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Welcome back to the Buffalo Bread Podcast. I'm

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J .J. Bryce, one of your co -hosts who has been

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notoriously absent this summer. Here as always

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with or here as not always with Dan Roberts.

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Dan, how are you doing, buddy? I'm doing good,

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man. It's great to have you back to talk some

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Bills football. We have a lot of catching up

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to do. Unlike our previous off seasons where

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we have been had a constant line of text communication

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going back and forth and phone calls catching

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up about the squad. We literally have not talked.

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any bills together on the same pod or in the

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same conversation all summer. So I'm great. It's

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great to finally get back into it with you. Yeah,

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I'm excited. It's kind of a interesting off season,

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the bills, of course, being on hard knocks a

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lot of different develops developments with a

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roster in a very defensive heavy. roster and

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rookie class that we can talk through. And you

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know, I know that we've had a number of friends

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of the pod and I'm as always ever thankful for

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those guys to come on and talk some football

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with you when when I was unable. So, yeah, I

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mean, where do you want to begin with this this

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offseason? We're recording on August 21st. We're

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the last week of the preseason games this Saturday

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against the Buccaneers happens. And then it's

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kind of off to this off to the races with the

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season. Cut day is next Saturday. Um, let's,

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let's work our way from the present into the

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past, because I think there are some notable

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things that came out of Bill's practice today.

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Uh, I think most importantly, potential injury

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situation with Trey white Trey white goes down

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today, a practice JJ, uh, it appears to be a

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right leg, right foot, lower body injury. We

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know that Trey unfortunately has a history of

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struggling with these injuries. It's part of

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what ended his original stint with the Bills

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a couple of years back. Bills were hoping for

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a healthy season out of him, hoping that he could

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elevate the floor of this cornerback room that

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outside of Christian Benford last season really

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got picked on by opposing teams. But it looks

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like with the injury to Trey. some uncertainty

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now as to who is going to play opposite Benford,

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given who is left on the roster. JJ, what we

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don't know is what the type of injury is, if

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he will miss time, if he does miss time, how

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much, but given Trey White's recent history with

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injuries of this nature, I think it's a little

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bit unsettling and it opens up a lot of questions

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about Do the Bills need to now make a move here

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a few days, a few weeks before the season starts

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to go get a reliable CB2 to play opposite Christian

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Benford? I think that the Bills need to do something

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at CB2, but that thing might be thrusting Maxwell

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Hairston into starting because I think he's healthy.

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I think that they've they've decided they've

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probably at this point decided that he if they're

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watching the same games I am. they've probably

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decided that Harrison needs to start across from

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Christian Benford. And Trey White being injured

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is super unfortunate because I think we both

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appreciate what Trey has been as a player for

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this team. But the story of him getting older

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and having repeated severe serious lower body

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injuries year over year and then struggling with

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rehab and coming back and looking a little bit

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slower, a little bit older. Uh, as is the case

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with so many players that this may be the way

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his career ends. Um, if this is another serious

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one, because he bounced around on different teams

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while rehabbing and trying to come back to form

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last year. Um, and the Bills were excited to

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bring him back as healthy as he's been in four

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seasons. Um, and you know, if this is something,

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you know, I guess he was hopping off on one leg

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and then was taken by a cart to the locker room.

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Uh, which I think sad Brown pointed out. may

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not have been because of severity, it might have

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been because it's a long, wide way of walking

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up a ramp from the, you know, practice facility

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back to the locker room. So, I don't know, we'll

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see what comes of it, but I think that it's probably

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Maxwell Harrison. I think they're hopeful that

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his injury resolves in a way and he doesn't go

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backwards in any way. When the team starts the

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season, But I do think that there's a chance,

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you know, if we're looking around, Sante Samuel

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Jr. still out there, Rasul Douglas, you know,

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maybe he rides again with the Bills, even though

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he looked pretty cooked in his the last four

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to six games of the season with the Bills. Stefan

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Gilmore, another retread that they could consider

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back, who has had some actual solid seasons in

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his later career. He's been effective. Yeah,

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he's been effective. He's been probably an average

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to just above average starting outside corner

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for the last two or three seasons. And then James

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Bradbury would be the classic Sean McDermott

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hire in this situation, somebody who is way past

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his prime. You know might be able to do some

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stuff Who's the the former Carolina Panthers?

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CB who got trucked by Derek Henry that we had

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on the team for one Josh Norman Josh Norman James

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Bradbury would be like the Josh Norman redemption

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arc Which was a one season kind of fizzle and

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failure? Yeah, I think it's yeah. Yeah, no keep

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going keep going. Oh, yeah No, I think that that's

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where they're at. You know next man up Dane Jackson's

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Marcus Ingram Dorian strong This could be Dorian

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Strong's Christian Benford story, where he is

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drafted in a late round, is forced into an opportunity

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starting, you know, opposite on the outside and

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never relinquishes that position. And that would

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be great if that's the way this arc ended up

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going. And I agree with you. The answer is probably

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in the long run over 17 games Hairston when he

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does get healthy and when he does come back.

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But even when even when camp started, the Bills

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were coaching him really, really hard. Like he

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was still struggling with core concepts of the

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defense, his positioning in zone in particular.

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I mean, the athletic traits, the pop, the speed.

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the closing speed in particular, something we

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haven't seen a Bills DB be able to do across

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the middle in some time. I mean, it's all there

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with Harrison. I don't know that this bills coaching

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staff though JJ is going to pull the trigger

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on putting him in the starting lineup. The moment

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he is healthy. I think it's more likely they're

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going to platoon him in get him comfortable is

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he if he has given a clean bill of health by

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week one or by week two. I could see it be as

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far as maybe week six or even seven before we

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see Harrison in there and I think they roll with

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a rotation of Dane Jackson into Marcus Ingram

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two guys. who we know exactly what we're getting

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out of them and the bills like predictability

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out of those positions. I think we roll the platoon

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of those two guys until Harrison gets not only

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the clean bill of health, but the blessing of

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this bill's coaching staff to be able to take

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the reins opposite Christian Benford. I think

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that's more more likely than not. I'm not ruling

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out a free agent CB at this particular point

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either. But I mean, listen, Stefan or Rizul Douglas

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gives you exactly what Trey White was giving

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you. And at least here in the preseason love

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Trey. This is not Trey Slander. But the reality

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is, is that game he played against the Giants

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in the preseason getting cooked across the middle.

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Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart regularly targeting

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Trey White in one -on -one coverage. The floor

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of both Douglas and White to me is the same,

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and to me it's a wash, and I would stay away

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from Douglas. Asante Samuel Jr. doesn't have

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the tackling chops that the Bills typically look

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for in the run game and specifically from their

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cornerbacks. Gilmore is the only one maybe out

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there I take a fly around because again, he's

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been really effective. His closest defender metrics,

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while those are really difficult to sort website

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to website, you know, be it PFF or be it, um,

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FTN, his closest defender metrics are still pretty

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good for a guy his age to me out of the free

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agent group that's available. He brings the highest

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floor to the squad, but also probably the heftiest

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price tag too. Sure, but I think it's one of

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those things where you know things you don't

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want to cheap out on hiking boots tents. and

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outside starting cornerbacks. You pay for what

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you get, right? Like you want tools, right? Like

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there are things that you are worth their cost

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and Stefan Gilmore, in a moment against Patrick

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Mahomes for the AFC championship, having that

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extra yard of closure speed or that extra length

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to bat down a ball, that might be the trick,

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right? That might be worth three or $4 million.

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Yeah, absolutely. Uh, a lot of wait and see here.

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We got to see what the nature of Trey White's

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injury is. God forbid it is using a season ending.

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I think at that point, the bill has got to make

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a move. I just don't think you can roll in with

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Dane Jackson, Jamarcus Ingram, Dorian Strong

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and Maxwell Harrison as your rotation for 17

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straight games. I think you need one more vet.

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Well, and I think too that if, if in fact this

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is a a season ending injury for Trey White, it's

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probably a career ending injury for Trey White.

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Just based on age, based on the way his abilities

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looked even at what we'd consider full health

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this summer. Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully not the

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case. Wish him the best of Trey. Throwing our

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thoughts out there to him. We love Trey. He is

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a Buffalo Bill through and through. And we hope

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that whatever it is that Al's him right now,

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it is a quick and speedy recovery and he can

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get back on the field for the squad. JJ, speaking

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of on the field, there is a younger member of

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the Bill secondary that has had issues getting

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on the field due to injuries both last offseason

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and this offseason. And he has been called out

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by one Sean McDermott. And I, of course, am speaking

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about about my 2020 for 2024. Yes, draft crush

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one Cole Bishop who the bill's been a second

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round pick on injuries have limited his availability

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and when he has been on the field, the athletic

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traits are there JJ similar Maxwell Harrison

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early on. However, the processing speed within

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the scheme is not there yet. He looked Downright

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atrocious against the Chicago Bears. Now granted,

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the Bills are not running anything spectacular

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with regard to coverage. They're not concealing

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any coverage. They're basically asking their

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guys to win their one -on -one matchups, but

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Cole had a hard time even doing that against

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a Caleb Williams -led Bears squad. So JJ, what

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are your thoughts on the Cole Bishop situation?

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There are... Calls coming from Bill's mafia for

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Justin Simmons to get signed to the squad ASAP.

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Simmons, who you and I both advocated for joining

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the team last off season, did not have his finest

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moments in Atlanta last season, and that is why

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he still finds himself on the market. That being

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said, great scheme fit, the type of leadership

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skills that we know. the Bills are looking for

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in that position room. Uh, and we know he's got

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familiarity with our style of defense. So JJ,

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where are you at? Is all this Cole Bishop stuff

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with Sean McDermott, a motivation tactic, or

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is there a real possibility that they're bringing

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in yet another safety to compete for the starting

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job opposite Taylor wrap? Oh my gosh. The thing

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that I think about every time I start thinking

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about Cole Bishop is how freaking, how we forgot

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that we were, or we didn't know we were in the

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good old days when we were in the good old days

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with Micah Hyde and Jordan Poirier in their prime

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for years where nobody even needed to talk about

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safety. It was just like, well, you know, it

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was like a completely forgotten thing. Well,

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those guys will be back and we'll think about

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corner, right? Or we'll think about defensive

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line because we have that completely locked down

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with an all -pro or two all -pros. And so that's

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one thing I think about often when I'm thinking

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about Cole Bishop. And then also, you know, I

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had a very polite, friendly exchange with somebody

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else in Bill's Mafia because I referenced something

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somewhat recently. There was a research that

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came out that tied certain genetic markers to

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prevalence of soft tissue injuries. And I was

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like, is it possible he's got the like the the

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dinged up gene, right? Like the thing that they've

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identified that could make it easier for you

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to pull a hammy or do this, do that. And the

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person astutely pointed out that he had a fracture

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last year and this year was a soft tissue. So

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it probably isn't genetic because it was two

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different things that aren't both tied to the

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gene. But my point stands, his availability is

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his least attractive ability right now. He has

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not been around when the Bills have needed him

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to be around and he continues to struggle when

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he is. He looked like he was shaking off a lot

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of rust. You know, after rewatching the, um,

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the Chicago game and his 13 or 15 snaps or whatever

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it was, he was getting absolutely no help from

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Joe Andreessen. and some of his other players

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that the way that the McDermott defense works

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all the players have to know where their space

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and where their help is and squeeze routes in

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certain ways and they were playing a very very

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vanilla defense they were every third every third

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down was a was a blitz with a you know a shell

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coverage and they were picking it apart for good

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reason it was pretty easy to diagnose what the

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bills are trying to do and then the Players the

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bills were putting out there were like Brandon

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Codrick to starting it outside corner, right?

