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Welcome back to the Buffalo Bread Podcast. This

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is our Friends of the Pod annual extravaganza

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where we talk to all of our buddies who have

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allegiances to different AFC's teams and tonight

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we're finishing the cycle with Jared and his

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JETS JETS JETS JETS. Yay. Jared, why don't you

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kick us off and for anybody who's new to the

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podcast. Um, in this space and, and, and, you

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know, across all kinds of listening platforms,

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um, how, how did your Jets fandom begin? Where

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did you, you know, where did you jump on, um,

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the Jets bandwagon and, and, and talk, walk us

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through it? Yeah. So my parents are originally

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from the suburbs of Washington, DC. So when we

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moved as a family of Jewish people to Long Island,

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New York, the only rule that was really in place

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were you can't be Giants fans. Okay, um, so I

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thought the Jets were cool and then When I was

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a kid the Jets seemed to like and it's funny

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because this is still their MO, you know 35 years

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later They were never good, but they always had

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really cool players with incredible upside that

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were fun to follow so like you know the New York

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SAC exchange begets the Bill Parcells era and

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you know the the career resurgence of Vinnie

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Testaverde and Wayne Krabett and Keyshawn Johnson

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and Curtis Martin and how much fun that was to

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follow. And then, you know, the sticking point

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for the Jets was always great running game, great

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scheming, great defense, which, you know, as

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my love of sports kind of evolved in any sport

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that I was into, it was similar to the Jets philosophy,

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even if it wasn't football. So that was where

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it started. And then, you know, then something

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went terribly wrong in the 2000s. And we haven't

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really gotten back yet. Yeah, that's true. Oh,

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my God. That's amazing. As a child at the peak

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of Vinnie Testaverde's power, I always just thought

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of him as like the ex -athlete uncle. Like, that's

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just what he looked like, right? Like, he was

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always like your Italian uncle who, like, you

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know, used to play college ball. Like, that's

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what he just lives that. Absolutely. It's so

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funny you just said that because what Vinnie

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Testaverde taught me, and I do not mean this

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as a backhanded compliment, I mean this sincerely,

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and we're learning this to Harvey right now with

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Aaron Rodgers, you do not need an all -universe

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quarterback to be a very successful professional

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football franchise. You can run the ball well,

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you can make good decisions, you can be a game

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manager, you can have good defense. I'm very

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into that. Well, especially in that era of Jets

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football, too. I mean, not just Testa Verde,

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but you guys had you guys had come through there

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like Chad Pennington, too, right? I mean, perfect

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example of that kind of stuff. So, yeah. Oh,

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God, your your love of the Jets and your knowledge

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of the Jets runs so deep, Jared. And for those

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of you who have never listened to a Jared featuring

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podcast, we're about to get what can only be

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described as like, the greatest therapy couch

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session of all time. That is what is about to

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happen. Buckle up, everybody, because it's about

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to get real. All right. So, Jared, let's just

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hop right in, man, because I know you're already

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warmed up. I know you're raring to go on this.

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Let's start before we hop into the now. And the

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now that we're in is we're about four days or

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so into the free agency period. The league year

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officially started yesterday. The Jets have already

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made some moves for 2025. But before we go there,

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Let's look back a little bit on 2024. And I got

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to give you props, because in all of our off

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-season pods last year, you kind of called this

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perfect. I called every moment of this. Did I

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not? I mean, this team flows through your veins,

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and you just knew on a cosmic level what was

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going to happen last season, and you nailed it.

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The solid firing, the Douglas Turmoil unfiring,

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Aaron Rodgers absolutely tanking. We brought

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you in mid -season at one point. just to kind

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of talk about what we were seeing from the Jets,

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but I think the most surprising part for me was

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the decline of the defense. And I understand

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that Salah had his fingerprints all over that,

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but I didn't think I was prepared for the decline

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that happened so quickly when Ulbricht took over,

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because even though now he had those CEO head

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coach responsibilities, there was still loads

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of talent on that squad. And based on that alone,

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they were a tough matchup for a lot of teams

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week in and week out. But it just didn't seem

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like they had the want to or they had the juice.

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And as a result, it was a very disappointing

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division finish. You guys finished 0 -2 against

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the Bills last season. After many predicted you

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guys would actually win the division. So Jared,

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overall, what were your thoughts on the 2024

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season? Some positives maybe, but then, you know,

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definitely some negatives too. I think... Uh,

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it's, it's really, really important for, I think

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the average, and I'm putting this in air quotes,

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like the average fan of sports to remember how

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important the actual locker room culture of a

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franchise is to the success of a franchise. And

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without getting too inside baseball, I will say

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this because at least you two know about this.

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I coached college basketball for 15 years. Whenever

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I'm clear to do so again, I hope I can get right

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back into that fray. The most disappointing year

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of my professional career was the year my team

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was picked to have the best finish preseason.

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And what I learned was that I, at that age as

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a coach, and some of my players, as young leaders,

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were not prepared to carry the weight of being

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everybody else's target. And even if your team

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was in turmoil, and even if your locker room

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was struggling, everyone else that played you

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wanted to haste you up and down the court because

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of all this attention, good or bad, that you

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were getting and taking away from them. So the

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Jets to me had a lot of really good learning

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experiences that even though I'm not truly looking

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forward to this year, I can already tell even

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early in the off season, they're learning, which

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is all you can ask for. But the things they are

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learning is you do not win football games in

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the media room. You do not win football games

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at press conferences, and you do not win football

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games by making bold proclamations about promises

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that you cannot keep. So, you know, the thing

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that really stands out to me is two weeks ago

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when the anonymous, excuse me, anonymous polling

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of the players comes out and the Jets get voted

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the worst franchise in the NFL, even internally

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in terms of their operations. That to me, more

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than any actual you know, workout component,

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scheming component, anything is why the Jets

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regress defensively. That culture was toxic.

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I think the vibe in the locker room was, we're

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not as good as we think we are. We got real problems

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that we need to sort out. You're watching the

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franchise implode in front of you. And I think

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the person in the craziest way ever, the person

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who comes out of this looking the best, weirdly,

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is Robert Sala. He goes... Right back to being

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a defensive coordinator. He gets hired mid -season

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by a new team. So, like, the immediate feedback

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was like, no, you know what you're doing. You

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come with us. He goes to Green Bay in an Aaron

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Rodgers, like, troll move as a consultant. And

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now he's back, I think, at a place that really

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loves him in San Francisco. Like, the players,

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yeah, they love him there. The day the off -season

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started. Yes. They love him there. I was talking

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to somebody I know who's a die -hard 49ers fan.

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He was elated. He was like, I'm so happy Salah's

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back. The defense is going to be back to the

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mid -2015s when it absolutely lights out under

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Salah. That defense, and it was so clear, they've

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been trying to replace Salah as a coordinator

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ever since he left. I think Shanahan's gone through

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three or four different coordinators on the time

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Salah's been gone. And that defense just lost

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their identity when he left. So he's back. I

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think he's in a much better situation right now.

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But Jared, hopefully your Jets for the 2025 season

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are going to be in a much better situation, too.

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You guys do have some resources to work with.

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You got some draft capital and you've already

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made some free agent moves, too. JJ, why don't

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you set up the 2025 season for our good friend

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Jared here so we can let him cook a little bit.

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Oh, boy. Yes, so. You have $37 million in cap

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space, eight total draft picks, including three

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in the top 100. And we need from you, after considering

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that, your top three priorities for 2025. So

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the very first priority, I want to actually echo

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NewJet's DM, Darren Moohy, who says on the day

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that he and Aaron Glenn are introduced, our priorities

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are to draft well, trade up for talent that we

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really want if we think we need to develop young

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talent and keep them here. We are not going to

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be like the thing you need to know about us is

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we are not going to be a we're going to make

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free agent splashes right now. That's not where

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we are as a franchise. So priority number one

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for me is do that. You know, Dan and I had already

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spoken that this is not a skill position heavy

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draft. once you get out of three or four names

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in the first round that probably aren't going

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to fall the number seven anyway. And I think

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between signing Justin Fields, which we'll talk

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more about in a moment, and committing to some

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what I'll call B -level defensive free agents

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that are young and maybe looking for an opportunity

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to grow and develop in a new system, I think

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you've already made your messaging pretty clear.

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We're punting on key skill positions. We're going

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to draft defense. We're going to draft key offensive

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line positions, and we're going to develop what

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we have. So that's thing number one for me. Thing

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number two for me is I think Aaron Glenn is the

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perfect candidate for the Jets right now. Not

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only is he truly one of the best football players

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in the history of that franchise, multi -time

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pro bowler, all decade team member, and a great

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defensive back, who will be mentoring a group

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that desperately needs that mentorship, right?

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He also is coming from, in my opinion, the best

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coached, that doesn't mean the best team, but

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the best coached franchise in the NFL. Incredibly

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innovative offense, hard nose, high risk, high

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reward defense, but more importantly, as I was

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mentioning earlier to you, Dan, a franchise that

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over the last five years has developed an ethos

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of leadership and buy -in amongst the locker

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room. Right? So key number two is Aaron Glenn

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is going to try his damnedest to make the Jets

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a, you know, New York conversion of the Detroit

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Lions. And now that brings me to part three.

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Take what you have and let those pieces cook.

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And I think the signing of Justin Fields is Outstanding,

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outstanding, outstanding, outstanding. A, you

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take all the pressure off yourself from drafting

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Kam Ward or Shador Sanders. And I don't think

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either of them are actually going to be sustainably

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good. I do not like either of their upside. Part

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two of that is you immediately go out and you

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secure Justin Fields' center from college. I'm

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drawing a blank on his name right now. I want

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to look really quick. Josh Myers from the Green

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Bay Packers. Then you reunite him with his favorite

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target in college, Garrett Wilson. And Garrett

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Wilson, who basically says to the executives,

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I need you to give me the ball twice as much

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as you did last season. The immediate offseason

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response is, cool, got you. Here's your dude.

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He'll give you the ball as much as you want.

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And finally, the last thing that the Detroit

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Lions had on the offensive side of the ball.

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a two -headed running back attack that played

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selflessly, did not care about one another's

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metrics and touches, and, in my opinion, could

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have made a Super Bowl run had one of them not

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gotten hurt. And now we're looking at Reese Hall,

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who's already proven that he could be a guy,

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and Braylon Allen, who, in my opinion, was the

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brightest spot in a dark year for the Jets last

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year. So... You have a lot of pieces there if

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the ethos is and this is clearly the messaging

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Like I'm not I don't like last year when I told

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you the Jets were gonna suck I think it was a

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bit more surprising right this year. It's pretty

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clear already Right. This is not the Super Bowl

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year, right? So if it's not gonna be the year

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let these pieces cook and see who's actually

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gonna be most worth developing in the long run

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because you know quickly bringing back that fandom

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in the 90s, JJ. What if Justin Fields is the

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next, like, lost veteran who comes in and just

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becomes this, like, I only need to pass 25 times

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a game, but I can use my wheels and I can make

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plays happen and I can manage. And I truly can

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see that in this year's team. It's great points,

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and I think that you're right. We can know from

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being NFL fans that I can't think of a team that

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bought its way to a championship. I can think

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of teams who traded and bartered their way to

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a championship by selling away their future.

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The Rams a couple of years ago come to mind.

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Exactly the Rams. That's the exact team I was

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thinking of. But for the most part, the only

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way to build a championship roster is to literally

00:14:19.779 --> 00:14:23.039
draft, develop, and resign. That's it. We know

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that for decades now. You have to get the QB

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and then you have to draft and develop and resign.

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You cannot buy yourself through free agency because

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it's just the free agent. system is built for

00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:39.159
players to get their giant payday, and it's not

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an unreasonable thing to see that after people

00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:44.279
are making, you know, hundreds of millions of

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dollars, the desire kind of falls out of some

00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:50.639
guys. It takes a special character to still put

00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:54.080
in the incredible hours once you know your generational

00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:57.799
wealth is secured. And so I have a couple of

00:14:57.799 --> 00:14:59.340
re -signings to ask you about, Jared, because

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I'm not as familiar with these players. One aside,

00:15:03.009 --> 00:15:05.370
Braylon Allen was my, like, draft crush running

00:15:05.370 --> 00:15:09.169
back last year. I wanted so badly for the Bills

00:15:09.169 --> 00:15:11.929
to get him, because just the way he churns up

00:15:11.929 --> 00:15:15.389
yards, he's like a bigger, better -built Isaiah

00:15:15.389 --> 00:15:19.070
Pacheco before Isaiah Pacheco got hurt. And he

00:15:19.070 --> 00:15:22.070
punishes the ground for daring to be in front

00:15:22.070 --> 00:15:23.850
of him, and I just love that about the way he

00:15:23.850 --> 00:15:25.870
runs. Don't you just love big -legged running

00:15:25.870 --> 00:15:28.169
backs like that that just run angry? Thick tanks,

00:15:28.429 --> 00:15:31.980
absolutely. But anyway. Aside from that, the

00:15:31.980 --> 00:15:34.879
team re -signed Jamie and Sherwood to a big deal.

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This is one of their biggest, apart from Justin

00:15:37.460 --> 00:15:40.159
Fields and Brandon Stevens, we'll talk about

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in a moment. One of their biggest deals, they

00:15:42.259 --> 00:15:43.720
re -signed Jamie and Sherwood. Tell me about

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that player. Do you think that's a good investment?

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He's the QB of the defense. I think that what

00:15:49.580 --> 00:15:53.019
people thought Mosley was for them, Sherwood

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is. And again, history, right? When I think about

00:16:01.490 --> 00:16:04.570
the two franchises in the NFL that cannot escape

00:16:04.570 --> 00:16:06.590
their fates, I think of the Chicago Bears and

00:16:06.590 --> 00:16:10.070
the New York Jets. And whereas the Chicago Bears

00:16:10.070 --> 00:16:11.909
kind of were like, we've never done it with offensive

00:16:11.909 --> 00:16:13.370
skill positions. We got to do it a different

00:16:13.370 --> 00:16:17.289
way. What do the Jets always, always, always

00:16:17.289 --> 00:16:20.850
have? They always have crazy middle or off -ball

00:16:20.850 --> 00:16:23.250
linebacker that quarterbacks the defense, whether

00:16:23.250 --> 00:16:25.629
it was the David Harris or Bart Scott regime,

00:16:25.809 --> 00:16:28.009
whether it was Brian Cox, the generation before

00:16:28.009 --> 00:16:32.000
that. they always have someone facilitating the

00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.799
defense that is that, to your point, JJ, the

00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:36.659
spiritual, emotional leader where you can give

00:16:36.659 --> 00:16:38.039
them all the money in the world and they still

00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:40.659
just want to go out and be a dominant defense.

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Given how little room they really have to cook

00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.679
because of what they did to themselves trying

00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:50.200
to be, we're going to buy everybody to win the

00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:52.820
Super Bowl, I think they're doing the correct

00:16:52.820 --> 00:16:55.519
thing with that signing, which is, again, going

00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:58.419
back to the new GM's ethos, This is a guy we

00:16:58.419 --> 00:17:01.580
want to retain that will help us develop. And

00:17:01.580 --> 00:17:04.559
if that results, like if, if that's the only

00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:08.059
key thing you can do. Right. And you can't do

00:17:08.059 --> 00:17:10.019
anything else because you want to sure up. Maybe

00:17:10.019 --> 00:17:11.900
sauce Gardner has a better year rebounds. You

00:17:11.900 --> 00:17:13.539
want to give him a better contract next season.

00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:15.740
Same with Garrett Wilson. Same with any of these

00:17:15.740 --> 00:17:18.000
other young players coming into contract years.

00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:21.660
I'd rather make the savings now in year one of

00:17:21.660 --> 00:17:24.460
a throwaway year. Sure. No, that makes sense.

00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:26.559
And. The earlier you sign a player, the cheaper

00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:28.380
it's gonna be, no matter what, always, right?

00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:30.319
Didn't get the market an opportunity to speak.

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Exactly, and then Jauman Davis on the edge. Tell

00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:38.099
me about this guy. I'm less enthused, but I get

00:17:38.099 --> 00:17:40.839
it. So this is now where we get to the point

00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:43.519
where I don't have the exact figure, but I know

00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:46.279
it's less than $400 ,000. So the Jets are rolling

00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:49.220
over the lowest amount of cap availability in

00:17:49.220 --> 00:17:51.519
all of football from last season to this season.

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So not only do you have to clean up this really

00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:58.420
like generational mess that you've made. But

00:17:58.420 --> 00:18:01.500
you also don't really have the financial wiggle

00:18:01.500 --> 00:18:03.940
room to kind of give you a shot of adrenaline

00:18:03.940 --> 00:18:07.019
to start that process off. So what we're seeing,

00:18:07.220 --> 00:18:09.319
and you know, I don't want to insult these people,

00:18:09.619 --> 00:18:11.920
but we're seeing people that if we were to judge

00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:16.140
their careers to this point, they're 27 or younger.

