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Welcome back to the Buffalo Bread Podcast. We

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are coming back around to you now that the Buffalo

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Bills coaching hires have started coming through

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and starting with head coach, of course. And

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now we have some coordinators and different position

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group coaches are in place. Dan, it's been a

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kind of a whirlwind since we last spoke with

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everybody in Bill's Mafia with the Coach McDermott

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firing and the elevation of Brandon Bean and...

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the whole shlobknuckle that that was. Terry Pagula

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hasn't been in front of the camera again for,

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you know, for good reasons. And, you know, here

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we are looking at the offseason. And Dan, where's

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your head at these days, my friend? There's been

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a lot of positive, I think, that's come out of

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the the Brady hiring and the way the Bills have

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handled it. And there's also been like a lot

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of there's been some question marks as well.

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I think it's good for us to go into with optimism.

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here heading into the offseason based on some

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of the coaching moves that we've seen, the additions

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to the staff, particularly the coordinator additions

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that Brady has made. I also wouldn't sleep on

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some of the lower level coaches they've brought

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in, position level coaches, because it is really

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clear the Buffalo Bills are moving toward more

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of a youth movement at a lot of these coach positions.

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And I think it's in response to some stuff that

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we're going to talk about as we unpack our reaction.

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But JJ, I think there's a lot... I think it's

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fair for Bill's fans to be positive about what's

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happening, but also operate with a high level

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of skepticism based on how, you know, Bean in

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particular happens to handle the PR. He's in

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the news again for all the wrong reasons, for

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all the wrong comments that he shouldn't be making.

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And I think it does weigh a little bit in an

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outsized way heavily on ultimately what has been

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a pretty successful first couple of weeks for

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Brady individually as a new coach. Yeah, absolutely.

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I think that, you know, in some ways it almost

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like Every ounce of goodwill that Brady engenders

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in Bill's Mafia and the fan base, Bean is there

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one second later to tear it all back down and

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make us think he's an egomaniac, maniacal jerk,

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right? Wild decisions. Yeah. It's like, why are

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you saying this to people on the record, right?

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Why are you talking like this? Yeah, so it's

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interesting because I think that simultaneously

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Bill's Mafia, it's the switch happens so fast,

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right? Like Bill's Mafia, Brandon Bean is elevated,

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Joe Brady is hired after nine candidates are

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interviewed over the course of a week. And everybody

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was like, ah, you know, finally the thing to

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unite us all, everyone hates it, right? Like

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Joe Brady as coach. And literally days later,

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everyone's like. Okay, okay, okay. I guess the

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good thing about the Bills for the last two years

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has been Joe Brady's offense and their production.

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Well, let's see what this is. And people started

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kind of jumping on the bandwagon again. And then,

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you know, you have being ripping people off and

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throwing them on the dirt and spitting on them.

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But, you know, I think it's interesting because

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I'm firmly in the camp at this point in time

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of shrug, maybe, right? Like, that's where I

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live. I'm just like, okay, right? Like I... I

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recognize I'm more comfy in the waters of something

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needed to change. I was hoping it'd be Bean and

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McDermott. I think we established that on the

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previous pod very clearly. But because Bean was

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elevated and they've got Joe Brady, I'm into

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this position where I'm like, okay, change had

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to happen. This is pretty substantial change.

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I'm in like let's ride. Let's see what's gonna

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happen. It's as much change as you would expect

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Yeah from hiring a coach who's been with your

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organization for the last three or four years,

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right? Like the changes are not just marginal

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either But it's also not it's also not I think

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to the scale of bringing in a completely completely

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new regime would be But it's you know, it's honestly

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it's very reflective of the approach the bills

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have taken since being has come on board. It's

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a as balanced approach as you can imagine. They

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are going to largely keep things the same on

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offense. It looks like they're going to dramatically

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revamp the defense, which I know you want to

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get into. But JJ, let's take this chronologically,

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right? Let's start with the press conference,

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the Brady press conference with Bean. I think

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to your point, when the decision came out that

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it was going to be Joe Brady, lots of bills mafia,

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myself included was like, this is not change.

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This is being hiring someone who is going to

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challenge him less than personnel decisions.

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That was my read on it. It felt unimaginative.

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A lot of football folks thought it felt unimaginative.

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There were a lot of questions of why not hold

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out for Clint Kubiak? Well, in hindsight now,

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it looks like he was always going to Vegas and

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people knew that. felt like it felt like the

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facade of change, performative change. And we

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were left to believe that, oh, so stuff really

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is going to stay the same. The culture McDermott

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created is going to stay the same, which is good.

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They just didn't want McDermott a part of it.

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Then Brady, he comes in and honestly, dude, that

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was a winning press conference out of him. He

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did come in with a different energy and an energy,

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I think, at least from my observation, the bills

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have been lacking. Lots has come out since McDermott

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left for a reasonable and I think justified grounds

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will have support for him But then the story

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started to leak like we found out more about

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13 seconds I think than any of us have previously

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known, you know tied on who is the McDermott

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antagonist forever You know it revealed some

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interviews that he had had with McDermott where

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McDermott seemed really sensitive to all the

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credit Josh was getting for the success of this

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team and having to constantly remind people hey

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I ended the drought before Josh got here, right?

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It really did seem like a team that was weighed

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down by the rigidity of a very, very good, very

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successful coach. But when you looked around

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other locker rooms, and I think the best and

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worst thing that could have happened to Sean

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McDermott this year is the fact that the NFL

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started showing post -game coach speeches. You

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look at like Vrabel with his warrior stuff with

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the Patriots. You look at Liam Cohen, like spraying

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water around the locker room. You look at the

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shirtless jubilation of Ben Johnson in Chicago.

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And then you get McDermott's post games versus

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tough. It's like a sermon, you know, like you

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could feel the weight of expectations every time

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McDermott spoke to that team and the Brady hire

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and the feeling I got from. The first impression

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of his press conference is that it's going to

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look a lot more like Liam Cohen's vibe and Ben

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Johnson's vibe and not Sean McDermott's vibe.

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And that to me is a big change and I think probably

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a needed change for this clubhouse. I know Sean

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McDermott is not a boomer by definition, but

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he gave boomer dad energy. He's the most boomer,

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non -boomer ever. Right. He gave Boomer Dadd

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energy, his entire tenure as the coach. It never

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said anything to the media. He was very robotic,

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very rigid. We win or we learn. You know, we're

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going to get better. We're going to improve 1

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% every day. Growth mindset, you know, complimentary

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football, like all of the different tropes and

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things that he spilled out there. And I think

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that, you know, there's the sense that like,

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oh, in his last season or two seasons, he started

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to soften, show a little bit more of his emotion

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and his personality. And what I saw was the emotion

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and personality of like somebody who's like addicted

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to self -help books and has this like, you know,

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is very keyed in and researched on how to lead

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but doesn't have necessarily the natural charisma

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that you're talking about with Ben Johnson, Liam

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Cohen, like Mike Vrabel, like coaches who engender

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the real love of their players and not just the

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respect of their players. Because I think everyone

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across the board uniformly in that locker room,

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almost everybody, maybe not Keon Coleman and

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a few others who seemed to not really buy in,

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had respect for Sean McDermott. They respected

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what he built. They respected the way he was

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prepared and prepared them, but they didn't want,

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they weren't killing themselves for him. Like,

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look at the injury bug that we always point to.

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We know, and this is just me, like, talking,

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right? Like, we know nothing, but... We know

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that players around the league play with injuries

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all the time. Josh Allen is an absolute warrior.

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We also know that if somebody doesn't absolutely

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buy into what their coach is selling, it's easier

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to be like, no, I'm going to spend that time

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in the cold tub. I'm injured. I'm off. I'm out.

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Not to mention you have mega high profile stars

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like Stefan Diggs wanting their way out of the

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team after signing an extension. There's something

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to that. There's something to the fact that Sean

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McDermott doesn't have a coaching tree. They

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don't even call, you know, Dable part of the

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Sean McDermott coaching tree. Right. Many people,

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when he got the Giants job, referred to him as

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the Bill Belichick coaching tree, more than the

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Sean McDermott coaching tree, right? Because,

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mostly because I believe the coaches that Sean

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McDermott had worked, the coordinators that he'd

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worked with, weren't going out and having their

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press conferences saying, oh, I learned so much

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from Sean McDermott. You know, I'm going to instill

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that here. Even Brady. He was respectful. I thought

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he did a much better job than the organization

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at honoring what Sean McDermott had built over

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the past almost decade. Totally agree. But he

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still talked mostly about how he is a disciple

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of Sean Payton. Like he's going to, you know,

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he has these experiences, he learned so much.

