WEBVTT 00:00:00.740 --> 00:00:04.179 Welcome back to the Buffalo Bread Podcast. Dan, 00:00:05.099 --> 00:00:08.400 things are happening. Big things. A few years 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:11.339 ago, I feel like we both were sort of dreaming 00:00:11.339 --> 00:00:14.660 of this moment. And it's like one of those be 00:00:14.660 --> 00:00:16.679 careful what you wish for moments because I'm 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:19.640 just like, uh -oh, I don't think this was the 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:23.899 right move. Buffalo Bills fire coach John McDermott 00:00:23.899 --> 00:00:27.199 after nine seasons and what like a It's like 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:29.280 a hundred and five and fifty record or something 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:31.300 like that. I don't have it in front of me Yeah, 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:34.820 it was it was something very impressive. Mm -hmm 00:00:34.820 --> 00:00:37.539 by winning percentage I believe he ends as the 00:00:37.539 --> 00:00:39.679 winningest coach in Buffalo Bills history total 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:44.140 win second only to Marv Levy JJ with you there 00:00:44.140 --> 00:00:47.679 were I think Mix reactions from Bill's mafia 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:50.539 some very strong reactions from the media today 00:00:50.539 --> 00:00:53.179 just in the initial takes and I think a lot to 00:00:53.179 --> 00:00:56.259 unpack because There is the move in and of itself 00:00:56.259 --> 00:00:58.460 and what it means for right now in the short 00:00:58.460 --> 00:01:02.340 term What it signals for the ascendance of one 00:01:02.340 --> 00:01:04.799 brand and being in this organization as well 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:07.180 and the two moves being timed together has made 00:01:07.180 --> 00:01:10.719 a lot of people think that Beans rise has come 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:14.269 at the expense of McDermott's job And that is 00:01:14.269 --> 00:01:15.950 going to be something I think that Bean is going 00:01:15.950 --> 00:01:17.890 to have to rectify with Bill's mafia in this 00:01:17.890 --> 00:01:20.010 fan base. Outside of that, there's the long -term 00:01:20.010 --> 00:01:22.170 implications of Josh Allen will have his second 00:01:22.170 --> 00:01:24.849 coach of his career. Who is that going to be? 00:01:25.209 --> 00:01:28.989 We are, of course, as a unified internet community 00:01:28.989 --> 00:01:31.069 being like offensive minded head coach, except 00:01:31.069 --> 00:01:33.730 there's not a lot of great offensive minded head 00:01:33.730 --> 00:01:35.810 coaches this, this cycle, right? There's good 00:01:35.810 --> 00:01:38.310 coaches, probably coaches with some potential, 00:01:38.310 --> 00:01:41.900 but I think. I think there's a lot. I think there's 00:01:41.900 --> 00:01:44.420 a lot. This is not an easy decision. And the 00:01:44.420 --> 00:01:46.439 answers that we get even after we hire a hard 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:48.640 coach are not going to come easy as well. But 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:51.260 JJ, let's start with the move in and of itself. 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:53.780 What are your general thoughts on the bills moving 00:01:53.780 --> 00:01:57.980 on from McDermott? I think generally, first of 00:01:57.980 --> 00:02:01.040 all, I think that Brandon Bean's weird promotion 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:04.140 as this is happening is definitely adding fuel 00:02:04.140 --> 00:02:07.000 to the fire that he did some backhanded nonsense 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:10.810 to send Sean out the door. to say like that we 00:02:10.810 --> 00:02:12.509 need a change, this is the change I propose. 00:02:13.009 --> 00:02:16.729 And it's extra dirty because he was hired by 00:02:16.729 --> 00:02:19.110 Sean McDermott as a Carolina person that Sean 00:02:19.110 --> 00:02:21.569 knew who could come into that role. And this 00:02:21.569 --> 00:02:24.349 is the same Brandon Bean who has drafted two 00:02:24.349 --> 00:02:28.759 Pro Bowlers in eight years. and who was also 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:31.379 quoted as saying, you're bitching about offense 00:02:31.379 --> 00:02:34.039 or wide receivers when we had the best offense 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:36.740 in franchise history last year, followed up by 00:02:36.740 --> 00:02:39.460 hiring street free agent veterans who were on 00:02:39.460 --> 00:02:42.120 the cusp of retiring to try to fill in the receiver 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:45.560 core who had meaningful snaps and game clinching 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:49.979 catches in the playoffs. So my general thoughts 00:02:49.979 --> 00:02:52.539 are like, I think the wrong guy left because... 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:54.560 I think we both would agree that Sean McDermott 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:57.159 had some warts as a head coach and made some 00:02:57.159 --> 00:02:59.319 bad calls, right? He made some bad challenges. 00:02:59.500 --> 00:03:01.960 He made some bad defensive scheme adjustments 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:04.620 and critical moments. He got out coached in the 00:03:04.620 --> 00:03:07.039 playoffs by Andy Reid, especially multiple times. 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:10.719 But I feel like in the past two seasons, he was 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:13.800 doing more with less talent than he had done 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:16.099 anywhere earlier in his career as the head coach 00:03:16.099 --> 00:03:19.169 for the Bills. So I don't think this fault that 00:03:19.169 --> 00:03:21.449 I don't feel like the bill shortcomings in 23 00:03:21.449 --> 00:03:25.189 24 25 fall squarely on his feet I think that 00:03:25.189 --> 00:03:27.250 a lot of the roster building is the reason to 00:03:27.250 --> 00:03:30.090 blame Yes, I think you could look at the bills 00:03:30.090 --> 00:03:31.789 falling short the past couple of years. You could 00:03:31.789 --> 00:03:37.789 point to a lot of different factors I have Crafted 00:03:37.789 --> 00:03:41.229 my take to address the bean and McDermott things 00:03:41.229 --> 00:03:45.120 separately. I think the bills made one correct 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:48.259 move and one incorrect move. I think the correct 00:03:48.259 --> 00:03:50.360 move was getting rid of Sean McDermott. I really 00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:53.860 do. I think, and here's what it is for me, everything 00:03:53.860 --> 00:03:58.099 around this team has to center around the continued 00:03:58.099 --> 00:04:01.379 development and now as he approaches age 30, 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:05.580 the longevity of Josh Allen. Since Brian Dayball, 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:08.439 listen, Sean McDermott has had how many cracks 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:12.240 at the OC? He's had, this is going to be his 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:15.479 fifth if Brady leaves. Yeah, it was four. It's 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:18.939 four. This would be his fifth, right? Yeah. So 00:04:18.939 --> 00:04:23.800 for me, he has gotten it right with Dable. And 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:26.160 since Dable with Dorsey and Brady, you've had 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:29.139 very varied success. Listen, Brady, we talked 00:04:29.139 --> 00:04:32.199 about it on the season end pod ironically yesterday. 