WEBVTT 00:00:00.769 --> 00:00:03.770 Welcome back to the Buffalo Bread podcast, season 00:00:03.770 --> 00:00:07.490 six, and the continuing and final episode of 00:00:07.490 --> 00:00:10.070 our annual tradition unlike any other, Friends 00:00:10.070 --> 00:00:12.269 of the Pod, not Friends of the Bills. We are 00:00:12.269 --> 00:00:14.810 capping off in style with one of our favorite 00:00:14.810 --> 00:00:18.050 co -hosts, Jared, who is our resident Jets expert. 00:00:18.730 --> 00:00:20.390 Jared, it's great to have you back on the pod 00:00:20.390 --> 00:00:23.449 for a multitude of reasons. You are feel like 00:00:23.449 --> 00:00:26.050 the soothsayer for Jets Nation out there whenever 00:00:26.050 --> 00:00:28.789 you come on the pod. But I think most importantly, 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:31.280 you really do resonate with a lot of our listeners 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:33.740 because they love your voice. They're like, now 00:00:33.740 --> 00:00:37.280 that dude, he's got a podcast voice, unlike me 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:40.479 and JJ, who they barely can stand the way we 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:42.920 kind of great and monotone talk through stuff. 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:45.079 It is always a highlight for our listeners when 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:48.640 you come on a for your content, be for the vocal 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:51.100 aesthetic that you bring to the table. So Jared, 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:52.759 it's great to have you back on the pod, man. 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:55.850 How you doing? I can't wait to forward these 00:00:55.850 --> 00:00:59.250 compliments on to my mom. So she feels a little 00:00:59.250 --> 00:01:01.329 bit better about the undergrad investment that 00:01:01.329 --> 00:01:04.209 she made in my broadcasting career that I never 00:01:04.209 --> 00:01:06.890 actually pursued professionally. This is good. 00:01:07.170 --> 00:01:08.969 That's great. That's great. Listen, before we 00:01:08.969 --> 00:01:12.209 get into it, you you not just not only have a 00:01:12.209 --> 00:01:15.090 podcast voice, you actually have a podcast. So 00:01:15.090 --> 00:01:16.390 why don't you head up our listeners, some of 00:01:16.390 --> 00:01:18.629 your socials, some of your information, put your 00:01:18.629 --> 00:01:20.629 good stuff out there before we get into the jobs. 00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:25.459 My home base is nail the recruiting process on 00:01:25.459 --> 00:01:28.379 Instagram. I run a podcast that helps guide high 00:01:28.379 --> 00:01:30.120 school athletes and their families through the 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:32.439 recruiting process at the collegiate level. I 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:35.859 will say I'm on a smidgen of a heater right now. 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:39.359 I always do my podcasts in the off season of 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:42.079 the college basketball season and my guests. 00:01:42.859 --> 00:01:45.700 from this past season were like generationally 00:01:45.700 --> 00:01:47.599 good both on the men's and the women's side. 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:50.819 So I've got interviews with a lot of coaching 00:01:50.819 --> 00:01:53.159 staffs that just made big splashes in both the 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:54.879 men's and women's NCAA tournament. That's really, 00:01:54.900 --> 00:01:57.340 really exciting. And yeah, you could check it 00:01:57.340 --> 00:02:00.239 out at at nail the recruiting process or anywhere 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:02.140 you get your podcasts, the nail the recruiting 00:02:02.140 --> 00:02:05.060 process podcast. Awesome. Like, share and subscribe 00:02:05.060 --> 00:02:09.199 folks, you won't regret it. On the topic of regrets. 00:02:11.359 --> 00:02:14.740 Listen, I am not, I love nothing better than 00:02:14.740 --> 00:02:17.960 a hard transition. So there we go. So listen, 00:02:18.020 --> 00:02:22.520 man, I don't think 2025 there were sky high expectations. 00:02:22.539 --> 00:02:25.099 You came in the last season, I think very reasonable 00:02:25.099 --> 00:02:27.439 on what Aaron Glenn's first year was going to 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:31.780 look like. And, you know, I think, I think, and 00:02:31.780 --> 00:02:34.340 we'll get into it a little bit from my perspective, 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:37.360 it's fair that Glenn is coming back for another 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:40.139 season, right? But it did look like at times, 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:42.740 and we never saw this in the Sala era, it did 00:02:42.740 --> 00:02:45.259 look like at times the team was quitting. What 00:02:45.259 --> 00:02:47.780 I couldn't tell though is if they were quitting 00:02:47.780 --> 00:02:49.780 on the coach or if they were quitting on the 00:02:49.780 --> 00:02:52.699 organization that at the trade deadline decided 00:02:52.699 --> 00:02:56.639 to, um, to ship out some of your most vaunted 00:02:56.639 --> 00:02:59.340 pieces from the previous era. That to me was 00:02:59.340 --> 00:03:01.199 kind of a signal of all right, we are planning 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:05.060 for 26 and 27 for this organization. And I don't 00:03:05.060 --> 00:03:07.539 think Glenn bears the blame for that. It did 00:03:07.539 --> 00:03:09.719 feel like the players maybe were less inclined 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:12.099 to play for the organization at times case in 00:03:12.099 --> 00:03:15.099 point, Mitchell Trubisky, Mitch Trubisky who 00:03:15.099 --> 00:03:17.719 listen. We love us a good we love us a good Mitch 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:21.000 Trubisky meme here on this pod. But he got paid 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:23.439 in Tennessee in large part because of the lack 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:25.879 of effort and week 18 that the Jets were able 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:28.400 to put up. So I mean, when Mitch Trubisky looked 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:30.500 like the greatest quarterback of all time, and 00:03:30.500 --> 00:03:31.840 it's like, oh, my God, Josh Allen gets hurt. 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:34.080 He's going to be like the next Jeff Hostetler. 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:37.560 Yeah, dude. And I love everybody that follows 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:39.680 us on social media. But I had people sliding 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:42.659 into our comments were like. watching Mitch Trubisky 00:03:42.659 --> 00:03:45.379 play against the Jets. And we're like, we need 00:03:45.379 --> 00:03:47.360 to have a hard conversation about Josh Allen, 00:03:47.379 --> 00:03:49.120 because this offense has never looked better 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:51.639 under Mitch. And I'm like, it's because they're 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:53.740 playing the Jets. I'm here to tell you, you didn't 00:03:53.740 --> 00:03:55.960 watch enough Jets football. I was going to say, 00:03:56.020 --> 00:03:58.219 you've only watched two Jets games, and they're 00:03:58.219 --> 00:04:00.659 both the ones that Bill's played in, guys. Right. 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:03.780 But but, you know, I think rightfully so Glenn 00:04:03.780 --> 00:04:05.919 gets another chance here heading into twenty 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:08.560 twenty six. It's an entirely new coaching staff, 00:04:08.620 --> 00:04:12.370 which is usually the sign of a last chance for 00:04:12.370 --> 00:04:15.250 a coach before an organization moves on. But 00:04:15.250 --> 00:04:17.050 some interesting hires, I think, that come along 00:04:17.050 --> 00:04:19.649 with that. And then, of course, maybe finally 00:04:19.649 --> 00:04:22.350 stabilizing the QB position with the return of 00:04:22.350 --> 00:04:25.410 one Geno Smith. Right. So we now head into the 00:04:25.410 --> 00:04:28.750 new league year, man. And there is some potential 00:04:28.750 --> 00:04:30.949 for the Jets, I think, to really make some hay 00:04:30.949 --> 00:04:32.709 building block wise. They've already done so 00:04:32.709 --> 00:04:34.509 in free agency. I like a lot of the moves they 00:04:34.509 --> 00:04:36.769 made. But the draft is really where they got 00:04:36.769 --> 00:04:39.209 to nail it. Right. But before we get into that, 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:42.220 I always like to start these season postmortems 00:04:42.220 --> 00:04:44.959 on a positive note. While it was not the season 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:46.680 you guys planned for, it was maybe rougher than 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:49.500 you intended to, like nothing is without a little 00:04:49.500 --> 00:04:51.680 positivity. So why don't you walk some of our 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:54.360 listeners through your 2025 highlights for the 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:59.319 New York Jets? I am exclusively looking at this 