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And so there's something to that. That is the

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biggest, brightest, screaming red flag I can

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point to as to why this was a proper change is

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that There wasn't anybody coming around being

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like, oh, this revolutionary coach. I think his

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discipline, his research, his preparation is

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all excellent. And he probably will be coaching

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somewhere in the league after a year off. But

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I don't know if I think like you mentioned in

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a text message, does he never return to head

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coaching? Does he just become an excellent defensive

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coordinator? Like a lot of Leslie Frazier, he

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had his shot. He had a team for a long time.

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He had some great success. But what he proved

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was that his leadership style, his CEO style

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is not the kind that unifies or brings an organization

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together and makes people buy in. I think that

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that's the biggest problem is we had former players,

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Jerry Hughes, others are talking about how, you

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know, this is long overdue. I noticed on Eric

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Wood's, Eric Wood is an employee of the Buffalo

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Bills. And on a recent podcast. somebody wrote

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in a fan question or something like, what was

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an experience you had with a head coach? Because

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you had so many. He brought up Rex Ryan as his

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favorite pregame speech head coach. And he played

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for a season and a half with Sean McDermott.

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So it's the kind of thing where I'm just like,

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there's too much smoke for there not to be fire.

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Sean McDermott either didn't have the locker

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room, had it, and then they lost faith in him

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as the years went on and the failures piled up.

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I remember us talking quite a bit about the Tyler

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Dunn piece and how much that made sense. That

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anonymous sources were like, oh, whenever it

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gets super hard, he gets anxious and everything

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crumbles, right? Year over year that happening.

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is too much. 33 points, 27 points, 33, you know,

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like all of the scores against his vaunted Sean

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McDermott defense. It was high time for a change.

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And I'm very excited to talk about the massive,

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massive overhaul to the defense specifically.

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Yeah, without a doubt. And I think that is the

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thing that has been most striking outside of

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the starkly different tone that Brady looked

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to set out it as. Opening press conference in

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the subsequent press interview since like he

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seems like a really positive energetic Charismatic

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guy. We know he's got Scheme shops, even though

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we disagree with some of the play calling tendencies

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and I'm sure there's gonna be more of that this

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year, right? But for the most part what seemed

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like a move that brought with it little to no

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change to me actually does feel like a pretty

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big change that we had this guy here in the building

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that had these philosophies that had this sort

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of very targeted vision for how he would lead

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this organization at the coaching level and I

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think the bills Realistically were scared of

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losing him And you can see with some of the coaching

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hires he's made, I think this is a great time

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to get into that. Why the bills not the hire

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will justify itself based on whether or not he

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wins, but you can see why the bills were scared

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to let him out of the building because the dude

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really does have a complete and I would say somewhat

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complex, like nuanced vision for how he wants

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to build out this team. I'm sure he has thoughts

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on the roster, but based on what we've seen with

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the coaching hires, JJ, I mean, it's even on

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offense, it's not going to be the same as I think

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we have seen in years past. So where do you want

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to start? Because the Bills have made a lot of

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moves, special teams. offensive line, OCDC. You

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want to start with the coordinators, I assume.

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You want to start with Leonard or do you want

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to start with Carmichael? I think we should start

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with Carmichael because it's the most organic

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flow from you have an offensive head coach, Joe

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Brady, who has led this offense for two and a

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half years and who is carrying this offense forward

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with play calling responsibilities, who then

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brought in Pete Carmichael, who has been Sean

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Payton's complete right -hand man from his time

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with the Saints, and then on up to the Broncos.

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Was he the QB coach there? I don't think he was

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a senior offensive assistant. He was OC with

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the Broncos. He was OC? Okay. Yeah. Who takes

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a, that's a surprising thing to me, I guess.

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He takes a lateral move to come to the Bills,

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just to probably work with Josh Allen, right?

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Like, I think that that's the draw there. Oh,

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sorry, no, he was an OC, you're right. He was

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QB coach in passing game core. Yeah, I thought

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he had like a senior assistant coach or something

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like that. He did. He was OC, I apologize, he

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was OC in New Orleans. Yeah, for Drew Brees through,

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you know, I think he had a 5 ,000 yard pass or

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four consecutive seasons with Drew Brees. So

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he knows something about designing an offense

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that his head coach is going to call because

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Sean Payton has always been the caller, right?

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And so I really like the hire. I think that his

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chops are in the fact that even after Drew Brees

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retired, the Saints still had some productive

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years while they were trying to smash it together

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with you know, hodgepodge pieces at QB and skill

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positions. And for that, I think he also has

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had the experience of, you know, Alvin Kamara

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in his backfield. He's got James Cook now, somewhat

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of a similar style in the way they attack the

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run and catching passes. So I expect running

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back pass catching to go way up, right? There's

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a lot of different nuances. So I think, I mean,

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that hire for me was excellent. in terms of providing

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somebody who's not just an assistant or secretary

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to the head coach who's the play caller, which

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I think you see sometimes with these offensive

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OCs, it's the Eric B. enemy, right? Like, didn't

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get any other opportunities for a super long

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time because nobody really respected the work

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he did. I don't think this is that case. Yeah,

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no, I agree. And I think with Carmichael too,

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what you get, especially because he was the first...

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Big domino to be added to fall to be added to

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the staff. You've seen what Brady has added since

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a lot of guys from the college game, a lot of

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guys in their early to mid thirties. Like this

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is a, it's a group of very young, energetic coaches.

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Carmichael seems like he's not just going to

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be Brady's right -hand man, but he is going to

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be kind of like the statesman of that coaching

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room. Right? Like that's the guy who's been to

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super bowls. That's the guy who's been through

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every playoff situation. You can possibly. Imagine

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he seems like he's going to be sort of the the

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course corrector Should things go a little bit

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too far one way or the other with it's not an

00:16:01.250 --> 00:16:03.970
it's not an experienced coaching staff per se

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But it is a a staff where there are a lot of

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guys that are new to this level of coaching in

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the NFL Carmichael to me seems like not just

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a great fit for Brady and what he wants to install

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for an offense But he's also going to be I think

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like I said an elder statesman, so to speak,

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on this group of, outside of him, relatively

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young and untested coaches. Yeah, absolutely.

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I think there's a piece of that that is, like

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you said, kind of like a steadying body in the

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room, somebody who's got so much experience that

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it's sort of like when McDermott took over and

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had Frazier come in as a DC who had head coaching

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experience, like P. Carmichael has not been a

00:16:42.409 --> 00:16:46.220
head coach in the NFL, but that level of... time

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on task accrued seasons of high level, you know,

00:16:50.059 --> 00:16:52.019
production is something that I think Joe Brady

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can lean on and Joe Brady knows him well. I think

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that's the other piece. Yeah. So that's, I mean,

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I'm really excited about that, that pickup. The

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new offensive line coach, because I think it's,

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we have to mention right now, the retirement

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of Aaron Cromer is potentially the biggest, like

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maybe the biggest hurdle that this offense is

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going to have to overcome in the coming year.

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other than, you know, pending free agents on

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the offensive line and things of that nature

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is having the one of the best coaches, if not

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the best offensive line mind in the league taking

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retirement, which he's well deserved. He's had

00:17:23.509 --> 00:17:27.930
a great career. And then the line coach from

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the Steelers whose name is remind me. Oh, God,

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I haven't pulled up here. Hang on. Yeah. Because

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it's not on the Bills website yet. It's not made

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official. I don't think his contract has been

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finalized. I don't think it's been finalized

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either. It's a Schefter report at the current

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time. Yes, Bills offensive line coach. Ryan.

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I want to say it's Smith, which I know is wrong.

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Which I know is wrong. Pat Meyer, there we go.

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Pat Meyer. Yeah, so Pat Meyer who, you know.