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Like which is not an answer ever and so I in

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that regard Being one of the few what I would

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consider starting caliber players on the field

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any at any one time Cole had a hard time. He

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made some mistakes But I don't believe that Justin

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Simmons is an answer because he plays deep free

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That's his kind of bread and butter. He's not

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a strong safety. The Bills are looking for their

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strong safety. They're looking for their like

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thumper coming down to cover tight ends, squeezing

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the crossing routes in the middle of the field,

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closer to the line of scrimmage. And that was

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both Taylor Rap and Cole Bishop's strength. But

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I think that Cole Bishop is a little behind on

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the communication required of the free position

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and the, you know, the necessity of that position

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to get everybody else lined up. They're leaning

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on Taylor Rap for that quite a bit more. Now,

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if Taylor Rapp could stop injuring the other

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players on his team because he's just a heat

00:14:30.659 --> 00:14:32.779
-seeking missile from that position at all times,

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that would be great because I guess that happened

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again in practice today where he whacked Elijah

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Moore or somebody. Oh, they got into a fight.

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There was a scuffle. Yeah. Yeah. Rapp got ejected

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from practice. Yeah. So, bad news there. The

00:14:46.820 --> 00:14:48.399
safety position is falling apart. I don't think

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Justin Simmons is the answer. I actually think

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that... they may have an opportunity with their

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their rookie Jordan Hancock who has looked pretty

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good in spot starts as a potential replacement

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for that strong safety position that was always

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his better fit coming out of Ohio State anyway

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was that kind of safety nickel hybrid which plays

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naturally closer to the line covers more slots

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covers more tight ends and so Who knows me we

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could get a bright lining, you know roster move

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of a rookie replacing a much beleaguered second

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-round pick from last year though I don't think

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either of us would want that because I think

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we both were really excited when Cole Bishop

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was was the was the selection Yeah, I don't think

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you give up on a kid with his traits this early.

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But man, it just seems like the bills are able

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to mold UDF a's six, seventh round guys with

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limited athletic traits into really high functioning,

00:15:52.409 --> 00:15:56.269
high caliber, NFL secondary players. And when

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they get a Kyer Elam or a Cole Bishop or jury's

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out of Maxwell Hairston, right? But you saw the

00:16:03.490 --> 00:16:05.850
same trends of what was happening with Cole Bishop

00:16:05.850 --> 00:16:08.070
last season happening with Hairston and the way

00:16:08.070 --> 00:16:10.350
they were coaching him, his lack of processing

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ability. When they get these like exemplary athletes

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into these secondary roles. They just, they fail

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to seem to be able to integrate those traits

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into their scheme. And I don't want to, I don't,

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I don't want to knock the coaching staff like

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too much, but like Vic Fangio has freaks everywhere

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on the field. You know what I mean? And he is

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adjusting his scheme in Philadelphia to allow

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for those guys to do what they do within, within,

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I think the guidelines, right, of his general

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scheme. The bills seem to force guys, in a lot

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of ways, to adapt to their scheme as the only

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way that they can fit into the defensive schematic.

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And at some point, when you have athlete after

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athlete, and the number one thing keeping you

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from getting over the hump against Kansas City

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is that they're faster than you, or you don't

00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:07.119
have a star on defense, guys with these traits,

00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:09.980
guys with Bishop's traits, Harrison's traits.

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They're the ones that develop into your stars.

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When you, year after year, continue to fail to

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develop guys with those traits and those skills

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and that caliber of athlete, it does really make

00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:23.759
you wonder if there is a rigidity to the scheme

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that needs to change if the bills are ultimately

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going to get over this hump, right? All that

00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:33.259
being said, Cole Bishop, I think it's too early

00:17:33.259 --> 00:17:36.000
to kind of throw him out the door at this point.

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The Justin Simmons thing, though, to me, it's

00:17:38.579 --> 00:17:42.200
intriguing. And here's why. Both rap and Bishop,

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they play better closer to the line of scrimmage.

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And to your point, Simmons is that Mike Hyde

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free safety, like over the top guy. If, if you

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can maximize Cole Bishop by letting him go back

00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:59.380
to doing what he was doing at Utah for the majority

00:17:59.380 --> 00:18:02.200
of his junior year there, which was be that box

00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:05.599
safety. be that strong safety type as a way to

00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:08.700
more comfortably integrate him into the scheme.

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I do think it's valid to look into someone like

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Simmons. And I don't mind that he takes away

00:18:15.539 --> 00:18:18.079
snaps from someone like Rapp, but I think the

00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:20.119
Bills coaching staff really likes Taylor Rapp.

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They really like Rapp and what he brings to the

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table. And I don't know that they would make

00:18:24.099 --> 00:18:26.680
that move. But I do like a situation where Cole

00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:29.460
Bishop maybe has a little bit more of a box safety

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as a way to integrate him in here. Yeah, I think

00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:35.559
we both agree that that's his more natural position

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and you know when you're talking about Kyrie

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alum Cole Bishop the way they're coaching Metro

00:18:39.619 --> 00:18:42.279
Maxwell Hairston It made me think of an analogy

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to my life. I I Am a chubby person of muddled

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European descent If I didn't develop a personality,

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I would never have landed my beautiful wife The

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analogies are back folks They do best with fifth

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and sixth round players who are instinctual without

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elite traits because their defensive scheme is

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built around people who had to develop a good

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instinct for finding the ball because they never

00:19:12.460 --> 00:19:15.799
had the speed to get there. The Buffalo Bills

00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:18.579
players who succeed are the J .J. Bryce's of

00:19:18.579 --> 00:19:22.990
the dating world. And and this is like this is

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a this could be a problem and we see this year

00:19:24.930 --> 00:19:27.089
over year that they like bring these like fifth

00:19:27.089 --> 00:19:30.450
sixth seventh undrafted free agents into reasonable

00:19:30.450 --> 00:19:33.630
rational NFL starters, but then they completely

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fumble the ball with somebody who is like an

00:19:36.509 --> 00:19:39.230
outstanding athlete who never had to develop

00:19:39.230 --> 00:19:41.970
those traits or instincts and Could just rely

00:19:41.970 --> 00:19:43.589
on their athleticism to get there. They don't

00:19:43.589 --> 00:19:45.349
know how to use those guys They don't know how

00:19:45.349 --> 00:19:48.539
to put them in position to succeed and so I really

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hope that their outcomes are as good as mine

00:19:50.579 --> 00:19:55.589
in this, my first analogy of the season. But

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that always seems to be the thing that keeps

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the Bills from taking that next step. We always

00:20:00.369 --> 00:20:03.130
say, where's the speed? As we watch Rasul Douglas

00:20:03.130 --> 00:20:05.269
get burned across the middle of the field. Where's

00:20:05.269 --> 00:20:07.809
the speed? Where's the athleticism? Where's the

00:20:07.809 --> 00:20:10.210
high traits guys that can put this defense over

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the top? You know what I mean? And then when

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they're there in the lap of the squad, I don't

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know what happens. I don't know what happens.

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But I love the analogy. I love the fact that

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the analogies are back with you. I love the fact

00:20:21.710 --> 00:20:26.119
that WebMD Dr. JJ Bryce is also back, as you're

00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:29.720
trying to genetically decode Cole Bishop's DNA.

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I'll dive into all that stuff. Wherever the nether

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regions of the internet takes me to figure out

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ways to identify the gaps in the Buffalo Bills

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plan for finally securing a Super Bowl, I'm going

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to get there, folks, for you, for the fans. I

00:20:45.690 --> 00:20:48.210
love it, man. I love it, man. Uh, along that

00:20:48.210 --> 00:20:50.349
path to the super bowl, the Buffalo Bills, if

00:20:50.349 --> 00:20:52.930
we have seen this off season, JJ have not been

00:20:52.930 --> 00:20:55.410
adverse to reunions with former players. Uh,

00:20:55.470 --> 00:20:57.150
we mentioned Trey white, we've mentioned Dane

00:20:57.150 --> 00:20:59.930
Jackson. There is another former bill who was

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in the house today. Uh, at one, at, um, at one

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orchard park or one bills drive an orchard park.

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Uh, and that would be Gabe Davis. Gabe Davis

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has visited the Steelers since parting ways with

00:21:13.890 --> 00:21:16.690
the Jags this offseason. He's visited with the

00:21:16.690 --> 00:21:19.170
Bills. I think he's made two visits to the Steelers

00:21:19.170 --> 00:21:22.710
this offseason. And he is looking at his options

00:21:22.710 --> 00:21:24.829
about what squad he wants to join before the

00:21:24.829 --> 00:21:28.269
season starts here. JJ, your thoughts on a Gabe

00:21:28.269 --> 00:21:31.990
Davis reunion with Buffalo Bills? I don't want

00:21:31.990 --> 00:21:36.190
anybody who has a 50 % catch rate taking snaps

00:21:36.190 --> 00:21:40.890
away from Keon Coleman or Joshua Palmer. or even

00:21:40.890 --> 00:21:43.529
Curtis Samuel or Elijah Moore, Libiscus Chanal

00:21:43.529 --> 00:21:46.910
or KJ Hamill. Like name any number of wide receivers.

00:21:47.630 --> 00:21:49.890
Tyrell Shavers. I don't want a single snap that

00:21:49.890 --> 00:21:52.130
Tyrell Shavers would otherwise have gotten to

00:21:52.130 --> 00:21:56.210
go to somebody like Gabe Davis. Gabe Davis is

00:21:56.210 --> 00:21:59.329
a Mack Hollins -esque tenacious run blocker.

00:21:59.990 --> 00:22:03.849
He seems like he was a good player in terms of

00:22:03.849 --> 00:22:05.730
developing rookies. He seems like he was a good

00:22:05.730 --> 00:22:08.789
team guy. He just doesn't have the talent or

00:22:08.789 --> 00:22:10.250
the skill set that the bills need to get over

00:22:10.250 --> 00:22:13.190
the hump He's not going to given the wide receiver

00:22:13.190 --> 00:22:15.230
room that they have right now He's not going

00:22:15.230 --> 00:22:16.970
to be enough of an added value to spend money

00:22:16.970 --> 00:22:20.509
on him money. The bills don't have Reportedly

00:22:20.509 --> 00:22:22.769
the reason that he did not sign in Pittsburgh

00:22:22.769 --> 00:22:25.170
is because the cash wasn't there that they weren't

00:22:25.170 --> 00:22:27.230
they didn't offer him What he considered to be

00:22:27.230 --> 00:22:31.319
his market value? which Feels like a weak positioning

00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:34.619
and bargaining strategy as a player who signed

00:22:34.619 --> 00:22:38.220
a pretty big, major multi -year deal. And then

00:22:38.220 --> 00:22:40.460
the team gave up on him after one year, right?