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:03.300 from a general manager's lens. So I want to flashback 00:05:03.300 --> 00:05:07.519 to our conversation a year ago where we talked 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:11.370 about what Mugi and Glenn's day one press conference 00:05:11.370 --> 00:05:14.149 was and what their stated goals were. Their stated 00:05:14.149 --> 00:05:17.430 goals were identify pieces currently that they 00:05:17.430 --> 00:05:21.490 can build around, draft and move pieces to get 00:05:21.490 --> 00:05:24.350 as many draft picks as possible, and then build 00:05:24.350 --> 00:05:26.870 the future of their organization around young 00:05:26.870 --> 00:05:30.589 players that they draft. They stated explicitly 00:05:30.589 --> 00:05:34.470 on day one, we do not want to be a free agent 00:05:34.470 --> 00:05:37.930 heavy team. We want to be a team that drafts 00:05:37.740 --> 00:05:40.439 develops and retains, and that's the key to long 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:44.660 -term success in the modern NFL. If I were evaluating 00:05:44.660 --> 00:05:48.980 on that, and I'm evaluating based on what rebuilds 00:05:48.980 --> 00:05:51.160 tend to look like in the NFL when they're done 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:53.060 right, because we have a big enough sample size 00:05:53.060 --> 00:05:55.500 to choose from, I think the best thing that the 00:05:55.500 --> 00:05:58.720 Jets did this year is that they didn't make any 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:02.680 of their bad problems worse, and they lived their 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:07.779 mission. Let's use the Sauce Gardener trade as 00:06:07.779 --> 00:06:11.779 the key example. It's a great one. You have heard 00:06:11.779 --> 00:06:15.279 me on this podcast say that I think Sauce Gardener 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:18.439 is not as good as his statistics have inflated 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:20.939 him to be. This is why we love you. We agree. 00:06:21.620 --> 00:06:26.600 They sold as high as humanly possible. They flipped 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:29.560 him. for two draft picks and Adonai Mitchell. 00:06:29.740 --> 00:06:32.000 Adonai Mitchell was the best receiver on the 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.000 Jets for the final quarter of the season. Love 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:36.899 that kid too. He just needs a shot. Yes. And 00:06:36.899 --> 00:06:40.079 again, perfect fit for what the Jets are saying 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:44.379 they want. Young person, buying low, developing. 00:06:44.860 --> 00:06:48.459 Let's see what he can do. They flip another trade 00:06:48.459 --> 00:06:51.459 to the Philadelphia Eagles for John Meche III 00:06:51.459 --> 00:06:54.949 and the Jets two best slot weapons for the final 00:06:54.949 --> 00:06:56.949 half of the season are two players that did not 00:06:56.949 --> 00:06:59.709 start the season on their team offensively. So 00:06:59.709 --> 00:07:04.529 they are showing you, and I know this is a low 00:07:04.529 --> 00:07:06.490 expectation, but remember who we're talking about. 00:07:07.269 --> 00:07:10.910 They're showing you at a baseline, Dan, competency 00:07:10.910 --> 00:07:14.829 in season. These are moves that people typically 00:07:14.829 --> 00:07:17.610 make in the off season that they made in November 00:07:17.610 --> 00:07:22.490 and were successful. So that's a big thing for 00:07:22.490 --> 00:07:25.870 me is that they were able to identify on the 00:07:25.870 --> 00:07:28.810 fly Where our problem area is where the people 00:07:28.810 --> 00:07:30.550 that we're gonna have to be stuck overpaying 00:07:30.550 --> 00:07:32.350 that might not even buy into what we're doing 00:07:32.350 --> 00:07:36.149 And can we flip them now to your point? When 00:07:36.149 --> 00:07:40.750 that happened you could tell that it sunk some 00:07:40.750 --> 00:07:44.139 of the veterans. Yes, and you could tell, and 00:07:44.139 --> 00:07:45.699 I think if I were to give you kind of the dark 00:07:45.699 --> 00:07:48.439 spot, it was definitely the way the season ended. 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:52.500 You could tell that everyone sort of lost their 00:07:52.500 --> 00:07:55.959 heart. And something I thought about over and 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:57.540 over again, and I wonder if this is going to 00:07:57.540 --> 00:08:01.100 become a recurring theme for this little segment, 00:08:01.579 --> 00:08:04.480 is you can't talk about Aaron Glenn without talking 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:06.139 about what he just did with the Detroit Lions. 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:11.019 And one of the most viral segments of coaching 00:08:11.019 --> 00:08:14.060 in the last like 25 years of NFL football is 00:08:14.060 --> 00:08:18.240 Dan Campbell begging the Lions in year one to 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:21.540 stay bought into him. Yes, we're and that's an 00:08:21.540 --> 00:08:23.180 interesting comp. Yeah, keep going with that. 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:26.620 So he and may I add and I'm sure we're going 00:08:26.620 --> 00:08:31.560 to talk about this later. They didn't. And and 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.899 and he kept legitimately he kept around anyone 00:08:35.899 --> 00:08:38.850 that did. Flipped the rest of his pieces. They 00:08:38.850 --> 00:08:41.750 drafted exceptionally they used new coordinators 00:08:41.750 --> 00:08:44.909 Aaron Glenn included and they you know, they 00:08:44.909 --> 00:08:49.610 flew to the moon and I Do I think the Jets are 00:08:49.610 --> 00:08:52.649 on their way to the moon? No, do I do not think 00:08:52.649 --> 00:08:54.950 the Jets are on their way to the moon Do I think 00:08:54.950 --> 00:08:57.450 we can upgrade from Penn Station to Grand Central 00:08:57.450 --> 00:09:02.149 station? Yes, I do and and I so what I see is 00:09:02.149 --> 00:09:05.009 a team that is living their mission They have 00:09:05.009 --> 00:09:07.730 accomplished the exact thing they said that they 00:09:07.730 --> 00:09:10.429 wanted to accomplish, which was we want to work 00:09:10.429 --> 00:09:12.370 around our dead cap space issues. We want to 00:09:12.370 --> 00:09:14.789 get as many picks as we can. You want to identify 00:09:14.789 --> 00:09:16.610 the culture problems and get them out. We want 00:09:16.610 --> 00:09:18.809 to identify our people and get them in. And if 00:09:18.809 --> 00:09:21.169 you look at what they've done in short time, 00:09:21.509 --> 00:09:24.190 they're on their way, dude. And, you know, I 00:09:24.190 --> 00:09:26.230 wanted to bring this up later, but you've segueed 00:09:26.230 --> 00:09:28.250 and set it up perfectly right. I wanted to bring 00:09:28.250 --> 00:09:29.929 this up when we talked about the jet's draft, 00:09:29.970 --> 00:09:34.049 but that lion's comp. is so true that first season 00:09:34.049 --> 00:09:36.990 under Dan Campbell, that Lions team only had 00:09:36.990 --> 00:09:40.429 three wins. And remember, we were mocking him 00:09:40.429 --> 00:09:43.090 in that that off season heading into the 2121 00:09:43.090 --> 00:09:46.129 draft, the kneecap fighter guy and all that stuff. 00:09:46.409 --> 00:09:49.610 That draft ended up being a seminal moment for 00:09:49.610 --> 00:09:52.110 them where they really got the building blocks 00:09:52.110 --> 00:09:54.809 that they needed to build not just the team, 00:09:54.830 --> 00:09:57.889 but the culture that led them to the moment the 00:09:57.889 --> 00:10:01.110 Lions are in now, which is perennial NFC contender 00:10:01.110 --> 00:10:03.500 and as Dan Campbell considered one of the best 00:10:03.500 --> 00:10:06.080 coaches in the league, as a Jets fan, that's 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:09.360 got to give you a little bit of faith that coming 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:11.559 from that culture that Aaron Glenn did, plus 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:14.399 his connection and his passion for the Jets organization, 00:10:15.100 --> 00:10:17.120 they're setting things up in the same way with 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:19.059 some of the moves that they've made. I mean, 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:22.019 that next draft year for the Lions, they got 00:10:22.019 --> 00:10:25.970 Aiden Hutchinson. when healthy, all pro at Russia, 00:10:26.610 --> 00:10:29.190 Jameson Williams, maybe the nastiest, fastest 00:10:29.190 --> 00:10:31.009 number two wide receiver there is in the league, 00:10:31.429 --> 00:10:34.389 Kirby Joseph, all pro defensive back and then 00:10:34.389 --> 00:10:37.110 really nice depth pieces and Malcolm Rodriguez 00:10:37.110 --> 00:10:39.970 and James Houston at the linebacker core. I mean, 00:10:39.970 --> 00:10:42.750 you can't ask for more than three solid starters 00:10:42.750 --> 00:10:44.990 to all pros and then some really great depth 00:10:44.990 --> 00:10:47.970 pieces behind that. If you're a Jets fan and 00:10:47.970 --> 00:10:50.309 you're sitting here with four top 50 picks in 00:10:50.309 --> 00:10:52.389 the twenty twenty six draft, you've got to look 00:10:52.389 --> 00:10:54.649 at that blueprint in Detroit and be like, this 00:10:54.649 --> 00:10:56.750 is something that we can do in this year's draft. 