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Spend time with Cromer. Yeah, spend time with

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Cromer at two different stops, which I think

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is you spent time with the LA Rams and with the

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Bills, has a familiarity with the Bills organization,

00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:09.680
has worked for them in the past. So I think that

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that's a, you know, it's solid. I'm hopeful,

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but it's really hard to know until we get, you

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know, snaps on tape in the regular season. We

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won't know how big of a drop off that is with

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the development of the talent. Well, and not

00:18:23.180 --> 00:18:24.960
just the development of the talent, because listen,

00:18:25.220 --> 00:18:29.660
we began to the Bills. God, I will, I will mire

00:18:29.660 --> 00:18:31.960
myself in this history for forever. It took them

00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:34.460
so long to get the offensive line right after

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so many resources spent on it. Kind of like the

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defensive line situation we're going through

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right now. Right now, yes. Right, this very moment.

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But when they got it right... Kroemer didn't

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just develop the talent I think we're gonna find

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out how involved he was in the install the run

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scheme because there there have been murmurs

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that and this would be this would be the scary

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Situate scariest situation imaginable for the

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bills is that Kroemer was responsible for the

00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:04.000
run install Brady was responsible for the passing

00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:07.579
game Right. So we're gonna find that out real

00:19:07.579 --> 00:19:10.279
quick as Brady maintains play calling how much

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of a how much of a role not just Kroemer had

00:19:13.829 --> 00:19:16.369
in the development of the talent and the steadying

00:19:16.369 --> 00:19:18.230
of that offensive line. But we're going to see

00:19:18.230 --> 00:19:19.970
real quick if there's a drop off in this run

00:19:19.970 --> 00:19:23.089
game, what impact Aaron Kroemer really had. Yeah.

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And I think you're right that there's something

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terrifying about that. The best thing about this

00:19:27.430 --> 00:19:29.910
offense might have just walked out the door into

00:19:29.910 --> 00:19:32.589
the sunset and retirement. And what we're left

00:19:32.589 --> 00:19:36.049
with is whip screens in the passing game and

00:19:36.049 --> 00:19:38.509
no wide receiver talent or connection or chemistry

00:19:38.509 --> 00:19:41.230
in the passing game. We'll get to that when we

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talk about being for sure. Yeah, so yeah, I think

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that that's that's the yet to be seen how the

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offensive line offensive coaches come together

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I know that a lot of the offensive staff is sticking

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in terms of you know Rob Boris looks like Rob

00:19:55.819 --> 00:19:58.480
Boris is staying at tight ends Ron Curry is looking

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to stay at quarterbacks and then they have a

00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:05.940
couple other player former players running running

00:20:05.940 --> 00:20:09.380
back Kelly skipper is the coach there and so

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I'm interested in to see how that goes Are they

00:20:13.230 --> 00:20:14.970
keeping are they keeping skippers running back

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coach? I mean his profile is still on the website

00:20:17.710 --> 00:20:21.069
right now So so that I mean, I guess I don't

00:20:21.069 --> 00:20:23.910
hate that but like they got to figure out that

00:20:23.910 --> 00:20:26.230
running back rotation Yeah, like if I see James

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Cook out on second downs again, I'm gonna lose

00:20:28.430 --> 00:20:32.769
my FM Yeah, um, I know you I know you want to

00:20:32.769 --> 00:20:35.339
get to Leonard but real quick do you I know And

00:20:35.339 --> 00:20:37.299
I'm going to like I'm going to give you the give

00:20:37.299 --> 00:20:40.480
you the floor for that one. Jeff Rogers, special

00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:42.619
teams coach for the Buffalo Bills. This is one

00:20:42.619 --> 00:20:46.000
I didn't like. So he is coming from from Arizona.

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His biggest claim to fame is that he has had

00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:53.160
multiple years of having excellent return units,

00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:56.559
but middle of the pack. coverage units. So that's

00:20:56.559 --> 00:20:58.079
the thing that you worry about with the change

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there is his tracker. I mean, he's been a special

00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:03.000
teams coordinator for like 10 or 11 years and

00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:05.680
including he's survived two or three coaching

00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:08.920
changes in Arizona. which is hard to do when

00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:11.140
a brand new regime comes in. You have to have

00:21:11.140 --> 00:21:14.279
your chops underneath you to stick as a coordinator

00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:16.119
when a brand new coach comes in because they

00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:17.619
all have relationships. They all know people

00:21:17.619 --> 00:21:20.180
around the league that they trust. But his play,

00:21:20.259 --> 00:21:22.839
his tape proved it to these new coaches. And

00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:25.640
so I think that's a good get. It's the kind of

00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:28.430
thing where It's not the same as the bills promoting,

00:21:28.430 --> 00:21:30.630
you know, assistant special teams coordinators

00:21:30.630 --> 00:21:33.089
year over year as people were taken out of their

00:21:33.089 --> 00:21:35.849
job and kicked to the curb. It's like they did

00:21:35.849 --> 00:21:38.269
last year when they brought, I've already forgotten

00:21:38.269 --> 00:21:40.309
him because he's in the Dolphins now. Chris Tabor.

00:21:40.710 --> 00:21:42.410
Yeah, it's like last year when they brought Chris

00:21:42.410 --> 00:21:45.109
Tabor in. This is a different philosophy. It's

00:21:45.109 --> 00:21:46.750
bringing somebody in who absolutely knows what

00:21:46.750 --> 00:21:48.970
they're doing and is not learning on the job.

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So, for that measure, I think it looks good.

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It's going to be interesting because I think

00:21:54.390 --> 00:21:59.910
Ray Davis, as an all -pro kick return guy, largely

00:21:59.910 --> 00:22:03.470
got to that position because of Taber's run scheme.

00:22:04.190 --> 00:22:07.609
He was basically creating zone and gap runs on

00:22:07.609 --> 00:22:11.950
the kick return for Ray Davis with a fullback,

00:22:12.230 --> 00:22:14.609
with blocking schemes. So it'll be really interesting

00:22:14.609 --> 00:22:16.730
to see if they carry that forward at all or if

00:22:16.730 --> 00:22:20.069
Ray Davis has one year of all -pro as a kick

00:22:20.069 --> 00:22:24.079
returner and then returns to... Special teams,

00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:27.500
you know, all four phases, not as big of a role.

00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:30.119
Yeah, I think this is the hire that, I think

00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:32.319
this is the hire that we're gonna, Bill's fans

00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:34.279
are gonna give the least amount of grace to if

00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:36.579
there is a drop -off in Ray Davis' production

00:22:36.579 --> 00:22:40.460
or anything like that. I mean, I've charted,

00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:42.460
because I'm in off -season mode, like what the

00:22:42.460 --> 00:22:44.599
hell else am I doing? The DVOA of the special

00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:46.880
teams for the Arizona Cardinals over the past

00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:49.799
few years. but a steady decline, man. And when

00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:53.240
the new kick rules came in, they went from I

00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:57.220
think 18th to 30th in DVOI. That doesn't feel

00:22:57.220 --> 00:23:00.240
good. Listen, proof is going to be in the put

00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:03.079
-in, obviously, but special teams coaches are

00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:04.980
one of those things I've always been like, do

00:23:04.980 --> 00:23:07.539
you coach good units? Because everybody is getting...

00:23:07.500 --> 00:23:10.680
borderline practice squad guys, second, sometimes

00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:14.000
third string guys to fill in that unit. Everyone's

00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:17.000
working with the same caliber of talent outside

00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:19.619
of your kick and punt returner on special teams.

00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:21.880
So that's something I feel like is fairly well

00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:23.819
equalized across the league. And I can just look

00:23:23.819 --> 00:23:25.680
at your metrics and I can decide if you're a

00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:27.519
good coach or not. And his metrics have been

00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:29.319
on the decline. So I don't love this one, but

00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:31.799
we'll see how it goes. Yeah, sure. Yeah. All

00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:35.799
right. Let's talk about Whoa, okay. I was gonna

00:23:35.799 --> 00:23:38.039
cue you up. Yeah, go for it. What's up? No, I'm

00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:40.440
just getting excited You just saw me shaking

00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:42.319
with anticipation. Gotcha. Oh, I thought you

00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:44.839
did this. All right, cool Big Papa Jim Leonard.

