WEBVTT 00:00:00.679 --> 00:00:03.359 What's up Bills Mafia and welcome back to the 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:06.839 Buffalo Bread Podcast. I am your host Dan Roberts. 00:00:07.219 --> 00:00:10.720 Folks, we have real live Buffalo Bills football 00:00:10.720 --> 00:00:13.759 to talk about. albeit preseason football, but 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:17.219 nonetheless, we inch ever closer to the opening 00:00:17.219 --> 00:00:20.399 of the 2025 regular season. The Bills will square 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:23.940 off this Saturday against the New York Giants. 00:00:24.100 --> 00:00:27.660 And we are very fortunate to have a resident 00:00:27.660 --> 00:00:30.600 Giants expert that we have added to our ever 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:33.579 deepening bench of Friends of the Pod, not Friends 00:00:33.579 --> 00:00:36.340 of the Bills co -hosts. We are very excited to 00:00:36.340 --> 00:00:39.060 welcome one Logan Delutis today to talk about 00:00:39.060 --> 00:00:42.079 the G -Men. Logan, how you doing? I'm good, Dan. 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:45.520 It's an honor to be here. Thank you for having 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:49.100 me. I'm excited that we're rolling into the season. 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:52.600 I'm excited to talk football. I'm excited to 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:55.539 talk about my Giants. Awesome man i'm excited 00:00:55.539 --> 00:00:57.979 to talk about your giants too i mean a lot of 00:00:57.979 --> 00:01:02.020 bills mafia we have a we have a soft affinity 00:01:02.020 --> 00:01:04.500 for the giants in a lot of ways just because 00:01:04.500 --> 00:01:06.420 of the day ball shane connection which will get 00:01:06.420 --> 00:01:09.099 to in a little bit but it's also just exciting 00:01:09.099 --> 00:01:12.209 to have someone who like can talk. NFC football 00:01:12.209 --> 00:01:15.150 on the pod. For all of our listeners know that 00:01:15.150 --> 00:01:18.090 JJ and I while we love all NFL football, we're 00:01:18.090 --> 00:01:21.069 pretty much beasts of the AFC East. So it is 00:01:21.069 --> 00:01:23.810 great Logan to get your perspective on the G 00:01:23.810 --> 00:01:26.109 men this upcoming season and this game on Saturday 00:01:26.109 --> 00:01:28.810 is the perfect segue into it. But before we get 00:01:28.810 --> 00:01:32.230 to that, We always love hearing the stories from 00:01:32.230 --> 00:01:35.310 our first time hosts about how they came across 00:01:35.310 --> 00:01:38.530 their fandom their love for their team And I'd 00:01:38.530 --> 00:01:40.049 love to give you the floor to talk a little bit 00:01:40.049 --> 00:01:43.049 about how you came about your fandom of the Giants 00:01:43.049 --> 00:01:45.930 and like why you love the squad so much. Yeah, 00:01:45.930 --> 00:01:49.510 so You know growing up. I was always a football 00:01:49.510 --> 00:01:55.269 player Never really dove deep into rooting for 00:01:55.269 --> 00:01:58.989 an NFL team. My dad was a lifelong Raiders fan 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:03.200 I was like, eh, don't really want to root for 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:07.939 them. So, and I've always been a lifelong Yankees 00:02:07.939 --> 00:02:11.219 fan. So I was like, you know, there's the Yankee, 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:16.060 there's the Giants and the Jets. I'm going to 00:02:16.060 --> 00:02:20.740 go with the Giants. Such a good pick. So, you 00:02:20.740 --> 00:02:24.930 know, I kind of just being young and And getting 00:02:24.930 --> 00:02:28.909 into the NFL more, I kind of just chose the Giants 00:02:28.909 --> 00:02:32.169 as being a New Yorker. And that was the team 00:02:32.169 --> 00:02:37.310 that I kind of got into early and first. And 00:02:37.310 --> 00:02:41.770 then early on in my fandom of the Giants was 00:02:41.770 --> 00:02:45.610 when we defeated the Patriots in the 2012 Super 00:02:45.610 --> 00:02:48.530 Bowl and ended their undefeated season. So that 00:02:48.530 --> 00:02:53.169 was kind of like, oh, OK, we're a good team. 00:02:54.250 --> 00:02:59.069 It was, I can remember watching that game. I 00:02:59.069 --> 00:03:03.150 relive to this day the David Tyree helmet catch. 00:03:05.270 --> 00:03:08.530 One of the few positive things in recent years 00:03:08.530 --> 00:03:11.590 of being a Giants fan is we seem to have a knack 00:03:11.590 --> 00:03:15.870 for highlight reel catches between David Tyree 00:03:15.870 --> 00:03:19.889 and ever famous Odell Beckham Jr. one handed 00:03:19.889 --> 00:03:25.280 catch against the Cowboys. Hate to say that seems 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:27.280 to have been my highlight of my Giants fandom 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:30.479 so far throughout the little over a decade of 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:35.460 being a Giants fan but yeah, I think I Think 00:03:35.460 --> 00:03:38.020 watching this team over the years. I think you 00:03:38.020 --> 00:03:42.580 know Coming from the Eli Manning era and seeing 00:03:42.580 --> 00:03:46.719 how we now, you know Try to grow back into this 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:50.400 successful franchise that we've been you know 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:54.340 for decades prior it's It's obviously been a 00:03:54.340 --> 00:03:58.659 rocky road, but it's been a fun road. And as 00:03:58.659 --> 00:04:00.939 someone who loves football, you know, like yourself, 00:04:01.219 --> 00:04:04.620 it's it's always great to see the decisions that 00:04:04.620 --> 00:04:06.479 the front office makes, whether it's decisions 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:10.840 I enjoy or decisions I don't enjoy. So, yeah, 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:14.860 it's kind of a little history about my Giants 00:04:14.860 --> 00:04:19.019 fandom. So, yeah. Very cool, dude. And listen, 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:22.060 despite how rocky a road it has been recently, 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:25.259 as you alluded to, you have a living memory that 00:04:25.259 --> 00:04:28.600 many and no one in Bill's mafia does, which is 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:31.379 the cherished core memory of winning a Super 00:04:31.379 --> 00:04:34.939 Bowl championship. So take that with you nurture 00:04:34.939 --> 00:04:39.709 that memory for all time. That's cool. And listen, 00:04:39.829 --> 00:04:41.569 man, you segued beautifully into where I want 00:04:41.569 --> 00:04:43.709 to start things before we get into the game preview 00:04:43.709 --> 00:04:46.089 here. You talked a little bit about front office 00:04:46.089 --> 00:04:48.930 and how as a fandom, we kind of live and die 00:04:48.930 --> 00:04:51.730 good or bad, we roll with the decisions that 00:04:51.730 --> 00:04:54.149 a lot of the leadership for our favorite teams 00:04:54.149 --> 00:04:56.850 deal with. And your leadership has been under 00:04:56.850 --> 00:04:59.209 some fire over the past few years, and one Joe 00:04:59.209 --> 00:05:01.790 Shane and one Brian Dayball. So before we jump 00:05:01.790 --> 00:05:04.850 into the game, I'd love to get your take especially 00:05:04.850 --> 00:05:07.470 as someone coming from the Eli Manning era, right, 00:05:07.470 --> 00:05:09.730 where where the organization was so successful. 00:05:10.110 --> 00:05:13.870 What has been sort of your take? What has been 00:05:13.870 --> 00:05:16.930 your thoughts so far on the Shane Dayball experiment? 00:05:17.269 --> 00:05:19.370 Where are some of those areas you've noted that 00:05:19.370 --> 00:05:21.110 they've hit? And then what are some of those 00:05:21.110 --> 00:05:23.389 areas you're like, Nah, man, that that's a complete 00:05:23.389 --> 00:05:32.189 mess. Yeah, so Based on what other people have 00:05:32.189 --> 00:05:35.310 you know, maybe said about the the table in Shane 00:05:35.310 --> 00:05:38.329 era I I don't think it's been a complete bust 00:05:38.329 --> 00:05:43.870 so far I think a struggle that they have come 00:05:43.870 --> 00:05:46.410 into is they are now they have been trying to 00:05:46.410 --> 00:05:50.370 build out of what Gettleman had built when he 00:05:50.370 --> 00:05:54.870 was here which was nothing short of a dumpster 00:05:54.870 --> 00:05:58.290 fire. Total disaster. Yes. And I went into every 00:05:58.290 --> 00:06:02.990 draft year just praying we pulled at least one 00:06:02.990 --> 00:06:07.230 decent drafted player that made sense for what 00:06:07.230 --> 00:06:12.089 we needed. Um, so I think as far as what they've 00:06:12.089 --> 00:06:13.790 hit on and alluded to kind of what I just said 00:06:13.790 --> 00:06:15.850 about drafts, I think, I think they've hit on 00:06:15.850 --> 00:06:20.529 drafts for the most part. Um, I think they've 00:06:20.529 --> 00:06:23.399 picked up some guys in the draft that have come 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:26.220 in and been real contributors. One I'll hint 00:06:26.220 --> 00:06:31.959 to is Nubin. He's come in and really filled a 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:36.980 gap at safety, a gap that was kind of Shane's 00:06:36.980 --> 00:06:38.899 doing and not bringing back Xavier McKinney. 00:06:39.540 --> 00:06:42.240 But then again, he went and still filled that 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:46.899 gap with young talent. You know, he's... Made 00:06:46.899 --> 00:06:49.899 attempts to fill the the massive gaps we have 00:06:49.899 --> 00:06:52.980 at O line whether it be through the draft or 00:06:52.980 --> 00:06:57.300 through free agency So I think draft classes. 00:06:57.459 --> 00:07:01.439 I've loved how Joe Shane has gone about these 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:06.660 draft classes Again, you know I say for the most 00:07:06.660 --> 00:07:09.860 part because probably like every team they passed 00:07:09.860 --> 00:07:13.120 on someone that ended up being a big star for 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:15.980 example, we picked up Cordell flot out of the 00:07:15.980 --> 00:07:20.220 draft over someone like a Nicoby Dean Who I'd 00:07:20.220 --> 00:07:24.120 love to have Or we picked up a Wanda Robinson 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:26.540 in the draft who hasn't been horrible by any 00:07:26.540 --> 00:07:29.100 means I mean, I think Wanda Robinson is an extremely 00:07:29.100 --> 00:07:33.420 underrated guy for for his position But we pass 00:07:33.420 --> 00:07:36.279 on a guy like George Pickens You have that with 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:39.319 every team though. So I mean it's you can't you 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:41.360 can't stress about that too much, but I do think 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:45.660 Joe Shane and his team have done a pretty good 00:07:45.660 --> 00:07:48.279 job so far in his short tenure as the Giants 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:53.660 general manager with draft classes. With Brian 00:07:53.660 --> 00:07:56.639 Dable, I would say Brian Dables brought a little 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:00.120 bit of a different culture to the team that I 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:05.439 think was very much needed. I think for the few 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:07.740 years before Brian Dable became the Giants head 00:08:07.740 --> 00:08:10.620 coach, I think we had no culture. I think we 00:08:10.620 --> 00:08:15.160 had no identity. I think we had a lot of experimental 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:17.079 head coaches that weren't really cut out for 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:20.060 the job and we're just trying to kind of pass 00:08:20.060 --> 00:08:25.860 it by. I think Brian Dable came in with the fire 00:08:25.860 --> 00:08:30.199 that he brings and wanted to win. And that's 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:33.399 what was so exciting for me seeing Brian Dable 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:37.320 come in. This is a guy that cares about winning 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:41.379 and you see it on the field. And you see it in 00:08:41.379 --> 00:08:46.600 press conferences. Now, some may say the flames 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:49.980 get a little too high with him sometimes. I have 00:08:49.980 --> 00:08:55.320 in fact said that, yes. But I think for me, I'd 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:58.139 rather see that and say, hey, maybe in my mind, 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.559 take a step back a little bit rather than does 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:06.500 this guy even care that we're three and 14 to 00:09:06.500 --> 00:09:12.000 end a year? So I think that's kind of some some 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.720 hits on this on this regime that's been in there. 