00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:43.119
Like, okay, man, like, I don't know if you are

00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:45.259
exactly the hottest product on the market right

00:22:45.259 --> 00:22:48.740
now. Somebody was able to eat dead cap to get

00:22:48.740 --> 00:22:51.420
rid of you. You felt more valuable off their

00:22:51.420 --> 00:22:54.539
roster than on. Yeah, read the room a little

00:22:54.539 --> 00:22:57.900
bit Gabe Davis But you nailed it and it's the

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it's the two pieces about Coleman and shavers

00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:03.880
that I grew with you I think the most the most

00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:08.819
intensely Keon Coleman is trying to plus up that

00:23:08.819 --> 00:23:12.579
Gabe Davis role on the squad that big contested

00:23:12.579 --> 00:23:15.779
catch not gonna get a lot of separation but bruiser

00:23:15.779 --> 00:23:19.579
type of wide receiver downfield and anything

00:23:19.930 --> 00:23:21.930
Kind of like what the Bills did when they brought

00:23:21.930 --> 00:23:25.829
in Emmanuel Sanders, right? After Davis had a

00:23:25.829 --> 00:23:27.849
couple of breakout games towards the end of his

00:23:27.849 --> 00:23:30.269
rookie year, they bring in Emmanuel Sanders and

00:23:30.269 --> 00:23:32.829
it stunts Davis's development and it takes away

00:23:32.829 --> 00:23:36.549
meaningful snaps and targets from Davis in his

00:23:36.549 --> 00:23:38.849
second season. And he never really recovered

00:23:38.849 --> 00:23:41.529
from that. to me it would be counterintuitive

00:23:41.529 --> 00:23:43.650
when you've got this guy in Coleman who yes is

00:23:43.650 --> 00:23:46.309
a high variance player right now but has shown

00:23:46.309 --> 00:23:49.430
the traits to be an elite contested catch guy

00:23:49.430 --> 00:23:52.049
at least a human human highlight reel once every

00:23:52.049 --> 00:23:55.289
couple of games to me that is a higher floor

00:23:55.289 --> 00:23:57.609
to start from than what Gabe Davis brings you

00:23:57.609 --> 00:24:00.470
even at his best back when he was Buffalo so

00:24:00.470 --> 00:24:03.009
to me I agree with you taking snaps away from

00:24:03.009 --> 00:24:05.660
Coleman counterintuitive And they've had Tyrell

00:24:05.660 --> 00:24:07.660
shavers just sitting there for the past couple

00:24:07.660 --> 00:24:10.259
of years. I love what he brings to the table.

00:24:10.619 --> 00:24:12.480
I mean, what are we always saying? We are looking

00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:15.880
for a wide receiver with size, with speed, with

00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:18.400
athleticism that catches everything that Josh

00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:20.880
can throw their way. And Tyrell shavers with

00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:23.180
the exception of a couple of drops in camp and

00:24:23.180 --> 00:24:26.259
a couple in preseason games. He seems to fit

00:24:26.259 --> 00:24:29.029
that mold. Um, and they're talking themselves

00:24:29.029 --> 00:24:30.950
out of putting him on the roster because they

00:24:30.950 --> 00:24:33.250
don't like his special teams applicability or

00:24:33.250 --> 00:24:36.269
whatever it is. Right. Um, to me, I would rather

00:24:36.269 --> 00:24:39.029
see big body targets like Coleman and Shavers,

00:24:39.269 --> 00:24:42.529
younger guys, cheaper guys get those targets

00:24:42.529 --> 00:24:44.450
than I would Gabe Davis, because we know what

00:24:44.450 --> 00:24:47.930
Gabe Davis is. He's a 50, 50 catch guy who in

00:24:47.930 --> 00:24:49.509
a lot of games is going to give you some solid

00:24:49.509 --> 00:24:52.190
run blocking, but is also not going to generate

00:24:52.190 --> 00:24:54.190
anything other than running a couple of clear

00:24:54.190 --> 00:24:56.250
out routes for Cluel Shakir across the middle.

00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:59.500
So I'm with you. I don't like the idea of the

00:24:59.500 --> 00:25:02.839
Gabe Davis reunion. JJ, let me ask you this question.

00:25:03.779 --> 00:25:08.420
The Buffalo Bills made a bold statement two off

00:25:08.420 --> 00:25:11.079
seasons ago, where they did their version of

00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:13.279
the Red Wedding with this roster. Goodbye, Mitch

00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:15.940
Morse. Goodbye, Ryan Bates. Goodbye, Gabe Davis.

00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:18.980
Dane Jackson not resigned. They part ways emotionally

00:25:18.980 --> 00:25:23.039
with Trey White. What does it say to you that

00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:26.500
the Buffalo Bills uh, uh, less than a year removed

00:25:26.500 --> 00:25:29.400
from losing the AFC championship are now going

00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:31.779
back to the well on some of these guys that they

00:25:31.779 --> 00:25:37.279
got rid of. Um, I'm not, I'm not as upset about

00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:39.319
it because I think a lot of Bill's fans are like,

00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:41.319
Oh, here we go again. They see Sean McDermott

00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:43.920
as this kind of pushover who hires back talent

00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:46.099
that he has said he could walk, walk away from.

00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:50.480
I'm not as much. in terms of being upset of those

00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:53.339
sorts of signings, mostly because, you know,

00:25:53.339 --> 00:25:54.819
I look at the dollars, right? I'm always looking

00:25:54.819 --> 00:25:57.779
at the money. Gabe Davis walked away for a major

00:25:57.779 --> 00:26:00.180
multi -year contract with guaranteed money. If

00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:02.420
he comes back, I can guarantee you the bills

00:26:02.420 --> 00:26:04.720
are not paying him more than two or $3 million

00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:07.819
per year. It's gonna be a lower tier veteran

00:26:07.819 --> 00:26:10.319
kind of minimum deal. If they pay him over $3

00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:13.279
million a year, I'd be absolutely shocked because

00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:16.140
they don't have, with the new and... Injection

00:26:16.140 --> 00:26:18.019
of talent they have in the water super room people

00:26:18.019 --> 00:26:20.400
that are young that they're excited about They

00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:22.279
don't have the need to like throw that kind of

00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:25.619
money at that room The same with the you know,

00:26:25.619 --> 00:26:27.859
the Trey white contract I think he's made is

00:26:27.859 --> 00:26:29.859
it five million a year or something like that

00:26:29.859 --> 00:26:32.180
in the neighborhood And so it's the same thing,

00:26:32.180 --> 00:26:35.000
you know Stand like top of the market starting

00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:37.039
cornerbacks are making 20 plus million dollars

00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:39.599
per year and they signed Benford to a big deal

00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:41.259
because he's a top five corner in the league

00:26:42.209 --> 00:26:44.069
Trey White coming back is just an opportunity

00:26:44.069 --> 00:26:45.589
to see if there's anything left. And I think

00:26:45.589 --> 00:26:48.190
that that's, you know, I know that it was emotional

00:26:48.190 --> 00:26:50.150
to let go some of these leaders of the first

00:26:50.150 --> 00:26:53.390
era of the Sean McDermott Buffalo Bills, but

00:26:53.390 --> 00:26:55.690
it's also the kind of thing where like, yeah,

00:26:56.269 --> 00:26:59.069
well, if spending a few mil of your salary cap

00:26:59.069 --> 00:27:01.089
to see if a veteran has anything left who you

00:27:01.089 --> 00:27:03.609
know and love and had good success in your building,

00:27:04.230 --> 00:27:06.750
not a problem with it. I don't think it shows

00:27:06.750 --> 00:27:09.130
any sign of weakness. I don't think it's anything

00:27:09.130 --> 00:27:12.960
that would... Is a detriment to the team because

00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:15.599
the core of the young talent on the roster has

00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:18.359
been locked up this summer? Spending you know

00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:20.480
what like half a billion dollars or something

00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:23.960
and overall money to lock up your youngest most

00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:27.480
talented draft develop and re -sign players To

00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:30.039
the next four years that that's the story for

00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:32.500
me all these other kind of hey I come back and

00:27:32.500 --> 00:27:36.059
we'll just Check you out. The only one I wouldn't

00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:39.910
be super fond of is Jordan Poyer Because watching

00:27:39.910 --> 00:27:43.769
him play last year right like it was not it was

00:27:43.769 --> 00:27:46.269
love all pro po but cooked Oh, yeah, I know he's

00:27:46.269 --> 00:27:48.690
one of our favorite players, but it was he was

00:27:48.690 --> 00:27:51.589
bad. And so that's it's pretty similar with Gabe

00:27:51.589 --> 00:27:54.069
Davis I think that he has he was a slow receiver

00:27:54.069 --> 00:27:56.289
who was bad at catching the ball and he's gotten

00:27:56.289 --> 00:28:01.589
slower over the last two years. Yeah, and I I

00:28:01.589 --> 00:28:05.650
Trek similarly with you when I saw the Dane Jackson

00:28:05.650 --> 00:28:07.930
and the Trey white signings in the offseason

00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:10.640
My immediate thought was, oh, here we go. Trying

00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:12.700
to raise the floor without raising the ceiling.

00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.599
But I was actually heartened. And my first thought

00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:17.000
was, you know what, they're going to find an

00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:20.640
excuse to give Trey snaps and camp over Maxwell

00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:23.359
Hairston. But I was pleasantly surprised at how

00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:26.180
much they were trying to force Hairston. into

00:28:26.180 --> 00:28:29.160
those first team reps and how hard Trey Trey

00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:31.700
was pushing him and moving him along in that

00:28:31.700 --> 00:28:33.980
process before they both went down with injury.

00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:36.339
The Gabe Davis one to me, honestly, is the first

00:28:36.339 --> 00:28:38.779
one where I'm like, this one seems like a panic

00:28:38.779 --> 00:28:40.740
move. They seem nervous about this wide receiver

00:28:40.740 --> 00:28:42.960
room. And it could stunt the growth of some of

00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.380
these younger players that they have said after

00:28:45.380 --> 00:28:48.319
that red wedding ask two off seasons ago roster

00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:51.559
purge. They have said they've wanted to commit

00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:53.420
themselves to these younger players at these

00:28:53.420 --> 00:28:55.599
positions. He's the first one where I'm like,

00:28:55.619 --> 00:28:58.119
that one actually feels like it could hurt meaningful

00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:00.019
development and a couple of guys in that room.

00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:02.039
Right? So, no, I agree with you. I think it's

00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:06.119
been responsible. And I think, I think it's convenient

00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:08.859
for Bill's mafia fans to say, Oh, well, you know,

00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:10.579
being a McDermott, they've got a comfort zone.