00:10:57.389 --> 00:11:00.750 I I agree with you on everything that you just 00:11:00.750 --> 00:11:03.350 said. So rather than waste everyone's time, I 00:11:03.350 --> 00:11:05.490 want to expand on what you just said. Go for 00:11:05.490 --> 00:11:09.080 it. How how did they do it? They flipped. Matthew 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:13.379 Stafford, the king's ransom of draft picks. If 00:11:13.379 --> 00:11:16.820 you look at what the Jets have, this draft and 00:11:16.820 --> 00:11:21.539 next draft, I haven't, and I mean this, I can't 00:11:21.539 --> 00:11:25.200 even think of a time before the Rex Ryan era 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:29.899 of the Jets where the cupboard looked this ripe 00:11:29.899 --> 00:11:33.700 for opportunity for this franchise, and to think 00:11:33.700 --> 00:11:37.980 that it's happening in the face of gigantic roster 00:11:37.980 --> 00:11:42.159 management problems. They're paying two quarterbacks 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:45.259 that aren't on the team a combined $45 million 00:11:45.259 --> 00:11:48.779 this year, and they're still operating with this 00:11:48.779 --> 00:11:52.799 much of a draft surplus. So, I mean, if you are 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:55.840 simply evaluating them by the hand that they 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:58.559 were dealt, I am completely on the same page 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:03.080 with you, and it, in my opinion, validates the 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:05.139 trades with Tennessee. It validates the trades 00:12:05.139 --> 00:12:07.750 with Philadelphia. Most notably, it validates 00:12:07.750 --> 00:12:11.669 the sauce trade. And by the way, the Jets don't 00:12:11.669 --> 00:12:13.750 even look that bad in the moment. I mean, obviously, 00:12:14.210 --> 00:12:19.029 the injury to, oh my God, why am I drawing the 00:12:19.029 --> 00:12:21.110 blank on his last name? Colts quarterback used 00:12:21.110 --> 00:12:23.210 to play for the Giants, Dan. Oh, Daniel Jones, 00:12:23.350 --> 00:12:25.409 yeah. Daniel Jones. Thank you, DJ. The injury 00:12:25.409 --> 00:12:28.490 to DJ takes the Colts out of contention. But 00:12:28.490 --> 00:12:30.509 the Jets don't even look bad. It's not like they 00:12:30.509 --> 00:12:33.149 just handed the Colts a Super Bowl. Right, exactly. 00:12:33.649 --> 00:12:37.620 So all of this in my opinion, is looking up. 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:40.480 There are so many promising draft picks. And 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:42.940 again, much like Detroit was in that situation 00:12:42.940 --> 00:12:45.440 to kind of tie a bow on the Dan Campbell reference, 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:50.779 much like Detroit was in that situation, it wasn't 00:12:50.779 --> 00:12:53.440 like, oh, we have one need and if we get it wrong 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:55.559 in the draft, it's curtains. No, no, no, no. 00:12:55.700 --> 00:12:59.899 We can draft for value and whatever person that 00:12:59.899 --> 00:13:01.960 can help us that's staring us in the face at 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:05.519 that pick, come on in. and then combine that 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:08.399 with not only players, like one of the picks 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:10.299 I'm most, or the pickups I'm most excited about 00:13:10.299 --> 00:13:12.519 is an average wide receiver in Josh Reynolds, 00:13:12.899 --> 00:13:15.360 but Josh Reynolds played Detroit when Aaron Glenn 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:17.799 was there. Like they're going out and finding 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:22.340 people that they know. And I think when you combine 00:13:22.340 --> 00:13:24.259 that young blood that's gonna be hungry for a 00:13:24.259 --> 00:13:26.820 chance and the veterans that I think understand 00:13:26.820 --> 00:13:29.460 what Aaron Glenn wants to do, Aaron Glenn and 00:13:29.460 --> 00:13:31.720 Dan Campbell are not for everybody. We learned 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.000 that. for Dan Campbell in year one, we watched 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:37.539 Aaron Glenn dance down the sidelines in the game 00:13:37.539 --> 00:13:40.200 he ultimately lost. He's not for everybody. But 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:41.940 I think he's going to find his people. And I'm 00:13:41.940 --> 00:13:44.519 much more excited about years two and three than 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:47.860 year one. Yeah, for sure. And that and the the 00:13:47.860 --> 00:13:50.299 choices that the squad has made and who they've 00:13:50.299 --> 00:13:53.120 retained Garrett Wilson, obviously, Armin Membu, 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:55.659 who was my rookie of the year last year, right 00:13:55.659 --> 00:13:59.539 tackle. I mean, very rarely am I impressed by 00:13:59.539 --> 00:14:01.720 splash plays at the tackle position. That's a 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:04.320 JJ thing. But even I recognize the greatness 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:06.600 in that kid. And then Bruce Hall back on the 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:09.779 franchise tag. There is a very clear vision to 00:14:09.779 --> 00:14:12.879 me on who fits with this team. And based on the 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:15.460 pieces they sent off who they didn't. More importantly, 00:14:15.940 --> 00:14:17.379 Harrison Phillips, I think is still on the roster 00:14:17.379 --> 00:14:19.440 for you guys, right? You traded for from Minnesota. 00:14:19.899 --> 00:14:21.779 There are a lot of bills fans being like, Hey, 00:14:21.820 --> 00:14:23.720 could we maybe send the Jets a seventh rounder 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:25.659 and get Phillips I'm like, Glenn is not going 00:14:25.659 --> 00:14:27.629 to want to give up a like Phillips, like Phillips 00:14:27.629 --> 00:14:30.190 is going to be a culture and a tone setter in 00:14:30.190 --> 00:14:32.230 that locker room for what Glenn wants to build. 00:14:32.429 --> 00:14:36.330 And then low key, the Devondre Sweat trade. I 00:14:36.330 --> 00:14:38.610 forget, I forget the edge that you gave up for 00:14:38.610 --> 00:14:41.789 him. Oh, I'm blinking on that name. Oh, my goodness. 00:14:42.090 --> 00:14:45.850 He another Titan signing them. Yep. Yep. It was 00:14:45.850 --> 00:14:48.549 a kid for kid trade, right? And Devondre Sweat 00:14:48.549 --> 00:14:50.429 just going to be a boulder in the middle of that 00:14:50.429 --> 00:14:51.929 defensive line for you guys is going to make 00:14:51.929 --> 00:14:54.590 James Cook's life hell on earth to try to run 00:14:54.590 --> 00:14:57.539 up the gut on that team. And you know what, let's 00:14:57.539 --> 00:14:59.220 stay on that because Trevonde Sweat was somebody 00:14:59.220 --> 00:15:03.279 I had in bold on my rundown. On the subject of 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:05.860 veteran leadership, I don't know if DeMario Davis 00:15:05.860 --> 00:15:08.059 can move laterally anymore, but I know he can 00:15:08.059 --> 00:15:10.539 lead a football team. And I know that that's 00:15:10.539 --> 00:15:12.480 what Aaron Glenn is looking for. And if you can 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:15.860 get a grizzled, like it's like movie script stuff, 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:20.000 but it's real. A grizzled veteran linebacker. 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:21.980 that can be the quarterback of your defense. 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:23.580 Maybe he doesn't need to be on the field for 00:15:23.580 --> 00:15:25.440 even a quarter of the snaps, but he can get everyone 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:27.779 else where they need to be, keep the energy up, 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:30.820 keep the communication up between that at the 00:15:30.820 --> 00:15:33.600 linebacker position, between healthy, and I'm 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:35.440 putting this in glaring air quotes because you 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:37.620 never know with him, but currently healthy Minka 00:15:37.620 --> 00:15:41.840 Fitzpatrick in the secondary. Then with Sweat, 00:15:41.940 --> 00:15:45.340 you literally have added explosive leadership 00:15:45.340 --> 00:15:48.879 at every level of your defense, and it's not 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:52.379 even April. And the spine of that defense looks 00:15:52.379 --> 00:15:55.779 a lot different now from sweat all the way through 00:15:55.779 --> 00:15:59.580 to Fitzpatrick. Right. So my, you know, what 00:15:59.580 --> 00:16:03.820 I had in bold is you combine those three signings 00:16:03.820 --> 00:16:07.000 with the returning Okorafor, Sherwood, and Sisko. 