00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:19.279
They have been serviceable, whether it's been

00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:22.579
wrong fit, not enough development. And, you know,

00:18:22.579 --> 00:18:26.710
these are all C minus to B minus acquisitions

00:18:26.710 --> 00:18:29.369
that are not of substantial risk to you because

00:18:29.369 --> 00:18:31.750
you're not paying a lot of money. Jamin Davis

00:18:31.750 --> 00:18:35.029
is in that category, JJ. I also think that safety

00:18:35.029 --> 00:18:38.869
Isaiah Oliver is in that category. I also think

00:18:38.869 --> 00:18:40.849
that Brandon Stevens from the Ravens is in that

00:18:40.849 --> 00:18:42.809
category because you want to think to yourself,

00:18:43.190 --> 00:18:44.970
oh, Ravens, that's right. They're like the best

00:18:44.970 --> 00:18:48.069
defense ever. But last year they weren't. And

00:18:48.069 --> 00:18:51.529
last year he was very, very inconsistent in the

00:18:51.529 --> 00:18:54.890
backfield. The biggest problem I think the Jets

00:18:54.890 --> 00:18:58.730
are going to have this year is defensive back.

00:18:59.849 --> 00:19:02.829
They lose literally all of their safeties, right?

00:19:02.829 --> 00:19:05.630
So now you have to plug and play. The only remaining

00:19:05.630 --> 00:19:08.869
key defensive back is Saas Gardner who, you know,

00:19:08.970 --> 00:19:10.990
cycling back to our discussions this time last

00:19:10.990 --> 00:19:13.990
year, we were kind of in agreement like maybe

00:19:13.990 --> 00:19:16.950
he's not the shutdown corner we all think. And

00:19:16.950 --> 00:19:19.849
I think... He didn't necessarily regress as much

00:19:19.849 --> 00:19:22.049
as it was exposed that he's still got a lot of

00:19:22.049 --> 00:19:24.349
work to do once holding penalties get called

00:19:24.349 --> 00:19:27.589
on him. Yeah. Once, once the refs decide that

00:19:27.589 --> 00:19:29.809
they're going to, you know, make it a point and

00:19:29.809 --> 00:19:32.849
emphasis again, to get on the handsy CBs in a

00:19:32.849 --> 00:19:35.670
game. Sauce's game was shut down this year. I

00:19:35.670 --> 00:19:37.670
like, I like to think it was the highlight reel

00:19:37.670 --> 00:19:40.349
we put on Instagram of all of sauce gardener

00:19:40.349 --> 00:19:43.029
Gardner's holds that really awaken the NFL to

00:19:43.029 --> 00:19:46.009
this. this travesty and injustice of misplay

00:19:46.009 --> 00:19:49.190
calls. So I'm visualizing, visualizing Ed Hockley

00:19:49.190 --> 00:19:51.670
in the middle of a stressful weightlifting workout,

00:19:51.950 --> 00:19:53.789
watching your video on Instagram and calling

00:19:53.789 --> 00:19:56.650
up his son and be like, Buffalo bread. Oh my

00:19:56.650 --> 00:19:59.529
God. I got to call Sean. Yeah. We gotta get them

00:19:59.529 --> 00:20:02.029
on this. Also, apparently, we were wrong on the

00:20:02.029 --> 00:20:03.789
spot of the ball in the AFC Championship game.

00:20:04.130 --> 00:20:06.369
They were wrong on all of the spots of the ball.

00:20:06.829 --> 00:20:08.710
We haven't had a chance to talk about this, JJ.

00:20:08.849 --> 00:20:11.309
All the spots were bad. The Kade spot before...

00:20:11.309 --> 00:20:13.890
Okay, sorry. Go, okay. Jared, sorry. This is

00:20:13.890 --> 00:20:15.549
Jets time. My bad. This is Jets time. We're back

00:20:15.549 --> 00:20:17.650
to it. Listen, I think I'm a bad Jets season

00:20:17.650 --> 00:20:20.109
away from just becoming a Bills fan, so we can

00:20:20.109 --> 00:20:22.529
talk about this all you want. You'd be welcome

00:20:22.529 --> 00:20:25.230
here, sir. You'd be welcome here. Bar Bill on

00:20:25.230 --> 00:20:27.269
me anytime. Let's go. Yeah, the amazing thing

00:20:27.269 --> 00:20:29.549
about it is like, the day you actually decide

00:20:29.549 --> 00:20:32.049
that in your heart, when you open the fridge,

00:20:32.230 --> 00:20:34.009
there'll just be a container full of a dozen

00:20:34.009 --> 00:20:36.589
hot wings and blue cheese. Like, it just happens.

00:20:36.630 --> 00:20:39.289
It just manifests. It's amazing. People don't

00:20:39.289 --> 00:20:41.150
realize it. It's like a miracle that happens

00:20:41.150 --> 00:20:43.549
all the time. I'm visualizing, like, Fievel goes

00:20:43.549 --> 00:20:46.210
west from my childhood. Like, what's on the other

00:20:46.210 --> 00:20:48.609
side of Bill's fandom? The streets are paved

00:20:48.609 --> 00:20:50.809
with blue cheese. Yeah, here we go. Oh, my God.

00:20:51.250 --> 00:20:54.500
Yes. Hey. Um, okay. Then let's, let's talk, you

00:20:54.500 --> 00:20:59.440
know, Jared, I want to hear about, um, uh, Justin

00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:01.400
Fields. I mean, you mentioned his running ability,

00:21:01.420 --> 00:21:04.440
his like multi -factor, you know, attack method,

00:21:04.539 --> 00:21:06.880
the fact that you're reuniting him with Garry

00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:09.960
Wilson. Got his center in town. Like this is,

00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:12.500
this is to me, looking at the Jets off season

00:21:12.500 --> 00:21:15.240
is like the way they should have done it. but

00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:17.759
it was like they did it bizarro version with

00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:19.019
Aaron Rodgers. They're like, oh, we're going

00:21:19.019 --> 00:21:22.339
to get Aaron Rodgers and Alan Lazard and like

00:21:22.339 --> 00:21:25.299
his terrible offensive coordinator, Nathaniel

00:21:25.299 --> 00:21:27.099
Hackett. And we're going to, we're going to just

00:21:27.099 --> 00:21:29.680
keep bringing all of this trash into the, into

00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:33.740
the room and throw giant gobs of money at it.

00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:36.579
And that's going to fix everything. This, this

00:21:36.579 --> 00:21:38.180
off season, I'm like, oh, this is a rational,

00:21:38.339 --> 00:21:41.460
reasonable approach to having a tight cap, cleaning

00:21:41.460 --> 00:21:44.589
up messes and trying to focus on assembling a

00:21:44.589 --> 00:21:46.230
team through the draft. Like, this is what this

00:21:46.230 --> 00:21:50.569
is supposed to look like. Of any sport, JJ, I

00:21:50.569 --> 00:21:55.369
have always felt that winning NFL teams are the

00:21:55.369 --> 00:21:58.730
ones that most similarly echo a college ethos.

00:21:59.049 --> 00:22:02.349
The NBA is such a different sport than college

00:22:02.349 --> 00:22:05.609
basketball. Major league baseball is, you know,

00:22:06.009 --> 00:22:08.049
completely different than any other sport out

00:22:08.049 --> 00:22:09.730
there, especially because of the way that skill

00:22:09.730 --> 00:22:12.750
positions are defined and the way the money goes.

00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:15.319
even in the NHL, you know, the way that they

00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:17.440
draft and then develop people through two different

00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:20.240
farm systems. The thing that has always stuck

00:22:20.240 --> 00:22:24.460
out to me with NFL programs are NFL franchises

00:22:24.460 --> 00:22:27.559
are always culture oriented. The teams with the

00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:30.420
most consistent cultures always do the best.

00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:36.339
And for a sport that truly, I mean, the NFL as

00:22:36.339 --> 00:22:42.930
we know it is not super old, right? We're not

00:22:42.930 --> 00:22:44.950
old, and we've lived through more than half of

00:22:44.950 --> 00:22:46.990
the NFL's history. That's pretty wild, right?

00:22:47.750 --> 00:22:51.450
So when I think about that, I see a league where

00:22:51.450 --> 00:22:55.210
we have seen time and time again teams with megastars

00:22:55.210 --> 00:22:57.309
crumble in the playoffs because they didn't have

00:22:57.309 --> 00:23:00.609
the culture, right? So, JJ, to your point, they're

00:23:00.609 --> 00:23:04.230
doing this the right way. Where I think it's

00:23:04.230 --> 00:23:09.349
going to be most interesting is with Justin Fields.

00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:12.940
I think back about a month ago to the New York

00:23:12.940 --> 00:23:15.660
Post reporting that the Jets essentially gave

00:23:15.660 --> 00:23:19.579
an ultimatum to Aaron Rodgers that was essentially

00:23:19.579 --> 00:23:22.599
like, you're either going to behave like a cultural

00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:26.220
leader or we're not going to keep you. And then

00:23:26.220 --> 00:23:28.940
according to the reporting, Rodgers was like,

00:23:29.099 --> 00:23:31.200
I'm ready to do it. And Aaron Glenn was like,

00:23:31.339 --> 00:23:36.660
I'm not sure I buy it. And you know, now let's

00:23:36.660 --> 00:23:39.519
take that exact messaging, right? and let's put

00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:43.119
it on a guy who's in his early to mid -20s, who,

00:23:44.299 --> 00:23:48.160
like, if I were Justin Fields, I wouldn't know

00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:51.400
what to make of my own career. I nearly lead

00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:54.000
the Chicago Bears to the postseason in my rookie

00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:57.799
year, and then the Bears want to get rid of me,

00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:00.799
except all of the Bears supporters are like,

00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:06.339
this is my guy. So, like, so he's probably chopping

00:24:06.339 --> 00:24:09.349
at the bit. to have an opportunity to lead. He

00:24:09.349 --> 00:24:11.769
goes to Pittsburgh, they start with a winning

00:24:11.769 --> 00:24:14.450
record, and they bench him, and they don't let

00:24:14.450 --> 00:24:17.130
him run. And they don't, like, he doesn't look

00:24:17.130 --> 00:24:19.410
like himself out there. And then all of a sudden,

00:24:19.450 --> 00:24:21.869
like, he's literally glorified Tim Tebow. They

00:24:21.869 --> 00:24:24.890
have him going in for H -back packages. And,

00:24:25.269 --> 00:24:27.769
you know, so I bet you, if you're Aaron Glenn,

00:24:28.190 --> 00:24:30.650
and you say everything to Justin Fields that

00:24:30.650 --> 00:24:32.549
Aaron Rodgers was on the fence about, Justin

00:24:32.549 --> 00:24:36.309
Fields goes, yes, let's go, I'm in. Give me a,

00:24:36.309 --> 00:24:39.089
give me a shot here. This feels like, this feels

00:24:39.089 --> 00:24:42.769
like the Jets opportunity to finally be the landing

00:24:42.769 --> 00:24:46.390
spot for the cast off quarterback. The Jets this

00:24:46.390 --> 00:24:49.930
year could be Minnesota with Darnold. They could

00:24:49.930 --> 00:24:52.849
be the Seahawks with Geno Smith. Oh wait, those

00:24:52.849 --> 00:24:57.349
were both, both also Jets. Both rehabbed just

00:24:57.349 --> 00:24:59.690
quarterbacks. Yes. But like, that's what I mean

00:24:59.690 --> 00:25:03.000
is to your point. Culture, it comes first because

00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.579
that was situations where the team was not about

00:25:05.579 --> 00:25:07.759
development players. Like there's a lot of people

00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:10.039
in the media space who say that the Jets franchise

00:25:10.039 --> 00:25:12.380
for the past 15 to 20 years has been one of the

00:25:12.380 --> 00:25:15.119
worst at developing young talent and maintaining

00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:17.720
them and like building a roster in that way.

00:25:18.099 --> 00:25:21.539
And that I think has been evident and hopefully

00:25:21.539 --> 00:25:24.180
this for your sake and your franchise sake is

00:25:24.180 --> 00:25:26.480
the turnaround. My only question about airing

00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:29.450
Glenn, and you may be able to answer this. What

00:25:29.450 --> 00:25:31.609
particular body part is he gonna recommend they

00:25:31.609 --> 00:25:34.450
bite during his press conference? Preseason because

00:25:34.450 --> 00:25:36.630
we know that's how he he's gonna bring the culture

00:25:36.630 --> 00:25:39.730
like that's part of it. Well, you know if you

00:25:39.730 --> 00:25:44.430
acknowledge Jet's history you have to lean towards

00:25:44.430 --> 00:25:49.589
feet. Okay, but It's not if you know, you know

00:25:49.589 --> 00:25:53.250
No, I think but like but you know, it's funny

00:25:53.250 --> 00:25:56.750
let's Even considering that, and I'm sorry, so

00:25:56.750 --> 00:25:59.809
those who do know, I'm sorry. Jesus, it's like

00:25:59.809 --> 00:26:02.130
burned in my brain now, thank you. Yeah, don't

00:26:02.130 --> 00:26:05.029
worry. Did you know Aaron Glenn also has a Mark

00:26:05.029 --> 00:26:06.970
Sanchez tattoo, but nobody knows why and you

00:26:06.970 --> 00:26:09.869
can't ask him about it? Oh my God, so many people

00:26:09.869 --> 00:26:13.029
are gonna be Googling feet in the New York Jets

00:26:13.029 --> 00:26:16.529
after this podcast. It's okay, it's okay. The

00:26:16.529 --> 00:26:18.589
good news is I'm saving all of my Brett Favre

00:26:18.589 --> 00:26:29.529
stuff. Jesus. So for me, I think that young quarterback

00:26:29.529 --> 00:26:31.190
with a lot to prove and a chip on his shoulder,

00:26:32.029 --> 00:26:36.009
this is the reason why I like this so much. If

00:26:36.009 --> 00:26:39.089
you were to ask me, what if it doesn't work out?

00:26:39.349 --> 00:26:42.390
I would shrug my shoulders at you and say, I

00:26:42.390 --> 00:26:43.990
didn't want to draft a quarterback this year

00:26:43.990 --> 00:26:47.069
anyway. And we'll draft a quarterback next season

00:26:47.069 --> 00:26:48.789
where there's going to be more skilled players

00:26:48.789 --> 00:26:55.660
in the draft. Like, cool, if you're already using

00:26:55.660 --> 00:26:58.619
this year as a developmental year, why not do

00:26:58.619 --> 00:27:02.460
this? Why not take a fire on this guy who has,

00:27:02.660 --> 00:27:05.720
I mean, his evals out of the draft were better

00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:08.960
than any of these quarterbacks that the Jets

00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:14.220
have botched. So why not? Fields was one of my

00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:16.940
favorite QBs coming out of that draft, and I...

00:27:16.539 --> 00:27:20.140
I maintain to this day that the Bears did nothing

00:27:20.140 --> 00:27:23.339
to build around him. Absolutely nothing. I think

00:27:23.339 --> 00:27:26.000
this is a great opportunity for him because unlike

00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.940
Pittsburgh, the Jets actually want him. And yes,

00:27:29.980 --> 00:27:32.740
I think the 10 million extra dollars they guaranteed

00:27:32.740 --> 00:27:35.440
him had a factor in him going from Pittsburgh

00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:39.339
to the Jets. But I think more is the money and

00:27:39.339 --> 00:27:41.119
the pitch that they made showed that they cared

00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:43.319
about him. They cared about his development.