00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:46.440
I think that's what I think that's what we're

00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:49.799
gonna talk about Yeah, the thing the thing that

00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:54.720
was I think the most stark contrast to me in

00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:56.900
this press conference wasn't just Brady's energy,

00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:01.500
but he had a really clear vision for this defense

00:24:01.500 --> 00:24:04.339
and it was an energetic vision about Being able

00:24:04.339 --> 00:24:07.940
to attack, being able to put offensive coordinators

00:24:07.940 --> 00:24:12.099
and opposing QBs on their heels. Like he attacked

00:24:12.099 --> 00:24:14.279
it at the cerebral level and the on the play

00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:17.000
level. And then he backed up a lot of that vision

00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.960
and a lot of that talk, which I think is maybe

00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:22.220
one of the best coaching hires of the off -season

00:24:22.220 --> 00:24:24.920
cycle. Bringing Jim Leonard on from the Denver

00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:27.220
Broncos to be our full -time play caller and

00:24:27.220 --> 00:24:28.940
defensive coordinator on the defensive side.

00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:31.799
JJ, lots of change coming. This is not going

00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:34.599
to be the McDermott. Rush for a sit back and

00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:36.859
soft. So this is going to be a very different

00:24:36.859 --> 00:24:39.460
scheme. You have been digging into Jim Leonard

00:24:39.460 --> 00:24:42.900
tape. from his college days, from his coaching

00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:45.579
with Wisconsin. Wisconsin, yeah. Yep. From his

00:24:45.579 --> 00:24:48.400
work here in the NFL at the pro level. Where

00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:50.579
do you want to start, man? The floor is yours.

00:24:50.980 --> 00:24:53.339
Take us. Take us on a journey. So two things

00:24:53.339 --> 00:24:55.259
I think are going to be substantially different

00:24:55.259 --> 00:24:57.359
for Bill's Mafia when we start watching this

00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:01.160
defense. One is going to be the time -honored,

00:25:01.500 --> 00:25:03.019
annoying, frustrating thing we always used to

00:25:03.019 --> 00:25:05.539
say of the defense is the defense. The Sean McDermott

00:25:05.539 --> 00:25:08.369
slash Leslie Frazier defense was... built on

00:25:08.369 --> 00:25:11.490
the foundation of we can keep our same 11 on

00:25:11.490 --> 00:25:15.190
the field, play in and play out, and we're going

00:25:15.190 --> 00:25:17.470
to meet and match you and keep everything in

00:25:17.470 --> 00:25:19.390
front of us and stop, you know, big plays over

00:25:19.390 --> 00:25:20.890
the top, right? Like, and we're going to give

00:25:20.890 --> 00:25:23.430
you the underneath stuff. Well, that's the first

00:25:23.430 --> 00:25:25.269
thing that's going to change. You're going to

00:25:25.269 --> 00:25:27.710
see a lot of different packages coming on and

00:25:27.710 --> 00:25:29.970
off the field with the Jim Leonard 3 -4 defense,

00:25:29.970 --> 00:25:33.829
and you're going to see like they're not going

00:25:33.829 --> 00:25:36.069
to give you an inch. And it's going to be much

00:25:36.069 --> 00:25:38.390
more like the really frustrating defenses that

00:25:38.390 --> 00:25:40.890
the Bills have faced in critical moments with

00:25:40.890 --> 00:25:44.750
the Ravens, with the Chiefs. It's way more like

00:25:44.750 --> 00:25:47.529
that. It's the exact thing that you hope the

00:25:47.529 --> 00:25:49.809
defense doesn't do to your offense on a big third

00:25:49.809 --> 00:25:53.140
and 11. is exactly what the Bills defense under

00:25:53.140 --> 00:25:54.819
this new coordinator are going to do if they

00:25:54.819 --> 00:25:57.299
can get the pieces in place. So that's one. You're

00:25:57.299 --> 00:26:00.500
going to see more multiple combinations of players.

00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:02.220
You're going to see situations where the Bills

00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:05.160
might give a big play up because they're stuck

00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:07.380
in a personnel that's not ideal for the situation

00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:09.720
because it is very critical that you get your

00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:12.119
rotations in and out. Defense is given an option

00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.420
or an opportunity to sub players when the offense

00:26:14.420 --> 00:26:17.579
is and that's a good rule change for this defense.

00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:20.000
But there is a possibility with like a hurry

00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:21.980
up that like you can't get the guys you need

00:26:21.980 --> 00:26:24.819
out there and you have a bad matchup. So that's

00:26:24.819 --> 00:26:27.079
something to see. That's one is the swap outs.

00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:29.960
It's no longer we're going to sit with our exact

00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:33.039
nickel defense and just put players in positions

00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:35.299
to do what we want them to do. And then two,

00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:37.140
and this is the one of the things that I think

00:26:37.140 --> 00:26:40.200
is most exciting, sack production if they can

00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:43.210
again get the right people is going up. because

00:26:43.210 --> 00:26:45.930
as an odd front, they have three down linemen

00:26:45.930 --> 00:26:50.970
and then four linebackers. Two of them are outside

00:26:50.970 --> 00:26:54.369
rush linebackers who can cover, can rush, and

00:26:54.369 --> 00:26:56.650
then two inside backers can cover, can rush.

00:26:57.049 --> 00:27:01.210
The idea is that with these long, large bodied

00:27:01.210 --> 00:27:04.210
outside linebackers, you have a five man front.

00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:07.960
Every snap and you don't know who's coming who's

00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:09.900
stunting where they're twisting where they're

00:27:09.900 --> 00:27:14.119
flying to Wisconsin Jim Leonard Ran a defense

00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:17.079
that was top 25 in the nation for a decade, you

00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:19.140
know freaking hard that is in college and you

00:27:19.140 --> 00:27:21.799
have people impossible Yeah, you have people

00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:24.759
coming and going you have name and your image

00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:28.299
and likeness too. Yeah Pre -NIL, you have players

00:27:28.299 --> 00:27:30.940
coming and going, graduating, leaving, leaving

00:27:30.940 --> 00:27:33.900
for the draft. And it is, you know, he was doing

00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:37.220
this all year in and year out. He was coaching

00:27:37.220 --> 00:27:39.960
people up and developing talent. At a program

00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:42.859
that's, it's not US, well, USC is comparable,

00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.920
I guess. It's not Alabama. It's not... you know,

00:27:46.539 --> 00:27:49.380
any of the other major powerhouses. It's Wisconsin,

00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:52.940
a very good program, a storied program, but not

00:27:52.940 --> 00:27:55.720
one of the like hot and sexy SEC teams that everybody's

00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:58.940
kind of filtering through. And so... That alone,

00:27:59.380 --> 00:28:02.539
on top of Jim Leonard, our fanboy for a second,

00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:05.059
childhood hero of mine, only played for three

00:28:05.059 --> 00:28:06.960
seasons for the Bills on his second stint, but

00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.920
was awesome. Came to the Bills as an undrafted

00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:12.460
rookie free agent after being passed up in the

00:28:12.460 --> 00:28:14.039
draft because he was told he was never going

00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:16.720
to be the right size, the right speed, et cetera.

00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:20.519
But then just had a 10 or 11 year NFL career,

00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:22.819
always being counted out, but always just making

00:28:22.819 --> 00:28:26.519
plays. And I remember there was it was a bleak

00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:29.059
times in the early 2000s for Bill's fans Jim

00:28:29.059 --> 00:28:31.180
Leonard was a bright spot as a safety for a couple

00:28:31.180 --> 00:28:33.779
of seasons Awesome, dude. I want to I want to

00:28:33.779 --> 00:28:35.579
get in we're gonna have a chance to do Madden

00:28:35.579 --> 00:28:39.039
GM here after Personnel is gonna have to change.

00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:42.680
I had Oliver trade candidate So this is what

00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:45.359
I want to get to real quick, right? Like I've

00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:47.539
already kind of put some internet chum in the

00:28:47.539 --> 00:28:49.839
water for the Jim Leonard hire means these guys

00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:51.119
are going to be gone. Of course we don't know

00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.299
anything, right? We just, we want clicks and

00:28:53.299 --> 00:28:55.759
engagement and thank you threads community for

00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:57.119
doing that. You guys have been great and given

00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:00.259
us some awesome stuff. Like you and I have not

00:29:00.259 --> 00:29:03.220
had a chance to talk about it though. Who, who

00:29:03.220 --> 00:29:06.940
to you that is currently on the roster has the

00:29:06.940 --> 00:29:08.720
best shot of remaining on the roster? I'm going

00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.180
to give you some names. All right. Greg Rousseau

00:29:11.180 --> 00:29:15.150
at Oliver, Taryn Johnson. Deion Walker out of

00:29:15.150 --> 00:29:18.410
that grouping who has the best chance in your

00:29:18.410 --> 00:29:20.990
mind to remain on the squad and fit the scheme

00:29:20.990 --> 00:29:23.650
and then who are the guy who is the guy or guys

00:29:23.650 --> 00:29:29.150
that maybe don't. So I think Greg Rousseau and

00:29:29.150 --> 00:29:32.210
Deion Walker both have a have a chance to stick.