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:34.800 I think Brady's going to be a very fine head 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:36.980 coach, even if I disagree with the way he sequences 00:04:36.980 --> 00:04:39.839 plays and is a play caller. But the reality of 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:43.720 the offense that Ken Dorsey crafted, it was not 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:46.800 creative. It didn't suit Josh's strengths to 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:49.980 be his best. And the offense that Brady created, 00:04:50.220 --> 00:04:52.459 I think started out well -meaningly as we need 00:04:52.459 --> 00:04:55.480 to take pressure off Josh, but it ended up minimizing 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.500 Josh in a lot of ways in this scheme until the 00:04:58.500 --> 00:05:01.300 scheme no longer worked. And then it was Josh 00:05:01.300 --> 00:05:04.120 doing Josh things, as we always say, compounded 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:07.519 with that. carrying a bad roster into the playoffs 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:09.779 year in and year out, with the exception of the 00:05:09.779 --> 00:05:13.100 offensive line and the run game. Josh was being 00:05:13.100 --> 00:05:16.519 asked to do ironically more in this scheme. And 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:18.759 this year, I think we underrate how much of a 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:21.040 physical toll that took. Had some great interactions 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:22.779 on socials today. And one of our users pointed 00:05:22.779 --> 00:05:27.079 out that points per game were the same this season 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.139 as they were in Dables last season. And I pointed 00:05:30.139 --> 00:05:33.259 out that is correct, but Josh took more hits, 00:05:33.699 --> 00:05:36.870 more sacks. and ran the ball at a higher rate 00:05:36.870 --> 00:05:40.009 combined than he has in his entire career. You 00:05:40.009 --> 00:05:43.490 cannot be plotting an offense around that anymore. 00:05:44.370 --> 00:05:46.689 So for me, I think the organization made this 00:05:46.689 --> 00:05:51.149 move for Josh in part because I don't think McDermott 00:05:51.149 --> 00:05:53.970 for as good a man as he is and as great a leader 00:05:53.970 --> 00:05:55.949 as he is and as good of a defensive mind as he 00:05:55.949 --> 00:05:59.790 is. I don't think he deserved after the Dorsey 00:05:59.790 --> 00:06:04.209 Brady experiment to take another crack. at refilling 00:06:04.209 --> 00:06:06.529 and redesigning this offensive staff. I think 00:06:06.529 --> 00:06:09.970 it was time for fresh eyes to get on Josh and 00:06:09.970 --> 00:06:12.029 really do what we talked about a lot of these 00:06:12.029 --> 00:06:14.490 newly hired head coaches have done. Mike Frable, 00:06:14.769 --> 00:06:18.129 Mike McDonald bringing on Kubiak to work with, 00:06:18.149 --> 00:06:22.670 Sam Darnold out in Seattle. Ben Johnson, Liam 00:06:22.670 --> 00:06:26.550 Cohen. If you've got a QB, you suit the scheme 00:06:26.550 --> 00:06:29.069 around the QB and what the QB is good at, right? 00:06:29.370 --> 00:06:31.779 Dorsey didn't do that. I would argue Brady didn't 00:06:31.779 --> 00:06:33.680 do that, right? Tried to turn Josh into some 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:36.259 game manager. And the toll it took on Josh this 00:06:36.259 --> 00:06:38.259 season. Listen, he's on the Cam Newton path. 00:06:38.379 --> 00:06:40.319 We want him to be on the Matt Stafford path where 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:42.620 he plays till he's 38. Right now he's on the 00:06:42.620 --> 00:06:44.339 Cam Newton path. And I think the organization 00:06:44.339 --> 00:06:47.139 realized that. It was time for fresh eyes on 00:06:47.139 --> 00:06:50.139 the offensive scheme, fresh eyes on Josh. And 00:06:50.139 --> 00:06:51.920 listen, we've talked about the defensive scheme 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:54.639 stagnating as well. You can absolutely argue 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:57.100 injuries and personnel were a big issue with 00:06:57.100 --> 00:06:59.939 this year. What about last year? Like, dude, 00:06:59.980 --> 00:07:02.500 we have always said, well, if the, if the bills 00:07:02.500 --> 00:07:04.759 are just healthier, if the bills are just this 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:08.720 13 seconds, they had every, everybody that they 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:11.139 needed, except for Trey white on the field. Right. 00:07:11.740 --> 00:07:13.560 They lost to Kansas. We keep saying, oh, they 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:15.420 just need to be the one seed and then they're 00:07:15.420 --> 00:07:17.060 going to get a home game against Kansas city. 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:20.300 They've had a home game against Kansas city in 00:07:20.300 --> 00:07:22.639 Buffalo and they still lost it. Like at some 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:25.470 point. Doing the same thing over and over again 00:07:25.470 --> 00:07:27.589 and if it's not getting you anywhere You've got 00:07:27.589 --> 00:07:29.870 to make this change the timing sucks because 00:07:29.870 --> 00:07:32.490 I think Compared to last year the coaching candidate 00:07:32.490 --> 00:07:35.129 pool is not as good as it was But I think the 00:07:35.129 --> 00:07:37.209 firing of Sean McDermott is justified for all 00:07:37.209 --> 00:07:39.550 those reasons I just love them, but you cannot 00:07:39.550 --> 00:07:41.529 trust them to rebuild this offense after what 00:07:41.529 --> 00:07:44.470 we've seen with Dorsey and Brady I Think those 00:07:44.470 --> 00:07:46.290 are fair points. I think that you know, like 00:07:46.290 --> 00:07:49.110 I kind of kicked off the show We we had pointed 00:07:49.110 --> 00:07:50.889 to the reasons we thought this had to happen 00:07:50.889 --> 00:07:53.790 for years And now that it has, it's sort of like, 00:07:53.910 --> 00:07:55.149 wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, because you're 00:07:55.149 --> 00:07:57.110 worried because you're afraid. Like change is 00:07:57.110 --> 00:07:59.610 scary. Transition is scary. We're the dog that 00:07:59.610 --> 00:08:01.290 caught the mailman. Finally, now we don't know 00:08:01.290 --> 00:08:04.050 what to do. Oh, my God. My dog caught a deer 00:08:04.050 --> 00:08:07.250 once and also didn't know, you know, like it's 00:08:07.250 --> 00:08:09.610 incredible. Long time ago, a long story. But 00:08:09.610 --> 00:08:11.730 we didn't murder. Nobody was murdered or harmed. 00:08:11.730 --> 00:08:15.730 It was fine. But similar like Chase's deer corners 00:08:15.730 --> 00:08:18.310 one. It's there. And he's just like, I'm going 00:08:18.310 --> 00:08:20.889 to wag. I don't know what I would do. But anyway. 00:08:21.599 --> 00:08:24.779 So yeah, it is exactly that situation where it's 00:08:24.779 --> 00:08:26.199 like, okay, this is the thing we asked for, but 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:29.079 oh no, what do we do now? I think you're right. 