00:27:43.609 --> 00:27:45.589
and that they actually had a place for him on

00:27:45.589 --> 00:27:48.930
the team. Even last season, I think in hindsight

00:27:48.930 --> 00:27:51.710
being what it is, he was always gonna be a placeholder

00:27:51.710 --> 00:27:55.369
for an absolutely cooked Russell Wilson. That

00:27:55.369 --> 00:27:58.769
was always going to be the plan. And I don't

00:27:58.769 --> 00:28:01.029
think they utilized him properly in Pittsburgh,

00:28:01.369 --> 00:28:03.430
but I also think it was an absolute confident

00:28:03.430 --> 00:28:06.609
shot for him as well. And I think, yeah, and

00:28:06.609 --> 00:28:08.750
this doesn't happen with many players, but I

00:28:08.750 --> 00:28:11.910
think he can rebuild his confidence going to

00:28:11.910 --> 00:28:14.490
the Jets. because with the right coach and an

00:28:14.490 --> 00:28:16.730
organization that has shown that they want him

00:28:16.730 --> 00:28:19.029
and that they're going to allow him to take his

00:28:19.029 --> 00:28:22.910
lumps. And it's also a signal that we are not

00:28:22.910 --> 00:28:26.009
going to potentially not going to draft like

00:28:26.009 --> 00:28:28.650
a Shador Sanders, a Cam Ward, a Jackson Dart

00:28:28.650 --> 00:28:31.150
with one of our top picks. Like it's going to

00:28:31.150 --> 00:28:32.990
be you this season, dude. And we're going to

00:28:32.990 --> 00:28:35.329
support you in that development. I just think

00:28:35.329 --> 00:28:38.069
it's a great for a great foot or a potentially

00:28:38.069 --> 00:28:40.299
great football player. and it's exactly the right

00:28:40.299 --> 00:28:42.279
move for the Jets. It raises the floor of that

00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:44.700
offense with both his throwing ability, but more

00:28:44.700 --> 00:28:48.440
importantly, his mobility, too. You're in a division

00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:51.759
where defenses have a problem defending mobile

00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:54.759
QBs, the Bills chief among them. You add that

00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:57.480
wrinkle to the offense, it may not win you the

00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.259
division, but, damn, it's gonna make things a

00:28:59.259 --> 00:29:00.740
lot closer, and it's gonna keep that offense

00:29:00.740 --> 00:29:03.700
on the field longer than Aaron Rodgers or Zach

00:29:03.700 --> 00:29:06.140
Wilson could these past couple years. So, Jared

00:29:06.140 --> 00:29:08.799
Mann, I think that's great. All right. We are

00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.000
coming, sadly, to the end of our time with you,

00:29:11.059 --> 00:29:14.019
but we cannot let you leave without getting some

00:29:14.019 --> 00:29:18.640
of the ultimately almost always 100 % right Jared

00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.400
Hot takes. So we're gonna go lightning round

00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.279
with this. We got five takes for you, and we're

00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:25.119
gonna do our best to keep it within five minutes.

00:29:25.140 --> 00:29:27.279
So one minute per take. All right. I can do that.

00:29:27.299 --> 00:29:29.039
Let's go. All right. I'm gonna take the first

00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:30.779
couple, and then, JJ, you wanna bring up with

00:29:30.779 --> 00:29:32.019
the last three? Yep. You good with that? We'll

00:29:32.019 --> 00:29:36.119
do. Yep. All right. So the Jets make the playoffs

00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:40.099
if... blank happens. No pressure when I say this.

00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:42.940
Justin Fields sneaks his way into the Pearl Bowl

00:29:42.940 --> 00:29:46.740
as a quarterback and just becomes a passing,

00:29:46.940 --> 00:29:50.640
rushing, dual threat. Nice. I like it. I like

00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:52.319
that a lot. I think a lot of it's going to hinge

00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:57.480
around him. Jared, does the defense under Aaron

00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:00.319
Glenn rebound this year? This is where I'm going

00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:04.710
to make up for lost time. Yes. Nice. So why are

00:30:04.710 --> 00:30:06.190
you so confident about it? Because you do have

00:30:06.190 --> 00:30:08.650
some holes on the roster, and Glenn is going

00:30:08.650 --> 00:30:10.950
to take more of a probably a man -based approach

00:30:10.950 --> 00:30:13.450
with his DBs. And you've got Sauce, but you really

00:30:13.450 --> 00:30:15.450
don't have a lot of other man DBs on that squad.

00:30:15.829 --> 00:30:17.650
So what makes you so confident that you guys

00:30:17.650 --> 00:30:20.390
are going to be able to rebound this year? I

00:30:20.390 --> 00:30:23.289
don't think I've had as much confidence as an

00:30:23.289 --> 00:30:25.369
incoming coach as I have in Aaron Glenn after

00:30:25.369 --> 00:30:26.990
seeing what he did with the Lions last year.

00:30:27.190 --> 00:30:29.950
So if the Lions get to go to the second round

00:30:29.950 --> 00:30:33.170
of the playoffs, literally with 12 defensive

00:30:33.170 --> 00:30:35.750
players in your reserve, right? He's playing

00:30:35.750 --> 00:30:39.210
a second unit in almost every position of that

00:30:39.210 --> 00:30:42.450
defense. If that's what he has to work with with

00:30:42.450 --> 00:30:46.309
the Jets, we're going to be okay. And again,

00:30:46.309 --> 00:30:49.630
we speak to the culture thing. I think very intentionally,

00:30:50.849 --> 00:30:53.829
he has brought in his first free agent acquisitions,

00:30:53.829 --> 00:30:56.269
aside from Justin Fields, a lot of young guys

00:30:56.269 --> 00:30:58.150
who he's basically saying, put your trust in

00:30:58.150 --> 00:31:01.779
me. I'm going to give you your shot. And his

00:31:01.779 --> 00:31:04.640
body of work is, I just did that with the second

00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:08.859
string defense. I'm all in on his defense. Love

00:31:08.859 --> 00:31:11.059
that confidence. And this segues beautifully

00:31:11.059 --> 00:31:13.480
to JJ's question. I love that optimism, too.

00:31:13.579 --> 00:31:16.220
And my question is, Aaron Glenn is a Coach of

00:31:16.220 --> 00:31:19.940
the Year candidate if this happens? If the offense

00:31:19.940 --> 00:31:22.140
can match what I think he's capable of doing

00:31:22.140 --> 00:31:24.759
defensively. And I think the big question mark

00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:29.380
here is their new GM, is a quarterback. I'm putting

00:31:29.380 --> 00:31:32.720
it in air quotes. He did play in the NFL, right?

00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.400
That's not an easy thing to do. But, you know,

00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:38.299
like a cup of coffee in the NFL versus I'm John

00:31:38.299 --> 00:31:41.480
Elway kind of thing. Right. So, you know, that's

00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.579
piece one. Piece two is there's a lot of young

00:31:44.579 --> 00:31:46.559
and unproven pieces, which you both have mentioned.

00:31:47.099 --> 00:31:51.380
So, you know, he really can only be as good as

00:31:51.380 --> 00:31:54.539
his unproven offensive coordinating team. And

00:31:54.539 --> 00:31:57.819
I think we know what he wants to do, but the

00:31:57.819 --> 00:32:00.859
difference between wanting to do it and actually

00:32:00.859 --> 00:32:02.940
doing it is gonna be how well Justin Fields can

00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:06.519
perform and how consistently some, for lack of

00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:10.000
a better word, mercurial young offensive players

00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:12.259
have handled themselves over the last two seasons.

00:32:12.579 --> 00:32:15.299
Well said. I like it. And don't worry, don't

00:32:15.299 --> 00:32:16.559
stress too much about your time. You're doing

00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.500
fine. And my last two questions should be quick

00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:23.460
ones. So I've got like a tangent for one beat.

00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.259
Which unit offense or defense do you think is

00:32:27.259 --> 00:32:30.319
going to be better for the Jets and give us quick?

00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:33.000
Anticipated rankings of them within the league.

00:32:33.380 --> 00:32:36.400
So like defense is a top 15 offenses bottom,

00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:38.420
you know bottom third whatever you believe it's

00:32:38.420 --> 00:32:41.539
gonna be I Think the defense will be better than

00:32:41.539 --> 00:32:45.180
the offense But I think that we're gonna get

00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:47.400
some throwback Jets figures and I think even

00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:49.660
if the offense is middle of the pack like I can

00:32:49.660 --> 00:32:54.160
see a top 12 or better defense. I can't see a

00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.599
better than 18 offense, but I can see a top 10

00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:01.160
or better running game. And the biggest thing

00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.079
that Aaron Rodgers did, and this is, you have

00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:08.119
to remember this, Aaron Rodgers was responsible

00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:12.059
for tanking the rushing game of the Jets last

00:33:12.059 --> 00:33:15.740
season because of how many calls out of runs

00:33:15.740 --> 00:33:19.059
at the line of scrimmage happened. The year before,

00:33:19.660 --> 00:33:24.140
Reese Hall was getting 25 plus touches between

00:33:24.140 --> 00:33:27.799
handoffs and dump passes. Unproven Justin Field

00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:31.799
with check down routes to Breece Hall and, and

00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:35.400
Allen behind him. Like, yeah, this is. That's

00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:39.500
good. Yeah. Run heavy is my guess. Yeah. So a

00:33:39.500 --> 00:33:42.259
bottom half ranked offense, but the rushing attack

00:33:42.259 --> 00:33:45.059
is going to be a premier. Yeah. Premier feature.

00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:46.880
That's spicy. I can see that happening. Yeah,

00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:49.720
I like that. All right. So my last two. This

00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:52.319
is true faults, easy, quick. Justin Fields is

00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:56.460
a top 15 QB in the NFL. True or false? Not yet.

00:33:56.460 --> 00:33:59.319
Top 15. Not yet. Okay. He's not top 15. Do you

00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:01.619
believe that this is a season after which he

00:34:01.619 --> 00:34:03.920
could be considered in that kind of ranking?

00:34:04.660 --> 00:34:07.420
100%. Okay. I think so much of modern quarterbacking

00:34:07.420 --> 00:34:10.039
is how your team uses you. True. Yeah. Smart.

00:34:11.139 --> 00:34:13.260
All right. Last one. Final lightning round take.

00:34:13.469 --> 00:34:17.010
Justin Fields is the blank best QB in the AFC

00:34:17.010 --> 00:34:18.949
East. So we're asking you to rank within the

00:34:18.949 --> 00:34:21.929
AFC East for presumed starters Where does he

00:34:21.929 --> 00:34:26.489
where does he land? Right now unfortunately right

00:34:26.489 --> 00:34:29.050
now, unfortunately, he's fourth of four. Okay

00:34:29.050 --> 00:34:33.150
alone, but I Think that's subject to change.

00:34:33.150 --> 00:34:37.670
I mean we to it. We never know with to know and

00:34:37.670 --> 00:34:41.750
You know, it's funny. I I'm high on what the

00:34:41.750 --> 00:34:44.760
Patriots can do with variable But again, it comes

00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:48.059
down to, you know, how variable decides to use

00:34:48.059 --> 00:34:50.699
and someone who actually plays an awful lot like

00:34:50.699 --> 00:34:55.300
Justin Fields. So, you know, we'll see. But four

00:34:55.300 --> 00:34:57.420
for now and subject to change. But again, and

00:34:57.420 --> 00:35:00.380
I think this is the most important thing. As

00:35:00.380 --> 00:35:03.340
history has proven with the Jets, Justin Fields

00:35:03.340 --> 00:35:07.599
doesn't need to be one or even two of four for

00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:11.610
the Jets to be a very successful franchise. Joe

00:35:11.610 --> 00:35:13.429
Flacco has a Super Bowl ring. That's what I always

00:35:13.429 --> 00:35:16.110
say. Trent Dofer's got one, right? Whenever anyone's

00:35:16.110 --> 00:35:18.389
like, you know, can a game manager win the whole

00:35:18.389 --> 00:35:21.269
damn thing? Yes, absolutely. Nick Foles has one.

00:35:21.409 --> 00:35:23.809
I mean, let's just run down the list, right?

00:35:24.389 --> 00:35:27.909
Well, and I have to say, we started, I was just,

00:35:27.909 --> 00:35:31.210
I glanced at the recording time. We started at

00:35:31.210 --> 00:35:33.829
30 minutes and like five seconds, and we finished

00:35:33.829 --> 00:35:37.190
at exactly 35 in five seconds. You did a perfect

00:35:37.190 --> 00:35:39.849
lightning round, even with a bonus. I appreciate

00:35:39.849 --> 00:35:42.170
that. I can't wait for the fridge magnet. I'm

00:35:42.170 --> 00:35:45.170
sure it's in the mail. Absolutely. Absolutely

00:35:45.170 --> 00:35:47.929
is. Jared, as always, man, thank you for joining

00:35:47.929 --> 00:35:50.110
us. Your insights into the Jets at any point

00:35:50.110 --> 00:35:53.829
in the season, off -season, post -season, during

00:35:53.829 --> 00:35:55.949
the season, excellent. We appreciate it, sir.

00:35:56.289 --> 00:35:58.210
Thank you very much for your time, and we'll

00:35:58.210 --> 00:36:02.250
be bringing you back soon for our AFC East mock

00:36:02.250 --> 00:36:03.969
draft. We're looking forward to it, all right?

00:36:04.329 --> 00:36:06.170
Thanks for having me, and of course, Aaron Rodgers,

00:36:06.250 --> 00:36:09.719
I'll see you now. That's the best way to finish.

00:36:09.860 --> 00:36:11.519
That's great. We're not even gonna do a go Bills.

00:36:11.619 --> 00:36:13.179
It's just gonna be Aaron Rodgers going to hell.

00:36:14.099 --> 00:36:19.340
Awesome. Have a good one, sir. All right. Welcome

00:36:19.340 --> 00:36:22.159
back to the Buffalo Bread podcast. We have our

00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.139
off season extravaganza setting the stage for

00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:27.179
what we want the Bills to do in the off season.

00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.000
Given that we are now on the second day of the

00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.219
new league year, we have some free agency moves

00:36:32.219 --> 00:36:35.659
that have been made. We have some very significant

00:36:35.659 --> 00:36:37.960
and some less significant contracts to discuss.

00:36:38.380 --> 00:36:41.019
Dan, how we doing? Doing good, sir. Glad to be

00:36:41.019 --> 00:36:43.119
talking Buffalo Bills football again on the pod.

00:36:44.099 --> 00:36:46.900
For those of you who are just joining us, please

00:36:46.900 --> 00:36:49.780
do not skip the Friends of the Pod episode that

00:36:49.780 --> 00:36:51.840
is the lead -in to this one with our good friend

00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.099
Jared, our resident Jets expert. As always, he

00:36:55.099 --> 00:36:57.400
is bringing the knowledge and the heat about

00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.949
the Jets' 2025 off -season plans here. Speaking

00:37:00.949 --> 00:37:02.789
with a little bit of cautious optimism which

00:37:02.789 --> 00:37:05.150
was new for him and I was really glad to hear

00:37:05.150 --> 00:37:08.489
that tingle of hope in his voice this year Now

00:37:08.489 --> 00:37:10.730
we care we may hate the Jets, but we care about

00:37:10.730 --> 00:37:13.750
the people the people that love them the people

00:37:13.750 --> 00:37:16.869
whose lives they ruin Yes, exactly All right,

00:37:16.949 --> 00:37:18.530
man. But yeah, there's a lot to talk about about

00:37:18.530 --> 00:37:21.769
the bills This has been a very bean offseason

00:37:21.769 --> 00:37:24.210
to me He has taken care of business signing a

00:37:24.210 --> 00:37:26.530
lot of the homegrown talent which has been his

00:37:26.530 --> 00:37:29.659
MO over the course of the year I gotta say manage

00:37:29.659 --> 00:37:32.019
the cap very well, not just for this season but

00:37:32.019 --> 00:37:35.099
into the future too and bringing in some new

00:37:35.099 --> 00:37:39.219
interesting pieces. I don't think Bill's fans

00:37:39.219 --> 00:37:41.760
are necessarily content because they haven't

00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.340
seen a splashy move yet. There was a lot of talk

00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:49.079
about Miles Garrett, Max Crosby, Micah Parsons

00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:51.139
was floating out there as a potential trade candidate

00:37:51.139 --> 00:37:54.239
as well at one point, TJ Watt. That hasn't come

00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:57.110
to fruition, that big splash move. But Bean is

00:37:57.110 --> 00:37:59.110
doing Bean things, and he is making sure that

00:37:59.110 --> 00:38:01.909
the floor of this roster remains competitive,

00:38:01.929 --> 00:38:03.769
and that the Bills can, you know, make another

00:38:03.769 --> 00:38:06.050
playoff run this year, JJ. So, where do you want

00:38:06.050 --> 00:38:07.369
to start? You want to start with some of the

00:38:07.369 --> 00:38:09.289
new faces in the clubhouse, or you want to start

00:38:09.289 --> 00:38:11.170
with some of the extensions of the homegrown

00:38:11.170 --> 00:38:14.269
guys? Yeah, let's start with kind of stay at

00:38:14.269 --> 00:38:16.030
home first, because I think that's, you know,

00:38:16.050 --> 00:38:18.889
let's follow the blueprint that Brandon Bean

00:38:18.889 --> 00:38:21.250
follows as well with his team building is, you

00:38:21.250 --> 00:38:23.730
know, who has he extended, re -signed, et cetera.