00:09:15.860 --> 00:09:20.440 I think I think Mrs. You know, I touched on on 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:23.600 Shane's draft classes. I do think something he's 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:30.240 missed on slightly is his free agency. We brought 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:32.000 in some big names, you know, Brian Burns was 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:34.379 a big need. I think that was a great signing. 00:09:35.529 --> 00:09:38.429 The defensive side he's he's done some things 00:09:38.429 --> 00:09:41.590 that I I'm a fan of Paul Sinodibo this past offseason 00:09:41.590 --> 00:09:47.269 helping out the the very struggling secondary 00:09:47.269 --> 00:09:52.269 But I think Where I think Joe Shane's missed 00:09:52.269 --> 00:09:57.629 is making that big splash and free agency I think 00:09:57.629 --> 00:09:59.710 his biggest splash up to this point is Brian 00:09:59.710 --> 00:10:05.759 Burns who has again been great, but I I would 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:10.100 have liked to see, with our team and how much 00:10:10.100 --> 00:10:12.500 our offensive struggled, a big splash on the 00:10:12.500 --> 00:10:16.139 offensive side. And I wouldn't call Russell Wilson 00:10:16.139 --> 00:10:21.259 a big splash at this point in his career. I think 00:10:21.259 --> 00:10:23.399 he's a guy who can come in and provide a veteran 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:26.840 leadership that the offensive needs. But I think 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:31.580 he had an opportunity with Saquon Barkley and 00:10:31.580 --> 00:10:35.159 he let it go. He had an opportunity with Xavier 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:37.559 McKinney that I kind of touched on on the defensive 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:42.340 side and kind of let it go You know, hopefully 00:10:42.340 --> 00:10:45.820 what we've done after that will pan out and it 00:10:45.820 --> 00:10:48.620 looks like so far it well with You know Tyrone 00:10:48.620 --> 00:10:52.639 Tracy as our running back. He's you know Slowly, 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:56.580 but surely, you know making his way into a really 00:10:56.580 --> 00:11:00.019 good running back from what I've seen And like 00:11:00.019 --> 00:11:02.639 I mentioned before about Newman, he's coming 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:07.799 on as a solid safety. I think he just hasn't 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:10.139 been as aggressive as I think he can be in free 00:11:10.139 --> 00:11:15.500 agency. And I think it's played into us not reaching 00:11:15.500 --> 00:11:20.519 our potential. I think we can as a team. With 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:25.820 Brian Dable, I would say a miss would be the 00:11:25.820 --> 00:11:31.559 offensive play calling. I think taking play calling 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:34.919 away from Mike Kafka was a big mistake when he 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:38.700 did it. Purely because the year Mike Kafka was 00:11:38.700 --> 00:11:40.779 running our offense, we made the playoffs with 00:11:40.779 --> 00:11:46.899 Daniel Jones. And I arguably say Mike Kafka got 00:11:46.899 --> 00:11:50.940 Daniel Jones his $40 million contract. So I think 00:11:50.940 --> 00:11:54.299 taking those play calls, that play calling ability 00:11:54.299 --> 00:11:58.830 from Mike Kafka away was kind of a mess. I was 00:11:58.830 --> 00:12:04.309 never really sure why they did it. So I've I've 00:12:04.309 --> 00:12:07.309 seen that work that day ball and Kafka kind of 00:12:07.309 --> 00:12:09.549 collaborated collaborating on the offense this 00:12:09.549 --> 00:12:11.389 year. And I think Kafka is kind of coming back 00:12:11.389 --> 00:12:14.289 into the mix. That's what I kind of like to see, 00:12:14.309 --> 00:12:16.730 because, again, we were successful when he was 00:12:16.730 --> 00:12:20.710 in the mix of the offensive play calling. And 00:12:20.710 --> 00:12:26.279 another I think big mess and. What and this goes 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:29.059 for both Shane and dables we've been completely 00:12:29.059 --> 00:12:34.059 non -competitive in our division You know a division 00:12:34.059 --> 00:12:36.240 that's you know tough of course especially with 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:39.519 how the Cowboys the Eagles and and now the commanders 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:44.000 have developed but We we've kind of just become 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:45.919 the laughing stock of the division and almost 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:49.519 the laughing stock at the NFC and and that's 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:54.169 just something I think They need to build out 00:12:54.169 --> 00:12:57.970 of and I think we've seen with the commander's 00:12:57.970 --> 00:13:01.169 Team that I think widely was regarded as a rebuilding 00:13:01.169 --> 00:13:04.210 team last year Make the playoffs and completely 00:13:04.210 --> 00:13:07.350 shock everyone So it's possible and it's even 00:13:07.350 --> 00:13:11.190 possible in the division we're in And I would 00:13:11.190 --> 00:13:13.490 of course like to see more progression from that 00:13:13.490 --> 00:13:15.830 from that end of things So yeah, that's kind 00:13:15.830 --> 00:13:20.330 of my my hits and misses for for the Shane Dable 00:13:20.330 --> 00:13:23.980 regime so far in New York Dude, you and I have 00:13:23.980 --> 00:13:27.120 known each other for a few years now. And I remember 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:29.320 several conversations we've had where we have 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:32.980 talked about the recent recent history of New 00:13:32.980 --> 00:13:35.500 York Giants draft. And I've been like, man, that 00:13:35.500 --> 00:13:37.120 should have been the bills draft for so many 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:39.679 years, right? I mean, bringing in guys like Drew 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:43.120 Phillips, even a guy like Jalen Hyatt, who it's 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:45.759 so hard to do, it's so hard to evaluate wide 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:48.120 receivers coming out of Tennessee, because they're 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.600 not running anything close to a normal route 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.379 tree. But take it taking bets on guys with traits 00:13:54.379 --> 00:13:57.860 like that has always been something I have approved 00:13:57.860 --> 00:13:59.740 of with Shane. And of course, like Tyler new 00:13:59.740 --> 00:14:02.340 been coming out of Minnesota was one of my draft 00:14:02.340 --> 00:14:06.620 crushes. Right. So I always feel like Shane still 00:14:06.620 --> 00:14:09.440 carries with him that talented eye that he had 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:11.720 in Buffalo when he was advising being on the 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:13.980 draft picks that they wanted to make. And I definitely 00:14:13.980 --> 00:14:15.659 think he's brought that to New York for sure. 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:18.509 You know, you bring up such a good point about 00:14:18.509 --> 00:14:21.990 signing homegrown talent. And I wonder now that 00:14:21.990 --> 00:14:24.750 so much of the Gettleman era has now been completely 00:14:24.750 --> 00:14:27.549 purged from the roster. I wonder if you do see 00:14:27.549 --> 00:14:30.730 that change in free agency with him prioritizing 00:14:30.730 --> 00:14:33.710 a lot more of the guys he has drafted. That is 00:14:33.710 --> 00:14:35.710 a hallmark of the Buffalo Bills and how they 00:14:35.710 --> 00:14:38.509 operate. I mean, we just resigned Cleo Shakir, 00:14:38.710 --> 00:14:41.570 Greg Rousseau, Terrell Bernard. I do wonder if 00:14:41.570 --> 00:14:44.129 if that is now the next step Shane is going to 00:14:44.129 --> 00:14:47.460 take, particularly after how publicly and poorly, 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:49.860 the Saquon Barkley situation landed, which we 00:14:49.860 --> 00:14:52.600 will absolutely get to later on in this pod. 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:56.159 I cannot wait to hear your take on that. Do day 00:14:56.159 --> 00:15:00.389 ball like, listen, love day ball. If I ever see 00:15:00.389 --> 00:15:02.649 him in Buffalo, he'll never have to buy a beer, 00:15:02.929 --> 00:15:05.669 right? beers are on Bill's mafia for everything 00:15:05.669 --> 00:15:08.629 dayball did for this organization. But a big 00:15:08.629 --> 00:15:11.149 reason for the tension between him and McDermott 00:15:11.149 --> 00:15:15.110 is that dayball does refuse to kind of be modulated. 00:15:15.409 --> 00:15:18.730 He refuses to like be checked in a way, which 00:15:18.730 --> 00:15:20.330 I totally agree with your play calling take. 00:15:20.330 --> 00:15:23.289 He's a talented play caller. But there is no 00:15:23.289 --> 00:15:25.110 one now that he has head coach that can check 00:15:25.110 --> 00:15:28.029 his accesses. Like there was in Buffalo with 00:15:28.029 --> 00:15:32.070 McDermott, right? So you have to hope that he's 00:15:32.070 --> 00:15:34.490 going to take that next step in his professional 00:15:34.490 --> 00:15:38.009 development and his professional maturity and 00:15:38.009 --> 00:15:40.129 allow other voices into the room when it comes 00:15:40.129 --> 00:15:42.409 to that stuff. I agree with you. I think Kafka 00:15:42.409 --> 00:15:45.629 is talented. I think Kafka understands personnel 00:15:45.629 --> 00:15:47.409 and I think he understands the personnel you 00:15:47.409 --> 00:15:50.090 guys have. I think if you can combine some of 00:15:50.090 --> 00:15:53.029 that understanding. of what you have on paper 00:15:53.029 --> 00:15:56.509 with some adables chops and X's and O's. I do 00:15:56.509 --> 00:15:58.370 think you guys can be an improved offense this 00:15:58.370 --> 00:16:00.470 year, particularly in the run game. Your offensive 00:16:00.470 --> 00:16:02.490 line should be a really solid run blocking unit. 00:16:02.929 --> 00:16:05.649 So I think I totally agree with your misses for 00:16:05.649 --> 00:16:08.210 this era. And I definitely think that hope is 00:16:08.210 --> 00:16:10.610 potentially on the horizon just based on some 00:16:10.610 --> 00:16:14.570 of the recent changes we've seen. However, your 00:16:14.570 --> 00:16:17.600 owner Mara Was very clear at the end of last 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:19.559 season he went through this big public evaluation 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:21.720 process and basically told both of these guys 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:24.200 You have a year to get your shit together. And 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:27.059 if something doesn't change remarkably, then 00:16:27.059 --> 00:16:30.419 you're both out the door. So We've identified 00:16:30.419 --> 00:16:32.700 the steps. We think these two need to take but 00:16:32.700 --> 00:16:36.840 in your mind what needs to happen This season 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:40.159 for both Shane and day ball to retain their positions 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:45.120 and come back for 2026 Yeah, so I think For this 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:49.200 year, I think it's just competitiveness all around 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:54.059 throughout the year. And I touched on the division 00:16:54.059 --> 00:16:56.299 a little bit, but I think it's just from top 00:16:56.299 --> 00:16:58.980 to bottom, first week to last week, just being 00:16:58.980 --> 00:17:03.100 competitive, showing competitiveness on tape. 