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:11.120 And you don't have all of what you need, but 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:15.659 you have half of it. And you happen to have a 00:16:15.659 --> 00:16:18.500 ton of draft picks. Let, and you know what, let's 00:16:18.500 --> 00:16:20.039 dive right into that. Cause you've done such 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:22.480 a good job of, of summing up the roster moves 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:25.860 so far. The, the, your squad still has holes 00:16:25.860 --> 00:16:28.879 in it, right? However, you have got the assets 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:32.200 both cap wise and draft wise this year and next 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:35.159 year to address a lot of that. You guys are making 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:37.759 an unheard of four picks in the top 50. You pick 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:41.730 second 16th, 33rd. and 44th. You have a grand 00:16:41.730 --> 00:16:44.250 total of nine overall picks here in this draft. 00:16:44.690 --> 00:16:46.710 I want to start with the QB position, right? 00:16:46.710 --> 00:16:48.730 Because that's what everybody goes to. It's not 00:16:48.730 --> 00:16:51.389 a great QB class. You guys just brought back 00:16:51.389 --> 00:16:54.710 Gino Smith from a limited and unsuccessful stint 00:16:54.710 --> 00:16:57.809 with the Raiders, but he has only maybe two years 00:16:57.809 --> 00:17:00.529 removed from playing really solid quarterback 00:17:00.529 --> 00:17:03.929 play. Yes, for the Seattle Seahawks, right? Do 00:17:03.929 --> 00:17:07.849 you think the Jets are done at QB? Or do you 00:17:07.849 --> 00:17:09.490 think they're going to use one of these nine 00:17:09.490 --> 00:17:11.450 picks to pick a developmental kid in this year's 00:17:11.450 --> 00:17:14.650 draft? For the way that the general public thinks 00:17:14.650 --> 00:17:16.710 about the quarterback position, they are done 00:17:16.710 --> 00:17:19.470 at QB. For the way people like you and JJ and 00:17:19.470 --> 00:17:21.170 me think about the quarterback position, they 00:17:21.170 --> 00:17:24.170 are not done at the quarterback position. I think 00:17:24.170 --> 00:17:28.009 the two things that work in conjunction here 00:17:28.009 --> 00:17:33.009 is if they wanted to have a battle for QB1 with 00:17:33.009 --> 00:17:36.369 Geno Smith, then they keep either Tyrod Taylor 00:17:36.369 --> 00:17:39.670 or Justin Fields on the roster. They didn't do 00:17:39.670 --> 00:17:44.529 either of those things. The only quarterback 00:17:44.529 --> 00:17:48.250 that I'd really consider drafting early in the 00:17:48.250 --> 00:17:51.829 most kind, backhanded way possible has made it 00:17:51.829 --> 00:17:53.450 very clear he doesn't want to be a champion. 00:17:54.450 --> 00:17:57.829 So I think your solution is kind of staring you 00:17:57.829 --> 00:18:01.950 right in the face. The longer the off season 00:18:01.950 --> 00:18:05.779 is gone, The more validated Geno Smith appears 00:18:05.779 --> 00:18:07.519 to have been in his struggles. I mean, we've 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:10.619 heard some horror stories about the lack of coaching, 00:18:11.299 --> 00:18:13.680 about some maybe some nepotism plays leading 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:17.420 to him not actually having a quarterbacks room 00:18:17.420 --> 00:18:20.339 or not getting like adequate film breakdown. 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:24.160 And, you know, he's a guy even in his struggling 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:26.779 years, he's a guy that's always kind of had the 00:18:26.779 --> 00:18:30.450 pro attitude and took it on the chin. really 00:18:30.450 --> 00:18:33.089 add a character stuff from him last year that 00:18:33.089 --> 00:18:34.910 I think makes a bit more sense when you hear 00:18:34.910 --> 00:18:36.589 some of the internal reports of what was going 00:18:36.589 --> 00:18:40.849 on in Vegas. Yeah. So put him with a guy like 00:18:40.849 --> 00:18:44.549 Frank Reich, who for all of Frank Reich's limitations 00:18:44.549 --> 00:18:47.410 is going to basically say to Gino, Gino I just 00:18:47.410 --> 00:18:49.529 am going to put you in the shotgun. Reese Hall 00:18:49.529 --> 00:18:52.109 is going to be right next to you and you're just 00:18:52.109 --> 00:18:54.690 going to make the decision every play. whether 00:18:54.690 --> 00:18:56.730 or not Bruce Hall is getting the ball or you're 00:18:56.730 --> 00:18:58.730 going to throw the ball five to 10 yards, then 00:18:58.730 --> 00:19:00.349 every once in a while when I feel like you're 00:19:00.349 --> 00:19:02.529 doing really well, I'm going to just let you 00:19:02.529 --> 00:19:06.450 air it. Dude, and I, I, I am higher on the franchise 00:19:06.450 --> 00:19:08.609 higher than I think a lot of people are. Sure. 00:19:08.750 --> 00:19:12.809 Yeah. Yes. He is he the most creative schemer 00:19:12.809 --> 00:19:15.490 out there? Is he like a mad scientist, Mike McDaniel? 00:19:15.690 --> 00:19:19.859 Absolutely not. However, He has generated excellent 00:19:19.859 --> 00:19:23.039 QB play out of what a lot of folks wouldn't consider 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:25.599 to be average to slightly above average talent. 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:29.920 And game to game, he is excellent at understanding 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:32.119 what the opposing defense wants to run out. And 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:34.960 he knows exactly what the pros and the limitations 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:38.880 of his squad are. And he will tailor. a game 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:41.720 plan to exactly what his team can do and the 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:44.500 other team can't do. While that may not be flashy, 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:46.980 it sure can be effective if you're a team like 00:19:46.980 --> 00:19:49.400 the Jets that are just looking for a little bit 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:51.980 of offensive stability to get you through the 00:19:51.980 --> 00:19:54.940 season. So I actually like the professionalism 00:19:54.940 --> 00:19:57.039 of the Frank Reicheier, and I like what he's 00:19:57.039 --> 00:19:58.859 going to add to that coaching staff overall, 00:19:58.900 --> 00:20:04.160 for sure. You can't get better until you've stabilized. 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:07.019 Right. You need a foundation. You need a floor 00:20:07.019 --> 00:20:10.460 somewhere. And I think Frank Wright, and in a 00:20:10.460 --> 00:20:13.019 very weird way, as you know, I'm a big basketball 00:20:13.019 --> 00:20:15.859 guy, I would almost compare this to Tom Thibodeau 00:20:15.859 --> 00:20:20.559 with the Knicks. Such a good comp. Can the Knicks 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:23.119 win endless championships with Tom Thibodeau 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:25.099 and the way that he views the game of basketball? 00:20:25.380 --> 00:20:29.059 No. Are the Knicks as good this year without 00:20:29.059 --> 00:20:31.440 the history of Tom Thibodeau building them up? 00:20:31.700 --> 00:20:35.380 Absolutely not. So like you need someone that's 00:20:35.380 --> 00:20:38.609 going to be like, I'm going to be Crazy about 00:20:38.609 --> 00:20:40.609 the fundamentals and if I were to give you actually 00:20:40.609 --> 00:20:42.529 like inside baseball the biggest problem I'm 00:20:42.529 --> 00:20:44.809 looking for him to resolve in his first three 00:20:44.809 --> 00:20:48.869 years Breece Hall averaged 50 or more Receptions 00:20:48.869 --> 00:20:51.769 out of the backfield and I think he barely hit 00:20:51.769 --> 00:20:54.450 30 this year He was coming off of the of the 00:20:54.450 --> 00:20:57.309 second Aaron Rodgers year when he had 80 and 00:20:57.309 --> 00:21:02.670 They basically made him a predictable Downhill 00:21:02.670 --> 00:21:06.750 rusher to his credit He still eclipsed a thousand 00:21:06.750 --> 00:21:09.470 yards, had a very respectable yards per carry, 00:21:10.349 --> 00:21:13.089 and earned the franchise tag. But imagine what 00:21:13.089 --> 00:21:15.769 this can look like with a reliable quarterback 00:21:15.769 --> 00:21:18.829 that has way more poise under pressure than Justin 00:21:18.829 --> 00:21:21.130 Fields ended up having, that can make decisions, 00:21:21.230 --> 00:21:22.990 that can get him involved at the right times. 00:21:24.289 --> 00:21:27.349 I'm valuing stability as the Jets try to get 00:21:27.349 --> 00:21:32.059 everything else right. And you are you are maybe 00:21:32.059 --> 00:21:35.339 an interior offensive lineman or two away from 00:21:35.339 --> 00:21:37.579 having a really stout offensive line, which is 00:21:37.579 --> 00:21:40.619 something that Gino Smith needs to succeed. So 00:21:40.619 --> 00:21:43.160 again, this brings me back to the draft draft. 00:21:43.299 --> 00:21:47.220 Yes. Yes. So there are listen, this is a draft 00:21:47.220 --> 00:21:50.400 rife with tackle prospects. It's rife with offensive 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:52.460 lineman that have inside outside versatility. 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:56.579 Not a lot of true like truly great interior offensive 00:21:56.579 --> 00:21:58.500 lineman other than the kid out of Penn State. 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:00.859 which will be in your reach, I would imagine, 00:22:00.940 --> 00:22:04.240 at pick number 16. So, all that being said, what 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:06.380 are the positions you think the Jets are going 00:22:06.380 --> 00:22:09.140 to draft with their bevy of premium draft capital? 