00:38:24.010 --> 00:38:27.650
And so... You know, we kicked off the off season

00:38:27.650 --> 00:38:29.789
with an extension for Khalil Shakur, which I

00:38:29.789 --> 00:38:32.050
think everyone was very happy about four years,

00:38:32.250 --> 00:38:35.230
$60 million, which is, you know, a $15 million

00:38:35.230 --> 00:38:39.690
plus with incentives per year average. You're

00:38:39.690 --> 00:38:42.949
not going to get much better value than that

00:38:42.949 --> 00:38:45.389
because a lot of wide receivers, he's not like

00:38:45.389 --> 00:38:48.949
an elite outside wide receiver one. And we all

00:38:48.949 --> 00:38:51.190
know that, but what he provides to the offense

00:38:51.190 --> 00:38:56.860
is that kind of that like Julian Edelman, um,

00:38:56.860 --> 00:38:59.420
Cooper Cup, you know, like the guy who can, can

00:38:59.420 --> 00:39:01.400
work the middle of the field is open, even when

00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.300
he's covered, does a lot of amazing things after

00:39:04.300 --> 00:39:07.880
the catch. Um, and it has like a 98 % career

00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.519
catch rate. Like that kind of reliability and

00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.579
chemistry with Josh Allen cannot go, you know,

00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.320
um, underestimated. And I think this deal was

00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:20.380
incredibly reasonable and something that, you

00:39:20.380 --> 00:39:22.079
know, I mentioned in our friends of the pod episode

00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.400
with Jared. Some it's not uncommon for people

00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:27.900
to make an incredible amount of money and then

00:39:27.900 --> 00:39:30.280
take it out of gear Kalil Shakur strikes me as

00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.420
one of those people He gets picked on by his

00:39:32.420 --> 00:39:34.099
teammates for still driving like a 10 year old

00:39:34.099 --> 00:39:37.400
Subaru But he's not in it for that like he is

00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:39.340
in it because he cares about his craft He cares

00:39:39.340 --> 00:39:41.579
about his legacy and that's the kind of guy you

00:39:41.579 --> 00:39:43.420
want to resign So I think that was a smart resigning.

00:39:43.420 --> 00:39:46.039
How do you love you? I know you love Kalil Shakur.

00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:48.440
I love Kalil Shakur I've loved him since we've

00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:54.349
drafted him. Yeah and it just is such a great

00:39:54.349 --> 00:39:58.769
contract. I can't tell you how spectacular monetarily

00:39:58.769 --> 00:40:01.150
this contract is gonna be for the bills. We've

00:40:01.150 --> 00:40:03.650
seen how the cap hits are so spread out over

00:40:03.650 --> 00:40:06.710
the course of the length of the contract. The

00:40:06.710 --> 00:40:09.429
percentage of the cap hit that it takes is minuscule.

00:40:09.909 --> 00:40:12.250
And when you look at how broken the wide receiver

00:40:12.250 --> 00:40:14.510
free agent market is right now with some of the

00:40:14.510 --> 00:40:16.929
money that's being doled out to guys that are

00:40:16.929 --> 00:40:19.869
less proven than Shakir, I mean, this is the

00:40:19.869 --> 00:40:23.349
epitome of a hometown discount in my opinion.

00:40:23.769 --> 00:40:25.969
It pays a player a good amount of money, but

00:40:25.969 --> 00:40:28.489
by the same token, it is not putting an undue

00:40:28.489 --> 00:40:31.289
burden on the team. I mean, it's just you do

00:40:31.289 --> 00:40:35.369
not find deals that are as team friendly as this

00:40:35.369 --> 00:40:37.789
in this day and age for a guy, quite frankly,

00:40:38.190 --> 00:40:40.030
that could have hit the open market and maybe

00:40:40.030 --> 00:40:42.909
made one and a half times this. So great for

00:40:42.909 --> 00:40:45.449
the bills to do it. And it's a contract as beans

00:40:45.449 --> 00:40:48.619
contracts tend to. that is going to age really

00:40:48.619 --> 00:40:51.139
well as the salary cap continues to go up and

00:40:51.139 --> 00:40:53.699
the AAV on these wide receiver contracts continues

00:40:53.699 --> 00:40:56.280
to go up as well. T Higgins will reset the market.

00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:58.480
Jamar Chase will reset it shortly thereafter.

00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.599
This Shakir contract is going to look great two,

00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:03.800
three, and even four years down the road. Well,

00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:10.239
and I think that somebody like Chris Godwin getting

00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:16.139
three years for $66 million, that's what a reasonable

00:41:16.250 --> 00:41:18.690
good solid wide receivers getting these days

00:41:18.690 --> 00:41:21.230
and to get Shakira at an average of 15 is just,

00:41:21.469 --> 00:41:23.889
just wild. Outstanding home hometown discount.

00:41:24.570 --> 00:41:26.610
He believes in what they're doing and it helps

00:41:26.610 --> 00:41:29.190
to be, you know, to be receiving the ball from

00:41:29.190 --> 00:41:32.489
the league MVP and Josh Allen. Um, Terrell Bernard,

00:41:32.909 --> 00:41:36.849
another player from that same draft, um, the

00:41:36.849 --> 00:41:39.070
linebacker and captain of the quarterback of

00:41:39.070 --> 00:41:42.340
the defense, four years, 50 million again. Completely

00:41:42.340 --> 00:41:44.860
reasonable 12 and a half to 13 million dollar

00:41:44.860 --> 00:41:47.739
per year average value, which is reasonable I

00:41:47.739 --> 00:41:49.780
mean it makes him like the 12th or 13th highest

00:41:49.780 --> 00:41:52.179
paid linebacker in the league and that I think

00:41:52.179 --> 00:41:55.440
is is fine I think he's he sort of stepped back

00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:58.380
a little bit this year in terms of splash plays

00:41:58.380 --> 00:42:01.019
but I think a lot of that had to do with him

00:42:01.019 --> 00:42:02.860
needing to pick up the slack from some of the

00:42:02.860 --> 00:42:07.500
other secondary players and not having an outstanding

00:42:07.500 --> 00:42:10.119
space eating one technique defensive tackle in

00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:12.840
front of him. I think Dequan Jones was not as

00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.960
good this year. Um, Ed Oliver was slumping at

00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:19.079
times. They were facing, you know, pretty substantial

00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:20.900
injuries along the interior of the defensive

00:42:20.900 --> 00:42:23.440
line. So he was getting, um, he's not a linebacker

00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:25.699
that plays very well in space with, uh, with

00:42:25.699 --> 00:42:29.099
linemen on him. And so he really needs a stout

00:42:29.099 --> 00:42:31.420
defensive line in front of him to be his best.

00:42:31.500 --> 00:42:33.659
And hopefully the Bills can get that fixed. Yeah.

00:42:33.659 --> 00:42:36.409
We talk about all the time. the D -line has to

00:42:36.409 --> 00:42:38.610
keep this linebacker core clean. And it doesn't

00:42:38.610 --> 00:42:40.989
just impact Bernard and impacts Milano and the

00:42:40.989 --> 00:42:43.630
play style he rolls out there week in and week

00:42:43.630 --> 00:42:47.329
out as well. So Bernard to me again, very reasonable

00:42:47.329 --> 00:42:51.570
contract for the QB of your defense. And the

00:42:51.570 --> 00:42:54.710
value added that he brings is the green dot on

00:42:54.710 --> 00:42:57.989
the field, how quickly he has assimilated to

00:42:57.989 --> 00:42:59.829
that defense over the past couple years. I mean,

00:42:59.849 --> 00:43:03.010
it feels like he has been the green dot on that

00:43:03.010 --> 00:43:06.769
defense. for years, and if you look back at it,

00:43:06.929 --> 00:43:09.030
he's only had really two full seasons with it

00:43:09.030 --> 00:43:12.170
since Edmonds left. So his progression has absolutely

00:43:12.170 --> 00:43:16.010
skyrocketed, and it feels like he is a player

00:43:16.010 --> 00:43:19.710
who's ascending, who still has another peak that

00:43:19.710 --> 00:43:22.670
they can hit in their development, and I'm really

00:43:22.670 --> 00:43:24.829
looking forward to him hitting it as a Buffalo

00:43:24.829 --> 00:43:28.670
Bill. Again, great resigning by Bean. Yep. And

00:43:28.670 --> 00:43:32.409
then, of course, Gregory Rousseau, another person

00:43:32.409 --> 00:43:35.190
who the Bills have drafted and they're re -signing

00:43:35.190 --> 00:43:36.670
and developing. He was going to play in his fifth

00:43:36.670 --> 00:43:39.690
year option this season, which was a pretty sizable,

00:43:39.710 --> 00:43:42.869
I think $17 or $18 million, fully guaranteed

00:43:42.869 --> 00:43:45.429
cap hit. And so they got him done on a deal,

00:43:45.949 --> 00:43:48.449
four years, $80 million, annual average value

00:43:48.449 --> 00:43:51.809
of $20 million a year, which is reasonable. I

00:43:51.809 --> 00:43:54.110
think it's a little high for his caliber of play

00:43:54.110 --> 00:43:56.309
because he's never been a double digit sack player.

00:43:56.719 --> 00:43:59.940
But if you look at his advanced analytics, he

00:43:59.940 --> 00:44:02.179
is the kind of player you want on your defense

00:44:02.179 --> 00:44:04.699
for years. Like you just need some, he's the

00:44:04.699 --> 00:44:07.139
Phil Hanson to a Bruce Smith. You need that splash

00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:09.679
player on the other side because Greg Russo is

00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:12.000
very, very stout. He's very good against the

00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.119
run. He's good at setting the edge. His pressure

00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:18.159
rate is outstanding. It just, you know, there's

00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:20.360
nobody, when nobody's chasing a quarterback into

00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:22.659
his arms, he's not going to have outstanding

00:44:22.659 --> 00:44:25.409
numbers. Yeah, and, I mean, listen, the cliché

00:44:25.409 --> 00:44:28.349
of the offseason amongst Bill's mafia has been,

00:44:28.590 --> 00:44:31.130
Greg Russo is Robin, and he needs his Batman.

00:44:31.710 --> 00:44:35.010
And I get it, but when you talk about all of

00:44:35.010 --> 00:44:37.489
his advanced metrics compiled together, I love

00:44:37.489 --> 00:44:39.550
Havoc ratings. This offseason, I've just been

00:44:39.550 --> 00:44:42.550
obsessing over this new statistical metric that

00:44:42.550 --> 00:44:45.010
I now have to play with for the pod. He's eighth

00:44:45.010 --> 00:44:47.570
in overall Havoc rating. His pressures, his hits,

00:44:47.750 --> 00:44:50.789
his sacks, forced fumbles, the way he dirties

00:44:50.789 --> 00:44:53.469
the pocket... His ability to defend in the run

00:44:53.469 --> 00:44:56.989
though, there are points on film, particularly

00:44:56.989 --> 00:44:59.510
in the post -season where Baltimore and KC were

00:44:59.510 --> 00:45:01.469
not afraid to run at him and we can talk about

00:45:01.469 --> 00:45:03.849
that more, right? But when you take the whole

00:45:03.849 --> 00:45:06.929
package in the aggregate, he was a top 10 edge

00:45:06.929 --> 00:45:10.590
guy and you're getting him with I think the 12th,

00:45:10.590 --> 00:45:14.489
somewhere around the 12th highest cap percentage

00:45:14.489 --> 00:45:18.750
for an edge on any given team. But Miles Garrett

00:45:18.750 --> 00:45:22.389
resets the market. Max Crosby resets the market.

00:45:22.690 --> 00:45:24.989
Trey Hendrickson with a new deal may also reset

00:45:24.989 --> 00:45:28.829
the market or come close. Again, it's a lot of

00:45:28.829 --> 00:45:32.150
money on paper right now, but as we move forward

00:45:32.150 --> 00:45:34.869
in the next two to three years of this contract,

00:45:35.090 --> 00:45:37.949
it's going to age very, very well for overall

00:45:37.949 --> 00:45:40.409
percentage of cap hit. Again, another masterclass

00:45:40.409 --> 00:45:43.349
by Bean. To lock up a guy I think I would have

00:45:43.349 --> 00:45:45.989
been comfortable putting in a trade for a Max

00:45:45.989 --> 00:45:48.610
Crosby or a Miles Garrett or a Michael Parsons.

00:45:48.809 --> 00:45:51.269
but given that those did not come to fruition,

00:45:51.849 --> 00:45:54.449
equally happy to lock him up and now find who

00:45:54.449 --> 00:45:56.250
his running mate on the other end is gonna be,

00:45:56.469 --> 00:45:58.349
which the Bills think they may have done as we

00:45:58.349 --> 00:46:01.429
get to new faces here moving forward. Well, just

00:46:01.429 --> 00:46:03.489
one thing on Miles Garrett. I have to say this.

00:46:03.610 --> 00:46:07.969
I wanna use the very small pulpit I have to broadcast

00:46:07.969 --> 00:46:09.570
my feelings about this. I know what's about to

00:46:09.570 --> 00:46:15.070
happen. Miles Garrett. So, Miles Garrett, come...

00:46:15.099 --> 00:46:18.019
Like he stands up and he says, I have dreamed

00:46:18.019 --> 00:46:21.280
since I was a small child to play someday for

00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:24.099
a championship contending team and to hoist the

00:46:24.099 --> 00:46:27.139
Lombardi Trophy as a Superbowl champion. And

00:46:27.139 --> 00:46:29.300
that is why I am demanding a trade out of the

00:46:29.300 --> 00:46:31.420
Cleveland Browns. And then the Cleveland Browns

00:46:31.420 --> 00:46:34.980
are like, but money? And he's like, yeah, no,

00:46:35.059 --> 00:46:36.780
you're right. Yeah. My childhood dreams are worth,

00:46:36.780 --> 00:46:38.599
worth that. Whatever that is that you're offering

00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:40.320
me. Sure. I'll take that and be a complete loser

00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:43.099
for the rest of my time. Absolutely. Oh, my God.

00:46:43.380 --> 00:46:44.699
Miles Garrett thing was a little heartbreaking.

00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.219
He's the one I think Bill's mafia became most

00:46:47.219 --> 00:46:49.880
fixated on. Yes. In, like, a big trade. Like,

00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.139
trade the first round, maybe a future. Trade

00:46:52.139 --> 00:46:54.300
everything. Maybe a rig or so, right? Like, in

00:46:54.300 --> 00:46:57.619
a Miles Garrett trade, I feel like only Josh

00:46:57.619 --> 00:46:59.800
Allen would have been off the table. Yeah. That's

00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:01.659
the only sacred thing I would have protected.

00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:05.539
Like, I literally trade any piece. Any piece

00:47:05.539 --> 00:47:09.519
at all. I would... This is almost like, you know...

00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:13.880
against the rules and laws of Bill's mod. I would

00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:15.699
have traded Deion Dawkins for Miles Garrett.

00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:19.280
You know, no, I'm kidding. I was about to make

00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:21.019
some sort of like, well, you know, based on his

00:47:21.019 --> 00:47:22.760
age and current play rate, no, yeah, I know.

00:47:23.260 --> 00:47:27.320
But it's true. I mean, I think how you've seen

00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:29.960
the Bill, how we have experienced our Buffalo

00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:32.780
Bills exit over the course of the last several

00:47:32.780 --> 00:47:36.000
seasons, it's really clear the floor on this

00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.789
roster and this team continues to be high. but

00:47:38.789 --> 00:47:41.110
it needed a star or two, particularly on the

00:47:41.110 --> 00:47:44.050
defensive side of the ball, is upgrades. And

00:47:44.050 --> 00:47:46.050
Garrett, with the timing of his trade request,

00:47:46.449 --> 00:47:49.809
felt like the guy that we could potentially nab,

00:47:49.889 --> 00:47:52.750
work out a new restructured deal, and felt like

00:47:52.750 --> 00:47:54.550
a guy who, at least for the next two to three

00:47:54.550 --> 00:47:57.449
seasons, we could potentially rely on to be that

00:47:57.449 --> 00:48:00.710
Batman for Greg Russo and be that star that you've

00:48:00.710 --> 00:48:03.070
got to plan around on the defense. To be clear,

00:48:03.150 --> 00:48:05.809
the Bills are still lacking that, and I don't

00:48:05.809 --> 00:48:07.829
know that they're going to find it in free agency.