00:29:32.829 --> 00:29:36.930
So Deion Walker doesn't perfectly fit a five

00:29:36.930 --> 00:29:39.950
eye three four defensive tackle role but I think

00:29:39.950 --> 00:29:42.170
he could do it because he's more of a penetrating

00:29:42.170 --> 00:29:45.190
style rush. DT, even though he has size more

00:29:45.190 --> 00:29:48.430
like a nose. He can't play nose. He can't anchor.

00:29:49.250 --> 00:29:51.470
The Bills don't currently have a player on the

00:29:51.470 --> 00:29:54.829
roster who can anchor as a nose in a 3 -4 defense,

00:29:54.910 --> 00:29:58.289
in this attacking 3 -4 defense. So, I actually

00:29:58.289 --> 00:30:00.230
am sad that you didn't bring up TJ Sanders because

00:30:00.230 --> 00:30:02.750
he's a big question mark for me. I don't know

00:30:02.750 --> 00:30:05.170
what the heck they're going to do with him because

00:30:05.170 --> 00:30:09.450
he is not the size nor the athleticism for any

00:30:09.450 --> 00:30:11.700
of the three positions on the front. in the 3

00:30:11.700 --> 00:30:14.319
-4. But I do think that Deion Walker sticks.

00:30:14.500 --> 00:30:17.240
I think Greg Rousseau sticks because Greg Rousseau,

00:30:17.380 --> 00:30:20.000
I think it's a coin flip as to whether they shift

00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:22.720
him to outside linebacker or let him try to bulk

00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.700
up a little bit to be a 3 -4 defensive end and

00:30:25.700 --> 00:30:29.220
shade the tackle. Because I think that he plays

00:30:29.220 --> 00:30:32.160
much stronger than his weight and he always has

00:30:32.250 --> 00:30:35.589
has been that. Like, he's a lanky, bigger -framed,

00:30:35.589 --> 00:30:37.670
longer -framed guy who has a little bit more

00:30:37.670 --> 00:30:40.509
athleticism, but he's been better at anchoring

00:30:40.509 --> 00:30:43.569
against, you know, big tackles than you'd expect

00:30:43.569 --> 00:30:46.849
him to be at that size. So, I think Groot and

00:30:46.849 --> 00:30:49.210
Deanna Walker, of course, stick. I think at Oliver

00:30:49.210 --> 00:30:51.910
and Taron Johnson, I don't know where they fit

00:30:51.910 --> 00:30:55.410
or how they fit. I mean, especially with your

00:30:55.410 --> 00:30:58.769
– I mean, Taron Johnson has basically played

00:30:58.769 --> 00:31:01.549
linebacker. right, for the Buffalo Bills because

00:31:01.549 --> 00:31:03.769
of the way they stay in nickel, then they ask

00:31:03.769 --> 00:31:05.930
him to fit the run. Leonard's scheme is not going

00:31:05.930 --> 00:31:08.049
to ask him to fit the run in the same way. And

00:31:08.049 --> 00:31:11.009
he's also not going to see for the salary he

00:31:11.009 --> 00:31:14.069
is currently taking in, the amount of snap share

00:31:14.069 --> 00:31:16.589
that he has seen because the scheme is changing

00:31:16.589 --> 00:31:20.210
so much. I don't necessarily have him yet as

00:31:20.210 --> 00:31:23.450
like a pure cut candidate. I actually think him

00:31:23.450 --> 00:31:26.369
and Dawson Knox. They're going to be asked to

00:31:26.369 --> 00:31:28.089
do the Matt Milano. They're going to be asked

00:31:28.089 --> 00:31:31.210
to do the Von Miller. Like, listen, we can cut

00:31:31.210 --> 00:31:33.509
you guys. We'd prefer not to let you go, though,

00:31:33.529 --> 00:31:35.329
because of what you mean to the team. And they're

00:31:35.329 --> 00:31:37.430
going to be pay cut candidates, I think. And

00:31:37.430 --> 00:31:39.190
if they can't come to that agreement, I do think

00:31:39.190 --> 00:31:41.589
they ultimately both get cut. But yeah, yeah.

00:31:42.309 --> 00:31:44.049
Johnson, to me, is the most tenuous. Yeah, I

00:31:44.049 --> 00:31:45.990
just don't know. Do you think Taron Johnson has

00:31:45.990 --> 00:31:49.130
anything to offer as a dime safety, as a safety,

00:31:49.390 --> 00:31:51.930
as a starting safety? That's an interesting question.

00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:55.160
I, you and I have talked about like the inevitability

00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:58.380
of Taron Johnson going over to safety. I think

00:31:58.380 --> 00:32:02.579
the instincts are still there, right? But the

00:32:02.579 --> 00:32:04.319
ability, the ability, like you're talking about

00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:06.940
him playing free safety, like can he play mycahide?

00:32:07.259 --> 00:32:09.980
Can he play side to side? Can he play deep? Can

00:32:09.980 --> 00:32:12.299
you read and react and can he pass cover? And

00:32:12.299 --> 00:32:16.240
like, listen, man, his run fits were bad is a,

00:32:16.539 --> 00:32:20.079
Is a nickel, is a nickel DB this year. Like his

00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.460
past coverage was bad too. Like he just had a

00:32:22.460 --> 00:32:24.880
hard time staying sticky on guys. Maybe with

00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:26.839
a little bit more time to read and react from

00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:29.779
center field, he can be a reliable safety net.

00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:32.099
But to me, I think you've got to, you've got

00:32:32.099 --> 00:32:33.680
to swing for that in the draft. You got to go

00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:36.940
for like a Bud Clark. You got to go for, is it

00:32:36.940 --> 00:32:40.269
a Genesis Rodriguez, the kid out of. Wisconsin,

00:32:40.369 --> 00:32:41.890
I don't know, I'm still getting into my draft

00:32:41.890 --> 00:32:44.430
prep, but you got to go with someone who can

00:32:44.430 --> 00:32:47.490
play true center field. You really need to find

00:32:47.490 --> 00:32:50.230
your mic to hide. And I think it would be respectful

00:32:50.230 --> 00:32:52.549
to Taron to give him that opportunity, but I

00:32:52.549 --> 00:32:55.369
think you are setting yourself back in a year

00:32:55.369 --> 00:32:57.470
where clearly you need to go all in with this

00:32:57.470 --> 00:32:59.569
new scheme to get the most out of it. I think

00:32:59.569 --> 00:33:01.349
I'd prefer to see him as a cut, because I just

00:33:01.349 --> 00:33:03.309
don't think he's got much, I don't think he's

00:33:03.309 --> 00:33:05.490
got more viability than a rookie candidate in

00:33:05.490 --> 00:33:07.750
that particular role. I also don't think that

00:33:07.769 --> 00:33:12.130
safety, deep third free safety that this defense

00:33:12.130 --> 00:33:14.589
relies upon for the center of the field closed

00:33:14.589 --> 00:33:17.990
coverages that Jim Leonard will roll out is not

00:33:17.990 --> 00:33:20.430
an impossibility to get even with the bill's

00:33:20.430 --> 00:33:24.049
restricted salary cap. You can get a mid to late

00:33:24.049 --> 00:33:28.289
20s quality safety who can play that role on

00:33:28.289 --> 00:33:30.539
the free agent market. even late in the free

00:33:30.539 --> 00:33:32.299
agent market, post June 1, like there's probably

00:33:32.299 --> 00:33:33.859
going to be somebody floating out there. Right.

00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:35.500
I'd rather take a flower in one of them. Like

00:33:35.500 --> 00:33:37.940
I said, I'd rather spend some draft capital on

00:33:37.940 --> 00:33:40.579
it. I'd rather see a top 100 pick come in. So

00:33:40.579 --> 00:33:43.240
you've got your young pairing of Bishop, Box

00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.720
safety, Free safety, or Jordan Poyer. And then

00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:47.720
you bring up your new Micah Hyde in the system.