00:22:09.700 --> 00:22:11.859 Let's start with QB, because that's what everyone's 00:22:11.859 --> 00:22:13.579 going to talk about with the Jets having a Geno 00:22:13.579 --> 00:22:16.579 Smith. I would not draft a QB until late day 00:22:16.579 --> 00:22:20.579 two, early day three. 100%. There are two quarterbacks, 00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:22.480 actually, that I will mention by name that I 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:25.220 think would be there. Can I guess them? Yes, 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:26.779 because I want to see if we're saying the same 00:22:26.779 --> 00:22:30.160 thing. Yeah. Cade Clubnick and Garrett Neusmeyer. 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:33.819 OK, so Neusmeyer is one of them. OK, Neusmeyer 00:22:33.819 --> 00:22:36.380 is one of them. I have a thought here and I'm 00:22:36.380 --> 00:22:39.279 trying to find in my notes. If Carson, if Carson 00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:42.640 Beck from Miami is available at the very end 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:46.740 of day two. I would I would sacrifice for that 00:22:46.740 --> 00:22:49.859 and take him, but I'm looking for any quarterback 00:22:49.859 --> 00:22:52.339 that has been developed, that has been kind of 00:22:52.339 --> 00:22:55.539 flagged. by a scout already as needs at least 00:22:55.539 --> 00:22:59.140 a year of development. There's not going to be 00:22:59.140 --> 00:23:00.759 immediate pressure to play this person this year. 00:23:00.859 --> 00:23:02.640 There's not going to be organizational pressure 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:04.680 to play this person this year. And by the way, 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:06.900 I'm a big fan of that. Like I'm all for the red 00:23:06.900 --> 00:23:09.980 shirt year. I think you learn a lot. And especially 00:23:09.980 --> 00:23:12.140 as this team is undergoing so much transition 00:23:12.140 --> 00:23:14.200 with a guy like Frank Reich now in the fold that 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:16.099 you could sit with and chew up film with every 00:23:16.099 --> 00:23:18.400 day. That's my play. So we've addressed quarterback, 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:21.519 we moved that to the side. I think the only non 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:24.240 -negotiable is your very first pick. Pick number 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:27.500 two. You have to draft the best defensive edge 00:23:27.500 --> 00:23:32.299 available. I think it's going to be David Bailey 00:23:32.299 --> 00:23:37.740 and I think you have to take him. I have visions 00:23:37.740 --> 00:23:41.680 of John Abraham, you know, in my teenage years 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:45.240 for the Jets and that's what I want. Once that's 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:49.900 off the board, I think it is a hodgepodge of 00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:55.960 line on offense, biggest emphasis, line on defense, 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:02.299 second biggest emphasis, defensive back. I can't 00:24:02.299 --> 00:24:05.779 envision a scenario where we get through an entire 00:24:05.779 --> 00:24:08.359 draft after the Jets just got rid of Sauce Gardener, 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.900 where Aaron Glenn doesn't want to pick a defensive 00:24:11.900 --> 00:24:15.599 back to try to mold, but I also know that as 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:19.740 far as depth goes, the first round value in defensive 00:24:19.740 --> 00:24:22.500 backs this year is not super high. And I'd much 00:24:22.500 --> 00:24:25.059 rather go with slam dunks early where you know 00:24:25.059 --> 00:24:27.160 you're going to get immediate value add. And 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:31.259 I don't like to give, there's a lot that the 00:24:31.259 --> 00:24:33.319 mainstream sports media gets wrong, but I want 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:36.299 to give the Yahoo team that's doing their draft 00:24:36.299 --> 00:24:38.279 analysis a little bit of credit. One of the things 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:40.740 they said actually earlier today about the Jets 00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:45.259 was if they handle, if they just do what they 00:24:45.259 --> 00:24:48.779 should, There are four starters that will be 00:24:48.779 --> 00:24:50.460 staring them in the face with their first four 00:24:50.460 --> 00:24:54.940 picks. If you can add a starter at four different 00:24:54.940 --> 00:24:58.000 positions in the first two rounds of the draft, 00:24:58.619 --> 00:25:02.759 don't outsmart yourself. Agreed. I hope that 00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:05.440 gives it a nice concise look. You know, I've 00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:07.539 heard some people talk about Mackay Lemon, like, 00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:09.799 oh, if Lemon's there, pick 16, he could be great. 00:25:10.299 --> 00:25:12.960 I'm really high on how the Jets receivers ended 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:16.839 last season. Call me crazy. But no, and I think 00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:20.619 you've got a legit number two potential in a 00:25:20.619 --> 00:25:23.259 D Mitchell for sure. I mean, for sure. And I 00:25:23.259 --> 00:25:25.869 think it's a why it's a Listen, the Bills fans 00:25:25.869 --> 00:25:27.750 have been studying this wide receiver class up 00:25:27.750 --> 00:25:30.809 and down since Joe Brady got the head coach job. 00:25:31.150 --> 00:25:34.089 And it is a deep wide receiver class, you're 00:25:34.089 --> 00:25:37.250 going to find production and value on days two 00:25:37.250 --> 00:25:40.150 and even three of this particular draft. I mean, 00:25:40.349 --> 00:25:43.049 a kid like Malachi fields from Notre Dame, who 00:25:43.049 --> 00:25:44.890 some have been mocked in the late first round, 00:25:44.970 --> 00:25:46.970 others have been going in the third round because 00:25:46.970 --> 00:25:50.589 of the the 40 speed that he is predicted to clock 00:25:50.589 --> 00:25:52.849 or has already clocked it as pro day, there's 00:25:52.849 --> 00:25:54.890 going to be ball winners like that that you can 00:25:54.890 --> 00:25:57.750 get big power slots that you can put next to 00:25:57.750 --> 00:25:59.650 Mitchell and Wilson, there's going to be a lot 00:25:59.650 --> 00:26:02.029 there. I think I think what you're saying is 00:26:02.029 --> 00:26:05.349 correct build from the line and then move use 00:26:05.349 --> 00:26:07.529 your late early on and then use the remainder 00:26:07.529 --> 00:26:10.329 of your draft capital to build out into the skill 00:26:10.329 --> 00:26:13.630 positions there. It's not a It's not a generational 00:26:13.630 --> 00:26:16.470 talent type of draft, but there are a lot of 00:26:16.470 --> 00:26:18.710 teams that are going to be really, really good 00:26:18.710 --> 00:26:22.230 and find really productive players in this year's 00:26:22.230 --> 00:26:24.750 draft all up and down each day. I mean, it's 00:26:24.750 --> 00:26:26.609 going to be, this is where franchises really 00:26:26.609 --> 00:26:29.170 do find their high floor and a lot of great building 00:26:29.170 --> 00:26:31.150 blocks. And you guys are positioned perfectly 00:26:31.150 --> 00:26:33.490 for it, which infuriates the crap out of me as 00:26:33.490 --> 00:26:35.430 we give up a second round pick for DJ Moore. 00:26:35.710 --> 00:26:40.059 But yeah, I want to give. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, 00:26:40.259 --> 00:26:43.700 which I don't, I don't necessarily mind. It's 00:26:43.700 --> 00:26:45.539 basically like a third round pick, but I'm like, 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.140 come on, like being has to nail this draft and 00:26:48.140 --> 00:26:50.220 he's giving up opportunities to do so. So yeah, 00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:51.880 anyways, this is not about us. This is about 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:54.599 you. Sorry. You know, it's funny. It's all relative 00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:56.900 because when you, when you think about the four 00:26:56.900 --> 00:26:59.440 teams in this division in totality, if you're 00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:01.920 not getting better, you're getting worse. And 00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:04.319 someone in this division is, you know, we're 00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:07.339 talking about four Markets, even if Buffalo isn't 00:27:07.339 --> 00:27:10.079 as big a market as a Miami or a New York or a 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:13.240 Boston, don't tell that to their fans. At the 00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:17.119 pressure, there's constant pressure to maximize 00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:20.259 for all four of these teams. It's not like some 00:27:20.259 --> 00:27:22.140 of the other divisions where it's like you're 00:27:22.140 --> 00:27:23.779 trying to keep up with the Joneses. It's no, 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:26.819 you're trying to constantly show your fan base 00:27:26.819 --> 00:27:30.460 that you're going for it. You know, I think by 00:27:30.460 --> 00:27:33.900 virtue of the Bills turning it over and trying 00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:37.000 to do some stability themselves. And the Dolphins, 00:27:37.220 --> 00:27:40.180 to my shock, honestly, Dan, like they made the 00:27:40.180 --> 00:27:41.859 Malik Willis signing, which is what I thought 00:27:41.859 --> 00:27:44.740 the Jets wanted to do. And the Jets, to their 00:27:44.740 --> 00:27:47.220 credit, were able to quickly pivot to Gino. But 00:27:47.220 --> 00:27:49.740 then like right after signing Malik Willis, the 00:27:49.740 --> 00:27:52.819 Dolphins fire -sailed their whole team. So the 00:27:52.819 --> 00:27:57.460 Jets have an opportunity to benefit greatly while 00:27:57.460 --> 00:28:01.740 other teams are just trying to kind of maintain. 