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:31.680 And I think that two things make me feel a little 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:33.539 bit more comfortable with this transition and 00:08:33.539 --> 00:08:38.159 this change. One of them is that we know that 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:40.980 Sean McDermott, it seems like from things we've 00:08:40.980 --> 00:08:43.779 heard from verifiable sources, none of them are, 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:46.620 other people who are real media people have verified 00:08:46.620 --> 00:08:50.649 them. He's a very hard person to work for. That 00:08:50.649 --> 00:08:53.230 was that was known, right? Like he had multiple 00:08:53.230 --> 00:08:56.029 coordinators. They see the bill seemed to always 00:08:56.029 --> 00:08:59.950 be promoting from within because he was very 00:08:59.950 --> 00:09:02.190 particular. He was very detail oriented. They 00:09:02.190 --> 00:09:04.570 even said, you know, in the farewell message, 00:09:04.629 --> 00:09:07.990 which also called him an admiral that that was 00:09:07.990 --> 00:09:10.049 pathetic. You can't spell check this for two 00:09:10.049 --> 00:09:12.830 seconds and just shoot it off like that felt 00:09:12.830 --> 00:09:15.269 terrible. Like for somebody who pulled the bills 00:09:15.269 --> 00:09:18.529 out of the drought. won the division five straight 00:09:18.529 --> 00:09:20.649 years and put them in the playoffs eight of nine 00:09:20.649 --> 00:09:24.750 years with at least one playoff win. That's in 00:09:24.750 --> 00:09:26.710 seven of those years. To just have that go out 00:09:26.710 --> 00:09:29.269 and have it look sloppy was bad. But essentially 00:09:29.269 --> 00:09:31.070 the detail -oriented thing that they pointed 00:09:31.070 --> 00:09:33.029 to in that, when I saw that I was like, that 00:09:33.029 --> 00:09:35.269 might be like a backhanded shove out the door 00:09:35.269 --> 00:09:39.230 of like, this is, we served us this way. This 00:09:39.230 --> 00:09:41.629 is why you're being fired. This is why you're 00:09:41.629 --> 00:09:44.470 done, right? Like because I think that you know, 00:09:44.590 --> 00:09:46.350 again those media sources He might have been 00:09:46.350 --> 00:09:48.389 a difficult person to work for caused a rift 00:09:48.389 --> 00:09:50.250 with Brian Dable who was doing amazing things 00:09:50.250 --> 00:09:53.669 with Josh Allen for all of those reasons if they 00:09:53.669 --> 00:09:57.149 want to rebuild the whole thing they need new 00:09:57.149 --> 00:09:59.210 voice they need new eyes and they need somebody 00:09:59.210 --> 00:10:01.070 who's not gonna rip play calling away from the 00:10:01.070 --> 00:10:04.649 DC for better or worse and Demand that they play 00:10:04.649 --> 00:10:06.389 his scheme because I think Sean McDermott is 00:10:06.389 --> 00:10:09.679 a brilliant defensive mind I just think that 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:12.539 he'd been out -brillianted too many times in 00:10:12.539 --> 00:10:16.460 critical moments and that was part of the reason 00:10:16.460 --> 00:10:19.700 the move happened. So for that, somebody who 00:10:19.700 --> 00:10:23.240 is willing to be a football CEO or an offensive 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:26.340 focused person who then gets a bright defensive 00:10:26.340 --> 00:10:29.200 mind in place could be a good move for this team. 00:10:30.139 --> 00:10:34.179 Or vice versa. I don't know that this has to 00:10:34.179 --> 00:10:37.480 be. an offensive minded coach. Again, Mike McDonald 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:40.720 is a defensive minded coach, but understood what 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:42.879 he needed to get out of Sam Darnold and brought 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:45.799 out a guy in, it's Clint Kubiak out there, right? 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:48.019 Yeah. Yes. Brought out a guy in Clint Kubiak 00:10:48.019 --> 00:10:51.360 who he knew he could do it. Mike Frable, not 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:53.940 an offensive guy, knew what he had in Drake May, 00:10:54.179 --> 00:10:55.500 brought in a guy who knew who he could get the 00:10:55.500 --> 00:10:58.700 most out of him, right? I will take smart and 00:10:58.700 --> 00:11:02.600 a good leader and a good leader of men. Above 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:05.259 like nifty play caller. I think we've seen the 00:11:05.259 --> 00:11:08.100 nifty play caller thing Missed and it more than 00:11:08.100 --> 00:11:11.279 it is hit and if I'm the Bills and I'm Bills 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:13.340 mafia I would caution us in getting enamored 00:11:13.340 --> 00:11:15.980 with the Nate crack next great offensive mind 00:11:15.980 --> 00:11:17.980 because Ben Johnson There's not a Ben Johnson. 00:11:17.980 --> 00:11:20.539 There's not a Liam Cohen in this particular coaching 00:11:20.539 --> 00:11:22.659 pool for as good as some of these guys are I 00:11:22.659 --> 00:11:25.100 think the guys that are that are still a little 00:11:25.100 --> 00:11:28.080 bit too young. Davis Webb hasn't called plays, 00:11:28.299 --> 00:11:31.860 but he could be a guy. This guy, what's his name? 00:11:32.059 --> 00:11:34.340 I always butcher his name. He's like the pass 00:11:34.340 --> 00:11:36.980 game coordinator for LA under Sean McVeigh. Slee 00:11:36.980 --> 00:11:39.919 Slack or something like that. Something like 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:41.960 that. I always brutalize his name. I'll look 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:44.879 it up. Right? Like he's probably a year or two 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:47.360 away in a couple of cycles from being a real 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:51.440 verifiable guy. I just, you know, I think you 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:53.860 just got to go with the best candidate. who is 00:11:53.860 --> 00:11:56.159 going to give you the best vision for Josh, and 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:58.899 then the best vision for this team, and then 00:11:58.899 --> 00:12:00.659 prove to you that they're going to bring in the 00:12:00.659 --> 00:12:03.320 staff that is needed in order to do that. Like 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:06.039 I wouldn't overlook a guy like Jesse Minter with 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:08.840 the LA Chargers. I think he's a sharp defensive 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:11.360 mind. And I think you got to realize too, the 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:13.759 cap situation, I could be wrong. Bean could have 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:16.700 like secret outs out of all the extensions that 00:12:16.700 --> 00:12:18.500 he put out there and all of a sudden create cap 00:12:18.500 --> 00:12:21.620 space. But I mean, we're up against the cap. 00:12:21.850 --> 00:12:24.809 We have put a lot of bad extensions out there. 00:12:24.970 --> 00:12:27.870 Greg Rousseau is not a $20 million a year guy. 00:12:28.429 --> 00:12:30.730 Terrell Bernard can't stay healthy and even when 00:12:30.730 --> 00:12:34.009 he's healthy, he's like, he is a suitable coverage 00:12:34.009 --> 00:12:36.110 linebacker that gets washed in the run, right? 