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:08.460 You know, I think they both both Shane and Dable 00:17:08.460 --> 00:17:12.890 can't afford to. Go into a home game against 00:17:12.890 --> 00:17:15.710 the Baltimore Ravens like we did last year a 00:17:15.710 --> 00:17:20.369 game in which I attended and get the doors Blown 00:17:20.369 --> 00:17:24.269 off of them the entire game. I mean it was a 00:17:24.269 --> 00:17:27.210 bloodbath They can't afford games like that anymore. 00:17:27.230 --> 00:17:29.509 And I think I think from top to bottom no matter 00:17:29.509 --> 00:17:33.049 who we face I think on tape we have to show that 00:17:33.049 --> 00:17:37.190 we can be competitive and And that doesn't mean 00:17:37.190 --> 00:17:40.369 I expect them to come out and put up a crazy 00:17:40.369 --> 00:17:46.769 record. I don't think that's a smart goal for 00:17:46.769 --> 00:17:49.730 them. As much as I would love to see us make 00:17:49.730 --> 00:17:53.450 the playoffs like everyone else, I think in order 00:17:53.450 --> 00:17:56.009 for Shane and Deval to keep their jobs, they 00:17:56.009 --> 00:17:59.930 need to be competitive with everyone. And I think 00:17:59.930 --> 00:18:03.349 we have the roster to do so. I think, you know, 00:18:03.369 --> 00:18:07.450 they made some pickups again to be competitive, 00:18:07.509 --> 00:18:10.480 I think. there's scheme possibilities that they 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:15.599 can run to take some teams off guard and put 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:18.279 some points on the board. And that's on both 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:23.700 sides of the ball. So I think and I think another 00:18:23.700 --> 00:18:26.960 thing, too, in regards to and I touched on free 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:30.519 agency and the draft, I think it's it's showing 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:35.259 that the moves they made in the past were the 00:18:35.259 --> 00:18:37.819 right moves. And that's kind of touching again 00:18:37.819 --> 00:18:41.339 on the Saquon Barkley move and, you know, the 00:18:41.339 --> 00:18:47.759 Xavier McKinney move and showing not only Mara, 00:18:47.779 --> 00:18:50.200 but, you know, the entire football world, you 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:55.039 know, maybe we made the right decision because 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:57.640 now we have Tyrone Tracy, we have Camp Scadaboo, 00:18:57.839 --> 00:18:59.779 Devin Singletary still in the backfield as a 00:18:59.779 --> 00:19:03.960 veteran presence. Can they devise a scheme to 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:07.650 where, you know, they still put up good numbers 00:19:07.650 --> 00:19:10.289 as a unit. Obviously, none of them are going 00:19:10.289 --> 00:19:15.109 to be a Saquon Barkley type of player. But can 00:19:15.109 --> 00:19:18.789 they still prove to the league, hey, we still 00:19:18.789 --> 00:19:21.289 have a good run game, regardless of who's back 00:19:21.289 --> 00:19:25.670 there? And I think the same goes on the defensive 00:19:25.670 --> 00:19:29.890 side. I think there's a lot of talk going around 00:19:29.890 --> 00:19:35.269 that we have one of the more Say scary defense 00:19:35.269 --> 00:19:37.250 is purely because of our front and how do we 00:19:37.250 --> 00:19:39.930 utilize that to to take advantage of other teams 00:19:39.930 --> 00:19:44.289 weaknesses? So yeah, I think overall for me. 00:19:44.289 --> 00:19:46.569 It's just competitiveness. You know, I don't 00:19:46.569 --> 00:19:48.809 want to see a lot of blowouts this year I think 00:19:48.809 --> 00:19:52.269 they can't afford to just be embarrassed week 00:19:52.269 --> 00:19:57.950 in week out and I think it's also you know for 00:19:57.950 --> 00:20:02.420 for table specifically I think It's just smart 00:20:02.420 --> 00:20:04.900 coaching decisions and games. I think we've seen 00:20:04.900 --> 00:20:08.920 times where it's late in the game and I'm watching 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:12.359 time drain off the clock in two minutes and now 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:16.079 we're screwed because we didn't handle clock 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:18.700 properly to end the game and now we lost. In 00:20:18.700 --> 00:20:20.799 a game, it's an easy game we could have won. 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:25.039 I think it's things like that that we have to 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:27.259 put by the wayside and improve on and just play 00:20:27.259 --> 00:20:30.940 smart football. Cuz like you said, if they don't, 00:20:30.940 --> 00:20:34.819 they're both gone. And and Mara is not going 00:20:34.819 --> 00:20:37.759 to mince words or worry about feelings. He wants 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:40.740 to win and I don't blame him. No, absolutely. 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:43.000 I mean, that's, that's the culture in all New 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:45.720 York sports, be it the Yankees, right, the Giants, 00:20:45.819 --> 00:20:48.880 the Knicks, what have you. You know, you touch 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:51.160 on something interesting with the defense and 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:54.559 and this this idea that you have about competitiveness 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:56.759 showing that the team isn't quitting, right? 00:20:57.140 --> 00:20:58.759 That defense you guys are going to be rolling 00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:00.640 out there week after week, I think is going to 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:02.480 be key to that. There's actually a couple of 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:03.980 keys I want to talk to you about when it comes 00:21:03.980 --> 00:21:06.420 to improvements your team can make. Let's start 00:21:06.420 --> 00:21:08.319 with the defense since you're rolled into that. 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:12.160 But I think number two on this is the first round 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:15.079 QB that that you guys drafted in one Jackson 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:18.000 dart, right? But before you get to dart, excuse 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:20.619 me, let's talk about this defense. All right. 00:21:21.309 --> 00:21:24.509 Dude, this D line is scary. This D line was scary 00:21:24.509 --> 00:21:28.430 last year. Um, before the addition of Abdul Carter, 00:21:28.750 --> 00:21:32.269 they had the third quickest time to pressure 00:21:32.269 --> 00:21:35.490 rate out of any team in the league at 2 .56 seconds. 00:21:36.029 --> 00:21:38.049 And they did a great job keeping most plays in 00:21:38.049 --> 00:21:39.809 front of them, allowing the third lowest yak 00:21:39.809 --> 00:21:42.309 in the league yet struggled in the red zone, 00:21:42.450 --> 00:21:44.450 gave up some points in a bend, but kind of don't 00:21:44.450 --> 00:21:47.759 break mentality. They have gone all out, bringing 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:50.400 in guys like Jevon Holland to add to that safety 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:52.960 room, uh, and help improve the play of Tyler 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.740 new Nubin and support him. You of course have 00:21:55.740 --> 00:21:58.779 added Abdul Carter. You still have Dexter Lawrence 00:21:58.779 --> 00:22:02.460 ye of 71 % double teams last season. And it didn't 00:22:02.460 --> 00:22:04.359 seem to matter because the sack numbers were 00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:08.180 still outrageous. Um, top to bottom, this defense 00:22:08.180 --> 00:22:11.180 is great. And Oh, by the way, you've got if healthy, 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:14.549 a legitimate cover corner and um, Poulsen Adibo 00:22:14.549 --> 00:22:16.849 as well, yet another guy I wish the Bills would 00:22:16.849 --> 00:22:19.410 have looked at this offseason. So let's start 00:22:19.410 --> 00:22:21.710 with that defense. But let's zoom in on that 00:22:21.710 --> 00:22:24.690 on that defensive line. The Giants week in and 00:22:24.690 --> 00:22:26.630 week out are going to go up against some really 00:22:26.630 --> 00:22:28.890 good offensive lines within division. You've 00:22:28.890 --> 00:22:31.190 got the O -line factory that is the Philadelphia 00:22:31.190 --> 00:22:33.750 Eagles and defending Super Bowl champions. You've 00:22:33.750 --> 00:22:36.460 got the Washington commanders. who added Laramie 00:22:36.460 --> 00:22:39.480 Tunsel from the Houston Texans, and also have 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:44.200 a budding kind of controversy competition at 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:46.859 the other tackle spot between the veteran Andrew 00:22:46.859 --> 00:22:49.160 Wiley and the rookie they drafted out of Oregon, 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:51.339 Josh Connerly. So you've got lots of improvements 00:22:51.339 --> 00:22:53.720 in Washington. And then you've got Dallas, which 00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:56.559 always seems to roll out a really solid offensive 00:22:56.559 --> 00:22:59.460 line units with guys like Guyton and Smith in 00:22:59.460 --> 00:23:02.940 the rolls. So talk to me a little bit, Logan, 00:23:02.940 --> 00:23:07.140 if you would. How do you think this already impressive 00:23:07.140 --> 00:23:11.240 now maybe, maybe best in the league defensive 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:13.880 line is going to fare week in and week out against 00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:15.680 some of these talented offensive lines within 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:23.519 division? Yeah. So again, a lot of our divisional 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:26.559 opponents obviously bolstered their line. Um, 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:29.559 as you had mentioned, um, I think what we have 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:34.059 a great opportunity to do is come up with so 00:23:34.059 --> 00:23:37.319 many different looks and schemes that we pretty 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:40.599 much negate the talent that these other teams, 00:23:40.900 --> 00:23:42.980 you know, specifically our divisional rivals 00:23:42.980 --> 00:23:48.519 have added to their offensive line. You know, 00:23:48.660 --> 00:23:51.599 Dexter Lawrence is known around the league as 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:54.539 an absolute force in the middle of that defensive 00:23:54.539 --> 00:23:58.079 line, you know, negating even double teams that 00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:04.759 get put on him. I think having Having him so 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:08.200 worried about in the center It's gonna free up 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:10.519 a lot of opportunity for the guys we have on 00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:13.640 the edge and Abdul Carter cave on Thibodeau Brian 00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:18.180 Burns To just wreak havoc off the edge and these 00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:21.180 are all guys who can move off of the edge of 00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:26.559 the line So I think we have a great opportunity 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:33.059 to to take the lead by storm because again Yes 00:24:33.059 --> 00:24:37.559 offensive lines have five guys, but How fat how 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:41.240 much can they keep up for you know 15 minutes 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:45.000 a quarter? With this defensive line, you know, 00:24:45.099 --> 00:24:47.460 how quickly can we tell your teams out? I think 00:24:47.460 --> 00:24:49.740 I think we can really take advantage of the speed 00:24:49.740 --> 00:24:52.880 we have on this line to tire these offensive 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:55.660 lines out and now you get into the fourth quarter 00:24:55.660 --> 00:24:59.500 and They're gassed and our guys are still coming 00:24:59.500 --> 00:25:01.480 off the edge attacking the quarterback and we're 00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:06.279 just It's pressure, pressure, pressure. And I 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:10.319 think it'll make it easier for everyone behind 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:12.779 them. It'll make it easier for those linebackers 00:25:12.779 --> 00:25:15.299 that have to maybe cover a quick guy out of the 00:25:15.299 --> 00:25:19.240 backfield. It'll make it easy for our secondary. 