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:06.000 And it makes things honestly, I'm thrilled that 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.599 you mentioned the Bills because the 26th season, 00:28:09.619 --> 00:28:13.319 in my opinion, is much more interesting for the 00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:15.319 Jets, not just because of what they're trying 00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:18.119 to do, but what's happening the rest of the league 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:21.599 around them. And that includes an embarrassing 00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:24.539 Super Bowl loss by the Patriots. That, I mean, 00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:27.680 and we are, we are sadly not doing a friends 00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:29.619 of the pod episode with Brandon this off season. 00:28:29.819 --> 00:28:31.920 We will have them on at some point. Right. So 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:34.160 we have been actually filling in a lot of the 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:36.980 Patriots commentary for him, which sorry, Brandon, 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:38.900 if you don't come on the pod, uh, you know, you 00:28:38.900 --> 00:28:40.740 lose the opportunity to defend your boys, but, 00:28:41.299 --> 00:28:45.279 uh, it was. I don't think the Patriots. So let's, 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:47.220 let's take all of this into context. Cause you, 00:28:47.220 --> 00:28:49.099 you have a really nice segue here in a discussion 00:28:49.099 --> 00:28:50.920 about the division, which I want to get into. 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:55.240 So it is. coaching turnover, complete coaching 00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:58.519 turnover now at all four teams, right? With McDaniel 00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:00.559 being out of Miami this year, McDermott being 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.779 out of Buffalo this off season as well. Over 00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:06.559 the course of 18 months, you now have four new 00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.420 head coaches in a division that used to carry 00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:12.779 Belichick, McDermott, like some of the stalwarts 00:29:12.779 --> 00:29:15.279 in the division, you know what I mean? Even Salah, 00:29:15.420 --> 00:29:18.799 I think you could argue had a pretty long tenure. 00:29:19.069 --> 00:29:21.809 by jet standards in New York, given everything 00:29:21.809 --> 00:29:23.650 that goes on with your guys franchise, right? 00:29:24.410 --> 00:29:27.309 But the Patriots coming off of a Super Bowl, 00:29:27.869 --> 00:29:31.410 it does not feel like they are the ones being 00:29:31.410 --> 00:29:33.210 hunted in the division to the point that you 00:29:33.210 --> 00:29:36.769 made. I think that particular postseason run 00:29:36.769 --> 00:29:39.849 and listen, I have a lot of Patriots fans that 00:29:39.849 --> 00:29:43.309 every time I even mentioned something slightly 00:29:43.309 --> 00:29:45.369 critical of Drake May and his play. They're like, 00:29:45.589 --> 00:29:47.849 we show nothing, Josh Allen, but respect because 00:29:47.849 --> 00:29:49.750 we respect him. Why can't you respect our guys? 00:29:49.809 --> 00:29:51.390 I'm like, all right, pump your brakes. Okay. 00:29:51.829 --> 00:29:54.710 Drake May is fine. But what you saw towards the 00:29:54.710 --> 00:29:58.349 end of that season, when the schedule got tougher, 00:29:58.670 --> 00:30:00.869 which is the type of schedule that the Buffalo 00:30:00.869 --> 00:30:03.609 Bills played all season, we played Houston on 00:30:03.609 --> 00:30:06.049 the regular season, right? We played Philadelphia 00:30:06.049 --> 00:30:09.500 on the regular season, not the giants, not the 00:30:09.500 --> 00:30:12.019 Titans. You know what I mean? Like when the schedule 00:30:12.019 --> 00:30:16.640 got tough, that is a team that was very, very 00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:18.920 limited. And that was a QB that didn't just look 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.519 like he hadn't been there before. All of the 00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:23.720 things that were in his scouting report coming 00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:26.799 out of the draft reared their head again. So 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:29.240 not to say that Drake may is like a regression 00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.000 candidate or anything like that, but I do think 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:36.019 there was some inflation of progress. for that 00:30:36.019 --> 00:30:38.859 particular team and that particular QB that I 00:30:38.859 --> 00:30:40.799 think teams are going to key in on this year 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:44.039 as their schedule gets tougher. So I like what 00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:47.519 the Patriots have done. But the division does 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:51.759 feel wide open again. And this may be this may 00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:55.259 be a little bit crazy. But like, we just saw 00:30:55.259 --> 00:30:57.640 the Patriots go from a four win team to the Super 00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:01.059 Bowl. depending on what the Jets do in the draft, 00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:04.859 could they be a sneaky playoff team in your estimation 00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:06.980 this season of everything? Thank you. Thank you 00:31:06.980 --> 00:31:08.640 so much for not asking me if they were going 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:10.059 to be a Super Bowl team, because I would have 00:31:10.059 --> 00:31:12.079 looked at you like, no, God, no, no, they're 00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.119 not. No. If Geno Smith makes a Super Bowl before 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:17.859 Josh Allen, I quit football. I'm done. I'm good. 00:31:18.259 --> 00:31:21.400 So here's here's what I do think, though. I think 00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:24.940 that. You know, the Bills have defensive problems. 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:28.500 The bills like God, the bills now. the Bills 00:31:28.500 --> 00:31:31.839 have, in my opinion, they got the best defensive 00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:34.680 coordinator available in terms of upside. I love 00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:36.380 Jim Lettard and I wanted him to come back to 00:31:36.380 --> 00:31:38.940 the Jets, but I could also understand why, you 00:31:38.940 --> 00:31:40.619 know, if your boss is going to be someone that 00:31:40.619 --> 00:31:42.480 wants to call all the plays and was also a defensive 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:44.160 back, I could understand why that's not going 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:48.200 to work itself out. If the Jets can shore up 00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:50.500 their defensive problems, a lot of these AFC 00:31:50.500 --> 00:31:52.759 games become winnable again. To your point about 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:56.809 the Patriots, they couldn't beat teams that played 00:31:56.809 --> 00:32:02.589 good defense. So this all of a sudden, can you 00:32:02.589 --> 00:32:04.549 steal one from the Patriots? Can you steal one 00:32:04.549 --> 00:32:10.109 from the Bills? And I mean, if the Jets, it's 00:32:10.109 --> 00:32:13.490 a crazy way to look at this, but if the Jets 00:32:13.490 --> 00:32:16.789 steal two more conference games this past year, 00:32:17.069 --> 00:32:21.009 they're a six -win team. Right. So I mean, the 00:32:21.009 --> 00:32:24.049 way I look at it, I now kind of go to, okay, 00:32:24.220 --> 00:32:26.819 we're going to set the bar at a six to seven 00:32:26.819 --> 00:32:31.119 win season. I think in my opinion, the only good 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:33.400 thing about a 17 game regular season is you can't 00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:35.599 go 500 anymore unless you try really hard with 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:38.559 the tie. I know, seriously. The tie is the only 00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:44.680 way. To me, the peak of what I think the Jets 00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:47.079 are capable of is somewhere in the nine to 10 00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:50.079 range and a wild card sneak in. But by the way, 00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:53.559 that was enough this year. for a wild card sneak 00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:58.220 in. So is it possible? Yes. But what I would 00:32:58.220 --> 00:33:03.420 say right after that is even if that's not probable 00:33:03.420 --> 00:33:08.180 coming, even sniffing that puts me as a Jets 00:33:08.180 --> 00:33:11.539 fan in the ease of they really are following 00:33:11.539 --> 00:33:13.880 the lion's trajectory. Aaron Glenn really is 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:16.799 the right coach for this team. And, you know, 00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:19.500 and here we go. Right. I mean, if you guys go, 00:33:19.539 --> 00:33:22.759 if you guys become a seven, eight, even nine 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.279 win team. And I mean, listen, Miami is going 00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:26.819 to be what it's going to be. We talk, we talked 00:33:26.819 --> 00:33:30.700 to Steve already. He is, uh, he is coping with 00:33:30.700 --> 00:33:33.880 hope as I like to say about his fins. Right. 