00:12:36.289 --> 00:12:37.889 All these things that we could go up and down 00:12:37.889 --> 00:12:40.710 about, they're anchored to Josh Palmer for another 00:12:40.710 --> 00:12:42.669 year. I think they can get out of the Curtis 00:12:42.669 --> 00:12:45.250 Samuel contract, right? But like all that said, 00:12:45.570 --> 00:12:48.870 like, you're not going to blow up this defensive 00:12:48.870 --> 00:12:51.600 roster. right away. You know, there's just pieces 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:54.799 you cannot move on. So you bring in a guy like 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:57.600 mentor who's a great defensive mind can work 00:12:57.600 --> 00:12:59.659 with the pieces when healthy on this defense 00:12:59.659 --> 00:13:02.220 that are needed to stabilize it, and then see 00:13:02.220 --> 00:13:04.440 what he's willing to bring in as far as an offensive 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:07.399 coaching staff. But again, fresh eyes, someone 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:09.039 that doesn't have a pre existing relationship 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:12.929 with Josh, that can evaluate him not Not through 00:13:12.929 --> 00:13:15.190 the Jack draft process like the bills did and 00:13:15.190 --> 00:13:17.409 getting to know him and not through all the years 00:13:17.409 --> 00:13:19.389 of golfing trips these had with Brandon Bean, 00:13:19.610 --> 00:13:22.669 but from an X as a nose tape standpoint, here's 00:13:22.669 --> 00:13:24.929 what this kid can do. Here's what he can't do. 00:13:24.929 --> 00:13:26.850 Right. And here's what we don't need him to do 00:13:26.850 --> 00:13:29.090 anymore. You know, I think when you are, when 00:13:29.090 --> 00:13:30.730 you are talking about a third year old quarterback, 00:13:30.889 --> 00:13:33.970 all those things need to be on the table. So 00:13:33.970 --> 00:13:37.960 JJ, let's talk about the Brandon B thing. Cause 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:39.899 like, so I think the McDermott, I said there 00:13:39.899 --> 00:13:41.580 was a right and a wrong decision made today. 00:13:41.779 --> 00:13:43.120 I think the correct decision was getting ready 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:44.960 McDermott. I think the incorrect decision was 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:47.899 getting rid of Brandon Bean. I do think his elevation 00:13:47.899 --> 00:13:51.720 to president of football operations does mean 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:54.519 that at some point I do believe he'll bring in 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:57.100 a GM or a new director of player personnel to 00:13:57.100 --> 00:13:59.940 really fill the roster, but he's, he's got to 00:13:59.940 --> 00:14:02.769 bug up his butt. after everyone has derided him 00:14:02.769 --> 00:14:05.169 this year for the crappiness of the roster builder, 00:14:05.250 --> 00:14:07.409 the wider receiver room. I think he wants to 00:14:07.409 --> 00:14:09.850 go try to go nuclear for one more off season. 00:14:09.889 --> 00:14:12.669 Granted with what assets I don't know, but I 00:14:12.669 --> 00:14:14.509 think he's going to want to try to prove everybody 00:14:14.509 --> 00:14:16.830 wrong because he listens to that stuff. And then 00:14:16.830 --> 00:14:18.769 after he puts a better roster out on the field, 00:14:19.009 --> 00:14:21.309 I think he, I think there is. I think there's 00:14:21.309 --> 00:14:23.529 a better than zero chance that he eventually 00:14:23.529 --> 00:14:26.450 gives up personnel duties and focuses on running 00:14:26.450 --> 00:14:30.070 the organization. That was my read on this move 00:14:30.070 --> 00:14:32.230 because it's hard to do both of those jobs. I 00:14:32.230 --> 00:14:36.070 also got the sense too that the change with Bean 00:14:36.070 --> 00:14:38.690 to now overseeing the coaching staff. So for 00:14:38.690 --> 00:14:40.850 those of you in Bill's Mafia who are not involved 00:14:40.850 --> 00:14:43.409 in like understanding the org chart of how everything 00:14:43.409 --> 00:14:46.450 works with the Bills, both McDermott and Bean 00:14:46.669 --> 00:14:50.490 reported directly to the Pagulas in ownership, 00:14:50.529 --> 00:14:53.769 right? And I think you started to see some tension 00:14:53.769 --> 00:14:55.870 and some fraying in the relationship between 00:14:55.870 --> 00:14:58.690 McDermott and Bean because there were probably 00:14:58.690 --> 00:15:00.970 things that Bean did that overrode what McDermott 00:15:00.970 --> 00:15:03.710 did and vice versa as well, right? Now, that's 00:15:03.710 --> 00:15:06.049 not going to happen. The buck stops with Bean 00:15:06.049 --> 00:15:09.090 with this coaching staff, right? So knowing all 00:15:09.090 --> 00:15:11.490 that and knowing that Brain and Bean has somehow 00:15:11.490 --> 00:15:14.590 secured even more control in this organization, 00:15:15.070 --> 00:15:17.740 now JJ. What are your feelings on the Bills keeping 00:15:17.740 --> 00:15:22.659 Brandon Bean? Before I saw that it was a promotion, 00:15:22.899 --> 00:15:24.659 I thought it was a Doug Whaley situation. I think 00:15:24.659 --> 00:15:26.720 we texted about that a little bit. It's like, 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.139 okay, maybe he's in place by name just to get 00:15:31.139 --> 00:15:33.159 a new coach in the door and then they'll let 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:35.779 him walk to and the coach will have a role in 00:15:35.779 --> 00:15:39.340 picking his GM. I thought that was a situation 00:15:39.340 --> 00:15:41.340 because that had been Pagula's playbook in the 00:15:41.340 --> 00:15:44.879 McDermott and Bean hiring cycle. But then the 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:47.940 promotion promotion you don't you don't do that 00:15:47.940 --> 00:15:49.860 if you're gonna just like let him or you're gonna 00:15:49.860 --> 00:15:51.740 Let him go after the draft like you don't do 00:15:51.740 --> 00:15:54.320 that. It just looks super sloppy And I don't 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:55.879 think that they necessarily care about looking 00:15:55.879 --> 00:15:59.940 sloppy given their press releases Yeah, but it's 00:15:59.940 --> 00:16:04.059 a situation where I think that you know Yeah, 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:06.259 I mean really all he has to do is step up into 00:16:06.259 --> 00:16:08.440 the president of football operations role and 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:10.440 then he can start you know sexually harassing 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:13.389 female employees like Russ Brandon and then Make 00:16:13.389 --> 00:16:17.529 a really like, you know namby -pamby Resignation, 00:16:17.830 --> 00:16:19.990 you know that doesn't address the things he was 00:16:19.990 --> 00:16:24.090 doing. No, I hope Brandon I don't think he's 00:16:24.090 --> 00:16:26.690 better character than that. I think but yeah 00:16:26.690 --> 00:16:29.149 No, I think I just wanted to bring up bring up 00:16:29.149 --> 00:16:32.649 that dark mark on the franchise history I don't 00:16:32.649 --> 00:16:35.370 know man. I like I'm with you that I feel like 00:16:35.370 --> 00:16:37.830 he he does take it personally. He does have a 00:16:37.830 --> 00:16:40.980 big ego Clearly there was some sort of schism 00:16:40.980 --> 00:16:43.539 that had formed between him and Sean over the 00:16:43.539 --> 00:16:44.840 years. And I think it probably over the past 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:47.919 