00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:10.860
or the draft potentially, but that remains to

00:48:10.860 --> 00:48:13.719
be seen. So we could be having this conversation

00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:15.440
at the very same time next year where it's like,

00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:18.320
man, the bills are like one miles Garrett away

00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:21.500
from us. We're almost there, right? We need that

00:48:21.500 --> 00:48:24.880
difference maker. We're almost there. Yeah. I

00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:27.940
know. And so like... That being said, it's not

00:48:27.940 --> 00:48:30.599
gonna happen. He decided to sell all of his morals

00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:34.039
and character for money, and that's okay. That's

00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:36.260
his choice, you know? I mean, it's a stupid amount

00:48:36.260 --> 00:48:38.519
of money, like literally a stupid amount of money,

00:48:38.980 --> 00:48:41.820
so I can't imagine, like, and this isn't, I'm

00:48:41.820 --> 00:48:44.380
never gonna be in a position where anyone's like,

00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:48.769
hey, will you? have literally no dignity for

00:48:48.769 --> 00:48:52.110
a giant amount of money. I can't promise that

00:48:52.110 --> 00:48:54.070
I wouldn't be like, you know what? Dignity's

00:48:54.070 --> 00:48:57.230
overrated. Give me all of the monies. I mean,

00:48:57.449 --> 00:49:00.130
it's the equivalent of if someone offered you

00:49:00.130 --> 00:49:04.429
and I $40 million to turn this from a Bills podcast

00:49:04.429 --> 00:49:08.530
into a Dolphins podcast. That's what it is. Just

00:49:08.530 --> 00:49:11.670
a podcast that rehashes every game of Tom Brady's

00:49:11.670 --> 00:49:15.769
career in explicit detail. Man in the Arena podcast

00:49:15.769 --> 00:49:18.949
version with Dan and JJ. And we just go game

00:49:18.949 --> 00:49:21.389
by game for all 22 years or whatever it was.

00:49:21.530 --> 00:49:24.449
Yep, absolutely. Exactly right. If that offers

00:49:24.449 --> 00:49:26.909
out there, actually. I know, right? We're not

00:49:26.909 --> 00:49:29.130
above it. We're not above it. We're for sale.

00:49:29.809 --> 00:49:33.110
Yeah. So I say all that, you know, of course,

00:49:33.349 --> 00:49:35.010
like, you know, it's a stupid amount of money

00:49:35.010 --> 00:49:38.050
and like he does care about the Cleveland franchise.

00:49:38.190 --> 00:49:40.329
That was pretty clear. I think it was just, you

00:49:40.329 --> 00:49:43.400
know. May have been a negotiating tactic, may

00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:46.179
have been he just pivoted when the money, the

00:49:46.179 --> 00:49:48.039
dollar sign showed up. It's an obscene amount

00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:52.000
of money. It's obscene. It really is. The highest

00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.599
paid non -quarterback in NFL history. Okay, so

00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:58.099
I'm going to throw a bucket of them at you to

00:49:58.099 --> 00:50:00.340
comment on. Ty Johnson, Reggie Gilliam, both

00:50:00.340 --> 00:50:02.659
in the backfield, Reed Ferguson, the long snapper,

00:50:02.820 --> 00:50:06.860
and Damar Hamlin. All of them. averaging the

00:50:06.860 --> 00:50:09.719
biggest contract of all of them is $2 .5 million

00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:11.980
per year for two years for Ty Johnson. Everything

00:50:11.980 --> 00:50:15.219
else is $2 million or minimum. Thoughts? I was

00:50:15.219 --> 00:50:17.739
shocked at how little we got Ty Johnson back

00:50:17.739 --> 00:50:20.980
for. Me too. I was stunned by that. And I think

00:50:20.980 --> 00:50:25.800
that it is unusual for a player like Ty Johnson

00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:28.679
who has flashed, and there is a team out there,

00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:31.420
maybe it's Dallas, maybe it's Cleveland. who's

00:50:31.420 --> 00:50:32.860
like, listen, we're gonna make you the focal

00:50:32.860 --> 00:50:34.920
point of the run game. You're gonna get touches,

00:50:35.099 --> 00:50:37.119
you're gonna do this, right? It's not just about

00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.039
the money, it's about the positioning and the

00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:41.960
offense. And with the way he has flashed in clutch

00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:44.719
moments over the past two years, I have no doubt

00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:47.340
he not only would have gotten more money should

00:50:47.340 --> 00:50:48.940
he have chosen to go to another team, but he

00:50:48.940 --> 00:50:51.079
would have had a bigger role. But he decided

00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:53.139
to stay here in Buffalo, and I think that's honestly

00:50:53.139 --> 00:50:55.980
great for this running back room. So you bring

00:50:55.980 --> 00:50:58.809
back the compliment of James Cook. Ty Johnson

00:50:58.809 --> 00:51:02.969
and Ray Davis, that mighty, mighty trio in that

00:51:02.969 --> 00:51:07.150
running back room. And it allows like a hundred

00:51:07.150 --> 00:51:09.469
percent continuity in the run game from last

00:51:09.469 --> 00:51:12.469
year to this year. I love the Ty Johnson signing,

00:51:12.590 --> 00:51:15.230
love the Reggie Gilliam signing. He was such

00:51:15.230 --> 00:51:17.869
a factor in the postseason for us when we were

00:51:17.869 --> 00:51:19.989
going up against bigger squads and had to get

00:51:19.989 --> 00:51:22.289
a little bit heavier. And Dalton Kincaid was

00:51:22.289 --> 00:51:24.820
such a liability in the run block game. Like,

00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:27.039
when you go back and watch the film, Gilliam

00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:30.360
was literally hero balling and saving James Cook

00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:32.940
from almost certain doom on so many plays in

00:51:32.940 --> 00:51:36.559
the postseason. Like, let's... He was throwing

00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.699
his body like a wrecking ball at incoming threats

00:51:39.699 --> 00:51:43.079
in such an incredible fashion. So lucky to have

00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:46.460
that guy. In a world where, like, the fullback

00:51:46.460 --> 00:51:50.000
position has been so incredibly devalued, when

00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.699
you have a good one... pay them the slightly

00:51:52.699 --> 00:51:54.980
above that minimum it takes to keep them, right?

00:51:54.980 --> 00:51:58.199
For as long as they... Seriously. Same as a long

00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:00.320
snapper, right? If you've got a good one, just

00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:02.039
whatever the going rate is for that position,

00:52:02.139 --> 00:52:03.320
because it's never going to break the bank, it's

00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:07.019
never going to be over 1%, you know, 0 .5 % of

00:52:07.019 --> 00:52:09.199
the cap. Yeah. Just pay it. Pay it for as long

00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:10.980
as they're good, and as long as their career

00:52:10.980 --> 00:52:14.960
is persisting, because that's so... I mean, it's

00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:16.639
such an important component, especially with

00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:19.679
this new offense under Joe Brady and the running

00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:23.280
focus. Absolutely. Absolutely. Jamar Hamlin,

00:52:23.579 --> 00:52:25.500
I think, is the one that's probably the most

00:52:25.500 --> 00:52:29.500
controversial amongst Bill's mafia. I get it.

00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:32.460
He knows the defense. He's had starting reps

00:52:32.460 --> 00:52:38.059
within the defense. And I do think his film was

00:52:38.059 --> 00:52:42.900
better than his low -light moments in the postseason,

00:52:42.900 --> 00:52:46.239
right, and in regular season games. He is the

00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:50.090
epitome of a stabilizer on that defense. He's

00:52:50.090 --> 00:52:51.849
not afraid to throw down on the run game if they

00:52:51.849 --> 00:52:56.989
need him to. He is serviceable as that rangy

00:52:56.989 --> 00:53:01.289
type of free safety role as well. And I think

00:53:01.289 --> 00:53:04.809
the contract is reasonable enough to where if

00:53:04.809 --> 00:53:08.050
they draft a Malachi -Starks and he outcompetes

00:53:08.050 --> 00:53:10.510
Hamlin, then Hamlin's a really good depth piece.

00:53:10.750 --> 00:53:14.190
And I think we tend to forget. he is a maven

00:53:14.190 --> 00:53:16.670
on special teams. So if that's the role he slides

00:53:16.670 --> 00:53:18.909
back into because he's no longer in a starting

00:53:18.909 --> 00:53:22.010
role, I think it bolsters a special teams unit

00:53:22.010 --> 00:53:25.610
that was really lacking last season. So I like

00:53:25.610 --> 00:53:28.250
it. And I think, listen, there's a lot of negativity

00:53:28.250 --> 00:53:30.550
around bringing him back for some reason. Dude

00:53:30.550 --> 00:53:33.570
was a sixth round pick and he is now in a second

00:53:33.570 --> 00:53:36.590
contract with the team. For one year, two million

00:53:36.590 --> 00:53:42.130
dollars. Right. This is another find. of a defensive

00:53:42.130 --> 00:53:45.269
back that the Bills have molded into their image,

00:53:45.750 --> 00:53:47.489
that they feel good about rolling out their rep

00:53:47.489 --> 00:53:49.369
to rep. He's got postseason experience, he's

00:53:49.369 --> 00:53:52.210
got starting experience. Like, you could do worse

00:53:52.210 --> 00:53:55.849
and you could pay more for a depth piece in a

00:53:55.849 --> 00:53:58.030
safety room that still needs to coalesce. So

00:53:58.030 --> 00:54:00.730
I'm okay with it. And on a team where, you know,

00:54:00.969 --> 00:54:03.289
culture is important and the spirit of the team

00:54:03.289 --> 00:54:05.849
is important, this dude has stepped beyond the

00:54:05.849 --> 00:54:08.789
veil. He knows what the afterlife holds for all

00:54:08.789 --> 00:54:16.730
of us. Like oh my god, we can't record this late

00:54:16.730 --> 00:54:19.690
anymore. What are you doing? He died and came

00:54:19.690 --> 00:54:22.329
back to life for this team. He's the defensive

00:54:22.329 --> 00:54:24.670
secondary Jesus. That's all I'm gonna say. We

00:54:24.670 --> 00:54:27.170
can move on. Oh my god. Oh my god. There's one

00:54:27.170 --> 00:54:28.670
I want to talk about that you didn't mention.

00:54:28.809 --> 00:54:31.010
Okay. And I want to play six degrees separate

00:54:31.010 --> 00:54:35.469
of Kevin Bacon with it because it's Darrington

00:54:35.469 --> 00:54:40.300
Evans, right? So brought him back and You know,

00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:41.900
technically it would be the fourth running back

00:54:41.900 --> 00:54:43.980
in the room, but really they value him in his

00:54:43.980 --> 00:54:47.840
return capabilities. And I'm fine with them kind

00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:49.539
of hedging their bets in the return game because

00:54:49.539 --> 00:54:52.039
you've got Codrington, now you've got Evans that's

00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.239
got some of that efficacy to his game as well.

00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:58.039
But for me, I'm really on Daquan Hardy watch

00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:01.880
now. And I know that Hardy, for him to come off

00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:05.480
of the practice squad and get a 53 -man roster

00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:09.289
spot in camp this year, has to flash. is a special

00:55:09.289 --> 00:55:12.349
teams returner. He just has to. He's got to up

00:55:12.349 --> 00:55:15.090
the juice in his return game and his return skills.

00:55:15.550 --> 00:55:18.329
And if he's available to, if he's able to do

00:55:18.329 --> 00:55:21.150
that, I think we bring not just a great depth

00:55:21.150 --> 00:55:24.289
piece in the cornerback room, but a true backup

00:55:24.289 --> 00:55:27.510
nickel to Taron Johnson who Johnson is amazing,

00:55:27.730 --> 00:55:29.690
but he's also been banged up at times. And then

00:55:29.690 --> 00:55:31.789
we're trying to piece together that nickel position.

00:55:32.429 --> 00:55:35.610
Hardy to me is a true nickel backup with some

00:55:35.610 --> 00:55:37.750
outside efficacy if we really want to go there.

00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:40.659
But I think it's a great hedge, should Johnson,

00:55:40.860 --> 00:55:43.840
as he continues to age, miss a game here, a quarter

00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:47.019
there, a couple of games here. But that job got

00:55:47.019 --> 00:55:50.159
harder with Evans being re -signed, so he's got

00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:52.800
to displace Codrington in the cornerback room.

00:55:52.989 --> 00:55:54.510
And then he's got to do the same thing with Evans

00:55:54.510 --> 00:55:56.730
in the return game, too. But I'm on Dequan Hardy

00:55:56.730 --> 00:55:59.570
watch as a result of that now. Well, I love what

00:55:59.570 --> 00:56:02.110
I saw from Dequan Hardy in the preseason for

00:56:02.110 --> 00:56:04.369
the Bills. And I think that maybe its potential

00:56:04.369 --> 00:56:06.670
without prepping for a draft, without prepping

00:56:06.670 --> 00:56:09.110
for the combine, without any of that going on,

00:56:09.170 --> 00:56:12.289
that he could take a step forward this offseason

00:56:12.289 --> 00:56:16.909
and make a case to replace, you know, Jamarcus

00:56:16.909 --> 00:56:21.349
Ingram or Kam Lewis in those kind of third, fourth,

00:56:21.449 --> 00:56:24.719
fifth. Safety slash slash DB positions because

00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:26.980
I think and I really like both of those players

00:56:26.980 --> 00:56:29.659
But I think that you're always looking for upside

00:56:29.659 --> 00:56:31.780
and daquan hardy could could have up because

00:56:31.780 --> 00:56:33.719
he definitely has an athletic profile It's a

00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:35.639
little bit better when it comes to pure speed

00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:38.079
than either of them I've gotten into a lot of

00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:41.199
arguments on social media about daquan hardy

00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:43.420
and his potential ability to play on the outside

00:56:43.690 --> 00:56:45.929
I always use the Trent McDuffie comp, and I get

00:56:45.929 --> 00:56:49.309
McDuffie is like one of one in his decision group.

00:56:49.610 --> 00:56:51.869
Top 25 pick, yeah. He's the guy we wish we had

00:56:51.869 --> 00:56:55.070
as opposed to Kyer, Elam, right? We all know

00:56:55.070 --> 00:56:58.650
it now. Who, as we, you know, he was traded to,

00:56:58.670 --> 00:57:00.389
where was he traded to? Dallas. Dallas, that's

00:57:00.389 --> 00:57:03.030
right. And in some miracle, I mean, I don't know

00:57:03.030 --> 00:57:05.510
how Bean pulls this off. He gets a fifth, was

00:57:05.510 --> 00:57:07.840
it a fifth pack? Got a fifth. He had a fifth

00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:09.940
back, he had to give away a seventh, right? Gave

00:57:09.940 --> 00:57:12.179
away a seventh, but got a fifth back as a result

00:57:12.179 --> 00:57:14.760
of the deal. Just being doing bean things, right?

00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:17.199
That's amazing. It really is an amazing return,

00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:20.559
right? Given where it was so clear the Bills

00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:22.820
did not want to put Elam out there anymore. Well,

00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:25.519
Elam's career trajectory, and he's still young

00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:29.079
and seems like he's a reasonably good dude. I

00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:31.199
hope the best for him that this is a refreshing

00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:37.480
start. He's a CB who doesn't... Doesn't play

00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:39.679
special teams like isn't good at special teams

00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:43.139
which if you're not and Hasn't shown that he's

00:57:43.139 --> 00:57:45.500
good enough to also hold down a secure a starting

00:57:45.500 --> 00:57:48.179
role or be better than a fourth best CB on the

00:57:48.179 --> 00:57:51.440
team With the bills so and it's not like the

00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:54.179
bills are loaded with premier talents on the

00:57:54.179 --> 00:57:56.960
on the roster at at cornerback so for him not

00:57:56.960 --> 00:57:59.500
to crack the starting lineup doesn't offer anything

00:57:59.500 --> 00:58:01.719
in special teams and being to get back a middle

00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:05.010
-round pick for him is just I don't even know.

00:58:05.030 --> 00:58:06.989
It's wild. It's just wild. And a middle -round

00:58:06.989 --> 00:58:09.969
pick this year, too, that he can potentially

00:58:09.969 --> 00:58:12.250
use to package up and hop back into the third

00:58:12.250 --> 00:58:16.030
round, too. The Bills are sneaky close to being

00:58:16.030 --> 00:58:21.449
able to have four top 100 draft picks, being

00:58:21.449 --> 00:58:24.730
Places cards, right? So, JJ, there's one more

00:58:24.730 --> 00:58:26.489
extension we should talk about before we get

00:58:26.489 --> 00:58:27.909
to the fresh faces. Yes, saving the best for

00:58:27.909 --> 00:58:34.179
last. Yes. MVP17. Joshua Patrick Allen signs

00:58:34.179 --> 00:58:37.219
a monster extension with the Bills that is, of

00:58:37.219 --> 00:58:40.440
course, going to age beautifully. And we got

00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:44.000
a really candid moment from Josh. I think it

00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:47.500
was today in an interview that he did for Buffalo

00:58:47.500 --> 00:58:50.300
Bill's media, where he talked about the nature

00:58:50.300 --> 00:58:52.960
of the negotiations, what he was hoping for out

00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:55.739
of an extension. And I got to tell you, if you

00:58:55.739 --> 00:58:58.380
didn't love Josh Allen as a Bills fan before

00:58:58.380 --> 00:59:00.940
listening to that interview, There is no way.