00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:35.680 Um, I'm going to ask you a question here to, 00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:37.900 to wrap this up that, that you'll be, you'll 00:33:37.900 --> 00:33:40.319 be, you'll find his answer hilarious too. Um, 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:44.420 it was great. But, um, but like two wins against 00:33:44.420 --> 00:33:48.779 Miami is not so unreasonable. Again, I. I don't 00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:50.519 know what the Patriots are going to be. I don't 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:52.180 think they're going to fall off the face of the 00:33:52.180 --> 00:33:56.039 earth like a lot of teams do. But I mean, we 00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:58.579 saw this with the Cincinnati Bengals where they 00:33:58.579 --> 00:34:00.519 beat the Chiefs a few years back. They make a 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:03.299 Super Bowl. They get one more good playoff run 00:34:03.299 --> 00:34:06.099 and they've been an absolute like They've been 00:34:06.099 --> 00:34:08.679 an absolute limbo as a franchise ever since not 00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:10.659 being able to figure a lot of things out, because 00:34:10.659 --> 00:34:13.139 eventually the quarterback had to be paid. He 00:34:13.139 --> 00:34:15.300 had a wide receiver to that needed to be paid. 00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:17.019 Right. And there's only so much team building 00:34:17.019 --> 00:34:19.340 you can do. Now, I think the Patriots will be 00:34:19.340 --> 00:34:21.599 are a far better run organization than the Bengals 00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:24.179 are. But you have a lot of examples in recent 00:34:24.179 --> 00:34:28.039 history where the Super Bowl loser. um, from 00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.300 a previous year, they really struggle in the 00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:32.380 following season and following couple of seasons. 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:34.679 Again, I don't think that's going to happen to 00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.159 new England, but let's say you win two against 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.460 Miami, you steal one against the Patriots. All 00:34:39.460 --> 00:34:41.519 of a sudden you've got three wins in division 00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:44.679 and the bills. are vulnerable defensively this 00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:46.420 year, nothing to do with Leonard and the way 00:34:46.420 --> 00:34:48.000 he's going to coach, but everything to do with 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.619 the personnel build out. Me and JJ have been 00:34:50.619 --> 00:34:52.719 saying, it's going to take two years to get this 00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:55.139 defense to where they needed to be personnel 00:34:55.139 --> 00:34:57.539 wise to fully execute this scheme. I don't think 00:34:57.539 --> 00:35:00.219 people fully understand how much of McDermott's 00:35:00.219 --> 00:35:02.860 DNA is still on this roster, particularly along 00:35:02.860 --> 00:35:05.599 the defensive line. And it's going to take time 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.539 and resources to turn that over successfully. 00:35:09.659 --> 00:35:12.639 You guys steal one from the Bills too. Four wins 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.260 in division, right? That puts you in pretty good 00:35:15.260 --> 00:35:18.800 place. And you're playing with a last place schedule 00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:23.159 as well. In the ultimate league of parody. And 00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:26.380 it's funny, this is all things that I'm thinking 00:35:26.380 --> 00:35:30.559 about that like, you know, you've heard me repeatedly 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:32.739 as Jets fans over the last few years have tried 00:35:32.739 --> 00:35:34.480 to convince themselves that their team is great. 00:35:34.780 --> 00:35:37.519 Be like, get that noise out of here. But now 00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.579 here I am. where they don't look that great on 00:35:40.579 --> 00:35:43.539 paper. And here I am going, they have a real 00:35:43.539 --> 00:35:46.420 shot at having the youngest defense in the conference. 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:50.039 And every player on the defense that isn't young 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:54.000 is legitimately on a revenge mission. And this 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:58.300 could be like an island of misfit toys sort of 00:35:58.300 --> 00:36:00.599 vibe. And I'm - It could be very interesting. 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:04.380 Yeah. I'm excited about it. Yeah, for sure. So 00:36:04.380 --> 00:36:06.599 you think nine wins, you think that's the ceiling 00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.239 for this crew this year? Yeah, I would give you 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:13.699 a ceiling of nine. I really do think the floor 00:36:13.699 --> 00:36:17.480 is six, so I think they could hit six very realistically 00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.380 and I'd be fine if they hit nine. Oh my god, 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:22.159 I'm gonna have to go buy some memorabilia again. 00:36:22.489 --> 00:36:25.369 just fix that interior offensive line and give 00:36:25.369 --> 00:36:27.510 Gino all the time in the world he needs behind 00:36:27.510 --> 00:36:29.230 the line of scrimmage and you'll get the best 00:36:29.230 --> 00:36:31.469 of what's left out of him I would imagine. So 00:36:31.469 --> 00:36:34.449 it's yeah, there's some there's some sneaky potential 00:36:34.449 --> 00:36:36.650 for you guys to be super interesting. All right. 00:36:36.670 --> 00:36:38.909 We have gone all over the place with the run 00:36:38.909 --> 00:36:40.789 of show we had and I've loved it. This has been 00:36:40.789 --> 00:36:43.250 super organic, but there is one I've got to get 00:36:43.250 --> 00:36:46.769 your take on. As I'd mentioned, there are four 00:36:46.769 --> 00:36:49.050 new head coaches in the AFC East now officially 00:36:49.050 --> 00:36:52.030 with, uh, with half Lee and Brady taking the 00:36:52.030 --> 00:36:54.590 reins for their respective teams. Give me how 00:36:54.590 --> 00:36:57.909 you would rank to finish up here. All four of 00:36:57.909 --> 00:37:00.489 these head coaches. All right. You've got variable. 00:37:01.170 --> 00:37:03.250 You've got half Lee Glenn, and then you've got 00:37:03.250 --> 00:37:07.619 Brady. I will tell you, Steve. Had no shame and 00:37:07.619 --> 00:37:10.440 put half Lee number one. Even the dude hasn't 00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.960 coached a single game for Miami yet. I I got 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:17.300 to tell you, Steve's optimism in the face of. 00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:20.440 All evidence to the contrary, it's it's why we 00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:24.940 love him on this podcast. Vrabel, I mean, he's 00:37:24.940 --> 00:37:27.280 variable. He should have never lost his job at 00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:29.699 Tennessee, let alone so. Yeah, no. Vrabel is 00:37:29.699 --> 00:37:32.239 number one until somebody knocks him off. Then 00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:35.760 this gets really interesting. Sure do. You know, 00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:39.480 Brady and Hathley haven't proven anything yet. 00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:41.900 But if I'm being honest with myself, neither 00:37:41.900 --> 00:37:48.239 is Glenn. I would actually probably go Vrabel, 00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:54.519 Brady, Glenn, Hathley. Now, you give this three 00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.440 weeks into the season, and this might flip around 00:37:56.440 --> 00:38:00.880 a lot. But the thing that Brady has done, that 00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:03.400 I saw, and I remember talking to you and JJ about 00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:06.909 it when it happened is, Brady took control of 00:38:06.909 --> 00:38:10.150 the bill's offense for a week after they got 00:38:10.150 --> 00:38:13.570 rid of Ken Dorsey. And even if his play calling 00:38:13.570 --> 00:38:16.670 got a little vanilla after a while and his agenda 00:38:16.670 --> 00:38:19.389 wasn't as sexy as everybody wanted it to be, 00:38:19.929 --> 00:38:23.909 it immediately solved the problems the bills 00:38:23.909 --> 00:38:30.769 were having. And there is a component of what 00:38:30.769 --> 00:38:33.940 we'll call fixedness that I value. in coaches. 