few years because of Sean McDermott repeatedly 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:52.220 having to make teams, competitive teams out of 00:16:52.220 --> 00:16:55.919 a non -competitive parts of the roster. And in 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:57.580 some regards, I think that Sean can be blamed 00:16:57.580 --> 00:17:01.240 too. I think he frustrated Brandon Bean by insisting 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:03.539 of some players be brought back. Like I don't 00:17:03.539 --> 00:17:05.960 know that Bean is chasing down Dane Jackson for 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:09.650 another contract. Yeah. Be after the date. And 00:17:09.650 --> 00:17:11.329 that's the thing. And we may never know until 00:17:11.329 --> 00:17:14.589 the 30 for 30 on this thing comes out, but what 00:17:14.589 --> 00:17:17.130 the bills did after trading stuff on digs, which 00:17:17.130 --> 00:17:19.609 I still disagree with that move. And like, we 00:17:19.609 --> 00:17:21.490 can talk about those implications because I think 00:17:21.490 --> 00:17:23.750 there's a factor there too, that led to this, 00:17:23.930 --> 00:17:27.710 but, um, Like the Bills made this bold move that 00:17:27.710 --> 00:17:29.970 they were going to reset this roster. Like so 00:17:29.970 --> 00:17:32.450 many other teams, New England in the past with 00:17:32.450 --> 00:17:35.109 Tom Brady, like the Chiefs had already done once 00:17:35.109 --> 00:17:36.809 with Mahomes after getting rid of Tyreek Hill. 00:17:36.809 --> 00:17:39.170 The Bills were now going down that path. And 00:17:39.170 --> 00:17:40.869 then after they get to the AFC championship, 00:17:41.190 --> 00:17:43.170 they bring back a lot of retreads. You know what 00:17:43.170 --> 00:17:46.289 I mean? Like, and then they got some of the good 00:17:46.289 --> 00:17:48.309 signings they did make, like a Shaq Thompson. 00:17:48.410 --> 00:17:50.329 I, for the life of me, will never understand 00:17:50.329 --> 00:17:57.069 why Shaq Thompson was competing for starts. And 00:17:57.069 --> 00:17:59.410 to me, that's a McDermott thing, right? That's 00:17:59.410 --> 00:18:03.029 McDermott being loyal to his guy, right? And 00:18:03.029 --> 00:18:06.279 Shaq Thompson. We all saw it on film. We all 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:08.380 saw it on the, in the game broadcast was clearly 00:18:08.380 --> 00:18:11.019 the better player given whatever Bernard was, 00:18:11.299 --> 00:18:13.819 was doing. McDermott was simply not willing to 00:18:13.819 --> 00:18:16.579 walk away from him, right? Until, until Bernard 00:18:16.579 --> 00:18:19.160 made the decision for him by, by having to set 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:21.160 out because of an injury for a few games. You 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:23.420 know what I mean? But like Shaq Thompson has 00:18:23.420 --> 00:18:26.180 said, he wants to come back, but He wants to 00:18:26.180 --> 00:18:29.980 start somewhere. And right now with Milano likely 00:18:29.980 --> 00:18:32.559 gone, there's no reason why Shaq Thompson shouldn't 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:35.299 be starting for this team. And it felt like McDermott 00:18:35.299 --> 00:18:37.180 was a little bit of a barrier to that because 00:18:37.180 --> 00:18:39.000 of his loyalty to some of the guys on the roster. 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:42.819 Like it cuts both ways. Like the roster sucked, 00:18:43.299 --> 00:18:45.660 but McDermott also didn't always play the right 00:18:45.660 --> 00:18:48.960 notes. I mean, let's go back in our time machine 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:52.180 to Tim Settle and Puna Ford. Today I have found 00:18:52.180 --> 00:18:55.500 myself thinking... more than any person should 00:18:55.500 --> 00:18:59.839 about Tim Settle and Puna Ford because these 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:02.019 were players that offered something. Yeah. Right. 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:04.859 These were two really good players that the Bills 00:19:04.859 --> 00:19:08.140 brought in. Flamed out with this team in this 00:19:08.140 --> 00:19:11.140 scheme and this defensive line scheme went to 00:19:11.140 --> 00:19:14.480 other teams Houston and I think Puna was with 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:17.259 the LA Chargers. Yep. And gangbusters, right? 00:19:17.380 --> 00:19:19.740 Puna Ford is indispensable to the Chargers at 00:19:19.740 --> 00:19:22.220 this point. You know what I mean? But couldn't 00:19:22.220 --> 00:19:24.940 make it work here. You know what I mean? I just 00:19:24.940 --> 00:19:29.240 like, again, it goes both ways. And to me, it's 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:33.599 a sign that GM and coach were not always on the 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:35.950 same page. with the groceries that were on the 00:19:35.950 --> 00:19:37.950 shopping list and how the meal should be cooked 00:19:37.950 --> 00:19:41.730 to pull out a bill parcels. I've always loved 00:19:41.730 --> 00:19:45.569 that reference. Right. So if you're the organization. 00:19:45.950 --> 00:19:48.609 and you have the political leverage that Brandon 00:19:48.609 --> 00:19:50.609 Bean does, because he's close to Josh, he's close 00:19:50.609 --> 00:19:53.069 to the Pugulas, he's close to a lot of people 00:19:53.069 --> 00:19:55.990 in the Pugulas in her circle, you play that leverage 00:19:55.990 --> 00:19:59.009 and you're like, listen, this is a move that 00:19:59.009 --> 00:20:01.049 signals that the Bills felt the roster was competitive. 00:20:01.210 --> 00:20:03.930 And we can all laugh at that, right? But what 00:20:03.930 --> 00:20:06.210 are the Bills in reality? They're a team that's 00:20:06.210 --> 00:20:08.250 won as many games as you said, in large part 00:20:08.250 --> 00:20:10.630 to McDermott. But they're also a team that has 00:20:10.630 --> 00:20:12.809 led the league in point differential over the 00:20:12.809 --> 00:20:14.829 course of that time as well. That doesn't have, 00:20:14.930 --> 00:20:16.509 that doesn't happen because your roster sucks 00:20:16.509 --> 00:20:18.329 every year. You know what I mean? It's gotta 00:20:18.329 --> 00:20:20.089 be a mix of good coaching, but you're hitting 00:20:20.089 --> 00:20:23.250 on some of these guys too. So, you know, it's 00:20:23.250 --> 00:20:26.710 to me, to me, if there was ever going to be that 00:20:26.710 --> 00:20:28.849 fight between the guy buying the groceries and 00:20:28.849 --> 00:20:30.990 the chef making the meal, it was always going 00:20:30.990 --> 00:20:32.650 to be the guy buying the groceries. Cause he 00:20:32.650 --> 00:20:34.349 had the leverage with ownership and leverage 00:20:34.349 --> 00:20:37.529 with the QB. Yeah, I mean I I sent a gift to 00:20:37.529 --> 00:20:40.829 my like Bill's fan chat of a baseball player 00:20:40.829 --> 00:20:45.190 sliding into a base Face -first up the second 00:20:45.190 --> 00:20:48.650 baseman's took us to I was like live look at 00:20:48.650 --> 00:20:51.490 being with Pugula Yeah, I'm pretty much that 00:20:51.490 --> 00:20:55.470 just it just feels a promotion a Promotion and 00:20:55.470 --> 00:20:57.529 the firing of the head coach in the same day 00:20:57.529 --> 00:21:00.390 is just like whoa Yeah, so he definitely has 00:21:00.390 --> 00:21:03.170 has the voice is the voice that Pugula is listening 00:21:03.170 --> 00:21:06.640 to in there in the building And so, this is a 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:08.859 situation where, you know, for better or worse, 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:12.700 we will see how this roster looks, and then whomever 00:21:12.700 --> 00:21:15.019 is actually cooking the meal, food they can produce. 