00:25:19.779 --> 00:25:21.720 You know, you mentioned Javon Holland, obviously 00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:26.359 a very successful safety coming over from Miami. 00:25:27.819 --> 00:25:30.140 You know, I think it'll be interesting to see 00:25:30.140 --> 00:25:33.710 how Maybe we factor in Tyler new been to that 00:25:33.710 --> 00:25:36.049 that front because he's a guy who can come up 00:25:36.049 --> 00:25:38.430 and fail and he can Come into the box because 00:25:38.430 --> 00:25:40.609 now we have a strong guy behind him in Jevon 00:25:40.609 --> 00:25:45.190 Holland to cover I Just think there's so many 00:25:45.190 --> 00:25:47.269 scheme opportunities we can put together with 00:25:47.269 --> 00:25:50.849 this D line That I'm extremely excited for and 00:25:50.849 --> 00:25:54.490 I'm looking forward to seeing what we what we 00:25:54.490 --> 00:26:00.109 do on the field I think everyone Who's a part 00:26:00.109 --> 00:26:02.950 of that D line has a chance to put up insane 00:26:02.950 --> 00:26:07.289 numbers? Whether it's your your everyday stats 00:26:07.289 --> 00:26:10.609 or your your deeper Statistical categories, you 00:26:10.609 --> 00:26:12.769 know, you know pressure rate stuff like that. 00:26:12.769 --> 00:26:16.009 I think they can all put up insane numbers and 00:26:16.009 --> 00:26:19.630 I think You know there there's guys behind those 00:26:19.630 --> 00:26:24.089 big names that also have ability to to contribute 00:26:24.089 --> 00:26:27.130 You got you have a guy like DJ Davidson who's 00:26:27.130 --> 00:26:30.500 another big guy who, you know, not many people 00:26:30.500 --> 00:26:32.759 know about because he sits behind Dexter Lawrence. 00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:37.619 You know, what can you do with two massive dudes 00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:40.359 in the middle who clog up that middle and now 00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:43.220 you have, you know, a scheme where you still 00:26:43.220 --> 00:26:46.839 have Kavon Thibodeau, Brian Burns, and a dual 00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:49.319 Carter out there, you know, rushing from the 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:51.799 outside or maybe one drops back into cover. It's 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:56.980 just a very exciting scenario that we have for 00:26:56.980 --> 00:27:01.150 this year. I'm pumped for it. And I can't wait 00:27:01.150 --> 00:27:04.349 to see what they do that weekend and week out. 00:27:04.630 --> 00:27:07.109 And dude, you guys are going to be not just solid 00:27:07.109 --> 00:27:10.650 against the pass, right? But I mean, low key, 00:27:10.769 --> 00:27:12.230 you guys are going to be so good against the 00:27:12.230 --> 00:27:15.430 run Dexter Lawrence, as we have said, as a gap 00:27:15.430 --> 00:27:18.329 eater in the middle of that line, but cave on 00:27:18.329 --> 00:27:23.000 Thibodeau. Low key maybe one of the better edge 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:25.240 edge setters when it comes to defending the run 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:28.700 game as well. I watched I was watching some of 00:27:28.700 --> 00:27:30.799 his tape in preparation for this and you know 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:33.299 the pressure rate is not always there with him. 00:27:33.420 --> 00:27:35.980 in the pass rest situation. But I ended up watching 00:27:35.980 --> 00:27:38.539 a lot of his run stops and run stuffs. Dude, 00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.319 that guy gets clean off the edge. He gets a beat 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:43.880 on the on the opposing running back so quickly. 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:47.319 His his play recognition and his run diagnosis 00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:50.900 is so fast. And he makes his decisions in a split 00:27:50.900 --> 00:27:53.599 second. And with that raw athleticism, he is 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:55.519 off. I got to tell you, he's very impressive 00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:57.740 against the run. I just think you guys have a 00:27:57.740 --> 00:28:00.700 well rounded defensive line that Honestly, and 00:28:00.700 --> 00:28:02.900 I mean this wholeheartedly nothing sarcastic 00:28:02.900 --> 00:28:06.200 like is the envy I think of Bill's mafia because 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:09.500 this is the type of line block by block. personnel 00:28:09.500 --> 00:28:12.380 type by personnel type that Bean has been trying 00:28:12.380 --> 00:28:15.099 to build for so long, and for whatever reason 00:28:15.099 --> 00:28:17.460 just has not been able to and here it is gift 00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:20.000 wrapped for you Giants fans. I think it's a great 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:23.059 building block to again regain that competitive 00:28:23.059 --> 00:28:25.880 edge that you noted you feel like is needed for 00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:28.480 this team to kind of take that next step into 00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:31.319 relevance in the division. So let's flip over 00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:33.839 to the offensive side of the ball. We alluded 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.990 to this earlier, Shane and Dayball. Got to use 00:28:36.990 --> 00:28:39.329 the first round pick this year on their guy. 00:28:39.450 --> 00:28:41.549 They got to pick their QB and one Jackson Dart. 00:28:41.849 --> 00:28:44.569 And he is going to start the Saturday against 00:28:44.569 --> 00:28:47.309 the Buffalo Bills, uh, seeing his first live 00:28:47.309 --> 00:28:51.910 football action. So I have not admittedly, uh, 00:28:52.029 --> 00:28:54.170 done a lot of homework on Jackson Dart as of 00:28:54.170 --> 00:28:57.240 yet. Um, not a part of the dart discourse only 00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:59.359 because, you know, JJ and I, because we have 00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:02.160 the benefit of Josh Allen, we don't scout a lot 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:05.940 of QBs in the preseason. So give us some insights 00:29:05.940 --> 00:29:09.019 if you could into what you're seeing from Jackson 00:29:09.019 --> 00:29:11.420 Dart and what you hope you're going to see this 00:29:11.420 --> 00:29:14.940 Saturday when he takes the field. Yeah. So I 00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:18.880 think Jackson Dart is another one of these young 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:23.599 quarterbacks who fits this mold that Brian Dable 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.849 loves. And it fits this. I said the same thing 00:29:26.849 --> 00:29:30.569 when we had Daniel Jones. He he compares in ways 00:29:30.569 --> 00:29:36.509 with Josh Allen. He's a guy who, you know, it's 00:29:36.509 --> 00:29:39.630 not necessarily your your Lamar Jackson of running 00:29:39.630 --> 00:29:42.170 and running past people, but he can move and 00:29:42.170 --> 00:29:44.410 he's not afraid to take a hit and he will fight 00:29:44.410 --> 00:29:47.569 for those extra yards. And Jackson also got a 00:29:47.569 --> 00:29:52.549 big arm as does Josh Allen. So I think he. He 00:29:52.549 --> 00:29:56.869 fits that mold that I think you know Brian Dable 00:29:56.869 --> 00:30:01.589 is looking to have at quarterback And I think 00:30:01.589 --> 00:30:05.430 just this year so far as a rookie in camp he's 00:30:05.430 --> 00:30:07.349 he's done a lot of good things He's had some 00:30:07.349 --> 00:30:10.630 growing pains like, you know, most rookie quarterbacks 00:30:10.630 --> 00:30:14.809 do From what I've seen is he's he's caught on 00:30:14.809 --> 00:30:18.690 to Just the NFL scheme quickly and the Giants 00:30:18.690 --> 00:30:22.089 game quickly, which is great I think he's soaking 00:30:22.089 --> 00:30:25.930 in every opportunity that he has with the veteran 00:30:25.930 --> 00:30:29.890 quarterbacks on our roster, especially Jameis 00:30:29.890 --> 00:30:32.109 Winston. I mean, he made it known that he wants 00:30:32.109 --> 00:30:35.910 to come to New York and help a guy like Jackson 00:30:35.910 --> 00:30:39.190 Dart who was a rookie progress in the NFL. And 00:30:39.190 --> 00:30:41.529 I think Jackson Dart has really taken advantage 00:30:41.529 --> 00:30:44.069 of that. And that's great to see because, you 00:30:44.069 --> 00:30:45.990 know, you see these guys coming to the NFL and, 00:30:46.109 --> 00:30:49.400 you know, Whether they're expected to be this 00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:52.099 first year starter or not They kind of just do 00:30:52.099 --> 00:30:54.339 things on their own whether and they may even 00:30:54.339 --> 00:30:56.900 have their own their own way of doing things, 00:30:56.900 --> 00:31:03.460 but You know Jackson Dart has really taken The 00:31:03.460 --> 00:31:05.680 he's really taken advantage of the ability to 00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:09.059 the learn of the veterans that Joe Shane brought 00:31:09.059 --> 00:31:13.859 in To to assist Jackson Dart and I think just 00:31:13.859 --> 00:31:16.220 watching some of his tape from the preseason 00:31:17.139 --> 00:31:19.279 It looks like he's making a lot of good decisions 00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:23.359 with the ball He's made a couple off script plays 00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:25.619 that I've seen where he's still gotten the ball 00:31:25.619 --> 00:31:27.640 to the receiver even on a busted play Which of 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.019 course is always good to see because those type 00:31:30.019 --> 00:31:34.680 of things happen in game And I think he's developing 00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:38.279 connections early with receivers I think Theo 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:40.599 Johnson is someone who he's favored it as far 00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:44.920 as a target which you know We have two phenomenal 00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:48.160 tight ends already And it's good to see that 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:50.319 he's developing a connection with these with 00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:52.779 these guys who are most definitely gonna play 00:31:52.779 --> 00:31:59.519 a big role in our offense You know I Touching 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:01.180 on the good things and maybe you know touching 00:32:01.180 --> 00:32:03.859 on a quick struggle. I've seen where he's maybe 00:32:03.859 --> 00:32:07.839 held on to the ball a Tick too long and someplace 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:11.200 But again, it's it's a part of those growing 00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:15.480 pains It'll be interesting to see how he does 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.920 against live -action this weekend You know another 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:22.900 team coming at him that can hit him, you know 00:32:22.900 --> 00:32:25.059 that that speed of the game How was he gonna 00:32:25.059 --> 00:32:28.759 react to the speed of the NFL? Now that you know, 00:32:28.859 --> 00:32:32.000 we're live and this isn't practice anymore. So 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:35.240 I'm excited for him. I think there's a lot of 00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:39.119 good things that have shown I think he Was the 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:42.809 best option for Brian Dable coming out of this 00:32:42.809 --> 00:32:47.769 draft just with his play style and and his kind 00:32:47.769 --> 00:32:51.490 of the swag he brings with him and his Characteristics, 00:32:51.490 --> 00:32:53.470 I think he's the perfect guy for Brian table 00:32:53.470 --> 00:32:58.009 coming out of this draft and Hopefully we can 00:32:58.009 --> 00:33:00.509 succeed enough as a team to where Brian Dable 00:33:00.509 --> 00:33:03.930 gets to use him at quarterback And and John Mara 00:33:03.930 --> 00:33:06.369 doesn't ship Brian Dable off somewhere else and 00:33:06.369 --> 00:33:09.759 someone else gets to use Jackson dirt. So But 00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.920 yeah. Let me ask you, let me ask you about that, 00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:16.339 right? Cause your guys schedule the season, bro. 00:33:16.579 --> 00:33:21.500 It is scary stuff, right? So, so do you really 00:33:21.500 --> 00:33:23.680 want to see Jackson Dart this season? Let me, 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:26.160 I'm going to run through some of your first games 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:29.500 and you tell me where you want to see Jackson 00:33:29.500 --> 00:33:32.400 Dart finally get the keys to the, to the, to 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.019 the Porsche. All right. So you open up the season, 00:33:35.019 --> 00:33:38.160 uh, at commanders, then you've got the Cowboys. 