00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:13.769
I think. their comfort zone as they like to know

00:29:13.769 --> 00:29:15.950
they're going to win 10 games. And the guys they've

00:29:15.950 --> 00:29:18.549
brought back raise the floor to that point where

00:29:18.549 --> 00:29:21.809
they can. Does it get us over the hump as we

00:29:21.809 --> 00:29:25.710
have talked about? No, not always. But it gives

00:29:25.710 --> 00:29:30.529
us stability with the roster and with the overall

00:29:30.529 --> 00:29:32.529
potential success of the team that we haven't

00:29:32.529 --> 00:29:36.160
had in a really long time. Um, so the Gabe Davis

00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:38.700
one, I'm kind of out on with you, but the rest

00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:41.019
of these moves. Yeah. I, I, there's no other

00:29:41.019 --> 00:29:43.279
tea leaves. I think you can read from this other

00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:44.980
than the bills one of four to five positions

00:29:44.980 --> 00:29:47.980
that they know that are weak at. Um, JJ position,

00:29:47.980 --> 00:29:50.259
the bills are not weak at his quarterback. And

00:29:50.259 --> 00:29:52.900
the last bit of camp news here coming out of

00:29:52.900 --> 00:29:55.339
camp today, uh, is that Josh Allen will for the

00:29:55.339 --> 00:29:57.500
first time in his career, not take a sap and

00:29:57.500 --> 00:29:59.880
pre snap and pre -season. He will not be playing

00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:01.680
in the pre -season finale against the tab and

00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:06.930
Bay Buccaneers. Um, JJ. Big deal, no deal, little

00:30:06.930 --> 00:30:09.109
deal that Alan won't see any snaps until week

00:30:09.109 --> 00:30:12.049
one against the Ravens. It's a it's a no deal

00:30:12.049 --> 00:30:14.650
until it's a big deal. And what I mean by that

00:30:14.650 --> 00:30:17.450
is that if he comes out against the Ravens like

00:30:17.450 --> 00:30:21.210
he came out a few years ago against the Jets

00:30:21.210 --> 00:30:23.369
through two interceptions, basically lost the

00:30:23.369 --> 00:30:26.349
bill of the game. That's that preseason he also

00:30:26.349 --> 00:30:28.450
I think he played one series and looked pretty

00:30:28.450 --> 00:30:31.609
poor. if I remember correctly, and that was the

00:30:31.609 --> 00:30:34.250
only preseason action he saw. And then he showed

00:30:34.250 --> 00:30:36.690
up for the Jets and seemed to have quite a lot

00:30:36.690 --> 00:30:40.230
of rust on him. But the reason I say it's a no

00:30:40.230 --> 00:30:42.910
issue until it's an issue is that if he comes

00:30:42.910 --> 00:30:45.910
out and plays what we expect from him as a NFL

00:30:45.910 --> 00:30:51.690
MVP and now what, $330 million quarterback, he...

00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.799
It's going to be fine. It's going to be not an

00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.259
issue. And I think that what it says to me is

00:30:56.259 --> 00:30:59.160
that Sean McDermott is strongly and has said,

00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:02.099
stated so many times, he, he runs this team in

00:31:02.099 --> 00:31:03.440
a way where you have to, you have to earn what

00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.859
you get. And he has no questions about Josh Allen's

00:31:06.859 --> 00:31:11.299
work ethic, his preparation, his accuracy, his

00:31:11.299 --> 00:31:13.220
attentiveness and practice, his knowledge and

00:31:13.220 --> 00:31:15.319
film study. Like there's, there's nothing else

00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:17.119
to do. There's nothing else that he needs to

00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:20.259
work on in a live game setting for the coaches

00:31:20.259 --> 00:31:23.400
and the team. teammates especially, to have confidence

00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:27.400
in him that he's ready to go week one. The question

00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:29.700
still remains, is he ready to go week one without

00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:32.839
any live snaps? As a player who used to ask Brian

00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:36.200
Dable for a quarterback power run early in the

00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:39.460
game to get his feelings right about playing,

00:31:39.740 --> 00:31:43.539
right? Does he truly have what it takes to just

00:31:43.539 --> 00:31:45.160
kind of switch it on, switch it off at a moment's

00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:47.779
notice? Because I think if he does without any

00:31:47.779 --> 00:31:49.460
preseason reps, then of course you don't want

00:31:49.460 --> 00:31:52.259
to ever risk him. in live bullet situations.

00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.019
If you don't have to, he is the most valuable

00:31:55.019 --> 00:31:57.859
piece on the whole team. And according to the

00:31:57.859 --> 00:32:01.859
AP writers, the entire NFL. Yes. If Shakir was

00:32:01.859 --> 00:32:05.680
healthy, and those two, their chemistry still

00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.839
wasn't looking right in camp, I would say, you

00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:10.720
know what, maybe you want to give them a series

00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:13.980
or two. But Shakir's not healthy. Uh, he's been

00:32:13.980 --> 00:32:16.420
putting in a ton of work with Ken Coleman. They've,

00:32:16.420 --> 00:32:18.819
they really seem to have developed a nice chemistry

00:32:18.819 --> 00:32:21.640
with each other this off season. Josh Palmer

00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:24.339
has been on and off her, but him and Josh have

00:32:24.339 --> 00:32:25.880
been putting in a lot of work together. Curtis

00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:28.019
Samuel not available. I mean, you're going to

00:32:28.019 --> 00:32:30.279
put them out there and he's going to throw to

00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:33.319
KJ Hamler and Tyrell Shavers. Like it doesn't

00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:35.480
make any sense. That's, that does not get you

00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:37.259
ready for week one when you're going up against

00:32:37.259 --> 00:32:39.740
the Baltimore Raven. So I'm actually fine with

00:32:39.740 --> 00:32:42.019
this. You err on the side of caution. there is

00:32:42.019 --> 00:32:44.000
the risk that it comes out rusty. But to your

00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:48.339
point, this is a high caliber veteran NFL QB.

00:32:48.420 --> 00:32:50.940
Like if you really need a live series against

00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:52.980
the backups for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to get

00:32:52.980 --> 00:32:55.460
you ready for week one, Sunday night football,

00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:58.619
the farewell season on Highmark Stadium, I just

00:32:58.619 --> 00:33:00.119
think there's something wrong on the player side.

00:33:00.220 --> 00:33:02.319
And with Josh Allen, we know that's not the case.

00:33:02.779 --> 00:33:04.960
So yeah, man, put them in bubble wrap. And then

00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.130
let's get the season started. Well, anybody who

00:33:07.130 --> 00:33:11.430
saw the clip of of Joe Burrow versus the Washington

00:33:11.430 --> 00:33:15.470
commanders running in circles for like a 17 yard

00:33:15.470 --> 00:33:18.109
loss to be tackled by three 400 pound men on

00:33:18.109 --> 00:33:22.049
the goal line. That's the kind of that's the

00:33:22.049 --> 00:33:24.230
kind of competitor that Josh Allen is as well.

00:33:24.269 --> 00:33:26.309
He wouldn't look like such a doofus doing it,

00:33:26.349 --> 00:33:29.339
but you don't want him out there. when there's

00:33:29.339 --> 00:33:32.079
no stakes, trying to make something out of nothing

00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:34.599
when his offensive line just lays a bunch of

00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.059
rushers through, which they wouldn't. I think

00:33:37.059 --> 00:33:39.839
they're a really great offensive line. But yeah,

00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:42.819
there's no reason because, you know, he'd be

00:33:42.819 --> 00:33:45.559
willing to put his body on the line for situations

00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.119
that are completely pointless. Yeah, kind of

00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:50.220
like Taron Johnson did in the first game against

00:33:50.220 --> 00:33:52.839
the Giants. I was watching film on that game.

00:33:53.259 --> 00:33:55.460
And the first couple of series that Johnson was

00:33:55.460 --> 00:33:56.920
in there, I'm like, dude, what are you doing?

00:33:57.019 --> 00:33:59.440
Like, there are just guys that do not have an

00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:01.880
off switch. Johnson's one of them. Alan's one

00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:04.180
of them. And if you're a coach and you know your

00:34:04.180 --> 00:34:08.300
guys cannot modulate in those situations, then

00:34:08.300 --> 00:34:11.380
absolutely, you take them off the field and another

00:34:11.380 --> 00:34:13.679
player who I mean, we can get Get into when we

00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:15.300
talk about the roster that i'm excited about

00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:17.340
who also doesn't seem to have an off switch is

00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:20.159
joey bosa Oh my god, he's been playing with you

00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:22.360
know, his hair on fire Like it's the afc championship

00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:24.619
game every week that they put him in for any

00:34:24.619 --> 00:34:26.420
snaps in the preseason i'm just like dude slow

00:34:26.420 --> 00:34:28.920
down like you're An injury, you know somewhat

00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.980
injury prone Mid 30s guy like you're you're cruising

00:34:32.980 --> 00:34:35.699
for a literal bruising. He's looked super impressive

00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:38.079
in camp though. Yeah, i'm excited jj That's a

00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:40.059
great segue. Let's start to talk about this roster

00:34:40.059 --> 00:34:42.969
a little bit. Um, let's start on the Let's start

00:34:42.969 --> 00:34:44.369
on the offensive side of the ball. Let's talk

00:34:44.369 --> 00:34:49.269
about pass catchers. Um, because this is going

00:34:49.269 --> 00:34:53.130
to matter. And I say this knowing that it is

00:34:53.130 --> 00:34:56.469
like the most simplistic way to analyze the bills,

00:34:57.010 --> 00:34:59.489
offensive chances this season, but we saw it

00:34:59.489 --> 00:35:01.389
at the end of last season, despite the fact that

00:35:01.389 --> 00:35:03.750
the bills were rolling up work in like thirties

00:35:03.750 --> 00:35:06.690
game after game, they were facing a higher percentage

00:35:06.690 --> 00:35:10.039
of man, higher percentage of cover one. the dream

00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:12.380
scenario that we have talked about for years,

00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.039
and the bills offense needing to pull these opposing

00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:18.300
defenses out of two high shelf situations. The

00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:20.300
running game got it there the work across the

00:35:20.300 --> 00:35:23.360
middle field with Shakir got it there. We got

00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:25.719
the optimal defensive looks that we wanted to

00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:27.699
at the end of last season. They could not take

00:35:27.699 --> 00:35:31.190
advantage by They could not take advantage by

00:35:31.190 --> 00:35:33.269
attacking the boundaries or attacking downfield

00:35:33.269 --> 00:35:35.449
because of the limitations of this pass catcher

00:35:35.449 --> 00:35:38.510
room. JJ, this pass catcher room outside of Josh

00:35:38.510 --> 00:35:42.309
Palmer looks relatively the same as it did last

00:35:42.309 --> 00:35:44.889
season. The same squad that while talented in

00:35:44.889 --> 00:35:47.340
certain areas, could not take advantage of some

00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:49.840
of the looks opposing defenses were giving them.

00:35:50.380 --> 00:35:52.320
So JJ, what's your read on this wide receiver

00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.460
room? It still needs to coalesce. It's pretty

00:35:54.460 --> 00:35:56.199
banged up. It's pretty injured heading into the

00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:58.340
season. But what is your take so far and what

00:35:58.340 --> 00:35:59.920
you need to see from this wide receiver room

00:35:59.920 --> 00:36:02.420
heading into the season? The story of this wide

00:36:02.420 --> 00:36:06.119
receiver room is literally it can be boiled down

00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.820
into two questions. Is Keon Coleman that guy?