00:21:15.140 --> 00:21:17.559 Without a doubt. Because it's been edible for 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:20.460 a while, but there have been seasons it hasn't 00:21:20.460 --> 00:21:23.599 reached past one Michelin star. Yeah, and I mean, 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:26.099 to me, that, like, this is the most vanilla, 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:28.819 simple take I can give. Nin McDermott have had 00:21:28.819 --> 00:21:31.829 shared success and shared failure. And to me, 00:21:31.829 --> 00:21:33.849 they should have owned the accountability for 00:21:33.849 --> 00:21:35.349 the most recent failure and they both should 00:21:35.349 --> 00:21:37.769 have been gone. Like I think, I think it's, and 00:21:37.769 --> 00:21:39.829 I could be proven to be wrong. Like Bean could 00:21:39.829 --> 00:21:41.990 go trade for Justin Jefferson all of a sudden 00:21:41.990 --> 00:21:44.890 and find his like his, his chutzpah again, when 00:21:44.890 --> 00:21:47.509 it comes to making bold moves. He could trade 00:21:47.509 --> 00:21:50.289 two first round picks and go get our Will Anderson 00:21:50.289 --> 00:21:52.849 and Arvel Reese, right? Like he could go do all 00:21:52.849 --> 00:21:54.910 those things or he couldn't and he could continue 00:21:54.910 --> 00:21:56.849 to play money ball with this roster. Who knows? 00:21:56.930 --> 00:22:00.069 But I think the shared success and the shared 00:22:00.069 --> 00:22:02.579 accountability. both need to be acknowledged. 00:22:02.900 --> 00:22:04.740 And I think the Bills only did half of that job. 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:07.299 And by keeping Bean, I think ultimately the franchise 00:22:07.299 --> 00:22:10.160 made a mistake. Yeah. You should start trending 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:14.819 big backstabber Bean on our socials. Dude, I 00:22:14.819 --> 00:22:17.480 will. Do it, please. That is the type of shit 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:21.000 posting that we have been coming off for. It'll 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:22.940 take off. It really will be. It really will be. 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:26.960 JJ, I want to talk a little bit about I want 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:28.599 to, we're going to wrap this up and we're going 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:31.220 to give, I think, our takes on who we want the 00:22:31.220 --> 00:22:32.680 bills to target. There's some great candidates 00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:34.539 out there and things like that, but I need to 00:22:34.539 --> 00:22:36.660 get your take on something. You know, we've talked 00:22:36.660 --> 00:22:38.700 about the internal factors that probably forced 00:22:38.700 --> 00:22:41.440 this move, the ticking clock that is in everyone 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:45.380 in Orchard Park's brain about Josh Allen's age, 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:48.019 his window, his prime, how long it'll be open, 00:22:48.339 --> 00:22:50.240 the physicality he plays with, all those things, 00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:54.519 right? How much do you think the Patriots' success 00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:57.750 this year? factored into this, right? And let 00:22:57.750 --> 00:23:00.089 me, and I've given you a lot of long runways 00:23:00.089 --> 00:23:02.329 for questions tonight. I will keep this one short. 00:23:02.769 --> 00:23:04.769 Vrabel comes in one year and it's a turnaround. 00:23:05.029 --> 00:23:07.769 And he plays the CEO type, which you think you 00:23:07.769 --> 00:23:10.170 got McDermott, who correctly identifies how the 00:23:10.170 --> 00:23:13.740 QB needs to be managed. He takes one of your, 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:15.480 whatever you want to say about Stefan Diggs, 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:18.380 but he takes someone who is a franchise cornerstone, 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:21.559 a historic all -time great Buffalo Bill, after 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:24.200 a disgruntled end to his run here and an injury 00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:27.720 -plagued run in Houston, brings him in, not only 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:30.880 makes him a competitive contributor again, but 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:32.700 as someone who has said, at least in all of his 00:23:32.700 --> 00:23:34.480 media takes, that he's actually buying in to 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:37.920 what variable has to say, right? Do you look 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:40.880 at any of New England success and the fact that 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:43.160 listen, I hate to say this Bill's mafia Drake 00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:44.819 may is gonna play in a Super Bowl before Josh 00:23:44.819 --> 00:23:47.940 Allen like Jared Stidham is not not stopping 00:23:47.940 --> 00:23:51.640 New England and Drake may so given that Drake 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:54.440 may will reach a Super Bowl before Josh Allen 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:57.359 and The success that variable had in turning 00:23:57.359 --> 00:23:59.839 that around. Do you think now that the Patriots 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:03.279 are back played any role in the bills decision? 00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:07.250 Yeah, absolutely. And I think it If it, it's 00:24:07.250 --> 00:24:09.369 not going to be the thing that made, they didn't 00:24:09.369 --> 00:24:12.890 think of the thing because of that, but that 00:24:12.890 --> 00:24:16.349 is the catalyst that drove a sense of urgency 00:24:16.349 --> 00:24:18.329 to make the decision. Right? Like I think this 00:24:18.329 --> 00:24:21.009 decision, clearly they'd probably been considering 00:24:21.009 --> 00:24:22.549 it. I think they'd probably been considering 00:24:22.549 --> 00:24:26.049 it for two years now at this point of disappointing 00:24:26.049 --> 00:24:29.839 losses in the playoffs. this, but I do think 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:32.259 that having a more competitive AFC East, looking 00:24:32.259 --> 00:24:33.980 around and being like, oh man, we can't sit, 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:35.980 we can't rest on our laurels and be the same 00:24:35.980 --> 00:24:38.480 old Bills this year, next year, et cetera, because 00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:40.539 we have, we just lost the division for the first 00:24:40.539 --> 00:24:43.299 time in five years and the Patriots don't seem 00:24:43.299 --> 00:24:44.920 to be a team that's going to go away, right? 