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.099 Then you've got the chiefs. Then you've got the 00:33:41.099 --> 00:33:43.619 chargers. So you've got for out of your first 00:33:43.619 --> 00:33:45.980 four games, you've got three playoff teams from 00:33:45.980 --> 00:33:48.319 last season. Then you've got the saints kind 00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:50.099 of an easy one, but then you got the Eagles. 00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.200 Then you got the Broncos. Then you got the Eagles 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.220 again. Then you got the Niners. Then you have 00:33:56.220 --> 00:33:59.500 the much improved Ben Johnson led bears. Then 00:33:59.500 --> 00:34:04.180 the Packers, the lions, the Patriots, the commanders. 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.700 The Vikings and then you finish up with the Raiders 00:34:07.700 --> 00:34:12.320 and the Cowboys Sir that is a brutal draw this 00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:15.699 season so like it I get it everyone wants to 00:34:15.699 --> 00:34:18.340 see like their their first round pick it in there 00:34:18.340 --> 00:34:21.159 but like do you really want to see him in there 00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.639 this season because I feel like there's there 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:26.820 is risk to the young man's life right so pick 00:34:26.820 --> 00:34:29.940 your spot. If you see him roll out this season 00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:37.039 where would you want it to be. If he does roll 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:42.639 out this season, I would I would like to see 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:51.639 it probably post week 13. You know, once I wouldn't 00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:53.619 want to see him roll out this season until we're 00:34:53.619 --> 00:34:56.119 out of playoff picture. And even if we're out 00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:57.980 early, I still wouldn't want to see it until 00:34:57.980 --> 00:35:03.179 later in the year. I think for me and I think 00:35:03.179 --> 00:35:08.300 I think for me, I don't Don't really want to 00:35:08.300 --> 00:35:12.260 see him out there at all this year I think this 00:35:12.260 --> 00:35:14.360 is an opportunity to learn from our mistakes 00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:17.800 with Daniel Jones and rushing on early QB and 00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:22.719 to a starting role now mind you I There's a part 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:24.559 of me that understands that we kind of had to 00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:26.739 with Daniel Jones. We we didn't have much outs 00:35:26.739 --> 00:35:30.219 at the time You know, we were one of those teams 00:35:30.219 --> 00:35:33.699 where it was top quarterback. He was gonna start 00:35:33.699 --> 00:35:38.860 first year Now what in hindsight when I say Daniel 00:35:38.860 --> 00:35:40.980 Jones was the top quarterback in that draft probably 00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:45.219 not but You know again, we learned from our mistakes 00:35:45.219 --> 00:35:52.659 I think what Jackson dart I would like us to 00:35:52.659 --> 00:35:57.679 to take a route That I think a lot of Patriots 00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:00.829 fans last year wanted to see what Drake may This 00:36:00.829 --> 00:36:04.429 is the correct comp. Yes, keep going. We utilize 00:36:04.429 --> 00:36:12.329 our veterans to just get beat down and save Jackson 00:36:12.329 --> 00:36:16.949 Dart for another year and just let him develop 00:36:16.949 --> 00:36:19.409 again. He's got all the opportunity in the world 00:36:19.409 --> 00:36:22.769 to develop and learn from two veterans, one who 00:36:22.769 --> 00:36:26.030 is a former Super Bowl champion and one who Had 00:36:26.030 --> 00:36:28.230 both success at the college level and Jamis Winston 00:36:28.230 --> 00:36:31.329 as a Heisman Trophy winner and has had some success 00:36:31.329 --> 00:36:33.489 in the NFL though. It hasn't been a lot He's 00:36:33.489 --> 00:36:36.429 out. He has had some success and as a veteran 00:36:36.429 --> 00:36:38.449 in the league and has been around multiple different 00:36:38.449 --> 00:36:43.650 teams So I I think there's a great opportunity 00:36:43.650 --> 00:36:46.050 to learn from our past mistakes and I would love 00:36:46.050 --> 00:36:50.909 to see us do so and again save Jackson darts 00:36:50.909 --> 00:36:56.670 life from as you said and a brutal draw for a 00:36:56.670 --> 00:36:59.889 schedule. Dude, it is rough. And I get you guys 00:36:59.889 --> 00:37:02.349 have made some tweaks to the offensive line too, 00:37:02.750 --> 00:37:05.369 but he's inheriting an offensive line that gave 00:37:05.369 --> 00:37:08.090 up the sixth highest pressure rate last year 00:37:08.090 --> 00:37:10.809 and the fifth highest quick pressure rate last 00:37:10.809 --> 00:37:13.469 season to like the almost the complete opposite 00:37:13.469 --> 00:37:17.070 of your defense, right? It's a tough situation 00:37:17.070 --> 00:37:19.369 to put a rookie and then you add that schedule 00:37:19.369 --> 00:37:21.929 on top of it. I kind of agree with you. I think 00:37:21.929 --> 00:37:23.909 you just roll out the vets for as long as you 00:37:23.909 --> 00:37:26.750 can. And also keeping in mind, too, that at Ole 00:37:26.750 --> 00:37:30.449 Miss, Jackson Dart didn't really run a traditional 00:37:30.449 --> 00:37:34.469 pro style offense, right? You know, Lane Kiffin 00:37:34.469 --> 00:37:37.849 is highly creative head coach and a highly creative 00:37:37.849 --> 00:37:41.489 play caller. But we have seen Ole Miss. We have 00:37:41.489 --> 00:37:44.349 seen Ole Miss products before really struggled 00:37:44.349 --> 00:37:48.739 to adapt to NFL offenses. And Dayball runs. you 00:37:48.739 --> 00:37:51.960 know, despite his hotheadedness, one of the most 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:55.300 in structure type of offensive particular offenses, 00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:57.820 particularly in the passing game that you could 00:37:57.820 --> 00:38:00.380 imagine he loves these big guys. And he loves 00:38:00.380 --> 00:38:03.539 the ability to option the quarterback run. But 00:38:03.539 --> 00:38:05.900 that pass game is all about picking your spots 00:38:05.900 --> 00:38:07.920 downfield and pushing the ball and operating 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.219 in structure. And he starts going to have to 00:38:10.219 --> 00:38:13.199 acclimate to that for sure. But it is exciting, 00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:16.880 dude. I'm with you. I hope If you do see him, 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.019 it's not till the end of the season, even though 00:38:19.019 --> 00:38:21.340 I don't also love the idea of him like facing 00:38:21.340 --> 00:38:24.360 a blind Brian Flores led Minnesota defense either. 00:38:24.659 --> 00:38:27.000 But if you got to see it, dude, I agree with 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.280 you. The timing has to be at the end of the year. 00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.900 All right, before we get to the game real quick. 00:38:32.420 --> 00:38:35.199 I need your take on this. So the bills are being 00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:37.000 featured on Hard Knocks this season. I actually 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.239 had the chance to watch the first episode. I've 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:41.260 watched a lot of Hard Knocks in my time as a 00:38:41.260 --> 00:38:43.800 football fan, and this had to be the most wholesome 00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:46.619 episode of Hard Knocks I've ever seen in my life. 00:38:46.940 --> 00:38:49.880 Like a third of the episode is Trey White, and 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.059 they're following him to this ice cream shop 00:38:52.059 --> 00:38:54.400 in like Pittsburgh or something. And he's just 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:56.820 trying to get an ice cream sundae named after 00:38:56.820 --> 00:38:59.699 himself, which I believe he was successful in 00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:03.829 doing. I loved it. It was very Bill's Mafia coded 00:39:03.829 --> 00:39:06.630 and I absolutely loved it. But the connective 00:39:06.630 --> 00:39:08.909 tissue here is that your giants were on it last 00:39:08.909 --> 00:39:12.409 season. Very, I would say infamously for one 00:39:12.409 --> 00:39:15.130 interaction in particular, and this was the Joe 00:39:15.130 --> 00:39:18.909 Shane, Saquon Barkley debate and then ultimate 00:39:18.909 --> 00:39:21.710 phone call between Shane and Barkley where Shane 00:39:21.710 --> 00:39:23.650 tells them they're not going to make him a make 00:39:23.650 --> 00:39:27.710 him an offer, right? It has become memeable. 00:39:27.869 --> 00:39:30.849 It has been pointed to by a lot of football execs 00:39:30.849 --> 00:39:33.369 as why Hard Knocks is a bad thing to have in 00:39:33.369 --> 00:39:38.590 your camp. So I want to ask you this one. What 00:39:38.590 --> 00:39:41.309 was it like watching all that play out in real 00:39:41.309 --> 00:39:45.309 time on Hard Knocks and then to do you think 00:39:45.309 --> 00:39:48.130 the Buffalo Bills Hard Knocks season this year 00:39:48.130 --> 00:39:51.809 will give us anything as remotely memorable as 00:39:51.809 --> 00:39:55.090 that clip of the Shane Barkley debate? Yeah, 00:39:55.090 --> 00:39:58.900 so I can sum up watching. that series of events 00:39:58.900 --> 00:40:03.000 with one word, and that one word is pain. I'm 00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:08.440 so sorry. Yeah, so it wasn't fun. I still have 00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:10.880 a Saquon Barkley jersey sitting in my closet. 00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:13.539 That's so awesome. And every Sunday when I go 00:40:13.539 --> 00:40:17.860 to choose a jersey, I look at it, a small sigh 00:40:17.860 --> 00:40:21.440 comes out of me, and I move on to the next one. 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:26.869 But yeah, it was... Certainly not a fun situation 00:40:26.869 --> 00:40:34.110 to watch unfold. It was quite. Frustrating at 00:40:34.110 --> 00:40:39.030 the time you have this. Essentially golden egg 00:40:39.030 --> 00:40:41.289 at the running back position sitting there telling 00:40:41.289 --> 00:40:44.670 you he wants to be part of your team, not really 00:40:44.670 --> 00:40:47.190 pressing on the financial aspect. And again, 00:40:47.190 --> 00:40:51.349 he deserves every dollar he gets with his talent. 00:40:51.650 --> 00:40:56.579 And we're kind of like. We're fine. No, thanks. 