00:33:48.019 --> 00:33:50.079
Like I just, I'd prefer to see that. I love Taron.

00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.259
I love what he's meant to the team, but I watched

00:33:52.259 --> 00:33:54.319
him in past coverage. I don't love him in center

00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:58.369
field next to Cole Bishop. His physical style

00:33:58.369 --> 00:34:01.650
of play has worn his body down. Is he post -30

00:34:01.650 --> 00:34:06.049
at this point? Yes, he's going to be 32. Post

00:34:06.049 --> 00:34:10.670
-30, having played like a linebacker on a slider

00:34:10.670 --> 00:34:16.380
frame, the miles are the miles. He's been fit

00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:19.960
in 320 pound guards his entire career. Like that's

00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:21.400
going to take a toll on you. You know what I

00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:23.800
mean? So I think he's a pay cut candidate. And

00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:25.239
I think if they can't come to terms on that,

00:34:25.340 --> 00:34:27.619
I think he's an outright cut probably. I didn't

00:34:27.619 --> 00:34:29.639
bring up TJ Sanders because I think he's gone.

00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.900
I didn't bring up Landon Jackson because I think

00:34:31.900 --> 00:34:34.579
he's gone too. Like it's going to be another

00:34:34.579 --> 00:34:40.159
like bean 30 % hit rate on a draft class, which

00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:42.039
I want to talk a little bit about that. Right.

00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:44.179
And I want to wrap up on that for all the goodwill.

00:34:44.300 --> 00:34:47.780
I think Brady is instilled. And I think, I think

00:34:47.780 --> 00:34:50.940
Brady has thread has done a good job threading

00:34:50.940 --> 00:34:54.219
the needle of paying homage and proper respect

00:34:54.219 --> 00:34:57.320
to what McDermott built, but in a clear -eyed,

00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.000
clear -eyed and optimistic way, acknowledging

00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.300
what about the McDermott years needed to change

00:35:02.300 --> 00:35:05.280
the defensive scheme, the general energy and

00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.559
vibe and in the clubhouse on game day. Like he

00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:10.539
has done a good job threading that needle. And

00:35:10.539 --> 00:35:13.159
he's done, I think with a lot of, a lot of, uh,

00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:16.179
oratory and grace. Um, Brandon Bean has done

00:35:16.179 --> 00:35:19.219
the opposite of that throughout this entire,

00:35:19.420 --> 00:35:22.420
entire press tour that he has gone on with, with

00:35:22.420 --> 00:35:25.579
Joe Brady. The F the outside comment that he

00:35:25.579 --> 00:35:28.219
made recently, and I forget the pod, uh, go long

00:35:28.219 --> 00:35:32.239
on the go long podcast is yet another sound bite

00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:36.760
to me. in the Brandon Bean 365 day cycle from

00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.780
the quit your bitch in to the F the outside and

00:35:39.780 --> 00:35:43.440
everything in between of a guy who I felt like

00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.420
was beloved by this fan base for his contributions

00:35:46.420 --> 00:35:48.059
to ending the drought and building sustained

00:35:48.059 --> 00:35:51.400
sex success. Now he just seems like a guy. He

00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.840
just seems like a guy who is so has so believed

00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:58.199
his own type and has lost the ability to be self

00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:02.380
-aware. He to me has become the, the, the the

00:36:02.380 --> 00:36:04.940
opposite of Chris Ballard, the anti -Chris Ballard.

00:36:05.059 --> 00:36:08.460
Chris Ballard in Indy has been on the hot seat

00:36:08.460 --> 00:36:11.300
for what feels like three or four years. And

00:36:11.300 --> 00:36:13.960
why? Because he has hit on every other position

00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.760
in that organization from a draft and for agency

00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:20.519
standpoint, except for the QB. Every other word

00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:22.360
out of Brandon Bean's mouth seems to be well

00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:24.900
I drafted Josh Allen but what else have you done

00:36:24.900 --> 00:36:27.659
around that right like you have done like if

00:36:27.659 --> 00:36:29.659
you had had even half the success a guy like

00:36:29.659 --> 00:36:31.380
Chris Ballard had and filling out the rest of

00:36:31.380 --> 00:36:33.559
this roster we'd probably talk about the bills

00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:36.139
and multiple Super Bowls but he hasn't and he

00:36:36.139 --> 00:36:38.719
continues to try to cash the check of but you

00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:41.559
guys wanted Josh Rosen. I pick Josh Allen. And

00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:43.099
I feel like this has to be the last year for

00:36:43.099 --> 00:36:45.280
that, right? I don't think Bean gets removed

00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.699
from the organization, but there is a world where

00:36:47.699 --> 00:36:50.300
if he misses on another free Asian class, particularly

00:36:50.300 --> 00:36:52.980
if he fails to fill out this defensive roster

00:36:52.980 --> 00:36:54.739
and the way that Leonard needs it to be filled

00:36:54.739 --> 00:36:57.699
out. and the offense doesn't improve, and he

00:36:57.699 --> 00:36:59.420
doesn't make any strides in the wide receiver

00:36:59.420 --> 00:37:02.719
room, I feel like he has to give up GM responsibilities

00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:04.900
after this season. He's not going to get fired,

00:37:04.900 --> 00:37:07.000
but that to me is as much of a hot seat as Bean

00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.380
is going to face. My tolerance for his shtick

00:37:10.380 --> 00:37:13.380
is worn very, very thin, right? So for all the

00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:15.380
grace and goodwill that Brady has done such a

00:37:15.380 --> 00:37:18.119
good job building up, every time Bean opens his

00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.179
mouth, I feel like he's ruining it. Yeah, I think

00:37:20.179 --> 00:37:24.280
you're absolutely right on that. It's just like...

00:37:24.250 --> 00:37:28.150
When did like big baller bean go so bizarro like

00:37:28.150 --> 00:37:32.050
angry ego maniac bean right like it was I think

00:37:32.050 --> 00:37:35.369
it was the last two and a half three drafts of

00:37:35.369 --> 00:37:38.610
just Complete misses right where he like started

00:37:38.610 --> 00:37:41.869
buying his own started buying into his own myth

00:37:41.869 --> 00:37:45.449
as As if he was like he's special and meanwhile

00:37:45.449 --> 00:37:48.849
his hit rate on top five in the top five rounds

00:37:48.849 --> 00:37:50.969
of the draft Which is the critical place to get

00:37:50.969 --> 00:37:53.460
year -over -year starters? has just been miss

00:37:53.460 --> 00:37:56.619
after miss after miss after miss. Dwayne Carter,

00:37:56.940 --> 00:38:01.679
like, was about to be cut before he got injured,

00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:03.900
right? They only put him on injury reserve because

00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:06.119
he was like, the only reason he even stayed with

00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:07.820
the team is because they could park him on injured

00:38:07.820 --> 00:38:10.599
reserve and see what comes of it. So it's just,

00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:14.760
oh man, it's just been a mess. Yeah. So, I mean,

00:38:15.420 --> 00:38:20.989
I think if Bean can recreate this, roster in

00:38:20.989 --> 00:38:23.849
the image the coaches need to fulfill their scheme,

00:38:25.469 --> 00:38:27.429
that's going to be his only way to redemption,

00:38:27.730 --> 00:38:30.090
because I agree. I think that if we see more

00:38:30.090 --> 00:38:33.030
of the same of him slapping it together with

00:38:33.030 --> 00:38:36.949
some middling free agent contracts that end up

00:38:36.949 --> 00:38:40.570
looking like absolute ... tire fires. It's, I

00:38:40.570 --> 00:38:42.449
think, I think you're right. I think it might

00:38:42.449 --> 00:38:45.309
be Terry P. Guller's time to be like, let's promote

00:38:45.309 --> 00:38:47.210
somebody else to GM to make all of the roster

00:38:47.210 --> 00:38:49.409
decisions. Like Terrence Gray, right? I mean,

00:38:49.530 --> 00:38:50.929
he's in there waiting in the wings, you know

00:38:50.929 --> 00:38:52.750
what I mean? And other teams really covet him.

