20:46,300 --> 01:20:47,780
That's the reason he wants to be traded.

1330
01:20:47,780 --> 01:20:51,620
He doesn't have a contract going into next year and he's going to want to get paid and

1331
01:20:51,620 --> 01:20:56,900
go into the fine go into the go into the draft with that veteran or don't even go into the

1332
01:20:56,900 --> 01:21:01,740
draft that veteran go into the draft and like nobody shows up in the first three rounds

1333
01:21:01,740 --> 01:21:06,260
that you really feel crazy about Mahamud Deeb eight out of Utah.

1334
01:21:06,260 --> 01:21:13,420
Yeah, fourth round or fifth round who is he's kind of got that coverage profile, that athletic

1335
01:21:13,420 --> 01:21:18,020
profile six, five to 20, you know, like, yep, looks like a big safety, but it has a little

1336
01:21:18,020 --> 01:21:25,060
bit more bulk in size and you just plug him in again, rotating behind a vet that you have

1337
01:21:25,060 --> 01:21:28,420
in on a one year minimum deal and kind of ride with it.

1338
01:21:28,420 --> 01:21:32,040
Because I think that we'll save this for another pod, but I think that you and I have some

1339
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:37,020
ideas about how McDermott might run this defense that's going to be surprising or different

1340
01:21:37,020 --> 01:21:42,620
in the way in different personnel packages and different attacking styles that I agree

1341
01:21:42,620 --> 01:21:47,860
that we might not need the very standard set of defenders that Frazier was using.

1342
01:21:47,860 --> 01:21:48,860
Right.

1343
01:21:48,860 --> 01:21:54,940
When we say we need a middle linebacker and we need to use a top a top 30 pick on one,

1344
01:21:54,940 --> 01:22:00,480
we are still framing this conversation as a fan base around Leslie Frazier's defense.

1345
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:06,660
We don't know enough about the defense that McDermott is going to run to make that assumption.

1346
01:22:06,660 --> 01:22:10,500
Add to the fact that the talent isn't there to justify the pick.

1347
01:22:10,500 --> 01:22:15,060
I feel I would feel pretty good if the Bills did not address middle linebacker at all in

1348
01:22:15,060 --> 01:22:16,060
the draft.

1349
01:22:16,060 --> 01:22:17,060
Right.

1350
01:22:17,060 --> 01:22:19,260
And they just brought in a bunch of unsigned free agents and a veteran presence to fill

1351
01:22:19,260 --> 01:22:20,260
the void.

1352
01:22:20,260 --> 01:22:21,260
Yep.

1353
01:22:21,260 --> 01:22:22,260
Yeah.

1354
01:22:22,260 --> 01:22:23,260
All right.

1355
01:22:23,260 --> 01:22:25,480
Do you have any any last minute flyers before we get out of here?

1356
01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:28,100
This will this will all be wrong.

1357
01:22:28,100 --> 01:22:34,900
By the track this will everything we've said everything other podcasts have said will all

1358
01:22:34,900 --> 01:22:39,020
be wrong because no one expected Greg Russo.

1359
01:22:39,020 --> 01:22:41,080
No one expected Boogie Basham.

1360
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,520
We all want we all were expecting Trent McDuffie.

1361
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,340
We got Kyrie alum.

1362
01:22:45,340 --> 01:22:47,740
The reality is is it's 32 teams.

1363
01:22:47,740 --> 01:22:49,900
No one knows how their boards fall.

1364
01:22:49,900 --> 01:22:56,340
And when you're at 27 the reality is is you're reacting to what the previous 26 teams have

1365
01:22:56,340 --> 01:23:00,500
before you have done and you can't always predict what they're going to do.

1366
01:23:00,500 --> 01:23:02,980
So this is our best guess.

1367
01:23:02,980 --> 01:23:05,460
90% chance that all of this is wrong.

1368
01:23:05,460 --> 01:23:09,260
What I hope is not wrong are the priorities we've laid out.

1369
01:23:09,260 --> 01:23:13,980
I'm really hoping that the Bills address some of these priority areas use some premium picks

1370
01:23:13,980 --> 01:23:14,980
on the offense.

1371
01:23:14,980 --> 01:23:16,260
That's what I want to see this year.

1372
01:23:16,260 --> 01:23:17,260
Yep.

1373
01:23:17,260 --> 01:23:18,260
Absolutely.

1374
01:23:18,260 --> 01:23:22,820
And did you have I mean I know you wanted this to mention a tight end or two.

1375
01:23:22,820 --> 01:23:23,820
Yeah.

1376
01:23:23,820 --> 01:23:26,500
A tight end could be a pleasant surprise for us right.

1377
01:23:26,500 --> 01:23:30,860
Like no one wants to say it but people are falling in love with this Dalton Kincaid kid

1378
01:23:30,860 --> 01:23:31,860
out of Northwestern.

1379
01:23:31,860 --> 01:23:34,380
Is that what he's out of?

1380
01:23:34,380 --> 01:23:35,500
Yeah.

1381
01:23:35,500 --> 01:23:41,540
I've heard comps to one Travis Kelsey who has been the architect of our nightmares for

1382
01:23:41,540 --> 01:23:43,100
years.

1383
01:23:43,100 --> 01:23:46,540
Great athletic profile a little bit raw as a blocker.

1384
01:23:46,540 --> 01:23:48,520
Very natural pass catcher.

1385
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,740
The Bills have wanted to run two tight ends.

1386
01:23:50,740 --> 01:23:53,300
That's I think for a long time.

1387
01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:55,340
And Quentin Morris is just not the guy.