00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:03.139 Do I think you guys will have as memorable of 00:41:03.139 --> 00:41:06.159 a moment? I'm not sure you could have as memorable 00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:09.219 of a moment, even if you tried. Again, that's 00:41:09.219 --> 00:41:13.260 probably the correct take. I think you guys have, 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.380 whether you believe so or not, have handled the 00:41:17.380 --> 00:41:20.260 James Cook situation a little bit better. Mind 00:41:20.260 --> 00:41:25.230 you, I haven't watched it as intently. But it 00:41:25.230 --> 00:41:28.610 seems you are in a much better situation that 00:41:28.610 --> 00:41:32.489 we were with Saquon Barkley. I think, you know, 00:41:32.710 --> 00:41:35.610 Bean has probably got this in the back of his 00:41:35.610 --> 00:41:38.929 mind, like Kayla. Let's not embarrass ourselves 00:41:38.929 --> 00:41:44.230 like they did last year and create this clip. 00:41:44.289 --> 00:41:46.570 Maybe I'll watch what I say to some of our star 00:41:46.570 --> 00:41:48.969 players who we might be in contract negotiations 00:41:48.969 --> 00:41:54.260 with. It's in touching on the hard knocks thing. 00:41:54.260 --> 00:41:58.380 It's it's super cool to watch the the bills this 00:41:58.380 --> 00:42:03.059 year I'm a big hard knocks fan myself. I I loved 00:42:03.059 --> 00:42:07.320 watching my my own team It last year as much 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.300 as like you had much in the exact show like this 00:42:09.300 --> 00:42:11.699 is why it's horrible for you know the league 00:42:11.699 --> 00:42:14.800 As a fan. I love it. I get to see all the behind 00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:18.420 -the -scenes stuff I hope you enjoy it, and I 00:42:18.420 --> 00:42:20.699 believe you'll enjoy it as much as I watched 00:42:20.699 --> 00:42:24.119 it. Hopefully, you don't have as many infuriating 00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:27.760 moments as I had, but I hope you enjoy it. I 00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:31.559 do enjoy watching it this year, mainly because 00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:33.480 they're at my alma mater and St. John Fisher 00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:38.699 University. Yo, shout out. Hey, now. That's a 00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:45.789 fun part for me. To circle back to kind of your 00:42:45.789 --> 00:42:47.489 question, no, I don't think you guys will have 00:42:47.489 --> 00:42:51.769 as memorable of a moment as Joe Shane did last 00:42:51.769 --> 00:42:55.670 year. Yeah, I agree. I think Bean and McDermott 00:42:55.670 --> 00:42:58.469 are going to be allergic to finding moments like 00:42:58.469 --> 00:43:01.269 that. I think we're supposed to get some of the 00:43:01.269 --> 00:43:04.010 James Cook hold in stuff on next week's episode, 00:43:04.110 --> 00:43:08.590 I assume. But I agree with you. I mean, I recorded 00:43:08.590 --> 00:43:11.389 a podcast earlier here at the start of the preseason. 00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:13.900 And I made the case for paying James Cook, I 00:43:13.900 --> 00:43:16.840 think, you know, and I would this is off script, 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:19.840 I would love your take on this. Because I've 00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.280 been maligned on the interwebs for this take. 00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.579 But you know, we brought in a guy like Josh Palmer, 00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:28.460 who is, you know, supposedly the separation expert 00:43:28.460 --> 00:43:30.539 at the wide receiver position and time will only 00:43:30.539 --> 00:43:33.760 tell. And I am told we can't pay James Cook $13 00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:36.460 million a year, because he's a running back, 00:43:36.460 --> 00:43:38.739 right. And there's only so few guys that are 00:43:38.739 --> 00:43:43.559 in that 13 to $15 million range. And he he doesn't 00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.019 qualify for that, because of the position he 00:43:46.019 --> 00:43:49.139 plays takeaway position. And I asked myself the 00:43:49.139 --> 00:43:51.519 question, who is more valuable to the Buffalo 00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:54.590 Bills? Is it James Cook? or is it Josh Palmer? 00:43:55.010 --> 00:43:57.250 To me, it's James Cook for everything he needs 00:43:57.250 --> 00:44:00.070 to this run scheme, for everything how he fits 00:44:00.070 --> 00:44:03.090 into the zone blocking alignments that Aaron 00:44:03.090 --> 00:44:06.570 Kromer wants to run. And to me, position aside, 00:44:07.130 --> 00:44:09.769 the guy who has the ability to have the most 00:44:09.769 --> 00:44:12.989 impact on the roster is a guy like James Cook. 00:44:13.030 --> 00:44:15.530 And I'd rather give him the $13 million a year, 00:44:15.610 --> 00:44:18.829 as opposed to like the third or fourth wide receiver 00:44:18.829 --> 00:44:21.750 from the LA Chargers bench. You know what I mean? 00:44:22.389 --> 00:44:25.760 Yeah. But like, I understand the positional value 00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:27.800 argument, like I've seen all the charts, I get 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.400 it, right? But when it just comes down to which 00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:33.099 dude is more valuable, I think back to that AFC 00:44:33.099 --> 00:44:35.980 Championship game, and the person who played 00:44:35.980 --> 00:44:39.280 his best game in that loss to Kansas City wasn't 00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:41.260 Josh Allen for as much as I love Josh. He came 00:44:41.260 --> 00:44:43.679 out super nervous at the beginning of that game. 00:44:45.139 --> 00:44:47.380 Wasn't anyone on the defense. Wasn't even Khalil 00:44:47.380 --> 00:44:51.679 Shakir. It was James Cook on 13 touches. two 00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:54.380 touchdowns shredding the Kansas City defense 00:44:54.380 --> 00:44:57.219 and keeping us in that game offensively. That's 00:44:57.219 --> 00:45:00.019 the dude I want to give $13 million to not a 00:45:00.019 --> 00:45:03.079 guy who is departing a team that is desperate 00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:05.860 for wide receivers, but also was happy to like 00:45:05.860 --> 00:45:07.599 say goodbye to him and let him leave the, you 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:10.840 know, walk out the door. But I am open to being 00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:13.320 wrong Logan. So tell me, am I wrong with that 00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:17.960 take on James Cook? No, I, I agree with you. 00:45:18.019 --> 00:45:21.469 Um, I felt the same way with Saquon Barkley last 00:45:21.469 --> 00:45:27.130 year. I can understand the argument with positional 00:45:27.130 --> 00:45:30.090 value. Obviously, everyone makes the argument 00:45:30.090 --> 00:45:34.090 where running backs don't last in the NFL. How 00:45:34.090 --> 00:45:36.409 long will that argument last? We have no idea. 00:45:37.230 --> 00:45:41.449 But like every position in the NFL, the minimum 00:45:41.449 --> 00:45:44.710 ask for new contracts is growing. I mean, for 00:45:44.710 --> 00:45:47.090 example, the wide receiver market right now. 00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:51.340 Some of these top guys are getting insane Contracts 00:45:51.340 --> 00:45:54.239 that a few years ago. We would have never thought 00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:57.199 would have been getting rolled out the quarterback 00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:01.460 markets always growing I Think the running back 00:46:01.460 --> 00:46:04.239 markets gonna grow too. Oh, you know in a couple 00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:08.920 years it I Think I think the value of a running 00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:14.019 back is going to change as Once teams and execs 00:46:14.019 --> 00:46:17.429 truly recognize how much it opens up an offense 00:46:17.429 --> 00:46:21.590 to have a good running back. And if you really 00:46:21.590 --> 00:46:26.090 build, I mean, not to beat a dead horse, but 00:46:26.090 --> 00:46:29.170 say Juan Barclay and the Eagles, great. And again, 00:46:29.170 --> 00:46:31.909 they have a phenomenal offensive line that really 00:46:31.909 --> 00:46:35.750 played to his success, but how much he opened 00:46:35.750 --> 00:46:39.469 up their offense. Teams had to load boxes against 00:46:39.469 --> 00:46:42.570 the Eagles because if they didn't, it was an 00:46:42.570 --> 00:46:45.980 easy 200 yard day for him. And that opened up 00:46:45.980 --> 00:46:49.460 now a top tier receiver and AJ Brown and another 00:46:49.460 --> 00:46:52.659 Very good receiver and Devontae Smith To take 00:46:52.659 --> 00:46:55.820 advantage of a weak secondary on teams because 00:46:55.820 --> 00:46:57.920 there was no one to shadow them over top They 00:46:57.920 --> 00:46:59.480 were one -on -one and all they had to do was 00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:04.820 beat their guy so so to your point if you have 00:47:04.820 --> 00:47:09.260 a guy like a James Cook who You know is proven 00:47:09.260 --> 00:47:11.719 to be valuable in many facets of your offense. 00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:17.170 Why not pay him? I mean What why why not he if 00:47:17.170 --> 00:47:20.170 he opens up your offense as much as he has and 00:47:20.170 --> 00:47:26.469 and brings But like you you can't You can't sit 00:47:26.469 --> 00:47:28.389 there and say while our offense is better without 00:47:28.389 --> 00:47:31.690 him And everything he opens up for our offense 00:47:31.690 --> 00:47:36.289 is gonna stay open once he's gone 100 % I doubt 00:47:36.289 --> 00:47:38.289 it. I doubt it happens. I mean, maybe it does 00:47:38.289 --> 00:47:40.570 who know who knows maybe Ray Davis can come in 00:47:40.570 --> 00:47:46.360 and be James Cook 2 .0 Yeah, maybe probably helpful, 00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:51.360 but you know Again, that's to me. That's me not 00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:54.280 knowing a lot about Ray Davis But still you have 00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:56.559 such a valuable guy who's done nothing but be 00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:00.820 successful for you in your offense Why why take 00:48:00.820 --> 00:48:03.480 the risk and now you know You're gonna run you 00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:05.599 might run into the same scenario in another four 00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.300 years with another running back get your guy 00:48:08.300 --> 00:48:11.119 Who's gonna be successful for you for another, 00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:15.360 you know? maybe five, six years. And then you 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:20.280 you of course have to reevaluate later on. Yes, 00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:24.460 I agree with you. And I think your take on the 00:48:24.460 --> 00:48:27.559 the ever evolving nature of positional value 00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.659 for running backs is it's at the forefront of 00:48:30.659 --> 00:48:33.179 my mind as we have this conversation. Like you 00:48:33.179 --> 00:48:37.000 guys paid Darius Slayton The money that Saquon 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.099 Barkley was asking for last season. You paid 00:48:40.099 --> 00:48:42.260 that to him this off season and no one batted 00:48:42.260 --> 00:48:45.519 an eye. But can anyone honestly say that Darius 00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:47.719 Slayton, for as solid as a wide receiver as he 00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:50.860 is, is more valuable to the Giants offense than 00:48:50.860 --> 00:48:53.280 Saquon Barkley was? I think the answer is universally 00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:56.699 no. You know, and you mentioned Barkley and how 00:48:56.699 --> 00:49:00.219 he unlocked Philly. I would add you a Derek Henry 00:49:00.219 --> 00:49:02.880 and how he unlocked Baltimore and Lamar Jackson 00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:07.130 as well. And these are two O -line factories, 00:49:07.550 --> 00:49:09.309 right? Baltimore and Philly, they seem to find 00:49:09.309 --> 00:49:12.409 great offensive linemen at every level of the 00:49:12.409 --> 00:49:14.730 draft, at every level of the scrap heap and free 00:49:14.730 --> 00:49:16.929 agency. They bring these guys into their system 00:49:16.929 --> 00:49:19.829 and they are almost immediately successful. Mackay 00:49:19.829 --> 00:49:22.590 Beckton resurrected his career in Philly last 00:49:22.590 --> 00:49:25.369 year after a disastrous turn with the Jets to 00:49:25.369 --> 00:49:28.900 start his career. The Buffalo Bills had a similar 00:49:28.900 --> 00:49:32.159 sort of O -line Academy under Cromer. And I think 00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:33.679 a lot of Bills mafia are like, well, you can 00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:35.760 plug and play anybody into that system and they'll 00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:39.159 be successful. And I would argue, no, that there 00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:42.420 has to be this, this meeting in the middle of 00:49:42.420 --> 00:49:44.900 traits and skills of the right wide receiver. 