00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:16.800
Does Khalil Shakir Because I think that if you

00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:20.260
have last season's production from Khalil Shakir

00:36:20.260 --> 00:36:22.619
every season for the rest of his career, he'll

00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:24.599
go down as one of the top three wide receivers

00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:28.519
in Buffalo Bill's history, right? Like he reliable,

00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:30.920
you know, multiple touchdowns per year, six,

00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:35.800
700 yards, closing on a hundred catches. That's

00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:39.159
going to get him. the kind of career that leaves

00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:42.360
a legacy. And so can he progress? Can he like

00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:44.280
stay healthy? Can he keep this kind of production

00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.960
going? And then is Keon Coleman an outside receiver

00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:51.079
that NFL teams are afraid of? Does he develop

00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:54.079
into somebody who has that nasty run blocking

00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:56.400
we saw in the Seattle Seahawks game, who has

00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:58.780
that, you know, one -on -one jump ball acumen

00:36:58.780 --> 00:37:01.280
we saw in the Seattle Seahawks game, who has

00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:03.340
the route running and separation ability we saw

00:37:03.340 --> 00:37:07.579
in the Seattle Seahawks game? He had, he had

00:37:07.579 --> 00:37:10.059
in fairness, more plays than just in the seed

00:37:10.059 --> 00:37:13.559
box game. I know, I'm being unkind, but no, but

00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.619
you know what I mean? Like he had, he was on

00:37:15.619 --> 00:37:17.659
an incredible arc. He looked like he might be

00:37:17.659 --> 00:37:20.139
the steel of the wide receiver class from his

00:37:20.139 --> 00:37:22.900
draft until he got hurt. Then he had a wrist

00:37:22.900 --> 00:37:24.679
injury. And then when he came back, he was a

00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:26.800
ghost for like five or six games at the end of

00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:30.079
the season. Um, hopefully fully healthy, fully

00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:33.659
recovered. looked has looked awesome this offseason.

00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:35.300
Many of the beat reporters have reported that

00:37:35.300 --> 00:37:37.320
he is kind of rocked up. He looks like he spent

00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.659
a lot of time working on his strength, his conditioning.

00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:43.260
Not much he can do for speed. We know this, but

00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:46.119
he is probably the best jump ball person on the

00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:50.320
team. And if that's his his way, then that's

00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:51.699
the way forward. We've talked about it before

00:37:51.699 --> 00:37:54.280
that Josh Allen throughout his career has succeeded

00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:57.699
with like the John Browns and the Khalil Shakirs

00:37:57.699 --> 00:38:01.630
and the Cole Beasley's. He hasn't had the like

00:38:01.630 --> 00:38:06.610
a plus tall, long, somewhat fast, you know, physical

00:38:06.610 --> 00:38:09.469
receiver that he's vibed with. They've tried.

00:38:09.710 --> 00:38:12.809
They've had attempts at that body type, but it

00:38:12.809 --> 00:38:15.690
hasn't worked out for him. He had some hand in

00:38:15.690 --> 00:38:18.170
selecting Keon Coleman in the draft. He gave

00:38:18.170 --> 00:38:20.070
his preferences to Brandon Bean and they chose

00:38:20.070 --> 00:38:23.409
the guy that. is reported that he wanted. And

00:38:23.409 --> 00:38:26.329
so this is his chance to make that pick worthwhile.

00:38:26.570 --> 00:38:28.130
And it's also, Coleman needs to be in the right

00:38:28.130 --> 00:38:30.789
position. He needs to work on some of those big

00:38:30.789 --> 00:38:33.650
boy plays that he was brought in here to do.

00:38:33.670 --> 00:38:36.050
And if he progresses to that level, I think that

00:38:36.050 --> 00:38:38.369
that is an answer to the question, the two questions

00:38:38.369 --> 00:38:41.809
of is Clueless, Shakir consistent? And can Keon

00:38:41.809 --> 00:38:45.690
Coleman step up and be top? top 16 wide receiver

00:38:45.690 --> 00:38:47.590
in this league. If he can, I think they're going

00:38:47.590 --> 00:38:50.809
to be fine, because I think that the other players,

00:38:51.789 --> 00:38:54.010
the, you know, whomever they keep of Elijah Moore,

00:38:54.210 --> 00:38:57.849
KJ Hamler, Curtis Samuel, I think that there's

00:38:57.849 --> 00:38:59.650
some questions about with Curtis Samuel could

00:38:59.650 --> 00:39:02.889
be moved because of the money. But, you know,

00:39:02.989 --> 00:39:05.530
Levisco, Sean, all like is, is any or do any

00:39:05.530 --> 00:39:08.349
of them make any sense as role players? I think

00:39:08.349 --> 00:39:10.590
they do. Some of they all have kind of unique,

00:39:10.590 --> 00:39:13.980
different skill sets. And Josh Palmer is definitely

00:39:13.980 --> 00:39:15.579
going to be on that field based on what they

00:39:15.579 --> 00:39:19.480
paid him and he seems to Joshua Palmer feels

00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:23.920
to me like a younger version with slightly less

00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:26.920
talent than Emanuel Sanders like that's the type

00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:31.719
of That's actually a cold cold analysis right

00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.500
there of it of his skill set but accurate, right?

00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:36.420
Yeah, but you know I'm saying like they got a

00:39:36.420 --> 00:39:38.579
manual center centers the end of his career.

00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.460
They both are somewhat root technicians who've

00:39:42.460 --> 00:39:44.920
not had kind of blazing speed as their calling

00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:50.239
card and Josh Palmer has an opportunity to be

00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.059
something special. He's played with a very good

00:39:53.059 --> 00:39:55.559
quarterback for a number of years and never stepped

00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.739
into like that 80 plus catch territory. Here's

00:39:58.739 --> 00:40:00.460
his chance, right? I think he's going to get

00:40:00.460 --> 00:40:02.300
opportunities, but it's really what can he make

00:40:02.300 --> 00:40:05.659
of them? But from what I've seen just in like

00:40:05.659 --> 00:40:07.960
the few you know from the snaps from preseason

00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:10.519
games from the heat coming out of practice is

00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:15.119
that he He's like a better route running version

00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:18.659
of Gabe Davis with better hands, which some bills

00:40:18.659 --> 00:40:22.500
fans like, okay I really like that right? I want

00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:25.699
that I want that But at the same time, there's

00:40:25.699 --> 00:40:29.019
nothing kind of spectacular special, right? he

00:40:29.019 --> 00:40:31.639
is the he is the low -fat vanilla Greek yogurt

00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:36.500
of in my fridge of this offense. It's reliable,

00:40:36.659 --> 00:40:39.480
it's going to get you over protein goals. I'm

00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:42.000
not super excited about it. God, I miss these

00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:46.820
analogies. Oh my god, you have no idea. I feel

00:40:46.820 --> 00:40:51.599
like I have been gaslit by multiple media members

00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:57.300
into thinking that Josh Palmer is some sort of

00:40:57.369 --> 00:41:01.289
Route technician amazing separator downfield

00:41:01.289 --> 00:41:05.670
I've watched this film. I have gone to every

00:41:05.670 --> 00:41:09.369
stat package that I know of PFF next -gen stats

00:41:09.369 --> 00:41:12.769
Reception perception love Matt Harmon and his

00:41:12.769 --> 00:41:15.869
whole outfit there I have looked over it all

00:41:15.869 --> 00:41:18.969
and none of the hard cold facts tell me that

00:41:18.969 --> 00:41:22.289
Josh Palmer is in fact a separation specialist

00:41:22.289 --> 00:41:26.599
his most successful route that he runs per EPA

00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.880
per play and success rate is a dig route across

00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:33.000
the middle of the field. That's it. He's not

00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.920
really a field stretcher and never has been despite

00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.340
his a couple of limited highlight reel catches

00:41:38.340 --> 00:41:42.380
that he's made for touchdowns. He to me seems

00:41:42.380 --> 00:41:45.960
like the piece that I'm the least excited about

00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:48.280
because folks are talking with him like he's

00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:50.940
already this realized product that he's got.

00:41:51.380 --> 00:41:53.420
another arc to his development that he can hit.

00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:55.940
And maybe he can hit it in Buffalo. You know,

00:41:55.940 --> 00:41:58.780
I mean, maybe he was limited because of all the

00:41:58.780 --> 00:42:01.500
coaching changes and offensive coordinator changes

00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:06.139
in LA. But by the same token, like what you put

00:42:06.139 --> 00:42:07.780
on film is what you put on film. What you put

00:42:07.780 --> 00:42:09.559
in the box score is what you put in the box score.

00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:12.480
And this has not been a guy who's been anything

00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.960
other than a low floor, low ceiling wide receiver

00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:19.320
four throughout most of his career. And we have

00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:23.289
locked him in. to a top two or top three outside

00:42:23.289 --> 00:42:25.590
wide receiver position and paid him money akin

00:42:25.590 --> 00:42:29.630
to that. I this one to me feels like an over

00:42:29.630 --> 00:42:32.389
read. Like this one feels like you we fell in

00:42:32.389 --> 00:42:34.710
love with the idea of Josh Palmer in the off

00:42:34.710 --> 00:42:37.250
season, but didn't realize who Josh Palmer actually

00:42:37.250 --> 00:42:42.070
was. So he's the one I'm most interested to see,

00:42:42.070 --> 00:42:44.030
but I'm the least excited for if that makes any

00:42:44.030 --> 00:42:47.170
sense, because I feel like I know what he is.

00:42:47.550 --> 00:42:50.170
Coleman. Dude, if he can take that, we just need,

00:42:50.250 --> 00:42:51.809
but here's the thing. We just need one of these,

00:42:51.949 --> 00:42:54.409
one of these darts to hit one of these pieces

00:42:54.409 --> 00:42:56.210
of spaghetti. We're flinging at this outside

00:42:56.210 --> 00:42:58.309
wide receiver position to hit. Cause if you just

00:42:58.309 --> 00:43:01.070
have one guy who's a reliable threat, all of

00:43:01.070 --> 00:43:03.090
a sudden those cover one situations, you're not

00:43:03.090 --> 00:43:05.570
floating an extra safety into the box. You're

00:43:05.570 --> 00:43:07.489
floating them. You're floating them to bracket

00:43:07.489 --> 00:43:09.550
your outside wide receiver threat. And that's

00:43:09.550 --> 00:43:11.010
going to open up things across the middle of

00:43:11.010 --> 00:43:13.510
the field for the Buffalo Bills. So we need some

00:43:13.510 --> 00:43:16.969
version of Coleman Palmer shavers. If he makes

00:43:16.969 --> 00:43:20.710
this roster. to be effective in that role. And

00:43:20.710 --> 00:43:23.849
we just need again, 33 % chance to hit. That's

00:43:23.849 --> 00:43:25.849
all we need. And that's all I'm hoping for. But

00:43:25.849 --> 00:43:28.150
my money's on Coleman because of the youth, because

00:43:28.150 --> 00:43:30.909
of the clear upside and because of the development

00:43:30.909 --> 00:43:34.440
he's had this off season. Well, the heat around

00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.960
Tyrell Shavers is not the same as like reaching

00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.420
pretty far back into the bag with this one. It's

00:43:40.420 --> 00:43:43.340
not like the Chris Hogan, you know, tribe from

00:43:43.340 --> 00:43:45.880
years ago or like the Justin Shorter tribe of

00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:48.500
the last couple of years. Andy Isabella had his

00:43:48.500 --> 00:43:50.780
fans as well. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

00:43:50.820 --> 00:43:54.280
Like there's always that like training camp darling

00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:56.320
who people who went out and looked in the stands

00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.579
saw him run a couple one on ones against a sixth.

00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:01.539
you know, sixth rung CB and look, look hot. They're

00:44:01.539 --> 00:44:04.019
like, oh my gosh, he's going to be the next star.