00:59:00.980 --> 00:59:03.300
You don't have a heart if you don't love that

00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:05.960
dude after that interview. He talked about not

00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:08.500
wanting to put the screws to the franchise, wanting

00:59:08.500 --> 00:59:10.920
to make sure that the franchise had maximum cap

00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:16.380
flexibility, and then so many fans feel alienated

00:59:16.380 --> 00:59:19.579
by rooting for millionaires that are like paid

00:59:19.579 --> 00:59:22.039
for by billionaires in the NFL. Like, we all

00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:23.719
kind of square that circle to root for these

00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:26.760
guys. But Josh gave the most everyman answer

00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:31.360
when he was asked about why he didn't feel like

00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:33.119
he needed to go for more money. And he's like,

00:59:33.460 --> 00:59:35.320
at this stage in my life, and I'm ad -libbing,

00:59:35.420 --> 00:59:37.400
but he's like, at this stage in my life, there's

00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:40.440
nothing I can't do already that another $5 million

00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:43.840
would allow me to do, right? And then followed

00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:45.599
up with, like, the most wholesome thing ever

00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:47.920
by saying, like, I got a house. I got a car.

00:59:48.019 --> 00:59:50.159
I'm doing fine. I'm good. I'm getting married.

00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:54.000
I got an MVP. I'm good, man. Yeah. So just, again,

00:59:54.619 --> 00:59:57.800
the right Josh absolutely validated, again, not

00:59:57.800 --> 00:59:59.940
just by his performance on the field this season

00:59:59.940 --> 01:00:02.579
and the MVP and the accolades, but just by the

01:00:02.579 --> 01:00:05.400
fact that he has stepped up into this leadership

01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.099
role. He is defining the culture of the team

01:00:08.099 --> 01:00:11.760
with his humility, with his desire to win. And

01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:14.829
it... The bet that the Bills made on him in the

01:00:14.829 --> 01:00:17.349
draft has obviously played off, but the bet that

01:00:17.349 --> 01:00:20.389
they made on him at the beginning of last offseason

01:00:20.389 --> 01:00:22.630
where they jettisoned a lot of that veteran talent

01:00:22.630 --> 01:00:25.530
to reset the cap clock for themselves, that has

01:00:25.530 --> 01:00:28.670
also paid off. He has stepped up as a leader

01:00:28.670 --> 01:00:32.570
of men in that clubhouse, and again, the Bills

01:00:32.570 --> 01:00:34.309
couldn't be happier, I would imagine, with how

01:00:34.309 --> 01:00:37.070
he has performed both on and off the field. Yeah,

01:00:37.250 --> 01:00:40.250
absolutely. And I think that, you know, it's

01:00:40.250 --> 01:00:42.570
really... It's funny because people often talk

01:00:42.570 --> 01:00:45.869
about, oh, the best franchise quarterbacks will

01:00:45.869 --> 01:00:49.190
hold the team's needs above their own and give

01:00:49.190 --> 01:00:51.869
hometown discounts, because they know that if

01:00:51.869 --> 01:00:53.510
they don't, they're not going to have somebody

01:00:53.510 --> 01:00:55.190
walking for them. They're not going to have somebody

01:00:55.190 --> 01:00:58.190
to throw to, right? And that narrative is out

01:00:58.190 --> 01:00:59.690
there, and people always bring up Tom Brady.

01:01:00.130 --> 01:01:01.929
But then it turns out that Tom Brady might have

01:01:01.929 --> 01:01:04.929
been getting back alley deals from the Patriots

01:01:04.929 --> 01:01:07.050
for tens of millions of dollars the whole time

01:01:07.050 --> 01:01:10.940
he was there. So they were supplementing his

01:01:10.940 --> 01:01:14.900
income by paying TB12, his separate incorporated

01:01:14.900 --> 01:01:19.420
brand, which is like, it just, something I love,

01:01:19.699 --> 01:01:21.800
which is tarnishing that legacy, just like it

01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:23.480
continues to do that. Patriot way. Yeah, exactly.

01:01:23.780 --> 01:01:26.880
Starting LLC. Hey, if it was now, if Brady was

01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:28.719
still playing, he would just start a meme coin,

01:01:28.820 --> 01:01:31.099
right? And he'd tell the Patriots to just invest

01:01:31.099 --> 01:01:32.599
in it. Sell the Patriots meme coin, yeah. So,

01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:36.300
but yeah, no, Josh Allen, standup guy, high character

01:01:36.300 --> 01:01:39.030
it seems, and everything right. betting on him

01:01:39.030 --> 01:01:40.829
and then giving him that opportunity to lead.

01:01:41.710 --> 01:01:45.250
And now they were also able to add some other

01:01:45.250 --> 01:01:49.289
pieces, some small, modest pieces. Floor raisers.

01:01:49.409 --> 01:01:52.829
Yeah, floor raisers. Yep. Just trying to back,

01:01:52.909 --> 01:01:55.150
I'd say, I'd consider this trying to backstop

01:01:55.150 --> 01:01:57.610
the roster against the draft class, right? Yep.

01:01:57.789 --> 01:02:00.070
Trying to make sure that there are bodies in

01:02:00.070 --> 01:02:03.429
place that they, that have, have reasonable experience

01:02:03.429 --> 01:02:06.260
in the league. in case one of the first three

01:02:06.260 --> 01:02:07.679
picks in the draft that they might want to put

01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:09.840
in a starting role is not ready for that position.

01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:12.340
Correct. Yep. And that's what Bean does. He doesn't

01:02:12.340 --> 01:02:15.099
like to go into the draft with a glaring need.

01:02:15.300 --> 01:02:18.039
And to me, he's done it twice. He did it last

01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:21.000
season when he clearly needed a wide receiver

01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:25.000
and maybe overthought it with Kian Coleman trading

01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:26.719
back twice and all that other kind of stuff.

01:02:26.900 --> 01:02:29.159
And he did it in the Kyra Elam year as well,

01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:31.019
where there was everyone and their brother knew

01:02:31.019 --> 01:02:33.420
the Bills were going to target a cornerback.

01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:35.719
And we saw how that turned out well, too. Listen,

01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:38.780
Bean is not perfect. He's done some great things

01:02:38.780 --> 01:02:40.719
on the draft. He's done some not so great things

01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:44.260
on the draft. The Elim year and even how things

01:02:44.260 --> 01:02:46.099
may be played out last year, even though Coleman

01:02:46.099 --> 01:02:49.079
is still a work in progress. When Bean is backed

01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:51.139
into a corner where teams know what he's going

01:02:51.139 --> 01:02:53.719
to do, he just gets a little galaxy brained.

01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:56.559
He's always in a better spot when he can go BPA.

01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:59.019
And that is what this offseason free agent class

01:02:59.019 --> 01:03:01.719
has been about. Filling holes so they can go

01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:04.860
BPA. wherever it is they may draft, right? So

01:03:04.860 --> 01:03:06.699
where do you wanna start? You wanna go in in

01:03:06.699 --> 01:03:08.880
like chronological order with the first guy they

01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:12.559
signed and go on up? Yeah, absolutely. So bring

01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:16.539
us in. All right, so first signing, the big splash

01:03:16.539 --> 01:03:20.440
of day one and free agency, Joshua Palmer. Joshua

01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:22.920
Palmer. Yes, 25 year old wide receiver getting

01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:25.599
about 13 million over three, over the course

01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:31.449
of three years on AAV per year. He is a wide

01:03:31.449 --> 01:03:35.789
receiver JJ that I believe there is some debate

01:03:35.789 --> 01:03:39.590
on his separation ability His metrics against

01:03:39.590 --> 01:03:42.630
man are okay when it comes to separation He's

01:03:42.630 --> 01:03:45.670
got a nice route release and every now and then

01:03:45.670 --> 01:03:48.670
he will catch a DB sleeping and he will release

01:03:48.670 --> 01:03:51.289
for a long ball very very well He's not a burner.

01:03:51.670 --> 01:03:55.110
He has not the speed element that the bills sorely

01:03:55.110 --> 01:03:57.889
need in this wide receiver room But to me, it

01:03:57.889 --> 01:03:59.650
was a clear signal they were not going to re

01:03:59.650 --> 01:04:02.650
-sign Amari Cooper, unless it was for the absolute

01:04:02.650 --> 01:04:05.150
right amount. He had the same separation values,

01:04:05.269 --> 01:04:07.690
according to Next Gen stats, as Amari Cooper,

01:04:08.050 --> 01:04:10.969
with a little bit more juice in the long release

01:04:10.969 --> 01:04:13.949
game. So he's not going to run by guys, but he's

01:04:13.949 --> 01:04:15.789
going to run some nice routes every now and then.

01:04:16.309 --> 01:04:19.070
And if the Bills find themselves in man coverage,

01:04:19.909 --> 01:04:23.969
Josh just eats man apart. And he is another target

01:04:23.969 --> 01:04:27.340
for Josh to go to. So backstops the roster against

01:04:27.340 --> 01:04:31.340
what seems like eminent loss of Amari Cooper.

01:04:32.900 --> 01:04:36.179
And surprising value on the contract. I think

01:04:36.179 --> 01:04:38.380
it could go up to like $15 million a year in

01:04:38.380 --> 01:04:42.780
incentives for Palmer. But I mean, at the end

01:04:42.780 --> 01:04:44.300
of the day, this is just where the wide receiver

01:04:44.300 --> 01:04:46.420
market is. It's broken. $13 million for this

01:04:46.420 --> 01:04:48.760
guy. You're betting on upside. Yeah. Well, and

01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:50.820
it feels like, I mean, that's almost the same

01:04:50.820 --> 01:04:52.820
deal that Curtis Samuel is playing under, too.

01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:55.329
It's just wild. It's in the same ballpark. And

01:04:55.329 --> 01:04:57.510
that's the kind of money you have to pay for

01:04:57.510 --> 01:04:59.710
somebody who's a third or fourth wide receiver

01:04:59.710 --> 01:05:02.889
on a team these days. And I think that the thing,

01:05:03.070 --> 01:05:05.090
you mentioned it before, the thing that the Bills

01:05:05.090 --> 01:05:07.409
have seemed to have done in free agency after

01:05:07.409 --> 01:05:10.210
resigning their own is really just betting on

01:05:10.210 --> 01:05:14.190
upside. And again, trying to bring in players

01:05:14.190 --> 01:05:16.429
that they think are better than the players that

01:05:16.429 --> 01:05:18.809
they had last year without any huge splashes.

01:05:18.989 --> 01:05:21.030
So Joshua Palmer is definitely betting on upside.

01:05:21.570 --> 01:05:24.309
They're saying with... And I mean, he was playing

01:05:24.309 --> 01:05:28.510
with Justin, like, I think it was his name. Herbert.

01:05:28.869 --> 01:05:31.389
Herbert, yeah. He was playing with Herbert, who

01:05:31.389 --> 01:05:34.110
is a very good quarterback, but I don't know

01:05:34.110 --> 01:05:35.849
that Herbert is a better quarterback than Josh

01:05:35.849 --> 01:05:40.409
Allen. So seeing what Joshua Palmer can unlock,

01:05:40.969 --> 01:05:44.750
not playing behind Keenan Allen and Quinton,

01:05:44.829 --> 01:05:47.000
they were trying to... proved that Quinton Johnston

01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:49.679
was a good pick. Lad McConkie was their darling

01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:51.480
in this draft. His plan behind Mike Williams

01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:54.199
a couple years ago. He was sort of stuck in this

01:05:54.199 --> 01:05:56.280
position where he couldn't necessarily get reps.

01:05:56.699 --> 01:06:01.179
And so in this offense, he is already top three

01:06:01.179 --> 01:06:04.199
wide receiving targets. Which is why, that's

01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:06.920
a little concerning to think about, right? Because

01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:08.019
you don't know what you're going to get out of

01:06:08.019 --> 01:06:10.880
Samuel. And when you look at his separation metrics

01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:13.679
in zone, against zone, which the Bills see a

01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:20.880
ton of, right? He's kind of a lane clogger with

01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:23.719
Curtis Samuel, right? He's actually got worse

01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:26.400
zone separation metrics than Shakir and Samuel.

01:06:26.820 --> 01:06:29.559
So really, they're gonna prioritize them when

01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:32.420
they think they're gonna get man looks. So it's

01:06:32.420 --> 01:06:34.860
a lot of money for a guy who might net you three

01:06:34.860 --> 01:06:36.719
20 -hour touchdowns this season. I don't know.

01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:38.760
I didn't love it. I didn't love it on day one.

01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:40.760
The Bills saw more man coverage than any team

01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:43.099
in the league last year, though. Yeah, which

01:06:43.099 --> 01:06:46.599
is true. didn't believe in the Bills wide receiver

01:06:46.599 --> 01:06:48.920
core, or that the wide receiver core had anyone

01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:51.199
that could beat them, and that was proven right

01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:55.179
in a lot of cases, but the Bills also set franchise

01:06:55.179 --> 01:06:57.400
records for scoring, so we'll see. Right, and

01:06:57.400 --> 01:06:59.239
Josh Allen had his best season against a man

01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:01.760
that he's had in a while, right? And when we

01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:04.139
say teams play a lot of zone against the Bills,

01:07:04.260 --> 01:07:08.820
it's still 50 % like zone, and then most teams

01:07:08.820 --> 01:07:10.340
on the high end. Play zone most of the time.

01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:12.460
Right, play zone most of the time. The exceptions

01:07:12.460 --> 01:07:14.980
are. I think the exceptions were the Lions last

01:07:14.980 --> 01:07:17.920
season, the Vikings last season as well. Jaguars

01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:21.659
played almost exclusively man. Right. And Josh

01:07:21.659 --> 01:07:24.139
torched them in week three. Yeah. I mean, very

01:07:24.139 --> 01:07:27.019
few teams are playing 50 % or more in man. Most

01:07:27.019 --> 01:07:28.500
teams are playing the majority of their steps

01:07:28.500 --> 01:07:30.840
in South, so yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that was the

01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:33.739
first one. And then I think Michael Hoyt was

01:07:33.739 --> 01:07:38.920
next. Yeah. How? Yeah. So I will tell you. Here's

01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:42.909
what I want to do with this one. Yeah. So here's

01:07:42.909 --> 01:07:44.670
what I wanna do though, because listen, there

01:07:44.670 --> 01:07:49.230
are a lot of Bills media members and podcasters

01:07:49.230 --> 01:07:52.090
smarter than us that absolutely love this. To

01:07:52.090 --> 01:07:55.190
me, this is the KC Two Hill signing of this year,

01:07:55.369 --> 01:07:58.369
right? You're betting on athletic traits, but

01:07:58.369 --> 01:08:02.849
the Bills have never had success taking a positionless

01:08:02.849 --> 01:08:05.409
player and making him work in this defensive

01:08:05.409 --> 01:08:08.210
scheme. They just haven't, right? But I'll tell

01:08:08.210 --> 01:08:10.630
you where it does make sense, and it makes sense

01:08:10.630 --> 01:08:12.889
when you couple it with the BOSA signing that

01:08:12.889 --> 01:08:14.230
I don't want to step on because I know we're

01:08:14.230 --> 01:08:16.010
getting to it next, right? Because that's like

01:08:16.010 --> 01:08:19.270
a big move so far this offseason, right? But

01:08:19.270 --> 01:08:23.390
when you look at what Hoyt's advanced analytics

01:08:23.390 --> 01:08:27.649
were in the run game, when you look at, when

01:08:27.649 --> 01:08:30.569
you pair that with what we know Rousseau can

01:08:30.569 --> 01:08:33.130
do in the run game, and what Eponeza has done

01:08:33.130 --> 01:08:36.350
against the run game before, it makes sense in

01:08:36.350 --> 01:08:38.829
that you don't actually need to put Joey Bosa

01:08:38.829 --> 01:08:41.829
out there in situations where it's an obvious

01:08:41.829 --> 01:08:44.850
run situation. You can lean into him and keep

01:08:44.850 --> 01:08:47.989
him healthy and keep him fresh, hopefully, during

01:08:47.989 --> 01:08:51.149
the course of the season by using him in pure

01:08:51.149 --> 01:08:54.510
pass -through situations. Bosa's got juice in

01:08:54.510 --> 01:08:57.369
the run -stopping game. He's actually above average

01:08:57.369 --> 01:08:59.930
when it comes to that in a lot of metrics. But

01:08:59.930 --> 01:09:03.130
Hoyt is gonna be like your run eater. I think

01:09:03.130 --> 01:09:05.689
a lot of us are hoping because of his RAS score,

01:09:05.850 --> 01:09:08.630
he's gonna be that positionless chess piece that

01:09:08.630 --> 01:09:12.930
McDermott had when he was the DC for Carolina.