00:49:45.309 --> 00:49:48.150 and the scheme to in order to fully maximize 00:49:48.150 --> 00:49:51.329 it. And I feel like James Cook is the guy that 00:49:51.329 --> 00:49:53.650 can fully maximize it. I love Ray Davis, but 00:49:53.650 --> 00:49:56.289 he's a much different running back than James 00:49:56.289 --> 00:49:58.829 Cook is. And I don't think people understand 00:49:58.829 --> 00:50:01.409 how much that blocking scheme and Buffalo would 00:50:01.409 --> 00:50:03.989 have to change to accommodate a guy like Ray 00:50:03.989 --> 00:50:07.469 Davis, who is more of a north south runner. One 00:50:07.469 --> 00:50:10.889 cut, boom runs downhill. Whereas James Cook has 00:50:11.050 --> 00:50:14.909 S tier field vision. And he can buy time behind 00:50:14.909 --> 00:50:18.230 the line of scrimmage, find the right hole, the 00:50:18.230 --> 00:50:21.090 perfect hole, and then boom, he is through it 00:50:21.090 --> 00:50:23.130 with that elite level acceleration that he brings 00:50:23.130 --> 00:50:26.429 to the table. You can you find another guy like 00:50:26.429 --> 00:50:29.570 James Cook someday? Sure, right? I just don't 00:50:29.570 --> 00:50:31.409 think that person's on the roster right now. 00:50:31.409 --> 00:50:35.400 And I again, If I'm investing $13 million on 00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:37.599 somebody in the bill's current cap situation, 00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:40.519 I'd rather give it to the guy who has proven 00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:43.059 to be successful in the scheme. And oh, by the 00:50:43.059 --> 00:50:45.820 way, their most successful and the biggest moments 00:50:45.820 --> 00:50:48.380 that this team has faced, right? We oh my god, 00:50:48.460 --> 00:50:50.039 I could go on this forever. I can go on this 00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:52.539 forever. The bills are constantly like Brandon 00:50:52.539 --> 00:50:54.719 Bean, where are the stars? Why don't you draft 00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:57.659 stars? All you drafted was Josh, right? James 00:50:57.659 --> 00:51:00.539 Cook is probably a star in the system. And we're 00:51:00.539 --> 00:51:02.980 like, ah, but he's a running back, let him go. 00:51:03.019 --> 00:51:05.019 And let's see what this like fifth round pick 00:51:05.019 --> 00:51:07.059 out of Iowa State can do next year. I'm like, 00:51:07.059 --> 00:51:09.300 it just drives me crazy. Just pay, pay the man 00:51:09.300 --> 00:51:11.380 and stop giving money to Curtis Samuel, right? 00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:13.679 All right. Anyway, all we got a game to talk 00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:16.179 about. Let's talk about a game. All right. So 00:51:16.179 --> 00:51:17.440 you've already talked about what you want to 00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:19.880 see from Jackson Dart real quick here, Logan, 00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:22.039 because I want to see if I can get us an under 00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:26.059 an hour for the pod today. Give us some names 00:51:26.059 --> 00:51:28.840 that Buffalo Bills fans should keep an eye out 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.119 other than Jackson Dart and other than some of 00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:33.320 the more notable guys. Who are some dudes who 00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:35.260 you think we should be keeping an eye out for 00:51:35.260 --> 00:51:37.619 as the GMN take the field against the Bills this 00:51:37.619 --> 00:51:44.980 week? My first name to keep an eye out for is, 00:51:44.980 --> 00:51:51.059 I would say Jalen Hyatt. A guy who, you know, 00:51:51.420 --> 00:51:53.960 at a point in his young career where he almost 00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:59.780 has to resurrect his career. And it's wild to 00:51:59.780 --> 00:52:02.420 say that considering where we picked him up in 00:52:02.420 --> 00:52:06.159 the draft. But this is a guy who has to prove 00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:11.599 he belongs still on this roster. I think it'll 00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:15.800 be interesting to see what he does and and kind 00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:19.960 of the the route tree they have him run And a 00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.519 new what I think is gonna be a new kind of offense 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:26.639 given the pieces we have now You know, he came 00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:28.500 out of college being that deep threat guy and 00:52:28.500 --> 00:52:31.400 we never really utilized him as such and he's 00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:34.099 playing at a heavier weight this year by about 00:52:34.099 --> 00:52:37.940 15 20 pounds Is he still that guy that we expect 00:52:37.940 --> 00:52:40.860 to go down the field and and just burn past everyone? 00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:44.679 Is he gonna be a more technical guy with his 00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:48.460 routes? That's that's someone who I'm definitely 00:52:48.460 --> 00:52:51.539 Keeping an eye out for and I I think you know, 00:52:51.739 --> 00:52:54.019 that's someone bills fans should keep an eye 00:52:54.019 --> 00:52:59.000 out for especially, you know You know, I I know 00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:01.400 the secondary is a touch point we've talked about 00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:04.280 with with your bills for for quite some time 00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:08.789 and You know, it's it'll be interesting to see 00:53:08.789 --> 00:53:11.469 Who Jalen Hayek gets matched up against on the 00:53:11.469 --> 00:53:13.769 Bills? I don't expect it to be a tradavious white 00:53:13.769 --> 00:53:18.269 or anyone like that, but still I still Look to 00:53:18.269 --> 00:53:21.329 to see him take some strides in this first game 00:53:21.329 --> 00:53:27.869 and show he belongs Another guy who I doubt many 00:53:27.869 --> 00:53:32.210 people know of is Dante Miller one of our running 00:53:32.210 --> 00:53:38.820 backs He is a guy who he goes by turbo for his 00:53:38.820 --> 00:53:41.480 explosiveness Such a good nickname for running 00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:46.119 back. Yeah turbo Miller is his nickname I think 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:48.500 he's a guy who it'll be interesting to watch 00:53:48.500 --> 00:53:51.320 and Buffalo's to keep an eye out for for his 00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:56.559 pure explosiveness as he tries to Prove that 00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:59.440 he belongs and potentially take a third string 00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:02.440 roll away from a veteran like Devin Singletary 00:54:03.150 --> 00:54:07.369 I think he can provide some depth explosiveness, 00:54:07.670 --> 00:54:10.489 especially given Camp's cataboo is currently 00:54:10.489 --> 00:54:13.730 battling a hamstring injury. So it'll be interesting 00:54:13.730 --> 00:54:17.769 to see what he does as he tries to prove that 00:54:17.769 --> 00:54:21.389 he belongs on the Giants. My third and final 00:54:21.389 --> 00:54:26.190 guy is a guy that most football fans probably 00:54:26.190 --> 00:54:30.650 know, especially in the Giants nation, Evan Neil. 00:54:31.469 --> 00:54:36.090 I am very curious to see how he performs on the 00:54:36.090 --> 00:54:41.230 inside as he makes this shift. Especially as 00:54:41.230 --> 00:54:46.489 you notated a Bills D -line who is looking to 00:54:46.489 --> 00:54:49.110 find their identity and that's something I'm 00:54:49.110 --> 00:54:51.269 kind of watching out for too is how our offensive 00:54:51.269 --> 00:54:55.750 line looks against a team who obviously has some 00:54:55.750 --> 00:55:00.329 guys in the front who can make plays and might 00:55:00.329 --> 00:55:03.119 be our Put some new schemes and stuff like that. 00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:04.900 So I'm, I'm very curious to see how I have a 00:55:04.900 --> 00:55:08.539 new place. Does he make that shift smooth? Um, 00:55:08.579 --> 00:55:11.460 and does it look right for him? Um, because he's 00:55:11.460 --> 00:55:13.780 another guy, he doesn't perform on the inside. 00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:17.880 He might be, he might be a, a cut victim. So, 00:55:17.940 --> 00:55:21.380 um, those are kind of three guys that I've, I'm 00:55:21.380 --> 00:55:23.059 kind of keeping an eye out for as they kind of 00:55:23.059 --> 00:55:25.860 try to prove themselves, um, for the giants. 00:55:26.300 --> 00:55:29.199 Love it, man. We have this segment here that 00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:31.610 we call prediction sure to go wrong. It's where 00:55:31.610 --> 00:55:34.250 me and JJ will make a bunch of game time predictions 00:55:34.250 --> 00:55:37.070 and stuff like that for whatever the bills are 00:55:37.070 --> 00:55:40.650 facing in the week ahead. So give us your prediction 00:55:40.650 --> 00:55:43.469 sure to go wrong here for the G men this weekend 00:55:43.469 --> 00:55:46.989 on Saturday. What do you think is going to be 00:55:46.989 --> 00:55:51.719 the final score for this game? Final score. I 00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:53.900 know it's a preseason game, right? The over -under 00:55:53.900 --> 00:55:55.880 I think is like two and a half in favor of the 00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:57.900 Bills because it's at home Like none of these 00:55:57.900 --> 00:56:00.039 lines matter if you're betting preseason football 00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:02.500 lines, please seek help to all the listeners 00:56:02.500 --> 00:56:06.519 out there. Yeah Yeah, I fully agree if you're 00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:09.139 bad and I probably got some good buddies that 00:56:09.139 --> 00:56:11.980 are that are probably bad preseason football 00:56:11.980 --> 00:56:14.500 I say this and I may or may not have a four -leg 00:56:14.500 --> 00:56:22.619 parlay on this game My score prediction, I honestly, 00:56:22.940 --> 00:56:27.420 truthfully, I think it'll be like a 28 -21 game. 00:56:27.500 --> 00:56:29.199 I think we see some points put on the board. 00:56:29.500 --> 00:56:33.800 I think I'm going to go in favor of my Giants. 