00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:07.900
It's not that Tyrell Shavers has pretty consistently

00:44:07.900 --> 00:44:10.480
been producing anytime he's had an opportunity,

00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:13.300
including last year, like one snap, one target,

00:44:13.460 --> 00:44:16.159
one catch 80 yard TD or 56 yard TD or whatever

00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:22.360
it was. I just like, I just, I hope that what

00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.730
we see tracks consistently with his presence

00:44:25.730 --> 00:44:28.409
in the meeting rooms and the practice field in

00:44:28.409 --> 00:44:30.590
a way that he can actually offer this team something

00:44:30.590 --> 00:44:33.250
and I know your note on him is like Oh is he

00:44:33.250 --> 00:44:36.090
you know are are the bills going to like not

00:44:36.090 --> 00:44:38.809
Utilize him just because he doesn't fill check

00:44:38.809 --> 00:44:40.650
all the boxes of being a four -phase special

00:44:40.650 --> 00:44:44.369
team or like somebody Like Matt Collins did last

00:44:44.369 --> 00:44:46.510
year, right? Like is he not since he doesn't

00:44:46.510 --> 00:44:48.889
fulfill that need is is that why they're gonna

00:44:48.889 --> 00:44:51.090
like Bounce him try to bounce him back to the

00:44:51.090 --> 00:44:53.519
practice squad or someone like Gabe Davis does,

00:44:53.780 --> 00:44:56.440
in fairness, right? Yeah. Yeah. And that's, I

00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:59.699
mean, essentially, I feel like if they try to

00:44:59.699 --> 00:45:01.980
move Tyrell Shavers onto a practice squad, they

00:45:01.980 --> 00:45:05.579
will lose him because I think he's put enough

00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:07.840
on film at this point in his career that some

00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.320
teams going to take a flyer on him with an empty

00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.900
wide receiver cabinet. So that's a different

00:45:13.900 --> 00:45:16.179
one for him, for me. And I hope they don't mess

00:45:16.179 --> 00:45:20.429
this up because like. Honestly, you hired a seasoned,

00:45:20.429 --> 00:45:23.449
for the first time in McDermott's tenure, he

00:45:23.449 --> 00:45:26.750
hired a seasoned, experienced special teams coordinator.

00:45:28.369 --> 00:45:31.789
Give that guy chicken crap and have him turn

00:45:31.789 --> 00:45:33.090
it into chicken salad. You know what I'm saying?

00:45:33.949 --> 00:45:37.949
You don't have the luxury of messing around with

00:45:37.949 --> 00:45:40.889
the two phases that are on the field the most,

00:45:41.349 --> 00:45:44.769
just to favor your special teams coordinator

00:45:44.769 --> 00:45:48.599
having the... best pick of who he wants don't

00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:51.079
sacrifice the offensive defense for it like just

00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.360
don't I don't I don't care if the Buffalo Bills

00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:55.400
Gunners are not the best Gunners in the league

00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:58.360
give up a kick return here there if your offense

00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:00.360
is putting up you know 30 points a game and you're

00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:02.559
scorching everybody it doesn't matter to me yeah

00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:05.119
I know my ideal version this wide receiver room

00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:06.719
and this will be my last thought before we move

00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:08.300
on because I want to talk about some of the rookies

00:46:08.300 --> 00:46:11.460
on the defensive side of the ball is Coleman

00:46:11.460 --> 00:46:15.710
Shakir a healthy Shakir God willing Palmer, not

00:46:15.710 --> 00:46:18.170
because I'm super excited, but because like we're

00:46:18.170 --> 00:46:21.170
kind of locked into that, right? Elijah Moore,

00:46:21.170 --> 00:46:23.650
who I think has earned a spot this season, and

00:46:23.650 --> 00:46:26.489
he can be that reliable kind of gadgety backup

00:46:26.489 --> 00:46:31.090
to Khalil Shakir if need be. Fifth, Tyrell Shavers.

00:46:31.230 --> 00:46:33.510
I absolutely think he's earned a spot. And if

00:46:33.510 --> 00:46:37.510
the Bills go as deep as sixth, sixth wide receivers,

00:46:37.690 --> 00:46:39.690
I love what KJ Hamler has done the past couple

00:46:39.690 --> 00:46:42.409
of off seasons with the squad. I think Hamler.

00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.280
Outside, uh, you know, has a better shot of clearing

00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:48.019
waivers than shavers does. So he could be back

00:46:48.019 --> 00:46:50.400
on the practice squad theoretically. And I think

00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.920
the bills might take a shot at that, but to me,

00:46:53.019 --> 00:46:55.260
shavers for sure is wide receiver five on this

00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:58.659
team. Curtis Samuel is like a cut trade situation.

00:46:58.860 --> 00:47:02.300
He's just, he's injured. He's a duplicate skillset

00:47:02.300 --> 00:47:05.239
and he doesn't give you anything, anything in

00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:07.079
higher leverage moments. You're not already going

00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.820
to get from Cleo Shakir or. Dalton Kincaid a

00:47:10.820 --> 00:47:12.420
guy who we haven't talked about yet as part of

00:47:12.420 --> 00:47:14.760
this pass catcher group who is having a great

00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:17.880
training camp and really looks like he's He has

00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:20.260
fully healed from whatever ailed him last year

00:47:20.260 --> 00:47:25.219
injury wise I Have the same kind of wide receiver

00:47:25.219 --> 00:47:27.860
room that you do except I would actually put

00:47:27.860 --> 00:47:31.059
the viscous and all over over KJ Hamler I just

00:47:31.059 --> 00:47:33.059
think returnability. Yeah, just for that reason

00:47:33.059 --> 00:47:36.420
like and that's not me sacrificing, you know

00:47:36.420 --> 00:47:40.289
offense for Special teams rather I think that

00:47:40.289 --> 00:47:43.070
the return ability he offers is quite a bit better

00:47:43.070 --> 00:47:45.630
than Some of the other options on the roster

00:47:45.630 --> 00:47:47.849
and he showed with the two -point conversion

00:47:47.849 --> 00:47:50.150
and some other things that he can be relied on

00:47:50.150 --> 00:47:53.010
in some high leverage situations Kind of being

00:47:53.010 --> 00:47:55.670
where he needs to be has an interesting physical

00:47:55.670 --> 00:47:58.090
skill set that I think really helps him and special

00:47:58.090 --> 00:47:59.909
team So that's the only change I would make though

00:47:59.909 --> 00:48:02.920
over the your kind of top top five I like it.

00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:05.719
No, I like it a lot. All right, man. Let's talk

00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:08.000
defense. Specifically, let's talk these defensive

00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:09.960
rookies that the Bills have brought in. We've

00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:11.820
already covered Maxwell Harrison, Heath Hurt,

00:48:12.380 --> 00:48:15.260
TJ Sanders, Deon Walker, Landon Jackson, Dorian

00:48:15.260 --> 00:48:19.059
Strong, Jordan Hancock, all the defensive rookie

00:48:19.059 --> 00:48:21.139
picks that the Bills made here this offseason

00:48:21.139 --> 00:48:24.940
in the draft. JJ, who has stood out the most

00:48:24.940 --> 00:48:27.960
to you based on what you have seen on film and

00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:32.510
via camp footage here this offseason? It's definitely

00:48:32.510 --> 00:48:36.170
TJ Sanders. I think that far and away, he looks

00:48:36.170 --> 00:48:40.090
definitely deserving of the kind of heat behind

00:48:40.090 --> 00:48:44.429
that selection. I think that, you know, when

00:48:44.429 --> 00:48:46.630
we were leaving the draft, I think we were both

00:48:46.630 --> 00:48:49.650
really excited about Harrison Sanders. I was

00:48:49.650 --> 00:48:52.309
not as excited about Deon Walker. I was extremely

00:48:52.309 --> 00:48:54.469
excited about Landon Jackson, who you literally

00:48:54.469 --> 00:48:56.309
forgot when you were putting together our show

00:48:56.309 --> 00:48:58.469
notes that he was a human person who lived and

00:48:58.469 --> 00:49:01.809
played football. I totally. And that is that's

00:49:01.809 --> 00:49:03.690
all. Yeah. And in my notes, as you saw, I was

00:49:03.690 --> 00:49:05.489
like, Dan forgot he exists. And that's all you

00:49:05.489 --> 00:49:07.789
need to know about his camp. He's at a weird

00:49:07.789 --> 00:49:11.289
camp. Jackson Jackson's at a weird camp. Landon

00:49:11.289 --> 00:49:16.090
Jackson. Or if you're a fan of Barry, no, no,

00:49:16.090 --> 00:49:19.050
Ho Hank. They look the same. They look the same.

00:49:19.130 --> 00:49:21.869
Look it up. This is true. I'm a fan of that show.

00:49:22.369 --> 00:49:26.329
Solid reference. Solid actor and okay football

00:49:26.329 --> 00:49:28.469
player so far. Seems like a really sweet guy.

00:49:29.309 --> 00:49:32.389
But he looked absolutely, it looked like he didn't

00:49:32.389 --> 00:49:34.570
deserve to play in the league against the Giants.

00:49:35.349 --> 00:49:39.469
He followed that up by looking against, you know,

00:49:39.690 --> 00:49:43.170
a very poor effort against, at the Bears. So,

00:49:43.269 --> 00:49:46.710
Landon Jackson, we know defensive line, defensive

00:49:46.710 --> 00:49:50.610
end, offensive line, tight end, like those positions

00:49:50.610 --> 00:49:52.429
are all some of the most difficult to learn on

00:49:52.429 --> 00:49:54.809
the field, besides safety and quarterback, right?

00:49:55.030 --> 00:50:02.539
So, his presence has not been felt and I... I

00:50:02.539 --> 00:50:04.940
still think he has a really good series of traits.

00:50:05.260 --> 00:50:07.280
He's done some good things in practice settings

00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:10.000
that you're impressed by, but he really needs

00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:12.940
to put it all together. So yeah, Harrison, we

00:50:12.940 --> 00:50:15.699
don't know. TJ Sanders, awesome. I'm so excited

00:50:15.699 --> 00:50:17.900
to see him lined up next to Ed Oliver because

00:50:17.900 --> 00:50:20.659
I think that that is a pretty nasty rush package.

00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.139
You cannot double both of them with Joey Bosa

00:50:24.139 --> 00:50:28.420
and Greg Russo on the field. And golly, I want

00:50:28.420 --> 00:50:32.400
to see that. It fixes our third and seven problems

00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:34.500
from last year when we could not get off the

00:50:34.500 --> 00:50:37.840
field. Yes, big time. Very excited about that.

00:50:37.940 --> 00:50:41.199
I hope everybody stays healthy because that is

00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:44.280
a rush that actually might work. No, I agree

00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:47.059
with you. I'm super excited to see that specific

00:50:47.059 --> 00:50:49.500
package rolled out in that specific scenario

00:50:49.500 --> 00:50:53.059
I mean listen he I watched some of the film from

00:50:53.059 --> 00:50:56.159
the From the Bears game and you know Sanders

00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:58.039
and Walker are both getting blown off the ball

00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:00.880
on the run game But that was not the strength

00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:05.539
of either of these guys the bills again They're

00:51:05.539 --> 00:51:08.539
going to do the it takes a village approach to

00:51:08.539 --> 00:51:11.179
stop the run game Because they don't care if

00:51:11.179 --> 00:51:13.239
they give up four yards on a first down rush.