01:09:13.649 --> 01:09:15.529
But they've brought guys like this in before

01:09:15.529 --> 01:09:18.289
and they haven't maximized them. So I look at

01:09:18.289 --> 01:09:21.810
this as he's gonna play on the edge in rundowns,

01:09:21.989 --> 01:09:24.470
he's gonna flip inside in the NASCAR package

01:09:24.470 --> 01:09:27.770
and probably play next to Bosa sometimes in obvious

01:09:27.770 --> 01:09:29.869
pass for situations and that's really it. I'm

01:09:29.869 --> 01:09:32.579
like, eh, I'm okay. Like, prove me wrong, but

01:09:32.579 --> 01:09:34.380
they've never taken a guy like this, and they've

01:09:34.380 --> 01:09:37.239
never fit him into this game well. Yeah, I think

01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:40.739
that's fair, and I think, you know, I will say

01:09:40.739 --> 01:09:43.340
the one time that they did make somebody like

01:09:43.340 --> 01:09:46.560
this really, like, show out was Lorenzo Alexander,

01:09:46.819 --> 01:09:49.039
but that wasn't this coaching staff. That wasn't

01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:51.680
the staff, that's right. No, that was the last

01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:53.579
time that they've had a player like that, who,

01:09:53.899 --> 01:09:56.239
like, and it's funny because I'd heard somebody

01:09:56.239 --> 01:09:59.670
else talk about their path to the NFL. Michael

01:09:59.670 --> 01:10:02.970
Hoyt also started as a lineman, dropped like

01:10:02.970 --> 01:10:05.989
60 pounds and became an outside linebacker. Yeah,

01:10:06.029 --> 01:10:08.770
he played at 310 at his highest weight. And so

01:10:08.770 --> 01:10:11.789
it's an interesting kind of parallel because

01:10:11.789 --> 01:10:14.609
I think Bill's Mafia really remembers from the

01:10:14.609 --> 01:10:17.829
few of the drought years, Zo being like a revelation

01:10:17.829 --> 01:10:21.710
getting like 13 or 14 sacks in a year in that

01:10:21.710 --> 01:10:26.180
kind of designated pass rushers style. Hoyt offers

01:10:26.180 --> 01:10:29.460
a little bit more as a run -stopper, and I watched

01:10:29.460 --> 01:10:34.279
his... So I watched a bunch of his snaps in the

01:10:34.279 --> 01:10:37.340
past two seasons. Two seasons ago, he played

01:10:37.340 --> 01:10:39.880
all 17 games. They had injuries, and he started...

01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:42.739
I think he started for BOSA, right? Yeah. No,

01:10:42.739 --> 01:10:44.500
no, no. He played on the Rams. Oh, he played

01:10:44.500 --> 01:10:48.399
on the Rams. So he started for one of their premier

01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:50.680
pass rushers who went down. They got so hurt

01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:52.239
over the course of the last couple years, yeah.

01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:54.880
So... Anyway, he got a lot of starting snaps

01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:59.859
and watching him play Reminded me of so many

01:10:59.859 --> 01:11:02.300
I think Bill's fans are really gonna like him

01:11:02.300 --> 01:11:04.920
I think he's a likable player to watch because

01:11:04.920 --> 01:11:09.000
he is like the try -hard Tougher path to the

01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:11.539
league has to has always had to work for everything

01:11:11.539 --> 01:11:13.600
like if you like Josh Allen story you're like

01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:18.279
Michael Hoyt story I just don't think he's that

01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:21.619
much of an impact player and spending eight million

01:11:21.619 --> 01:11:27.779
per year Like for me, Michael Hoyt or AJ Appaneza,

01:11:28.220 --> 01:11:31.060
one of the two of them might be released next

01:11:31.060 --> 01:11:34.699
off -season to just get out of under the money.

01:11:34.819 --> 01:11:37.359
Because if they don't show up and really have

01:11:37.359 --> 01:11:40.039
good seasons. Right. I agree. I think it's a

01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:42.619
great bet, again, on upside. And that's just

01:11:42.619 --> 01:11:45.000
where the bills are right now. They have fortified

01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:48.659
the edge room. It's just... Again, we don't need

01:11:48.659 --> 01:11:50.420
to beat the Stead Horse, right? Like, where's

01:11:50.420 --> 01:11:52.779
Casey Twohill now? Not on the Bills, right? And

01:11:52.779 --> 01:11:55.000
this is what the signing was. Where's Von Miller?

01:11:55.260 --> 01:11:58.020
Gone. We were all talking about it the same time

01:11:58.020 --> 01:12:00.579
last year, Casey Twohill's RAS scores. Oh, the

01:12:00.579 --> 01:12:02.420
Bills, they finally got an athlete, blah, blah,

01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:04.739
blah. What are we doing with White? Oh, love

01:12:04.739 --> 01:12:07.159
his tape, look at his RAS score. It tried hard.

01:12:07.460 --> 01:12:10.140
Yeah, really cool. I would love to be wrong about

01:12:10.140 --> 01:12:13.159
this, and I think we need to be wrong about this

01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:14.960
because the bills don't have a lot of margin

01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:17.439
for error with the line. I hope we're wrong because

01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:20.319
we've been right too often, and it's been bad.

01:12:20.779 --> 01:12:23.760
Remember Trent Murphy? Oh, his R .E .S. Yeah.

01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:27.050
Oh my God, yeah. Can we... Can we, can we just

01:12:27.050 --> 01:12:31.029
please get a 370 pound Nose Tackle next to that

01:12:31.029 --> 01:12:32.850
Oliver? Can we just have this thing? Let's do

01:12:32.850 --> 01:12:34.850
something differently this time, please. Seriously,

01:12:35.010 --> 01:12:39.670
Jesus God. Speaking of nose tackles, or tackles

01:12:39.670 --> 01:12:43.569
rather, Larry Oganjoby. Sorry, Dwayne Carter.

01:12:44.010 --> 01:12:47.029
You're out. You're off the island. Yeah. It's

01:12:47.029 --> 01:12:49.270
not looking good for Dwayne Carter. It also wasn't

01:12:49.270 --> 01:12:51.449
looking good for Larry Ogunjobi last season.

01:12:51.550 --> 01:12:54.710
He did a pretty poor season across the board.

01:12:54.770 --> 01:12:58.930
He did. He was an absolute liability in run defense,

01:12:59.050 --> 01:13:02.270
and he also offered absolutely nothing in pass

01:13:02.270 --> 01:13:04.970
rush. So here's where I'm a little bit more high

01:13:04.970 --> 01:13:08.010
on him. In Pittsburgh, I'm pretty sure they play

01:13:08.010 --> 01:13:10.869
a 3 -4, right? We do. And we saw this happen

01:13:10.869 --> 01:13:13.109
with Daquan Jones the first season he came over

01:13:13.109 --> 01:13:15.649
from Tennessee, where that defense was a multi

01:13:15.649 --> 01:13:18.329
-gap assignment. And in Buffalo, they pretty

01:13:18.329 --> 01:13:20.329
much give you a gap to focus on on the D -line,

01:13:20.390 --> 01:13:24.869
right? I think this is gonna be the same case

01:13:24.869 --> 01:13:28.029
here, where Ogunjobi is gonna be able to focus

01:13:28.029 --> 01:13:31.630
on a gap and assignment and not have to worry

01:13:31.630 --> 01:13:34.470
about covering so much space on the defensive

01:13:34.470 --> 01:13:36.800
line. and I think that's gonna get the best out

01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:39.100
of him in this scheme as a rotational piece.

01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:43.020
Okay. Yeah, I mean, I don't have a lot of hope

01:13:43.020 --> 01:13:46.380
that this is a good signing. Can't be any worse

01:13:46.380 --> 01:13:48.159
than Dwayne Carter. He put out some bad film.

01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:50.680
He put out some bad film last year. He was on

01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:54.600
the ground like every snap. It was pitiful. Blown

01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:58.340
off the ball. Oh my God. Can we just both agree

01:13:58.340 --> 01:14:01.800
that if the Bills don't use one of their top...

01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:04.880
first two picks on somebody who's like over 320

01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:09.420
pounds that we will jump on the fire bean train.

01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:13.340
I will say this, we have learned nothing if we

01:14:13.340 --> 01:14:16.279
don't use a pick on a giant human to put next

01:14:16.279 --> 01:14:19.800
to an Oliver. And that player needs to play 70

01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:23.140
% of the snaps. It just has to be the case. We

01:14:23.140 --> 01:14:26.920
have to modernize this. Let's put a bunch of

01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:30.500
below average athletes out there for half the

01:14:30.500 --> 01:14:33.449
snaps. of a game is just not, that's not the

01:14:33.449 --> 01:14:35.649
answer. And they're smaller than all the guys

01:14:35.649 --> 01:14:37.590
they're going up against? Yeah, especially with

01:14:37.590 --> 01:14:40.390
the league moving towards teams being more run

01:14:40.390 --> 01:14:43.989
heavy. It is not, oh my gosh. That is the thing

01:14:43.989 --> 01:14:46.710
about this, the construction of the team and

01:14:46.710 --> 01:14:48.529
Sean McDermott's defense that has frustrated

01:14:48.529 --> 01:14:51.930
me the most, is like every other NFL team in

01:14:51.930 --> 01:14:54.130
the league, including the Chiefs, understands

01:14:54.130 --> 01:14:57.529
that your rotation of your defensive line should

01:14:57.529 --> 01:15:01.170
be a 70 -30 or 80 -20 situation. Chris Jones

01:15:01.170 --> 01:15:03.710
does not sit out for more snaps than is absolutely

01:15:03.710 --> 01:15:06.390
critical for him to not collapse from exhaustion.

01:15:06.890 --> 01:15:08.529
Because the guy you're bringing in for Chris

01:15:08.529 --> 01:15:11.310
Jones is not as good as Chris Jones. I mean,

01:15:11.510 --> 01:15:13.390
that's the thing. That's the thing is you cannot

01:15:13.390 --> 01:15:18.989
have two waves of players at an elite game -changing

01:15:18.989 --> 01:15:21.630
caliber. So what you then do is you're diluting

01:15:21.630 --> 01:15:25.109
the pool by overpaying for moderately above average

01:15:25.109 --> 01:15:30.020
athletes. And therefore, in those big moments,

01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:32.819
nobody's changing the game. And then you just

01:15:32.819 --> 01:15:35.779
watch them fail miserably over and over again

01:15:35.779 --> 01:15:39.460
against the Chiefs. Yeah. Listen, this feels

01:15:39.460 --> 01:15:43.020
like a copy and paste blueprint from a lot of

01:15:43.020 --> 01:15:45.060
off seasons we've seen from the Bills before.

01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:50.359
I think they are, though, clearly showcasing

01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:52.039
to us what their plan is gonna be in the draft.

01:15:52.140 --> 01:15:54.890
And I think DT... I think interior defensive

01:15:54.890 --> 01:15:57.609
linemen is going to be a top priority. And I

01:15:57.609 --> 01:15:59.890
actually do think, especially with this extra

01:15:59.890 --> 01:16:01.970
fifth -round pick they've got rolling, I think

01:16:01.970 --> 01:16:03.409
they're going to trade up to get the guy they

01:16:03.409 --> 01:16:05.909
want. And I think it's Kenneth Grant. So I think

01:16:05.909 --> 01:16:10.529
they want to spin on that guy. I would be so

01:16:10.529 --> 01:16:12.569
elated if that was the answer. You're going to

01:16:12.569 --> 01:16:14.470
need to get up into the teens to get Kenneth

01:16:14.470 --> 01:16:16.729
Grant. Do it. They've got the capital to do it.

01:16:17.090 --> 01:16:19.939
And what the hell are we waiting for? Trade a

01:16:19.939 --> 01:16:22.319
two next year if you want to, if somebody doesn't

01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:24.899
need anything in the fifth round this year. Do

01:16:24.899 --> 01:16:30.779
what you gotta do. No, I was just gonna say,

01:16:31.220 --> 01:16:33.899
speaking of needs, I think that we should also,

01:16:34.060 --> 01:16:36.840
unless something changes, we should pay attention

01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:39.600
to cornerback in this draft. Gotta happen. Because

01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:41.939
they've gotta find somebody. You don't trade

01:16:41.939 --> 01:16:44.720
away Kyriellum and not re -sign Russell Douglas

01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:47.039
and not sign any of the other players that are

01:16:47.039 --> 01:16:50.770
out there. The field is very shallow at this

01:16:50.770 --> 01:16:53.409
point. It is. I mean, you're talking about reclamation

01:16:53.409 --> 01:16:55.729
projects. Like, there's a Jeff Okuda out there

01:16:55.729 --> 01:16:58.069
who I'd actually love to see Okuda and his skill

01:16:58.069 --> 01:17:01.390
set in our system. There's all this talk, like,

01:17:01.449 --> 01:17:03.770
I feel like there is every off -season. We're

01:17:03.770 --> 01:17:05.510
reading the tea leaves on the coaching hires.

01:17:05.729 --> 01:17:08.170
Oh, this guy knows man. This guy teaches man.

01:17:08.470 --> 01:17:10.909
We're going to play more man, right? Yeah, we

01:17:10.909 --> 01:17:12.989
probably by necessity need to play more man,

01:17:13.310 --> 01:17:16.029
but... this Buffalo Bills unit and they're telling

01:17:16.029 --> 01:17:18.310
you this by the defensive line acquisitions they've

01:17:18.310 --> 01:17:20.649
made. Like they really want to play nickel and

01:17:20.649 --> 01:17:23.529
they really want to play too high zone. So, and

01:17:23.529 --> 01:17:26.310
they're never going to be a 50 % or more man

01:17:26.310 --> 01:17:29.329
outfit. So a guy like Jeff Acuta can come in

01:17:29.329 --> 01:17:32.989
and he can adapt to his own scheme. Jair Alexander,

01:17:33.090 --> 01:17:35.430
he's been beat up. He's kind of a pain in the

01:17:35.430 --> 01:17:38.489
butt, but like that dude can play and if he gets

01:17:38.489 --> 01:17:41.220
released... Could see him as a one -year rehab

01:17:41.220 --> 01:17:43.539
contract that really works out well for the bills,

01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:45.220
too So I'm keeping an eye on a couple of these

01:17:45.220 --> 01:17:48.000
things in the cornerback market But I love some

01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:50.539
of these studs in the I love yeah in the draft.

01:17:50.539 --> 01:17:52.720
There are some really exciting players in the

01:17:52.720 --> 01:17:56.000
draft. Yeah That's gonna be good Siobhan Ravel

01:17:56.000 --> 01:17:59.380
from East Carolina. Hey if he's healthy He meant

01:17:59.380 --> 01:18:02.159
it right? Yeah, he looks solid a couple of Kentucky

01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:04.619
guys that I really like like I mean and they're

01:18:04.619 --> 01:18:08.149
fast this whole DB class was just fast. Yeah,

01:18:08.229 --> 01:18:10.989
that's what the Bills need. Yes, but if we pick

01:18:10.989 --> 01:18:14.989
a guy who's got great character traits but runs

01:18:14.989 --> 01:18:17.210
a four or five, I'm gonna lose my mind. We need

01:18:17.210 --> 01:18:18.989
speed in the back end for the love of God. Dan,

01:18:19.270 --> 01:18:20.970
no, we're gonna just trust. People were running

01:18:20.970 --> 01:18:23.630
away from Razul Douglas for half of the season

01:18:23.630 --> 01:18:26.590
last year. Oh, we can run mesh because Razul

01:18:26.590 --> 01:18:29.050
can't keep up with us anymore. Let's do that.

01:18:30.670 --> 01:18:32.590
Listen, Dan, trust the process. We're gonna get

01:18:32.590 --> 01:18:35.710
a bunch of undersized, middle -tier, great character

01:18:35.710 --> 01:18:38.090
guys on the defensive line, and we're gonna back

01:18:38.090 --> 01:18:40.829
them up with a bunch of subpar athletes who get

01:18:40.829 --> 01:18:43.130
absolutely torched in critical moments. If you

01:18:43.130 --> 01:18:45.470
are listening to this podcast for the very first

01:18:45.470 --> 01:18:47.869
time, I promise you we're Bills fans. We like

01:18:47.869 --> 01:18:51.289
the Bills. We love the Bills. We bleed for this

01:18:51.289 --> 01:18:54.409
team. We love this squad. We have just been doing

01:18:54.409 --> 01:18:57.109
this now for five years, but it feels like 50.

01:18:57.310 --> 01:18:59.850
because we have these same exact conversations.

01:18:59.869 --> 01:19:03.409
Because we're so close. Yes. At the end of every

01:19:03.409 --> 01:19:05.529
off -season, we have these same conversations

01:19:05.529 --> 01:19:08.069
because the playoff run ends the same way every

01:19:08.069 --> 01:19:10.470
time, and the way it ends, we do not address

01:19:10.470 --> 01:19:12.529
in the following off -season. That's exactly

01:19:12.529 --> 01:19:15.609
it. And so, yeah, they always abrides me and

01:19:15.609 --> 01:19:18.109
never abride Buffalo Bills, and we love them.