00:38:34.300 --> 00:38:36.800 Can they solve whatever problem is in front of 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.019 their faces? So I'll put him at number two because 00:38:39.019 --> 00:38:40.820 he's at least proven that he can problem solve 00:38:40.820 --> 00:38:45.079 at this level. I know that Glenn has also done 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:47.880 that because he had his year where literally 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:51.980 11 Lions players were on injured reserve and 00:38:51.980 --> 00:38:55.980 he still got him to the NFC Championship game 00:38:55.980 --> 00:39:00.960 on defense. You're gonna stay at number four, 00:39:01.059 --> 00:39:02.619 especially while your team's in a total rebuild. 00:39:02.900 --> 00:39:04.619 You know, hopefully you'll have an opportunity 00:39:04.619 --> 00:39:06.460 in Miami to actually show what you can do, but 00:39:06.460 --> 00:39:08.289 it's certainly not gonna be this season. Yeah, 00:39:08.349 --> 00:39:11.070 it's not going to be this year. And he to me 00:39:11.070 --> 00:39:14.789 is the is the one that has maybe the most approved. 00:39:14.909 --> 00:39:17.349 I think he's a great defensive coordinator. I 00:39:17.349 --> 00:39:19.550 loved him at Boston, Boston College. I actually 00:39:19.550 --> 00:39:21.630 think I may have ranked him third when Steve 00:39:21.630 --> 00:39:23.630 and I were ranking it. But that was more the 00:39:23.630 --> 00:39:25.889 peer pressure that I felt from Steve and his 00:39:25.889 --> 00:39:29.389 like, joyous, like, yes, we've got like a lunch 00:39:29.389 --> 00:39:32.389 pail guy in Miami, right? Like in Halfley who 00:39:32.389 --> 00:39:34.590 Yeah. cold weather coach, like he's going to 00:39:34.590 --> 00:39:37.210 bring some defensive sensibility that organization, 00:39:37.210 --> 00:39:39.809 I think he's interesting, but I agree, maybe 00:39:39.809 --> 00:39:44.110 has the most to prove. Yeah, it variable is like 00:39:44.110 --> 00:39:46.690 heads and tails though, even if even if the Patriots 00:39:46.690 --> 00:39:49.710 fall off this year, you you've got to do a lot 00:39:49.710 --> 00:39:51.409 to convince me that variable is not going to 00:39:51.409 --> 00:39:53.349 be the best coach in that division for a very 00:39:53.349 --> 00:39:56.449 long time. He just Every in game decision is 00:39:56.449 --> 00:39:59.389 perfect. He's an excellent culture builder. He's 00:39:59.389 --> 00:40:02.449 got that perfect mix of like player accessibility, 00:40:02.769 --> 00:40:05.449 but accountability. He's got the CEO head coach 00:40:05.449 --> 00:40:08.570 thing down. You know what I mean? You know, I 00:40:08.570 --> 00:40:10.610 have joked about pretty much anyone that will 00:40:10.610 --> 00:40:12.809 listen to me about this. The worst thing that 00:40:12.809 --> 00:40:14.809 could have possibly happened to Sean McDermott 00:40:14.809 --> 00:40:18.190 this year is that the NFL started doing post 00:40:18.190 --> 00:40:21.389 game. locker room speeches, broadcasting those 00:40:21.389 --> 00:40:24.369 online, because you saw Vrabel and the energy 00:40:24.369 --> 00:40:27.269 that he brought, even the wackiness of Mike McDaniel 00:40:27.269 --> 00:40:30.409 at certain points, you know what I mean? Ben 00:40:30.409 --> 00:40:32.809 Johnson ripping off his shirt, Liam Cohen spraying 00:40:32.809 --> 00:40:35.489 water all over the place. And then you had McDermott 00:40:35.489 --> 00:40:38.489 and it did feel tight. It felt like a sermon. 00:40:38.949 --> 00:40:42.429 And it felt like it felt like players were doing 00:40:42.429 --> 00:40:44.869 their duty, not necessarily having a good time 00:40:44.869 --> 00:40:48.469 doing it. He is Vrabel is a guy that commands 00:40:48.469 --> 00:40:52.469 respect like McDermott did. But also, you could 00:40:52.469 --> 00:40:55.429 have fun while on the job with him too. And McDermott 00:40:55.429 --> 00:40:57.150 didn't bring that dimensionality to him. And 00:40:57.150 --> 00:40:59.050 I think that was on full display. And ultimately, 00:40:59.510 --> 00:41:02.050 I mean, I'm going to get into this with JJ. Ultimately, 00:41:02.090 --> 00:41:05.630 I think it was one of the things that that made 00:41:05.630 --> 00:41:08.429 it so that he was not ever able to really shake 00:41:08.429 --> 00:41:12.130 the residue of 13 seconds. And I think I think 00:41:12.329 --> 00:41:15.309 casual football fans and non -bills watchers 00:41:15.309 --> 00:41:17.789 were probably all very surprised by how much 00:41:17.789 --> 00:41:21.489 13 seconds discourse came out after he got fired 00:41:21.489 --> 00:41:25.130 and how much of a cloud that was over the organization 00:41:25.130 --> 00:41:28.889 until he left. I think what you said is extremely 00:41:28.889 --> 00:41:31.130 compelling and gives us a really unique way to 00:41:31.130 --> 00:41:35.789 end this because Aaron Glenn is Sean McDermott 00:41:35.789 --> 00:41:40.730 counterculture. Yes. So Aaron Glenn is not. Mike 00:41:40.730 --> 00:41:43.630 Fable. Aaron Glenn has not proven that he's going 00:41:43.630 --> 00:41:47.110 to out scheme you or out X's and O's you. But 00:41:47.110 --> 00:41:51.570 what Aaron Glenn is, is a legendary defensive 00:41:51.570 --> 00:41:55.730 back for the New York Jets franchise who played 00:41:55.730 --> 00:42:00.789 with a level of competitive intensity and ferocity 00:42:00.789 --> 00:42:04.389 that he wants out of his players. And I do think 00:42:04.389 --> 00:42:08.630 in the same way that Sean McDermott was able 00:42:08.630 --> 00:42:12.139 to find enough We'll call purpose oriented people 00:42:12.139 --> 00:42:13.860 that even if they got burned out down the stretch 00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:17.519 of it. They bought into what he was selling This 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:21.159 test to me in year two is are there actually 00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:24.380 enough Aaron Glenn guys out there that can match 00:42:24.380 --> 00:42:27.400 his level of intensity and kind of play with 00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:31.940 the swagger and The every like every play matters. 00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:35.800 I'm coming at you Intensity that Aaron Glenn 00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:39.539 brings which by the way, I love I mean, as a 00:42:39.539 --> 00:42:41.039 coach, I wanted that in my basketball players. 00:42:41.579 --> 00:42:45.500 So I think I vibe with Aaron Glenn more than 00:42:45.500 --> 00:42:48.119 I vibe with somebody like Sean McDermott. There 00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:50.880 is more than one way to skin a cat. But to your 00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.420 point in this league, Mike Vrabel is the gold 00:42:53.420 --> 00:42:55.800 standard right now because he does it all. Yes. 00:42:55.980 --> 00:42:59.880 So until until you prove that you can consistently 00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:03.250 beat that, your way is not the best way. For 00:43:03.250 --> 00:43:05.469 sure. And that's a perfect place to end it on, 00:43:05.570 --> 00:43:08.269 dude. I mean, speaking of doing it all, you are 00:43:08.269 --> 00:43:10.550 a father, you're a podcaster, you're a basketball 00:43:10.550 --> 00:43:14.329 guy, you're a Jets fan. And as always, we appreciate 00:43:14.329 --> 00:43:16.349 your time for coming on the pod and enlightening 00:43:16.349 --> 00:43:18.289 us with what you think is going to be happening 00:43:18.289 --> 00:43:20.630 this year in New York. We will for sure have 00:43:20.630 --> 00:43:22.610 you back on as long as you're available in the 00:43:22.610 --> 00:43:24.690 schedules work for our annual Friends of the 00:43:24.690 --> 00:43:27.559 Pod AFC East mock draft. You're going to have 00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:29.860 a lot of fun, maybe more fun than some of us 00:43:29.860 --> 00:43:31.280 that are Bill's fans. I feel like I'm going to 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:33.760 have all the airtime. Jets have infinity draft 00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:36.130 picks and everybody else has it. It's crazy. 00:43:36.130 --> 00:43:39.489 And we only do three rounds. So and you've got 00:43:39.489 --> 00:43:41.510 four picks on the first. It's just it's nuts. 00:43:41.550 --> 00:43:44.090 It's nuts. Oh, my God. But but yeah, it'll be 00:43:44.090 --> 00:43:45.989 fun when we have you back on. But as always, 00:43:46.110 --> 00:43:48.329 man, good chatting with you. All right. And for 00:43:48.329 --> 00:43:50.050 those of you listening at home, we appreciate 00:43:50.050 --> 00:43:52.429 you listening to the chat. Like, share, subscribe 00:43:52.429 --> 00:43:54.869 wherever you get your podcasts. 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