00:38:53.289 --> 00:38:55.409
So that's kind of my theory. That was my theory

00:38:55.409 --> 00:38:57.130
at the beginning of this anyway, after I saw

00:38:57.130 --> 00:38:59.110
that Bean took on this president of football

00:38:59.110 --> 00:39:01.530
operations role, that he was eventually going

00:39:01.530 --> 00:39:05.190
to give up personnel responsibilities and bring

00:39:05.190 --> 00:39:10.409
on a GM. But I mean, man, Talk about a small,

00:39:10.409 --> 00:39:13.670
small margin for error. He's got to nail the

00:39:13.670 --> 00:39:15.309
draft. He's got a nail -free agency who cannot

00:39:15.309 --> 00:39:18.949
afford another Josh Palmer mid -tier miss. And

00:39:18.949 --> 00:39:20.809
you know what I would like to stop hearing Bean

00:39:20.809 --> 00:39:23.989
talk about? How hard it is to fill out a roster

00:39:23.989 --> 00:39:26.690
when you have an expensive quarterback. The way

00:39:26.690 --> 00:39:29.269
that Josh Allen's deal is structured compared

00:39:29.269 --> 00:39:32.670
to like a Joe Burrow. Yes, the cap hit is larger,

00:39:32.750 --> 00:39:35.809
but the way... That deal is structured in cash

00:39:35.809 --> 00:39:38.730
versus cap and percentage of cap that Josh is

00:39:38.730 --> 00:39:41.849
taking every year. He's not even a top 10. QB

00:39:41.849 --> 00:39:44.070
when it comes to percentage of cap that he takes

00:39:44.070 --> 00:39:47.570
up Joe burrow on the other hand is 25 % and He

00:39:47.570 --> 00:39:49.469
demanded his two buddies a wide receiver get

00:39:49.469 --> 00:39:51.809
paid and somehow was trying to demand the Trey

00:39:51.809 --> 00:39:54.090
Hendrickson got paid But that is a financial

00:39:54.090 --> 00:39:56.130
and possibility when you're a QB that takes up

00:39:56.130 --> 00:39:59.429
a quarter of your cap space Josh Allen's not

00:39:59.429 --> 00:40:01.889
doing that the way he has structured this deal

00:40:01.889 --> 00:40:04.610
with his agent was very careful to allow the

00:40:04.610 --> 00:40:09.369
bills cap flexibility And if you're a GM and

00:40:09.369 --> 00:40:13.489
you cannot work with a top -flight QB whose actual

00:40:13.489 --> 00:40:15.809
percentage of cap taken up every year is outside

00:40:15.809 --> 00:40:18.170
the top 10, I don't think you deserve your job.

00:40:18.369 --> 00:40:20.329
And I want to hear Brandon Bean stop complaining

00:40:20.329 --> 00:40:23.269
about the burden that Josh Allen's contract is

00:40:23.269 --> 00:40:25.989
and instead treat it like the privilege it is

00:40:25.989 --> 00:40:28.610
to have a future Hall of Fame QB on the roster

00:40:28.610 --> 00:40:30.630
that you need to help get over the finish line

00:40:30.630 --> 00:40:32.800
with your personnel decisions. Right. Right.

00:40:33.139 --> 00:40:35.199
And I think that that's the other thing is, again,

00:40:35.300 --> 00:40:37.659
the last two years, in the same two years that

00:40:37.659 --> 00:40:40.860
Sean McDermott as the coach started to engender

00:40:40.860 --> 00:40:43.199
more respect and responsibility and people have

00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:45.699
been like, okay, coming around, Bean has been

00:40:45.699 --> 00:40:48.280
slumping. And more and more, it's about what

00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:50.539
excuses he can make for why this didn't work.

00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:52.960
Oh, they didn't want to trade with us. We had

00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:54.360
the best offer on the table and they didn't want

00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:56.820
to trade. They would have traded if you like...

00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:59.119
through the farm at them. I know that's what

00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:01.260
GMs do. You just, you had a line, you drew a

00:41:01.260 --> 00:41:02.360
line in the sand, you said, we're not willing

00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:05.139
to go above it. They said no, and you did not

00:41:05.139 --> 00:41:07.199
counter, and that's a choice you make. Own that

00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:09.900
choice. Own that it was too rich. Don't complain

00:41:09.900 --> 00:41:11.780
that the other GMs aren't playing nice, right?

00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:16.199
Right. Don't say it's like all these young GMs

00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:18.829
want to play Madden. Howie Roseman makes trades.

00:41:19.250 --> 00:41:21.929
Brent Veach makes trades. Like the Baltimore

00:41:21.929 --> 00:41:25.329
Ravens, they make trades. Like, give me a break

00:41:25.329 --> 00:41:28.329
with this, oh, this young guy, like shoot from

00:41:28.329 --> 00:41:31.050
the ready fire aim stuff. Like, give me a break,

00:41:31.210 --> 00:41:34.949
dude. Like, I mean, so many experienced GMs use

00:41:34.949 --> 00:41:37.650
the full season cycle to better their roster

00:41:37.650 --> 00:41:40.010
in a way that's been more competent and more

00:41:40.010 --> 00:41:41.750
complete than Brandon B has. Do they have their

00:41:41.750 --> 00:41:45.079
misses? Absolutely they have their misses. Everyone's

00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:47.860
got their misses. It's how it goes. But the reason

00:41:47.860 --> 00:41:49.900
the bills are in the salary cap hell that they're

00:41:49.900 --> 00:41:52.579
in right now is because they have missed consistently

00:41:52.579 --> 00:41:55.519
on the draft. The Philadelphia Eagles, the New

00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.900
England Patriots, the Seattle Seahawks are all

00:41:57.900 --> 00:42:00.139
getting valuable contributions from guys that

00:42:00.139 --> 00:42:02.840
are on rookie contracts. And when you have guys

00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:04.920
on rookie contracts successfully filling out

00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.699
your roster, you can splurge a little bit more

00:42:07.699 --> 00:42:10.559
in free agency. You can make, take a bigger swing

00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:12.760
at a trade and bring out a a veteran player that's

00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.119
got a higher level contract because you've got

00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.980
those rookie safeguards that are backstopping

00:42:17.980 --> 00:42:20.059
you, not just from a talent perspective, but

00:42:20.059 --> 00:42:22.659
from a salary cap perspective as well. The reason

00:42:22.659 --> 00:42:25.239
the bills are in salary cap hell isn't because

00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:26.880
they have a Hall of Fame QB they're playing.

00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:29.900
It's because Bean has missed on draft after draft

00:42:29.900 --> 00:42:32.280
after draft, and they are not benefiting from

00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:35.440
the rookie backstops that other better managed

00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.719
organizations are. That's what it is. Own it,

00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:42.079
move on, and hit the draft. Well said. I think

00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.820
too, all I need to say is they've spent 10 picks

00:42:45.820 --> 00:42:48.780
in the top five rounds over Beans Tenured on

00:42:48.780 --> 00:42:51.980
defensive linemen and they've gotten one solid

00:42:51.980 --> 00:42:55.320
starter in at Oliver, one reasonable starter

00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:59.820
in Greg Rousseau and eight complete duds. Absolute

00:42:59.820 --> 00:43:02.579
misses. Deion Walker, jury's still out, could

00:43:02.579 --> 00:43:05.619
be a reasonable starter, but three out of 10

00:43:05.619 --> 00:43:09.380
is not. It is not acceptable for the top three,

00:43:09.500 --> 00:43:12.579
top four rounds of the draft picks on those positions.

00:43:12.900 --> 00:43:15.460
And then the free agent money that you then throw

00:43:15.460 --> 00:43:18.460
at mid -tier veterans to try to make it work

00:43:18.460 --> 00:43:20.940
and try to piece it together. I mean, it's just...

00:43:20.940 --> 00:43:22.679
And the wide receiver room is the same thing.

00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:24.619
Look at the wide receivers that he's brought

00:43:24.619 --> 00:43:26.780
in through free agency or the draft, right? Like,

00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:29.059
to me, with the Josh Allen is such a burden.

00:43:29.179 --> 00:43:32.260
Shut up, man. Your draft history is the anchor

00:43:32.260 --> 00:43:34.480
weighing down this team right now. That's the

00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.820
burden, yes. 100%. AJ, let's end it on a positive

00:43:37.820 --> 00:43:44.159
note. The Patriots are on the super. Sorry. Sorry.

00:43:44.860 --> 00:43:46.880
You got me. You got me with that one. I did.