01:19:18.350 --> 01:19:20.430
We do. We love this team. Guys, we love this

01:19:20.430 --> 01:19:22.270
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01:19:24.930 --> 01:19:27.689
We just want fast people, fast humans. Big humans,

01:19:27.810 --> 01:19:30.409
fast humans on the squad. Speaking of big and

01:19:30.409 --> 01:19:32.369
fast, let's talk about the next one. Let's talk

01:19:32.369 --> 01:19:37.409
about Joey Bosa. I hate this pick. Oh, I'm actually

01:19:37.409 --> 01:19:40.390
okay with this. Go ahead. No, I'll say this.

01:19:40.810 --> 01:19:46.180
I think... This is a half measure when what you

01:19:46.180 --> 01:19:49.479
really needed was to pry away Trey Hendrickson.

01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:53.479
After Max Crosby and Myles Garrett moved themselves

01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:56.119
off the table, I think what you needed to do

01:19:56.119 --> 01:20:00.260
was make a hard run at Trey Hendrickson because

01:20:00.260 --> 01:20:02.560
I don't think Cincinnati has still not resigned

01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:04.779
him at this point, I don't think. And their asking

01:20:04.779 --> 01:20:06.979
price has gone up to a first round pick. They

01:20:06.979 --> 01:20:09.960
want multiple picks, including a guaranteed first

01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:13.079
round for him. And if you bring in Hendricks,

01:20:13.260 --> 01:20:16.359
you've got to pay him. You've got to pay Hendricks.

01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:20.500
And he has seen what Crosby has got, he has seen

01:20:20.500 --> 01:20:23.279
what Garrett has got, and I think objectively

01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:25.220
you could argue he's not either one of those

01:20:25.220 --> 01:20:27.000
two players, but he has been the league leader

01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:30.550
in sacks for the past two seasons. What he does

01:20:30.550 --> 01:20:33.550
provide is reasonable enough that he is a game

01:20:33.550 --> 01:20:36.829
-changing talent. And that is the move. So Joey

01:20:36.829 --> 01:20:39.310
Bosa, to me, it's more a disappointment that

01:20:39.310 --> 01:20:44.789
they didn't make a more substantial move. But

01:20:44.789 --> 01:20:48.229
the actual move itself is not terrible. Like,

01:20:48.270 --> 01:20:50.989
you know, there are worse. Like, I think there

01:20:50.989 --> 01:20:54.810
are edge rushers. Hassan reddick there are edge

01:20:54.810 --> 01:20:57.090
rushers in this league that I would have been

01:20:57.090 --> 01:20:58.949
more disappointed if they did a half measure

01:20:58.949 --> 01:21:02.130
to sign Because I think Joey Bosa is a good player

01:21:02.130 --> 01:21:04.930
went healthy. That's the big asterix though He

01:21:04.930 --> 01:21:07.170
hasn't had more than what he's had hasn't had

01:21:07.170 --> 01:21:09.329
a single season in the last five years where

01:21:09.329 --> 01:21:12.170
he hasn't missed at least 2021 was his last I

01:21:12.170 --> 01:21:14.529
think healthy season I think he missed like the

01:21:14.529 --> 01:21:16.390
final game of that year because it was like playoff

01:21:16.390 --> 01:21:18.050
rest or something I can only miss three games

01:21:18.050 --> 01:21:21.810
last season with a hip injury, but Even that

01:21:21.810 --> 01:21:23.829
he missed he only missed three games. It's still

01:21:23.829 --> 01:21:26.949
only had six sacks So I mean his his pressure

01:21:26.949 --> 01:21:30.529
rate is good It's he's like he's still a starting

01:21:30.529 --> 01:21:34.210
caliber edge his pressure rate QB hit rate all

01:21:34.210 --> 01:21:36.670
that kind of stuff from last season was still

01:21:36.670 --> 01:21:39.810
in the top 30s, right? So there are 32 teams

01:21:39.810 --> 01:21:42.850
in the NFL. He's still a starting caliber edge.

01:21:43.149 --> 01:21:45.750
He'd be starting for somebody I think he's got

01:21:45.750 --> 01:21:49.420
more juice in the run defense game than people

01:21:49.420 --> 01:21:53.100
give him credit for. And I think the way the

01:21:53.100 --> 01:21:55.659
Bills are building out this defensive line, he's

01:21:55.659 --> 01:21:58.260
really just gonna be a one -year mercenary. He's

01:21:58.260 --> 01:22:00.539
gonna come in and he's gonna be a pass rush specialist.

01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:03.779
We should keep him fresh, keep him healthy. And

01:22:03.779 --> 01:22:06.079
then for the down, the down and dirty downs,

01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:08.479
I think we're gonna see guys like Hoyt, we're

01:22:08.479 --> 01:22:10.640
gonna see Rousseau out there, obviously Oliver

01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:13.319
out there. We're just gonna see a different machination

01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:15.619
or a different formation for this defensive line.

01:22:15.859 --> 01:22:17.560
But when it's Bose time, they're gonna run him

01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:20.340
out there. And I wouldn't be surprised if he

01:22:20.340 --> 01:22:22.939
is now the new Von Miller in the NASCAR package

01:22:22.939 --> 01:22:24.840
where he flipped Rousseau inside. So you got

01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:29.380
Rousseau and Bosa overloading the same side of

01:22:29.380 --> 01:22:32.220
the offensive line. That gets me a little bit

01:22:32.220 --> 01:22:34.979
excited in past situations, so we'll see. Sure,

01:22:35.060 --> 01:22:39.539
yeah. And I think for me, the Joey Bosa thing

01:22:39.539 --> 01:22:42.359
hinges, if this isn't a cool, this is an excellent

01:22:42.359 --> 01:22:44.439
gamble. If we're talking this time next year

01:22:44.439 --> 01:22:46.859
about the Bills' incredible successes in the

01:22:46.859 --> 01:22:50.609
season, it's going to be because of two factors.

01:22:50.789 --> 01:22:53.529
One, the Bills fix the interior of the defensive

01:22:53.529 --> 01:22:58.829
line and get somebody who's a playmaker large

01:22:58.829 --> 01:23:00.609
defensive tackle next to Ed Oliver, because I

01:23:00.609 --> 01:23:06.350
think Ed Oliver is a playmaking defensive tackle

01:23:06.350 --> 01:23:08.930
only when he's not double teamed. And sometimes

01:23:08.930 --> 01:23:11.550
when he is double teamed, but we need somebody

01:23:11.550 --> 01:23:14.149
that the opposing team cannot afford to not double

01:23:14.149 --> 01:23:16.659
team. That's what has to happen at the other

01:23:16.659 --> 01:23:20.140
defensive one technique. If they solve that in

01:23:20.140 --> 01:23:21.899
a reasonable way, I'm guessing through the draft,

01:23:23.020 --> 01:23:25.979
and Joey Bosa and Greg Russo both have healthy

01:23:25.979 --> 01:23:28.359
seasons, we're going to be talking about how

01:23:28.359 --> 01:23:30.600
this was such a great investment and how this

01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:32.859
was such a great gamble. It's a one -year dart

01:23:32.859 --> 01:23:35.560
throw. I'll take it. Yep. Yeah, for sure. All

01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:38.359
right. Who do you want to talk about next? I

01:23:38.359 --> 01:23:41.640
mean. Do we want to just bundle them up? Yeah,

01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:43.600
Derek Forrest and Loviska Chanal, those are the

01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:46.220
last two, I think. So I'm excited for Forrest.

01:23:46.420 --> 01:23:48.359
Chanal is somebody who we actually identified

01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:50.359
two years ago as someone we want to see on the

01:23:50.359 --> 01:23:53.359
team. A speedy, kind of gadget -y guy. Yep, he's

01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:56.140
definitely a gadget -y guy. I don't think Curtis

01:23:56.140 --> 01:23:58.359
Samuel needs to worry about his job, but you

01:23:58.359 --> 01:24:01.420
know, Chanal could fill that role as a practice

01:24:01.420 --> 01:24:03.800
squad elevation at some point if, for whatever

01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:06.680
reason, he doesn't make the team and Samuel gets

01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:08.779
hurt again, right? you don't lose that skill

01:24:08.779 --> 01:24:13.220
set if Samuel goes out. Forrest, I actually,

01:24:13.220 --> 01:24:15.420
I know a lot of Washington Commanders fans in

01:24:15.420 --> 01:24:18.000
my life. They love this dude. They're like, he's

01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:22.659
a gamer, he's really athletic, like great in

01:24:22.659 --> 01:24:26.520
the community, but like has amazing on the field

01:24:26.520 --> 01:24:30.199
traits. So he, I've seen like a lot of cynical

01:24:30.199 --> 01:24:32.100
Bill's Mafia being like, oh, the Mike Edwards

01:24:32.100 --> 01:24:35.079
signing of this year, but I think he's a great

01:24:35.079 --> 01:24:38.649
hedge. If Cole Bishop, is not ready to go at

01:24:38.649 --> 01:24:41.029
the start of training camp as your plug -and

01:24:41.029 --> 01:24:43.329
-play starter at one of the safety positions.

01:24:44.090 --> 01:24:46.409
Forrest has the same athletic profile. I mean,

01:24:46.590 --> 01:24:48.069
Cole Bishop is younger and he's a little bit

01:24:48.069 --> 01:24:50.970
of an athletic freak, but you're not losing a

01:24:50.970 --> 01:24:54.550
whole lot in the athletic range area with Forrest.

01:24:54.789 --> 01:24:56.529
And so I think that's a hedge against Cole Bishop

01:24:56.529 --> 01:24:58.710
if Bishop is just not ready and they don't want

01:24:58.710 --> 01:25:02.010
to rush him into play. So I'm okay with it. They're

01:25:02.010 --> 01:25:03.930
hedging their bets. They're filling holes, right?

01:25:04.270 --> 01:25:08.010
Well, and I'll say this, just I have not watched

01:25:08.010 --> 01:25:11.229
a full all 22 game of Derek Forrest's, any of

01:25:11.229 --> 01:25:13.569
his 74 snaps last season. He did not play a lot.

01:25:13.609 --> 01:25:16.010
I think he was mostly a special teams contributor

01:25:16.010 --> 01:25:18.229
type. A very sound tackler, which we definitely

01:25:18.229 --> 01:25:20.369
need in that secondary. So I haven't watched

01:25:20.369 --> 01:25:23.310
much, but my thoughts after just briefly kind

01:25:23.310 --> 01:25:25.250
of reading about him and looking at some of his

01:25:25.250 --> 01:25:27.970
stats and accomplishments so far is that he could

01:25:27.970 --> 01:25:31.770
be... I'm a little bit more excited about this

01:25:31.770 --> 01:25:34.859
than a lot of these signings because He kind

01:25:34.859 --> 01:25:40.319
of plays to me like, um, like a Jordan Poyer

01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:43.000
early in his career. Cause Jordan Poyer was not

01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:46.619
a solid starter at Cleveland when the Bills picked

01:25:46.619 --> 01:25:49.140
him up. He was sort of a, like a, you know, a

01:25:49.140 --> 01:25:52.180
chess piece player here and there had some, uh,

01:25:52.180 --> 01:25:54.220
injury concerns his first couple of years in

01:25:54.220 --> 01:25:56.619
the league and then, uh, was on special teams

01:25:56.619 --> 01:25:59.420
quite about quite a bit. So him coming over to

01:25:59.420 --> 01:26:02.800
the Bills became all pro po. You know, I'm not

01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:05.130
saying not putting that on Mr. Derek Forrest,

01:26:05.229 --> 01:26:07.449
two R's in both Derek and Forrest, by the way,

01:26:07.489 --> 01:26:09.149
Bill's mafia, if you're trying to get this right,

01:26:09.350 --> 01:26:12.090
when you're texting your friends. Names are important.

01:26:13.130 --> 01:26:16.710
So Derek Forrest, he has like kind of athletic

01:26:16.710 --> 01:26:19.649
profile, is a dog in the run fits, you know?

01:26:19.869 --> 01:26:22.510
And so we'll see. It's the kind of thing where

01:26:22.510 --> 01:26:25.090
it's like a one year deal. It's not, I don't

01:26:25.090 --> 01:26:26.710
even know if the numbers have been released on

01:26:26.710 --> 01:26:29.810
it. So it's definitely not a blockbuster kind

01:26:29.810 --> 01:26:31.609
of signing, cause he's also not that kind of

01:26:31.609 --> 01:26:33.579
player. And so. You know, we'll, we'll see what

01:26:33.579 --> 01:26:35.899
it comes up with. I'm the same as you on Loviska

01:26:35.899 --> 01:26:39.140
Chanel. It's sort of like, maybe he ends up,

01:26:39.140 --> 01:26:41.359
you know, getting bumped onto the practice squad

01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:43.420
after training camp because he has bounced around

01:26:43.420 --> 01:26:45.340
the league to six or seven different teams and

01:26:45.340 --> 01:26:49.020
he's only 26 years old. He's like on everybody's,

01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:51.300
oh, the guy that could pop the seer list, right?

01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:54.039
And he just hasn't yet. But if there's a situation

01:26:54.039 --> 01:26:57.140
where he can, it is a Buffalo Bills offense where

01:26:57.140 --> 01:27:00.479
we are. We are targets agnostic, as Meena Combs

01:27:00.479 --> 01:27:02.579
likes to say in this offensive scheme. So if

01:27:02.579 --> 01:27:04.920
there's a place for someone like that to thrive,

01:27:05.020 --> 01:27:07.960
it's definitely going to be in Buffalo. Awesome,

01:27:08.079 --> 01:27:10.340
man. Shoot. I mean, I think we pretty well covered

01:27:10.340 --> 01:27:12.880
it. A little bit about the draft quick. We're

01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:15.859
going to be doing draft preview as we get closer

01:27:15.859 --> 01:27:19.560
to it. I know, JJ, you are probably like a baker's

01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:25.199
dozen deep into your mock drafts that you've

01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:27.600
got saved in the shared drive so far. Well, you

01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:30.260
know, okay, you know I have to stop. I have to,

01:27:30.260 --> 01:27:32.680
like, slow down mock drafting when I start doing,

01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:35.420
like, wild experiments. Like, most recently,

01:27:35.539 --> 01:27:39.520
one of my wild experiments was, can I get 10

01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:41.779
consecutive picks in the fourth round? Can I

01:27:41.779 --> 01:27:44.840
trade my way into 10 picks in a row and just

01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:48.579
clean out all of the talent that drops to that

01:27:48.579 --> 01:27:50.920
level of the draft in one go? Dude, you have

01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:55.760
a problem. You need help. Free agency's not even...

01:27:55.760 --> 01:27:59.000
Done. And mock drafts are never right. Never

01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:01.760
right. I do one mock draft. It's when we do it

01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:05.260
on the pod. It's not right. It's like what I

01:28:05.260 --> 01:28:07.380
do when I'm waiting for somebody to email me

01:28:07.380 --> 01:28:09.899
back at work. It's like, oh my gosh, I got to

01:28:09.899 --> 01:28:13.159
just do a quick mock draft. Lunch break on my

01:28:13.159 --> 01:28:17.619
phone, waiting for a kid to wake up from a nap,

01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:20.520
taking a walk, mock draft. I'm pretty sure you

01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:22.520
did two mock drafts on this pod while we were

01:28:22.520 --> 01:28:26.390
talking. Just one. Just one. There you go. There

01:28:26.390 --> 01:28:28.390
you go. But yeah, man, so we're gonna get into

01:28:28.390 --> 01:28:30.289
it We're gonna build we're actually building

01:28:30.289 --> 01:28:33.409
the first ever buffalo bread draft board, which

01:28:33.409 --> 01:28:35.930
is gonna be exciting this season five years in

01:28:35.930 --> 01:28:39.569
normally we just take like an aggregate of Other

01:28:39.569 --> 01:28:41.409
draft boards out there and we give our own thoughts

01:28:41.409 --> 01:28:43.390
to it But we're watching a ton of film a lot

01:28:43.390 --> 01:28:45.529
of combine stuff and we're gonna give put out

01:28:45.529 --> 01:28:48.460
our own top 100 here this season, which we're

01:28:48.460 --> 01:28:50.960
very excited about. Absolutely. We're going to

01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:53.260
continue to oversaturate the mock draft market

01:28:53.260 --> 01:28:56.319
as well, doing the Friends of the Pod, not Friends

01:28:56.319 --> 01:28:59.520
of the Bills, all AFC East mock draft as we get

01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:02.220
closer to draft time. So lots to come. Exciting

01:29:02.220 --> 01:29:05.020
to be back here. Buffalo Bills, 2025 offseason

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