1388
01:23:55,340 --> 01:23:56,820
He's too raw as a blocker.

1389
01:23:56,820 --> 01:23:59,820
He's just not the guy you're going to do that with.

1390
01:23:59,820 --> 01:24:05,700
You draft a guy like so if we change the priority from wide receiver and make it more general

1391
01:24:05,700 --> 01:24:12,380
to just pass catcher you add a Dalton Kincaid or a Michael Meyer in the first or second

1392
01:24:12,380 --> 01:24:18,500
round to this pass catching core then all of a sudden your two tight end sets you've

1393
01:24:18,500 --> 01:24:25,260
got the threat to either run or pass and you become less predictable to the opposing defense.

1394
01:24:25,260 --> 01:24:30,540
Every time the Bills ran the ball checking in number 69 Bobby Hart isn't eligible to

1395
01:24:30,540 --> 01:24:31,540
receive right.

1396
01:24:31,540 --> 01:24:35,460
I mean like it's just it's like the Bills were so predictable in the run game and they

1397
01:24:35,460 --> 01:24:40,380
had to literally throw out the heaviest guys they could find to get four yards in a cloud

1398
01:24:40,380 --> 01:24:42,100
of dust.

1399
01:24:42,100 --> 01:24:46,860
If you even have an inkling as an opposing defense that they're going to throw the ball

1400
01:24:46,860 --> 01:24:53,020
over the seam with knocks or a guy like Meyer or Kincaid then all of a sudden you can open

1401
01:24:53,020 --> 01:24:57,700
up things in the run game and short yardage out of those two tight end sets without becoming

1402
01:24:57,700 --> 01:24:58,700
predictable.

1403
01:24:58,700 --> 01:25:05,340
So I could see the Bills and I'd be perfectly happy if the Bills focused on just pass catcher

1404
01:25:05,340 --> 01:25:09,260
with their first few picks and one of those pass catchers was another tight end.

1405
01:25:09,260 --> 01:25:10,260
Absolutely.

1406
01:25:10,260 --> 01:25:13,660
And yeah Dalton Kincaid out of Utah.

1407
01:25:13,660 --> 01:25:14,660
Utah there you go.

1408
01:25:14,660 --> 01:25:15,660
Sorry.

1409
01:25:15,660 --> 01:25:20,780
He's a 1940 senior from Las Vegas originally.

1410
01:25:20,780 --> 01:25:21,780
So for that guy.

1411
01:25:21,780 --> 01:25:22,780
Yeah.

1412
01:25:22,780 --> 01:25:23,780
And I agree.

1413
01:25:23,780 --> 01:25:26,660
I think that there's an opportunity here and I you know it's one of those deals that it's

1414
01:25:26,660 --> 01:25:36,300
going to be it's going to be interesting what how the how the first 25 20 or 24 picks go

1415
01:25:36,300 --> 01:25:37,300
right.

1416
01:25:37,300 --> 01:25:42,860
Like I think the Bills with only six picks in the draft are in the world where they might

1417
01:25:42,860 --> 01:25:53,420
not consider themselves even in striking distance of pick 18 through 22 but maybe in a we're

1418
01:25:53,420 --> 01:25:58,740
going to trade up four or five picks and give away our sixth or another you know it's second

1419
01:25:58,740 --> 01:26:01,660
round or next year or something like that.

1420
01:26:01,660 --> 01:26:05,700
You know trade up four or five picks and try to get somebody that comes in striking distance

1421
01:26:05,700 --> 01:26:09,060
and if it doesn't then it's going to be really interesting how that best player available

1422
01:26:09,060 --> 01:26:10,140
plays out.

1423
01:26:10,140 --> 01:26:14,940
And I wonder if Bill's mafia is going to be upset on draft night in the first round when

1424
01:26:14,940 --> 01:26:19,540
we end up inevitably picking a draft and another edge player.

1425
01:26:19,540 --> 01:26:26,460
I know we we we did not talk about edge dear God we did not talk about edge because for

1426
01:26:26,460 --> 01:26:29,220
a first round pick on an edge.

1427
01:26:29,220 --> 01:26:32,020
Come on man are we really going to go down that route again.

1428
01:26:32,020 --> 01:26:35,300
Are we are we going to relive that same nightmare again.

1429
01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:36,300
So yeah.

1430
01:26:36,300 --> 01:26:40,180
But yeah I'll be interested to see what happens with it too.

1431
01:26:40,180 --> 01:26:44,340
It's going to be fascinating this year more years than most because the Bills have some

1432
01:26:44,340 --> 01:26:48,380
glaring needs unlike they've had in the past few years they're not going to be off have

1433
01:26:48,380 --> 01:26:55,100
a lot of luxury picks but also the areas of need that they have are not really great for

1434
01:26:55,100 --> 01:26:56,880
the street to fill with this draft.

1435
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,820
So it'll be interesting to see what Bean does.

1436
01:26:59,820 --> 01:27:00,820
That was fun.

1437
01:27:00,820 --> 01:27:01,820
I love talking.

1438
01:27:01,820 --> 01:27:02,820
I love talking draft.

1439
01:27:02,820 --> 01:27:03,820
All right.

1440
01:27:03,820 --> 01:27:06,860
So for all of you still listening at home thank you very much.

1441
01:27:06,860 --> 01:27:11,380
Be sure to like share and subscribe wherever you get your podcast Google Apple and Spotify

1442
01:27:11,380 --> 01:27:12,380
and as always go Bills

1443
01:27:12,380 --> 01:27:41,860
Go Bills.