00:51:13.340 --> 00:51:15.059
They don't want to give up seven or eight yards,

00:51:15.059 --> 00:51:17.179
which is where it becomes a problem. They want

00:51:17.179 --> 00:51:20.679
to put teams in second and six, second and seven

00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:22.519
situations and hopefully get them to third and

00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:24.559
five, third and six. That's, that's their bread

00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:26.539
and butter. And then they want to work with a

00:51:26.539 --> 00:51:28.260
lot of these penetrators they have along the

00:51:28.260 --> 00:51:31.900
defensive line to get pressure on the QB. They

00:51:31.900 --> 00:51:34.420
tripled down on that with the draft this year.

00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:37.590
Um, and I think we're going to see. We're going

00:51:37.590 --> 00:51:40.510
to see similar frustrations to the run defense

00:51:40.510 --> 00:51:42.590
that we saw last year, although with a healthy

00:51:42.590 --> 00:51:45.130
Milano and with Dorian Williams maybe coming

00:51:45.130 --> 00:51:47.150
in in some base package, there could be some

00:51:47.150 --> 00:51:49.130
improvement at the second level, at least in

00:51:49.130 --> 00:51:50.710
the run game. But I think we're going to see

00:51:50.710 --> 00:51:54.250
a run defense that is largely the same. But I

00:51:54.250 --> 00:51:58.130
will take that if the pass rush and higher leverage

00:51:58.130 --> 00:52:02.269
situations is even 70 % better than it was last

00:52:02.269 --> 00:52:04.570
year. And it looks like it can be with this rollout.

00:52:05.389 --> 00:52:08.519
I want to ask you though, the apology card that

00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:10.480
you're going to write to Deon Walker for trashing

00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:14.179
him after the draft. Is it going to be handwritten?

00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:17.960
Will it be typed? Will there be personal notation

00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:20.059
in there about how sorry you are because he looks

00:52:20.059 --> 00:52:24.380
so good this camp season? Listen, we recently

00:52:24.380 --> 00:52:30.039
bought some cost prohibitively expensive beeswax

00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:33.650
crayons for our son, for our toddler. Nice. And

00:52:33.650 --> 00:52:37.090
it would probably be a hand -drawn card if I

00:52:37.090 --> 00:52:40.650
needed to make one. And I'm reserving my need

00:52:40.650 --> 00:52:42.929
to make a hand -drawn apology card to Deion Walker

00:52:42.929 --> 00:52:46.289
for being trash until after he plays actual meaningful

00:52:46.289 --> 00:52:48.969
football. Because what I saw in the preseason

00:52:48.969 --> 00:52:52.829
was like four snaps of him flashing, shouldn't

00:52:52.829 --> 00:52:57.110
be able to move this hard or fast big man's maneuvers.

00:52:57.900 --> 00:53:01.760
then 40 snaps of him getting absolutely toppled

00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:05.380
like a pile of Legos Yes Because he was too high

00:53:05.380 --> 00:53:08.539
in his six seven frame to have any kind of leverage

00:53:08.539 --> 00:53:11.039
and was getting doubled and pushed back seven

00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:15.500
yards so he is To me right now his status is

00:53:15.500 --> 00:53:18.039
Jordan Phillips without the like flashy charisma.

00:53:18.340 --> 00:53:21.500
So Fair enough. I, you know, I think we have

00:53:21.500 --> 00:53:24.380
a, we had a misconception and I'm talking the

00:53:24.380 --> 00:53:26.760
Royal, we the collective of those mafia when

00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:29.860
we saw six, seven, three 31, we were like, finally

00:53:29.860 --> 00:53:33.480
a run gap. Right. Ted Washington reincarnated

00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:37.000
exactly. Exactly. But if you, if you tune up

00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:40.940
some of Walker's 20, 23, Kentucky tape pre injury,

00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:44.599
seven and a half sacks that season, pure pass

00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:46.679
rush penetrator. I mean, that's really what this

00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:51.269
guy is. Um, he's never been a plus run defender,

00:53:51.489 --> 00:53:53.869
but if the bills can teach him how to anchor

00:53:53.869 --> 00:53:56.389
better, right? If Ryan Nielsen, our new defensive

00:53:56.389 --> 00:53:59.530
line coach can work with this athletic mold,

00:53:59.590 --> 00:54:02.730
this athletic Adon is the Dion Walker is teach

00:54:02.730 --> 00:54:04.809
him how to anchor better in the run game. You

00:54:04.809 --> 00:54:07.809
now have somebody who's a plus run defender and

00:54:07.809 --> 00:54:11.800
a ridiculously hard to blow off his spot. penetrator

00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:13.840
in the past game too. I mean, that's why I say

00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:15.519
they triple down on what they've wanted to do

00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:17.760
for so long in the penetration game and pass

00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:19.900
rush, because Walker brings that to the table

00:54:19.900 --> 00:54:23.639
too, not just Sanders in this draft class. Yeah.

00:54:23.699 --> 00:54:26.199
And, and I, like I said, I will, I will draw

00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:29.079
him a picture of him and Josh Allen walking into

00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:31.360
the sunset, holding hands. Please. I can't wait

00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:33.900
to see it. That you can use that card as a promo.

00:54:34.179 --> 00:54:36.219
I'll, I'll make, I'll put that together. If he,

00:54:36.420 --> 00:54:38.619
if he, if we're like week three, week four of

00:54:38.619 --> 00:54:41.579
the season. And I'm like, okay, this, when he's

00:54:41.579 --> 00:54:43.559
on the field, I can feel it. I could see it and

00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:45.780
he makes a difference. Boom, bam. I will make

00:54:45.780 --> 00:54:48.599
that card and you can. Drag my name wherever

00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:51.420
you need to I I will never drag your name sir

00:54:51.420 --> 00:54:53.059
But I look forward to seeing your hand -drawn

00:54:53.059 --> 00:54:56.019
artwork for one Dianne Walker All right real

00:54:56.019 --> 00:54:57.920
quick here because we're running out of time

00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.280
any thoughts on Dorian strong Jordan Hancock

00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:03.659
to me strong Promising, but he's not quite there

00:55:03.659 --> 00:55:06.639
yet I don't think he's gonna be the Christian

00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:09.300
Benford that we all hoped he would be But Jordan

00:55:09.300 --> 00:55:12.460
Hancock friggin Swiss Army knife man. He looks

00:55:12.460 --> 00:55:14.980
really impressive along that defensive secondary

00:55:15.549 --> 00:55:17.710
Yeah. I think when you see Jordan Hancock, he

00:55:17.710 --> 00:55:19.469
was like the only player in the bears game that

00:55:19.469 --> 00:55:20.909
I noticed on the field. And I was like, Ooh,

00:55:21.110 --> 00:55:22.630
that's, that's a good rep. Oh, that's a good

00:55:22.630 --> 00:55:25.030
rep. Like he looks like he knows what he's doing

00:55:25.030 --> 00:55:27.900
in this defense. Oh yeah. and that he has the

00:55:27.900 --> 00:55:31.260
kind of trigger and instincts to fire down downhill

00:55:31.260 --> 00:55:33.300
and do what he needs to. He's excited to be more

00:55:33.300 --> 00:55:34.699
in run defense than past coverage right now,

00:55:34.699 --> 00:55:37.440
but I think that could come for him. He has skill

00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:39.139
sets and the traits. I'm not too worried about

00:55:39.139 --> 00:55:42.440
him. Dorian Strong, too. I'm just like, OK, just

00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:48.000
let this be another Christian Benford. maybe

00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:50.099
diet Christian Bedford, because Christian Bedford

00:55:50.099 --> 00:55:51.639
stepped on the field and literally just took

00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:54.099
the starting job and never relinquished it. He

00:55:54.099 --> 00:55:56.019
just walked. Blew the doors off Kyrie. Yeah,

00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:59.059
he just quietly walked in and planted his flag

00:55:59.059 --> 00:56:01.079
as one of the best corners in the league drafted

00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:05.099
out of Villanova in the sixth round. And so Jordan

00:56:05.099 --> 00:56:08.079
Hancock, I'm excited about Chase Lunt to talk

00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:12.610
about offense. I think it's interesting because

00:56:12.610 --> 00:56:14.889
he had only ever played right tackle and then

00:56:14.889 --> 00:56:18.130
they started him in the Giants game at left tackle.

00:56:18.730 --> 00:56:22.690
And right guard. And he didn't do a bad job at

00:56:22.690 --> 00:56:26.210
either. I mean, his, you know, he's T -Rex arms,

00:56:26.389 --> 00:56:30.349
Chase Lunt is seemingly getting it done. And

00:56:30.349 --> 00:56:34.010
the thing with offensive linemen is like, if

00:56:34.010 --> 00:56:38.030
you even have a sparkle of understanding, Aaron

00:56:38.030 --> 00:56:40.039
Cromer is going to make you serviceable. that

00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:42.960
is the case, right? Like this, I, since they

00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:45.599
brought it back, Aaron Kroemer, I have not been

00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:47.400
concerned about the offensive line. I'm like,

00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:50.300
it's gonna be fine. If they don't renegotiate,

00:56:50.340 --> 00:56:52.579
if they don't extend David Edwards, if they don't

00:56:52.579 --> 00:56:55.679
extend Connor McGovern, and they bring in Cedric

00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:59.440
Van Pram Granger at center and move Alec Anderson,

00:56:59.659 --> 00:57:01.900
I'm just like, okay, cool. Let's rock with it.

00:57:01.900 --> 00:57:04.280
Like that's a good line too. You know, I'm not

00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:06.940
worried at all about it. And then I think Kaden

00:57:06.940 --> 00:57:10.119
Braithor was actually released. Yeah. Yeah, he's

00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:14.280
gone. Um, but yeah, so I mean, as for the rookie

00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:18.000
class, I think that there's a lot, I'm waiting

00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:20.000
to see a lot more from Deanna Walker, Landon

00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:23.340
Jackson, and Hairston, of course, because they've

00:57:23.340 --> 00:57:26.880
been hurt. TJ Sanders seems awesome. Uh, Dorian

00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.239
Strong, Jordan Hancock also great. Chase Lunt,

00:57:29.500 --> 00:57:31.760
pretty cool. Cool with those guys. I don't think

00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:33.679
looking at the class, there's anybody that I'm

00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:35.400
like, Ooh, that was, that's, that's probably

00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:38.179
the really, really bad choice, but we'll see.

00:57:38.429 --> 00:57:41.489
We will see. We will see. And God, man, I mean,

00:57:41.489 --> 00:57:43.889
again, we talked about it. This last draft class

00:57:43.889 --> 00:57:47.730
was maybe my favorite that Bean has done since

00:57:47.730 --> 00:57:50.630
the Josh Allen, the Josh Allen draft. But when

00:57:50.630 --> 00:57:53.369
you turn the clock back and you look at the 2024

00:57:53.369 --> 00:57:55.590
draft, I want to talk about bubble guys for a

00:57:55.590 --> 00:58:00.010
minute here. There is a few names from the 2024

00:58:00.010 --> 00:58:02.929
draft, I feel like, that are on the bubble here,

00:58:02.929 --> 00:58:07.860
starting with, I think, Dwayne Carter. It was

00:58:07.860 --> 00:58:10.579
not a good sign for him when Larry Ogunjobi was

00:58:10.579 --> 00:58:13.320
signed to the squad. And then the Buffalo Bills

00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:16.739
literally double dipped a defensive tackle with

00:58:16.739 --> 00:58:20.559
TJ Sanders and Deion Walker. Guys who have pliability

00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:22.699
at both of the positions, one tech and three

00:58:22.699 --> 00:58:25.579
tech, that they were trying to coach up Carter

00:58:25.579 --> 00:58:30.599
to take over on some backup capacity. He is just

00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:34.440
in a season and a little bit more of football.