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:47.759 And so I think that there was a sense of urgency 00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:49.519 created by this. I don't think this is the reason, 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:52.119 but I think it created a sense of urgency. Yeah, 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:56.059 I agree. Um, I think this happens even if Houston 00:24:56.059 --> 00:24:58.720 beats New England, but I think this is weighing 00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:00.680 on that. That's a factor in their mind. And listen, 00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:04.599 they chose Joe Brady and what Sean McDermott 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:07.240 and Joe Brady wanted the vision of this offense 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:11.720 to be over keeping Stefan Diggs, right? Stefan 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:13.960 Diggs is still a competitive player. He's still 00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:16.559 a contributing player But this is the reason 00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:19.000 why he talked his way out of Buffalo wasn't I 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:21.200 think do there's a relationship with Josh He 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:23.859 saw what Brady wanted to do and was like not 00:25:23.859 --> 00:25:26.480 for me. I'm not blocking I'm not gonna be on 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:29.279 the field 40 snaps a game and blocking for 32 00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:33.859 of them Exactly. Exactly, you know, so so I mean 00:25:33.859 --> 00:25:37.140 listen Time time will tell if this was the correct 00:25:37.140 --> 00:25:40.650 decision or not I think, and this is where, well, 00:25:40.809 --> 00:25:43.470 before we, before we end real quick, what are 00:25:43.470 --> 00:25:45.250 your thoughts on who the bill should target? 00:25:45.630 --> 00:25:47.690 I've got Jesse Minter at the top of my list. 00:25:47.809 --> 00:25:50.210 And I like him as a package deal because he's 00:25:50.210 --> 00:25:52.630 got some connection with Mike McDaniel. I like 00:25:52.630 --> 00:25:57.029 him or Kubiak coming out of, out of LA as like 00:25:57.029 --> 00:25:59.930 the new young up and coming head coach, both 00:25:59.930 --> 00:26:03.329 of whom have a lot of ties to the Shanahan McVeigh 00:26:03.329 --> 00:26:06.119 coaching tree. and then Minter with the Harbaugh 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:08.339 coaching tree as well and could bring in a guy 00:26:08.339 --> 00:26:11.160 like McDaniel to be the OC. Well, I think the 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:13.539 person you were trying to think of was Neil Scheelhaus. 00:26:13.980 --> 00:26:17.140 Yes. Yes. He feels a year early. Yeah, passing. 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:19.019 He's definitely not head coach material, but 00:26:19.019 --> 00:26:20.660 like he's the kind of player or he's the kind 00:26:20.660 --> 00:26:23.240 of coach that I feel like you might be able to 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:26.920 pry out of the Rams with an OC offer if you have 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:29.609 a a coach that wants a good OC that's up and 00:26:29.609 --> 00:26:32.309 coming. I mean, Shula might bring them around. 00:26:32.869 --> 00:26:34.869 Right, right, right. Yeah, no, I think that those 00:26:34.869 --> 00:26:37.609 are good. Your picks are similar to my picks. 00:26:37.869 --> 00:26:39.829 I will go in a different direction and tell you 00:26:39.829 --> 00:26:42.410 who I absolutely do not want to see because I 00:26:42.410 --> 00:26:44.609 don't know the field enough to give you ideas 00:26:44.609 --> 00:26:47.390 of who I do want to see. I do not want to see 00:26:47.390 --> 00:26:49.609 Brian Dable as a head coach of this team. I do 00:26:49.609 --> 00:26:51.630 not want to see Mike Tomlin, even though they'd 00:26:51.630 --> 00:26:53.670 have to trade for him, which is insane. He's 00:26:53.670 --> 00:26:55.569 already stated to teams calling him that he's 00:26:55.569 --> 00:26:59.190 not interested in coaching. 26. And then I am 00:26:59.190 --> 00:27:01.609 horrified that they'll hire Mike McDaniel or 00:27:01.609 --> 00:27:05.349 Brian Flores, right? Like there are retread coaches 00:27:05.349 --> 00:27:07.529 in the league that I'm very afraid of Pegula 00:27:07.529 --> 00:27:11.150 or being making the decision to bring in because 00:27:11.150 --> 00:27:14.569 I think that's a step down for McDermott. Yeah. 00:27:15.190 --> 00:27:17.470 Um, there's been a lot of like, Hey, bring day 00:27:17.470 --> 00:27:22.130 ball back. And for me, again, day ball, buy him 00:27:22.130 --> 00:27:23.809 a beer. Whenever I see him in Buffalo, you know 00:27:23.809 --> 00:27:25.589 what I mean? For everything that he did for Josh, 00:27:25.589 --> 00:27:29.650 but, and for this franchise, this is a, this 00:27:29.650 --> 00:27:32.109 is a win now move. This is a, you're the new 00:27:32.109 --> 00:27:34.789 head coach of the Buffalo Bills. Your job year 00:27:34.789 --> 00:27:37.809 one is to variable it. It's to get to the Superbowl 00:27:37.809 --> 00:27:40.410 and do the thing that we have never been able 00:27:40.410 --> 00:27:44.630 to do before. Brian Dable. is an emotional head 00:27:44.630 --> 00:27:47.069 coach that does not know how to modulate through 00:27:47.069 --> 00:27:50.210 the inevitable downturns in the season. He is 00:27:50.210 --> 00:27:53.950 great when things are going great and he is horrifying 00:27:53.950 --> 00:27:56.970 when things are going bad. And I do not think 00:27:56.970 --> 00:28:00.569 after the flawed but steady hand of Sean McDermott, 00:28:00.750 --> 00:28:03.230 you want to bring a guy as volatile as Dable 00:28:03.230 --> 00:28:06.940 into this clubhouse. And Flores is a little bit 00:28:06.940 --> 00:28:09.099 of the same way. I would love him as a DC, but 00:28:09.099 --> 00:28:12.279 as another head coach run, I agree with you, 00:28:12.299 --> 00:28:15.059 but I'd love him as a DC. I'd love him as a DC 00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:17.180 a lot. Yeah, I think he's good for that. I would 00:28:17.180 --> 00:28:19.500 also love anyone from his staff as a DC. You 00:28:19.500 --> 00:28:22.059 know, like their DB coach, I can't remember his 00:28:22.059 --> 00:28:23.779 name, but he's getting some looks for head coaches 00:28:23.779 --> 00:28:26.279 jobs right now. I'd snap that dude up in a second 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:29.960 to go call plays. Anthony Weaver, again, he's 00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:32.680 on the outside looking in for my finalist list 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:36.660 here for head coach, but shoot, man. If you are 00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:38.599 any one of these head coaching candidates, the 00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:39.920 staff that you're going to bring in is going 00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:42.900 to matter maybe more than, more than the hire 00:28:42.900 --> 00:28:46.460 itself. Right. So if you are a guy who can, and 00:28:46.460 --> 00:28:48.660 this is the only situation I would maybe be okay 00:28:48.660 --> 00:28:50.819 with Mike McDaniel. If you can pry a guy like 00:28:50.819 --> 00:28:54.779 Anthony Weaver away. Yeah, man. I mean, so we'll 00:28:54.779 --> 00:28:57.420 see how it goes. I think for Sean McDermott, 00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:00.200 he's going to have opportunities. If I am Tennessee. 