00:56:33.940 --> 00:56:36.739 I have to, 28 -21 Giants, but I think we'll see 00:56:36.739 --> 00:56:41.460 some points put on the board. I think it'll be 00:56:41.460 --> 00:56:43.579 a good game. I think it'll be definitely an eye 00:56:43.579 --> 00:56:46.829 -opening game and I'm excited for it. Nice. I'm 00:56:46.829 --> 00:56:48.710 gonna give you a prop bet here too, because this 00:56:48.710 --> 00:56:51.030 is also a signature of the show. So I'm gonna 00:56:51.030 --> 00:56:56.889 give you over under one and a half TDs for Jackson 00:56:56.889 --> 00:57:03.090 Dart and his first pro action. I'm hitting the 00:57:03.090 --> 00:57:06.820 over. Yo, all right, I mean listen our secondary 00:57:06.820 --> 00:57:09.920 is beat up but come on man I'm heading over and 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:12.820 no shade at the bill secondary, but I'm hitting 00:57:12.820 --> 00:57:15.219 over I think one of them's gonna be a deep ball 00:57:15.219 --> 00:57:17.019 and I think he another one's just gonna be a 00:57:17.019 --> 00:57:19.239 good driving leads down and and gets another 00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:23.420 touchdown so I'm gonna hit over Very nice. I 00:57:23.420 --> 00:57:25.099 will definitely make sure to bring this up in 00:57:25.099 --> 00:57:27.900 the post game when I when I recap this game All 00:57:27.900 --> 00:57:29.360 right, man, I'm gonna get you out of here on 00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:32.900 this. You are an avid fantasy football junkie, 00:57:33.019 --> 00:57:35.460 right? Me and JJ, we like to recklessly gamble, 00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:37.940 you like to play fantasy football, and I respect 00:57:37.940 --> 00:57:42.719 your discipline way more than ours. You are in... 00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.159 I want to talk about players, right? But before 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:49.199 we do that, I am fascinated by the fantasy league 00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:51.579 that you're in, because you're in one of this 00:57:51.579 --> 00:57:54.039 like long running, very competitive league with 00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:57.949 some of your bunnies. And you guys have... Maybe 00:57:57.949 --> 00:58:01.329 the most creative loser bets I've ever heard 00:58:01.329 --> 00:58:05.210 of before So I need a sneak peek and I think 00:58:05.210 --> 00:58:08.030 our listeners would love this as well What are 00:58:08.030 --> 00:58:10.929 some of the what are some of the things you guys 00:58:10.929 --> 00:58:13.869 are? Contemplating this year in your league to 00:58:13.869 --> 00:58:18.909 make the losers of your league do yeah, so I 00:58:18.909 --> 00:58:21.349 Love the punishment thing we've put into our 00:58:21.349 --> 00:58:24.550 league. It's a phenomenal twist so incredible 00:58:25.019 --> 00:58:28.679 A couple this year. Now these are ones that have 00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:31.719 not been chosen in the past and I think they'll 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:36.239 make a return in the pool of punishments. The 00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:41.139 first one being a raft made of milk cartons where 00:58:41.139 --> 00:58:44.639 you will then have to use that raft to cross 00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:47.840 Delta Lake here in Rome, New York. Oh my god. 00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:53.059 And the milk I've been told will have to be consumed 00:58:53.059 --> 00:58:56.460 by the one will that is building the raft will 00:58:56.460 --> 00:59:00.139 hold true or not. I'm not sure that That is not 00:59:00.139 --> 00:59:02.260 my punishment, but that is when I have heard 00:59:02.260 --> 00:59:06.019 will make a return most likely. Oh my god It's 00:59:06.019 --> 00:59:09.840 so good. The second one is to sign up and do 00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:12.719 a one -minute stand -up comedy set unprepared 00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:18.239 prior to I really wish we weren't audio only 00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:21.920 I'm like tearing up with fresh off the mind Comedy 00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:25.340 set one minute at a comedy club that you can 00:59:25.340 --> 00:59:29.920 possibly get into to do a one minute set Just 00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:33.179 one minute open mic. Oh my god The third one 00:59:33.179 --> 00:59:36.820 that I've been told may make a return is to recreate 00:59:36.820 --> 00:59:40.630 the Darren Waller music video Now, as many football 00:59:40.630 --> 00:59:43.309 fans know, Darren Waller left the game of football 00:59:43.309 --> 00:59:46.809 to become a rapper. It was unsuccessful. A large 00:59:46.809 --> 00:59:48.889 meme that came from that was his music video. 00:59:49.610 --> 00:59:52.650 That was one that was one that was brought up 00:59:52.650 --> 00:59:57.550 in a return. The final one and is the one that 00:59:57.550 --> 01:00:00.650 I have chosen to bring back this year that was 01:00:00.650 --> 01:00:03.469 unfortunately not selected last year, as you 01:00:03.469 --> 01:00:07.769 must take a blow up doll on a date to a restaurant. 01:00:08.929 --> 01:00:13.170 Now I am praying this gets chosen I will personally 01:00:13.170 --> 01:00:16.070 be attending the restaurant of the loser when 01:00:16.070 --> 01:00:19.190 they go if my gets chosen So those are just a 01:00:19.190 --> 01:00:21.530 few that I that I'm pretty sure will make a return 01:00:21.530 --> 01:00:26.730 this year It's always fun. It is always a thrill 01:00:26.730 --> 01:00:30.369 at the end of the year When you have they get 01:00:30.369 --> 01:00:32.789 you the guys that are battling to not finish 01:00:32.789 --> 01:00:34.469 last because they don't want to suffer through 01:00:34.469 --> 01:00:39.809 this so Oh my god, I have so much respect for 01:00:39.809 --> 01:00:42.969 you right now. These are all these are all absolutely 01:00:42.969 --> 01:00:45.809 incredible, Logan. Absolutely incredible. All 01:00:45.809 --> 01:00:48.670 right. Let's talk real quick about some of your 01:00:48.670 --> 01:00:50.929 top picks, right? Yeah, give me give me like 01:00:50.929 --> 01:00:52.989 two or three guys you think are going to be sneaky 01:00:52.989 --> 01:00:54.809 good picks this year and then guys you think 01:00:54.809 --> 01:00:58.530 we should stay away from. Yeah, so so a first 01:00:58.530 --> 01:01:02.849 guy that I think could be a sneaky good pick 01:01:02.849 --> 01:01:07.239 this year and it's going to be a giant is Wanda 01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:10.739 Robinson Really? Oh good talk. Yeah, talk to 01:01:10.739 --> 01:01:13.360 me about this. Oh So we saw what the Steelers 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:15.380 and this is more so about Russell Wilson, you 01:01:15.380 --> 01:01:20.079 know Russell Wilson to the surprise of I think 01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:22.880 some Steelers fans, especially ones that I know 01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:25.599 Didn't feed George Pickens as much as you think 01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:28.079 he would be in your star receiver. He fed some 01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:32.000 of the guys around him I think Wanda Robinson 01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:37.539 has proven to be a Good slot receiver and I think 01:01:37.539 --> 01:01:40.940 he could possibly be a viable flex option If 01:01:40.940 --> 01:01:43.159 Russell Wilson takes that same route as far as 01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:44.880 you know, maybe he doesn't feed Malik neighbors 01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:47.760 as much As people might think and he's feeding 01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:49.739 some guys around him and I think Wanda Robinson 01:01:49.739 --> 01:01:52.980 can can be that guy and produce and give you 01:01:52.980 --> 01:01:58.500 some You know 10 -point flex weeks For your fantasy 01:01:58.500 --> 01:02:01.980 team, so he's he's a guy who who I'm I definitely 01:02:01.980 --> 01:02:09.099 think could be a sneaky back and draft guy Um, 01:02:09.099 --> 01:02:14.420 another pick for me, um, I have multiple in my 01:02:14.420 --> 01:02:17.599 head, so I'm trying to go through that Rolodex. 01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:21.139 I'm trying, I'm trying to just choose one. Um, 01:02:21.659 --> 01:02:24.960 uh, I think another good one for me who I think 01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:26.820 some people should keep an eye on. I think he's 01:02:26.820 --> 01:02:29.679 kind of gone by the wayside given his counterpart 01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:36.059 is Dave in Montgomery. Um, yeah. I understand 01:02:36.059 --> 01:02:38.380 the injury worries with David Montgomery, especially 01:02:38.380 --> 01:02:40.619 the back half of the year. But prior to his injury, 01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:44.119 I mean, David Montgomery and Jameer Gibbs were 01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:49.960 hand in hand in fantasy production. I think people 01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:53.719 are counting him out sooner than he should be. 01:02:55.739 --> 01:02:58.900 I don't know how much the Lions are really going 01:02:58.900 --> 01:03:03.099 to feed Jameer Gibbs if they don't have to. Do 01:03:03.099 --> 01:03:05.360 they go back to what they had when they had a 01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.099 healthy Dave in Montgomery? And you know, maybe 01:03:07.099 --> 01:03:09.260 Jameer Gibbs gets to starting not every game 01:03:09.260 --> 01:03:12.139 and Dave in Montgomery is the second string guy 01:03:12.139 --> 01:03:15.039 But does Dave Montgomery take a lot of touchdowns 01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:17.579 from Jameer Gibbs? Does he take that red zone 01:03:17.579 --> 01:03:21.059 work? I think that's definitely something to 01:03:21.059 --> 01:03:28.320 look out for And then Let's see my my third and 01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:34.760 my final one Go on to my Rolodex again, so I 01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:40.239 take it down You know, I'm gonna I'll pick a 01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:42.059 different position I'll go with tight end here. 01:03:42.579 --> 01:03:47.199 Um I'm gonna take Travis Kelsey And it's it's 01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:49.820 surprising to even me to say that Travis Kelsey 01:03:49.820 --> 01:03:52.780 is like a sneaky option for fantasy But I think 01:03:52.780 --> 01:03:54.539 last year there were a lot of fantasy players 01:03:54.539 --> 01:03:56.760 who are incredibly disappointed with Travis Kelsey 01:03:56.760 --> 01:03:59.360 and his production rightfully So he had some 01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:03.110 drop problems He was not the fantasy tight end 01:04:03.110 --> 01:04:08.269 people thought he was going to be. And I understand 01:04:08.269 --> 01:04:11.090 the age worries, but Travis Kelsey is Travis 01:04:11.090 --> 01:04:13.190 Kelsey. He's arguably one of the best tight ends 01:04:13.190 --> 01:04:15.969 to ever play the game for a reason. I think he 01:04:15.969 --> 01:04:20.309 could have a bounce back year. I think when the 01:04:20.309 --> 01:04:23.130 Chiefs get their full receiving corps and all 01:04:23.130 --> 01:04:25.269 the weapons that they now have at their receiving 01:04:25.269 --> 01:04:28.949 corps with Rashid Rice, Xavier Worthy. They still 01:04:28.949 --> 01:04:33.690 have Pacheco and Kareem Hunt. Do we see Kelsey 01:04:33.690 --> 01:04:37.090 come back and kind of remake a name for himself 01:04:37.090 --> 01:04:39.570 in the fantasy light and put up those old numbers 01:04:39.570 --> 01:04:41.929 he did because now teams have more to worry about 01:04:41.929 --> 01:04:45.849 than just Travis Kelsey. So those are kind of 01:04:45.849 --> 01:04:47.849 my three people to look out for, kind of guys 01:04:47.849 --> 01:04:51.940 that go under the wayside. You know some some 01:04:51.940 --> 01:04:53.800 later some guys that I think will follow later 01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:56.599 rounds this year I think would definitely keep 01:04:56.599 --> 01:04:59.619 your eye on and definitely consider For your 01:04:59.619 --> 01:05:02.760 fantasy team this year Nice very cool, dude. 01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:05.760 I appreciate that and listen Logan I appreciate 01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:07.880 you taking the time to chat with us today. Of 01:05:07.880 --> 01:05:10.309 course. It was a pleasure Great having you on, 01:05:10.489 --> 01:05:12.829 man. Hopefully we'll get you back on soon. For 01:05:12.829 --> 01:05:15.289 all of you listening at home, like, share and 01:05:15.289 --> 01:05:17.590 subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. 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