00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:37.639
He has not looked good. And I don't know how

00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:39.659
to put it any other way. He just athletically

00:58:39.659 --> 00:58:43.059
looks outmatched. Processing speed, which was

00:58:43.059 --> 00:58:45.820
a highlight of his in college, very, very slow

00:58:45.820 --> 00:58:47.800
at the line of scrimmage. He just looks like

00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:50.619
he has one foot out the door at this point. So

00:58:50.619 --> 00:58:54.019
if people haven't been super nerds for this in

00:58:54.019 --> 00:58:57.880
the past, and want to do a fun exercise, just

00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:00.239
go and like go on Wikipedia and look at the history

00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:02.780
of drafts, right? Like just pick any random span

00:59:02.780 --> 00:59:05.059
of years, pick five years in the 90s or five

00:59:05.059 --> 00:59:08.519
years in the 2000s and look at every single player

00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:12.420
drafted and look at the number who have small

00:59:12.420 --> 00:59:14.599
denotations of whether or not they've made a

00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:15.940
Pro Bowl in their career, whether or not they

00:59:15.940 --> 00:59:17.639
made, you know, like people who are like at this

00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:19.739
point out of the league because of the years

00:59:19.739 --> 00:59:24.159
have moved on, right? It will hammer home. what

00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:27.039
a crap shoot the NFL draft is. There are plenty

00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:29.159
of first rounders who don't make it to a second

00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.119
contract. There's a reason the average length

00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:32.920
of a career in the NFL is three years, right?

00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:37.199
Like there there's so much talent and opportunity

00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:40.739
coming out of the college ranks that never actualizes

00:59:40.739 --> 00:59:42.900
because the speed of the game, the complexity

00:59:42.900 --> 00:59:45.199
of the game, the physicality of the players at

00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:48.780
that level, injuries, all kinds of different

00:59:48.780 --> 00:59:51.039
contexts, politics in the locker room. There

00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:52.940
are so many ways you can find your way out of

00:59:52.940 --> 00:59:55.949
the league. And unfortunately for Dwayne Carter,

00:59:56.090 --> 00:59:58.750
it looks like this is a level of football that

00:59:58.750 --> 01:00:02.349
he wasn't meant to play based on his game tape

01:00:02.349 --> 01:00:04.130
from last year, based on everything we've seen

01:00:04.130 --> 01:00:06.230
this year, based on the fact that at the end

01:00:06.230 --> 01:00:08.789
of the Bears game, he was still on the field

01:00:08.789 --> 01:00:11.489
for the last 30 or 40 snaps as one of the last.

01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:14.800
defensive lineman. Stunning. Yeah, when they're

01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:17.820
literally scraping the bottom of the barrel with

01:00:17.820 --> 01:00:20.139
guys who were signed off of other teams, you

01:00:20.139 --> 01:00:22.719
know, or undrafted rookie free agents signed

01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:25.460
who were cut by other teams that same week are

01:00:25.460 --> 01:00:28.139
playing there next to the Bills previous third

01:00:28.139 --> 01:00:30.800
round pick. So, yeah, it doesn't look good for

01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:32.480
him. Like you said, it didn't look good with

01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:34.000
the moves that they made in the offseason to

01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:37.579
bolster the line. Zion Logue was taken off the

01:00:37.579 --> 01:00:40.280
field against the Bears before Duane Carter.

01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:43.920
He's been a bubble French player still is but

01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:47.199
I do I wouldn't be absolutely stunned if Zion

01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:50.079
Lowe got a roster spot over doing Carter Yeah,

01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:53.639
I wouldn't be shocked by that either Dude, I

01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:56.820
just I can't help all of my brain go to this

01:00:56.820 --> 01:00:59.039
place because I've got a lot of time on my hands

01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:00.719
But let's think back to last year's draft. We

01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:02.579
talked about Cole Bishop already. I don't want

01:01:02.579 --> 01:01:05.079
to I don't want to do this exercise. I know where

01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:07.139
you're going. I don't want to go there Cole Bishop

01:01:07.139 --> 01:01:10.420
has seen his struggles may not, may not be the

01:01:10.420 --> 01:01:13.000
Prince that was promised at safety. Keon Coleman,

01:01:13.940 --> 01:01:16.559
let's say for, you know, negativity sake, he

01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:18.739
doesn't take the next step. And he ends up being

01:01:18.739 --> 01:01:20.760
Calvin Benjamin, as you've referred to him a

01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:23.480
couple of times. Now you're cutting Dwayne Carter.

01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:27.400
The first three rounds of that 2024 draft look

01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:30.559
markedly ineffective. And then you add to that

01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:34.039
a guy like Edifuan Olifosio, who I feel like

01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:38.050
is also better chance than not not making this

01:01:38.050 --> 01:01:40.190
roster their fifth round linebacker pick from

01:01:40.190 --> 01:01:42.829
that draft. What are you really left with? You've

01:01:42.829 --> 01:01:46.210
got Ray Davis, right? That's about it. Yeah,

01:01:46.210 --> 01:01:48.889
you may have Ray Davis Cedric van Prangranger

01:01:48.889 --> 01:01:53.429
as a potential future NFL starter. Tylen Grable,

01:01:53.449 --> 01:01:55.269
who's another bubble player, I think he's bubble

01:01:55.269 --> 01:01:57.610
only because he's been injured. Yep. Because

01:01:57.610 --> 01:02:00.329
he won the swing tackle job last year. And so

01:02:00.329 --> 01:02:02.369
there's a chance that he's a good pick. Javon

01:02:02.369 --> 01:02:07.010
Solomon. What are we doing here, Javon? Oh God,

01:02:07.010 --> 01:02:11.849
I know. He has at times we have both been like,

01:02:11.849 --> 01:02:14.130
oh, that's a good rep. Like that's a nice looking

01:02:14.130 --> 01:02:17.590
because he's the speed. He's a small speed edge

01:02:17.590 --> 01:02:21.650
rusher type. But I just don't know that there's

01:02:21.650 --> 01:02:24.190
that there are four players I want to see ahead

01:02:24.190 --> 01:02:27.789
of him in every game. Right. Like I want to see

01:02:27.789 --> 01:02:32.429
Rousseau, Bosa, Michael Hoyt when he's back and

01:02:32.429 --> 01:02:37.199
even Landon Jackson to get snaps over. Um over

01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:40.400
javon solomon and don't forget aj appaneza, too

01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:44.360
I do I always do I always do I always do except

01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:46.559
for that one play that he has each year where

01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:48.460
he like tips an interception to himself and gets

01:02:48.460 --> 01:02:50.920
a touchdown like Because he's easy to forget

01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:54.179
because that's it right like this It's like oh,

01:02:54.179 --> 01:02:56.320
oh my gosh aj appaneza is on this team. He did

01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:58.820
something Oh, well, I guess we'll hear from again

01:02:58.820 --> 01:03:01.869
in six weeks. Yeah Two first -round picks in

01:03:01.869 --> 01:03:05.030
AJ Eponeza for Michael Parsons. 100%. Do it.

01:03:05.670 --> 01:03:07.869
Absolutely. Absolutely ran out. Throw Curtis

01:03:07.869 --> 01:03:11.250
Samuel onto the mix too. Yeah, no. Before James

01:03:11.250 --> 01:03:12.329
Cook signed his deal, I would have thrown him

01:03:12.329 --> 01:03:15.409
as well. Just come on. Anybody. Just anybody

01:03:15.409 --> 01:03:18.150
for Michael Parsons. Just got to have somebody

01:03:18.150 --> 01:03:20.550
who I know every year is going to get you 10

01:03:20.550 --> 01:03:23.329
plus sacks. They just know it. Seriously. It's

01:03:23.329 --> 01:03:26.710
why over the off -season, the few times we were

01:03:26.710 --> 01:03:29.610
talking football over the off -season, Um, that,

01:03:29.610 --> 01:03:32.090
um, Miles Garrett was like, you know what? I

01:03:32.090 --> 01:03:33.750
want to play for a winner. And then they're like,

01:03:33.909 --> 01:03:35.670
beep, beep, beep. Here's a truck full of money.

01:03:35.750 --> 01:03:38.929
He's like, nevermind. Um, during that time I

01:03:38.929 --> 01:03:42.030
was very much like spend whatever you need, spend

01:03:42.030 --> 01:03:46.849
everything, get that guy. Right. Don't sign anybody

01:03:46.849 --> 01:03:49.250
back except Josh Allen to get this guy. Josh

01:03:49.250 --> 01:03:51.929
Allen, Miles Garrett. Super Bowl. Boom. There

01:03:51.929 --> 01:03:54.750
you go. That's what you need. Yeah. Oh man, man,

01:03:54.889 --> 01:03:57.170
we covered a ton of ground here today We covered

01:03:57.170 --> 01:04:00.329
news all of our camp thoughts and now we are

01:04:00.329 --> 01:04:02.550
ready to watch the final bills preseason game

01:04:02.550 --> 01:04:05.369
here this weekend before we are We get into the

01:04:05.369 --> 01:04:07.449
regular season stuff, man. It is great to have

01:04:07.449 --> 01:04:09.969
you back on the pod. I gotta say Thank you, brother.

01:04:09.989 --> 01:04:12.550
I'm so happy to be back and I'll say this to

01:04:12.550 --> 01:04:14.630
all the bills mafia watching the preseason game

01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:18.159
this weekend against the Buccaneers in a truly

01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:20.739
rare and exciting opportunity to play a team

01:04:20.739 --> 01:04:23.000
in the preseason that you also then see in the

01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:27.039
regular season. Expect even less game planning

01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:30.159
scheme or starters than you saw against the Bears.

01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:33.280
And don't panic if the Buccaneers play their

01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:35.920
first and second string in tune up and the Bills

01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:38.460
get absolutely walloped for like a 42 to nothing.

01:04:39.139 --> 01:04:41.960
It doesn't matter if it matters. There's people

01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:44.260
that were like slamming the panic panic button

01:04:44.260 --> 01:04:47.500
in my like guys, Bills, friends chat last weekend.

01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:50.719
And I was like, the Bears beat the Bills like

01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:53.679
32 to six or something last off season. And then

01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:56.159
they ended up proceeding to go five and 12 while

01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:57.679
the Bills were in the AFC championship game.

01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:00.280
This means nothing. There's literally less than

01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:02.539
nothing. Yeah, literally posted that on our socials.

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I was like, oh, here's the headline from the

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last time the Bears beat the Bills in the preseason

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last season. Remind me how this worked out for

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both of these squads. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Caleb

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Williams is probably still going to be the most

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stacked quarterback in the league. The Bears

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are probably not going to go anywhere. And the

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Bills are probably going to be vying for the

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number one seed in the AFC yet again. Like that's

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come on, people like let's let's look at the

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prior results instead of the preseason. Yeah,

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man. Although I do think the Bears are going

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to be okay. And I think, dude, I have so many

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hot takes we need to unpack on the pod. One of

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one of them is I don't think the Packers are

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going to make the playoffs. Oh, yeah, good one.

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Yeah, we need to we need to unpack a lot of do

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around the hole around the NFL piece. Absolutely.

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But on a future pod, my friend, thank you for

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all of you listening at home. Like, share and

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