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.240 I'm absolutely not hiring Matt Nagy and I'm calling 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:07.099 Sean McDermott tomorrow. If I'm LA or Las Vegas, 00:29:07.460 --> 00:29:10.119 I'm not hiring Joe Brady. I'm calling Sean McDermott 00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.819 tomorrow. Even though how funny would it be? 00:29:13.220 --> 00:29:15.839 Like the least Vegas guy in the world and then 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:18.099 they're going to draft Fernando Mendoza, who 00:29:18.099 --> 00:29:21.079 is the least Vegas QB you could imagine. Those 00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:23.359 two guys are on the face of the franchise of 00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:26.480 Sin City. I'd be amazing. It'd be amazing content. 00:29:26.660 --> 00:29:28.220 But if you're Las Vegas, you make that call. 00:29:28.579 --> 00:29:30.940 Like if you're the Browns, like I know like you're 00:29:30.940 --> 00:29:33.619 going to suck for a couple of years. And this 00:29:33.619 --> 00:29:35.519 is why you're considering promoting Jim Schwartz 00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:37.519 on a short term deal until you can get a QB and 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:39.660 hire a real coach. Right. But like, go get your 00:29:39.660 --> 00:29:42.160 real coach now. Right. Yeah. Like go let Sean 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:44.240 McDermott play with Myles Garrett and that defensive 00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:47.420 line. Oh my gosh. Give him a five year deal. 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:49.339 And you know, Myles Garrett will set the sack 00:29:49.339 --> 00:29:52.589 record for those years. Exactly. He's built, 00:29:52.910 --> 00:29:55.390 that's the thing is like in the off season pre, 00:29:55.390 --> 00:29:59.269 you know, pre 2025, the smoke around Miles Garrett 00:29:59.269 --> 00:30:01.509 potentially being traded. I think that would 00:30:01.509 --> 00:30:04.329 have like, that probably would have fixed the 00:30:04.329 --> 00:30:08.509 defense. I mean, yeah, so much would have fixed, 00:30:08.509 --> 00:30:10.009 so much would have fixed the defense, right? 00:30:11.250 --> 00:30:14.109 There's no reason rehashing all that. Yeah, absolutely. 00:30:14.910 --> 00:30:18.099 Yeah. So I don't have. many ideas in terms of 00:30:18.099 --> 00:30:19.420 which direction I want them to go in. It's all 00:30:19.420 --> 00:30:21.680 very fresh. I'll dig into that as the coaching 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:24.920 carousel spins. But I do know that I don't want 00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:30.160 another retread. I don't want a Belichick -Dable 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.140 coaching. That's been floated around on socials 00:30:33.140 --> 00:30:37.019 too. Bringing back Bill Belichick from the college 00:30:37.019 --> 00:30:40.619 ranks and then have him hire Dable as his OC. 00:30:43.369 --> 00:30:46.750 He would do everything, including maybe kidnapping 00:30:46.750 --> 00:30:49.349 Drake May to make sure he beat the Patriots every 00:30:49.349 --> 00:30:52.470 day, every week. Well, yeah. I know, man. Belichick, 00:30:52.509 --> 00:30:54.829 talk about a culture killer. Talk about a culture. 00:30:55.069 --> 00:30:57.089 And listen, we may be threading too fine of a 00:30:57.089 --> 00:30:59.690 needle, but like, I don't want to win that way. 00:30:59.930 --> 00:31:01.789 You know what I mean? I want to do it the right 00:31:01.789 --> 00:31:06.230 way. Like it would be dishonorable to the legacy, 00:31:06.230 --> 00:31:09.930 I think, of this franchise to do it that way. 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:12.819 Like we've handled losing so well over the years. 00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:15.380 My daughter, we're watching the Four Falls of 00:31:15.380 --> 00:31:17.460 Buffalo, my annual tradition when the Bills don't 00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:20.240 make the Super Bowl. And we, we left it off and 00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:22.799 we got to pick it up with Bills fans after Scott 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:24.940 Norwood missed the field goal in the, what was 00:31:24.940 --> 00:31:27.619 it, the 1990 against the Giants in the 1990 Super 00:31:27.619 --> 00:31:30.039 Bowl, right? And like everybody on the steps 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:32.819 of, you know, City Hall, like chanting for him, 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:35.019 screaming his name. I'm like, you see. That's 00:31:35.019 --> 00:31:36.859 what we do as Bills Mafia. We always support 00:31:36.859 --> 00:31:39.299 our own, no matter what. And a guy like Belichick 00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:40.859 absolutely kills that, you know what I mean? 00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:43.380 So, yeah. Please, Scott, no. And speaking of 00:31:43.380 --> 00:31:45.400 supporting our own and having class, I think 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:47.440 that Sean McDermott's a way, and we can end with 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:50.160 this, his message to the Mafia, to the fans, 00:31:50.299 --> 00:31:52.680 to the players, city of Buffalo to everybody, 00:31:52.819 --> 00:31:55.160 was super classy. He was a class act the whole 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.200 way through, you know, really respectable guy. 00:31:57.679 --> 00:32:00.980 Same. Yeah, same. I wish him the best. I thank 00:32:00.980 --> 00:32:03.400 him for, I mean, he brought us out of the drought 00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:05.500 before we drafted Josh. A lot of people forget 00:32:05.500 --> 00:32:08.000 that. He did it with Tyrod Taylor, right? And 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:11.559 a lot of Rex Ryan holdovers. So, I mean, the 00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:16.079 man is a good coach who set the standards for 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:19.119 this franchise to become great. He failed to 00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:21.440 meet the new expectations and standards that 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.220 he himself helped to build, but it doesn't mean 00:32:24.220 --> 00:32:26.019 he was a failure. He was a great coach. He gave 00:32:26.019 --> 00:32:27.700 us great memories, and we wish him nothing but 00:32:27.700 --> 00:32:30.740 the best. Absolutely. All right. Bills Mafia, 00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:35.480 that should be it. So JJ and I are not going 00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:37.400 to record regularly, but we're not going to go 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:39.819 on our full off -season hiatus here because obviously 00:32:39.819 --> 00:32:41.819 the Bills are going to hire a coach. in the next 00:32:41.819 --> 00:32:43.319 couple of weeks before the start of the league 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:44.599 year. And we're going to come back to give you 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:46.819 our thoughts on that. But until then, like, share 00:32:46.819 --> 00:32:49.519 and subscribe wherever you get podcasts, YouTube, 00:32:49.779 --> 00:32:52.059 Apple and Spotify. And as always, go Bills. Go 00:32:52.059 --> 00:32:52.319 Bills.