00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:49.380
I got you. I got you. Yikes. That was good. That

00:43:49.380 --> 00:43:52.360
was good. That was payback for like a couple

00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:54.460
of pots ago. The Keyette -Coleman. Keyette -Coleman.

00:43:54.780 --> 00:43:57.639
Switch, yeah. No, the Gabe Davis prop. Gabe Davis,

00:43:57.639 --> 00:43:59.400
yeah. It was the Gabe Davis one. That's right.

00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:01.800
That's right. That was absolute payback. This

00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:03.539
is our last opportunity to do Predictions Sure

00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:05.800
to Go Wrong. And I think we should do it Super

00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:07.980
Bowl edition because after this, for all of you

00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:10.980
listening at home, we are taking our normal February

00:44:10.980 --> 00:44:13.449
hiatus from the pot. We'll be active on socials.

00:44:13.449 --> 00:44:16.210
We'll be doing our homework for you on the draft

00:44:16.210 --> 00:44:18.070
on free agency So it can bring you a little bit

00:44:18.070 --> 00:44:19.829
of knowledge about where we think the bill should

00:44:19.829 --> 00:44:22.550
go here this offseason But before we get to that

00:44:22.550 --> 00:44:25.070
there is one final game in the NFL to be played

00:44:25.070 --> 00:44:28.329
our friend of the pod Not friend of the Bills

00:44:28.329 --> 00:44:31.050
Brandon very happy with what he supposes will

00:44:31.050 --> 00:44:33.730
be the outcome of this game, but JJ real quick

00:44:33.730 --> 00:44:37.210
Let's let's let's handicap the the Super Bowl

00:44:37.210 --> 00:44:39.750
here. So you got the Seahawks. You got the Patriots

00:44:40.539 --> 00:44:42.340
Seahawks have stayed a steady four and a half

00:44:42.340 --> 00:44:44.019
point favor in this game, which I think is fair.

00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:47.179
Over -under on this game is 45 and a half points.

00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:49.820
JJ, where do you see the Super Bowl going here?

00:44:50.420 --> 00:44:52.579
I think that for the final score, I think they

00:44:52.579 --> 00:44:55.099
do hit the over because I think, of course, with

00:44:55.099 --> 00:44:56.619
two weeks preparation, every team's going to

00:44:56.619 --> 00:44:58.940
bring their best shot. I don't think we're going

00:44:58.940 --> 00:45:02.219
to see a boring defensive, you know, drubfest

00:45:02.219 --> 00:45:05.139
like the AFC Championship game. And I do think

00:45:05.139 --> 00:45:07.480
that the Seattle Seahawks take this one. I think

00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:13.239
it's like a 20, 27, 17 type affair. So that's

00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.139
under, I guess, 44. Yeah, that'd be under, but

00:45:15.139 --> 00:45:18.239
I think that's fair. I think the two best units.

00:45:18.699 --> 00:45:22.980
in this game are the opposing defenses. The metrics

00:45:22.980 --> 00:45:25.920
on Seattle's defense are absolutely wild. Like

00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:28.079
every time I look up one of their next -gen stats,

00:45:28.500 --> 00:45:30.940
every time I'm pulling up something from FTN,

00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:34.260
it's like first team in 20 years, first team

00:45:34.260 --> 00:45:38.019
in 25 years. Their success rate in stopping the

00:45:38.019 --> 00:45:42.679
run out of dime is 70 % in change. Like unheard

00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:46.380
of, unheard of. Dime, dime personnel. So this

00:45:46.380 --> 00:45:49.369
defense is stout. I will say this, they have

00:45:49.369 --> 00:45:52.730
not played the one area they can be had is out

00:45:52.730 --> 00:45:55.090
of structure plays because they are so disciplined.

00:45:55.590 --> 00:45:58.170
They like to dictate the timing of the opposing

00:45:58.170 --> 00:46:02.190
QB. They have not had to play a lot of QBs that

00:46:02.190 --> 00:46:04.250
are good playing out of structure. They haven't

00:46:04.250 --> 00:46:06.869
played Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,

00:46:07.010 --> 00:46:10.500
haven't played any of those guys. When they are

00:46:10.500 --> 00:46:14.139
clocked if by EPA per play against out of structure

00:46:14.139 --> 00:46:17.440
plays or second reaction throws They drop from

00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.159
top two in the league in EPA per play all the

00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:22.559
way down to 14th And they are going against an

00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:24.699
opposing QB and Drake may who has not had a good

00:46:24.699 --> 00:46:27.199
postseason for a variety of reasons But he is

00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:30.300
he's a dude who can extend plays who can make

00:46:30.300 --> 00:46:33.340
second reaction throws and who can play out of

00:46:33.340 --> 00:46:37.570
structure this is a This is a challenging QB

00:46:37.570 --> 00:46:40.150
for this vaunted Seattle defense to go up against.

00:46:40.750 --> 00:46:42.130
To your point with two weeks, I think they'll

00:46:42.130 --> 00:46:44.469
have a plan for that, but I think to me that's

00:46:44.469 --> 00:46:46.630
the big wild card in this game. On the other

00:46:46.630 --> 00:46:48.469
side of the ball, if you are the New England

00:46:48.469 --> 00:46:50.980
Patriots, can you heat up Sam Darnold? Sam Darnold

00:46:50.980 --> 00:46:53.619
has been unconscious for the last two months

00:46:53.619 --> 00:46:55.980
of the season, but he's still led the league

00:46:55.980 --> 00:46:58.119
over the course of those two months in turnover

00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:00.739
-worthy plays. So if you're the Patriots, can

00:47:00.739 --> 00:47:02.900
you continue this kind of defensive revitalization

00:47:02.900 --> 00:47:07.239
heat up Sam Darnold? I think the Patriots win

00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:12.239
this game in the most stupid, stupid Super Bowl

00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:16.000
we've seen since the Patriots beat the Rams to

00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:19.590
three. I think I think this is this game is like

00:47:19.590 --> 00:47:24.110
a weird score. I'm gonna go 16 to 12 New England

00:47:24.110 --> 00:47:27.469
Patriots in the dumbest Super Bowl we have seen

00:47:27.469 --> 00:47:29.170
in our lifetime because that's what the season

00:47:29.170 --> 00:47:31.489
honestly That's what this ridiculous NFL season

00:47:31.489 --> 00:47:33.690
deserves. It deserves a dumb Super Bowl to end

00:47:33.690 --> 00:47:35.329
the year, right? And I think that's what we're

00:47:35.329 --> 00:47:38.949
gonna get All right. Yeah. No, I mean that is

00:47:38.949 --> 00:47:43.329
that isn't a reasonable thing to expect but I

00:47:43.329 --> 00:47:46.539
yeah, I'm sticking I'm Keeping it hope alive

00:47:46.539 --> 00:47:49.019
builds mafia that we don't have to suffer the

00:47:49.019 --> 00:47:51.960
absolute insufferable. And this isn't a jab at

00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:55.500
Brandon, but this is a jab at all of those stupid

00:47:55.500 --> 00:47:58.800
stinking New England Patriots fans who like literally

00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:02.280
disappeared and put on Patagonias and then waited

00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:05.300
three years while their team sucked. and then

00:48:05.300 --> 00:48:08.000
showed back up out of the blue like, oh, I never

00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:11.079
gave up, I'd never quit Patriot Nation. Yeah,

00:48:11.179 --> 00:48:13.579
no, those bastards are gonna be all over and

00:48:13.579 --> 00:48:16.500
they're gonna be absolutely insufferable if the

00:48:16.500 --> 00:48:19.260
Patriots win the Super Bowl. I can't with them,

00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:21.539
so please, Donald, you gotta pull this one out

00:48:21.539 --> 00:48:25.420
for us. Our hopes. for a peaceful offseason rest

00:48:25.420 --> 00:48:27.739
on the right shoulder of one Sam Darnold. And

00:48:27.739 --> 00:48:30.019
that is not a not a bet I'm willing to take.

00:48:30.139 --> 00:48:32.480
I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. But I am

00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:34.820
preparing myself for a dumb Super Bowl this weekend.

00:48:36.019 --> 00:48:38.739
All right, man. Listen, this is it. We've hit

00:48:38.739 --> 00:48:41.360
our off -season break. For all of you listening

00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:43.039
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00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:45.179
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00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:48.179
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00:48:48.179 --> 00:48:50.320
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